Trump Refuses to Condemn White Supremacism, Calls on Violent Racist Group to “Stand By”

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This was the most important (and most horrific) moment in tonight’s unbelievable shitshow. Instead of taking the opportunity to condemn white supremacists, he did the opposite, and called on the violent white supremacist group Proud Boys (by name!) to “stand back and stand by.”

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472 comments
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stpaulbear  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:36:00pm

Shut up Trump.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:37:07pm

re: #1 stpaulbear

Shut up Trump.

The Proud Boys need to be classified as a terrorist organization. That way, we can deal with them the same way we deal with al-Qaeda or Islamic State.

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BeachDem  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:37:11pm

I can’t decide if I should go drink some IMMACULATE water and breathe some IMMACULATE air or just go straight to tequila shots.

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teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:37:23pm

Brain bleach.

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:38:06pm

I could not believe what my eyes and ears had for me. Bare-knuckle sedition.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:38:21pm
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retired cynic  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:38:41pm

The worst to me was that he kept yelling lie after lie about Hunter Biden, including what appeared to be just making things up on the fly, and interrupting Joe’s heart-felt tribute to soldiers, including Beau, by bringing up the Hunter stuff AGAIN. Horrible.

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Interesting Times  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:38:43pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:38:54pm
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:39:51pm

Lock and load gang.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:41:04pm

Watching People of Earth to wind down.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:41:24pm

re: #10 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Lock and load, gang.

The white supremacist bully gangs are utter cowards and entirely incompetent, but there are millions of them and they are over-dosing on confidence and arrogance, thanks to Cheeto’s endorsement.

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bratwurst  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:42:03pm

I actually hate this guy more than I hate Trump himself. Trump couldn’t be turning the United Sates into Belarus without holy rollers like Frothy here enabling him to do so.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:42:24pm

re: #3 BeachDem

I can’t decide if I should go drink some IMMACULATE water and breathe some IMMACULATE air or just go straight to tequila shots.

Don’t you mean IMMACULATE tequila shots?

/

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:42:42pm

re: #9 teleskiguy

nytimes.com

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:43:31pm

re: #13 bratwurst

So why doesn’t he like to condemn white supremacists, Frothy?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:43:33pm

re: #7 retired cynic

The worst to me was that he kept yelling lie after lie about Hunter Biden, including what appeared to be just making things up on the fly, and interrupting Joe’s heart-felt tribute to soldiers, including Beau, by bringing up the Hunter stuff AGAIN. Horrible.

You could see Joe get visibly pissed when Trump claimed he didn’t know who Beau even was.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:44:03pm

re: #13 bratwurst

I actually hate this guy more than I hate Trump himself. Trump couldn’t be turning the United Sates into Belarus without holy rollers like Frothy here enabling him to do so.

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Hitler didn’t get to be Hitler without Von Papens like Rick.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:44:05pm

My wife got a letter from the IRS today saying they need more information before they can send her stimulus cheque from Spring.

Good thing we didn’t need that right away.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:44:17pm

re: #12 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

The white supremacist bully gangs are utter cowards and entirely incompetent, but there are millions of them and they are over-dosing on confidence and arrogance, thanks to Cheeto’s endorsement.

The good news, however, is that Trump repulsed voters and did nothing to change the race in his favor. Its set in stone, I think.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:44:25pm

re: #13 bratwurst

I actually hate this guy more than I hate Trump himself. Trump couldn’t be turning the United Sates into Belarus without holy rollers like Frothy here enabling him to do so.

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It’s not that he hates to do it. It’s not like he hates to eat his peas. It’s that he’s a white nationalist who wants the support of other white nationalists.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:44:27pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:44:27pm

re: #16 Ace Rothstein

So why doesn’t he like to condemn white supremacists, Frothy?

He doesn’t like condemning his base.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:44:28pm

re: #17 Eclectic Cyborg

You could see Joe visibly get pissed when Trump didn’t know who Beau even was.

He knows who Beau was.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:45:39pm

re: #19 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

My wife got a letter from the IRS today saying they need more information before they can send her stimulus cheque from Spring.

Good thing we didn’t need that right away.

Since you got a letter, it’s safe to assume they have her address. What else do they need?

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:45:48pm

re: #13 bratwurst

I actually hate this guy more than I hate Trump himself. Trump couldn’t be turning the United Sates into Belarus without holy rollers like Frothy here enabling him to do so.

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In 1994, Santorum knocked on Mom and Dad’s door when he was running for Senator. Mom opened the door and she said FUCK YOU to Frothy as she slammed the door on him.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:45:54pm

re: #24 Ace Rothstein

He knows who Beau was.

Agreed. Updated original comment for accuracy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:46:23pm

re: #26 🌹UOJB!

In 1994, Santorum knocked on Mom and Dad’s door when he was running for Senator. Mom opened the door and she said FUCK YOU to Frothy as she slammed the door on him.

Your mon and I would get along great, I imagine.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:46:28pm

re: #7 retired cynic

interrupting Joe’s heart-felt tribute to soldiers, including Beau

Trump thinks that by interrupting, we won’t compare Beaus’ service to his family’s lack of it.

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BeachDem  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:46:31pm

re: #14 Eclectic Cyborg

Don’t you mean IMMACULATE tequila shots?

/

I was leaning more to sloppy ass drunk.

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EPR-radar  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:46:57pm

re: #20 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The good news, however, is that Trump repulsed voters and did nothing to change the race in his favor. Its set in stone, I think.

It’s also good that Biden turned in a solid performance and didn’t lose it vs. Trump.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:47:03pm

re: #16 Ace Rothstein

So why doesn’t he like to condemn white supremacists, Frothy?

No. Shit. This!

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gocart mozart  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:47:06pm
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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:48:03pm

re: #26 🌹UOJB!

In 1994, Santorum knocked on Mom and Dad’s door when he was running for Senator. Mom opened the door and she said FUCK YOU to Frothy as she slammed the door on him.

Posting again for your mom. RIP Helen Reddy

Helen Reddy - I Am Woman (1971)

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:48:28pm
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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:50:00pm

re: #33 gocart mozart

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David Simon is a fucking national treasure.

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teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:50:39pm

Damn, dude.

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retired cynic  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:52:15pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:52:57pm

re: #35 jaunte

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Sure Ronna. And I’m Katy Perry.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:53:08pm

re: #33 gocart mozart

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:53:19pm

I haven’t thought of Helen Reddy in decades, but upon hearing of her passing, I’m 12 years old again in my bedroom singing “I Am Woman” into my hairbrush

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BeachDem  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:54:59pm

re: #39 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Sure Ronna. And I’m Katy Perry.

Ronna, like the rest of the trumpers, must play a mean pinball.

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A Mom Anon  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:56:08pm

I actually hate Trump more after this than I did before. I did not think that was even possible.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:56:12pm

re: #42 BeachDem

Ronna, like the rest of the trumpers, must play a mean pinball.

The fact that she dropped the Romney from her name to please Trump tells me all I need to know about Ronna Romney McDaniel.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:56:27pm

re: #42 BeachDem

Ronna, like the rest of the trumpers, must play a mean pinball.

Has anyone checked the state propaganda news to see them praise dear leader? I don’t have the stomach for it.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:56:39pm
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Ace Rothstein  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:56:53pm

re: #37 teleskiguy

Why is it a good idea to not condemn white supremacist supporters, Frothy?

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:57:26pm
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jaunte  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:57:44pm
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🌹UOJB!  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:58:11pm

re: #47 Ace Rothstein

Why is it a good idea to not condemn white supremacist supporters, Frothy?

Frothy never got over that night in 1977 when an African-American girl called him an asshole after he got his face slapped by two other girls that he tried to pick up!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:58:17pm

re: #47 Ace Rothstein

Why is it a good idea to not condemn white supremacist supporters, Frothy?

Because they are Trump voters.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:59:06pm

re: #48 jaunte

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We could have fucking avoided this mess four years ago sigh. I’m happy to vote for Biden but I wish I were voting for HRC’s second term on the centennial of women getting the right to vote.

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plansbandc  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:59:44pm

re: #41 Teddy’s Person ✌

She was the one who started the whole womyn’s music genre.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:00:01pm

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stpaulbear  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:00:04pm

re: #34 Teddy’s Person ✌

The band house I lived in in the late 70’s had a cat. She had a song.

I am Mortie, hear me meow.
I am saying ‘feed me now’
and to have a meal it is my only goal.
I don’t think I’ll be alive
If I have to wait ‘til five.
David, have a heart and please fill up my bowl.
Yes, I am fat. Does it matter any way?
I’m just a kitty-cat. Ignore how much I weigh.
If I had food, I would eat everything.
I am purr, I am a biter too.
I am Mortie!

(One of her nicknames was purr-bite. She only liked so much petting)

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teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:00:16pm

Whiny little bitch is whiny.

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Interesting Times  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:00:28pm

re: #43 A Mom Anon

I actually hate Trump more after this than I did before. I did not think that was even possible.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:01:01pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:01:51pm

re: #57 Interesting Times

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Yeah I just don’t see how he gained ground. Biden wasn’t great but he really didn’t need to be. He just needed to be the adult in the room and he was.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:01:59pm

re: #56 teleskiguy

Whiny little bitch is whiny.

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This is why!

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Egregious Philbin  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:02:15pm

re: #41 Teddy’s Person ✌

I haven’t thought of Helen Reddy in decades, but upon hearing of her passing, I’m 12 years old again in my bedroom singing “I Am Woman” into my hairbrush

I always think of the Frank Zappa song “Baby don’t you want a man like me”. “She was an office girl/her name was Betty/her favorite group was Helen Reddy/we discussed the weather…

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stpaulbear  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:03:58pm

re: #43 A Mom Anon

I actually hate Trump more after this than I did before. I did not think that was even possible.

It’ll be interesting to see how much people have donated to Biden by tomorrow morning.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:04:50pm
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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:05:14pm

re: #55 stpaulbear

The band house I lived in in the late 70’s had a cat. She had a song.

I am Mortie, hear me meow.
I am saying ‘feed me now’
and to have a meal it is my only goal.
I don’t think I’ll be alive
If I have to wait ‘til five.
David, have a heart and please fill up my bowl.
Yes, I am fat. Does it matter any way?
I’m just a kitty-cat. Ignore how much I weigh.
If I had food, I would eat everything.
I am purr, I am a biter too.
I am Mortie!

(One of her nicknames was purr-bite. She only liked so much petting)

Now I have “I Am Mortie” stuck in my brain!!!

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RinaX  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:06:21pm

That was exhausting. I rarely watch Trump live, so it was almost paralyzing to deal with his nonsense for 90 minutes. The snap polls so far seem to show that even the normies think he’s off his rocker.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:08:05pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:08:06pm

re: #65 RinaX

That was exhausting. I rarely watch Trump live, so it was almost paralyzing to deal with his nonsense for 90 minutes. The snap polls so far seem to show that even the normies think he’s off his rocker.

I’ve watched too much Agolf Twitler over the years. Tonight was what Terrence McKenna calls “a heroic dose” of the fucking monster.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:08:17pm

re: #65 RinaX

That was exhausting. I rarely watch Trump live, so it was almost paralyzing to deal with his nonsense for 90 minutes. The snap polls so far seem to show that even the normies think he’s off his rocker.

I almost hope there is no second and third debate so I never have to hear that whiny voice again. He’s one of the worst people in our country’s history. He will be studied for years to come like Hitler and Napoleon.

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stpaulbear  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:08:59pm

re: #56 teleskiguy

His fingers are so gross.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:09:55pm

re: #67 teleskiguy

I’ve watched too much Agolf Twitler over the years. Tonight was what Terrence McKenna calls “a heroic dose” of the fucking monster.

+1 for Agolf Twitler. Did you see him seriously try to claim that Biden golfs more than he does tonight? I don’t think I’ve ever seen Biden golf. Meanwhile Trump has been golfing every weekend. He’s a lazy piece of shit who I wouldn’t be upset if he had a run in with a gator on the green.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:09:59pm

re: #69 stpaulbear

His fingers are so gross.

It’s like he stuck his hands in a can of Vienna Sausages.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:10:17pm

re: #69 stpaulbear

His fingers are so gross.

Not as gross as his face. He’s an ugly person in and out.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:10:19pm

I watched a couple of quick clips ON MUTE, and did any of you notice Trump’s standing like a centaur at his lectern?

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:10:30pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:10:37pm

re: #68 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I almost hope there is no second and third debate so I never have to hear that whiny voice again. He’s one of the worst people in our country’s history. He will be studied for years to come like Hitler and Napoleon.

We’ll see, but two more debates could add a couple of Senate seats to the Democrats’ column.

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plansbandc  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:10:46pm

Mac Davis died today too. Sad day for Seventies pop.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:11:11pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:11:28pm

re: #75 NO SMOCKING GUN!

We’ll see, but two more debates could add a couple of Senate seats to the Democrats’ column.

Yeah I’ll take that.

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mmmirele  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:12:03pm

re: #55 stpaulbear

I sung this out loud and my kitty Nicki wandered up for pets.

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stpaulbear  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:12:41pm

re: #64 Teddy’s Person ✌

Now I have “I Am Mortie” stuck in my brain!!!

It’s been stuck in mine for over 40 years.

David was our keyboard player (with the Hammond) and is still my best friend.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:13:13pm

re: #17 Eclectic Cyborg

You could see Joe get visibly pissed when Trump claimed he didn’t know who Beau even was.

Trump might not know. It seems there’s a lot he doesn’t know. He has trouble remembering Tiffany is his child.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:13:48pm

re: #76 plansbandc

Mac Davis died today too. Sad day for Seventies pop.

Mac Davis - - Why Don’t We All Just Get Stoned - CMA - - 1982

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:14:28pm

re: #25 Teddy’s Person ✌

Since you got a letter, it’s safe to assume they have her address. What else do they need?

She’s trying to figure that out. The letter isn’t terribly clear (though it really is from the IRS).

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Jay C  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:17:19pm

re: #60 🌹UOJB!

This is why!

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I really hate to contemplate how rotted my soul would have to be to think WORSE of Donald Trump than I already do….

T

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:19:13pm

re: #84 Jay C

I really hate to contemplate how rotted my soul would have to be to think WORSE of Donald Trump than I already do….

T

Oh I know I can despise him more because I still don’t know how much he fucked us over for his pal Vlad. I know it sounds almost jingoistic but I do want some revenge against Putin and the Russian government. I want Putin to live in fear of the Russian institutions collapsing and him being dragged out by the balls by his own people for the shit he’s done to our country.

