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It is as if man had been suddenly appointed managing director of the biggest business of all, the business of evolution — appointed without being asked if he wanted it, and without proper warning and preparation. What is more, he can’t refuse the job. Whether he wants to or not, whether he is conscious of what he is doing or not, he is in point of fact determining the future direction of evolution on this earth. That is his inescapable destiny, and the sooner he realizes it and starts believing in it, the better for all concerned.

— Julian Huxley

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1 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:14:23pm

That's a scary statement, and its also entirely true. Well chosen as always, Charles.

2 freetoken  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:15:52pm

If we could manage evolution, we'd invent cocoa butter that had no calories.

3 Bagua  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:18:02pm


Gi mi Dat

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4 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:19:07pm

Scott Brown just let a whole lot of Dems who voted for 0bamacare (and are now having buyer's remorse) off the hook big-time.

5 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:19:59pm

Vonnegut called humankind "an avalanche of hot meat that eats everything in sight, makes love, and then doubles in size."

We can't even manage our blind selves. Good luck managing the rest of it.

6 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:20:53pm

I see writing "Obama" with a zero is still considered the height of clever in some circles.

7 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:21:16pm

re: #4 Fenway_Nation

Scott Brown just let a whole lot of Dems who voted for 0bamacare (and are now having buyer's remorse) off the hook big-time.

From your lips to God's ears, Fenway.

8 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:25:45pm

re: #6 Cato the Elder

I see writing "Obama" with a zero is still considered the height of clever in some circles.

Yes, some are still angry they can no longer refer to him as "Fucking Commie Bastard Barack Hussein Obama" here.

9 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:27:03pm

re: #6 Cato the Elder

I see writing "Obama" with a zero is still considered the height of clever in some circles.

What else could you call him but a zero tonight, Cato. For the second time in 3 months, Obama went out in support of a lousy candidate in a Deep Blue State, got up on the podium and spouted his hopeychange, and then the state's voters decided to elect the Republican. Obama isn't demonstrating any coattails effect right now and that makes him look like a zero.

10 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:27:23pm

re: #6 Cato the Elder

re: #8 iceweasel


Well....I tried 'Hussein Dolt' and that got nuked for some reason.

11 Silvergirl  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:27:28pm

The answer is nowhere.

12 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:27:33pm

re: #8 iceweasel

You're baiting, ice. Please don't do that.

13 Silvergirl  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:29:01pm

The question is

"If the Democrats can't win in a state they carried by 26 points in 2008, then they have to ask themselves: Where in the world is it safe to be a Democrat running for federal office in 2010?

"If the Democrats can't win in a state they carried by 26 points in 2008, then they have to ask themselves: Where in the world is it safe to be a Democrat running for federal office in 2010?" said Bill McInturff, a Republican pollster whose firm worked with the Brown campaign. "The answer is nowhere."

--LA Times story

14 cliffster  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:29:11pm

Fucking Commie Bastard Ice Hussein Weasel

15 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:29:15pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

What else could you call him but a zero tonight, Cato. For the second time in 3 months, Obama went out in support of a lousy candidate in a Deep Blue State, got up on the podium and spouted his hopeychange, and then the state's voters decided to elect the Republican. Obama isn't demonstrating any coattails effect right now and that makes him look like a zero.

Yeah.

Coattails.

Like Dubya's in 2006, you mean.

Well, it's all good. I'll just go back to writing "Bu$h" until everyone calms down.

16 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:30:52pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

You're baiting, ice. Please don't do that.

I'm not, DF. Charles has said at least once before that he doesn't personally like it when people use 0 in Obama's name.
He hasn't put the hammer down yet about it, but I think he would if it became more prevalent here.
And it's nothing to do with liking or disliking Obama, so far as I am aware, but about respecting the office.

17 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:30:56pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

What else could you call him but a zero tonight, Cato. For the second time in 3 months, Obama went out in support of a lousy candidate in a Deep Blue State, got up on the podium and spouted his hopeychange, and then the state's voters decided to elect the Republican. Obama isn't demonstrating any coattails effect right now and that makes him look like a zero.

Hmm...wasn't this supposed to be a referendum on the president and his agenda? I mean that's what Gibbs and MSNBC were telling us last week when they announced that the (insert witty monicker for the President that's Cato and Iceweasel approved here --> _____) was gambling his agenda and credibility on the outcome of this race. Was he actually campaigning for Brown the whole time?

18 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:31:08pm

re: #14 cliffster

Puling Milksop Twistknickers Cliffster Red Dog Butthead.

There, can we call it a draw now?

19 Silvergirl  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:31:20pm

re: #15 Cato the Elder

Yeah.

Coattails.

Like Dubya's in 2006, you mean.

Well, it's all good. I'll just go back to writing "Bu$h" until everyone calms down.

Did you used to write Bu$h? That must have been before my time. You're a caution. What a rascal. A big Sarah Palin wink atcha.

20 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:31:40pm

re: #15 Cato the Elder

Yeah.

Coattails.

Like Dubya's in 2006, you mean.

Well, it's all good. I'll just go back to writing "Bu$h" until everyone calms down.

No skin off my firm and toned ass- he's not running for office anytime soon.

21 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:31:44pm

re: #14 cliffster

See, that IS an example of baiting.

22 cliffster  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:32:58pm

re: #14 cliffster

Fucking Commie Bastard Ice Hussein Weasel

I'll withdraw that post. I thought ice's post was a little over the top, so I was trying to do likewise humorously, but it comes across as just mean. Apologies.

23 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:32:58pm

re: #15 Cato the Elder

Yeah.

Coattails.

Like Dubya's in 2006, you mean.

Well, it's all good. I'll just go back to writing "Bu$h" until everyone calms down.

The difference in 2006 was that Bush didn't really try. He wasn't really working to retain his majority, he was largely drifting until "the thumpin" woke him up. Obama and the White House made a decent investment of political capital in Martha Cokely, and that capital was expended for no gain. All it accomplished was to make Obama look like a loser.

24 Silvergirl  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:33:27pm

re: #21 iceweasel

See, that IS an example of baiting.

But then it becomes a "she started it" defense.

25 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:34:31pm

re: #21 iceweasel

See, that IS an example of baiting.

Baiting?
And this coming from the master of baiting.

/channeling my inner 10th grader

26 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:35:45pm

re: #24 Silvergirl

But then it becomes a "she started it" defense.

Naturally.
These are the facts: Charles put down the hammer on references to Obama as 'FCB'.
He's also stated that he doesn't like the 0 appellation.
Probably a good idea to avoid using it.

27 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:38:18pm

Oh Irony of Ironies.....the daily Springfield, MA paper endorsed Martha Coakley.

That paper's name? The Springfield Republican

28 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:38:31pm

Good evening folks. Have been up-dinging rather than commenting on the MA upset tonight due to the fact that an overwhelming desire to finish up itemizing my 2009 taxes randomly came up. Rather than delay the inevitable 1040 duty, the last 4 hours of my life (that I shall never get back) was spent with piles of receipts, a calculator, a dozen manila envelopes, and 1/8 of the ink in a bic pen! For the entire duration, LFG and clementines have been my only relief; reading my fellow lizards rant and rave (while high on vitamin C) has made a dull task ever so more bearable. For this, I am grateful.

Re: tonight's topic- My thoughts are that it will be a short-term disaster for the Dems, but will actually be a blessing in disguise for the nation at large, as a better health care bill is the likely result. Moreover, GOP overreach is much more likely in November as a result of this unusual upset. Anybody feel the same way?

29 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:38:37pm

re: #25 Fenway_Nation

Baiting?
And this coming from the master of baiting.

/channeling my inner 10th grader

Now, now....we'll wind up having a conversation about which of us is the master baiter.
/ With you and SB here, lord knows where it could lead....
(this is a joke.)

30 Silvergirl  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:39:13pm

re: #26 iceweasel

Naturally.
These are the facts: Charles put down the hammer on references to Obama as 'FCB'.
He's also stated that he doesn't like the 0 appellation.
Probably a good idea to avoid using it.

Ice, I believe it's a wretched thing to do to say "some" when you and everyone knows you mean "Mandy." You didn't even need to bring that up. I think it was just rubbing salt, wasn't it?

31 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:39:54pm

A further observation about Obama's support of Corzine and Cokely:

In both case Obama expended enough political capital to hurt if the Dem lost, but not enough to really influence the outcome of the election. Moral of the story: Go in hard, or stay home. Either make major appearances before the last minute and get you people on the ground early or don't bother showing up at all. Either fight to win or do not engage.

32 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:40:38pm

re: #28 Surabaya Stew

Good evening folks. Have been up-dinging rather than commenting on the MA upset tonight due to the fact that an overwhelming desire to finish up itemizing my 2009 taxes randomly came up. Rather than delay the inevitable 1040 duty, the last 4 hours of my life (that I shall never get back) was spent with piles of receipts, a calculator, a dozen manila envelopes, and 1/8 of the ink in a bic pen! For the entire duration, LFG and clementines have been my only relief; reading my fellow lizards rant and rave (while high on vitamin C) has made a dull task ever so more bearable. For this, I am grateful.

Re: tonight's topic- My thoughts are that it will be a short-term disaster for the Dems, but will actually be a blessing in disguise for the nation at large, as a better health care bill is the likely result. Moreover, GOP overreach is much more likely in November as a result of this unusual upset. Anybody feel the same way?

Yep. Too soon to say, though, I think. Also, I never underestimate the capacity of the Dems to shoot themselves in the foot-- or each other.
Congrats on finishing your taxes!

33 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:41:17pm

re: #30 Silvergirl

Ice, I believe it's a wretched thing to do to say "some" when you and everyone knows you mean "Mandy." You didn't even need to bring that up. I think it was just rubbing salt, wasn't it?

Nope. And she was not the only one using that appellation.

34 cliffster  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:41:41pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

That's a good policy in general, but a lousy way to win Nobel Peace Prizes

35 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:42:23pm

re: #22 cliffster

I'll withdraw that post. I thought ice's post was a little over the top, so I was trying to do likewise humorously, but it comes across as just mean. Apologies.

Thank you.

36 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:42:30pm

re: #28 Surabaya Stew

Good evening folks. Have been up-dinging rather than commenting on the MA upset tonight due to the fact that an overwhelming desire to finish up itemizing my 2009 taxes randomly came up. Rather than delay the inevitable 1040 duty, the last 4 hours of my life (that I shall never get back) was spent with piles of receipts, a calculator, a dozen manila envelopes, and 1/8 of the ink in a bic pen! For the entire duration, LFG and clementines have been my only relief; reading my fellow lizards rant and rave (while high on vitamin C) has made a dull task ever so more bearable. For this, I am grateful.

Re: tonight's topic- My thoughts are that it will be a short-term disaster for the Dems, but will actually be a blessing in disguise for the nation at large, as a better health care bill is the likely result. Moreover, GOP overreach is much more likely in November as a result of this unusual upset. Anybody feel the same way?

Maybe to both of those things. A better bill is a possible result, but so is no bill at all now. And you're right about the overreach, but the GOP can combat that by wise actions. We'll have to see. But your points are sound and your analysis good.

37 Bagua  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:42:40pm

re: #8 iceweasel

Yes, some are still angry they can no longer refer to him as "Fucking Commie Bastard Barack Hussein Obama" here.

Wait... you just did.

38 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:43:25pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Bar Patron #1: Amazing how much time and effort the president has put into that huge disaster.

Bar Patron #2: Whea'? Haiti?

Bar Patron #1: No...Mahtha Coakley's campaign!

39 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:44:07pm

re: #34 cliffster

That's a good policy in general, but a lousy way to win Nobel Peace Prizes

I'd rather act effectively than win awards. But then again, that's why I'm in sales not politics.

40 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:44:32pm

re: #38 Fenway_Nation

Bar Patron #1: Amazing how much time and effort the president has put into that huge disaster.

Bar Patron #2: Whea'? Haiti?

Bar Patron #1: No...Mahtha Coakley's campaign!

Loves it!

41 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:44:33pm

re: #37 Bagua

Wait... you just did.

That'd be an example of the use/mention distinction.

42 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:46:01pm

re: #33 iceweasel

Nope. And she was not the only one using that appellation.

Well, I used it too, though without the 'F', since I don't use that word in such a casual way. But it was a cheapshot and I've since stopped doing it.

43 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:46:20pm

re: #17 Fenway_Nation

(insert witty monicker for the President that's Cato and Iceweasel approved here --> ___)

How about you just call him "Obama" and let your words express what you think of him?

I know it's late at night and brainwork is hard, but this is a word-based medium.

44 Bob Dillon  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:46:42pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

A further observation about Obama's support of Corzine and Cokely:

In both case Obama expended enough political capital to hurt if the Dem lost, but not enough to really influence the outcome of the election. Moral of the story: Go in hard, or stay home. Either make major appearances before the last minute and get you people on the ground early or don't bother showing up at all. Either fight to win or do not engage.

I believe military science and tactics is Obama's short suit.

45 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:47:44pm

Meh. To my fellow conservatives/republicans...

Don't get your hopes up just yet. Tonight's election is not indicative of a sea change, or a recrimination of WH policy. It was an off season election necessitated by vacation of death.

These things don't happen very often, they are anomalies with murky outcomes. Take California, for example, recalling a democrat governor and electing our current republican governor.

The point is, it's too early to start looking at eggs and counting them as chickens. Those eggs are still in the incubator, and they won't be hatching until November 9th, 2010.

How's this for irony: I'm currently a wet blanket, asking folks to keep their powder dry.

46 Bagua  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:48:06pm

re: #27 Fenway_Nation

Oh Irony of Ironies...the daily Springfield, MA paper endorsed Martha Coakley.

That paper's name? The Springfield Republican

Easy with that 'irony/Ironies', you're liable to set Cato off.

47 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:48:12pm

re: #32 iceweasel

Yep. Too soon to say, though, I think. Also, I never underestimate the capacity of the Dems to shoot themselves in the foot-- or each other.
Congrats on finishing your taxes!

Heh, good point; of course it would be unwise to forget about the Democratic Party and their uncanny ability to seize defeat from the jaws of victory! One wonders what stratagy Obama and the Reid/Pelosi leadership will undertake now.

Thanks for the tax congrats, but I still have to take my homework down to my accountant, so I'm not out of the woods yet. The major part of the labor is done; now its all about fudging....errr...breaking down the numbers....

48 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:48:18pm

re: #44 Bobibutu

I believe military science and tactics is Obama's short suit.

I thought it was the economy.

Or speaking without a teleprompter.

Or making good on his campaign promises of more open government.

Or.....

49 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:48:38pm

re: #6 Cato the Elder

I see writing "Obama" with a zero is still considered the height of clever in some circles.

Internet wit-by-numbers, gotta love it.

50 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:48:50pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

Well, I used it too, though without the 'F', since I don't use that word in such a casual way. But it was a cheapshot and I've since stopped doing it.

Yes. Lots of people used it. I said 'some' people because I meant some people. Not all, and not one individual.

I think it's fairly well known here that there's never anything passive about my aggression. When I mean one person, I say that.

51 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:49:10pm

re: #44 Bobibutu

I believe military science and tactics is Obama's short suit.

So do I.

52 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:49:22pm

re: #48 Fenway_Nation

I thought it was the economy.

Or speaking without a teleprompter.

Or making good on his campaign promises of more open government.

Or...

Still waiting for the magical Republican candidate that can touch him in 2012. ;-)

53 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:49:36pm

re: #43 Cato the Elder

How about you just call him "Obama" and let your words express what you think of him?

Do I get a cookie or something if I do?

54 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:50:05pm

re: #45 Slumbering Behemoth

How's this for irony: I'm currently a wet blanket, asking folks to keep their powder dry.

That's paradox, not irony.

Alanis could have sung "isn't it paradoxical", but she still would have been wrong.

55 TheMatrix31  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:50:13pm

re: #48 Fenway_Nation

Well, he was good at making consistent votes while in Congress.

Oh, shit. Maybe not.

56 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:50:41pm

re: #51 Dark_Falcon

So do I.

Don't we have a bunch of guys in uniforms in a big five-sided building for that?

I'll take a constitutional lawyer over a general for president any day. But then, I'm weird about that, I believe we actually need someone as president who gives a shit about domestic policy.

57 TheMatrix31  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:50:51pm

re: #53 Fenway_Nation

You might get a second unicorn.

58 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:51:11pm

re: #52 WindUpBird

Still waiting for the magical Republican candidate that can touch him in 2012. ;-)

It could be the re-animated corpse of Chester A Arthur at this point. Especially if he keeps gambling all his political capital in VERY blue states and keeps losing.

59 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:53:19pm

re: #58 Fenway_Nation

It could be the re-animated corpse of Chester A Arthur at this point. Especially if he keeps gambling all his political capital in VERY blue states and keeps losing.


All goofiness aside, honestly. Do you really believe there is any Republican who can take him in 2012? I want names. Romney will be annihalated by his base. Palin is insane. Who else is a top shelf GOP candidate who has a prayer against Obama's ground game in a general election?

60 Bob Dillon  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:53:48pm

re: #56 WindUpBird

Don't we have a bunch of guys in uniforms in a big five-sided building for that?

I'll take a constitutional lawyer over a general for president any day. But then, I'm weird about that, I believe we actually need someone as president who gives a shit about domestic policy.

Ike and Kennedy were pretty good. And then Carter was a disaster - but then he wasn't in that long or had much responsibility to start with.

61 Bagua  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:54:11pm

re: #41 iceweasel

That'd be an example of the use/mention distinction.

Ha! You are the master of the the rhetorical definition.

I have only one locution left in my quiver...


Youtube Video

Shrubbery!
62 Silvergirl  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:54:25pm

re: #58 Fenway_Nation

It could be the re-animated corpse of Chester A Arthur at this point. Especially if he keeps gambling all his political capital in VERY blue states and keeps losing.

Now this kind of thinking on the Dem side is what got Scott Brown elected. The person running actually has something to do with how people vote.

The visual of a zombie Chester Arthur made it a fun post.

63 TheMatrix31  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:55:01pm

re: #59 WindUpBird

I'm sorry, is the deadline for candidates tomorrow?

64 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:55:18pm

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

Maybe to both of those things. A better bill is a possible result, but so is no bill at all now. And you're right about the overreach, but the GOP can combat that by wise actions. We'll have to see. But your points are sound and your analysis good.

Thank you for your kind words, DF. Your observation about no bill (until 2011, perhaps?) may turn out to be accurate if the Dems can't come up with a new plan, and if the GOP ranks remain unbroken. But if I were you, the last thing I'd would acuse any political party of is "wise actions"....
:-D

65 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:55:32pm

re: #60 Bobibutu

Ike and Kennedy were pretty good. And then Carter was a disaster - but then he wasn't in that long or had much responsibility to start with.

And Ike warned us about exactly the machinery that has come to dominate our country, and he advocated a strong domestic policy.

66 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:55:42pm

re: #59 WindUpBird

The GOP likely won't need top-tier marquee names if he continues to govern like this. It was before my time, but I'm told Reagan was pretty much an unknown commodity during the Carter admin.

/maybe Rudy.

67 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:56:31pm

re: #61 Bagua

Ha! You are the master of the the rhetorical definition.

I have only one locution left in my quiver...

[Video]
Shrubbery!

Nah, (ni?!) I'm just a pedant. Thanks for the python though, as ever.

68 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:57:08pm

re: #66 Fenway_Nation

The GOP likely won't need top-tier marquee names if he continues to govern like this. It was before my time, but I'm told Reagan was pretty much an unknown commodity during the Carter admin.

/maybe Rudy.

Reagan? He was the model for the movie "Being There".

69 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:57:27pm

re: #62 Silvergirl

Zombie Arthur announced he's not running for higher office in a press release last week.

/Awwww

70 Bagua  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:57:57pm

re: #67 iceweasel

Nah, (ni?!) I'm just a pedant. Thanks for the python though, as ever.

We are all pedants here.

71 Bob Dillon  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:58:14pm

re: #65 WindUpBird

And Ike warned us about exactly the machinery that has come to dominate our country, and he advocated a strong domestic policy.

Right - and congress is to blame. I have much more respect for those who attain stars than attorneys any day. (which congress is full of)

72 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:58:27pm

re: #62 Silvergirl

Now this kind of thinking on the Dem side is what got Scott Brown elected. The person running actually has something to do with how people vote.

I agree. Many MANY commeters on LGF do not believe it was about the race itself, they want to claim it's some magical mystical groundswell that will sweep a Republican majority in! As opposed to, Coakley being an uncharismatic and wooden candidate who was a nasty scold who wouldn't campaign and had no ground game.

Because that wouldn't serve the wishful talking points, you see. For a bunch of people who supposedly care a lot about politics, there are a lot of very idealistic people here who don't actually seem to pay any attention to the gritty dirty real mechanics of how a campaign is run.

73 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:59:06pm

re: #54 Cato the Elder

Yeah, but "How's this for paradoxical" just doesn't roll of the tongue fingers as well. Friggin' pedant.

74 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:00:22am

re: #66 Fenway_Nation

The GOP likely won't need top-tier marquee names if he continues to govern like this. It was before my time, but I'm told Reagan was pretty much an unknown commodity during the Carter admin.

