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goddamnedfrank  Sep 25, 2018 • 11:48:30pm

From end of last thread.

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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2018 • 11:54:00pm

“We’re a laughing stock! Nobody takes us seriously! Obama has reduced America to a joke!”

*Whole of UN laughs at Trump’s boasts*

“…he meant that as a joke.”

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:00:56am
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:14:29am

The Republican plan to have a single expert question both Kavanaugh and Ford gives them an overwhelming advantage: she can prepare consistent questions and adapt quickly to reflect responses. The Democrats will each have only 5 minutes each to ask their questions with no possibility of followup. This structure is designed to showcase the Republican argument supporting Kavanaugh and, in effect, silence the Democratic position which will be too fragmented to be effective.

Maybe we will be fortunate and Kavanaugh will be forced to withdraw before Thursday’s circus.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:14:54am

I’m so old I remember when the US practiced diplomacy.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 26, 2018 • 1:02:17am
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Single-handed sailor  Sep 26, 2018 • 1:16:32am
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Teukka  Sep 26, 2018 • 1:54:17am

Update on the raid re: Money laundering and tax crimes in Finland… So this happened…

Thread is interesting…

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wheat-dogg  Sep 26, 2018 • 4:26:45am

It’s braying about the economy again.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 26, 2018 • 4:38:47am

Here’s a more intelligent speaker addressing the UN General Assembly.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 26, 2018 • 4:57:35am

re: #4 Hecuba’s daughter

The Republican plan to have a single expert question both Kavanaugh and Ford gives them an overwhelming advantage: she can prepare consistent questions and adapt quickly to reflect responses. The Democrats will each have only 5 minutes each to ask their questions with no possibility of followup. This structure is designed to showcase the Republican argument supporting Kavanaugh and, in effect, silence the Democratic position which will be too fragmented to be effective.

Maybe we will be fortunate and Kavanaugh will be forced to withdraw before Thursday’s circus.

Or Dr. Ford draws blood.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 5:23:03am

re: #3 Single-handed sailor

And yet, they don’t seem to understand that the world can just decide to ignore us.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 5:27:16am

re: #12 Belafon

And yet, they don’t seem to understand that the world can just decide to ignore us.

And they can. And it will impact us not only economically but perception wise. For a guy who loved to claim no one respected us under Obama, Trump is doing everything to undermine our image abroad.

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Lupin  Sep 26, 2018 • 5:27:54am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 5:29:56am

re: #1 goddamnedfrank

From end of last thread.

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That sounds right to me. My problem is how he feels the need to lie about his past. His people are seriously saying the Renata alumnus was just for guys who dated or went to dances with her. I’m sorry but that’s absurd and she knows that. From what I gather Kavanaugh is what is called a functioning drunk.

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Lupin  Sep 26, 2018 • 5:31:18am

The joys of reading The Guardian this morning:

As the odds of a cliff’s edge Brexit increase, May tries to sell the UK as a new Singapore (and fails) while the EU steps up plans to do without the UK. Acciording to a poll of 1300 UK business, 1 in 10 will likely go bankrupt.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 5:34:38am

re: #16 Lupin

The joys of reading The Guardian this morning:

As the odds of a cliff’s edge Brexit increase, May tries to sell the UK as a new Singapore (and fails) while the EU steps up plans to do without the UK. Acciording to a poll of 1300 UK business, 1 in 10 will likely go bankrupt.

Both us and the Brits really fucked our selves by falling for fake populist bs like Trumpism and Brexit.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 26, 2018 • 5:35:08am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 5:39:47am

re: #18 Dave In Austin

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Just saw that. Can’t wait to hear how they’re all liars but the guy who has been evasive to say the least isn’t.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 26, 2018 • 5:52:31am

Bot traffic today is off the wall……..

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Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2018 • 5:52:43am

re: #19 HappyWarrior

Just saw that. Can’t wait to hear how they’re all liars but the guy who has been evasive to say the least isn’t.

We’ll be told that they’re not direct witnesses to the event, so their testimony cannot be entered.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 5:54:57am

re: #21 Targetpractice

We’ll be told that they’re not direct witnesses to the event, so their testimony cannot be entered.

Yep. We’ve got another person that says she told her about it before Augh was in the news though. Anyhow one more day before the hearings. Wonder if anything else drops.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 26, 2018 • 5:59:49am

The Friday Night Toilet Flushes are coming at an hourly rate…

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:01:25am

‘Morning, Lizards,

So how goes the Sex War?

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Sufficient unto the day...  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:03:21am

re: #24 makeitstop

‘Morning, Lizards,

So how goes the Sex War?

The enemy thrust deep into our rear areas.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:03:28am

re: #24 makeitstop

‘Morning, Lizards,

So how goes the Sex War?

No end in sight.

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jeffreyw  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:06:34am

Squirrel!
On it.

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Good morning!

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MsJ  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:08:10am
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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:08:36am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

Trump’s clown show continues with rave reviews from Trumpworld and the Fox agitprop experts, and no one else.

His claims about sovereignty and globalism went over like a lead balloon at the UN, but that wasn’t his intended audience.

It was his reactionary/regressive know nothing GOP base that laps up everything he says no matter how insane or factually wrong he is.

China benefits from Trump’s trade wars. Russia benefits from the US screwing our allies and trading partners. Russia benefits from a weaker EU and UK thanks to the Brexit bulkshit.

Kavanaugh is an awful nominee, and had Trump done a proper vetting, they would have known this was the likely outcome. Either they didn’t know and don’t care, or they knew, and don’t care. Either way, they want Kavanaugh because they like his approach to executive power and all the rest that comes with being a right wing extremist.

Everyone else, especially women, minorities, workers, and the environment, will suffer for it.

And there are still more scandals coming out - not just about Kavanaugh, but about DHS. Turns out that they did have a forcible separation policy that Trumpworld put in place, which means DHS Nielsen and John Kelly are on the hook - especially Nielsen for lying to Congress.

Not that the GOP controlled Congress will do anything about any of this. They know two things- their base wont like it, and that Trump can’t find anyone else to fill those positions. With midterms just over a month away, they are potentially screwed in so many ways, but can always fall back on knowing that a plurality of Americans don’t vote and that their vote suppression and gerrymandering efforts have paid dividends.

Even McConnell is more than willing to trade control of Congress for packing and stacking the courts with right wing extremists who will tear down the safety net and gut civil/voting rights while rolling back Roe and Griswold.

McConnell see the courts as the ultimate prize, and has gamed things to the GOP’s benefit - and the nation’s detriment.

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:08:46am

re: #24 makeitstop

‘Morning, Lizards,

So how goes the Sex War?

I hate to count on it, but I hope Michael Avenatti can at least cause enough of an outrage with a new revelation that it further upsets the women of America and they threaten to castrate Mitch McConnell, Chuck Grassley and Orrin Hatch.

The other hope I have is Professor Ford is a powerful, composed and extremely sharp accuser and makes the “ringer” lawyer/mercenary look bad.

What a time.

Hmmm. The three GOP Senators I mention seem to be to the point they might just go along with castration if they can get Trump’s boy on the court.

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:09:13am

re: #25 Sufficient unto the day…

The enemy thrust deep into our rear areas.

We’re fighting a rear guard action until reinforcements come. Gird yourselves.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:14:42am

re: #28 MsJ

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The Republicans will get away with gutting Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid because their Bullshit Machine will convince seniors that it’s Obama’s fault.

Just as Reagan blamed Carter for the 1983 Amendments that cut Social Security benefits by raining the retirement age and means testing benefits and Dumbya blamed Clinton for the Pill Bill that means tested Medicare premiums.

But Seniors will be convinced by the Usual Suspects that the Democrats did this.

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MsJ  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:17:58am

OMG.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:20:52am

JFC

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:24:14am

More Yalies are thinking ‘What kind of asshole are we supporting here?’ and jumping off the train, so to speak.

Yale Law School graduates Kent Sinclair, Douglas Rutzen and Mark Osler, all of whom previously signed a letter attesting to Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh’s virtue, are now pushing for an investigation into the accusations against him, according to a Tuesday Washington Post report.

“The confirmation process should be conducted in a way that fosters trust in the process and the Supreme Court, and that seriously considers allegations of sexual violence,” Sinclair told the Washington Post.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:24:18am

re: #24 makeitstop

‘Morning, Lizards,

So how goes the Sex War?

Got its ups and downs

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:25:27am

re: #36 Eventual Carrion

Got its ups and downs

We’re evaluating the ins and outs of the process.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:27:29am
Fact-checking President Trump’s speech to the U.N. General Assembly

WHY?

Searching for facts in a trump speech is like analyzing the plot of a porno.

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:29:59am

re: #37 lawhawk

We’re evaluating the ins and outs of the process.

The Republicans are not meeting the needs of America.

Time for a divorce from an unloving and unhappy relationship.

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:30:23am

re: #38 I Would Prefer Not To

WHY?

Searching for facts in a trump speech is like analyzing the plot of a porno.

He comes, she goes. /thanks, I’ll show myself out.

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:32:04am

re: #33 MsJ

OMG.

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Just be happy you got a damn letter from The Greatest President Ever, you ungrateful people!!!

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:32:29am

re: #25 Sufficient unto the day…

re: #26 I Would Prefer Not To

re: #31 lawhawk

re: #36 Eventual Carrion

I tee ‘em up, you guys knock ‘em down.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:35:22am

re: #33 MsJ

OMG.

Good dog now the kids and their pesky parents want the letters they get from POTUS to be relevant to their kid’s achievements?!

//

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:37:21am

re: #33 MsJ

OMG.

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Failing to congratulate Eagle Scouts to own the libs.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:37:52am

re: #33 MsJ

OMG.

Aide: Who are these people writing to us about their damn Eagle Scout kids? What letter do we send them?

What do we have left in the pile? McCain funeral? Barbara Bush death? Just send anything.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:38:48am

re: #33 MsJ

OMG.

Should have sent the OUR ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE THE MOST ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN TWO YEARS AS ANY ADMINISTRATION PRESIDENCY EVER letter.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:39:38am

re: #30 ObserverArt

I hate to count on it, but I hope Michael Avenatti can at least cause enough of an outrage with a new revelation that it further upsets the women of America and they threaten to castrate Mitch McConnell, Chuck Grassley and Orrin Hatch.

The other hope I have is Professor Ford is a powerful, composed and extremely sharp accuser and makes the “ringer” lawyer/mercenary look bad.

What a time.

Hmmm. The three GOP Senators I mention seem to be to the point they might just go along with castration if they can get Trump’s boy on the court.

Grassley is fast becoming one of my least favorite Congress critters.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:42:19am

Like how fucking unorganized are they. Policy failure but this is something that even the Bush administration could do.

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MsJ  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:42:24am

re: #46 Sir John Barron

Should have sent the OUR ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE THE MOST ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN TWO YEARS AS ANY ADMINISTRATION PRESIDENCY EVER letter.

That’s what I was expecting. That would have been embarrassing enough. But this? It is so typical of this entire maladministration. They have no competency. None. At all. Incompetents every last one.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:46:23am

google.com

Nikki Haley says the laughter was because of respect. Uh huh. And that world leaders were lining up to get their photos with him. And that Jen Rubin is why she won’t be President ever.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:48:02am

re: #49 MsJ

That’s what I was expecting. That would have been embarrassing enough. But this? It is so typical of this entire maladministration. They have no competency. None. At all. Incompetents every last one.

It’s amazing how they fail at even the most basic tasks. But the Yam really thinks he’s accomplished more than anyone because his advisers can only get him to do the little amounts of work he does by treating him like a petulant child.

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:49:05am

re: #48 HappyWarrior

Like how fucking unorganized are they. Policy failure but this is something that even the Bush administration could do.

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:52:07am

re: #45 Sir John Barron

Aide: Who are these people writing to us about their damn Eagle Scout kids? What letter do we send them?

What do we have left in the pile? McCain funeral? Barbara Bush death? Just send anything.

They don’t have a clue what they’re sending out, and they don’t care. This is basic functionality of the Comms team. They can’t handle basic communications tasks, or checking for what is otherwise a stock response.

It’s not like someone was asking a serious policy question; the WH responds to these as a matter of course.

All political offices have a repository of stock/form letters they use; that Trump bungles even this menial task shows how incompetent they are from top to bottom.

They just don’t give a shit what they’re doing.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:53:16am
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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:54:12am

Well, at least the Senate Judiciary has hired a fine prosecutor to try Kav’s accuser in…oh wait you mean Dr. Ford isn’t on trial here?
/

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:55:08am

I’m half expecting the GOP men on the Senate Judiciary Committee to bring out a bed of coals for Dr. Ford to walk over as proof of her allegations.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:55:19am

re: #55 Sir John Barron

Well, at least the Senate Judiciary has hired a fine prosecutor to try Kav’s accuser in…oh wait you mean Dr. Ford isn’t on trial here?
/

Yeah and one who worked with Arpaio. You just abt make shit up.

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Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:55:20am

re: #55 Sir John Barron

Well, at least the Senate Judiciary has hired a fine prosecutor to try Kav’s accuser in…oh wait you mean Dr. Ford isn’t on trial here?
/

That’s really how they see it, that they’re running a mock trial. And in the worst tradition of rape trials, they’re putting the accuser on trial while the accused is treated as a “victim.”

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Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:55:52am

re: #56 Sir John Barron

I’m half expecting the GOP men on the Senate Judiciary Committee to bring out a bed of coals for Dr. Ford to walk over as proof of her allegations.

What, is it too much of a trip to try dunking her in the Potomac to see if she floats?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:55:57am

re: #56 Sir John Barron

I’m half expecting the GOP men on the Senate Judiciary Committee to bring out a bed of coals for Dr. Ford to walk over as proof of her allegations.

Question, will Orrin or Grassley bring the scarlet letters?

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:56:48am

re: #56 Sir John Barron

I’m half expecting the GOP men on the Senate Judiciary Committee to bring out a bed of coals for Dr. Ford to walk over as proof of her allegations.

Throw her into the pond!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:58:36am

re: #58 Targetpractice

That’s really how they see it, that they’re running a mock trial. And in the worst tradition of rape trials, they’re putting the accuser on trial while the accused is treated as a “victim.”

That has been what infuriates me the most especially from those crying about Augh’s due process. Innocent until proven guilty doesn’t mean you put the vic on trial and beyond a reasonable doubt doesn’t include absurd theories like a guy who was in a “Clit club” and keg club was a Virgin and only occasional drinker. Augh’s lies will hopefully finally catch up with him tomorrow.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2018 • 6:59:29am

re: #59 Targetpractice

What, is it too much of a trip to try dunking her in the Potomac to see if she floats?

Surely they’ll have her injected with truth serum. That’s the least they could do.

/

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:00:08am

re: #21 Targetpractice

We’ll be told that they’re not direct witnesses to the event, so their testimony cannot be entered.

Oh so there was an event…..

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Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:01:54am

re: #62 HappyWarrior

That has been what infuriates me the most especially from those crying about Augh’s due process. Innocent until proven guilty doesn’t mean you put the vic on trial and beyond a reasonable doubt doesn’t include absurd theories like a guy who was in a “Clit club” and keg club was a Virgin and only occasional drinker. Augh’s lies will hopefully finally catch up with him tomorrow.

