Overnight Open Thread
Keep a thing happenin’ all throughout.
— John Coltrane
Keep a thing happenin’ all throughout.
— John Coltrane
1 | Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:23:54pm |
Yikes!
SoCal teacher arrested in alleged drunken teaching
THERMAL, Calif. – A Southern California school teacher has been arrested for allegedly teaching while drunk.
Toro Canyon Middle School teacher Tonya Neff was taken to the Indio jail Tuesday afternoon and booked for investigation of felony child endangerment.
Administrators at Thermal's Toro Canyon Middle School told the Riverside County Sheriff's Department that the 47-year-old teacher was apparently intoxicated on campus.
Sheriff's Sgt. Mike Tapp says Neff had taken prescription drugs and alcohol and an alcoholic beverage was found inside a container.
Coachella Valley school district Superintendent Ricardo Medina says there was never a threat to Neff's seventh-grade students. Neff has been placed on leave.
Check out the booking photo.
My high school current events teacher was addicted to valium. She would show movies every day and nod off to sleep while they were running. The administrators apparently feel that this was dangerous although it wasn't conducive to a good learning environment to say the least.
2 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:27:22pm |
Just some more Tori ;)
4 | albusteve Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:33:44pm |
re: #2 LudwigVanQuixote
Just some more Tori ;)
[Video]
after about ten links...I get you are a fan
must be a record
5 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:34:56pm |
re: #4 albusteve
after about ten links...I get you are a fan
must be a record
yes yes, always a good word from you stevo...
6 | Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:37:34pm |
Goodnight, nocturnal hunters.
Good morning, Mandy. Congratulations on Saint Rose's love note to you after your love note to her. I know the Lady of the House of Wounded Feelings and her gallant swain, Defenseman, Lord of the Dead Blog, are grateful.
7 | albusteve Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:39:15pm |
well if Cato's punching out...
I'm out like a curly lightbulb
8 | Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:39:26pm |
re: #1 Shiplord Kirel
Yikes!
SoCal teacher arrested in alleged drunken teachingCheck out the booking photo.
My high school current events teacher was addicted to valium. She would show movies every day and nod off to sleep while they were running. The administrators apparently feel that this was dangerous although it wasn't conducive to a good learning environment to say the least.
She looks like Cindy Sheehan's slightly less hideous younger sister.
9 | freetoken Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:40:05pm |
Loaded up the spin-offs with plenty of eco-links and sexual health links... ought to convince the Fox News viewer checking out LGF that this is a hotbed of communism.
10 | Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:47:02pm |
He was talking about TV back then. But the media is now the Internet. Regardless, the message is still germane
Good Night/Day Lizards. And may the Deity of your choice smile down upon you.
/Wether that smile is benevolent or not is between the two of you.
((Ladies))
11 | goddamnedfrank Thu, Mar 25, 2010 11:49:11pm |
I'm going to keep hammering on this point, Dominionist Christians are two-faced sacks of trash:
"The god of Judaism is the devil. The Jew will not be recognized by God as one of His chosen people until he abandons his demonic religion and returns to the faith of his fathers--the faith which embraces Jesus Christ and His Gospel."
-David Chilton, Christian Reconstructionist.
Don't be fooled amigos, when Ann Coulter says she wants Jews to be perfected, the implication is "or else." The Federal Express reference really isn't about the comparative ease of Christianity vs. Judaism, but about her God drop shipping their unrepentant asses straight into a lake of fire.
12 | Tigger2005 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 12:00:06am |
re: #11 goddamnedfrank
I'm going to keep hammering on this point, Dominionist Christians are two-faced sacks of trash:
Don't be fooled amigos, when Ann Coulter says she wants Jews to be perfected, the implication is "or else." The Federal Express reference really isn't about the comparative ease of Christianity vs. Judaism, but about her God drop shipping their unrepentant asses straight into a lake of fire.
I'm glad this country was founded in part by radical intellectual non-Christians who rejected this sort of nonsense out of hand.
13 | freetoken Fri, Mar 26, 2010 12:00:44am |
re: #11 goddamnedfrank
Well, I've actually read Chilton's The Days of Vengeance, and pretty much concluded that, while it might seem strange to some modern American conceptualization of Christianity, historically speaking Chilton's positions weren't uncommon in the past.
There really is no logical reconciliation between classic Christian soteriology and non-Christian beliefs. Some modern practitioners of Catholicism try, I think, and the "mainline" Protestant churches have developed a much more loose interpretation of "salvation". Yet it is true that for 13 centuries, from Augustine through Calvin, the major Christian teachers were quiet adamant about the exclusivity of the claims of Christianity.
14 | Mocking Jay Fri, Mar 26, 2010 12:01:47am |
re: #11 goddamnedfrank
I'm going to keep hammering on this point, Dominionist Christians are two-faced sacks of trash:
Don't be fooled amigos, when Ann Coulter says she wants Jews to be perfected, the implication is "or else." The Federal Express reference really isn't about the comparative ease of Christianity vs. Judaism, but about her God drop shipping their unrepentant asses straight into a lake of fire.
I love it when she says all Americans should be Christian. That's... that's something all right.
15 | goddamnedfrank Fri, Mar 26, 2010 12:03:17am |
re: #12 Tigger2005
I'm glad this country was founded in part by radical intellectual non-Christians who rejected this sort of nonsense out of hand.
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.-Treaty of Tripoli
16 | Mocking Jay Fri, Mar 26, 2010 12:05:32am |
re: #11 goddamnedfrank
I'm going to keep hammering on this point, Dominionist Christians are two-faced sacks of trash:
Don't be fooled amigos, when Ann Coulter says she wants Jews to be perfected, the implication is "or else." The Federal Express reference really isn't about the comparative ease of Christianity vs. Judaism, but about her God drop shipping their unrepentant asses straight into a lake of fire.
Hold on a sec...
If I believe in all that stuff that was cut out of the Bible when the church "edited it" would that make me more perfect than Christians? Hmm.
17 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Mar 26, 2010 12:08:06am |
OK Hot Air has come to quoting actual Nazi scum
This from their comments on Quotes of the day
POSTED AT 10:30 PM ON MARCH 25, 2010 BY ALLAHPUNDIT
LewRockwell.com -
Americans have every right to be angry at almost everything the feds do, and passions on both sides were strained as this epochal battle over health care reached the final vote. I look at the video linked in Cashill’s article, and I definitely do see anger. But no evidence of racism. What – were they supposed to stop their protesting and just smile and wave “hello” to these congressmen because they were black? That’s racism itself.
By the way, can anyone explain why the members of the Black Caucus were walking through the crowd? Where were they coming from? Since I didn’t watch the live coverage, I have no idea why they were there.
Congressmen usually take the underground Capitol Hill subway when going from their Senate and House office buildings (if that’s where they were coming from) to the Capitol for a vote. And if they are arriving by car, the car usually pulls right up to an entrance of the Capitol, so in that case they wouldn’t be walking a gauntlet through the crowd. Call me Mr. Suspicious, but it sort of looks to me like they wanted to provoke a reaction – not such a stretch for members of the Black Caucus. Call me Mr. Conspiracist, but I think I smell a set-up.
So, show me the videotape or recording evidence – not of vehemence, but of actual racism. If you produce it, I’m ready to condemn it. Short of that, I condemn the people who smear their opposition – without evidence – with such labels. That sort of group-smear may be politics as usual, but that’s why most Americans hate politics as usual.
A note to my liberal friends:
If you are uncomfortable with the vehemence of the protests, all I can say is, get used to it. It’s only going to get worse in the years ahead, on both the Left and the Right. As the nation heads toward bankruptcy, “entitlements” will be drastically cut and taxes will be drastically raised. There are going to be a lot of pissed-off people.
KentAllard on March 26, 2010 at 1:53 AM
18 | goddamnedfrank Fri, Mar 26, 2010 12:09:32am |
re: #16 JasonA
Hold on a sec...
If I believe in all that stuff that was cut out of the Bible when the church "edited it" would that make me more perfect than Christians? Hmm.
I'm not a good judge of perfection, but thatwould leave one with a much better impression of Judas.
19 | Lidane Fri, Mar 26, 2010 12:13:35am |
Send lawyers, guns, and money-- the shit has hit the fan:
Pope Was Told Pedophile Priest Would Get Transfer
MUNICH — The future Pope Benedict XVI was kept more closely apprised of a sexual abuse case in Germany than previous church statements have suggested, raising fresh questions about his handling of a scandal unfolding under his direct supervision before he rose to the top of the church’s hierarchy.
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the future pope and archbishop in Munich at the time, was copied on a memo that informed him that a priest, whom he had approved sending to therapy in 1980 to overcome pedophilia, would be returned to pastoral work within days of beginning psychiatric treatment. The priest was later convicted of molesting boys in another parish.
An initial statement on the matter issued earlier this month by the Archdiocese of Munich and Freising placed full responsibility for the decision to allow the priest to resume his duties on Cardinal Ratzinger’s deputy, the Rev. Gerhard Gruber. But the memo, whose existence was confirmed by two church officials, shows that the future pope not only led a meeting on Jan. 15, 1980, approving the transfer of the priest, but was also kept informed about the priest’s reassignment.
What part he played in the decision making, and how much interest he showed in the case of the troubled priest, who had molested multiple boys in his previous job, remains unclear. But the personnel chief who handled the matter from the beginning, the Rev. Friedrich Fahr, “always remained personally, exceptionally connected” to Cardinal Ratzinger, the church said.
The case of the German priest, the Rev. Peter Hullermann, has acquired fresh relevance because it unfolded at a time when Cardinal Ratzinger, who was later put in charge of handling thousands of abuse cases on behalf of the Vatican, was in a position to refer the priest for prosecution, or at least to stop him from coming into contact with children. The German Archdiocese has acknowledged that “bad mistakes” were made in the handling of Father Hullermann, though it attributed those mistakes to people reporting to Cardinal Ratzinger rather than to the cardinal himself.
Church officials defend Benedict by saying the memo was routine and was “unlikely to have landed on the archbishop’s desk,” according to the Rev. Lorenz Wolf, judicial vicar at the Munich Archdiocese. But Father Wolf said he could not rule out that Cardinal Ratzinger had read it.
20 | Tigger2005 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 12:20:22am |
re: #13 freetoken
Well, I've actually read Chilton's The Days of Vengeance, and pretty much concluded that, while it might seem strange to some modern American conceptualization of Christianity, historically speaking Chilton's positions weren't uncommon in the past.
There really is no logical reconciliation between classic Christian soteriology and non-Christian beliefs. Some modern practitioners of Catholicism try, I think, and the "mainline" Protestant churches have developed a much more loose interpretation of "salvation". Yet it is true that for 13 centuries, from Augustine through Calvin, the major Christian teachers were quiet adamant about the exclusivity of the claims of Christianity.
Which is why Thomas Jefferson believed that the deification of Jesus was a part of a historical power grab by the Christian Church. He regarded Jesus as a great teacher of universal ethics, and rewrote the Gospels to remove Jesus' miracles and claims of divinity.
He may have been somewhat correct, although it's more likely there was no historical Jesus at all...the Gospels are probably allegorical tales that people eventually came to regard as history, especially since they contained a couple of historical figures and are placed in identifiable locales. Christianity probably coalesced out of a bewildering variety of sects that had in common a belief in some kind of intermediary between God and man, who "saved" either by imparting spiritual knowledge or by "descending" through the heavens to a point close to Earth, taking on the likeness of flesh, and undergoing a death and resurrection. (Similar beliefs were held by the mystery cults that were popular at the same time Christianity was emerging.)
Christianity owes a great deal to the meeting of mystical Judaism with neo-Platonist philosophy.
21 | AK-47% Fri, Mar 26, 2010 12:20:31am |
re: #16 JasonA
Funny, because Islam sees itself as the "perfection" and "refinement" of the Christian belief and are preapred to accept jesus Christ as a phophet of God, just not The Prophet.
And Mormonism also sees itself as a further efinement of Christianity, revealing lost Scriptures.
So let this become a religious hymn for all those whose faith is short of achieving the Divine:
22 | Mocking Jay Fri, Mar 26, 2010 12:23:39am |
re: #19 Lidane
Send lawyers, guns, and money-- the shit has hit the fan:
Why bother? He's a head of state. Nothing to be done, apparently.
I have a better idea: stop giving people authority because they know the bible better than you do.
(Not you personally, of course.)
23 | Mocking Jay Fri, Mar 26, 2010 12:25:28am |
re: #21 ralphieboy
Funny, because Islam sees itself as the "perfection" and "refinement" of the Christian belief and are preapred to accept jesus Christ as a phophet of God, just not The Prophet.
And Mormonism also sees itself as a further efinement of Christianity, revealing lost Scriptures.
So let this become a religious hymn for all those whose faith is short of achieving the Divine:
[Video]
*shrugs* I'm a heathen. It would seem I have a whole bunch of hells waiting for me.
24 | windhorse Fri, Mar 26, 2010 12:34:13am |
in dreams, I walk with you..........
In dreams.....
25 | SixDegrees Fri, Mar 26, 2010 12:35:29am |
re: #12 Tigger2005
I'm glad this country was founded in part by radical intellectual non-Christians who rejected this sort of nonsense out of hand.
Well, regardless of what their personal beliefs were, they made a real breakthrough in relegating them to the status of 'personal,' and taking pains to arrange that the state would stay out of it's citizen's personal business to the largest degree possible and allow them to pursue whatever each individual's beliefs happened to be.
Of course, they were inspired to do so in part by direct experience with an intrusive theocracy, something few in the West have any first-hand contact with today.
26 | Lidane Fri, Mar 26, 2010 12:37:18am |
re: #22 JasonA
I have a better idea: stop giving people authority because they know the bible better than you do.
(Not you personally, of course.)
Heh. I know what you meant.
To be honest, I gave the Church authority over that for 18 years, since I was raised Catholic. Walked away from it for a whole set of reasons that had nothing to do with all these molestation scandals, too. Basically, I just didn't believe in it anymore. I like the rituals of the Mass, I just don't buy into any of it, so I walked away. Haven't set foot in a church except for weddings, funerals or the occasional service when I visit my Mom in almost 20 years. These days, I'm an atheist.
The scope and breadth of all these scandals is mind-blowing, especially their direct connection to the Pope. I mean, a policy like shuffling these priests around had to start at the top, but having it all presented in such stark terms is what has so many people shocked by the story.
27 | Mocking Jay Fri, Mar 26, 2010 12:40:22am |
re: #26 Lidane
Andrew Sullivan had a nice post on this today.
[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]
These men are too objectively disordered to run a church. They bask in self-denial, while they wage a culture war against gay men who have actually dealt with their sexuality, who have owned it, and celebrated it and even found ways to channel it into adult relationships and even civil marriage.
28 | stayfrosty Fri, Mar 26, 2010 12:45:29am |
Times Online: Binyamin Netanyahu humiliated after Barack Obama 'dumped him for dinner'
For a head of government to visit the White House and not pose for photographers is rare. For a key ally to be left to his own devices while the President withdraws to have dinner in private was, until this week, unheard of. Yet that is how Binyamin Netanyahu was treated by President Obama on Tuesday night, according to Israeli reports on a trip viewed in Jerusalem as a humiliation.
After failing to extract a written promise of concessions on settlements, Mr Obama walked out of his meeting with Mr Netanyahu but invited him to stay at the White House, consult with advisers and “let me know if there is anything new”, a US congressman, who spoke to the Prime Minister, said.
“It was awful,” the congressman said. One Israeli newspaper called the meeting “a hazing in stages”, poisoned by such mistrust that the Israeli delegation eventually left rather than risk being eavesdropped on a White House telephone line. Another said that the Prime Minister had received “the treatment reserved for the President of Equatorial Guinea”.
(snip)
29 | Lidane Fri, Mar 26, 2010 12:45:32am |
re: #27 JasonA
Andrew Sullivan had a nice post on this today.
Yeah, I just read that.
I feel for Sully. He goes off the reservation sometimes, like all his weird conspiracies about Sarah Palin, but at heart I think he's a good guy. This scandal has to be playing hell on him, just because he legitimately wants to stay Catholic, as he considers it the best reflection of his religious beliefs.
I couldn't imagine being a devout Catholic and seeing all this unfolding right now. In a way, I'm actually happier that I walked away when I did when I read about these scandals.
30 | Mocking Jay Fri, Mar 26, 2010 12:51:58am |
re: #29 Lidane
Yeah, his Palin stuff is out there, especially since I don't see the point. Even if he's right about it what has he gained?
I was raised in Catholic schools, too. Leaving it was very gradual and happened in bits and pieces. It's hard for me to imagine it, too. To get into that frame of mind again. Can't say I miss it.
Time for me to get some sleep. Have a pleasant night.
31 | Lidane Fri, Mar 26, 2010 1:06:10am |
re: #30 JasonA
I was raised in Catholic schools, too. Leaving it was very gradual and happened in bits and pieces. It's hard for me to imagine it, too. To get into that frame of mind again. Can't say I miss it.
Yeah, can't say I miss it either. It's weird-- I just can't get into that frame of mind for any religion. I've tried, too. I just keep going back to my skepticism about all faiths and about any concept of a personal deity. I guess being an atheist is just my default setting. Heh.
Time for me to get some sleep. Have a pleasant night.
You too. In fact, sleep sounds like a great idea. G'night Lizards! :)
32 | Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 26, 2010 1:07:53am |
re: #21 ralphieboy
Funny, because Islam sees itself as the "perfection" and "refinement" of the Christian belief and are [sic] preapred [sic] to accept jesus [sic] Christ as a phophet [sic] of God, just not The Prophet.
Allowing for the plain fact that you were drunk when you typed this nonsense, it remains nonsense.
Islam sees itself as the original, pure religion of Adam and Noah, and Judaism and Christianity as the willful perversions of same.
Come back when you're sober and have read something on the subject. I suggest Bernard Lewis as a starting point.
33 | goddamnedfrank Fri, Mar 26, 2010 1:37:40am |
re: #32 Cato the Elder
Islam sees itself as the original, pure religion of Adam and Noah, and Judaism and Christianity as the willful perversions of same.
Yet as a matter of faith Muslims believe that Jesus was born of a virgin Mary. The Koran takes great pains not to question one of the most obviously questionable aspects of the New Testament. Why bother doing this if the stress is on an original primacy of religious tradition?
Islam, may present itself as the pure religion of Adam and Noah, but it is also fully cognizant of the entire historical evolution of the various Abrahamic faiths, placing itself within and characterizing itself as the last, final, and only correct iteration thereof.
34 | Taqyia2Me Fri, Mar 26, 2010 2:55:31am |
[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]
"...Like it or not, between 2001 and 2008, the “progressive” community redefined what is acceptable and not acceptable in political and public discourse about their elected officials. Slurs like “Nazi” and “fascist” and “I hate” were no longer the old street-theater derangement of the 1960s, but were elevated to high-society novels, films, political journalism, and vein-bulging outbursts of our elites. If one were to take the word "Bush" and replace it with "Obama" in the work of a Nicholson Baker, or director Gabriel Range, or Garrison Keillor or Jonathan Chait, or in the rhetoic of a Gore or Moore, we would be presently in a national crisis, witnessing summits on the epidemic of "hate speech."
So here we are with the age-old problem that once one destroys decorum for the sake of short-term expediency, it is very hard to restore it in any credible fashion on grounds of principle when the proverbial shoe is on the other foot. A modest suggestion: If the liberal community wishes to be more credible in its concern about contemporary extremist anti-administration rhetoric, then they might try the following: “Please, let us avoid extremism and do not fall into the same trap as Baker, Chait, Keillor, Gore, Moore, or Range when they either expressed open hatred toward their president, or speculated about the assassination of their president, or compared their president to a fascist. We must disown such extremism, past and present."
35 | AK-47% Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:16:17am |
re: #32 Cato the Elder
not drunk, Cato, just pre-caffienated and getting out the door to work here in Old Europe.
The Koran even contains verses on the virgin birth, and is prepared to let Christians retain a lot of their faith as long as they accept Mohammed as the One and Only Pfrophet (sic, eh?)
36 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:17:46am |
re: #14 JasonA
I love it when she says all Americans should be Christian. That's... that's something all right.
There was a time that I supported Ann's "We should invade their countries... convert..." meme.
Posted it here (in my nascent lizardom), Charles deleted it. Was my first deleted comment at LGF...
Thought it thoroughly through (which is something that I wish that all fringies would do) and came up with this little brainstorm.
"WHAT THE HELL WAS I THINKING?! WHAT KIND OF PERSON DO I WANT TO BE?!"
37 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:21:16am |
re: #36 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I love people who toss bombs like that, left and right. Funny is funny.
Morning all!
38 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:25:43am |
re: #36 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"WHAT THE HELL WAS I THINKING?! WHAT KIND OF PERSON DO I WANT TO BE?!"
ummm ,,, lemme guess
Fat
a vegetarian
a bastard!
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED !!
39 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:28:00am |
David Frum:
Plumline: David Frum: AEI Says They Didn’t Axe Me For Slamming GOP
[Link: theplumline.whorunsgov.com...]
and Bruce Bartlett's take:
[Link: capitalgainsandgames.com...]
Since, he is no longer affiliated with AEI, I feel free to say publicly something he told me in private a few months ago. He asked if I had noticed any comments by AEI "scholars" on the subject of health care reform. I said no and he said that was because they had been ordered not to speak to the media because they agreed with too much of what Obama was trying to do.
40 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:32:33am |
re: #34 Taqyia2Me
8 years of reagan the left acted like assholes. 8 years of clinton the right acted like assholes. 8 years of bush and the left acted like assholes. It's obama's turn. I'll take them all seriously right around....never.
"Why do they have to be so meeaan". Boo-Freaking-Hoo.
41 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:40:34am |
The order prohibits Michael Watkins, of Greenfield, and Emily Putney, of Royalston, from violating the civil rights of any person in the state based on actual or perceived race, national origin or religion.
Violation of the injunction is a criminal offense punishable by a fine of up to $5,000 and up to two and a half years in prison or $10,000 and up to 10 years in prison if physical injury results.
SNIP
Putney led police on a half-mile chase, during which Watkins threw a loaded large capacity shotgun from the passenger seat window, before pulling over. Watkins then charged at police, who were able to subdue and arrest Watkins only after administering a Taser on him twice.
Watkins pleaded guilty in Wareham District Court to criminal charges of civil rights violations, firearm violations and resisting arrest in connection with the incident. Watkins is currently serving an 18-month sentence for an unrelated incident in Athol and will serve additional committed time in jail for the firearm, resisting arrest and civil rights violations.
42 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:42:15am |
Someone Finally Takes Sean Penn's Advice
[Link: reason.com...]
So what does a squalid little autocracy do when faced with an increasingly angry opposition, irritated that a country of such massive oil wealth cannot keep the power on or the shelves stocked with meat or sugar? Well, don’t tell Sean Penn (he'll get a big head), but the Chavez regime has taken his advice; cracking down on free speech and the pesky, disorganized political opposition. First, it was anti-Chavez politician Oswaldo Alvarez Paz, who recently told a television interviewer that the well-documented charges emanating from Spain connecting the Miraflores gang to FARC and ETA could not be easily dismissed. The country’s reptilian Justice Minister Tareck El Aissami responded by throwing Paz in jail (on charges of “spreading false information”) and commenting: "Someone cannot stand up to defame, to lie, to manipulate in the media here and not have anything happen." It’s eerily reminiscent of Sandinista censor Nelba Blandon’s classic vulgarity, when asked why the government shuttered an opposition newspaper: "They accused us of suppressing freedom of expression. This was a lie and we could not let them publish it."
43 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:47:10am |
re: #41 MandyManners
In the parking lot, Watkins shouted an onslaught of hateful speech at the Jewish customer, calling him a "white (n-word)" and saying, "we will kill you all" and "(n-word) will die, not whites." Out of fear, the customer returned to the supermarket, where employees called police. Watkins was accompanied by Putney during the incident, who also drove Watkins away from the scene.
.........
Watkins pleaded guilty in Wareham District Court to criminal charges of civil rights violations, firearm violations and resisting arrest in connection with the incident.
So, if he had threatened to kill him because he didn't like the shirt he was wearing that would have been ok?
44 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:48:44am |
re: #42 RogueOne
Someone Finally Takes Sean Penn's Advice
[Link: reason.com...]
Man, I really hate the fact that Sean Penn is an incredibly influential radio talk show host who reaches millions of homes each day and rakes in like a quarter of a billion dollar contract oh wait
45 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:50:44am |
re: #44 WindUpBird
Man, I really hate the fact that Sean Penn is an incredibly influential radio talk show host who reaches millions of homes each day and rakes in like a quarter of a billion dollar contract oh wait
Yeah ,,,excuse bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior
That's the way I would have gone also!
46 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:51:04am |
re: #43 RogueOne
So, if he had threatened to kill him because he didn't like the shirt he was wearing that would have been ok?
shirtist!
47 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:51:35am |
re: #41 MandyManners
In the parking lot, Watkins shouted an onslaught of hateful speech at the Jewish customer, calling him a "white (n-word)" and saying, "we will kill you all" and "(n-word) will die, not whites." Out of fear, the customer returned to the supermarket, where employees called police.
The death threat, stalking and intimidation would presumably be grounds for criminal code charges. If so, I think I would have preferred that to the use of civil rights legislation.
48 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:51:53am |
re: #40 RogueOne
8 years of reagan the left acted like assholes. 8 years of clinton the right acted like assholes. 8 years of bush and the left acted like assholes. It's obama's turn. I'll take them all seriously right around...never.
"Why do they have to be so meeaan". Boo-Freaking-Hoo.
I don't ever remember the "left" during Reagan spitting on and threatening the lives of congressmen, screaming at disabled people, threatening to secede because a vote didn't go their way but maybe I just forgot my upbringng :(
Asshole (doesnotequal) wacko
49 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:53:42am |
re: #45 sattv4u2
Yeah ,,,excuse bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior
That's the way I would have gone also!
HAY I'M SATTV4U2 I HEARD OF THIS LIBERAL GUY WHO IS IN MOVIES HE'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE HE'S A LIBERAL AND I HATE HIM HE IS EXTREMELY INFLUENTIAL AND SIGNIFICANT AND WIELDS ENORMOUS POWER ON THE LEFT OR AT LEAST I WILL PRETEND SO BECAUSE IT MAKES ME FEEL A LITTLE BETTER
Carry on :)
50 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:54:37am |
re: #48 WindUpBird
I remember lefties cheering when Reagan was shot.
You probably don't remember that.
51 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:55:18am |
re: #42 RogueOne
Someone Finally Takes Sean Penn's Advice
[Link: reason.com...]
O
pposition leaders and human rights groups condemned Thursday's arrest of Guillermo Zuloaga, the owner of Globovision, who was detained on a warrant by military intelligence agents and released hours later after appearing in court. Critics called the case a major setback for freedom of speech, saying it shows the government is growing increasingly intolerant and authoritarian as its popular support has slipped.Zuloaga was detained while authorities investigate his "offensive" remarks against the president at an Inter American Press Association meeting in Aruba, Attorney General Luisa Ortega said. Zuloaga had joined other media executives at the forum last weekend in criticizing Chavez's government for limiting free speech and cracking down on critics.