/maybe Rudy.

Oh, PLEASE run Rudy! Rudy was a laughingstock in the primary in 2008. Rudy would be burned as a witch by the GOP base.

The governor of California was an unknown? What are you talking about?

75 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:00:41am

re: #72 WindUpBird

Yeah, no credit goes to Scott Brown, who had damn good organization and was very sharp during his debates and interviews. It's all about the Democrats!

76 Bagua  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:00:54am

re: #72 WindUpBird

A nasty scold. I like that.

77 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:01:43am

re: #74 WindUpBird

Oh, PLEASE run Rudy! Rudy was a laughingstock in the primary in 2008. Rudy would be burned as a witch by the GOP base.

The governor of California was an unknown? What are you talking about?

I know an awful lot of people on 'teh left' who are praying for a Rudy run.
It wouldn't be pretty.

78 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:01:50am

re: #75 TheMatrix31

...and who the national GOP considered a lost cause and not worth any investment as recently as the end of December.

79 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:01:54am

re: #71 Bobibutu

Right - and congress is to blame. I have much more respect for those who attain stars than attorneys any day. (which congress is full of)

My dad's an attorney. Who's pretty much saved peoples' lives with what he's done. So yeah, I'm not getting on that train with you, jack.

80 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:02:22am

re: #76 Bagua


A nasty scold. I like that.

it's true! She's repellent, and Mass. didn't want her in office.

81 cliffster  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:03:48am

People try to change reality with sarcasm. R's did it in '08, D's are doing it now.

82 Bob Dillon  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:03:57am

re: #79 WindUpBird

My dad's an attorney. Who's pretty much saved peoples' lives with what he's done. So yeah, I'm not getting on that train with you, jack.

My dad and grandmother were both attorneys as well.

83 Surabaya Stew  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:04:16am

re: #44 Bobibutu

I believe military science and tactics is Obama's short suit.

Correct; military specifics really wasn't what he campaigned on. Just remember that they were also Lincoln's short suits as well, until he took the effort to study military history and strategy and thereby take effective command of the Union forces. So far, it appears that Obama may be taking a hint from 16's playbook....let's see if it continues to evolve positively.

84 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:04:19am

re: #75 TheMatrix31

Yeah, no credit goes to Scott Brown, who had damn good organization and was very sharp during his debates and interviews. It's all about the Democrats!

Dude, I have already given kudos to Brown for running an excellent campaign, I have given credit to him for having quadruple the campaign stops as Coakely, for having a

internet presence modeled after Obama,

and for triangulating and dressing himself up in the clothes of social moderates so he doesn't scare away Massachussets voters. Look it up. So you're barking up the wrong tree.

85 Bagua  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:04:32am

re: #80 WindUpBird

it's true! She's repellent, and Mass. didn't want her in office.

Just don't say frightful, I was scolded for saying that about Pelosi.

86 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:04:49am

re: #79 WindUpBird

Where's idioma to come and insult your father?

87 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:06:09am

re: #71 Bobibutu

Right - and congress is to blame. I have much more respect for those who attain stars than attorneys any day. (which congress is full of)

Quite Concur. I wish General Petraus would resign and make a run. He'd be able to knock Obama back on his heels. America has always preferred a war hero to a clever lawyer, which is a sign that this country has its priorities in order.

88 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:06:25am

re: #82 Bobibutu

My dad and grandmother were both attorneys as well.

Generals are politicians. Politicians with the military apparatus, but still military apparatus. I am not automatically impressed by military apparatus.

You know who I'm impressed by? Supreme court justices. Who were...wait for it...attorneys.

89 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:07:09am

re: #85 Bagua

Just don't say frightful, I was scolded for saying that about Pelosi.

Pelosi is an effective politician. Coakely, not so much.

90 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:07:49am

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

What, General Betray-us?!?!?

/

91 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:07:50am

re: #85 Bagua

Just don't say frightful, I was scolded for saying that about Pelosi.

By who? I mean....it's true, for God's sake!

If that phony cackle and dismissive 'Well, the president promised alot of thing......' when a reporter asked her as per one of 0Obama's campaign promises the hearing regarding the bill would be made public online and televised on CSPAN didn't drive it home, I don't know what will.....

92 Silvergirl  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:08:48am

re: #85 Bagua

Just don't say frightful, I was scolded for saying that about Pelosi.

Really? Someone I don't know on some thread the other day said Palin was a piece of filth. Nobody said anything. I did say it was harsh.

93 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:08:58am

re: #77 iceweasel

I know an awful lot of people on 'teh left' who are praying for a Rudy run.
It wouldn't be pretty.

James Gandolfini would have a chance, maybe. Not Rudy.

94 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:09:19am

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. I wish General Petraus would resign and make a run. He'd be able to knock Obama back on his heels. America has always preferred a war hero to a clever lawyer, which is a sign that this country has its priorities in order.

Petraeus wouldn't be able to touch Obama. Personality matters.

I like how you move "constitutional lawyer" to "clever lawyer". Like he's an ambulance chaser or something.Scholars are merely clever, where as a guy with a gun... brilliant!

I want a scholar in office. A war hero can be smart, a war hero can also be brave and dumb as hell. I want smart people running my country.

95 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:09:50am

re: #92 Silvergirl

It's okay to insult Republicans.

/

96 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:09:55am

re: #86 TheMatrix31

Where's idioma to come and insult your father?

Kwitcher sniveling.

97 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:10:14am

re: #93 Cato the Elder

James Gandolfini would have a chance, maybe. Not Rudy.

Gandolfini probably doesn't have shots of him in a dress floating around Youtube!

98 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:10:33am

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. I wish General Petraus would resign and make a run. He'd be able to knock Obama back on his heels. America has always preferred a war hero to a clever lawyer, which is a sign that this country has its priorities in order.

Blearg.

99 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:10:55am

re: #95 TheMatrix31

It's okay to insult Republicans.

/

yes, PLEASE champion Palin for us. Please be that guy.

100 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:11:12am

re: #80 WindUpBird

it's true! She's repellent, and Mass. didn't want her in office.

You're wrong. They didn't want Obama in office, but they got confused and couldn't tell the difference between "Coakley" and "Obama" when it came to how their names were spelled.
/

101 Bob Dillon  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:11:15am

re: #83 Surabaya Stew

I should have put a sarc tag. Good to cross paths again Stew.

In my book nothing replaces military service. And I don't hold it against those who choose not to serve. Those who have look at things a bit differently.

102 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:11:49am

re: #99 WindUpBird

I'm not championing Palin. I don't give a shit about her.

103 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:12:09am

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

You could be onto something.....all the appropriate (moveon.org, Cat0) people seem to loathe him already.

104 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:12:53am

re: #92 Silvergirl

Really? Someone I don't know on some thread the other day said Palin was a piece of filth. Nobody said anything. I did say it was harsh.

I took quite a beating from a few here for objecting to the First Female Speaker of the House being referred to as "Tuna" Pelosi.
Those defending that lovely name insist it's a reference to Starkiss, but can't explain why they can't simply call her "Starkiss Pelosi" then.

Bagua is not one of those people, for the record.

105 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:13:14am

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

What else could you call him but a zero tonight, Cato. For the second time in 3 months, Obama went out in support of a lousy candidate in a Deep Blue State, got up on the podium and spouted his hopeychange, and then the state's voters decided to elect the Republican. Obama isn't demonstrating any coattails effect right now and that makes him look like a zero.

That's not the point of this election. The voters hit the brakes. That's the point. They wanted change, and they probably still want it. Just not in-your-face change. They want the Republicans to have a seat at the table.

Republicans now need to soberly assess what they can do and what they can't. They can't just stop Obama in his tracks. What they can do, if he'll stand for it, is bend his agenda in ways that make it palatable, or at any rate endurable, for that broad swath of the middle that has just proved it can vote one way and then the other if it feels like it.

This bending won't turn Obama's administration into Reagan II. But it can help it from being Jimmy II. This would be good for the Democrats, good for the country, and good for the Republicans. (It's not actually a zero-sum game. The system can collapse, with new parties arising from the ashes. If both parties play as though it's a zero sum game, that's exactly what will happen in the long run.)

106 Silvergirl  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:13:18am

re: #103 Fenway_Nation

You could be onto something...all the appropriate (moveon.org, Cat0) people seem to loathe him already.

Okay, where's Cato? I hope he realizes that's funny. The Cat0 thing. At least it's timely.

107 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:13:25am

re: #103 Fenway_Nation

Dammit Fenway, the "0" is juvenile!

/did I mention that "I won."?

108 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:13:52am

re: #104 iceweasel

I think Tuna is a dogwhistle.

109 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:14:34am

re: #108 TheMatrix31

I think Tuna is a dogwhistle.

then what is fruitcup?

110 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:14:50am

I'm quite tired and need to go to bed but let me leave for the night with this parting thought:

The gOP has won tonight, but it must now figure out how to use that gain. The Tea PArty folks will claim credit, but saner people need to remind them of Mago Barca's words to his brother Hannibal: "You know how to win victories, but not how to use them."

(Though perhaps Mago could be met with the retort that you first have to win in the first place. In 203 BC he lead a Carthaginian army into Italy to reinforce Hannibal. The Romans stopped him at the Po River and in the resulting battle the Roman flanking infantry held back Mago's elephants and cavalry while the Roman center chopped its way through Nago's Gauls, Ligurians, and Africans. Though Mago and his army survived the repulse, Mago was wounded and died on the voyage back to Africa. Cato should feel free to correct and add to this story as he sees fit.)

111 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:14:57am

re: #108 TheMatrix31

Dog of the sea?

112 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:15:15am

re: #107 TheMatrix31

Dammit Fenway, the "0" is juvenile!

/did I mention that "I won."?

Won what? The Illiterate Punctuation Award in grade school?

113 Silvergirl  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:15:22am

re: #99 WindUpBird

yes, PLEASE champion Palin for us. Please be that guy.

Why? I don't get why you're saying that. Are you smarting from today's election and want someone to beat up on? Toss Palin in so we can smack her around? Really, I'm asking.

114 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:15:53am

re: #94 WindUpBird

Petraeus wouldn't be able to touch Obama. Personality matters.

I like how you move "constitutional lawyer" to "clever lawyer". Like he's an ambulance chaser or something.Scholars are merely clever, where as a guy with a gun... brilliant!

I want a scholar in office. A war hero can be smart, a war hero can also be brave and dumb as hell. I want smart people running my country.

well, all you have now are narcissistic morons with no experience. General P would be a significant improvement.

115 cliffster  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:16:01am

Watching Rachel Maddow rerun on MSNBC. Apparently, Brown won because people in Massachusetts are sexist. Go figure.

116 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:16:16am

re: #109 redc1c4

A time-honored tradition.

117 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:16:41am

re: #112 Cato the Elder

Won what? The Illiterate Punctuation Award in grade school?

Well....we know he didn't win at teH internets, because that's all you dude!

118 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:16:55am

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

proving that crossing the Po river going north is difficult.

119 Bob Dillon  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:17:14am

re: #88 WindUpBird

Generals are politicians. Politicians with the military apparatus, but still military apparatus. I am not automatically impressed by military apparatus.

You know who I'm impressed by? Supreme court justices. Who were...wait for it...attorneys.

Yeah - Earl Warren was a personal family friend. I understand.

In this world I prefer someone who knows how to keep us safe thru action vs words.

120 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:17:32am

re: #115 cliffster

Watching Rachel Maddow rerun on MSNBC. Apparently, Brown won because people in Massachusetts are sexist. Go figure.

What!!? I thought they were racist! I mean voting for the white guy instead of.........the white chick.......

121 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:17:48am

I've got to get to sleep. Good night, all.

122 Bagua  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:18:15am

re: #89 WindUpBird

Pelosi is an effective politician. Coakely, not so much.

Ha, don't get too carried away with 'bad candidate' meme. Coakley was well liked in Mass., she was elected Attorney General after all and 1 million people voted for her to be Senator.

The poison was 0bama, pure and simple.

123 cliffster  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:18:19am

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

I've got to get to sleep. Good night, all.

Sleep well DF.

124 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:18:27am

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

Gnite, DF!

125 Silvergirl  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:18:37am

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

Good-night, Dark_Falcon.

126 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:18:39am

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

GN, dude.

127 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:18:44am

Early on, when I first joined here, I recall reading the words of a wise Lizard who once commented on how they try to never drag a grudge from one thread to the next.

I saw the wisdom in that, and have endeavored to do the same. I have failed from time to time, but I still try.

128 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:20:04am

re: #127 Slumbering Behemoth

but its so much fun..... %-)

129 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:20:35am

re: #127 Slumbering Behemoth

Really? I think I've failed every time I tried that.

Matrix? Remember that time you said you hoped the Braves beat the Sox in that inter-league game last summer? Well fuck you!!!!
/

130 Bob Dillon  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:20:36am

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

I've got to get to sleep. Good night, all.

Rest well. I'm following.

131 Surabaya Stew  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:20:39am

re: #101 Bobibutu

I should have put a sarc tag. Good to cross paths again Stew.

In my book nothing replaces military service. And I don't hold it against those who choose not to serve. Those who have look at things a bit differently.

That's quite all-right about the miss sarc tag, Bob; crossing paths with the likes of a lizards like yourself is always a fine thing in my book! If I may add a few words, a large part of what makes military service special is that under normal circumstances (i.e., non-draft) we Americans choose to join our armed forces, they don't get to choose us! The 3rd Amendment touchs upon this quite eloquently:

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

It is with this basis of Military service firmly encased in civilian rights and rule that makes serving our nation such a noble cause.

132 palomino  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:20:42am

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

What's happening now looks earth shattering. But if you were to go back and look at prior administrations, you'd find presidents often endorse candidates in local and state elections who go on to lose.

Clearly there's concern about Obama's agenda, but treating MA as a referendum is overly optimistic. Three weeks ago Coakley was way ahead in polls. To treat this election like a mandate is to believe that support for Obama and health care just fell off a cliff in that time span.

133 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:20:43am

re: #94 WindUpBird

Petraeus wouldn't be able to touch Obama. Personality matters.

I like how you move "constitutional lawyer" to "clever lawyer". Like he's an ambulance chaser or something.Scholars are merely clever, where as a guy with a gun... brilliant!

I want a scholar in office. A war hero can be smart, a war hero can also be brave and dumb as hell. I want smart people running my country.

Can you seriously entertain the notion that Petraeus isn't every bit as smart as Obama? The military gives IQ tests and no bones about it, and Petraeus stood high enough that they knew if he also had character and energy, that, together with brains, could carry him far.

But that's just test scores. Maybe they don't really say anything? But Petraeus turned around what looked to almost everybody like a lost cause in Iraq. He even wrote a manual explaining how to do such things, and then he went in and proved that his theorizing was correct. He's the nearest thing we have to Cletus Graeme of the Dorsai saga.

Whether he'd be any good at politics is another question. Eisenhower was, but Patton, not so much. From what I can tell, Petraeus isn't in the least interested in running.

134 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:20:47am

The question remains, what has Obama delivered? So far a whole lot of nothing, not health reform, not addressing trade, not rescinding DADT, not repeal of DOMA, not saner financial industry oversight, not really anything that he promised or at least hinted at.

With overwhelming majorities in both the House and the Senate and a year in office, still nothing. His "leadership" style consists of telling Congress "here is what I want to happen, now you guys figure out how to make it work" and then abandoning the entire process. Even Bush wasn't that ignorant (or arrogant?) he at least had his people pushing his agenda in lockstep on the Hill.

I see him as not wanting to spend any of his political clout on the Hill pushing a particular bill and being beaten. Unfortunately it has resulted in him not passing anything because he was afraid to push anything. Same result in the end, just a slower method.

His Cred has dropped to near zero in my book, he talks a good game but in reality he just isn't as competent as we all wish he was. Perhaps I'm naturally biased because I didn't want him in the office to start with but I really feel as though I have given him every chance to live up to his rhetoric.

He is a one term ex-Senator who just doesn't seem to know how to push an agenda thru Congress. Maybe I should be grateful for that considering what some of the bills turned over to the likes of Barney Frank and Harry Reid to figure out for him have ended up like.

The man desperately needs to wake up and get some better advisers, another six months of this and the tea-party crazies will be taking a lot of seats after mid-terms, and I don't want that to happen either.

135 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:20:55am

re: #109 redc1c4

then what is fruitcup?

When you handle it? It's a controlled substance.
/pass two my way

136 Bagua  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:21:23am

re: #104 iceweasel

I took quite a beating from a few here for objecting to the First Female Speaker of the House being referred to as "Tuna" Pelosi.
Those defending that lovely name insist it's a reference to Starkiss, but can't explain why they can't simply call her "Starkiss Pelosi" then.

Bagua is not one of those people, for the record.

I remember that, it was fun. Which side was I on at the time?

137 cliffster  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:21:39am

Off I go to zzz-land myself. Peace and purpose to all.

138 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:22:00am

re: #129 Fenway_Nation

Yeah, and remember that time I told you I hate the Red Sox, Patriots, and Celtics with a burning hot passion?

/well, I still do...but fuck you!
//

139 Silvergirl  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:22:11am

re: #127 Slumbering Behemoth

Early on, when I first joined here, I recall reading the words of a wise Lizard who once commented on how they try to never drag a grudge from one thread to the next.

I saw the wisdom in that, and have endeavored to do the same. I have failed from time to time, but I still try.

Is this anything like never go to bed mad? The comeback is stay up and fight.

So with a thread you either drop it or stay in the dead thread and duke it out.

140 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:22:27am

re: #138 TheMatrix31

....at least I don't think Curt Schilling was a Yankee fan.

141 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:22:52am

re: #137 cliffster

Fare thee well.....steep vertical precipice of the....um.....-ster persuasion.

142 Bagua  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:23:42am

re: #115 cliffster

Watching Rachel Maddow rerun on MSNBC. Apparently, Brown won because people in Massachusetts are sexist. Go figure.

Yep, those evil right wingers in Massachusetts. They had the original Tea Party there you know.

143 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:23:49am

re: #134 ausador

The question remains, what has Obama delivered? So far a whole lot of nothing, not health reform, not addressing trade, not rescinding DADT, not repeal of DOMA, not saner financial industry oversight, not really anything that he promised or at least hinted at.


DADT is slated to be overturned in a pending defence bill.

DADT Repeal: Dems Move Forward With Plans

144 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:25:09am

re: #139 Silvergirl


Is this anything like never go to bed mad? The comeback is stay up and fight.

I thought the comeback was 'Masturbate furiously to pictures of Bollywood actresses in another window', but vive le difference!

145 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:25:57am

re: #140 TheMatrix31

...at least I don't think Curt Schilling was a Yankee fan.

yes he is: i heard it on the news.

146 Silvergirl  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:26:03am

re: #144 Fenway_Nation

You bad thing!

147 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:26:24am

re: #142 Bagua

And they brandished firearms in public places, too!

148 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:27:10am

re: #135 Slumbering Behemoth

When you handle it? It's a controlled substance.
/pass two my way

there's a big tub on the table behind you...... i always bring some when i stop by the old neighborhood. %-)

149 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:27:27am

re: #139 Silvergirl

I guess. I've gotten into arguments with others here where a bit of ugliness may have transpired. I do my best to let the ugliness or the argument stay on the relevant thread.

I am also guilty of failing to do so many times. I try to make up for that with self deprecating masturbation jokes.

150 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:28:19am

re: #143 iceweasel

DADT is slated to be overturned in a pending defence bill.

DADT Repeal: Dems Move Forward With Plans

Ear Leader could simply order it so, ala Truman and segregation, but he won't.

/coward

151 Bagua  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:28:56am

re: #147 Fenway_Nation

And they brandished firearms in public places, too!

Oh the humanity, those militia types have a long history in Massachusetts.

152 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:29:38am

re: #151 Bagua

Oh the humanity, those militia types have a long history in Massachusetts.

obviously we need more gun control.....

153 idioma  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:29:42am

re: #86 TheMatrix31

Quit whining.

154 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:30:24am

re: #100 Slumbering Behemoth

You're wrong. They didn't want Obama in office, but they got confused and couldn't tell the difference between "Coakley" and "Obama" when it came to how their names were spelled.
/

I'm still sticking with my idea that voters were terrified of the spectre of Ted Kennedy haunting that senate seat, and they elected Brown as a ghostbuster. :D

155 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:31:45am

re: #153 idioma

Weren't you going to bed?

156 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:31:58am

re: #145 redc1c4

Curt Schilling could would likely tell you about his deep-seated love for the Yankees on his own blog if he just wasn't so gosh-darned soft-spoken and afraid of the limelight.

157 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:32:28am

re: #143 iceweasel

Yeah, yeah, more plans...

Is that the new Dem slogan; "Vote for us, we have a plan to fix this someday!"

/first we just have to find our balls...

