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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:19:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:21:49pm

re: #1 gocart mozart

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Yeah just innocent dates and dances my Catholic ass.

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:21:51pm

re: #386 Backwoods_Sleuth

That school official has been fired:

ARLINGTON, Texas - Parents of students at The Oakridge School in Arlington woke up Monday to find their school in the national spotlight.

An administrator admitted to sending an expletive-filled Twitter message to Michael Avenatti, attorney for Stormy Daniels and one of Brett Kavanaugh’s accusers, according to an email to parents from the school.

Butch Groves, head of the upper school at The Oakridge School, has since been suspended indefinitely.

Or suspended indefinitely.

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Jay C  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:22:19pm

re: #1 gocart mozart

“…a practical and fair approach devoid of partisan purpose” ??

Brett Kavanaugh??

G
M
A
F
B
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retired cynic  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:24:18pm

Got an email from the Sierra Club that the greater Yellowstone grizzlies won back their Endangered Species protections in a Montana court ruling today. No hunting!

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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:26:06pm

I’m really beginning to suspect the reason Brett is so resistant to an FBI investigation is not because of the possibility that wrong-doing will be discovered, but that his false image as the picture of sobriety and Godliness would crumble the moment his high school and college buddies started facing questions from the FBI with the understanding that lying would mean criminal charges.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:27:53pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

Yeah just innocent dates and dances my Catholic ass.

And Catholic HS dances at that…… Yes sir! My Baptist Father wouldn’t hear of it. I made sure he didn’t.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:28:26pm
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freetoken  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:29:29pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

The problem is the S/N may be going down and any, and I mean any, false accusation will lead to the dismissal of all other claims.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:32:04pm

re: #7 Dave In Austin

And Catholic HS dances at that…… Yes sir! My Baptist Father wouldn’t hear of it. I made sure he didn’t.

My dad’s siblings all attended Catholic schools in the DMV a generation before Augh and his pals. Not as affluent but these definitely weren’t just kids going to Mass, playing sports, and going to dances.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:33:43pm

Kids these days have no idea of the hell we lived through.

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retired cynic  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:36:27pm

re: #11 goddamnedfrank

Kids these days have no idea of the hell we went through.

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Yeah, out here on the farm, before cell phones, that’s how we kept in touch with our crew. I had a base station. Hmmmm. Wonder where that thing went?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:36:47pm

Rachel Maddow seemed a bit uncomfortable with Avenatti.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:37:30pm
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dangerman  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:41:00pm

re: #4 Jay C

“…a practical and fair approach devoid of partisan purpose” ??

Brett Kavanaugh??

G
M
A
F
B
!!!!!!

Your very existence is partisan

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makeitstop  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:43:01pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

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That would put us smack in the middle of Wednesday afternoon/evening.

Maybe there won’t be a vote this week. Turtle might even have to keep the Senate in town so they can put out this next fire.

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retired cynic  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:44:47pm

re: #16 makeitstop

Don’t they have to pass a continuing resolution, or whatever it is, so that the government doesn’t stop dead?

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:45:26pm

re: #11 goddamnedfrank

Kids these days have no idea of the hell we lived through.

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KERA0855 was my parent’s call sign.

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MsJ  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:46:29pm

re: #6 Targetpractice

I’m really beginning to suspect the reason Brett is so resistant to an FBI investigation is not because of the possibility that wrong-doing will be discovered, but that his false image as the picture of sobriety and Godliness would crumble the moment his high school and college buddies started facing questions from the FBI with the understanding that lying would mean criminal charges.

Plus, he’s in debt up to his eyeballs. There’s money attached to this nomination and I’m sure it’s contingent upon selling his legal opinions.

Without confirmation, Kavy is fucked to the max.

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makeitstop  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:46:59pm

re: #17 retired cynic

Don’t they have to pass a continuing resolution, or whatever it is, so that the government doesn’t stop dead?

Yeah, they do. And then they have to hope Trump doesn’t refuse to sign it because there’s no money for his stupid wall in it.

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:48:45pm

My mom was one of those who made friends everywhere, including on the CB. We even drafted between two semis, in our big Dodge van, on a trip somewhere.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:48:54pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:52:26pm

Thinking of shutting down LGF archives before 2009, for lots of reasons but primarily because I’m no longer the angry yet politically naïve person who wrote those posts. And because they’re still getting traffic from the kind of sites I do NOT want traffic from.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:53:44pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Rachel Maddow seemed a bit uncomfortable with Avenatti.

Rightly wary is my take. The guy has a self aggrandizing streak that is off putting.

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retired cynic  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:54:52pm

re: #24 Unshaken Defiance

Rightly wary is my take. The guy has a self aggrandizing streak that is off putting.

Not her style.

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MsJ  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:54:58pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Thinking of shutting down LGF archives before 2009, for lots of reasons but primarily because I’m no longer the angry yet politically naïve person who wrote those posts. And because they’re still getting traffic from the kind of sites I do NOT want traffic from.

Be prepared for the HE’S A LIAR! HE PURGED EVERYTHING!!11!!!!

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retired cynic  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:55:27pm

re: #26 MsJ

Be prepared for the HE’S A LIAR! HE PURGED EVERYTHING!!11!!!!

Catch-22…

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MsJ  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:55:46pm

re: #27 retired cynic

Catch-22…

Pretty much.

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:56:33pm

re: #22 goddamnedfrank

And, I learned something new:

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:57:20pm

re: #26 MsJ

Be prepared for the HE’S A LIAR! HE PURGED EVERYTHING!!11!!!!

Actually, they already say that.

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jamesfirecat  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:57:34pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Thinking of shutting down LGF archives before 2009, for lots of reasons but primarily because I’m no longer the angry yet politically naïve person who wrote those posts. And because they’re still getting traffic from the kind of sites I do NOT want traffic from.

Me used to be angry young man
Me hiding me head in the sand
You gave me the word, I finally heard
I’m doing the best that I can…

Sorry it’s just your word choice pretty much instantly made me think of those lyrics.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:57:35pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:58:18pm

For DoRango fans, tonight they were playing Hide and Seek around the Tansy in the back yard.

According to the vet, Dory now weighs 7.5 lbs, or 0.1 Rangos.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:59:10pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:59:15pm

re: #18 Belafon

KERA0855 was my parent’s call sign.

I was KBOV2698. My dad loved me enough to put up an antenna at the high point of our roof to get good range. It was terrifying.

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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 6:59:47pm

re: #32 Single-handed sailor

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As was established earlier today, the only time Orrin Hatch thinks an investigation is called for in regards to allegations of sexual assault or physical abuse is when the accused has a (D) after their name.

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freetoken  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:03:05pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

I very rarely reference my earlier posts, but on occasion it is nice to look back.

Anyway to make the archive accessible to members only?

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MsJ  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:03:10pm

re: #33 Blind Frog Belly White

For DoRango fans, tonight they were playing Hide and Seek around the Tansy in the back yard.

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According to the vet, Dory now weighs 7.5 lbs, or 0.1 Rangos.

How big do you think she’ll get?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:03:18pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:04:45pm

re: #35 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I was KBOV2698. My dad loved me enough to put up an antenna at the high point of our roof to get good range. It was terrifying.

That is how I got over a fear of heights. Climbing a ladder on top of a roof, securing a half wave or quarter wave length antenna as high as we could over a chimney. I remember using an RF meter to tune the setups. And illegal amplifiers, foot warmers.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:04:51pm

re: #32 Single-handed sailor

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You don’t know shit Orrin. All you know is that Augh is your key to judicial supremacy long after you’re dead and that’s the only reason it matters that he’s confirmed to you. It doesn’t matter that he’s a judicial partisan, it doesn’t matter that he’s a perjurer, and now it doesn’t matter that he’s a fucking creep who if you were truly honest you’d want far away from your granddaughters but hey gotta keep the right wing zealots and their narrow interpretation of the Constitution happy, right?

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NetworkKed  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:05:23pm

I’ve lurked around here for a long time, Charles, but… 2009? What makes that the cutoff? I would have guessed a year before that or more. Particularly I have the vague memory of you voting Obama in 2008, though I admit I didn’t go back to look it up before posting here.

There’s some value in keeping the transition period. It’s interesting to go back in the Balloon Juice archives and watch Cole’s conversion around the Schiavo mess, but OTOH I can imagine the sort of hostile linking you’re talking about.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:05:31pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:05:57pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

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And this was someone they tried to use as a character testimony for him. This guy is one sleazy son of a bitch who has coasted by his entire life. If he weren’t a child of the Washington elite, he’d be just another creep.

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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:07:09pm

After tonight and the Faux “exclusive” interview, I’m gonna say the odds of Kavanaugh withdrawing have grown slimmer, but the odds of the Senate GOP voting down his nomination or pressuring Trump to withdraw it have gone up.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:07:16pm

TBH I thought the Republican Party had shown its low point. Nope they did it again. This is it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:07:53pm

re: #45 Targetpractice

After tonight and the Faux “exclusive” interview, I’m gonna say the odds of Kavanaugh withdrawing have grown slimmer, but the odds of the Senate GOP voting down his nomination or pressuring Trump to withdraw it have gone up.

He has so much in common with Trump. I guess it’s not a surprise that Trump has taken such a shine to him.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:10:14pm

re: #33 Blind Frog Belly White

For DoRango fans, tonight they were playing Hide and Seek around the Tansy in the back yard.

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According to the vet, Dory now weighs 7.5 lbs, or 0.1 Rangos.

How old is she In scaramuccis?

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:10:33pm

Is Ollie North a slimy creep or what.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:11:03pm
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dangerman  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:11:07pm

re: #32 Single-handed sailor

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My children are learning in elementary school to give reasons to support their arguments

Different rules for old white rich male senators who know it all

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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:12:27pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

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Gee, I can’t imagine why the Senate GOP wouldn’t want to hear from this guy…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:12:27pm

re: #49 jaunte

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Is Ollie North a slimy creep or what.

Funny Ollie, I never saw you using your dead comrades to say Justices Sotomayor and Kagan should be confirmed. Stop hiding behind dead men and shut the fuck up. You should be in jail and yet because the right wing in this country is so fucked up, not only are you revered as a hero in some circles, you got a job as the NRA’s President. Oh and Robb’s still got ya. My grandfather may not have been famous like you are Ollie but he served this country far more honorably than you ever did. All you cared about was protecting Reagan.

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calochortus  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:12:58pm

Being a political junky is beginning to be wearing. Maybe not beginning to be. Maybe has become full on exhausting.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:13:04pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

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Yeah? What about Professor Ford who got death threats? Judge is finally dealing with what he should have done when he got sober years ago. Guilt.

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ObserverArt  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:13:19pm

re: #46 HappyWarrior

TBH I thought the Republican Party had shown its low point. Nope they did it again. This is it.

They are just getting going on digging.

They will find new lows. With Trump the depth is unlimited.

Mitch the Miner. Trump the Tunneler. Together we go low!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:13:38pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

You don’t know shit Orrin. All you know is that Augh is your key to judicial supremacy long after you’re dead and that’s the only reason it matters that he’s confirmed to you. It doesn’t matter that he’s a judicial partisan, it doesn’t matter that he’s a perjurer, and now it doesn’t matter that he’s a fucking creep who if you were truly honest you’d want far away from your granddaughters but hey gotta keep the right wing zealots and their narrow interpretation of the Constitution happy, right?

So after they manage to set up their solid Opus Dei Supreme Court, how long before they come for the Mormons, Orrin?

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:14:40pm

re: #57 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

After the nonbelievers are eliminated, the violence really starts.

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freetoken  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:15:31pm

Just for giggles, here is one of my posts from 2009:

Would it surprise anyone here that Townhall ♥’s BNP, VB, etc?

From Blankley’s latest piece:

[…] Now, with last weekend’s election, we are beginning to see the breakout of such political impulses. Not all the parties are disreputable. I have met with Geert Wilders, who is a courageous, decent Dutch patriot. He only stepped up to the challenge when, in 2003, as a local official, he made the commonplace observation that Yasser Arafat was a “terrorist leader.” […]

The real winners are in the comments:

St. Denis In Obama’s Red America
Location: LA
Reply # 1
Date: Jun 10, 2009 - 7:26 PM EST
The EU Had Better Awaken PRONTO!

Bravo on the elections, but the EU had better get with the terror program, which we are moving away from […]

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RL
Location: FL
Reply # 2
Date: Jun 10, 2009 - 3:20 PM EST
Tea Party, Anyone?
Meanwhile, America is heading in the opposite direction.

[shout out to Kilgore!]
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Maximilian
Location: WA
Reply # 3
Date: Jun 10, 2009 - 2:26 PM EST
Congrats to Europe!
They learned from past mistakes as will we.

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18Wheeler
Location: CA
Reply # 4
Date: Jun 10, 2009 - 2:20 PM EST
Re: Wolfgang / Elections
Wolfgang writes: “…The current economic collapse also doesn’t hurt these parties. People are tired of being told who they have rub shoulders with….”
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CORRECT! In fact it’s these vermin who contribute to the problems of Western nations as they’re now an economic drain. As to whom we want as neighbors, Nations have a right to maintain their cultural and ethnic identity. This means if we dont want to be infested with Muslims, who aren’t part of our culture, we have the right to exclude them. And if they prove they’re a threat, as they now have, we have the right and responsibility to take more “Extreme” measurers.

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[BTW folks, I’m not cherry picking, I’m just going down the list of comments!]
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18Wheeler
Location: CA
Reply # 6
Date: Jun 10, 2009 - 11:16 AM EST
YES. TOMORROW BELONGS TO US!
That the BNP may be racist is of secondary importance to the more important issue; the greater threat to the world posed by the danger or Islam. There’s a Muslim saying, “Enemy of my enemy is my friend”: meaning sometimes strange alliances are necessary to achieve the more important objective and the greater good. The Western world is in an undeclared war with Islam. At stake is our very survival. So our most important objective for the security of the free world is the ultimate extermination of Muslims. So if we must, for the greater good, support political parties like the BNP or other neo-fascists to rid the world of dangerous vermin like Muslims, so be it. Desperate situations sometimes require desperate solutions. So YES. Tomorrow DOES belong to us; provided we find leaders with the courage to think the unthinkable.

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apppleblossom
Location: PA
Reply # 8
Date: Jun 10, 2009 - 8:53 AM EST
senses
Finally a few countries are coming to their senses. Please keep stressing that we here in America need to get back to our own senses. The stink is getting worse and we need to stop it, The BO smell is in need of deodorant and disinfectant then flushed.

[all emphases added.]

townhall.com is the home of the true “conservatives”, is it not?

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:15:49pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Actually, they already say that.

The only people who will care if you shut down the archives are the people who want to use that against you anyway, so who cares what they think.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:17:18pm

re: #57 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

So after they manage to set up their solid Opus Dei Supreme Court, how long before they come for the Mormons, Orrin?

It’s so weird. Opus Dei SCOTUS but with Fundies like Pence and others in the Exec. BTW I’m not sure if Roberts is OD. I know he’s Catholic but not sure if OD.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:18:03pm

Good rule of thumb for OD. If they”re a Catholic and have been seen at services for Catherine of Siena church, that’s a good bet. That’s how I knew Santorum while definitely reactionary isn’t OD.

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retired cynic  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:18:26pm

re: #59 freetoken

eek

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:19:13pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

It’s so weird. Opus Dei SCOTUS but with Fundies like Pence and others in the Exec. BTW I’m not sure if Roberts is OD. I know he’s Catholic but not sure if OD.

My bad, I just use that as a general term, like “Holy Roller” on the Protestant side, whether they actually are or not….

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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:19:45pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:19:56pm

re: #64 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

My bad, I just use that as a general term, like “Holy Roller” on the Protestant side, whether they actually are or not….