“Due process,” words that don’t mean anything like what we’re seeing. “Due process” would mean an investigation, not presuming innocence and treating the accusers as liars unless they can personally produce enough evidence to secure a conviction.

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darthstar  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:02:29am
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Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:02:36am

re: #64 dangerman

Oh so there was an event…..

Of course not, which is what they’re gonna introduce “testimony” from his friends into the records to show: No party happened, nothing happened, which is why anybody who says otherwise must be a liar.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:03:38am

re: #65 Targetpractice

“Due process,” words that don’t mean anything like what we’re seeing. “Due process” would mean an investigation, not presuming innocence and treating the accusers as liars unless they can personally produce enough evidence to secure a conviction.

No investigation needed as there’s nothing to investigate but we’ll hire a special woman prosecutor anyway to grill her and demand she confess WHO GAVE THE BENGHAZI STAND DOWN ORDER?!?!?!?

/

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:04:07am

re: #65 Targetpractice

“Due process,” words that don’t mean anything like what we’re seeing. “Due process” would mean an investigation, not presuming innocence and treating the accusers as liars unless they can personally produce enough evidence to secure a conviction.

Exactly.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:05:55am

re: #41 ObserverArt

Just be happy you got a damn letter from The Greatest President Ever, you ungrateful people!!!

Maybe it’s in code

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MsJ  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:06:50am

re: #56 Sir John Barron

I’m half expecting the GOP men on the Senate Judiciary Committee to bring out a bed of coals for Dr. Ford to walk over as proof of her allegations.

Or drop her into the Congressional pool to see if she floats or sinks.

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MsJ  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:07:11am

re: #59 Targetpractice

What, is it too much of a trip to try dunking her in the Potomac to see if she floats?

You beat me to it!

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:07:56am

re: #70 dangerman

Maybe it’s in code

11eventy dimension chess.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:08:10am

Hell Until very recently he was proud of his drunken escapades. There was a bit in the Post today about how he and his frat rented a bus to Boston for a baseball game and he again gave the what happens, stays here story. This guy isn’t a choir boy. He might be more believable if he stopped acting like he was this choir boy who never womanized or drank to excess.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:08:52am

re: #53 lawhawk

They don’t have a clue what they’re sending out, and they don’t care. This is basic functionality of the Comms team. They can’t handle basic communications tasks, or checking for what is otherwise a stock response.

It’s not like someone was asking a serious policy question; the WH responds to these as a matter of course.

All political offices have a repository of stock/form letters they use; that Trump bungles even this menial task shows how incompetent they are from top to bottom.

They just don’t give a shit what they’re doing.

This is basic functioning of a clerk.
You have more than one thing on your desk
Read the thing you’re putting in the envelope

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MsJ  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:09:09am

re: #74 HappyWarrior

Hell Until very recently he was proud of his drunken escapades. There was a bit in the Post today about how he and his frat rented a bus to Boston for a baseball game and he again gave the what happens, stays here story. This guy isn’t a choir boy. He might be more believable if he stopped acting like he was this choir boy who never womanized or drank to excess.

All of which makes him buyable and blackmailable.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:10:22am

re: #76 MsJ

All of which makes him buyable and blackmailable.

Exactly. There’s a lot shady af about this guy.

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Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:10:27am

What sorta Loony Tunes operation thinks this is a good plan?

Another lesson in how not to prove your innocence: Providing evidence that only leads to more questions rather than answering the ones already asked.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:11:15am

re: #65 Targetpractice

“Due process,” words that don’t mean anything like what we’re seeing. “Due process” would mean an investigation, not presuming innocence and treating the accusers as liars unless they can personally produce enough evidence to secure a conviction.

Due process doesn’t apply in this context
It’s a distraction

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:11:27am

re: #78 Targetpractice

What sorta Loony Tunes operation thinks this is a good plan?

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Another lesson in how not to prove your innocence: Providing evidence that only leads to more questions rather than answering the ones already asked.

Okay I’m dumb. Skis equals brewskis.

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Interesting Times  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:12:32am

re: #79 dangerman

Due process doesn’t apply in this context
It’s a distraction

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:13:29am

re: #81 Interesting Times

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True fact.

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Weaselone  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:13:36am

re: #81 Interesting Times

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Even if that woman were Susan Collins.

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Old Liberal  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:13:50am

I have been reading Robert Sapolsky’s book “Behave” and in it he addresses aspects of the Prisoners Dilemma from game theory. I know that many say it is important that we not be like the Republicans, that we must be “better than them”. But the Prisoners Dilemma illustrates that until the non-cooperating party is hammered back, they will continue to refuse to cooperate. In human behavior, this is the regrettable reality— if we ever want to return to some level of normal cooperation and compromise, when the Democrats retake power (most likely 2020), they need to show in no uncertain terms that there will always be a price to pay for a power grab. The other side will understand nothing less, and anything less will not have the necessary effect. The Republicans have shown that they care nothing for public opinion, Democrats need to have the same resolve to return our democracy to functionality. Pack the court, prosecute all Republican offenses fully, hold effective fast hearings that report the full depravity, levy taxes on the wealthy to pay down the deficit, push through Medicare for All. And when the media criticize, ignore them. When the Republicans scream tyranny, double down. I wish I did not have to advocate for this, but science informs me that this is true. We are not doing this for revenge, but for the re-establishment of a functioning democracy.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:13:56am

re: #67 Targetpractice

Of course not, which is what they’re gonna introduce “testimony” from his friends into the records to show: No party happened, nothing happened, which is why anybody who says otherwise must be a liar.

I see a rabbit hole ahead..still
His buds who weren’t at the event that didn’t happen can tesitify
Her buds who werent at the event that did happen can’t testify

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:17:44am

re: #84 Old Liberal

I have been reading Robert Sapolsky’s book “Behave” and in it he addresses aspects of the Prisoners Dilemma from game theory. I know that many say it is important that we not be like the Republicans, that we must be “better than them”. But the Prisoners Dilemma illustrates that until the non-cooperating party is hammered back, they will continue to refuse to cooperate. In human behavior, this is the regrettable reality— if we ever want to return to some level of normal cooperation and compromise, when the Democrats retake power (most likely 2020), they need to show in no uncertain terms that there will always be a price to pay for a power grab. The other side will understand nothing less, and anything less will not have the necessary effect. The Republicans have shown that they care nothing for public opinion, Democrats need to have the same resolve to return our democracy to functionality. Pack the court, prosecute all Republican offenses fully, hold effective fast hearings that report the full depravity, levy taxes on the wealthy to pay down the deficit, push through Medicare for All. And when the media criticize, ignore them. When the Republicans scream tyranny, double down. I wish I did not have to advocate for this, but science informs me that this is true. We are not doing this for revenge, but for the re-establishment of a functioning democracy.

Add to that suggestions from the other day: Increase the number of House seats, which will reduce gerrymandering, and make our territories states.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:17:50am

re: #81 Interesting Times

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Brett Kavanaugh could assault a woman in the middle of Fifth Avenue and not lose any Senate GOP support

True

And he’d probably be arrested

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Interesting Times  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:18:32am

re: #84 Old Liberal

I have been reading Robert Sapolsky’s book “Behave” and in it he addresses aspects of the Prisoners Dilemma from game theory. I know that many say it is important that we not be like the Republicans, that we must be “better than them”.

Which, as we can plainly see by what’s happening all around us, is the dumbest advice ever. America’s trashy, shallow, reality-tv-driven culture rewards bad behavior and perceives good behavior as wimpy, weak, and ineffective.

To my mind, there are only two things GOPers do that Dems shouldn’t:

1) Lie (what even is the point, when the truth is our greatest weapon?)
2) Cause unnecessary/avoidable harm to innocent third parties

Anything else falls under the “all’s fair in love and war”/”ends justify the means” category.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:19:16am

re: #87 dangerman

True

And he’d probably be arrested

He would but the right would still be telling us what a great guy he is. And agh I saw Kathleen Parker is back in the Post after her bs effort with Whalen to claim Ford had the wrong guy.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:19:20am

re: #84 Old Liberal

I have been reading Robert Sapolsky’s book “Behave” and in it he addresses aspects of the Prisoners Dilemma from game theory. I know that many say it is important that we not be like the Republicans, that we must be “better than them”. But the Prisoners Dilemma illustrates that until the non-cooperating party is hammered back, they will continue to refuse to cooperate. In human behavior, this is the regrettable reality— if we ever want to return to some level of normal cooperation and compromise, when the Democrats retake power (most likely 2020), they need to show in no uncertain terms that there will always be a price to pay for a power grab. The other side will understand nothing less, and anything less will not have the necessary effect. The Republicans have shown that they care nothing for public opinion, Democrats need to have the same resolve to return our democracy to functionality. Pack the court, prosecute all Republican offenses fully, hold effective fast hearings that report the full depravity, levy taxes on the wealthy to pay down the deficit, push through Medicare for All. And when the media criticize, ignore them. When the Republicans scream tyranny, double down. I wish I did not have to advocate for this, but science informs me that this is true. We are not doing this for revenge, but for the re-establishment of a functioning democracy.

It’s that last line you have to sell first

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:20:32am

re: #86 Belafon

Add to that suggestions from the other day: Increase the number of House seats, which will reduce gerrymandering, and make our territories states.

Our territories should have become states years ago. The only reason they haven’t from what I can conclude is naked racism.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:21:12am

re: #86 Belafon

Add to that suggestions from the other day: Increase the number of House seats, which will reduce gerrymandering, and make our territories states.

It’s a heavy lift cause the r’s don’t want balance and equity
They lose in a fair game fairly played

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b.d.(soros funded)  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:22:02am

re: #87 dangerman

True

And he’d she’d probably be arrested

fify

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:22:31am

re: #92 dangerman

It’s a heavy lift cause the r’s don’t want balance and equity
They lose in a fair game fairly played

That’s why they’ve opposed statehood and voting representation for DC. If they thought it would benefit them, they’d championed it years ago.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:23:26am

re: #92 dangerman

It’s a heavy lift cause the r’s don’t want balance and equity
They lose in a fair game fairly played

We could pass it off this way: More reps means more “land” is represented.

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Lupin  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:24:33am

re: #50 HappyWarrior

google.com

Nikki Haley says […] that world leaders were lining up to get their photos with him [Trump].

Ms Haley has obviously never visited a zoo.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:30:57am

re: #96 Lupin

Ms Haley has obviously never visited a zoo.

Haha. Winner.

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Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:32:37am

So when Republicans and their wingnut base spent years talking about how the rest of the world was laughing at us with Obama in office, they were really showing respect to us? I’m not sure that’s the argument Nikki meant to make…

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Old Liberal  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:34:25am

re: #88 Interesting Times

Which, as we can plainly see by what’s happening all around us, is the dumbest advice ever. America’s trashy, shallow, reality-tv-driven culture rewards bad behavior and perceives good behavior as wimpy, weak, and ineffective.

To my mind, there are only two things GOPers do that Dems shouldn’t:

1) Lie (what even is the point, when the truth is our greatest weapon?)
2) Cause unnecessary/avoidable harm to innocent third parties

Anything else falls under the “all’s fair in love and war”/”ends justify the means” category.

I abhor lying, but the populations seems to prefer it, so I don’t know what to do. Tell people their jobs are coming back, they are happier. Like the clown who turned down retraining because he was getting his mine job back.Tell them taxes need to be raised (like Mondale), they reject you. If a Democrat ran on the platform of Trump (tariffs, tax the rich, drain the swamp, get rid of lobbyists, Iraq War was a huge mistake, less foreign wars, cheap healthcare for everyone) those who voted for Trump wouldn’t accept it from a Democrat (remember the truism that only Nixon could go to China because of his anti-communist bona fides). I think Democrats need to lie. I choke on those words. I wholeheartedly agree to not only NOT harm innocents but to SHOWER them with good things like medical care and free education. If the Republicans can borrow a trillion dollars to give to rich fucks, Democrats can spend a trillion dollars to benefit average Americans.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:35:13am

re: #98 Targetpractice

So when Republicans and their wingnut base spent years talking about how the rest of the world was laughing at us with Obama in office, they were really showing respect to us? I’m not sure that’s the argument Nikki meant to make…

Nikki didn’t think her talking points carefully. At least Smithers had the Boo-urns quick think.

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Weaselone  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:36:22am

re: #91 HappyWarrior

Our territories should have become states years ago. The only reason they haven’t from what I can conclude is naked racism.

To be fair, the people of Puerto Rico don’t want to become a state unless you count rigged votes.

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ckkatz  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:37:06am

re: #8 Teukka

Update on the raid re: Money laundering and tax crimes in Finland… So this happened…

Thread is interesting…

Thanks for following this!

Tuesday there were also some major outages with US infrastructure:

Verizon outage knocks out service across the US
cnet.com

Delta online systems back to normal after outage
cnn.com
(My understanding was that the Delta outage was worldwide.)

And that was only the major _reported_ outages.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:37:27am

What I hate most is two faced hypocrisy. I don’t like that Kavanaugh portrayed Bill Clinton as a pig with his own crap and I especially don’t like that he’s portraying himself as a church boy who loved sports and school only when he clearly was interested in drinking and chasing skirts too.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:37:45am

re: #101 Weaselone

To be fair, the people of Puerto Rico don’t want to become a state unless you count rigged votes.

That’s fair.

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Lupin  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:38:12am

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Nikki didn’t think her talking points carefully. At least Smithers had the Boo-urns quick think.

Fixed it.

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Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:40:04am

re: #103 HappyWarrior

What I hate most is two faced hypocrisy. I don’t like that Kavanaugh portrayed Bill Clinton as a pig with his own crap and I especially don’t like that he’s portraying himself as a church boy who loved sports and school only when he clearly was interested in drinking and chasing skirts too.

The big problem with all this is that when you portray something as “he said/she said,” the side with the most credibility generally has an easier time proving their case. And lying about shit that can be researched generally is not the way to maintain your credibility.

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Old Liberal  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:40:56am

re: #90 dangerman

It’s that last line you have to sell first

I would say once in power, to reset things, there is no place for salesmanship. I don’t think you run on these things, because these are issues the populace no longer understands. Run on issues that get you elected, including lying, and then hammer the Republicans with investigations, convictions, and wholesale overturning of their policies. This sucks, but war is hell. Marquess of Queensbury is dead for now.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:42:43am

re: #101 Weaselone

To be fair, the people of Puerto Rico don’t want to become a state unless you count rigged votes.

I’m of the opinion that if they don’t want to become a state, we should offer them a severence package. We’ve screwed them over big time, but Trump and the GOP’s reaction to Maria should show everyone that being a territory isn’t helping, especially when Trump reinstates a rule that causes shipping fees to double to them.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:43:53am

re: #105 Lupin

Fixed it.

I know but I love the Boo-urns.

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Lupin  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:45:02am

If History teaches us anything, it is that there never is a return to “normal”.

Sometimes it’s major events, like the US Civil War, the French and Bolshevik Revolutions, WWI, but other times societies just slowly disintegrate — the Roman Empire, the Spanish Empire come to mind.

