Obama Administration Notices Iran’s Manhattan Project

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Another Obama campaign talking point (“Bush is just fearmongering!”) bites the dust, as his administration faces reality: U.S. now sees Iran as pursuing nuclear bomb.

Reporting from Washington — Little more than a year after U.S. spy agencies concluded that Iran had halted work on a nuclear weapon, the Obama administration has made it clear that it believes there is no question that Tehran is seeking the bomb.

In his news conference this week, President Obama went so far as to describe Iran’s “development of a nuclear weapon” before correcting himself to refer to its “pursuit” of weapons capability.

Obama’s nominee to serve as CIA director, Leon E. Panetta, left little doubt about his view last week when he testified on Capitol Hill. “From all the information I’ve seen,” Panetta said, “I think there is no question that they are seeking that capability.”

And there’s almost no chance that Obama is going to stop them.

Also see
Soccer Dad: A high degree of confidence Hot Air: Just a reminder: Obama doesn’t believe the sham NIE on Iran either Israel Matzav: But is it too late? Mere Rhetoric: US Spy Agencies: Actually, It Turns Out That Iran Is Developing Nukes (UPDATE: Obama On The NIE: ‘Bush Continues To Not Let Facts Get In The Way Of His Ideology’)

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1 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:26:08am
2 Shug  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:26:41am

Zero is Fiddling while the Earth Burns

3 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:26:45am

Well golly Sgt. Carter!

4 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:27:27am

re: #3 Dustyvet

Well golly Sgt. Carter!

Shazam!

5 Desert Dog  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:28:04am

Wow, I always thought Iran was just developing peaceful nuclear technology for domestic power production only. I had no idea they wanted to build a bomb out all that uranium. I am shocked! This news is coming out of the blue. Who could have guess this!?

/

6 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:28:23am

So, since Barry’s finally admitted the truth of the matter, albeit in his own weaselly way, what does he propose to do about it? More talking, perhaps?

The real question is how this can be blamed on W or the israelis, or both?

7 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:28:48am

He’ll talk with them, stand down our military capabilities, reduce and/or halt weapons tech development, but not do what is right and necessary for US national security - and that’s to stand up to the mad mullahs in Iran and tell them in no uncertain terms that they will not be permitted to develop nuclear weapons.

8 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:28:55am

If Obama back-pedals on a campaign promise, or takes a hypocritical position, it can only be a good thing.

9 Shug  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:29:10am

Can’t he just impose cap and trade on them?

/

10 Elcid  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:29:14am

Who or whom outside of The Great One and his followers, didn’t get that?

11 faraway  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:29:15am

Warmongers

12 Kragar  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:29:22am

Listen closely, you can hear the moonbats heads exploding as Obama turns out to be just like George Bush!

DAMN YOU KARL ROVE!

///

13 Big Steve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:29:26am

Obama has become the Shamwow guy!

14 OtherBrotherDarrell  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:29:27am

Ron Paul! !eleventy! …… wait, what year is this? nevermind…

15 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:29:29am

re: #2 Shug

Zero is Fiddling while the Earth Burns

Come on, he stopped the ocean levels rising. He healed Ms Hughes, her improvident man-child, and the McDonald’s guy. He’s a busy guy, but I’m sure it’s on his to-do list.

16 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:29:55am

re: #7 lawhawk

He’ll talk with them, stand down our military capabilities, reduce and/or halt weapons tech development, but not do what is right and necessary for US national security - and that’s to stand up to the mad mullahs in Iran and tell them in no uncertain terms that they will not be permitted to develop nuclear weapons.

Hey, he won!
/

17 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:30:00am

re: #10 Elcid

Who or whom outside of The Great One and his followers, didn’t get that?

The US intelligence agencies.

18 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:30:03am

re: #13 Big Steve

Obama has become the Shamwow guy!

While wearing a snuggie.

19 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:30:07am

And now the question of the hour: What does Obama propose to do about it. Diplomacy is fine, as long that diplomacy is backed by credible force. Any carrot without sticks will be worse than useless.

20 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:30:12am

re: #6 Guanxi88

So, since Barry’s finally admitted the truth of the matter, albeit in his own weaselly way, what does he propose to do about it? More talking, perhaps?

The real question is how this can be blamed on W or the israelis, or both?

Garlic Head does not need to do a damn thing. The MSFM is already on it.

21 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:30:44am

Does anyone know the difference between the message that says something like “this lizzard does not seem to be in our directory” and “this user has been blocked” when clicking on the football/avatar for a deleted post?

22 HippieforLife  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:30:51am

The O is now making sure that our country will be too broke to even fight back against Iran.

I fear what will happen to the defense budget once the D’s get to work on that!

Oh, I am sure that President Bush has received a formal apology. /

23 RoughRider  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:31:15am

The solution is encouraging Iran to only pursue nuclear power for peaceful purposes.

And if that doesn’t work, we will encourage them a second time…. perhaps using an outrageous French accent.

24 Viking6  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:31:47am

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well I wouldn’t say that necessarily. He isn’t a George Bush, no spine no moral courage and doesn’t recognize evil when it is presented to him. He will backdown and allow the Iranians to control the Middle East.

25 VegasRick  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:31:55am

re: #23 RoughRider

The solution is encouraging Iran to only pursue nuclear power for peaceful purposes.

And if that doesn’t work, we will encourage them a second time…. perhaps using an outrageous French accent.

With a stutter.

26 Desert Dog  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:32:00am

Perhaps we should offer Iran a stimulus package and then they will like us?

27 Racer X  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:32:08am

Iran working to get a bomb = Obama will hold peaceful discussions with them.

Israel elects a right wing government = Obama has “serious concerns.”

28 Shug  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:32:17am

I should have worried when the stimulus bill included 1 billion for white flags

29 Kragar  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:32:46am

re: #24 Viking6

Well I wouldn’t say that necessarily. He isn’t a George Bush, no spine no moral courage and doesn’t recognize evil when it is presented to him. He will backdown and allow the Iranians to control the Middle East.

I was in Moonbat mode. The Code Pinkers and Appeasment loons will go nuts over this.

30 Elcid  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:33:11am

re: #17 Creeping Eruption

The US intelligence agencies.

Oh yea, forgot the ‘Bring Down Bush’ bunch.

31 mj  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:33:31am

Neither Obama nor George Bush is or was prepared to do anything about Iran’s nuclear weapons except talk a tough game.
Israel will have act on it’s own- and the US can condemn it in the UN just like Reagan did when they took out Iraq’s nuclear weapons facility.

32 Desert Dog  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:33:36am

re: #23 RoughRider

The solution is encouraging Iran to only pursue nuclear power for peaceful purposes.

And if that doesn’t work, we will encourage them a second time…. perhaps using an outrageous French accent.

I don’t think we have to go as far as talking to them in an outrageous French accent, that is a bit harsh. However, I think a strongly worded letter from the UN is in order. THAT will teach them a lesson, fer sure.

33 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:33:43am

re: #30 Elcid

Oh yea, forgot the ‘Bring Down Bush’ bunch.

Not sure which bunch, but I was surprised when they came out with that NIE last year.

34 Viking6  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:33:44am

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sorry, you are right. They will go BATS over this. Is Code Pink still alive?

35 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:33:55am

re: #28 Shug

I should have worried when the stimulus bill included 1 billion for white flags

I wonder when the simians that occupy Congress & the White House are going to figure out that neither the Market nor the People are very happy about the whole stimulus thingy.

36 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:34:16am

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I was in Moonbat mode. The Code Pinkers and Appeasment loons will go nuts over this.

Good. I love the smell of exploded moonbat brains in the morning. Smells like victory.

37 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:35:12am
38 itellu3times  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:35:17am

I’m not sure that Dubya’s administration was all so clear on this issue, they always talked about it in the hypothetical.

But, so, now what.

39 Shug  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:35:40am

re: #35 unreconstructed rebel

I wonder when the simians that occupy Congress & the White House are going to figure out that neither the Market nor the People are very happy about the whole stimulus thingy.


I hope they find out the hard way in 2 and 4 years, respectively

40 Viking6  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:36:01am

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

Brains, I must have Brains…

/channeling zombie (not ours)

41 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:36:13am

Hope & Change collides with Reality.

42 opnion  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:36:30am

Is there a funding provision in the Obama Stimulus Bill, to fund the Iranian Nuclear Project?
Clearly it creates jobs. Pehaps we should build some Mosques as well.

43 Desert Dog  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:36:39am

re: #41 jcm

Hope & Change collides with Reality.

kinda like a bug hitting the windshield…SPLAT

44 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:37:02am

Obama = “Peace in our time”.

45 Arashi  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:37:03am

File this statement under ND for “NO DUH.” Sheesh.

46 Power Armored Lizardoid  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:37:19am

No frakkin’ Shiite, dumbass!

47 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:37:28am

re: #27 Racer X

Iran working to get a bomb = Obama will hold peaceful discussions with them.

Israel elects a right wing government = Obama has “serious concerns.”

It’s because he knows he can’t get anything done with Iran without pissing off his domestic and international constituencies, whereas Israel, with a leftist, dovish government, can be pushed to make the sort of suicidal gestures required to make Barry look like the guy who “fixed” the Mideast.

Likud, while not exactly what I’d like to see, would at least put up a bit of a struggle.

48 VegasRick  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:37:43am

re: #34 Viking6

Sorry, you are right. They will go BATS over this. Is Code Pink still alive?

They’re not dead, they just smell like that.

49 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:37:54am

re: #42 opnion

Is there a funding provision in the Obama Stimulus Bill, to fund the Iranian Nuclear Project?
Clearly it creates jobs. Pehaps we should build some Mosques as well.

Wouldn’t surprise me in the least. Who knows what all is in that bill. Certainly not any that voted for it.

50 mj  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:38:19am

If Congress wants to investigate anything, they should investigate the failure of the NIE.

51 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:38:20am

And there’s almost no chance that Obama is going to stop them.

“Almost” has nothing to do with it?

52 Viking6  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:38:38am

re: #48 VegasRick

lol - how are u this fine vegas morning?

53 aggieann  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:38:59am

re: #4 Dustyvet

Shazam!

Even better: “A decoy? Shazam!”

54 VegasRick  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:38:59am

re: #52 Viking6

lol - how are u this fine vegas morning?

Great!

55 VegasRick  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:39:14am

re: #54 VegasRick

Great!

And you?

56 lurking faith  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:39:20am

re: #6 Guanxi88

So, since Barry’s finally admitted the truth of the matter, albeit in his own weaselly way, what does he propose to do about it? More talking, perhaps?

He plans to look stern and concerned.

/What, you wanted more?

57 SFGoth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:39:59am

Question: was Obama really that naive during the campaign or did he know all along that the world is a dangerous place?

58 Viking6  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:40:05am

re: #55 VegasRick

pretty good. Just sitting at the desk watching the planes come into McCarren

59 opnion  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:40:08am

re: #49 unreconstructed rebel

Wouldn’t surprise me in the least. Who knows what all is in that bill. Certainly not any that voted for it.

Seriously, the Republicans should walk out. Wait, the MSM would trash them as unpatrotic. Alright, someone should bitch slap Specter.

60 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:40:38am

re: #56 lurking faith

He plans to look stern and concerned.

/What, you wanted more?

Sneak a few more Kools, maybe?

61 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:40:54am

McCaffrey Update on National Security

•US-Russia relations will grow more hostile –Prime Minister Putin has re-established authoritarian control of the state and its mechanisms.
•The crisis in Iraq will stabilize and US forces will largely withdraw in the coming 36 months. (35,000 US killed and wounded —$687 billion total).
•The next five years in Afghanistan will be complex. The political and economic situation may improve with massive new US resources. ($184 billion expended). Our Allies will not step up to the military challenge. The country is in misery.
•North Korea will come apart. We must facilitate a soft landing for this dangerous regional nuclear power.
•The situation in Pakistan is unstable. Our position in Afghanistan would be untenable without Pakistani support. Democracy is at peril.
•Iran will go nuclear and create instability in the Persian Gulf. The Sunni Arabs will create a nuclear-military coalition.
•Mexico in desperate need of serious US political and economic support to confront violent criminal drug cartels. US must act in deference to Mexican sovereignty.
•The death of Castro —meltdown of repression –250,000 refugees within 36 months.
•Confrontation with Chavez —instability and oil. We have no US Latin-America regional strategy.
•Terrorists will strike at America during the next Administration’s first term.


Obama’s to-do list. Will he whine how he inherited all these problems, too?

62 Racer X  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:41:08am

Rove you magnificent bastard!

Rahm you magnificent asshole!

63 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:41:17am

Maybe Obama will issue a “strongly worded” letter to Iran?

64 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:41:17am

re: #57 SFGoth

Question: was Obama really that naive during the campaign or did he know all along that the world is a dangerous place?

Howsabout both? The world’s a dangerous place, but he, and he alone, can fix it.

65 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:41:28am

re: #59 opnion

Seriously, the Republicans should walk out. Wait, the MSM would trash them as unpatrotic. Alright, someone should bitch slap Specter.

Can they just walk out? Not appear for the vote? I’m asking because I don’t know how that works.

66 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:41:28am

re: #57 SFGoth

Question: was Obama really that naive during the campaign or did he know all along that the world is a dangerous place?

That question could, and should, be asked of ALL ( except Lieberman ) the Democratic and European traitorous commie bastards!

67 opinionated  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:41:28am

As much as I would like to pile on Obama, this was obvious all along.

It was obvious to Bush/Rice.

History will condemn Bush for allowing Iran’s program to proceed this far- and at the very least for preventing Israel from acting.

68 Desert Dog  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:41:37am

re: #62 Racer X

Rove you magnificent bastard!

Rahm you magnificent asshole!

69 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:42:04am

re: #65 Walter L. Newton

Can they just walk out? Not appear for the vote? I’m asking because I don’t know how that works.

Isn’t that Obama did for the last 2 years?

70 gonecamping  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:42:10am

re: #57 SFGoth

Question: was Obama really that naive during the campaign or did he know all along that the world is a dangerous place?

He knew it and lied in his lust for power.

71 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:42:12am

re: #57 SFGoth

Question: was Obama really that naive during the campaign or did he know all along that the world is a dangerous place?

My opinion, he isn’t that naive and much of what he said (and is still saying for that matter) was just to appease the far left.

72 dhg4  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:42:26am

re: #27 Racer X

Iran working to get a bomb = Obama will hold peaceful discussions with them.

Israel elects a right wing government = Obama has “serious concerns.”

This, of course, applies to the MSM and many other liberal constituencies!

73 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:42:35am

re: #57 SFGoth

Question: was Obama really that naive during the campaign or did he know all along that the world is a dangerous place?


Answer: He said all the right things to get him elected.

74 redc1c4  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:43:02am

FLASH!

no, that wasn’t Iran testing their nuke (not yet anyway)

that was simply Juggy and his morons being hit by the blindingly obvious.

he’s so clueless it’s amazing that his body can remember to breathe……..

75 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:43:17am

There’s no more dangerous entity in the world than the current Iranian regime

76 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:43:19am

re: #27 Racer X

Iran working to get a bomb = Obama will hold peaceful discussions with them.

Israel elects a right wing government = Obama has “serious concerns.”

Dam that’s good. I’m gonna steal that when your not looking.

77 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:43:33am

re: #59 opnion

Seriously, the Republicans should walk out. Wait, the MSM would trash them as unpatrotic. Alright, someone should bitch slap Specter.

Hard to believe that Specter once stood up for Clarence Thomas, ain’t it?

78 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:43:33am

re: #69 Nevergiveup

Isn’t that Obama did for the last 2 years?

I don’t know that’s why I asked. Can the republicans, in mass, actually not appear for the vote.