The Attorney General's Office said in a statement that prosecutors are investigating Zuloaga for violating a law prohibiting Venezuelans from spreading "false information through any medium," including newspapers, radio, television, e-mails or leaflets, "that cause public panic."
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52 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:55:28am |
re: #44 WindUpBird
Man, I really hate the fact that Sean Penn is an incredibly influential radio talk show host who reaches millions of homes each day and rakes in like a quarter of a billion dollar contract oh wait
Yeah. Otherwise who would care that he believes journalists should be jailed for not saying the correct things or that he supports an obvious thug/dictator-wanna-be.
53 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:55:39am |
54 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:56:30am |
55 | Taqyia2Me Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:57:27am |
re: #50 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I remember lefties cheering when Reagan was shot.
You probably don't remember that.
I bet I could go to a lefty site right now and, to this day, see someone still celebrating Reagan's death.
56 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:57:30am |
re: #48 WindUpBird
I don't ever remember the "left" during Reagan spitting on and threatening the lives of congressmen, screaming at disabled people, threatening to secede because a vote didn't go their way but maybe I just forgot my upbringng :(
Asshole (doesnotequal) wacko
Maybe you weren't around for the "reagan wants to destroy the world" good times, I was. I notice you didn't mention anything about the clinton years, would you carry your thought on to excuse the outrageous behavior during his terms?
57 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:58:01am |
I'm not running the "they did it too, meme". Just saying selective memory is dishonest.
58 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:58:53am |
re: #42 RogueOne
About Tareck El Aissami.
Venezuelan investigative journalist, Patricia Poleo, who escaped Venezuela and currently lives in Miami says that Mr. Aissami together with others affiliated with Hezbollah, such as Lebanon-born Gahzi Nasserddine, currently the Business Liaison at the Venezuelan embassy in Damascus, and his brother, Ghasan Atef Salameh Nasserddi, are in charge of recruiting young Venezuelan Arabs affiliated with the 'Partido Socialista Unido de Venezuela' or PSUV (Chavez's Socialist Party), to be sent to South Lebanon for combat training in Hezbollah camps preparing them for 'asymmetrical war' against the United States. Once back in Venezuela, they are greeted by radical members of the Venezuelan Socialist Party affiliated with UNEFA (the university run by the Armed Forces) and the Universidad Bolivariana de Venezuela (Venezuelan Bolivarian University) and continue with their training in firearms, explosives and munitions. The training camps are located in the states of Monagas, Miranda, el Páramo, Falcon, Yaracuy, Yumare, and Trujillo and the districts of Maturin, Los Teques, El Jari, Churuguara and Sierra de San Luis. These groups and individuals are supervised by the Hezbollah Organization in Venezuela, along with al-Qaeda Iraqis currently living in the country and by the Palestinian Democratic Front, headed by Salid Ahmed Rahman, whose office is located in Caracas's Central Park.[4]Since Chavez assumed the Presidency, Hezbollah, Hamas and al-Qaeda have used Venezuela as their bridge to other Latin American countries. There is information that a group of Iraqi activists belonging to al-Qaeda are currently in Caracas. Their names are: Mohammed Adnan Yasin, Falah Amin Taha and Muhi Alwan Mohammed Al Qaisi. They all arrived in Caracas with temporary visas granted and approved by the heads of Onidex (Cabezas and Aissami) and are believed to be very dangerous. They oversee the activities of these terrorist organizations in the tri – border region, and in Nicaragua and Argentina.[5]
SNIP
59 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:59:29am |
re: #57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm not running the "they did it too, meme". Just saying selective memory is dishonest.
I keep saying this but no one ever pays attention....this has been going on since Washington. Washington was the one and only president we've had where the people gave him the utmost respect. Since then we've behaved like people behave, we're assholes.
60 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 3:59:35am |
re: #57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm not running the "they did it too, meme". Just saying selective memory is dishonest.
My original point in #45 that WUB found so objectionable
61 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:00:29am |
62 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:00:58am |
re: #43 RogueOne
So, if he had threatened to kill him because he didn't like the shirt he was wearing that would have been ok?
I"m not fond of hate-crime laws but, they do have their uses.
63 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:01:20am |
Wille on Morning Joe has put together a piece "Bidens Top 10 Moments". Hilarious!
64 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:01:59am |
re: #47 Spare O'Lake
The death threat, stalking and intimidation would presumably be grounds for criminal code charges. If so, I think I would have preferred that to the use of civil rights legislation.
I'm trying to figure out how the bastard knew that the victim was a Jew.
65 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:02:01am |
re: #59 RogueOne
I keep saying this but no one ever pays attention...this has been going on since Washington. (1) Washington was the one and only president we've had where the people gave him the utmost respect. Since then we've behaved like people behave, (2) we're assholes.
Not sure I agree with #1, but #2, now ,, YUP
Back to #1,,, I wonder if it's because he was in unchartered territory. Nobody knew what a POTUS should be!
66 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:02:38am |
re: #50 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I remember lefties cheering when Reagan was shot.
You probably don't remember that.
Only right-wingers can cheer violence, siwwy boy.
67 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:02:49am |
68 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:02:55am |
re: #64 MandyManners
I'm trying to figure out how the bastard knew that the victim was a Jew.
Maybe the "I'm a Jew!" t-shirt?
69 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:04:18am |
re: #65 sattv4u2
Not sure I agree with #1, but #2, now ,, YUP
Back to #1,,, I wonder if it's because he was in unchartered territory. Nobody knew what a POTUS should be!
That's probably part of the reason Washington got a pass. Once congress, the public, and the press got their feet under them it was all beating people with canes and shooting each other in duels. Good times, Good times.
70 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:04:41am |
re: #57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm not running the "they did it too, meme". Just saying selective memory is dishonest.
Reagan was also regularly mocked by lefties for being a senile old fogie.
71 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:04:45am |
72 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:05:03am |
74 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:07:17am |
Cantor and Weiner look close enough alike to be brothers. Separated at birth?
75 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:07:44am |
re: #70 Spare O'Lake
Reagan was also regularly mocked by lefties for being a senile old fogie.
I used to love that. I responded by saying "so your party got it's ass handed to them by a senile old fogie, huh?"
((used a slightly altered version when the Bush is an idiot crowd emerged))
"So you party lost not once, but TWICE to a complete idiot,,fascinating!!""
76 | AK-47% Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:08:13am |
re: #55 Taqyia2Me
I bet I could go to a lefty site right now and, to this day, see someone still celebrating Reagan's death.
The cheering was cut off suddenly when Al Haig announced "I'm in control here!"
77 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:10:23am |
re: #76 ralphieboy
The cheering was cut off suddenly when Al Haig announced "I'm in control here!"
Same reason us on the right wish absolutely NO ill will towards Obama
Biden stands at the ready, and if not him, Nana P.!
78 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:10:50am |
More on the Chavez vs. the press crackdown:
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
Stepping up what opponents call a smack-down of opposition voices, the Venezuelan attorney general said Thursday that authorities had arrested the owner of the Globovision TV channel, one of the few remaining broadcasters critical of President Hugo Chavez.Guillermo Zuloaga was arrested at an airport in western Venezuela as he was preparing to fly his private airplane to Bonaire, a Caribbean vacation destination, for Easter week. Venezuelan Atty. Gen. Luisa Ortega Diaz said Zuloaga was detained because he was considered a flight risk.
.......
Chavez has lashed out at journalists as he has come under increasing criticism from opposition figures for the high inflation rate, violent crime and what foreign diplomats and law enforcement describe as rampant drug trafficking.In May 2007, Chavez denied the renewal of a broadcast license to RCTV, then the most popular network in Venezuela and also a staunch critic of the president.
Chavez has also forced the closure of 33 independent radio stations and clamped down on regional newspapers.
How much longer are people on the far-left going to continue to make excuses for this asshole?
79 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:11:09am |
Questionable Obsessions
In November, Jim Bartek, 49, of Maple Heights, Ohio, announced he was ending his streak of 524 consecutive days in which he listened to the album "Nostradamus" by the heavy-metal group Judas Priest. [Plain Dealer (Cleveland), 11-21-09]
80 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:11:30am |
re: #70 Spare O'Lake
Reagan was also regularly mocked by lefties for being a senile old fogie.
81 | Taqyia2Me Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:11:40am |
re: #77 sattv4u2
Same reason us on the right wish absolutely NO ill will towards Obama
Biden stands at the ready, and if not him, Nana P.!
Amen! Many times, every single day!
82 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:11:55am |
Ron Paul is on Morning Joe. I wish he weren't such a whack-o.
85 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:14:58am |
re: #68 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Maybe the "I'm a Jew!" t-shirt?
Or maybe it was the "Israel Is Real" bumper sticker.
86 | Taqyia2Me Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:15:06am |
87 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:17:21am |
re: #78 RogueOne
More on the Chavez vs. the press crackdown:
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
How much longer are people on the far-left going to continue to make excuses for this asshole?
Forever.
88 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:18:10am |
re: #84 Cannadian Club Akbar
Morning infidels.
Did you decapitate those poor, widdle blades of grass yesterday?
89 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:18:52am |
90 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:19:13am |
re: #88 MandyManners
Did you decapitate those poor, widdle blades of grass yesterday?
No. I had to work. Had an associate do it for me. Bwhahahaha!!!
91 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:20:32am |
Another group of the activists was reported to have marched in Matanzas, east of Havana, and a dissident charged that government supporters armed with sticks and steel bars attacked his home at the same time.
``We wanted to be on the streets simultaneously with all those [Miami] people who identify with our pain, and show that in a not too-distant day we will all be together,'' said Berta Soler Fernandez, a Havana member of the Ladies in White.
The women activists, all relatives of jailed dissidents, marched carrying flowers and Cuban flags to the Malecón near the Hotel Nacional and released a flock of white doves, Soler added.
A small group of pro-government university students harassed the women with chants of ``Viva Fidel!,'' and a larger group of security agents and civilians joined the counter-demonstration later but there was no violence, she reported.
SNIP
I reckon the government and its thugs figured the world was paying attention this time.
92 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:23:09am |
re: #86 Taqyia2Me
I so miss Phil Hartman too...
The greatest (not arguably, THE GREATEST) SNL Cast member ever.
93 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:23:45am |
My new electric bill is $23.00. But, that will change soon. About to get hot in a month or so.:(
94 | laZardo Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:24:01am |
re: #87 MandyManners
From that news-parody site you showed us a few threads back...
Kidnap victim Maria Angelica Guerrero got her kidnapper arrested by making him commit a "crime of opinion."
"It's the second time I was kidnapped and as the police never do anything in these cases, I thought that if the guy spoke ill of the president or some of his ministers perhaps they could finally get him," the victim said.
/deciphering google translate
95 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:26:09am |
re: #92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The greatest (not arguably, THE GREATEST) SNL Cast member ever.
John Belushi
Gilda Radner
96 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:26:15am |
re: #91 MandyManners
SNIP
Gloria Estefan's famous husband, Emilio Estefan, agreed.
``We truly are in a new era and it's the young generation with blooming technology in an age of camera phones and Twitter,'' he said. ``There is no escaping the truth anymore. We have finally reached a turning point for Cuba, Miami, the movement. This is a turning point in history.''
SNIP
Pelaez took a quote from Orlando Zapata Tamayo's mother, a Dama de Blanco, and made it her Facebook status:
` ``They dragged me, I am all bruised. They beat me. They called me a n-----. They will know this mother's pain. When I get to my home town of Banes in my home province of Holguín they will have to bury me with my son. But my people will remember me. They will remember me. . . . The Castro brothers cannot be forgiven. They cannot be forgiven.'' No wonder Fidel is afraid.'
SNIP
97 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:27:31am |
98 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:27:55am |
re: #94 laZardo
From that news-parody site you showed us a few threads back...
/deciphering google translate
Maybe Chavez will arrest her, instead.
99 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:32:21am |
The judges pointed out that even the Hindu gods, Lord Krishna and Radha, were co-habiting lovers rather than man and wife. “When two adult people want to live together, what is the offence?” they said. “Living together is not an offence. Living together is a right to life.”
The ruling marks a legal milestone in India’s sexual revolution as younger members of the urban professional classes slowly but steadily break down traditional taboos.
It is unlikely, however, to change habits among most Indians, who rarely indulge in premarital sex, let alone cohabit with lovers, and usually have their spouses chosen by their parents.
SNIP
100 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:33:29am |
re: #97 sattv4u2
Dan Ackroyd, Jane Curtin, Garrett Morris
The original cast was awesome.
102 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:37:02am |
103 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:37:42am |
May as well start throwing the verbal bombs early, wake up people.
Zealots come out against HC mandate because the government shouldn't punish people who can't afford insurance:
and:
104 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:37:59am |
re: #100 Spare O'Lake
Dan Ackroyd, Jane Curtin, Garrett Morris
The original cast was awesome.
We've romanticized the original cast. SNL was very hit and miss in the beginning. Phil was never hit and miss. He was "hit".
105 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:40:57am |
Despite an overall slight decline in most head and neck cancers in recent years, cases of a particular form called oropharyngeal squamous cell carcinoma (OSCC) have increased sharply, particularly in the developed world.
This growth seems to be linked to cancers caused by the human papillomavirus (HPV), the scientists said in a report in the British Medical Journal.
SNIP
106 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:41:53am |
re: #103 RogueOne
A guy I work with has been in the hospital since Sunday. He has a virus in his heart. The doctors won't release him. We have no insurance through my job. Weird.
107 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:43:07am |
108 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:45:01am |
re: #106 Cannadian Club Akbar
A guy I work with has been in the hospital since Sunday. He has a virus in his heart. The doctors won't release him. We have no insurance through my job. Weird.
My aunt has been in the hospital in Cincinnati for a month without insurance. They're trying to get her healthy enough for a liver transplant. They were supposed to do it over a week ago but ran into complications when they opened her up. She'll have to declare medical bankruptcy but at least she's getting very good care.
109 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:45:21am |
re: #107 thedopefishlives
B-b-b-but it's not really sex, Mandy, so how can I get an STD from it?/
I blame Bill Clinton.
110 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:46:30am |
re: #109 MandyManners
I blame Bill Clinton.
Y'know, as much as I despise the man, this is one guilt trip I really can't lay on him. I think his casual attitude toward sexual acts was more a reflection of the trend than a cause of it.
111 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:47:11am |
re: #109 MandyManners
I blame Bill Clinton.
I worked with a guy who said Clinton should have been charged with "obstruction of Monica's throat." Heh.
112 | Jetpilot1101 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:47:33am |
re: #109 MandyManners
I blame Bill Clinton.
Good morning. I wish Bill CLinton was president again. At least he attempted to balance the budget.
113 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:48:20am |
Palin takes off to AZ to help McCain:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
PHOENIX — John McCain helped Sarah Palin launch her national political career two years ago. Now, she's trying to help McCain save his. The former running mates will campaign together Friday for the first time since losing the presidential race in 2008.Palin was a first-term governor of Alaska when McCain plucked her from relative obscurity to be his running mate. She went on to become a conservative rock star and a key Republican critic of President Barack Obama and the Democrats in Congress.
McCain is fighting for his political life. Fending off a primary challenge from the right, the four-term Arizona senator is facing the toughest re-election campaign of his Senate career.
114 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:48:29am |
re: #110 thedopefishlives
Y'know, as much as I despise the man, this is one guilt trip I really can't lay on him. I think his casual attitude toward sexual acts was more a reflection of the trend than a cause of it.
I think what Mandy is referring to is at the time the argument was that oral sex isn't really "sex"
115 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:49:00am |
re: #112 Jetpilot1101
Good morning. I wish Bill CLinton was president again. At least he attempted to balance the budget.
I wish Newt were still speaker of the house for the same reason!
116 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:49:27am |
re: #114 sattv4u2
I think what Mandy is referring to is at the time the argument was that oral sex isn't really "sex"
Which ties into what I said below, if you think about it.
117 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:49:59am |
BTW, I cannot wait for the Palin show on TLC. It's going to be a weekly head explosion for the haters. It's going to be fun to watch.
119 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:50:50am |
New York City police believe that drug-gang hit man Hector Quinones, 44, shot three men to death in a high-rise apartment in December, but allowed a woman in the apartment to escape when he tripped on his own baggy pants while chasing her. As police arrived, Quinones climbed out onto the fire escape but accidentally fell off and broke his neck. [New York Daily News, 12-19-09]
well ,,,at least he was stylin' !!
120 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:51:10am |
121 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:51:54am |
re: #119 sattv4u2
He should have been dressed for his age. Fashion no-no's are deadly.
122 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:51:56am |
re: #116 thedopefishlives
Which ties into what I said below, if you think about it.
Not really,,, He was more the horse, not the cart
123 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:52:43am |
re: #110 thedopefishlives
Y'know, as much as I despise the man, this is one guilt trip I really can't lay on him. I think his casual attitude toward sexual acts was more a reflection of the trend than a cause of it.
His statement that he didn't have sex with that woman certainly enshrined that notion.
125 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:53:19am |
A 36-year-old man drowned in Denville, N.J., in January during a friendly swimming competition with a pal, as they raced underneath a 30-yard long ice patch on partially frozen Indian Lake. [WINS Radio-AP, 1-4-10]
Darwin Award nominee
126 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:54:00am |
re: #112 Jetpilot1101
Good morning. I wish Bill CLinton was president again. At least he attempted to balance the budget.
Thank the Contract for America for that.
127 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:54:30am |
re: #117 RogueOne
BTW, I cannot wait for the Palin show on TLC. It's going to be a weekly head explosion for the haters. It's going to be fun to watch.
What?
128 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:55:40am |
re: #123 MandyManners
His statement that he didn't have sex with that woman certainly enshrined that notion.
No disagreement there, for certain.
129 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:55:49am |
re: #127 MandyManners
What?
She's going to have a reality show on TLC that starts later this year. Something about life in Alaska.
130 | Jetpilot1101 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:56:33am |
re: #126 MandyManners
Thank the Contract for America for that.
Good point. Do you suppose we might be able to get another one in November and have the politicians actually stick with it this time? As we drift closer to an entitlement state, my fear is that those wo suck off the government teat will continue to turn out in force and vote against any sensible politician who tries to balance the budget by cutting entitlements. Case in point: Sarkozy in France.
131 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:56:41am |
re: #129 RogueOne
She's going to have a reality show on TLC that starts later this year. Something about life in Alaska.
Will it be titled "How to kill Moose and Squirrel?"
/
132 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:57:29am |
Jesse James and the tattoo'd whore part 2:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Jesse James' ex-wife just gave an interview claiming he is a chronic cheater, and now another alleged mistress tells Star magazine that she and Jesse had a two-year relationship while he and Sandra Bullock were married.Like Michelle McGee, the second mistress, Melissa Smith, is a stripper covered in tattoos and she met Jesse online and ended up having lots of unprotected and crazy sex with him. She was also jailed last year for beating up a cop and arrested for DUI.
133 | laZardo Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:57:39am |
re: #131 Cannadian Club Akbar
Will it be titled "How to kill Moose and Squirrel?"
/
On this week's episode, Sarah shows a greenhorn how to jump from a helicopter for a HALO knife attack on an unsuspecting pack of wolves.
134 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:58:20am |
re: #131 Cannadian Club Akbar
Will it be titled "How to kill Moose and Squirrel?"
/
No but you should send them an email to submit that title. It would definitely add to the humor level.
135 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 4:59:33am |
re: #128 thedopefishlives
No disagreement there, for certain.
One could say he erected a monument to oral sex not being sex.
136 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:00:09am |
re: #129 RogueOne
She's going to have a reality show on TLC that starts later this year. Something about life in Alaska.
Will she kill and dress something?
137 | Jetpilot1101 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:00:25am |
Look Mr. President, one of the worlds last surviving dinosaur communists with a really great medical system is your biggest fan. The Studebaker has been used as an ambulane for years
138 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:00:33am |
re: #130 Jetpilot1101
We have become a "Where's mine?" populous.
139 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:00:43am |
re: #130 Jetpilot1101
Good point. Do you suppose we might be able to get another one in November and have the politicians actually stick with it this time? As we drift closer to an entitlement state, my fear is that those wo suck off the government teat will continue to turn out in force and vote against any sensible politician who tries to balance the budget by cutting entitlements. Case in point: Sarkozy in France.
We need to get some FisCon Republicans in there.
140 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:01:13am |
re: #132 RogueOne
Jesse James and the tattoo'd whore part 2:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Why isn't James the "whore"?
141 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:01:16am |
142 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:01:30am |
143 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:01:50am |
144 | Jetpilot1101 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:02:11am |
re: #139 MandyManners
We need to get some FisCon Republicans in there.
Ms. Mandy, I would settle for FisCon democrats but I'm unsure if any actually exist.
145 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:02:21am |
re: #143 Cannadian Club Akbar
Not a bad guess..
146 | AK-47% Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:02:27am |
re: #99 MandyManners
Was just listening to a BBC report on Hindu moral policemen who regularly harass and threaten interreligious couples, especially Musdlim males with Hindu girlfriends, accusing the men of stealing the women away from Hinduism by using the "love Jihad"
Love Jihad? Does that involve doing it five times a day while facing Mecca?
148 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:02:45am |
re: #131 Cannadian Club Akbar
Will it be titled "How to kill Moose and Squirrel?"
/
Run, Bullwinkle! Run, Rocky!
149 | laZardo Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:02:55am |
re: #137 Jetpilot1101
On the one hand, Cuba was ranked 39th in the same repeatedly-quoted World Health Organization survey where the US ranked 37th.
On the other hand, I hope the embargo does get lifted so the classic car collector commandos can drop in and liberate all those poor 1950s gems that are somehow still running.
151 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:03:13am |
re: #137 Jetpilot1101
Look Mr. President, one of the worlds last surviving dinosaur communists with a really great medical system is your biggest fan. The Studebaker has been used as an ambulane for years
ZING!!!
152 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:03:45am |
153 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:04:06am |
re: #149 laZardo
Just hard for me to swallow the 37th in the world stuff. I'm sorry. Just can't swallow it.
154 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:04:13am |
re: #144 Jetpilot1101
Ms. Mandy, I would settle for FisCon democrats but I'm unsure if any actually exist.
They're probably scared by San Fran Nan.
155 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:04:54am |
re: #146 ralphieboy
Was just listening to a BBC report on Hindu moral policemen who regularly harass and threaten interreligious couples, especially Musdlim males with Hindu girlfriends, accusing the men of stealing the women away from Hinduism by using the "love Jihad"
Love Jihad? Does that involve doing it five times a day while facing Mecca?
Or, a splodey-dope hoping for his 72 virgins.
156 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:05:10am |
re: #153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Just hard for me to swallow the 37th in the world stuff. I'm sorry. Just can't swallow it.
Please don't talk about swallowing when Mandy's going on with the oral sex puns.
157 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:05:18am |
re: #149 laZardo
On the one hand, Cuba was ranked 39th in the same repeatedly-quoted World Health Organization survey where the US ranked 37th.
On the other hand, I hope the embargo does get lifted so the classic car collector commandos can drop in and liberate all those poor 1950s gems that are somehow still running.
NO WAY ,,, as long as they are confined to that island, my 57' Chevy Bel Air is worth more here! You release theirs and all of a sudden mines not as rare!!!
158 | AK-47% Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:06:09am |
re: #157 sattv4u2
NO WAY ,,, as long as they are confined to that island, my 57' Chevy Bel Air is worth more here! You release theirs and all of a sudden mines not as rare!!!
Now we know who is agaist ending the Cuban embargo: classic car collectors!
159 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:06:10am |
re: #153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Just hard for me to swallow the 37th in the world stuff. I'm sorry. Just can't swallow it.
Spit?
*paging Dr. Freud*
160 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:06:43am |
re: #156 thedopefishlives
Please don't talk about swallowing when Mandy's going on with the oral sex puns.
D*MTA.
(*Dirty)
162 | AK-47% Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:07:31am |
re: #159 MandyManners
I was waiting for Bill to get up with a diagram of a baseball diamond and explain in specific detail just what is meant by first, second and third base, respectively, and how although he rounded third, he never slid in at home base, and therefore it was still just "heavy petting", which is not the same as S-e-x.
163 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:08:10am |
re: #158 ralphieboy
Now we know who is agaist ending the Cuban embargo: classic car collectors!
Damn right!
(although, we do appreciate the occasional car hood that washes ashore passengers and all,, Good hard working wanna be citizens who escaped the asylum ,, ,,, and spare parts, ya know)
164 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:08:19am |
165 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:08:42am |
re: #161 Jetpilot1101
I love mornings on LGF!
Most had a good nights sleep, so we are less cranky.:)
166 | SteveC Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:08:48am |
Good, morning LGF!
First things first, Congratulations to my friend Anthony! He received a heart transplant one year ago today! (1 year ago last night, actually)
365 days and NO SIGNS OF REJECTION!
*Throws confetti*
167 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:08:48am |
re: #164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Speaking of Oral sex...
168 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:10:03am |
re: #160 MandyManners
D*MTA.
(*Dirty)
My cousin, in our youth, approaching girls at a club
HIM
"wanna dance?"
HER
"no, thank you"
HIM
"then I guess a BJ is out of the question"
169 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:10:04am |
re: #166 SteveC
Good for him!! Now settle down. Don't get him riled up!!
170 | AK-47% Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:10:18am |
re: #163 sattv4u2
They don't just wash up, this guy converted at 1947 buick into a boat-car...
171 | laZardo Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:10:29am |
re: #157 sattv4u2
ELITIST. >:I
/I have heard though that the Cubans have also somehow managed to keep them running by giving them transplants from the Soviet cars that often made its way to that island.
172 | AK-47% Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:10:39am |
Sorry, here the link to the boat-car:
[Link: alongthemalecon.blogspot.com...]
174 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:10:53am |
re: #168 sattv4u2
The balls on that one. Most of the girls I know would've just kicked him in the unmentionables.
175 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:11:02am |
re: #165 Cannadian Club Akbar
Most had a good nights sleep, so we are less cranky.:)
Not me,,,, been at work since 9 last night (it's 8 a.m here now) and I still have two more hours to go !!
WWWHHHHAAAAA
176 | SteveC Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:11:24am |
re: #162 ralphieboy
I was waiting for Bill to get up with a diagram of a baseball diamond and explain in specific detail just what is meant by first, second and third base, respectively, and how although he rounded third, he never slid in at home base, and therefore it was still just "heavy petting", which is not the same as S-e-x.
Rounding third
and heading for home
it's a brown eyed handsome man
*CRACK!*
It's gone and you can tell that one goodbye!
Put me in coach!
I'm ready to play!
177 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:11:42am |
re: #174 thedopefishlives
The balls on that one. Most of the girls I know would've just kicked him in the unmentionables.
heh ,, he got a lot of face slaps,, but I must say, he also got a lot of bj's!
179 | laZardo Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:13:28am |
re: #153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Just hard for me to swallow the 37th in the world stuff. I'm sorry. Just can't swallow it.
It's okay to spit it out. Many of the countries in the top 10-20 are actually quite small.
180 | garhighway Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:13:44am |
re: #40 RogueOne
8 years of reagan the left acted like assholes. 8 years of clinton the right acted like assholes. 8 years of bush and the left acted like assholes. It's obama's turn. I'll take them all seriously right around...never.
"Why do they have to be so meeaan". Boo-Freaking-Hoo.