I’m pretty sure none of us here will ever see the world return to what it was in the last decade of the 20th century. In retrospect, Obama’s Presidency may come to look like, say, Marcus Aurelius’ reign, a short, peaceful rest stop on an inevitable path of decline.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:45:12am
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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:47:57am

re: #95 Belafon

We could pass it off this way: More reps means more “land” is represented.

they might just go for it that way!

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Interesting Times  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:50:23am

Heads up: For those of you who follow Michael Avenatti, he’s just named his client and posted the text of a sworn affidavit from her.

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Weaselone  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:50:38am

re: #108 Belafon

I’m of the opinion that if they don’t want to become a state, we should offer them a severence package. We’ve screwed them over big time, but Trump and the GOP’s reaction to Maria should show everyone that being a territory isn’t helping, especially when Trump reinstates a rule that causes shipping fees to double to them.

I hear you, but as far as I know when reputable votes have been held, there’s never been a clear majority to either leave or for statehood (usually, retain current status is an option). The US would have to force the issue and that would mean having our shit enough together to pass a law in Congress forcing and arranging the vote and codifying a coherent exit strategy should the vote come down to leaving.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:50:57am

re: #98 Targetpractice

So when Republicans and their wingnut base spent years talking about how the rest of the world was laughing at us with Obama in office, they were really showing respect to us? I’m not sure that’s the argument Nikki meant to make…

just remember it doesnt matter what they ever said or why
nothing is meant to be true or ‘truth’
its meant to score points
that the tables are turned now means nothing
hypocrisy means nothing
its only noise intended to keep their hold on power
logic, rationality, reason, dont enter into it

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:52:29am

re: #111 Ace-o-aces

He should ask his Supreme Court nominee about allowing foreign governments to spend in US elections.

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ckkatz  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:52:33am

re: #84 Old Liberal

I agree, we need to move the Overton Window back to a more center position from alt-rightwing reactionary cliff where it has been shoved. Basically, if we do not defend Democracy’s boundaries and norms, we are going to lose them.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:53:26am

re: #33 MsJ

OMG.

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Total incompetence in this WH — clearly those responsible for responding never read the original request. Of course, slip-ups like this may have happened in previous administrations too; some low level employee may have accidentally put responses in the wrong envelopes. It’s not a malicious act but it does fit into the narrative that this government doesn’t know or care about the proper functioning of government.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:53:28am

re: #33 MsJ

OMG.

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Well, at least the Eagle Scout letter didn’t read: “let me tell you about this really rich friend I have and the parties he throws on his yacht….”

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:56:00am

re: #111 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

So what do we have going on here?

Russia helping Trump and China helping Democrats to get elected to dump Trump?

Strange times.

And Trump is bitching about an election being influenced by an outsider. That takes some damn nerve.

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:56:20am
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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:56:38am

re: #110 Lupin

If History teaches us anything, it is that there never is a return to “normal”.

Sometimes it’s major events, like the US Civil War, the French and Bolshevik Revolutions, WWI, but other times societies just slowly disintegrate — the Roman Empire, the Spanish Empire come to mind.

I’m pretty sure none of us here will ever see the world return to what it was in the last decade of the 20th century. In retrospect, Obama’s Presidency may come to look like, say, Marcus Aurelius’ reign, a short, peaceful rest stop on an inevitable path of decline.

What is “Normal” and why “Get Back to It”?
An LGF page I wrote in september 2017

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Lupin  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:57:03am

re: #113 Interesting Times

Heads up: For those of you who follow Michael Avenatti, he’s just named his client and posted the text of a sworn affidavit from her.

Real nasty stuff, there. A perfect fit for the Trump era.

I can only hope that if K is confirmed, nevertheless a criminal investigation will ensue, hopefully leading to impeachment,conviction and removal later.

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Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:57:10am

re: #113 Interesting Times

Heads up: For those of you who follow Michael Avenatti, he’s just named his client and posted the text of a sworn affidavit from her.

*whistles*

Okay, I’m impressed. A sworn affidavit, name, and a face. That’s more than I was actually expecting.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:58:19am
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rhuarc  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:59:05am

re: #113 Interesting Times

Heads up: For those of you who follow Michael Avenatti, he’s just named his client and posted the text of a sworn affidavit from her.

That affidavit…holy shit.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 26, 2018 • 7:59:47am

re: #118 Hecuba’s daughter

Total incompetence in this WH — clearly those responsible for responding never read the original request. Of course, slip-ups like this may have happened in previous administrations too; some low level employee may have accidentally put responses in the wrong envelopes. It’s not a malicious act but it does fit into the narrative that this government doesn’t know or care about the proper functioning of government.

It’s not just that, or even rank incompetence. This administration does not care about the American people, or understand that it serves at their discretion. It’s aristocratic aloofness and disdain for the people at work here.

OTOH it may also be a result of Trump’s deliberate gutting of the civil service at the executive level. The White House is running on a skeleton crew, and one poor schmoe is probably trying to do the work of eight Obama-era staffers.

Item A explains item B, as well.

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Citizen K  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:00:15am

re: #106 Targetpractice

The big problem with all this is that when you portray something as “he said/she said,” the side with the most credibility generally has an easier time proving their case. And lying about shit that can be researched generally is not the way to maintain your credibility.

Unfortunately, actual facts being on one’s side repeatedly is not the way one gets credibility in politics these days. We see it constantly, where Republicans demonstrate bad faith and outright lying, and yet are constantly treated with a sheen of respectability and honesty time and time again. We see folks who were just proven to have lied return the next day, get quoted as if they were the most unimpeachable source ever, and any criticism from a Dem is treated as super-suspect as all fucking ever, if they’re ever used as a source to begin with.

Case in point:

Honesty actually doesn’t fucking matter when you’re treated as the only game in town, and treated at face value repeatedly no matter how often you lie or act in bad faith.

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:00:52am

I know a lot of people do not like Avenatti, and I can see why.

But the dude is dogged in his efforts.

And as the discussion above shows, there is agreement the Democratic side of things need to get tougher. I don’t see him as a president, but he would make a good Senator.

We could use a good junk yard dog Senator.

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:01:45am

@JuddLegum
Third woman, Julie Swetnick, submits sworn affidavit to judiciary committee alleging sexual misconduct by Kavanaugh. Says she observed Kavanaugh committing sexual assault. Also alleges she was gang-raped at a house party where Kavanaugh was present.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:02:48am

re: #114 Weaselone

I hear you, but as far as I know when reputable votes have been held, there’s never been a clear majority to either leave or for statehood (usually, retain current status is an option). The US would have to force the issue and that would mean having our shit enough together to pass a law in Congress forcing and arranging the vote and codifying a coherent exit strategy should the vote come down to leaving.

its yet another situation that no matter what happens approxmiately half the people will not be happy

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Lupin  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:04:48am

re: #129 ObserverArt

I know a lot of people do not like Avenatti, and I can see why.

But the dude is dogged in his efforts.

I’d argue that without Avenatti’s efforts, Cohen wouldn’t have been taken down. That, plus his civil lawsuits, will end up taking down the rest of the Trump Org more effectively that an army of Chuck Schumers. A little like the OJ civil suit achieved what the criminal prosecution failed to do.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:05:19am

re: #129 ObserverArt

I know a lot of people do not like Avenatti, and I can see why.

But the dude is dogged in his efforts.

And as the discussion above shows, there is agreement the Democratic side of things need to get tougher. I don’t see him as a president, but he would make a good Senator.

We could use a good junk yard dog Senator.

Some very good lawyers are simultaneously not very nice people, personally. Rather like surgeons, they can be a bit too full of themselves, especially if they have won a lot of high profile cases.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:05:52am
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Interesting Times  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:06:41am
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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:08:14am

re: #129 ObserverArt

I know a lot of people do not like Avenatti, and I can see why.

But the dude is dogged in his efforts.

And as the discussion above shows, there is agreement the Democratic side of things need to get tougher. I don’t see him as a president, but he would make a good Senator.

We could use a good junk yard dog Senator.

He seems to be good a making sure things are in order. I think the best role for him would be if the government whistle blower hotline fed to his office.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:09:15am

i am now making a prediction
(i could be wrong - i was in november 2016)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:10:04am

re: #33 MsJ

re: #41 ObserverArt

re: #46 Sir John Barron

re: #48 HappyWarrior

re: #118 Hecuba’s daughter

Total incompetence in this WH — clearly those responsible for responding never read the original request. Of course, slip-ups like this may have happened in previous administrations too; some low level employee may have accidentally put responses in the wrong envelopes. It’s not a malicious act but it does fit into the narrative that this government doesn’t know or care about the proper functioning of government.

I scrolled down through the replies/responses to the tweet

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:10:31am

re: #133 wheat-dogg

Some very good lawyers are simultaneously not very nice people, personally. Rather like surgeons, they can be a bit too full of themselves, especially if they have won a lot of high profile cases.

try teaching either a successful lawyer or surgeon to scuba dive

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:11:44am
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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:11:45am

re: #113 Interesting Times

Heads up: For those of you who follow Michael Avenatti, he’s just named his client and posted the text of a sworn affidavit from her.

BOOM!!!

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:13:19am

Also, I think Avenatti’s antics are needed to get through the noise being generated by the administration. Think about the other person accusing Kanavaugh. Her lawyer got an interview on Maddow, but we’re not hearing about her because the GOP has been successful in the games they’re playing. Avenatti makes people pay attention to him.

There will come a time when his antics will be over the top, but we’re not there.

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:17:09am
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ckkatz  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:17:41am

re: #122 dangerman

What is “Normal” and why “Get Back to It”?
An LGF page I wrote in september 2017

Lupin, Dangerman, Bravo!

I agree with Lupin that we can(and will) never return to the past. And Dangerman is correct, returning to the past shouldn’t be our goal. Despite Magats.

The past isn’t always what we think it was. Nor are we any longer the people we were then. But I do think that the past is the necessary starting point to the future. As long as we have an honest understanding of the past.

And towards the future is where we should look.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:18:07am

re: #84 Old Liberal

I have been reading Robert Sapolsky’s book “Behave” and in it he addresses aspects of the Prisoners Dilemma from game theory. I know that many say it is important that we not be like the Republicans, that we must be “better than them”. But the Prisoners Dilemma illustrates that until the non-cooperating party is hammered back, they will continue to refuse to cooperate. …

I haven’t read Sapolsky but have read other articles about the Prisoners Dilemma. It’s a fun game but its relationship to situations outside of the original premise are limited:
1. It’s strictly mathematical — no reward for being honest or punishment for doing harm. Just 2 actions each party can take with the identical matrix of payoffs; i.e. if A does Y and B does Z the results for A are the same as would be true for B if A did Z and B did Y
2. The payoffs are structured in such a way to encourage certain behaviors if parties engage repeatedly with each other. Different structures would lead to different results.

The whole premise is divorced from honesty, ethics, kindness, or the law. It assumes that both participants are in the same situation and respond to the same incentives. That is clearly not true in our current political world.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:19:14am

i just read this over at CNN

i screen grabbed because…..

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:19:56am

re: #144 ckkatz

Lupin, Dangerman, Bravo!

I agree with Lupin that we can(and will) never return to the past. And Dangerman is correct, returning to the past shouldn’t be our goal. Despite Magats.

The past isn’t always what we think it was. Nor are we any longer the people we were then. But I do think that the past is the necessary starting point to the future. As long as we have an honest understanding of the past.

And towards the future is where we should look.

I may be a straight, white male, but I’m definitely not looking to return to the 1950s, unless we’re talking about tax rates.

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Interesting Times  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:20:02am

re: #146 dangerman

Best. Freudian. Typo. Ever.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:20:40am

re: #132 Lupin

I’d argue that without Avenatti’s efforts, Cohen wouldn’t have been taken down. That, plus his civil lawsuits, will end up taking down the rest of the Trump Org more effectively that an army of Chuck Schumers. A little like the OJ civil suit achieved what the criminal prosecution failed to do.

That could very well be correct. Hadn’t really considered that before.

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Old Liberal  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:20:49am

re: #145 Hecuba’s daughter

I haven’t read Sapolsky but have read other articles about the Prisoners Dilemma. It’s a fun game but its relationship to situations outside of the original premise are limited:
1. It’s strictly mathematical — no reward for being honest or punishment for doing harm. Just 2 actions each party can take with the identical matrix of payoffs; i.e. if A does Y and B does Z the results for A are the same as would be true for B if A did Z and B did Y
2. The payoffs are structured in such a way to encourage certain behaviors if parties engage repeatedly with each other. Different structures would lead to different results.

The whole premise is divorced from honesty, ethics, kindness, or the law. It assumes that both participants are in the same situation and respond to the same incentives. That is clearly not true in our current political world.

I bow to your superior knowledge of the game theory, I don’t know much. Would you contend that failure to retaliate is a winning strategy in our current dilemma?

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:22:31am
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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:24:07am

re: #148 Interesting Times

Best. Freudian. Typo. Ever.

unless its some assistant editor’s shade…

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:25:09am

re: #151 jaunte

“Sexual misconduct” really undersells what’s happening

Kavanaugh is now credibly accused of facilitating and participating in gang rapes

that was always spin

Ford never said “he sexually misconducted me”

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Interesting Times  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:25:10am

re: #151 jaunte

Can I just say how sick to death I am of that idiotic term “misconduct”?

If it’s verbal, it’s sexual harassment, and if it progress to physical contact, it’s sexual assault.

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:26:06am
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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:26:58am

re: #155 jaunte

And, considering the climate I’ve seen, she may have risked it even if she’s successful.

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Interesting Times  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:28:23am

re: #156 Belafon

And, considering the climate I’ve seen, she may have risked it even if she’s successful.

That’s right, Cheeto Benito already has a habit of revoking security clearances out of the pettiest pique -_-

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Citizen K  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:28:27am

re: #145 Hecuba’s daughter

I haven’t read Sapolsky but have read other articles about the Prisoners Dilemma. It’s a fun game but its relationship to situations outside of the original premise are limited:
1. It’s strictly mathematical — no reward for being honest or punishment for doing harm. Just 2 actions each party can take with the identical matrix of payoffs; i.e. if A does Y and B does Z the results for A are the same as would be true for B if A did Z and B did Y
2. The payoffs are structured in such a way to encourage certain behaviors if parties engage repeatedly with each other. Different structures would lead to different results.

The whole premise is divorced from honesty, ethics, kindness, or the law. It assumes that both participants are in the same situation and respond to the same incentives. That is clearly not true in our current political world.

I was linked before to an interesting thought game on the Prisoner’s Dilemma that re-frames it a bit differently and opens it up more for the different elements you talk of, both by repeating the process over several ‘rounds’, allowing for different approaches, and showing how certain behaviors will breed and encourage reciprocal behavior in some way.

The Evolution of Trust

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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:32:25am

Kavanaugh is now qualified to be a GOP potus.

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Old Liberal  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:34:08am

re: #158 Citizen K

I was linked before to an interesting thought game on the Prisoner’s Dilemma that re-frames it a bit differently and opens it up more for the different elements you talk of, both by repeating the process over several ‘rounds’, allowing for different approaches, and showing how certain behaviors will breed and encourage reciprocal behavior in some way.