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Egregious Philbin  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:19:39pm

re: #76 plansbandc

Damn, I was following this. He did Gilbert Gottfried’s podcast a few months ago and I went in thinking he was a buffoon, but I came out with huge respect for the guy. He wrote “A little less conversation” for Elvis! Listen to the podcast, we lost a great songwriter and performer. gilbertpodcast.com

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Interesting Times  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:20:41pm

Well fuck:

(though if trump can’t be arsed to follow the rules, why should they? Cut his mic anyway and if he pitches an even bigger fit, so be it.)

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:21:03pm

Biden’s got good twitter game.

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BeachDem  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:21:42pm

re: #56 teleskiguy

Whiny little bitch is whiny.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:22:12pm
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stpaulbear  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:22:42pm

re: #86 Egregious Philbin

Damn, I was following this. He did Gilbert Gottfried’s podcast a few months ago and I went in thinking he was a buffoon, but I came out with huge respect for the guy. He wrote “A little less conversation” for Elvis! Listen to the podcast, we lost a great songwriter and performer.

He also wrote ‘In The Ghetto’.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:23:10pm

re: #88 Teddy’s Person ✌

Biden’s got good twitter game.

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I don’t like Van Jones at all but he was talking about how the Proud Boys were gleeful about Trump’s statement. It’s fucking scary that we have a President that has and welcomes the support of a bunch of fascist paramilitary assholes. This is why Trump is uniquely awful. Fuck Reagan, fuck the Bushes, fuck Nixon but you can’t tell me they did this.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:24:04pm

re: #89 BeachDem

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He’s incredibly whiny. Says a lot about the manly men that think that he’s the ideal man. They’re a bunch of wimps too just like their hero. They’re scared little boys.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:24:14pm

re: #92 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I don’t like Van Jones at all but he was talking about how the Proud Boys were gleeful about Trump’s statement. It’s fucking scary that we have a President that has and welcomes the support of a bunch of fascist paramilitary assholes. This is why Trump is uniquely awful. Fuck Reagan, fuck the Bushes, fuck Nixon but you can’t tell me they did this.

Well, they didn’t do it on national television. /////

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:26:11pm

re: #94 Teddy’s Person ✌

Well, they didn’t do it on national television. /////

I really feel so sick after watching these past few years of Trump. I’ve never liked conservatives or the Republican Party. My family has for the most part been tied to the Democrats as long as I can remember but I never thought that the GOP would fully embrace fascist thuggery.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:26:32pm

re: #92 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I don’t like Van Jones at all but he was talking about how the Proud Boys were gleeful about Trump’s statement. It’s fucking scary that we have a President that has and welcomes the support of a bunch of fascist paramilitary assholes. This is why Trump is uniquely awful. Fuck Reagan, fuck the Bushes, fuck Nixon but you can’t tell me they did this.

Oh I remember 1980 when the KKK endorsed Pruneface and the sole time Pruneface was asked a question about it Pruneface shined Dan Rather off…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:26:34pm

re: #39 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Sure Ronna. And I’m Katy Perry.

Now I know what you look like. (4:29)

Katy Perry - Roar (Official)

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:27:56pm
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BeachDem  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:29:16pm

re: #62 stpaulbear

It’ll be interesting to see how much people have donated to Biden by tomorrow morning.

Can’t find the clip, but Symone Sanders said that after 10 pm, they raised a whole lot of $.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:29:21pm

re: #95 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I really feel so sick after watching these past few years of Trump. I’ve never liked conservatives or the Republican Party. My family has for the most part been tied to the Democrats as long as I can remember but I never thought that the GOP would fully embrace fascist thuggery.

After W got reelected, I remember sitting in my grad school advisor’s office, and he commented that we needed to read up on fascism.

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RinaX  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:30:44pm

re: #90 jaunte

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What I felt tonight was similar to the panic I feel when being sexually harassed by an asshole who won’t accept no. I can’t imagine how victims of more severe abuse must have felt.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:32:08pm

re: #95 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I really feel so sick after watching these past few years of Trump. I’ve never liked conservatives or the Republican Party. My family has for the most part been tied to the Democrats as long as I can remember but I never thought that the GOP would fully embrace fascist thuggery.

Grandma told me about the 1936 election when several GOP bigwigs came into Grandpa’s market and they tried to pin an Alf Landon sunflower on him…Great Grandpa picked up his handy baseball bat and started singing the Internationale…The Republicans cut chase and ran out of the market.

By the way 1936 was the first time Pennsylvania adopted the secret ballot to be put in metal boxes. Before that colored slips would be put in glass jars and there were GOP checkers at every poll making sure that factory workers always put the blue (Republican) ballot in the glass jar instead of the yellow Democratic or pink Socialist ballot…but they rebelled in 1912 when a lot of green ballots for Teddy Roosevelt filled those glass jars and the mill owners were PISSED!

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BeachDem  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:32:14pm

re: #63 jaunte

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WaPo’s current header:

Trump attacks, interrupts as Biden tries to stay on message

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:32:19pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:33:13pm

re: #97 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Now I know what you look like. (4:29)

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Well now that you mention it, I do have almost black hair with light blue eyes and Katy and I are kinda related. We’re not actually related but her mom’s half brother and my Dad are third cousins. Her uncle is somewhat famous. He directed Mommie Dearest. Their great grandmothers were sisters.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:34:06pm

re: #100 Teddy’s Person ✌

After W got reelected, I remember sitting in my grad school advisor’s office, and he commented that we needed to read up on fascism.

I just got done reading Anne Applebaum’s Twilight of Democracy. What a fascinating yet scary read.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:34:40pm
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mmmirele  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:35:23pm

Well, this is interesting. A couple of religious stories in the news.

First we have Thom Rainer, former president of Lifeway, the publishing arm of the Southern Baptist Convention, being sued by his former employer. It’s not sexy. It’s basically about violating a non-compete clause in his contract when he went over to Tyndale.

religionnews.com

The next story could be consequential for someone I know. Christianity Today ran a story delving deep into the sleaziness that is Ravi Zacharias, an “apologist” who died last May. Zacharias’ story has gone like this so far: 1) First he lied about his credentials, claiming he had an earned doctorate (nope, they were honorary) and that he’d taught at Oxford and Cambridge (nope, it was all a lie). 2) Then he (allegedly, but I believe Lori Anne Thompson) got into sexting with a married woman, threatened to commit suicide and then browbeat Thompson and her husband into a “settlement” with an NDA that Zacharias proceeded to almost immediately violate. Now that Zacharias is dead, I’ve been asking Ravi Zacharias International Ministries to release the Thompsons from the NDA. 2b) Somewhere in all this mess there’s the story about how Zacharias talked his brother’s girlfriend into getting an abortion back in the 1970s….

3) A few weeks ago, an attorney in San Francisco named Steve Baughman revealed that not only did Zacharias own a couple of day spas with massage therapy, but that he had inappropriately touched massage therapists. Baughman hinted that Zacharias may have masturbated in front of the therapists. Some Evangelicals were upset, not so much about the day spas or the alleged masturbation, but because the spas had “ayurvedic” (Hindu) treatments on offer.

Which brings us up to today. Christianity Today, the house organ of Evangelical Protestantism, published a story following up on what Steve Baughman had alleged earlier this month. And it’s a doozy.

Three women who worked at the businesses, located in a strip mall in the Atlanta suburbs, told Christianity Today that Ravi Zacharias touched them inappropriately, exposed himself, and masturbated during regular treatments over a period of about five years. His business partner said he regrets not stopping Zacharias and sent an apology text to one of the victims this month.

RZIM denies the claims, saying in a statement to CT that the charges of sexual misconduct “do not in any way comport with the man we knew for decades.” The organization has hired a law firm “with experience investigating such matters” to look into the allegations, which date back at least 10 years. RZIM declined to answer any further questions about the inquiry.

christianitytoday.com

There are a lot more details in the article, and of course people are losing their shit at CT for going after one of their idols. Look, they’d been warned for *years* that Zacharias was puffing up his credentials and they still followed after him. (It is absolutely no wonder that these same people follow Donald Trump.) Even before his death in May, people like me had been warning that Ravi Zacharias was not the kind of guy one should trust. My favorite statement on the subject is, “If he’s going to lie about his academic credentials, then why on earth should I believe him when he says he knows the way to God? That’s right, I shouldn’t.” The same goes for lying about the age of the earth, provable facts about candidates for public office, etc.

This last is something that Anymouse should push over to his buddies at Utah Outcasts.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:36:36pm

re: #93 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He’s incredibly whiny. Says a lot about the manly men that think that he’s the ideal man. They’re a bunch of wimps too just like their hero. They’re scared little boys.

Just keep in mind that weak men will kill you for little reason, precisely because they’re weak.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:36:55pm
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Egregious Philbin  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:37:46pm

re: #87 Interesting Times

The TV feed could just pixelate him out and play the sound of elephant farts when he does this.

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Egregious Philbin  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:38:42pm

re: #91 stpaulbear

YES

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i(m)p(each)sos  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:39:51pm

Has anyone seen minute-by-minute ratings?

I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see a huge first 10 minutes or so and then a steep drop as a significant chunk of viewers decided they didn’t need to see the Human Gish do his gallop at full bellow.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:40:28pm

re: #108 mmmirele

Already passed those tidbits to X and The Gang at Utah Outcasts.

BTW— I did their show last week and it was the WILDEST one I’ve ever done with them!

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:43:38pm
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Jay C  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:47:01pm

Another couple of positive takeaways from tonight’s crapfest (IMO anyway): Trump just torpedoed his own “October Surprises” by mendaciously running his yap: he scuttled any credibility his “Spygate” shit might even vaguely have had (and there apparently won’t be any “Durham Report” before the election) by whining about “campaign spying” in the middle of a string of lies (as usual). And his gibbering about Hunter Biden and his “billions from China” can only serve to (further) discredit whatever Ukrainian/“corruption” garbage they may have been planning to dump - as if having Rudy Giuliani managing the op wasn’t “discredit” enough.

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mmmirele  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:47:46pm

re: #114 🌹UOJB!

Already passed those tidbits to X and The Gang at Utah Outcasts.

BTW— I did their show last week and it was the WILDEST one I’ve ever done with them!

Good. That story in Christianity Today is a doozy. I mean, I honestly never expected them to touch that with a ten-foot pole. But they did, and they actually did a halfway decent job at it.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:49:00pm

re: #108 mmmirele

I’ll toss that Christianity Today article at them and see if they do something with it.

Zacharias has always been a disingenuous sleeze, and his apologetics arguments were the same tired debunked crap from ages past.

Part of why apologetics works is because a person hears the claim for the first time (for examples, five hundred witnesses saw Jesus after he died, or atheists are immoral and there is an objective moral standard imposed from outside) and to them it sounds new and ingenuous. They’re not.

Like Dennis Prager, all he did was repackage the same tired debunked arguments in a different way.

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teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:50:55pm

That was without a doubt the worst thing I’ve seen in American politics. It was the raving rantings of a tyrant. And millions of chowderheads out there think Fuckface Von Clownstick won the debate. It’s a foreboding thing to know that we live in a nation populated with millions of sadistic sociopaths.

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BeachDem  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:51:03pm

HuffPo not pulling any punches with their header

RAGING BULL: LYING,
CHEATING, BARKING,
BULLYING — DEBACLE

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Interesting Times  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:54:46pm

Tots and pears:

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:55:50pm

re: #121 Interesting Times

Tots and pears:

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Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of assholes.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:56:42pm

Thread

Rest behind the clicky

Click to Reveal
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jaunte  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:57:01pm

“Will you shut up man.” JoeBiden is all of us.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:57:16pm
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jaunte  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:58:57pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:59:04pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:59:24pm

He’s blaming Chris Wallace for his toddler tantrum.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:01:01pm
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jaunte  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:01:10pm

IT’S ALL CHRIS WALLACE’S FAULT

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:01:19pm

The MSNBC discussion immediately after the debate gave Chris Wallace a pass on being a terrible moderator — they agreed he was in an impossible situation because Trump just ignored whatever was said and did as he pleased. Given that there was no way to cut off the mike, Chris’ hands were tied. How do you stop a bully when you have no way to physically restrain him? When there is no penalty for his rampaging? His supporters love this vicious tyrant — they would have loved the original Hitler too.

The Trump team isn’t likely to agree to a change in rules that included a microphone shutoff after 2 minutes.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:01:58pm

re: #124 jaunte

“Will you shut up man.” JoeBiden is all of us.

re: #126 jaunte

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All this family does is complain. I hope Biden calls him out on it sometime to his face. His supporters need to hear that they support a whiny brat.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:03:03pm

He’s a monster. We don’t need a monster.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:03:27pm

re: #129 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Why the fuck is that remarkable?

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:04:04pm

re: #121 Interesting Times

Tots and pears:

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That is certainly my deepest hope — a 1964 wipeout! But one that lasts a lot longer than 4 years.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:04:47pm

re: #135 Hecuba’s daughter

That is certainly my deepest hope — a 1964 wipeout! But one that lasts a lot longer than 4 years.

1936.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:05:00pm

re: #125 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

I’m not content with Adolf Twitter getting his ass kicked Goldwater style.

I want his ass kicked 1936 Alf Landon style winning only 2 states…

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:05:42pm

Proud Boys excited about the shoutout from Trump, because he always stands by the people he sends out to do his dirty work.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:07:55pm

re: #131 Hecuba’s daughter

The MSNBC discussion immediately after the debate gave Chris Wallace a pass on being a terrible moderator — they agreed he was in an impossible situation because Trump just ignored whatever was said and did as he pleased. Given that there was no way to cut off the mike, Chris’ hands were tied. How do you stop a bully when you have no way to physically restrain him? When there is no penalty for his rampaging? His supporters love this vicious tyrant — they would have loved the original Hitler too.

The Trump team isn’t likely to agree to a change in rules that included a microphone shutoff after 2 minutes.

What I saw tonight was Wallace made a token effort to try to keep Trump under control. More than once he admonished Trump for the first interruption of Biden’s response, and then would let further interruptions go on. And when it came to the “Law & Order” section, what Biden got were not questions but editorialized comments with a “?” tacked at the end.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:08:13pm

re: #131 Hecuba’s daughter

The MSNBC discussion immediately after the debate gave Chris Wallace a pass on being a terrible moderator — they agreed he was in an impossible situation because Trump just ignored whatever was said and did as he pleased. Given that there was no way to cut off the mike, Chris’ hands were tied. How do you stop a bully when you have no way to physically restrain him? When there is no penalty for his rampaging? His supporters love this vicious tyrant — they would have loved the original Hitler too.

The Trump team isn’t likely to agree to a change in rules that included a microphone shutoff after 2 minutes.

Yeah, that’s the thing.

There’s people who are willing to escalate anything to the point that the only next step is some kind of physical engagement, wagering that everyone else is too conscientious to take that step.

