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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 17, 2019 • 7:57:34pm

Trump is a champion of Liars, Crooks and CEOs.

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gwangung  Apr 17, 2019 • 8:07:12pm

Funds are now at $1.7 million.

gofundme.com

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Belafon  Apr 17, 2019 • 8:08:22pm

From the last thread:

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Belafon  Apr 17, 2019 • 8:09:03pm

re: #2 gwangung

Funds are now at $1.7 million.

gofundme.com

I went to go donate, and someone donated $10K.

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gwangung  Apr 17, 2019 • 8:11:27pm

re: #4 Belafon

I went to go donate, and someone donated $10K.

Well, damn, I gotta work to keep up…

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Apr 17, 2019 • 8:22:13pm

re: #168 MsJ

Conservative landslide in Alberta.

We’re in trouble. Globally.

Alberta is notoriously one of the conservative hotbeds of Canada. This shouldn’t come as a great surprise.

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freetoken  Apr 17, 2019 • 8:27:09pm

re: #6 A hollow voice says, Oringes…

Alberta is notoriously one of the conservative hotbeds of Canada. This shouldn’t come as a great surprise.

More or less the Bible Belt of Canada.

Canada may be less traumatically affected by the worldview collapse of old-time religion than the US, but it is still affected, as is Australia.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 17, 2019 • 8:34:16pm

The NYC subway cars that became an artificial reef.

atlasobscura.com

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gocart mozart  Apr 17, 2019 • 8:42:52pm
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makeitstop  Apr 17, 2019 • 8:48:04pm

I’ve been kinda scarce around here of late, and I don’t know whether this tweet by Lawrence Tribe has been mentioned here.

I sincerely hope that someone on Mueller’s team lets the unredacted report drop. It’s hard not to get the feeling that the window on preserving democracy is closing fast.

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Old Liberal  Apr 17, 2019 • 8:55:41pm

re: #7 freetoken

More or less the Bible Belt of Canada.

Canada may be less traumatically affected by the worldview collapse of old-time religion than the US, but it is still affected, as is Australia.

I believe Ken Ham is Australian

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 17, 2019 • 8:59:56pm

re: #6 A hollow voice says, Oringes…

Alberta is notoriously one of the conservative hotbeds of Canada. This shouldn’t come as a great surprise.

One of my Albertan friends was a NDP member of the Alberta Assembly. He lost his seat in a landslide to the Conservatives…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 17, 2019 • 9:08:04pm

re: #3 Belafon

from downstairs…lol

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 17, 2019 • 9:22:08pm
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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 17, 2019 • 9:24:07pm
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De Kolta Chair  Apr 17, 2019 • 9:25:21pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 17, 2019 • 9:29:38pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 17, 2019 • 9:31:16pm

re: #17 Joe Bacon 🌹

Maybe they’ll have to use Dot Matrix printers to print the report out.

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teleskiguy  Apr 17, 2019 • 9:34:21pm

re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

Those dotted ends you had to peel off when it when it was done printing…

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austin_blue  Apr 17, 2019 • 9:36:17pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 17, 2019 • 9:37:43pm

re: #20 austin_blue

Uh oh…

radar.weather.gov

Just a little rain

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 17, 2019 • 9:44:25pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 17, 2019 • 9:47:31pm

re: #22 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

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The poll really spells out the contradictory world that US politics has to work in: Americans want free/cheap healthcare, but they don’t want to have to give up the security blanket of a health insurance policy. The problem is that the things they want to be guaranteed by law if not as a right…would put most insurance companies out of business.

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austin_blue  Apr 17, 2019 • 10:17:01pm

re: #21 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Just a little rain

One of the guys I miss from the bad old days when RWNJ’s populated this board was (correct me if I don’t have the Nic exactly right) Ed Mahmoud’s Sock Puppet. I don’t know if he was a trained meteorologist, but he was always spot-on as far as interpreting the level of threat of storms in Texas. I also believe that of the 254 counties in Texas, he had gotten drunk in at least 200.

Good for him.

So, we have two kinds of spring storms, and the one we we have tonight is sweeping in from the west generated by a low pressure system that is sweeping east, fast, from a low pressure system centered around Dallas.

Dave In Austin is going to get hammered tonight.

Here, in town, the 700’ drop from the Hill Country to our west tends to break up storm cells, and cause them to re-form to the east. We are often in a rain shadow from fast moving E -> W moving squall lines.

The real danger here in Flash Flood Alley is strong low pressure systems up in Oklahoma that drag instability down our way that result in thunderstorms training over the same patch of land. That’s what happened two Saturdays ago when I got just under 5” in my backyard.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 17, 2019 • 10:21:19pm

I’m awake and listening…..
I’ve seen worse so far. This thing is fairly unorganized.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 17, 2019 • 10:30:13pm
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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 17, 2019 • 10:37:48pm
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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 17, 2019 • 10:42:42pm
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austin_blue  Apr 17, 2019 • 10:43:12pm

re: #25 Dave In Austin

I’m awake and listening…..
I’ve seen worse so far. This thing is fairly unorganized.