The Evolution of Trust

This is essentially the studies referenced by Sapolsky, multiple rounds, but I need to say that I am not saying Sapolsky endorses anything or even that I am representing him correctly. I am reading his book, he covers this, based on my limited understanding of the science I conclude a good hammering is an effective tactic to gain cooperation. With all the caveats.

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Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:34:57am

Orrin Hatch presently working to sum up the biggest load of indignation he can to dismiss these newest allegations.

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:35:11am

Meanwhile at the UN:

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:37:22am

re: #150 Old Liberal

I bow to your superior knowledge of the game theory, I don’t know much. Would you contend that failure to retaliate is a winning strategy in our current dilemma?

My late husband had the slogan: Don’t get mad, get even.
My mother believed: You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

I do believe in fighting back, but you have to find a response that works. If the other side has most of the money and is treated more favorably by the supposed impartial media (the usual: have 3 GOP on your show with the occasional Bernie as the token Dem), it becomes more difficult to fight back successfully. I do love someone like an Avenatti who has mastered the art of getting his message across.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:37:25am

re: #162 jaunte

Meanwhile at the UN:

Someone should ask Trump why Russia hasn’t pulled out of the accord.

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Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:37:50am

Chuck Grassley must be getting some serious shade right about now. “We could have had this rammed through last week, but NO, you wanted to give her another chance to respond!”

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:42:20am

re: #145 Hecuba’s daughter

I haven’t read Sapolsky but have read other articles about the Prisoners Dilemma. It’s a fun game but its relationship to situations outside of the original premise are limited:
1. It’s strictly mathematical — no reward for being honest or punishment for doing harm. Just 2 actions each party can take with the identical matrix of payoffs; i.e. if A does Y and B does Z the results for A are the same as would be true for B if A did Z and B did Y
2. The payoffs are structured in such a way to encourage certain behaviors if parties engage repeatedly with each other. Different structures would lead to different results.

The whole premise is divorced from honesty, ethics, kindness, or the law. It assumes that both participants are in the same situation and respond to the same incentives. That is clearly not true in our current political world.

In the version I’ve read, there are rewards for being honest, and it’s exactly the type of thing that Meuller has been using. The people turning on Trump have been rewarded with smaller sentences than those that haven’t. There’s a possibility that if they’d all kept their mouth shut, they might have been pardoned when the time came, but now that one is talking, I bet that’s falling apart.

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Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:42:40am
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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:43:33am

re: #167 Targetpractice

LOL. Really.

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:44:35am

re: #156 Belafon

And, considering the climate I’ve seen, she may have risked it even if she’s successful.

And if she pays a price fro coming forward it is just one more example of GOP women hating and Trump obstruction.

Both seem to be ignoring women totally as voters…which is it’s own demonstration.

Hopefully the women voters are not ignoring and are at a boiling point. The men of America need to stand with them and help them get their voices heard.

The GOP Good Ol’ Boy’s Club needs to be wiped off earth. Trump is a manifestation of it. Why else would they be protecting him as they are since he is a sexual predator himself and he gives them a chance to go against so many wishes of women.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:47:52am

Boom goes the dynamite…

Avenatti drops the goods.

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:48:56am

re: #165 Targetpractice

Chuck Grassley must be getting some serious shade right about now. “We could have had this rammed through last week, but NO, you wanted to give her another chance to respond!”

I still say the best thing the Democrats did was holding back a bit, then popping out the first bomb.

That bought them the time needed for others to come forward.

You just knew there was more out there.

Way to go Democrats. And it has been a fair and above board fight.

Mitch has got to be steaming. Grassley knew he had to put up appearances and it may blow up on him. Mitch would have just had the vote and been done with it.

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Jay C  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:49:32am

re: #164 Belafon

Someone should ask Trump why Russia hasn’t pulled out of the accord.

Or China, or any of the other signatories to the JCPOA (Iran as well).

As if it matters to this idiot….

PS: did anyone notice another of the Orange Anus’s brilliant comments - that “China is working to interfere with the [midterm] election” because they hate Trump over his “tough” trade policies?

ADD - LINK:

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:49:46am

re: #159 Dr. Matt

Kavanaugh is now qualified to be a GOP potus.

good thing that jobs already filled…

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:50:20am

re: #158 Citizen K

I was linked before to an interesting thought game on the Prisoner’s Dilemma that re-frames it a bit differently and opens it up more for the different elements you talk of, both by repeating the process over several ‘rounds’, allowing for different approaches, and showing how certain behaviors will breed and encourage reciprocal behavior in some way.

The Evolution of Trust

Occasionally, an organization sets up a competition for contestants to submit programs that play the Prisoner’s Dilemma repeatedly against other programs. Again this is a game where morality is irrelevant. For example, if a program adheres to a principle of always cooperating and never striking back, the correct process of the other program is to betray the first program every time; i.e. the game teaches that if the other side cannot fight back, it’s ok to treat them like trash.

It’s really designed for a situation of parties with equal power and identical ethics.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:53:14am

re: #121 jaunte

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A flat out rape accusation. Wow.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:53:52am

re: #174 Hecuba’s daughter

Occasionally, an organization sets up a competition for contestants to submit programs that play the Prisoner’s Dilemma repeatedly against other programs. Again this is a game where morality is irrelevant. For example, if a program adheres to a principle of always cooperating and never striking back, the correct process of the other program is to betray the first program every time; i.e. the game teaches that if the other side cannot fight back, it’s ok to treat them like trash.

It’s really designed for a situation of parties with equal power and identical ethics.

Seems like the GOP learned that lesson pretty well.

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:54:04am

re: #175 Eventual Carrion

Waiting for the “he was only rape-adjacent” defenses.

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plansbandc  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:56:22am

So yeah, living with Trump is triggering every damn day, but Kavanaugh and the goddamn Republicans response to him is the cherry on the biggest shit sundae ever.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:56:22am
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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:56:34am

Honestly, I wish it was anyone but Avenatti that was breaking this news.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:57:27am

re: #169 ObserverArt


The GOP Good Ol’ Boy’s Club needs to be wiped off earth. Trump is a manifestation of it. Why else would they be protecting him as they are since he is a sexual predator himself and he gives them a chance to go against so many wishes of women.

The GOP : Grifters, Oligarchs, Plutocrats. Their goal is to help the .1% maintain wealth and power and nothing else matters to them,

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:57:37am

re: #175 Eventual Carrion

A flat out rape accusation. Wow.

I just read that statement all the way through.

It is a nuclear bomb.

It is going to be damn hard for the GOP to blow by this one…but they sure as hell will try.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:58:21am

re: #175 Eventual Carrion

A flat out rape accusation. Wow.

nothing to see here
vote’s still scheduled for friday when we’ll squeeze it out of committee
and we still expect to put this baby to bed with the full senate on monday

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 8:59:12am

re: #176 Belafon

Seems like the GOP learned that lesson pretty well.

and the dems never adapted and learned the ‘fight back’ part

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:00:11am
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:00:42am

re: #171 ObserverArt

The Dems played this perfectly, Fuck McConnell and Grassley. This was perfectly played and now it draws things out even more and with this from Avenatti it might just torpedo Kavanaugh (and rightly so).

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:00:42am

re: #143 jaunte

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Yeah, she is really laying her ass on the line here. I can’t see that being done on a whim.

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Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:01:50am

re: #185 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Life comes at you fast…

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:01:59am

re: #180 Dr. Matt

Honestly, I wish it was anyone but Avenatti that was breaking this news.

Who is the only attorney the average person knows in this drama? Avenatti staked his claim early and deserves the credit.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:02:02am

re: #178 plansbandc

So yeah, living with Trump is triggering every damn day, but Kavanaugh and the goddamn Republicans response to him is the cherry on the biggest shit sundae ever.

they have painted themselves so far into this corner there is no good way out
only least bad ways
and they hate doing that

objectively speaking he is/was a horrible nominee if this is all it took to unmask him

mcgahn and co either didnt do their jobs (includes augh being a consummate liar)
or they knew and didnt care

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:03:18am

re: #183 dangerman

nothing to see here
vote’s still scheduled for friday when we’ll squeeze it out of committee
and we still expect to put this baby to bed with the full senate on monday

Monday may never arrive. The weekend will wreck that plan.

Friday is now iffy.

And yes I know they will try, but their efforts now are regressive. All they have are shovels for digging a bigger hole for them to fall into.

This may be the biggest showdown between conservatives and democrats yet.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:03:32am

re: #180 Dr. Matt

Honestly, I wish it was anyone but Avenatti that was breaking this news.

The only other lawyers who would be breaking like this would be acting like Avenatti. As I said earlier, look at the lawyer for the second accuser. The GOP has been playing games with him and his client.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:06:26am

re: #186 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

The Dems played this perfectly, Fuck McConnell and Grassley. This was perfectly played and now it draws things out even more and with this from Avenatti it might just torpedo Kavanaugh (and rightly so).

they could still possibly ‘ram’ him through
IF the r’s still want to hold the line after Ford testifies successfully

and IF they do there will be a stench around augh and the court that will not go away
not after today - this is too much

clarence thomas was a piker

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:06:26am

Oh, and with her signed affidavit, if she is lying, then this all still blows back on Kavanaugh and Trump. The GOP is willing to go this far to undermine the investigation into Kavanaugh, then he’s really hiding something.

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:06:47am

re: #184 dangerman

and the dems never adapted and learned the ‘fight back’ part

They are learning now. Hopefully this emboldens them.

And it must be pointed out, it is the Democratic women that have been the wrecking crew.

Way to go ladies! Give ‘me hell.

Feinstein, Harris, Hirono. They deserve some accolades.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:07:11am

re: #193 dangerman

Thomas also had Dems siding with him over Anita Hill.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:09:28am

WINNING ! ! !

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:10:43am

re: #191 ObserverArt

Monday may never arrive. The weekend will wreck that plan.

Friday is now iffy.

And yes I know they will try, but their efforts now are regressive. All they have are shovels for digging a bigger hole for them to fall into.

This may be the biggest showdown between conservatives and democrats yet.

not arguing, just channeling so yeah i agree

i also think, sort of perversely that a day or two ago mitch and chuck and orrin, et al probably had discussions about what they thought avenatti had (imagine the pasty old white guys spitballing in THAT conversation) and what they would do if….

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:12:15am

re: #193 dangerman

they could still possibly ‘ram’ him through
IF the r’s still want to hold the line after Ford testifies successfully

and IF they do there will be a stench around augh and the court that will not go away
not after today - this is too much

clarence thomas was a piker

One thing these other allegations do is give evidence to Ford’s testimony.

The GOP Judiciary Committee thought they could hold off details and witnesses and make Ford’s case look thin.

The others coming forward lend witness and Avanatti’s client just laid out the facts.

In a way, Ford and her attorney now have a complete case the GOPers were trying to prevent.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:13:12am

re: #195 ObserverArt

They are learning now. Hopefully this emboldens them.

And it must be pointed out, it is the Democratic women that have been the wrecking crew.

Way to go ladies! Give ‘me hell.

Feinstein, Harris, Hirono. They deserve some accolades.

i have no problem with D women taking it all over.
they will do a much better job
unequivocally

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:13:38am

re: #195 ObserverArt

They are learning now. Hopefully this emboldens them.

And it must be pointed out, it is the Democratic women that have been the wrecking crew.

Way to go ladies! Give ‘me hell.

Feinstein, Harris, Hirono. They deserve some accolades.

Feinstein’s holding back until now worked perfectly. Assuming that the GOP has to fold, there is no way for Trump to select and get another judicial nominee approved before the November election. If she had launched this attack in July, there would be another judicial nominee, without any personal foibles, who would likely have sailed through.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:15:43am

re: #185 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Hey Ollie, FUCK YOU CRIMINAL.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:16:37am

re: #197 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

WINNING ! ! !

Ford CEO says metals tariffs have cost the company $1 billion

that will all be passed on as increased prices, because if you think the stockholders will not eat that $1B directly…

no, they’ll pass it on, sales will drop anyway and everyone will be forced to partake of the shit sandwich

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:17:02am

from yesterday, some midday humor?

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:17:08am

My hat is off to these brave women. They knew what they’d be subjected to by coming forth, and still they persisted.

Thank you, Dr. Ford and Julie Swetnick, on behalf of all Americans.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:18:16am

re: #190 dangerman

they have painted themselves so far into this corner there is no good way out
only least bad ways
and they hate doing that

objectively speaking he is/was a horrible nominee if this is all it took to unmask him

mcgahn and co either didnt do their jobs (includes augh being a consummate liar)
or they knew and didnt care

But, you know, Obama smoked pot in his younger days!

//

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:18:23am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:18:27am

re: #203 dangerman

This tweeted reply is … and interesting take.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:19:12am

re: #199 ObserverArt

One thing these other allegation do is give evidence to Ford’s testimony.

The GOP Judiciary Committee thought they could hold off details and witnesses and make Ford’s case look thin.

The others coming forward lend witness and Avanatti’s client just laid out the facts.

In a way, Ford and her attorney now have a complete case the GOPers were trying to prevent.

exactly right
and i think that’s why avenatti played it this way
to shore up Ford’s position, leave no time for swiftboating, and no room for doubt
(sworn affidavit!)

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:19:35am

re: #204 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

from yesterday, some midday humor?

No, actually, they don’t, Sarah.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:19:51am

re: #197 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

WINNING ! ! !

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But they have their tax breaks, so there’s that.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:20:34am

re: #184 dangerman

and the dems never adapted and learned the ‘fight back’ part

Politics in America is now an asymmetric war situation, while Prisoner’s Dilemma is actually symmetric warfare. It can be difficult to develop successful tactics when engaging in such battles, since you cannot adopt the same approach as your opposition.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:20:48am

re: #175 Eventual Carrion

My read is that she stops short of saying she was raped by Kavanaugh and Judge but says they were there and had knowledge of what was going on.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:20:57am

John Boehner is cracking open his second bottle of chardonnay for the day.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:21:37am

re: #208 Colère Tueur de Lapin

This tweeted reply is … and interesting take.

Yeah, talk about not understanding economics.

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Teukka  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:21:49am

re: #214 Dr. Matt

John Boehner is cracking open his second bottle of chardonnay for the day.

Saying “I’m so glad I got out in time”?

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:22:33am

re: #204 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

from yesterday, some midday humor?

Sarah Sanders says every Supreme Court nominee deserves a vote yhoo.it

really sarah?
even the ones withdrawn by the president

how about the ones that lapsed at the end of a session of Congress?

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:22:38am

Once an asshole, always an asshole.

STFU, Lowry.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:23:25am

re: #205 makeitstop

My hat is off to these brave women. They knew what they’d be subjected to by coming forth, and still they persisted.

Thank you, Dr. Ford and Julie Swetnick, on behalf of all Americans.

sadly the whole country doesnt stand behind them

fortunately, enough of it does

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:24:29am

re: #218 makeitstop

Once an asshole, always an asshole.

STFU, Lowry.

I obviously can’t read the documents right now, but was she implying multiple parties?

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:24:36am

re: #206 Eventual Carrion

But, you know, Obama smoked pot in his younger days!