Yeah. Not all conservative Catholics are OD but a lot of prominent ones are.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:20:52pm
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Dave In Austin  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:22:36pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

I managed to get them “Bleach” over the weekend. Weird but you were right. His Spiritual Energy gave him a big sword…….. LOL!!

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:25:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:26:52pm

re: #69 jaunte

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Can’t argue with that. Kavanaugh has a very carefully constructed image going into his SCOTUS nomination. It’s turned out to be a facade.

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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:28:24pm
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:29:06pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

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“Recovering alcoholic under stress”

The excuse fix is in, for when the media finally discovers Judge’s youtube and flickr accounts on Wednesday or so.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:31:51pm

H/t to Balloon Juice:

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:32:14pm

I very much look forward to this film’s release.

Ski areas were all over the place back in the day in Colorado. Little local hills popped up all over the place post WWII. Then the ski industry consolidated and all those little mom & pop ski areas went out of business.

ABANDONED: Official Trailer

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:33:13pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

This Kav Augh stuff is bringing a lot of my wife’s stories out; she grew up in Memphis and North Mississippi; Bible Belt central, and she has many, many memories of shithead youth ministers, girls basketball coaches, deacons, local photographers who were big on going to Sunday School to check out the younger girls. She told her mother about a lot of them, and her mother refused to believe her own daughter, preferring the facade.
I’m pretty sure her experience is shared by millions and millions of women.

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ObserverArt  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:33:14pm

A reworking of some famous words from previous political history.

“Until this moment, Republican Senators, I think I never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness.”

“Let us not assassinate these ladies further, senators. You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency?”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:34:50pm

re: #38 MsJ

How big do you think she’ll get?

Vet thinks a maximum of 25#, but at 17 weeks, may not have much more time to grow.

re: #48 I Would Prefer Not To

How old is she In scaramuccis?

12.2 Scaramuccis.

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austin_blue  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:37:49pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Thinking of shutting down LGF archives before 2009, for lots of reasons but primarily because I’m no longer the angry yet politically naïve person who wrote those posts. And because they’re still getting traffic from the kind of sites I do NOT want traffic from.

Put ‘em behind a Registered Lizard Wall, and screen for new Lizard sign-ups based on previous IP’s.

History is history, and what went on back then is a relevant reflection of your political evolution.

It’s your site of course, this is just a suggestion. But there’s a whole bunch of us old-time Lizards who deeply admire your metamorphosis into an science-loving, fascist-hating realist-based, thinking Blogmaster.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:38:01pm

re: #75 jaunte

This Kav Augh stuff is bringing a lot of my wife’s stories out; she grew up in Memphis and North Mississippi; Bible Belt central, and she has many, many memories of shithead youth ministers, girls basketball coaches, deacons, local photographers who were big on going to Sunday School to check out the younger girls. She told her mother about a lot of them, and her mother refused to believe her own daughter, preferring the facade.
I’m pretty sure her experience is shared by millions and millions of women.

A lot of people keep stuff like that in knowing there’s judgmental assholes out there eager to judge everything that led to that day.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:39:12pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

But just imagine: if your own parents don’t believe you, who would you feel comfortable making a report to?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:40:52pm

re: #80 jaunte

But just imagine: if your own parents don’t believe you, who would you feel comfortable making a report to?

Exactly. That’s why I completely understand why young men and women keep sexual abuse quiet. All the second guesses piss me off.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:42:50pm

“I was a virgin” is the self pitying bleat of an insecure defeated and guilty man.

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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:43:35pm
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Schweppes7  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:43:37pm

Lol at this typo in soon to be deleted Trump tweet complaining of “false acquisitions” against Kavanaugh.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:44:46pm

re: #84 Schweppes7

Lol at this typo in soon to be deleted Trump tweet complaining of “false acquisitions” against Kavanaugh.

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You wanted to execute five people who were cleared of a crime. You wanted to put HRC in jail. You only like Kavanaugh because he’ll protect your sorry ass and you both are two sick sons of bitches.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:45:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:45:05pm

And it’s not just “Democrats” that are saying that Kavanaugh is a sleazebucket.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:45:16pm

re: #84 Schweppes7

You can take the real estate asshole out of Queens, but you can’t take the real estate out of the asshole.

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sagehen  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:45:20pm

pretty good article in Oct Vanity Fair, about Jaclyn Corin
vanityfair.com
Meet the Ultra-Organized Teenager Masterminding Parkland’s Midterms Push

In its effort to make gun control a priority for midterm voters, MFOL has mobilized on two fronts: inspiring a massive following, and then building a network across thousands of high schools and colleges to drive young people to the polls. The first half was widely publicized—Emma alone has 1.6 million Twitter followers. But while she, David, and several others light up the Internet, Jackie tackles the logistics. Movements are born from hope, but they are built brick by brick. That’s Jackie’s department. If these kids rock the vote on Election Day, Jackie Corin will be a crucial reason why.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:46:05pm
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ObserverArt  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:46:29pm

Donald Fucking Trump does not get to use “the likes of which have never been seen before.”

He owns the record and it may never be topped.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:46:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:47:10pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

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Oh we do remember. That’s why your candidates and your Congressional Majority are going down quicker than the pee went on your bed in Moscow.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:49:09pm

re: #84 Schweppes7

Lol at this typo in soon to be deleted Trump tweet complaining of “false acquisitions” against Kavanaugh.

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Such a dumb man. He’s supposed to be the President of the entire country but you wouldn’t tell that from the way he communicates.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:50:11pm

re: #92 jaunte

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Jeckyl and Hyde. I guess it’s a little easy for me to see why people are so adamant in defending him but still.

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:50:41pm

re: #91 ObserverArt

Donald Fucking Trump does not get to use “the likes of which have never been seen before.”

He owns the record and it may never be topped.

Any sentence like that can only be used when hunting for wormsign.

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:51:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:51:34pm

I’m NOT defending him btw. Fuck Kavanaugh and the people defending him becaues they’re completely dismissing people like Roche, Ramirez, and Ford as “liars” out to get a “good man.”

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Schweppes7  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:51:40pm

re: #84 Schweppes7

And here is the corrected tweet, keeping the dumb meaningless capitalization in “False Accusations….”

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:52:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:52:51pm

re: #99 Schweppes7

And here is the corrected tweet, keeping the dumb meaningless capitalization in “False Accusations….”

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Greatest Supreme Court Justices Ever? LOL. Oh please. Can you name any SCOTUS judge other than Gorsuch and maybe Scalia because you got told so many times that you needed to get a Scalia clone to replace him.

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ObserverArt  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:55:29pm

re: #92 jaunte

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What’s that burnt smell?

That letter from a guy is going to be real hard to explain by the women-blaming Republicans.

Oh, but they will try.

What does everyone think?

Will there even be a hearing on Thursday?

I’m thinking it is getting iffy. As iffy as Brett’s nomination.

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calochortus  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:57:50pm

re: #102 ObserverArt

I can believe that Kavanaugh won’t willing withdraw. All the same, I wonder if there’s some behind the scenes vetting of a couple other candidates going on as we speak. Or would that show too much organization and foresight for the current administration?

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Jenner7  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:58:30pm

Hey, all!

My Dad is doing well. Hasn’t had one episode since leaving hospital. Follow up doctor revealed he’d lost 14 pounds!

It’s pretty damn hard to take care of two disabled parents, their home, meals, husband issues, and two kids to raise. I feel insane most of the time.

But, whaddya gonna do?

Thanks for listening. Hope all is well with you all.

This morning was crazy, wasn’t it? Media flubbed up big time.

It’s only going to get worse, isn’t it?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:58:33pm

re: #103 calochortus

I can believe that Kavanaugh won’t willing withdraw. All the same, I wonder if there’s some behind the scenes vetting of a couple other candidates going on as we speak. Or would that show too much organization and foresight for the current administration?

The latter. I don’t think they have a plan B in time for November.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 24, 2018 • 7:59:02pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:00:07pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:00:48pm

Yeah, it’s already been done a thousand times. Still…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:01:21pm

re: #107 Charles Johnson

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Good. He deserves that shit.

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austin_blue  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:02:16pm

re: #107 Charles Johnson

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Ted Cruz should be chased out of any building into which he walks.

(Notice what I did there?)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:02:39pm

Cruz is the one that believes you should get denied service if you’re gay. Karma.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:04:35pm

Pyro break.
What a jeweler sees in his shop when making your custom gold….

Inspiration comes from within and without
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:06:13pm

I personally don’t believe anyone should be denied service unless they’re causing a disruption but I really have no sympathy for a hack like Cruz who does the shit he does and thinks he should be just ignored by the public.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:09:22pm

re: #107 Charles Johnson

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:09:51pm

Hello, everyone! I’m just back from three weeks vacationing in Europe — did anything happen while I was gone?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:11:26pm
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calochortus  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:11:29pm

re: #115 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Hello, everyone! I’m just back from three weeks vacationing in Europe — did anything happen while I was gone?

Don’t worry. You didn’t miss much.
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:11:54pm

re: #116 Charles Johnson

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Exactly. Where are we supposed to confront them?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:12:02pm

re: #3 Belafon

That school official has been fired:

Or suspended indefinitely.

Never goes out of style because every f’n single day…

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:12:06pm

re: #115 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Hello, everyone! I’m just back from three weeks vacationing in Europe — did anything happen while I was gone?

It was chaos when you left, and that hasn’t changed.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:12:27pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

I personally don’t believe anyone should be denied service unless they’re causing a disruption but I really have no sympathy for a hack like Cruz who does the shit he does and thinks he should be just ignored by the public.

I do. All of these fucksticks need to be completely shunned by polite society until they finally get the message that Republicanism is not acceptable, not any more.

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:12:35pm

re: #119 Joe Bacon 🌹

Never goes out of style because every f’n single day…

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About an hour from my house.

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:13:32pm

re: #115 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Hello, everyone! I’m just back from three weeks vacationing in Europe — did anything happen while I was gone?

Giphy

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:13:42pm

re: #121 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I do. All of these fucksticks need to be completely shunned by polite society until they finally get the message that Republicanism is not acceptable, not any more.

I hear ya. Just saying in an ideal world. But fuck Ted Cruz. He’s made people who bully LGBT couples into martyrs.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:14:58pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:15:37pm

Personally don’t fucking champion people like Kim Davis and then act shocked that people in the city that you repeatedly use as a cheap political punching bag won’t let you enjoy your night out. I feel a little bad for Heidi admittingly but not at all Ted.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:18:01pm

re: #75 jaunte

This Kav Augh stuff is bringing a lot of my wife’s stories out; she grew up in Memphis and North Mississippi; Bible Belt central, and she has many, many memories of shithead youth ministers, girls basketball coaches, deacons, local photographers who were big on going to Sunday School to check out the younger girls. She told her mother about a lot of them, and her mother refused to believe her own daughter, preferring the facade.
I’m pretty sure her experience is shared by millions and millions of women.

It wasn’t just the Bible Belt. Same thing went on with Mom’s church in Western PA.

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makeitstop  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:20:41pm

There’s a lot riding on Kavanaugh’s confirmation, for a lot of people.

Somebody picked up Kavanaugh’s tab and wiped out hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt and put him in a million dollar home. And I agree with whoever said earlier that Kavanaugh’s part of the bargain is his vote. Whoever is Sugar Daddying Kavanaugh wants him in.

Evangelicals have explicitly threatened to stay home for the midterms if Kavanaugh is not confirmed, which would make an election where the GOP’s prospects are pretty bad already even worse. Congress wants him it at all costs.

Trump sees Kavanaugh as a weird kind of kindred spirit, a bond built on sexual assault. He’ll go to bat for this asshole because he’s Trump’s kind of asshole. Trump wants him in because he’ll see it as some weird vindication for his own fuckups.

They’re ride or die at this point, and Kavanaugh will get his up or down vote. But by the time that vote rolls around - and if Avenatti’s witness is as explosive as he’s hyping it to be, that Friday vote won’t happen - Kavanaugh may end up being so toxic that McConnell won’t be able to wrangle the votes.

And if they do end up bulling it through in the face of multiple accusers, they’re dead meat in the midterms. I have to wonder how loyal some senators will be once their job is on the line.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:20:41pm

All that Jim Crow stuff was the consequence of not having an equal rights law to go with emancipation. Sex abuse is a result of not having the ERA. You sometimes build culture on law. Especially hard change.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:20:58pm

Andrea Grimes

“…there is a terrifying logic at work when a man says to another man, Let’s see what we can do to this woman, together. It is eminently reasonable, in the most literal sense of the word, to deduce that two men claiming “we didn’t” is better than one saying “I didn’t.” It is objectively more effective, if your goal is to exert your power over a woman — and that is the purpose of sexual assault — to enlist the help of a friend in doing so.”
texasobserver.org

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:22:41pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:23:04pm
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Single-handed sailor  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:25:22pm
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austin_blue  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:27:20pm

re: #115 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Hello, everyone! I’m just back from three weeks vacationing in Europe — did anything happen while I was gone?

Not really, kind of like when Obama was President. Just three weeks of competence and a steady running of the country and its economy. Boring, actually.

Bwahawhawhaw!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:27:54pm

re: #128 makeitstop

….Somebody picked up Kavanaugh’s tab and wiped out hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt and put him in a million dollar home. And I agree with whoever said earlier that Kavanaugh’s part of the bargain is his vote. Whoever is Sugar Daddying Kavanaugh wants him in….

Does anybody think that the same couldn’t be said about all of the top handful of candidates on that Heritage Foundation list? They’ve been planning on replacing several Justices during tRump’s two terms (Assuming the 2024 election isn’t canceled—with the acquiescence of the Supreme Court.). Gotta keep ‘em on the hook.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:31:25pm

re: #133 Single-handed sailor

Kavanaugh angling for support from the incel community

But his name is literally “Brett”. Aren’t “Brett and Stacey” their nemeses?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:32:05pm

re: #135 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Does anybody think that the same couldn’t be said about all of the top handful of candidates on that Heritage Foundation list? They’ve been planning on replacing several Justices during tRump’s two terms (Assuming the 2024 election isn’t canceled—with the acquiescence of the Supreme Court.). Gotta keep ‘em on the hook.

I dunno but someone seems to really want Augh on SCOTUS.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:32:42pm

re: #29 Belafon

Ballet and the martial arts are based on one thing: balance. In my opinion.

It’s a good philosophy for life as well.

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plansbandc  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:33:34pm

re: #123 teleskiguy

Perfect, Charlie.

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sagehen  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:35:21pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

The latter. I don’t think they have a plan B in time for November.

But I believe they have a plan B for the lame duck session. Especially if the D’s pick up a few senate seats; then “let the voters decide” will be some quaint thing we imagined McConnell having once said but he most certainly didn’t.

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retired cynic  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:35:45pm

re: #138 Romantic Heretic

Ballet and the martial arts are based on one thing: balance. In my opinion.

It’s a good philosophy for life as well.

As you know, we bred horses. Balance is A1 as far as I’m concerned. I prefer not to work with breeding stock that doesn’t have it. So it is good for a lot of things!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:36:15pm

re: #140 sagehen

But I believe they have a plan B for the lame duck session. Especially if the D’s pick up a few senate seats; then “let the voters decide” will be some quaint thing we imagined McConnell having once said but he most certainly didn’t.

Yeah certainly. McConnell is that craven enough to do something like that.

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Maddies Mom  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:36:35pm

re: #33 Blind Frog Belly White

For DoRango fans, tonight they were playing Hide and Seek around the Tansy in the back yard.

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According to the vet, Dory now weighs 7.5 lbs, or 0.1 Rangos.