And the squall line is losing intensity coming off the Balcones Fault. We were warned about two-inch hail, but all we are getting is heavy, but not inundating rain here in town.

The latest radar images show the the color shift as the squall line moves east off of the high ground. Typical, and fortunate for Austin:

radar.weather.gov

You’ll notice that it is regenerating just east of the city. This is typical. The counties east of us will get much more severe weather than we will in town from a storm system like this.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2019 • 10:54:55pm

Wow, she ain’t fuckin’ around.

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austin_blue  Apr 17, 2019 • 10:55:30pm

re: #27 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

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I guess that means that words “was guilty of” will not be in the delivered document.

Go figure.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 17, 2019 • 10:55:39pm

My wife’s favourite aunt’s funeral was yesterday. She lived to be ninety-nine. She was born in November of 1919.

Her youngest brother just told her about it via E-mail. The overwhelming majority of her family disowned her many years ago because she is an atheist.

We went to one of her brother’s funeral many years ago, where my wife got the ubiquitous question from her preacher brother “what church do you go to” and my wife answered him honestly.

The funeral turned into a very ugly scene for us, and we left prior to the start of the service. (That was my only introduction to her family other than her younger brother.)

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austin_blue  Apr 17, 2019 • 11:06:39pm

re: #32 Anymouse 🌹

My wife’s favourite aunt’s funeral was yesterday. She lived to be ninety-nine. She was born in November of 1919.

Her youngest brother just told her about it via E-mail. The overwhelming majority of her family disowned her many years ago because she is an atheist.

We went to one of her brother’s funeral many years ago when my wife got the ubiquitous question from her preacher brother “what church do you go to” and my wife answered him honestly.

The funeral turned into a very ugly scene for us, and we left prior to the start of the service. (That was my only introduction to her family other than her younger brother.)

Family dynamics are often complicated. I hope your wife can manage to accept this one.

Quite frankly, that really, at any level, sucks.

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austin_blue  Apr 17, 2019 • 11:13:21pm

And it’s adios, adieu, tata, and catch you tomorrow time.

Sweet scaly dreams to each and every one of you.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 17, 2019 • 11:17:04pm

re: #33 austin_blue

Family dynamics are often complicated. I hope your wife can manage to accept this one.

Quite frankly, that really, at any level, sucks.

Well, our families’ dynamics aren’t really that complicated. Almost everyone in her family and almost everyone in my family hates us both.

She is upset at learning about her aunt via E-mail after the fact. Considering how the last funeral we attended went, I imagine they didn’t want us there.

You have the family you’re related to through birth, and the family of people who choose you to be with.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Apr 17, 2019 • 11:45:21pm

In my home state of Wisconsin, former Gov. Scott Walker and Trump and Ryan touted the biggest giveaway of taxpayer money in history to Foxconn.

They claimed that tens of thousands of manufacturing jobs would result.

Foxconn saw these stupid rubes coming a mile away: jsonline.com

Wonder how much of those bribes … er, cough, perfectly legal tax incentives Wound up in Scotty’s grubby little pocket?

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 17, 2019 • 11:51:28pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 17, 2019 • 11:57:44pm

re: #37 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

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Because the Barr letter and the subsequent attempts at a media blitz did nothing to move the needle. The majority of voters still think that Donny is a rotten crook and today’s release of the “lightly redacted” report probably won’t do much to change that. If anything, new revelations from the report will only push the polls further against him. The public was promised “total exoneration” by Donny, but Barr has failed to deliver on that and the report’s release is only going to further muddy the waters.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 17, 2019 • 11:57:58pm

China’s growing demographic problem will become an economic one.

China’s main state pension fund will run out of money by 2035 due to a decline in the available work force, according to new research.

The urban worker pension fund, the backbone of the country’s state pension system, held a reserve of 4.8 trillion yuan (US$714 billion) at the end of 2018. It is predicted to peak at 7 trillion yuan in 2027, then drop steadily to zero by 2035, a report by the World Social Security Centre at the government-supported Chinese Academy of Social Sciences has said.

And the gap between contributions and outlays could be as high as 11 trillion yuan (US$1.64 trillion) by 2050, with each retired citizen supported by only one worker, down from the current level of two, the government think tank calculated.

The report confirms long-standing concerns among the general public, especially among younger people, that China’s state pension system is financially unsustainable and highlights a major challenge for the government after four decades of restrictions on births.

scmp.com

The loosening of the one-child rule a few years ago came a little too late.

Pensioners would have to rely even more on their families for support, thereby putting tweeners (couples with kids and parents to care for) is even more financial stress. That would make it harder for such families to be consumers and investors, both of which China needs to keep its economy humming along.

A sensible policy would be to use the nation’s vast wealth to expand the pension system, even to expand it to cover all senior citizens not already receiving a pension. Whether the Politburo is that far-sighted is a big question. Universal retirement pensions are not as sexy as high-speed rail lines or international transport expansion.