158 palomino  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:32:41am

re: #134 ausador

You're right about Obama. He made the mistake of putting health care ahead of everything else, once the banks were saved. So some goals have been put off, but some of the other things you mentioned--like DADT--appear to be in the works. Anyway, the health care beast is all consuming,

I don't think Obama's done a horrible job necessarily (although he may just be too intellectual and reserved for the presidency. ) In his defense, the supermajority he's dealing with is very fractured. And he gets nothing from the GOP.

I can't see Hillary or McCain doing any better. The country borders on ungovernable.

159 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:33:05am

re: #150 redc1c4

Ear Leader could simply order it so, ala Truman and segregation, but he won't.


I'd prefer that myself, but that isn't how he works.
It'll be attached to that bill. Once DADT is overturned (or rather, rescinded) we'll see DOMA get the chop -- but I predict he's waiting for it to bubble up from the state levels, as it already is. We'll see gay marriage (or the equivalent of it) in virtually all states by 2020.

160 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:33:08am

re: #156 Fenway_Nation

Curt Schilling could would likely tell you about his deep-seated love for the Yankees on his own blog if he just wasn't so gosh-darned soft-spoken and afraid of the limelight.

i'd tell you about my love of sarcasm, but the slash key on this board is worn out..... %-)

161 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:33:39am

re: #151 Bagua

Oh the humanity, those militia types have a long history in Massachusetts.

We need to get Napolitano on this! Never mind Nigerian Islamists with one-way tickets to Detroit with no winter clothing and home-made explosives crammed into their drawers- this insidous threat neeeds to be dealth with immediately!

/I bet some of them learned to kill and stuff while in the military!

162 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:34:05am

re: #148 redc1c4

Wait, what? You're gonna trust me with access to the entire tub?

When the neighborhood complaints start rolling in about how I peed in various mailboxes, and pinned a variety of domesticated animals to all manner cacti in "compromising positions", you have no one to blame but yourself.
/

163 srb1976  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:34:40am

Morning folks!

164 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:34:53am

re: #157 ausador

Yeah, yeah, more plans...

Is that the new Dem slogan; "Vote for us, we have a plan to fix this someday!"

/first we just have to find our balls...

Yeah, well, I don't disagree with that. But you brought up DADT, so I gave you the info.
I expect vicious fighting over that in Congress and elsewhere, as well.

165 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:34:56am

OK, how many great "war hero" presidents have we had besides Washington?

Grant? Great general, president, not so much.

Ike? A genial boob.

JFK? We'll never know how he would have turned out.

When we Romans made a war hero into our leader, it was not long before the Republic disappeared.

Just sayin'.

166 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:34:58am

re: #160 redc1c4

Being an outspoken conservative is no big deal in the land of McCain and Goldwater. I don't care where you stand- it takes chutzpah to be one in the Hub.

167 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:35:37am

re: #163 srb1976

Morning srb! Long time no lookie-see!

168 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:35:46am

re: #122 Bagua

Ha, don't get too carried away with 'bad candidate' meme. Coakley was well liked in Mass., she was elected Attorney General after all and 1 million people voted for her to be Senator.

The poison was 0bama, pure and simple.

You're flat wrong, and the zero is cute, but it doesn't help. Bad campaign = loser. Brown ran a good campaign, and campaigned his ass off. Coakely believed the hype, sat back and thought she had it in the bag. BECAUSE of exactly what you're saying, she was well liked, so she didn't run a good ship. Brown was hungry, he wanted it more, he worked harder for it. She is the very definition of a bad candidiate. it's not a meme, it's simple fact.

Unless you believe that campaign stops aren't necessary? Unless you think you can blow references to the Red Sox and have the voters not think you're out of touch?

169 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:36:14am

re: #158 palomino

You're right about Obama. He made the mistake of putting health care ahead of everything else, once the banks were saved. So some goals have been put off, but some of the other things you mentioned--like DADT--appear to be in the works. Anyway, the health care beast is all consuming,

I don't think Obama's done a horrible job necessarily (although he may just be too intellectual and reserved for the presidency. ) In his defense, the supermajority he's dealing with is very fractured. And he gets nothing from the GOP.

I can't see Hillary or McCain doing any better. The country borders on ungovernable.

i wasn't aware the banks were saved..... the home real estate market is still inflated, the commercial one is due to start going pear shaped any day, the Japanese are also *this* close to financial meltdown, and the Chinese have been keeping their market afloat by doing things like building cities no one lives in, and their population is about to self-destruct.

but yeah, if you ignore all that, i guess the banks are saved.

170 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:37:16am

re: #165 Cato the Elder

OK, how many great "war hero" presidents have we had besides Washington?

Grant? Great general, president, not so much.

Ike? A genial boob.

JFK? We'll never know how he would have turned out.

When we Romans made a war hero into our leader, it was not long before the Republic disappeared.

Just sayin'.

Quoted for truth!

171 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:37:38am

re: #162 Slumbering Behemoth

Wait, what? You're gonna trust me with access to the entire tub?

When the neighborhood complaints start rolling in about how I peed in various mailboxes, and pinned a variety of domesticated animals to all manner cacti in "compromising positions", you have no one to blame but yourself.
/

i've been rereading Atlas Shrugged (the book, not the blog) and i refuse to accept responsibility for anyone else's actions. %-)

172 Silvergirl  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:37:42am

re: #165 Cato the Elder

OK, how many great "war hero" presidents have we had besides Washington?

Grant? Great general, president, not so much.

Ike? A genial boob.

JFK? We'll never know how he would have turned out.

When we Romans made a war hero into our leader, it was not long before the Republic disappeared.

Just sayin'.

There's a quick dismissal. He was more than that. Plus he gave the country a chance to use assonance during his campaign.

173 srb1976  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:38:19am

re: #167 Fenway_Nation

Morning srb! Long time no lookie-see!

Good to see you too Fenway.....been playing musical schedules at work....hope the latest one is a keeper though!

174 palomino  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:38:57am

re: #169 redc1c4

saved as in long term, no. saved as in didn't go Bear Sterns, yes.

anyway my point wasn't about banks, more about gridlock.

175 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:39:24am

re: #172 Silvergirl

There's a quick dismissal. He was more than that. Plus he gave the country a chance to use assonance during his campaign.

I will say I like what Ike said about the military industrial complex!

Conservatives don't like to talk about that so much.

176 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:40:34am

re: #171 redc1c4

i've been rereading Atlas Shrugged (the book, not the blog) and i refuse to accept responsibility for anyone else's actions. %-)

"I am Andrew Ryan, and I am here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?"

177 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:40:47am

re: #168 WindUpBird

Unless you believe that campaign stops aren't necessary? Unless you think you can blow references to the Red Sox and have the voters not think you're out of touch?

Having grown up there, there are/were still plenty of party faithful who would've voted for anything with a D next to the name....a plate of haggis, chunks of the Ted Williams tunnel that fell down, Barney Frank....you name it. I mean this is the same state that gave us Dukakis for fuck's sake.

Frankly, I'm thinking they're still around and that's what made the race as close as it was.

178 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:40:57am

re: #175 WindUpBird

I will say I like what Ike said about the military industrial complex!

Conservatives don't like to talk about that so much.

why should we? there's hardly any "military industrial" companies left in the US, and many that are here are actually foreign owned.

179 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:40:58am

re: #175 WindUpBird

I will say I like what Ike said about the military industrial complex!

Conservatives don't like to talk about that so much.

True dat.

180 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:41:18am

G'nite Lizards. If you're not "experienced", stay away from Red Brand FruitcupTM

181 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:41:59am

re: #176 WindUpBird

"I am Andrew Ryan, and I am here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?"

Of course a man is entitled to the sweat of his brow. The fruits of his labors, however, belong to whoever hired him. Such is capitalism.

182 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:42:05am

re: #173 srb1976

Good to see you too Fenway...been playing musical schedules at work...hope the latest one is a keeper though!

Heh...me too, sort of.

183 Silvergirl  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:42:35am

re: #175 WindUpBird

I will say I like what Ike said about the military industrial complex!

Conservatives don't like to talk about that so much.

I like it too. I also think he handled the Sputnik thing well when everyone was hysterical. He also said a lesser known but wise thing

"Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil and you're a thousand miles from the corn field."

184 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:43:02am

re: #178 redc1c4

why should we? there's hardly any "military industrial" companies left in the US, and many that are here are actually foreign owned.

You're joking, right?

About the only companies of any consequence left in this country are MIC.

185 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:43:57am

re: #178 redc1c4

why should we? there's hardly any "military industrial" companies left in the US, and many that are here are actually foreign owned.

And the ones that are here are owned by kooky dominionists who leave scripture verses in a rifle's optics because as we all know, Christianity is eeeeeeevil. Almost as eeeeeeevil as effective optics on a GI's rifle.

186 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:44:02am

re: #181 Cato the Elder

Of course a man is entitled to the sweat of his brow. The fruits of his labors, however, belong to whoever hired him. Such is capitalism.

i would submit that your paycheck is the fruit of your labors. *that* is capitalism, as is saving up your money, perfecting an idea and then turning it into a business..... where you w*rk for yourself and make money, usually by paying other people to w*rk for you.

187 srb1976  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:44:29am

re: #182 Fenway_Nation

Heh...me too, sort of.

Starting the 1st of month we're going to 4 on 4 off....but straight days instead of rotating....yay! Lots more time off.....but working 12's straight through the 1st starting today (also yay! love the overtime)

Does that mean you found someplace good to work? Or still looking? (still way out of the loop and trying to catch up)

188 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:46:20am

re: #187 srb1976

Part-time work, but it's as much as 6 nights a week sometimes.

Nic is blue if you wanna shoot me an e-mail.

/it's also blue on the earlier threads if you wanna take a look at my crappy blog.

189 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:46:43am

Heh. Kennedy:
Kennedy's son: Voters are 'wanting blood'

But Kennedy also offered a scathing review of Democrats and perhaps a back-handed jab at Democratic candidate Martha Coakley, whom many in the party are blaming for the loss of a seat Kennedy's father held for more than four decades.

While he said that the swing toward Republican Scott Brown represented a "general protest vote," he also said that each candidate has an obligation to do his best to make his case.
snip
Still, he said that Democrats have never been very helpful in backing up candidates with a unified message.

“I belong to an unorganized party,” he said. “It’s the Democratic Party. You know, that’s the nature of the beast. Deal with it.”

190 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:47:19am

re: #186 redc1c4

i would submit that your paycheck is the fruit of your labors. *that* is capitalism, as is saving up your money, perfecting an idea and then turning it into a business... where you w*rk for yourself and make money, usually by paying other people to w*rk for you.

And the fruit of the labors of people sewing Disney pajamas for Wal-Mart in Haiti is $0.12/hour.

Fuck capitalism.

191 LotharBot  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:47:33am

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

The difference in 2006 was that Bush didn't really try.

By 2006, Bush had exhausted every bit of his political capital. He was already a lame duck president, and he seemed to know it. After six years in office, and three years of the relatively unpopular Iraq war, and after he'd alienated much of the conservative base with his domestic spending, he simply had no coattails to ride.

Obama is barely a year into his presidency. He's still got a decent approval rating and he's still well liked. It's really shocking that he doesn't seem to have coattails.

192 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:47:44am

re: #189 iceweasel

Heh. Kennedy:
Kennedy's son: Voters are 'wanting blood'

he should be nicer to Marcia, but that is the way of Kennedy men when dealing with women.

193 cenotaphium  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:48:31am

re: #185 Fenway_Nation

And the ones that are here are owned by kooky dominionists who leave scripture verses in a rifle's optics because as we all know, Christianity is eeevil. Almost as eeevil as effective optics on a GI's rifle.

I read the following (Daily Mail, but still..):

U.S. military rules specifically prohibit the promotion of any religion in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Lawyer and former air force officer Michael Weinstein said the inscriptions play into the hands of those who say the U.S. is on a 'crusade' against Islam. 'It allows the Mujahedeen, the Taliban, Al Qaeda and the insurrectionists and jihadists to claim they're being shot by Jesus rifles,' he said.

Seemed to make sense. If you want to exchange it for a persecution complex token, you're welcome.

194 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:48:32am

re: #190 Cato the Elder

And the fruit of the labors of people sewing Disney pajamas for Wal-Mart in Haiti is $0.12/hour.

Fuck capitalism.

what j*b would they have if the plant closed?

195 Surabaya Stew  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:48:42am

Allrighty all scaly folk, nice hanging out here tonight! Pleasant dreams now....

196 Silvergirl  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:49:48am

re: #195 Surabaya Stew

Allrighty all scaly folk, nice hanging out here tonight! Pleasant dreams now...

Good-night. I'm heading for that land of dreams too.

Later!

197 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:50:15am

re: #191 LotharBot

By 2006, Bush had exhausted every bit of his political capital. He was already a lame duck president, and he seemed to know it. After six years in office, and three years of the relatively unpopular Iraq war, and after he'd alienated much of the conservative base with his domestic spending, he simply had no coattails to ride.

Obama is barely a year into his presidency. He's still got a decent approval rating and he's still well liked. It's really shocking that he doesn't seem to have coattails.

what decent approval ratting?

198 palomino  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:51:05am

re: #189 iceweasel

Sounds like just an old joke or cliche, but very true. The Dems just don't have the party disicpline that the GOP has. Maybe it's that their diversity is both their strength and weakness.

Or maybe liberal parties are just bound to be more fractured than are parties more defensive of the status quo.

199 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:51:19am

re: #193 cenotaphium

Seemed to make sense. If you want to exchange it for a persecution complex token, you're welcome.

Oh...right- I forgot. Because otherwise they're reasonable individuals who would no longer want to take up jihad against the infidel and just happen to whack a couple dozen hundred thousand of their co-religonists as collateral damage.

200 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:52:03am

re: #194 redc1c4

what j*b would they have if the plant closed?

Fuck Ayn Rand too.

201 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:52:37am

re: #193 cenotaphium

Seemed to make sense. If you want to exchange it for a persecution complex token, you're welcome.

the local HQ released a statement that this was a non-issue. it's just your average everyday atheist, hiding under the guise of "religious freedom", drumming up a bullshit case to advance *their* religious agenda.

the whole "Jesus rifles" claim smells worse that a slit trench latrine in the middle of summer.

202 Bagua  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:53:13am

re: #168 WindUpBird

You're flat wrong, and the zero is cute, but it doesn't help.

Yes it's fun, 0bama it is.

As to the rest, we shall see in November, a Republican winning the Senate in the state of Kennedy(s)/Kerry/Barney Frank is a seismic event. Surely the primary driver was objection to the 0bama 60, though not the only driver. What you said are secondary drivers.

203 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:53:15am

re: #198 palomino

Sounds like just an old joke or cliche, but very true. The Dems just don't have the party disicpline that the GOP has. Maybe it's that their diversity is both their strength and weakness.

Or maybe liberal parties are just bound to be more fractured than are parties more defensive of the status quo.

Your comment seems spot-on to me. Reminds me of the other old joke: put three liberals in a room, get four opinions.

204 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:54:03am

re: #200 Cato the Elder

Fuck Ayn Rand too.

so you don;t have an answer to the question, eh?

205 palomino  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:55:36am

re: #197 redc1c4

everything is relative. Bush got re-elected with an approval rating only about 4-5 points higher.

206 cenotaphium  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:55:48am

re: #201 redc1c4

the local HQ released a statement that this was a non-issue. it's just your average everyday atheist, hiding under the guise of "religious freedom", drumming up a bullshit case to advance *their* religious agenda.

Really?

Tell me more about this average everyday atheist agenda. I'd start with "how is the absence of belief a belief", but that seems to be a common mire.

207 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:56:07am

re: #202 Bagua

0Obama's conduct vis a vis Crowley and Gates didn't sit too well with alot of people in a very blue city. Neither did the dems modifying their own legislation providing for an election to fill what was supposed to have been Kerry's vacant seat had he won.....

208 srb1976  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:56:08am

re: #188 Fenway_Nation

Part-time work, but it's as much as 6 nights a week sometimes.

Nic is blue if you wanna shoot me an e-mail.

/it's also blue on the earlier threads if you wanna take a look at my crappy blog.

I wouldn't call it a crappy blog.....Love the New Year's pin-up girl.... = )

209 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:56:13am

re: #204 redc1c4

so you don;t have an answer to the question, eh?

It's not printable, you fucking apologist for wage-slavery.

210 SixDegrees  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:56:40am

re: #192 redc1c4

he should be nicer to Marcia, but that is the way of Kennedy men when dealing with women.

Democrats as a whole have turned on Coakley like a pack of pod people, pointing and hissing loudly. A Presidential advisor, distancing the Administration from the loss, said, "Campaigns and candidates matter."

Although I tend to agree that the election was Coakley's to lose, she did in fact manage to lose it, and handed the GOP a victory made even more significant by it's presence in the heart of "enemy territory" - Massachusetts.

The results I'm seeing seem to show a 4% - 5% margin for Brown. Not a landslide, but decisive. Does this match what others are reading?

211 idioma  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:56:46am

re: #155 TheMatrix31

Weren't you going to bed?

It's hard to sleep with you crying so loud.

Seriously.

I know gut-shot marines that complain less.

212 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:57:57am

re: #208 srb1976

He he....thanks. I'm looking for any contrived excuse to put up a Sort Of Safe For Work photo of Bettie Page more than once or twice a year.

213 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:58:38am

re: #191 LotharBot

By 2006, Bush had exhausted every bit of his political capital. He was already a lame duck president, and he seemed to know it. After six years in office, and three years of the relatively unpopular Iraq war, and after he'd alienated much of the conservative base with his domestic spending, he simply had no coattails to ride.

Obama is barely a year into his presidency. He's still got a decent approval rating and he's still well liked. It's really shocking that he doesn't seem to have coattails.

Coakley was an awful candidate who ran a terrible campaign. Had Obama turned out for her earlier, it may possibly have made a difference, but I don't think so. She was just awful.

She's already blaming everyone she can think of for the loss-- except herself. Here's something for those conservatives who want some more tasty Schadenfreude:

Democratic Party responds to Coakley memo: 'Political malpractice'

A senior Democratic Party official responded furiously today to a memo from a Coakley adviser arguing that the national party bears a large share of blame for failing to support her financially and sticking her with unpopular policies on health care and Afghanistan.

The official writes:

This memo is a pack full of lies and fantasies — The DNC and the DSCC did everything they were asked and have been involved in the race for several weeks, not just the last one.

The campaign failed to recognize this threat, failed to keep Coakley on the campaign trail, failed to create a negative narrative about Brown, failed to stay on the air in December while he was running a brilliant campaign. It's wishful thinking from a pollster, candidate and campaign team that were caught napping and are going to allow one of the worst debacles in American political history to happen on their watch that they are at the 11th hour are going to blame others.

Before the DNC and DSCC got involved there was barely a single piece of paper on what the narrative is on Brown. The candidate in this race and the campaign have been involved in the worst case of political malpractice in memory and they aren't going to be able to spin themselves out of this with a memo full of lies.

214 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:58:48am

re: #206 cenotaphium

Really?

Tell me more about this average everyday atheist agenda. I'd start with "how is the absence of belief a belief", but that seems to be a common mire.

if you have an absence of belief, you are an agnostic. if you are sure there is no god, and you are willing to argue about it, your religion is atheism, and, at the basic level, you're the same as any other religious believer. claiming to be for "religious freedom" while using that claim to eradicate any and all mentions of other established religions in public life is intellectually dishonest.

215 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:59:58am

re: #205 palomino

everything is relative. Bush got re-elected with an approval rating only about 4-5 points higher.

4 or 5 more points is a big deal in a close election. i've seen other polls where Barney Fife's numbers are much lower.

216 srb1976  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:00:19am

re: #212 Fenway_Nation

He he...thanks. I'm looking for any contrived excuse to put up a Sort Of Safe For Work photo of Bettie Page more than once or twice a year.

Eh...any excuse will do, pin-up girls are kind of a lost art, a shame IMO. = )

217 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:01:08am

re: #206 cenotaphium

OMG! The military has these people called 'chaplains' that perform various religous services for servicemen and women! My goodness- that violates the seperation of church and state as well, since the GI's are on Uncle Sam's dime. Why don't we get rid of the, too? I mean think of the useful propaganda for Al Qaeda and the Taliban if word got out about these 'chaplains'!

218 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:01:26am

re: #215 redc1c4

Barney Fife?! DO YOU HATE SHERIFFS?!

219 cenotaphium  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:02:33am

re: #199 Fenway_Nation

Oh...right- I forgot. Because otherwise they're reasonable individuals who would no longer want to take up jihad against the infidel and just happen to whack a couple dozen hundred thousand of their co-religonists as collateral damage.

Well that's one mighty big strawman you built there. Personally, I support the effort to keep the moral high ground and to combat enemy disinformation. Playing into the hands of jihadists seems like a bad idea to me, but what do I know?

Shouldn't we assume that prospective jihadists can be influenced not to join up with that "cause"? Isn't a whole lot of the military PR campaign designed with this in mind? These aren't rhetorical questions, by the way. I'm assuming you agree that the jihadists are human beings with some capacity for reasoning - if you don't, well that makes your original comment much clearer.

220 Bagua  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:02:40am

re: #213 iceweasel

Coakley was an awful candidate who ran a terrible campaign.