I can honestly say, as the ultimate dog-lover, I’ve never seen a cuter puppy in my life. 🐶

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MsJ  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:38:32pm

re: #115 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Hello, everyone! I’m just back from three weeks vacationing in Europe — did anything happen while I was gone?

Nah. SSDD. 😂

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plansbandc  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:39:05pm

re: #143 Maddies Mom

Absolutely precious!

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mmmirele  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:45:44pm

re: #115 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Hello, everyone! I’m just back from three weeks vacationing in Europe — did anything happen while I was gone?

I am so looking forward to my trip to Japan next week. I want to come back after the middle of the month completely ignorant to all the goings’ on.

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Jack Burton  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:48:59pm

The more I hear about Kavanaugh, the more he seems like he used to be just like Bryce Walker from 13 Reasons Why when he was younger.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:49:00pm

re: #146 mmmirele

I am so looking forward to my trip to Japan next week. I want to come back after the middle of the month completely ignorant to all the goings’ on.

I was able to do that for a few days during my trip. No WiFi. But once I got to Krakow, I was able to check the news agh. I just wish he could be gone and we could go about fixing the damage he’s caused and then maybe just maybe get back to some normalcy but I think that’s a pipe dream. It’s never going to be the same after Trump. He awakened something ugly in the American psyche that’s not going to die out in my life time.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:51:36pm
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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:52:37pm
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retired cynic  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:52:47pm

re: #149 Single-handed sailor

Whew!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:55:26pm

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:58:09pm
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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 8:58:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:00:44pm

re: #154 jaunte

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I really loathe these assholes.

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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:02:41pm

re: #150 jaunte

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Well, that settles it, he’s totally innocent. I can’t believe we ever thought he might be guilty.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:03:43pm

re: #155 HappyWarrior

I get the feeling they’d kill you for a quarter as long as their name wasn’t attached to the deed.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:04:44pm

contrast

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:06:29pm

re: #157 jaunte

I get the feeling they’d kill you for a quarter as long as their name wasn’t attached to the deed.

The preexisting condition means so much to me as someone with a heart condition. These guys are such scum and they have the nerve to claim moral authority.

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:09:46pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

The flip side is that you’re getting to watch Virginia turn blue. No, things won’t be the same. But sometimes different just means different. A lot of these racists are coming out of the woodwork because of Trump, but he did not create them, they were already there. It’s work, but the job of the rest of us is to let them know that they still aren’t welcome.

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MsJ  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:09:51pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:10:25pm

re: #160 Belafon

The flip side is that you’re getting to watch Virginia turn blue. No, things won’t be the same. But sometimes different just means different. A lot of these racists are coming out of the woodwork because of Trump, but he did not create them, they were already there. It’s work, but the job of the rest of us is to let them know that they still aren’t welcome.

True true.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:11:51pm

re: #46 HappyWarrior

TBH I thought the Republican Party had shown its low point. Nope they did it again. This is it.

There is no bottom; they can always go lower. Always.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:12:13pm

re: #158 Single-handed sailor

Can you imagine how horrible Trump would sound trying to speak French?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:12:22pm

re: #161 MsJ

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What’s his end game here?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:13:58pm

re: #164 Eclectic Cyborg

Can you imagine how horrible Trump would sound trying to speak French?

Jay Squee, I speak the best French. I have a hotel in Paris but Paris stinks and they don’t respect us there.

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plansbandc  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:15:17pm

re: #159 HappyWarrior

As I have stated previously, if they kill the preexisting condition protection, dude and I will not be able to buy our meds. We will die. It’s that simple. Our meds would cost several thousand dollars a month. It is a no bullshit death sentence for us

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:15:51pm

re: #165 HappyWarrior

What’s his end game here?

Guess which fifth vote would rule in favor of this but needs to be seated before arguments are heard? It’s the first case, according to someone in the replies.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:15:56pm

re: #167 plansbandc

As I have stated previously, if they kill the preexisting condition protection, dude and I will not be able to buy our meds. We will die. It’s that simple. Our meds would cost several thousand dollars a month. It is a no bullshit death sentence for us

People like you are why I canvass.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:16:42pm

re: #168 Belafon

Guess which fifth vote would rule in favor of this but needs to be seated before arguments are heard? It’s the fist case, according to someone in the replies.

Aha how could I be so dense?

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:19:17pm

If this ruling were to happen though and I were Mueller, I would just drop every case that NY would have jurisdiction over.

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sagehen  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:19:31pm

re: #149 Single-handed sailor

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So the world is moving ahead without us. Marvelous.

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fern01  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:20:57pm

re: #104 Jenner7

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Jason Munro  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:22:10pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

You have no obligation to keep anything online you don’t want to. As a relatively green lizard (ha) compared to many in the community here - I had no idea about the political leanings of LGF in the past, and I really don’t care. I found an intriguing community that:

- Is diverse and smart
- has respectful discourse
- follows twitter so I don’t have to
- thinks like I do - I don’t mean info-bubble, but actually thoughtful about shit
- shares awesome music I would never know about

I’m late to the thread as usual, but if you decide to purge the past or not, it won’t effect my opinion of you or LGF in the slightest.

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austin_blue  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:22:32pm

re: #149 Single-handed sailor

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This is actually a big deal, and the US State Department may have people pushing it.

The Iranians can push out well north of 1.5 MMB/day, which would drop oil prices by $5 to $10 per barrel. Oil politics is a long game, and the Saudis, especially, want to hold back on their reserves. The WH has been barking at them to increase exports, and this may be an agreement that takes some pressure off them.

The hammer over their head has been not resupplying their weapons stocks that they are using in Yemen.

Oil politics is extremely complex, and I can’t say that we are directly involved, but if you want to fuck Putin’s ass, this is a fine start.

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:24:42pm

re: #174 Jason Munro

The first time I ever heard about LGF was on Matt Drudge’s long defunct radio show. True story.

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danarchy  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:27:25pm

re: #175 austin_blue

This is actually a big deal, and the US State Department may have people pushing it.

The Iranians can push out well north of 1.5 MMB/day, which would drop oil prices by $5 to $10 per barrel. Oil politics is a long game, and the Saudis, especially, want to hold back on their reserves. The WH has been barking at them to increase exports, and this may be an agreement that takes some pressure off them.

The hammer over their head has been not resupplying their weapons stocks that they are using in Yemen.

Oil politics is extremely complex, and I can’t say that we are directly involved, but if you want to fuck Putin’s ass, this is a fine start.

First off…eeewww

But if that’s the case why is Russia on board with the deal?

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retired cynic  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:28:07pm

I don’t know how I first found my way here. But thank goodness for whatever it was!

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:28:18pm

re: #172 sagehen

Just like after the failure of the US to sign the TPP they moved ahead with the CPTPP (Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership).

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Jason Munro  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:29:01pm

re: #176 teleskiguy

I honestly don’t recall exactly what it was that linked me here. Whatever it was, regardless of context, I’m happy to have found this place. I really think the LGF community is one of a kind.

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austin_blue  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:29:45pm

re: #170 HappyWarrior

Aha how could I be so dense?

Density decreases with knowledge.

We are here to serve.

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plansbandc  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:30:24pm

Does anyone else here have package rage? I am to the point where no matter how good the product is, if it’s a pain in the ass to open, I won’t buy it. Is this an olds thing, or do you young whippersnappers feel the same way?

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Jason Munro  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:31:44pm

re: #182 plansbandc

I have one word for you: SAWZALL

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:32:06pm

re: #161 MsJ

The ACLU has also filed in favor of finding this unconstitutional: aclu.org. But I thought the relationship between Mueller and NY was so that NY could pick up if Mueller was fired, not if he lost.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:32:47pm

So fucking gross. Why can’t these assholes just own up to the immature shit they pulled when they were young. I mean, I never tried to rape anybody and I never got blackout drunk, mostly because my stomach never allowed for it, but I know for a fact I pulled some cringeworthy stunts that I have absolutely have had occasion to apologize for.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:32:53pm

re: #182 plansbandc

Does anyone else here have package rage? I am to the point where no matter how good the product is, if it’s a pain in the ass to open, I won’t buy it. Is this an olds thing, or do you young whippersnappers feel the same way?

These fucking bubble-packs are a goddamn plague. I haven’t refused to buy anything yet because of them, but maybe I’m the type who’d rather complain.

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:33:09pm

re: #182 plansbandc

Anything in particular?

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:35:42pm

You know what I would like: If I want, I should be able to take something out of the package at the store, and leave the packaging for them to deal with.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:35:44pm

re: #177 danarchy

First off…eeewww

But if that’s the case why is Russia on board with the deal?

Iran is their ally in propping up Assad in Syria.

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plansbandc  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:36:59pm

re: #187 Belafon

Delicious organic pasta sauce from Costco. 2 jars married with the most ridiculously impenetrable double plastic ring. Also, any fucking condiment that has a foil/plastic seal that takes twenty damn years to peal off so the goddamn lid can screw on it after it’s opened. I could go on.

Get off my lawn. “Yells at cloud”

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Jason Munro  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:37:28pm

re: #185 goddamnedfrank

I read the readout of the FOX “interview”. I had to skip some of the softballs because *barf* but I was struck by the repetition in his responses. Somebody got his talking points. Show me “65 women”, and “I just want to be heard” on the board!

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:37:37pm

re: #188 Belafon

You know what I would like: If I want, I should be able to take something out of the package at the store, and leave the packaging for them to deal with.

Ski shops and bike shops have been doing this forever.

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:38:06pm

re: #189 Big Beautiful Door

Iran is their ally in propping up Assad in Syria.

That, and Russia’s goal is Russia. A waker US on the world stage is seen as a good thing. They’ve been playing both sides on nearly everything. Look at their UN decisions since Trump, they’ve almost always been the opposite of Trump.

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electrotek  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:40:55pm

Australia continues to embrace Trumpism to its fullest:

Facebook Post

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:41:29pm

I think also Russia can sell oil under this vehicle without causing problems with existing sanctions.

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CleverToad  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:42:26pm

re: #104 Jenner7

It’s pretty damn hard to take care of two disabled parents, their home, meals, husband issues, and two kids to raise. I feel insane most of the time.

But, whaddya gonna do?

You keep doing what you hafta, and figure ‘insane’ is the base setting for now.
The thing we do for love, and worth it in the long run despite the current level of exhaustion. Major respect for what you are juggling, and cyber wishes for as much rest and respite as you can get, to help you keep up the slog.

(I should stop complaining, I only have one parent to take care of, one house ditto since she lives with me, a supportive husband who I don’t want to murder more than three times a week or so, and one kid mostly-grown. Well, two kids since son’s college student friend is living on our spare room for now. It’s still a zoo.)

Hang in there!

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MsJ  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:42:39pm

re: #165 HappyWarrior

What’s his end game here?

The only thing I can think of is making sure that trump or any of his criminal associates can’t be tried locally after being tied federally.

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Jason Munro  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:47:06pm

re: #194 electrotek

“If being a racist means using fabricated stereotypes to demean those different than me, then I’m a racist”

JFC

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austin_blue  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:49:47pm

re: #177 danarchy

First off…eeewww

But if that’s the case why is Russia on board with the deal?

Because energy policy is very complex, and Russia is more concerned at the moment with natural gas delivery than with oil.

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BeachDem  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:54:16pm

re: #191 Jason Munro

I read the readout of the FOX “interview”. I had to skip some of the softballs because *barf* but I was struck by the repetition in his responses. Somebody got his talking points. Show me “65 women”, and “I just want to be heard” on the board!

I mentioned this earlier:

He said “fair process” seventeen times in that interview (he repeats himself much as the yam does.) And after all, in high school he was “studying or focused on sports and being a good friend to the boys and the girls that I was friends with”—he tells that little tale four different times— and he said he’d never assaulted anyone five different ways, so you gotta believe him/

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 24, 2018 • 9:59:09pm

re: #42 NetworkKed

I’ve lurked around here for a long time, Charles, but… 2009? What makes that the cutoff? I would have guessed a year before that or more. Particularly I have the vague memory of you voting Obama in 2008, though I admit I didn’t go back to look it up before posting here.

There’s some value in keeping the transition period. It’s interesting to go back in the Balloon Juice archives and watch Cole’s conversion around the Schiavo mess, but OTOH I can imagine the sort of hostile linking you’re talking about.

Charles voted for McCain in 2008— but did regret it.

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Jason Munro  Sep 24, 2018 • 10:11:19pm

re: #200 BeachDem

MS. MacCALLUM: Sir, you are going to be pressed on something that you just said about people do things in high school, and you were all drinking, were there times when perhaps you drank so much — was there ever a time that you drank so much that you couldn’t remember what happened the night before?

JUDGE KAVANAUGH: No, that never happened.

MS. MacCALLUM: You never said to anyone, “I don’t remember anything about last night”?

JUDGE KAVANAUGH: No, that did not happen.

This exchange is especially believable! I love the setup “and you were all drinking”.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2018 • 10:13:49pm

Question for the gun nuts. Is this 1953 Winchester model 70 .30-‘06 worth $1395? The action was drilled and tapped at the factory. I’m not gonna buy it, at least as far as you know, but I’m curious.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 24, 2018 • 10:17:56pm

re: #202 Jason Munro

This exchange is especially believable! I love the setup “and you were all drinking”.

I think for this subject we need a Scully facepalm:

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 24, 2018 • 10:18:37pm

re: #203 goddamnedfrank

Barrels do wear out. That’s a good price for a new rifle.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2018 • 10:21:26pm

re: #205 Single-handed sailor

Barrels do wear out. That’s a good price for a new rifle.

Edited: Forgot to mention it’s a Model 70.

I will need to go in and scope the bore. I’m thinking Christmas at the earliest and it’ll probably be gone by then. I’ve been wanting a dedicated ‘06 hunting rifle and this would be slightly cheaper than the spanky-fresh Sako 85 I’ve been eyeing. Also, classier.

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2018 • 10:24:22pm

re: #203 goddamnedfrank

Yeah, I’d say so.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 10:35:09pm

re: #203 goddamnedfrank

Question for the gun nuts. Is this 1953 Winchester model 70 .30-‘06 worth $1395? The action was drilled and tapped at the factory. I’m not gonna buy it, at least as far as you know, but I’m curious.

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Not a gun nut, per se. But an old Model 70, in .30-06? If I were able to go hunting much, I’d be all over it.

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Jason Munro  Sep 24, 2018 • 10:35:19pm

re: #204 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I think it’s interesting he just burned his “I may not recall due to alcohol consumption” defense. Not that lying I guess matters anymore because WTF nothing does? He is basically going full Roy Moore righteousness. Not a good look.

I said last week he could not last until confirmation and I’m sticking with it. I was thinking he would not last the weekend. I was wrong but still hold out hope. The scripted FOX news “interview” seems like a desperate move.

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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 10:35:40pm

So in a boys-only prep school, Brett Kavanaugh ran with a hard-drinking crowd of guys that tried to fuck anything that stayed still long enough, but never drank to excess, was a virgin, always respected the women he associated with, focused totally on academics, and kept track of everything on calendars for later reference. And not only did his buddies not give him hell for this, they respected it and decades later can not remember him ever being anything but an absolute gentleman to the dozens of girls he dated.

Well, we are talking about a crowd who believes 3 million “illegals” were shipped in to California to give Hillary the popular vote win.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 24, 2018 • 10:38:29pm

re: #210 Targetpractice

Well, we are talking about a crowd who believes 3 million “illegals” were shipped in to California to give Hillary the popular vote win.

As I remember that night—and I’ve been trying my best to block it out—the popular vote flipped long before the polls closed in California, but facts mean nothing to these vermin, so….

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fern01  Sep 24, 2018 • 10:38:50pm

re: #191 Jason Munro

I read the readout of the FOX “interview”. I had to skip some of the softballs because *barf* but I was struck by the repetition in his responses. Somebody got his talking points. Show me “65 women”, and “I just want to be heard” on the board!