We attribute the quality of intelligence to tactics that are merely unthinkable because they are cruel and antisocial, perceiving a surplus where there is in fact an emptiness.

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cat-tikvah  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:10:35pm

re: #129 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Thank you. I wanted that confirmed before sharing it.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:10:42pm
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Belafon  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:11:03pm

re: #121 Interesting Times

Tots and pears:

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BeachDem  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:13:09pm

re: #124 jaunte

“Will you shut up man.” JoeBiden is all of us.

secure.actblue.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:15:36pm

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A Three Hour Tour  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:16:23pm

re: #121 Interesting Times

Tots and pears:

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Oh, pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease!

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BeachDem  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:17:22pm

re: #127 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:17:24pm

MSNBC reports that Biden is going to participate in the two remaining debates, which will let Trump show his ass two more times, and hopefully help defeat some other Republicans.

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:19:51pm

Le Journal de Montréal:

Un Vraie Joke
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Belafon  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:20:26pm

re: #148 NO SMOCKING GUN!

MSNBC reports that Biden is going to participate in the two remaining debates, which will let Trump show his ass two more times, and hopefully help defeat some other Republicans.

They can analyze what Trump did and how Biden could have responded better, because Trump will act exactly the same way in the next debates.

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:21:10pm

re: #149 Sherlock Hound

Le Journal de Montréal:

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[Embedded image]Un Vraie Joke

Going to need a slight translation.

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RinaX  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:22:04pm

re: #150 Belafon

They can analyze what Trump did and how Biden could have responded better, because Trump will act exactly the same way in the next debates.

It could actually go worse for Trump, because he won’t be able to stop himself from yelling at regular people.

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:23:47pm

Bologna in front of a pumpkin.

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A Three Hour Tour  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:24:15pm

re: #151 Belafon

Going to need a slight translation.

I don’t read French, but based on two years of Latin and allowing for centuries of linguistic drift, my gut instinct is to translate it as “a real joke.”

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:25:07pm

re: #154 A Three Hour Tour

I don’t read French, but based on two years of Latin and allowing for centuries of linguistic drift, my gut instinct is to translate it as “a real joke.”

Gracias.

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teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:25:09pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:25:12pm

re: #153 Belafon

Laughing at him is the best thing to do.

Like, nothing will actually stop the bullshit flow, but shaming him will make him self-destruct.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:25:16pm

Right now, the only thing at the Omaha World-Herald on the debate is going to be the top headline in the morning:

Trump takes credit for return of Big Ten football in first presidential debate

At my regional paper, the Scottsbluff Star-Herald has this article up for the top article:

Study proposed for COVID impact on childcare

It’s easy to assume COVID-19 — and subsequent economic contractions — have affected Nebraska’s early education system, early childcare system and all those that work within it. But questions of how bad they were affected and what can be done about it go unanswered.

Now, a study aimed at answering these questions and others regarding the fiscal impact of COVID-19 on childcare in Nebraska is in the works at the Nebraska State Legislature.

State Sen. John Stinner, of Gering [seat of Scott’s Bluff County], proposed the study in July and plans to hold a hearing on Tuesday at 8 a.m. MST that will be live-streamed on NET Nebraska.

The study includes examinations of the fiscal and economic impact of the pandemic on the early childhood workforce and the early childhood care and education system. It also includes examining the current federal and state investments and expenditures in Nebraska’s early childhood care and education system. It also will look at the funding gap between current investments and what would be needed for a “high-quality early childhood care and education system,” as written in the resolution proposing the study.

(more)

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:25:44pm

re: #148 NO SMOCKING GUN!

MSNBC reports that Biden is going to participate in the two remaining debates, which will let Trump show his ass two more times, and hopefully help defeat some other Republicans.

And the topics would be…?

Last night really took the air out of the room (enough that it is now a hard vacuum!), but I look forward to the foreign policy debate with much glee! I think Trump will be interrupted by a phone call from Moscow.

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:26:36pm

re: #155 Belafon

Correct.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:28:11pm

I got a feeling that Trump isn’t going to do any more debates and Pence will pull a no show with Kamala.

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stpaulbear  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:33:31pm

I’m worried that Jill Biden will come down with covid in two weeks.

One rule they should change for the next two debates is that no audience of any kind will be allowed into the studio/theater. Trump’s people and family didn’t follow the rules about mask wearing. They lied when they agreed to the terms. They’ve forfeited their right to attend.

Thinking about the debate, this pissed me off as much as anything Trump pulled this evening. They put Biden’s people at risk of sickness and death.

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BeachDem  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:35:05pm

re: #159 Sherlock Hound

And the topics would be…?

Last night really took the air out of the room (enough that it is now a hard vacuum!), but I look forward to the foreign policy debate with much glee! I think Trump will be interrupted by a phone call from Moscow.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:36:13pm
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Kilroy was here  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:36:43pm

A comment from the Hill.

The number one takeaway is that Trump is morphing into a geriatric bath salts zombie with nothing left to lean on other than a pathetic hail Mary appeal to neo-nazi groups.

So stealing that…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:37:21pm

re: #162 stpaulbear

I’m worried that Jill Biden will come down with covid in two weeks.

One rule they should change for the next two debates is that no audience of any kind will be allowed into the studio/theater. Trump’s people and family didn’t follow the rules about mask wearing. They lied when they agreed to the terms. They’ve forfeited their right to attend.

I’m surprised Dr. Biden didn’t get up and move.

Perhaps she was thinking about the optics of caving to bullies.

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stpaulbear  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:39:58pm

re: #166 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I’m surprised Dr. Biden didn’t get up and move.

Perhaps she was thinking about the optics of caving to bullies.

Yes. I was hoping that she’d get up and move somewhere safer. It might have created some news, but fuck; she needs to get out of harm’s way. That’s not caving.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:40:28pm

re: #164 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I really, reallly want the people who constructed the base Trumps feeds off of to shut up.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:41:18pm

re: #165 Kilroy was here

A comment from the Hill.

The number one takeaway is that Trump is morphing into a geriatric bath salts zombie with nothing left to lean on other than a pathetic hail Mary appeal to neo-nazi groups.

So stealing that…

Maybe Trump will become like this on live TV!

1957 The Man Who Turned To Stone Trailer

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:41:20pm
DENVER (AP) — A man who left a homemade bomb outside a police station in a Colorado mountain town could spend less time in prison under a U.S. appeals court decision in the case.

David Ansberry was sentenced last year to 27 years in prison for leaving the device, which did not explode, outside the Nederland police station in 2016. He pleaded guilty to attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction against a person or property.

His sentence was lengthened because a judge found that his actions were an act of terrorism and that the police officer who picked up the bag that contained the bomb was also a victim of the crime.

In a 2-1 ruling Wednesday, a three-judge panel of the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals threw out the two findings by the judge that had lengthened the sentence and ordered a lower court to re-sentence Ansberry.

U.S. District Judge Christine Arguello determined that Ansberry was seeking revenge for the town marshal’s killing of a fellow member of a band of hippies in 1971 after arresting him. However, the appeals court panel said a terrorism sentencing enhancement can only be given if the crime is determined to be in response to what is actually official government conduct.

(more)

starherald.com

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:42:41pm

re: #161 🌹UOJB!

I got a feeling that Trump isn’t going to do any more debates and Pence will pull a no show with Kamala.

A Pence-Kamala debate would be traditional fare, with no excitement. Pence lies would be low key and his behavior would conform to customary standards.

Would Trump be willing to sacrifice a national audience by skipping the remaining debates? His routine is old and the MSM has long stopped covering his rallies with single minded focus they did during the 2016 campaign.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:43:08pm

I’m just saying…Norman Ohler’s “Blitzed” is suggestive of how this shit is going to go down.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:46:08pm

Joe went into tonight just needing to look “presidential.” In this case, that meant looking like the adult, keeping a command of his faculties, and avoiding any actions or responses that would turn into a meme tomorrow. He not only did that, but he also got in several quips that will be repeated after tonight. And the one time he showed any anger at Trump’s antics, it was in defense of his own children. Even when Donny spoke up about his kids, it was to whine about “how much they gave up” to work for his administration.

By contrast, Donny went into tonight as the underdog. He needed to provoke Joe into having a “gaffe” moment and he needed to look “good” by comparison. Instead, he chased off the audience in the first 10 minutes by being a smarmy prick and he never recovered from there. His performance tonight did little but remind millions of Americans of that abusive asshole in their lives that they did everything they could to avoid. The only way that the pundit can find to defend him is just to pull the BSAB card, and that doesn’t help him in the slightest.

Trump needed to come out of tonight looking like he belongs in the White House. Instead, he leaves the stage looking like someone who needs his meds and a nap.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:47:38pm
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🌹UOJB!  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:48:22pm

I’m gaming the scenarios if Trump does do another debate. If he actually goes through with another debate I will not be surprised if he goes full QAnon and starts babbling about how he is fighting the child molesters, rescuing the mole children and JFK Jr. is going to appear…

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:53:00pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:53:05pm

I genuinely do not see Trump doing another debate after tonight. He’s gonna whine (as he is now) that it was “unfair” how he was treated in the first debate, he’ll demand changes to the rules that the Biden campaign will never agree to, and then he’ll use that as his excuse to walk away from the final two debates.

Personal guess? He’ll demand a live audience, with some lip-service paid to public health concerns by agreeing that they be required to wear masks. The man totally lacked his pressure relief valve in the form of an audience that could cheer him and boo Biden/Wallace. And it shows in how he just kept getting angrier every time his efforts to bully Joe into silence failed.

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plansbandc  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:57:04pm

I hate him.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:59:57pm

Of course the whole attempt by Trump, his surrogates, and the Russians to promulgate the notion that Biden was senile fell by the wayside. That doesn’t mean they won’t produce manipulated video to push out to the Internet audience to pretend that Biden was confused and feeble during the debate.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 29, 2020 • 11:04:01pm

These numbers…

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2020 • 11:06:17pm

Basically, Trump needed a first round knock-out tonight. This was supposed to be his last, big chance to change the momentum of the race. He and his underlings have spent weeks building up tonight as the night when the country sees that Joe can’t stand at the podium and give coherent answers because he’s a senile invalid. What Donny needed was to step up the podium and lay out Joe with the first punch.

Instead, it’s going to end up going to the judges. And that’s the very last thing he could afford because the judges have already made up their minds.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 29, 2020 • 11:11:34pm

As pop culture references go, this is a deep cut:

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teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2020 • 11:13:36pm

More grist for the mill, I guess.

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thecommodore  Sep 29, 2020 • 11:17:15pm

Guess who she writes for.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2020 • 11:21:54pm

re: #184 thecommodore

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Wallace asked if he was “willing,” Emily. And he said he was, but never did. To say he did, particularly when he then came back and insisted that “most” of the violence he saw came from the left, basically amounted to the same sort of “very fine people” bullshit he was being criticized for.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 29, 2020 • 11:22:28pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 29, 2020 • 11:25:23pm

re: #184 thecommodore

Guess who she writes for.

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It occurred to me when listening to the exchange that when Trump said “stand back and stand by” it was because he forgot the term Wallace used. Wallace said “stand down” and Trump only recalled the “stand” part and improvised by trying two variations on “stand”.

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teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2020 • 11:27:16pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2020 • 11:27:50pm

Emily’s attempt to rewrite the bleedin’ obvious is why I said Trump couldn’t afford to let this go to the judges. People who actually watched the exchange know what happened, and the people who didn’t are likely going to believe what they want to believe. The man could have come out and clearly said “I condemn violence from white supremacists and militia groups,” but he never did. He just said he was “willing,” and then started babbling about Antifa and BLM.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 11:30:26pm

re: #174 Dread Pirate Ron

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 11:32:48pm

re: #184 thecommodore

Guess who she writes for.

Culture editor for The Federalist? I wasn’t aware they knew what culture was.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 29, 2020 • 11:33:52pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 29, 2020 • 11:34:48pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 29, 2020 • 11:37:58pm
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 29, 2020 • 11:38:56pm

re: #137 🌹UOJB!

I’m not content with Adolf Twitter getting his ass kicked Goldwater style.

I want his ass kicked 1936 Alf Landon style winning only 2 states…

One irony of that, and a measure of how far the GOP has fallen, is that Landon was an incomparably better candidate, and human being, than Cheeto. He was the longest-lived major party candidate, living on till 1987 and age 100 (51 years after his landslide defeat).

After the communist revolution in China, he was one of the first to advocate recognition of Mao Zedong’s communist government, and its admission to the United Nations, when this was still a very unpopular position among the leadership and followers of both major parties.

Imagine a Republican today having positions remotely like these:

In 1961, Landon urged the U.S. to join the European Common Market. In November 1962, when he was asked to describe his political philosophy, Landon said: “I would say practical progressive, which means that the Republican party or any political party has got to recognize the problems of a growing and complex industrial civilization. And I don’t think the Republican party is really wide awake to that.” Later in the 1960s, Landon backed President Lyndon Johnson on Medicare and other Great Society programs.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 29, 2020 • 11:42:40pm

re: #191 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Culture editor for The Federalist? I wasn’t aware they knew what culture was.

My money’s that they’re very confident that expressionist art and jazz aren’t culture.

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 29, 2020 • 11:43:23pm

re: #191 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Culture editor for The Federalist? I wasn’t aware they knew what culture was.

The Federalist is composed of the same people who quote Göring, “When I hear the word ‘culture’, I reach for my pistol.”

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2020 • 11:43:28pm

It seems appropriate that Donny tried to take credit for getting the Big Ten to play their season, since all I’m hearing from his fans is the sort of shit I expect to hear from football fans when their team gets blown out: “THE REFS GAVE THAT GAME AWAY!”

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teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2020 • 11:44:42pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 11:46:53pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 11:49:19pm

re: #198 Targetpractice

It seems appropriate that Donny tried to take credit for getting the Big Ten to play their season, since all I’m hearing from his fans is the sort of shit I expect to hear from football fans when their team gets blown out: “THE REFS GAVE THAT GAME AWAY!”

And Trump had nothing to do with it; it was our state attorney general taking over a private lawsuit and making it a state case that the Big Ten was violating its non-profit state charter in Nebraska. The GOP here was seeking to strip the Big Ten of its non-profit status, and the Big Ten caved.

That’s our tax dollars at work when Republicans are in charge. You can thank the Nebraska GOP for putting your college-age children at risk for Covid-19. But you get Huskers football.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 11:52:22pm
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DodgerFan1988  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:02:23am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:03:04am

The NRCC is trying the Max Cleland gambit.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:08:00am

re: #203 DodgerFan1988

The Star Wars Holiday Special:

Star Wars Holiday Special, The (1978) [Nice Copy]

Hamill was in heavy makeup because he was still recovering from an accident that had messed up his face.

