About That Guardian “Bombshell” That Paul Manafort Secretly Met With Julian Assange

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I have to preface this link by saying I’m skeptical right now. The sourcing is very thin, and one of the writers has a very, uh, dubious history: Manafort held secret talks with Assange in Ecuadorian embassy, sources say.

Donald Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort held secret talks with Julian Assange inside the Ecuadorian embassy in London, and visited around the time he joined Trump’s campaign, the Guardian has been told.

Sources have said Manafort went to see Assange in 2013, 2015 and in spring 2016 – during the period when he was made a key figure in Trump’s push for the White House.

For what it’s worth — and that’s probably not much — both Assange and Manafort have vehemently denied this report. Manafort just issued a statement minutes before I wrote this:

And that dubious history I mentioned above? One of the authors of the Guardian piece, Luke Harding, once claimed that the NSA hacked into his computer and for weeks, as he worked on a book about Edward Snowden, deleted text as he was writing it, causing his keyboard to start “flashing and bleeping.”

So unless this incendiary report is corroborated by someone who doesn’t have a flashing, bleeping keyboard, I’m going to take it with a shaker full of salt.

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228 comments

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lawhawk  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:31:08pm

Worry about the confirmation bias. Be skeptical.

If The Guardian has more than thin sourcing, and they’re holding back something substantive, then that changes the ballgame.

Manafort’s already in deep. Assange is a creep who’s been in that embassy for years, and Ecuador keeps good records of who comes and goes. They wouldn’t be so dumb as to leave off visits by Manafort.

So, we’ll see…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:31:43pm

re: #1 lawhawk

Worry about the confirmation bias. Be skeptical.

If The Guardian has more than thin sourcing, and they’re holding back something substantive, then that changes the ballgame.

Manafort’s already in deep. Assange is a creep who’s been in that embassy for years, and Ecuador keeps good records of who comes and goes. They wouldn’t be so dumb as to leave off visits by Manafort.

So, we’ll see…

Yep some skepticism is necessary here.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:34:10pm

It’s definitely worth looking into but as Charles and LH got at, we need not venture into confirmation bias because A) it’s sloppy and B) sometimes the reality is bad enough as is and we don’t need to sensationalize further by making it up.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:34:39pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:35:30pm
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Dave In Austin  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:35:35pm
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:35:51pm

It also doesn’t change the possibility that the other big story of the day—Mueller’s evidence of lying and the timing of Trump’s written testimony—could implicate Trump. [fingers crossed]

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:37:10pm

re: #6 Dave In Austin

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Of course he would and then he’ll cry about why the Dems aren’t playing fair. Mitch is a douche.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:38:24pm

re: #6 Dave In Austin

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What Kompromat does Putin have on McConnell?

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Dave In Austin  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:40:41pm

re: #9 Joe Bacon 🌹

What Kompromat does Putin have on McConnell?

A Monkey with a Pen.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:42:57pm

re: #9 Joe Bacon 🌹

What Kompromat does Putin have on McConnell?

I think he’s just that power hungry.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:43:28pm

re: #10 Dave In Austin

A Monkey with a Pen.

Him drinking Jack Daniels and trashing Jim Beam.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:44:44pm

re: #6 Dave In Austin

JUST IN: Senate Republican leader McConnell says would probably block renewed effort to vote on bill to protect U.S. Special Counsel

boy that ‘bipartisan’ op-ed didnt have much of a shelf life

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Archangelus  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:44:57pm

re: #9 Joe Bacon 🌹

What Kompromat does Putin have on McConnell?

IMO, it’s all about greed.
There’s been so many allegations of how Russian oligarch’s may have funneled cash into GOP campaigns that it wouldn’t surprise me one bit to find out that Turtle was in the center of it all.
Follow the money.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:45:21pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

I think he’s just that power hungry.

He is hiding something. Question is…WHAT IS IT?

(And I’m not talking about that Crispin Glover movie…)

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KGxvi  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:48:12pm

re: #15 Joe Bacon 🌹

He is hiding something. Question is…WHAT IS IT?

(And I’m not talking about that Crispin Glover movie…)

What I’ve never understood about any of this, is that Republicans really have no reason to be loyal to Trump. The vast majority of the Trump base would end up voting for whoever the GOP nominee was. Trump’s not a life long Republican, he wasn’t a big donor, and he’s not done anything to help any Republican get elected (other than himself).

So why the fuck do they remain loyal to him?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:48:38pm

re: #15 Joe Bacon 🌹

He is hiding something. Question is…WHAT IS IT?

(And I’m not talking about that Crispin Glover movie…)

I dunno. I think Occam’s Razor applies here imo. Mitch has always been a power hungry lustful asshole.

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:49:09pm

re: #14 Archangelus

IMO, it’s all about greed.
There’s been so many allegations of how Russian oligarch’s may have funneled cash into GOP campaigns that it wouldn’t surprise me one bit to find out that Turtle was in the center of it all.
Follow the money.

I agree with Joe. This is way beyond greed. There’s kompromat, without a doubt. Greed would have won them the midterms. They’d have kept on keeping on. There’s much more we don’t know. And I’m betting on kompromat.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:50:18pm

re: #16 KGxvi

What I’ve never understood about any of this, is that Republicans really have no reason to be loyal to Trump. The vast majority of the Trump base would end up voting for whoever the GOP nominee was. Trump’s not a life long Republican, he wasn’t a big donor, and he’s not done anything to help any Republican get elected (other than himself).

So why the fuck do they remain loyal to him?

Their base is loyal to him though and they’re petrified of that. Remember Trump is much more popular among the gop base than the leadership is.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:51:46pm

re: #16 KGxvi

What I’ve never understood about any of this, is that Republicans really have no reason to be loyal to Trump. The vast majority of the Trump base would end up voting for whoever the GOP nominee was. Trump’s not a life long Republican, he wasn’t a big donor, and he’s not done anything to help any Republican get elected (other than himself).

So why the fuck do they remain loyal to him?

- he’s the man now
- if he goes under, or is somehow neutered, it will reflect on the future of the party
- and more than any other issues, that affects tax cuts and judges

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:51:55pm

re: #16 KGxvi

What I’ve never understood about any of this, is that Republicans really have no reason to be loyal to Trump. The vast majority of the Trump base would end up voting for whoever the GOP nominee was. Trump’s not a life long Republican, he wasn’t a big donor, and he’s not done anything to help any Republican get elected (other than himself).

So why the fuck do they remain loyal to him?

Trump got uneducated whites in the Midwest to vote GOP, and while they may or may not keep voting GOP (the midterms didn’t look good for that proposition) they aren’t going to vote for Republicans who betray Trump.

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ericblair  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:52:23pm

re: #14 Archangelus

IMO, it’s all about greed.
There’s been so many allegations of how Russian oligarch’s may have funneled cash into GOP campaigns that it wouldn’t surprise me one bit to find out that Turtle was in the center of it all.
Follow the money.

That’s what I think. We’re going to get into the details of the GOP’s dirty money sooner or later, and the turtle is going to be tits deep in it.

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Archangelus  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:52:28pm

re: #18 MsJ

They’d have kept on keeping on.