//

yeah, the president doesnt get vetted…
not this way anyway

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:26:01am
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Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:27:21am

Somebody must have told him that the Faux interview didn’t work as planned:

[BREAKING: Supreme Court nominee Kavanaugh says he was ‘not perfect’ in high school, drank beer with friends, but denies sexual assault

In his prepared testimony for Thursday’s Senate hearing, Brett M. Kavanaugh said he drank beer usually on weekends and “sometimes I had too many.”

“In retrospect, I said and did things in high school that make me cringe now,” he said.

Kavanaugh denied the accusation of Christine Blasey Ford that he sexually assaulted her when both were in high school.]

From “I was a perfect gentleman who barely drank!” to “I drank to excess, but I never did anything like this!” Careful you don’t suffer whiplash due to the sudden swerving.

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:27:26am

re: #220 Belafon

I obviously can’t read the documents right now, but was she implying multiple parties?

Yep. By her statement, it sounded like SOP for this frat.

I want Kavanaugh to go down hard for this. And his frat should lose their charter. Full. Fucking. Stop.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:28:33am

re: #214 Dr. Matt

John Boehner is cracking open his second bottle of chardonnay for the day.

Boehner would have done well in the “ancient” times where both parties talked to each other and came to compromises. We live now in a “take no prisoners” world.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:29:31am

re: #208 Colère Tueur de Lapin

This tweeted reply is … and interesting take.

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i’d want to see proof of sales
and even though, a $1B increase in sales (really?) just means break even on this issue

and while in this discussion, stock price is irrelevant, here’s the last 12 months of Ford:

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:29:49am

re: #213 Flying Squirrel Girl

My read is that she stops short of saying she was raped by Kavanaugh and Judge but says they were there and had knowledge of what was going on.

She does put them in the “train” line though…so Brett “The Drunk Raper” Kavanaugh is exactly who he says he wasn’t.

And now I gotta get busy…dammit. This is going to be an interesting day.

Keep up the reporting Lizards!

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:31:34am

re: #218 makeitstop

Once an asshole, always an asshole.

One obvious question about this account: Why would she constantly attend parties where she believed girls were being gang-raped?
STFU, Lowry.

a more obvious question: Why would HE?

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:34:43am

The writing is on the wall, kids. The distancing has begun.

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MsJ  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:34:46am

re: #197 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

WINNING ! ! !

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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:37:03am

If Kavanaugh doesn’t withdraw his name by COB, he’s either evil, completely fucking clueless, completely fucking arrogant, or all of the above.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:38:57am

re: #224 makeitstop

Yep. By her statement, it sounded like SOP for this frat.

I want Kavanaugh to go down hard for this. And his frat should lose their charter. Full. Fucking. Stop.

I meant for her, because that’s what Rod was implying.

This has zero bearing on the allegations mind you, I just want to smack Rod if possible.

Edited: I mean for her.

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calochortus  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:39:30am

I’m still trying to figure out why a calendar that shows Kavanaugh heading off for beach weekends with friends exonerates him.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:41:09am

Where’s Mitch with his big fucking mouth?

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Jay C  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:41:09am

re: #231 Dr. Matt

If Kavanaugh doesn’t withdraw his name by COB, he’s either evil, completely fucking clueless, completely fucking arrogant, or all of the above.

Or, in short, a Republican…

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:43:03am

re: #204 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I should have a macro for this, but it’s quick enough to type at 70-80 wpm:

Supreme Court Justice Merrick Garland can’t be reached for comment.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:43:12am

re: #233 calochortus

I’m still trying to figure out why a calendar that shows Kavanaugh heading off for beach weekends with friends exonerates him.

He is exonerated by the same people who brought us the birfer movement.

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:43:14am

re: #233 calochortus

I’m still trying to figure out why a calendar that shows Kavanaugh heading off for beach weekends with friends exonerates him.

All the calendars in the world aren’t gonna save his ass now.

I hope McConnell and Hatch are choking on their own bile right now.

Once the public gets a look at who they were trying to ram through confirmation, they’ll be among the most hated men in America.

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:43:53am

re: #225 Hecuba’s daughter

Boehner would have done well in the “ancient” times where both parties talked to each other and came to compromises. We live now in a “take no prisoners” world.

Boehner was no winner on this front either, but he was more pragmatic than post.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:44:09am

re: #238 makeitstop

All the calendars in the world aren’t gonna save his ass now.

I hope McConnell and Hatch are choking on their own bile right now.

Once the public gets a look at who they were trying to ram through confirmation, they’ll be among the most hated men in America.

He’s already down to only Republican support.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:44:50am

re: #232 Belafon

Update please, I left out a word.

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Danack  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:45:21am

re: #231 Dr. Matt

If Kavanaugh doesn’t withdraw his name by COB, he’s either evil, completely fucking clueless, completely fucking arrogant, or all of the above.

There’s another possible reason.

Kavanaugh has had a significant chunk of his debts written off in a very mysterious way.

He knew this stuff was likely to come out during a confirmation process.

It seems quite likely that he is only doing the nomination because he is beholden to other people for various things like paying off his debt, or possibly covering up other nefarious behaviour.

Quite simply, he might not be free to withdraw his nomination without seriously annoying whoever organised his nomination.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:45:43am

re: #233 calochortus

I’m still trying to figure out why a calendar that shows Kavanaugh heading off for beach weekends with friends exonerates him.

Because if he wrote down this trip, it implies he would have written down the party. Not really, but that’s what they hope to imply.

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:46:45am

Kavanaugh responds:

Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh dismissed a new allegation of misconduct against him on Wednesday, saying: “This is ridiculous and from the Twilight Zone. I don’t know who this is and this never happened.”

Yeah, you go ahead and run with that, Rapey.

Is it possible for a circuit judge to not understand the weight of a sworn affidavit?

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:46:48am

re: #242 Danack

I’m hoping Eichenwald or someone like him is chasing that down.

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:47:12am

re: #242 Danack

There’s another possible reason.

Kavanaugh has had a significant chunk of his debts written off in a very mysterious way.

He knew this stuff was likely to come out during a confirmation process.

It seems quite likely that he is only doing the nomination because he is beholden to other people for various things like paying off his debt, or possibly covering up other nefarious behaviour.

Quite simply, he might not be free to withdraw his nomination without seriously annoying whoever organised his nomination.

And yet we still don’t have the answer to that fundamental question about his financial situation. Where’d the debt go, and how was it paid off.

Trump’s team should know answer to this, if they did their due diligence. The Senate GOP should too, if they cared.

But it’s clear we don’t have that answer, because no one has answered it satisfactorily.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:47:25am

re: #239 lawhawk

Boehner was no winner on this front either, but he was more pragmatic than post.

As I recall: Boehner: ‘I Reject The Word’ Compromise

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BeachDem  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:48:27am

re: #179 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Perhaps he’s thinking of this episode—The Whole Truth

This, as the banner already has proclaimed, is Mr. Harvey HunnicutBrett Kavanaugh, an expert on commerce and con jobs, a brash, bright, and larceny-loaded wheeler and dealer who, when the good Lord passed out a conscience, must have gone for a beer and missed out…As a matter of fact, in just a few moments, they’ll give Harvey HunnicutBrett Kavanaugh something that he’s never experienced before. Through the good offices of a little magic, they will unload on Mr. HunnicutKavanaugh the absolute necessity to tell the truth. Exactly where they come from is conjecture, but as to where they’re heading for, this we know, because all of them - and you - are on the threshold of the Twilight Zone.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:49:27am

Rudy Giuliani Photographed With White Nationalist Mayoral Candidate

Faith Goldy’s mayoral bid has garnered little support. But it has earned her some controversial photo ops.

Her name seems like a reference to the failures of the right, faith in things that are not real, and lust for gold.

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:49:35am

re: #247 Dr. Matt

Boehner gets points for not shutting down the government when his party was in control of the House, Senate, and WH.

McConnell and policy wonk Ryan have been on hand for the shutdown twice on their watch.

And it’ll be episode 3 this Friday if the GOP can’t get a deal done, and Trump decides to shut it down because his idiotic wall isn’t funded in the latest package deal.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:50:20am

re: #248 BeachDem

“I don’t know who this is” = We gang raped so many chicks in High School, dude. It was so awesome.

“This never happened” = Oh, I’m just lying my ass off at this point. My wife is watching.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:50:27am

re: #247 Dr. Matt

As I recall: Boehner: ‘I Reject The Word’ Compromise

My bad — did not realize the term “common ground” has replaced “compromise” for the same concept!

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electrotek  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:50:39am

re: #249 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Rudy Giuliani Photographed With White Nationalist Mayoral Candidate

Her name seems like a reference to the failures of the right, faith in things that are not real, and lust for gold.

What a fucking piece of shit, posing with a Nazi Barbie doll?!

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calochortus  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:51:26am

re: #250 lawhawk

Boehner gets points for not shutting down the government when his party was in control of the House, Senate, and WH.

McConnell and policy wonk Ryan have been on hand for the shutdown twice on their watch.

And it’ll be episode 3 this Friday if the GOP can’t get a deal done, and Trump decides to shut it down because his idiotic wall isn’t funded in the latest package deal.

I do hope someone will be able to point out that shutdowns aren’t popular with voters and this time around the Dems won’t make a believable scapegoat.

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:51:43am

re: #253 electrotek

What a fucking piece of shit, posing with a Nazi Barbie doll?!

Rudy can’t resist the ladies, not even the Nazi ones.

I wonder if he’s proposed to her yet?

only a little //

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:52:00am

re: #253 electrotek

What a fucking piece of shit, posing with a Nazi Barbie doll?!

Guiliani got called a Nazi so often for his racist policing policies, that the left forced him to become a Nazi.
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:52:17am

Oh yeah, Rosenstein is getting fired tomorrow

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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:52:41am

re: #253 electrotek

What a fucking piece of shit, posing with a Nazi Barbie doll?!

She looks like a early stage meth head.

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:53:22am
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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:54:05am

re: #257 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Oh yeah, Rosenstein is getting fired tomorrow

Avenatti is a third rate lawyer who is good at making false accusations, like he did on me and like he is now doing on Judge Brett Kavanaugh. He is just looking for attention and doesn’t want people to look at his past record and relationships - a total low-life!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 26, 2018

More targeted harassment.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:54:38am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:54:56am

At this point I’m hoping that not only does kav not get on the Supreme Court but he loses his current job. My guess is that once he gets rejected he will go on a medical leave to get treatment and hope that the rest is forgotten.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:56:10am
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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:56:37am

re: #259 makeitstop

Mirroring the guy who nominated him for the lifetime position on the US Supreme Court.

Trump:
Repeatedly lies while getting deposed.
His own lawyers warn he can’t tell truth while under oath.
Accused of sex assault by 19 women.
Admits to being a sex predator who grabs women by the genitals but gets away with it because he’s Rick James bitch Donald fucking Trump.
His financial situation is precarious at best, and compromised at worst.
He didn’t release his tax records.
His campaign team is a laundry list of people who have cut plea deals or were convicted of federal felonies relating to their work with Trump’s campaign and thereafter the transition and administration.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:57:23am

The Moonie-Times pretends that “Project Veritas” is a serious organization.
washingtontimes.com

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:58:27am

re: #230 MsJ

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MSJ: and every part and component upstream, and down

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 9:59:29am

re: #236 lawhawk

I should have a macro for this, but it’s quick enough to type at 70-80 wpm:

Supreme Court Justice Merrick Garland can’t be reached for comment.

he wouldnt comment anyway

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calochortus  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:00:01am

re: #262 I Would Prefer Not To

At this point I’m hoping that not only does kav not get on the Supreme Court but he loses his current job. My guess is that once he gets rejected he will go on a medical leave to get treatment and hope that the rest is forgotten.

So maybe all this about “ruining a good man’s life” wasn’t hyperbole?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:00:14am

re: #265 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Right-wing media have implied that Hrabar was let go because of a sting video by Project Veritas, a conservative outlet, but the DOJ moved not to renew her contract before the video was released.

thedailybeast.com

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:02:00am
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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:04:22am
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calochortus  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:04:41am

re: #263 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Sure, I’ll help him with that. “Bros before hos.” I was discussing this with my daughter yesterday. She related the story of a friend of hers who dated a Deke (briefly.) Generally a nice guy, but he said something to the girlfriend about loyalty to his frat brothers. She asked if he knew about a rape perpetrated by one of them, would he report it? He said he would not. Points for honesty, I suppose, but it ended that relationship.

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:05:26am

re: #268 calochortus

So maybe all this about “ruining a good man’s life” wasn’t hyperbole?

Except for the ‘good man’ part, yeah.

It must suck for these pampered sons of bitches to finally face consequences for their actions when they finally hit their 50s. Poor dears.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:05:45am

Ad I currently see at the top of LGF:

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Amory Blaine  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:06:46am

I prefer toe fungus ads.

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calochortus  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:06:52am

re: #274 Eclectic Cyborg

Ad I currently see at the top of LGF:

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Snerk.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:07:13am

I’m seeing lots of “she claimed the gang rape happened after BK’s calendar went public; she saw BEACH WEEK then made it up!”

Morons.

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:07:29am

re: #271 jaunte

The chief counsel for the Judicial Crisis Network, the main outside group supporting Kavanaugh’s nomination, is unwilling to say definitively that Kavanaugh should be confirmed in light of Swetnick’s new allegations.

Last one out, turn out the lights. He’s done, no matter what his blustering backers have to say today.

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VegasGolfer  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:08:50am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:10:20am

re: #271 jaunte

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It is. Maybe just maybe there’s a few somewhat unhideous Republican Senators that will reject him too.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:10:27am

re: #206 Eventual Carrion

But, you know, Obama smoked pot in his younger days!

//

Also Saul Alisky!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:11:41am
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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:11:53am

re: #278 makeitstop

Last one out, turn out the lights. He’s done, no matter what his blustering backers have to say today.

He’s not done until he’s off the federal bench.

He clearly lacks the character and judgment to be a judge.

And that the FBI didn’t catch this in their earlier investigation isn’t particularly surprising either. Women don’t want to come forward because they’re victimized again and again by right wingers who attack these women, claim they’re liars, and cause still more harm to them.

Dr. Ford was the one who broke this out into the open. But it also takes more than one woman to come forward with credible claims because it’s still the case that women aren’t believed by law enforcement, public opinion, or politicians who think he said/she said invariably favors the guy being elevated.

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:12:27am

Today’s front-runner in the ‘Needs a punch in the throat’ sweepstakes - Chuck Grassley.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:12:50am

Does French and Hewitt both lawyers realize how much this new accuser risks if she’s found to have lied about this? But yeah poor Blackout Brett, wouldn’t want his “sterling” reputation going to shit and you can bet Montgomery County is going to want to talk to him and the boys.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:13:21am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:13:23am

re: #282 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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You can if people cover for you your whole life.

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BeachDem  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:13:23am

re: #263 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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David French: And despite this common knowledge no one has talked publicly for three decades, until the day before a crucial Senate hearing.