False equivalence
181 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:14:35am |
re: #179 laZardo
It's okay to spit it out. Many of the countries in the top 10-20 are actually quite small.
I trust the WHO about as much as I trust the UN.
182 | Jetpilot1101 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:16:16am |
re: #170 ralphieboy
They don't just wash up, this guy converted at 1947 buick into a boat-car...
The man who built the boat car should be a US citizen by now. Even though he never made it feet dry, we didn't send him back to Cuba because the wonderful government there was going to throw him in jail for a long time. There was a deal worked out wherein he was able to live in a South American country until his citizenship was finalized. He was flown to the Bahamas and then to the country. I was the pilot.
183 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:16:42am |
re: #181 Cannadian Club Akbar
I trust the WHO about as much as I trust the UN.
No way! Pete is a stand-up guy, and so is Roger.
184 | SteveC Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:18:04am |
re: #181 Cannadian Club Akbar
I trust the WHO about as much as I trust the UN.
Not to wish Ill on anyone - even the UN - but the UN Drug agency in Brasilia Has shut down
The office of the UN Drugs and Crime agency in Brasilia has had to suspend operations today because of dengue. Six of its 20 officials have shown symptoms of the illness over the last ten days.
185 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:18:27am |
Gotta go aggravate some real world peeps.
Laters Gators.
187 | SteveC Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:20:13am |
re: #183 Spare O'Lake
No way! Pete is a stand-up guy, and so is Roger.
If we don't trust them, all the versions of CSI will go off the air!
188 | laZardo Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:22:36am |
re: #187 SteveC
If we don't trust them, all the versions of CSI will go off the air!
And that's what I would call...
[sunglasses]
189 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:24:13am |
Jimmy Carter is a Dbag.
[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]
190 | Jetpilot1101 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:25:31am |
re: #189 Cannadian Club Akbar
Jimmy Carter is a Dbag.
[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]
I would really like to see Charles make that a featured story but I won't hold my breath.
191 | laZardo Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:26:11am |
re: #189 Cannadian Club Akbar
He looks really pissy in that photo.
192 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:26:45am |
re: #180 garhighway
False equivalence
How do you figure? What's "false" about the party out of power acts like buttholes? Do you have any evidence to the contrary?
193 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:27:42am |
re: #189 Cannadian Club Akbar
Jimmy Carter is a Dbag.
[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]
He (Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh)urged Carter to pressure Israel to lift the security blockade which was imposed on Gaza’s border crossings to prevent weapons smuggling.
because ,, like , you know ,,,, we need the weapons that aren't getting smuggled in through
194 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:30:41am |
Jimmy Carter is a Dbag.
[Link: www.koreatimes.co.kr...]
195 | garhighway Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:31:08am |
OT Good News: Silverstein and the Port Authority have made a deal, so we'll see some more buildings go up at the WTC site.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
196 | laZardo Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:32:19am |
re: #195 garhighway
Thanks to the money they received by planning the inside job insurance fraud!
///read in Alex Jones' accent. Always makes me chuckle.
197 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:32:27am |
198 | Jetpilot1101 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:32:52am |
re: #194 Cannadian Club Akbar
Jimmy Carter is a Dbag.
[Link: www.koreatimes.co.kr...]
He has always been an inept dbag. I bump him into my dnozzle catagory.
199 | stayfrosty Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:33:13am |
The Democrats continue to take political advantage of reports of Republican vandalism and threats, with the head of the Obama campaign organization, Mitch Stewart, referring to the incident at Tom Perriello's brother's house in a fundraising appeal.
He writes:
"A conservative blogger posted the home address of Congressman Tom Perriello, urging tea partiers to "drop by." Other members have had death threats. Democratic offices have been vandalized.
Please chip in $5 or more to defend health reform -- and those in Congress who fought to make it possible."
(snip)
The threats are real, so no problem here, right?
200 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:34:14am |
re: #199 stayfrosty
The threats are real, so no problem here, right?
Who here has supported any threats?
201 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:34:22am |
re: #196 laZardo
Thanks to the money they received by planning the inside job insurance fraud!
///read in Alex Jones' accent. Always makes me chuckle.
I love conspiracy theorists sometimes. They're almost always good for a laugh, especially when you get them all flustered because you've managed to prove them wrong on every point, and yet they KNOW they're right and there's got to be SOME flaw with your logic. (Here's a hint: There isn't.)
203 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:35:11am |
re: #201 thedopefishlives
I love conspiracy theorists sometimes. They're almost always good for a laugh, especially when you get them all flustered because you've managed to prove them wrong on every point, and yet they KNOW they're right and there's got to be SOME flaw with your logic. (Here's a hint: There isn't.)
Like the guys who made Loose Change vs. Popular Mechanics.
204 | stayfrosty Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:35:31am |
re: #200 Cannadian Club Akbar
Who here has supported any threats?
I'm referring to the fundraising, not the threats..
205 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:35:44am |
re: #198 Jetpilot1101
He has always been an inept dbag. I bump him into my dnozzle catagory.
Actually, I do give him props for the Israeli/ Egypt deal
That stated, he has to come to the realization that the Palis are way different than the Egyptians
206 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:36:06am |
re: #203 Cannadian Club Akbar
Like the guys who made Loose Change vs. Popular Mechanics.
The fun thing about conspiracy nuts is, after you've thoroughly debunked every talking point they've got, they go right back to the beginning as if you'd never debunked any of it. It's like riding a giant merry-go-round, really.
207 | laZardo Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:36:09am |
re: #201 thedopefishlives
I found Ron Paul an amusing sideshow when regular politics got boring.
Then he went mainstream.
/ >:%P%
208 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:36:18am |
re: #204 stayfrosty
I'm referring to the fundraising, not the threats..
There were 2 ways to take the statement. I realized that after I posted.
209 | Jetpilot1101 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:36:28am |
210 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:37:06am |
re: #180 garhighway
False equivalence
I'm still waiting for you to explain how my statement equates to a false equivalence. The reason I ask is I keep seeing you use that phrase but I don't think it means what you think it means. It isn't part of the skeptics guide:
[Link: www.theskepticsguide.org...]
so maybe you have a different view of reality than I do, which is certainly possible.
212 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:37:18am |
re: #204 stayfrosty
I'm referring to the fundraising, not the threats..
Well then, I don't support fund raising for dems!!
//(sorta))
213 | cliffster Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:37:42am |
re: #195 garhighway
OT Good News: Silverstein and the Port Authority have made a deal, so we'll see some more buildings go up at the WTC site.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Yeah, but I want to see a 580 story skyscraper there. When are they building that?
214 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:39:06am |
re: #213 cliffster
Yeah, but I want to see a 580 story skyscraper there. When are they building that?
In this economy no one is building a skyscraper. The biggest buildings going up are Taco Bells.
215 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:40:09am |
re: #214 RogueOne
In this economy no one is building a skyscraper. The biggest buildings going up are Taco Bells.
Now you're making me hungry. >.>
216 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:40:19am |
re: #214 RogueOne
In this economy no one is building a skyscraper. The biggest buildings going up are Taco Bells.
heh ,,,, come to Atlanta ,,
The CDC is finishing up yet another building here
217 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:40:37am |
218 | SteveC Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:41:06am |
re: #214 RogueOne
In this economy no one is building a skyscraper. The biggest buildings going up are Taco Bells.
"We're going to Taco Bell?"
"Taco Bell won the Franchise Wars, John Spartan. Now all restaurants are Taco Bell."
219 | cliffster Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:42:14am |
re: #214 RogueOne
In this economy no one is building a skyscraper. The biggest buildings going up are Taco Bells.
You want a double decker supreme? That's on the 35th floor.
220 | laZardo Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:42:14am |
re: #214 RogueOne
In this economy no one is building a skyscraper. The biggest buildings going up are Taco Bells.
Funny thing is, they just introduced Taco Bell over here. I suspect the meat quality might actually be better than the ones in the States.
221 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:42:46am |
re: #220 laZardo
Funny thing is, they just introduced Taco Bell over here. I suspect the meat quality might actually be better than the ones in the States.
Whoa!! They use actual meat?
222 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:42:53am |
re: #218 SteveC
"We're going to Taco Bell?"
"Taco Bell won the Franchise Wars, John Spartan. Now all restaurants are Taco Bell."
Updinged for the reference to one of my favorite Sylvester Stallone movies.
223 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:43:54am |
re: #220 laZardo
Funny thing is, they just introduced Taco Bell over here. I suspect the meat quality might actually be better than the ones in the States.
224 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:44:08am |
re: #222 thedopefishlives
Updinged for the reference to one of my favorite Sylvester Stallone movies.
There was only one worthy Sly movie ,, and that was in larger part thanks to Burgess Meredith!
225 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:44:43am |
re: #140 MandyManners
Why isn't James the "whore"?
Ha! I just noticed you down-dinged me for that comment like I was saying something bad about sluts. I'd never say anything bad about loose women. Any man who doesn't like sluts hasn't thought it through.
226 | SteveC Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:44:57am |
re: #222 thedopefishlives
Updinged for the reference to one of my favorite Sylvester Stallone movies.
You just like Sandra Bullock in tights!
//No problem with that, so do I!
227 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:46:07am |
Snow again... later today, tonight and tomorrow, 6-8 inches, on top of the 14 inches we have, snow, snow, snow...
228 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:46:43am |
re: #227 Walter L. Newton
Snow again... later today, tonight and tomorrow, 6-8 inches, on top of the 14 inches we have, snow, snow, snow...
Morning Walter
Did you get your supermarket call yesterday?
229 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:46:57am |
re: #226 SteveC
You just like Sandra Bullock in tights!
//No problem with that, so do I!
Don't say that too loud, the Mrs. Fish will hear.
/Hey, she has a crush on Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, she can let me have my fantasies too
230 | Decatur Deb Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:47:51am |
re: #209 Jetpilot1101
No one regardless of party.
Just walked in on this exchange. In my lurker year, I saw many LGF arguments that had nothing to do with politics, just the ambiguous nature of English. The "here" could easily be meant or taken as "in this situation" or "on LGF". Some of the battles got nasty.
Morning all. Is the rat still dead?
231 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:48:11am |
re: #229 thedopefishlives
Don't say that too loud, the Mrs. Fish will hear.
/Hey, she has a crush on Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, she can let me have my fantasies too
(((old married couple after a round of sex))
"That was great,,, who were YOU thinking of !?!?!"
232 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:48:56am |
re: #230 Decatur Deb
Just walked in on this exchange. In my lurker year, I saw many LGF arguments that had nothing to do with politics, just the ambiguous nature of English. The "here" could easily be meant or taken as "in this situation" or "on LGF". Some of the battles got nasty.
Morning all. Is the rat still dead?
I think it was run over with a car. So, I'm betting yes.
233 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:49:59am |
Is the site "Classical Values" on the ok list? I ask because they have a good post on sheriff Joe that was linked to from another site that I'd like the self-professed republicans to read.
234 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:50:21am |
re: #228 sattv4u2
Morning Walter
Did you get your supermarket call yesterday?
I made the call. So, next Wed. and Thurs. I go in for two days of computer based training, and then the week after, they assign me to someone to shadow. Yes, I got the cashier job. Twenty hours a week minimum, more than 2 dollars over minimum wage, it will financially take care of my obligations for now, probably won't be saving much for any trips to Europe. And I probably will not see a first paycheck for a month.
235 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:51:01am |
re: #234 Walter L. Newton
Congratulations! That's wonderful news.
236 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:51:14am |
re: #230 Decatur Deb
Just walked in on this exchange. In my lurker year, I saw many LGF arguments that had nothing to do with politics, just the ambiguous nature of English. The "here" could easily be meant or taken as "in this situation" or "on LGF". Some of the battles got nasty.
Morning all. Is the rat still dead?
I always love it when the typo/ spelling police are out.
Like if I fat finger a word, that negates my ENTIRE argument
"you're wrong because you put a "E" at the end of potato"
237 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:51:15am |
re: #231 sattv4u2
(((old married couple after a round of sex))
"That was great,,, who were YOU thinking of !?!?!"
A woman gets up from her chair, walks over and slaps her husband. He says, "What was that for?" She says, "For 20 years of bad sex." She sits down and the husband walks over and slaps her. She says, "What was that for?" He said, "For knowing the difference!"
238 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:52:13am |
re: #234 Walter L. Newton
I made the call. So, next Wed. and Thurs. I go in for two days of computer based training, and then the week after, they assign me to someone to shadow. Yes, I got the cashier job. Twenty hours a week minimum, more than 2 dollars over minimum wage, it will financially take care of my obligations for now, probably won't be saving much for any trips to Europe. And I probably will not see a first paycheck for a month.
It's a step,, and as you stated, it will afford you enough time to keep looking while at the same time bringing in a few bucks
239 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:53:42am |
re: #230 Decatur Deb
Morning all. Is the rat still dead?
You'll have to be more specific ,, WHICH rat !?!?!
//
240 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:54:05am |
re: #235 thedopefishlives
Congratulations! That's wonderful news.
Thanks... I'm still going to continue (like I have been doing for 5 years) looking for a full time (or long term contract) programming job. Programming is what I do best, I literally get "high" when I'm into a really complex and challenging programming project.
241 | Decatur Deb Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:55:07am |
re: #239 sattv4u2
Morning all. Is the rat still dead?
You'll have to be more specific ,, WHICH rat !?!?!
//
We were talking about fascism and the Generalissimo, right?
242 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:55:22am |
re: #238 sattv4u2
It's a step,, and as you stated, it will afford you enough time to keep looking while at the same time bringing in a few bucks
Right... and I can hone my "stand up cashier" routines.
243 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:55:50am |
re: #242 Walter L. Newton
Right... and I can hone my "stand up cashier" routines.
You're a horney stand up cashier!?!?
244 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:56:32am |
245 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:57:53am |
re: #234 Walter L. Newton
I made the call. So, next Wed. and Thurs. I go in for two days of computer based training, and then the week after, they assign me to someone to shadow. Yes, I got the cashier job. .....
Congrats Walter.
246 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:58:12am |
re: #240 Walter L. Newton
Thanks... I'm still going to continue (like I have been doing for 5 years) looking for a full time (or long term contract) programming job. Programming is what I do best, I literally get "high" when I'm into a really complex and challenging programming project.
I'm a lot like that myself. I'm one of those types that is motivated by the thrill of the challenge, I'm very competitive and very driven by difficult solutions. It's actually become somewhat of a problem here at work, because 99% of my job is mindless drudgery pseudo-programming, and I have a bad tendency to be lackadaisical when I'm not engaged in the project at hand.
247 | Decatur Deb Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:59:52am |
re: #234 Walter L. Newton
Sounds like a step up from the thrift store, since the cost of the commute are less, IIRC.
248 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:59:53am |
re: #246 thedopefishlives
I have a bad tendency to be lackadaisical when I'm not engaged in the project at hand.
We're talking work, right? Not self ,, umm,,,, errr ,, nevahmind!!
249 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:02:47am |
re: #247 Decatur Deb
Sounds like a step up from the thrift store, since the cost of the commute are less, IIRC.
Plus scanning a can of peas is a lot less physical than schlepping (Walters description) large pieces of furniture
251 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:03:15am |
My radio just said the gubment is gonna start converting bank mortgages to FHA loans. 14 billion dollars worth. Hmm.
252 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:03:52am |
re: #251 Cannadian Club Akbar
My radio just said the gubment is gonna start converting bank mortgages to FHA loans. 14 billion dollars worth. Hmm.
Your radio is smart. It knows EVERYTHING.
253 | Dante41 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:04:31am |
re: #236 sattv4u2
I always love it when the typo/ spelling police are out.
Like if I fat finger a word, that negates my ENTIRE argument
"you're wrong because you put a "E" at the end of potato"
"I see you have made three spelling mistakes."
/first one of ya who get that gets a cookie
Also: Mornin' lizards.
254 | McSpiff Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:04:37am |
re: #75 sattv4u2
I used to love that. I responded by saying "so your party got it's ass handed to them by a senile old fogie, huh?"
((used a slightly altered version when the Bush is an idiot crowd emerged))
"So you party lost not once, but TWICE to a complete idiot,,fascinating!!""
I'm a leftie and I still get a kick out of the whole "Bush was the world's stupidest evil genius" meme. Hint to people on both (all?) sides of the aisle: You don't coast your way to becoming POTUS, it takes brains.
I'm just glad we've moved beyond the whole 'the VP is the puppet master' thing.
255 | cliffster Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:04:53am |
re: #249 sattv4u2
Plus scanning a can of peas is a lot less physical than schlepping (Walters description) large pieces of furniture
Yeah but people buy stuff like deer corn and water softener salt. That stuff is heavy
256 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:04:56am |
re: #246 thedopefishlives
I'm a lot like that myself. I'm one of those types that is motivated by the thrill of the challenge, I'm very competitive and very driven by difficult solutions. It's actually become somewhat of a problem here at work, because 99% of my job is mindless drudgery pseudo-programming, and I have a bad tendency to be lackadaisical when I'm not engaged in the project at hand.
I've mentioned this before, I do have one small off and on programming project for Kaiser. Well, I should say I work for a person who works for a consulting firm that does work for Kaiser.
Two years ago I designed a application that takes patient visits at a Kaiser location and selects certain patients for a survey. Different departments, different surveys, different doctors, different quotas of surveys for different departments, certain rules for who does/doesn't get surveys and so on.
So, off and on I do maintenance on the system, or make modifications, just did about 6 hours work this week, so, that drops an occasional penny in my bank.
I'm not bragging, but I'm really good at what I know how to do, and I can't understand why I can't pop a full time job programming? I have over 50 resumes out just this year. No one single reply, not even a "not interested."
258 | cliffster Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:06:36am |
re: #254 McSpiff
I'm just glad we've moved beyond the whole 'the VP is the puppet master' thing.
That ended, totally and completely, during the Bush #1 admin.
259 | Decatur Deb Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:06:45am |
re: #251 Cannadian Club Akbar
My radio just said the gubment is gonna start converting bank mortgages to FHA loans. 14 billion dollars worth. Hmm.
Was this the good radio, that said this will give some people time to get their heads above water, or was it the bad radio, that says it's just another plunge into the depths of government takeover of 1/327th of the economy?
260 | Dante41 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:06:52am |
re: #255 cliffster
Yeah but people buy stuff like deer corn and water softener salt. That stuff is heavy
True. That is why the hand scanner is so useful.
And because I forgot about in the first pos:, congrats Walter. Always good to have a way to put food on the table when the passion isn't in high demand.
261 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:06:56am |
re: #254 McSpiff
I'm just glad we've moved beyond the whole 'the VP is the puppet master' thing.
I appreciate your candor, but no we haven't. To this day I still hear how Cheney/ Rove really ran things and Bush was just a silver spoon born/ party boy moron
262 | SteveC Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:07:37am |
263 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:08:11am |
re: #247 Decatur Deb
Sounds like a step up from the thrift store, since the cost of the commute are less, IIRC.
re: #250 cliffster
congrats, walter
Thanks.
Yes, the commute is under 4 miles from here, and even in a snow storm, it's not that hard to get to (won't have to worry about snow too much longer). And it's not a mom and pop, it's one of the Kroger family of stores.
I'll have fun, I like to work, I like people and I always find it interesting to be doing something new, I love new, it's like a drug, I'm not afraid of new.
264 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:08:12am |
re: #255 cliffster
Yeah but people buy stuff like deer corn and water softener salt. That stuff is heavy
I buy deer corn and they usually just leave it in the shopping cart and use a portable scanner
265 | Decatur Deb Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:08:13am |
re: #254 McSpiff
...snip
I'm just glad we've moved beyond the whole 'the VP is the puppet master' thing.
I think VP Biden put that to rest.
266 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:08:22am |
267 | McSpiff Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:08:35am |
re: #261 sattv4u2
I'm just glad we've moved beyond the whole 'the VP is the puppet master' thing.
I appreciate your candor, but no we haven't. To this day I still hear how Cheney/ Rove really ran things and Bush was just a silver spoon born/ party boy moron
re: #258 cliffster
That ended, totally and completely, during the Bush #1 admin.
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I more meant I'm really glad I don't need to listen to 'Biden is teh evil genius!' this time. I really, really don't think I could handle that... At least Cheney had the brains for it!
268 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:08:38am |
re: #259 Decatur Deb
Was this the good radio, that said this will give some people time to get their heads above water, or was it the bad radio, that says it's just another plunge into the depths of government takeover of 1/327th of the economy?
Not sure yet. I need to consult my lamp.
/
269 | laZardo Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:08:50am |
re: #265 Decatur Deb
I think VP Biden put that to rest.
Though Bidenisms just aren't as funny as Bushisms.
/and at least Bush could laugh at his own "misunderestimations."
270 | cliffster Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:09:15am |
re: #264 sattv4u2
I buy deer corn and they usually just leave it in the shopping cart and use a portable scanner
Portable scanners - wow technology has come a long ways since I was doing that.
271 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:09:38am |
re: #267 McSpiff
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I more meant I'm really glad I don't need to listen to 'Biden is teh evil genius!' this time. I really, really don't think I could handle that... At least Cheney had the brains for it!
K ,, thanks for the clarification
273 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:10:16am |
re: #269 laZardo
Though Bidenisms just aren't as funny as Bushisms.
/and at least Bush could laugh at his own "misunderestimations."
You missed the Morning Joe's top 10 biden gaffe list this morning. It was pretty funny.
275 | cliffster Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:11:41am |
re: #263 Walter L. Newton
I'll have fun, I like to work, I like people and I always find it interesting to be doing something new, I love new, it's like a drug, I'm not afraid of new.
I used to do that. It's a fun job, especially if you like people. I actually got regulars. They'd go to my stand instead of others with a shorter line. I'm less of an asshole in real life.
276 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:11:42am |
re: #274 laZardo
/or lack thereof. :D
whaddya mean, "lack"
he got the guy square in the face! BULLSEYE!
277 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:12:19am |
re: #256 Walter L. Newton
Maybe one reason is that people for years have been telling the smart kids to eschew medical school and law school with a preference for learning the "Arts of Nerdship".
There are a trillion (really. no exaggeration) keyboard carrying Wyatt Earps out there with PHDs.
Just a guess on my part. I know a brilliant kid who went to Ga Tech... got his masters in "Nerd-dom". Manages a Kroger now, IIRC.
278 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:12:29am |
re: #275 cliffster
I used to do that. It's a fun job, especially if you like people. I actually got regulars. They'd go to my stand instead of others with a shorter line. I'm less of an asshole in real life.
Thats not what you wife told us!
(sorry ,, you threw the softball!!))
279 | cliffster Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:12:46am |
re: #274 laZardo
ahhhh.. those "someone getting shot in the face" jokes. Always a riot ;)
281 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:14:26am |
re: #280 cliffster
Hanging curveball...
Well we are only in spring training. I'm sure you'll bring the heater when the regular season starts
283 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:15:31am |
re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
heh. A Mighty Wind.
DVR'd.
oh ,, at 1st I thought you had beans for breakfast
284 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:15:41am |
re: #213 cliffster
Yeah, but I want to see a 580 story skyscraper there. When are they building that?
I heard that Target wanted to sponsor the new building, but got turned down.
285 | Decatur Deb Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:16:37am |
re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
heh. A Mighty Wind.
DVR'd.
Great little movie--it failed to be nasty.
286 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:16:44am |
re: #284 oaktree
I heard that Target wanted to sponsor the new building, but got turned down.
I gave you both an upding AND a downding for that ,, (and i'm starting to regret the upper!)
288 | cliffster Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:17:24am |
re: #284 oaktree
I heard that Target wanted to sponsor the new building, but got turned down.
That was baaaaad
289 | The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:17:25am |
re: #277 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Maybe one reason is that people for years have been telling the smart kids to eschew medical school and law school with a preference for learning the "Arts of Nerdship".
There are a trillion (really. no exaggeration) keyboard carrying Wyatt Earps out there with PHDs.
Just a guess on my part. I know a brilliant kid who went to Ga Tech... got his masters in "Nerd-dom". Manages a Kroger now, IIRC.
There's a bitter spoof somewhere on the web about the metabolism of graduate school. Candidates (and their money) are admitted as raw material. They are converted into low-paid graduate assistants, helping run the system. They are then excreted as unemployable PhDs.
291 | laZardo Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:19:07am |
re: #289 The Sanity Inspector
Makes me thankful I'm graduating into "Snarky Liberal Art Hipsterdom" rather than "General Nerddom." q;
292 | Dante41 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:19:31am |
re: #289 The Sanity Inspector
There's a bitter spoof somewhere on the web about the metabolism of graduate school. Candidates (and their money) are admitted as raw material. They are converted into low-paid graduate assistants, helping run the system. They are then excreted as unemployable PhDs.
Ah, but that is why you get a day job. Hopefully I'll go for a PhD in history, but if I do, my Mate's license will provide an secure avenue for income.
293 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:19:33am |
re: #277 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Maybe one reason is that people for years have been telling the smart kids to eschew medical school and law school with a preference for learning the "Arts of Nerdship".
There are a trillion (really. no exaggeration) keyboard carrying Wyatt Earps out there with PHDs.
Just a guess on my part. I know a brilliant kid who went to Ga Tech... got his masters in "Nerd-dom". Manages a Kroger now, IIRC.
That's certainly part of it. When I started programming, I didn't take any classes, I'm just a high school graduate. I started working at the headquarters of Beneficial Finance in Morristown NJ two days after I graduated high school. I was an office boy, just like in the old 30's movies.
And from there, I learned all about how business operates, and in the late 70's, I was designing printed circuit boards (state of Texas got me that apprenticeship, company trained me) and we designed the first IBM 8088 mother board for IBM.
Got some PC's in house from IBM, and I started learning right from that point on. It wasn't long that I was able to program and design business applications. There was not a lot of us at that time.
But you're right, there are keyboard jockey's all over the place now, they are as disposable as ashtrays. I'm not saying they aren't any good, but what was "mystical profession" is now an everyday thing.
It's a new world, and if you're 57, it's a younger world.
294 | SteveC Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:20:25am |
re: #281 sattv4u2
Well we are only in spring training. I'm sure you'll bring the heater when the regular season starts
"Come on, ump, that was a strike!"
"Son, if Mr. (Ted) Williams didn't swing at it, then it was not a strike."
295 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:20:25am |
re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
heh. A Mighty Wind.
DVR'd.
One of my favorites in that genre is "Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story"
296 | cliffster Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:21:14am |
re: #293 Walter L. Newton
Self-taught programmers are the best, by far. They know how to get shit done.
297 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:22:56am |
re: #295 Walter L. Newton
One of my favorites in that genre is "Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story"
I still haven't seen "Shakes the Clown".
298 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:22:56am |
Good morning Lizards. (And I've gotten the bad/poor taste joke of the day out of my system.)
Rain and cold here in "always sunny" Philadelphia. However, working indoors makes it sort of trivial. Hot coffee and a piece of apple cream pie starts the day out well.
And now back to fire-fighting the morning's various IT issues. Plus starting to pack out the cubicle contents for the office move on Monday. (Changing floors in the same building.)
299 | TDG2112 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:23:26am |
re: #39 RogueOne
Yep, and here is an article in Washington Post how he lost is post at AEI for being critical of GOP:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
BTW, this is the guy who coined the phrase "Axis of Evil" he is no yellow bellied anti-American liberal surrender monkey.