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Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:09:21am

re: #205 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The Star Wars Holiday Special:

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Hamil was in heavy makeup because he was still recovering from an accident that had messed up his face.

HEY! We don’t acknowledge the existence of that!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:12:46am

re: #205 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The Star Wars Holiday Special:

Hamil was in heavy makeup because he was still recovering from an accident that had messed up his face.

Better movie, 13:20

Hardware Wars

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:19:49am

So glad I missed the debates. Just read the summary coverages, and it was every bit the clusterfuck that I was expecting.

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Jack Burton  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:21:38am

re: #203 DodgerFan1988

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He was being diplomatic by not saying he was in Episode VIII and IX.

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sagehen  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:23:36am

re: #188 teleskiguy

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Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:24:05am

re: #209 Jack Burton

He was being diplomatic by not saying he was in Episode VIII and IX.

Hey, at least Star Wars fans get that much. Shatner keeps trying to insist that ST:V wasn’t that bad.

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Jack Burton  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:26:45am

One of those First 100 days thing for Biden should be getting some official condemnation for, if not outright listing as domestic terrorists, the KKK, Proud Boys, and any of the specific militia groups that instigated violence in BLM protests. The later might be more difficult, but KKK and PBs are low hanging fruit on this front.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:28:57am

re: #204 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The NRCC is trying the Max Cleland gambit.

Schrödinger’s Saudis: our allies and partners for Peace and Prosperity in the Middle East

and

terrorist supporters, Wahabites and home of Bin Laden and 15 of the 19 9/11 assailants

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:29:34am
A Marine who fled Camp Lejeune was one of four service members who police this week said were part of an armed robbery at a Catholic church in a beach town near the North Carolina base.

Lance Cpl. Shawn M. Miller, a field artillery cannoneer with 2nd Battalion, 10th Marine Regiment, fled Thursday as authorities took the other three suspects in the August robbery into custody.

The 2nd Marine Division reported Miller “at large” in a statement published Friday evening, about 24 hours after he was seen in Jacksonville, N.C., nearby the base.

He was taken into custody a couple of hours later in Richlands, about 20 miles northwest of Camp Lejeune, and was booked into the county jail on an armed robbery charge, the division said Friday.

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Marine who fled Camp Lejeune, three others charged with armed robbery at church (Stars & Stripes)

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Jack Burton  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:32:08am

re: #211 Targetpractice

Hey, at least Star Wars fans get that much. Shatner keeps trying to insist that ST:V wasn’t that bad.

There a handful of things in STV that can be salvaged out of that mess and the rest flushed.

The existence of a failed Peace Planet in the Neutral Zone that has turned into Terra 11 from Spacehunter, or Pandora from Borderlands.

A renegade Vulcan leading a cult rejecting logic-only in favor of emotions. (But not him being a blood relative of Spock.)

The line “What does God need with a Starship?” is worthy of reuse somewhere in the franchise.

All these ideas could be reused or canonized in Trek lore somehow. The rest…. CRAP.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:35:23am

re: #215 Jack Burton

There a handful of things in STV that can be salvaged out of that mess and the rest flushed.

The episodes with the Borg in them are pretty good, at least for the production values.

And Seven of Nine…

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Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:37:30am

re: #215 Jack Burton

There a handful of things in STV that can be salvaged out of that mess and the rest flushed.

The existence of a failed Peace Planet in the Neutral Zone that has turned into Terra 11 from Spacehunter, or Pandora from Borderlands.

A renegade Vulcan leading a cult rejecting logic-only in favor of emotions. (But not him being a blood relative of Spock.)

The line “What does God need with a Starship?” is worthy of reuse somewhere in the franchise.

All these ideas could be reused or canonized in Trek lore somehow. The rest…. CRAP.

Trust me, entire reams of text has been dedicated by the EU authors to either explain away the more egregious canon bullshit or at least make it fit somewhere in the overall Trek canon. But it really says something when even Gene basically had to throw up his hands and declare it “apocryphal.” It’s pretty much the only film in the entire franchise where the people responsible have tried to write it out of existence.

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Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:37:58am

re: #216 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The episodes with the Borg in them are pretty good, at least for the production values.

And Seven of Nine…

Speaking of things people would like written out of the canon…

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:38:18am

So the BBC morning news leads off with essentially a both-sides take on the debate, using outtakes of Biden pushing back at Trump:

Trump and Biden duel in chaotic, bitter debate - US election 2020 @BBC News LIVE on iPlayer 🔴 - BBC

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:39:08am

ST V as in film number Five and not ST Voyager.

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Jack Burton  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:40:09am

re: #216 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The episodes with the Borg in them are pretty good, at least for the production values.

And Seven of Nine…

I mean Star Trek 5, but Voyager is still my least favorite TV series of Trek. That said I still like a lot of it.

Generally I say, “What is your favorite Star Trek show and why is it TNG or DS9?”

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Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:41:10am

re: #221 Jack Burton

I mean Star Trek 5, but Voyager is still my least favorite TV series of Trek. That said I still like a lot of it.

Generally I say, “What is your favorite Star Trek show and why is it TNG or DS9?”

DS9 because it was BSG before BSG even existed.

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A Three Hour Tour  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:44:34am

re: #215 Jack Burton

There a handful of things in STV that can be salvaged out of that mess and the rest flushed.

The existence of a failed Peace Planet in the Neutral Zone that has turned into Terra 11 from Spacehunter, or Pandora from Borderlands.

A renegade Vulcan leading a cult rejecting logic-only in favor of emotions. (But not him being a blood relative of Spock.)

The line “What does God need with a Starship?” is worthy of reuse somewhere in the franchise.

All these ideas could be reused or canonized in Trek lore somehow. The rest…. CRAP.

I once put together a homemade edit of STV that cut out a lot of the Yosemite stuff, Uhura’s fandance, the turboshaft bit , basically any scene that made the leads look too much like buffoons, but kept the main plot and action. I only ended up trimming about 15 minutes of footage to get a 90 minute version that I didn’t have to cringe through too much while watching.

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Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:52:15am

The most damning mark against ST:V? After it bombed due to poor ratings and going way overbudget, the only reason Paramount greenlit ST:VI was because they wanted a new film to celebrate the franchise’s 25th anniversary in ‘91.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:52:52am

Both siderism from Navy Times on the debate.

Candidates accuse each other of military insults, disrespect for troops in first presidential debate

In a debate marked by frequent name calling and angry exchanges, the two major party presidential candidates accused each other of demeaning the military and hurting national security, while insisting that they have the best interest of troops at heart.

The event — the first face-to-face showdown between President Donald Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden — largely focused on domestic priorities and concerns about the validity of the upcoming election, just 35 days away.

But both candidates made several references to military and veterans issues, including news reports earlier this month quoting anonymous administration officials charging Trump with referring to fallen U.S. troops buried in France as “losers” and “suckers,” and questioning why any American would join the armed forces.

In response to questions from MOAA, the president vowed to continue his military rebuild while the former vice president pushed for more restrained defense spending.
Leo Shane III

Biden lashed out at the president for the alleged remarks, calling it disrespectful and disgusting.

“The way you talk about the military, you talk about them being losers and suckers,” he said. “My son (Beau) was in Iraq. He spent a year there … He was not a loser. He was a patriot. And the people left behind, they were heroes.”

Trump has denied the charges and countered that Biden made worse remarks in the past, calling troops “stupid bastards” during a visit the United Arab Emirates in 2016. Biden officials have said the remark was made as part of an aside joke, to troops who failed to applaud a fellow service member.

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Jack Burton  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:52:58am

re: #207 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Better movie, 13:20

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Video

I still remember seeing that when I was a kid.

“You’ll laugh. You’ll cry. You’ll kiss 3 bucks goodbye.”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:58:56am

Not watching the debacle, but looking at the stories now being produced about it, from media all over, it appears that “both sides” won.

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Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:04:30am

re: #227 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Not watching the debacle, but looking at the stories now being produced about it, from media all over, it appears that “both sides” won.

That really doesn’t help Trump, nor does it really hurt Biden. The former needed an undisputed “win,” while the latter just needed to avoid major fuck-ups.

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Jack Burton  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:06:12am

re: #227 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Not watching the debacle, but looking at the stories now being produced about it, from media all over, it appears that “both sides” won.

I’ve seen it put more like “both sides lost”.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:10:09am

I’m watching Street Food: Latin America. It makes me want to experiment.

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Jack Burton  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:16:57am

re: #223 A Three Hour Tour

I once put together a homemade edit of STV that cut out a lot of the Yosemite stuff, Uhura’s fandance, the turboshaft bit , basically any scene that made the leads look too much like buffoons, but kept the main plot and action. I only ended up trimming about 15 minutes of footage to get a 90 minute version that I didn’t have to cringe through too much while watching.

In order to make it not make my ass twitch, I’d have to cut out any reference to Sybok being Spock’s half brother, any reference to Sha Ka Ree being in the center of the Galaxy (There’s a black hole there… and it would have taken the Enterprise like 20 or 30 years to get there), any reference to the Enterprise having over a hundred decks (there’s like 26 and they are numbered top to bottom not bottom to top)… and all of the badly placed comedy that fell flat.

I don’t think what’s left would be entirely coherent.

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A Three Hour Tour  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:00:31am

re: #231 Jack Burton

In order to make it not make my ass twitch, I’d have to cut out any reference to Sybok being Spock’s half brother, any reference to Sha Ka Ree being in the center of the Galaxy (There’s a black hole there… and it would have taken the Enterprise like 20 or 30 years to get there), any reference to the Enterprise having over a hundred decks (there’s like 26 and they are numbered top to bottom not bottom to top)… and all of the badly placed comedy that fell flat.

I don’t think what’s left would be entirely coherent.

I was only able to mostly get rid of and work around two of the four items on your checklist (eliminating the turboshaft sequence in its entirety eliminates the deck signage that gives the Enterprise at least 78 decks) and most of the ill-judged comedy and keep it coherent, unfortunately.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:33:00am
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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:33:05am

Memories of my youth.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:35:44am

COPD linked to deaths in older adults, and something about marijuana.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:40:19am

Headline at the Sydney Morning Herald:

Trump, agent of chaos, drives first debate into a ditch

It wasn’t wise for Biden to go as far as calling Trump a “clown”, given he is selling himself as a more mature and presidential alternative. But he also needed to show that he wasn’t going to be pushed around.

Given Biden’s strong lead in the polls, it was Trump who most needed to emerge with a thumping debate victory. He didn’t achieve that. This was not a performance that will shift the dynamics of the presidential contest in his favour.

(more at the link)

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Decatur Deb  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:40:36am

re: #196 The Ghost of a Flea

My money’s that they’re very confident that expressionist art and jazz aren’t culture.

The word “mongrel” will appear somewhere in their critique.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:42:24am

When the clown shoe fits….

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:43:37am

these people can’t do anything right

“The health department’s $300 million-plus, taxpayer-funded vehicle to boost confidence in President Trump’s response to the pandemic is sputtering. Celebrities are refusing to participate, and staff are arraying against it. Some complain of the unstated aim of helping Trump’s re-election.”

“Others point to an ill-prepared video team and a 22-year-old political appointee who has repeatedly asserted control despite having no public health expertise.”

politico

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:46:05am

re: #227 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Not watching the debacle, but looking at the stories now being produced about it, from media all over, it appears that “both sides” won.

A CBS News instant poll finds 48% think Joe Biden won tonight’s debate, 41% think Donald Trump won and 10% think it was a tie.

A CNN instant poll finds Biden won, 60% to 28%.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:48:06am

Over at The Guardian:

Donald Trump ensures first presidential debate is national humiliation

Analysis: Only one man looked remotely presidential on the debate stage in Cleveland, Ohio, and it was not the incumbent

Trump plunges debate into chaos as he talks over Biden

David Smith in Washington
@smithinamerica

Wed 30 Sep 2020 03.19 EDT
First published on Wed 30 Sep 2020 01.19 EDT

Photo by Pinguino source flickr.com
Donald Trump at the first presidential debate with Joe Biden in Cleveland, Ohio, on 29 September. Photograph: Brian Snyder/Reuters

Cry, the beloved country. Donald Trump ensured Tuesday’s first US presidential debate was the worst in American history, a national humiliation. The rest of the world - and future historians - will presumably look at it and weep.

More likely than not, according to opinion polls, his opponent Joe Biden will win the November election and bring the republic back from the brink. If Trump is re-elected, however, this dark, horrifying, unwatchable fever dream will surely be the first line of America’s obituary.

Only one man looked remotely presidential on the debate stage in Cleveland, Ohio, and it was not the incumbent. He interrupted, ranted, raged, spewed lies and interrupted some more. Oh, and he passed on an opportunity to condemn white supremacists, instead telling them to “stand back and stand by”.

The debate moderator, Chris Wallace of Fox News, did not cover himself in glory either. He was a like a school supply teacher, hopelessly out of his depth as unruly children run riot. He did not enforce the rules or cut the president’s mic.

Facing this asymmetric bullying, Biden showed self-control and stood his ground. He spoke for tens of millions of Americans when he demanded: “Will you shut up, man?” - the Biden campaign rushed out this slogan on a T-shirt before the debate was even over.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:50:12am

re: #238 Barefoot Grin

When the clown shoe fits….

Where do they find undecided voters? Are they kept in a hermetically-sealed storage bin and trotted out every four years?

I get most people don’t pay much attention to politics until just before an election, but Holy Polling, Batman, how could anybody miss Trump over the last three years and think, “Well, I’m not really sure yet?”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:52:22am
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Decatur Deb  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:54:07am

re: #242 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Where do they find undecided voters? Are they kept in a hermetically-sealed storage bin and trotted out every four years?

I get most people don’t pay much attention to politics until just before an election, but Holy Polling, Batman, how could anybody miss Trump over the last three years and think, “Well, I’m not really sure yet?”

You can always tell undecided voters. Indifferent voters wear mismatched socks, undecideds wear mismatched shoes.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:54:30am

re: #239 dangerman

these people can’t do anything right

politico

I’m glad to see the pushback. The bureaucracy might be the thing that pulls us out of this tailspin, whether it’s postal workers refusing to foul up the mail, or civil servants refusing to be pawns in a political prop.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 30, 2020 • 2:59:09am

Extremely local news:

It was a sad time for me as I drove around the village returning the flags to full-mast at sunset. (I drove because I had a charley horse in my left leg two days ago which left me unable to stand for long or walk far.)

When I rounded to my mailbox, I picked up a package delivered from Wonkette of ceramic shot glasses made with a drawing of Ruth Bader-Ginsberg and the slogan “I dissent” on them. (Rebecca Shoenkopf said she wasn’t originally planning to make any such things, but was overwhelmed with requests from the non-commentariat.)