That, in my mind, would make a large statement. Voting “no” on something they know is going to pass makes no real statement.

79 VegasRick  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:43:56am

re: #58 Viking6

pretty good. Just sitting at the desk watching the planes come into McCarren

Yesterday’s Southwest scare is really troubling considering the crash in NY.

80 opnion  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:44:00am

Many Obama backers thought that the world would just have a smile & a Coke, when he got elected.
The world would lose it’s hostility & we would all dwell in a groovy, super commune.
This would be funny, if it wasn’t so serious.

81 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:44:13am

re: #7 lawhawk

this is Carter’s 2nd term (and last term hopefully)

82 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:44:24am

re: #73 Creeping Eruption

Answer: He said all the right things to get him elected.

Yeah, what he said. Perfect.

83 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:44:34am

re: #65 Walter L. Newton

Can they just walk out? Not appear for the vote? I’m asking because I don’t know how that works.

Just as long as they do not try “Present”.

84 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:44:46am

re: #73 Creeping Eruption

Answer: He said all the right things to get him elected.

Yep, I think this one nailed it.

85 johnnyreb  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:44:47am

If Israel doesn’t do something itself, they are doomed.

86 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:44:51am

re: #75 winston06

There’s no more dangerous entity in the world than the current Iranian regime

/actually, Obama is doing more damage to our way of life

87 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:45:01am

re: #78 Walter L. Newton

I don’t know that’s why I asked. Can the republicans, in mass, actually not appear for the vote.

That, in my mind, would make a large statement. Voting “no” on something they know is going to pass makes no real statement.

I assume then their votes would not count and the bill would pass “something” to 0. I think that would make a great statement.

88 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:45:07am

re: #80 opnion

check this out

thespiritofman.blogspot.com

89 lurking faith  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:45:10am

re: #35 unreconstructed rebel

I wonder when the simians that occupy Congress & the White House are going to figure out that neither the Market nor the People are very happy about the whole stimulus thingy.


They don’t give a flying fig for the market, and they have nothing but contempt for the people.

90 redc1c4  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:45:11am

re: #63 Jetpilot1101

Maybe Obama will issue a “strongly worded” letter to Iran?

“uh…uh….uh…” isn’t exactly strongly worded…….. %-)

91 Viking6  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:45:17am

re: #65 Walter L. Newton

I believe that they can but I am not sure that it would make a difference on the voting as it only requires a simple majority to conduct business.

A quorum is the minimum attendance—half the members plus one—necessary for either the Senate or House to conduct business. If a quorum is not present, no business can be transacted.

92 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:45:30am

re: #86 Killian Bundy

That I can not argue against. u r right ;-)

93 Desert Dog  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:45:30am

re: #88 winston06

check this out

[Link: thespiritofman.blogspot.com…]

They got it on the wrong end

94 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:45:35am
95 AuntAcid  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:45:59am

re: #1 buzzsawmonkey

Iran’s “Manhattan Project” is levelling Manhattan.

…by taking a bite out of the “Big Apple”.

96 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:46:05am

re: #85 johnnyreb

If Israel doesn’t do something itself, they are doomed.

And, sad to say, if they do, they’re right where they are today, which isn’t a great place to be. Catch-22 and then some - act, and you can possibly delay a nuclear iran for a few more years, but you’ll whip your genocidal neighbors and their fanatical people into a kill-frenzy; don’t act, and you’re certain to get nuked.

97 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:46:05am

re: #81 winston06

this is Carter’s 2nd term (and last term hopefully)

Problem is there is no Ronald Reagan on the horizon to save us. I sure do miss him.

98 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:46:07am

re: #57 SFGoth

Question: was Obama really that naive during the campaign or did he know all along that the world is a dangerous place?

I think he knew it. Which is not to say he doesn’t believe in his ability to charm away the bad guys’ evil intentions by being nice to them.

99 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:46:21am

re: #93 Desert Dog

hehe… they were being polite?

100 Viking6  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:46:33am

re: #79 VegasRick

Yes it was. Second for SouthWest in what a week or so. Terrible what happened in NY.

101 vagabond trader  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:46:35am

OT, too delicious though. Seems the libral weenies at 96.9 in Boston are waking from their Obama hangover.They have been whining about his dishonesty since 11am. These two were stone cold believers, now the disillusion sets in.

Bwhahahahahahahaha!

102 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:46:37am

re: #97 soxfan4life

tell me about it :-s

103 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:46:49am

re: #96 Guanxi88

And, sad to say, if they do, they’re right where they are today, which isn’t a great place to be. Catch-22 and then some - act, and you can possibly delay a nuclear iran for a few more years, but you’ll whip your genocidal neighbors and their fanatical people into a kill-frenzy; don’t act, and you’re certain to get nuked.

Hell of a choice ha? But it’s always been that way.

104 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:47:49am

re: #103 Nevergiveup

Hell of a choice ha? But it’s always been that way.

If my family had emigrated, as they had talked about doing, I’d be stuck in the middle of that mess. Unfathomable.

105 jcbunga  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:48:27am

OT, but Rush just called The One a liar.

He quoted the inaugural address regarding wise spending, unprecedented transparency, etc.

Let the foaming begin.

106 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:48:40am

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Listen closely, you can hear the moonbats heads exploding as Obama turns out to be just like George Bush!

DAMN YOU KARL ROVE!

///

Yeah but Obama is so much more ejukated and sofistikated than that Bush…………
- Typical libtard faux-intellectual
/

107 dhg4  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:48:55am

re: #6 Guanxi88

So, since Barry’s finally admitted the truth of the matter, albeit in his own weaselly way, what does he propose to do about it? More talking, perhaps?

The real question is how this can be blamed on W or the israelis, or both?

Well, yes, from the LA Times article that Charles linked to:

“When you’re talking about negotiations in Iran, it is dangerous to appear weak or naive,” said Joseph Cirincione, a nuclear weapons expert and president of the Ploughshares Fund, an anti-proliferation organization based in Washington.

Cirincione said the unequivocal language also worked to Obama’s political advantage. “It guards against criticism from the right that the administration is underestimating Iran,” he said.

By revealing this now it makes him appear prepared and it helps guard against criticism from the right so he’ll be able to talk to the Iranians much more effectively … to some end or the other.

108 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:48:55am

re: #6 Guanxi88

So, since Barry’s finally admitted the truth of the matter, albeit in his own weaselly way, what does he propose to do about it? More talking, perhaps?

The real question is how this can be blamed on W or the israelis, or both?

Well, Bush and the Israelis could have stopped the Iranian project years ago, but didn’t.
And SecDef Gates blocked Israel from attacking last summer.
And then there is the f’ing UN which did nothing (but that is normal for them)

109 jemima  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:49:05am

re: #57 SFGoth

Question: was Obama really that naive during the campaign or did he know all along that the world is a dangerous place?

He’s not the naive. The point is to create or use, as Emanuel said, a crisis to have the public screaming for the government to do something. We will turn over more of our money and more of our liberties until it all resides in the State. This is the point. Don’t get yourselves confused that this is a normal presidency. This is a coup. This is intended to change our government. And it’s preceding happily apace.

110 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:49:06am

re: #97 soxfan4life

Problem is there is no Ronald Reagan on the horizon to save us. I sure do miss him.

There is no Ronald Reagan on the horizon that we can see. I wouldn’t underestimate the will of a tough conservative that we don’t even know about yet to become the standard bearer of the new republican party; the party of fiscal conservatism, limited government, low taxes etc. Oh and if I could make a suggestion, could this new party leave the four g’s (God, guns, gays, and (g)evolution) out of the platform?

111 Killer Tomato  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:49:12am

re: #101 vagabond trader

I always turn off the radio after Graham - I can’t stand their voices.

112 redc1c4  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:49:24am

re: #96 Guanxi88

And, sad to say, if they do, they’re right where they are today, which isn’t a great place to be. Catch-22 and then some - act, and you can possibly delay a nuclear iran for a few more years, but you’ll whip your genocidal neighbors and their fanatical people into a kill-frenzy; don’t act, and you’re certain to get nuked.

or they could announce that they do have nukes, and that any such attack on Israel will result in utter devastation to whomever was involved in any way with the attacks……

113 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:49:33am

This whole circus would almost be funny if it weren’t real.

114 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:49:33am

re: #101 vagabond trader

OT, too delicious though. Seems the libral weenies at 96.9 in Boston are waking from their Obama hangover.They have been whining about his dishonesty since 11am. These two were stone cold believers, now the disillusion sets in.

Bwhahahahahahahaha!

Doesn’t Jim Braude just bug the hell out of you.

115 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:49:47am

re: #7 lawhawk

He’ll talk with them, stand down our military capabilities, reduce and/or halt weapons tech development, but not do what is right and necessary for US national security - and that’s to stand up to the mad mullahs in Iran and tell them in no uncertain terms that they will not be permitted to develop nuclear weapons.

Maybe he’ll ask the Iranians to stop their nuclear program if we disarm.
/I wouldn’t put it past him.

116 mj  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:49:55am

On a related note:

Commerce Department Waives Syria Sanctions
Claudia Rosett, 02.12.09, 12:00 AM EST
Is an olive branch to Damascus really in U.S. interests?

“…But let’s spare a moment for Iran’s terror-sponsoring neighbor and sidekick, Syria—where already the Obama administration is not only extending a hand, but has just waived sanctions to allow aircraft servicing…”

forbes.com

117 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:50:02am

re: #104 Guanxi88

If my family had emigrated, as they had talked about doing, I’d be stuck in the middle of that mess. Unfathomable.

I have family there.

118 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:50:10am

re: #75 winston06

There’s no more dangerous entity in the world than the current Iranian regime

An Administration that could do something but won’t?

119 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:50:11am

news.bbc.co.uk

Israel air strike hits Gaza Strip

120 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:50:37am

It’s been 23 days since Obama took office and we have not been hit by a terrorist attack in the US. See, he’s doing his job.
/SARCASM

121 vagabond trader  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:50:45am

re: #114 soxfan4life

I detest them also, but almost ran off the road when they started criticizing their deity.

122 wiffersnapper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:50:54am

I hope those people that didn’t hold their nose and vote for mccain are enjoying themselves

123 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:51:08am

re: #50 mj

If Congress wants to investigate anything, they should investigate the failure of the NIE.

The 2007 NIE was widely misquoted and widely unread. What the report actually said was that the US intelligence community has a high degree of confidence that from 2003 to 2006 Iran suspended the warhead development phase of their nuclear weapons program. During that period the Iranians continued to work on the other two phases: uranium enrichment & ballistic missile development. After 2006, the confidence level in that assessment dropped to moderate.

In other words, the NIE never said Iran stopped their nuclear weapons program, only that they slowed down one part of it while the concentrated on the other parts.

124 Racer X  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:51:24am

re: #113 Fat Jolly Penguin

This whole circus would almost be funny if it weren’t real.

Wait, this is all REAL?

125 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:51:37am

re: #22 HippieforLife

The O is now making sure that our country will be too broke to even fight back against Iran.

I fear what will happen to the defense budget once the D’s get to work on that!

Oh, I am sure that President Bush has received a formal apology. /

There will be plenty of jobs cleaning up NYC and rebuilding it.
/I hope we stop them first

126 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:51:49am

re: #78 Walter L. Newton

I don’t know that’s why I asked. Can the republicans, in mass, actually not appear for the vote.

That, in my mind, would make a large statement. Voting “no” on something they know is going to pass makes no real statement.

….. unless they’re able to peel off Snow and Collins. If that were somehow possible a filibuster could be supported with Kennedy unable to attend and vote.

127 summergurl  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:51:58am

re: #77 unreconstructed rebel

Hard to believe that Specter once stood up for Clarence Thomas, ain’t it?


If the price is right he’ll do anything apparently.

128 Viking6  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:51:59am

Oh crap I just realized it is FRIDAY the 13th…shutting down now and crawling back into bed with the covers over my head.

129 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:52:25am

re: #118 jcm

I feel like there’s no government in place in Wash DC. Seems like a vaccum or some sort of horrible chaos to me and thats why there won’t be any action against the Mullahs of Iran. This know-nothing Marxist professor who is now the POTUS can not speak without a teleprompter. Expecting him to stop the sneaky Iranian regime is too much to ask of him. He needs to work on his speaking skills first

130 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:52:30am

re: #121 vagabond trader

I detest them also, but almost ran off the road when they started criticizing their deity.


How about Graham talking about getting arrested this morning. Unbelievable isn’t it.

131 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:52:57am

re: #122 wiffersnapper

I hope those people that didn’t hold their nose and vote for mccain are enjoying themselves

No, I am not enjoying myself. And I voted for McCain, and if he was elected, I can bet you I still would not be enjoying myself.

132 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:53:20am

European “free speech” debate: Geert and MPACUK agree……
MPACUK - Sky News - 12th Feb 2009

Youtube Video

The MPAK chick starts off by rightly pointing out that Geert isn’t a free speech advocate, he’s proposing book banning. She then continues to point out that Mien Kampf is hate speech and rightfully illegal. This is the same reasoning Geert uses to justify the banning of the Quran. The only difference between the two sides in this debate is that they each want to utilize hate speech laws to advance their own agenda and silence their opponents. This pretty clearly demonstrates why banning something as universally repulsive as Mien Kampf only leads to Goodwin’s Law as the litmus test for free speech.

133 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:53:21am

re: #128 Viking6

Oh crap I just realized it is FRIDAY the 13th…shutting down now and crawling back into bed with the covers over my head.

Thanks for reminding me. For the past hour, there has been a Crow circling and swooping outside my office window. Should I be worried?

134 lurking faith  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:53:34am

re: #57 SFGoth

Question: was Obama really that naive during the campaign or did he know all along that the world is a dangerous place?

He knew all along.

I do think he’s dumb enough to think that his cushy American life will continue, regardless of how many explosive charges he plants at our country’s foundations. He has the true adolescent L3 mindset.

135 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:53:46am

re: #131 Walter L. Newton

No, I am not enjoying myself. And I voted for McCain, and if he was elected, I can bet you I still would not be enjoying myself.


Pretty much was a lose-lose scenario.

136 vagabond trader  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:54:03am

re: #130 soxfan4life

Gee, wonder if it had anything to do with his criticism of Coupe Deval Patrick. Naaaaah, that wouldn’t happen, would it? /

137 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:54:08am

Ok, lunch break over. Back to work. Prosper, y’all.

138 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:54:28am

re: #63 Jetpilot1101

Maybe Obama will issue a “strongly worded” letter to Iran?

Dear President Ahmadinejad,

You had me at Death to Amerika!

BFF,
Barry “Hussein” O

139 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:54:39am

re: #105 jcbunga

OT, but Rush just called The One a liar.

He quoted the inaugural address regarding wise spending, unprecedented transparency, etc.

Let the foaming begin.


So, what else is new? Obama has always been a liar. Good on Rush for saying it.

140 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:54:47am

re: #136 vagabond trader

Gee, wonder if it had anything to do with his criticism of Coupe Deval Patrick. Naaaaah, that wouldn’t happen, would it? /


Surely not. Not here in the People’s Republic.

141 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:54:55am

re: #138 Kenneth

LOLz

142 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:55:08am

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

Liar in chief

143 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:55:28am

re: #109 jemima

He’s not the naive. The point is to create or use, as Emanuel said, a crisis to have the public screaming for the government to do something. We will turn over more of our money and more of our liberties until it all resides in the State. This is the point. Don’t get yourselves confused that this is a normal presidency. This is a coup. This is intended to change our government. And it’s preceding happily apace.

And, I hate to say it, a major terrorist attack would play right into this.
Not that I think even 0bama wants one. Catching the terrorists before the attack could have enough of an effect. Maybe he’s hoping if he lets Iran nuke Israel, or makes nice to Pukistan, they’ll let him know enough to stop an attack on the US.