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Targetpractice  Apr 18, 2019 • 12:46:03am

So, for those taking notes at home, the AG announced last night that he and the Deputy AG will be holding a Comey-style press conference about the Mueller Report hours before said report will be released to Congress and the public. Atop that news was revelations that WH lawyers have been in discussions with the AG for weeks about the Report’s release and the subject of said Report spilled the beans about the AG’s presser on live radio hours before the DOJ announced it. And the subject of that Report has also been slagging it, the DOJ, and everyone involved in its genesis for days despite his continued insistence that it totally exonerates him.

Take all this in mind when the press begins breathlessly reciting the very things they said upon the submission of the Report to the AG a month ago, about how the whole thing flipped the narrative in the WH’s favor and the DNC looked ridiculous for not letting it drop.

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Teukka  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:16:36am
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:21:28am

Guess which state has two of the least diverse cities in the USA? (Goes to Utah Outcasts, caution for coarse language, 11:12)

Guess Which State Has TWO of the Least Diverse Cities in the USA?

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Teukka  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:34:18am

N.B.: The Onion

N.B.: The Onion

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:47:50am

I want to thank the Academy for putting me over 132,832 karma points.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:49:14am

re: #44 Anymouse 🌹

I want to thank the Academy for putting me over 132,832 karma points.

You have been here less than half as long as I have and are already ahead of me in updings…time to start another flame war!

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:51:15am

re: #41 Teukka

Can’t say that data surprises me. It pretty much confirms what’s been anecdotally suspected for quite some time.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:54:45am

heh

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freetoken  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:57:09am

re: #30 goddamnedfrank

Wow, she ain’t fuckin’ around.

Good for her… but how is she going to stop Donnie and his supplicant Republican Senate?

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Teukka  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:57:35am

re: #46 Dr Lizardo

Can’t say that data surprises me. It pretty much confirms what’s been anecdotally suspected for quite some time.

Extremism such as that of Daeshbags, Tealiban and Y’all Qaeda has a fertile soil in inequality. I also suspect that once deeper research is done, it will confirm another anecdotal suspicion, that of the unholy triad of extremism, terrorism and organized crime.

There is some evidence emerging that suggests many Daeshbag controlled areas were at times run like protection rackets.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:06:24am

I wonder if they could qualify for the Iditarod.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:07:04am

re: #50 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

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I wonder if they could qualify for the Iditarod.

Iditarob

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:15:13am

Iowa Republicans are attempting to pass a law to push out the Chief Justice of the Iowa Supreme Court on a specific date in 2021.

The Chief Justice was the person who wrote the unanimous decision for marriage equality in 2009.

The bill would also eliminate the merit-based system of appointment of state supreme court justices (a non-partisan commission submits a list to the governor) with a system to allow the party in power to appoint justices without such input.

Christians already turfed out three of the justices from that decision.

One of the great failings of liberal voters is the failure to look at who’s appointing judges and who writes the laws for that.

Goes to “The Non-Prophets” (7:10)

Iowan Bill Would Deliberately Target Marriage Equality | The Non-Prophets 18.05

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Targetpractice  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:21:08am

re: #48 freetoken

Good for her… but how is she going to stop Donnie and his supplicant Republican Senate?

Any US-UK trade agreement would be subject to the same requirements to ratify any treaty: 2/3 vote. Even given their “win” last November, the Senate GOP don’t possess the votes needed to reach 2/3 without DNC votes. It’s the same reason why NAFTA 1.2 is still languishing in the Senate, because Mitch hasn’t been able to even line up the GOP votes he needs, let alone get the Blue Dogs to vote “aye.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:37:36am

re: #52 Anymouse 🌹

One of the great failings of liberal voters is the failure to look at who’s appointing judges and who writes the laws for that.

yunno, one of the things that helped make the reforms starting in the 60’s possible in women’s, gay and minority rights was the Warren Court, a legacy of 20 years of Democratic rule.

We are looking down the barrel of a dark, dark, era in American jurisdiction thanks to the outcome of the 2016 election.

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Targetpractice  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:41:58am

re: #47 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

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heh

So much effort spent by the press presenting a move that had diplomats across the globe shaking their heads as an “accomplishment” being wasted as Kim gets impatient that all his flattery of Donny went nowhere.

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freetoken  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:57:54am
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:58:31am

re: #54 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

yunno, one of the things that helped make the reforms starting in the 60’s possible in women’s, gay and minority rights was the Warren Court, a legacy of 20 years of Democratic rule.

We are looking down the barrel of a dark, dark, era in American jurisdiction thanks to the outcome of the 2016 election.

Which makes the 2020 election that much more important. The GOP Senate is looking at a map which was as bad as ours in 2018, and during a presidential election.

Even if Trump was reëlected (insert endless scream), a Democratic-majority Senate would effectively end the push for right-wing judges.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:09:16am

re: #57 Anymouse 🌹

Which makes the 2020 election that much more important. The GOP Senate is looking at a map which was as bad as ours in 2018, and during a presidential election.