I lifted a toast to the Notorious RBG when I returned.

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:04:57am
The House adopted a resolution on Tuesday to affirm the chamber’s support for a peaceful transfer of power after President Trump last week declined to commit to it if he loses reelection,” The Hill reports.

“Lawmakers adopted the measure in a bipartisan 397-5 vote, with all of the votes in opposition coming from Republicans.”

no need to guess who the 5 are:

Matt Gaetz (Fla.), Louie Gohmert (Texas), Clay Higgins (La.), Steve King (Iowa) and Thomas Massie (Ky.).

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:09:39am

re: #244 Decatur Deb

You can always tell undecided voters. Indifferent voters wear mismatched socks, undecideds wear mismatched shoes.

I run in mismatched sox and shoes every day i picked it up from my niece

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:12:16am

Omaha city council debated extending the city’s mask mandate.

Masks were optional inside the council chambers because people in attendance are considered to be seeking government services. [Gov. Ricketts’s order prohibiting government entities from requiring masks remains in effect statewide.]

Opponents questioned the seriousness of the virus, the effectiveness of masks, the effect on children and the council’s legal and constitutional authority. They accused the council of hurting the economy and used terms like evil, partial suffocation, propaganda and psychological warfare.

Kelly Jensen, founder of a group called No Mask Omaha, said he represented 3,400 people in Omaha who are sick of the mandate. “I’m furious,” Jensen said.

“I ask you to end this,” he said. “This is getting bad. You’re affecting businesses.”

Covidiots don’t care what the health department notes:

Since the council passed the mandate Aug. 11, public health officials have credited mask usage with helping limit spread of the novel coronavirus. Earlier this month, Douglas County saw its positivity rate on COVID-19 tests drop to 7.3% for one week.

Tuesday, Douglas County Health Director Adi Pour cited positive trends: new cases and the positivity rate were down last week compared to the week that the mandate started, as the number of tests rose.

omaha.com

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:14:34am

re: #92 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I don’t like Van Jones at all but he was talking about how the Proud Boys were gleeful about Trump’s statement. It’s fucking scary that we have a President that has and welcomes the support of a bunch of fascist paramilitary assholes. This is why Trump is uniquely awful. Fuck Reagan, fuck the Bushes, fuck Nixon but you can’t tell me they did this.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:18:13am

Republicans keeping it kkklassy in state races in Nebraska. Both candidates in the Legislative District 1 race are Republicans (I’m not sure how that happened).

LINCOLN — An already fiery legislative race took on more heat Monday as State Sen. Julie Slama of Peru reported to the Nebraska State Patrol that she had been threatened by a man she said was a “surrogate” of her opponent’s campaign.

Slama, who was appointed to the District 1 seat in the Legislature two years ago, reported that Randy Denniston had emailed a string of disparaging and insulting slurs to her early Sunday morning, including saying that her mother should have aborted her.

Denniston, when reached by The World-Herald, said he regretted his remarks and apologized to both Slama and her opponent, Janet Palmtag, whom he is supporting. He said that he did not threaten the senator but that he used language he shouldn’t have.

“I let my emotions and weaknesses get the best of me the other night,” said Denniston, a retired Nebraska City accountant. “I’m just angry about (Slama’s) tactics that started this campaign of negativity.”

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Slama reports slur-filled emails to State Patrol; man apologizes but denies making threats (Omaha World-Herald)

Palmtag was accused of sending out a “race-baiting” mailer earlier in the year linking Sen. Slama to retired Sen. Ernie Chambers.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:22:42am

re: #247 dangerman

no need to guess who the 5 are:

Matt Gaetz (Fla.), Louie Gohmert (Texas), Clay Higgins (La.), Steve King (Iowa) and Thomas Massie (Ky.).

Well, Steve King (R-acist, IA-4) won’t be returning to Congress after he lost his primary to an equally awful racist who is better at keeping his statements to approved dog whistles.

It remains to be seen whether IA-4 can be flipped to Democratic control. JD Scholten is the Democratic challenger. If he wins the race, all four Iowa House seats will be under Democratic representatives.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:29:22am

The UK sees Australia’s refugee programme and raises them. Out of sight, out of mind. Plus in the tradition of conservatism, wildly expensive.

Ascension Island: Priti Patel considered outpost for UK asylum centre location (BBC)

The government has considered building an asylum processing centre on a remote UK territory in the Atlantic Ocean.

The idea of “offshoring” people is being looked at but finding a suitable location would be key, a source said.

Home Secretary Priti Patel asked officials to look at asylum policies which had been successful in other countries, the BBC has been told.

The Financial Times says Ascension Island, more than 4,000 miles (6,000km) from the UK, was a suggested location.

The Foreign Office is understood to have carried out an assessment for Ascension - which included the practicalities of transferring migrants thousands of miles to the island - and decided not to proceed.

However, a Home Office source said ministers were looking at “every option that can stop small boat crossings and fix the asylum system”.

“The UK has a long and proud history of offering refuge to those who need protection. Tens of thousands of people have rebuilt their lives in the UK and we will continue to provide safe and legal routes in the future.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:33:13am

re: #251 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Slama, who was appointed to the District 1 seat in the Legislature two years ago, reported that Randy Denniston had emailed a string of disparaging and insulting slurs to her early Sunday morning, including saying that her mother should have aborted her.

Iunno about you, but that suggests someone was hitting the sauce.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:35:31am

re: #254 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Iunno about you, but that suggests someone was hitting the sauce.

Hmm, I don’t turn into a flamin’ racist when I hit the sauce.

Maybe it’s the air in Nebraska City or something.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:36:34am

re: #255 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Hmm, I don’t turn into a flamin’ racist when I hit the sauce.

Maybe it’s the air in Nebraska City or something.

More along the lines of, the inner racist was unfiltered when this guy was liquored up. Alcohol tends to enhance whatever the imbibers’ current mood is, and if his current mood is permanently set to “asshole”, this would fit.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:37:15am

BBC analysis of the disaster disguised as a presidential debate.

In a debate that was the political equivalent of a food fight, the winner was the man who emerged least covered in slop.

On Tuesday night, that man was Joe Biden - if only because his main goal was to prove to Americans that he could hold up under pressure, that he had not lost a step due to his advancing age. He had to show he could take a pie to the face, metaphorically speaking, and keep his cool.

He mostly met that standard, although it was at least in part because Donald Trump, by his constant hectoring and interruptions, seldom gave the former vice-president a chance to say something truly damaging to his own cause.

Twitter Trump - the unconventional, bombastic, insulting and rumour-mongering aspect of this president - was on full display throughout the hour-and-a-half event. Unfortunately for the president, many Americans, even his own supporters, find his social media persona one of his more unattractive attributes.

Trump needed this debate to shake up a race that is tilting against him - and which has been remarkably stable, through economic, health and social adversity.

Nothing about this free-for-all seems likely to alter the dynamics of this contest or change the minds of the one in 10 American voters who say they are still undecided (although perhaps they’ll resolve never to watch another one of these).

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Presidential debate: Who won the Trump-Biden clash?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:41:30am

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:47:49am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 30, 2020 • 3:59:24am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 30, 2020 • 4:27:50am

I killed the thread.

G’night y’all.

Thread capacity
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 4:30:00am

re: #261 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I killed the thread.

G’night y’all.

Sorry, was just relocating to my work computer to start my day. Rest well.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 30, 2020 • 4:41:59am

re: #262 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Sorry, was just relocating to my work computer to start my day. Rest well.

I was surveying the battlefield, looking for throats to slit and rings to cut from fingers.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:02:05am

Joe Bacon noted his last appearance on Utah Outcasts was quite lively.

A clip from that appearance (caution for coarse language, adult subjects, 22:08)

JK Rowling Now Sells Merch Via TERF Online Store

JK Rowling Now Sells Merch Via TERF Online Store

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:02:21am
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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:02:31am

npr

This was maybe the worst presidential debate in American history.

If this was supposed to be a boxing match, it instead turned into Trump jumping on the ropes, refusing to come down, the referee trying to coax him off and Biden standing in the middle of the ring with his gloves on and a confused look on his face.

Trump doesn’t play by anyone’s rules, even those he’s agreed to beforehand. He’s prided himself on that. But even by his standards, what Trump did Tuesday night crossed many lines.

He’s president. More than 200,000 Americans are dead from the coronavirus pandemic. And instead of a serious debate about the direction of the country, Trump sent it off the rails.

i weep that 40+% of the country think this is a good thing.
the way a president should behave.
and that’s before discussing that there’s no presidential substance behind it, no ‘there’, there.

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b.d. (Dump Coughing Don!)  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:03:23am

Good morning Lizards:

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:13:03am
Ruthie, an undecided voter from Pennsylvania in a Frank Luntz focus group during last night’s presidential debate, described Joe Biden’s challenge as trying to “win an argument with a crackhead,” Politico reports.

is that a step up or a step down from pigeon?

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Florida Panhandler  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:15:24am

re: #266 dangerman

As I’ve said before, Trump voters could care less about specific economic policy, foreign relations, his behavior, his mindless rants or his toddler intellect.

The ONLY thing they care about is his support for white power. If Trump were to proclaim that he supports equal rights for everyone and combat white power his support would plummet to 0% overnight.

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b.d. (Dump Coughing Don!)  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:18:04am

lol, oh man

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:21:08am

re: #269 Florida Panhandler

As I’ve said before, Trump voters could care less about specific economic policy, foreign relations, his behavior, his mindless rants or his toddler intellect.

The ONLY thing they care about is his support for white power. If Trump were to proclaim that he supports equal rights for everyone and combat white power his support would plummet to 0% overnight.

I mean he’s literally the inspiration for Biff Tannen. He’s a bully. It’s just sad that some 40% of the population is either okay with that or indifferent to it that they can’t acknowledge Biden would be better. Biden was right last night. He is the worst president we’ve ever had and it’s because he repeatedly puts his ego and interests before the nation’s.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:24:26am

re: #193 Dread Pirate Ron

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And monkeys could potentially fly out of my ass.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:27:12am

re: #270 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

lol, oh man

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His social media game is on point. I love it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:29:10am

re: #273 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

His social media game is on point. I love it.

Had a good quick ad too of Trump refusing to condemn the Proud Boys.

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jeffreyw  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:34:06am

Good morning!

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lawhawk  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:45:17am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

I couldn’t bring myself to watch the shitshow last night, but others did, and I’ve seen the clips.

This sums it up for me.

Trump is a fucking white nationalist and he refuses to condemn right wing domestic terrorists and white supremacists because he’s one of them. He’s a saboteur whose policies have failed to keep the nation safe and emboldened our enemies. We are worse off for it, and 210,000+ Americans can’t be reached for comment because they’re dead from Trump’s failed covid19 response.

Trump is a shit slinging racist motherfucker, but the usual suspects will go after Biden because he didn’t show Trump respect? Fuck that. Trump disrespects the office daily. He shreds the Constitution and his oath of office while enriching himself on taxpayer dime while millions are out of work and are unable to get jobs because of the pandemic.

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:47:46am

The Biden campaign said they had their “best online fundraising hour of all time” Tuesday night between 10 p.m. and 11 p.m, raising $3.8 million, Fox News reports.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:49:20am

Meanwhile, in the ongoing shitshow known as Brexit…..

Trade will be a “day-to day struggle” after Brexit is completed, MPs have been told, in a bleak forecast from the key aerospace, chemicals and pharmaceuticals industries.

The inquiry heard of massive extra costs, a mountain of red tape, shrinking investment and chemicals “disappearing” from the UK market, from January.

Some medicines may not reach Northern Ireland - if, as feared, extra tests will be required - although it was “very important that patients don’t panic”, it was told.

‘Those facilities [for testing] don’t exist, so it’s not clear how it will happen,” warned Richard Torbett, chief executive of the Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industry.

Neil Hollis, of the chemical giant BASF, highlighted £1bn of new registration costs, a loss of innovation and some chemicals no longer being available, adding: “There’s no positive spin on this.”

independent.co.uk?

Someday (and probably not too far off), historians will conclude that Brexit was the biggest self-inflicted fuckup of the modern era.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:51:16am
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lawhawk  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:51:46am

re: #278 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile, in the ongoing shitshow known as Brexit…..

independent.co.uk?

Someday (and probably not too far off), historians will conclude that Brexit was the biggest self-inflicted fuckup of the modern era.

Trump. And that’s by a yuge margin.

The GOP refused to find someone competent as their nominee. And just enough people in just the right places supported the misogynistic racist know nothing over the competent woman.

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:52:14am

re: #265 Barefoot Grin

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More important, this is central:
Trump did not move the needle.
He had to
No biden voter will switch because of this

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:53:24am

re: #279 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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She should be President right now sigh. Fucking sexism. Fucking racism. Fucking idiots who actually thought that the orange anusface was credible.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:54:22am

re: #281 dangerman

More important, this is central:
Trump did not move the needle.
He had to
No biden voter will switch because of this

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Yep at worst Biden is where he was yesterday morning. He didn’t lose any support last night.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:55:36am

re: #282 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

She should be President right now sigh. Fucking sexism. Fucking racism. Fucking idiots who actually thought that the orange anusface was credible.

Fucking Facebook and fucking Cambridge Analytica with micro targeted bullshit swayed a total of 77,000 people in the right places.

Not disagreeing with what you said but that’s too macro.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:56:43am

re: #280 lawhawk

Trump. And that’s by a yuge margin.

The GOP refused to find someone competent as their nominee. And just enough people in just the right places supported the misogynistic racist know nothing over the competent woman.

I’d say Trump is a very close second. We can get rid of Trump in a little over one month though granted, Trumpism (fascism) will be infecting the GOP for the foreseeable future.

The Brits can’t get rid of Brexit - well, they could re-join the European Union, but honestly I don’t see that happening for about 20 years or so. Maybe a little sooner if things get really bad and the UK ends up in either “failed state” or “developing nation” territory.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:56:45am

re: #284 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

That too.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:57:21am
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lawhawk  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:57:36am

Hot fucking takes…

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:58:14am

re: #280 lawhawk

Trump. And that’s by a yuge margin.

The GOP refused to find someone competent as their nominee. And just enough people in just the right places supported the misogynistic racist know nothing over the competent woman.

I guess the only difference is we had to have an election.
Brexit was conceived created and executed internally, voluntarily and out of thin air.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:58:37am

re: #288 lawhawk

FFS, the Bernie or Bust crowd is hopeless.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 30, 2020 • 5:59:20am

re: #278 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile, in the ongoing shitshow known as Brexit…..

independent.co.uk?