Gee—David French’s wife, Nancy, his co-author (and Palin ghost-writer extraordinaire) had a bit of a different take back in the Roy Moore days on 2017:

The evil of sexual predators is that they attack the weak, make them weaker, then discredit them because of their weakness. These arrogant monsters go on to bigger and better things, leaving a collection of wounded people in their wake. But these victims, one by one, are coming forward anyway — well aware that they’ll be mocked and disbelieved, well aware that some will scrutinize their lives more harshly than their predators’.

washingtonpost.com

And let us remember that…

In Home and Away, a book written by David and Nancy French, the couple talks about their experience staying together while David was deployed in Iraq. They revealed that they set up rules for what Nancy was not allowed to do while David was gone.

These rules included the fact that Nancy was not allowed to drink, she could not use Facebook, and she could not “have phone conversations with men, or meaningful e-mail exchanges about politics or any other subject.” At one point, Nancy began an email exchange with a man to talk about faith, but David insisted she end the conversation.

Yeah, I really want to hear what that asshole has to say about anything.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:14:26am

re: #288 BeachDem

David French: And despite this common knowledge no one has talked publicly for three decades, until the day before a crucial Senate hearing.

Gee—David French’s wife, Nancy, his co-author (and Palin ghost-writer extraordinaire) had a bit of a different take back in the Roy Moore days on 2017:

The evil of sexual predators is that they attack the weak, make them weaker, then discredit them because of their weakness. These arrogant monsters go on to bigger and better things, leaving a collection of wounded people in their wake. But these victims, one by one, are coming forward anyway — well aware that they’ll be mocked and disbelieved, well aware that some will scrutinize their lives more harshly than their predators’.

washingtonpost.com

And let us remember that…

In Home and Away, a book written by David and Nancy French, the couple talks about their experience staying together while David was deployed in Iraq. They revealed that they set up rules for what Nancy was not allowed to do while David was gone.

These rules included the fact that Nancy was not allowed to drink, she could not use Facebook, and she could not “have phone conversations with men, or meaningful e-mail exchanges about politics or any other subject.” At one point, Nancy began an email exchange with a man to talk about faith, but David insisted she end the conversation.

Yeah, I really want to hear what that asshole has to say about anything.

Typical NRO scum.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:14:26am

This isn’t over until its over. Kavanagh could still be confirmed.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:14:59am

re: #282 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I don’t necessarily agree with that. But you have to own up to it and strive to be better. Well the rapist part is very bad and some punishment should be meted out.

EDIT: Added the last part for clarity.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:15:26am

re: #287 HappyWarrior

You can if people cover for you your whole life.

Yep, but it puts a cap on how far you can advance without being destroyed by your past, and for whatever reason, Kavanaugh and Trump both forgot about that.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:15:50am

If this was a nominee from a Democratic President, it wouldn’t have reached a third victim. They were have been forced to withdraw after their first.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:16:12am

re: #292 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Yep, but it puts a cap on how far you can advance without being destroyed by your past, and for whatever reason, Kavanaugh and Trump both forgot about that.

There’s also no honesty about his past by him.

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plansbandc  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:16:19am

re: #290 Eclectic Cyborg

Agreed. Republicans could not give a fuck less about the allegations.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:17:17am

re: #293 Dr. Matt

If this was a nominee from a Democratic President, it wouldn’t have reached a third victim. They were have been forced to withdraw after their first.

There wouldn’t have been a first because a Dem administration wouldn’t have appointed such a person or done such shabby vetting.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:18:01am

This dude is a sexual predator.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:18:07am

re: #284 makeitstop

Today’s front-runner in the ‘Needs a punch in the throat’ sweepstakes - Chuck Grassley.

At least Grassley seems to be concerned about the woman making the accusation, rather than just flat denying it.

But that’s just my take from the quote attributed to him.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:18:07am

re: #296 HappyWarrior

There wouldn’t have been a first because a Dem administration wouldn’t have appointed such a person or done such shabby vetting.

True

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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:18:24am

re: #297 HappyWarrior

This dude is a sexual predator.

He’s a republican….so, yeah.

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calochortus  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:18:31am

But he passed all those background checks! Except that that wasn’t what they were looking for.
Apparently now the FBI background checks for high offices will have to include looking for sexual assault in the person’s past? I don’t know if that is good or bad.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:18:36am
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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:18:56am

re: #289 HappyWarrior

Typical NRO scum.

And ostensibly a ‘Never Trumper.’

Now we see where these guys draw that line. Rick Wilson hasn’t said anything today, either.

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wrenchwench  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:19:17am

re: #293 Dr. Matt

If this was a nominee from a Democratic President, it wouldn’t have reached a third victim. They were have been forced to withdraw after their first.

And since it is not, each new witness victim who grants credibility to any accusation, needs three more witnesses fellow victims to gain her own credibility.

edited for clarity.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:19:37am

re: #303 makeitstop

And ostensibly a ‘Never Trumper.’

Now we see where these guys draw that line. Rick Wilson hasn’t said anything today, either.

Yep. Goddamn I hate NR.

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Jay C  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:20:11am

re: #278 makeitstop

Last one out, turn out the lights. He’s done, no matter what his blustering backers have to say today.

I wish I could be so sure: the Judiciary Committee is still committed to having Christine Ford testify tomorrow (and Kavanaugh) - unless BK bails today, that’s still going to be on. Also, I’m not sure the Senate Republicans aren’t just going to say “fuck it”, and try to ram the nomination through by any means necessary. They have GOT to all be thoroughly steamed over this whole mess: they’ve been seriously played by Feinstein and the other Democrats, and they have been backed into a corner where (outside of K withdrawing) there is no positive outcome for them.
But then, this is Mitch McConnell’s Senate bloc: no one should put any tactic past him to get what he (or his paymasters) want.

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:22:52am
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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:24:00am
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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:24:15am

re: #301 calochortus

But he passed all those background checks! Except that that wasn’t what they were looking for.
Apparently now the FBI background checks for high offices will have to include looking for sexual assault in the person’s past? I don’t know if that is good or bad.

There’s a special hidden tab in a personal background file that documents gang rapes, teenage alcoholism, and gagging 17 year olds. The FBI didn’t click on it.

//

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:24:25am

Blind Squirrel Baby Whiplash finds an acorn:

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:24:53am

Jeff “Both Sides” Flake

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:25:14am

re: #310 The Vicious Babushka

Blind Squirrel Baby Whiplash finds an acorn:

C’mon, Ben, don’t do this to me.

/

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:25:31am

re: #293 Dr. Matt

If this was a nominee from a Democratic President, it wouldn’t have reached a third victim. They were have been forced to withdraw after their first.

Ahem
Wouldn’t have made it down the 6 blocks to the senate

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Jay C  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:25:52am

re: #307 jaunte

Gee, Jen: isn’t the answer obvious?

Just IMO, a way better thing would be to have someone other than a reporter make this point: say, one of the Democratic Senators on the SJC. Any one will do.

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:25:59am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:26:30am

re: #308 jaunte

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Really showing your ugly colors Lindsay. How much do you pay Trump from exposing your secrets?

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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:26:52am

re: #308 jaunte

Linsey is [desperately] shooting messenger.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:26:53am

re: #310 The Vicious Babushka

Blind Squirrel Baby Whiplash finds an acorn:

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Still an asshole but yep.

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Skip Intro  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:27:07am

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:27:36am

re: #314 Jay C

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Gee, Jen: isn’t the answer obvious?

Just IMO, a way better thing would be to have someone other than a reporter make this point: say, one of the Democratic Senators on the SJC. Any one will do.

A guilty man wouldn’t especially one with powerful Republican friends to cover his sorry ass.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:27:45am

re: #301 calochortus

But he passed all those background checks! Except that that wasn’t what they were looking for.
Apparently now the FBI background checks for high offices will have to include looking for sexual assault in the person’s past? I don’t know if that is good or bad.

What about the financial irregularities? Didn’t the FBI investigate those? Where did he get the down payment for his mortgage? The curious $200,000 expenditure on baseball tickets?

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wrenchwench  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:28:02am

re: #311 jaunte

Jeff “Both Sides” Flake

Everybody involved is human. Humans make mistakes.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:28:23am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:29:21am
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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:29:24am
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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:29:34am

re: #311 jaunte

Jeff “Both Sides” Flake

Yeah, fuck that guy.

I noticed he did not even acknowledge today’s developments, repeatedly referring to two accusers.

Somebody tell Senator Squish that there are three now.

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calochortus  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:29:38am

re: #321 Hecuba’s daughter

What about the financial irregularities? Didn’t the FBI investigate those? Where did he get the down payment for his mortgage? The curious $200,000 expenditure on baseball tickets?

Yeah. That’s kind of odd.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:29:49am

re: #314 Jay C

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Gee, Jen: isn’t the answer obvious?

Just IMO, a way better thing would be to have someone other than a reporter make this point: say, one of the Democratic Senators on the SJC. Any one will do.

That was certainly her implied point. She just wanted to emphasize that to her followers.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:30:18am
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Alephnaught  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:30:52am

Victoria’s Secret opening in Glasgow today, which is apparently a big thing, judging by the queue.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:31:03am

Remember the old days when having an undocumented nanny was enough to sink a nomination for the GOP.//

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:31:11am

re: #308 jaunte

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Llindsey. The character of the lawyer is not material.
The sworn statement is

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Teukka  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:31:42am

Your afternoon dose of horror/gore (cartoon):

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:31:59am

re: #329 goddamnedfrank

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He knows she’s telling the truth and an investigation would reveal more about the rotting onion that is Brett Kavanaugh.

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:32:50am

re: #332 dangerman

Lindsey looks askance at porn stars and their lawyers without considering all the voters in red states that have made them stars, or the president that has sex with them.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:33:14am

re: #332 dangerman

Llindsey. The character of the lawyer is not material.
The sworn statement is

Avanetti is less sleazy than Trump and the men who represent him. Ditto Stormy. She’s honest about who she is. Not Trump.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:33:44am

re: #308 jaunte

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The level of debasement from Graham is stunning.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:35:04am
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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:35:20am

Trumpworld is a corrupt and compromised cesspool of criminality and misconduct.

Everyone is smeared by Trump’s touch. Everyone.

Haberman reports that HR McMaster confirms Cohn’s account of taking papers from Trump’s desk to keep him from seeing and acting on them.

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mmmirele  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:36:27am

I just left a message with Sen. Flake, told him I was a victim of sexual assault, his both sides speech is ridiculous and there should be an investigation of Kavanaugh.

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Interesting Times  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:36:28am

Not sure if this will go anywhere (depends upon the judge hearing the case, for starters), but it’s certainly worth doing just so you can say you did:

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:36:35am

re: #336 HappyWarrior

Avanetti is less sleazy than Trump and the men who represent him. Ditto Stormy. She’s honest about who she is. Not Trump.

Unfortunately, it doesn’t demean a man’s reputation to be a playboy who sleeps with many women; a woman who sleeps with several men is deemed to be a slut and tramp.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:37:07am

re: #331 HappyWarrior

Remember the old days when having an undocumented nanny was enough to sink a nomination for the GOP.//

Zoe Baird
Kimball wood

Both women

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:37:19am

re: #338 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Opening markets? With your stupid tariffs, no one will want to trade with you.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:38:06am

re: #343 dangerman

Zoe Baird
Kimball wood

Both women

Yep! But no sexist double standards.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:38:34am

re: #342 Hecuba’s daughter

Unfortunately, it doesn’t demean a man’s reputation to be a playboy who sleeps with many women; a woman who sleeps with several men is deemed to be a slut and tramp.

Yep. It’s a crock of shit.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:39:12am

re: #343 dangerman

Zoe Baird
Kimball wood

Both women

And not for lifetime appointments — only for Attorney General.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:39:21am

re: #335 jaunte

Lindsey looks askance at porn stars and their lawyers without considering all the voters in red states that have made them stars, or the president that has sex with them.

There is that

Hell if we considered lawyers characters…..

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Interesting Times  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:39:49am

Excellent thread in rebuttal to all the “why did she go to those parties” trolls:

Read the whole thing.

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danarchy  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:41:01am

re: #224 makeitstop

Yep. By her statement, it sounded like SOP for this frat.

I want Kavanaugh to go down hard for this. And his frat should lose their charter. Full. Fucking. Stop.

These accusations are from high school not college. There was no Frat involved.

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:42:27am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:44:01am

re: #351 jaunte

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Okay asshole, why would she risk losing her job, clearance, & even go to jail? Stop blaming the victims because you’re a right wing asshole who wants other right wing assholes on SCOTUS.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:44:26am

Flake takes the floor to shrug his shoulders and dig in his bellybutton.

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gocart mozart  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:46:19am
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Interesting Times  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:48:39am

re: #354 gocart mozart

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wrenchwench  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:49:49am

re: #350 danarchy

These accusations are from high school not college. There was no Frat involved.

Shut down the Catholic boys’ school that maintained a frat-like atmosphere. Hell, while you’re at it, shut down the Catholic Church for sex crimes.

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:50:01am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:50:12am

re: #355 Interesting Times

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He shouldn’t be anywhere near the WH but Mike can keep triggering Trump until we get Trump a new Holme in a federal prison.

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:51:40am

re: #356 wrenchwench

Shut down the Catholic boys’ school that maintained a frat-like atmosphere. Hell, while you’re at it, shut down the Catholic Church for sex crimes.

The Catholic Church routinely covered up sex abuse and sex crimes by its staffers across decades. Decades.

How did the FBI not uncover that? Oh wait - they weren’t looking and no one was willing to open up about the abuse, but once one person came forward to law enforcement, the others started to find their voice.

It’s no different here.

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fern01  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:52:12am

re: #142 Belafon

Also, I think Avenatti’s antics are needed to get through the noise being generated by the administration. Think about the other person accusing Kanavaugh. Her lawyer got an interview on Maddow, but we’re not hearing about her because the GOP has been successful in the games they’re playing. Avenatti makes people pay attention to him.

There will come a time when his antics will be over the top, but we’re not there.

His antics NEED to be over the top. An earlier poster was discussing the NYT report that included 5 republicans and 1 generic democrat response. Avenatti is fighting this president* as every democrat in and out of congress should be fighting. He also ties up the legal issues. So he likes who he is and what he does - he should be liking himself when people like his latest client come to him for advice.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:52:15am

Pro-Kavanaugh hack can barely speak following the latest rapey news.

MP4 Video

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wrenchwench  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:52:51am

re: #359 lawhawk

The Catholic Church routinely covered up sex abuse and sex crimes by its staffers across decades. Decades.

How did the FBI not uncover that? Oh wait - they weren’t looking and no one was willing to open up about the abuse, but once one person came forward to law enforcement, the others started to find their voice.

It’s no different here.

Patriarchy hurts everyone. All of us.

Edit:

Or is it Each of us? I’m gonna hafta give up proof reading, or give up posting.

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:53:35am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:54:04am

re: #357 jaunte

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Good read. Man it just gets me wondering about how many women I know have understandably kept stuff that’s happened to them quiet.

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Interesting Times  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:55:01am

Republican politicians are absolute, utter gutter filth. That is all.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:55:05am

re: #363 jaunte

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And those who did say things were blamed or told it was okay.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:55:24am

re: #365 Interesting Times

Republican politicians are absolute, utter gutter filth. That is all.

Gutter filth has a use.

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:56:36am

re: #355 Interesting Times

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Avenatti’s gonna bait the fuck out of Trump.