144 brookly red  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:55:37am

re: #133 Creeping Eruption

Thanks for reminding me. For the past hour, there has been a Crow circling and swooping outside my office window. Should I be worried?

What floor are you on?

145 ThinkRight  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:55:52am

And there’s almost no100% chance that Obama is going to stop help them.
fixed
/hope it is sarc

146 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:56:27am

re: #138 Kenneth

Youtube Video

147 mj  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:56:30am

re: #123 Kenneth

The 2007 NIE was widely misquoted and widely unread. What the report actually said was that the US intelligence community has a high degree of confidence that from 2003 to 2006 Iran suspended the warhead development phase of their nuclear weapons program. During that period the Iranians continued to work on the other two phases: uranium enrichment & ballistic missile development. After 2006, the confidence level in that assessment dropped to moderate.

In other words, the NIE never said Iran stopped their nuclear weapons program, only that they slowed down one part of it while the concentrated on the other parts.

I read the NIE Report. It was designed to kill off any action the Bush Administration was thinking of taking while allowing itself the luxury of claiming it didn’t really do what it was designed to do.

globalsecurity.org

148 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:56:50am

re: #146 Dustyvet

A classic! LOL!

149 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:56:57am

I just noticed that Barry Hussein O is even using the freaking teleprompter to extend condolences to the victims of the Buffalo plane crash. I’d say we should place an embargo/ban on importing of all types of teleprompters. ;-)

150 jcbunga  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:57:39am

Time for a quote fest to re-establish perspective:

“With confidence in our armed forces, with the unbounding determination of our people, we will gain the inevitable triumph. So help us God.”—FDR

“Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.”—JFK

“Keep your tires inflated…heh.”
—The One

151 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:57:42am

re: #149 winston06

every time Hussein O is on tv, I just try to tune out or change the channel

152 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:57:59am

re: #144 brookly red

3 of 8

153 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:58:02am

re: #150 jcbunga

good one

154 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:58:08am

re: #149 winston06

I just noticed that Barry Hussein O is even using the freaking teleprompter to extend condolences to the victims of the Buffalo plane crash. I’d say we should place an embargo/ban on importing of all types of teleprompters. ;-)

I don’t think he can wipe his ass without the teleprompter giving him instructions.

155 vagabond trader  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:58:15am

re: #143 Kosh’s Shadow

You sure about that? Remember his “former” pastor screaming about the chickens coming home to roost after 9/11? Of course The Obama was out having a smoke or taking a leak when that brilliant sermon went down

/

156 Viking6  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:58:21am

re: #133 Creeping Eruption

probably

157 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:58:27am

re: #132 Killgore Trout

I got your comment about Hamas taking the beating video for their own use. How do they use it? I mean do the broadcast it or something … just curious.

158 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:58:29am

re: #128 Viking6

Oh crap I just realized it is FRIDAY the 13th…shutting down now and crawling back into bed with the covers over my head.

Don’t, unless you’ve already done your Valentine’s day shopping, or your SO will make the 14th even more unlucky.

159 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:58:31am

re: #154 soxfan4life

hahahaha… man, that was funny!

160 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:58:34am

re: #147 mj

Yes it was, but the content was grossly distorted in media reports. News coverage said the NIE proved Iran had stopped their nuclear weapons program, or that they never even had one in the first place. Not even the NIE said that.

161 debutaunt  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:58:35am

re: #21 eschew_obfuscation

Does anyone know the difference between the message that says something like “this lizzard does not seem to be in our directory” and “this user has been blocked” when clicking on the football/avatar for a deleted post?

You’d better correct the spelling or else!

162 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:58:40am
Most political blog readers will remember the storm of controversy that erupted in early December 2007, when a new American “National Intelligence Assessment” claimed that Iran had stopped development of a nuclear weapon in 2003. The New York Times wrote that “[rarely], if ever, has a single intelligence report so completely, so suddenly, and so surprisingly altered a foreign policy debate here.” Blogs exploded.

Lefty blogs rejoiced. At the Daily Kos diarists mocked Bush, Cheney, McCain, Romney, and Huckabee for having taken various hawkish positions on the subject.

pajamasmedia.com

163 HippieforLife  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:58:53am

re: #120 Walter L. Newton

It’s been 23 days since Obama took office and we have not been hit by a terrorist attack in the US. See, he’s doing his job.
/SARCASM

Well, actually we have had a terrorist attack. It started 23 days ago.

164 vagabond trader  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:59:17am

re: #149 winston06

A while back someone suggested that a hacker ought to mess with it.

165 mj  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:59:46am

re: #154 soxfan4life

I don’t think he can wipe his ass without the teleprompter giving him instructions.

What’s wrong with you?
He doesn’t need to wipe because his doesn’t smell.

166 Viking6  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:00:21am

re: #158 Kosh’s Shadow

I have completed my shopping, on the limited non-stimulus wallet. I think it will be safe.

167 Racer X  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:00:51am

re: #131 Walter L. Newton

No, I am not enjoying myself. And I voted for McCain, and if he was elected, I can bet you I still would not be enjoying myself.

If McCain was in the chair the left would be screaming bloody murder at the top of their lungs.

Not sure which would be worse.

168 vagabond trader  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:00:54am

re: #165 mj

He may use his left hand for all we know.

169 jcbunga  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:00:55am

re: #165 mj

What’s wrong with you?
He doesn’t need to wipe because his doesn’t smell.

Absolutely.

The One craps tiffany unicorns, in several attractive scents.

170 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:01:14am

re: #129 winston06

I feel like there’s no government in place in Wash DC. Seems like a vaccum or some sort of horrible chaos to me and thats why there won’t be any action against the Mullahs of Iran. This know-nothing Marxist professor who is now the POTUS can not speak without a teleprompter. Expecting him to stop the sneaky Iranian regime is too much to ask of him. He needs to work on his speaking skills first

Why am I laughing at that? It’s not funny, but very true and the only thing left to do is laugh.

If wrote a novel with the Obama plot line, it would be dismissed as absurd.

DC has turned into Théâtre de l’Absurde!

171 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:01:24am

re: #164 vagabond trader

A while back someone suggested that a hacker ought to mess with it.


Like Ron Burgundy on Anchorman.

172 brookly red  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:01:26am

re: #152 Creeping Eruption

not to worry…

173 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:01:30am

re: #169 jcbunga

Absolutely.

The One craps tiffany unicorns, in several attractive scents.

Wow, he must have a high pain threshold.

174 Racer X  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:02:09am

re: #173 Creeping Eruption

Wow, he must have a high pain threshold.

The unicorn?

175 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:02:11am

re: #172 brookly red

not to worry…

I suppose I would be screwed if I were on 4-8?

176 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:02:32am

re: #168 vagabond trader

He may use his left hand for all we know.

I think that’s a given.

177 mattm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:02:34am

Bush didn’t lie, but I’ll let people die.

178 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:02:34am
179 slicerdicer  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:02:35am

What I worried about is when is “barry o” going to find some excuse to proclaim “martial law”. He has said the bill of rights is anti-government.

180 lurking faith  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:03:11am

re: #109 jemima

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
-Ben Franklin

181 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:03:56am
182 ThinkRight  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:03:57am

re: #179 slicerdicer

What I worried about is when is “barry o” going to find some excuse to proclaim “martial law”. He has said the bill of rights is anti-government.


That is why they were written isn’t it ?

183 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:03:58am

re: #179 slicerdicer

What I worried about is when is “barry o” going to find some excuse to proclaim “martial law”. He has said the bill of rights is anti-government.

Isn’t that the whole purpose of it?

184 jcbunga  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:04:05am

re: #179 slicerdicer

What I worried about is when is “barry o” going to find some excuse to proclaim “martial law”. He has said the bill of rights is anti-government.

Did he really say the Bill of Rights is anti-government?

OMG that’s hilarious.

That’s like saying bank vaults are anti-crime.

185 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:04:14am

re: #164 vagabond trader

i wish

186 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:04:15am

re: #179 slicerdicer

… He has said the bill of rights is anti-government.

Do you have a link to that statement that Obama made?

187 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:05:10am

re: #181 buzzsawmonkey

re: #183 soxfan4life

re: #182 ThinkRight

I call bullshit until I see a link to that statement.

188 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:05:33am

re: #162 FrogMarch

Most political blog readers will remember the storm of controversy that erupted in early December 2007, when a new American “National Intelligence Assessment” claimed that Iran had stopped development of a nuclear weapon in 2003.

The NIE stated only that the they had a high degree of confidence that the warhead design & development phase was “suspended” from 2003 to 2006. The other parts of the program continued: uranium enrichment & missile development. The degree of confidence in those assessments was “absolute certainty”. The NIE said they had only moderate confidence that the partial suspension continued after 2006.

189 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:05:46am

re: #157 turn

They make videos. Probably mostly posted on the internet or circulated on DVD. These tapes often have the Hamas logo on them. It’s kinda pointless to be brutal and ruthless if nobody knows about it.

He’s another one here (warning: Graphic)

190 dhg4  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:05:59am

re: #123 Kenneth

The 2007 NIE was widely misquoted and widely unread. What the report actually said was that the US intelligence community has a high degree of confidence that from 2003 to 2006 Iran suspended the warhead development phase of their nuclear weapons program. During that period the Iranians continued to work on the other two phases: uranium enrichment & ballistic missile development. After 2006, the confidence level in that assessment dropped to moderate.

In other words, the NIE never said Iran stopped their nuclear weapons program, only that they slowed down one part of it while the concentrated on the other parts.

Still, the folks who disseminated the findings produced a summary that cherry picked the things they wanted to emphasize that implied that Iran had stopped seeking nuclear weapons. That had the desired political effect. True the NIE wasn’t a disaster, it was the way it was presented that was. But most of us will still use the shorthand “NIE” when we really mean the “highly politicized summary of the NIE.”

191 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:06:14am

re: #161 debutaunt

You’d better correct the spelling or else!

blizzard …. better?

192 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:06:33am

re: #179 slicerdicer

What I worried about is when is “barry o” going to find some excuse to proclaim “martial law”. He has said the bill of rights is anti-government.

That’s the whole purpose of it. It exists to protect the people from the government. Of course, that’s also what stands in BHO’s way.

193 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:06:37am
194 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:07:22am

And there’s almost no chance that Obama is going to stop them.

When we could. It is up to Israel.

Failing that, we’ve repeated the mistakes of the 1930s.

195 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:08:01am

re: #188 Kenneth

The NIE stated only that the they had a high degree of confidence that the warhead design & development phase was “suspended” from 2003 to 2006. The other parts of the program continued: uranium enrichment & missile development. The degree of confidence in those assessments was “absolute certainty”. The NIE said they had only moderate confidence that the partial suspension continued after 2006.

They might have had enough info that they didn’t need to do work on the warhead itself for a while.
Khaaaaan!

196 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:08:33am

re: #189 Killgore Trout

I assume they use them to intimidate the opposition and to frighten people from rising up against them. Thanks.

197 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:08:34am

re: #194 Ojoe

When we could. It is up to Israel.

Failing that, we’ve repeated the mistakes of the 1930s.

We’re repeating a lot of the mistakes of the 1930s. Just look at the Porkulus Bill for a start, not to mention the Eurofascist parties and others. The big question is, is this 1930 or 1939?

198 lurking faith  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:09:21am

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

So, what else is new? Obama has always been a liar. Good on Rush for saying it.

Maybe if we encircle President O and shout “Humperdink!”…

199 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:09:27am

re: #192 Honorary Yooper

That’s the whole purpose of it. It exists to protect the people from the government. Of course, that’s also what stands in BHO’s way.

I found a reference to that. Obama said the Bill of Rights were limiting, Rush expanded that and said “anti-government.” Even if Obama meant that, it’s not what he said, not in those words.

rushlimbaugh.com

200 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:09:30am
201 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:09:32am

re: #190 dhg4

Yes, that’s exactly right. Similarly the 9-11 Report is misquoted to assert that Bush lied, when in fact, it proves if anything Bush understated the case.

BTW: this may be why Iran suspended their warhead design program:

Smugglers Had Design For Advanced Warhead

202 jester6  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:09:52am

re: #85 johnnyreb

If Israel doesn’t do something itself, they are doomed.

There backs are against the wall and their population is not suicidal. They will act.

203 summergurl  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:09:59am

What the heck is wrong with people?

Games where the object is to rape women?
Amazon Bans Game

A doctor who implants embryos in a woman without a job and husband?

People like the McDonald’s guy at BO’s town hall forum - who obviously needs someone to make sure he takes his meds?

A President elected by being propped up by the MSM who did not disclose all they knew about his past associations or refused to investigate?

One after another Presidential nominees being tax cheats? With the guy that oversees the IRS being one of the worst? And yet he still gets elected because he is truly sorry and learned from his mistake?


Is it fluoride in our water? Chemicals on our foods? What has turned our brains to mush and our spines to jelly?

Having an ARGH! moment this afternoon.

204 nigella  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:10:07am

Having Obama in the White House, makes the election in Israel all the more critical. If, and I pray it is, Netenyahu won the election at least Israel has a chance. They know they can no longer rely on this new Administration. God bless and keep our dear friends in Israel, and God bless and keep us.

205 oh_dude  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:10:08am
U.S. intelligence officials later said the conclusion was based on evidence that Iran had stopped secret efforts to design a nuclear warhead around the time of the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

Why?

206 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:10:08am

re: #197 Honorary Yooper

Feb. 1939

207 debutaunt  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:10:09am

re: #191 eschew_obfuscation

blizzard …. better?

Much better! Thanks! The day I signed up here I went into a panic and misspelled lizard, so it jumps out at me.

208 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:10:15am
209 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:10:26am

re: #193 gatorbait

Has it occurred to anyone yet that things are not going well for our new president? So sad. We all had such high hopes for his success. Oh, well, we all have to die sometime. Those living in lucrative target sites will have to go first. That’s all.

I HOPE he’s not successful! The country would be best served, at this point, if congress were deadlocked and Obama were prevented from socializing the country.

210 aggieann  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:10:26am

re: #101 vagabond trader

OT, too delicious though. Seems the libral weenies at 96.9 in Boston are waking from their Obama hangover.They have been whining about his dishonesty since 11am. These two were stone cold believers, now the disillusion sets in.

Bwhahahahahahahaha!

Just curious—which example of his dishonesty are they talking about?

211 mj  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:10:37am

re: #197 Honorary Yooper

We’re repeating a lot of the mistakes of the 1930s. Just look at the Porkulus Bill for a start, not to mention the Eurofascist parties and others. The big question is, is this 1930 or 1939?

Only this time the US is being led by Neville Chamberlain.

212 rightside  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:11:16am

Amazing how similar cbbho’s foreign policy is looking more like W’s. W was excoriated by the drive-bys and pols for being a cowboy diplomat.

The messiah should start being called Obush.

213 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:11:19am

re: #197 Honorary Yooper

1937. 4 yrs before pearl harbor

214 jwb7605  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:11:33am

re: #206 Ojoe

Feb. 1939

I agree with that 100%.
The question is will the U.S. get involved “early” or “late” in the global stuff?

I’m thinking “late” … again.

215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:11:42am

re: #180 lurking faith

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
-Ben Franklin

A lot of other people have said that.

Of course, they were quoting Ben Franklin.

216 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:11:48am

re: #212 rightside

i dont see any similarity

217 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:11:58am

re: #205 oh_dude

Why?

That for them to know and us to find out in 30 years.

218 jcbunga  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:12:21am

re: #203 summergurl

I can’t link to YouTube here at work, but clearly our precious bodily fluids have been compromised, as General Jack Ripper warned us.