Someday (and probably not too far off), historians will conclude that Brexit was the biggest self-inflicted fuckup of the modern era.

Supply chains are going to break down. The people who voted for Brexit simply do not know how a modern economy functions and the people who supported it are simply cynical bastards who are positioned to profit from it regardless…

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:00:13am

re: #287 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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We sent her $100 last week.
Flip the senate!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:01:14am
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:01:14am

re: #291 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Supply chains are going to break down. The people who voted for Brexit simply do not know how a modern economy functions and the people who supported it are simply cynical bastards who are positioned to profit from it regardless…

You bet…any well-positioned disaster capitalist worth their salt stands to make an absolute fortune from the Brexit debacle.

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:01:38am

re: #288 lawhawk

Hot fucking takes…

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No way
Trump woulda said “socialist” a thousand more times

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:02:48am

re: #295 dangerman

No way
Trump woulda said “socialist” a thousand more times

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Trump - and probably the corporate-controlled media - would’ve successfully portrayed Bernie as nothing less than the second coming of Mao Zedong.

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b.d. (Dump Coughing Don!)  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:03:20am

re: #288 lawhawk

Hot fucking takes…

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LOL,

Suffer BernieBro.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:03:55am

re: #288 lawhawk

Hot fucking takes…

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Bernie is the most overrated politician not named Trump.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:05:14am

re: #297 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

LOL,

Suffer BernieBro.

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Look, you put it on the Internet, bro. The Internet is forever (trademark not quite pending). The fact that you and the other BernieBros are like-minded fuckwits is not my problem, it’s yours. I will, however, relish every opportunity to listen to you whinge.

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:06:28am

re: #296 Dr Lizardo

Trump - and probably the corporate-controlled media - would’ve successfully portrayed Bernie as nothing less than the second coming of Mao Zedong.

I’m so old I can remember when mao had two T’s in his three names

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b.d. (Dump Coughing Don!)  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:06:37am
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b.d. (Dump Coughing Don!)  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:07:56am

re: #300 dangerman

I’m so old I can remember when mao had two T’s in his three names

You mean like when he used to live in Peking?

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:08:13am

re: #300 dangerman

I’m so old I can remember when mao had two T’s in his three names

Same here…growing up, I always saw it transliterated as “Mao Tse-tung”. I can’t remember when that changed, but it wasn’t all that long ago.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:08:16am

re: #290 Dr Lizardo

FFS, the Bernie or Bust crowd is hopeless.

Bernie would have just ranted about billionaires last night. David and the rest of the Bernie bro crowd can kiss my ass. Bernie’s lost twice now because Bernie can’t convince anyone beyond a bunch of cosplay socialists to vote for him.

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:08:32am

re: #297 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

LOL,

Suffer BernieBro.

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You said it
You tweeted it out to be sure
And you hoped you’d be proven right
You didn’t have to
You did it intentionally
You meant it

Accept some personal responsibility

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:09:00am

re: #303 Dr Lizardo

Same here…growing up, I always saw it transliterated as “Mao Tse-tung”. I can’t remember when that changed, but it wasn’t all that long ago.

It was within the last 30 years, by the time I was old enough to know who he was, it was the modern (Anglicized?) spelling.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:09:16am

re: #302 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

You mean like when he used to live in Peking?

Interestingly, “Peking” is how Beijing is still said in the Czech language….it’s never changed.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:09:26am

re: #303 Dr Lizardo

Same here…growing up, I always saw it transliterated as “Mao Tse-tung”. I can’t remember when that changed, but it wasn’t all that long ago.

I remember Bin Laden being Usama too. Mao as you know isn’t his first name. Same thing with Kim Jong Un.

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:09:59am

re: #298 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Bernie is the most overrated politician not named Trump.

Very similarly turned a otherwise lackluster/loser meh career into a bit of fame used to fuel two presidential runs

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:10:14am

re: #302 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

You mean like when he used to live in Peking?

I was actually surprised to learn that Mumbai hasn’t been Bombay in a long time.

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:10:16am

re: #299 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Look, you put it on the Internet, bro. The Internet is forever (trademark not quite pending). The fact that you and the other BernieBros are like-minded fuckwits is not my problem, it’s yours. I will, however, relish every opportunity to listen to you whinge.

Qft and gmta

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A Mom Anon  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:10:29am

re: #96 🌹UOJB!

There’s also the nazi rallies held at MSG and Charles Lindburgh’s nazi background. I had a very good high school education, but even my history classes left that out. I learned about it from an article in a magazine(Life, maybe?I can’t recall it now) sometime in the early 80s after graduation. Hitler apparently got some helpful hints from us at some point.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:10:40am

re: #306 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It was within the last 30 years, by the time I was old enough to know who he was, it was the modern (Anglicized?) spelling.

Sounds about right - prior to the 1990s, I recall it being written in English as Mao Tse-tung.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:11:03am

re: #309 dangerman

Very similarly turned a otherwise lackluster/loser meh career into a bit of fame used to fuel two presidential runs

Ron Paul too. They attract the same type of people too. People who don’t understand politics or reality from their ass.

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:11:32am

re: #301 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

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Moral exhaustion fueld by righteous indignation is quite the cocktail

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:12:48am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:13:39am

re: #296 Dr Lizardo

Trump - and probably the corporate-controlled media - would’ve successfully portrayed Bernie as nothing less than the second coming of Mao Zedong.

And it would have been 90 minutes of back and forth screaming.

Yeah, that would have been a good look.

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:13:49am

re: #302 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

You mean like when he used to live in Peking?

I don’t know where beijing actually is but the ducks still come from Peking

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:14:30am

re: #308 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I remember Bin Laden being Usama too. Mao as you know isn’t his first name. Same thing with Kim Jong Un.

Oddly, we don’t do the same with Japanese names. For instance, the renowned animator Miyazaki Hayao is invariably written (in English) as “Hayao Miyazaki”. Weird.

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:14:34am

re: #304 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Bernie would have just ranted about billionaires last night. David and the rest of the Bernie bro crowd can kiss my ass. Bernie’s lost twice now because Bernie can’t convince anyone beyond a bunch of cosplay socialists to vote for him.

+1

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:14:36am

re: #317 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

And it would have been 90 minutes of back and forth screaming.

Yeah, that would have been a good look.

TRUMP: SOCIALISTS LIKE YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!
BERNIE: NO, BILLIONAIRES* LIKE YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!
AUDIENCE: [afk, drinking heavily]

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:14:58am

re: #301 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

Why is there any assumption that any Republican has any morals?

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:18:46am

This was the Trump campaign’s FIRST email to contributors after the debate, an upfront admission that their guy lost:

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:19:26am

re: #323 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

This was the Trump campaign’s FIRST email to contributors after the debate, an upfront admission that their guy lost:

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Based on the email that went out before the debate, it looks like somebody got the two templates mixed up. Once again, kids, this is why we don’t test in production.

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:21:51am

re: #324 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Based on the email that went out before the debate, it looks like somebody got the two templates mixed up. Once again, kids, this is why we don’t test in production.

Just saw that episode of madame secretary

400 incoming russian icbms and no one says “wait, really?”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:22:16am

Lre: #319 Dr Lizardo

Oddly, we don’t do the same with Japanese names. For instance, the renowned animator Miyazaki Hayao is invariably written (in English) as “Hayao Miyazaki”. Weird.

That’s odd given I imagine Mandarin and Korean come from the same language family but then again not all Slavic languages do the -ova suffix.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:23:43am

re: #325 dangerman

Just saw that episode of madame secretary

400 incoming russian icbms and no one says “wait, really?”

Here’s the thing: Every young novice programmer has one incident. One. That’s usually all it takes (if it takes more than that, they’re not programmers for much longer - word gets around). However, a political campaign run on behalf of the President of the Goddamn United States should not be hiring young novice programmers for its communication management system.

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:24:15am

I am totally out of quelle surprises

President Trump claimed during last night’s debate that he secured the endorsement of the “Portland sheriff” — presumably a reference to Multnomah County Sheriff Mike Reese, the Oregonian reports.

However, Reese tweeted that was false: “In tonight’s presidential debate the President said the ‘Portland Sheriff’ supports him. As the Multnomah County Sheriff I have never supported Donald Trump and will never support him.”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:25:13am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:25:31am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:26:40am

re: #326 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

L

That’s odd given I imagine Mandarin and Korean come from the same language family but then again not all Slavic languages do the -ova suffix.

Courney Loveova

Heather Novaova

Karl Rove’s latest wife kept her surname of Johnson or she would be Karen Roveova

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garzooma  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:26:46am

re: #257 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

BBC analysis of the disaster disguised as a presidential debate.

“[Biden] mostly met that standard, although it was at least in part because Donald Trump, by his constant hectoring and interruptions, seldom gave the former vice-president a chance to say something truly damaging to his own cause.”

Peak Trump

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:27:28am

Trump is all medium, he has no message beyond hate and fear and braggadocio.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:27:38am

re: #331 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Courney Loveova

Heather Novaova

Karl Rove’s latest wife kept her surname of Johnson or she would be Karen Roveova

Whoopi Goldbergová.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:29:39am

re: #316 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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When we adopted our son from China, we were flying back and he had a respiratory infection, so he wailed through most of a 12 hour flight, then an 8 hour layover in Detroit because we missed our connection.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:31:39am

re: #334 Dr Lizardo

Whoopi Goldbergová.

Shady Groveová

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mmmirele  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:32:39am

re: #247 dangerman

no need to guess who the 5 are:

Matt Gaetz (Fla.), Louie Gohmert (Texas), Clay Higgins (La.), Steve King (Iowa) and Thomas Massie (Ky.).

That’s actually a list? I would have thought my congresscritter, Andy Biggs (R-AZ) would be on the list. Maybe he didn’t vote.

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:34:26am

re: #327 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Here’s the thing: Every young novice programmer has one incident. One. That’s usually all it takes (if it takes more than that, they’re not programmers for much longer - word gets around). However, a political campaign run on behalf of the President of the Goddamn United States should not be hiring young novice programmers for its communication management system.

See my post up thread about the Hhs $300m ad campaign thats failing for the same reasons

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:36:03am

re: #338 dangerman

See my post up thread about the Hhs $300m ad campaign thats failing for the same reasons

Yep, I saw that. Bunch of scrubs. Whoever they’re hiring - probably lowest bidder - is not very good.

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plansbandc  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:39:23am

re: #322 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Right? There’s no moral exhaustion when you don’t have any morals.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:42:53am

re: #335 NO SMOCKING GUN!

When we adopted our son from China, we were flying back and he had a respiratory infection, so he wailed through most of a 12 hour flight, then an 8 hour layover in Detroit because we missed our connection.

Like I said, you feel bad for a crying baby. They’re in pain and uncomfortable. You can’t forgive this orange asshole.

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:44:55am
Karen Tumulty: “The nightmare that played out Tuesday evening on a debate stage in Cleveland served at least one useful purpose. It encapsulated, in a single 98-minute span, the entire presidency of Donald J. Trump.”

“All of the impulses that drive Trump were unleashed: The lying. The rage. The bluster. The incoherence.”

“It is hard to imagine that anyone but the most obdurate of partisans could have watched the spectacle and thought, Gee, wouldn’t it be great to have four more years of this?”

Wapo

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lawhawk  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:45:05am
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sagehen  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:47:07am

re: #276 lawhawk

Trump is a fucking white nationalist and he refuses to condemn right wing domestic terrorists and white supremacists because he’s one of them. He’s a saboteur whose policies have failed to keep the nation safe and emboldened our enemies. We are worse off for it, and 210,000+ Americans can’t be reached for comment because they’re dead from Trump’s failed covid19 response.

Trump is a shit slinging racist motherfucker, but the usual suspects will go after Biden because he didn’t show Trump respect? Fuck that. Trump disrespects the office daily. He shreds the Constitution and his oath of office while enriching himself on taxpayer dime while millions are out of work and are unable to get jobs because of the pandemic.

Yeah, sure, but Obama wore a tan suit, and put mustard on a hamburger.

So both sides.

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:48:33am
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mmmirele  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:48:51am

re: #319 Dr Lizardo

Oddly, we don’t do the same with Japanese names. For instance, the renowned animator Miyazaki Hayao is invariably written (in English) as “Hayao Miyazaki”. Weird.

That is an English convention done with all Japanese names. So for example, the former prime minister, who is Abe Shinzo in Japanese, is Shinzo Abe in English.

Along the same lines, one thing I’ve learned about Japanese is the relative rarity of calling someone “you” directly. Japanese textbooks push “anata” (you) on students, but I’ve learned from watching videos by native Japanese speakers and reading articles that “anata” should be avoided. Instead of saying “anata”, when addressing you, I would say, “Dr Lizardo-san”.

Another thing. “O genki desu” does mean “how are you doing?” but it’s a rare thing, and not used anywhere near as frequently as “how are you doing?” in English.

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Belafon  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:50:22am

re: #319 Dr Lizardo

Oddly, we don’t do the same with Japanese names. For instance, the renowned animator Miyazaki Hayao is invariably written (in English) as “Hayao Miyazaki”. Weird.

A lot of Japanese people who deal with westerners will flip their names for us.

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:54:48am

You know his is exactly what the Republicans, as a whole, will be saying one minute after Biden’s swearing in. The virus, the economy, the foreign relationships: all Biden’s fault.
Hell they may start early in the transition…why hasn’t he fixed x yet…

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:56:05am
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:56:52am

re: #348 dangerman

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You know his is exactly what the Republicans, as a whole, will be saying one minute after Biden’s swearing in. The virus, the economy, the foreign relationships: all Biden’s fault.
Hell they may start early in the transition…why hasn’t he fixed x yet…

They’ve already started - wasn’t somebody (Trump himself, maybe?) asking why Biden didn’t do more about enforcing masks?

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:57:35am

re: #346 mmmirele

I learned “O genki desu ka?” (literally, “are you healthy?”). Thought it a rather interesting greeting.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 30, 2020 • 6:58:59am

re: #350 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

They’ve already started - wasn’t somebody (Trump himself, maybe?) asking why Biden didn’t do more about enforcing masks?

And before you know it, it’ll be GOP gospel that Biden was POTUS from 2016-2020.

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 7:00:20am

re: #347 Belafon

A lot of Japanese people who deal with westerners will flip their names for us.

Back in the 60s and 70s many I worked with adopted or were given Americanized first names. Sato might be Sam. And then to muck it up worse we’d call him Sato-san sometimes and Sam-san other times. They called my dad Bob-san.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2020 • 7:00:43am

17% of Americans are fucking insane.

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lawhawk  Sep 30, 2020 • 7:01:32am

re: #352 Dr Lizardo

And before you know it, it’ll be GOP gospel that Biden was POTUS from 2016-2020.