Sounds quite like a folder full of women.

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fern01  Sep 24, 2018 • 10:42:41pm

re: #194 electrotek

Australia continues to embrace Trumpism to its fullest:

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NOT ALL OF US!!! - but we do have a quite a few RWNJ politicians

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wheat-dogg  Sep 24, 2018 • 10:51:02pm

re: #212 fern01

Sounds quite like a folder full of women.

Maybe he used binders, and carefully recorded which ones he had met or not met or had met but couldn’t remember meeting or had met and couldn’t remember face-dicking or … you get the idea.

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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2018 • 10:52:21pm

re: #209 Jason Munro

I think it’s interesting he just burned his “I may not recall due to alcohol consumption” defense. Not that lying I guess matters anymore because WTF nothing does? He is basically going full Roy Moore righteousness. Not a good look.

I said last week he could not last until confirmation and I’m sticking with it. I was thinking he would not last the weekend. I was wrong but still hold out hope. The scripted FOX news “interview” seems like a desperate move.

He burned that card because of the narrative it spelled out. Remember, initially he tried to insist that he just couldn’t remember the incident. Then word got around that he had a history of getting black-out drunk, which would serve as an explanation of why he didn’t remember the assault and kidnapping. Which is when he suddenly went straight to total denial and has only ramped up from there. Then the new allegations drop yesterday and suddenly he was a virgin all through college.

Much like his testimony during the earlier hearings, he’s quick to offer a new excuse whenever an inconsistency pops up.

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ckkatz  Sep 24, 2018 • 11:06:48pm

re: #206 goddamnedfrank

Edited: Forgot to mention it’s a Model 70.

I will need to go in and scope the bore. I’m thinking Christmas at the earliest and it’ll probably be gone by then. I’ve been wanting a dedicated ‘06 hunting rifle and this would be slightly cheaper than the spanky-fresh Sako 85 I’ve been eyeing. Also, classier.

I haven’t been in the market for well over a decade and a half. So I do not want to speak to price. I wonder if there are any estate sale places that might have leads. Particularly if you have some time. I agree that there are a lot of folks with a high respect for the pre-64 Model 70’s.

I agree with Single-Handed Sailor regarding checking the barrel, head-space, etc. Maybe even a test-fire round. And I would consider whether, on a 65 year old firearm of unknown provenance, to replace springs and extractor and firing pin.

And, as I have gotten older, my enthusiasm for 30—06, 300 WinMag, and 12 gauge slugs has diminished. Particularly in a lighter rifle. But that is probably me.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 24, 2018 • 11:10:41pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 24, 2018 • 11:17:03pm

Have you seen David Futrelle’s collection of QNuts’ reactions to this morning’s insanity?

Q Believers respond to the head-spinning news on Rosenstein and Kavanaugh with rationality and restraint. JUST KIDDING!

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2018 • 11:18:48pm

re: #216 ckkatz

I haven’t been in the market for well over a decade and a half. So I do not want to speak to price. I wonder if there are any estate sale places that might have leads. Particularly if you have some time. I agree that there are a lot of folks with a high respect for the pre-64 Model 70’s.

I agree with Single-Handed Sailor regarding checking the barrel, head-space, etc. Maybe even a test-fire round. And I would consider whether, on a 65 year old firearm of unknown provenance, to replace springs and extractor and firing pin.

And, as I have gotten older, my enthusiasm for 30—06, 300 WinMag, and 12 gauge slugs has diminished. Particularly in a lighter rifle. But that is probably me.

My reasons for preferring .30-‘06 are mostly due to not wanting to have to invest in a new caliber. Also, it’s adequate for anything I am ever going to shoot at the ranges my eyes can ethically track. .300 Win Mag and 12 gauge slugs are long range and short range overkill as far as I’m concerned. Honestly the odds of me pulling the trigger on a game animal ever again are pretty slim, just because I’m incredibly reticent to cause undue suffering and so anything over 200 yards with a scope just feels way too risky.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2018 • 11:27:59pm

re: #219 goddamnedfrank

… just because I’m incredibly reticent to cause undue suffering and so anything over 200 yards with a scope just feels way too risky.

One of my uncles took me bow hunting with his friends in Oregon 22 years ago and let’s just say they weren’t nearly as skilled as they thought they were. I did get to see the string on a 70 lb compound bow come apart at full draw though. Shit flew every which way.

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2018 • 11:30:18pm

I could put my 70s era 30—06 in hock and I’d get $700.

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Chrysicat  Sep 24, 2018 • 11:31:19pm
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Single-handed sailor  Sep 24, 2018 • 11:39:36pm

re: #216 ckkatz

I’m becomming a big fan of 6.5mm rifles, Creedmore, Remington 260. I just wish I could afford one with a good scope. I’d love to learn to shoot 1000 meters.

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ckkatz  Sep 24, 2018 • 11:47:12pm

re: #219 goddamnedfrank

We have the same line of thought.

- No point in going to a new caliber, learning it’s ballistics and having to buy a new stock of ammunition. (I went with .308.)

- I also live in the East, first Western Pennsylvania and now Virginia. And, like you most of my shots were (well) under 200 yards/meters. The risk of missing or wounding was too high.

- The last time I went deer hunting was about a decade ago. The
Rappahannock River Valley National Wildlife Refuge has a severe problem with deer overpopulation. They sponsor hunts to reduce the population.

The deer literally ate everything clean from ground to about 6ft up. Because there are a lot of nearby farmhouses, I could only use shotgun slugs or buckshot. I passed up several shots because I was not certain of the backstop and that time went home without a deer.

But I had a great day in the woods, saw fox kits playing, a flock of turkeys, about 5 deer, called in a sixth (a buck) to within about 50 meters. (But he came in from behind me and there were farmhouses that way.)

Another set of hunters in the same tract did get a deer that day. At dawn, in swampy ground, with a blackpowder rifle. Which impressed the heck out of me. But then the two of them spent the rest of day trying to haul it out of the woods. I left around 5pm and they still had not made it back to their truck.

Wow! I have not seen a bow disassemble. Yet. Hopefully none of your uncles and friends were injured by flying debris. That must have been quite a surprise.

Most of the bow kills I have heard about have been through blood loss rather than critical hits. I never bow hunted because, as you point out, it requires a lot of skill and skill maintenance. Locally, crossbows seem to be a big thing these days.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2018 • 11:52:01pm

re: #224 ckkatz

Even heart shots with a bow kill by blood loss. There’s not enough kinetic energy in any arrow a human can shoot to kill like a bullet.

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2018 • 11:53:03pm
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ckkatz  Sep 24, 2018 • 11:59:01pm

re: #223 Single-handed sailor

I’m becomming a big fan of 6.5mm rifles, Creedmore, Remington 260. I just wish I could afford one with a good scope. I’d love to learn to shoot 1000 meters.

I have been hearing of more and more baby boomers going to 6mm/25cal. I suspect that the improving quality of the firearms and ammunition has made them more effective at deer size animals. Plus recoil is much more of an issue, at least for me, these days than it was 40 years ago.

I used to frequent a couple of hunting websites. A bunch of folks there would experiment with various new calibers. But the sites really went wingnut and into crazy politics in the early years of Bush. And then finally completely off the rails when Obama won. I lost interest in them.

I always wanted to try long distance shooting. There are a bunch of interesting technical problems that one has to identify and solve.

But I live in the east, and, truthfully, my eyesight is terrible. So instead I went into the field artillery. I got to shoot big ‘bullets’. At taxpayer expense.

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ckkatz  Sep 25, 2018 • 12:09:40am

re: #225 Blind Frog Belly White

Even heart shots with a bow kill by blood loss. There’s not enough kinetic energy in any arrow a human can shoot to kill like a bullet.

That was also my understanding.

Plus, most of the central nerve system is well armored by bone that arrows cannot penetrate. I just don’t want to say ‘always’ because someone would likely bring up a counter-example.

Bowhunting to reduce the deer population in local parks is a big thing right now in Fairfax County, Virginia. (DC Suburbs) And there are lots of stories about deer getting hit and running into somebodies back yard, then expiring.

There is also a big problem with deer overpopulation in Dulles Airport. (Interestingly, many of the deer there are piebald.) But there they bring in police sharpshooters.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 25, 2018 • 12:14:54am

re: #224 ckkatz

Wow! I have not seen a bow disassemble. Yet. Hopefully none of your uncles and friends were injured by flying debris. That must have been quite a surprise.

To this day I am amazed that nobody was hurt, because the bow itself was 100% destroyed. Just utterly knackered.

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teleskiguy  Sep 25, 2018 • 12:20:24am
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ckkatz  Sep 25, 2018 • 12:25:59am

re: #229 goddamnedfrank

To this day I am amazed that nobody was hurt, because the bow itself was 100% destroyed. Just utterly knackered.

I had a friend, a retired Army Ranger, who went bow hunting for bear in the mountains of Central Virginia. (Rapidan Wildlife Management Area)

He actually shot a bear. And then he said, he realized, that there was now a possibly really angry bear. And all he had for defense was a pointy stick. (Another arrow.)

Fortunately for him the bear ran off. It did die fairly quickly. He did find it, not so quickly. And then he had to spend a long time dragging it out of the woods.

After that, he decided that bear hunting was not for him.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 25, 2018 • 12:31:20am

re: #227 ckkatz

Yeah, those goofball conservatives are big on 5.56 semi-auto. I’d be happy with a single shot bolt gun. If you can’t shoot get a big mag.

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sagehen  Sep 25, 2018 • 12:40:59am

re: #231 ckkatz

He actually shot a bear. And then he said, he realized, that there was now a possibly really angry bear. And all he had for defense was a pointy stick. (Another arrow.)

Walsh: We use the latest in scientific technology and state-of-the-art weaponry, and you, if I understand correctly, poke them with a sharp stick.
Buffy: Oh, it’s more effective than it sounds.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 25, 2018 • 12:42:40am

re: #225 Blind Frog Belly White

Even heart shots with a bow kill by blood loss. There’s not enough kinetic energy in any arrow a human can shoot to kill like a bullet.

One of my pet peeves about the show Arrow’s first season, when Oliver Queen was killing with impunity, was the “instant kill shots” of his arrows. I know the showrunners can’t show on network TV (and on a kid’s show) what really happens when someone is shot with an arrow, but it gives people the wrong idea about the effects. Same with gunshots, when someone (usually the hero/heroine) gets shot and all they need is some painkillers and bandages to get back up on their feet.

It don’t work like that.

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ckkatz  Sep 25, 2018 • 12:51:15am

re: #232 Single-handed sailor

Yeah, those goofball conservatives are big on 5.56 semi-auto. I’d be happy with a single shot bolt gun. If you can’t shoot get a big mag.

I guess that an ar has it’s place. But these days, my preference would be to avoid gunfights. My enthusiasm for hurting other people, never particularly high, has rapidly decreased as I have grown older. And my enthusiasm for getting hurt was never high. If I ever become aware of a gunfight, my plan is to be somewhere else.

On the cannot shoot part. A friend in the military noted that it is not possible to miss fast enough to win a fight.

But, you are correct, if you have to miss, a 155mm artillery shell at long range is better than a pistol shot at close range.

I used to know folks who were interested in the technical problems associated with firearms. Down to how barrel length and burn rate of specific powders affected ballistics. They had more patience and ‘sitzfleisch’ than I ever did. Several of them spent a lot of time working with replicas of the single shot rolling block Sharps 50-90’s. (Think the Adobe Walls standoff.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2018 • 12:51:56am

re: #78 austin_blue

Put ‘em behind a Registered Lizard Wall, and screen for new Lizard sign-ups based on previous IP’s.

History is history, and what went on back then is a relevant reflection of your political evolution.

It’s your site of course, this is just a suggestion. But there’s a whole bunch of us old-time Lizards who deeply admire your metamorphosis into an science-loving, fascist-hating realist-based, thinking Blogmaster.

This could only become an issue if you are ever nominated for SCOTUS…

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 25, 2018 • 12:57:00am
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ckkatz  Sep 25, 2018 • 1:01:25am

re: #233 sagehen

Walsh: We use the latest in scientific technology and state-of-the-art weaponry, and you, if I understand correctly, poke them with a sharp stick.
Buffy: Oh, it’s more effective than it sounds.

I remember reading a biography of the group in San Francisco area that worked with Ishi after he gave up to white society.

The group was also interested in the long bow. They built some replicas and did some testing.

One of them had access to to a set of medieval chainmail. He offered to wear it and let them shoot at him. They talked him into putting the chainmail on a dummy instead. All were shocked when the arrow penetrated the chainmail completely.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 25, 2018 • 1:04:22am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2018 • 1:05:11am

re: #115 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Hello, everyone! I’m just back from three weeks vacationing in Europe — did anything happen while I was gone?

Nothing happened in Europe, either..

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ckkatz  Sep 25, 2018 • 1:07:24am

re: #237 Single-handed sailor

What a mess!

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fern01  Sep 25, 2018 • 1:07:31am

re: #214 wheat-dogg

Maybe he used binders, and carefully recorded which ones he had met or not met or had met but couldn’t remember meeting or had met and couldn’t remember face-dicking or … you get the idea.

I knew I had that folder word wrong - too much has happened since Romney was collecting women - I forgot where he filed them all.

I think the interview was a very bad idea. He already had the fox news watchers - it did not make anyone else believe him - quite the opposite.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2018 • 1:08:44am

re: #128 makeitstop

Evangelicals have explicitly threatened to stay home for the midterms if Kavanaugh is not confirmed, which would make an election where the GOP’s prospects are pretty bad already even worse. Congress wants him it at all costs.

…They’re ride or die at this point, and Kavanaugh will get his up or down vote. But by the time that vote rolls around - and if Avenatti’s witness is as explosive as he’s hyping it to be, that Friday vote won’t happen - Kavanaugh may end up being so toxic that McConnell won’t be able to wrangle the votes.

And if they do end up bulling it through in the face of multiple accusers, they’re dead meat in the midterms. I have to wonder how loyal some senators will be once their job is on the line.

They lose votes if they confirm him, they lose votes if they don’t.which is why I suspect they will just go for the former option and get his ass in.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 25, 2018 • 1:11:13am

I’m looking at the Twitter for Colonel Morris Davis. some of his tweets have this “This media may contain sensitive material. Learn more.”

What could be so offensive?

Quoting Trump’s tweet typos from earlier this evening. “False Acquisitions”

LOL

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fern01  Sep 25, 2018 • 1:11:28am

re: #237 Single-handed sailor

It’s far from clear the Trump administration has done the same legwork ahead of Trump’s inaugural turn on Wednesday.

It’s quite clear they haven’t - playing around with words because “can’t upset trump” is the nonsense of this administration & those who report on it.

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ckkatz  Sep 25, 2018 • 1:14:27am

re: #239 Single-handed sailor

He did so much damage. There is a line between pure tribalism and political competition. McConnell stepped way over that line. He got his SCOTUS pick, but at what cost to the country. And he is still giggling over that.

We will be repairing the damage for a generation. Just like we spent the last decade trying to fix what Bush 43 did to our economy. And they just don’t care.

As StoneKettle points out, their view is “I got mine, f-u”.

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ckkatz  Sep 25, 2018 • 1:22:40am

re: #243 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What I took away from Maddow and O’Donnell Monday evening was that Trump wants a fight. To force his supporters to stand by him and support him. And McConnell may force a public vote to embarrass any Republican Senators who might vote against Kavanaugh.

Whether that will be enough to keep the Republicans unified will be interesting to see. The fear is that as if lockstep discipline and unity breaks down, the party might collapse.