Even if Trump was reëlected (insert endless scream), a Democratic-majority Senate would effectively end the push for right-wing judges.

I don’t even want to think about the possibility of DT winning re-election but we cannot and must not rule it out.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:17:51am

Reason #1,485,762 why it’s often a good idea to wait for second or third gen consumer electronics.

First there was Bendgate. Now there is … Foldgate?

Several reporters with early access to Samsung’s Galaxy Fold — a luxury foldable smartphone that turns into a tablet — say their new devices broke after just a few days of use.

Reviewer Mark Gurman from Bloomberg said his “review unit is completely broken and unusable after just two days in.” In a series of tweets, he documented how his screen broke after he removed the protective film on the screen. Meanwhile, The Verge’s Dieter Bohn called out a “small bulge” on what he said was a defective hinge.

Other reviewers have indicated a constant flickering screen.

edition.cnn.com [note: Autoplay vid embedded at link]

Granted, that protective film shouldn’t have been removed - it’s actually noted in the instructions. That being said, this is a first-gen product and bugs and defects are to be expected. I certainly hope that people considering blowing two grand on this baby maybe hold off a bit until Samsung gets the concept perfected. It’s a cool idea nonetheless.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:18:14am

re: #58 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I don’t even want to think about the possibility of DT winning re-election but we cannot and must not rule it out.

Yup. I don’t rule it out either.

Though a lot of people say things like “polls can’t be trusted, they all predicted Hillary Clinton would win” that is not so. Donald Trump was almost always within the margin-of-error once he became the nominee.

I’m really disgusted with all the people who voted third-party, wrote in Mickey Mouse or other nonsense, or simply sat out the election with bothsiderism arguments. Clearly both sides are not the same. There is no chance someone like Donald Trump could become our nominee.

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steve_davis  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:20:05am

re: #3 Belafon

From the last thread:

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they can be heard singing, in tiny, high voices, “I am, I am superman, and I can do anything.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:23:29am

re: #60 Anymouse 🌹

I’m really disgusted with all the people who voted third-party, wrote in Mickey Mouse or other nonsense, or simply sat out the election with bothsiderism arguments. Clearly both sides are not the same. There is no chance someone like Donald Trump could become our nominee.

This was where the “interference” or in any case involvement of Russia came into play: they used their bots and veiled Internet presences to convince idealists to vote only for the candidate that fulfills their personal standards of purity or not vote at all, while also insisting that there was no significant difference between DT and HRC.

Remember, apathy and indifference are the best forms of voter suppression.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:28:46am

Apparently Laura Ingraham went on a rant on her show about Christine Teigan being added to Time’s 100 influential women list. Mrs. Teigan fired back (thread, three tweets):

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:39:34am

OT: Yesterday I called the VA to make an appointment. (Long story short, I am in great pain.)

I’m not happy with the new conservative-contracted commercial appointment system the GOP foisted off on us when they last controlled the House. I used to be able to call the clinic and make appointments.

At any rate, the request for an appointment was not passed along.

I should go to the nurse practitioner’s house (she lives across the street from me) to ask her to check up on my appointment request.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:46:40am

bbc.com

The maker of the Assassin’s Creed games will donate €500,000 ($565,000; £433,000) to the reconstruction of the fire-damaged Cathedral of Notre-Dame.

A digital version of the building, which featured in its 2014 release Assassin’s Creed Unity, was modelled over a period of 14 months.

The company told the BBC that it would share the design with the French authorities, if requested.

“We would be happy to help,” said a spokesman.

(Article includes video taken inside the fire-damaged church)

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:47:13am

re: #32 Anymouse 🌹

It’s interesting how hostile some folk are to atheists. Do they want them to lie about believing in something that they don’t? If God exists surely he or she wouldn’t want us to lie about believing.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:51:30am

re: #66 Patricia Kayden

It’s interesting how hostile some folk are to atheists. Do they want them to lie about believing in something that they don’t? If God exists surely he or she wouldn’t want us to lie about believing.

It’s not just right-wing nuts either.

It kind of fits in with arguments of “if there’s no God, how can there be objective morality? Why wouldn’t people just go round raping and killing?”

a) There isn’t any objective morality.
b) Laws
c) If you need religion to keep from raping and killing, by all means I don’t want you to give up religion.

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Teukka  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:55:04am

re: #67 Anymouse 🌹

It’s not just right-wing nuts either.

It kind of fits in with arguments of “if there’s no God, how can there be objective morality? Why wouldn’t people just go round raping and killing?”

a) There isn’t any objective morality.
b) Laws
c) If you need religion to keep from raping and killing, by all means I don’t want you to give up religion.

It’s what I fear, something happening which knocks out a lot of nutbars faith…

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:57:37am

re: #67 Anymouse 🌹

It’s not just right-wing nuts either.

It kind of fits in with arguments of “if there’s no God, how can there be objective morality? Why wouldn’t people just go round raping and killing?”

a) There isn’t any objective morality.
b) Laws
c) If you need religion to keep from raping and killing, by all means I don’t want you to give up religion.