300 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:23:35am |
301 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:24:25am |
re: #292 Dante41
Ah, but that is why you get a day job. Hopefully I'll go for a PhD in history, but if I do, my Mate's license will provide an secure avenue for income.
My son has a BA in European History.
Works in a deli, in a heavy metal band.
Every fucking student loan payment I make pisses me off.
302 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:25:12am |
re: #296 cliffster
Self-taught programmers are the best, by far. They know how to get shit done.
I knew "agile" before they had a word for it. I've solved almost every business "need" there will ever be. Any "new" is just an old problem in a new wrapper, and I've already solved it.
303 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:25:29am |
re: #301 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My son has a BA in European History.
Works in a deli, in a heavy metal band.
Every fucking student loan payment I make pisses me off.
They have heavy metal bands at delis? Cool.
304 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:25:53am |
re: #297 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I still haven't seen "Shakes the Clown".
Get it... and then keep everyone out of the room and don't let anyone you know find out you watched it.
305 | Decatur Deb Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:26:17am |
re: #292 Dante41
Ah, but that is why you get a day job. Hopefully I'll go for a PhD in history, but if I do, my Mate's license will provide an secure avenue for income.
Don't sweat it too much. Life changes fast, and the rate of change seems to be increasing. I'm an antro grad, archeo dropout. Yet I spent a good career working with a guy who had been one of the country's greatest vacuum-tube electronic engineers.
306 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:26:43am |
re: #303 Cannadian Club Akbar
They have heavy metal bands at delis? Cool.
don't bite into the pastrami!
307 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:26:59am |
re: #298 oaktree
Good morning Lizards. (And I've gotten the bad/poor taste joke of the day out of my system.)
Rain and cold here in "always sunny" Philadelphia. However, working indoors makes it sort of trivial. Hot coffee and a piece of apple cream pie starts the day out well.
And now back to fire-fighting the morning's various IT issues. Plus starting to pack out the cubicle contents for the office move on Monday. (Changing floors in the same building.)
I worked for the D.O.E for 13 years. A favorite activity of government agencies is "moves."
308 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:27:13am |
Is there any ruling on the site "classical values"? I flipped through the site and it seems to be a right/libertarianish blog. They have about a thousand linked sites and the only ones that showed a visit from me is LGF, volokh, althouse, Insty, and Balko. It's a great post calling out republicans for their support of Sheriff Joe that I want to share with my republican friends here just in case any of them feel any affinity to the bad sheriff.
309 | Semper Fi Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:27:16am |
Good morning, Lizards
So glad it's friday. Next couple weeks w/family will be nice. Would like to slow the time for that period.
310 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:27:22am |
re: #301 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My son has a BA in European History.
Works in a deli, in a heavy metal band.
Every fucking student loan payment I make pisses me off.
If he's working , why isn't HE paying it off !?!?
311 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:27:45am |
re: #297 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I still haven't seen "Shakes the Clown".
I just gave my DVD of Shakes to my brother to watch. He loved it.
312 | cliffster Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:28:40am |
re: #301 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My son has a BA in European History.
Works in a deli, in a heavy metal band.
Every fucking student loan payment I make pisses me off.
Do they not teach you how to write a check in European History?
313 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:29:13am |
re: #303 Cannadian Club Akbar
His band is touring like hell... for little money... for "The Art".
He's a great metal guitarist (I'm his dad, give it to me), but I can't believe I went through what I went through to get him through college.
Love the boy to death, but he needs a girlfriend to "serious him up" a bit.
314 | Dante41 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:29:36am |
re: #301 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My son has a BA in European History.
Works in a deli, in a heavy metal band.
Every fucking student loan payment I make pisses me off.
Heh. Look on the bright side: he could be working in a Hipster alt-rock band instead.
But seriously, as much as my history prof wants me to be a full-time historian, my dream has always been to sail the ocean blue. Ain't nothing gonna change that.
re: #305 Decatur Deb
Don't sweat it too much. Life changes fast, and the rate of change seems to be increasing. I'm an antro grad, archeo dropout. Yet I spent a good career working with a guy who had been one of the country's greatest vacuum-tube electronic engineers.
I'm not. The Mate's License would be the primary source of income because it is what I really want to do. The PhD in history has always been considered the backburner piece.
315 | SteveC Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:30:32am |
re: #301 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My son has a BA in European History.
Works in a deli, in a heavy metal band.
Every fucking student loan payment I make pisses me off.
PoliSci/History double major. Hated math with a White hot passion.
Now I keep the books for a hunting store!
316 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:30:41am |
317 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:31:06am |
re: #299 TDG2112
Yep, and here is an article in Washington Post how he lost is post at AEI for being critical of GOP:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
BTW, this is the guy who coined the phrase "Axis of Evil" he is no yellow bellied anti-American liberal surrender monkey.
According to frum in your link:
In a brief interview, Frum said "there was no suggestion by AEI" that his sharp criticism of the GOP's health-care strategy was the reason for his dismissal. He declined to say what Brooks told him.
I don't know one way or the other, that's why I posted 2 links. One of which was pro "he got fired for not towing the line" and the other one a "con" version of the same argument.
318 | ryannon Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:31:07am |
re: #1 Shiplord Kirel
Yikes!
SoCal teacher arrested in alleged drunken teachingCheck out the booking photo.
My high school current events teacher was addicted to valium. She would show movies every day and nod off to sleep while they were running. The administrators apparently feel that this was dangerous although it wasn't conducive to a good learning environment to say the least.
Back in grammar school in Chicago when I was a kid, we had a science teacher who used to make it through the day by brown-bagging bottles of paregoric. The poor woman finally cracked up in class and since she was near retirement.... Anyway, we never saw her again. The general atmosphere in and out of school (weapons circulating from hand to hand, rackets and gang wars) was far more dangerous than this sad and harmless science teacher who had clearly reached the end of her rope in a 'Blackboard Jungle' environment. Poor woman.
319 | laZardo Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:31:21am |
re: #313 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Love the boy to death, but he needs
a girlfriend to "serious him up" a bit.roadies.
/The Metal needs fuel.
320 | Decatur Deb Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:31:28am |
321 | cliffster Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:31:46am |
322 | SteveC Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:32:08am |
re: #313 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
His band is touring like hell... for little money... for "The Art".
He's a great metal guitarist (I'm his dad, give it to me), but I can't believe I went through what I went through to get him through college.
Love the boy to death, but he needs a girlfriend to "serious him up" a bit.
A man looking to get his son laid! Why aren't we related?!?!
323 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:33:07am |
324 | Dante41 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:33:14am |
re: #317 RogueOne
I don't know one way or the other, that's why I posted 2 links. One of which was pro "he got fired for not towing the line" and the other one a "con" version of the same argument.
The one I heard was that he was invited to continue work for them, for free. Methinks that a respected speech writer doesn't get a missive like that for nothing.
325 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:35:27am |
326 | Obdicut Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:35:50am |
re: #313 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Both of my brothers and I didn't really find what we loved and excelled at until our late twenties. College wasn't that useful to me-- or rather, I wasn't smart or mature enough back in college to properly take advantage of it. But after a few years of noodling around, I was able to start building a really good career for myself.
One of my brothers, now that I think of it, was a history major. He went back to school to learn animal wildlife management, and now he does cool stuff like crawling into the dens of mother bears to traquilize them and gather data. He's publishing like mad and happy as a clam.
My other brother did philosophy, I think, and then in his late twenties went back to school, got a teaching certificate, and became an awesome third-and-fourth grade teacher.
We all feel kind of dumb for wasting so much time, but I think for some people that's how it's got to be. We were pretty naive, and needed to knock around in the world a bit before we could become serious people.
I hope your son finds something serious he can get excited about. He's lucky to have a dad that cares, like you.
327 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:35:55am |
re: #307 Walter L. Newton
I've worked for two companies over the last twenty years. In the first ten years I had three different offices/cubicles; and one move was the entire company HQ changing buildings.
For the next six I had three different offices due to small shifts in the same building in Pittsburgh, plus the initial shift to that building when my current employer bought my previous employer and closed down the HQ.
In the 3.5 years I've been in Philly I've had six different cubicles due to various shifts and re-organizations. Including a "boomerang" move where I got moved from one building to another, and then moved back three months later (to a different cubicle on the same floor I'd left).
One benefit is that I have a small moving footprint (4-5 boxes). I have purged paper relentlessly with each move and simply don't keep a lot of files at this point beyond the minimum necessary. (And after the last shift I actually did not bother to unpack two boxes. All I am going to do is slap new labels on them - 1/3 of the way packed.)
Oh, and I do consider myself quite fortunate. Reading here of the various employment issues other Lizards have, and I have friends in Pittsburgh as well who work IT and have issues finding jobs there.
328 | The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:37:30am |
re: #301 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My son has a BA in European History.
Works in a deli, in a heavy metal band.
Every fucking student loan payment I make pisses me off.
My BA turned out to be useless, too. Fortunately, I fell into a line of work which turned out to be roughly equivalent, pay and social status-wise.
329 | The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:38:28am |
330 | Obdicut Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:38:32am |
re: #327 oaktree
Heh. My company has been through about six rounds of layoffs in the past four years, and I've managed to keep the same desk I had at the start throughout all the reorgs and business group splits. A small personal victory.
331 | laZardo Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:38:46am |
re: #326 Obdicut
I kind of have the opposite quandary. I'm actually quite good at math and it was always the one field of schoolwork that I could be guaranteed never to get distracted from.
At the same time I could never imagine taking up something math-related (e.g. accounting) as a career, because it didn't seem "entertaining" enough.
332 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:38:58am |
re: #328 The Sanity Inspector
My BA turned out to be useless, too. Fortunately, I fell into a line of work which turned out to be roughly equivalent, pay and social status-wise.
I dated a girl with a degree in Art History and one that had a BA in Humanities. Both were bartenders.
333 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:39:21am |
re: #324 Dante41
The one I heard was that he was invited to continue work for them, for free. Methinks that a respected speech writer doesn't get a missive like that for nothing.
Someone this morning on MSNBC said he was basically told he wasn't getting any "real" work done and they couldn't afford to pay him his 6 figure salary to write articles.
I was a little confused reading the Bartlett piece. His argument is he was let go for not towing the AEI line on health care but then he says the AEI stance on the HCR issue was basic agreement with the president. If that's the case then why would they let him go for his "waterloo" piece?
334 | Dante41 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:39:34am |
re: #328 The Sanity Inspector
My BA turned out to be useless, too. Fortunately, I fell into a line of work which turned out to be roughly equivalent, pay and social status-wise.
You know, I am thankful now that I get a BS with the license.
335 | Decatur Deb Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:40:41am |
re: #332 Cannadian Club Akbar
I dated a girl with a degree in Art History and one that had a BA in Humanities. Both were bartenders.
Would you rather sit at a bar chatting up a History major or an Accounting major?
336 | SteveC Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:41:05am |
ANN ARBOR, Mich.—Tiny generators developed at the University of Michigan could produce enough electricity from random, ambient vibrations to power a wristwatch, pacemaker or wireless sensor.
My pacemaker is tuned so finely that the battery wears down every 2-3 years. This will be great!
337 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:42:10am |
re: #326 Obdicut
Oh, he'll be fine.
Just needs a reason for focus. I'm thinking a girl... (oh dear god, please a girl).
338 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:42:12am |
re: #325 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
re: #321 cliffster
Keep up your grades through college. Don't become a druggie. Behave your damn self.
Car, College, Respect.
He got/gets all three.
Deserved/earned all three.
My parents weren't able to do those financial things for me. I was determined to do so.
I'm heading down the same path with my son (15 years old ,, sophomore in H.S.)
He's made National Honor Society both years in H.S. and he goes for his drivers permit next month
CAR ,,,, CHECK (while he has the permit, he'll drive one of our cars ,,, when he gets his license in 6 months he'll be getting his 'own' car if all stays okay)!!
He's auditing a course at Georgia Tech this summer with eyes on going there (and looking at two or three others)
COLLEGE ,,, CHECK
By all accounts (adults who interact with him) he knows how to behave himself and treat people
RESPECT ,, CHECK
339 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:42:52am |
re: #335 Decatur Deb
Would you rather sit at a bar chatting up a History major or an Accounting major?
Which one has the nicest rack?
/
341 | sattv4u2 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:43:06am |
re: #325 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
re: #338 sattv4u2
I'm heading down the same path with my son (15 years old ,, sophomore in H.S.)
He's made National Honor Society both years in H.S. and he goes for his drivers permit next month
CAR ,,, CHECK (while he has the permit, he'll drive one of our cars ,,, when he gets his license in 6 months he'll be getting his 'own' car if all stays okay)!!
He's auditing a course at Georgia Tech this summer with eyes on going there (and looking at two or three others)
COLLEGE ,,, CHECK
By all accounts (adults who interact with him) he knows how to behave himself and treat people
RESPECT ,, CHECK
AND ,, same went for my parents re: they couldn't "give" me things
342 | Dante41 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:43:16am |
re: #333 RogueOne
Someone this morning on MSNBC said he was basically told he wasn't getting any "real" work done and they couldn't afford to pay him his 6 figure salary to write articles.
I was a little confused reading the Bartlett piece. His argument is he was let go for not towing the AEI line on health care but then he says the AEI stance on the HCR issue was basic agreement with the president. If that's the case then why would they let him go for his "waterloo" piece?
Best guess: They had to go with the party line. We've seen what happens to people that don't over the past year and a half. They didn't want to loose everything, so they got rid of the "offending" individual.
343 | Spider Mensch Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:50:19am |
re: #330 Obdicut
Heh. My company has been through about six rounds of layoffs in the past four years, and I've managed to keep the same desk I had at the start throughout all the reorgs and business group splits. A small personal victory.
Yeah..mmmmmm...O'kay...well you see that was a glitch in payroll...yeah..hmmmm...you were actually laid off 3 years ago, just nobody told you, and thru the glitch you kept getting paid...yeahhhh...so we'll need you to go ahead there and box up your things, o'kay and move on down to the basement..hmmm...yeah...and I'll just take that red swingline stapler there..Okay?? you won't be needing that...O'kay??? Oh, and I'll need you to come in this Saturday..O'kay???
344 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:50:50am |
re: #328 The Sanity Inspector
One of the best IT analysts I worked with has his degree in Biology. He also did contract work for the USAF before working where I did. I got the impression that the testing and hoop-jumping we had to go through was small potatoes compared to his experience. He also transferred to the Audit Department eventually and did computer applications audits.
My brother "whacks rocks for a living" (his own words) and enjoys the heck out of it. Gets paid to do something he likes to do, what more can you ask for. The more interesting stories he tells are about university internal politics (vicious mix of incompetence and ambition) and the escapades of undergraduate students (youthful exuberance and naivete vs. the subtlety and experience of the old).
I started as an engineering student and wrecked on the twin rocks of organic chemistry and integral calculus (plus a poor work ethic since I'd been able to essentially cruise through high school and get A's without much effort.) Switched over to computer science since I figured that working in a technical field with a B.S. degree would generate a sufficient living as compared to who-knows-what if I had done otherwise. That worked out, and I enjoyed the heck out of programming. (Lovely combination of design and puzzle-solving logic -- and then the end-users screw it all up! ;) )
345 | Ericus58 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:51:16am |
I've been very happy and proud of my son - turning out to be a fine man in his own right:
12 years of competitive hockey (goalie)
Eagle Scout
Spent his H.S. years of Christmas break in Mexico building homes
Junior Year of University (USF)
Army ROTC - went to Ft. Bragg last summer for Jump School
Spent a week in Nicaragua two months ago as part of his Business class, assisting in economic development for a twon there
Has a great GF who is presently in Paris for a semester of studies
Loves my wife (who is not his Mother)
I'm not sure how I got so lucky...
/brag off
346 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:51:18am |
re: #327 oaktree
IT in Denver has tanked, at least as far I I'm concerned. A lot of it moved north and south, north to Boulder/Longmont and south to Colorado Springs. Both those area are considered more "rural" more country-like, and that is the attraction.
In the last almost 6 years, I had one full time job, for two years (2008-2009) at the live theatre, and of course, that was a fallback career for me. I don't consider my acting, production skills and playwriting as my primary career.
All my other jobs were sort term contract programming jobs. And except for holding on to the Kaiser work, I haven't been able to pop any short term contracting stuff.
Three, four years ago, an email from Monster or Dice would have 15-20 jobs a day listed, now, I get one or two a week, and there is usually 1-2 jobs listed, and not even well matched for my skill set.
Things change, always do, I'm know this is nothing new, just new for us. Our parent and ancestors have had to deal with the changing world in the past, we'll all make it too.
347 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:52:04am |
re: #343 Spider Mensch
I love that movie!! Ding!
348 | Decatur Deb Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:52:17am |
Sorry, all. Had to reboot. Anyone w/ hamster problems?
349 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:52:35am |
Whoa!
I lost LGF for a minute or two, all else loading just fine. Somebody send the hamsters breakfast!
350 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:53:31am |
351 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:53:58am |
re: #348 Decatur Deb
Sorry, all. Had to reboot. Anyone w/ hamster problems?
Yes. Locked up for a few minutes there.
352 | Dante41 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:54:02am |
Alas, fellow Lizards, I must leave now. I have stability class soon. See y'all later.
353 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:56:04am |
re: #352 Dante41
Alas, fellow Lizards, I must leave now. I have stability class soon. See y'all later.
So... that's the new word for intensive psychotherapy :)
354 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:56:24am |
re: #339 Cannadian Club Akbar
Which one has the nicest rack?
/
Hysterical. Best joke I think you've ever made. And you have made some good ones.
356 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:56:57am |
re: #342 Dante41
yeah, who knows though. Just for reference my largest dog is named Dante after the 8th circle of hell. I wanted to name him Jihad but my wife wouldn't let me. She didn't get the irony.
357 | Decatur Deb Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:57:44am |
Must be Nature telling me to do some work. Today it's time to go over the mower and do the first yard pass of the year. BBL
358 | MrSilverDragon Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:57:53am |
re: #352 Dante41
Alas, fellow Lizards, I must leave now. I have stability class soon. See y'all later.
I've tried stability. It's boring. I much prefer instability, and unpredictability. It's so much more fitting for this ADHD mind I've got.
And, of course, Good morning, folks!
359 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:59:15am |
re: #346 Walter L. Newton
I've seen that in a few places. Chicago's IT market tanked when Lucent wrecked, tons of IT workers and no jobs.
Pittsburgh market is simply goofy, four universities that produce IT majors (CMU, Pitt, Duquesne, Robert Morris) and not a lot of jobs for them. I think most of them end up in D.C. or northern VA, since when I worked there for two years 75% of the IT contractors I worked with were from western PA or eastern OH.
What sort of development is filling in between downtown Denver and the new Stapleton? I get to Denver every three years or so and I noted that the area looked like it was going to be geared towards office development and possibly some light industry. (Pena Blvd IIRC)
360 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:00:54am |
God morning everyone, and a warning sign for you:
361 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:01:12am |
So I got a letter saying my census form is on the way. Then I got the form. Then I got a postcard asking if I filled out the form yet. Jeez.
362 | MrSilverDragon Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:01:31am |
re: #344 oaktree
Switched over to computer science since I figured that working in a technical field with a B.S. degree would generate a sufficient living as compared to who-knows-what if I had done otherwise. That worked out, and I enjoyed the heck out of programming. (Lovely combination of design and puzzle-solving logic -- and then the end-users screw it all up! ;) )
As a network engineer/programmer, I live by the creed "It's not a bug, it's a feature!"
363 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:01:43am |
re: #359 oaktree
I've seen that in a few places. Chicago's IT market tanked when Lucent wrecked, tons of IT workers and no jobs.
Pittsburgh market is simply goofy, four universities that produce IT majors (CMU, Pitt, Duquesne, Robert Morris) and not a lot of jobs for them. I think most of them end up in D.C. or northern VA, since when I worked there for two years 75% of the IT contractors I worked with were from western PA or eastern OH.
What sort of development is filling in between downtown Denver and the new Stapleton? I get to Denver every three years or so and I noted that the area looked like it was going to be geared towards office development and possibly some light industry. (Pena Blvd IIRC)
I don't see any IT in that area. I can only go by the locations mentioned in ads, and I see little IT for the Stapleton area.
Even the Denver Technical Center (DTC) has scaled back in jobs, a lot of the office space is vacant, and the long-term business have hunkered down.
364 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:02:05am |
re: #362 MrSilverDragon
As a network engineer/programmer, I live by the creed "It's not a bug, it's a feature!"
YOU DIE.
I'm a software tester at the moment, and I live to hate that phrase. And as a programmer, I do my best not to say it, either.
365 | laZardo Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:03:20am |
re: #362 MrSilverDragon
As a network engineer/programmer, I live by the creed "It's not a bug, it's a feature!"
That's probably the auto industry's creed these days.
366 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:03:47am |
Anyone read the story last week about the dog ripping off a police car bumper? The video started going around yesterday:
Cnn Story with video:
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Dash-cam video:
367 | badger1970 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:04:03am |
re: #361 Cannadian Club Akbar
My daughter's school all got t-shirts saying "Census 2010: Make it count", the staff got polo shirts with the school's logo and Census 2010 stitched on the left sleeve. I'm still up in the air deciding if it was a good use of moola.
368 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:05:35am |
re: #367 badger1970
My daughter's school all got t-shirts saying "Census 2010: Make it count", the staff got polo shirts with the school's logo and Census 2010 stitched on the left sleeve. I'm still up in the air deciding if it was a good use of moola.
We had a local skool that made shirts for the millennium turn. They spelled millennium wrong. Heh.
369 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:06:08am |
re: #364 thedopefishlives
YOU DIE.
I'm a software tester at the moment, and I live to hate that phrase. And as a programmer, I do my best not to say it, either.
I've applied for software QA jobs, don't even get a bite. When I worked at the DOE National Renewable Energy Lab, I was responsible for writing testing and QA plans for the custom applications we had written in Oracle, training the end users in executing the testing and then auditing the results.
And ALL the small business' I've worked for, I've done everything from analyst, design, programming, testing, training and documentation. You would think that would be enough skills for a software QA job... but nope... not a bite.
370 | laZardo Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:06:50am |
Gonna get a drink to numb the inevitable death from my OTHER little brother's birthday party's tobacco smoke rising up to my computer area. ;_;
371 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:08:02am |
re: #369 Walter L. Newton
Honestly, it's not exactly the line of work I want, but in the situation I'm in, it's a good fit. It gives a different view of the software development cycle and an appreciation for properly testing one's code. Also, since the position is for automated test development, I get to play with code, which keeps my programmer resume current for the possibility of finagling my way into a real programming position.
373 | Semper Fi Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:08:21am |
re: #348 Decatur Deb
Sorry, all. Had to reboot. Anyone w/ hamster problems?
Same here. Reboot and now OK.
374 | The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:09:03am |
re: #338 sattv4u2
I'm heading down the same path with my son (15 years old ,, sophomore in H.S.)
He's made National Honor Society both years in H.S. and he goes for his drivers permit next month
CAR ,,, CHECK (while he has the permit, he'll drive one of our cars ,,, when he gets his license in 6 months he'll be getting his 'own' car if all stays okay)!!
He's auditing a course at Georgia Tech this summer with eyes on going there (and looking at two or three others)
COLLEGE ,,, CHECK
By all accounts (adults who interact with him) he knows how to behave himself and treat people
RESPECT ,, CHECK
Ow, you dinged my eye with those buttons bursting off of your chest!
375 | MrSilverDragon Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:10:43am |
re: #364 thedopefishlives
YOU DIE.
I'm a software tester at the moment, and I live to hate that phrase. And as a programmer, I do my best not to say it, either.
I have to say it every day. If I didn't, I'd probably end up smacking our software development team with the nearest available bat-like item. I don't know how many times I've had to dive into their code to fix their mistakes.
376 | The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:11:06am |
re: #368 Cannadian Club Akbar
We had a local skool that made shirts for the millennium turn. They spelled millennium wrong. Heh.
I once saw a continuing education pamphlet stating their mission to fight adult literacy. They meant illiteracy, of course.
377 | Obdicut Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:11:12am |
Heh. A friend of a friend found this historical tidbit:
In July, 1798, Congress passed, and President John Adams signed into law “An Act for the Relief of Sick and Disabled Seamen,” authorizing the creation of a marine hospital service, and mandating privately employed sailors to purchase healthcare insurance.
This legislation also created America’s first payroll tax, as a ship’s owner was required to deduct 20 cents from each sailor’s monthly pay and forward those receipts to the service, which in turn provided injured sailors hospital care. Failure to pay or account properly was discouraged by requiring a law violating owner or ship's captain to pay a 100 dollar fine.
[Link: open.salon.com...]
John Adams: what a socialist.
378 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:11:22am |
re: #375 MrSilverDragon
I have to say it every day. If I didn't, I'd probably end up smacking our software development team with the nearest available bat-like item. I don't know how many times I've had to dive into their code to fix their mistakes.
Here, you can borrow my cluebat. Well, actually, I'll need that for this morning's daily team meeting, but you can borrow it when I get back.
380 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:14:05am |
re: #371 thedopefishlives
Honestly, it's not exactly the line of work I want, but in the situation I'm in, it's a good fit. It gives a different view of the software development cycle and an appreciation for properly testing one's code. Also, since the position is for automated test development, I get to play with code, which keeps my programmer resume current for the possibility of finagling my way into a real programming position.
So do you "poke" test code into the application that does the automatic QA or do you use some add in product that does that for you?
A few of my small business jobs in the past were for companies that sell speciality applications. I use to build demos of the actual product that would "self run" with little text boxes popping up to explain functionality, forms filling themselves out, all that stuff.
I've also seen some third party products that "plug in" to applications that do that too. I used a product for Oracle forms that could do that.
381 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:14:06am |
re: #361 Cannadian Club Akbar
Filled mine out the day I got it. If I'm going to read "The Census is Coming" or "Have you filled out your census card" there is a great chance I would've just opened up my fucking census form and filled it out.
Really. I do not trust them to run health care very effectively.
Didn't trust George Bush to be able to do it either.
382 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:14:47am |
re: #367 badger1970
My daughter's school all got t-shirts saying "Census 2010: Make it count", the staff got polo shirts with the school's logo and Census 2010 stitched on the left sleeve. I'm still up in the air deciding if it was a good use of moola.
You're still up in the air? Really? Am I detecting sarcasm?
383 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:15:51am |
re: #363 Walter L. Newton
That seems to be what is going on in a lot of places. Companies are hunkering down to ride things out and have cut back in functions like IT to bare minimums.
By the way, I generally occur with your opinion about what a degree is worth in IT work. I think that the importance is that the programmer/analyst understands the methodologies and logic needed to solve the issues - and beyond that it mainly is experience with having seen problems and carried out the solutions previously. Beyond a few design issues all that might change is syntax (e.g. coding a solution in any 3GL will be the same beyond one language possibly having a "trick" or two another doesn't.*)
My take is that an IT degree means something up until 1-2 years of experience. After that point it's what you've learned to implement and how well you adapt to changing challenges.**
* - In my "youth" I once coded a recursive function in COBOL. That produced a very interesting crash. That's what you get for being taught Pascal initially in school (where recursion will work.)