I do not expect that to happen until after the mid-terms. And, if the Democrats win, I expect that the lameduck session to be filled with the Republicans giving everybody the middle finger.

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Nyet  Sep 25, 2018 • 1:24:10am

The level of delusion and nihilism exhibited by our Nazi-adjacent friend is hard to beat.

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ckkatz  Sep 25, 2018 • 1:24:16am

Well, I had better get to bed. Sweet Lizard dreams to all!

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meteor  Sep 25, 2018 • 1:34:56am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2018 • 1:41:30am

re: #222 Chrysicat

Rmember that the oil crisis led the federal government to reduce the speed limit to 55 mph and CB’s became a vital tool in allowing truckers to violate the law, which gave them the cachet of rebels and outlaws, something that always appealed to southerners especially.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 25, 2018 • 2:35:24am

re: #251 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Rmember that the oil crisis led the federal government to reduce the speed limit to 55 mph and CB’s became a vital tool in allowing truckers to violate the law, which gave them the cachet of rebels and outlaws, something that always appealed to southerners especially.

Rather fitting y’all are having this conversation after Burt Reynolds’ passing. Smokey and the Bandit was all about CBs and evading those smokies and local yokels.

And let us not forget that Sam Peckinpah classic, Convoy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2018 • 2:40:26am

re: #252 wheat-dogg

Rather fitting y’all are having this conversation after Burt Reynolds’ passing. Smokey and the Bandit was all about CBs and evading those smokies and local yokels.

And let us not forget that Sam Peckinpah classic, Convoy.

Or 2,000 Maniacs

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 25, 2018 • 2:58:37am

re: #253 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Or “2,000 Maniacs”

Heh, a splatter-film classic.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2018 • 3:53:38am

re: #254 Dr Lizardo

Heh, a splatter-film classic.

beyond that, a play on what they wanted to do with all those meddlesome Northerners interfering with their unique institutions

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 25, 2018 • 4:23:09am

moron…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2018 • 4:30:12am

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

“despite requests”

from whom?

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wheat-dogg  Sep 25, 2018 • 4:40:38am

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rouhani said he has no plans to meet Trumpo.

cnbc.com

nbcnews.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2018 • 4:42:59am

re: #258 wheat-dogg

Rouhani said he has no plans to meet Trumpo.

cnbc.com

nbcnews.com

despot requests

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wheat-dogg  Sep 25, 2018 • 4:48:20am

re: #259 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

First Rouhani says he has no plans to meet Trump, in a Sunday interview with Lester Holt.

Then Trump tweets he has no plans to meet with Rouhani.

Sound familiar?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2018 • 4:50:04am

re: #260 wheat-dogg

First Rouhani says he has no plans to meet Trump, in a Sunday interview with Lester Holt.

Then Trump tweets he has no plans to meet with Rouhani.

Sound familiar?

I had already dumped her before she dumped me…

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wheat-dogg  Sep 25, 2018 • 4:53:23am

re: #261 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I had already dumped her before she dumped me…

Exactly. Trump has done this before with the sportsball teams that stood him up.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 25, 2018 • 4:54:03am

re: #247 ckkatz

What I took away from Maddow and O’Donnell Monday evening was that Trump wants a fight. To force his supporters to stand by him and support him. And McConnell may force a public vote to embarrass any Republican Senators who might vote against Kavanaugh.

Whether that will be enough to keep the Republicans unified will be interesting to see. The fear is that as if lockstep discipline and unity breaks down, the party might collapse.

I do not expect that to happen until after the mid-terms. And, if the Democrats win, I expect that the lameduck session to be filled with the Republicans giving everybody the middle finger.

McConnell will only have a vote on Kavanaugh if either 1) he has at least 50 votes or 2) Trump absolutely refuses to withdraw Kavanaugh’s nomination and having a losing vote is the only way to move forward. He doesn’t want his Senators to have to make bad votes just before the mid-terms when the Democrats have a real chance of winning control of the Senate.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2018 • 4:58:11am

re: #263 Big Beautiful Door

McConnell will only have a vote on Kavanaugh if either 1) he has at least 50 votes or 2) Trump absolutely refuses to withdraw Kavanaugh’s nomination and having a losing vote is the only way to move forward. He doesn’t want his Senators to have to make bad votes just before the mid-terms when the Democrats have a real chance of winning control of the Senate.

If they back down on Kavanaugh, the GOP loses face and loses votes among its base.

If they approve him, they lose votes from the rest of the electorate.

I assume they will just damn the torpedoes and vote him in

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 25, 2018 • 5:03:16am

re: #264 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If they back down on Kavanaugh, the GOP loses face and loses votes among its base.

If they approve him, they lose votes from the rest of the electorate.

I assume they will just damn the torpedoes and vote him in

Most will, yes. The question is whether there are at least two GOP senators who can be pressured into voting no. Perhaps if a critical number of credible witnesses come forward against Kavanaugh, Collins, Murkowski and/or Flake may flip. There are three women now; each one who comes forward, along with other details about Kavanaugh’s hedonistic lifestyle coming to light, increases the pressure on those three.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 25, 2018 • 5:04:11am

re: #264 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If they back down on Kavanaugh, the GOP loses face and loses votes among its base.

If they approve him, they lose votes from the rest of the electorate.

I assume they will just damn the torpedoes and vote him in

I am expecting Augh will be confirmed, because he’s a middle-aged Christian white Republican man, barring some Hail Mary or deus ex machina between now and that Senate vote. He’s stubborn, Trump is stubborn, and the GOP leadership is stubborn, because abortion and executive privilege. To hell with reasonable doubt, optics or potential voter backlash. Once he is seated as a justice, mission is accomplished.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 25, 2018 • 5:09:01am

re: #265 Big Beautiful Door

Most will, yes. The question is whether there are at least two GOP senators who can be pressured into voting no. Perhaps if a critical number of credible witnesses come forward against Kavanaugh, Collins, Murkowski and/or Flake may flip. There are three women now; each one who comes forward, along with other details about Kavanaugh’s hedonistic lifestyle coming to light, increases the pressure on those three.

As bad as Augh’s youthful behavior was, the main problem is his lack of honesty and transparency about his past and his finances. SCOTUS justices are supposed to be squeaky clean, and Augh is definitely not. People need to be press the GOP on why *he* is the best choice, and not some other judge. Why is *he* so fucking special? His vita is not so unusual that some other equally qualified candidate could be seated, even from the conservative side.

We here know the answers, but it would be nice to get the GOP to ‘fess up to the truth.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2018 • 5:10:39am

re: #266 wheat-dogg

I am expecting Augh will be confirmed, because he’s a middle-aged Christian white Republican man, barring some Hail Mary or deus ex machina between now and that Senate vote. He’s stubborn, Trump is stubborn, and the GOP leadership is stubborn, because abortion and executive privilege. To hell with reasonable doubt, optics or potential voter backlash. Once he is seated as a justice, mission is accomplished.

Yes,I think their reckoning is that they can always recover those House/Senate seats, but Kavanaugh would clinch their control of SCOTUS for decades.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2018 • 5:12:39am

re: #267 wheat-dogg

As bad as Augh’s youthful behavior was, the main problem is his lack of honesty and transparency about his past and his finances. SCOTUS justices are supposed to be squeaky clean, and Augh is definitely not. People need to be press the GOP on why *he* is the best choice, and not some other judge. Why is *he* so fucking special? His vita is not so unusual that some other equally qualified candidate could be seated, even from the conservative side.

We here know the answers, but it would be nice to get the GOP to ‘fess up to the truth.

The reasons not to confirm him are independent of his record of purported sexual transgressions. To the point that they are almost a red herring, spinning the whole discussion into a he-said-she-said debate and distracting from his horrendous judicial record.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 25, 2018 • 5:16:51am

re: #268 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes,I think their reckoning is that they can always recover those House/Senate seats, but Kavanaugh would clinch their control of SCOTUS for decades.

Unless he’s impeached and removed from the bench.

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Belafon  Sep 25, 2018 • 5:20:56am

re: #269 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The reason the sexual misconduct allegations are important are threefold. First, it indicates someone who has no respect for women. Second, the fact that he’s hiding so much of it rather than own up to it indicates how much he’s willing to change facts to suit his own agenda. Third, we seem to be just scratching the surface between this and the other stuff. How far will he go to keep the rest hidden? How easy will it be to blackmail him?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 25, 2018 • 5:21:53am

We have a winner.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 25, 2018 • 5:22:52am

Grace in action……

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Dave In Austin  Sep 25, 2018 • 5:25:59am

The Central Texas oaks are masting…. I’m besieged by the foul acorn.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 25, 2018 • 5:31:34am

re: #267 wheat-dogg

As bad as Augh’s youthful behavior was, the main problem is his lack of honesty and transparency about his past and his finances. SCOTUS justices are supposed to be squeaky clean, and Augh is definitely not. People need to be press the GOP on why *he* is the best choice, and not some other judge. Why is *he* so fucking special? His vita is not so unusual that some other equally qualified candidate could be seated, even from the conservative side.

We here know the answers, but it would be nice to get the GOP to ‘fess up to the truth.

They will never admit that Trump wants Kavanaugh on the Court to protect him.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 25, 2018 • 5:32:44am

re: #275 Big Beautiful Door

They will never admit that Trump wants Kavanaugh on the Court to protect him.

We are becoming a First World banana republic.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 25, 2018 • 5:33:39am

re: #269 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The reasons not to confirm him are independent of his record of purported sexual transgressions. To the point that they are almost a red herring, spinning the whole discussion into a he-said-she-said debate and distracting from his horrendous judicial record.

But his horrendous judicial record is precisely why all the GOP Senators want to vote for him. The only reason they might not is if the sex scandal creates too much public pressure for Collins, Murkowski and Flake to bear.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 25, 2018 • 5:34:55am

re: #270 Dr Lizardo

Unless he’s impeached and removed from the bench.

The Democrats will never get 67 votes in the Senate to impeach him; if he is confirmed, he will serve on the Court for the rest of his life.

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William Lewis  Sep 25, 2018 • 5:37:18am

re: #203 goddamnedfrank

Question for the gun nuts. Is this 1953 Winchester model 70 .30-‘06 worth $1395? The action was drilled and tapped at the factory. I’m not gonna buy it, at least as far as you know, but I’m curious.

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I’d not pay that much. $700 ~ $800 would be my max. But people get stupid about pre-64 Winchesters…

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lizardofid  Sep 25, 2018 • 5:43:27am

re: #274 Dave In Austin

The Central Texas oaks are masting…. I’m besieged by the foul acorn.

Turn the hogs out.

Oh, and good morning!

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makeitstop  Sep 25, 2018 • 5:48:06am

‘Morning, Lizards,

Today, our Trixie goes back to the vet to get the stitches removed from her eye, finally. She’s been wearing the Cone of Shame for nearly two weeks and absolutely hates it, so I’m happy that will finally be coming off - but probably not as happy about it as she is.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 5:48:36am

re: #248 Nyet

The level of delusion and nihilism exhibited by our Nazi-adjacent friend is hard to beat.

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Wow. Yeah that may be the most delusionally stupid take one could have.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 25, 2018 • 5:56:16am

re: #257 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“despite requests”

from whom?

“Many requests. From all of them.”

//

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 25, 2018 • 5:56:24am

re: #278 Big Beautiful Door

The Democrats will never get 67 votes in the Senate to impeach him; if he is confirmed, he will serve on the Court for the rest of his life.

Not now, of course; I’m talking about the future.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 25, 2018 • 5:57:44am

re: #248 Nyet

The level of delusion and nihilism exhibited by our Nazi-adjacent friend is hard to beat.

But she is test—oh never mind.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2018 • 5:58:33am

re: #285 Sir John Barron

But she is test—oh never mind.

she is a piece of performance art

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 25, 2018 • 6:01:34am

re: #284 Dr Lizardo

Not now, of course; I’m talking about the future.

They will never have 67 votes in the future either. There are too many rural, mostly white states.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 25, 2018 • 6:01:44am

re: #280 lizardofid

And to you and all…..

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2018 • 6:03:05am

re: #287 Big Beautiful Door

They will never have 67 votes in the future either. There are too many rural, mostly white states.

when is the last time any party had 67 seats in the Senate?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 6:09:39am

re: #289 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

when is the last time any party had 67 seats in the Senate?

After LBJ best Goldwater. But that was with many Southern Conservative Dems. I think it’s confirmation or bust. Even if you had video of Augh doing this shit, they wouldn’t impeach him.

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lawhawk  Sep 25, 2018 • 6:11:35am

Greets and saluts from the soggy NYC metro area. Kavanaugh continues to be exposed as a liar whose sole purpose and intent is to get on the Supreme Court to roll back decades of social progress. The GOP is aiding and abetting that effort since they share the common goal.

Meanwhile, Avenatti thinks this is all about him.

It isn’t.

He’s not the one ending this, if it does in fact end Kavanaugh’s nomination. That would be Dr. Ford. She’s the one who first came forward and put herself out there to take the hits and smear jobs by a craven GOP. Others have since come forward based on strength in numbers.

What we do know is that Kavanaugh was a drunken lout, who also is an accused sex predator. These often go hand in hand. Functional drunk is still a drunk.

So yeah, he doesn’t deserve a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court - and his lifetime appointment to the federal judiciary should be in question given that lack of character and judgment that has since come to the attention of the Senate (not that they care one iota about these things, unless it’s a Democrat involved).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2018 • 6:11:42am

re: #290 HappyWarrior

After LBJ best Goldwater. But that was with many Southern Conservative Dems. I think it’s confirmation or bust. Even if you had video of Augh doing this shit, they wouldn’t impeach him.

This has been a long-term GOP strategy: first stonewalling Merrick Garland then arranging for Kennedy to retire.

We are fucked for decades.

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lawhawk  Sep 25, 2018 • 6:18:02am

re: #287 Big Beautiful Door

They will never have 67 votes in the future either. There are too many rural, mostly white states.

The last time the Senate was held by a single party with more than 67 seats was 1967. No party has had more than 60 seats since 1979.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 6:20:12am

It’s confirmation or bust. Though all of Augh’s decisions especially involving women are going to be heavily analyzed I imagine. Whole thing just makes me sick.

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Dizzy  Sep 25, 2018 • 6:28:47am

Posted without comment (but just a bit of pride):

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wheat-dogg  Sep 25, 2018 • 6:29:27am

I’m now in episode three of Iron Fist’s second season. I am hooked. It’s sooo much better than the first season.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 25, 2018 • 6:36:58am

Oh, hai.

While I wasn’t paying attention, my karma crossed 80,000. That 100K level seems within my reach now.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 25, 2018 • 6:42:45am

re: #297 wheat-dogg

Oh, hai.

While I wasn’t paying attention, my karma crossed 80,000. That 100K level seems within my reach now.

Yah, I’ve crossed 85k. Life is good. Despite, you know, everything else.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2018 • 6:44:04am

re: #297 wheat-dogg

Oh, hai.

While I wasn’t paying attention, my karma crossed 80,000. That 100K level seems within my reach now.

I live for these little random milestones in life

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2018 • 6:44:17am

the new york fucking times

“Judge Brett Kavanaugh’s appearance on Fox News on Monday night, submitting to a tough round of questions from the anchor Martha MacCallum about allegations of sexual misconduct, was the first time in memory that a Supreme Court nominee submitted to a televised interview before the confirmation vote.”

what the fuck is “in memory”?

it was the first time
ever
never happened before
NO ONE ever did it

what is wrong with you people?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 6:45:49am

re: #300 dangerman

the new york fucking times

what the fuck is “in memory”?

it was the first time
ever
never happened before
NO ONE ever did it

what is wrong with you people?

Yeah. What the what.