Obama was president during Katrina, don’t you know… he’s a fucking Time Lord who travels through space and time and is the reason why the economy sucks now and for all time. /half

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 30, 2020 • 7:02:13am

re: #191 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Culture editor for The Federalist? I wasn’t aware they knew what culture was.

Oh the fascists at the FederaliSSt know what KKKulture is…

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 30, 2020 • 7:03:46am

re: #355 lawhawk

Obama was president during Katrina, don’t you know… he’s a fucking Time Lord who travels through space and time and is the reason why the economy sucks now and for all time. /half

Plot twist - the White House is a TARDIS!

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 7:03:59am

re: #355 lawhawk

Obama was president during Katrina, don’t you know… he’s a fucking Time Lord who travels through space and time and is the reason why the economy sucks now and for all time. /half

Well he did plant that birth certificate and newspaper announcement

At least that’s what I’ve heard people say…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 30, 2020 • 7:05:23am

re: #354 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

17% of Americans are fucking insane.

Some people are just born contrarians, trollish or simply cantankerous.

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BigPapa  Sep 30, 2020 • 7:08:01am
Neither is perfect but one represents the continuation of our Republic while the other outright promises socialism. When you understand that the choice is simple.

White person from Kansas.

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 7:17:24am

re: #360 BigPapa

Neither is perfect but one represents the continuation of our Republic while the other outright promises socialism. When you understand that the choice is simple.

White person from Kansas.

so trump outright promises socialism?

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 7:17:41am

re: #359 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Some people are just born contrarians, trollish or simply cantankerous.

no we’re not

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garzooma  Sep 30, 2020 • 7:18:10am

re: #343 lawhawk

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The Globe and Mail
@globeandmail
Heavy fighting between Armenian, Azerbaijani forces continues for fourth day

The Daily Beast reports that Turkey has hired ISIS rapists to attack Armenians:

Turkey Sends ISIS Warlord to Azerbaijan to Face Off Against Putin’s Armenian Allies
Former ISIS fighters have been dispatched to fight in a European showdown between Turkish and Russian proxies.
[…]
The Hamza and Sultan Murad brigades are known within Syrian rebel circles as factions that enjoy especially close relations with Turkey, the last remaining patron of the Syrian opposition. Sayf Balud, commander of the Hamza brigades, however, is also known for his checkered past, in particular, as a former commander within the radical jihadist group ISIS.
[…]

As an ISIS commander, Balud would have been in charge of implementing the ISIS “rape handbook”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 30, 2020 • 7:19:55am

re: #361 dangerman

so trump outright promises socialism?

corporate socialism

problem with corporate socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s lives…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 30, 2020 • 7:22:15am

re: #362 dangerman

no we’re not

I came here for an argument!

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Belafon  Sep 30, 2020 • 7:24:32am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 7:25:37am

re: #366 Belafon

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Was one of them Mar Al Lago?

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Florida Panhandler  Sep 30, 2020 • 7:28:38am

re: #301 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

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The only “morality” they have is an overall agenda promoting specifically white male Evangelical Christians (about 20% of the US population) into positions of power over everyone else.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 7:34:34am

Heh. I learned something interesting today. Minnesota absentee ballots are held in jail until 2 weeks before the election.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 30, 2020 • 7:35:32am

re: #369 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Access Denied
You don’t have permission to access “kare11.com” on this server.
Reference #18.c62a3517.1601476513.281cf260

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 7:37:58am

re: #370 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Access Denied
You don’t have permission to access “kare11.com” on this server.
Reference #18.c62a3517.1601476513.281cf260

Huh. The link was copy-and-pasted straight out of my browser. I click it and it loads.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 30, 2020 • 7:39:08am

re: #371 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Huh. The link was copy-and-pasted straight out of my browser. I click it and it loads.

not here. does it have to do with me being from other countries?

Youtube Video

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 7:41:01am

re: #372 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

not here. does it have to do with me being from other countries?

That’s probably true, though it seems weird that my local news site wouldn’t allow that. Gist of the article is that our mail-in ballots go to be verified, by two separate election judges, then the approved ones are loaded into a ballot box and locked up in jail until it’s time to start scanning them.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 30, 2020 • 7:41:01am

re: #346 mmmirele

There are actually multiple countries/cultures where (traditionally at least) the family name/surname (what we usually call a last name) comes first and the given name (what we usually call a first name) comes last.

This is sometimes used with fictional cultures too. For example, the Bajorans on Star Trek use this kind of naming custom.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 30, 2020 • 7:51:48am

re: #288 lawhawk

Hot fucking takes…

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 30, 2020 • 7:51:55am

Meade is an idiot. Trump doesn’t attack his base.

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BigPapa  Sep 30, 2020 • 7:54:23am

What is the thing in Trump’s head? Is it a cochlear implant?

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Broad With Sass  Sep 30, 2020 • 7:59:01am
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🌹UOJB!  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:05:22am

This is what Joe had to deal with last night!

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Belafon  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:05:26am

re: #376 Patricia Kayden

Meade is an idiot. Trump doesn’t attack his base.

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Kilmeade is thinking about his audience. Most white people don’t want to know they’re being racist. Having it thrown in their face like that by Trump is not a good thing for Trump. He could have winked and nodded to get around it, but didn’t.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:06:03am

Judging by my FB timeline, it’s clear at this point that anyone that says “both sides are bad” are just Donnie cultists who are afraid to admit their allegiance.

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:06:18am

Whew! This could have cost all aboard their lives. Spoiler-Everyone is okay.

Listen To Intense Air Traffic Control Audio Of KC-130J’s Collision With An F-35B

“LA Center LA Center, RAIDER 50 declaring an emergency, midair collision with VOLT 93. We have two engines out, we’re leaking fuel, and likely on fire, and in emergency descent at this time. RAIDER 50.”

thedrive.com

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:07:09am

Former RNC chair and Montana governor spurns his party to endorse Joe Biden

helenair.com

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b.d. (Dump Coughing Don!)  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:07:14am

re: #378 Broad With Sass

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GAME CHANGING!!!!

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:07:27am

re: #365 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I came here for an argument!

exactly

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:08:02am

re: #366 Belafon

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sorry, no
totally believable
just a bit ‘unexpected’

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dangerman  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:08:53am

re: #372 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

not here. does it have to do with me being from other countries?

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maybe
how many other countries are you from? ;-)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:11:04am

Lre: #380 Belafon

Kilmeade is thinking about his audience. Most white people don’t want to know they’re being racist. Having it thrown in their face like that by Trump is not a good thing for Trump. He could have winked and nodded to get around it, but didn’t.

The problem and I say this as a white person is we act like racism has to be its worst excesses I.e. the Klan or Nazis. And it’s exactly why we get so defensive about race and racism discussions. Until we acknowledge that racism is more than a Klan hood or swastika, hacks like Kilmeade will continue to spread their bs to their audience.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:11:18am

Just the same shit over and over and over. It’s like racist Groundhog Day.

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:12:59am

Proposed rule for the next debate- Only one mans microphone on live air at a time. And just record the rest for the cacophony track or later review. Let the moderator have a kill switch. And a stronger personality, and wit. Something like that.

Not that anyone should care, but I’m not sitting still for a show like that again. I don’t even know a single undecided voter. My election time is probably better spent taking in the information on the local and state ballot issues to vote those well.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:13:44am

re: #389 Eclectic Cyborg

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Just the same shit over and over and over. It’s like racist Groundhog Day.

It’s going to be great seeing him miserable on Twitter after January 20 when he’s fearing justice finally coming for him and his rotten family.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:15:37am

For the Chinese transliteration system, in the 19th c. missionaries came up with the old one where Zedong is written Tsetung. I think their first point of contact was in the Guangzhou area where Cantonese is prevalent, but they may have heard things differently. At any rate, that’s how we get “The Tao of Pooh” even though “Tao” is and was pronounced Dao. And if you wanted to get a word pronounced tao, you had to write it as t’ao. So the communist party had its linguists come up with a new system called Pinyin that has been in use since the 1950s, I think. The old system is still in use in Taiwan for what should be obvious reasons.

eta: the old system is called Wade-Giles

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:17:05am

So I asked my “born again” relative what she thought about Gawd’s Anointed King…and she replied with Frank Luntz’s talking points smearing Hunter Biden…

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Dr. Matt  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:18:24am

re: #390 Rightwingconspirator

Proposed rule for the next debate- Only one mans microphone on live air at a time. And just record the rest for the cacophony track or later review. Let the moderator have a kill switch. And a stronger personality, and wit. Something like that.
.

Add a trap door under their feet leading to a pit of alligators that opens when someone starts interrupting.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:18:54am

Sorry to natter, but if you Google you can find lots of Wade-Giles to pinyin conversion charts.

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BigPapa  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:20:30am

re: #388 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

L

The problem and I say this as a white person is we act like racism has to be its worst excesses I.e. the Klan or Nazis. And it’s exactly why we get so defensive about race and racism discussions. Until we acknowledge that racism is more than a Klan hood or swastika, hacks like Kilmeade will continue to spread their bs to their audience.

This is exactly the giant glacier of racial reconciliation. I see racism as 50 shades: white nationalists and murderous KKK are only a few shades. The ‘soft’ racism of indifference or ignorance is much less horrible on a granular level but much more oppressive on the macro scale. I refer all to King”s Letters From a Birmingham Jail and his lamentations of the white moderate.

I see this all the time. I suspect many white folks inherently know this and to acknowledge racism is to admit to being in those shades of indifrerence and ignorance for so long.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:20:43am

re: #390 Rightwingconspirator

Proposed rule for the next debate- Only one mans microphone on live air at a time. And just record the rest for the cacophony track or later review. Let the moderator have a kill switch. And a stronger personality, and wit. Something like that.

Not that anyone should care, but I’m not sitting still for a show like that again. I don’t even know a single undecided voter. My election time is probably better spent taking in the information on the local and state ballot issues to vote those well.

Better rule—If Trump interrupts again, start the music!

The Benny Hill Show Theme Tune

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A Mom Anon  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:21:08am

re: #393 🌹UOJB!

Even Frank Luntz was a bit “taken aback” by Trump’s behavior. You and I both know those family members are lost by choice. Hating liberals trumps (literally) all else. Even policy and programs that would benefit them personally.

I totally understand the frustration and anger. I have no family or real life, in person friends anymore because of this fucking garbage. Sometimes that anger gets the better of me, but I’ll be damned if I will let the bastards win. Fuck that.

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:21:34am
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Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:21:43am

About the only question remaining from last night’s debate is whether it will be Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson who first interviews Gavin McInnes or other members of the Proud Boys in an attempt to foster normalization (and support) for the modern equivalent of the Sturmabteilung.

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:21:55am
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BigPapa  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:29:12am
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lawhawk  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:30:10am
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:30:28am
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:31:01am

re: #403 lawhawk

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SEE? SEE?!?! WE ALL TOLD YOU OBAMA WAS A SOOPER SEKRIT MUSLIM!!!!1!111one

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lawhawk  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:33:12am

re: #357 Dr Lizardo

Plot twist - the White House is a TARDIS!

It explains the endless tweets by Trump that inform what he is doing at this very minute… there’s a tweet for everything Trump does.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:43:19am

re: #275 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

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Acemarilllion  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:44:24am

I hope whomever was tasked with transcribing the debate was tipped a hundo.

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(((Archangel1)))  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:51:33am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:52:03am

Solar percent of possible was at 100% at 8am here, which means not a single cloud, no haze, nothing to shelter us from the blazing sun. Temps are expected to top 100F around here.

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lawhawk  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:53:04am

Meanwhile, Trumpworld is trying to build as many miles of wall on the border as possible - damaging critical and sensitive habitats, all while inflating the risks posed by not doing a border wall.

The reality is that border crossings are a small portion of the broken immigration system. Trump’s refusing to deal with the big issue - the slow pace of naturalization and visa overstays. You need more actual immigration judges to do that, and for all of his efforts, he’s done nothing to make the system more efficient. He’s just going for the cruelty and pain on those seeking to come to the nation.

Oh, and immigrants pay more taxes to the US than Trump.
Undocumented workers pay more taxes to the US than Trump.

Trump’s the deadbeat and criminal. He’s the slacker out on the golf course profiting from every round of golf he plays while he continued employing undocumented workers at his businesses even as President.

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BeachDem  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:54:41am

My other, often overlooked, moron senator—really taking a strong stance!

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stpaulbear  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:54:59am

re: #283 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yep at worst Biden is where he was yesterday morning. He didn’t lose any support last night.

He seems to have picked up the “I know a crackhead when I see one” independent vote.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:55:00am

If you’re feeling down, here’s David Lynch to cheer you up.

David Lynch’s Weather Report 9/30/20

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lawhawk  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:56:51am

Reminder: After this election that concludes in November, there will be a single person of color in the GOP caucus in Congress (House and Senate). About 5% of the GOP caucus will be women. That’s not a bug. That’s a feature of the misogynistic and white nationalist GOP from the base on up to Trump.

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Jay C  Sep 30, 2020 • 8:59:04am

Apropos of little, I’m going to go out on limb here (admittedly, not a very long one), and fearlessly predict that Trump will indeed show up for the second Presidential debate - AND: that it very well may NOT be as much of an utter shitshow as the first - or at least attempts will be made to frantically spin it as such.
Reasons:
1. If, as I have read, the next debate will be focused on foreign policy, it will be a last desperate opportunity for the Orange Anus to reverse his awful polling numbers. Foreign policy (broadly defined) is the sole area where Trump’s approval ratings aren’t (or only minimally) underwater, for him to forego the chance to at least TRY to boost his popularity is, IMO, basically ceding the election*. Which he ain’t gonna do.

2. A foreign-policy debate will give the Asshole-in-Chief a chance to structure his rants on a framework of Righteous America vs. Evil Foreigners (except for Israel, of course: they get a permanent Righteousness Pass) - and try to tar Joe Biden and the Democrats for “standing up for Those Evil Foreigners” with every policy difference**.

3. Disgustingly, this will likely play right into the “mainstream” media narrative: they want to have their “horserace”, and the debate schedule with it’s carefully crafted winner/loser shtick is perfect. Barring another meltdown (always possible though), they are probably already drafting the headlines of “Trump roars back with spirited foreign-policy takedown of Dems”, so as to set up the “rubber match” of a third debate. Which, BTW, I am NOT sure will occur.

Although things are looking up, we’re still a long way from “done”.

* For Trump, meaning seriously looking into ways to nullify the result.

** IOW “Israel Good, Iran Bad; China Bad, Europe Bad Rip-off Socialists, NATO Rip-Off, Israel Good, No Open Borders, Greatest Peace Plan in History, China Paying Tariffs - and did I mention Israel?”