219 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:12:26am

re: #205 oh_dude

that was a liberal hoax

220 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:12:36am

Muslim mob attacks Jewish center in Toronto

Something approaching open season for attacks on Jews appears to be in force in Toronto. On the campus of York University, a Muslim mob attacked the Hillel House, pounding on the door and yelling antisemitic slogans. Unbelievably, according to this account in YNet, the police demanded that the center itself close down — punishing the innocent and achieving the goal of the mob.

/evil craziness

221 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:12:38am

re: #203 summergurl

People have always been sick, twisted, selfish, and, quite frankly, moronic. It’s nothing new and/or different, and if you think so, please remember the blood spectacles that the Romans had 2,000 years ago among other things.

222 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:12:54am

re: #179 slicerdicer

What I worried about is when is “barry o” going to find some excuse to proclaim “martial law”. He has said the bill of rights is anti-government.

The Bill of Rights is anti-government. That’s the whole point of it

GMTA ThinkRight and soxfan4life

223 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:12:55am

re: #220 Killian Bundy

I was there when it happened

224 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:13:07am

re: #208 buzzsawmonkey

I recall Obama in a radio interview which made its appearance during the campaign, discussing how the Constitution unfortunately limited the powers of government. I suspect that any link would be to that interview or some similar statement(s).

I have no idea if Obama said that the Bill of Rights is anti-government—but it is true, whether or not he said it. The Bill of Rights exists for the purpose of placing clear limits on the government’s powers, which is indeed “anti-government.”

Does this mean that I am worried about Obama imposing martial law or some such thing? No. Not at present, in any event. Does it mean that I am concerned that he will try to repeal or abrogate the Bill of Rights? No. Not at present, in any event.

And all I was trying to point out is he didn’t say those words, and as you point out, that’s just what the documents expound on.

But, said the wrong way, it makes Obama sound like he is anti our founding documents.

225 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:13:12am

re: #200 MandyManners

No, it wasn’t. McCain is not a Commie nor does he hate America, Western Civilization and Capitalism.

After his performance on the Tarp debate I lost any faith in McCain leading us out of this mess. While I found the prospect of him as POTUS 1000 times more appealing than Obama, I felt like we were screwed either way.

226 summergurl  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:13:32am

re: #199 Walter L. Newton

whoa—-scary

227 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:13:46am

re: #221 Honorary Yooper

If movie special effects were not so good we’d still have them IMHO.

BBL

228 Amer-I-Can  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:14:03am

I can smell some “Hope” here, but I don’t see any “Change”

229 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:14:05am

re: #218 jcbunga

I can’t link to YouTube here at work, but clearly our precious bodily fluids have been compromised, as General Jack Ripper warned us.

Where is he? I keep waiting for him to order Wing Operations Plan R on the Eye-ranians.

230 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:14:06am

re: #198 lurking faith

Maybe if we encircle President O and shout “Humperdink!”…

I don’t get it.

231 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:14:11am

Just breaking on Fox News

Hitlery Clinton s about to address Asia Society in NYC.

Asia Society is a big promoter of the current Iranian regime in liberal circles and Clintons are back at what they have done best: Taking money from lobbyists, this time from the Iranian regime.

232 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:14:12am

Forest fire jihad?
Man sought over ‘deliberately-lit fire’ at East Ivanhoe

POLICE have released an image of a man sought for questioning over a scrub fire that threatened houses at East Ivanhoe, in Melbourne’s northeast.

233 Unakite  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:14:34am

re: #35 unreconstructed rebel

I wonder when the simians that occupy Congress & the White House are going to figure out that neither the Market nor the People are very happy about the whole stimulus thingy.

Since they don’t care about the markets (except taking over them) or the people (except the ones who vote for them), I would say……NEVER!

234 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:15:13am

re: #232 Killgore Trout

Forest fire jihad?
Man sought over ‘deliberately-lit fire’ at East Ivanhoe

Why would you suggest jihad? He looks Irish to me?
/

235 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:15:25am
236 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:15:27am
237 slicerdicer  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:15:28am

… He has said the bill of rights is anti-government.

Do you have a link to that statement that Obama made?

I heard a recording of “barry o” in a discussion on some radio station in Chicago from years back. I’m sure someone has a link to it.

238 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:15:59am
239 dhg4  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:16:14am

re: #201 Kenneth

Yes, that’s exactly right. Similarly the 9-11 Report is misquoted to assert that Bush lied, when in fact, it proves if anything Bush understated the case.

BTW: this may be why Iran suspended their warhead design program:

Smugglers Had Design For Advanced Warhead

Comforting. Thanks. :-(

240 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:16:31am

re: #220 Killian Bundy

Now Jewish students are all wearing t-shirts with lines like these: “Proud to be a Jew” - “Jews need not fear here” - “Jew” and a lot of IDF t-shirts r being worn on campus

241 Canoe Train  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:16:41am

re: #61 Kenneth

Damn that is a tough agenda. No wonder the job of president makes the office holder age decades in just a few years. Talk about Herculean tasks. Maybe Sisyphean task in proportion. While I did not vote for the man, and take exception to much of his agenda, I hesitate to wish tasks of this degree of difficulty on anyone.

242 HippieforLife  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:16:42am

We can’t fight against our real enemies because the Republicans are at “war” with the O.

Unfortunately, I think we have a better chance against Iran than against the current administration. The left gets louder and louder about stifling any word of dissent.

I just read that the O was going to sell airplane parts to Syria even though they are on a list of terrorist states. This is his idea of foreign policy.

243 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:16:46am

re: #235 taxfreekiller

Stimulating terrorism

244 nightlight  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:17:03am

Did Biden really say this?

“Are you telling me a president who’s briefed every single morning, who’s fixated on Iran, is not told back in August that the tentative conclusion of 16 intelligence agencies in the United States government is they had abandoned their effort for a nuclear weapon in ‘03?” said Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, chair of the Senate foreign relations committee.

“That’s not believable. If that’s true, he has the most incompetent staff in modern American history and he’s one of the most incompetent presidents in modern American history.”

thestar.com

245 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:17:03am

re: #223 winston06

I was there when it happened

Was it as bad as the article says, or was it worse?

246 vagabond trader  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:17:06am

re: #210 aggieann

His choices for cabinet picks, the promise to rehire at Caterpillar,Michelle’s criticism of the anemic Bush tax cuts while her husband has proposed one almost identical. I turned it off after that.

247 jcbunga  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:17:08am

re: #239 dhg4

Cool avatar..what is it, can I ask?

248 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:17:26am
249 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:17:29am

re: #237 slicerdicer

… He has said the bill of rights is anti-government.

Do you have a link to that statement that Obama made?

I heard a recording of “barry o” in a discussion on some radio station in Chicago from years back. I’m sure someone has a link to it.

Did you read any of the comments made after you made you first comment. Obama has said that the Bill of Rights is limiting. That is very different than saying anti-government.

All of our founding documents are limiting, that’s their purpose. You’re statement, which you can’t back up, is stretching the facts.

250 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:18:03am

re: #237 slicerdicer

… He has said the bill of rights is anti-government.

Do you have a link to that statement that Obama made?

I heard a recording of “barry o” in a discussion on some radio station in Chicago from years back. I’m sure someone has a link to it.

Hmmm
Barry-o, Barry-o
Iranian bomb come and we all blow up.

251 vagabond trader  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:18:04am

re: #231 winston06

I thought they already had their snouts in that trough.

252 Silvergirl  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:18:16am

re: #57 SFGoth

Question: was Obama really that naive during the campaign or did he know all along that the world is a dangerous place?

But we can change that, dontchaknow? Yes we can! Close your eyes tight and Hope!

253 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:18:34am

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

it was as bad. Those Pali terrorists are vicious and ugly

254 truth stick  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:18:35am

I’m sure he’ll seek clarification on whether they are developing a weapon or if they are just pursuing when they sit down for tea

255 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:18:37am
256 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:18:38am

Israel, Iran liable to clash in 2009 over nukes, U.S. intel chief said

haaretz.com

Blair added that a key challenge for the new Obama administration will be strengthening the moderates in the Arab world, in particular among the Palestinians

What Moderates?

Gee Bush was right all along? Who knew?

257 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:18:45am
258 mj  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:18:55am

re: #240 winston06

Now Jewish students are all wearing t-shirts with lines like these: “Proud to be a Jew” - “Jews need not fear here” - “Jew” and a lot of IDF t-shirts r being worn on campus

Cops quell anti-Israel attack at York U
By Ron Csillag · February 13, 2009

TORONTO (JTA) — Toronto police quelled tensions between Jews and anti-Israel activists at the campus of one of Canada’s largest universities for the second time in two weeks.

Hillel@York, the on-campus club for Jewish students at Toronto’s York University, said that anti-Israel activists “isolated and threatened Jewish students” during a Feb. 12 news conference on the fallout from a three-month-long strike that ended recently at York.

Jewish students allegedly were subjected to anti-Semitic slurs and physically intimidated. The anti-Israel activists allegedly barricaded Jewish students in Hillel’s office.

Toronto police escorted the Jewish students out of the office to ensure their safety.

Among the slurs allegedly uttered by those barricading Hillel’s office were, “Die bitch — go back to Israel” and “Die Jew — get the hell off campus.”

Last week, police were called to York during a physical altercation involving an anti-Israel activist.

“The climate on York’s campus of aggressive intimidation, violent rhetoric and physical harassment is unacceptable,” said Daniel Ferman, President of Hillel@York. “The hostile environment demonstrates contempt for all students — not only to Jewish students.”

B’nai Brith Canada has requested an “urgent” meeting with York University officials to discuss security for Jewish students.

jta.org

259 summergurl  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:19:11am

re: #221 Honorary Yooper

People have always been sick, twisted, selfish, and, quite frankly, moronic. It’s nothing new and/or different, and if you think so, please remember the blood spectacles that the Romans had 2,000 years ago among other things.

I know - like I said I was having an ARGH moment -

Visited Rome and toured the Coliseum after reading several books, and you’re right, it was a sick spectacle. The volume of lives lost in the name of entertainment is incomprehensible.

260 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:19:50am

Paliwood work accident…..
Google Video

261 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:20:10am

re: #259 summergurl

I know - like I said I was having an ARGH moment -

Visited Rome and toured the Coliseum after reading several books, and you’re right, it was a sick spectacle. The volume of lives lost in the name of entertainment is incomprehensible.

So is the volume of brain cells now a days.

262 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:20:20am
263 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:20:30am

re: #258 mj

let me see if I can ask my friend to email the pics he took

264 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:20:39am

19:50 EU`s Solana: Likud-Kadima unity gov`t would benefit peace talks (AP)


But maybe that’s NOT in Israel’s interest? That ever occur to you ass hole?

265 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:21:10am

re: #259 summergurl

I know - like I said I was having an ARGH moment -

Visited Rome and toured the Coliseum after reading several books, and you’re right, it was a sick spectacle. The volume of lives lost in the name of entertainment is incomprehensible.

We’ll soon be seeing the Lions vs the Conservatives, unless PETA objects that it mistreats the lions.
/sarc (for the humor impaired)

266 HippieforLife  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:21:12am

re: #228 Amer-I-Can

That may be “dope” you are smelling!

267 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:21:22am

re: #258 mj

There are 43 photos.

268 mj  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:21:35am

re: #256 Nevergiveup

Israel, Iran liable to clash in 2009 over nukes, U.S. intel chief said

[Link: www.haaretz.com…]

Blair added that a key challenge for the new Obama administration will be strengthening the moderates in the Arab world, in particular among the Palestinians

What Moderates?

Gee Bush was right all along? Who knew?

I wouldn’t go quite that far. Remember the “Roadmap to War Peace”? The whole assumption is based on the Myth of the Moderate Palestinian.

269 SFGoth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:21:38am

re: #71 turn

My opinion, he isn’t that naive and much of what he said (and is still saying for that matter) was just to appease the far left.

“I know what Dems like, I know what Libs want, I know what Dems like, Dems like, Dems like me. SUCKERS! ha ha ha”

270 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:21:51am

re: #264 Nevergiveup

19:50 EU`s Solana: Likud-Kadima unity gov`t would benefit peace talks (AP)

But maybe that’s NOT in Israel’s interest? That ever occur to you ass hole?

The EU doesn’t care about Israel’s interest.

271 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:21:54am

re: #248 MandyManners

Nonsense. Would McCain have taken over the Census Department? Reinstated the Fairness Doctrine? Shoveled billions of dollars to ACORN?

I voted for the man, but do you really believe he would have stood up to Pelosi and Reid? I agree we would have been much better off with McCain in the Whitehouse but we still would be in for a world of hurt.

272 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:22:05am
273 mj  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:22:12am

re: #263 winston06

let me see if I can ask my friend to email the pics he took

That would be great. Charles should do a thread on this.

274 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:22:36am

re: #259 summergurl

You think things are sick here, see if you can stomach this

littlegreenfootballs.com

275 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:22:46am
276 Amer-I-Can  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:23:08am

re: #266 HippieforLife

That may be “dope” you are smelling!

LOL, the change will come later… probably in the form of new underwear.

OTO, OTO, OTO

277 mj  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:23:25am

re: #270 Kosh’s Shadow

The EU doesn’t care about Israel’s interest.

It doesn’t care much about Europe’s interest either. What matters, are the Arabs happy?

278 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:23:26am

re: #241 Canoe Train

Like Dennis Miller said after the election,


“I didn’t vote for him, but now that he’s been elected, he’s my president. I truly hope he succeeds because the challenges facing America are so great we all need him to succeed.” (or words to that effect)
279 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:23:36am

re: #275 taxfreekiller

Obama knows what got him to where he is, he will continue to use the same methods he has in the past.

1. He lies.
2. He cheats.
3. He misuses political power.
4. He throws any one he needs to under the bus.

Re: 4 - does he have enough carbon credits to run the bus any more?

280 summergurl  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:23:54am

re: #274 turn

You think things are sick here, see if you can stomach this

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

can’t look -

281 jcbunga  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:23:54am

re: #275 taxfreekiller

Obama knows what got him to where he is, he will continue to use the same methods he has in the past.

1. He lies.
2. He cheats.
3. He misuses political power.
4. He throws any one he needs to under the bus.

…AND he craps tiffany unicorns in several attractive scents.

282 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:23:55am

re: #273 mj

pics are not good quality. Taken mostly by cell phones and poorly lit

283 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:23:58am

re: #268 mj

I wouldn’t go quite that far. Remember the “Roadmap to War Peace”? The whole assumption is based on the Myth of the Moderate Palestinian.

Well the thrust of the article was really about Iran. That is what I was making reference to Bush about. Not that piece of shit road crap.

284 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:24:23am

re: #269 SFGoth

CE said it best in #73, said anything to get himself elected.

285 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:25:36am

Chavez wants players cleared for WBC

sports.espn.go.com

Fine with me. Pitch Santana ever day for all I care?

286 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:25:56am

re: #273 mj

re: #258 mj

These are a few pics - Can u see them?

Image: 30u613l.jpg

Image: 2v1uv7m.jpg

Image: 8wgmzk.jpg

287 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:26:14am
288 jester6  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:26:16am

re: #193 gatorbait

That’s bad juju.

289 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:26:22am
290 summergurl  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:26:36am

re: #275 taxfreekiller

Obama knows what got him to where he is, he will continue to use the same methods he has in the past.

1. He lies.
2. He cheats.
3. He misuses political power.
4. He throws any one he needs to under the bus.


Blago says he is going to write a book about the liars and adulterers that have slammed him - you think anything in there is on BO? Personally I don’t think he would ever cheat on Michelle - she is not Hillary at all when it comes to that crap - Will be interesting to see if BO or Rahm are included.

291 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:26:54am

re: #286 winston06

shoot, small size pics.