And Trump has already proven he’s stupid enough to swallow that hook. This could get loud.

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Skip Intro  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:56:44am

GOOD!

Hoagie Chain Taylor Gourmet Will Close All of Its Stores

Sources say owner Casey Patten’s meeting with President Trump hurt business

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:58:49am

Why didn’t they speak up.

1,000+ victims of sex abuse uncovered in PA Grand Jury report spanning abuse by Catholic priests over 7+ decades. Those in position of power routinely abuse their position to stay in power. They carried out abuse, and made those abused feel like they deserved it.

The abusers avoided scrutiny and those who were abused didn’t want to come forward for fear for themselves and their already fragile mental health. But once one person finds their voice, others come forward.

Turns out that where there’s smoke, there’s a goddamned wildfire.

Kavanaugh’s abuse is little different. Men think they can abuse and get away with it, and their victims bear the burdens until one comes forward with the strength and voice to say no. This ends here.

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:59:04am
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fern01  Sep 26, 2018 • 10:59:17am

re: #180 Dr. Matt

Honestly, I wish it was anyone but Avenatti that was breaking this news.

Obviously the woman who came forward trusts Avenatti. She knows he is on her side - and that is all that matters. He is also on the democrats side - any help should be more than welcome.

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BeenHereAwhile  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:00:13am

re: #53 lawhawk

They don’t have a clue what they’re sending out, and they don’t care. This is basic functionality of the Comms team. They can’t handle basic communications tasks, or checking for what is otherwise a stock response.

It’s not like someone was asking a serious policy question; the WH responds to these as a matter of course.

All political offices have a repository of stock/form letters they use; that Trump bungles even this menial task shows how incompetent they are from top to bottom.

They just don’t give a shit what they’re doing.

Ex-P.F.C. Wintergreen

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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:00:24am

“Why did those kids keep going to Catholic Mass when their priests kept raping them?”
~GOP 2018

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Dave In Austin  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:00:34am

I was at the lake for the last 3 hrs. Can anyone give me the 10000000ft view?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:01:18am

Lindsay Graham’s America where the attorney of the porn star and porn star who slept with the President are the scummy people but not the President who carried on that affair with her while his new wife was pregnant.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:01:37am

re: #375 Dave In Austin

I was at the lake for the last 3 hrs. Can anyone give me the 10000000ft view?

Third victim. Sworn affidavit. Gang rape.

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Kragar  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:02:03am
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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:04:56am

re: #357 jaunte

[TW: Rape, Kavanaugh] Alright, here is a thread because I am tired of people asking why Julie Swetnick would still go to parties where girls were raped.

i get this
honestly

and i think it’s the wrong question in the circumstances

why would HE go to those parties (plural)

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:05:03am
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b.d.(soros funded)  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:06:00am
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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:06:04am

re: #378 Kragar

Increasingly worried, Trump takes over Kavanaugh defense

My fondest wish at this moment is that if Trump decides to make a completely tone-deaf, dismissive and potentially defamatory statement against Kavanaugh’s accusers, he does it on live TV.

Let it all hang out, there, Spanky. Tell the whole country how you really feel about women. I’m pretty sure Fox News will put you right on, no questions asked.

You know you want to. What could it hurt?

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Dave In Austin  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:06:36am

Looks like Dumps whining about Avenatti now?

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:07:17am

re: #372 fern01

Obviously the woman who came forward trusts Avenatti. She knows he is on her side - and that is all that matters. He is also on the democrats side - any help should be more than welcome.

In our 21st century reality world and Trump era, people who are polite, soft-spoken and courteous don’t get coverage. It’s the Avenattis of the world who are heard.

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:07:23am

re: #382 makeitstop

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:07:25am

re: #383 Dave In Austin

Looks like Dumps whining about Avenatti now?

Yep.

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:07:53am

re: #383 Dave In Austin

Looks like Dumps whining about Avenatti now?

Yep. Avenatti hung a piece of bait out there, and Trump jumped at it like a big ol’ brook trout.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:09:29am

re: #369 Skip Intro

GOOD!

Hoagie Chain Taylor Gourmet Will Close All of Its Stores

but but my free speech to be able to eat where i want….

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:09:37am

re: #369 Skip Intro

GOOD!

Hoagie Chain Taylor Gourmet Will Close All of Its Stores

They say there were two in Chicago, but we have Sub shops, not Hoagie chains.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:09:38am

re: #383 Dave In Austin

Looks like Dumps whining about Avenatti now?

That’s our MAGA POTUS, focused on the big stuff.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:09:42am

re: #263 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I don’t want any of those guys near levers of power, OK?

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:10:30am

re: #371 jaunte

Flake says he gave his Senate speech about Kavanaugh without having looked at the new sexual assault allegations from two and a half hours ago

maybe he should have waited and reviewed it first

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:11:20am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:12:02am

You can bet your ass that Montgomery County PD will want to look into this. And it’s why I believe all the accusers completely.

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:12:30am

re: #392 dangerman

maybe he should have waited and reviewed it first

Dude, that would have totally wrecked the delicate balance of that false equivalency he spent so much time constructing.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:12:34am

I don’t know if this is a valid source, but it says that Trump is going to hold a news conference about this at 5:00 p.m. EST. Link

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:12:37am

re: #393 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Oh but you were so sure that a good man is being smeared. Coward.

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:12:45am

re: #284 makeitstop

Today’s front-runner in the ‘Needs a punch in the throat’ sweepstakes - Chuck Grassley.

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That comment made me fire off another contact form submission to Robby Portman…Ohio Senator and friend of Kavanaugh.

It is behind the private tag for those interested.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:13:05am
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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:13:22am
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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:13:55am

re: #387 makeitstop

Yep. Avenatti hung a piece of bait out there, and Trump jumped at it like a big ol’ brook trout orange roughy.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:14:09am

re: #392 dangerman

maybe he should have waited and reviewed it first

Avenatti made it clear his revelation was happening today. Flake is on the Judiciary Committee; you’d think he would be paying attention to this.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:14:10am

re: #387 makeitstop

Yep. Avenatti hung a piece of bait out there, and Trump jumped at it like a big ol’ brook trout.

In fishing terms, that’s know as “Flushing the Toilet”….

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:14:58am
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Dave In Austin  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:15:35am

re: #401 dangerman

Yep. Avenatti hung a piece of bait out there, and Trump jumped at it like a big ol’ brook trout orange roughy. Golden Carp….

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:16:10am
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Eventual Carrion  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:16:19am

re: #385 jaunte

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Next question is, “Why don’t you answer the first fucking question?”.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:16:56am

re: #314 Jay C

I think Senator Hirono did that the other day.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:16:58am

re: #393 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

rump was just asked “do you think all women are lying?” and he looked at the reporter then said “What’s the next question?”

Jeff “We call BS” Furlington
@FurlingtonJeff
He needs to be told firmly to answer the current question. He’s an elderly con-man who’s gotten away with a lot, and it’s up to the press to hold him accountable.

the next question is “why wont you answer his question”

these reporters are cowards
theyve arrived at where protecting their access is more important than than their character, reputation and the facts in front oft their faces

its cowardice - this passive aggressive schtick of letting him not answer stuff and then reporting that ‘we asked, he didnt answer’

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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:17:19am
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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:18:13am

re: #308 jaunte

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Well Lindsey is sure showing his ass in all of this.

What a fucking massive asshole.

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:18:37am

I missed this little morsel…

All roads lead to Moscow, amirite?

Now I’ve got a pretty good idea where the money came from to get Kavanaugh flush…

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:18:42am

re: #398 ObserverArt

That comment made me fire off another contact form submission to Robby Portman…Ohio Senator and friend of Kavanaugh.

It is behind the private tag for those interested.

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i know you write to him a lot
do you ever get responses?
or even acknowledgements of receipt?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:18:50am
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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:19:07am

Oh yeah, we haven’t been involved in a guerrilla war in a mountainous jungle with neutral bordering countries for a long time. Most people have forgotten how that goes.

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b.d.(soros funded)  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:19:43am

re: #411 ObserverArt

Well Lindsey is sure showing his ass in all of this.

What a fucking massive asshole.

Auditioning for Session’s job is a full time bitch.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:21:18am

re: #399 Charles Johnson

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Globalism is why we succeeded. Globalism is why your family is here. Fuck off Peter Trump blower.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:21:19am

re: #402 Hecuba’s daughter

Avenatti made it clear his revelation was happening today. Flake is on the Judiciary Committee; you’d think he would be paying attention to this.

’s what im saying
merely as functioning adults, these folks are really bad at planning and predicting….

i dont see how any of them could hold a real job
one with performance standards and periodic reviews

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:22:18am

re: #404 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Just ask the same question over and over again. It’s time to hold the con-man accountable for the things he says and does. This has gone on for too long already.

AND for the things they let him get away without saying

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wrenchwench  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:22:43am

re: #414 Charles Johnson

[We’re now on final approach to a “wag the dog” moment. ]

But cabinet members have removed the dog’s tail…

The ears are still there.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:23:41am

re: #406 jaunte

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a very good two tweet summation of the entire kavanaugh event

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:24:19am

re: #414 Charles Johnson

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I would truly be shocked if Trump actually does that, because it will generate a firestorm of opposition to Trump’s regime like nothing he has seen yet. There is no excuse Americans would accept for such an attack; no possibility that Venezuela is developing MSD’s or is any sort of national security threat to the US.

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:24:37am

This should trigger the biggest mass facepalm in all of history…

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MsJ  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:25:11am
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wrenchwench  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:26:11am

re: #422 Big Beautiful Door

I would truly be shocked if Trump actually does that, because it will generate a firestorm of opposition to Trump’s regime like nothing he has seen yet. There is no excuse Americans would accept for such an attack; no possibility that Venezuela is developing MSD’s or is any sort of national security threat to the US.

They are sitting on our oil, keeping it from reaching our refineries. Gas is too high!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:26:27am

re: #423 makeitstop

This should trigger the biggest mass facepalm in all of history…

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That’s a strange way of putting it when you don’t have one opposition Senator committed to vote for him. At least our Fascism is as equally clueless as it is evil.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:27:02am

re: #377 Dr. Matt

Third victim. Sworn affidavit. Gang rape.

I think the 10000000ft view is just BOOM!!!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:27:05am

re: #424 MsJ

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He wishes Kavanaugh would trash them like he has and will.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:27:09am

re: #423 makeitstop

This should trigger the biggest mass facepalm in all of history…

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Well they are on track to vote him out of committee Friday and confirm him next week. Without some truly explosive hard evidence, I’m coming to believe that the GOP is going to proceed with confirming Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court.

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Interesting Times  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:27:21am

re: #424 MsJ

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:27:41am

Fox Insider email just in, testing Aughbrett talking points.
IN the lead, the time-tested SOROS!!!

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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:28:04am

Seems like it was ages ago that some Nazi Barbi was flashing white power hand signs at McRapey’s hearing.

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:28:09am

But wait, they have more:

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:28:42am

re: #425 wrenchwench

They are sitting on our oil, keeping it from reaching our refineries. Gas is too high!

That is not a reason Americans will accept. If Trump invades Venezuela, the nation is going to explode in protest. I doubt even the Congressional GOP will back him.

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plansbandc  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:30:27am

re: #385 jaunte

I’ve never hated anyone more in my entire life.

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Kragar  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:31:18am
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wrenchwench  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:31:21am

re: #434 Big Beautiful Door

That is not a reason Americans will accept. If Trump invades Venezuela, the nation is going to explode in protest. I doubt even the Congressional GOP will back him.

Someone in the administration will calmly explain how this will help those poor, starving Venezuelans. I’ve seen it done.

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:31:39am

re: #425 wrenchwench

Oddly enough the CITGO (majority owned by Venezuelan state oil co. PDVSA) CEO is named Chavez.
en.wikipedia.org

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:33:07am

re: #424 MsJ

“Until Judge Kavanaugh is appointed to the Supreme Court, I’m going keep making him ten feet taller.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:33:15am

re: #437 wrenchwench

Someone in the administration will calmly explain how this will help those poor, starving Venezuelans. I’ve seen it done.

That will last until the video images of dead bodies, and screaming, bloody children start blowing up on social media, oh, about five minutes after the invasion begins.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:34:20am

re: #436 Kragar

An invasion will not save them or him.

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:34:24am

re: #371 jaunte

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Flake is so damn dense he doesn’t seem to realize how much of a joke he is being seen by 70% of America.

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone make an ass of themselves in this manner.

Jeff…word of advice. Shut the Fuck Up! You are not helping, most of all yourself.

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wrenchwench  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:34:56am

re: #438 jaunte

Oddly enough the CITGO (majority owned by Venezuelan state oil co. PDVSA) CEO is named Chavez.
en.wikipedia.org

Thanks for the link. He’s a cousin! Is that how they spell ‘dynasty’ in Spanish?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:35:17am

re: #433 jaunte

But wait, they have more:

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What I most appreciate about Fox News and Fox Nation is how objective and bipartisan it all is.

/

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MsJ  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:36:01am

re: #442 ObserverArt

Flake is so damn dense he doesn’t seem to realize how much of a joke he is being seen by 70% of America.

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone make an ass of themselves in this manner.

Jeff…word of advice. Shut the Fuck Up! You are not helping, most of all yourself.

Remember, flake used to be tea party nuts. He’s mellowed, but he’s still who he is inside. And he’s a Republican who will bow to Republican desires.

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fern01  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:36:27am

re: #378 Kragar

Trump takes over Kavanaugh defense

Well this sounds like a smart move - for everyone except Kavanaugh

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can't think of a decent username  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:36:47am

re: #436 Kragar

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Are they saying, out loud, that they’re sending a “hospital ship” to Venezuela so they can sink it and claim Venezuela did it?

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:37:11am

re: #378 Kragar

Jake Tapper ✔
@jaketapper
* 40m
Increasingly worried, Trump takes over Kavanaugh defense @CNN cnn.it

He is surely done now. Trump is going to make it worse thinking he can come to his aid.

Another fine example of Trump thinking he is the biggest brain in any room.

“I’m know more than the lawyers!”

Hello Leonard Zelig.

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wrenchwench  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:37:24am

re: #440 Big Beautiful Door

That will last until the video images of dead bodies, and screaming, bloody children start blowing up on social media, oh, about five minutes after the invasion begins.

I saw it happen on TV on the evening news. Didn’t end that war. I think social media will be a more potent ‘normalizer’.

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:38:42am

re: #381 b.d.(true to form)

Red T Raccoon
@RedTRaccoon
Susan Collins and Jeff Flake rode an elevator for six hours together because they didn’t want to commit to a floor.

1:53 PM - Sep 26, 2018

*snort!*

That was a good one.

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:38:43am
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fern01  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:39:28am

re: #384 Hecuba’s daughter

In our 21st century reality world and Trump era, people who are polite, soft-spoken and courteous don’t get coverage. It’s the Avenattis of the world who are heard.

And most of them are republicans - going high is a wonderful concept - but it seems to have elected trump (with a little help from his russian friends). Having a few on the side of truth has to be a benefit to the US and the world.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:39:44am

re: #423 makeitstop

This should trigger the biggest mass facepalm in all of history…

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I suppose it depends on what it is that they’re really trying to distract us from.