Would they really?
All it would take would be that initial first time, and the evidence it might produce. After that, if Russia has something compromising on Republicans in general and McConnell in particular, it would then be all about avoiding that initial evidence from ever getting out.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:52:34pm

re: #17 HappyWarrior

I dunno. I think Occam’s Razor applies here imo. Mitch has always been a power hungry lustful asshole.

you mean lust for power, not…. cause eeewww

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KGxvi  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:53:00pm

re: #17 HappyWarrior

I dunno. I think Occam’s Razor applies here imo. Mitch has always been a power hungry lustful asshole.

But how does blocking the investigation help McConnell’s quest for more power?

Protecting the president arguably weakens Congress, which arguably weakens McConnell’s position. Based on the midterm results, protecting Trump and/or going along with his policies doesn’t seem to be a particularly winning strategy, so keeping this up for 2 more years likely increases the chances that McConnell is not the majority leader come January 2021.

It just doesn’t make sense to me.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:53:02pm

re: #16 KGxvi

What I’ve never understood about any of this, is that Republicans really have no reason to be loyal to Trump. The vast majority of the Trump base would end up voting for whoever the GOP nominee was. Trump’s not a life long Republican, he wasn’t a big donor, and he’s not done anything to help any Republican get elected (other than himself).

So why the fuck do they remain loyal to him?

Because that’s an assumption they really don’t want to test and the vast majority of Trump’s base probably isn’t enough to prevent an absolute wipeout in 2020. Mostly they’re loyal to him out of inertia, they’re on a bender and making bad decisions is what you do when you’re on a bender. But they’re also acutely aware that an unknown but solid percent of the Trump base is a fanatical cult, and GOP officeholders are afraid that betraying the cult leader would end in blood.

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:53:11pm

re: #16 KGxvi

What I’ve never understood about any of this, is that Republicans really have no reason to be loyal to Trump. The vast majority of the Trump base would end up voting for whoever the GOP nominee was. Trump’s not a life long Republican, he wasn’t a big donor, and he’s not done anything to help any Republican get elected (other than himself).

So why the fuck do they remain loyal to him?

There’s kompromat and Putin gave it to trump. Trump is a mobster going waaaaayyyy back. This is old hat for a mobster.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:53:22pm

re: #24 dangerman

you mean lust for power, not…. cause eeewww

Can’t it be both?

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:53:42pm
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Archangelus  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:54:52pm

F&cking bastards. Those responsible need to be locked up ASAP.

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:54:52pm

re: #17 HappyWarrior

I dunno. I think Occam’s Razor applies here imo. Mitch has always been a power hungry lustful asshole.

Except he is losing power. They lost the house and will likely lose the Senate next go around. He could have done Republican things and retained power. This is not about power and it’s not about greed. He’s losing on both ends as each day passes.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:55:05pm

re: #27 MsJ

There’s kompromat and Putin gave it to trump. Trump is a mobster going waaaaayyyy back. This is old hat for a mobster.

For some I think this is the case but McConnell has been like this before Trump. I’m not saying you’re wrong but I disagree. I think he’s a Von Papen type thinking he can control the orange corporal.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:55:38pm

re: #29 Patricia Kayden

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OFFS.

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:56:24pm

re: #23 Archangelus

Would they really?
All it would take would be that initial first time, and the evidence it might produce. After that, if Russia had obtained something compromising, it would all be about avoiding that initial evidence from getting out…

Russia wants to toss and keep the US in chaos.

Mission accomplished.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 12:57:35pm

re: #31 MsJ

Except he is losing power. They lost the house and will likely lose the Senate next go around. He could have done Republican things and retained power. This is not about power and it’s not about greed. He’s losing on both ends as each day passes.

He actually gained a seat in the Senate tho. Plus I bet he’s petrified of a primary challenge. I’m sure there is dirt and blackmail tho. I just don’t think it’s his primary motivation.

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:00:47pm

re: #26 goddamnedfrank

Because that’s an assumption they really don’t want to test and the vast majority of Trump’s base probably isn’t enough to prevent an absolute wipeout in 2020. Mostly they’re loyal to him out of inertia, they’re on a bender and making bad decisions is what you do when you’re on a bender. But they’re also acutely aware that an unknown but solid percent of the Trump base is a fanatical cult, and GOP officeholders are afraid that betraying the cult leader would end in blood.

It already has. If the GOP continued down this path they’ll be nothing in the future… There will be no future for the party.

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piratedan  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:00:51pm

re: #6 Dave In Austin

going to make an intuitive leap here and suggest that McConnell is not only dirty, he most likely helped coordinate the direction of the dirty dark Russian money and intel. Helping to guide it where it would do the “most good” to benefit GOP politicians. All of his actions speak to this and if you take into effect his racism, his greed and his absolute disdain for the norms of Democracy and the founding principals of this country (other than when he can twist them to his own ends) that apparently is all the “motivation” that was needed. Electing a black man to the Presidency has broken the façade that Senator McConnell once sported as a public servant. Mitch only serves those that pay him and serve his ends.

I hope that the Mueller investigation conclusively reveals this….

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:02:18pm

To support the argument though, his wife is part of the Trump administration tho.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:05:10pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:06:41pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

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What an ass. He’s doing exactly what he accused Rather of doing and that’s manufacturing misinformation.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:07:33pm

Hoo boy. Here we go.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:08:06pm

From downstairs

re: #96 fern01

One of the reasons the polls have been so very wrong this time around. People like this are counted as trump supporters and the count is extrapolated to return rubbish.

Just looked at 538 for the expectations for California 21st

1/5 chance Dem win
4/5 chance GOP win

This appears to be based on a much earlier projection of the race. Take a look at fivethirtyeight.com

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:08:31pm

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:08:40pm

re: #28 HappyWarrior

Can’t it be both?

looking for the brain bleach

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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:09:24pm

re: #9 Joe Bacon 🌹

What Kompromat does Putin have on McConnell?

Campaign money from Russian oligarchs and probably emails from the Republican party server that show how corrupt McConnell is in his political dealings.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:10:20pm

re: #31 MsJ

Except he is losing power. They lost the house and will likely lose the Senate next go around. He could have done Republican things and retained power. This is not about power and it’s not about greed. He’s losing on both ends as each day passes.

maybe, just maybe, they really arent all that smart or strategic thinkers

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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:11:27pm

re: #13 dangerman

boy that ‘bipartisan’ op-ed didnt have much of a shelf life

That is in effect once January comes around.

And it only covers the House. Senate will be just as bad as before because they still have the majority there.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:12:16pm

re: #37 piratedan

going to make an intuitive leap here and suggest that McConnell is not only dirty, he most likely helped coordinate the direction of the dirty dark Russian money and intel. Helping to guide it where it would do the “most good” to benefit GOP politicians. All of his actions speak to this and if you take into effect his racism, his greed and his absolute disdain for the norms of Democracy and the founding principals of this country (other than when he can twist them to his own ends) that apparently is all the “motivation” that was needed. Electing a black man to the Presidency has broken the façade that Senator McConnell once sported as a public servant. Mitch only serves those that pay him and serve his ends.

I hope that the Mueller investigation conclusively reveals this….

sound like anyone….?