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Belafon  Sep 25, 2018 • 6:48:48am

re: #300 dangerman

the new york fucking times

what the fuck is “in memory”?

it was the first time
ever
never happened before
NO ONE ever did it

what is wrong with you people?

You don’t remember when Kagan did it? THEY GOT TO YOU, TOO?!!

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Dave In Austin  Sep 25, 2018 • 6:51:28am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2018 • 6:52:29am

re: #302 Belafon

You don’t remember when Kagan did it? THEY GOT TO YOU, TOO?!!

The closest we ever had to this were the Anita Hill hearings.

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2018 • 6:56:00am

re: #281 makeitstop

‘Morning, Lizards,

Today, our Trixie goes back to the vet to get the stitches removed from her eye, finally. She’s been wearing the Cone of Shame for nearly two weeks and absolutely hates it, so I’m happy that will finally be coming off - but probably not as happy about it as she is.

We call it the cone of humiliation unless they did something specifically shameful to deserve it

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Sir John Barron  Sep 25, 2018 • 6:57:56am

re: #300 dangerman

the new york fucking times

what the fuck is “in memory”?

it was the first time
ever
never happened before
NO ONE ever did it

what is wrong with you people?

“Maybe someone else did but we don’t remember it and don’t want to bother checking to be 100% sure.”

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Dave In Austin  Sep 25, 2018 • 6:58:47am

Challenge……

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 25, 2018 • 7:01:26am

re: #292 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This has been a long-term GOP strategy: first stonewalling Merrick Garland then arranging for Kennedy to retire.

We are fucked for decades.

The next time the Democrats are in power, I hope in 2021, they need to add two seats to the Court to make up for the GOP stealing Garland’s seat and a criminal being allowed to appoint his own justice. The GOP has chucked all the rules, and the Democrats can’t play nice anymore while preserving Democracy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 25, 2018 • 7:02:46am

This is the time of morning I start wondering what todays shitshow will look like.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 25, 2018 • 7:02:58am

re: #203 goddamnedfrank

Question for the gun nuts. Is this 1953 Winchester model 70 .30-‘06 worth $1395? The action was drilled and tapped at the factory. I’m not gonna buy it, at least as far as you know, but I’m curious.

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Seems steep, but I have not been in the rifle market for years. Nice, clean looking rifle. Looks like the one I carried way back when I was still deer hunting. It was grandpa’s rifle but it was semi left to me. Dad still has it I would bet (I haven’t deer hunted in 30+ years). I do remember that it was a heavier rifle, after carrying it all day you knew it.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Sep 25, 2018 • 7:04:16am

re: #300 dangerman

the new york fucking times

what the fuck is “in memory”?

it was the first time
ever
never happened before
NO ONE ever did it

what is wrong with you people?

Can’t be bothered to check their facts.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 25, 2018 • 7:09:47am

A quick reminder that Bill Cosby’s proclivities go back more than 50 yrs, the mid 60’s…. And he’s walking around in cuffs.

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jeffreyw  Sep 25, 2018 • 7:26:28am

Imgur


Good morning!

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lawhawk  Sep 25, 2018 • 7:26:37am

re: #300 dangerman

the new york fucking times

what the fuck is “in memory”?

it was the first time
ever
never happened before
NO ONE ever did it

what is wrong with you people?

Lazy fucking journalists who don’t want to take the time to fact check that it never occurred before.

And didn’t identify that the person doing the interview was a flack who covered for Fox News sex harassment and abuse by various Fox honchos, including Bill Shine, who now works for Trump (harassing provides golden parachutes with updraft to get into the WH).

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 25, 2018 • 7:29:51am

Here is my vision of a Democratic agenda in 2021 if they gain control of Congress and the WH:
1) deep six the filibuster so the GOP minority can’t engage in obstruction.
2) universal healthcare, whether through Medicare-for-all or big expansion of Medicaid in the existing ACA structure, or whatever gets the job done.
3) real immigration reform with expanded numbers so the economy can grow rather than stagnate.
4) Ambitious infrastructure plan to create zero emission energy grid and transportation system, and a cap and trade system so there is a market for negative carbon technology to get the US to zero emissions and below as quickly as feasible.
5) Increase in the minimum wage and institute automatic cost-of-living adjustments and pass Warren’s plan to give labor and communities a voice on corporate boards.
6) Election reform to end gerrymandering (my idea: proportional representation) and institute universal voter registration.
7) Expand the House to 1,000 seats and grant statehood to Puerto Rico, D.C. and the Pacific Islands to reduce the risk that a minority of angry old racists gain control of the government again.
8) Add two seats to SCOTUS so the reactionary five can’t roll back progressive reform from the bench.
Oh, and also drug law reform, prison reform, universal day care and paid parental leave. A guy can dream, right?

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fern01  Sep 25, 2018 • 7:35:32am

re: #300 dangerman

As for that “tough round of questions” - the NYTimes dreams. They will see tough questions on Thursday when the dem Senators are asking them.

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Belafon  Sep 25, 2018 • 7:37:47am

re: #315 Big Beautiful Door

Here is my vision of a Democratic agenda in 2021 if they gain control of Congress and the WH:
1) deep six the filibuster so the GOP minority can’t engage in obstruction.
2) universal healthcare, whether through Medicare-for-all or big expansion of Medicaid in the existing ACA structure, or whatever gets the job done.
3) real immigration reform with expanded numbers so the economy can grow rather than stagnate.
4) Ambitious infrastructure plan to create zero emission energy grid and transportation system, and a cap and trade system so there is a market for negative carbon technology to get the US to zero emissions and below as quickly as feasible.
5) Increase in the minimum wage and institute automatic cost-of-living adjustments and pass Warren’s plan to give labor and communities a voice on corporate boards.
6) Election reform to end gerrymandering (my idea: proportional representation) and institute universal voter registration.
7) Expand the House to 1,000 seats and grant statehood to Puerto Rico, D.C. and the Pacific Islands to reduce the risk that a minority of angry old racists gain control of the government again.
8) Add two seats to SCOTUS so the reactionary five can’t roll back progressive reform from the bench.
Oh, and also drug law reform, prison reform, universal day care and paid parental leave. A guy can dream, right?

Now, pick two.

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Belafon  Sep 25, 2018 • 7:39:52am

re: #315 Big Beautiful Door

Oh, and one more thing, you’re going to need a salesperson as president to get a lot of this stuff through, alsmost a showman. Any ideas?

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makeitstop  Sep 25, 2018 • 7:40:02am

re: #305 dangerman

We call it the cone of humiliation unless they did something specifically shameful to deserve it

…and we’re back.

Stitches came out, the eye is nearly fully healed. The dentist checked her mouth, fully healed and cleared to eat crunchy food if she wants.

The cone has to stay on for another two to three days in case the eye gets itchy. Trixie now thinks I’m a big lying liar, because I told her the cone could come off today. I got a few plaintive meows in the truck on the way home, now she’s not speaking to me at all.

Bad human.

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makeitstop  Sep 25, 2018 • 7:44:06am

re: #316 fern01

As for that “tough round of questions” - the NYTimes dreams. They will see tough questions on Thursday when the dem Senators are asking them.

No, those questions will be ‘harsh,’ ‘obtrusive’ and ‘personal.’ //

Snowflake Kavanaugh will face the most horrible questions in the history of horrible questions, and we will all be told to feel horrible.

He asked for this. If he’s going to be seated on the Supreme Court, those questions had better be as uncomfortable for him as they can be.

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Broad With Sass  Sep 25, 2018 • 7:46:38am

re: #319 makeitstop

No good hooman..making sure furbaby is totally speccatular

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lawhawk  Sep 25, 2018 • 7:47:31am
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retired cynic  Sep 25, 2018 • 7:47:46am

re: #240 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Nothing happened in Europe, either..

I was hearing on NPR this morning that the far right party in Germany is continuing to gain ground very fast, and that the upcoming election in Bavaria could be a real problem for Merkel. Scared me, since I am old enough to remember the times just after WW II.

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makeitstop  Sep 25, 2018 • 7:48:24am

re: #321 Broad With Sass

No good hooman..making sure furbaby is totally speccatular

Thanks. The human guilt is strong today. She wants to be able to walk around without banging into things, and I want that, too. That little cat’s been through a lot in the last month or so.

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Ming5000  Sep 25, 2018 • 7:49:16am

re: #319 makeitstop

The good news is, there are only about 6 waking hours until the cone comes off!

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sagehen  Sep 25, 2018 • 7:54:21am

re: #317 Belafon

Now, pick two.

Expanding the House. It used to grow every decade or two, but when we capped it at 435 the population of the country was 120 million. Less than 1/3 what it is now.

Setting the Supreme Court at one seat per appellate district.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 7:54:33am

re: #323 retired cynic

I was hearing on NPR this morning that the far right party in Germany is continuing to gain ground very fast, and that the upcoming election in Bavaria could be a real problem for Merkel. Scared me, since I am old enough to remember the times just after WW II.

The rise of nationalism scares me. It did not end well last time and it won’t this time.

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:05:17am
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makeitstop  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:06:40am

Papadopoulos is not the shiniest knife in the drawer…

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electrotek  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:07:41am

re: #328 jaunte

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Wanker be projectin’

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:07:52am

re: #328 jaunte

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Yeah that’s why we didn’t need you who is a total laughing stock, is far from great, doesn’t know strategy from his ass and only has two “accomplishments” as President, one of whom was gift wrapped to him by McConnell. And one who has no respect even by his own staff.

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:08:24am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:08:57am

re: #329 makeitstop

Papadopoulos is not the shiniest knife in the drawer…

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Shit Hayden criticized Obama a lot. He’s not some liberal. Papa-D is a fucking dumbshit.

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:12:04am

re: #320 makeitstop

No, those questions will be ‘harsh,’ ‘obtrusive’ and ‘personal.’ //

Snowflake Kavanaugh will face the most horrible questions in the history of horrible questions, and we will all be told to feel horrible.

He asked for this. If he’s going to be seated on the Supreme Court, those questions had better be as uncomfortable for him as they can be.

gee something like what a victim in a, you know, rape case, goes through

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:12:32am
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Belafon  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:13:09am

re: #326 sagehen

Expanding the House. It used to grow every decade or two, but when when we capped it at 435 the population of the country was 120 million. Less than 1/3 what it is now.

Setting the Supreme Court at one seat per appellate district.

And those could be very good selling points. Throw in the fact that gerrymandering will be much toughter with more House Reps.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:13:31am

re: #335 jaunte

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So Donald who should try that Assad guy you just discovered was a terrible guy? You sir are you clearly afraid of facign the consequences for your own criminal actions.

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lawhawk  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:13:47am

re: #326 sagehen

Expanding the House. It used to grow every decade or two, but when when we capped it at 435 the population of the country was 120 million. Less than 1/3 what it is now.

Setting the Supreme Court at one seat per appellate district.

If you want to talk about judiciary reform, we can discuss:

1) adding several new circuits to address population growth since last reorganization.

California and Texas get own circuits. 9th gets split 3 ways; WA, AK, HI becomes one, CA, 2d, and balance becomes 3d. TX splits out of its circuit to form its own.

This means new judges at the federal appellate level too.

2) Expanding the Supreme Court to deal with the GOP ratfuckery in denying Garland a seat. GOP will caterwaul about how Democrats are trying to pack the courts, but this is the GOP’s own doing as they literally denied Democrats ability to seat justices on the federal bench so they could maximize right wingers getting added to the bench instead.

3) Special Counsel law is reaffirmed and with special protections preventing a president from firing them. Additional felony crimes added for attacking special counsel investigation, including via any forum or occasion (the Trump rule).

As for expanding Congress, I think we should look at adjusting the size so that House seats are proportional so that a resident has equivalent electors nationwide.

Wyoming has 1 elector per 189,000 people living there. California has one elector for every 678,000 people. That includes both Senators and Reps. Solution would be to triple the representatives in Congress for California and equalize the per capita electors so that they roughly fall to 1 per 200,000. This would effectively grow the House by several hundred positions, and could be done in the next decennial.

At same time, I’d suggest Puerto Rico, Guam, US VI, and Marshalls each get statehood.

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Belafon  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:13:52am

re: #335 jaunte

No, but I might surrender a leader or two.

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:14:52am
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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:17:25am

re: #317 Belafon

Now, pick two.

Aaaaagh!

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Belafon  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:17:27am

re: #338 lawhawk

I would require the Supreme Court to randomly assign a justice to each district every year so we don’t start a tradition of picking the justice only from that district.

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:17:32am

When Trump threatens that Germany needs to “change course” or be totally dependent on Russia for energy, what is he talking about? Or rather, what does he think he’s talking about?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:18:30am

I keep on thinking about what I call the human factor of economics that people seem to miss when understandably celebrating advances in technology that do lead to automation. Apparently there’s some protests in D.C by the bus drivers over the transition to driverless buses and while I feel that’s a change we could embrace especially if it proves to be efficient, it’s also one we never think about the human cost. I’m not merely talking about the bus drivers that will lose their jobs but also the very simple interactions. Now these are for commercial buses but my uncle whom in retirement has become a school bus driver mainly for sporting events takes a lot of joy of becoming friendly to the high school kids and their families he drives. Hell, he’s even met some of my youngest brothers’ friends and their families without them realizing that. It’s true economies do transition but we need to understand economics is a social science. It impacts people. And I think we miss that sometimes as we celebrate technological advances. Sorry, I know this has nothing to do with Kavanaugh but it was something I’ve been thinking about for awhile. What sort of sparked it though was a cousin talking about her job as a nurse and what a nurse can do. Sure, eventually we might have the tech that replaces many functions of a nurse but there are other things that a nurse can do that no machine can.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:19:04am

re: #340 jaunte

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He’s been saying everyone’s laughing at us for years and then he gets himself laughed at. Yeah Baby Trumpy isn’t going to take that well.

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sagehen  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:19:13am

re: #329 makeitstop

Papadopoulos is not the shiniest knife in the drawer…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:20:35am

re: #342 Belafon

I would require the Supreme Court to randomly assign a justice to each district every year so we don’t start a tradition of picking the justice only from that district.

There’s no way to legally do it but I wish there was some way we could get more judges on SCOTUS who don’t come from the Ivy League set. To Obama’s credit, he started giving us judges of different cultural backgrounds but there’s plenty of quality judges and legal professionals who aren’t Ivies. For someone who promised to drain the swamp, Trump is very much old boys club in his appointments.

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lawhawk  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:20:40am

re: #340 jaunte

None of this is incredible.

Trump lives in his own delusional house of cards. He thinks all this is true because he says it. Reality is that everyone’s laughing at Trump’s easily disproven lies.

They laugh at Trump’s vainglorious egotistical boasting that he’s done more than anyone else (he hasn’t).

They laugh when he makes easily disproven assertions.

They’re laughing at the US - all while crying/cringing at what has become of US world leadership because Russia’s pulling Trump’s strings and everyone else is feeling the sting as Russia continues manipulating events to benefit them and no one else.

China too is filling the vacuum of leadership, and that also gets people worried.

Oh, and I saw that the other day Trump claimed that he got a huge trade deal done with South Korea. Did anyone actually read to see what this huge deal actually includes?

Is it bigger than the TPP, which Trump refused to join? Because had the US stuck with TPP, we’d be in a far better place to counter Chinese trade tactics.

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danarchy  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:20:44am

re: #343 jaunte

When Trump threatens that Germany needs to “change course” or be totally dependent on Russia for energy, what is he talking about? Or rather, what does he think he’s talking about?

He is talking about the planned Nord Stream 2 pipeline from Russia.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:20:50am

re: #328 jaunte

But Tomi Lahren said yesterday that DJT has earned great Respect for Amercia around the world.

And I have to believe her over my own lying eyes.