Image: 35hju37.jpg

292 rightside  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:27:15am

re: #274 turn

wow.

293 mj  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:27:16am

re: #286 winston06

re: #258 mj

These are a few pics - Can u see them?

[Link: i43.tinypic.com…]

[Link: i42.tinypic.com…]

[Link: i40.tinypic.com…]

Yes.
Thanks Winston!

294 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:27:46am
295 Racer X  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:27:50am

re: #260 Killgore Trout

It was wrong of me to laugh at that.

296 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:27:51am

re: #286 winston06

bigger images here

Image: 2rnkdbr.jpg

297 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:27:54am

re: #272 buzzsawmonkey

Just think of the film stars who have fallen prey to drugs and liquor.

Good point. What did you make of River Phoenix’s interview on Letterman? Was he acting or fall down stoned?

298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:28:04am

Maybe Obama can say something about the “last eight years” to blame for this.

299 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:28:15am

re: #290 summergurl

Blago says he is going to write a book about the liars and adulterers that have slammed him - you think anything in there is on BO? Personally I don’t think he would ever cheat on Michelle - she is not Hillary at all when it comes to that crap - Will be interesting to see if BO or Rahm are included.

Blago is a tool. If he had anything, he would have used it to keep his seat.

300 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:28:22am

re: #280 summergurl

Wise

301 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:28:22am

re: #240 winston06

Now Jewish students are all wearing t-shirts with lines like these: “Proud to be a Jew” - “Jews need not fear here” - “Jew” and a lot of IDF t-shirts r being worn on campus

I hope so. I’ve been think about this and I’ve come to a conclusion: The English-speaking world needs an event where the Islamists rioters are defeated decisively. They need to lose, as humanely as can be arranged, but in such a manner as there can be no doubt that they lost. We shouldn’t want such an event but I don’t see an alternative. The Islamists must lose at least of these riots to take the wind out of their sails. I’d much prefer and would actually advocate a strong show of force that resulted in them backing off. But any such show would have be ready if them won’t.

Again, I don’t want people to be hurt or killed. I want the Islamists to see our strength, in such a way as they cannot deny it.

302 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:28:27am

re: #258 mj

Thanks for the post. There’s some bad shit going down at York U.

303 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:29:08am

re: #280 summergurl

I could watch it either.

304 summergurl  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:29:09am

re: #297 turn

Good point. What did you make of River Phoenix’s interview on Letterman? Was he acting or fall down stoned?


Some say it was a publicity stunt. He is changing his genre to rap I hear.

305 dhg4  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:29:22am

re: #247 jcbunga

Cool avatar..what is it, can I ask?

Why thanks. Cat’s Eye Nebula.

NASA has huge libraries of amazing images. Hubble too.

You may use their images for non-commercial purposes but they ask that you credit them.

306 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:29:24am
307 mattm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:30:07am

Call you Sen. and Rep. to tell them to oppose the Stimulus. I have just called/faxed my Sens and rep and FAXed Specter and Snowe. You can send two free faxes at faxzero.com

Do it now!

308 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:30:31am

re: #278 Kenneth

Like Dennis Miller said after the election,

The problem with that line of thought (or the expression of it) is that it doesn’t specify what Miller wants his president to be successful with. There’s a whole lot he wants to do that I DON’T want him to be successful doing …. which is most of what he want’s to do IMHO.

309 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:30:35am

re: #297 turn

Good point. What did you make of River Phoenix’s interview on Letterman? Was he acting or fall down stoned?

Isn’t he dead? That was his brother on Letterman?

310 jester6  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:30:35am

re: #290 summergurl

Politics aside, an angry Michelle Obama would be very scary.

311 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:30:46am

re: #295 Racer X

It was wrong of me to laugh at that.

I got a chuckle out of that one too. My laugh was guilt free; the guy was a terrorist and he was a stupid one at that.

312 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:30:59am

re: #279 Kosh’s Shadow

Re: 4 - does he have enough carbon credits to run the bus any more?

It’s a turbo-electric hybrid bus. No kidding, the CTA in Chicago actually uses a small number of them.

313 SFGoth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:31:25am

re: #307 mattm

Call you Sen. and Rep. to tell them to oppose the Stimulus. I have just called/faxed my Sens and rep and FAXed Specter and Snowe. You can send two free faxes at [Link: faxzero.com…]

Do it now!

I’m going to call Boxer, Pelosi, and Feinstein right now! Why do you think I have a drug problem? My reality sucks.

314 tackle  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:31:26am

re: #297 turn

Good point. What did you make of River Phoenix’s interview on Letterman? Was he acting or fall down stoned?

I think you mean Joaquin Phoenix?

315 lurking faith  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:31:41am

re: #224 Walter L. Newton

And all I was trying to point out is he didn’t say those words, and as you point out, that’s just what the documents expound on.

But, said the wrong way, it makes Obama sound like he is anti our founding documents.

If he said “unfortunately” the Bill of Rights limits the government, then perhaps he really is anti our founding documents.

He frequently doesn’t really seem to understand the Constitution when he talks about it, or when he talks about things he intends to do as President.

Or perhaps he figures the rules simply don’t apply to him.

316 DistantThunder  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:32:20am

re: #290 summergurl

Blago says he is going to write a book about the liars and adulterers that have slammed him - you think anything in there is on BO? Personally I don’t think he would ever cheat on Michelle - she is not Hillary at all when it comes to that crap - Will be interesting to see if BO or Rahm are included.

He, or someone like him, would absolutely cheat on her, or someone like her, because she is emasculating, and he probably has a hard time feeling the love around someone that is reminiscent of a mother figure.

Or he relies on his addiction to relieve his frustrations.

317 jester6  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:32:26am

re: #301 Dark_Falcon

I hope so. I’ve been think about this and I’ve come to a conclusion: The English-speaking world needs an event where the Islamists rioters are defeated decisively. They need to lose, as humanely as can be arranged, but in such a manner as there can be no doubt that they lost. We shouldn’t want such an event but I don’t see an alternative. The Islamists must lose at least of these riots to take the wind out of their sails. I’d much prefer and would actually advocate a strong show of force that resulted in them backing off. But any such show would have be ready if them won’t.

Again, I don’t want people to be hurt or killed. I want the Islamists to see our strength, in such a way as they cannot deny it.

I don’t think you can defeat them humanely because I doubt they would act humanely. And to really defeat them you would need to humiliate them.

318 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:32:45am

Obamandias

(with apologies to Percy Bysshe Shelley)


I met a time traveler from our future land
Who said: “A vast and endless stimulus plan
brought forth early in Obama’s reign,
utterly sank the economy, or what remained;
And shamed the Messiah’s cold command
Of grandiose ambitions not quite dead,
But shattered upon Supply and Demand.
The One who mocked them; who once had said,
“Vero possumus”, but then never could
Repeal reality and so declined
His name was Obama, The One, The Light
So young and well-spoken, very refined;
Who promised to banish the scary night
Pay for mortgages, gas for free
Round the colossal decay of liberty
Prosperity and Peace cower out of sight.”

To complete the effect, the final words from the original poem:

And on the pedestal these words appear:
`My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!’
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

319 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:33:52am

re: #291 winston06

shoot, small size pics.

[Link: i41.tinypic.com…]

Well, you did link to “tinypic.com”

320 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:34:09am

re: #309 Nevergiveup

Isn’t he dead? That was his brother on Letterman?

Yep, River dropped dead outside of Johnny Depps Viper Room some years ago.

321 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:34:33am

re: #302 Kenneth

I call it Gulag U

322 pink freud  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:34:45am

Obama on he Constitution, 2001 (if you can stomach 4 minutes of this dreck)

Youtube Video

323 vagabond trader  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:34:46am

Heh, just found out why our rino governor likes the porkpak. 2.8 bil to CT.

324 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:34:51am

re: #319 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I know. I will try again if you want

325 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:35:06am

re: #322 pink freud

he sounds jibberish

326 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:35:09am

re: #317 jester6

I don’t think you can defeat them humanely because I doubt they would act humanely. And to really defeat them you would need to humiliate them.

I’m sorry, I can’t figure out how to answer that with risking running afoul of the forum rules.

327 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:35:14am

re: #292 rightside

Kilgore linked that, there is another upthread. I would have commented “animals” but that wouldn’t describe them. I just commented OMG …

328 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:35:25am

re: #308 eschew_obfuscation

Of course. Miller said that a few days after the election is an honorable spirit of patriotism. (if there are any Democrats reading this, you can go look up that unfamiliiar word).

I want Obama to truly succeed in confronting the real problems we face. I don’t want him to succeed in implementing much of his agenda.

329 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:35:41am

re: #317 jester6

I don’t think you can defeat them humanely because I doubt they would act humanely. And to really defeat them you would need to humiliate them.

The big problem is TOO many people agree with the radical Muslims. They get positive coverage in the press, from the UN, from their imans in their mosques and so on.

If they think they are right, and they don’t see a concerted effort that says otherwise, then they are, in their minds.

330 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:35:50am

Democrats Delay Bill Release to Conceal Details

Democratic staffers released the final version of the stimulus bill at about 11 p.m. last night after delaying the release for hours to put it into a format which people cannot “search” on their home computers.

Instead of publishing the bill as a regular internet document — which people can search by “key words” and otherwise, the Dems took hours to convert the final bill from the regular searchable format into “pdf” files, which can be read but not searched.

/gee, if you were cynical, you’d think they were trying to hide something

331 jwb7605  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:36:17am

re: #328 Kenneth

Of course. Miller said that a few days after the election is an honorable spirit of patriotism. (if there are any Democrats reading this, you can go look up that unfamiliiar word).

I want Obama to truly succeed in confronting the real problems we face. I don’t want him to succeed in implementing much of his agenda.

Those are mutually exclusive desires.

332 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:36:27am

re: #328 Kenneth

Of course. Miller said that a few days after the election is an honorable spirit of patriotism. (if there are any Democrats reading this, you can go look up that unfamiliiar word).

I want Obama to truly succeed in confronting the real problems we face. I don’t want him to succeed in implementing much of his agenda.

Hear, hear!

333 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:36:32am

re: #321 winston06

It’s starting to sound like Yorkistan.

334 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:36:32am

My boss’s phone has voicemail waiting & the message light is blinking like a trauma ward alarm. Very distracting.

335 DistantThunder  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:36:52am

re: #328 Kenneth

Of course. Miller said that a few days after the election is an honorable spirit of patriotism. (if there are any Democrats reading this, you can go look up that unfamiliiar word).

I want Obama to truly succeed in confronting the real problems we face. I don’t want him to succeed in implementing much of his agenda.

You’re assuming that he thinks these problems are negative instead of good opportunities to consolidate power.

336 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:36:54am

re: #330 Killian Bundy

Democrats Delay Bill Release to Conceal Details

/gee, if you were cynical, you’d think they were trying to hide something

That paragraph doesn’t make sense. You CAN search PDF files.

337 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:37:00am

re: #331 jwb7605

Sadly, yes.

338 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:37:10am

“U.S. now sees Iran as pursuing nuclear bomb”? Helllloooo, assholes (I’m looking at you, LATimes), we’ve seen them as pursuing one for awhile now. I guess the Bush administration didn’t count as “U.S.”.

/sheesh

339 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:37:30am
340 pink freud  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:37:31am

For you comedy fans, Robert Gibbs about to do presser on Gregg, live on fox.

341 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:37:34am

re: #304 summergurl

Some say it was a publicity stunt. He is changing his genre to rap I hear.

I have the impression the ones saying that are die hard fans. Don’t know.

342 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:37:42am

re: #323 vagabond trader

Heh, just found out why our rino governor likes the porkpak. 2.8 bil to CT.

That’s why Charlie Crist of Florida likes it too. Any GOP governor who endorse the porkilus bill should get a primary challenge. I’m out for now, I’ll back back later.

343 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:37:46am

re: #330 Killian Bundy

Democrats Delay Bill Release to Conceal Details

/gee, if you were cynical, you’d think they were trying to hide something

Hand-written notes in the margins of the thing.
corner.nationalreview.com

344 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:37:52am

re: #334 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

My boss’s phone has voicemail waiting & the message light is blinking like a trauma ward alarm. Very distracting.

Unplug it?

345 jester6  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:38:12am

re: #329 Walter L. Newton

The big problem is TOO many people agree with the radical Muslims. They get positive coverage in the press, from the UN, from their imans in their mosques and so on.

If they think they are right, and they don’t see a concerted effort that says otherwise, then they are, in their minds.

I think you give them too much credit. They know they are right because their book tells them so. If you don’t believe in their book your opinion does not matter anyway.

346 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:38:13am

re: #336 Walter L. Newton

That paragraph doesn’t make sense. You CAN search PDF files.

Ok, I made a mistake, I read deeper into the article. They made SCANS of the pages and then created a PDF of the scans, so actually the whole PDF is “pictures.”

347 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:38:18am

re: #9 Shug

Can’t he just impose cap and trade on them?

/

Or find some endangered species in the area where they’re doing the research, and shut the whole thing down?

348 summergurl  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:38:19am

Watching TV in bed- having to stay because my back revolted against power walking up a hill this morning - Just saw the Vermont Teddy Bear commercial AGAIN for all you guys that are Valentine gift challenged.

Never noticed it before but on the back side of the box, about 3/4 of the way down, there is a little hole with the words “air hole” above it. At least it looks like the back of the box.

349 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:38:27am
350 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:38:56am

re: #336 Walter L. Newton

That paragraph doesn’t make sense. You CAN search PDF files.

Next paragraph:

Three of the four .pdf files had no text embedded, just images of the text, which did not permit text searches of the bill.

/my bad

351 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:38:56am

Oh man Rush is taking it to Clinton big time over his fairness comment. Lots of reference to cigars etc. Don’t usually listen to him, but he is fired up today.

352 jwb7605  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:39:00am

re: #337 Kenneth

Sadly, yes.

Have you personally chosen between the rock and the hard place yet?
I’m still trying to make up my mind :)

353 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:39:12am

re: #340 pink freud

he just said Obamble was notified about the crash last night and his thoughts and prayers are with the victims. And all of a sudden I wondered if his thoughts and prayers came to him through his teleprompter.

354 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:39:19am

re: #341 turn

they are turn

355 bellamags  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:39:22am

re: #325 winston06

he sounds jibberish

RACIST!
/

356 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:39:28am

re: #334 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

My boss’s phone has voicemail waiting & the message light is blinking like a trauma ward alarm. Very distracting.


As Mandy would say….SHOOT IT!

357 golly  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:39:43am

Note to President
Re: Catch 22

The world expects you to be the policeman since most of them have no guts for it. When you are the policeman, they accuse you of having an agenda and being aggressive. Get used to it.

Milo Miderbender
Buying cotten in Iran

358 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:39:54am

re: #355 bellamags

hehe

359 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:39:57am

re: #350 Killian Bundy

/my bad

No, my bad, since I didn’t read deeper into the article the first time then what you had clipped. I responded to fast.

360 lurking faith  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:39:57am

re: #230 Dark_Falcon

From The Princess Bride.

Miracle Max’s wife forces him to admit he’s lying and do the right thng by shouting “Humperdink!” at him. (Prince Humperdink had ruined him, and he can’t stand to hear that name.)

361 vagabond trader  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:40:28am

re: #351 turn

They messed with the wrong talk show. lol.

362 pink freud  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:40:42am

re: #353 winston06

he just said Obamble was notified about the crash last night and his thoughts and prayers are with the victims. And all of a sudden I wondered if his thoughts and prayers came to him through his teleprompter.

Dimes to donuts Jake Tapper doesn’t get called on.