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Archangelus  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:12:18pm

re: #44 dangerman

looking for the brain bleach

re: #43 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Just downed a shot after that unsightly nightmare, so here ya go…

For when Johnston’s Eye Bleach comes too little, too late…
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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:12:19pm

re: #43 Joe Bacon 🌹

Dooood. A warning.

I’m suddenly craving a snack. Where’s my nutcracker?

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:12:24pm
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lawhawk  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:13:38pm

re: #9 Joe Bacon 🌹

What Kompromat does Putin have on McConnell?

Or Elizabeth Elaine (corrected as reminded by HappyWarrior) Chao, who is one of the under the radar cabinet picks (and happens to be McConnell’s wife).

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:14:11pm

wow, my re: #44 dangerman sure landed in the right sequence

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:14:30pm

re: #52 lawhawk

Or Elizabeth Chao, who is one of the under the radar cabinet picks (and happens to be McConnell’s wife).

Elaine but yes. Very interesting how she got a job in this administration.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:17:34pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:18:24pm

re: #14 Archangelus

IMO, it’s all about greed.
There’s been so many allegations of how Russian oligarch’s may have funneled cash into GOP campaigns that it wouldn’t surprise me one bit to find out that Turtle was in the center of it all.
Follow the money.

This article makes that very claim.

Dallas News - GOP campaigns took $7.35 million from oligarch linked to Russia

Two of the paragraphs from the article:

Donald Trump and the political action committees for Mitch McConnell, Marco Rubio, Scott Walker, Lindsey Graham, John Kasich and John McCain accepted $7.35 million in contributions from a Ukrainian-born oligarch who is the business partner of two of Russian president Vladimir Putin’s favorite oligarchs and a Russian government bank.

During the 2015-2016 election season, Ukrainian-born billionaire Leonard “Len” Blavatnik contributed $6.35 million to leading Republican candidates and incumbent senators. Mitch McConnell was the top recipient of Blavatnik’s donations, collecting $2.5 million for his GOP Senate Leadership Fund under the names of two of Blavatnik’s holding companies, Access Industries and AI Altep Holdings, according to Federal Election Commission documents and opensecrets.org.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:18:43pm

re: #47 ObserverArt

That is in effect once January comes around.

And it only covers the House. Senate will be just as bad as before because they still have the majority there.

oh. see i didnt read the op-ed
- i thought mitch was asking for a new era of bipartisanship all around
- that even he and the white house would work in that new spirit
- the senate would take up bills passed by the house. they’d even debate them and share the committee chairs, kumbaya sung to open every morning session….
- and don would be welcoming and actually sign legislation passed by both houses
- i didnt realize he only meant it to apply to the chamber the dem’s controlled.

what was i thinking?

//

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lawhawk  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:19:55pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:20:39pm

re: #16 KGxvi

What I’ve never understood about any of this, is that Republicans really have no reason to be loyal to Trump. The vast majority of the Trump base would end up voting for whoever the GOP nominee was. Trump’s not a life long Republican, he wasn’t a big donor, and he’s not done anything to help any Republican get elected (other than himself).

So why the fuck do they remain loyal to him?

Because they can do what they wanted while they had the majorities in Congress.

They use Trump. He is a useful fool.

I think someone once said they need a Republican president that can easily sign his name.

Trump is great for that.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:21:37pm

re: #58 lawhawk

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Yeah but how dare AOC point out that unregulated capitalism lead to things like this.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:22:11pm

re: #54 HappyWarrior

Elaine but yes. Very interesting how she got a job in this administration.

same way gingrich did

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:22:50pm

re: #61 dangerman

same way gingrich did

Yep.

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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:24:30pm

re: #25 KGxvi

But how does blocking the investigation help McConnell’s quest for more power?

Protecting the president arguably weakens Congress, which arguably weakens McConnell’s position. Based on the midterm results, protecting Trump and/or going along with his policies doesn’t seem to be a particularly winning strategy, so keeping this up for 2 more years likely increases the chances that McConnell is not the majority leader come January 2021.

It just doesn’t make sense to me.

Those big ass tax cuts and getting two extreme conservatives on the Supreme Court were pretty big for McConnell. Gutting the “tax” on the ACA was also important to them.

That party may now be over due to the elections. They partied hard while they could.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:24:39pm

Late to the topic, but fwiw, i say another calculated distraction. Do not watch the magicians cloak, watch his hands.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:25:38pm

re: #61 dangerman

same way gingrich did

….and, nope i’m not saying…………………….”how”

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:25:47pm
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:25:52pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:26:33pm

re: #59 ObserverArt

Because they can do what they wanted while they had the majorities in Congress.

They use Trump. He is a useful fool.

I think someone once said they need a Republican president that can easily sign his name.

Trump is great for that.

Yes that is what Grover Norquist repeatedly said. Just put a stooge in the White House who will sign anything a Republican Congress passes.

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gwangung  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:26:41pm

re: #64 Unshaken Defiance

Late to the topic, but fwiw, i say another calculated distraction. Do not watch the magicians cloak, watch his hands.

No such thing as a distraction; they’re trying to grab and smash EVERYTHING…and whatever they can get away with is a win for them.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:28:40pm

re: #67 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Pardoning Manafort won’t do a damn thing.

somebody knows how to do his job:

Mueller has played by the book, no leaks no lies that we know of - (Andrew Napolitano)

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:29:50pm

re: #66 goddamnedfrank

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I suppose they’ll collect the samples and put them on one of the ship’s decks….

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:32:17pm

re: #71 Barefoot Grin

I suppose they’ll collect the samples and put them on one of the ship’s decks….

not the Flush Deck. no that couldnt be it….too obvious

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:32:38pm

re: #70 dangerman

somebody knows how to do his job:

In their macho delusions, the GOPers like to advocate “playing hardball.”
Well, they’ve got it.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:32:48pm
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gwangung  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:32:50pm

re: #70 dangerman

somebody knows how to do his job:

Yeah. Impressed how he bullet-proofed the guilty plea. He can walk on the federal charges with the pardon, but not with the state charges.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:33:58pm

re: #70 dangerman

somebody knows how to do his job:

Napolitano seems to be the one Fox legal consultant who really analyzes information objectively and thoughtfully. In the era of Obama, I thought of him as a hack but he certainly seems to have changed his approach during the Trump regime.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:35:39pm
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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:35:46pm

re: #56 ObserverArt

This article makes that very claim.

Dallas News - GOP campaigns took $7.35 million from oligarch linked to Russia

Two of the paragraphs from the article:

Which in itself is kompromat, no? Taking money from, in essence, Russia? Big kompromat.

Kompromat does not have to be a dead girl or a live boy kind of thing.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:36:11pm

I love the patronizing attitude: “Let it go, Charles.” What a dickhead.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:37:36pm

re: #76 Hecuba’s daughter

Napolitano seems to be the one Fox legal consultant who really analyzes information objectively and thoughtfully. In the era of Obama, I thought of him as a hack but he certainly seems to have changed his approach during the Trump regime.

credit to him too, though i was referring to mueller

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:40:18pm

Ugh.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:42:00pm

re: #80 dangerman

credit to him too, though i was referring to mueller

Yes — Mueller deserves the praise but it was Napolitano who explained this to the Fox audience.

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KGxvi  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:43:03pm

re: #78 MsJ

Which in itself is kompromat, no? Taking money from, in essence, Russia? Big kompromat.