/

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:22:56am

re: #338 lawhawk

If you want to talk about judiciary reform, we can discuss:

1) adding several new circuits to address population growth since last reorganization.

California and Texas get own circuits. 9th gets split 3 ways; WA, AK, HI becomes one, CA, 2d, and balance becomes 3d. TX splits out of its circuit to form its own.

This means new judges at the federal appellate level too.

2) Expanding the Supreme Court to deal with the GOP ratfuckery in denying Garland a seat. GOP will caterwaul about how Democrats are trying to pack the courts, but this is the GOP’s own doing as they literally denied Democrats ability to seat justices on the federal bench so they could maximize right wingers getting added to the bench instead.

3) Special Counsel law is reaffirmed and with special protections preventing a president from firing them. Additional felony crimes added for attacking special counsel investigation, including via any forum or occasion (the Trump rule).

As for expanding Congress, I think we should look at adjusting the size so that House seats are proportional so that a resident has equivalent electors nationwide.

Wyoming has 1 elector per 189,000 people living there. California has one elector for every 678,000 people. That includes both Senators and Reps. Solution would be to triple the representatives in Congress for California and equalize the per capita electors so that they roughly fall to 1 per 200,000. This would effectively grow the House by several hundred positions, and could be done in the next decennial.

At same time, I’d suggest Puerto Rico, Guam, US VI, and Marshalls each get statehood.

Pretty much what I laid out above!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:23:23am

re: #350 Sir John Barron

But Tomi Lahren said yesterday that DJT has earned great Respect for Amercia around the world.

And I have to believe her over my own lying eyes.

/

Tomi has never left her FNC safe space. I know anecdotal evidence isn’t the best evidence but I literally had someone in Europe tell me something to the effect that it’s hard not to want to laugh at all this. And I totally get that. We as Americans have had this hubris for years that we were divinely chosen rather than a product of happenstance and yes choosing quality leaders.

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lawhawk  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:25:32am
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sagehen  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:26:43am

re: #342 Belafon

I would require the Supreme Court to randomly assign a justice to each district every year so we don’t start a tradition of picking the justice only from that district.

In the early days, it was considered ordinary to have a Southern seat, a New York seat, a frontier seat, etc. Back in the days when political polarization was a lot more about geography than party.

By the mid-20th century, it was “the Jewish seat”, “the Black seat”, “the Catholic seat”, etc.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:28:21am

re: #353 lawhawk

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:28:32am

re: #346 sagehen

Only funny for a moment. It’s dire that people like this don’t know how to think something through, to the point they don’t even know how to recognize that they don’t have basic information they’d need to begin to form an informed opinion. Sort of a Dunning-Kruger ouroboros.

assumes they care that they are made to look stupid with facts (by the libs, etc)

they made their statement
that’s all that matters
and sadly, it’s all that a lot of people will remember

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sagehen  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:29:31am

re: #348 lawhawk

Oh, and I saw that the other day Trump claimed that he got a huge trade deal done with South Korea. Did anyone actually read to see what this huge deal actually includes?

Is it bigger than the TPP, which Trump refused to join? Because had the US stuck with TPP, we’d be in a far better place to counter Chinese trade tactics.

It’s the old trade deal, with a few minor edits. But apparently it’s unpopular in South Korea, because Everything Trump Touches Dies.

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stpaulbear  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:30:25am

re: #353 lawhawk

I hope that a LOT of people are calling Murkowski to thank her for making that statement. I hope she sticks to it.

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:30:56am

see what china did?

electoral-vote.com

But it is unprecedented for a country to campaign in Iowa. No longer. China is now active in Iowa politics. On Sunday, China Daily, the Chinese government’s official newspaper, bought a four-page section in the Des Moines Register and ran articles on why Donald Trump’s tariffs have resulted in China turning to South America instead of Iowa for its soybeans

targeted
focused

brilliant

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Jay C  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:33:01am

re: #345 HappyWarrior

He’s been saying everyone’s laughing at us for years and then he gets himself laughed at. Yeah Baby Trumpy isn’t going to take that well.

I disagree: Trump is probably more likely to use the negative UN reaction to his bullshit as “proof” that he - HE ALONE - is “standing up for America” and “hanging tough” and putting those weenie globalist foreigners “in their place”. Of course, he’ll be spouting this BS line at one of his Nuremburg campaign rallies to wild cheering from the MAGA crown (paid or volunteer), but the basic principle is still the same: Trump and his enablers eagerly embrace the scorn of foreigners: it assures the unthinking jingoistic base that “he must be doing something right”.

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:33:47am

re: #357 sagehen

It’s the old trade deal, with a few minor edits. But apparently it’s unpopular in South Korea, because Everything Trump Touches Dies.

apparently the big change was raising limit of cars that don’t meet Korean safety standards that U.S. companies could sell there. Koreans dont buy a lot of american cars so its meaningless

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lawhawk  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:37:29am
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Sir John Barron  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:38:50am

re: #360 Jay C

I disagree: Trump is probably more likely to use the negative UN reaction to his bullshit as “proof” that he - HE ALONE - is “standing up for America” and “hanging tough” and putting those weenie globalist foreigners “in their place”. Of course, he’ll be spouting this BS line at one of his Nuremburg campaign rallies to wild cheering from the MAGA crown (paid or volunteer), but the basic principle is still the same: Trump and his enablers eagerly embrace the scorn of foreigners: it assures the unthinking jingoistic base that “he must be doing something right”.

Yeah, it’s heads he wins, tails we lose.

The ICC was about to go into the Heartland and start arresting Americans willy-nilly like they did under Obama but MAGA president stopped them! /

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:41:18am

re: #362 lawhawk

Trump, Kavanaugh, Weinstein, and other privileged white guys have avoided this fate for far too long.

more and more these days framing and word choice matters

for me, they have not avoided anything

they have evaded

AND they think and behave as if not getting caught is the same as ‘i didnt do it’

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:41:49am

re: #362 lawhawk

A lengthy prison sentence, but Cosby doesn’t have a lot of years left in him.

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sagehen  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:42:17am

re: #338 lawhawk

At same time, I’d suggest Puerto Rico, Guam, US VI, and Marshalls each get statehood.

US Virgin Islands is too small for a state (100,000 people). They can share the state of Caribbea with Puerto Rico.

Guam, Marianas and Samoa would be the combined state of Pacifica. Because Oceania is already in use as the name for a bunch of islands that aren’t all ours.

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Jay C  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:43:34am

re: #349 danarchy

re: #343 jaunte

When Trump threatens that Germany needs to “change course” or be totally dependent on Russia for energy, what is he talking about? Or rather, what does he think he’s talking about?

He is talking about the planned Nord Stream 2 pipeline from Russia.

ISTR reading somewhere recently that Germany had achieved its goal for 2018 by getting X% (40%? 45%?) of its energy production from renewable sources: and that their goals for the future are even higher: is that enough of a “course change”?
Oh, and I also STR that German anxieties about being dependent on Russia for their natural gas supplies date back many years (to the first time the Russians threatened them - in the winter - with a cutback over some political issue or other. Hence their diligent (and apparently somewhat successful) search for alternative energy sources.
So IOW, it’s Trump being stuck in the past, again - and not knowing what he’s talking about?
No wonder they laugh at him….

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mmmirele  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:45:03am

re: #363 Sir John Barron

Yeah, it’s heads he wins, tails we lose.

The ICC was about to go into the Heartland and start arresting Americans willy-nilly like they did under Obama but MAGA president stopped them! /

Not /… there are people who probably should not go to Europe or Latin America, like Kirstjen Nielsen, who heads up family separation as DHS secretary.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:47:23am

The way I look at is this and I grant you this is an extreme comparison since I’m about to talk genocide and murder but it’s no different from how Nazi war criminals or murderers from the Civil Rights era evaded(props to DM, that word fits here) capture or notice for years. It still fucking happened. Their victims were still impacted. But I keep on going back to that the point I saw made about how if it’s brought to the attention when the sexual assaulter is a young man, there’s concerned about HIS future. If it happened in the past, then there’s well it’s in the past, why not let it go? All the while, no one cared about the vic’s present. Professor Ford’s friends have shared that she has multiple exits from her room. This is something she still lives with 35 years later. In that same time, Kavanaugh has gone to Yale where he acted equally gross to women, to the Starr team where he was known to want every last vivid sexual detail, to the Bush campaign team and then to the Bush WH, then to the District Court, and now he has the ultimate reward for his career in the balance. He hasn’t faced any kind of accountability until now. Indeed, much of his professional life has been filled with flattery and pleasing others in his own attempts to get where he is now. He has no guilt about how he’s treated people. I don’t know if you could bring him to trial at this point but at the very least, he doesn’t deserve a lifelong appointment to SCOTUS where he will judge the fates of others.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:48:05am

re: #365 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

A lengthy prison sentence, but Cosby doesn’t have a lot of years left in him.

I give him 5 years tops.

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stpaulbear  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:49:45am

Via Balloon Juice.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:51:37am

re: #371 stpaulbear

Via Balloon Juice.

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They really think this is all one big fucking joke but yet they were acting like Bill Clinton’s consensual affair with Monica was the downfall of us all. I’ll take Hypocritical Pricks for 1000, Alex.

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Interesting Times  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:54:01am

Ooooh, that’s going to cause some heads to asplode:

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makeitstop  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:54:45am

LOL at ‘Sarah Huckabee Sandwich.’ Molly cracks me up.

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austin_blue  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:56:23am

re: #365 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

A lengthy prison sentence, but Cosby doesn’t have a lot of years left in him.

I don’t care, do U?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:56:35am

re: #374 makeitstop

LOL at ‘Sarah Huckabee Sandwich.’ Molly cracks me up.

Wait till he tells ‘em how many electric colleges he won.

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Belafon  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:56:59am

re: #371 stpaulbear

Via Balloon Juice.

For the visually challenged - no can see twitter pictures at work - what’s in the picture?

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:57:01am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:58:06am

re: #374 makeitstop

LOL at ‘Sarah Huckabee Sandwich.’ Molly cracks me up.

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He always makes these absurd claims. Kind of like how he claimed last night that Kavanaugh would be one of the greatest members of SCOTUS ever. I mean damn I get that he’s standing by him but it’s always one extreme or the other with him.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:58:31am

Ok, Murkowski, back up your call for an investigation with a pledge to vote against confirmation unless/until such FBI investigation is finished.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:58:49am

re: #378 jaunte

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McConnell deserves a good kick in his little McConnell for the shit he’s done over the years. After Trump, there’s no one more responsible for our country’s shape.

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makeitstop  Sep 25, 2018 • 8:58:53am

re: #377 Belafon

For the visually challenged - no can see twitter pictures at work - what’s in the picture?

A reiteration of the ‘Ruth Bader Ginsburg says Abraham Lincoln grabbed her ass’ alleged joke.

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MsJ  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:02:41am

re: #376 Sir John Barron

Wait till he tells ‘em how many electric colleges he won.

With pictures!

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Interesting Times  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:02:45am

re: #378 jaunte

Who is he addressing as “Madam President”?

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:04:58am

re: #384 Interesting Times

President pro tempore of the Senate; I’m not sure who was there.

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stpaulbear  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:07:12am

re: #377 Belafon

For the visually challenged - no can see twitter pictures at work - what’s in the picture?

It’s a picture of RBJ with the heading “Abraham Lincoln grabbed my ass in 1862”.

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Jay C  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:08:24am

re: #386 stpaulbear

It’s a picture of RBJ with the heading “Abraham Lincoln grabbed my ass in 1862”.

Courtesy of the Milwaukee County GOP.

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lawhawk  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:10:50am
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sagehen  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:12:13am

re: #371 stpaulbear

Via Balloon Juice.

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speaking of RBG… there’s an article in the new Vanity Fair about the biopic coming out next month (her nephew wrote the script; she’s participating in the media promotion) — the way she got with her husband is super-cute.

She and her then-boyfriend were part of the same friend-group with him, hung out together a lot. And one day during a game of charades, she thought to herself “He is not so clever. Marty is the man I should marry.” Then she did.

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:17:38am
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Eventual Carrion  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:18:51am

re: #390 jaunte

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Sounds like a way to sow seeds … of discontent.

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austin_blue  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:21:59am

re: #380 Mike Lamb

Ok, Murkowski, back up your call for an investigation with a pledge to vote against confirmation unless/until such FBI investigation is finished.

I wonder what BK is going to come up with if he makes it to the Full Senate for confirmation?

Will his opening statement include “This process has been nothing short of a high-tech WICK-ing*!”

* = White Irish Catholic Kavanaugh-ing

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Sir John Barron  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:23:19am

re: #388 lawhawk

I wonder what DJT’s idea of ‘corrupt’ is? They don’t like him?

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:29:06am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:32:34am

re: #394 jaunte

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Kelsey if you actually believe he was a virgin, you’re even more gullible than Trump believing Putin didn’t interfere. And besides I thought virginity was nothing to be ashamed of if you’re pure. Or maybe Augh is just a fucking liar who made up the virgin story to try to deflect. But nah that can’t be it, Judge Dickface would never lie!

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Mike Lamb  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:33:14am

re: #394 jaunte

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He had to “out” himself? No. He said he was a virgin in a completely bullshit attempt to conflate his purported lack of sexual activity with an argument that he couldn’t be a sexual predator. The idea that if the first was true (unlikely given everything we know about this group of friends), then the assault couldn’t have happened makes no sense whatsoever.

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:33:15am

re: #395 HappyWarrior

Conservatives are very mixed up about sex.

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:34:02am

Pride/shame/pride/shame/pride/shame

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:34:18am
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jaunte  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:35:28am

Next Aughbrett is going to have to out himself as a high school teetotaler.

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stpaulbear  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:39:03am

re: #400 jaunte

If you started drinking before you turned 18, then you were included in the exception too.

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danarchy  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:39:15am

re: #400 jaunte

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Next Aughbrett is going to have to out himself as a high school teetotaler.

Not sure what this proves, he said he had 18 year old friends who brought the beer and they were grandfathered in when the age was raised.

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:39:18am
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gocart mozart  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:40:07am
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gocart mozart  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:40:32am
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Belafon  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:40:55am
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Eventual Carrion  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:41:59am

re: #405 gocart mozart

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She has the outline for it pretty well solidified I see.

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gocart mozart  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:44:04am
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Belafon  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:46:54am

Catch this NYT exchange between Gail Collins and Brett Stephens (a climate change denier) about Cruz:

Bret: I share your enthusiasm for the Texas Senate race, for a couple of small reasons and one very big one. Small reasons: I like Beto O’Rourke, the Democratic challenger, and I like the idea that Texas can turn a bit purple if you have a candidate with energy, wit and a human touch.

The big reason is that I despise Ted Cruz. That is “D-e-s-p-i-s-e,” in case I haven’t spelled out my loathing clearly enough. Would you like to know why?

Gail: Oh, gosh, please go on.

Bret: Because he’s like a serpent covered in Vaseline. Because he treats the American people like two-bit suckers in 10-gallon hats. Because he sucks up to the guy who insulted his wife — by retweet, no less. Because of his phony piety and even phonier principles. Because I see him as the spiritual love child of the 1980s televangelist Jimmy Swaggart and Jack Nicholson’s character in “The Shining.” Because his ethics are purely situational. Because he makes Donald Trump look like a human being by comparison. Because “New York values.” Because his fellow politicians detest him, and that’s just among Republicans. Because he never got over being the smartest kid in eighth grade. Because he’s conniving enough to try to put one over you, but not perceptive enough to realize that you see right through him. Because he’s the type of man who would sell his family into slavery if that’s what it took to get elected. And that he would use said slavery as a sob story to get himself re-elected.

Otherwise, you might say I’m his No. 1 fan.