I suggest a shorter title for this meme, 10 words is not catchy.

How about: The Coakley cock-up?

221 srb1976  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:02:43am

re: #218 TheMatrix31

Barney Fife?! DO YOU HATE SHERIFFS?!

Barney was a deputy....Andy was the sheriff

222 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:03:03am

re: #209 Cato the Elder

It's not printable, you fucking apologist for wage-slavery.

dude, you're barely coherent..... let alone rational. did you forget to take something, or are you just having a bad day? i take it you don't w*rk for a living.

223 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:03:13am

One of these guys is Alex Jones. Possibly both.
Youtube Doubler

224 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:03:47am

re: #221 srb1976

LOL. I never watched Andy Griffith, but just making the absurd equivelency comments that some people enjoy making.

225 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:03:51am

re: #222 redc1c4

dude, you're barely coherent... let alone rational. did you forget to take something, or are you just having a bad day? i take it you don't w*rk for a living.

Shove it deep and hard.

That is all.

226 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:03:52am

re: #216 srb1976

Eh...any excuse will do, pin-up girls are kind of a lost art, a shame IMO. = )

HEAR HEAR! What is it with these greased-up skanks in pretty much any medium that advertisers and the entertainment industry trot out on a fairly regular basis that we're supposed to think is appealing?

/Credit where credit is due, I think Christina Aguiera had a good thing going when she went for that whole retro pin-up look, but as far as I know, she could've devolved back into greased-up skank mode.

227 cenotaphium  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:04:04am

re: #222 redc1c4

Is this "w*rk" and "j*b" thing some witticism about work and jobs being taboo subjects in todays society?

228 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:04:11am

re: #220 Bagua

I suggest a shorter title for this meme, 10 words is not catchy.

How about: The Coakley cock-up?

You think it's merely a meme? I think it's true.
"Coakely cock-up" works for me, though.

229 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:04:16am

re: #218 TheMatrix31

Barney Fife?! DO YOU HATE SHERIFFS?!

i think it adequately reflects Ear Leader's decisive response to the recent terror attacks on the country he allegedly swore to protect & defend.

230 SixDegrees  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:05:46am

re: #193 cenotaphium

Seemed to make sense. If you want to exchange it for a persecution complex token, you're welcome.

As I understand it, the inscriptions in question have been part of the company's products from it's inception, put there at the insistence of their founder, long before military contracts started rolling in. I would bet that every product they've made bears them - including the ones sent to the military for evaluation prior to bid acceptance.

That no one noticed until now isn't particularly surprising. They're small, unobtrusive and easily mistaken for a serial or part number.

The government can, of course, request a design modification in the contract - to eliminate the inscriptions. And most manufacturers would happily comply, even if it involved an existing contract, because such modifications involve extra payments and customer goodwill. Going forward, the government can insert such clauses into future contracts; when this one comes up for re-bid, I imagine it will contain such a clause. Then it will be up to the company to decide whether it wants to go along.

But at present, I just can't get very excited about this either way.

As far as the reaction of those we're shooting at is concerned, I really don't care. We're shooting at them, after all. And if they don't find something about our guns to be outraged over, they'll find something about our dress or our food or our speech or our cartoons to fume over. It's the nature of an enemy to do such things. And the ten seconds worth of consideration given the matter in this paragraph is really all it requires.

231 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:06:30am

re: #225 Cato the Elder

re: #225 Cato the Elder


Well....that answer speaks volumes. Feel free to go back to pining for Ludwig then.....

232 sagehen  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:06:42am

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

America has always preferred a war hero to a clever lawyer, which is a sign that this country has its priorities in order.


That's good news! For John McCain!

//

233 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:07:32am

re: #231 Fenway_Nation

Boy, I sure hope you and I can still communicate once we're in Pyongyang.

/

234 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:07:59am

re: #227 cenotaphium

Is this "w*rk" and "j*b" thing some witticism about work and jobs being taboo subjects in todays society?

it's a holdover from a news group i used to frequent when my ISP had news servers: alt.drunken.bastards . those words were considered to be obscene, so they were censored. if you wish to give me credit for some deep thought and commentary on today's society, you may.

(or you can just tell me to "shove it deep and hard". i don;t give a damn one way or the other. %-)

235 palomino  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:08:28am

re: #215 redc1c4

sure, ONE point is a big deal in an election. but in the less precise world of approval ratings 4-5 points isn't huge. either way, without economic improvement, it's doubtful his numbers move up much.

236 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:09:18am

re: #233 TheMatrix31

Maybe William Shatner will jump through the wall a-la the Kool Aid guy to help the last true patriot negotiate an excellent price on one-way group airfare to N. Korea.

237 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:10:26am

re: #236 Fenway_Nation

Oh Yeah!

238 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:11:03am

re: #230 SixDegrees


i believe the contracts were let as "COTS" commercial off the shelf. i.e. existing products that meet the standards and specifications for the j*b, and that can be purchased "as is" without lots of red tape, testing, etc.... thus saving lots of time & $$, plus getting the needed product to the troops faster.

239 SixDegrees  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:11:21am

re: #236 Fenway_Nation

Maybe William Shatner will jump through the wall a-la the Kool Aid guy to help the last true patriot negotiate an excellent price on one-way group airfare to N. Korea.

"Pyong_yang Ne_goti_a_tor!"

Catchy.

240 redc1c4  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:13:02am

chaos, panic, disorder...... my w*rk here is done.

enjoy the fruitcup!

/white smoke

241 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:14:09am

re: #240 redc1c4

Who was that masked scraggly man that seemed a little inebriated?

242 sagehen  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:14:09am

re: #133 lostlakehiker

Can you seriously entertain the notion that Petraeus isn't every bit as smart as Obama? The military gives IQ tests and no bones about it, and Petraeus stood high enough that they knew if he also had character and energy, that, together with brains, could carry him far.

But that's just test scores. Maybe they don't really say anything? But Petraeus turned around what looked to almost everybody like a lost cause in Iraq. He even wrote a manual explaining how to do such things, and then he went in and proved that his theorizing was correct. He's the nearest thing we have to Cletus Graeme of the Dorsai saga.

Whether he'd be any good at politics is another question. Eisenhower was, but Patton, not so much. From what I can tell, Petraeus isn't in the least interested in running.


Wes Clark was valedictorian at West Point, 4-star general, Supreme Allied Commander of NATO forces. And he won his war... with 0 Americans KIA.

His 2004 campaign fizzled somewhere around New Hampshire.

243 Bagua  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:14:31am

re: #228 iceweasel

You think it's merely a meme? I think it's true.
"Coakely cock-up" works for me, though.

As I mentioned to the Windupbird there are no doubt a number of secondary drivers to consider. But in their totality they do not explain this reversal of fortunes.

Focus on one of the secondary factors is therefore wishful thinking at best, and spin at worst. This is Massachusetts. This is big.

The Democrats should at minimum give up all hope of regaining their 60 vote monopoly in November and focus on achieving some things that will have bipartisan support so the Obama Presidency has at least some accomplishments.

But if they go into denial with the "bad campaign" meme and keep pushing the partisan extremes, nothing will be accomplished.

244 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:14:52am

re: #229 redc1c4

"Ear Leader."

GAZE.

245 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:15:25am

My new schedule means that I really shouldn't be up this late. I have to be up by 10:00 or so to make dad breakfast. Followed by the home nurse between 11 and 12 followed by taking him to chemo at 1:15 followed by the physical therapist coming between 4 and 5. Add in doing dishes, doing laundry (everyday now with bed linens), making lunch, making dinner, and constantly picking up after mom and him.

Somehow I pictured my retirement back to sunny Florida a little differently, instead I'm now a fulltime home care aide. Still it is my dad, what else can you do?

My beautiful seventh floor condo with the newly remodeled kitchen in Pasadena and the gorgeous sunsets from the balcony over the waterway is sitting vacant while I have moved in to the second bedroom here that mom has almost completely packed full of junk. I cleared off the trundle bed and an ailse to the door but thats as far as I have gotten so far. The one bonus is that I added a cable modem to their cable plan so I'm away from my constantly screwed up DSL line at home for a while.

The physical therapist is coming in three times a week and is pushing dad pretty hard which is good. If he gets to where he can get into and out of the car and tub on his own then maybe I can go back home for at least a while. That would be good because mom and I are already snipeing at each other like cats and dogs, middleaged men really aren't meant to be living with their mother are they?

246 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:15:26am

re: #240 redc1c4

GN red!

247 SixDegrees  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:15:29am

re: #238 redc1c4

i believe the contracts were let as "COTS" commercial off the shelf. i.e. existing products that meet the standards and specifications for the j*b, and that can be purchased "as is" without lots of red tape, testing, etc... thus saving lots of time & $$, plus getting the needed product to the troops faster.

Even if they weren't, the company's been putting this stuff on all their products forever. It's part of their "standard" manufacturing process.

The government is well within their rights to ask that the inscriptions be removed in future contracts, and to seek a modification of the existing contract. But the products meet spec, and the inscriptions were, I'm quite certain, stamped on the samples provided to the government prior to bid acceptance, so I'm not seeing any real issue here.

NPR reported yesterday that samples have been found in military inventory bearing the inscriptions on sights that had been purchased as long ago as 1996. Hardly a new development, and Clinton never struck me as much of a proselytizer.

248 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:15:55am

re: #186 redc1c4

Need a new keyboard? Newegg has 'em starting at $5.

Meanwhile, here's a handy ASCII table. ALT+111 (use the numberpad) yields an "o".

Or is the * thing supposed to be profoundly clever?

249 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:17:43am

re: #248 negativ

He explained it already.

250 srb1976  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:18:54am

re: #249 TheMatrix31

He explained it already.

I always thought it was cute, anyway
= )

251 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:19:26am

re: #249 TheMatrix31

I see it now. Apparently, there's some alternate universe where there's a censored Usenet.

252 laZardo  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:19:31am

re: #6 Cato the Elder

I see writing "Obama" with a zero is still considered the height of clever in some circles.

84r4ck 084m4?

/lol i'm so 1337

253 cenotaphium  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:19:49am

re: #214 redc1c4

if you have an absence of belief, you are an agnostic. if you are sure there is no god, and you are willing to argue about it, your religion is atheism, and, at the basic level, you're the same as any other religious believer. claiming to be for "religious freedom" while using that claim to eradicate any and all mentions of other established religions in public life is intellectually dishonest.

Ah. It's a confusion of terms then.

I usually refer to this chart when I talk about atheism and agnosticism. I understand that a lot of people consider it a linear scale from theist - agnostic - atheist, but I think there's a strong case for the separation in two axes made by the chart. I know a lot of atheists who agree that it better represents what they intend. The "weak" and "strong" atheism (and theism) terms have existed independently of this illustration, and I think it's as unfair to claim all atheists are "strong atheists" as it is to say Deism is the same thing as Christianity.

Realizing that people who call themselves atheist in the literalist sense (not-theist) fit pretty much in your "agnostic" view can save both you & others a lot of flared emotions & discussion. :)

I would like to think this viewpoint can be put forth as any philosophical viewpoint, without falling into "religion".

As for your second claim, I agree to some extent. However, I think that letting public life have a neutral ground of secularism is a good rule of thumb (I really hope you don't think secularism is some atheist agenda also). Note that I'm from Sweden, where (generally) your beliefs are your business.

254 sagehen  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:22:47am

re: #165 Cato the Elder

OK, how many great "war hero" presidents have we had besides Washington?

Grant? Great general, president, not so much.

Ike? A genial boob.

JFK? We'll never know how he would have turned out.

When we Romans made a war hero into our leader, it was not long before the Republic disappeared.

Just sayin'.

Ike is one of my three favorites, I can't sit silent when he's being badmouthed.

He balanced the budget and started paying down the war debt. He did great follow-through on the Marshall Plan, he knew when to cut our losses in Korea, he built the interstate highways.

And when the Supreme Court made a highly controversial decision in 1954 that he didn't even like, he still said "okay, you're the boss," and by god he enforced it.

255 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:23:53am

Holy shit!! I just hit the show users button and the place is packed!! Is crack on sale or something? Morning.

256 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:24:28am

re: #244 Cato the Elder

"Ear Leader."

GAZE.

My my......awfully sensetive, aren't we? I think you may have helped me selet a new pet name for the current POTUS.

257 laZardo  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:25:39am

Obama's been in office for a whole year already?

Man, how time flies...

258 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:25:41am

re: #253 cenotaphium

Right, we will just all understand the word to be what you believe it should mean rather than it's actually dictionary definition.

/I have this argument (agnostic or atheist) at least once a week with someone believe it or not.

259 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:26:15am

re: #255 Cannadian Club Akbar

Holy shit!! I just hit the show users button and the place is packed!! Is crack on sale or something?

Yes.

You'll have to get your own, though.

260 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:27:04am

re: #258 ausador

Right, we will just all understand the word to be what you believe it should mean rather than it's actually dictionary definition.

/I have this argument (agnostic or atheist) at least once a week with someone believe it or not.

And yet you still don't know the difference between "it's' and "its".

However do you maintain?

261 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:27:17am

re: #259 Fenway_Nation

Yes.

You'll have to get your own, though.

I can safely say I don't want your crack.:)

262 srb1976  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:27:22am

re: #255 Cannadian Club Akbar

Holy shit!! I just hit the show users button and the place is packed!! Is crack on sale or something? Morning.

2 for 1 special!

263 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:29:47am

re: #243 Bagua

As I mentioned to the Windupbird there are no doubt a number of secondary drivers to consider. But in their totality they do not explain this reversal of fortunes.

Focus on one of the secondary factors is therefore wishful thinking at best, and spin at worst. This is Massachusetts. This is big.

The Democrats should at minimum give up all hope of regaining their 60 vote monopoly in November and focus on achieving some things that will have bipartisan support so the Obama Presidency has at least some accomplishments.

But if they go into denial with the "bad campaign" meme and keep pushing the partisan extremes, nothing will be accomplished.

We disagree on this, and will no doubt continue to do so.
Coakley ran a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad campaign. And was not a good candidate to begin with. I take her loss to be deserved, and I don't see it as a referendum on "Obama" or HCR, although that's essentially the way it's already being spun by the Villagers. Moreover, it's not as if the Dems ever had a super-majority in anything but name only-- witness their failure to have already gotten HCR done. Too many Blue Dogs, too many in their own party against the agenda.

Which is another reason why I'm fairly sanguine about the result. The lesson the Dems ought to learn, but probably will not, is that they never should have taken that seat, or any seat, for granted-- especially so long as the economy remains in the crapper.

264 cenotaphium  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:31:22am

re: #258 ausador

Right, we will just all understand the word to be what you believe it should mean rather than it's actually dictionary definition.

/I have this argument (agnostic or atheist) at least once a week with someone believe it or not.

Arguing from dictionary definitions is a fallacy in its own right, I think. Language is a living thing and definitions change all the time. As I thought I made clear, this is not my own pet definition, it's quite wide-spread. That there is a confusion beyond the dictionary definition should be evidenced by you having the same argument weekly?

265 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:32:20am

re: #260 Cato the Elder

And yet you still don't know the difference between "it's' and "its".

However do you maintain?

At 4:31 AM I really don't care.

266 sagehen  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:32:36am

re: #175 WindUpBird

I will say I like what Ike said about the military industrial complex!

Conservatives don't like to talk about that so much.

more Ike quotes:

"Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists
and rebels -- men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As
their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion."


"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired
signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not
fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not
spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the
genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one
modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30
cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000
population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles
of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half
million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new
homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I
repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has
been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under
the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of
iron."


"Preventative war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing."


"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."

267 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:33:21am

re: #264 cenotaphium

Arguing from dictionary definitions is a fallacy in its own right, I think. Language is a living thing and definitions change all the time. As I thought I made clear, this is not my own pet definition, it's quite wide-spread. That there is a confusion beyond the dictionary definition should be evidenced by you having the same argument weekly?

There's also a specific problem with people objecting to what atheists themselves mean when they use the word atheist. Surely we atheists get to say what it means?
It would be pretty crazy if we ran around telling Christians they can't use the word Christian for themselves (or something similar).

268 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:35:52am

re: #263 iceweasel

Coakley ran a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad campaign. And was not a good candidate to begin with.

Keep in mind that Massachusetts is populated by Democrat party faithful who would vote for the hobo sleeping under the King Street overpass if he had a (D) next to his name. There is no doubt that Coakley ran a gaffe-licous campaign that made even Brown supporters cringe at the time, but I think that party faithful is just about the only thing that prevented it from being a double-digit loss for Coakley in the land of Kennedy (and Norman Rockwell and Doug Flutie and the guy who wrote Spencer For Hire and Whitey Bulger...)

269 srb1976  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:37:05am

re: #267 iceweasel

There's also a specific problem with people objecting to what atheists themselves mean when they use the word atheist. Surely we atheists get to say what it means?
It would be pretty crazy if we ran around telling Christians they can't use the word Christian for themselves (or something similar).

First, you have to generally agree amongst yourselves what it means.....I prefer agnostic for myself, but that's more of a catch all term.

270 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:39:10am

All you atheist and agnostics are gonna burn. You know that, right?
//Pat Robertson mode off

271 Bagua  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:39:12am

re: #263 iceweasel

a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad campaign. And was not a good candidate to begin with.

That sounds serious. I suppose if she was not a good candidate to begin with and was only terrible, but not horrible and also the other stuff she would have been a shoe in.

But this is Massachusetts, she could have been Barney Frank and won in other than extra-ordinary times.


Which is another reason why I'm fairly sanguine about the result. The lesson the Dems ought to learn, but probably will not, is that they never should have taken that seat, or any seat, for granted-- especially so long as the economy remains in the crapper.

True that. It is the economy stupid. Obama is a busted flush. Nobody really cares about these issues as much as having a job and being able to buy gas.


Youtube Video
272 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:40:29am

re: #264 cenotaphium

Less than 2% of the US population call themselves atheists in the surveys, yet close to 24% are unaffiliated with any religion. To me those numbers seem about right, 2% are willing to claim that there is no God without any evidence, 21% don't claim to know or care if there is, and 76%+ believe in some form of higher power without any evidence.

Recently there has been a hugh upsurge in the use of the word atheist, it is kindy trendy some places on the web now to say you are one it seems. That does not make it a correct useage of the term though.

273 Bagua  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:40:35am

re: #265 ausador

At 4:31 AM I really don't care.

Don't say that. Without literacy what separates us from the monkeys?

274 laZardo  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:40:54am

re: #266 sagehen

I have an old pile of International Combat Arms magazines from the late 80s. One article complains how bureaucratic the military-industrial complex had become since Ike's time...

275 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:42:14am

re: #268 Fenway_Nation

Keep in mind that Massachusetts is populated by Democrat party faithful who would vote for the hobo sleeping under the King Street overpass if he had a (D) next to his name. There is no doubt that Coakley ran a gaffe-licous campaign that made even Brown supporters cringe at the time, but I think that party faithful is just about the only thing that prevented it from being a double-digit loss for Coakley in the land of Kennedy (and Norman Rockwell and Doug Flutie and the guy who wrote Spencer For Hire and Whitey Bulger...)

Yeah, I agree with you. Somewhere else it likely would have been much, much worse for her.
And that was (one) of the mistakes made. There's no doubt in my mind that the party was infected with hubris-- they really thought anyone with a D would take that seat. They were wrong-- and imo incredibly stupid not to realise that the economy alone meant there would be an awful lot of distaste for electing another Dem to that seat, precisely because it was held by a Dem for so long.
I still say the economy will be the determining factor for Obama in 2012. If it's still tanking, he's out. Period.
(The only other factor that could have as much large scale effect would be a major and successful terrorist attack on US soil-- along the lines of 9-11. I hope that won't happen, but I have that hope always regardless of who is in office.)

276 srb1976  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:42:30am

re: #273 Bagua

Don't say that. Without literacy what separates us from the monkeys?

The ability to wear great shoes! = )

277 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:44:22am

re: #271 Bagua

True that. It is the economy stupid. Obama is a busted flush. Nobody really cares about these issues as much as having a job and being able to buy gas.
[Video]

Heh. It was a children's book reference:
Martha and the Terrible, Horrible, No-Good, Very Bad Day

278 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:45:27am

re: #273 Bagua

Don't say that. Without literacy what separates us from the monkeys?

pr0n?

279 Bagua  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:45:47am

re: #276 srb1976

The ability to wear great shoes! = )

Right, that too. I forgot about the shoes. Ausador please note this correction. Great shoes also separate us from the monkeys.

280 sagehen  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:46:26am

re: #214 redc1c4

if you have an absence of belief, you are an agnostic. if you are sure there is no god, and you are willing to argue about it, your religion is atheism, and, at the basic level, you're the same as any other religious believer. claiming to be for "religious freedom" while using that claim to eradicate any and all mentions of other established religions in public life is intellectually dishonest.

Mikey Weinstein is no atheist; and he's not ignorant of miltiary culture. It's very much about religious freedom that he doesn't want the United States Military to endorse and advance any form of Christianity.

281 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:47:02am

re: #278 Fenway_Nation

How many times do we have to say it.....you cant use the zero!