** - I also saw an interesting split between IT employees based on where/how they were schooled. Pitt and CMU produced a sort of "technical" IT programmer - very good on the methodology and logic, not that experienced with the business issues - which produced communications issues at times. Duquesne and Robert Morris had a duel business/comp sci program that produced "business" programmers. Since they had the accounting and business classes they understood issues and communicated with the end-users well. On the flip-side they were not as saavy on the technical side, at least initially. Mix them and you did get some good teams though.
384 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:16:30am |
re: #377 Obdicut
Heh. A friend of a friend found this historical tidbit:
[Link: open.salon.com...]
John Adams: what a
socialistfederalist.
FTFY but it's really the same thing I guess.
385 | The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:16:41am |
386 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:16:50am |
re: #381 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Filled mine out the day I got it. If I'm going to read "The Census is Coming" or "Have you filled out your census card" there is a great chance I would've just opened up my fucking census form and filled it out.
Really. I do not trust them to run health care very effectively.
Didn't trust George Bush to be able to do it either.
I got...
1) A census in the mail
2) A census worker visited my house (I live in the mountains) and dropped on off.
3) A note in the mail last week reminding me to fill out the census form.
I sent in the form weeks ago. This is over kill and a WASTE of money.
387 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:17:04am |
re: #380 Walter L. Newton
So do you "poke" test code into the application that does the automatic QA or do you use some add in product that does that for you?
A few of my small business jobs in the past were for companies that sell speciality applications. I use to build demos of the actual product that would "self run" with little text boxes popping up to explain functionality, forms filling themselves out, all that stuff.
I've also seen some third party products that "plug in" to applications that do that too. I used a product for Oracle forms that could do that.
The automatic QA on our product is actually driven by our build script. The tests are run "behind the scenes", on the code libraries that are called by the application's UI elements. We use a third-party test framework and fill in the code pieces needed to hook our API up to the test framework.
388 | MrSilverDragon Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:17:24am |
re: #378 thedopefishlives
Here, you can borrow my cluebat. Well, actually, I'll need that for this morning's daily team meeting, but you can borrow it when I get back.
Ah yes, the cluebat.
I used to have a 3 foot pipe sitting next to my desk with the word clue etched into it. There were days I had to show full restraint to the sales dept, management, and most of all... the marketing dept.
389 | Obdicut Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:17:29am |
re: #384 RogueOne
FTFY but it's really the same thing I guess.
The sad part is a lot of people really do think federalists and socialists are quite similar.
More and more, any form of distinction in politics is blurred.
390 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:18:13am |
re: #389 Obdicut
The sad part is a lot of people really do think federalists and socialists are quite similar.
More and more, any form of distinction in politics is blurred.
They're either for me or against me//
391 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:18:32am |
re: #383 oaktree
I'm a simple high school graduate. Everything I learned was done myself or peers, mainly myself, since there wasn't to many peers in 1978 when I started all this.
392 | The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:19:12am |
re: #377 Obdicut
Heh. A friend of a friend found this historical tidbit:
[Link: open.salon.com...]
John Adams: what a socialist.
Meanwhile, I doubt this will calm the national mood:
"Too often, much of late, the last couple three years the mal-distribution of income in America is gone up way too much, the wealthy are getting way, way too wealthy, and the middle income class is left behind. Wages have not kept up with increased income of the highest income in America. This legislation will have the effect of addressing that mal-distribution of income in America."
393 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:19:27am |
re: #388 MrSilverDragon
Ah yes, the cluebat.
I used to have a 3 foot pipe sitting next to my desk with the word clue etched into it. There were days I had to show full restraint to the sales dept, management, and most of all... the marketing dept.
That is so awesome. I should bring in my wife's custom-made bo staff and just leave it leaning in a corner of my cube. Tell people it's the beating stick for when people break the build.
394 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:20:12am |
Mornin' all. My wife got me a new sign for our swimming pool.
"Any child left unattended will be sold to the circus"
I have 2 boys still here at home and in the summer my back yard often resembles Y camp.
395 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:20:30am |
re: #369 Walter L. Newton
We have a library of QA scripts for the current application configuration. Any sort of "broad" update, including a service pack update to the backbone software (SAP) requires getting a set of end-users and manually running through the scripts to confirm that everything still works correctly.
There are automated tools for that sort of thing of course. But I've never worked for a company yet that is willing to spend the resources on installing and properly upkeeping the datasets necessary to run one.
Then again, I'm working for an oil company, not a software design company.
396 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:20:38am |
If it could be done here, Holder would be leading the pack.
He is accused of misusing funds by accepting the money to run Vinci, the world’s biggest construction company.
The sum was set by a remuneration committee chaired by Quentin Davies, Britain’s junior Defence Minister.
Mr Zacharias, 71, is the first French industry captain to face criminal charges over earnings and faces up to five years in prison and a fine of £336,000.
French bosses are anxiously awaiting the outcome of the two-day trial at the court in Nanterre outside Paris, as a guilty verdict could lead to a wave of prosecutions in France over executive pay.
France is notoriously mistrustful of its patrons, and the country was hit by a wave of “boss-nappings” last year in the wake of the financial crisis.
Under French law, company bosses can be prosecuted for misusing funds. However, this is the first time a case has been brought against someone who appeared to have acted within company rules on pay.
Hailed as France’s boss of the decade by the Harvard Business Review, Mr Zacharias transformed Vinci into a construction powerhouse, raising profits by more than 300 per cent and turnover by 81 per cent in six years.
But in 2006 he was ousted by his number two, and successor, who accused him of corporate greed.
Xavier Huillard sent administrators a letter in which he listed his “excesses”, such as exorbitant bonuses and the allegedly lavish renovation of the chairman’s luxury town house. He is also an obsessive collector of Hermes jackets.
SNIP
397 | MrSilverDragon Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:21:54am |
re: #394 pingjockey
Mornin' all. My wife got me a new sign for our swimming pool.
"Any child left unattended will be sold to the circus"
I have 2 boys still here at home and in the summer my back yard often resembles Y camp.
I was always partial to the coffee-house signs which said, "Any child left unattended will be given a double espresso and a puppy."
Let the hilarity ensue!
398 | badger1970 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:22:09am |
re: #382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, she did get a "free" t-shirt. //
399 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:22:57am |
re: #397 MrSilverDragon
Heh! Kinda like the grandparents sugaring the kids up and then bringing them home.
400 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:24:06am |
Meanwhile, Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahar was quoted as strongly criticizing those who have been firing rockets at Israel in the past few days.
Zahar’s remarks were made during an interview with an Iranian TV station.
Zahar hinted in the interview that those who were firing the rockets were trying to drag Hamas and Israel into a new round of fighting. He described the rocket-launchers as “suspicious” elements – a term often used in the Palestinian territories denounce those accused of being Israeli agents.
SNIP
Da Juice sure is busy.
401 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:24:21am |
re: #399 pingjockey
Heh! Kinda like the grandparents sugaring the kids up and then bringing them home.
Whenever my cousins bring their rambunctious little tykes over to my mom and dad's house, they have absolutely no qualms about breaking out the sugary lemonade, cookies/brownies, etc. Quoth my mother after one such event, "Hey, I'm not the one that has to deal with 'em when they get home!"
402 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:25:07am |
Cali is going to have a issue on the ballot in Nov. Legalizing pot. Less than an ounce and you can grow your own too.
403 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:25:47am |
re: #400 MandyManners
SNIP
Da Juice sure is busy.
So let me get this straight. The eeebil Joos are firing rockets at, and killing ... themselves ... in order to drag ... themselves ... into a war against the people commonly referred to as Palestinians. Yeah, and 9/11 was an inside job.
404 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:26:03am |
re: #389 Obdicut
The sad part is a lot of people really do think federalists and socialists are quite similar.
More and more, any form of distinction in politics is blurred.
Did you happen to watch the whole Adams mini-series on HBO? I enjoyed it, It was very well done.
405 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:27:10am |
The resolution, which was criticised by the United States as “an instrument of division”, “strongly condemns... the ban on the construction of minarets of mosques and other recent discriminatory measures” passed in November. These measures “are manifestations of Islamophobia that stand in sharp contradiction to international human rights obligations concerning freedoms of religions,” said the resolution.
SNIP
The resolution also “expresses deep concern ... that Islam is frequently and wrongly associated with human rights violations and terrorism.”
SNIP
Fucking Baptist gotta' stop the bombings.
406 | The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:27:24am |
The problem's all inside your code she said to me;
Recursion is easy if you take it logically.
I'm here to help you if you're struggling to learn C,
There must be fifty ways to hose your code.
She said it's really not my habit to #include,
And I hope my files won't be lost or misconstrued;
But I'll recompile at the risk of getting screwed,
There must be fifty ways to hose your code.
Just blow up the stack Jack,
Make a bad call Paul,
Just hit the wrong key Lee,
And set your pointers free.
Just mess up the bus Gus,
You don't need to recurse much,
You just listen to me.
She said it greives me to see you compile again.
I wish there were some hardware that wasn't such a pain.
I said I appreciate that and could you please explain,
About the fifty ways.
She said why don't we both just work on it tonight,
And I'm sure in the morning it'll be working just right.
Then she hosed me and I realized she probably was right,
There must be fifty ways to hose your code.
Just lose the address Les,
Clear the wrong Int Clint,
Traverse the wrong tree Lee,
And set your list free.
Just mess up the bus Gus,
You don't need to recurse much,
You just program in C.
407 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:27:53am |
re: #389 Obdicut
The sad part is a lot of people really do think federalists and socialists are quite similar.
More and more, any form of distinction in politics is blurred.
One of the things about US politics that I find most interesting is that so many folks seem to be in denial about the fact that America is very much a mixed economy. Regulated capitalism with a socialist safety net is the name of the game, yet the usual political rhetoric presents as if the nation is locked in death struggle between unbridled capitalism vs communism.
408 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:27:57am |
re: #403 thedopefishlives
So let me get this straight. The eeebil Joos are firing rockets at, and killing ... themselves ... in order to drag ... themselves ... into a war against the people commonly referred to as Palestinians. Yeah, and 9/11 was an inside job.
You got the line down correctly.
409 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:28:08am |
re: #391 Walter L. Newton
I'm a simple high school graduate. Everything I learned was done myself or peers, mainly myself, since there wasn't to many peers in 1978 when I started all this.
Things are a lot looser on the frontier. ;)
The first contractor I worked for in DC/NVA was transitioning from using HS grads/associate degree to bachelor degree employees when I went to work for them in 1987. They had to do it simply to keep up with the competition in trying to get government contracts for IT personnel.
I went through college right when the PC revolution was starting. Punch cards, FORTRAN and PDP-11s when I started. PCs and C+ when I left. Was trained in a bunch of stuff that was already obsolete, and was past the basics when they started teaching object-oriented stuff for real. The details in the university education are fleeting, it's whether or not you've learned how to think through the solutions to the problems.
I took a no-credit COBOL course for a lark over a summer in my senior year to add an additional programming language to my resume. That, and some ability with SQL coding and relational databases then proceeded to pay the rent for over a decade. (Following a 18-month stint making vacuum cleaner parts right after college.)
410 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:28:38am |
Be back in a bit, time to break out the cluebat.
411 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:28:50am |
re: #401 thedopefishlives
Yep. I didn't get married until I retired from the navy and she had 2 boys I adopted, then we had one of "ours". Anyway, I remember being at my parents and the boys were doing boy things and dad was letting them get away with it and I said something and got jumped on my mom and dad(grandma and grampa) And is said something like "they'd of never let me do that" and wife(who's very smart) says "they're not your parents anymore, they're grandparents" Took me a while to figure out what she meant!
412 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:28:58am |
re: #402 pingjockey
Cali is going to have a issue on the ballot in Nov. Legalizing pot. Less than an ounce and you can grow your own too.
Reason has been covering the issue. They re-posted a commercial this morning.
Buy American!
414 | MrSilverDragon Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:31:04am |
re: #402 pingjockey
Cali is going to have a issue on the ballot in Nov. Legalizing pot. Less than an ounce and you can grow your own too.
Oh dear, if they make pot legal, people will be running mad in the streets!.. if they can get up off the couch... or if they finish feeding their munchie craving... what were we talking about?
415 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:31:20am |
Those inquiries, the Council said in Geneva, must look into the serious violations of international humanitarian and human rights law reported by the fact-finding mission into the Operation Cast Lead, the three-week Israeli military offensive starting at the end of 2008 that had the stated aim of ending rocket attacks by militants operating in the area.
The fighting left more than 1,400 people dead, injured 5,000 others and reduced homes, schools, hospitals and marketplaces to rubble.
The Goldstone Report, as it has become known, found that both Israeli forces and Palestinian militants were guilty of serious human rights violations and breaches of humanitarian law during the Gaza conflict, which began in late December 2008. The General Assembly has endorsed the mission’s findings.
The four-member fact-finding team headed by former UN war crimes prosecutor Justice Richard Goldstone, set up at the request of the Human Rights Council, called on the two sides to carry out independent investigations into their actions during the conflict.
The Human Rights Council today also called on the High Commissioner for Human Rights, Navi Pillay, to look into setting up an escrow fund to provide reparations to Palestinians who suffered losses as a result of unlawful Israeli actions during the conflict.
It also decided to establish a committee of independent experts to monitor the independence, effective and genuineness of the investigations and their conformity with international standards.
SNIP
No compensation for the expenses incurred by Israelis from the years of rocket attacks on civilians?
416 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:31:54am |
What's the latest on the whole Obama/Netanyahu situation? Have any other reports come out regarding what actually happened at the meeting?
417 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:31:55am |
re: #412 RogueOne
I had occasion to get some pot while going through chemo and the potency difference from the late 70s when I quit smoking the stuff was amazing. BTW, pot should be a prescrition drug when going through chemo, IMO.
418 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:32:25am |
re: #416 drcordell
What's the latest on the whole Obama/Netanyahu situation? Have any other reports come out regarding what actually happened at the meeting?
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
419 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:32:27am |
re: #414 MrSilverDragon
Turtles, we were talking about turtles.
420 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:32:58am |
re: #414 MrSilverDragon
Oh dear, if they make pot legal, people will be running mad in the streets!.. if they can get up off the couch... or if they finish feeding their munchie craving... what were we talking about?
I'm going to invest in snack food companies and tv networks that air cartoons.
421 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:33:09am |
re: #418 Cannadian Club Akbar
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
I read that yesterday, nothing else has come out since then? That article seemed to be at odds with other reports that didn't describe such a contentious ending to the meeting.
422 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:33:17am |
423 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:33:42am |
SNIP
The Palestinian National Authority (PNA) had asked the Arab League for 500 million dollars to help the Palestinians resist the enlargement of Israeli settlements, which is pushing them outside East Jerusalem, the Arab part of the city.
424 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:33:49am |
re: #421 drcordell
I read that yesterday, nothing else has come out since then? That article seemed to be at odds with other reports that didn't describe such a contentious ending to the meeting.
That's all I've seen.
425 | MrSilverDragon Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:34:06am |
426 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:34:15am |
re: #422 Cannadian Club Akbar
Hehe! Anybody cath the double OT b'ball game last night? Great game.
427 | Jadespring Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:34:17am |
re: #326 Obdicut
Both of my brothers and I didn't really find what we loved and excelled at until our late twenties. College wasn't that useful to me-- or rather, I wasn't smart or mature enough back in college to properly take advantage of it. But after a few years of noodling around, I was able to start building a really good career for myself.
One of my brothers, now that I think of it, was a history major. He went back to school to learn animal wildlife management, and now he does cool stuff like crawling into the dens of mother bears to traquilize them and gather data. He's publishing like mad and happy as a clam.
My other brother did philosophy, I think, and then in his late twenties went back to school, got a teaching certificate, and became an awesome third-and-fourth grade teacher.
We all feel kind of dumb for wasting so much time, but I think for some people that's how it's got to be. We were pretty naive, and needed to knock around in the world a bit before we could become serious people.
I hope your son finds something serious he can get excited about. He's lucky to have a dad that cares, like you.
That sounds similar to me. I went to Uni right after to highschool like I was supposed too. Did alright but nothing was really clicking. After two years in an opportunity presented itself and I dropped out. Long story short I ended up full filling a dream of mine and did some really interesting things along the way. I got a couple of diplomas and certificates in few different things such a paliative care and worked in a variety of fields. I started two small businesses which I ended up selling and just generally led an eclectic life during my twenties. As thirty approach I was offered a cool full time job which would have set me up really well. I turned that down because I decided that now I was ready to go back to school because now I really knew what I wanted to study. The difference between Uni at 18 and 30 was night and day. I was more a partner in my education rather then a passive participant that sat there regurgitating information for marks.
I don't consider myself dumb for wasting time. My life would have been quite different if I had stayed in Uni and finished in my early twenties but I wouldn't have gotten as much out of as I did when older. It really would have just been a piece of paper with little relevance to what I'm doing now. I'm glad I trusted my gut enough to follow a more round about route. I'm still in contact with a few people from HS who did follow the 4 year degree and a masters path. Only one is really happy. The other say that by the time they figured out what they really wanted to do it was too late in terms of time and investment in there degrees to turn back so they just sucked it up and completed them.
428 | darthstar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:34:17am |
re: #395 oaktree
We have a library of QA scripts for the current application configuration. Any sort of "broad" update, including a service pack update to the backbone software (SAP) requires getting a set of end-users and manually running through the scripts to confirm that everything still works correctly.
There are automated tools for that sort of thing of course. But I've never worked for a company yet that is willing to spend the resources on installing and properly upkeeping the datasets necessary to run one.
Then again, I'm working for an oil company, not a software design company.
I've been in QA automation for 12 years myself.
429 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:36:51am |
Leading newspapers said Netanyahu now has his “back to the wall,” with US President Barack Obama demanding major steps to revive the peace process that threaten the premier’s mostly right-wing coalition. Netanyahu insisted ahead of his departure that the two sides had made “progress” in resolving a row over continued construction in annexed Arab east Jerusalem which has hindered US efforts to revive the peace process.
But Israeli army radio said the visit had done little to repair relations and was at best a “disappointment” and at worst a “resounding failure.” Israel’s Haaretz newspaper said Netanyahu had left Washington “disgraced and isolated” after a flurry of meetings that unusually included no public statement or joint photo opportunity.
SNIP
430 | The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:38:26am |
re: #416 drcordell
What's the latest on the whole Obama/Netanyahu situation? Have any other reports come out regarding what actually happened at the meeting?
New York Magazine is reporting it as a snub.
The WaPo omits the alleged dinner snub, but says the meting was quite frosty.
431 | darthstar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:39:53am |
Mornin' everyone...
It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas...can you feel the love? I sure as fuck can't.
Duren had just picked up his 10-year-old daughter from school and had her in the car with him.
"He pointed at the back of my car," Duren said, "the bumper, flipped me off, one finger salute."
But it didn't end there.
Duren told News 2 that Weisiger honked his horn at him for awhile, as Duren stopped at a stop sign.
Once he started driving again, down Blair Boulevard, towards his home, he said, "I looked in the rear view mirror again, and this same SUV was speeding, flying up behind me, bumped me."
433 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:42:16am |
re: #430 The Sanity Inspector
New York Magazine is reporting it as a snub.
The WaPo omits the alleged dinner snub, but says the meting was quite frosty.
Can't say I'm surprised. After what happened to Biden we had to send a message that shit wasn't going to fly.
434 | MrSilverDragon Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:43:07am |
re: #431 darthstar
Mornin' everyone...
It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas...can you feel the love? I sure as fuck can't.
That's just... charming. :P
435 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:45:03am |
re: #431 darthstar
Idjits. I have an NRA sticker and a terrorist hunting permit on my pickup and other than some "looks" while in Seattle, never had anyone do something that stupid. I do have a commies aren't cool shirt with the picture of Che' the kids like to wear and have kids ask me about it. They didn't know Che' was a buddy of Castro. Sheesh, don't we teach history anymore?
436 | The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:45:12am |
re: #433 drcordell
Can't say I'm surprised. After what happened to Biden we had to send a message that shit wasn't going to fly.
Now that both sides have made their points, I hope the protocol wonks can help them climb down now.
437 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:46:16am |
The newspaper said proposals that would have effectively closed international airspace and waters to Iranian state-owned air cargo and shipping lines had been scrapped.
The proposed package of sanctions had also been stripped of plans targeting insurance for certain Iranian companies and the sale of Iranian bonds.
The United States is working to develop consensus among the five veto-wielding permanent members of the United Nations Security Council on sanctions punishing Tehran for its nuclear program.
SNIP
438 | badger1970 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:46:51am |
re: #431 darthstar
This wasn't the first time that a bumper sticker caused a road rage incident nor will it be the last. Nuts are nuts.
440 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:47:33am |
re: #437 MandyManners
Yep. Stand by for another strongly worded letter. Do Russia and China do a lot of business with Iran?
441 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:47:36am |
re: #436 The Sanity Inspector
Now that both sides have made their points, I hope the protocol wonks can help them climb down now.
I hope so too. I would imagine that the public pressure is going to mount on Bibi to mend the rift in relations, but you never know. He effectively campaigned for office on a platform of expansion in East Jerusalem so it's not like anyone should be surprised. Not really sure where it's going to go from here, but it seems like they perhaps underestimated Obama a little bit. Figured that he had other fish to fry and wouldn't push back against the expansion?
442 | Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:48:15am |
ahh. Good to see some honesty and at least telling us what is on his mind.
443 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:48:21am |
re: #440 pingjockey
Yep. Stand by for another strongly worded letter. Do Russia and China do a lot of business with Iran?
Tons of business. That's why we have to ensure that they are on board for any sanctions with the UN or they will effectively be pointless.
444 | lawhawk Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:48:23am |
MSNBC is reporting that a South Korean navy ship is sinking near the maritime border with North Korea. The North has regularly complained that the South violates the border - and it isn't clear what caused the sinking. Reuters reports the ship is carrying 100 sailors and that the North was bolstering its defenses after the South Koreans and US held joint drills earlier in the month.
That comes on the heels of a statement warning that the North would use its nuclear capabilities after learning of a report on the South Koreans and US preparing for possible instability following the demise of the North Korean regime.
"Those who seek to bring down the system in the (North), whether they play a main role or a passive role, will fall victim to the unprecedented nuclear strikes of the invincible army," North Korea's military said in comments carried by the official Korean Central News Agency.
As they say, developing...
445 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:49:06am |
re: #441 drcordell
Does Israel have a housing shortage? I don't know how many people they had to resettle after giving Gaza to the Palis.
446 | Ericus58 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:49:29am |
WWII-era Navy plane found crashed in remote Oregon forest
[Link: www.komonews.com...]
"TILLAMOOK, Ore. -- A World War II-era U.S. Navy aircraft has been discovered by a logging company in a remote Oregon forest.
The Curtiss SB2C Helldiver was located near Rockaway Beach on March 18, officials said, and initial responders report there may be human remains at the site."
447 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:50:13am |
re: #443 drcordell
Thanks. I also wonder if Russia might be concerned about the islamic revolution spreading into all those -stan republics.
448 | Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:50:42am |
re: #444 lawhawk
MSNBC is reporting that a South Korean navy ship is sinking near the maritime border with North Korea. The North has regularly complained that the South violates the border - and it isn't clear what caused the sinking. Reuters reports the ship is carrying 100 sailors and that the North was bolstering its defenses after the South Koreans and US held joint drills earlier in the month.
That comes on the heels of a statement warning that the North would use its nuclear capabilities after learning of a report on the South Koreans and US preparing for possible instability following the demise of the North Korean regime.
As they say, developing...
ooo...*breaks out popcorn*.
449 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:51:02am |
re: #427 Jadespring
When I did fraternity volunteer work we'd occasionally visit chapters that had managed to pledge/initiate someone who'd gotten "life experience" (usually in the military) before going back to (or into) college. 90% of the time these guys were fantastic to have in chapters. They were a mature and stabilizing influence on the younger men, and were simply trusted more than the alumni since they were *there* and going through the same classes as the other undergraduates.
I think college is a fantastic experience in terms of exposure to a wide variety of ideas, viewpoints, and opportunities. But it's not the only way to get there, and it's not the right path for everyone to take.
450 | The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:51:10am |
re: #440 pingjockey
Yep. Stand by for another strongly worded letter. Do Russia and China do a lot of business with Iran?
There was a bit on NPR yesterday about Russia's close trade ties with Iran.
451 | Semper Fi Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:51:22am |
Thanks. Don't really those types of stories but crazy exists and one must stay tuned, unfortunately.
453 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:52:13am |
re: #435 pingjockey
If Thomas Jefferson is no longer of historical significance in Texas, what makes you think anything will be taught about Castro, much less Che'?
454 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:52:20am |
re: #440 pingjockey
Yep. Stand by for another strongly worded letter. Do Russia and China do a lot of business with Iran?
Yes.
455 | The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:52:43am |
re: #446 Ericus58
WWII-era Navy plane found crashed in remote Oregon forest
[Link: www.komonews.com...]
"TILLAMOOK, Ore. -- A World War II-era U.S. Navy aircraft has been discovered by a logging company in a remote Oregon forest.
The Curtiss SB2C Helldiver was located near Rockaway Beach on March 18, officials said, and initial responders report there may be human remains at the site."
456 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:52:56am |
Looks like we're gonna sign the latest START treaty, good. We're down to less than 2k warheads on a side.
457 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:53:28am |
re: #456 pingjockey
Looks like we're gonna sign the latest START treaty, good. We're down to less than 2k warheads on a side.
Chopping off balls.
458 | Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:53:39am |
re: #456 pingjockey
Looks like we're gonna sign the latest START treaty, good. We're down to less than 2k warheads on a side.
You really think that Russia will disarm?
I got a bridge for sale on ebay for you.
459 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:53:46am |
re: #453 oaktree
What? Why don't they teach Jefferson? That's nuts.
460 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:53:59am |
re: #445 pingjockey
Does Israel have a housing shortage? I don't know how many people they had to resettle after giving Gaza to the Palis.
The building in East Jerusalem isn't because there is nowhere left to build. It's to solidify Israel's control over East Jerusalem and effectively preclude the possibility of it becoming the Palestinian capitol.
461 | Ericus58 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:54:22am |
re: #455 The Sanity Inspector
Pretty darn good plane.. Curtis made some of the only planes that we had to deploy at the start of WWII - who could forget the P-40?
462 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:55:20am |
re: #457 MandyManners
Chopping off balls.
How many times over does the world need to be destroyed? 50, 100, 200? We don't need that many warheads, and Russia can't afford to keep that many warheads. Signing a treaty to have them decommissioned makes sure they don't end up in the hands of terrorists.
463 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:56:23am |
re: #457 MandyManners
re: #458 Oh no...Sand People!
Calm down. When I was in the navy us and the Commies had over 10,000 warheads. Less is good. Easier to verify, and nukes, especially missles and sub launched are maintence intensive. The Russian nuclear arsenal after the cold war ended was of huge concern. Accidents, thefts, no Command and control links were a huge concern.
464 | The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:56:52am |
465 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:57:10am |
re: #460 drcordell
Ah. Thanks. I'm not as savy about that as I should be.
466 | Semper Fi Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:57:50am |
re: #431 darthstar
Mornin' everyone...
It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas...can you feel the love? I sure as fuck can't.
Sorry, my bad. My #451 was a comment to your post.
467 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:58:05am |
468 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:58:18am |
Somebody send a waaahmmmbulance to Maddow.