363 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:41:08am

re: #314 tackle

I think you mean Joaquin Phoenix?

doh, yes. Trying to multi-task listening to Rush and commenting here. Turn doesn’t multi-task well. Thanks.

364 golly  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:41:23am

Good grief, Minderbender, cotton
PIMF

365 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:41:24am

“there is alot on the Presidents plate” ? Hum? Then maybe you should have stayed in the Illinois legislature?

366 bruxellesblog  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:41:26am

“Paging Jimmy Carter, paging Jimmy Carter, your failed policy has been discovered in the White House lost and found. Please report immediately to the Oval Office with your official 1978 Democratic party ‘kick me’ sign, surf straights of Hormuz coffee mug, and “if you ain’t Iranian, you ain’t Shiite” 1980 collectible T-shirt for identification purposes”

367 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:41:46am

re: #314 tackle

What was your take BTW?

368 mfarmer1  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:41:57am

Obama will handle all of this nuclear bomb stuff will Iran over a couple of cups of Persian Chai huddled around a samovar with Dinnerjacket. Relax.

369 mj  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:41:57am

re: #333 Kenneth

It’s starting to sound like Yorkistan.

More here:

Jewish Students Condemn Violence on York Campus
February 12, 2009 – 1:51 pm
Press Release
Feb. 12, 2009

Hillel@York, Hasbara@York and the Canadian Centre for Israel Activism, representing Jewish students at York University, strongly condemn the violent behavior and intimidation tactics targeting Jewish students that have taken place in the past 24 hours on campus.

For the second time in a week, Toronto police were called on campus as anti-Israel organizers isolated and threatened Jewish students. During a news conference held by a coalition of diverse students to impeach the York Federation of Students, anti-Israel organizers shut down the announcement, yelling anti-Semitic slurs and physically intimidating Jewish students. Shortly after, they barricaded Jewish students at Hilllel’s lounge on campus, continuing to threaten students. Toronto police officers escorted the students out of the office to ensure their safety.

Among the slurs shouted by those barricading Hillel’s office were “Die bitch, go back to Israel”, “Die Jew, get the hell off campus”, “F-king Jew” “racists off campus”.

Last week, police were called during a physical altercation by an anti-Israel activist.

“The climate on York’s campus of aggressive intimidation, violent rhetoric and physical harassment is unacceptable”, said Daniel Ferman, president of Hillel@York.

“The hostile environment demonstrates contempt for all students - not only to Jewish students, who are still trying to recover from a three month strike and for the university itself,” said Aaron Rosenberg.

cicweb.ca

370 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:42:02am

re: #346 Walter L. Newton

Ok, I made a mistake, I read deeper into the article. They made SCANS of the pages and then created a PDF of the scans, so actually the whole PDF is “pictures.”

And those, you cannot just run an easy search on. Looks like they’re trying to hide something.

371 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:42:16am

re: #349 Iron Fist

I don’t think Obama would cheat on his wife. That would seem to be out of character for him. OTOH, if you told me he snorted an eight-ball all by himself last night, it wouldn’t surprise me. Or any number of other things that he could/would do. I was surprised at the swiftness and scope of his, I don’t know what to call it, really, but outreach to terrorists? Appeasement? Something along those lines. That he would stop prosecution of the Cole bomber is wrong on so many levels. I had no doubt that Obama would try appeasement to see how that works on terrorists, but stopping prosecutions that were already in progress seems a little, no a lot over the top.

I said it at about his two week mark, that he wouldn’t be acting any different than how he is acting now if he were a closet terror-sympathizer. That looks even more correct with another week or ten days of actions to reflect on.

My bet is that he’s just getting started.

That would imply he possessed a set of balls, that has already been proven wrong.

372 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:42:17am

“This administration has made great progress”? How so?

373 Outrider  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:42:17am

re: #336 Walter L. Newton

That paragraph doesn’t make sense. You CAN search PDF files.

and the government does almost everything in that damn PDF format anyway.

Too bad a group of bloggers couldn’t get together, split the whole bill up among them and write about their particular portion. No one has time to read the entire bill ….. or search it.

374 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:42:17am

re: #368 mfarmer1

persian tea sucks… really!

375 vagabond trader  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:42:35am

re: #365 Nevergiveup

Better yet, community organizing. That’s just about his pay grade.

376 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:42:35am

re: #372 Nevergiveup

great progress backward

377 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:42:56am

“The Eleven”: Saudi Guantanamo Veterans Returning to the Fight

378 jester6  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:43:01am

re: #330 Killian Bundy

Wow. You really have to go out of your way to make a .pdf not searchable.

379 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:43:02am

re: #375 vagabond trader

he wouldn’t even be hired by me as my pet sitter

380 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:43:03am

re: #336 Walter L. Newton

That paragraph doesn’t make sense. You CAN search PDF files.

It should be up (searchable) at readthestimulus.org later today. Here’s what we’re up against in getting a searchable copy (from the Web site):


The total size of the four major files is over 100MB, and consists of 1419 pages. Three of the four files are huge “scanned” PDFs, meaning they were created by printing the original document and then scanning it in again —- and therefore contain no real “text” that can be easily searched. This will make our parsing process difficult and more time consuming, so we most likely won’t have our versions ready until midday tomorrow. But we’ll see…

Sneaky bastards.

381 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:43:19am

re: #350 Killian Bundy

And, they had to have done that ON PURPOSE. As far as I know, the government standard for documents is WORD (it was when I worked for the DOE) and you can take a WORD document and produce a PDF directly from it, a searchable PDF. And rather quickly.

They would have had to spend much more time scanning the pages, turning them into JPG’s or whatever, and then plucking them into a WORD document and THEN converting the whole thing.

382 pink freud  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:43:50am

Walter, he’s heading your way ….

Gibbs: The president will travel to Denver on Tuesday.

383 vagabond trader  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:43:57am

re: #379 winston06

Oh hell no, I love my critters. I suspect he does not like pets.

384 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:44:19am

re: #343 FrogMarch

No one in Congress is going to read the whole thing, let alone the summaries and/or budget projections. They’re going to a few hours (if that) and call it a day and vote. They’re going to spend hundreds of millions per second based on the length of the debate (if you can call it that since it is guaranteed that it will pass based on the # of Democrats in both House and Senate), and the slow slouch towards socialism will be passed with a shrug of the shoulders.

But it must be passed… the runaway pork trail must not be derailed.

385 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:45:09am
386 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:45:17am

re: #382 pink freud

Walter, he’s heading your way ….

Gibbs: The president will travel to Denver on Tuesday.

I know, and the talk is he will sign the stimulus bill here, in Denver.

387 jwb7605  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:45:21am

re: #368 mfarmer1

Obama will handle all of this nuclear bomb stuff will Iran over a couple of cups of Persian Chai huddled around a samovar with Dinnerjacket. Relax.

After the “no WMD found” issue (debacle?) after Iraq, I see absolutely zero chance of any country (especially the USA) doing squat to Iran until and unless they actually launch a nuke at somebody.

Dinnerjacket could show the nukes on TV, and there would be enough dissent that the world doesn’t have any “proof” to delay matters until things got half past too late.

388 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:45:35am

re: #386 Walter L. Newton

I know, and the talk is he will sign the stimulus bill here, in Denver.

Lucky you?

389 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:45:44am

re: #361 vagabond trader

I tuned in because someone here said he called O a liar, missed that part. He is really on o’s shit too.

390 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:45:56am

re: #352 jwb7605

Youtube Video

391 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:45:56am

re: #388 Nevergiveup

Lucky you?

FU /s

392 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:46:12am

re: #382 pink freud

Walter, he’s heading your way ….

Gibbs: The president will travel to Denver on Tuesday.

Returning to the scene of the crime is he?

393 tackle  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:46:15am

re: #330 Killian Bundy

Democrats Delay Bill Release to Conceal Details

/gee, if you were cynical, you’d think they were trying to hide something

If any of this garbage has a silver lining, it is that this charade by the Democrats (and innumerable things done by Obama) has compelled me to be entirely engaged in the political process. I have read part of this bill. It’s the first bill I’ve read in my life.
Oh, and you can get PDF search tools. I know that search engines can somehow read them, unless they’ve somehow disabled that. (I think if you go from text to image to PDF, you can.)

394 jcbunga  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:46:18am

Bumper sticker:
“Change—That’s all you’ll have left in your pocket”

395 mean Gene  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:46:31am

Reality is a bitch, isn’t it, 0bama?
He’s free to have his own opinions but he simply cannot have his own facts.
And now he’s learning that.

396 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:46:36am

re: #369 mj

This is a standard radical tactic, whatever the protest is originally about (in this case it was the recent strike) Islamist activists take it over and turn it into an anti-Jewish rally. A similar thing happened at U of T a few months ago during a peaceful protest over SAC fees. Islamists took over the protest and stormed an administration building targeting offices of Jewish staff members.

397 vagabond trader  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:46:59am

re: #389 turn

Yup, and commies no likey when the unwashed masses are onto them.

398 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:47:03am

Gibbs just said Obama and the CEO of Caterpillar said the same thing? What?

399 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:47:05am

re: #394 jcbunga

not after this bill is passed. it belongs to Obamble

400 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:47:09am

re: #394 jcbunga

Bumper sticker:
“Change—That’s all you’ll have left in your pocket”

I like “Hope was Hype”

401 DistantThunder  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:47:53am

re: #398 Nevergiveup

Gibbs just said Obama and the CEO of Caterpillar said the same thing? What?

You forgot to connect your Orwellian translator and take your Obot pills. Then it all sounds wonderful.

402 lurking faith  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:48:04am

re: #297 turn

Good point. What did you make of River Phoenix’s interview on Letterman? Was he acting or fall down stoned?

Didn’t River Phoenix die years ago?

403 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:48:32am

re: #400 turn

I like “Hope was Hype”

I said earlier, I have an overwhelming desire to go tape little “D’s” over the “H’s” in the damn “Hope” bumper stickers I see everywhere.

404 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:48:35am

I hate our lying MFM.

Finally… The Truth About the Islamist Defeat in the Anbar Elections

405 mean Gene  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:48:40am

Gibbs just won’t admit that what the CEO of Caterpillar said is true.
The reporter simply gave up.
We’re being treated to whatever it takes to give us all ”outrage fatigue.”
Then the real crap will be done by these creeps!

406 summergurl  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:48:41am

re: #386 Walter L. Newton

I know, and the talk is he will sign the stimulus bill here, in Denver.

Maybe they will setup those Greek columns again.

407 gearhead  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:48:48am

Ahh. the scales have fallen from Obama’s eyes. Decisive action is imminent*.

*Under new White House guidelines, “imminent” is officially defined as the period of time between ‘when pigs fly’ and ‘when hell freezes over’.

408 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:49:00am

re: #402 lurking faith

Didn’t River Phoenix die years ago?

Can’t Obama raise people? Didn’t he have a revival meeting the other day?

409 DistantThunder  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:49:31am

Clinton is coming after Rush. Don’t mess with Rush. He’s a tiger.

410 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:49:36am

Mickey Rourke is on PBS Charlie Rose… Good actor

411 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:49:41am

re: #405 mean Gene

Gibbs just won’t admit that what the CEO of Caterpillar said is true.
The reporter simply gave up.
We’re being treated to whatever it takes to give us all ”outrage fatigue.”
Then the real crap will be done by these creeps!

That was pretty amazing ha? The reporter was almost speechless.

412 DistantThunder  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:49:57am

re: #403 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I said earlier, I have an overwhelming desire to go tape little “D’s” over the “H’s” in the damn “Hope” bumper stickers I see everywhere.

Mr. DT said the same thing except with a Sharpie.

413 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:50:07am

Nonsensical headline of the day, courtesy of the NYT:

Hamas Says Cease-Fire Nears; Israel Demurs

Hamas and the terrorists have continued firing rockets and mortars at Israel virtually nonstop since the end of Operation Cast Lead, but now they say that they’re going to engage in a ceasefire? It will be nothing more than the last time (or any of the prior periods). It’s Israel ceases, Hamas fires. It’s a hudna where Hamas gets to regroup and rearm without worrying so much about Israel firing on them. Hamas gets the bonus of firing occasional kassams at Israel without worrying about reprisals, and the Israeli government goes along with this nonsense.

Yet, this time it looks like Israel isn’t going to be so easily suckered into playing this game again, but you can be sure that the US is strongarming Israel into doing just that - in the name of peace.

414 BruxellesBlog  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:50:10am

re: #370 Honorary Yooper

They made SCANS of the pages and then created a PDF of the scans, so actually the whole PDF is “pictures.”

And that is Change you can believe in, ain’t it. I think I’ll write a letter.

Dear Speaker Pelosi,

Lick my sack.

And I won’t scan it so it is easier to search.

XOXOXOX
Bruxellesblog

415 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:50:13am

Heh…..Rush just blew Jake Tapper’s career. He said he would support Tapper becoming the next Sam Donaldson.

416 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:50:14am
417 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:50:33am

re: #406 summergurl

Maybe they will setup those Greek columns again.

That’s at least a dozen new jobs right there!

418 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:50:33am

re: #333 Kenneth

it already does. Trust me, it is Gulag

419 gearhead  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:50:37am

re: #372 Nevergiveup

“This administration has made great progress”? How so?

It’s already produced two former Commerce Secretary nominees.

420 mean Gene  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:50:37am

re: #403 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I said earlier, I have an overwhelming desire to go tape little “D’s” over the “H’s” in the damn “Hope” bumper stickers I see everywhere.

Carry one of those permanent ink markers and add a capital “N” in front of the ”0bama” ones. LOL

421 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:50:42am

re: #397 vagabond trader

Yup, and commies no likey when the unwashed masses are onto them.

You see the woman’s rights activist get grilled by O’Reilly over his comment about Helen Thomas last night? That was fun to watch. These libs can’t handle the right wing pundits.

422 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:51:03am

re: #402 lurking faith

Didn’t River Phoenix die years ago?

Well, that explains it!

423 summergurl  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:51:04am

re: #405 mean Gene

Gibbs just won’t admit that what the CEO of Caterpillar said is true.
The reporter simply gave up.
We’re being treated to whatever it takes to give us all ”outrage fatigue.”
Then the real crap will be done by these creeps!


The reporter said ” I won’t belabor the point”, and he let it go…

You think he would have said that if Bush was President?

424 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:51:11am
425 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:51:17am

re: #409 DistantThunder

Clinton is coming after Rush. Don’t mess with Rush. He’s a tiger.

Didn’t Clinton learn his lesson the first time? The lesson that you don’t pick the fight with the man who owns the mircophone.

426 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:51:23am

re: #413 lawhawk

Same old Same old

427 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:51:24am
428 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:52:01am

I propose we call the “stimulus” bill the:
Spamulus porkage.
It is to stimulus what spam is to good meat. On second thought, that is unfair to spam.

429 DistantThunder  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:52:03am

re: #421 turn

You see the woman’s rights activist get grilled by O’Reilly over his comment about Helen Thomas last night? That was fun to watch. These libs can’t handle the right wing pundits.

That was so satisfying. He totally ripped her for hypocrisy and Palin.

430 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:52:03am

re: #425 Honorary Yooper

thats why Clinton wants to shut him down

431 Picayune  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:52:09am

re: #349 Iron Fist

“Remember the Cole!”

432 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:52:12am
433 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:52:14am

re: #384 lawhawk

No one in Congress is going to read the whole thing, let alone the summaries and/or budget projections. They’re going to a few hours (if that) and call it a day and vote. They’re going to spend hundreds of millions per second based on the length of the debate (if you can call it that since it is guaranteed that it will pass based on the # of Democrats in both House and Senate), and the slow slouch towards socialism will be passed with a shrug of the shoulders.

But it must be passed… the runaway pork trail must not be derailed.