//

282 srb1976  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:47:12am

re: #277 iceweasel

Heh. It was a children's book reference:
Martha and the Terrible, Horrible, No-Good, Very Bad Day

It was a great book too....but for some reason I always thought it was "no good, extra bad day"....go figure

283 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:48:17am

re: #282 srb1976

It was a great book too...but for some reason I always thought it was "no good, extra bad day"...go figure

I KNEW you'd get it! Reckoned you'd read it to the little ones at some point. :-)

284 sagehen  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:48:51am

re: #228 iceweasel

You think it's merely a meme? I think it's true.
"Coakely cock-up" works for me, though.

I've heard it called "the chokely campaign."

285 Bagua  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:50:33am

re: #278 Fenway_Nation

pr0n?

Well that too.

Ok never-mind ausidor, there appear to be loads of things that separate us from the monkeys. Scratch my caution. It's jolly in its way.

286 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:51:34am

re: #276 srb1976

The ability to wear great shoes! = )

Don't forget hats, ever seen a monkey wearing a hat?

/(besides in bad TV commercials I mean)

287 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:52:30am

re: #286 ausador

Don't forget hats, ever seen a monkey wearing a hat?

/(besides in bad TV commercials I mean)

The TV show Bj and the Bear.

288 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:53:43am

re: #284 sagehen

I've heard it called "the chokely campaign."

I like that. Stealing it!

re: #281 TheMatrix31

How many times do we have to say it...you cant use the zero!

//


It's not yet on the list of words you can't use here, but as mentioned, Charles at least once said he isn't a fan of it. If it starts getting common usage here I suspect comments employing it might start being deleted---- just as with the other, once common nickname. Just a headsup.

289 srb1976  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:54:09am

re: #283 iceweasel

I KNEW you'd get it! Reckoned you'd read it to the little ones at some point. :-)

They love all things story at this point, but Little Man's current favorite is Animals Nobody Loves good stuff

290 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:54:27am

re: #288 iceweasel

He said pr0n.

291 srb1976  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:54:36am

re: #286 ausador

Don't forget hats, ever seen a monkey wearing a hat?

/(besides in bad TV commercials I mean)

two words...Lancelot Link

292 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:55:46am

re: #290 TheMatrix31

He said pr0n.

Have an upding for that, and your joke.

293 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:56:27am

Incoherence is rapidly approaching, I haven't been up this late in two weeks or so, goodnight folks.

294 sagehen  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:57:06am

re: #273 Bagua

Don't say that. Without literacy what separates us from the monkeys?

Opposable thumbs.

295 idioma  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:58:12am

re: #294 sagehen

Opposable thumbs.

Untrue, almost all primates have opposable thumbs used for grasping things, especially tree branches, and picking up things. Humans, apes, and most monkeys have this type of thumb. Humans have more flexibility for manipulating small objects and they can move their thumbs across their hands much better and farther than any other primate giving humans the most dexterity of all primates.

296 Bagua  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:58:23am

Brian doing the Snoopy Dance.

Youtube Video
297 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:58:47am

re: #267 iceweasel

There's also a specific problem with people objecting to what atheists themselves mean when they use the word atheist. Surely we atheists get to say what it means?
It would be pretty crazy if we ran around telling Christians they can't use the word Christian for themselves (or something similar).

It goes both ways.

Atheists like Dawkins are constantly telling Christians what they believe, as if they had a clue.

Of course, Christians are always telling other Christians where to get off.

I try to stay out of it all.

298 laZardo  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:00:46am

re: #296 Bagua

Youtube Video
299 Bagua  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:01:31am

re: #295 idioma

Untrue, almost all primates have opposable thumbs

Ha, you tell him idioma.

Next?

300 laZardo  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:04:00am

And now I head to night college. Cheers.

301 cenotaphium  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:05:43am

re: #272 ausador

Less than 2% of the US population call themselves atheists in the surveys, yet close to 24% are unaffiliated with any religion. To me those numbers seem about right, 2% are willing to claim that there is no God without any evidence, 21% don't claim to know or care if there is, and 76%+ believe in some form of higher power without any evidence.

Recently there has been a hugh upsurge in the use of the word atheist, it is kindy trendy some places on the web now to say you are one it seems. That does not make it a correct useage of the term though.

I'm sorry, was the survey explicit in calling for atheists to subscribe to the definition you give? Clearly there are people who call themselves atheist who do not "claim that there is no God without any evidence", as I tried to point out in #253.
And the US population isn't the only population with atheists, you know? As I mentioned, I'm in Sweden. We might still have high numbers of registered Christians (mainly because until recently you were automatically a member unless you opted out), but according to various surveys in religiosity we rank among the lowest.
I'm not sure what your case is, but it seems to be centered around a low self-identifying number of atheists in the US somehow not being numerous enough to warrant a discussion on the term? The debate about what being atheist means isn't a regional one. One of the issues with identifying an atheist population has in fact been the lack of a discussion about the terms. People have been reluctant to call themselves atheist, some opting for "agnostic", others for "non-religious" or even more convoluted terms.

I think Iceweasel had an excellent point about the term as of now not being defined by its adherents. I have yet to meet an atheist that defines atheism as being the (positive) belief that (a) God (absolutely) does not exist.

As for that last paragraph.. GAZE.

302 cenotaphium  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:08:26am

re: #297 Cato the Elder

Atheists like Dawkins are constantly telling Christians what they believe, as if they had a clue.

It's popular to pick the most vocal assholes as representatives of a point of view you disagree with, but I think it'd be dishonest to think of Richard Dawkins as representative of atheism, in the same way Pat Robertson isn't really the poster child for Christianity.

303 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:09:16am

re: #297 Cato the Elder

It goes both ways.

Atheists like Dawkins are constantly telling Christians what they believe, as if they had a clue.

Of course, Christians are always telling other Christians where to get off.

I try to stay out of it all.

Yeah, I can't speak for Dawkins, been quite a while since I've read him or kept up to speed on his doings (or sayings).
I'm an atheist in the sense in which he is: Can I prove there is no God? No, but neither can I 'prove' there isn't a leprechaun in the garden. I regard both as highly unlikely. As in, vanishingly small (ha) chance.

But I don't care what others believe, nor do I think religion is eeeevil, nor do I have any desire to convince anyone else to believe what I believe-- or to take their religion away from them. It's demonstrably helpful to many believers, and religion has certainly been (and continues to be) a force for good in many cases.
So long as religion is kept out of the public square-- by which I mean, government, science textbooks, science policies, our bedrooms, and female bodies* -- hey, have at it.
*in principle I want it kept out of men's reproductive choices as well, but they ain't in danger in the way women's choices are.

304 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:09:28am

re: #277 iceweasel

At breakfast Anthony found a Corvette Sting Ray car kit in his breakfast cereal box and Nick found a Junior Undercover Agent code ring in his cereal box but in my cereal box all I found was breakfast cereal.

I think I'll move to Australia.

-Alexander and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good Very Bad Day.

Loved reading that to my kids...

305 jordash1212  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:12:31am

Anyone else happen to be watching this epic battle between James Blake and Juan Martin Del Potro?

306 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:13:44am

Not Another New England Sports Blog! shouts the good news from the rooftops (as well as points out a couple of no-brainers).

307 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:14:10am

re: #302 cenotaphium

It's popular to pick the most vocal assholes as representatives of a point of view you disagree with, but I think it'd be dishonest to think of Richard Dawkins as representative of atheism, in the same way Pat Robertson isn't really the poster child for Christianity.

Dawkins is both by his own choice and popular acclaim one of the current spokesmen for atheism. I see nothing "dishonest" in taking him and his cheering section at their word.

308 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:14:33am

re: #304 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

At breakfast Anthony found a Corvette Sting Ray car kit in his breakfast cereal box and Nick found a Junior Undercover Agent code ring in his cereal box but in my cereal box all I found was breakfast cereal.

I think I'll move to Australia.

-Alexander and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good Very Bad Day.

Loved reading that to my kids...

Hey FBV! morning. Hope you're well.
It's an adorable book, isn't it?
BTW, I will ask you at some point for any seitan recipes you have. Planning on smuggling some into Jimmah's food. :-)
/forthcoming stalker blog post: "ZOMG iceweasel the atheist worships SEITAN!"

309 Bagua  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:14:48am

re: #303 iceweasel


*in principle I want it kept out of men's reproductive choices as well,

And yet the men yearn to include you. Such is unrequited love.

310 freetoken  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:15:17am

Anyone here still surf with Javascript turned off, or is that now passe and everybody feels safe about it?

311 srb1976  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:15:30am

re: #304 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

At breakfast Anthony found a Corvette Sting Ray car kit in his breakfast cereal box and Nick found a Junior Undercover Agent code ring in his cereal box but in my cereal box all I found was breakfast cereal.

I think I'll move to Australia.

-Alexander and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good Very Bad Day.

Loved reading that to my kids...

We rather like that one here too, as well as the animal book I mentioned earlier, and both kids are fans of Kipling's Just So Stories (even the 2 year old likes to listen) especially the Elephant's Child. Although I mostly got those because I love them...the kids were just the excuse = )

312 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:17:01am

re: #307 Cato the Elder

Dawkins is both by his own choice and popular acclaim one of the current spokesmen for atheism. I see nothing "dishonest" in taking him and his cheering section at their word.

Yeah, but just like highlighting Hitchens's comments about religion, it isn't always the loudest spokespeople, or the ones with the most attention, who are most representative. (Cf. the points about Robertson, or even taking Fred Phelps as indicative of all of Christianity).

313 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:19:28am

I was going to call this 'The Procrastinating, Lazy Bastard's Guide to Helping Out in Haiti' since the title would've been somewhat autobiographical, but I ultimately went with:

The Haiti Earthquake and Surprisingly Simple Things you Can Do to Help

/without even leaving your computer, even!

314 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:19:47am

re: #312 iceweasel

Yeah, but just like highlighting Hitchens's comments about religion, it isn't always the loudest spokespeople, or the ones with the most attention, who are most representative. (Cf. the points about Robertson, or even taking Fred Phelps as indicative of all of Christianity).

Is there such a thing as a "representative" atheist?

315 freetoken  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:20:56am

re: #314 Cato the Elder

Is there such a thing as a "representative" atheist?

Duhhh... Josef Stalin!

316 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:22:41am

re: #309 Bagua

And yet the men yearn to include you. Such is unrequited love.

If I were mild, and I were sweet,
And laid my heart before your feet,
And took my dearest thoughts to you,
And hailed your easy lies as true;
Were I to murmur "Yes," and then
"How true, my dear," and "Yes," again,
And wear my eyes discreetly down,
And tremble whitely at your frown,
And keep my words unquestioning
My love, you'd run like anything!
Dorothy Parker is pretty damn good on unrequited love, and other such subjects.

317 Bagua  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:22:56am

re: #310 freetoken

Anyone here still surf with Javascript turned off, or is that now passe and everybody feels safe about it?

I leave javascript on and have never had a problem. Have about a dozen pc's like this and never had an issue.

Just Avira Free, Windows Firewall, updates and a router with SPI.

318 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:26:33am

And while I'm pimping (pimp, Fenway, pimp!) here's a Haiti-centric update.

319 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:29:10am

re: #310 freetoken

Anyone here still surf with Javascript turned off, or is that now passe and everybody feels safe about it?

Dunno. I used to leave it turned off, but stopped recently. Hasn't been a problem.

320 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:31:51am

Good Morning Lizards.

If you haven't watched, John Stewert's skewering of the Dems in Mass is worth watching.

"It's not that the Republicans are playing chess and the Democrats are playing checkers. The Republicans are playing chess and the Dems are in the nurses office because, once again, they glued their balls to their thigh'"

Comedy Central Video
321 Bagua  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:32:48am

Well it has been a pleasure celebrating the historic end to the hegemony of sixty with you all.

The forty first Senator has been elected against all odds, to all a good night.

322 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:34:19am

re: #320 rwdflynavy

Who knew they had balls to begin with?

323 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:36:16am

re: #322 TheMatrix31

In Barney Frank's case, maybe he glues somebody else's to his thigh.

324 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:36:24am

re: #322 TheMatrix31

Who knew they had balls to begin with?

Hillary keeps them in a box in her office.
/

325 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:37:51am

re: #324 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hillary keeps them in a box in her office.
/

It's a locked box. /
(ref is to Gore in 2000, not a slam at Hillary or women, obv).

326 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:39:27am

re: #325 iceweasel

It's a locked box. /
(ref is to Gore in 2000, not a slam at Hillary or women, obv).

I remember.:)

327 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:44:29am

re: #323 Fenway_Nation

Thats....offensive.

....to my mind.

328 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:44:36am

re: #326 Cannadian Club Akbar

I remember.:)

heh, i knew you would, and most here. When I make a comment like that I always add context-- for the LGF haters on the right and left who love to pull comments out of context and have a little shit-fit.
they do it all the time. I don't think the left is currently doing it as much as they used to, but there are still loads of them who would.

329 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:48:05am

Doesn anyone remember one of the earlier episodes of South Park where they tried putting on an inoffensive non-denominational CHristmas pageant that backfired....and after all the shenanigans the credits began to roll and it showed Jesus sitting by himself in his studio, moping and singing 'Happy Birthday to me....' over a cupcake with a little candle stuck in it while trying not to cry?

I think that's how 0Obama might be marking the 1yr anniversary of his innaguration.

330 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:51:06am

Florida is trying to pass a law to make it illegal to have sex with an animal. 20th century here we come!!!

331 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:52:12am

re: #330 Cannadian Club Akbar

Florida is trying to pass a law to make it illegal to have sex with an animal. 20th century here we come!!!

Vegetables and minerals are still kosher, right?

332 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:54:12am

re: #331 Fenway_Nation

Vegetables and minerals are still kosher, right?

Note to self: buy a cantaloupe.
/

333 srb1976  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:56:26am

re: #332 Cannadian Club Akbar

Note to self: buy a cantaloupe.
/

Cantaloupe? Really? Never would have thought of that.....

334 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:57:47am

re: #333 srb1976

Cantaloupe? Really? Never would have thought of that...

Just warm it in the microwave first.
//

335 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 3:02:04am

re: #5 Cato the Elder

Vonnegut called humankind "an avalanche of hot meat that eats everything in sight, makes love, and then doubles in size."

Sounds like my neighbor.

Morning All.

336 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 3:08:34am

Well...busy day for the propietor of Not Another New England Sports Blog so I should probably get ready for my two jobs.

And those restless progressives upset with the outcome of Tuesday's election, I can only offer this this advice.

337 srb1976  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 3:10:37am

re: #336 Fenway_Nation

Well...busy day for the propietor of Not Another New England Sports Blog so I should probably get ready for my two jobs.

And those restless progressives upset with the outcome of Tuesday's election, I can only offer this this advice.

Have a great day Fenway....was nice to "see" you again!

338 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 3:10:46am

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. I wish General Petraus would resign and make a run. He'd be able to knock Obama back on his heels. America has always preferred a war hero to a clever lawyer, which is a sign that this country has its priorities in order.

I love the General but I'd prefer someone who has actually had to worry about making payroll. We elected a man who has zero actual experience at one of the most difficult economic times in the past 100 years and we're paying the price.

339 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 3:11:31am

re: #335 RogueOne

Morning, wayward thingey of the solitary persuasion!

Just on my way out....

340 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 3:12:24am

re: #337 srb1976

Likewise, srb! Don't be a stranger!

(nic is bleu)

341 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 3:20:39am

re: #193 cenotaphium

Lawyer and former air force officer Michael Weinstein said the inscriptions play into the hands of those who say the U.S. is on a 'crusade' against Islam. 'It allows the Mujahedeen, the Taliban, Al Qaeda and the insurrectionists and jihadists to claim they're being shot by Jesus rifles,' he said.

I'm an atheist and even I think shooting jihadis with "jesus rifles" is funny.

342 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 3:20:52am

Hey computer geeks, question. My laptop was stolen. Anyway to track it down if someone goes online with it? I didn't have lowjack on it. (I think I know the answer)

343 srb1976  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 3:24:00am

re: #340 Fenway_Nation

Likewise, srb! Don't be a stranger!

(nic is bleu)

Afraid I'm out as well....gotta start my very long work week = )
Will try to drop you a line later today! Take care!!

344 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 3:26:19am

re: #342 Cannadian Club Akbar

That sucks. Without Lojack I don't know how you'd track it. You have PGP on it?

345 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 3:27:07am

re: #344 RogueOne

That sucks. Without Lojack I don't know how you'd track it. You have PGP on it?

I don't know.

346 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 3:34:43am

re: #345 Cannadian Club Akbar

If you did, you'd know. Sorry about your loss. That was said with sincerity btw.

347 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 3:35:57am

re: #341 RogueOne

I'm an atheist and even I think shooting jihadis with "jesus rifles" is funny.

Have to disagree with you on that, my friend. It's exactly the sort of issue that will be used against us by jihadis and their handlers to claim that the US is engaged in a 'religious war' against Islam and all Muslims.

The moonbatty left will also say that. Much better to keep religion out of it.
Kids Kill In Violent Christian Videogame

US military is meeting recruitment goals with video games – but at what cost?
Much more.
And He Shall Be Judged

This mixing of Crusades-like messaging with war imagery, which until now has not been revealed, had become routine.


Much, much more.
Not good.

348 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 3:36:35am

re: #346 RogueOne

If you did, you'd know. Sorry about your loss. That was said with sincerity btw.

Cool. It was taken from my mom's house while I was at my house. That means one of my brothers friends. I'll just go Jack Bauer on them.

349 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 3:39:19am

re: #347 iceweasel

They don't need excuses to act like assholes, it's who they are. The only way it could be funnier is if they used women's names on them.//

Morning Joe just showed the video of the jets fan getting arrested at the Chargers game this weekend. They said he spent 15 hours in jail, wow.

350 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 3:40:06am

re: #347 iceweasel

Much, much more.
Not good.

I think Jihadis will always find something to be upset about. I'd rather we just dip all our bullets in pig's blood and be done with it.
//kinda

351 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 3:40:42am

life intrudes.

BBL

352 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 3:41:56am

re: #350 rwdflynavy

I think Jihadis will always find something to be upset about. I'd rather we just dip all our bullets in pig's blood and be done with it.
//kinda

Some of our guys wipe their bullets with bacon. Freaked out their translators.

353 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 3:43:51am

re: #349 RogueOne

They don't need excuses to act like assholes, it's who they are. The only way it could be funnier is if they used women's names on them.//

Updinged you anyway, but there's no need for us to basically hand jihadis a recruiting tool. That's what this kind of shit does.

They're falling apart anyway. I'm not saying jihad isn't a major problem and threat, but the global jihad has been falling apart, imo.
Cracks in the Jihad
Takeaway:

In combating terrorism, therefore, quantity matters as much as quality. But some numbers matter more than others. How many additional American and European troops are sent to Afghanistan matters less than the number of terrorist plots that don’t happen. Success will be found subtly in statistics, in data curves that slope down or level off, not in one particular action, one capitulation, or even one leader’s death. It will be marked not by military campaigns and other events but by decisions not taken and attacks not launched. Because participation in the holy war in both its local and global forms is an individual decision, these choices have to be the unit of analysis, and influencing them must be the goal of policy and strategy. As in crime prevention, measuring success—how many potential terrorists did not join an armed group or commit a terrorist act—is nearly impossible. Success against Islamic militancy may wear a veil.


It really is a battle for hearts and minds in the long term view.

354 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 3:46:46am

re: #352 Cannadian Club Akbar

Some of our guys wipe their bullets with bacon. Freaked out their translators.

Not good. Nor is it good when people use the Koran for target practice.

We're going to win, and we are winning. Why do stupid shit that helps the freaks recruit and spread anti-US propaganda? It's just needlessly stupid.

355 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 3:48:30am

re: #354 iceweasel

I didn't know that. Not good at all.

356 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 3:53:19am

bbl

357 AmeriDan  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 3:53:46am

re: #353 iceweasel

I disagree... Our common foe disagrees also.

358 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 3:56:48am

John Edwards unfavorable rating of 72%, wow.

359 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 3:57:10am

re: #355 Cannadian Club Akbar

I didn't know that. Not good at all.

It's all the kind of thing that our actual enemies (jihadists) will seize upon, and DO seize upon, to propagate the lie that the US is engaged in a religious war against all Muslims everywhere.
It helps them recruit people. That's why I oppose it.

For the record, as a civil libertarian I wasn't wild about Obama's decision not to release some of the extant photos around about Abu G (such photos will always, always come out, and they already have in other countries) -- but I can't entirely say I oppose his decision there-- because I do think those images can be, will be, and are being used to whip up anti-US sentiment and consequently endanger our troops.
That's also my feeling about the rifle-sight revelations and similar. All of that is very, very bad when we do it, and we shouldn't do it.

Jihadis use that kind of thing to recruit. It helps them further the lie that the US is engaged in a religious war. And bottom line, I think it puts our troops in more danger, not less. US civilians too.