Kompromat does not have to be a dead girl or a live boy kind of thing.

As Jesse Unruh famously (allegedly) said:

If you can’t eat their food, drink their booze, screw their women and then vote against them, you have no business being up here.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:43:12pm

re: #81 goddamnedfrank

Ugh.

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I’m not surprised to see that.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:44:06pm

Donald Trump Gets Fact-Checked By Reporter Right To His Face, Walks Away

slowly and surely, some of them are finding a technique:

“Obama had a separation policy. We all had the same policy,” Trump said.

“You did not have it, sir. No, you didn’t,” [Paula] Reid fired back.

Trump said he “tried to do it differently” and claimed “Obama had a separation policy” but “people don’t like to talk about it.”

As Trump walked away, Reid said: “Sir, it was different. You decided to prosecute everyone at the border.”

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:44:56pm

re: #82 Hecuba’s daughter

Yes — Mueller deserves the praise but it was Napolitano who explained this to the Fox audience.

ezzacto

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Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:45:41pm

re: #81 goddamnedfrank

Ugh.

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Well, he’s more open about it, I guess.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:47:13pm

re: #87 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

Well, he’s more open about it, I guess.

Because he ain’t here.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:47:18pm

re: #81 goddamnedfrank

Ugh.

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No wonder DF fled LGF. It probably would have been fine if he limited his total statement to the first 5 words — because that appears to be accurate.

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Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:49:13pm

re: #88 HappyWarrior

Because he ain’t here.

Yep, he’d be getting his ass handed to him all the fucking time.

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Archangelus  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:49:48pm

re: #81 goddamnedfrank

Ugh.

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Good grief…

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KGxvi  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:51:23pm

re: #89 Hecuba’s daughter

No wonder DF fled LGF. It probably would have been fine if he limited his total statement to the first 5 words — because that appears to be accurate.

Was he Trumpcurious while here? Or did that develop after he left?

Mostly, I just remember him being rather pedantic about firearms.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:55:11pm

re: #92 KGxvi

Was he Trumpcurious while here? Or did that develop after he left?

Mostly, I just remember him being rather pedantic about firearms.

After he left but he was always more right wing away from here on Twitter. But yeah the gun pedantic stuff was obnoxious as was the hyper GOP partisanship

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:55:39pm

re: #76 Hecuba’s daughter

Napolitano seems to be the one Fox legal consultant who really analyzes information objectively and thoughtfully. In the era of Obama, I thought of him as a hack but he certainly seems to have changed his approach during the Trump regime.

In the Obama era he was a hack.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:55:56pm

re: #66 goddamnedfrank

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:56:03pm

re: #90 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

Yep, he’d be getting his ass handed to him all the fucking time.

I think that’s why he left ultimately. I tried being civil for the most part but I had my lines in the sand.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:56:13pm

re: #92 KGxvi

Was he Trumpcurious while here? Or did that develop after he left?

Mostly, I just remember him being rather pedantic about firearms.

He shot his mouth off about my son who was killed in Iraq.

He refused to apologize.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:56:47pm

re: #94 MsJ

In the Obama era he was a hack.

He still imo is but he’s just not to the degree of Pirro is.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:57:48pm

re: #97 Joe Bacon 🌹

He shot his mouth off about my son who was killed in Iraq.

He refused to apologize.

Learning about that is why I adopted a much harsher tone with him. He just was so cavalier about the Iraq War and how the lies mattered not to him.

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Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:58:37pm

re: #97 Joe Bacon 🌹

He shot his mouth off about my son who was killed in Iraq.

He refused to apologize.

That’s inexcusable.

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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:59:30pm

Dark Falcon left because he knew he had become out of place.

The Trump run was all it took. He struggled admitting he was going to back Trump because Republican, and I think he liked more of what Trump was saying they he ever let on.

He also had to face the fact that the Republican base was a big problem and Trump also made that clear. But he could never criticize them, so he had to defend and that would be hard here the way things were going when he left.

He knew we all knew so his time was up.

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:59:57pm

re: #81 goddamnedfrank

Ugh.

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That guy was always a complete dickhead. I’m sorry, but going back to the “bad old days” is never read anything from him that want child and heartless. Never.

Even when he appeared caring towards other lizards, it wasn’t. It was only caring if whatever the care was fell within the Rah Rah Go Team GOP framework.

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lawhawk  Nov 27, 2018 • 1:59:59pm

Dumbass Trump doesn’t know or care about facts.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:00:35pm

re: #100 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

That’s inexcusable.

Especially for someone who was of age to serve in Iraq and talked constantly about honor and stuff. I liked talking European history with the guy but he had some very ugly tendencies that make me miss him not a damn. I don’t wish him ill but he seemed incapable of empathy and imaging life as anything other than a white Cook County Republican male.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:01:19pm

re: #92 KGxvi

Was he Trumpcurious while here? Or did that develop after he left?

Mostly, I just remember him being rather pedantic about firearms.

My foggy memory was that DF always claimed he was opposed to Trump , but that was before Trump got the nomination. I recall lizards speculating at that time that he would go full Trumper.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:02:21pm

re: #43 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Ugh. You should be banned.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:04:03pm

re: #105 Hecuba’s daughter

My foggy memory was that DF always claimed he was opposed to Trump , but that was before Trump got the nomination. I recall lizards speculating at that time that he would go full Trumper.

He vowed never to vote for Cruz but by the time it was doen to Cruz and Trump, he instead of realizing fuck this chose Cruz just as I imagine he did Trump and Clinton. He refused to acknowledge his party’s problems and made so many excuses for Bruce Rauner’s dickheaded self. Yeah Rauner isn’t Corey Stewart or Trump but he’s still rotten. One of DF’s other problems was that he could get really sexist when talking about women he didn’t like. Some of you even had to call him out when he did that about a right wing woman that we didn’t like either.

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:05:28pm

re: #102 MsJ

That guy was always a complete dickhead. I’m sorry, but going back to the “bad old days” is I never read anything from him that want WASN’T child COLD and heartless. Never.

Even when he appeared caring towards other lizards, it wasn’t. It was only caring if whatever the care was fell within the Rah Rah Go Team GOP framework.

FUCK AUTOCORRECT!

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:06:34pm

re: #95 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

But remember, scientists just choose their jobs to make a whole lot of money.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:06:59pm

Not one red penny.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:08:04pm

I hesitated posting DF’s tweet above because I know the dog pile bothers another lizard here whose opinion I deeply value. Also because he once said he knows he’s going to hell, admitted to just being broken inside, feeling utterly powerless to fix it and unwilling to try, which is just fucking sad.

But amoral shit like that tweet just kills me, every goddamned time.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:08:51pm

re: #110 Patricia Kayden

Not one red penny.

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He may be using this as a bargaining chip — for example money for the wall in exchange for protection for DACA and ACA and…

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:08:55pm

re: #110 Patricia Kayden

Not one red penny.

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Especially since Trump wouldn’t compromise on anything.

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KGxvi  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:09:15pm

re: #110 Patricia Kayden

Not one red penny.

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And what are you expecting to get in return for that 32% funding, Chuck? It better be something very good, otherwise, kindly go fuck yourself.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:09:18pm

re: #110 Patricia Kayden

Not one red penny.