Good point, especially about objective morality. The ancient Spartans thought it was a perfectly wonderful and commendable thing to be humping little boys; it goes without saying that such a worldview would be seen as abhorrent by most people today. That’s a great example of how morality changes over the course of time. Slavery is another example of that.

Morals change - what is acceptable, indeed laudable, in one place and time can be viewed by later generations as repugnant and monstrous.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:07:06am

re: #69 Dr Lizardo

Even that which is argued in Christianity as “the” objective morality (the Ten Commandments) is not objective.

“Thou shalt not kill” is sometimes translated as “thou shalt not murder.” The first (kill) is absolute, the second is defined in law.

My example of objective morals deals with “thou shalt not steal.” That’s a pretty clear statement: Theft is always wrong. It is morally repugnant.

If you are a police officer who is under cover, embedded with a group thought to be extremists, and you encounter during your surveillance the plans to blow up an elementary school, is it wrong to steal those plans and turn them over to your superiors to foil the plot?

Thou shalt not steal is a moral absolute. It does not make a distinction. Theft is wrong.

The fact that someone can rationalise that theft of plans as “for the greater good” (which ain’t in the Ten Commandments) shows that even in that cornerstone of belief, there is no objective morality when the rubber hits the road.

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Targetpractice  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:10:13am

re: #67 Anymouse 🌹

It’s not just right-wing nuts either.

It kind of fits in with arguments of “if there’s no God, how can there be objective morality? Why wouldn’t people just go round raping and killing?”

a) There isn’t any objective morality.
b) Laws
c) If you need religion to keep from raping and killing, by all means I don’t want you to give up religion.

My response to that argument is “The threat of eternal punishment doesn’t seem to be doing much to stop raping and killing.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:11:44am

re: #71 Targetpractice

My response to that argument is “The threat of eternal punishment doesn’t seem to be doing much to stop raping and killing.”

With your permission, I will borrow that. (I’ll credit it to “Targetpractice at LGF.”)

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Shropshire Slasher  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:12:46am

I got a chuckle out of this Drudge headline.

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Teukka  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:14:27am

re: #70 Anymouse 🌹

Even that which is argued in Christianity as “the” objective morality (the Ten Commandments) is not objective.

“Thou shalt not kill” is sometimes translated as “thou shalt not murder.” The first (kill) is absolute, the second is defined in law.

My example of objective morals deals with “thou shalt not steal.” That’s a pretty clear statement: Theft is always wrong. It is morally repugnant.

If you are a police officer who is under cover, embedded with a group thought to be extremists, and you encounter during your surveillance the plans to blow up an elementary school, is it wrong to steal those plans and turn them over to your superiors to foil the plot?

Thou shalt not steal is a moral absolute. It does not make a distinction. Theft is wrong.

The fact that someone can rationalise that theft of plans as “for the greater good” (which ain’t in the Ten Commandments) shows that even in that cornerstone of belief, there is no objective morality when the rubber hits the road.

The thing which irks me to no end with the Christian fundies is their myopic interpretation of #2, “Do not misuse the name of The LORD your God.” They seem to believe that only bans cussing and using the G-word inappropriately, while how I was raised, it’s about using The Boss of Bosses, or faith in said Boss, as an excuse to passively or actively violate #3 to #10.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:16:22am

re: #67 Anymouse 🌹

“If you need religion to keep from raping and killing, by all means I don’t want you to give up religion.”

The countries with higher percentages of religious people aren’t free of crime including rape and murder. The countries which are less religious tend to be wealthier and safer. Just saying.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:18:20am

So, a bit of good news…..well, with any luck.

An alliance of pro-EU conservative, socialist and liberal parties would win an absolute majority in next month’s European Parliament election, though eurosceptic groups will gain ground, a survey showed on Thursday.

With Britain expected to participate after its departure from the European Union was delayed, the proportion of the assembly’s seats held by eurosceptics is seen rising to 14.3 percent from around 10 percent currently, according to the compilation of national polls commissioned by the European Parliament.

The figure was 13.0 percent in the previous survey in March, which did not include British voters.

Currently, a coalition of centre-right and centre-left groupings holds a majority.

reuters.com

Of course, time will tell, but I’ll keep my fingers crossed and hope that this prognostication turns out to be correct.

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Targetpractice  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:21:56am

re: #72 Anymouse 🌹

With your permission, I will borrow that. (I’ll credit it to “Targetpractice at LGF.”)

Use it with my blessing.

I’ve never had much stomach for the “We rely upon religion for morals/ethics/laws” argument. Some of the worst atrocities in human history were committed by men who believed they were acting as a divine being commanded them to.

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darthstar  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:22:32am

All mentions of President Trump will be redacted.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:22:40am

re: #74 Teukka

The thing which irks me to no end with the Christian fundies is their myopic interpretation of #2, “Do not misuse the name of The LORD your God.” They seem to believe that only bans cussing and using the G-word inappropriately, while how I was raised, it’s about using The Boss of Bosses, or faith in said Boss, as an excuse to passively or actively violate #3 to #10.