360 stayfrosty  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:00:14am

Looks like Republican voters aren't all right-wing fanatics after all! Phew. We can put the conspiracy theories to rest. /

The Wall Street Journal: Independent Voters Abandon Democrats

WASHINGTON—Democrats' loss in Tuesday's race for a Massachusetts Senate seat is a stark illustration of how support from independent voters has collapsed, a phenomenon that's prompting party leaders to revamp their playbook for this year's midterm elections.

Independent voters—typically centrist, white and working-class—backed President Barack Obama and the Democrats in 2008. But Massachusetts is now the third Obama-won state in the past three months where independents have swung decisively Republican.

And the Democrat response?

With Ms. Coakley's loss, a debate erupted late Tuesday among Democratic leaders and activists over how to win back independents. Liberal groups, such as union officials, demanded the party stick to its guns on core issues such as health care.

But party leaders called for shifting to a populist message talking about the economy and bashing Wall Street. Democrats plan to blame Republicans for the economy and align GOP candidates with their unpopular national leadership.

And probably the truest statement in the article (bottom):

In Massachusetts, Ms. Coakley's eleventh-hour efforts to adopt the populist strategy—she attacked Mr. Brown for his opposition to the Obama administration's new bank tax—didn't seem to work. Republican strategists say that the line fails to address voters' worries about joblessness and government spending.

"The voters don't want a boogeyman; they want less spending," said Nick Ayers, director of the Republican Governors Association.

361 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:04:40am

re: #357 AmeriDan

I disagree... Our common foe disagrees also.

Disagreement also welcome, but you haven't yet explained why and how you disagree. Pointing out that the enemy is awful and does horrible things doesn't help serve as a justification for the US doing needlessly dumb things.

362 laZardo  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:08:05am

re: #341 RogueOne

I'm an atheist and even I think shooting jihadis with "jesus rifles" is funny.

You ever play Postal 2? That's fun stuff.

/class is over, just waiting for little bro also attending night class so we can head back together.

363 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:15:52am

re: #362 laZardo

I loved those games. I still have them laying around here somewhere.

364 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:19:59am

Sheriff Joe's Enabler
Meet Maricopa County Attorney Andy Thomas—overtly political prosecutor, abuser of power, sworn enemy of libertarianism
[Link: reason.com...]


By now, most of America knows the name of Maricopa County, Arizona, Sheriff Joe Arpaio. The publicity-loving self-proclaimed "Toughest Sheriff in America" made himself famous with his desert tent prisons, chain gangs, reality TV show, and, most recently, with his almost certainly illegal crackdowns on undocumented immigrants. Arpaio is now the subject of a federal grand jury investigation.

Less known, at least outside of Arizona, is Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Peyton Thomas. But prosecutor Thomas has emerged as one of Arpaio's most reliable enablers.

For all Arpaio's tough-on-crime preening, Thomas may actually be more dangerous.
........
Using criminal charges—or the threat of them—to silence political opponents has become something of a habit for Thomas. He has indicted more than a dozen public officials who have criticized him or Arpaio. He has launched or threatened criminal investigations into dozens of others, including politicians, columnists, and other media figures who have dared to criticize him or the sheriff. When Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon asked for a federal investigation of Arpaio's immigration enforcement tactics, Arpaio and Thomas investigated him too, attempting to snoop on Gordon's email, appointment book, and phone records. Thomas even recently threatened to criminally investigate a defense attorney for issuing public statements in support of his client.

365 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:20:27am

How's it going, Massachusetts?


Youtube Video
366 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:23:24am

re: #341 RogueOne

I'm an atheist and even I think shooting jihadis with "jesus rifles" is funny.


Actually, Trijicon makes great scopes; expensive, but you get what you pay for. Leave it to some journalist to stir the pot.
Some jihadist doesn't like a scripture added to an ACOG?
Too bad.

367 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:25:30am

Oh, my goodness. I've made the Top 10!

WAY TO GO, MASSACHUSETTS!

368 lazardo  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:27:06am

re: #367 MandyManners

Oh, my goodness. I've made the Top 10!

WAY TO GO, MASSACHUSETTS!

Top of the Top 10. Whooooo~

369 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:28:55am

re: #368 lazardo

Top of the Top 10. Whooo~

*smooch*

370 lazardo  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:29:42am

re: #369 MandyManners

*smooch*

AAAGH COOTIES

371 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:31:52am

re: #366 Capitalist Tool

Actually, Trijicon makes great scopes; expensive, but you get what you pay for. Leave it to some journalist to stir the pot.
Some jihadist doesn't like a scripture added to an ACOG?
Too bad.

You don't have to be a jihadist, or a journalist, to not like it and think it's a dumbass move.

372 AmeriDan  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:32:06am

re: #361 iceweasel

Certain someones have declared war on us. One side will have to defeat the other.

373 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:32:44am

re: #370 lazardo

AAAGH COOTIES

Not just COOTIES but, GURRRLLL COOTIES!

374 lazardo  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:33:15am

Library's closin'. Catch you all later.

In the meantime, 6.1 aftershock in Haiti.

375 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:33:20am

I missed what happened to YoungLiberterian last night. Did he get outed as a sock?

376 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:34:53am

re: #372 AmeriDan

Certain someones have declared war on us. One side will have to defeat the other.

And it will happen. The forces of rationality, the enlightenment, and dare i say 'American values' will triumph. And already are.
Dumbass shit like that hurts; it doesn't help.

And you still haven't provided any reason or justification for your disagreement.

377 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:35:17am

re: #375 RogueOne

I missed what happened to YoungLiberterian last night. Did he get outed as a sock?

Sure did! Much fun was had.

378 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:35:22am

re: #375 RogueOne

I missed what happened to YoungLiberterian last night. Did he get outed as a sock?

I believe he got the stick.

379 SteveC  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:35:34am

re: #375 RogueOne

I missed what happened to YoungLiberterian last night. Did he get outed as a sock?

More? There was plenty of blood on the floor when I decided to call it a night!

380 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:35:54am

HOW'S THAT BUTT-HURT NOW, PROGS?

381 SteveC  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:38:52am

re: #375 RogueOne

I missed what happened to YoungLiberterian last night. Did he get outed as a sock?

re: #377 iceweasel

Sure did! Much fun was had.

Push me again
This is the end
Skin against skin blood and bone
You're all by yourself but you're not alone
You wanted in now you're here
Driven by hate consumed by fear
Let the bodies hit the floor

382 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:39:40am

Awww. Did I hurt the widdle Progs' feelings?

383 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:41:24am

You can ding me down in the Top 10 if it would make you feel better.

384 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:41:36am

re: #377 iceweasel

Sure did! Much fun was had.

I really wonder how adults can consider that fun. It really bugs me to constantly see the joy that some people get when one of these crazy people start trouble, and it suddenly becomes a game. WHo get joy out of trashing someone, even if the deserve it. Pathological in my book, but then again, I don't make a habit of pulling wings off flies either.

Yes, I am serious.

385 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:42:18am

re: #382 MandyManners

Awww. Did I hurt the widdle Progs' feelings?

Doubtful.
Do you like the word "prog" now, too? It's in much fashion at some of the stalker sites.

386 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:43:54am

re: #384 Walter L. Newton

I really wonder how adults can consider that fun. It really bugs me to constantly see the joy that some people get when one of these crazy people start trouble, and it suddenly becomes a game. WHo get joy out of trashing someone, even if the deserve it. Pathological in my book, but then again, I don't make a habit of pulling wings off flies either.

Yes, I am serious.

Now Walter. You of all people should know that many of us prefer to eschew the sarc tag.

Yes, I am serious.

387 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:46:59am

My teenage sis-in-law just sent me a text wondering why they say the pledge every morning in school. WTF are they teaching kids these days?

388 AmeriDan  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:49:37am

re: #376 iceweasel

No reason or justification? War has been declared on us. The best why to not increase enemy recruitment is to let them know that their cause is lost.

389 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:49:51am

re: #386 iceweasel

Now Walter. You of all people should know that many of us prefer to eschew the sarc tag.

Yes, I am serious.

That's why I added "Yes, I am serious." And yes, I'm talking about you. I see a real joy coming from you (and some others) when one of these jerks start acting up and you get the opportunity to start smacking them around.

I really don't understand it, and I assure you there is no explanation, short of "I just like to do it" that would make any sense to me. Adults don't usually handle other adults who act up in this way. You wouldn't get away with it in business or with a service group or in the halls of a religious organization.

It's infantile and pathological, and I don't understand it.

390 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:49:58am

re: #387 RogueOne

My teenage sis-in-law just sent me a text wondering why they say the pledge every morning in school. WTF are they teaching kids these days?

Amerika is bad.

391 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:51:54am

re: #389 Walter L. Newton

That's why I added "Yes, I am serious." And yes, I'm talking about you. I see a real joy coming from you (and some others) when one of these jerks start acting up and you get the opportunity to start smacking them around.

I never saw the kid acting badly, just seemed young to me.

He got on your nerves but who doesn't.//

392 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:52:49am

re: #391 RogueOne

I never saw the kid acting badly, just seemed young to me.

He got on your nerves but who doesn't.//

Are you reading what I wrote above. Your comment does not even begin to address what I pointed out.

393 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:53:09am

re: #388 AmeriDan

No reason or justification? War has been declared on us. The best why to not increase enemy recruitment is to let them know that their cause is lost.

And that isn't done by stupidly giving them new recruiting tools. Like giving them reason to claim (and recruit others into so believing) that the US in engaged in some kind of religious war against all Muslims.

Perhaps you believe we are waging a religious war against all Muslims, and all of Islam.
You'd be just as wrong as the jihadists who claim that about the US.

394 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:54:51am

re: #389 Walter L. Newton

That's why I added "Yes, I am serious." And yes, I'm talking about you. I see a real joy coming from you (and some others) when one of these jerks start acting up and you get the opportunity to start smacking them around.

Bollocks.
But I do like when assholes earn the deserved boot from LGF.
So do most people.

395 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:57:31am

re: #394 iceweasel

Bollocks.
But I do like when assholes earn the deserved boot from LGF.
So do most people.

I don't need your admission to prove my point. There is a nice "paper trail." And you really never addressed my question. Why is it fun to bat around one of these fools, what makes that adult behavior, do you do that to people in real life?

396 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:57:38am

re: #392 Walter L. Newton

Are you reading what I wrote above. Your comment does not even begin to address what I pointed out.

See? I only addressed the portion of your comment that I felt I could without getting in the middle of an argument. I can only address points where I have an opinion based on what I've seen and from what I saw he acted like a dumb, inexperienced kid and not necessarily a troll.

397 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:58:44am

re: #396 RogueOne

See? I only addressed the portion of your comment that I felt I could without getting in the middle of an argument. I can only address points where I have an opinion based on what I've seen and from what I saw he acted like a dumb, inexperienced kid and not necessarily a troll.

I'm talking about the joy and pleasure people get from smacking someone around like that and seeing them make fools out of themselves. Seems like a pathologically sick emotional reaction.

398 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:59:17am

re: #394 iceweasel

Bollocks.
But I do like when assholes earn the deserved boot from LGF.
So do most people.

And so do most people makes it right? I see. I'll remember that.

399 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 4:59:44am

re: #395 Walter L. Newton

I don't need your admission to prove my point. There is a nice "paper trail." And you really never addressed my question. Why is it fun to bat around one of these fools, what makes that adult behavior, do you do that to people in real life?

This is something I can address because that is something I do IRL and not online. People who are easily agitated need to be poked on a regular basis until they explode or they learn to deal with differing opinions. That's part of the reason I think the "jesus rifle" is funny.

400 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:00:30am

re: #399 RogueOne

This is something I can address because that is something I do IRL and not online. People who are easily agitated need to be poked on a regular basis until they explode or they learn to deal with differing opinions. That's part of the reason I think the "jesus rifle" is funny.

And you get joy from doing that?

401 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:00:53am

To work.

402 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:01:26am

re: #395 Walter L. Newton

I don't need your admission to prove my point. There is a nice "paper trail." And you really never addressed my question. Why is it fun to bat around one of these fools, what makes that adult behavior, do you do that to people in real life?

I've already pointed to the fact that many, like you, choose to eschew the use of a sarc tag-- especially in cases where it ought to be obvious.
You don't have a 'question' here. For the record, I was officially neutral on that now-banned poster-- until it became clear that he deserved his earned banning.

So the real question here is this: Why do some feel the need to stick up for, or defend, assholes who got the boot?

403 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:02:00am

re: #400 Walter L. Newton

And you get joy from doing that?

Tremendously. I know it might seem sad but assholes need to be punished.

404 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:02:37am

re: #402 iceweasel

I've already pointed to the fact that many, like you, choose to eschew the use of a sarc tag-- especially in cases where it ought to be obvious.
You don't have a 'question' here. For the record, I was officially neutral on that now-banned poster-- until it became clear that he deserved his earned banning.

So the real question here is this: Why do some feel the need to stick up for, or defend, assholes who got the boot?

I'm not defending them, I'm asking you why you get an actual joy. Don't talk around my question, answer my question.

Off to work.

405 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:03:12am

re: #403 RogueOne

Tremendously. I know it might seem sad but assholes need to be punished.

Honest answer, sick, but honest.

406 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:03:32am

Was the 6.1 an after-shock or a quake in its own right?

407 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:03:45am

re: #401 Walter L. Newton

To work.

Take care!

408 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:04:37am

THIS IS THE PEOPLE'S SEAT!

409 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:05:45am

re: #408 MandyManners

THIS IS THE PEOPLE'S SEAT!

I wasn't around much yesterday due to a particularly nasty cold, so what turned out to be the general consensus on Scott Brown's not-so-stunning upset of Coakley?

410 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:06:43am

re: #404 Walter L. Newton

I'm not defending them, I'm asking you why you get an actual joy. Don't talk around my question, answer my question.

Off to work.

Rubbish. You insist on claiming I got an 'actual joy', when it's been made extremely clear that I only take genuine pleasure in seeing assholes who deserved and earned the boot, finally getting the boot.
Again: why do so many feel an automatic need to defend people who got a deserved boot? And why do you feel the need to pretend I'm someone who meant something else, rather than someone who prefers to eschew sarc tags-- like you do?

Don't talk around that issue. Address it. When you're back from work, that is.

411 abolitionist  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:07:04am

Police: Suspect in 8 Va. slayings surrenders


Sgt. Thomas Molnar said 39-year-old Christopher Speight approached officers at the scene of the shootings at about 7:10 a.m. and turned himself in.
412 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:07:25am

re: #409 thedopefishlives

I wasn't around much yesterday due to a particularly nasty cold, so what turned out to be the general consensus on Scott Brown's not-so-stunning upset of Coakley?

Joy.

Oh, and the Progs have massive butt-hurt.

413 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:07:51am

re: #411 abolitionist

Police: Suspect in 8 Va. slayings surrenders

What a shame. It's too bad he didn't save the taxpayers all the money it's going to cost them to put a needle in his arm.

414 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:09:19am

re: #412 MandyManners

Joy.

Oh, and the Progs have massive butt-hurt.

About that phrase. ...

415 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:09:22am

re: #412 MandyManners

Joy.

Oh, and the Progs have massive butt-hurt.

Thanks for once again showing that you like using the word butthurt.

And "prog".

416 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:10:54am

re: #415 iceweasel

I think I'm just going to step out for a while. Seems like tempers have been running a bit high in here this morning.

417 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:11:11am

re: #411 abolitionist

Police: Suspect in 8 Va. slayings surrenders

I bet there's an ex-wife or STBX-wife dead.

418 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:11:47am

Oooh. I got down-dinged. I hurtz.

419 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:12:33am

re: #416 thedopefishlives

I think I'm just going to step out for a while. Seems like tempers have been running a bit high in here this morning.

Yes, there was a whole lot of piling on and attempts to provoke pariticular liberals last night. It's still happening now. Good decision.

420 abolitionist  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:13:16am

re: #417 MandyManners

It was reported that his wife and son were among the victims, and other victims were aquaintences.

421 AmeriDan  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:14:00am

re: #393 iceweasel

And that isn't done by stupidly giving them new recruiting tools. Like giving them reason to claim (and recruit others into so believing) that the US in engaged in some kind of religious war against all Muslims.


Perhaps you believe we are waging a religious war against all Muslims, and all of Islam.
You'd be just as wrong as the jihadists who claim that about the US.

Thanks for putting all of those words in my
mouth. Mighty tasty. I did not say that we were waging a religious war.

422 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:16:04am

re: #420 abolitionist

It was reported that his wife and son were among the victims, and other victims were aquaintences.

Asshole.

423 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:16:56am

re: #421 AmeriDan

Thanks for putting all of those words in my
mouth. Mighty tasty. I did not say that we were waging a religious war.

Ah-haaaa.

Sometimes GAZE is your bestest friend, AmeriDan.

424 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:17:16am

re: #421 AmeriDan

Thanks for putting all of those words in my
mouth. Mighty tasty. I did not say that we were waging a religious war.

Nor did I claim you do. Hence the use of the word 'perhaps'.
Jihadists are engaged in a religious war, and they seize every moment to (falsely) claim the US is likewise engaged in one.
I have made this point several times.
And the point that stupid decisions on the part of the US that help to fuel their false claims endanger our troops and our civilians.
You have still failed to engage with that point.

425 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:18:32am

HOW'S IT FEEL TO LOSE YOUR $740,000.00 INVESTMENT, SEIU?

426 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:18:43am

Update on the Aafia Siddiqui trial:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]


A Pakistani neuroscientist facing trial on charges that she tried to kill military officers and F.B.I. agents in Afghanistan erupted in a Manhattan courtroom and accused a witness of lying on Tuesday, as testimony began in her federal trial.

The neuroscientist, Aafia Siddiqui, 37, was ushered out of the courtroom after her outburst, in which she also said that she had been locked in a secret prison since her arrest. She is charged with shooting at Army officers and F.B.I. agents while being detained in Afghanistan in July 2008.

Ms. Siddiqui, who is said by intelligence officers to have ties to Al Qaeda, was taken into custody in the city of Ghazni after she was found loitering outside a provincial governor’s compound with suspicious items in her handbag, including a book called “Anarchist Arsenal,” according to an indictment.

427 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:21:02am

bbl


[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

428 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:21:14am

re: #418 MandyManners

Oooh. I got down-dinged. I hurtz.

Perhaps you'll bear that 'hurt' in mind the next time you wind up in the bottom ten for random and hateful comments.
Or the next time someone winds up in the top ten for calling you out for it.

It's nice to know you've been looking at that.

429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:21:22am

re: #411 abolitionist

Police: Suspect in 8 Va. slayings surrenders

I drove through Appomattox last night just as this was going on...

Didn't see a dang thing.

430 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:23:20am

Another Jihadi-wanna-be caught in NY:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]


A Queens College graduate who traveled to Pakistan in 2008 to attend a Qaeda training camp conspired to kill American service members in Afghanistan, a federal prosecutor said in court on Tuesday.
............
Mr. Loonam made the comments during a hearing in Mr. Medunjanin’s case before Judge Raymond J. Dearie of United States District Court in Brooklyn. Mr. Medunjanin was charged with conspiring to commit murder in a foreign country and receiving military-type training from Al Qaeda in a two-count indictment unsealed Jan. 9.

The bare-bones, two-page indictment had provided almost no details about the alleged conspiracy, and while Mr. Loonam’s comments in court were far from expansive, they constituted the most detailed description of it.

“In August 2008, the defendant traveled with others from the United States to Pakistan, with the intent of killing U.S. service members in Afghanistan,” Mr. Loonam told Judge Dearie.

431 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:24:57am

re: #429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Morning FBV!

432 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:25:42am

Mornin', mourners and gloaters!

433 abolitionist  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:26:09am

re: #429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The shootings took place in a rural area nearby Appomattox.

434 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:28:59am

I keep hearing dems say Obama isn't as tough as Bush in getting things done. Ed Schultz just said it twice on Morning Joe, and someone on CNN was saying the same thing last night. Where did this whole "bush was uber-effective" meme come from?

435 AmeriDan  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:33:05am

re: #424 iceweasel

Yes, Obama did act "stupidly" in sending more troops to the ME against the wishes of those who want us defeated.

Way to recruit Mr. Obama!

436 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:35:10am

re: #433 abolitionist

I heard about it on the news about 10 minutes west. Then I noticed police cars, lights flashing, heading east...

437 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:36:51am

Bayh gets it:

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]


“There’s going to be a tendency on the part of our people to be in denial about all this,” Bayh told ABC News, but “if you lose Massachusetts and that’s not a wake-up call, there’s no hope of waking up.”

What is the lesson of Massachusetts – where Democrats face the prospects of losing a Senate seat they’ve held since 1952? For Senator Bayh the lesson is that the party pushed an agenda that is too far to the left, alienating moderate and independent voters.

“It’s why moderates and independents even in a state as Democratic as Massachusetts just aren’t buying our message,” he said. “They just don’t believe the answers we are currently proposing are solving their problems. That’s something that has to be corrected.”

Bayh pointed that it’s not just Massachusetts. Independents also rejected Democratic gubernatorial candidates in New Jersey and Virginia in November.