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Yep not a damn cent. We didn’t want the wall and the dipshit said Mexico would pay for it. Let Mr. I’m the best dealmaker ever get them to pay for it or otherwise no wall. The only people who really want the wall are a bunch of Red State assholes who will never go anywhere near the border and their closest experience with Mexicans will be melted American cheese on Tostitos.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:09:33pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:09:59pm

re: #111 goddamnedfrank

These years have been hell on reason and relationships.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:11:11pm

Federal lawsuit challenges fairness of Georgia’s elections

A federal lawsuit backed by former Democratic candidate for governor Stacey Abrams will attempt to overhaul the state’s elections, alleging “gross mismanagement” after Georgians suffered long lines, uncounted ballots and purged registrations during this month’s vote.

Abrams, who lost to Republican Brian Kemp in the race for governor, isn’t trying to change the result of the election.

But Abrams has said the election wasn’t fair because it limited voting access, disenfranchised minorities and undermined the public’s trust in democracy. She has said Kemp, who resigned his position as secretary of state after Election Day, was responsible.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:11:13pm

re: #111 goddamnedfrank

I hesitated posting DF’s tweet above because I know the dog pile bothers another lizard here whose opinion I deeply value. Also because he once said he knows he’s going to hell, admitted to just being broken inside, feeling utterly powerless to fix it and unwilling to try, which is just fucking sad.

But amoral shit like that tweet just kills me, every goddamned time.

I hear that. I know I sound harsh on him but I do feel bad for him because I think he for some reason felt bound to the GOP when he had no reason to. I tried using some psychology pointing out that Reagan, someone he looked up to left the Democratic Party but he wouldn’t budge. I don’t hate DF but I don’t miss him. I just want him to realize that his party is a large part of our problems we face as a country and he couldn’t do that here.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:12:17pm
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KGxvi  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:12:33pm

re: #112 Hecuba’s daughter

He may be using this as a bargaining chip — for example money for the wall in exchange for protection for DACA and ACA and…

They did that last time, and Trump still shot the hostage and walked away.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:13:05pm

re: #117 Unshaken Defiance

These years have been hell on reason and relationships.

Indeed. I think part of the reason why I felt a little empathy is because one of my own good friends is pretty conservative but we’ve reached an understanding on politics. And thankfully I think he realizes that the Ben Shapiro shit was just preach to the choir bs. He understands there’s a place in our society for people like my and my ideological values and I acknowledged the same for his capitalist values even though I do feel he’s gotten Smith’s message wrong.

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:14:15pm

re: #114 KGxvi

And what are you expecting to get in return for that 32% funding, Chuck? It better be something very good, otherwise, kindly go fuck yourself.

ACA funding, no cuts to SocSec or Medicare, etc, etc, etc.

Let them give trump funding for his pet wall. It’ll be in litigation for longer than trump will be alive.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:14:29pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:15:57pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

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Why the hell is it so hard to say “Yeah my goof.” You weren’t condescending with him. You just pointed out to him that manufactured is definitely the wrong term for what Rather did and he’s having a shit fit and accusing you of “loving Rather.” One thing I like about the community here is we can be corrected without it turning into a pissing match.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:16:34pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:16:40pm

People my age who cared had hard political arguments from way back. Anti commie, anti Vietnam, civil rights, riots, assassinations, even a police riot at a political convention. A President quit the job.

That was bad this is worse.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:18:59pm

re: #92 KGxvi

Was he Trumpcurious while here? Or did that develop after he left?

Mostly, I just remember him being rather pedantic about firearms.

He was a right of center GOPer, but didn’t come off as mouth-breathing Donnie cultist (or at least he hid that while he posted here). But, he would be become deeply offended if someone spoke ill-willed about firearms.

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:19:19pm

re: #121 KGxvi

They did that last time, and Trump still shot the hostage and walked away.

But Dems have the power of the purse now.

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KGxvi  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:19:57pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

I mean, it’s not firing on Fort Sumter, but shutting down the government because you lost an election is still pretty stupid.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:20:46pm

re: #112 Hecuba’s daughter

He may be using this as a bargaining chip — for example money for the wall in exchange for protection for DACA and ACA and…

im not sure, but i think the 1.6$b is for ‘border security’ not just ‘the wall’
this has been schumer’s position, and number (1.6b) for quite a while

im guessing though about todays specific comment

and note - the wall is estimated to cost $30b+

oh, and i heard mexico was gonna pay for it

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:22:13pm

re: #123 MsJ

ACA funding, no cuts to SocSec or Medicare, etc, etc, etc.

Let them give trump funding for his pet wall. It’ll be in litigation for longer than trump will be alive.

*ding*

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:23:40pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

Why the hell is it so hard to say “Yeah my goof.” You weren’t condescending with him. You just pointed out to him that manufactured is definitely the wrong term for what Rather did and he’s having a shit fit and accusing you of “loving Rather.” One thing I like about the community here is we can be corrected without it turning into a pissing match.

were not pedants, most of the time
and we tend not to stake out unreasonable and indefensible positions

as long as you stay off my lawn

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:25:16pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

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Why the hell should we trust you or Trump, Steve? When taxes go up to pay for this stupid wall which we don’t need, you’re just going to blame Democrats as you always do. So no we’re not giving you your fucking wall, David Duke’s fan.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:25:35pm

$1.6 billion for border security? Last time I checked, the border is secure. The caravan didn’t cross the border. Mission accomplished, fucktard.

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Jay C  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:26:41pm

re: #129 MsJ

re: #121 KGxvi

They did that last time, and Trump still shot the hostage and walked away.

But Dems have the power of the purse now.

Hence (I think) Sen. Schumer’s “magnanimous” offer of $1.5B for “Wall” funding: Trump will probably sputter away, and try to get Congressional GOPers to fund his asinine Wall to the max: Said Congress will probably just dither and blither, and in the end (I’m guessing) we get another Continuing Resolution (or its equivalent), and the whole mess gets put off till the next Congress: sans Wall. And Chuck Schumer can just shrug and say “well, we made a reasonable offer….” (translation from Brooklynese: “Fuck you very much, Mr. President…”)

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Archangelus  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:26:43pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:26:59pm

re: #135 Dr. Matt

$1.6 billion for border security? Last time I checked, the border is secure. The caravan didn’t cross the border. Mission accomplished, fucktard.

I’d be all in favor of giving him a picture of the Great Wall of China with Mongolians conquering it. Maybe that can be Nancy’s first act as Speaker.

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Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:27:47pm

re: #120 Patricia Kayden

I know my holiday spending is waaayyy down.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:28:12pm

re: #138 HappyWarrior

I’d be all in favor of giving him a picture of the Great Wall of China with Mongolians conquering it. Maybe that can be Nancy’s first act as Speaker.

Sadly, that would probably work.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:28:42pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

Scalise, returning from WH meeting, says Trump is “very adamant” on $5b for Wall.
“The real question is do Democrats want to shut the government down over whether or not to keep America safe,” Scalise says.

as democrats control:
- NOT the house
- NOT the senate
- NOT the presidency

i’d say the ‘real’ question is NOT “do the democrats want to” anything

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KGxvi  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:29:43pm

re: #120 Patricia Kayden

That’s because they were all in Vegas with me. (It was packed this weekend)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:30:51pm

If it does get shut down, that would be the third shutdown in the first two years of Trumps presidency.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:31:20pm

re: #127 Unshaken Defiance

People my age who cared had hard political arguments from way back. Anti commie, anti Vietnam, civil rights, riots, assassinations, even a police riot at a political convention. A President quit the job.