I got a kick out of a comment someone sent me: If you’re an atheist, how can you say “oh God” when you orgasm?

Aside from the creep factor involved in that (are you listening in to my bedroom antics), does it matter? I’m not big on the idea of a third involved in that, and if God is everywhere, then he’s in my bedroom. That seems kind of creepy to me.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:22:47am

re: #71 Targetpractice

My response to that argument is “The threat of eternal punishment doesn’t seem to be doing much to stop raping and killing.”

Especially by “Christians.”

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Teukka  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:25:47am

re: #79 Anymouse 🌹

I got a kick out of a comment someone sent me: If you’re an atheist, how can you say “oh God” when you orgasm?

Aside from the creep factor involved in that (are you listening in to my bedroom antics), does it matter? I’m not big on the idea of a third involved in that, and if God is everywhere, then he’s in my bedroom. That seems kind of creepy to me.

From my POV, since God is everywhere, including my bedroom, I better give him a good quality show when I do that

*runs for cover, ducks behind sandbags*

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Ming5000  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:27:19am

re: #79 Anymouse 🌹

Seems like a good time for a “Things Said During Orgasm” thread.
Or, maybe not.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:28:20am

re: #81 Teukka

From my POV, since God is everywhere, including my bedroom, I better give him a good quality show when I do that

*runs for cover, ducks behind sandbags*

LOL.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:28:54am

re: #82 Ming5000

Seems like a good time for a “Things Said During Orgasm” thread.
Or, maybe not.

My first wife calling out the name of her boss at the time.

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Shropshire Slasher  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:29:58am

re: #82 Ming5000

I really want to look forward to my toasted cheddar cheese and jalapeno bagel.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:40:10am

re: #81 Teukka

From my POV, since God is everywhere, including my bedroom, I better give him a good quality show when I do that

*runs for cover, ducks behind sandbags*

I would love for some church to put on their billboard “Have sex like you know God is watching.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:52:44am

Now we know why Rep. Andy Barr rescinded his invitation to Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:54:39am

re: #67 Anymouse 🌹

It’s not just right-wing nuts either.

It kind of fits in with arguments of “if there’s no God, how can there be objective morality? Why wouldn’t people just go round raping and killing?”

a) There isn’t any objective morality.
b) Laws
c) If you need religion to keep from raping and killing, by all means I don’t want you to give up religion.

People will be rapey-killy-stealy-gambly all the time unless they all fear eternal retribution and flaming damnation

That is their view of human nature, or rather, their own self-loathing projected onto the rest of society.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:58:03am

re: #89 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

People will be rapey-killy-stealy-gambly all the time unless they all fear eternal retribution and flaming damnation

That is their view of human nature, or rather, their own self-loathing projected onto the rest of society.

I don’t want to rape or kill anyone. I don’t even need laws to tell me that is wrong.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:58:41am

re: #90 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t want to rape or kill anyone. I don’t even need laws to tell me that is wrong.

you godless pervert!

/

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darthstar  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:59:17am
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:05:03am

‘Not my Jesus’: Christian students protest Pence, alarming conservatives (Goes to the Washington Post)

Taylor University, a Christian evangelical college in Indiana, has invited Vice-President Pence to speak at it’s commencement ceremony.

There is massive pushback against the university from students and alumni. A Change dot org petition has drawn over five thousand signatures.

“Inviting Vice President Pence to Taylor University and giving him a coveted platform for his political views makes our alumni, faculty, staff and current students complicit in the Trump-Pence Administration’s policies, which we believe are not consistent with the Christian ethic of love we hold dear,” wrote the petition’s author, Alex Hoekstra, who graduated from Taylor in 2007 and has since then held roles with the Democratic Party, including in Oregon and at the national level.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:06:24am

re: #11 Old Liberal

I believe Ken Ham is Australian

you misspelled asshole

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:06:33am

re: #93 Anymouse 🌹

‘Not my Jesus’: Christian students protest Pence, alarming conservatives (Goes to the Washington Post

Taylor University, a Christian evangelical college in Indiana, has invited Vice-President Pence to speak at it’s commencement ceremony.

There is massive pushback against the university from students and alumni. A Change dot org petition has drawn over five thousand signatures.

It would be satisfying to see Christian religious groups leading the counter-charge against the travesty that Pence and Trump have made of their religion

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ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:08:36am

Morning!

So is everyone ready for the Bill Barr Show®!

Starring Bill Barr
Written by Bill Barr
Produced and edited by Bill Barr
Based on a story by Bill Barr

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:08:41am

Glad to see push back within the Evangelical community on Trump-Pence. Pence is an as big hateful asshole as Trump.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:09:00am

I saw something new from Fucker Carlson…

Holy shit.

Tucker Carlson Gets Super Creepy While Thinking About Pete Buttigieg

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ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:11:34am

re: #93 Anymouse 🌹

‘Not my Jesus’: Christian students protest Pence, alarming conservatives (Goes to the Washington Post)

Taylor University, a Christian evangelical college in Indiana, has invited Vice-President Pence to speak at it’s commencement ceremony.