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stpaulbear  Sep 30, 2020 • 9:04:30am

re: #323 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

This was the Trump campaign’s FIRST email to contributors after the debate, an upfront admission that their guy lost:

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I still wish that Joe would have pulled a couple of urine sample cups out of his pocket, looked at Trump, and smiled about 10 minutes before the debate ended.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 30, 2020 • 9:05:47am

re: #415 lawhawk

That was no dog whistle. He’s using a foghorn on the highest setting.

I think we can call it an air raid siren by now.

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Belafon  Sep 30, 2020 • 9:06:33am

re: #416 Jay C

This all might be easy if Trump were running against someone with no foreign policy experience. But Biden has dealt with a lot of foriegn policy during his career, including working with foreign leaders.

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Jay C  Sep 30, 2020 • 9:16:12am

re: #419 Belafon

This all might be easy if Trump were running against someone with no foreign policy experience. But Biden has dealt with a lot of foreign policy during his career, including working with foreign leaders.

All quite true, but also - in a foreign-policy-focused debate - utterly irrelevant. Trump’s usual FP routine is heavily reliant on loud, blaring, spread-eagle jingoism founded on a simple-minded “Us vs. Them” narrative, with Extra Added Israel to keep the Jump-For-Jesus crowd engaged. Of course Biden has extensive FP experience: Trump will likely use that (or, more accurately, be persuaded to use that) as one of the main points of attack. Since his experience was as VP under the Disloyal Kenyan Muslim Sellout Incompetent…. (extra drinking shot if “Benghazi” mentioned)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 30, 2020 • 9:16:20am

Biden did not use the term (Oxbrain comma) LAW AND ORDER (Oh eM Gee)

Because to Trump that means the police are immune from the law when enforcing order.

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Belafon  Sep 30, 2020 • 9:18:52am

re: #420 Jay C

All quite true, but also - in a foreign-policy-focused debate - utterly irrelevant. Trump’s usual FP routine is heavily reliant on loud, blaring, spread-eagle jingoism founded on a simple-minded “Us vs. Them” narrative, with Extra Added Israel to keep the Jump-For-Jesus crowd engaged. Of course Biden has extensive FP experience: Trump will likely use that (or, more accurately, be persuaded to use that) as one of the main points of attack. Since his experience was as VP under the Disloyal Kenyan Muslim Sellout Incompetent…. (extra drinking shot if “Benghazi” mentioned)

“Us vs. Them” is also his domestic policy agenda, and last night was the result of that.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 30, 2020 • 9:20:08am
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Belafon  Sep 30, 2020 • 9:20:11am
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 9:20:49am

re: #423 The Pie Overlord!

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How about we give both option A and option B a miss and go straight to option C, a Taser.

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A Mom Anon  Sep 30, 2020 • 9:23:01am

re: #423 The Pie Overlord!

Isnt CSPAN the next debate host? I wonder if they will actually use a debate format instead of a free range clusterfuck like last night. It had to be a republican who designed that mess.

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Teukka  Sep 30, 2020 • 9:23:18am

Did this one get posted?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 30, 2020 • 9:23:36am

re: #425 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

How about we give both option A and option B a miss and go straight to option C, a Taser.

I like the way you think.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 9:23:38am

re: #427 Teukka

Did this one get posted?

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At least once, but it never gets old.

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stpaulbear  Sep 30, 2020 • 9:27:00am

re: #402 BigPapa

I’m starting to think that the only reason that the WaPo keeps Hewitt on staff is so that readers can be reminded about how out of touch Trump toadies are. It’s basically point and laugh (and the occasional appeasement).

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 30, 2020 • 9:29:10am

re: #412 BeachDem

My other, often overlooked, moron senator—really taking a strong stance!

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Did anyone expect Spineless Scott to not wimp out when it comes to Captain Combover?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 9:31:13am

re: #430 stpaulbear

I’m starting to think that the only reason that the WaPo keeps Hewitt on staff is so that readers can be reminded about how out of touch Trump toadies are. It’s basically point and laugh (and the occasional appeasement).

As bad as his takes are, Marc Theissen manages to be even worse. I never thought I’d miss seeing Bob Novak’s byline.

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stpaulbear  Sep 30, 2020 • 9:38:49am

re: #432 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

As bad as his takes are, Marc Theissen manages to be even worse. I never thought I’d miss seeing Bob Novak’s byline.

Yes, you’re right. Theissen is worse. I went back to check and it was Theissen’s piece this morning titled “Biden cleared the low bar Trump set for him. But Trump still won.” that I was thinking of when I made my post. It was so jarring compared to every other story/opinion about the debate.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 30, 2020 • 9:43:06am

The final Presidential debate is moderated by a woman. It will be interesting to see how she tries to corral Trump.

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BigPapa  Sep 30, 2020 • 9:46:04am

Debates need to have debators in sound booths with mic ducking controls controlled by the moderator. It’s come to this. Enough of these shit shows. Trump is a gad damned abuser and tyrant when he’s not being a petulant little shit.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2020 • 9:46:08am

re: #434 Eclectic Cyborg

The final Presidential debate is moderated by a woman. It will be interesting to see how she tries to corral Trump.

More interesting, how he’ll respond and how many more women will turn in him for that response.

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Citizen K  Sep 30, 2020 • 9:47:44am

The dude’s entire thread is…something. It’s both talking down and fetishizing the ‘common clay’ as the ‘real Americans’ and the same regurgitated bullshit that essentially boils down to Deifying the Asshole, this idea that the ruder and more hateful you are, the more genuine you somehow are.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2020 • 9:48:43am
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🌹UOJB!  Sep 30, 2020 • 9:52:42am

Folks, just wait till the next debate when Captain Combover goes full QAnon and announces that he really is leading the White Hats in a battle against The Deep State as he liberates the Mole Children from the clutches of Evil Tom Hanks and Evil Demonic Priestess Oprah.

Oh and he’ll also say that he’s outlawing the use of Adrenochrome…and JFK Jr. will be appearing at his next campaign rally where he will announce that he’s going to arrest Hillary and Obama…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 30, 2020 • 9:54:29am

re: #439 🌹UOJB!

Oh and he’ll also say that he’s outlawing the use of Adrenochrome…and JFK Jr. will be appearing at his next campaign rally where he will announce that he’s going to arrest Hillary and Obama…

What the hell is wrong with you? Every QAnon follower knows that Hillary and Obama are already under arrest and have been replaced by zombie clone androids.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 30, 2020 • 9:56:24am

re: #440 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What the hell is wrong with you? Every QAnon follower knows that Hillary and Obama are already under arrest and have been replaced by zombie clone androids.

Little Richard: The Girl Can’t Help It

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sagehen  Sep 30, 2020 • 9:59:17am

re: #437 Citizen K

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The dude’s entire thread is…something. It’s both talking down and fetishizing the ‘common clay’ as the ‘real Americans’ and the same regurgitated bullshit that essentially boils down to Deifying the Asshole, this idea that the ruder and more hateful you are, the more genuine you somehow are.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 30, 2020 • 9:59:21am

Llre: #437 Citizen K

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The dude’s entire thread is…something. It’s both talking down and fetishizing the ‘common clay’ as the ‘real Americans’ and the same regurgitated bullshit that essentially boils down to Deifying the Asshole, this idea that the ruder and more hateful you are, the more genuine you somehow are.

So many of these people who think they understand the working class have no clue what they’re talking about. My grandparents wouldn’t scorn anyone for having a state university education. They’d want the best for their children and grandchildren education wise.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:01:16am

re: #443 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Ll

So many of these people who think they understand the working class have no clue what they’re talking about. My grandparents wouldn’t scorn anyone for having a state university education. They’d want the best for their children and grandchildren education wise.

It is not about working class vs educated class, it is about boorish asshole class vs decent human being class.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:02:11am

re: #437 Citizen K

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The dude’s entire thread is…something. It’s both talking down and fetishizing the ‘common clay’ as the ‘real Americans’ and the same regurgitated bullshit that essentially boils down to Deifying the Asshole, this idea that the ruder and more hateful you are, the more genuine you somehow are.

Barkan was getting so pounded that he deleted the entire thread.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:03:24am

re: #445 The Pie Overlord!

Barkan was getting so pounded that he deleted the entire thread.

These right-wing snowflakes are unusually sensitive today.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:04:22am

October is going to be one hell of a ride.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:04:42am

re: #442 sagehen

Dude deleted the tweet. So brave.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:05:45am

re: #447 Eclectic Cyborg

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October is going to be one hell of a ride.

He’s not even going to Minneapolis. He’s going to Duluth. Because he knows that more people in Duluth like him than they do here, because we all remember what a giant dickwad he is. Dr. Jill Biden, however, is coming to Minneapolis this weekend.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:09:41am

Rasmussen released a new poll showing Biden is +8 nationally. RASMUSSEN. And that poll was conducted before last night’s shit show.

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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:10:56am

Wonder how many other people are going to be making this same calculation in the next few weeks …

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:11:46am

re: #450 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Rasmussen released a new poll showing Biden is +8 nationally. RASMUSSEN. And that poll was conducted before last night’s shit show.

Trump desperately needs to take a Bite out of Biden in these debates.

I don’t think he is willing or even able to put in the sort of homework necessary to do so.

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sagehen  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:11:59am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:12:41am

re: #452 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump desperately needs to take a Bite out of Biden in these debates.

I don’t think he is willing or even able to put in the sort of homework necessary to do so.

He doesn’t have the control or composure to do so.

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A Mom Anon  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:13:11am

re: #443 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

They also look down their noses at skilled trades and trade schools. We have a pretty big trade school near us, and high school “counselors” do not steer kids towards those. I live in a fairly affluent area and anything short of 4 yr degree schools are sneered at. When kids are referred to those programs and schools, it’s the poor student or “hopeless cases” that are steered toward tech/trade schools. This is part of why we have a shortage of skilled tradespeople in this country. I get parents wanting their kids to do better than they did, but a good plumber or electrician can make a very good salary for a job that is always in demand. We need to grow up as a country, big time.

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Belafon  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:15:04am

re: #451 Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)

Wonder how many other people are going to be making this same calculation in the next few weeks …

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What’s happening in the video?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:15:24am

re: #454 Eclectic Cyborg

He doesn’t have the control or composure to do so.

It means sitting down and working through statements on policy, planning and personnel and that is something he has not done to date and is not about to start doing. He is working on other ways not to lose.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:16:10am

re: #456 Belafon

What’s happening in the video?

Comparing how Trump and Bidens respective wives approached them after last nights debate. Warm hug for Joe and Jill, awkward hand holding for Trump and Melania.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:16:14am

re: #456 Belafon

What’s happening in the video?

Biden gets a warm hug from his wife Jill while Melania just stands stiffly at Trump’s side.

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Citizen K  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:16:24am

re: #445 The Pie Overlord!

Barkan was getting so pounded that he deleted the entire thread.

re: #448 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Dude deleted the tweet. So brave.

And yet, lord, he’s doubling down:

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Interesting Times  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:16:24am

I did not know this (though given what we see now, I shouldn’t be surprised):

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:19:32am

re: #455 A Mom Anon

a good plumber or electrician can make a very good salary for a job that is always in demand.

Damn skippy. And it’s not just in the US - plumbers and electricians are in high demand and short supply here in Czech Republic as well. I can do a lot of electrical and plumbing repairs around the house, but there are things I’d call a professional for.

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stpaulbear  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:21:18am

re: #459 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Biden gets a warm hug from his wife Jill while Melania just stands stiffly at Trump’s side.

Jill hugs Joe as if he’d just emerged uninjured from a plane crash. It’s a pretty major hug.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:24:03am

re: #446 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

These right-wing snowflakes are unusually sensitive today.

Isn’t he a left-wing snowflake?

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sagehen  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:24:19am

re: #455 A Mom Anon

They also look down their noses at skilled trades and trade schools. We have a pretty big trade school near us, and high school “counselors” do not steer kids towards those. I live in a fairly affluent area and anything short of 4 yr degree schools are sneered at. When kids are referred to those programs and schools, it’s the poor student or “hopeless cases” that are steered toward tech/trade schools. This is part of why we have a shortage of skilled tradespeople in this country. I get parents wanting their kids to do better than they did, but a good plumber or electrician can make a very good salary for a job that is always in demand. We need to grow up as a country, big time.

The society which scorns excellence in plumbing as a humble activity and tolerates shoddiness in philosophy because it is an exalted activity will have neither good plumbing nor good philosophy: neither its pipes nor its theories will hold water.

—John W. Gardner

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Jay C  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:24:29am

re: #437 Citizen K

[Embedded content]

The dude’s entire thread is…something. It’s both talking down and fetishizing the ‘common clay’ as the ‘real Americans’ and the same regurgitated bullshit that essentially boils down to Deifying the Asshole, this idea that the ruder and more hateful you are, the more genuine you somehow are.

And is Barkan SO wrong in this estimation?
Maybe this is not an overriding attitude is ALL of the “working class”, but it does exist, it exists in a non-trivial percentage of the “blue-collar” demographic, and as a factor in national politics, dates back at least to Andrew Jackson’s time.
As long as the rudeness and hatefulness conforms to the “proper” prejudices, there will only occasionally be downsides to expressing it in political discourses. Exhibit A: President Donald Trump….

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:24:48am

re: #461 Interesting Times

I did not know this (though given what we see now, I shouldn’t be surprised):

[Embedded content]

Grandma had to deal with that as family members ignored her…until it was too late…

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sagehen  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:27:34am

re: #467 🌹UOJB!

Grandma had to deal with that as family members ignored her…until it was too late…

Also the “God will protect us” yeshiva students and faculty.

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John Hughes  Sep 30, 2020 • 10:41:02am

re: #424 Belafon

Can’t have a guillotine without tricoteuses

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 30, 2020 • 11:22:38am

re: #300 dangerman

I’m so old I can remember when mao had two T’s in his three names

Me, too. When my brother came home with three kittens, I wanted to name one Mao Tse Tsung. I wanted to name the other two Chiang Kai Shek and Richard Milhous Nixon. I got outvoted, so I just called them by the names I wanted.

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steve_davis  Sep 30, 2020 • 12:00:50pm

re: #85 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Oh I know I can despise him more because I still don’t know how much he fucked us over for his pal Vlad. I know it sounds almost jingoistic but I do want some revenge against Putin and the Russian government. I want Putin to live in fear of the Russian institutions collapsing and him being dragged out by the balls by his own people for the shit he’s done to our country.

denzel washington existing a dacha, with dead bodyguards all around, might be a start.

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steve_davis  Sep 30, 2020 • 1:51:33pm

re: #156 teleskiguy

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interestingly, one of these times was not Tuesday’s debate.


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