That was bad this is worse.

vietnam protests, civil rights, riots, etc put pressure on the institutions to change - to ‘do something’

what’s happening now is this is tearing at the institutional structure from the inside
(its coming from inside the house, as it were)

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:32:54pm

re: #128 Dr. Matt

He was a right of center GOPer, but didn’t come off as mouth-breathing Donnie cultist (or at least he hid that while he posted here). But, he would be become deeply offended if someone spoke ill-willed about firearms.

i was a lurker when he was still around
i think i started posting around the time he left
my first page was about guns and responsibility and accountability
wonder what he would have thought of me

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BigPapa  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:34:19pm

I guess we get no runoff results for Racist Granny vs Espy till later.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:36:58pm

re: #146 BigPapa

I guess we get not runoff results for Racist Granny vs Espy till later.

Somewhat surprisingly not one person at work today (and remember, I’m in MS) has mentioned the election.

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gwangung  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:38:01pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:38:08pm

re: #147 Eclectic Cyborg

Somewhat surprisingly not one person at work today (and remember, I’m in MS) has mentioned the election.

Don’t know if that’s good or bad. I’d love it if Espy pulled out a shocker here. I wouldn’t bet on it but it’s going to be closer than it normally would be there.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:38:25pm

re: #148 gwangung

Ghah.

washingtonpost.com

Helping people home while black.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:38:59pm

i keep this around for when a need a reminder:

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BlueSpotinAL  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:39:24pm

re: #135 Dr. Matt

$1.6 billion for border security? Last time I checked, the border is secure. The caravan didn’t cross the border. Mission accomplished, fucktard.

Yeah, how much does tear gassing women and children cost, anyway? //

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sagehen  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:40:01pm

re: #119 HappyWarrior

I hear that. I know I sound harsh on him but I do feel bad for him because I think he for some reason felt bound to the GOP when he had no reason to. I tried using some psychology pointing out that Reagan, someone he looked up to left the Democratic Party but he wouldn’t budge. I don’t hate DF but I don’t miss him. I just want him to realize that his party is a large part of our problems we face as a country and he couldn’t do that here.

He was very clear about his reason — it’s all about obeying his father.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:41:22pm

re: #153 sagehen

He was very clear about his reason — it’s all about obeying his father.

Translation: Yet another republican voting against their best interests.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:41:50pm

re: #151 dangerman

i keep this around for when a need a reminder:

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For all that talk about how crooked the Clintons are, they’re boyscouts compared to the Nixon, Reagan, Bush, and now Trump administrations. Bush I and Ford not in as long but not nearly the rate of the other four.

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mmmirele  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:42:13pm

re: #30 Archangelus

F&cking bastards. Those responsible need to be locked up ASAP.

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One of my closest friends is transgender and to say this is freaking her out would be an understatement. It’s one thing to get beaten and killed up by anti-transgender thugs. It’s not good but we know there are asshats out there who would do it. It’s an entirely different matter altogether when it’s done when someone is in the custody of the government.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:44:00pm

re: #72 dangerman

not the Flush Deck. no that couldnt be it….too obvious

Poop deck

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:44:05pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:45:56pm

re: #151 dangerman

Wow. Trump is beyond sleazy. I knew he was going to be an awful President but he’s far surpassed my low expectations. And we’re not even two years into his regime. Sigh.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:48:39pm

re: #136 Jay C

Hence (I think) Sen. Schumer’s “magnanimous” offer of $1.5B for “Wall” funding: Trump will probably sputter away, and try to get Congressional GOPers to fund his asinine Wall to the max: Said Congress will probably just dither and blither, and in the end (I’m guessing) we get another Continuing Resolution (or its equivalent), and the whole mess gets put off till the next Congress: sans Wall. And Chuck Schumer can just shrug and say “well, we made a reasonable offer….” (translation from Brooklynese: “Fuck you very much, Mr. President…”)

McConnell doesn’t want to fund the Wall either; that’s money he would prefer go to tax cuts for billionaires.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:50:21pm

re: #145 dangerman

i was a lurker when he was still around
i think i started posting around the time he left
my first page was about guns and responsibility and accountability
wonder what he would have thought of me

Like you, I was an occasional lurker but I believe he left before I joined. He probably started feeling alone when KT was banned. DF had an interesting take on some issues but clearly crossed the line in certain discussions here. Maybe one day he will find the courage to rethink his views and apologize for those postings..

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calochortus  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:52:26pm

re: #139 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch

I know my holiday spending is waaayyy down.

My “holiday” spending is up a bit this year, but that’s because I’m with buying things on sale or with free shipping (a bunch of gluten-free flour, some fabric, etc.) Or things I’ve been putting off for too long and need to just go buy.

For the last few years Xmas gifts have been token items for the (adult) kids, and charitable donations all around. It’s been so much easier, everyone is happy and more relaxed, and good causes get support. What could be better?

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nines09  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:53:19pm

re: #127 Unshaken Defiance

People my age who cared had hard political arguments from way back. Anti commie, anti Vietnam, civil rights, riots, assassinations, even a police riot at a political convention. A President quit the job.

That was bad this is worse.

There was a few Republicans then who actually cared. Not any more.
I think if and when Trump incites a riot, or his many supporters on Fox and AM radio demand action, it can get real bad real fast.
The Tea Bag assholes think they can just show up armed and it’s all over.
Bad JuJu brewing.
Facebook and Twitter have enabled real fucking Nazis and worse to fuck part of us beyond recognition.

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William Lewis  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:54:29pm

I see today that MLB have $10,000 to the racist in Mississippi as well as the donation from Charles B. Johnson. Racists got to stick together I guess…

It’ll be a good day when pro baseball goes away.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:56:12pm

re: #148 gwangung

Ghah.

washingtonpost.com

Here is a major reason marijuana should be legalized; cops will no longer be able to use the “I smelled marijuana” excuse to arrest black people.

After his arrest, a Montgomery police officer explained to the crowd that another officer speaking with Ahmed had “smelled an odor of marijuana coming from him.”

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Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:58:05pm

re: #162 calochortus

I’ve got some good kids, too. They know that money is tighter now that I’m divorced. We’ve been spending more time going places than getting stuff. Their lists this year were really quite doable. Not a single costly thing on them. And my family doesn’t do gifts except for the kids and mine are the only kids left. I’m being polite and got photos done of the kids that will be gifts to their dad/his side of the family.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:59:42pm

re: #147 Eclectic Cyborg

Somewhat surprisingly not one person at work today (and remember, I’m in MS) has mentioned the election.

I’ve been fighting the urge to text my cousins (my family on dads side is from Greenville MS, and I graduated HS there) to see what they think. One is dem leaning but the other is repub.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2018 • 2:59:48pm

re: #164 William Lewis

I see today that MLB have $10,000 to the racist in Mississippi as well as the donation from Charles B. Johnson. Racists got to stick together I guess…

It’ll be a good day when pro baseball goes away.