There is massive pushback against the university from students and alumni. A Change dot org petition has drawn over five thousand signatures.

What is a good Christian like Mike Pence going to do when he can’t even get any love from other Christians?

One thing for sure, he will not change. That fool is so damn drunk on his own brand of “Christianity” he can’t be touched by any angels.

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jeffreyw  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:12:25am

This dead armadillo looks like an alien facehugger.

Good morning!

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:12:55am

re: #95 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It would be satisfying to see Christian religious groups leading the counter-charge against the travesty that Pence and Trump have made of their religion

re: #97 HappyWarrior

Glad to see push back within the Evangelical community on Trump-Pence. Pence is an as big hateful asshole as Trump.

It will take Christians to push back, not people like me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:14:53am

and now he’s retweeting a bunch of Judicial Watch tweets

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:16:13am

I’m off to bed. Catch y’all later.

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ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:17:26am

re: #103 Anymouse 🌹

I’m off to bed. Catch y’all later.

What? You are going to miss the big reveal!

Hmmm. You might have the right idea.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:18:20am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:19:07am

re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Good.

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Targetpractice  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:20:47am

re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth

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‘bout time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:23:32am
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Targetpractice  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:24:26am

Honestly, if the first question to Barr from reporters is not “Why should we believe anything you have to say?,” I’m probably going to turn off the TV. There is absolutely no reason to take seriously this whole charade if the press is going to act as though Barr has any credibility by this point.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:25:56am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:29:56am

Telling you. There’s something in the report that Mueller concluded that he doesn’t like. My bet is that it’s only the precedent against criminally prosecuting a sitting President that saved him and Mueller thinks he did obstruct justice.

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Shropshire Slasher  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:29:57am

re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth

It will be like the Oliver North testimony all over again. Democrats don’t want to win in 2020, do they?

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:30:11am

re: #96 ObserverArt

Morning!

So is everyone ready for the Bill Barr Show®!

Starring Bill Barr
Written by Bill Barr
Produced and edited by Bill Barr
Based on a story by Bill Barr

I personally separate the book from the movie based on it.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:30:27am

re: #109 Targetpractice

Honestly, if the first question to Barr from reporters is not “Why should we believe anything you have to say?,” I’m probably going to turn off the TV. There is absolutely no reason to take seriously this whole charade if the press is going to act as though Barr has any credibility by this point.

Yeah Barr’s cred should be zlitch at this point.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:31:50am
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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:33:53am

re: #112 Shropshire Slasher

It will be like the Oliver North testimony all over again. Democrats don’t want to win in 2020, do they?

Yeah, cause Mueller is exactly like North.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:38:53am
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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:41:53am

re: #45 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You have been here less than half as long as I have and are already ahead of me in updings…time to start another flame war!

Pikers… the both of you.

But remember that more important than the number is the ratio…. karma to points….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:42:07am
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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:42:08am
The likenesses of music legend Johnny Cash and civil rights icon Daisy Lee Gatson Bates will appear in the hallways of the U.S. Capitol in marble form, replacing two figures from the Civil War.

Cash, the esteemed country music artist with crossover appeal, hailed from Arkansas. Some state lawmakers were opposed to using Cash to represent the state in Washington because of his troubled past, according to the Arkansas Times.

“Mr. Cash is a great musician . . . but the drugs, the alcohol, the women, that kind of thing . . . no, I can’t hold him up to my children as a model,” state Rep. Doug House (R) said.

I wonder who House voted for (no, actually I don’t).

I hadn’t realized they were going to the US capitol.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:43:14am

re: #120 Belafon

I wonder who House voted for (no, actually I don’t).

I hadn’t realized they were going to the US capitol.

Oh but a Confederate who owned people and waged war against the government of the United States should be a model for children.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:43:25am

re: #118 lawhawk

Pikers… the both of you.

But remember that more important than the number is the ratio…. karma to points….

AM has me beat there, too…

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:43:55am

re: #118 lawhawk

Pikers… the both of you.

But remember that more important than the number is the ratio…. karma to points….

4.12 for me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:45:07am

re: #121 HappyWarrior

Oh but a Confederate who owned people and waged war against the government of the United States should be a model for children.

JC was a Christian who repented, gave up the drugs and tried to lead a better life, remaining true to his wife for the remainder of his days.

Yeah, they would prefer an unrepentant pussy-grabber…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:45:11am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:45:56am

re: #124 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

JC was a Christian who repented, gave up the drugs and tried to lead a better life, remaining true to his wife for the remainder of his days.

Yeah, they would prefer an unrepentant pussy-grabber…

They prefer bigots time and time again.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:46:57am

re: #126 HappyWarrior

They prefer bigots time and time again.

Whatever keeps them in power.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:47:42am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:48:58am

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Donald Gotti.

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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:49:22am

So, greets and saluts on the Happy Barr Report drop day.