“ The only we are able to govern successfully in this country is by liberals and progressives making common cause with independents and moderates,” Bayh said. “Whenever you have just the furthest left elements of the Dem party attempting to impose their will on the rest of the country -- that’s not going to work too well.”

438 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:37:03am

re: #435 AmeriDan

Yes, Obama did act "stupidly" in sending more troops to the ME against the wishes of those who want us defeated.

Way to recruit Mr. Obama!

Again, you fail to address the points made, and appear to be ignorant about Obama's actual military decisions, and defence budget, and troop commitments, and military decisions.

You can start by checking LGF posts (not comments) on these subjects. I would also highly recommend the posts Gus802 made, last night and elsewhere, on this.
Otherwise, please continue.

439 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:38:28am

First, congratulations and a big thank you to the folks of MA for bailing out the rest of us.

Second, it sure seems these last few elections belie the myth of a demize in the Repulican Party, ya think!

440 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:39:48am

re: #437 RogueOne

I found my laptop. I hid it extra good. Thanks for the help.:)

441 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:41:43am

re: #440 Cannadian Club Akbar

Ha-Ha! Put down the pipe for awhile before you start hiding things.//

442 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:43:01am

Gosh, spy is a useful tool here.

443 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:43:36am

re: #441 RogueOne

Ha-Ha! Put down the pipe for awhile before you start hiding things.//

Thanks again!!! BBL.

444 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:43:40am

Found via Boing-Boing:
[Link: www.colorlines.com...]


New Orleans city police and the district attorney’s office are using a state law written for child molesters to charge hundreds of sex workers like Tabitha as sex offenders. The law, which dates back to 1805, makes it a crime against nature to engage in “unnatural copulation”—a term New Orleans cops and the district attorney’s office have interpreted to mean anal or oral sex. Sex workers convicted of breaking this law are charged with felonies, issued longer jail sentences and forced to register as sex offenders. They must also carry a driver’s license with the label “sex offender” printed on it.

Of the 861 sex offenders currently registered in New Orleans, 483 were convicted of a crime against nature, according to Doug Cain, a spokesperson with the Louisiana State Police. And of those convicted of a crime against nature, 78 percent are Black and almost all are women.

445 laZardo  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:45:31am

re: #444 RogueOne

Found via Boing-Boing:

The law, which dates back to 1805, makes it a crime against nature to engage in “unnatural copulation”—a term New Orleans cops and the district attorney’s office have interpreted to mean anal or oral sex.

/snickering

446 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:46:08am

re: #444 RogueOne

Ah geez. That's messed up.

Is it a charge that they hold for the sex workers that have been arrested multiple times to keep them off the street a bit longer?

447 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:46:23am

re: #366 Capitalist Tool

Actually, Trijicon makes great scopes; expensive, but you get what you pay for. Leave it to some journalist to stir the pot.
Some jihadist doesn't like a scripture added to an ACOG?
Too bad.

Yeah, they do. OTOH if they want taxpayer money in their pockets they can play by the rules. If they can't do that, no contracts. I'll bet their competition will be happy to play by the rules and get the money instead.

Capitalism, ya heard of it?

// only the last sentence.

William

448 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:49:13am

re: #446 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ah geez. That's messed up.

Is it a charge that they hold for the sex workers that have been arrested multiple times to keep them off the street a bit longer?

Doesn't really say, but probably. I can understand the city wanting to clamp down on street walkers but labeling them as "sex offenders" opens up an entirely different can of worms. If a woman is selling herself out of desperation putting the sex offender tag on her certainly isn't going to ever help them get their lives together.

449 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:51:42am

re: #442 iceweasel

Gosh, spy is a useful tool here.

You're right. I just noticed someone updinged my "coakley is a horrible person" post from last nights thread./

450 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:51:43am

re: #448 RogueOne

Doesn't really say, but probably. I can understand the city wanting to clamp down on street walkers but labeling them as "sex offenders" opens up an entirely different can of worms. If a woman is selling herself out of desperation putting the sex offender tag on her certainly isn't going to ever help them get their lives together.

I agree this is stupid and unhelpful. Do the johns get the same label?

451 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:52:27am

re: #450 rwdflynavy

I agree this is stupid and unhelpful. Do the johns get the same label?

Doesn't say but great question.

452 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:54:12am

re: #448 RogueOne

Doesn't really say, but probably. I can understand the city wanting to clamp down on street walkers but labeling them as "sex offenders" opens up an entirely different can of worms. If a woman is selling herself out of desperation putting the sex offender tag on her certainly isn't going to ever help them get their lives together.

Prostitution is called the oldest profession for a reason-- it is.

If people want to stop it (imo, impossible) they ought to be targeting the pimps and johns at least as much as they do the prostitutes.

And they need to ensure that the women who resort to it can get out of it -- or have ways of climbing out of it. Education, job opportunites, and the like.

453 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:55:44am

re: #452 iceweasel

Prostitution is called the oldest profession for a reason-- it is.

If people want to stop it (imo, impossible) they ought to be targeting the pimps and johns at least as much as they do the prostitutes.

And they need to ensure that the women who resort to it can get out of it -- or have ways of climbing out of it. Education, job opportunites, and the like.

Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.
Ronald Reagan

454 laZardo  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:56:28am

re: #452 iceweasel

Prostitution is called the oldest profession for a reason-- it is.

If people want to stop it (imo, impossible) they ought to be targeting the pimps and johns at least as much as they do the prostitutes.

And they need to ensure that the women who resort to it can get out of it -- or have ways of climbing out of it. Education, job opportunites, and the like.

So what'chu do if your son's at home, cryin' all alone on the bedroom floor...

Youtube Video
455 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:57:39am

re: #448 RogueOne

That's for damn sure.

456 right_wing2  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:59:05am

I love the sound of Harry Reid, SanFranNan and Barack Obama, weeping in the night.

457 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:00:51am

re: #450 rwdflynavy

I doubt "Johns" get arrested as many times as the prostitutes. Not fair... but it is what it is.

458 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:02:11am

re: #453 rwdflynavy

Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.
Ronald Reagan

Funny, and updinged- but I do find the concept of women (or anyone) resorting to selling their bodies to be horrific.

Sure, I'm a humourless lib on this issue-- but I think sex is a sacred act. Not because of marriage, or religion, either. And for people who want to have it for fun alone, cool-- no issues or judgement-- from me.

Selling it, because you have to, is just a total perversion and travesty of what sex should be and can be. IMO.

459 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:02:39am

re: #454 laZardo

Cool video. I got talked into going to a strip club with some friends. They got a table dance by an attractive young lady and in the middle of the dance one of the 10 or so guys at the table behind me yells "hey, that's my ex-wife!" They proceeded to get into a screaming match over my head "Whore!".."I gotta take care of your kid somehow!" stuff back and forth. I remember thinking "great, I'm going to get stabbed in a freakin nasty strip club, that's going to look nice in the paper in the morning".

460 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:03:20am

re: #457 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I doubt "Johns" get arrested as many times as the prostitutes. Not fair... but it is what it is.

Although when they do, if they're in a vehicle they can kiss that car goodbye regardless of who owns it.

461 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:04:03am

re: #458 iceweasel


Selling it, because you have to, is just a total perversion and travesty of what sex should be and can be. IMO.

Mom, that you?//

462 laZardo  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:05:54am

re: #459 RogueOne

Cool video. I got talked into going to a strip club with some friends. They got a table dance by an attractive young lady and in the middle of the dance one of the 10 or so guys at the table behind me yells "hey, that's my ex-wife!" They proceeded to get into a screaming match over my head "Whore!".."I gotta take care of your kid somehow!" stuff back and forth. I remember thinking "great, I'm going to get stabbed in a freakin nasty strip club, that's going to look nice in the paper in the morning".

That's not the type of crossfire you'd want to get caught in.

If you know what I mean.

463 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:07:27am

Prostitution has always been one of those things that has been a dilemma to me.

I think it's a terrible life choice for a woman to make, but, as long as it is her choice, who am I to tell her that she can't.

464 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:07:53am

re: #460 RogueOne

I'd bet they'd rather get jail time.

465 laZardo  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:10:15am

And speaking of last Monday and the topic at hand...

Martin Luther King Jr. did not die so that we may refer to our female companions as canines or gardening implements.

/monocle

466 abolitionist  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:11:40am

re: #460 RogueOne

Although when they do, if they're in a vehicle they can kiss that car goodbye regardless of who owns it.

Sometimes I've had trouble teaching my children about due process and equal protection under the law. Rules about possibly losing a drivers license for being argumentative or disobedient with a teacher or another student --these don't help.

467 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:15:30am

I had a dream last nigh that I was living in some kind of dorm or group home (related to the "I'm still in college and not going to graduate because I skipped so many classes" dreams I often have.)

One of my very liberal friends was there, and she was on the phone, cold calling Democrats to tell them about massive voter fraud in Massachusetts and how they had to do everything in their power to keep Brown out of office.

I was too polite in my dream to go, "HA ha!"

468 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:15:53am

"Life After People" just fascinates me. Anybody else watch it?

469 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:16:10am

re: #463 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Prostitution has always been one of those things that has been a dilemma to me.

I think it's a terrible life choice for a woman to make, but, as long as it is her choice, who am I to tell her that she can't.

My problem is it usually isn't a 'choice'.
I'm not for it, exactly-- but it's always existed and will always exist. And I don't think it's a good choice. And yeah, I know women on the fringes of the sex industry (strippers working their way through school, etc) - who didn't engage in prostitution, per se, -- but their experiences did generally fuck them up. This isn't a judgement by me, but what they say.

So, it ought to be regulated, and the people engaging in sex work need to be protected.
They also need to have other opportunities made available to them. They aren't, at the moment.
And we definitely need to go after the pimps most of all-- especially the ones who target and 'convert' underage women and also men-- and the johns at least as much as we do prostitutes. IMO.
Also all the 'boyfriends' and dealers who beat their women and then send them out on the street.

470 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:16:17am

re: #464 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'd bet they'd rather get jail time.

Reminded me of this story from Detroit late last year:
[Link: detnews.com...]


The way Krista Vaughn sees it, Wayne County fined her $1,400 even though police and prosecutors admit she broke no laws.

Vaughn, who has no criminal record, was required to pay for the return of her car, which was seized by police after they mistook Vaughn's co-worker for a prostitute. Even though prosecutors later dropped the case, Vaughn still had to pay.

Her story is not unusual. In Wayne County, law enforcement officials regularly seize vehicles without levying charges -- even in cases in which they later concede no law was broken. The agency provides perhaps the most prolific and egregious example of what critics contend is the wrongful use of laws allowing the seizure of private property.

It's part of a 3 part story about the asset forfeiture program in detroit which has skyrocketed in the last decade.


It's a practice that's paying off. The Wayne County Sheriff's Office, which helps run the prosecutor's forfeiture unit, took in $8.69 million from civil seizures in 2007, more than four times the amount collected in 2001. The Wayne County Prosecutor's Office gets up to 27 percent of that money.
471 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:16:39am

re: #468 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Life After People" just fascinates me. Anybody else watch it?

I don't read either magazine.

472 Ziggy Standard  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:19:07am

Morning folks - drive by youtube post - BBL :)

Youtube Video
473 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:20:05am

re: #469 iceweasel

Why I said, "her choice". I certainly do not support sex slavery.

I know you are not saying that I was saying so, but I did want to clarify.

474 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:24:13am

Good Morning LGF.

475 laZardo  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:24:34am

re: #474 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning LGF.

Mornin' Sol.

476 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:27:55am

re: #473 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why I said, "her choice". I certainly do not support sex slavery.

I know you are not saying that I was saying so, but I did want to clarify.

No prob! I know you wouldn't say that.
Also, there's a worldwide problem about sex slavery, and it often involves literal slavery.
I only mentioned just a few problems that still exist even in the western industrialised world in re: prostitution and those women (and men) resorting to it.
I think we agree on the whole issue, even though we're arriving at our positions from disparate ideological places.
(I know quite a few white, middle-class or upper, 'liberal' feminists who will claim sex work is a healthy choice. I don't think it is, ever. And I have different reasons, probably, than you do for drawing that conclusion-- but I always think it's really cool to get input from smart people like you who don't share my own ideological standpoint . It's always a nice bonus when we have the same conclusion too!).

477 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:29:47am

I guess it's time to come out of the closet....I have a huge man crush on Peyton Manning. There, I said it. So does this guy:

[Link: www.nypost.com...]


It’s one thing to admire an athlete for what he has accomplished in his arena. But Manning is an icon here because he has planted deep roots in the community touching everyone from sick children to young athletes to civic leaders trying to build Indianapolis into a first-class city.

478 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:30:15am

He's here!

Youtube Video
479 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:30:51am

re: #476 iceweasel

I have a sister that was a stripper/hooker - by choice.

She chose poorly.

I have three sisters. One terribly scarred by the sex industry, one terribly scarred by a sexual assault, one is fine.

Pretty shitty percentage, that.

480 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:31:05am

re: #477 RogueOne

I guess it's time to come out of the closet...I have a huge man crush on Peyton Manning. There, I said it. So does this guy:

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

*smoochies*

I have a full-sized poster of Peyton in his UT uniform. I'll let you have it for a price.

481 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:32:03am

My goodness. Someone down-dinged Supertramp.

Butthurt much?

482 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:32:08am

re: #480 MandyManners

Hiya, Mandy.

483 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:33:02am

re: #481 MandyManners

My goodness. Someone down-dinged Supertramp.

Butthurt much?

Maybe it has to do with the prostitution discussion that's been going on this morning.

484 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:33:25am

re: #475 laZardo

Mornin' Sol.

I'm a lucky fellow
And I've just got to tell her
That I love her endlessly...

Youtube Video
485 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:35:03am

Anyone else notice the Barney Frank look-a-like on stage with Brown last night?

486 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:35:38am

re: #485 Ben Hur

Anyone else notice the Barney Frank look-a-like on stage with Brown last night?

No but I did notice his daughter. She has real talent.

487 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:35:43am

re: #477 RogueOne

I guess it's time to come out of the closet...I have a huge man crush on Peyton Manning. There, I said it. So does this guy:

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

You and me both.

I figure I can come out of lurking mode for my Peyton, if nothing else.

488 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:36:22am

re: #482 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hiya, Mandy.

'Sup, pup?

489 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:36:25am

re: #478 MandyManners

He's here!


[Video]

Upding for the Black Oak Arkansas link!
I wonder if those guys ever partied?/

490 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:36:40am

re: #477 RogueOne

Did you see him on Saturday Night Live a few years ago? Unlike most athlete hosts, he did a pretty good job and was funny.

491 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:36:46am

re: #486 RogueOne

Rawr.

492 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:36:50am

re: #483 Mad Al-Jaffee

Maybe it has to do with the prostitution discussion that's been going on this morning.

Ummm,...I doubt it.

493 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:37:22am

re: #489 Taqyia2Me

Upding for the Black Oak Arkansas link!
I wonder if those guys ever partied?/

Never. Not in a million years.

494 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:38:19am

re: #492 MandyManners

Ummm,...I doubt it.

It was a joke. Prostitution, Tramp. Get it? (no offense meant to sex workers anywhere.)

495 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:38:52am

re: #490 Mad Al-Jaffee

Did you see him on Saturday Night Live a few years ago? Unlike most athlete hosts, he did a pretty good job and was funny.

Absolutely. I have his united way bit on my phone.

Youtube Video
496 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:40:41am

re: #494 Mad Al-Jaffee

It was a joke. Prostitution, Tramp. Get it? (no offense meant to sex workers anywhere.)

Oh, I got it.

497 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:42:49am

re: #496 MandyManners

Oh, I got it.

In BED!

/the joke that will never die

498 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:43:24am

re: #497 RogueOne

In BED!

/the joke that will never die

Thank you, Tiberius!

499 filetandrelease  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:44:27am

Just for grins I tuned into MSNBC last night, did anyone notice the express on Mathews face? Hilarious, you would have thought he just found out the hooker he was with the night before has aids.

500 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:44:55am

re: #493 MandyManners

Never. Not in a million years.

Remembering 'Don Kirshner's Rock Concert' with that clip.
It was an innocent time!

501 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:45:41am

re: #485 Ben Hur

Anyone else notice the Barney Frank look-a-like on stage with Brown last night?

Facial similarity?

502 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:46:06am

Good rainy morning from RWC HQ!

re: #469 iceweasel
To my astonishment OSHA is having a tough time regulating porn video productions, even at the big studios. That's a fully legal sex worker / employee base and yes, like welders, of whoever they deserve to be safe on the job. California OSHA has specific things they want that industry to do on set. It's to early here for details. Point is they are one of the hardest regulatory agencies to resist and porn vid production companies are doing so.
Needs to be addressed.

503 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:46:26am

re: #500 Taqyia2Me

Remembering 'Don Kirshner's Rock Concert' with that clip.
It was an innocent time!

Oh, wow. That name takes me back.

Thanks for the good memories, Taqyia!

504 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:47:36am

Gotta' go to the club to help organize our mid-winter fest.

505 laZardo  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:49:01am

re: #504 MandyManners

Gotta' go to the club to help organize our mid-winter fest.

Laters.

506 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:49:22am

Here's an interesting article on Sportsline. The mixing of politics, religion, and football:

Left? Right? No, just wrong to mix politics, football
[Link: www.cbssports.com...]


Notre Dame football coach Brian Kelly has an "eyebrow-raising" pro-choice background for someone who has become the public face of such a famously Catholic school. I got that news from an influential Christian news magazine. And I'm offended.

Meanwhile, next month's telecast of the Super Bowl on CBS will unveil a 30-second pro-life commercial featuring Florida quarterback Tim Tebow that will recall how his mother was ill during that pregnancy but ignored a doctor's recommendation to have an abortion. I got that news right here at CBSSports.com. And I'm offended.
......
Apparently the commercial has a beautiful, undeniable message. Tebow's mother suffered a life-threatening infection during that pregnancy, and doctors advised her to abort the baby. She didn't. She named him Tim. Just typing this paragraph gives me goose bumps. The commercial might just make me cry.

Still, I don't want to see. Not during the damn Super Bowl. And I'm not complaining about the ad because it's anti-abortion and I'm not. I'm complaining about the ad because it's pro-politics. And I'm not. Not on Super Sunday

I didn't know that about Tebow.

507 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:50:38am

re: #503 MandyManners

Oh, wow. That name takes me back.

Thanks for the good memories, Taqyia!

Thank you, Mandy, for jostling my memory banks to that end!

508 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:50:51am

re: #501 Spare O'Lake

Facial similarity?

From the 1:38 mark. Over Browns right should next to the young man. Fat man in glasses. Barney Frank's twin.

Youtube Video
509 imploder  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:50:56am

From the book, "Freakonomics (Leavitt, Dubner 2005)

It may be sad but not surprising that experts like (Snyder) can be self interested to the point of deceit...working together, journalists and experts are the architects of much conventional wisdom.

510 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:51:39am

re: #506 RogueOne

Here's an interesting article on Sportsline. The mixing of politics, religion, and football:

Left? Right? No, just wrong to mix politics, football
[Link: www.cbssports.com...]

I didn't know that about Tebow.

The full 5 Books of Moses taped under his eyes didn't give you a clue?

511 laZardo  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:52:58am

Brb, shower.

512 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:53:49am

re: #510 Ben Hur

The full 5 Books of Moses taped under his eyes didn't give you a clue?

I'm in Big 10 (11) country, I knew he was pro-jesus, didn't know the story about his mom. Starting off life like that makes his personal beliefs easier to put into perspective.

513 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:54:08am

re: #495 RogueOne

"That is, if you like, six-five, two hundred thirty pound quarterbacks; Laser rocket arm..."

514 darthstar  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:56:11am

Hey everyone...it's been one of those weeks. Power's on. Power's out. But I was expecting this and we stopped at the Home Despot and picked up a generator on Monday, so we can still have internet and lights when the power goes out (makes all the difference in the world). There are so many downed trees (including the one we came home to in our yard blocking the path to the house) that PG&E simply said "expect to be without power for an extended period of time" last night instead of their usually more positive "Your power should be restored between 2pm and 8pm"...yes, don't call back for six hours is their usual response, but this week it was, "Don't even bother calling."

That said, power returned a little while ago, then went out again, and now it's back.


Youtube Video
515 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:57:22am

re: #514 darthstar

Hang in there. Where are you at? I thought I remembered you being Bay Area-ish?

516 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:58:03am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Haiti endured another significant quake this morning but damage reports haven't indicated additional injuries or damage to already crumbling buildings throughout the region. The US Navy is sending additional ships, including one that can clear the port to make the relief efforts proceed at a faster rate - and help with the rebuilding process. The USNS Comfort is arriving this morning, and will be taking patients pretty much as soon as the helicopters can start touching down.

Those folks are in a world of hurt, and yet there are some who peddle blood libels - claiming that Israel is harvesting the organs of Haitians amid the rubble.

517 albusteve  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:58:38am

It was a scene previously relegated to Democratic nightmares. It couldn't possibly get worse. Then it did: "John Kerry's next! John Kerry's next!"

[Link: www.slate.com...]