Don’t blame the game; its the asshole billionaires who would still be asshole billionaires if they didn’t own baseball teams.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:01:35pm
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KGxvi  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:01:41pm

re: #168 Big Beautiful Door

Don’t blame the game; its the asshole billionaires who would still be asshole billionaires if they didn’t own baseball teams.

It’s a shame baseball in the States didn’t develop a regulation system like most sports in Europe. But I suspect the biggest teams/markets would still be dominating the way they do in Europe.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:02:27pm

re: #161 Hecuba’s daughter

Like you, I was an occasional lurker but I believe he left before I joined. He probably started feeling alone when KT was banned. DF had an interesting take on some issues but clearly crossed the line in certain discussions here. Maybe one day he will find the courage to rethink his views and apologize for those postings..

KT really didn’t go right wing though TBH. He just went asshole and full out condescending contrarian. I think DF even if I feel he was wrong about most of what he said was more sincere. KT just lost it after OWS was a thing for a time and treated everyone the remotely critical of corporate power as being OUTRAGED and his whole schtick on boycotts grew tiresome after he dismissed people who rightfully thought a boycott of Limbaugh’s advertisers was merited after he called Sandra Fluke a slut. I don’t know what the final straw was for KT but he went from a decent poster who I liked talking to an ass.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:02:35pm
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KGxvi  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:03:15pm

re: #167 Eventual Carrion

I’ve been fighting the urge to text my cousins (my family on dads side is from Greenville MS, and I graduated HS there) to see what they think. One is dem leaning but the other is repub.

I wonder if we see a replay of Alabama where enough white/Republican voters get so embarrassed by the nominee that they decide to stay home.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:03:16pm

re: #168 Big Beautiful Door

Don’t blame the game; its the asshole billionaires who would still be asshole billionaires if they didn’t own baseball teams.

And some might have even more billions if they hadn’t bought a team!

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:04:18pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:04:49pm

re: #170 KGxvi

It’s a shame baseball in the States didn’t develop a regulation system like most sports in Europe. But I suspect the biggest teams/markets would still be dominating the way they do in Europe.

It is interesting though. Sports teams in Europe are more directly tied not only to your home community but often times your ideological views too. I’m a diehard Steelers fan and a liberal but some of my cousins who are very conservative also are. In the FCs of Europe, that wouldn’t be the case likely. Maybe with some of the big ones like Man U but I know Celtic and Ranger in the Scottish Premier League has a lot of dividing lines based on your religious and political background. I’d definitely a Celtic fan goes without saying were I a Glaswegian.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:05:05pm

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

If i want smart, I’ll talk with Mrs. FBW or The Boys.

If I want someone who will be so excited to see me after a day at work that she practically wiggles out of her fur, I’ll go with a dog.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:05:28pm

re: #170 KGxvi

It’s a shame baseball in the States didn’t develop a regulation system like most sports in Europe. But I suspect the biggest teams/markets would still be dominating the way they do in Europe.

The payroll tax has made the game more competative. The Brewers were one of the best teams in the NL this year.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:06:46pm

re: #173 KGxvi

I wonder if we see a replay of Alabama where enough white/Republican voters get so embarrassed by the nominee that they decide to stay home.

Doubt it, but we’ll see. Being racist isn’t really disqualifying in Mississippi.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:06:49pm

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Yeah, right. When my dog’s tug rope finally got turned into a mass of fibers and she started chewing the couch and I said “no” and she went into her crate and pulled out a towel and brought it to me to play tug-of-war how could I not fill out an application to Harvard?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:07:01pm

re: #178 Big Beautiful Door

The payroll tax has made the game more competative. The Brewers were one of the best teams in the NL this year.

My thoughts on baseball are that payroll doesn’t tell everything but it certainly does make ti easier to compete. You can’t buy a pennant IMO because the playoffs are a crapshoot but you can buy a division title (guaranteed playoff berth).

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Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:07:54pm

Man, that is a big freakin’ cow.

Iframe

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:08:27pm

re: #179 Big Beautiful Door

Hate to say it but being a racist in Mississippi may actually be a plus. I expect Hyde Smith to win easily. She’s not a pedophile so this is not really comparable to the Roy Moore situation.

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KGxvi  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:08:30pm

re: #179 Big Beautiful Door

Doubt it, but we’ll see. Being racist isn’t really disqualifying in Mississippi.

Sure, being a racist might not be disqualifying, but being embarrassingly racist to the point of having the rest of the country pointing and laughing?

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:09:46pm

re: #184 KGxvi

Sure, being a racist might not be disqualifying, but being embarrassingly racist to the point of having the rest of the country pointing and laughing?

I would love to be wrong.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:10:00pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

….. I don’t know what the final straw was for KT but he went from a decent poster who I liked talking to an ass.

Charles has his rules and KT obviously violated them once too often. I liked PLL, who was on the opposite of the political spectrum from DF (and maybe KT), but he also crossed the rules too many times. It was one of PLL’s discussions that led me to join.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:11:48pm

re: #184 KGxvi

Sure, being a racist might not be disqualifying, but being embarrassingly racist to the point of having the rest of the country pointing and laughing?

Two words: Ted Cruz.

/Yes, I know he’s from Texas, but I hope you see my point

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:13:58pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

Man, that is a big freakin’ cow.

[Embedded content]

Just over 6 foot 4 1/3 inches at the shoulder (194 cm).
His little buddies aren’t exactly all that big in your average US cow metric

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:15:50pm

re: #186 Hecuba’s daughter

Charles has his rules and KT obviously violated them once too often. I liked PLL, who was on the opposite of the political spectrum from DF (and maybe KT), but he also crossed the rules too many times. It was one of PLL’s discussions that led me to join.

PLL I always tried to help out since we’re both on the spectrum and close in age. He could be a good poster but man I hated it when he would generalize nationalities.

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KGxvi  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:16:10pm

re: #187 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Two words: Ted Cruz.

/Yes, I know he’s from Texas, but I hope you see my point

No, I get it, and I’m not expecting an Epsy win… I was mostly just pondering what it would take to change Mississippi. In the meantime:

Nina Simone: Mississippi Goddam

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:16:23pm

re: #188 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Just over 6 foot 4 1/3 inches at the shoulder (194 cm).
His little buddies aren’t exactly all that big in your average US cow metric

Finally, filet steaks as big as a plate! Porterhouse the size of a small table!
///

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:16:55pm

re: #185 Big Beautiful Door

I would love to be wrong.

You won’t be. The racist will win by a comfortable margin. Mississippians are incapable of being embarrassed. If they were, they would have replaced their state flag.

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ckkatz  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:17:49pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

Man, that is a big freakin’ cow.

[Embedded content]

Unherd of…

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KGxvi  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:18:25pm

re: #193 ckkatz

Unherd of…

I refuse to give that an upding.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:19:46pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

PLL I always tried to help out since we’re both on the spectrum and close in age. He could be a good poster but man I hated it when he would generalize nationalities.

Wasn’t that what got him banned — repeatedly making threatening comments about certain nationalities?