Gail: Well, O.K. Not much I can add on that end.

h/t dailykos.com

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Belafon  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:47:28am
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Kilroy was here  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:49:21am

re: #406 Belafon

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electrotek  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:49:29am

re: #410 Belafon

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He’s a stand up guy himself, respect.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:54:22am

re: #410 Belafon

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I get why Beto is expected to say that, but I wholeheartedly disagree. Respect is earned, not given. These assholes should ne shamed back to the Stone Age.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:54:49am

re: #410 Belafon

This is why I’m not in politics. He’s more of a gentleman than I ever will be.

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stpaulbear  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:54:52am

re: #410 Belafon

Beto O’Rourke

@BetoORourke

US Senate candidate, TX
Not right that Senator Cruz and his wife Heidi were surrounded and forced to leave a restaurant last night because of protesters. The Cruz family should be treated with respect.

As long as children are being held in detention camps, I’d say protest them everywhere.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:54:56am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:55:19am
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Interesting Times  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:55:40am

Damn, this cartoon is way too disturbingly accurate:

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:55:57am

Some interesting points here about Bork’s “Originalism.”

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Interesting Times  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:56:18am

re: #410 Belafon

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Bleh. I hate the fact he has to say this. GOPers would never, ever in a million years do the same for Dems (or anyone else they perceive as an “enemy.”)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:58:19am

re: #419 jaunte

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Some interesting points here about Bork’s “Originalism.”

He also got a hearing, something Garland never got. Fuck Bork and those attempting to make him a legal giant.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:59:02am

re: #420 Interesting Times

Bleh. I hate the fact he has to say this. GOPers would never, ever in a million years do the same for Dems (or anyone else they perceive as an “enemy.”)

Because they’d be the ones encouraging it.

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Kilroy was here  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:59:31am

re: #419 jaunte

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Some interesting points here about Bork’s “Originalism.”

Leave King Tut Alone!

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makeitstop  Sep 25, 2018 • 9:59:33am
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ObserverArt  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:08:20am

re: #379 HappyWarrior

He always makes these absurd claims. Kind of like how he claimed last night that Kavanaugh would be one of the greatest members of SCOTUS ever. I mean damn I get that he’s standing by him but it’s always one extreme or the other with him.

Used car salesman tactics. Or con artist…take your pick.

Even getting to the highest office in our country doesn’t take the low down business man scammer out of Trump.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:15:09am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:15:53am

re: #426 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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But Trump knows more than the generals./

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:19:32am

re: #424 makeitstop

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Kavanaugh is now pretending to be a victim, to DARVO his victim Dr. Ford. But the victim I feel most sympathy for is Renate. Until now, she — and the country — were totally unaware of the contempt that the Georgetown boys felt for her and how they, in essence, humiliated her in 1983. Now she knows — and now she is being humiliated throughout the country. I cannot imagine how she must feel for her friends and family of today to discover her high school reputation.

Kavanaugh is an evil man.

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:20:42am

re: #424 makeitstop

Perhaps Brett Kavanaugh was a virgin for many years after high school. But he claimed otherwise in a conversation with me during our freshman year in Lawrance Hall at Yale, in the living room of my suite.

they are digging for patient zero, though patient zero doesn’t always know they are
(in both contexts)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:23:58am

re: #428 Hecuba’s daughter

Kavanaugh is now pretending to be a victim, to DARVO his victim Dr. Ford. But the victim I feel most sympathy for is Renate. Until now, she — and the country — were totally unaware of the contempt that the Georgetown boys felt for her and how they, in essence, humiliated her in 1983. Now she knows — and now she is being humiliated throughout the country. I cannot imagine how she must feel for her friends and family of today to discover her high school reputation.

Kavanaugh is an evil man.

He really is. He doesn’t deserve scotus just like he didn’t deserve his current job.

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wrenchwench  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:26:08am

re: #419 jaunte

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Some interesting points here about Bork’s “Originalism.”

I now have my ‘phrase of the day’ from that article:

performative moral certainty

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:26:10am

re: #426 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Missy Ryan
@missy_ryan
As @realDonaldTrump was thanking Kim Jong Un for his courage at the UN, his nominee to lead US forces on the peninsula described him (at his confirmation hearing) as a dictatorial leader who uses purges and executions as a central tool 4 staying in power. #NorthKorea

No contradiction here: Trump would love to assume the mantle of dictator; he certainly intends to purge anyone in the administration or executive branch who disagrees with him and he probably admires the Kim’s power to execute any dissenter. A power he would like to acquire.

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MsJ  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:26:48am

re: #403 jaunte

Damn….that’s some thread.

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Skip Intro  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:27:14am

re: #432 Hecuba’s daughter

That’s what the plan is.

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BeenHereAwhile  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:27:19am

re: #57 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The real goal is remove the Johnson Amendment from the US tax Code.

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William Lewis  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:30:29am

re: #410 Belafon

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I’m sorry sir, but Mr. & Mrs. Cruz were treated with more respect than they deserved. Frankly, pine tar and a feather pillow would have been appropriate.

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wrenchwench  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:31:17am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:31:56am

re: #436 William Lewis

I’m sorry sir, but Mr. & Mrs. Cruz were treated with more respect than they deserved. Frankly, pine tar and a feather pillow would have been appropriate.

I do appreciate that he’s trying to take the higher ground but at the same time, this is a guy literally trying to use McCarthy tactics on him.

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:32:45am
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MsJ  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:34:17am

re: #419 jaunte

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Some interesting points here about Bork’s “Originalism.”

I have to admit that I have a major crush on Ian Millhiser. I especially love him because he has gone full Fuck This Shit.

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steve_davis  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:34:23am

re: #46 HappyWarrior

TBH I thought the Republican Party had shown its low point. Nope they did it again. This is it.

Don’t say that. They’ll take it as a “hold my beer” challenge.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:34:38am

re: #436 William Lewis

I’m sorry sir, but Mr. & Mrs. Cruz were treated with more respect than they deserved. Frankly, pine tar and a feather pillow would have been appropriate.

Rafael deserves all the mockery and contempt from the public; but I don’t think Mrs. Cruz deserves the same treatment. Yes, she has stayed with him so far — but often people place the well-being of their children above their own and it’s possible she believes an intact family is best for their children.

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wrenchwench  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:36:46am

re: #436 William Lewis

I’m sorry sir, but Mr. & Mrs. Cruz were treated with more respect than they deserved. Frankly, pine tar and a feather pillow would have been appropriate.

He was very specific: The Cruz family should be treated with respect. I believe that leaves out Senator Cruz.

Dammit, jaunte, you type and paste too fast.

zeddy @Zeddary

you see the shade he’s throwing here, right?

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MsJ  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:36:57am

re: #439 jaunte

you see the shade he’s throwing here, right?

No. I don’t. Can someone explain?

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MsJ  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:37:37am

re: #443 wrenchwench

He was very specific: The Cruz family should be treated with respect. I believe that leaves out Senator Cruz.

Dammit, jaunte, you type and paste too fast.

Ah. Thanks.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:38:04am

I’m tired of hearing what a great guy Brett Kavanaugh is from people who aren’t great people themselves. And goddamn I’m tired of hearing the whining about Bork. It wasn’t just Democrats that thought Bork was too extreme for SCOTUS. And oyu know what, he fucking was, he a was a right activist disguising himself as a scholar. As that article got at, he was very selective. Pretty damn funny if you ask me that the two most controversial SCOTUS nominees of our era were both Republican partisans but the right has the nerve to act like they want the courts to be “impartial.”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:38:45am

re: #443 wrenchwench

He was very specific: The Cruz family should be treated with respect. I believe that leaves out Senator Cruz.

Dammit, jaunte, you type and paste too fast.

Ahhh I didn’t catch that. Clever.

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:40:21am

The Cruz family, including Cruz senior, should be defended from scurrilous accusations that they were involved in JKF’s death. Or suggestions that Heidi Cruz is physically unattractive.

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:41:15am

So much shade, such an economy of words.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:43:48am
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wrenchwench  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:44:26am

re: #449 jaunte

So much shade, such an economy of words.

I want to Be Beto.

I guess I should say; I want to be Beta.

Let’s not go into Bet@ nor Betx. Pretty soon we’d be in Brexit.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:45:22am

re: #448 jaunte

The Cruz family, including Cruz senior, should be defended from scurrilous accusations that they were involved in JKF’s death. Or suggestions that Heidi Cruz is physically unattractive.

I can’t stand Rafael Cruz but I defend him whenever the JFK thing is brought up. It says a lot about Ted that he stands by with the man who accused his father of such a thing. Some of the political attacks Trump made, yeah you understand, it’s just politics but murdering a beloved President? JFC. And yeah the very nasty attacks on his wife which Cruz made some on Melania too.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:45:54am

re: #450 Patricia Kayden

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In other words, fuck the truth, let’s get Blackout Brett on the bench! These guys are such craven assholes.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:47:56am

Kavanagh appears to be one of the hills the GOP has chosen to die on.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:48:24am

If Kavanaugh is telling the truth about being a virgin (or is it a born again virgin?) during his school years, he would never admit it to his friends in high school or college. That would subject him to merciless mockery. So he would certainly lie to his classmates about his experience.

Of course, given he has been a perjurer in his adult life, his comments during the interview, when he wasn’t under oath, shouldn’t be taken seriously.

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:48:45am
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Patricia Kayden  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:50:27am

re: #454 Eclectic Cyborg

Kavanagh appears to be one of the hills the GOP has chosen to die on.

Joe Scarborough was hinting this morning that there may not be a blue wave. I assume that Trump and other Republicans are operating under that belief.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:52:25am

re: #456 jaunte

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Exactly.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:54:37am
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:54:41am

re: #457 Patricia Kayden

Joe Scarborough was hinting this morning that there may not be a blue wave. I assume that Trump and other Republicans are operating under that belief.

If there isn’t a blue wave, this country is royally screwed. Gerrymandering certainly could prevent a blue wave, and let’s not forget our Russian friends who may already have inserted code to tamper with election results.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:55:29am

I mean I’ll be the first to admit here especially in college. I did drink stupidly. I blacked out. I said and did shit that I don’t remember at times or if I did remember it, it was something I was embarrassed by. I’m trying to make my 30’s a better way of living than my 20’s by drinking less, exercising more, and taking better care of my mind and being mindful of other people.

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wrenchwench  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:56:27am

re: #454 Eclectic Cyborg

Kavanagh appears to be one of the hills the GOP has chosen to die on.

That’s how important their funders see the Supreme Court as being. Roe is the one they talk about. I suspect that the potential loss of Citizens United is the one that keeps them awake.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:58:00am

re: #462 wrenchwench

That’s how important their funders see the Supreme Court as being. Roe is the one they talk about. I suspect that the potential loss of Citizens United is the one that keeps them awake.

That’s the one that Mitch really fears. He doesn’t care about Roe except as a cynical tool to rile up the RR.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:58:37am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:58:47am

Say Roe does get overturned. That’s one big thing that keeps the RR with the Republican Party gone.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:58:53am

re: #462 wrenchwench

That’s how important their funders see the Supreme Court as being. Roe is the one they talk about. I suspect that the potential loss of Citizens United is the one that keeps them awake.

You are right — many of the funders don’t care about Roe at all; it’s the decisions supporting corporations and denying voting rights to minorities that they are eager to retain.

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sagehen  Sep 25, 2018 • 10:59:25am

re: #456 jaunte

How difficult is it to say: “Look, I drank a lot in high school and college. I did a lot of stuff I’m not proud of, some of which I might not even remember. I’m genuinely sorry to anyone I hurt. I’m a different man today.”

Come to think of it, that’s almost exactly what GWB said during his campaign (he admitted the drinking had gone on to about age 30)… and it didn’t stop him from becoming president.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 11:00:05am

re: #464 goddamnedfrank

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Not Joe the Non Plumber and Ken Bone who should have been playing Tobias Funke at cosplaying contests, Diamond & Silk. All lame attempts to make “average” Americans out to be some oracles that they weren’t.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 25, 2018 • 11:01:10am
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gocart mozart  Sep 25, 2018 • 11:01:41am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 11:03:34am

re: #469 goddamnedfrank

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He’s a show man. I believe him and his clients but I wish he’d be more professional. It makes it seem like it’s all about him which he’s proving it is by saying he’s going to run for President.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 11:03:48am

re: #470 gocart mozart

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A Flock of Morons.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 25, 2018 • 11:05:01am

re: #426 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

dictatorial leader who uses purges and executions as a central tool 4 staying in power.

Yeah but he didn’t say those things as if they were bad things.

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2018 • 11:06:17am

These people are sub human

Rep. Kevin Cramer (R-ND), who is running for Senate against Sen. Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND), told Valley News Live suggested that the sexual misconduct allegations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh are not disqualifying “even if it’s all true.”

Said Cramer: “Even if it’s all true, does it disqualify him? It certainly means that he did something really bad 36 years ago, but does it disqualify him from the Supreme Court?”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2018 • 11:07:36am

re: #474 dangerman

These people are sub human

Rep. Kevin Cramer (R-ND), who is running for Senate against Sen. Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND), told Valley News Live suggested that the sexual misconduct allegations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh are not disqualifying “even if it’s all true.”

Said Cramer: “Even if it’s all true, does it disqualify him? It certainly means that he did something really bad 36 years ago, but does it disqualify him from the Supreme Court?”

You Mr. Cramer belong to a party who doesn’t even think people who do theri time in prison should be able to vote but think it’s perfectly fine to put such a man on the bench. Heidi Heidencamp thanks you though. You’re making her re-election a lot easier by being a complete dinosaur who shouldn’t be anywhere enar women. I pity your wife and any women in your life.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 25, 2018 • 11:08:35am

re: #472 HappyWarrior

A Flock of Morons.

Followed by a Gaggle of Goose-steppers

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Sir John Barron  Sep 25, 2018 • 11:12:29am

re: #474 dangerman

These people are sub human

Rep. Kevin Cramer (R-ND), who is running for Senate against Sen. Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND), told Valley News Live suggested that the sexual misconduct allegations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh are not disqualifying “even if it’s all true.”

Said Cramer: “Even if it’s all true, does it disqualify him? It certainly means that he did something really bad 36 years ago, but does it disqualify him from the Supreme Court?”

“Look, is he a conservative now, a True Blue American Patriot Conservative? Then all’s good.”

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gocart mozart  Sep 25, 2018 • 11:16:50am
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steve_davis  Sep 25, 2018 • 11:39:37am

re: #59 freetoken

Just for giggles, here is one of my posts from 2009:

i’m always impressed when someone calling for genocide uses the correct form of “who/whom.” And it was an easy one to have bobbled there.

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InTheWeeds  Sep 25, 2018 • 11:50:52am

re: #13 Charles Johnson

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Rachel Maddow seemed a bit uncomfortable with Avenatti.

Yeah, it was pretty forced. I don’t like Avenatti at all. Yes, he’s smart. Yes, he’s brought a lot of useful information to the public view. On the other hand, he’s an opportunist and a sensationalist. His manipulative approach to the release of information, to me, screams reality TV. He’s clearly building a brand. The idea that he’s floating his name for the presidency just turns my stomach. He’s a younger, smarter, attractive Trump - just as smarmy but better at getting away with it.

I wonder if Rachel actually wanted to interview him or if she was pushed into it. She doesn’t traffic in those kinds of interviews and she didn’t seem to relish it.

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steve_davis  Sep 25, 2018 • 11:56:33am

re: #113 HappyWarrior

I personally don’t believe anyone should be denied service unless they’re causing a disruption but I really have no sympathy for a hack like Cruz who does the shit he does and thinks he should be just ignored by the public.

Ostracism is an age-old, valuable method of dealing with asses.


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