“The idea that the Democrats are to blame for this doesn’t even make sense. It’s ridiculous,” Maddow told the Herald yesterday. “Scott Brown made this up in order to make money off my name and likeness and I think he should stop. And I think he should apologize.”
Maddow, who lives in western Massachusetts, called Brown a “creep” in a planned MSNBC newspaper ad scheduled to run today and slammed him for sending out a nationwide fund-raising letter this week “smearing me to raise money for himself.”
However, the rumor sprang from a Facebook page launched by a liberal Northhampton radio host, was fueled by a mysterious tweet from the state Democratic party chairman and got pumped up as recently as Wednesday by the state’s Democratic governor.
SNIP
As for Brown, his spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom said: “It was an open secret that the Democrats were trying to recruit Rachel Maddow to run against Scott Brown in 2012. Now that she’s said no, I’m sure they’ll scurry around looking for someone else. Maybe Keith Olbermann’s available.”
469 | Ericus58 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:58:31am |
re: #463 pingjockey
re: #458 Oh no...Sand People!
Calm down. When I was in the navy us and the Commies had over 10,000 warheads. Less is good. Easier to verify, and nukes, especially missles and sub launched are maintence intensive. The Russian nuclear arsenal after the cold war ended was of huge concern. Accidents, thefts, no Command and control links were a huge concern.
"Trust... but Verify"
471 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:59:22am |
re: #463 pingjockey
re: #458 Oh no...Sand People!
Calm down. When I was in the navy us and the Commies had over 10,000 warheads. Less is good. Easier to verify, and nukes, especially missles and sub launched are maintence intensive. The Russian nuclear arsenal after the cold war ended was of huge concern. Accidents, thefts, no Command and control links were a huge concern.
Yeah that's what worries me. Underpaid Russian soldiers safeguarding deteriorating nuclear warheads with inadequate fail-safe devices. I see nothing beneficial coming out of that situation.
472 | lawhawk Fri, Mar 26, 2010 7:59:37am |
re: #463 pingjockey
The nuclear weapons that are decommissioned are actually turned into energy stocks - diluting the enriched uranium is easier and cheaper than enriching naturally occurring uranium. Much of the current supply of nuclear fuel for nuclear reactors is coming from deactivated nuclear weapons.
A problem, however, with reducing the number of nuclear weapons is that once you fall below a certain point, it becomes possible that a county would see an advantage to taking out the other because you'd be able to eliminate the second strike capability - eliminating or vastly reducing the MAD quotient.
It also makes the situation more difficult when dealing with rogue nations.
473 | Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:00:08am |
re: #462 drcordell
How many times over does the world need to be destroyed? 50, 100, 200? We don't need that many warheads, and Russia can't afford to keep that many warheads. Signing a treaty to have them decommissioned makes sure they don't end up in the hands of terrorists.
Good grief. There are already so many loose nukes out in the world via Russia. When I lived in Bulgaria I could have bought my very own RPG just for fun, *za kef*!, just through some black market connections. I could have even outfitted an entire group. I am sure if I wanted to kick it up a notch who knows what else I could have gotten my hands on.
This is pure, "now the world loves us...right?" shenanigans.
474 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:00:34am |
re: #459 pingjockey
475 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:00:38am |
re: #460 drcordell
The building in East Jerusalem isn't because there is nowhere left to build. It's to solidify Israel's control over East Jerusalem and effectively preclude the possibility of it becoming the Palestinian capitol.
How many times does it have to be pointed out that Ramat Shlomo is not even in East Jerusalem.
476 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:00:41am |
re: #468 MandyManners
Somebody send a waaahmmmbulance to Maddow.
Uh, sounds like somebody needs to send the waaaambulance to Scott Brown. He's so pathetic he has to scare up campaign cash by using a lesbian bogeyman? Really?
478 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:01:34am |
re: #473 Oh no...Sand People!
Good grief. There are already so many loose nukes out in the world via Russia. When I lived in Bulgaria I could have bought my very own RPG just for fun, *za kef*!, just through some black market connections. I could have even outfitted an entire group. I am sure if I wanted to kick it up a notch who knows what else I could have gotten my hands on.
This is pure, "now the world loves us...right?" shenanigans.
Yeah Obama is trying to reduce the world's nuclear weapons stockpiles just like that huge pacifist pussy Ronald Reagan.
479 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:02:23am |
re: #475 Alouette
How many times does it have to be pointed out that Ramat Shlomo is not even in East Jerusalem.
It doesn't matter, it doesn't fit Dr. Cordells meme.
480 | lawhawk Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:02:39am |
re: #460 drcordell
The building in East Jerusalem isn't because there is nowhere left to build. It's to solidify Israel's control over East Jerusalem and effectively preclude the possibility of it becoming the Palestinian capitol.
The construction being proposed isn't in East Jerusalem, but in Northern Jerusalem, which was behind the Green Line.
And, as I've repeatedly pointed out, housing isn't the impediment to peace - it's the steadfast refusal by the Palestinians to accept Israel's very existence in any border configuration. They complain bitterly about Israel exercising its rights within its own borders, restoring Jewish sites destroyed by the Jordanians in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem, etc.
481 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:02:56am |
re: #469 Ericus58
I miss RWR. I had to put up with Jimmah Carter for my first CinC, the RWR, then GWHB, then WJC. Only Jimmy really gets my loathing.
482 | Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:03:13am |
re: #476 drcordell
Uh, sounds like somebody needs to send the waaambulance to Scott Brown. He's so pathetic he has to scare up campaign cash by using a lesbian bogeyman? Really?
Like this?
[Link: www.politico.com...]
483 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:03:47am |
re: #475 Alouette
How many times does it have to be pointed out that Ramat Shlomo is not even in East Jerusalem.
Where did I mention Ramat Shlomo? Nowhere. I'm referring overall to the status of negotiations between Obama and Netanyahu. And those discussions are explicitly hinging on building in East Jerusalem.
[Link: haaretz.com...]
Instead of leaving the Palestinian issue aside and focusing on Iran, as he would like, Netanyahu now finds himself fighting for the legitimacy of Israeli control over East Jerusalem.
484 | Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:04:31am |
re: #483 drcordell
Dr 'The goalposts move at all costs' Cordell.
486 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:04:50am |
re: #480 lawhawk
The construction being proposed isn't in East Jerusalem, but in Northern Jerusalem, which was behind the Green Line.
And, as I've repeatedly pointed out, housing isn't the impediment to peace - it's the steadfast refusal by the Palestinians to accept Israel's very existence in any border configuration. They complain bitterly about Israel exercising its rights within its own borders, restoring Jewish sites destroyed by the Jordanians in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem, etc.
I'm just going by what I have read in the Times of London, the Washington Post and Haaretz. Every article specifically mentions that the point of contention is settlement in East Jerusalem. This isn't some "meme" that I have made up.
487 | lawhawk Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:05:07am |
re: #483 drcordell
And the reason that it's in question is because the media doesn't bother looking at a map to see where the housing projects are proposed, or that housing isn't even the issue - it's the Palestinians who continue to refuse to allow for Israel's existence.
488 | Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:05:32am |
re: #486 drcordell
I'm just going by what I have read in the Times of London, the Washington Post and Haaretz. Every article specifically mentions that the point of contention is settlement in East Jerusalem. This isn't some "meme" that I have made up.
Since they aren't Fox is must be true then huh?
489 | lawhawk Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:05:45am |
re: #486 drcordell
No, it's a meme you've bought into by a media that is lazy and doesn't bother reading a map to see where the housing is being proposed.
490 | darthstar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:05:45am |
Update on the Cantor lie:
1. The building the office is in isn't in Cantor's district.
2. The office isn't even listed on Cantor's website.
3. The office had nothing identifying it as Cantor's.
4. The office is in a building with other offices.
5. The window the bullet went through wasn't one of the windows on Cantor's office.
Summary: A random bullet hitting an office not Eric Cantor's in a building not in Eric Cantor's district, but where he has an office not listed that contains no identifying political signage constitutes an attack on Eric Cantor and demands a press conference minimizing threats against Democrats because a window not his was broken by a bullet that came from somewhere.
491 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:06:05am |
re: #462 drcordell
How many times over does the world need to be destroyed? 50, 100, 200? We don't need that many warheads, and Russia can't afford to keep that many warheads. Signing a treaty to have them decommissioned makes sure they don't end up in the hands of terrorists.
Signing a treaty does no such thing. I guess if you think either side will play fair and abide by their treaty obligations but we don't have much evidence of that now do we?
492 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:06:25am |
re: #484 Oh no...Sand People!
Dr 'The goalposts move at all costs' Cordell.
Where have I moved the goalposts? I'm specifically referring to what I have read in all of the articles describing Obamas meeting with Bibi. And every single article describes the point of contention as settlements in "East Jerusalem." Now whether or not that's referring to the settlements you are speaking of, I don't know.
493 | Dante41 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:06:28am |
494 | Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:06:54am |
re: #478 drcordell
Yeah Obama is trying to reduce the world's nuclear weapons stockpiles just like that huge pacifist pussy Ronald Reagan.
Exactly!
/
495 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:06:55am |
re: #489 lawhawk
No, it's a meme you've bought into by a media that is lazy and doesn't bother reading a map to see where the housing is being proposed.
No kidding, and now he's trying to deny it.
496 | laZardo Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:07:48am |
re: #492 drcordell
The problem is that the boundaries of "East Jerusalem" and its surrounding zones tend to fluctuate depending on who you ask.
497 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:07:51am |
re: #491 RogueOne
Signing a treaty does no such thing. I guess if you think either side will play fair and abide by their treaty obligations but we don't have much evidence of that now do we?
Yeah. Only Communist lovers like Ronald Reagan sign missile reduction treaties. Just give it up already. It's a perfectly legitimate goal to seek the reduction of nuclear warheads. And there are many ways of verifying treaty compliance.
498 | darthstar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:08:05am |
re: #476 drcordell
Uh, sounds like somebody needs to send the waaambulance to Scott Brown. He's so pathetic he has to scare up campaign cash by using a HOT, INTELLIGENT lesbian bogeyman? Really?
FTFY
499 | lawhawk Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:08:12am |
Update on the Korean situation. Some reports are claiming that torpedoes were fired. 24 hour rule in effect as the circumstances are definitely fuzzy.
500 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:08:13am |
re: #490 darthstar
Update on the Cantor lie:
1. The building the office is in isn't in Cantor's district.
2. The office isn't even listed on Cantor's website.
3. The office had nothing identifying it as Cantor's.
4. The office is in a building with other offices.
5. The window the bullet went through wasn't one of the windows on Cantor's office.Summary: A random bullet hitting an office not Eric Cantor's in a building not in Eric Cantor's district, but where he has an office not listed that contains no identifying political signage constitutes an attack on Eric Cantor and demands a press conference minimizing threats against Democrats because a window not his was broken by a bullet that came from somewhere.
I still say they shot it because it was the "reagan" building. PROVE ME WRONG!//
501 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:08:20am |
re: #492 drcordell
Where have I moved the goalposts? I'm specifically referring to what I have read in all of the articles describing Obamas meeting with Bibi. And every single article describes the point of contention as settlements in "East Jerusalem." Now whether or not that's referring to the settlements you are speaking of, I don't know.
Well, you need to learn a little, instead of just spouting off. The current dust up is ALL BAOUT Ramat Shlomo. That's what started the current round of controversy.
502 | Dante41 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:08:40am |
re: #403 thedopefishlives
So let me get this straight. The eeebil Joos are firing rockets at, and killing ... themselves ... in order to drag ... themselves ... into a war against the people commonly referred to as Palestinians. Yeah, and 9/11 was an inside job.
Yeah. When it comes to conspiracy theorists, you can't logic them out a point that they didn't logic themselves into. Trust me, I have dealt with this shit before.
503 | Jadespring Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:09:11am |
re: #491 RogueOne
Signing a treaty does no such thing. I guess if you think either side will play fair and abide by their treaty obligations but we don't have much evidence of that now do we?
If that's the case then it really doesn't matter whether the treaty is signed or not, so no real need to get squinchy about it. It's just a political show.
504 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:09:55am |
I didn't find this in the news release from the U.N. in No. 415.
The 47-nation body didn’t call for similar payments by Palestinians to Israelis. The resolution was opposed by the United States and five European countries.
Israeli Ambassador Aharon Leshno-Yaar said the resolution was biased and defamatory, and would do nothing to bring Palestinians and Israelis closer together.
SNIP
The council, which has been criticized for excessively focusing on Israel in the past, approved four other resolutions condemning the Jewish state on Wednesday.
SNIP
505 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:10:09am |
re: #502 Dante41
"Logic? The man's talking about Logic! You green blooded, inhuman...We're talking about universal armeggedon"!
506 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:10:46am |
re: #472 lawhawk
The nuclear weapons that are decommissioned are actually turned into energy stocks - diluting the enriched uranium is easier and cheaper than enriching naturally occurring uranium. Much of the current supply of nuclear fuel for nuclear reactors is coming from deactivated nuclear weapons.
A problem, however, with reducing the number of nuclear weapons is that once you fall below a certain point, it becomes possible that a county would see an advantage to taking out the other because you'd be able to eliminate the second strike capability - eliminating or vastly reducing the MAD quotient.
It also makes the situation more difficult when dealing with rogue nations.
Eggzactly.
507 | Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:10:59am |
David Frum, AEI SPLIT: Conservative's Position 'Terminated' By Major Think Tank
Frum tells Mike Allen that "donor pressure" related to his "Waterloo" post was indeed responsible for his termination. Frum claims "the core of the story is the kind of economic pressure that intellectual conservatives are under" -- meaning AEI couldn't risk displeasing its base by keeping Frum on after he criticized the Republican Party. "[T]he elite isn't leading anymore," said Frum. "It's trapped."
I guess that's populism in action.
508 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:11:11am |
re: #504 MandyManners
Ah yes the Useless Nitwits of Turtle Bay. Goddamn assholes.
509 | Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:11:17am |
re: #492 drcordell
Where have I moved the goalposts? I'm specifically referring to what I have read in all of the articles describing Obamas meeting with Bibi. And every single article describes the point of contention as settlements in "East Jerusalem." Now whether or not that's referring to the settlements you are speaking of, I don't know.
For the sake of argument, feeling magnanimous today, I will recant the 'goalpost' comment. The greatest underlying theme for all us lizards to take from this dialogue is the 'since Fox News is officially the bad guy and we are all 'Hopey Changin' all the rest of the media is now 'truth' and gets a pass'.
Pro tip: All media sucks and has an agenda. Be wary. Fact check.
510 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:11:26am |
Did some moronic twirp post a comment here yesterday denying that Obama had snubbed Netanyahu during his recent visit to D.C.?
511 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:12:06am |
re: #497 drcordell
Yeah. Only Communist lovers like Ronald Reagan sign missile reduction treaties. Just give it up already. It's a perfectly legitimate goal to seek the reduction of nuclear warheads. And there are many ways of verifying treaty compliance.
I was only making fun of your Pollyanna view that paying the Russians to reduce their stockpile will keep weapons from falling into the wrong hands. If you had the cash in your pocket you could leave on a trip today and leave Russia with whatever weaponry you could imagine.
512 | Dante41 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:12:09am |
513 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:12:28am |
re: #486 drcordell
I'm just going by what I have read in the Times of London, the Washington Post and Haaretz. Every article specifically mentions that the point of contention is settlement in East Jerusalem. This isn't some "meme" that I have made up.
I posted a map at my blog showing exactly where the "contentious settlement" is located. If the "Times of London" "Washington Post" and "Am Haaretz" don't know how to read directions on a map, that's their problem.
515 | Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:12:59am |
re: #497 drcordell
Yeah. Only Communist lovers like Ronald Reagan sign missile reduction treaties. Just give it up already. It's a perfectly legitimate goal to seek the reduction of nuclear warheads. And there are many ways of verifying treaty compliance.
Yeah...just like all the hard scrabble fact checking on building in East Jerusalem, no?
516 | darthstar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:13:29am |
re: #507 Killgore Trout
David Frum, AEI SPLIT: Conservative's Position 'Terminated' By Major Think Tank
I guess that's populism in action.
The inmates are in charge of the asylum now.
518 | Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:13:34am |
re: #511 RogueOne
I was only making fun of your Pollyanna view that paying the Russians to reduce their stockpile will keep weapons from falling into the wrong hands. If you had the cash in your pocket you could leave on a trip today and leave Russia with whatever weaponry you could imagine.
"Red Scare" is now a myth donchaknow? Never happened and is no longer a threat...
520 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:14:01am |
re: #476 drcordell
Uh, sounds like somebody needs to send the waaambulance to Scott Brown. He's so pathetic he has to scare up campaign cash by using a lesbian bogeyman? Really?
She's just pissed 'cause her own people did this to her.
BTW, she's a lesbian? Who cares?
521 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:15:07am |
re: #520 MandyManners
She's just pissed 'cause her own people did this to her.
BTW, she's a lesbian? Who cares?
When the left can make social points by pointing sexual preference out, the same as they use race.
522 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:15:23am |
re: #520 MandyManners
She's just pissed 'cause her own people did this to her.
BTW, she's a lesbian? Who cares?
Who cares she's a lesbian? The mouth-breathing teabaggers that comprise Scott Brown's base. Duh.
523 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:16:03am |
re: #518 Oh no...Sand People!
You can buy anything you want from the russian military. All they're missing is a big box store and a catalog with glossy pictures. If you're desperate for pictures you can always pick up a copy of Janes.
524 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:16:06am |
re: #515 Oh no...Sand People!
Yeah...just like all the hard scrabble fact checking on building in East Jerusalem, no?
ZING!!!
525 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:16:21am |
re: #511 RogueOne
I was only making fun of your Pollyanna view that paying the Russians to reduce their stockpile will keep weapons from falling into the wrong hands. If you had the cash in your pocket you could leave on a trip today and leave Russia with whatever weaponry you could imagine.
It certainly can't make the situation worse by attempting to have the Russians dismantle as many nukes as possible. Even if only one missile is successfully decommissioned, that's still one less missile that could be sold.
526 | laZardo Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:16:21am |
re: #513 Alouette
Serious question though. I noticed a dotted line running from the upper left to the lower middle of the map, along with another 'enclosing' an area just to the upper right. Is that the Green Line?
527 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:16:44am |
re: #522 drcordell
Isn't Brown from Massachussetts? Didn't realize the right wing loons had a huge following in the northeast.
528 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:16:55am |
re: #525 drcordell
It certainly can't make the situation worse by attempting to have the Russians dismantle as many nukes as possible. Even if only one missile is successfully decommissioned, that's still one less missile that could be sold.
I gave you a thumbs-up for that, keep hope alive.
529 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:17:10am |
re: #522 drcordell
Who cares she's a lesbian? The mouth-breathing teabaggers that comprise Scott Brown's base. Duh.
A Tea Party organization gave Brown about $200,000.00. SEIU gave Coakely $740,000.00.
530 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:18:28am |
re: #509 Oh no...Sand People!
For the sake of argument, feeling magnanimous today, I will recant the 'goalpost' comment. The greatest underlying theme for all us lizards to take from this dialogue is the 'since Fox News is officially the bad guy and we are all 'Hopey Changin' all the rest of the media is now 'truth' and gets a pass'.
Pro tip: All media sucks and has an agenda. Be wary. Fact check.
Look man, I don't know what else to tell you. You're telling me that the Jpost and Haaretz are both incorrectly labeling the dispute as over "East Jerusalem"? As well as the Washington Post?
It's all fucking semantics either way. Call it North Jerusalem, West Jerusalem, whatever the fuck you want to call it. The point is, increased Jewish-only settlements in EastWestNorth Jerusalem are the point of contention between the U.S. and Israel.
531 | Jadespring Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:18:55am |
re: #506 MandyManners
Eggzactly.
There is absolutely no threat that any of these treaties (whether they're followed or not) are going to reduce the numbers of nukes (even if it's just paper numbers) below any sort of MAD quotient. In reality you need very few nukes (relative to the numbers that exist now) to fulfill MAD or any sort of second strike capability. Once you reach a certain number the rest is just overkill (pun intended) and if you want to get 'fiscal', a waste of taxpayer money.
532 | Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:20:35am |
re: #530 drcordell
Look man, I don't know what else to tell you. You're telling me that the Jpost and Haaretz are both incorrectly labeling the dispute as over "East Jerusalem"? As well as the Washington Post?
It's all fucking semantics either way. Call it North Jerusalem, West Jerusalem, whatever the fuck you want to call it. The point is, increased Jewish-only settlements in EastWestNorth Jerusalem are the point of contention between the U.S. and Israel.
East, North, West, and South are interchangeable now?
But fine. New topic.
533 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:20:49am |
re: #530 drcordell
Look man, I don't know what else to tell you. You're telling me that the Jpost and Haaretz are both incorrectly labeling the dispute as over "East Jerusalem"? As well as the Washington Post?
It's all fucking semantics either way. Call it North Jerusalem, West Jerusalem, whatever the fuck you want to call it. The point is, increased Jewish-only settlements in EastWestNorth Jerusalem are the point of contention between the U.S. and Israel.
You don't understand, do you. North Jerusalem is not even disputed territory. It would be like China telling you you couldn't build a tree fort in your back yard.
534 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:21:07am |
re: #526 laZardo
Serious question though. I noticed a dotted line running from the upper left to the lower middle of the map, along with another 'enclosing' an area just to the upper right. Is that the Green Line?
Yes. That is the Green Line. And Ramat Shlomo is East of that line. Hence the reason why it is described as "East Jerusalem."
536 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:22:28am |
re: #533 Walter L. Newton
You don't understand, do you. North Jerusalem is not even disputed territory. It would be like China telling you you couldn't build a tree fort in your back yard.
Uh. No. Ramat Shlomo is most certainly East of the 1967 Green Line. Whether or not Israel believes it is entitled to build East of the Green Line is a separate issue altogether. But for semantics sake, when somebody refers to "East Jerusalem" they are referring to any part of the city East of the Green Line.
537 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:23:34am |
Bailout 3.0:
Unions want Washington's help with pension funds
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]
Anger mounting over tax increases to pay for California public pensions
[Link: www.californiapensionreform.com...]
Trillion-Dollar Pension Crisis Looms Large Over America
[Link: www.iimagazine.com...]
538 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:24:46am |
re: #529 MandyManners
A Tea Party organization gave Brown about $200,000.00. SEIU gave Coakely $740,000.00.
And this has what to do with Brown raising money off of Maddow's sexual orientation?
539 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:26:00am |
re: #537 RogueOne
I want mine! Waaah! We're probably going to have to file bankruptcy due to medical bills and me being out of work with no pay and some of those pensions are over 70% of their salary at retirement. A pox on 'em.
540 | windsword Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:26:01am |
USA and Russia reach new arms control agreement
Good news, just when many thought relations with Russia were imploding.
541 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:26:32am |
re: #538 drcordell
IIRC, didn't the dems float the idea first?
542 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:26:38am |
re: #537 RogueOne
Bailout 3.0:
Unions want Washington's help with pension funds
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]Anger mounting over tax increases to pay for California public pensions
[Link: www.californiapensionreform.com...]Trillion-Dollar Pension Crisis Looms Large Over America
[Link: www.iimagazine.com...]
They need to spend some money clawing back commissions and bonuses paid to the crooks who made millions of dollars "managing" these pensions that have since imploded. The NYC apartment complex I live in just went into receivership after the $5+ billion dollar deal to purchase it a few years ago imploded. And of course one of the big California pension funds lost $250 million dollars as part of the fiasco.
543 | Soap_Man Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:27:54am |
re: #520 MandyManners
She's just pissed 'cause her own people did this to her.
I don't get that. The only people I have heard saying "Maddow will run against Scott Brown" has been Brown and his people. It seems like he started it, not her or the Mass. Democratic Party.
I'm not doubting you, I've just only heard this coming from the Brown camp. Feel free to prove me wrong.
544 | Semper Fi Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:28:04am |
A very busy 'remainder of the day' is on tap for me... Have a beautiful and safe weekend, Lizards.
Thanks again.
545 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:28:22am |
re: #541 pingjockey
IIRC, didn't the dems float the idea first?
Apparently there was a single "tweet" sent out by some MA Democratic Party official that was apparently soliciting her to "call" them. How that turns into "Rachel Maddow is running for Senate" I'm not sure.
546 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:28:56am |
re: #468 MandyManners
Somebody send a waaahmmmbulance to Maddow.
Scott Brown is a good egg. If he was just using rumors the Dems started, that's all in the game.
547 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:29:28am |
re: #545 drcordell
To borrow from Clausewitz....The fog of tweets or something like that.
548 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:30:04am |
re: #537 RogueOne
The plan expands Treasury Department and Federal Housing Administration efforts and uses funds from the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program. The administration faced a week of criticism from lawmakers and watchdog groups who say the government hasn’t helped enough homeowners stave off foreclosures.
SNIP
549 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:30:28am |
re: #538 drcordell
And this has what to do with Brown raising money off of Maddow's sexual orientation?
Could you please point to a story about Brown doing just that?
550 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:31:09am |
551 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:31:27am |
re: #504 MandyManners
I didn't find this in the news release from the U.N. in No. 415.
SNIP
More Israel bashing and Jew-hate from the league leaders.
552 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:31:41am |
I din't know Maddow was gay! Don't care either.
553 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:32:00am |
re: #543 Soap_Man
I don't get that. The only people I have heard saying "Maddow will run against Scott Brown" has been Brown and his people. It seems like he started it, not her or the Mass. Democratic Party.
I'm not doubting you, I've just only heard this coming from the Brown camp. Feel free to prove me wrong.
Feel free to e-mail the Boston Herald reporter in the story linked to in No. 468.
555 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:32:48am |
re: #548 MandyManners
SNIP
So people who have no business buying homes are STILL getting handouts from the government. I'm sorry, maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but whatever happened to personal responsibility and spending within your means? I saved for FIVE FUCKING YEARS to buy the house I just moved into, and it was at the limit of my budget even then.
556 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:32:52am |
re: #546 Dark_Falcon
Scott Brown is a good egg. If he was just using rumors the Dems started, that's all in the game.
But, he's a Republican. He must be lying.
557 | Soap_Man Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:33:44am |
re: #546 Dark_Falcon
Scott Brown is a good egg. If he was just using rumors the Dems started, that's all in the game.
People float names a lot, which is usually funny. The person isn't involved at all, but it gains so much media traction that they have to hold a press conference to debunk something they had nothing to do with.
A perfect example happened right here in Illinois. Remember after Ryan dropped out and the GOP was panicking that Obama would cruise to victory? So they started floating these rumors that Ditka was going to run against Obama. Ditka was oblivious to the whole thing, but it got to the point where the lead story on every local broadcast was "Will Da Coach take on Obama?"
So then he had a press conference debunking something he had nothing to do with. And as a side note, he never once referred to Obama by name. He kept calling him "the other guy." I don't think this was meant to be insulting at all; I'm willing to bet Ditka didn't even know his name (or maybe he knew his name, but was concerned about mispronouncing it and looking foolish.)
558 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:33:50am |
re: #551 Dark_Falcon
More Israel bashing and Jew-hate from the league leaders.
The Arab League is gonna' give the PA $500,000,000.00 per an article I linked above.