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Dave In Austin  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:19:47pm

re: #193 ckkatz

Unherd of…

Hardly an udder.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:19:55pm

re: #192 Hecuba’s daughter

You won’t be. The racist will win by a comfortable margin. Mississippians are incapable of being embarrassed. If they were, they would have replaced their state flag.

I thought that about the pedophile in Alabama, and was pleasantly surprised to be wrong. But I’m not holding my breath.

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freetoken  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:20:55pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

He’s like his ancestral aurochs:

en.wikipedia.org

He’s an atavistic exemplar… much like our current Republican party.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:20:55pm

re: #196 Dave In Austin

Hardly an udder.

Well, it says it’s a steer, so, yeah. Udderly without. There’ll never be an udder like him.

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Jay C  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:21:09pm

re: #194 KGxvi

re: #193 ckkatz

Unherd of…

I refuse to give that an upding.

Yes, you don’t want to steer him wrong…..

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:22:16pm

re: #191 Blind Frog Belly White

Finally, filet steaks as big as a plate! Porterhouse the size of a small table!
///

Big guy not going to slaughter. Rancher said he’s to big for processing facilities. Gonna live out his life being a nice big calming influence for his lil’ buddies

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:24:51pm
“The French have developed the military use of helicopters in Algeria in advance of nearly every other country, and in addition to their widespread use for troop transport and reconnaissance, have adapted them for bombing and gunnery.”

-William Green (British aviation historian); Air Forces of the World, Their History, Development and Present Strength; London, 1958

I have a copy of this book. What Green presumably did not know when he wrote these words at the height of the Algerian war was that the French had developed another innovation in the use of helicopters, the Death Flight.

The main instigator was apparently the infamous General Jacques Massu, with the day-to-day organization and the flights themselves being handled by Colonel Marcel Bigeard. This was an open secret in Algeria. When the victims sometimes washed up on shore, they were called “crevettes Bigeard” (“Bigeard’s shrimps”). Both men escaped prosecution, went on to honored careers and lived into the 21st century. Many of their men left the French forces, some forcibly so for involvement in the OAS terror campaign of 1962. Some went to Africa to found the mercenary system that exists to this day, while others emigrated to South America to work with the local militaries. It is no surprise then that the Argentine military developed the Death Flight into a formal tactic during the Dirty War, with a dedicated unit formed for the purpose, or that the Chileans under Pinochet emulated them.
Btw, there are a lot of stories about death flights in Vietnam, but I never witnessed one and never knew anyone who had. I am sure it happened more than once, but it would have been raining bodies if the practice was as common as alleged.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:25:03pm

This could explain his eating habits and lack of exercise - he thinks the more gut he has the better it will do his thinking.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:25:29pm
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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:25:48pm

re: #155 HappyWarrior

For all that talk about how crooked the Clintons are, they’re boyscouts compared to the Nixon, Reagan, Bush, and now Trump administrations. Bush I and Ford not in as long but not nearly the rate of the other four.

r’s one and all
hmmmm

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:26:20pm

re: #203 Blind Frog Belly White

That damned cross armed “fuck you” look again.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:26:32pm

re: #203 Blind Frog Belly White

Yes, because you’re such a smart, articulate, thoughtful man, Donny. **rolls eyes**

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:27:25pm

re: #157 Eventual Carrion

Poop deck

if i had come back with that right away it wouldnt have been as funny

raise hands if you knew there was such a thing as a “flush deck”

//

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KGxvi  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:28:05pm

re: #207 Patricia Kayden

Yes, because you’re such a smart, articulate, thoughtful man, Donny. **rolls eyes**

His gut tells him how great he is and how brilliant all his moves are. Nobody with a brain and/or soul believes that shit.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:30:49pm

re: #195 Hecuba’s daughter

Wasn’t that what got him banned — repeatedly making threatening comments about certain nationalities?

Yeah I think that was the final straw.

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KGxvi  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:32:41pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

PLL I always tried to help out since we’re both on the spectrum and close in age. He could be a good poster but man I hated it when he would generalize nationalities.

He was the one looking for a wife, right? I liked having another Whovian around, wonder what he would have thought of Missy and the new Doctor.

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Jay C  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:33:25pm

re: #209 KGxvi

His gut tells him how great he is and how brilliant all his moves are. Nobody with a brain and/or soul believes that shit.

Someone should remind him that the brain produces thoughts and emotions: the gut produces shit and fart-gas. Mr. President ought not be confusing the two….

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:33:56pm
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BigPapa  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:36:00pm

re: #191 Blind Frog Belly White

Finally, filet steaks as big as a plate! Porterhouse the size of a small table!
///

Not a ribeye, a ribhead

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:36:27pm

re: #212 Jay C

Trump doesn’t have a brain so I can understand him going with his gut feelings.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:37:01pm

re: #211 KGxvi

He was the one looking for a wife, right? I liked having another Whovian around, wonder what he would have thought of Missy and the new Doctor.

Yeah I tried telling him he was limiting his field by only wanting other Muslims. I think Electroek met him irl.Said he was a nice kid. I don’t think PLL was a bad person and I miss him but he sometimes posted without thinking.

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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:37:19pm

Trump’s gut sure did help him on all his business decisions and all the wild success those decisions brought.

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KGxvi  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:38:27pm

re: #213 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’m trying to read that transcript, and all I can think is:

Billy Madison - Everyone is now dumber

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:44:05pm

re: #216 HappyWarrior

Yeah I tried telling him he was limiting his field by only wanting other Muslims. I think Electroek met him irl.Said he was a nice kid. I don’t think PLL was a bad person and I miss him but he sometimes posted without thinking.

As do we all, but making a habit of it is bound to lead to an early exit.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:46:56pm

re: #219 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

As do we all, but making a habit of it is bound to lead to an early exit.

Yeah I’m not faulting Charles for his decision at all.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:47:48pm
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BigPapa  Nov 27, 2018 • 3:52:54pm

re: #221 Charles Johnson

‘It’s not you, it’s me’

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wrenchwench  Nov 27, 2018 • 4:00:36pm

re: #202 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Btw, there are a lot of stories about death flights in Vietnam, but I never witnessed one and never knew anyone who had. I am sure it happened more than once, but it would have been raining bodies if the practice was as common as alleged.

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2018 • 4:13:31pm

re: #174 Hecuba’s daughter

And some might have even more billions if they hadn’t bought a team!

That’s how Bush Jr got rich, by buying the Rangers with a loan and then selling it at a higher price.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2018 • 4:15:50pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

Man, that is a big freakin’ cow.

[Embedded content]

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wrenchwench  Nov 27, 2018 • 4:17:44pm

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

[good morning friends i calculated how many beef patties are in knickers the giant cow]

Not the tripe. Please don’t think about the tripe.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 27, 2018 • 4:27:25pm

re: #208 dangerman

if i had come back with that right away it wouldnt have been as funny

raise hands if you knew there was such a thing as a “flush deck”

//

I didn’t, but poop deck was totally obvious.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 27, 2018 • 4:32:59pm

re: #217 ObserverArt

Trump’s gut sure did help him on all his business decisions and all the wild success those decisions brought.

That’s what I thought. His gut hasn’t steered him in the correct direction for any of his business endeavors, all have failed (can’t even count the Apprentice because you know that was someone else’s idea). I predict that even his daddy’s money that he inherited is going to be gone before he croaks.


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