The cool part for the Democrats is - when this thing becomes a colossal failure, they have a built-in excuse: “But … I… I… I…. didn’t have a chance to read it.”

434 vxbush  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:52:17am

You know, I’m trying to be charitable with Obama and his administration, and trying to not despite every inch of this man. I wish he would stop making it so darned hard!

435 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:52:18am

re: #402 lurking faith

Didn’t River Phoenix die years ago?

That was a doh, I meant Joaquin. Did you see the interview?

436 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:52:35am

re: #416 MandyManners

It was the Viper Room; and that part-owned by Johnny Depp at the time.

437 mean Gene  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:52:39am

I can’t believe how nice these ”reporters” are being to Gibbs considering he gives them nothing but pap!

438 jcbunga  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:52:39am

re: #419 gearhead

It’s already produced two former Commerce Secretary nominees.

now THIS is funny :)

439 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:52:51am

The vote is coming up in a few minutes. May want to assume a position - prayer or the other one.

440 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:52:59am

re: #434 vxbush

don’t be so charitable with him. They weren’t like that with Pres Bush

441 mean Gene  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:53:13am

re: #435 turn

That was a doh, I meant Joaquin. Did you see the interview?

You Tube had pulled it after 2 hours.
What happened?

442 vagabond trader  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:53:15am

re: #421 turn

Libs can dish it out but cannot take it.It’s written in their dna.

443 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:53:22am

re: #403 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I said earlier, I have an overwhelming desire to go tape little “D’s” over the “H’s” in the damn “Hope” bumper stickers I see everywhere.

Ha!

444 jester6  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:53:24am

re: #387 jwb7605

After the “no WMD found” issue (debacle?) after Iraq, I see absolutely zero chance of any country (especially the USA) doing squat to Iran until and unless they actually launch a nuke at somebody.

Dinnerjacket could show the nukes on TV, and there would be enough dissent that the world doesn’t have any “proof” to delay matters until things got half past too late.

I would agree with you if GWB were still president. But the left used that “no WMD found” as a club against Bush at it eventually become “bush lied people died.” I think Obama could do it if he were inclined.

Still, I think the only acceptable proof will be a smoking crater. I got a lot of down dings once when I directed people to an article I wrote 2 or 3 years ago arguing that Bush should do nothing to Iran. Not that I wanted to be able to say “I told you so”, but because I did not think he had another option and Europe was at more of a risk than the US.

445 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:53:25am

Is Obama gonna notify the units mobilized to go to Afghanistan personally? Should I wait near my phone?

446 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:53:48am
447 DistantThunder  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:53:49am

re: #425 Honorary Yooper

Didn’t Clinton learn his lesson the first time? The lesson that you don’t pick the fight with the man who owns the mircophone.

Clinton is still married to Hillary. How can he even be considered sane?

448 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:53:57am

re: #439 Bobibutu

The vote is coming up in a few minutes. May want to assume a position - prayer or the other one.

Bend over America, grab your ankles. Nancy has a plane to catch.

449 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:54:03am

re: #437 mean Gene

I can’t believe how nice these ”reporters” are being to Gibbs considering he gives them nothing but pap!

They layed down for his boss, why would they get tough with him?

450 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:54:12am
451 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:54:23am

Gregg will vote AGAINST the stimulus bill! HA HA

452 vxbush  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:54:26am

re: #440 winston06

don’t be so charitable with him. They weren’t like that with Pres Bush

But I don’t want to be like them.

453 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:54:57am
454 jwb7605  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:55:05am

re: #390 lawhawk


That pretty much sums it up!

455 jester6  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:55:20am

re: #411 Nevergiveup

What are you guys talking about?

456 brookly red  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:55:30am

re: #439 Bobibutu

The vote is coming up in a few minutes. May want to assume a position - prayer or the other one.

Friday the thirteenth, how ironic.

457 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:55:42am
458 HoosierHoops  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:55:50am

re: #434 vxbush

You know, I’m trying to be charitable with Obama and his administration, and trying to not despite every inch of this man. I wish he would stop making it so darned hard!

Hey VX..Hope you are well..It’s Friday afternoon! does it get any better?

459 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:55:55am

re: #424 MandyManners

Why? Tapper seems to have some hefty non-moonbat qualifications. What am I missing.


Tapper is one of the few in the MFM who will ask decent questions. This is specifically about Tapper asking a question about Obama claiming that the Caterpillar CEO said that if the stimulus bill is passed, Caterpillar would start rehiring. The Caterpillar CEO later said publicly that there would likely be more layoffs before any rehiring would occur.

Tapper was challenging Obama’s assertion.

460 Amer-I-Can  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:55:56am

re: #394 jcbunga

Bumper sticker:
“Change—That’s all you’ll have left in your pocket”

I saw one that said:
“I’ll keep my money, my freedom and my guns & you can keep the ‘change’”

I thought that was pretty good.

461 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:55:58am

re: #440 winston06

don’t be so charitable with him. They weren’t like that with Pres Bush

We usually treat people as we would like to be treated. As the left has treated people like jerks over the past eight years, turnabout is fair play, IMHO.

462 DistantThunder  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:56:07am

re: #456 brookly red

Friday the thirteenth, how ironic.

I feel sick for my children and grandchildren.

463 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:56:08am
464 tackle  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:56:09am

re: #367 turn

What was your take BTW?

Not sure, but probably bit of stoned mixed in with apathy.

465 Outrider  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:56:22am

re: #393 tackle

If any of this garbage has a silver lining, it is that this charade by the Democrats (and innumerable things done by Obama) has compelled me to be entirely engaged in the political process. I have read part of this bill. It’s the first bill I’ve read in my life.
Oh, and you can get PDF search tools. I know that search engines can somehow read them, unless they’ve somehow disabled that. (I think if you go from text to image to PDF, you can.)

I’m not sure what to think of this article. Looking on the official website, http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/Recovery_Bill_Div_A.pdf and using Safari, i was able to search for and find everything I tried. Am I missing something?

466 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:56:42am
467 rightside  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:56:47am

re: #459 eschew_obfuscation

I hope Jake is not a plumber, or has a tax lien on him…

468 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:57:12am

re: #455 jester6

What are you guys talking about?

The WH press conference was on FOX live- not anymore

469 jcbunga  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:57:17am

re: #460 Amer-I-Can

I saw one that said:
“I’ll keep my money, my freedom and my guns & you can keep the ‘change’”

I thought that was pretty good.


DC Gun Show this weekend…they usually have plenty of bumper stickers on sale…I’ll look for that one.

470 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:57:24am

re: #456 brookly red

Friday the thirteenth, how ironic.

We’re going to get slaughtered like camp counselors.

471 vagabond trader  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:57:31am

re: #467 rightside

Hey, good enough for our genius sec of treasury.

472 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:57:33am

re: #460 Amer-I-Can

I saw one that said:
“I’ll keep my money, my freedom and my guns & you can keep the ‘change’”

I thought that was pretty good.

The best one I saw was during the campaign. It said vote for Obama because liberty and freedom are way overrated.

473 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:57:34am
474 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:57:35am
475 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:57:46am
476 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:57:58am

re: #467 rightside

I hope Jake is not a plumber, or has a tax lien on him…

He’s already on Obama’s Oshit List. One must not ask hard and tough questions of The One.

477 lurking faith  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:58:16am

re: #346 Walter L. Newton

Ok, I made a mistake, I read deeper into the article. They made SCANS of the pages and then created a PDF of the scans, so actually the whole PDF is “pictures.”

That would explain why it tooks hours to make a pdf. Normally one simply takes a couple of mouse-clicks to select “Save as pdf”, and the job is done.

So yeah, that’ll have been done on purpose to make it unsearchable.

Hypocritical scum.

478 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:58:18am

re: #429 DistantThunder

That was so satisfying. He totally ripped her for hypocrisy and Palin.

That reminds me I also watched Blinky on Chrissie’s show last night. I think she made another gaffe about the number of workers loosing their jobs but I haven’t checked this out yet. I believe she said 600,000 people per month.

479 jester6  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:58:41am

re: #453 taxfreekiller

Law minds herein.

This “unseen” , “unread”, ” unknown” stimulus bill.

If passed without being read by those who vote for it, and each of them having sworn to uphold the Constitution and once the bill is known and it is clear parts of it are in direct conflict with the Constitution and the courts uphold that on the portions unread, unknown and unseen,

Are these acts by these Senators and Congressmen impeachable offenses under the law?

TFK -

Senators and Congressman are the ones who do the impeaching. And as far as I know there is no legal requirement that the Senators and Congressmen actually read the bill before voting.

So legally and practically speaking the answer is no.

Frankly, these guys are are doing things the founder probably never even imagined. Trying to rope them in with legal requirements is like fighting crime with gun control laws.

480 rightside  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:59:23am

re: #469 jcbunga

Damn! and I just got my refund too.

481 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:59:25am

re: #470 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

We’re going to get slaughtered like camp counselors.

So who’s Jason then? Pelosi or Obama?

482 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:59:34am
483 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:59:45am
484 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:59:49am
I saw one that said:
“I’ll keep my money, my freedom and my guns & you can keep the ‘change’”

I thought that was pretty good.

I work in DC, and whenever I pass by homeless people asking for change, I want to reply, “Why don’t you ask Obama for some change?!”

485 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:00:36am

re: #477 lurking faith

Never mind that you would have to know what you’re looking for in order to search for it. Otherwise you’re doing a page by page review of the mess.

BTW, I seem to recall that during the Patriot Act discussion there was an effort to break down the review and analysis section by section - farming out the work to bloggers who would then input their analysis in a coherent framework. Looks like that wont happen here because the speed at which this mess is being pushed through Congress.

486 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:00:46am

re: #430 winston06

I just checked out your blog. Very nice! I’ve bookmarked it & will be a regular visitor.

487 brookly red  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:00:52am

re: #481 Honorary Yooper

So who’s Jason then? Pelosi or Obama?

Obama, Pelosi is Freddy…

488 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:01:01am

re: #441 mean Gene

You Tube had pulled it after 2 hours.
What happened?

I didn’t know they pulled it. It was really bizarre, and very funny. He didn’t give anything more than a one word answer, if you could even understand what he was saying then. You should be able to find it somewhere on the web, well worth the watch. I think it was linked here yesterday.

489 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:01:07am

re: #462 DistantThunder

I feel sick for my children and grandchildren.

I have my issues and I deal with them as best I can. But this latest has uncovered such massive hatred, revulsion and disgust that was buried within me, I am presently in overwhelm.

490 BruxellesBlog  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:01:16am

re: #425 Honorary Yooper

Didn’t Clinton learn his lesson the first time? The lesson that you don’t pick the fight with the man who owns the mircophone.

It’s called “net neutrality”. Don’t worry, he won’t have the mic for much longer. It will be ‘balanced’ like Air America and NPR from this point forward. And be sure to drink the nice Lime Kool-aid too.

491 jcw46  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:01:48am

Imadinnerjacket SAID they weren’t going to build bombs!1111

Who are you going to believe, National security analysts or those nice Persians who’ve been trying to conquer Europe for, oh I dunno, 5,000 years?

492 dhg4  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:02:03am

re: #248 MandyManners

Nonsense. Would McCain have taken over the Census Department? Reinstated the Fairness Doctrine? Shoveled billions of dollars to ACORN?

In 1992, I voted for Clinton, thinking, in part that President Bush 41 wasn’t so conservative. I wouldn’t make that mistake again. And I think that McCain has more conservative leanings than Bush 41.

You are correct.

493 seekeroftruth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:02:25am

via the corner:

Steny Hoyer, a few minutes ago on the House floor:

I would hope that every member on this floor, of whatever party, of whatever ideological persuasion, would pray that this bill works. Not for political purposes, because if this bill works we will create those three and a half million jobs. Am I absolutely sure that it will? I am not. I regret that I am not.


Then why the hell are any of these Congresspeople voting on this stinker?……grrr. It’s going cause a huge loss of jobs IMHO.

494 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:02:32am

re: #459 eschew_obfuscation

Tapper is one of the few in the MFM who will ask decent questions. This is specifically about Tapper asking a question about Obama claiming that the Caterpillar CEO said that if the stimulus bill is passed, Caterpillar would start rehiring. The Caterpillar CEO later said publicly that there would likely be more layoffs before any rehiring would occur.

Tapper was challenging Obama’s assertion.

My earlier point was that an endorsement from Rush could kill an MFM reporter’s career…… that’s just not the way to be popular among moonbats.

495 Amer-I-Can  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:02:57am

re: #491 jcw46

Imadinnerjacket SAID they weren’t going to build bombs!1111

Who are you going to believe, National security analysts or those nice Persians who’ve been trying to conquer Europe for, oh I dunno, 5,000 years?

Don’t you know? They are just misunderstood is all…

/sarc

496 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:02:58am
Obama’s nominee to serve as CIA director, Leon E. Panetta, left little doubt about his view last week when he testified on Capitol Hill. “From all the information I’ve seen,” Panetta said, “I think there is no question that they are seeking that capability.”

I would love to see what Panetta said when the the IE Report (I beleive) came out under Bush, claiming that Iran had abandoned its program. I remember this being used to beat President Bush about the face and shoulders.
And now this fuck says ‘there is no question’…….?
How do these bastards get up and look at themselves in the mirror in the morning.
Does being held accountable for your words mean anything anymore?
Are Democrats….any of them….even vaguely acquainted with the words honor and good faith…….

I am so fucking disgusted…….

497 gearhead  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:03:01am

re: #475 MandyManners

We don’t have to be as nasty as they were nor do we have to lie like they did. A constant application of polite power can work.

Spot on. I have heard several local republicans (incl. me) say essentially the same thing. I don’t agree with him. I didn’t vote for him. But I’m not going to go around like a petulant child saying that he isn’t my president.

OTOH, based on the first 30 days, the ‘10 mid-terms ought to be a little more enjoyable than ‘06.

498 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:03:02am

re: #481 Honorary Yooper

So who’s Jason then? Pelosi or Obama?

Obama is Jason; Pelosi is Jason’s mother, like the first Friday the 13th

499 jcbunga  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:03:11am

re: #480 rightside

Damn! and I just got my refund too.

With NRA Headquarters up the road, I expect they’ll be handing out ammunition this year :)

500 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:04:24am

re: #464 tackle

Not sure, but probably bit of stoned mixed in with apathy.

Do you snort that or what?
/
BBL - Must . Eat. Food.

501 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:04:26am

re: #462 DistantThunder

I feel sick for my children and grandchildren.

Those of us in CA get a extra special screwing. Proposed $0.12 gas tax increase, doubling of auto registration fees and a “little” upthrust of our state income tax rates.

Reno is looking pretty good.

502 midwestgak  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:04:26am

Tax Cuts Procedural Vote happening now.; Final Vote Next C-SPAN

503 jester6  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:04:35am

re: #469 jcbunga

They don’t really have a gun show in DC do they? Is it in Virginia and named by someone with a sense of humor.

504 mj  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:04:38am

re: #486 Kenneth

I just checked out your blog. Very nice! I’ve bookmarked it & will be a regular visitor.

I’ll second that!

505 mean Gene  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:04:47am

re: #491 jcw46

Imadinnerjacket SAID they weren’t going to build bombs!1111

Who are you going to believe, National security analysts or those nice Persians who’ve been trying to conquer Europe for, oh I dunno, 5,000 years?

He, it’s partly true.
North Korea is building the actual bombs.
All Iran has to do is put their nuclear payload inside and send them on their merry ways.

506 rightside  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:05:18am

re: #499 jcbunga

I would hope so, but our doggie just cost me my new firearm. :-(

507 midwestgak  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:05:20am

$787 Billion in Spending & Tax Cuts. At least that’s the amount they are willing to admit.