518 darthstar  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:58:51am

re: #510 Ben Hur

The full 5 Books of Moses taped under his eyes didn't give you a clue?

I'll bet he's a shitty drunk when he parties.

519 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 6:58:57am

re: #516 lawhawk


Those folks are in a world of hurt, and yet there are some who peddle blood libels - claiming that Israel is harvesting the organs of Haitians amid the rubble.

So they did go there. I was afraid they would. How can people be so blind?

520 darthstar  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:01:34am

re: #515 Obdicut

Hang in there. Where are you at? I thought I remembered you being Bay Area-ish?

Thanks. Yes, I'm in the Bay Area on the Santa Cruz Mtn ridge above Palo Alto. Redwoods are swaying like switchgrass outside my window right now...whoa...that gust just made the roof creak.

521 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:01:47am

re: #519 thedopefishlives

Blind hatred is more like it - regardless of what Israel does - what good and pure intentions they have, there are some who will spin all manner of lies and agitprop to attack Israel and its citizens who went half a world away to help a group of people who have been left with nothing - all because for Israel, it is the right thing to do.

522 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:02:21am

re: #520 darthstar

Stay safe!

523 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:03:05am

re: #521 lawhawk

Blind hatred is more like it - regardless of what Israel does - what good and pure intentions they have, there are some who will spin all manner of lies and agitprop to attack Israel and its citizens who went half a world away to help a group of people who have been left with nothing - all because for Israel, it is the right thing to do.

I know. It's just getting so stupid. People will believe whatever they want to believe, regardless of the facts. It just seems to be getting worse by the day, and it's discouraging to see people swallowing whatever they're told without argument.

524 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:03:23am

re: #520 darthstar

Hang on, baby!

525 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:03:52am

re: #519 thedopefishlives

So they did go there. I was afraid they would. How can people be so blind?

They're assholes. I'm not going to post any links, but just do a search on Israel Haiti organ harvest and you'll find some.

526 darthstar  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:04:22am

re: #522 lawhawk

Stay safe!

I just wish I didn't have to go to work today...I'd love to go down to the coast and watch the storm beat the living crap out of the coastline...there's something beautiful about all that energy...even though it interrupts my creature comforts at times.

527 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:05:21am

re: #526 darthstar

I just wish I didn't have to go to work today...I'd love to go down to the coast and watch the storm beat the living crap out of the coastline...there's something beautiful about all that energy...even though it interrupts my creature comforts at times.

There is indeed something beautiful about the unleashed energy of nature.

528 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:05:54am

re: #525 Mad Al-Jaffee

Ynetnews.com ran a story about it - and there's a YouTube of one such guy from Seattle peddling this crapulence.

529 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:07:22am

re: #520 darthstar

I'm about to go catch the 38 Geary to the AC Transit Z to go over the Bay Bridge, which should be fun in the wind. At least my view over the Bay should be incredible, with the storm tossing the water around.

530 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:09:56am

re: #526 darthstar

I just wish I didn't have to go to work today...I'd love to go down to the coast and watch the storm beat the living crap out of the coastline...there's something beautiful about all that energy...even though it interrupts my creature comforts at times.

It is beautiful, and sometimes (I know this sounds weird) I actually like to see the destructive aftermath. Never in cases like the Haiti earthquake, but when we had a terribly destructive autumn storm here three years ago that blew a tree over on my house, I actually went out with my digital camera and took pictures of the devastation. It was horribly beautiful, if that makes any sense.

531 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:11:37am

re: #526 darthstar

I rode the Cape May/Lewes Ferry once in 60 mph gusts... everybody was huddled inside... it stood (safely) outside and right in the midst of it.

Nature is wondrous and terrible and beautiful and awful and scary and awe inspiring. All at the same time.

Kind of like Mrs. FBV.

532 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:11:39am

Good morning everyone!
It is a gloriously beautiful overcast day here in Massachusetts!

533 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:12:37am

re: #531 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I stood, not "it stood"... I meant to say "I stood".

534 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:13:14am

re: #531 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I rode the Cape May/Lewes Ferry once in 60 mph gusts... everybody was huddled inside... it stood (safely) outside and right in the midst of it.

Nature is wondrous and terrible and beautiful and awful and scary and awe inspiring. All at the same time.

Kind of like Mrs. FBV.

If we have a nasty storm here, one can find me at the beach, blowing around with a huge grin!
I love weather.

535 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:13:31am

re: #532 CapeCoddah

What was the final score?

536 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:14:44am

re: #535 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not sure... hang on

537 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:16:09am

BBL folks, enjoy your day.

538 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:16:35am

re: #535 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Taxpayers saved a lot of money (for now...)?

539 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:24:40am

FBV, cant find the totals yet, will keep looking.

540 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:26:11am

TSA chief nominee steps down... cites "Political Agenda".

Really? There are politics in Washington?

SHAZAYAM!

541 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:26:33am

re: #534 CapeCoddah

If we have a nasty storm here, one can find me at the beach, blowing around with a huge grin!
I love weather.

I used to do the same here in Florida. We used to body surf during storms. That ended when I was in ankle deep water and got pulled out to chest high water by the current. Almost a bummer.

542 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:27:08am

CBS politicizes the Haiti earthquake:

Pennies for Haiti, Billions for Israel, Egypt

No. Newsmedia blogs are not blogs.

543 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:28:09am

re: #542 Ben Hur

CBS politicizes the Haiti earthquake:

Pennies for Haiti, Billions for Israel, Egypt

No. Newsmedia blogs are not blogs.

And classic anti-Semitism in the comments.

Comments on CBS blog = CBS.

544 albusteve  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:29:16am

the Brown victory is a blockbuster story...the net is saturated, and I have to to think it will have a snowball effect, even when quite of few dems are deciding not to seek office again...people are really amped up and BO and his cronies must be stunned

545 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:30:37am

re: #541 Cannadian Club Akbar

I used to do the same here in Florida. We used to body surf during storms. That ended when I was in ankle deep water and got pulled out to chest high water by the current. Almost a bummer.

You will NOT find me in the water!
Funnily enough, I love the beach, but have not been in the water without a Boston Whaler as a flotation device since my mother took us to see JAWS at a drive in when I was 10. Scared the living **** out of me. Never got past it.

546 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:31:10am

Israel builds a field hospital in Haiti. Anti-Zionists not fooled!

Clever people the Jews… oops, I mean the Israelis. Look at the lengths to which they have gone to distract the world from their daily ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. The latest trick is an Israeli field hospital, rushed into Haiti last Friday and erected in a soccer field.

The US, with all its resources, hasn’t yet managed to set up a field hospital in Haiti (undoubtedly the State Department is still drafting the crucial legal papers needed) but the Israelis, operating with their usual disregard to the niceties of law, slapped one up and have already delivered a baby there. The father, obviously paid off by the Mossad, rapturously declared that the baby would be named “Israel”.

According to Israeli government sources the hospital includes 10 tons of medical equipment, 40 doctors, 24 nurses, medics, paramedics, x-ray equipment and personnel, a pharmacy, an emergency room, two surgery rooms, an incubation ward, a children’s ward and a maternity ward.

Information from Israeli government sources should, of course, be taken with a grain of salt, but footage of this tent-city/hospital has now been seen on SKY, Fox and CNN, ABC and CBS and the video seems to confirm (Mossad video fabricators are tricky) at least that the facility is large, clean, and full of modern equipment. CBS’s piece called the hospital the “Rolls Royce of medicine in Haiti”.

Thankfully, the BBC has kept its head and is not colluding with the Israeli government’s attempt to make the world forget its sins. However, that has not stopped Jewish…er…Zionist propagandists, who are already triumphantly calling the field hospital “Israel’s Disproportionate response”, a reference to the charge last year that Israel reacted to Hamas rocket fire with “disproportionate” military force. The word “disproportionate” in this case refers to the fact that this country of 7.5 million has sent 220 people, compared to say, China, which as of last week had sent 60.

snip

547 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:31:19am

re: #539 CapeCoddah

Good work, CapeCoddah.

Just got off the phone with my 83 y/o life long dem voting (up until the 2000 presidential election) parents. They are thrilled!

548 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:31:55am
Thankfully, many people are onto the ploy, as these comments from the Los Angles Times show:

“Great,” said someone identifying himself as ‘Smart Alex’, “I just hope the IDF soldiers don’t harvest any of the dead Haitians’ organs without the permission of their families.

“I know, I know,” he wrote, “that was a cheap shot. But I believe well-deserved for a country that tries to use its U.S.-funded humanitarian efforts as propaganda to paper over its disastrous and vile treatment of the Palestinians.”

A clever fellow and brave too! It takes guts to make such a deduction and publish it from behind the cover of a moniker like ‘Smart Alex’.

LA TIMES comments = LA Times.

549 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:32:08am

re: #545 CapeCoddah

That, and when we have those storms here, the water is a bit chillier than Florida's ACTUAL shark infested waters.

550 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:32:33am

re: #545 CapeCoddah

They take arial pics down here and the amount of sharks between the swimmers and the beach is scary.

551 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:32:43am

re: #540 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

TSA chief nominee steps down... cites "Political Agenda".

Really? There are politics in Washington?

SHAZAYAM!

Cause God knows HE didn't have a "political agenda"

552 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:33:37am

re: #547 sattv4u2

Our pleasure. The nicest thing about this election, is the whole country is so grateful... Massachusetts went from laughingstock to loved overnight.

553 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:33:43am

gotta run

554 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:34:32am

Nation’s Liberals Suffering From Outrage Fatigue

A few years old (from The Onion), but relevant today

555 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:35:29am

re: #544 albusteve

They are saying here that our absolutely inept governor may not bother to run again. He looked like a deer in the headlights at Coakley's concession speech, but, then he always does.

556 Ericus58  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:35:40am

IDF Footage of Rescue of Hatian Girl from Collapsed Building, 19 January 2010

Youtube Video
557 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:36:02am

re: #552 CapeCoddah

Our pleasure. The nicest thing about this election, is the whole country is so grateful... Massachusetts went from laughingstock to loved overnight.

I'm still a property owner there, and my parents, sisters and a few cousins still live there, so I had a stake in it over and above the national implications.

Who on the horizon is stepping up to challenge Patrick!?!?!


Now ,,,,, about Barney Frank !!!!!
/

558 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:36:44am

re: #553 Ben Hur

wow what would these people do without isreal.

559 albusteve  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:37:07am

Nigeria’s interim leader ordered the army to restore peace in the central city of Jos yesterday after nearly 200 people were killed in three days of clashes between Christians and Muslims.

lots of oil under Nigeria...the North is primarily Muslim, and the south Christian, were the oil is

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

560 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:37:13am

re: #550 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sure are.
Even the non-existent ones here are scary.

561 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:38:05am

re: #558 Boondock St. Bender

wow what would these people do without isreal.

Double down on their contempt of the USA!

562 Ericus58  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:39:47am

Rep. Weiner: We Should Listen to Voters, Start Over on Health Care

Youtube Video
563 albusteve  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:39:47am

re: #555 CapeCoddah

They are saying here that our absolutely inept governor may not bother to run again. He looked like a deer in the headlights at Coakley's concession speech, but, then he always does.

Mass may end up being the fuse that touches off the explosion....I think dems everywhere are very nervous today

564 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:40:17am

re: #557 sattv4u2

I'm still a property owner there, and my parents, sisters and a few cousins still live there, so I had a stake in it over and above the national implications.

Who on the horizon is stepping up to challenge Patrick!?!?!

Now ,,, about Barney Frank !!!
/

Barney Fwank has already started furiously pedaling for his political life. Someone posted a link to his statement on last nights thread.... saying we need to seat Brown and wait for him to get there before anything else is done. An absolutely UN-Frank like statement. Kerry and Frank will be next, Frank is up for re-election this year.

565 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:42:07am

re: #557 sattv4u2

Charlie Baker will win the next Governorship here.
We usually have a R gov... going with Cadillac Deval did not work out too well...

566 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:42:30am

re: #564 CapeCoddah

Barney Fwank has already started furiously pedaling for his political life. Someone posted a link to his statement on last nights thread... saying we need to seat Brown and wait for him to get there before anything else is done. An absolutely UN-Frank like statement. Kerry and Frank will be next, Frank is up for re-election this year.

I know. I used to live in his district, two different times, once when he was a Mass rep and later as a congressman

567 albusteve  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:42:33am

The comment was a clear indication that Democrats were recalibrating their approach on health care, leaving them a diminishing and politically difficult set of choices.

the Senate bill is in dire straights now....heh, good job Brownie!

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

568 albusteve  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:43:16am

re: #564 CapeCoddah

Barney Fwank has already started furiously pedaling for his political life. Someone posted a link to his statement on last nights thread... saying we need to seat Brown and wait for him to get there before anything else is done. An absolutely UN-Frank like statement. Kerry and Frank will be next, Frank is up for re-election this year.

Frank has rolled over for sure....amazing

569 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:45:15am

re: #568 albusteve

Keep well clear when he rolls.../

570 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:45:15am

re: #568 albusteve

Frank has rolled over for sure...amazing

Let's not discuss his sex life here.

571 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:45:27am

re: #559 albusteve

Nigeria’s interim leader ordered the army to restore peace in the central city of Jos yesterday after nearly 200 people were killed in three days of clashes between Christians and Muslims.

lots of oil under Nigeria...the North is primarily Muslim, and the south Christian, were the oil is

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Nigeria is a place where the best is impossible but the worst
never happens.
--Old saying, quoted in _The Economist_, 18 April 1953

I met a British official in the interior. He had a thin
brittle voice, profound erudition, and hands like little puddings. He
said, "You must remember that this is a mad country--_quite_ mad!"
--John Gunther, _Inside Africa_, 1955

West and East Nigeria are as different as Ireland from
Germany. The North is as different from either as China.
--Obafemi Awolowo, quoted ibid

572 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:45:29am

re: #565 CapeCoddah

Charlie Baker will win the next Governorship here.
We usually have a R gov... going with Cadillac Deval did not work out too well...

50/50
For every Weld, there was a Dukakis,,,
For every Patrick, there was a Romney

Hell, even going back to my youth for every Volpe, there was a Furcolo

573 Ericus58  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:46:16am

NHL Goals of the Week

Youtube Video

Kinda goes with the mood this morning..... Brown shoots - and SCORES!
Enjoy!

574 Lidane  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:46:24am

re: #554 Mad Al-Jaffee

Nation’s Liberals Suffering From Outrage Fatigue

Heh. I've had outrage fatigue for years now. These days, it's more of a case of cynicism laced with mild annoyance.

Speaking of which, Sarah Palin is hitting the campaign trail:

Palin To Campaign For Bachmann, McCain, Perry

This should be fun.

575 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:46:46am

re: #572 sattv4u2

50/50
For every Weld, there was a Dukakis,,,
For every Patrick, there was a Romney

Hell, even going back to my youth for every Volpe, there was a Furcolo

we took a 17 year vacation from the D gov. after Duke.

576 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:47:38am

re: #575 CapeCoddah

we took a 17 year vacation from the D gov. after Duke.

Took that long to recover from the "Massachusetts Miracle" !
/

577 albusteve  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:48:33am

re: #570 Mad Al-Jaffee

Let's not discuss his sex life here.

c'mom you gize...too early for that 'stuff'

578 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:49:03am

re: #576 sattv4u2

Took that long to recover from the "Massachusetts Miracle" !
/

LOL yeah, then we get Cadillac. He won on a promise to reduce property tax. People fell for that. The governor/legislature has absolutely NO SAY in the property tax. It is a town thing.

579 Ericus58  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:49:51am

NHL Hits of the Week

Youtube Video

And here's how some might feel this morning waking up from last night's rumble...

580 albusteve  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:50:47am

re: #571 The Sanity Inspector

Nigeria is a place where the best is impossible but the worst
never happens.
--Old saying, quoted in _The Economist_, 18 April 1953

I met a British official in the interior. He had a thin
brittle voice, profound erudition, and hands like little puddings. He
said, "You must remember that this is a mad country--_quite_ mad!"
--John Gunther, _Inside Africa_, 1955

West and East Nigeria are as different as Ireland from
Germany. The North is as different from either as China.
--Obafemi Awolowo, quoted ibid

the Niger River Delta is pristine, so far, and that's where the bulk of the oil is....I smell an epic ecological disaster

581 cliffster  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:53:46am

re: #577 albusteve

c'mom you gize...too early for that 'stuff'

Good morning everyone! Oh wait, I'm going back to bed.

582 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:56:29am

Good morning Cliffster

583 BruceKelly  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:56:34am

re: #127 Slumbering Behemoth

Early on, when I first joined here, I recall reading the words of a wise Lizard who once commented on how they try to never drag a grudge from one thread to the next.

I saw the wisdom in that, and have endeavored to do the same. I have failed from time to time, but I still try.

Worth repeating.

584 albusteve  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:57:42am

What is the lesson of Massachusetts – where Democrats face the prospects of losing a Senate seat they’ve held since 1952? For Senator Bayh the lesson is that the party pushed an agenda that is too far to the left, alienating moderate and independent voters.

another Duh! Moment...where are all the people claiming BO is a centrist?

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

585 Soap_Man  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:57:48am

Morning all. After the big news yesterday, this is the first fucking headline I see when I turn on my computer (It's a serious story, not an Onion headline or anything: John Mayer Pleasures Himself

What a world.

586 Ericus58  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:58:46am

Video of Democrats behind the scenes after last night's debacle

Youtube Video
587 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:59:42am

re: #527 reine.de.tout

There is indeed something beautiful about the unleashed energy of nature.

Except maybe earthquakes. I haven't been in one that caused a lot of damage (at least where I was) but I've been in several. One was about 50 seconds long. That gives you plenty of time to wonder if perhaps it might never stop.

588 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 8:01:07am

re: #587 wrenchwench

Morning, Wrench..... we were referring to wind/rain driven storms.. not disasters.

589 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 8:02:54am

re: #585 Soap_Man

Ick.

590 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 8:03:44am

re: #585 Soap_Man

"Let him with a free hand cast the first stone."
-Dennis Miller

591 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 8:05:31am

I'm reading some of the DU comments about Brown winning. They haz a sad. And a mad.

592 badger1970  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 8:05:46am

APOD strikes again with something really cool.

Known Universe Tour

593 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 8:09:12am

re: #588 CapeCoddah

Morning, Wrench... we were referring to wind/rain driven storms.. not disasters.

Good morning.

You don't always get to pick your "unleashed nature". When I was six, I was forced to move from Wisconsin to California. I was afraid of the earthquakes, but not the tornadoes that I had been living with.

Congratulations on your candidate's victory. I know those things have more to do with hard work than "riding a wave of anger" or whatever.

594 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 8:10:24am

re: #591 Mad Al-Jaffee

I'm reading some of the DU comments about Brown winning. They haz a sad. And a mad.

Lemme guess

"He's a teabagger"
"He's a racist because he opposes Obama on health care"
"He wants to throw orphans into the streets, kill puppies and vice versa"

595 njdhockeyfan  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 8:12:15am

re: #535 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What was the final score?

Good morning my friends.

Drive by post...scorecard from last night.

Town-by-town results

596 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 8:17:38am

re: #585 Soap_Man

Morning all. After the big news yesterday, this is the first fucking headline I see when I turn on my computer (It's a serious story, not an Onion headline or anything: John Mayer Pleasures Himself

What a world.

Blecchhh!!

If you liked a book, don't meet the author.
-- Raymond Chandler

597 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 8:18:43am

re: #594 sattv4u2

Lemme guess

"He's a teabagger"
"He's a racist because he opposes Obama on health care"
"He wants to throw orphans into the streets, kill puppies and vice versa"

Actually, killing puppies is prolly okay with some of the DUmmies, given their carbon footprint and the fact they make conservatives happy.

598 Semper Fi  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 8:22:54am

re: #590 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Let him with a free hand cast the first stone."
-Dennis Miller

Good morning, all.

I hope you don't mind if I massage that just a little because I think it would come across thusly:

"Let him (ha, ha, ha) with a free hand (ha, ha, ha) cast the first stone (ha, ha, ha)"

I'm sorry to say, his ha, ha, ha, automatically causes me to change stations. It's a reflex, think. It's automatic and I need to rise above that stuff.

599 Slap  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 8:41:16am

re: #489 Taqyia2Me

When in high school in those days, I learned an important lesson via Black Oak Arkansas (who were a BLISTERING live band in the day -- made Skynyrd seem like a bunch of luuded-out drones): DON'T TAKE AN IMPRESSIONABLE DATE. During the show, and afterward, I lost count of the number of times she said:

"Wow -- those pants are TIGHT".

Over and over and over again....it became her meme for the evening.

It makes me laugh now, but geez.....

600 Baier  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 11:01:03am

Someone is going under the bus for this, my money is on Rahm Emanuel.

601 Sacred Plants  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 9:45:23am

This is a fatalist perspective. Man can chose not to insert any toxic assets into the business of evolution. If it parallels economic thinking then it does matter that no insurance does cover the unintended consequences of the cargo cult science of genetic manipulation. Anyone can easily refuse this ragged job. All it requires is personal responsibility.


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