559 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:34:04am |
If the Jewish state disappeared tomorrow, what would change? Not a damn thing, except the islamists would have a clearer field to slaughter more of their co-religionists...see Pakistan.
560 | laZardo Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:34:07am |
Mmkay. I went on Google Maps where Alouette sourced her article, and yes I am going to brace for a swift bashing.
Apparently there are a number of suburbs north and west of Jerusalem (not necessarily IN Jerusalem) that are on the Palestinian side of the Green Line, including Givat Ze'ev, the specific settlement mentioned in the article.
The dotted line represents the Green Line, but it also splits off to the left of the map at the "1949 Armistice Line."
There, I said it. Take it as you will.
561 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:34:16am |
re: #505 pingjockey
"Logic? The man's talking about Logic! We're talking about universal Armageddon! You green blooded, inhuman..."
Quote corrected for order of sentences. You had McCoy's statement from the scene in Star Trek II correct but the last two were in the wrong order. When I was a kid, I saw that movie so many times that that scene is one of several I memorized.
562 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:34:21am |
re: #549 MandyManners
Could you please point to a story about Brown doing just that?
The fundraising email he sent out seeking funds to defeat Maddow as his challenger. It didn't say "ZOMG SHES A DYKE" on it, but it's common knowledge that Maddow is a homosexual. Considering she's not even running, why else would he use her "threat" as a fundraising tool?
563 | Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:34:35am |
re: #551 Dark_Falcon
More Israel bashing and Jew-hate from the league leaders.
I think the Jordanians should have to pay the Palis for reparations for 'Black September'.
Estimates of the number of the people killed in the ten days of Black September range from three thousand to more than five thousand, although exact numbers are unknown. The Palestinian death toll in 11 days of fighting was estimated by Jordan at 3,400, while Palestinian sources often cite the number 10,000 mainly civilians killed. Arafat at some point claimed that 20,000 had been killed.[20] The Western reporters were concentrated at the Intercontinental Hotel, away from the action.[citation needed] Nasser's state-controlled Voice of the Arabs from Cairo reported genocide.
Wikipedia under Black September.
But, no, it's always the JOOOOUUUIIIIICE!
564 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:34:41am |
re: #555 thedopefishlives
So people who have no business buying homes are STILL getting handouts from the government. I'm sorry, maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but whatever happened to personal responsibility and spending within your means? I saved for FIVE FUCKING YEARS to buy the house I just moved into, and it was at the limit of my budget even then.
You don't like stepping into the looking glass?
565 | Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:35:14am |
re: #555 thedopefishlives
So people who have no business buying homes are STILL getting handouts from the government. I'm sorry, maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but whatever happened to personal responsibility and spending within your means? I saved for FIVE FUCKING YEARS to buy the house I just moved into, and it was at the limit of my budget even then.
Sucker!!
/////
567 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:35:52am |
re: #555 thedopefishlives
So people who have no business buying homes are STILL getting handouts from the government. I'm sorry, maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but whatever happened to personal responsibility and spending within your means? I saved for FIVE FUCKING YEARS to buy the house I just moved into, and it was at the limit of my budget even then.
Because when you have saved for five years to buy your home, and then every other person on your block loses their house to foreclosure, your house becomes worthless. So if you were to try and move, you would either be underwater on your mortgage, or be forced to stay in it until housing prices appreciated again. This is all an effort to staunch the bleeding and keep housing prices up.
568 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:36:30am |
re: #526 laZardo
Serious question though. I noticed a dotted line running from the upper left to the lower middle of the map, along with another 'enclosing' an area just to the upper right. Is that the Green Line?
I lived in Jerusalem in the early '70's in the Matersdorf neighborhood, which is just west of Kiryat Zanz on the far left side of the map. All that area where Ramat Shlomo was an uninhabited "no man's land." In no way can it be considered part of "traditionally Arab (since 1936)" "East Jerusalem"
569 | albusteve Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:36:34am |
re: #537 RogueOne
Bailout 3.0:
Unions want Washington's help with pension funds
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]Anger mounting over tax increases to pay for California public pensions
[Link: www.californiapensionreform.com...]Trillion-Dollar Pension Crisis Looms Large Over America
[Link: www.iimagazine.com...]
here it comes, and it's streamrolling right toward your pocket book...you will get to help bail out CA fatcats
570 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:36:46am |
re: #562 drcordell
The fundraising email he sent out seeking funds to defeat Maddow as his challenger. It didn't say "ZOMG SHES A DYKE" on it, but it's common knowledge that Maddow is a homosexual. Considering she's not even running, why else would he use her "threat" as a fundraising tool?
So, responding to rumors put out by Democrats makes one a hater of homosexuality?
Fucking idiocy.
571 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:36:49am |
re: #561 Dark_Falcon
Also, IMO the best Star Trek movie. Great villian, great shoot 'em up, etc.
572 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:37:06am |
re: #557 Soap_Man
People float names a lot, which is usually funny. The person isn't involved at all, but it gains so much media traction that they have to hold a press conference to debunk something they had nothing to do with.
A perfect example happened right here in Illinois. Remember after Ryan dropped out and the GOP was panicking that Obama would cruise to victory? So they started floating these rumors that Ditka was going to run against Obama. Ditka was oblivious to the whole thing, but it got to the point where the lead story on every local broadcast was "Will Da Coach take on Obama?"
So then he had a press conference debunking something he had nothing to do with. And as a side note, he never once referred to Obama by name. He kept calling him "the other guy." I don't think this was meant to be insulting at all; I'm willing to bet Ditka didn't even know his name (or maybe he knew his name, but was concerned about mispronouncing it and looking foolish.)
That's going on with Petreus now, he had to come out again yesterday and say "no way, never, not gonna run" again.
573 | MrSilverDragon Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:37:11am |
re: #558 MandyManners
The Arab League is gonna' give the PA $500,000,000.00 per an article I linked above.
...and the Palestinian people are going to see none of it, I'm betting.
574 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:37:39am |
re: #570 MandyManners
So, responding to rumors put out by Democrats makes one a hater of homosexuality?
Yes, and criticizing the president makes you a racist!
/
575 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:37:41am |
So, the mere mention of someone's name means one hates homosexuality?
576 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:37:44am |
re: #570 MandyManners
So, responding to rumors put out by Democrats makes one a hater of homosexuality?
Fucking idiocy.
Right. The "rumor" that nobody had heard of or repeated until Scott Brown decided to fundraise off it.
577 | Soap_Man Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:38:11am |
re: #572 RogueOne
That's going on with Petreus now, he had to come out again yesterday and say "no way, never, not gonna run" again.
The sad thing for the GOP is that Petreus would be a kick-ass presidential candidate.
578 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:38:13am |
re: #573 MrSilverDragon
...and the Palestinian people are going to see none of it, I'm betting.
Did they even get a new, red folder?
579 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:38:59am |
re: #567 drcordell
Because when you have saved for five years to buy your home, and then every other person on your block loses their house to foreclosure, your house becomes worthless. So if you were to try and move, you would either be underwater on your mortgage, or be forced to stay in it until housing prices appreciated again. This is all an effort to staunch the bleeding and keep housing prices up.
As far as I'm concerned, let the housing market crash if that's what it takes. Propping up irresponsibility is not the right way to handle this situation. Bad lending and bad borrowing should not be rewarded by government handouts, even if it would have ramifications for people who legitimately borrowed within their means. "Too big to fail", anyone?
580 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:39:12am |
re: #575 MandyManners
So, the mere mention of someone's name means one hates homosexuality?
Never said he hates homosexuals. I said he's attempting to fundraise of his base's dislike of homosexuals. And don't try and spin me some bullshit about how the GOP base feels about gays. It's more than clear that they feel homosexuals should not be treated as equals in society.
581 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:39:28am |
re: #578 MandyManners
Nope. That got buried with arafish.
582 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:39:32am |
re: #530 drcordell
Look man, I don't know what else to tell you. You're telling me that the Jpost and Haaretz are both incorrectly labeling the dispute as over "East Jerusalem"? As well as the Washington Post?
Yes, that is exactly what I am telling you, because they are all too fucking lazy to look at a map.
583 | laZardo Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:39:41am |
re: #577 Soap_Man
The sad thing for the GOP is that Petreus would be a kick-ass presidential candidate.
Not quite up to the same degree as Eisenhower (i.e. all of Western Europe compared to one Middle Eastern country), but close.
584 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:39:47am |
re: #557 Soap_Man
People float names a lot, which is usually funny. The person isn't involved at all, but it gains so much media traction that they have to hold a press conference to debunk something they had nothing to do with.
A perfect example happened right here in Illinois. Remember after Ryan dropped out and the GOP was panicking that Obama would cruise to victory? So they started floating these rumors that Ditka was going to run against Obama. Ditka was oblivious to the whole thing, but it got to the point where the lead story on every local broadcast was "Will Da Coach take on Obama?"
So then he had a press conference debunking something he had nothing to do with. And as a side note, he never once referred to Obama by name. He kept calling him "the other guy." I don't think this was meant to be insulting at all; I'm willing to bet Ditka didn't even know his name (or maybe he knew his name, but was concerned about mispronouncing it and looking foolish.)
Good memory. Well, dropping candidate names is a time-honored tradition of both sides. Its sometimes wrong-headed, but its not actually sleazy.
585 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:39:50am |
re: #577 Soap_Man
The sad thing for the GOP is that Petreus would be a kick-ass presidential candidate.
I go back and forth on generals as politicians. I know this will go against the meme but generals are some of the biggest pacifists we have to offer.
586 | Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:40:02am |
re: #567 drcordell
Because when you have saved for five years to buy your home, and then every other person on your block loses their house to foreclosure, your house becomes worthless. So if you were to try and move, you would either be underwater on your mortgage, or be forced to stay in it until housing prices appreciated again. This is all an effort to staunch the bleeding and keep housing prices up.
I don't even know where to begin with my hacksaw. So I won't...I'll just bold it.
587 | The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:40:17am |
re: #523 RogueOne
You can buy anything you want from the russian military. All they're missing is a big box store and a catalog with glossy pictures. If you're desperate for pictures you can always pick up a copy of Janes.
How humiliating must it be to have your once-proud air force be turned into a carnival ride?
588 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:40:19am |
re: #568 Alouette
I lived in Jerusalem in the early '70's in the Matersdorf neighborhood, which is just west of Kiryat Zanz on the far left side of the map. All that area where Ramat Shlomo was an uninhabited "no man's land." In no way can it be considered part of "traditionally Arab (since 1936)" "East Jerusalem"
That is your definition. And I have no doubt that many people feel that way. But that doesn't change the fact that Ramat Shlomo is East of the 1967 Green Line. That's why it's referred to as East Jerusalem.
589 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:40:20am |
re: #580 drcordell
You have no idea about how I feel about gays.
590 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:40:47am |
re: #571 pingjockey
Also, IMO the best Star Trek movie. Great villian, great shoot 'em up, etc.
Quite Concur.
591 | laZardo Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:40:53am |
I'm guessing that when it comes to Scott Brown, it doesn't matter if he personally hates gays or not, the fact that he's sharing the same party affiliation with the teabaggers means he'll inevitably be tangled up in their campaign/support efforts.
592 | Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:40:59am |
David Frum and the Closing of the Conservative Mind
by Bruce Bartlett
Since, he is no longer affiliated with AEI, I feel free to say publicly something he told me in private a few months ago. He asked if I had noticed any comments by AEI "scholars" on the subject of health care reform. I said no and he said that was because they had been ordered not to speak to the media because they agreed with too much of what Obama was trying to do.It saddened me to hear this. I have always hoped that my experience was unique. But now I see that I was just the first to suffer from a closing of the conservative mind. Rigid conformity is being enforced, no dissent is allowed, and the conservative brain will slowly shrivel into dementia if it hasn't already.
593 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:41:17am |
re: #586 Oh no...Sand People!
I don't even know where to begin with my hacksaw. So I won't...I'll just bold it.
You are challenging the assertion that foreclosures drive down the property values of homeowners in the same neighborhood?
594 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:41:18am |
re: #576 drcordell
Right. The "rumor" that nobody had heard of or repeated until Scott Brown decided to fundraise off it.
From No. 469,
Earlier this month, radio yakker Bill Dwight and another man created a Facebook page titled “Rachel Maddow for U.S. Senator from Massachusetts in 2012.”
A few days later, John Walsh, chairman of the state Democratic Party, sent a curious “tweet” to his Twitter followers that included his contact information and read, “Some are talking about you running vs Scott Brown in ’12.”
Walsh has said he won’t disclose who the “tweet” was meant for until he gets 1,000 Twitter followers, but he never tamped down rampant speculation it was Maddow.
Walsh refused to clear the air last night, saying he’s never spoken to Maddow.
“Rachel Maddow can handle her own battles,” he told the Herald. “The goofy speculation on my tweet is a pretty thin excuse for a fund-raising letter.”
Enter Gov. Deval Patrick, who told reporters Wednesday that he found a possible Maddow-Brown showdown “very intriguing” - and the host herself “fabulous.”
SNIP
Are you calling Dwight, Walsh and Patrck liars?
595 | lawhawk Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:41:55am |
re: #567 drcordell
Keep housing prices up? You mean keep them unaffordable and preventing the market from correcting to actual market conditions because in some parts of the country the real estate market got so overheated from speculators and the flow of easy credit that prices appreciated far more than anyone should have expected.
The foreclosures are necessary to bring the real estate markets into alignment with current market values and programs that delay that process actually make the situation worse since it shifts the risk of loss from those transactions on to the taxpayers rather than the banks and the borrowers who were directly involved in those transactions.
596 | Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:42:09am |
597 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:42:10am |
re: #580 drcordell
Never said he hates homosexuals. I said he's attempting to fundraise of his base's dislike of homosexuals. And don't try and spin me some bullshit about how the GOP base feels about gays. It's more than clear that they feel homosexuals should not be treated as equals in society.
The "L" word he used to raise money was liberal, not lesbian. Do you think the 70% of independents in his district that voted for him give a crap about Maddow being gay?
598 | albusteve Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:42:29am |
re: #586 Oh no...Sand People!
I don't even know where to begin with my hacksaw. So I won't...I'll just bold it.
some people are relentless victims, complete with a record...they want their situation ideal and they want the feds to provide it for them...one step at a time
599 | Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:42:32am |
re: #593 drcordell
You are challenging the assertion that foreclosures drive down the property values of homeowners in the same neighborhood?
You think that EVERY person on the block is in foreclosure?
600 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:42:34am |
re: #583 laZardo
Not quite up to the same degree as Eisenhower (i.e. all of Western Europe compared to one Middle Eastern country), but close.
I would actually argue Petreus is a better general than Ike. He's been in combat, and Ike never actually fought.
601 | MJ Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:42:40am |
We Will Decapitate the Jews and Rip Their Hearts from Their Bodies
On March 20, 2010, the Gaza-based Salafi-jihadi group Jama'at Al-Tawhid wa'l-Jihad (JTJ) issued a communiqué on the recent confrontations at the Al-Aqsa Mosque and on the Israeli declaration of holy places in Hebron and Bethlehem as national heritage sites. The communiqué focuses its fire primarily on the Arab regimes, "the 'ulama of evil," and Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, all of whom the JTJ attacks for having betrayed the cause. Following are excerpts:
…"The lowliest of Allah's creation, the Jews, are making the pilgrimage to the first qibla [i.e. Jerusalem], borne on corrupt evangelical belief and delusions, after having had the audacity to include Al-Haram Al-Ibrahimi [i.e. the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron] and the Bilal [Ibn Rabah] Mosque [i.e. Rachel's Tomb in Bethlehem] in the so-called 'Jewish heritage.' This is occurring at a time when the armies of the Muslims number in the millions, and their heavy and light weapons are rusting by the day in their silos – or else we see them turned to wage war on the mujahideen or to repress [their] peoples....
..."As for the descendants of apes and pigs [i.e. the Jews], we bring them the tidings that the wave of jihad is inexorably coming, and they, Allah willing, will taste the bitterness of the blows of the sincere and the harsh imprint of the monotheists [i.e. the Salafi-jihadis] on their lives and their property.
[Link: www.memrijttm.org...]
602 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:42:41am |
re: #580 drcordell
Never said he hates homosexuals. I said he's attempting to fundraise of his base's dislike of homosexuals. And don't try and spin me some bullshit about how the GOP base feels about gays. It's more than clear that they feel homosexuals should not be treated as equals in society.
Massachusetts is filled with SoCons? Really?
604 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:43:09am |
re: #594 MandyManners
From No. 469,
Earlier this month, radio yakker Bill Dwight and another man created a Facebook page titled “Rachel Maddow for U.S. Senator from Massachusetts in 2012.”
A few days later, John Walsh, chairman of the state Democratic Party, sent a curious “tweet” to his Twitter followers that included his contact information and read, “Some are talking about you running vs Scott Brown in ’12.”
Walsh has said he won’t disclose who the “tweet” was meant for until he gets 1,000 Twitter followers, but he never tamped down rampant speculation it was Maddow.
Walsh refused to clear the air last night, saying he’s never spoken to Maddow.
“Rachel Maddow can handle her own battles,” he told the Herald. “The goofy speculation on my tweet is a pretty thin excuse for a fund-raising letter.”
Enter Gov. Deval Patrick, who told reporters Wednesday that he found a possible Maddow-Brown showdown “very intriguing” - and the host herself “fabulous.”
SNIP
Are you calling Dwight, Walsh and Patrck liars?
So now all it takes is a facebook page to consider someone a legitimate candidate for office? If I set up a page "DrCordell for NY Senate 2012" you think Chuck Schumer is going to send out an e-mail blast about my candidacy?
605 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:43:13am |
re: #560 laZardo
Mmkay. I went on Google Maps where Alouette sourced her article, and yes I am going to brace for a swift bashing.
Apparently there are a number of suburbs north and west of Jerusalem (not necessarily IN Jerusalem) that are on the Palestinian side of the Green Line, including Givat Ze'ev, the specific settlement mentioned in the article.
The dotted line represents the Green Line, but it also splits off to the left of the map at the "1949 Armistice Line."
There, I said it. Take it as you will.
The 1949 armistice line represents the point at which Israel and the Jordanian Army agreed to a cease fire. It is not a cast in stone international border and it does not represent a delineation of "Palestinian owned land" since no Palestinians own that land.
606 | Joo-LiZ Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:43:13am |
re: #445 pingjockey
Does Israel have a housing shortage? I don't know how many people they had to resettle after giving Gaza to the Palis.
They removed somewhere between 8000-10000 Jews from Gaza, and the majority (I'd say over 6,000) are still living in temporary camps in Israel.
The government did a SHIT job relocating them. I've seen people comment that it was a BIG mistake on the part of the left. If they wanted Israelis to be amenable to more evacuation of settlements, they should have made sure those removed from Gaza were dealt with efficiently and well, instead they have been left to their own devices.
Yesterday, I was somewhat defensive of Obama against the view that he "left Netanyahu sitting". I think regardless of the specifics of the WH meeting, there are clearly major differences between Obama and Israel.
It has been reported that Obama wants Israel to withdraw to the positions held in the West Bank as of 2000, before the Second Intifada, and Israel has until Saturday to respond so that Obama can take it to the Arab League in Libya.
It's really scary/absurd times (*as an aside: not just in terms of Israel but also with the domestic crazies*). As much as I want to give Obama the benefit of the doubt re: Israel -- simply that he is harder on the Israelis than previous Presidents, but ultimately still backs them -- I'm having more and more trouble as the events of the past weeks unfold. I think Obama really thinks his demands are in the best interest of Israel, but I just can't shake the feeling Obama is going to get royally screwed by the Arab world, and take Netanyahu with him.
I fear what unilateral concessions Bibi will give in trying to convince Obama Israel wants peace. Netanyahu instinctively recognizes the Palestinians/Arabs/Iranians as his enemies and conversely thinks of the US instinctively as Israel's friend. It is much harder to know where to the draw line when the demands of your enemies are being made through your friends.
To those who doubt the veracity of the stories of Bibi's treatment in the WH from sources like YNet and the Times. I fully respect that. I'm also sceptical, but regardless of the details, the overall atmosphere is highly negative, and the US has done nothing to disspell that except to repeatedly utter the platitudes of "unbreakable bonds" and "close allies". Undoubtedly, some will point out that there has not yet been a removal of military aid and arms sales, the US voted against several UNHRC resolutions, all that sort of thing. I am not saying the US-Israel alliance is breaking. What I do see, however, is that the friendship is being strained by the administration.
To those who said that you'd believe stories of his mistreatment when you hear it from Bibi... I just want to point out Bibi will not publicly complain. He is far to diplomatic for that.
I really don't envy Bibi's position at the moment.
607 | laZardo Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:43:32am |
re: #595 lawhawk
Keep housing prices up? You mean keep them unaffordable and preventing the market from correcting to actual market conditions because in some parts of the country the real estate market got so overheated from speculators and the flow of easy credit that prices appreciated far more than anyone should have expected.
The foreclosures are necessary to bring the real estate markets into alignment with current market values and programs that delay that process actually make the situation worse since it shifts the risk of loss from those transactions on to the taxpayers rather than the banks and the borrowers who were directly involved in those transactions.
Plus it makes houses cheaper if and when me and my family decide to come back to the States. :D
As for the lack of neighbors, well... >_>;
608 | The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:43:36am |
re: #555 thedopefishlives
So people who have no business buying homes are STILL getting handouts from the government. I'm sorry, maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but whatever happened to personal responsibility and spending within your means? I saved for FIVE FUCKING YEARS to buy the house I just moved into, and it was at the limit of my budget even then.
Sucker.
//
609 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:43:41am |
re: #599 Oh no...Sand People!
You think that EVERY person on the block is in foreclosure?
In some neighborhoods, hell yes.
610 | Obdicut Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:43:44am |
re: #594 MandyManners
Wow, that's some very thin reasoning.
Why didn't Brown call Maddow and ask if she was running?
Wouldn't that have been at the least, polite?
611 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:44:09am |
Is any criticism of a Liberal gonna' be labelled as a dog whistle regarding homosexuality?
612 | Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:44:13am |
re: #595 lawhawk
Keep housing prices up? You mean keep them unaffordable and preventing the market from correcting to actual market conditions because in some parts of the country the real estate market got so overheated from speculators and the flow of easy credit that prices appreciated far more than anyone should have expected.
The foreclosures are necessary to bring the real estate markets into alignment with current market values and programs that delay that process actually make the situation worse since it shifts the risk of loss from those transactions on to the taxpayers rather than the banks and the borrowers who were directly involved in those transactions.
*Dons econ 101 tinfoil hat*: These economic policies are directly aimed at *effing* the economy.
613 | Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:44:36am |
Some nice morning music....
homem pássaro no chiado
614 | lawhawk Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:44:47am |
615 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:44:55am |
re: #555 thedopefishlives
So people who have no business buying homes are STILL getting handouts from the government. I'm sorry, maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but whatever happened to personal responsibility and spending within your means? I saved for FIVE FUCKING YEARS to buy the house I just moved into, and it was at the limit of my budget even then.
617 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:45:01am |
re: #593 drcordell
You are challenging the assertion that foreclosures drive down the property values of homeowners in the same neighborhood?
Not just foreclosures. When units in your building don't sell, you values go down. I'd say more but I don't want to talk about where I live these days. Suffice it to say, I hope I can benefit from this particular Obama program.
618 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:45:28am |
re: #608 The Sanity Inspector
Sucker.
//
Yes, I'm sure my dad's saying right now, "If only I'd raised my son to be a spoiled-rotten slacker, he could have a free house on the government dime rather than paying his own mortgage and being a responsible citizen."/
619 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:46:00am |
re: #604 drcordell
So now all it takes is a facebook page to consider someone a legitimate candidate for office? If I set up a page "DrCordell for NY Senate 2012" you think Chuck Schumer is going to send out an e-mail blast about my candidacy?
Why ask me? Why not ask Dwight? Walsh? Patrick?
Face it. You were WRONG.
620 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:46:06am |
re: #605 Alouette
The 1949 armistice line represents the point at which Israel and the Jordanian Army agreed to a cease fire. It is not a cast in stone international border and it does not represent a delineation of "Palestinian owned land" since no Palestinians own that land.
Nobody is saying the borders are cast in stone or legal. The point is, the border between "East" and "West" Jerusalem is the Green Line. When the term "East Jerusalem" is used, it means East of the Green line. Use of the term does not speak to the legitimacy or illegitimacy of Israeli settlements in East Jerusalem.
621 | The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:46:29am |
re: #569 albusteve
here it comes, and it's streamrolling right toward your pocket book...you will get to help bail out CA fatcats
They need your money, they don't need your vote...recipe for plunder...
622 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:46:44am |
re: #610 Obdicut
Since when does either side call the opposition and ask who they are running?
623 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:46:44am |
re: #592 Killgore Trout
David Frum and the Closing of the Conservative Mind
by Bruce Bartlett
I posted that earlier and admitted it confused me. If Frum were tossed because he wasn't towing the AEI line this story doesn't make any sense. If the secret AEI position was they were for the HCR and Frum wrote a piece in support of Republican concessions in order to get partial credit for HCR how did he not tow the line?
624 | Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:47:19am |
re: #606 Joo-LiZ
They removed somewhere between 8000-10000 Jews from Gaza, and the majority (I'd say over 6,000) are still living in temporary camps in Israel.
I
That act alone gives Israel the right to tell the world, including the U.S.of A, to STFU, and STFD.
If I were Bibi, "We will build how, where, when, and whatever we see fit. You feeling froggy? Jump."
625 | Soap_Man Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:47:20am |
re: #584 Dark_Falcon
Good memory. Well, dropping candidate names is a time-honored tradition of both sides. Its sometimes wrong-headed, but its not actually sleazy.
I don't blame the Illinois GOP for that. They were scrambling, looking for anyone who can come in last-minute and have enough popularity and name recognition to pull out a victory.
But they failed pretty bad. Just look at the jackass they ended up running.
626 | laZardo Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:47:22am |
It's midnight, been up since 6AM ish, gonna try to neutralize my sleep deficit. Nighty.
627 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:47:29am |
re: #559 pingjockey
If the Jewish state disappeared tomorrow, what would change? Not a damn thing, except the islamists would have a clearer field to slaughter more of their co-religionists...see Pakistan.
It would be the end of the world as we know it.
628 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:47:53am |
re: #619 MandyManners
Why ask me? Why not ask Dwight? Walsh? Patrick?
Face it. You were WRONG.
I'm not the one who blasts out an e-mail to all of my supporters based on a Facebook page and a single unsourced tweet. If I were a U.S. Senator I would check my facts before embarrassing myself nationally.
630 | Obdicut Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:48:46am |
re: #622 pingjockey
Since when does either side call the opposition and ask who they are running?
I'd think that would happen quite often, really. Who is running is always one of the most important political questions in our particular arrangement.
Let me rephrase: Why didn't Brown do something to attempt to confirm the rumor, instead of immediately using a rumor as a way to raise campaign funds?
Is it really so challenging to just stick to things that are actually known to be true?
631 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:49:25am |
re: #624 Oh no...Sand People!
That act alone gives Israel the right to tell the world, including the U.S.of A, to STFU, and STFD.
If I were Bibi, "We will build how, where, when, and whatever we see fit. You feeling froggy? Jump."