508 justabill  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:05:28am

re: #203 summergurl

What the heck is wrong with people?

Games where the object is to rape women?
Amazon Bans Game

A doctor who implants embryos in a woman without a job and husband?

People like the McDonald’s guy at BO’s town hall forum - who obviously needs someone to make sure he takes his meds?

A President elected by being propped up by the MSM who did not disclose all they knew about his past associations or refused to investigate?

One after another Presidential nominees being tax cheats? With the guy that oversees the IRS being one of the worst? And yet he still gets elected because he is truly sorry and learned from his mistake?


Is it fluoride in our water? Chemicals on our foods? What has turned our brains to mush and our spines to jelly?

Having an ARGH! moment this afternoon.

Its all part of Hulu’s plan….

509 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:05:47am

re: #475 MandyManners

We don’t have to be as nasty as they were nor do we have to lie like they did. A constant application of polite power can work.

But we do need to add the words radical and extremist into every description of every democratic program and policy. Wiht enough repetition it will sink in. So far its only been the left that’s made effective use of these terms……..
We can do it politely, but firmly.

510 Outrider  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:06:02am

re: #496 LGoPs

I would love to see what Panetta said when the the IE Report (I beleive) came out under Bush, claiming that Iran had abandoned its program. I remember this being used to beat President Bush about the face and shoulders.
And now this fuck says ‘there is no question’…….?
How do these bastards get up and look at themselves in the mirror in the morning.
Does being held accountable for your words mean anything anymore?
Are Democrats….any of them….even vaguely acquainted with the words honor and good faith…….

I am so fucking disgusted…….

the same way they did an about face concerning WMD under Clinton then shifted when Bush was President. They were in favor of invading Iraq, then denied it. But….YouTube and bloggers were thee. ;-)>

511 witness  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:06:18am

Is this going down to defeat? Looks so? Wow Dear Leader taking a slapping!

512 jwb7605  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:06:45am

re: #507 midwestgak

$787 Billion in Spending & Tax Cuts. At least that’s the amount they are willing to admit.

What I’m waiting for are the “supplementals” for the programs that obviously are underfunded. We should see that starting about July.

513 mean Gene  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:07:00am

Republicans are complaining that the House Democratic leadership hasn’t abided by an agreement that the whole House agreed to, that is, that the legislation would be available on-line for 48 hours after the bill was filed before a vote.

The bill is 1,000 pages long and it was evidently placed on-line late last night.

Where? I just googled and couldn’t find it.

514 vagabond trader  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:07:12am

re: #501 Bobibutu

We’re getting the same in CT.All professional license fees will go up and they won’t even bother telling us like they did the last time.

515 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:07:21am

re: #511 witness

Is this going down to defeat? Looks so? Wow Dear Leader taking a slapping!

Is what going down to defeat?

516 rightside  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:07:27am

re: #503 jester6

Held at the Dulles Expo in Chantilly, VA

517 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:07:49am

re: #503 jester6

They don’t really have a gun show in DC do they? Is it in Virginia and named by someone with a sense of humor.

I never take weapons to movie theaters or when I travel to D.C.

518 mean Gene  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:07:53am

Just the procedural vote before the REAL vote.

519 witness  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:08:14am

CSPAN live vote on Scamulus package. 129 Nay to 88 Yea so far…

520 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:08:21am

re: #493 seekeroftruth

Then why the hell are any of these Congresspeople voting on this stinker?……grrr. It’s going cause a huge loss of jobs IMHO.

/the least they could do would be to take the time to actually read it

521 witness  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:09:13am

Sorry, this is the procedural vote. My bad…

522 vxbush  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:09:14am

I am so effing depressed today. No amount of chocolate is going to fix it.

523 jester6  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:09:20am

re: #477 lurking faith

That would explain why it tooks hours to make a pdf. Normally one simply takes a couple of mouse-clicks to select “Save as pdf”, and the job is done.

So yeah, that’ll have been done on purpose to make it unsearchable.

Hypocritical scum.

I think they ran out of time.

I just searched a .pdf of the bill. It looks like they scanned the documents because it was partly marked up by hand. It is infact searchable, but it looks like they ran out of time to type up the markups and created searchable .pdfs from the scans.

appropriations.house.gov
appropriations.house.gov

524 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:09:34am

re: #514 vagabond trader

We’re getting the same in CT.All professional license fees will go up and they won’t even bother telling us like they did the last time.

When will their collective arrogance and disregard of those they represent move us to action?

525 jcbunga  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:10:14am

re: #503 jester6

They don’t really have a gun show in DC do they? Is it in Virginia and named by someone with a sense of humor.

Radio ads and chatter call it DC, but it’s officially “The Nation’s Gun Show”:
thenationsgunshow.com

The last gun show in DC itself was the Grand Review by the Army of the Potomac.

526 vagabond trader  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:10:21am

re: #509 LGoPs

Hi Lg….

Well, I did not swear a fealty oath to The Obama or any other dirty politician.He is OUR employee and I will slam him for every lousy Marxist policy he attempts to implement.I am loyal to my country, period. My only comment on him personally is Trinity United, 20 years.

527 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:10:23am

re: #486 Kenneth

thnx

528 seekeroftruth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:10:26am

re: #520 Killian Bundy

/the least they could do would be to take the time to actually read it

Exactly.

529 Intifan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:11:02am

Totally o.t. BUT, I was reading through one of my textbooks (in the chapter titled “What Counts As Evidence”) and what do I see but a screen shot (and an old one at that) of the throbbing memo post! Yup, LGF is mentioned in my textbook. They ask funny questions about it like: “Do you find Johnson’s evidence convincing? Has he found a smoking gun, or would you want more data before agreeing that the case against the documents has reached a critical mass?” I can’t tell you how excited I am to have a little bit of LFG in my textbook, it’s almost enough to make up for the rest of the class.

530 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:11:15am

re: #452 vxbush

We need to be like them to be able to win. The next 4 yrs can be our training fields.

531 vagabond trader  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:12:04am

re: #524 Bobibutu

Not holding my breath here.This porkpak has scraps for almost everyone, thus we will all become complicit in its legacy. Just the way it was planned I’m afraid.

532 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:13:03am

re: #506 rightside

I would hope so, but our doggie just cost me my new firearm. :-(

Uh, Oh…… what happened to the puppie?

533 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:14:43am

re: #522 vxbush

I am so effing depressed today. No amount of chocolate is going to fix it.

{vxbush}

534 mfarmer1  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:15:08am

re: #387 jwb7605

After the “no WMD found” issue (debacle?) after Iraq, I see absolutely zero chance of any country (especially the USA) doing squat to Iran until and unless they actually launch a nuke at somebody.

Dinnerjacket could show the nukes on TV, and there would be enough dissent that the world doesn’t have any “proof” to delay matters until things got half past too late.

Worse. After Manhattan goes mushroom and Dinnerjacket takes responsibility to help speed up the return of the 13th Imam before Tehran turns to glass, the Troofers would say that it was a controlled demolition carried out by Neocons and that radiation levels are not consistent with actual nuclear fallout. CNN I-reporters would confirm this by showing experiments carried out from their bathtubs.

535 jcw46  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:15:55am

re: #497 gearhead

Spot on. I have heard several local republicans (incl. me) say essentially the same thing. I don’t agree with him. I didn’t vote for him. But I’m not going to go around like a petulant child saying that he isn’t my president.

OTOH, based on the first 30 days, the ‘10 mid-terms ought to be a little more enjoyable than ‘06.


I can understand your point and I’m not about to go putting bumper stickers on my car saying; “He’s Not MY President” and such. However, I didn’t vote for this dolt, I even voted for a person I distrust but who has proven to actually care about the country thus I feel that

HE’S NOT MY PRESIDENT!

How many others will begin to be uncomfortable about saying the opposite in 6 months. Then is when we’ll have to harden our hearts cause they’ll be pleading that they made a mistake and can’t we forgive them. I say NO.

To the Media: You helped rig the election, you can’t decide now that was a mistake and that you’ll be truthful and ask the hard questions NOW. You got him elected, you’re responsible for his mess. We don’t believe you anymore.

To the RINOs: You never were conservatives and at the first chance you show your true colors. Stick with the party you’re infatuated with don’t lie to others let alone yourself. We don’t believe you anymore

I have my doubts that Steele has the vision, the will and the political power to oust every non-republican republican or counteract the lying media but that’s what has to be done before any campaigning can be effective.

536 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:16:27am

re: #531 vagabond trader

Not holding my breath here.This porkpak has scraps for almost everyone, thus we will all become complicit in its legacy. Just the way it was planned I’m afraid.

I’ve seen NOTHING in this bill that put a single penny in my pocket or helps my situation out at all. Which is fine with me.

That’s where a lot of people are going to get surprised.

537 tackle  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:18:35am

re: #465 Outrider

I’m not sure what to think of this article. Looking on the official website, http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/Recovery_Bill_ Div_A.pdf and using Safari, i was able to search for and find everything I tried. Am I missing something?

I could search it, too. Perhaps they were just trying to slow things down, as it’s probably more cumbersome to search, copy and cite things from a pdf than it is from html text. Or it might be much ado about nothing.

538 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:18:48am

re: #520 Killian Bundy

/the least they could do would be to take the time to actually read it

That’s above their pay grade. They do what the 0ne and Pelosi tell them to do.

539 midwestgak  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:19:15am

Actual vote happening now. No republicans have voted YEA yet. How many independent votes are there now?

540 HippieforLife  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:20:54am

re: #398 Nevergiveup

He is still repeating the lie?

541 lurking faith  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:22:56am

re: #464 tackle

Not sure, but probably bit of stoned mixed in with apathy.

Jimmy Kimmel was a guest on William Shatner’s talk show, and he discussed how some celebrities seem to think they don’t need to show up sober and ready to work when they’re a talk show guest.

542 witness  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:24:44am

Well so much for our future (my retirement age has just been raised to 85).
Notice 1 Present vote (guess practicing to be next POTUS?)

543 vagabond trader  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:25:33am

re: #536 Walter L. Newton

Walter, if your community gets money from the porkpak, you’re part of it. Like it or not. Believe me, I don’t like it either.

544 SummerSong  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:26:31am

I see CA sales taxes are going up, again. We’ll be at just about 10% now. $10 for every $100 I spend. Great…

545 Jack Burton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:28:30am

re: #508 justabill

Its all part of Hulu’s plan….

“You are worthress Arec Bardwin, worthress Arec Bardwin…”

546 gearhead  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:35:51am

re: #535 jcw46

I may indeed be in your camp in 6 months. Obama’s first month has been unimpressive to say the least. I guess what I’m trying to get at is that, as an American, I want his to be successful in the same sense that I want every President to be successful - in terms of the long-term well-being of the country and not just in getting a certain agenda passed. That said, as a Republican, I also feel a responsibility to speak out and oppose policies that I think are wrong. I think it’s possible to do so without looking like a BDS-stricken moonbat.

547 gearhead  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:38:44am

re: #535 jcw46

…and just to be clear, I’m not in any way suggesting that you resemble one of the BDS crowd. You are a fellow lizard, after all.

548 gearhead  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:39:19am

I killed the frappin’ thread, didn’t I.

549 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:40:52am

re: #522 vxbush

I am so effing depressed today. No amount of chocolate is going to fix it.

I had such a need of chocolate last night, and no chocolate in the house.
Or, wait - yes there was.
A can of chocolate cake icing.
I opened it and just started taking spoonsful of the stuff.
That’s when you know you’re desperate.

550 Canoe Train  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:41:02am

re: #297 turn

I would not be surprised in the least to learn that this stunt was a publicity stunt. I mean, here we are talking about it.

551 A.W.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:42:12am

Okay now, guys, it is time to suck it up and be the patriots that the left weren’t for the past 8 years. Applied to this circumstance, this what it means. Even though Obama richly deserves derision for putting down the threat all those years, we cannot punish him for recognizing it now. Instead we should say, a la Bruce Willis in Die Hard when he finally got the police’s attention: Welcome to the party!

Welcome to the party, Obama. And at this party we recognize that Iran is getting nukes so it can wipe isreal off the map, and possibly flatten manhatten. That means you can’t let them have nukes.

And in case anyone asks, the reason we can have nukes, isreal can have nukes, but iran can’t is: because lunatics are not in charge of the other two countries.

552 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:44:49am

Take a little trip in the Obama Time Machine.

Israel is teenie - and Helen Thomas is worried. How does that factor in?

553 HippieforLife  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:49:58am

re: #493 seekeroftruth

“Pray” it will work! This is a business plan?

After all the crap that the dems have thrown at Republicans about being stupid dolts, I wonder if they have ever actually listened to their own brain trust.

The O and this congress are probably the best snake-oil salesman in the histor of man. They should be so proud. Gag!

554 gatorbait  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:51:28am

re comment #193, deleted.

Sorry if the comment offended. It was intended in irony.

555 mirage  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:59:45pm

re: #310 jester6

Politics aside, an angry Michelle Obama would be very scary amusing/entertaining.

(break out the popcorn and watch the veins pop)

Fixed

556 Ben Hur  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:19:09pm

This is absolutely infuriating.

This is the “how could this happen?”

I’m writing off Jewish Democrats.

As an American Jew, and as an Israeli, I lay much of the blame at their doorstep.

557 mirage  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:36:00pm

re: #537 tackle

I could search it, too. Perhaps they were just trying to slow things down, as it’s probably more cumbersome to search, copy and cite things from a pdf than it is from html text. Or it might be much ado about nothing.

Downloaded both Division A and Division B Bill Texts, opened with Acrobat and had no trouble searching the text. I couldn’t find the Sec. 1607 that was quoted, after 1604 it goes to 1701. Not sure if I’m looking at the same thing that they were in the article.

Regardless, it’s a crap bill and I bet not a single one of the people voting for this POS actually read the damn thing from end to end.

558 Ron Shaw  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:52:45pm

You don’t say!

‘Development’ vs. ‘pursuit.’

‘Development’ evidently is much too strong in that it implies action while ‘pursuit’ can be seen as a more passive in an idea driven way rather than an active or on-going reality. Or, as my wife has explained it, ‘standing at the alter was a development, asking me out on a first date was a pursuit!’ Women are very intelligent and especially where semantics are concerned. They tend to be non-PC post ‘I do’, as well.

No matter how PC or liberal Obama is, Iran is ‘developing’ nuclear weaponry and freedom loving countries of the world should be actively trying to stop the development. If it were only a ‘pursuit’ by Iran, collectively, we could continue to rest our heads beneath the cool sands of assdumb bliss.

559 So?  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:59:19pm

All talk, no action. That goes for the (past & present) White House to the lame media reports to the lame politicians around the world who still insist that Elvis is alive. Unfortunately, the dreaded day will come when iran nukes Israel or some American city. Then all those who have any power to stop this thing right now, this very minute, will point fingers at each other saying you/we coulda, shoulda, woulda. It’s like a bad ayatollah roadrunner cartoon.

560 So?  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 2:04:00pm

It’s time for IRAN to be taken down a few notches. Their imams and dinnerjackoffs have been permitted to blather lies and nonsense for far too long. What’s even more idiotic is that the MSM press prints and reports every word of it.

561 So?  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 2:05:57pm

re: #275 taxfreekiller

Obama knows what got him to where he is, he will continue to use the same methods he has in the past.

1. He lies.
2. He cheats.
3. He misuses political power.
4. He throws any one he needs to under the bus.

I’ve been wondering about this for a long time, is it the same bus, or does Obama have a fleet of buses at his disposal?

562 gatorbait  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 5:00:57pm

re: #288 jester6

Obama’s got bad juju.

If Islamic extremists get their hands on a suitcase bomb, we will have have more than some bad juju, bubba. We will be DEAD.


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