Oh you mean you thought you were seeing the Mueller Report today? Sorry, but that’s not what you’re going to see or hear. You’re going to see the report through the prism of Trump toady Barr. Barr’s going to spin furiously to give Trump breathing room, even though Barr’s already let slip that Trump is in trouble on obstruction (that from the original letter he released).

No one should trust for a moment that Trump is exonerated in any way, shape, or form here.

What we’ll likely find out is that Mueller couldn’t make a case on conspiracy against the US because of the obstruction of justice by Trumpworld and the nonstop lies coming from Trump so he couldn’t get to the bottom of what exactly occurred. Trump refused to testify, which added to the uncertainty.

But it’s going to be clear that Trump should be impeached on obstruction at a minimum.

How do we know that? Because Trump himself is tweeting nonstop about how this report is harassing him all while claiming he’s been exonerated. You can’t claim the report exonerates you when it’s harassing you. That’s not how any of this works.

And until we all read the report, all you’re going to see from the media and WH is spin and supposition.

Oh yeah, and what I’m writing here is supposition based on what we already know and what Trump’s already publicly stated and what Barr has publicly stated.

The report - Barr’s sanitized version or the unredacted Mueller report - wont be nearly as kind to anyone in Trumpworld.

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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:50:04am

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Donald Gotti.

Gotti was surrounded by more competent people than Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:52:12am

re: #131 lawhawk

Gotti was surrounded by more competent people than Trump.

True. I’m just saying that Trump acts like Gotti. No one would mistake his legal team for Gotti’s. Bruce Cutler wasn’t an idiot like Rudy showed himself to be as a defense attorney.

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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:53:07am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:54:08am

re: #133 lawhawk

You’re defending an addled right wing bigot who obstructed justice and violates his oath of office daily.

with the complicit and tacit blessing of his own party

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:56:43am

re: #133 lawhawk

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I see the Trump Derangement Syndrome flung around quite a bit from people who had serious ODS. The question I have is why shouldn’t we hate Trump? There’s nothing admirable about him as a man let alone as President. I’m not going to respect him just because enough people were stupid enough to think he should be President. It’s not like he respected the Presidency ever.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:57:51am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:00:41am

other stuff happening today:

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:00:42am

re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth

There’s some overlap between Mueller and Cohen, but Cohen has things to tell that have nothing to do with the Russia investigation.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:01:42am

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

other stuff happening today:

Trump later: I never authorized any deal on trading with other countries.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:02:04am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:03:04am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:03:58am
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:06:03am

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

So who’s music did he steal for this one?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:16:43am

re: #32 Anymouse 🌹

My wife’s favourite aunt’s funeral was yesterday. She lived to be ninety-nine. She was born in November of 1919.

Her youngest brother just told her about it via E-mail. The overwhelming majority of her family disowned her many years ago because she is an atheist.

We went to one of her brother’s funeral many years ago, where my wife got the ubiquitous question from her preacher brother “what church do you go to” and my wife answered him honestly.

The funeral turned into a very ugly scene for us, and we left prior to the start of the service. (That was my only introduction to her family other than her younger brother.)

I know the feeling since my family disowned me years ago because my then girl friend was black…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:17:29am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:18:33am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:21:22am
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Targetpractice  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:21:48am

To put things into historical perspective: The Clinton White House asked Starr to give them an hour heads-up before he released his report to Congress and the public. Starr denied the request and dropped the report without any warning to the White House.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:24:53am

For some good news, initial unemployment claims dropped to another near 50 year low at only 192k for the week ending April 13.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:25:55am

re: #149 NO SMOCKING GUN!

For some good news, initial unemployment claims dropped to another near 50 year low at only 192k for the week ending April 13.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:27:43am

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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:29:30am

re: #149 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Continuing the trend that began under Obama. Yup… Trump inherited a strong economy, and claims it all as his own just as he claims to be self-made, when he inherited his fortune from his dad.

His kids are doing the same exact thing….

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:32:23am

re: #152 lawhawk

Continuing the trend that began under Obama. Yup… Trump inherited a strong economy, and claims it all as his own just as he claims to be self-made, when he inherited his fortune from his dad.

His kids are doing the same exact thing….

OTOH family-run companies rarely survive past the third generation. Don Jr, Eric and Ivanka might not have much to leave their offspring. Tiffany and Barron would be wise to invest in an indexed mutual fund and just let the dividends accumulate.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:39:03am

re: #92 darthstar

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If Dante’s Inferno was real when DT dies would they have to split him up to get him into the right ditch of the 8th Circle of Hell? (I note how many in the GOP would end up in the same area given that is where hypocrites, panderers, flatterers, and barrators are all supposed to end up.)

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:42:19am

re: #114 HappyWarrior

Yeah Barr’s cred should be zlitch at this point.

I think it’s insanity to think that the media is going to act any differently than they have in the past. They’ll take the whitewash at face value and immediately spin it as the Democrats on a witch hunt. Nothing has happened since this started to make the media stop and say, “Hey, this administration is totally corrupt and lies 100% of the time and we should report it as much from the get go.”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:42:27am

Barr: NO COLLUSION! NO COLLUSION!


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