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Kragar  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:40:07am

re: #447 can’t think of a decent username

Are they saying, out loud, that they’re sending a “hospital ship” to Venezuela so they can sink it and claim Venezuela did it?

Remember the Maine?

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:40:18am

re: #451 jaunte

Baseball tickes on credit cards, the same excuse used by one of Manafort’s associates. Coincidence?

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:41:11am

re: #387 makeitstop

Yep. Avenatti hung a piece of bait out there, and Trump jumped at it like a big ol’ brook trout.

Brook Trout are nice fish.

I suggest it was a stink worm on a hook with a big sinker laying in the sludge at the bottom of the lake where a big ol’ fat carp finds it and sucks it up.

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:41:20am

re: #455 Belafon

And doesn’t quite cover all the “wow, suddenly all my bills are paid” strangeness in Kavanaugh’s finances.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:41:34am

re: #214 Dr. Matt

John Boehner is cracking open his second bottle of chardonnay for the day.

He’s savoring a bowl of Skyline Chili!

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MsJ  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:42:21am

re: #458 Joe Bacon 🌹

He’s savoring a bowl of Skyline Chili!

5 Way? Yum!

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Kragar  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:43:28am
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:45:51am

re: #431 jaunte

SOROS!!

DRINK!

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:46:54am
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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:47:12am

re: #413 dangerman

i know you write to him a lot
do you ever get responses?
or even acknowledgements of receipt?

Every once in awhile I get a canned response.

There is a good chance I am marked as a sure trash bin candidate.

But I don’t care. It is my right. It makes me feel better.

In this case, Rob probably doesn’t have any prepared boilerplate for this.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:48:13am

re: #460 Kragar

Dennis Hastert.

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jaunte  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:48:51am
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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:50:18am

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:50:52am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:52:44am

I know there are those who cringe at the mention of Michael Avenatti, but the man has a demonstrated ability to get Trump to flip out. AND his Stormy Daniels lawsuit helped bring down Cohen and get him to cooperate.

I don’t want him for President, but unlike Trump, his self-promotion is not solely about promoting himself.

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:55:44am

Cowards. The lot of them.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:56:26am
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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:56:47am

if i were a cat i’d be asleep on the bed all day

i wouldnt know anything about this nonsense

and i wouldn’t care that i didnt know

i’ve got proof of it here
two of em

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:57:22am

re: #431 jaunte

Fox Insider email just in, testing Aughbrett talking points.
IN the lead, the time-tested SOROS!!!

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George Soros. Of course. God you guys love using Jews to scare your old base.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:58:10am

re: #431 jaunte

Fox Insider email just in, testing Aughbrett talking points.
IN the lead, the time-tested SOROS!!!

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HEY WERE JUST ASKING QUESTIONS HERE AND WHAT ABOUT SAUL ALINSKY?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:59:19am

re: #460 Kragar

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Garbage people have accomplished far more than Kavanaugh. Look at Theodore McCarrick. But I get it, Erick this is where you want to draw a kind in the sand.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2018 • 11:59:23am

re: #473 Sir John Barron

HEY WERE JUST ASKING QUESTIONS HERE AND WHAT ABOUT SAUL ALINSKY?

Was Jewy Jewstein unavailable?
///

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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:00:10pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:00:11pm

re: #474 HappyWarrior

Garbage people have accomplished far more than Kavanaugh. Look at Theodore McCarrick. But I get it, Erick this is where you want to draw a kind in the sand.

Seriously, Erickson is totally losing his shit over Kavanaugh.

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:00:41pm

Hmmm…

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wrenchwench  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:01:35pm

re: #476 Charles Johnson

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On the lawn? Is it Friday?

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:02:05pm

re: #460 Kragar

Garbage people do not accomplish what Kavanaugh has accomplished in the way he has accomplished it. Instead, garbage people tend to wind up writing for left-of-center online news outlets

Dear Mr. Erickson:

Priests.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:02:33pm
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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:02:41pm

re: #463 ObserverArt

Every once in awhile I get a canned response.

There is a good chance I am marked as a sure trash bin candidate.

But I don’t care. It is my right. It makes me feel better.

In this case, Rob probably doesn’t have any prepared boilerplate for this.

keep up the good fight!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:05:04pm

re: #477 Blind Frog Belly White

Seriously, Erickson is totally losing his shit over Kavanaugh.

I’m seriously curious about what he’s hiding that this enrages him so much. Maybe it’s Occam’s and he’s just a sexist GOP pig hack

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:07:10pm

re: #483 HappyWarrior

I’m seriously curious about what he’s hiding that this enrages him so much. Maybe it’s Occam’s and he’s just a sexist GOP pig hack

He’s an abusive authoritarian, who can relate to Trump and Kavanaugh, but I’m just repeating you.

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Kilroy was here  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:08:20pm

The GOP seems to be cool with individual rape, but gang rape is another matter.
For one thing, it smacks too much of socialism.
/s

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:08:38pm

re: #484 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

He’s an abusive authoritarian, who can relate to Trump and Kavanaugh, but I’m just repeating you.

Right but he’s really losing it. Like big time.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:10:25pm

re: #480 dangerman

Dear Mr. Erickson:

Priests.

Cardinals. The whole stuff about the priests has been queasy since my father and his siblings and their parents were products of Catholic schools and Nana’s brother was a priest who did struggle with alcoholism.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:12:19pm

re: #487 HappyWarrior

Cardinals. The whole stuff about the priests has been queasy since my father and his siblings and their parents were products of Catholic schools and Nana’s brother was a priest who did struggle with alcoholism.

of course
i was trying to speak generically
im not familiar with the ranks/levels

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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:12:59pm
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KGxvi  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:13:13pm

re: #486 HappyWarrior

Right but he’s really losing it. Like big time.

I wonder if they’re worried about a Bork situation. Bork would have definitely voted to overturn Roe… hell, he’d have voted to overturn Griswold and its progeny regarding the right to privacy.

When Bork was defeated, we got Kennedy, and their chances of imposing their puritan world view was crushed for three decades.

Maybe they’re worried that any Kavanaugh replacement would be less likely to side with the Christian taliban.

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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:16:17pm

re: #486 HappyWarrior

Right but he’s really losing it. Like big time.

That means Erick son of Erick has emotionally invested a lot into this nomination. As has the GOP Senate. Hence anything to avoid admitting that this was not such a good nominee, after all that work to convince themselves he is a great judge (because of conservative ideology).

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wrenchwench  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:17:59pm

re: #488 dangerman

of course
i was trying to speak generically
im not familiar with the ranks/levels

It’s all about the hierarchy.

Oh, did you notice there are no women priests? I used to think it was great that there were a few altar girls. Now I’m horrified.

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:19:26pm

re: #490 KGxvi

I wonder if they’re worried about a Bork situation. Bork would have definitely voted to overturn Roe… hell, he’d have voted to overturn Griswold and its progeny regarding the right to privacy.

When Bork was defeated, we got Kennedy, and their chances of imposing their puritan world view was crushed for three decades.

Maybe they’re worried that any Kavanaugh replacement would be less likely to side with the Christian taliban.

There’s so much more going on with this nomination than meets the eye.

I think any nominee from the Federalist Society will be down with killing Roe. I think t’s got more to do with Russia, and Kavanaugh’s belief that the president is above all laws.

If what we speculate about every day around here is true - that a majority of the GOP is complicit with Putin - then this one nominee would be the key to letting all of them get away with their collusion.

I’m thinking this is why they’re fighting so hard for a guy who would normally be a fatally flawed nominee. Kavanaugh could make everything Mueller has uncovered just go away by shielding Trump, and by extension every one of those filthy motherfuckers who are in on the game.

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The Great Eye  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:19:36pm

re: #477 Blind Frog Belly White

Erickson is so angry that he might be denied his dream of women dying from back alley abortions. Getting Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court is the fulfillment of his life’s work and he’ll stop at nothing to see it happens.

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Kragar  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:19:51pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:21:16pm

re: #490 KGxvi

I wonder if they’re worried about a Bork situation. Bork would have definitely voted to overturn Roe… hell, he’d have voted to overturn Griswold and its progeny regarding the right to privacy.

When Bork was defeated, we got Kennedy, and their chances of imposing their puritan world view was crushed for three decades.

Maybe they’re worried that any Kavanaugh replacement would be less likely to side with the Christian taliban.

Bork is a pivotal part of the right wing’s mythos of victimization, and exactly as true as their fables of Reagan and Buckley. He was full of shit and hopped on any legal theory that justified his reactionary instincts.

When they invoke Bork as a victim, it’s to reaffirm that what is right is only defined by what is expedient to their needs.

How they’re treating Kavanaugh…who’s a hack jurist who’s literally been groomed by an organization to fulfill their agenda…is a continuation of the Vaseline-on-the-lens picture of Bork, “principled originalist.”

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KGxvi  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:21:59pm

re: #493 makeitstop

There’s so much more going on with this nomination than meets the eye.

I think any nominee from the Federalist Society will be down with killing Roe. I think t’s got more to do with Russia, and Kavanaugh’s belief that the president is above all laws.

If what we speculate about every day around here is true - that a majority of the GOP is complicit with Putin - then this one nominee would be the key to letting all of them get away with their collusion.

I’m thinking this is why they’re fighting so hard for a guy who would normally be a fatally flawed nominee. Kavanaugh could make everything Mueller has uncovered just go away by shielding Trump, and by extension every one of those filthy motherfuckers who are in on the game.

Again, it’s been a while since I’ve run in Federalist Society circles, but I’d guess there’s probably more than a few that come from the libertarian side of the group.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:23:48pm

re: #495 Kragar

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I guess the FNC slobber didn’t work eh Brett.

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b.d.(soros funded)  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:24:01pm

re: #486 HappyWarrior

Right but he’s really losing it. Like big time.

Hasn’t been a good week even by this administration’s standards and that is saying something.

Being a laughingstock at the UN and lectured by “shithole countries” may have sent him over the edge

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KGxvi  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:24:41pm

re: #496 The Ghost of a Flea

Bork is a pivotal part of the right wing’s mythos of victimization, and exactly as true as their mythic versions of Reagan and Buckley. He was full of shit and hopped on any legal theory that justified his reactionary instincts.

When they invoke Bork, it’s to reaffirm that what is right is only defined by what is expedient to their needs.

How they’re treating Kavanaugh…who’s a hack jurist who’s literally been groomed by an organization to fulfill their agenda…is a continuation of the Vaseline-on-the-lens picture of Bork, “principled originalist.”

Bork’s “inkblot on the constitution” line about the 9th Amendment should have been his downfall among originalists. You can’t claim to be some high-minded constitutional scholar and then say “I have no fucking clue what that means.”

Hell, his role in the Saturday Night Massacre should have been enough to prevent his nomination, but that’s the way this shit goes.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:25:31pm

re: #500 KGxvi

Bork’s “inkblot on the constitution” line about the 9th Amendment should have been his downfall among originalists. You can’t claim to be some high-minded constitutional scholar and then say “I have no fucking clue what that means.”

Hell, his role in the Saturday Night Massacre should have been enough to prevent his nomination, but that’s the way this shit goes.

Exactly

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:28:59pm
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b.d.(soros funded)  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:29:31pm
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Eventual Carrion  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:30:07pm

re: #495 Kragar

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And I would guess that was before the most recent revelation.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:32:38pm

re: #503 b.d.(true to form)

You know what would help gas prices: CAFE standards.

(Yes, I know all the details.)

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Mike Lamb  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:33:12pm

re: #503 b.d.(true to form)

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Well, then maybe not do shit like roll back fuel efficiency requirements, eh? Or maybe encourage mass transit infrastructure projects?

Christ, does he know anything other than how to approach sexual assault allegations?

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KGxvi  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:33:33pm

re: #502 Single-handed sailor

This reminds me of the old bit that if Trump would have simply had Warren Buffett handle his investments his net worth would be at least double its current amount. (Forget where I read that, many many years ago).

All Trump had to do was nothing. Just don’t fuck shit up, instead he’s going to…

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:34:14pm
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KGxvi  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:36:08pm

re: #503 b.d.(true to form)

A drop in the price of oil (and thus gasoline) would be bad for American oil companies. It’s only the fact that oil prices are so high right now that makes it profitable for American businesses to drill.

He’s actively trying to hurt the US economy on a daily basis - whether it’s this, or tariffs, or tearing up free trade deals, or shitty tax laws that allow publicly traded companies to do stock buy backs…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:36:10pm

re: #493 makeitstop

I’m thinking this is why they’re fighting so hard for a guy who would normally be a fatally flawed nominee. Kavanaugh could make everything Mueller has uncovered just go away by shielding Trump, and by extension every one of those filthy motherfuckers who are in on the game.

Fucking this x a Million.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:36:40pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:38:08pm

re: #511 Single-handed sailor

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One of my Senators, y’all.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:38:14pm

re: #500 KGxvi

Thing is, these people invoke texts to conjure with them…whether it’s the Bible or the “originalist” Constitution…not to discuss the contents.

They’re not appointing someone to make rulings in accordance with a consistent, systematic theory of jurisprudence, they’re appointing someone who will do as instructed and retroactively attribute their votes to some kind of ethos.

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sagehen  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:40:01pm

re: #460 Kragar

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:40:04pm

re: #511 Single-handed sailor

Your not allowed to talk about it until you’ve talked about it and have had it proven. Yep, that will hurt.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:42:01pm

Sorry to dump that 8chan garbage on y’all yesterday and then run, but I’m having to really really monitor the amount of time I spent connected because otherwise I’m just in such a dark place.

I get that the GOP is probably going to pay a price this November for their epic shitshow these past two years. Thing is, the stat that just jumped out at me: we are from next year until the dollar collapses as a currency, going to be paying more in interest in Republican debt than we do on the US Military.

During the boom years, we are supposed to pay down debt. Instead, we’re doubling down on it (literally). I’ve lived through currency meltdowns early in my career, and my friends are going thru collapses right now in Venezuela & Argentina.

Seriously thinking about selling everything and moving the fuck out of America right now, because if that happens here in the U.S., that kind of collapse will crater all of society, and all the shit that the Doomsday Preppers yammer about will pretty much be baseline existence.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:45:49pm
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cat-tikvah  Sep 26, 2018 • 12:51:47pm

re: #227 ObserverArt

I LOVE THIS!
May I copy it?

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 26, 2018 • 1:12:35pm

Well this is exciting. I was given a photo assignment for a magazine. I had no idea I would get a full page cover shot. You might recognize the image….

The article should be online on the 1st. This is gonna look good in the ole portfolio!

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2018 • 1:20:50pm

re: #518 cat-tikvah

I LOVE THIS!
May I copy it?

Sorry, I had to run out and missed your comment. Sure, go ahead and use it.

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austin_blue  Sep 26, 2018 • 3:58:31pm

re: #412 makeitstop

I missed this little morsel…

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All roads lead to Moscow, amirite?

Now I’ve got a pretty good idea where the money came from to get Kavanaugh flush…

That is just MONSTROUSLY huge. Yanukovich hired Manafort, which got Manafort and his #2 convicted.


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