He certainly is entitled to tell the U.S. whatever he wants. But telling your single strongest ally and benefactor to the tune of $2 billion dollars a year to "fuck themselves" is pretty stupid. Israeli history is full of Prime Ministers who lost their coalitions because they didn't properly manage the U.S. - Israel relationship.
632 | Obdicut Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:49:33am |
re: #623 RogueOne
The staff and the funders have different positions, is the implication.
633 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:49:46am |
re: #611 MandyManners
Is any criticism of a Liberal gonna' be labelled as a dog whistle regarding homosexuality?
By certain liberals, yes. Not by Charles, but by those who want to paint sane people like you and me as crackpots.
634 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:50:05am |
If we're going to get worked up because politicians raise money we're never going to have another topic to discuss ever. This is what they do from the moment they're elected, raise money for the next election.
635 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:50:09am |
re: #628 drcordell
I'm not the one who blasts out an e-mail to all of my supporters based on a Facebook page and a single unsourced tweet. If I were a U.S. Senator I would check my facts before embarrassing myself nationally.
Again, FROM THE ARTICLE:
However, the rumor sprang from a Facebook page launched by a liberal Northhampton radio host, was fueled by a mysterious tweet from the state Democratic party chairman and got pumped up as recently as Wednesday by the state’s Democratic governor.
636 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:50:17am |
re: #630 Obdicut
Why? What is the life blood of politics? Money, if this helps his war chest why call Maddow?
637 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:50:44am |
re: #620 drcordell
Nobody is saying the borders are cast in stone or legal. The point is, the border between "East" and "West" Jerusalem is the Green Line. When the term "East Jerusalem" is used, it means East of the Green line. Use of the term does not speak to the legitimacy or illegitimacy of Israeli settlements in East Jerusalem.
There are no settlements in East Jerusalem.
639 | Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:51:05am |
re: #623 RogueOne
I posted that earlier and admitted it confused me. If Frum were tossed because he wasn't towing the AEI line this story doesn't make any sense. If the secret AEI position was they were for the HCR and Frum wrote a piece in support of Republican concessions in order to get partial credit for HCR how did he not tow the line?
The problem is that the hired brains knew that Obama's plan was probably pretty good but the management (and donors ) wanted a different result so the just told the hired brains to keep their mouths shut. Frum broke the rule. This kind of stuff happens. About 2 years ago Ayaan Hirsi Ali was hired by the Heritage Foundation and we haven't heard a peep out of her since. Probably because she's not on board with the American religious right agenda.
640 | bratwurst Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:51:36am |
re: #576 drcordell
Right. The "rumor" that nobody had heard of or repeated until Scott Brown decided to fundraise off it.
Starting a Facebook page stating that a third person should run for office is somehow now a reliable source of info to some folks it seems.
641 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:51:36am |
re: #632 Obdicut
The staff and the funders have different positions, is the implication.
Using him as a fall guy is possible I guess. Unless he's willing to burn his bridges I don't think we'll get the whole story.
642 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:51:50am |
I won't pursue any more moved goal posts. I've dropped the rope. Now, go piss up it.
643 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:51:52am |
re: #635 MandyManners
Again, FROM THE ARTICLE:
However, the rumor sprang from a Facebook page launched by a liberal Northhampton radio host, was fueled by a mysterious tweet from the state Democratic party chairman and got pumped up as recently as Wednesday by the state’s Democratic governor.
Read your own post.
"A Facebook page"
"A mysterious tweet"
That's all the confirmation you would want before blasting out an email to hundreds of thousands of people? Facebook and a mysterious tweet.
644 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:51:59am |
re: #625 Soap_Man
I don't blame the Illinois GOP for that. They were scrambling, looking for anyone who can come in last-minute and have enough popularity and name recognition to pull out a victory.
But they failed pretty bad. Just look at the jackass they ended up running.
Yeah, Alan Keyes. I'm ashamed to admit I voted for him. Looking back on it, that time I should have voted for Obama. Barack Obama is simply a better human being than Alan Keyes. There, I said it.
645 | Obdicut Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:52:12am |
re: #636 pingjockey
Why? What is the life blood of politics? Money, if this helps his war chest why call Maddow?
Exactly. So he's purposefully not caring about the truth of the rumor because he can use it to get money.
That's all I'm saying. It's just a way for him to get people to give him money, he didn't give a shit if it was true or not.
646 | Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:52:15am |
Debunking the Fox News/Wingnut "government land grab" conspiracy.....
7 Things Glenn Beck Doesn’t Know About US Public Lands Policy
647 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:52:31am |
re: #642 MandyManners
I won't pursue any more moved goal posts. I've dropped the rope. Now, go piss up it.
Let's just hope the soap wasn't on that rope.
648 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:52:43am |
re: #640 bratwurst
Starting a Facebook page stating that a third person should run for office is somehow now a reliable source of info to some folks it seems.
One more time, the state chair of the party and the governor of Massachusetts joined in.
649 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:53:04am |
650 | Obdicut Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:53:09am |
re: #648 MandyManners
One more time, the state chair of the party and the governor of Massachusetts joined in.
What was the nature of them 'joining in', Mandy?
651 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:53:17am |
652 | Joo-LiZ Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:53:28am |
re: #631 drcordell
He certainly is entitled to tell the U.S. whatever he wants. But telling your single strongest ally and benefactor to the tune of $2 billion dollars a year to "fuck themselves" is pretty stupid. Israeli history is full of Prime Ministers who lost their coalitions because they didn't properly manage the U.S. - Israel relationship.
Yes. But history has a dearth of US Presidents who have put Israeli PMs in a position anywhere near as complicated that Netanyahu now finds himself in.
Accept Obama's demands -- huge consequences.
Reject Obama's demands -- huge consequences.
This is not a simple time.
653 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:53:42am |
re: #645 Obdicut
And the left has never, ever done anything like this. Right.
654 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:53:58am |
re: #645 Obdicut
Exactly. So he's purposefully not caring about the truth of the rumor because he can use it to get money.
That's all I'm saying. It's just a way for him to get people to give him money, he didn't give a shit if it was true or not.
Yeah that is ultimately the point I was failing to get at with my posts. I could give a shit what he emails out. Clearly he's just trying to scare up as much cash as he can to get his warchest full for the 2012 elections. I just think he ended up making himself look pretty stupid by blasting out an email full of falsehoods that easily could have been verified.
655 | Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:54:45am |
re: #652 Joo-LiZ
Yes. But history has a dearth of US Presidents who have put Israeli PMs in a position anywhere near as complicated that Netanyahu now finds himself in.
Accept Obama's demands -- huge consequences.
Reject Obama's demands -- huge consequences.This is not a simple time.
Hell, Israel better accept that they are going to be on their own very very shortly.
656 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:55:21am |
re: #637 Spare O'Lake
There are no settlements in East Jerusalem.
Depends on your definition of East Jerusalem. East of the Green Line, yes.
657 | Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:55:50am |
re: #653 pingjockey
And the left has never, ever done anything like this. Right.
The left is already fundraising off of, "The dangerous wingnuts are wingnuts and dangerous! Donate XX.XX"
658 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:55:55am |
re: #655 Oh no...Sand People!
Hell, Israel better accept that they are going to be on their own very very shortly.
In some ways, I wonder if that wouldn't work out better for the Israelis. Free from the pressure to satisfy foreign relations with anyone, they could be as aggressive as they feel is necessary to ensure their security without giving a damn about alienating their nonexistent allies.
659 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:56:05am |
Contrary to statements released by the Church in Germany, a memorandum uncovered by The New York Times suggests that Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was told that a priest had gone back to pastoral duties in Munich a few days after he started psychiatric treatment. The priest went on to commit further offences.
The latest child abuse scandal to hit the Catholic Church involves a German priest, Father Peter Hullermann, who was convicted of molesting boys in 1986. Victims have complained that repeated warnings were ignored by the Church over decades of abuse.
In 1980, the Pope was the Archbishop of Munich overseeing the archdiocese in which Father Hullermann was given a few days of treatment after sexual abuse allegations and then told he could return to work.
SNIP
660 | Obdicut Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:56:09am |
re: #651 thedopefishlives
So don't be a dope, keep your pope firmly tied to the soap-rope, even when having a grope while you elope with some girl you hope knows how to cope with the fact that you're a lycanthrope.
661 | Joo-LiZ Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:56:12am |
re: #620 drcordell
Nobody is saying the borders are cast in stone or legal. The point is, the border between "East" and "West" Jerusalem is the Green Line. When the term "East Jerusalem" is used, it means East of the Green line. Use of the term does not speak to the legitimacy or illegitimacy of Israeli settlements in East Jerusalem.
The problem with this is that the Green Line separates North, East, and South Jerusalem, as well as the Old City.
You are absolutely right in that this is how "East Jerusalem" gets used -- to mean the "other side of the Green Line" but it is very misleading as well.
662 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:56:26am |
663 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:56:29am |
re: #660 Obdicut
So don't be a dope, keep your pope firmly tied to the soap-rope, even when having a grope while you elope with some girl you hope knows how to cope with the fact that you're a lycanthrope.
If all that happened, I think I'd mope.
664 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:56:30am |
Can someone point out where Brown lied? If he lied then you can get upset, if not then for gods sakes give it a rest. Is there really nothing more to argue about other than "politicians raise money!"?
[Link: www.boston.com...]
Friends,It's only been a couple of months since I've been in office, and before I've even settled into my new job, the political machine in Massachusetts is looking for someone to run against me. And you're not going to believe who they are supposedly trying to recruit -- liberal MSNBC anchor Rachel Maddow.
Rachel lives in western Massachusetts, and recently it was reported that the chairman of the state Democratic Party had apparently tried to reach out to her in an attempt to coax her into a race against me. You can read about it here.
The political season never ends, which is why I need your continued support. While my opponents strategize on how to defeat me in 2012, I'm going to continue to speak out against higher taxes, more spending and greater government control in our lives.
I relish being an independent voice in Washington, one that doesn't march in lockstep with the rest of the Washington crowd. The Democratic Party bosses in Massachusetts disagree. They want a rubberstamp who will vote for their plans to expand government, increase debt and raise taxes. Someone like Rachel Maddow. I'm sure she's a nice person -- I just don't think America can afford her liberal politics.
Rachel Maddow has a nightly platform to push her far-left agenda. What about you? I'd like to encourage ordinary American citizens concerned about the future of their country to get more involved in our government. I hope you were encouraged by my victory to become more politically active, maybe even become a candidate for office yourself. We can continue to push our movement forward by running for office, joining in rallies and petitions that challenge President Obama and Nancy Pelosi's healthcare legislation, supporting campaigns against the tax-and-spenders or by donating time and money to office-holders and candidates who will restore the principles of our founders.
I'm grateful you are with me. Thanks again for whatever support you can provide me, and I look forward to joining in further victories with you down the line.
Sincerely,
Scott Brown
United States Senator
665 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:56:49am |
667 | Joo-LiZ Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:58:04am |
re: #658 thedopefishlives
In some ways, I wonder if that wouldn't work out better for the Israelis. Free from the pressure to satisfy foreign relations with anyone, they could be as aggressive as they feel is necessary to ensure their security without giving a damn about alienating their nonexistent allies.
As much as I want to agree with that statement, the thing I am afraid of is that Israel really does depend a good deal on not being TOTALLY internationally isolated. We like to think of Israel as strong and unstoppable, but throughout it's history, it has always been in a very tenuous position. It isn't smart to take Israel's strength for granted and have them "go it alone".
668 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:58:09am |
re: #657 Oh no...Sand People!
Why the left would never do such a thing. That would be "politics". And we all know the left is as pure as the wind driven snow.
670 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:58:46am |
re: #629 pingjockey
How so?
For one thing, there would be no more Israeli scapegoat to blame for anti-Western Islamofascist Jihadism.
671 | Obdicut Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:58:47am |
re: #653 pingjockey
And the left has never, ever done anything like this. Right.
What are you talking about? First of all, I haven't made that claim. Second of all, if you think that there is an incident like this on the left that deserves attention, call it out. I'll happily say the same thing. I think the Democrats get a lot of funding by saying things that are untrue or at least misleading about gun crimes and gun deaths-- that's one of their perennial misbehaviors.
However, that doesn't mean that therefore, Brown can't be criticized for being an ass, too.
672 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:58:55am |
re: #659 MandyManners
SNIP
this story reminds me of Watergate, and I think Pope Benedict may be headed for Nixon's fate: Forced out after his cover-up was revealed.
673 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:59:13am |
674 | drcordell Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:59:19am |
re: #661 Joo-LiZ
The problem with this is that the Green Line separates North, East, and South Jerusalem, as well as the Old City.
You are absolutely right in that this is how "East Jerusalem" gets used -- to mean the "other side of the Green Line" but it is very misleading as well.
Exactly. That is all I am saying. I used the term "East Jerusalem" to refer to the controversy over increased Israeli settlements. Just as the term is used by all of the journalists who cover the diplomatic relations between Israel in the U.S. And by the U.S. Dept. of State. And by Netanyahu's staff itself.
676 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Mar 26, 2010 8:59:49am |
re: #640 bratwurst
As a personal assumption-There is no reliable information to be found on the internet only.
677 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:00:06am |
re: #672 Dark_Falcon
this story reminds me of Watergate, and I think Pope Benedict may be headed for Nixon's fate: Forced out after his cover-up was revealed.
This is far worse.
678 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:00:06am |
re: #667 Joo-LiZ
As much as I want to agree with that statement, the thing I am afraid of is that Israel really does depend a good deal on not being TOTALLY internationally isolated. We like to think of Israel as strong and unstoppable, but throughout it's history, it has always been in a very tenuous position. It isn't smart to take Israel's strength for granted and have them "go it alone".
I do agree. It was a hypothetical, really. Israel would be free to act as she feels the need, but the action would be short-lived without Western resupply of her modern weapons systems.
680 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:01:27am |
re: #672 Dark_Falcon
This was actually in yesterdays paper out here in the boonies. It's just horrible.
681 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:01:53am |
re: #671 Obdicut
What are you talking about? First of all, I haven't made that claim. Second of all, if you think that there is an incident like this on the left that deserves attention, call it out. I'll happily say the same thing. I think the Democrats get a lot of funding by saying things that are untrue or at least misleading about gun crimes and gun deaths-- that's one of their perennial misbehaviors.
However, that doesn't mean that therefore, Brown can't be criticized for being an ass, too.
Arguing that he's a tool of special interests or he's trying to work around fundraising laws, etc., are all reasonable criticisms. Flipping out that he's using a rumor about a possible candidate is silly.
682 | Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:01:55am |
re: #668 pingjockey
Why the left would never do such a thing. That would be "politics". And we all know the left is as pure as the wind driven snow.
No claim at purity, that would leave the oh so evil chance at 'hypocrisy', so no 'values based anything' nope they just have better intentioned snow.
683 | cliffster Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:03:29am |
Parent company of Blue Cross Blue Shield. Interesting, right at January 19th, when Scott Brown won the special election, the stock price shot downwards. Suddenly, it looked like the Republicans were going to be able to block the Dem's giant payoff to their health insurance exec buddies. Then, towards the end of February, when it became clear that the dems were going to continue their fight to make insurance executives rich with taxpayer money, the price started going up again. Good for them.
684 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:04:23am |
re: #659 MandyManners
This is going to be much bigger than this Pope.
685 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:04:29am |
"We should focus our efforts on freeing Americans from under the yoke of the two ruling parties (Democratic and Republican) in the United States. We want to save the West and spread morality in the world," Tehran's interim Friday Prayers leader Hojjatoleslam Kazem Seddiqi said.
SNIP
ROFLMAO!!!
686 | bratwurst Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:04:48am |
re: #676 Rightwingconspirator
As a personal assumption-There is no reliable information to be found on the internet only.
Now that the "Bert is Evil" site is gone, I have to agree.
687 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:05:07am |
re: #684 Rightwingconspirator
This is going to be much bigger than this Pope.
Yep.
Maybe he should practice some humility and resign now.
688 | Joo-LiZ Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:05:57am |
re: #674 drcordell
Exactly. That is all I am saying. I used the term "East Jerusalem" to refer to the controversy over increased Israeli settlements. Just as the term is used by all of the journalists who cover the diplomatic relations between Israel in the U.S. And by the U.S. Dept. of State. And by Netanyahu's staff itself.
I looked back upthread to see where the whole controversy arose.
I see why the media reports it like that. I also see why you chose to do the same.
But I also think it is fundamentally misleading (when referring to the recent Ramat Shlomo thing) to call it "East Jerusalem".
Part of the "settlements" problem is that the media completely avoids nuances.
Anywhere in Jerusalem beyond the Green Line is a "settlement". Anywhere in the West Bank whether in a major settlement bloc or a hilltop outpost is a "settlement". When you avoid dealing with any of the nuances, inherent there, it causes a LOT of people to misunderstand.
689 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:06:16am |
re: #685 MandyManners
Bwahaha! Those guys have great writers. Over the top rhetoric, stilted language, etc...
690 | Soap_Man Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:07:31am |
re: #672 Dark_Falcon
this story reminds me of Watergate, and I think Pope Benedict may be headed for Nixon's fate: Forced out after his cover-up was revealed.
Often the cover-up is worse than the crime. Not this time though...
692 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:07:51am |
693 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:07:52am |
You folks don't know how hard it's been to keep myself from making pope jokes. There is so much territory in this current popes past I could go on for days, but I'd probably get a severe time-out.
I'm allowed to make fun of atheists since they're my people even though I already know some of you are pretty thin-skinned about your atheist-cred. I'll leave the pope bashing to the catholics. Get on it people.
694 | Kragar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:08:06am |
S.Korean navy ship sinking, North suspected
Several South Korean sailors were killed and one of its naval ships with more than 100 aboard was sinking on Friday after possibly being hit by a North Korean torpedo, South Korean media reported.
A South Korean vessel fired at an unidentified vessel towards the north and the South's presidential Blue House was holding an emergency security meeting, Yonhap news agency said.
South Korea's YTN TV network said the government was investigating whether the sinking was due to a torpedo attack by the North.
The network also quoted a government source saying it was unclear yet whether the incident was related to North Korea.
"We are currently focusing on rescuing people," the source said.
The incident took place near a disputed Yellow Sea maritime border off the west coast of the peninsula that was the scene of two deadly naval fights between the rival Koreas in the past decade.
695 | Soap_Man Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:08:45am |
696 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:08:46am |
The political violence is scary enough, but then we have this-A mountain community Police Department under attack by domestic terror groups, drug gangs. I'll be watching this closely. Booby trapped guns, pipe bombs on police cars... Yeow!
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
697 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:09:05am |
Cue-Ball* speaks out.
The expression was more accurate than we knew. This month, Pope Benedict XVI wrote a pastoral letter of apology -- of sorts -- to Ireland to atone for decades of sexual abuse of minors by priests whom those children were supposed to trust. To many people in my homeland, the pope's letter is an insult not only to our intelligence, but to our faith and to our country. To understand why, one must realize that we Irish endured a brutal brand of Catholicism that revolved around the humiliation of children.
SNIP
*Hat-tip to "Sinatra" on SNL.
698 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:09:18am |
re: #696 Rightwingconspirator
The political violence is scary enough, but then we have this-A mountain community Police Department under attack by domestic terror groups, drug gangs. I'll be watching this closely. Booby trapped guns, pipe bombs on police cars... Yeow!
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
I read that. Someone's pissed.
699 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:10:10am |
re: #690 Soap_Man
Often the cover-up is worse than the crime. Not this time though...
No indeed. But for Pope Benedict and Richard Nixon the situation is analogous: They did not commit or authorize the initial crime. If they had blown the whistle and punished the culprits, the matter would have ended then and there. But instead they both elected to cover it up and thus made themselves parties to the crime.
700 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:10:15am |
re: #689 pingjockey
Bwahaha! Those guys have great writers. Over the top rhetoric, stilted language, etc...
Yeah, reading his drivel brought a smile to my face.
701 | Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:10:24am |
re: #693 RogueOne
You folks don't know how hard it's been to keep myself from making pope jokes. There is so much territory in this current popes past I could go on for days, but I'd probably get a severe time-out.
I'm allowed to make fun of atheists since they're my people even though I already know some of you are pretty thin-skinned about your atheist-cred. I'll leave the pope bashing to the catholics. Get on it people.
Isn't the Pope 'Infallible'? I am not hip to Catholic theology, but I just assumed that means he can do no wrong. Am I wrong?
If I am not wrong, what ramifications does this have on the Catholic Church as a whole?
702 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:10:47am |
re: #692 Dark_Falcon
That definitely goes under the "extreme chutzpa" catagory.
I wonder how one says "chutzpah" in Farsi.
703 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:10:53am |
re: #698 RogueOne
Once we remove the media ratings rabbits, and their election season spinning-The real serious violent threats are where we understood them to be for quite some time. Gangs and Jihadis. By my measure of blood and explosions, gangs are it.
704 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:10:55am |
re: #696 Rightwingconspirator
Saw that last night. A buddy of mine was from Hemet. Off of I-15 to Riverside. Out in the desert, lotsa room for meth labs and if the cops have been doing a good job shutting them down I can see the gangs going to this extreme. Hemet isn't that big.
705 | Soap_Man Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:11:06am |
re: #644 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, Alan Keyes. I'm ashamed to admit I voted for him. Looking back on it, that time I should have voted for Obama. Barack Obama is simply a better human being than Alan Keyes. There, I said it.
That's not hard to do. ;)
706 | Soap_Man Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:12:03am |
re: #701 Oh no...Sand People!
Isn't the Pope 'Infallible'? I am not hip to Catholic theology, but I just assumed that means he can do no wrong. Am I wrong?
No, you're right. The pope is God's rep on Earth and is therefore infallible.
707 | Lateralis Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:12:48am |
re: #701 Oh no...Sand People!
Isn't the Pope 'Infallible'? I am not hip to Catholic theology, but I just assumed that means he can do no wrong. Am I wrong?
If I am not wrong, what ramifications does this have on the Catholic Church as a whole?
You are wrong. I believe Popes have only invoked infallibility twice.
708 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:12:58am |
re: #704 pingjockey
Very bad combination-Growing community and a shrinking PD. May other cities large and small take careful note.
709 | The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:13:08am |
re: #639 Killgore Trout
The problem is that the hired brains knew that Obama's plan was probably pretty good but the management (and donors ) wanted a different result so the just told the hired brains to keep their mouths shut. Frum broke the rule. This kind of stuff happens. About 2 years ago Ayaan Hirsi Ali was hired by the Heritage Foundation and we haven't heard a peep out of her since. Probably because she's not on board with the American religious right agenda.
She's still around, though. I look forward to reading this book, especially:
In The Flight of the Intellectuals, Berman contrasts the way intellectuals have treated Hirsi Ali—with ostensible support, in the abstract, but condescension, disdain, and nitpicking criticism in all the best intellectual venues—with the way they and others rallied unequivocally to the support of Salman Rushdie in 1989 over the Satanic Verses fatwa. [...]
It would almost be as if a Rushdie supporter back then had said, "Sure, I'm for his not having his life threatened and all, but I'm tired of all this magic realism stuff, and he seemed arrogant when I saw him interviewed on TV. Maybe he was too contemptuous of the culture of the people who want to murder him."
710 | Obdicut Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:13:12am |
re: #681 RogueOne
Arguing that he's a tool of special interests or he's trying to work around fundraising laws, etc., are all reasonable criticisms. Flipping out that he's using a rumor about a possible candidate is silly.
I'm saying it's treating the electorate with contempt. Which, yes, is relatively standard among politicians. That doesn't mean saying that it sucks and he's an ass for doing it is 'flipping out'.
711 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:13:14am |
re: #700 MandyManners
They talk like the bad guys on Stargate. Really over the top baddies.
712 | Soap_Man Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:14:14am |
re: #706 Soap_Man
No, you're right. The pope is God's rep on Earth and is therefore infallible.
re: #707 Lateralis
You are wrong. I believe Popes have only invoked infallibility twice.
My bad. You're right. It's been a long time since CCD.
From wiki:
This dogma, however, does not state either that the Pope cannot sin in his own personal life or that he is necessarily free of error, even when speaking in his official capacity, outside the specific contexts in which the dogma applies.
713 | pingjockey Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:14:30am |
re: #708 Rightwingconspirator
Yah. The local PD here was in denial for years that there was a Mexican gang problem, couple of murders and the light bulb went off.
714 | Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:15:02am |
re: #706 Soap_Man
No, you're right. The pope is God's rep on Earth and is therefore infallible.
See, this is what I don't get, St. Peter was Jesus' 'Rock' and he denied Jesus three times. I guess I can see how someone can speak for 'God', but not have 'perfection' as a requirement. So this 'infallibility' thing doesn't make sense to me. We, people, are put here to mess things up...because we are ever so good at it.
715 | cliffster Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:15:05am |
re: #693 RogueOne
You folks don't know how hard it's been to keep myself from making pope jokes. There is so much territory in this current popes past I could go on for days, but I'd probably get a severe time-out.
I'm allowed to make fun of atheists since they're my people even though I already know some of you are pretty thin-skinned about your atheist-cred. I'll leave the pope bashing to the catholics. Get on it people.
Well, atheists are condemned to eternal damnation. That's not very funny, so it's in poor taste to make atheist jokes. Catholics, on the other hand, have at worst a little while in purgatory. Have at it.
716 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:15:19am |
re: #701 Oh no...Sand People!
Isn't the Pope 'Infallible'? I am not hip to Catholic theology, but I just assumed that means he can do no wrong. Am I wrong?
If I am not wrong, what ramifications does this have on the Catholic Church as a whole?
Some people have claimed the pope is chosen by the hand of god. I don't think that's accurate theology since they have a secret ballot vote. Unless they all toss in blank pieces of paper and god writes it in for them I'd say it's te cardinals responsibility. They should have picked a hispanic pope the last time around, wonder if they'll do it this time.
717 | Kragar Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:15:20am |
This morning Frum told Politico’s Mike Allen that he left amid “donor pressure”: “AEI represents the best of the conservative world. [A.E.I. President] Arthur Brooks is a brilliant man, and his books are fantastic. But the elite isn’t leading anymore. It’s trapped. Partly because of the desperate economic situation in the country, what were once the leading institutions of conservatism are constrained. I think Arthur took no pleasure in this. I think he was embarrassed. I think he would have avoided it if he possibly could, but he couldn't,” Frum said.
718 | Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:15:53am |
re: #707 Lateralis
You are wrong. I believe Popes have only invoked infallibility twice.
What does that mean, 'invoked infallibility'?
720 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:16:17am |
re: #710 Obdicut
I'm saying it's treating the electorate with contempt. Which, yes, is relatively standard among politicians. That doesn't mean saying that it sucks and he's an ass for doing it is 'flipping out'.
You weren't the one flipping out, that much is true./
721 | Lateralis Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:16:49am |
re: #701 Oh no...Sand People!
[Link: www.catholic.com...]
722 | albusteve Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:17:01am |
re: #708 Rightwingconspirator
Very bad combination-Growing community and a shrinking PD. May other cities large and small take careful note.
especially in CA...something like 11% of their budget goes into the prison system...they have huge problems out there...play nice with gangs and they will kick your ass
723 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:17:19am |
re: #715 cliffster
Well, atheists are condemned to eternal damnation. That's not very funny, so it's in poor taste to make atheist jokes. Catholics, on the other hand, have at worst a little while in purgatory. Have at it.
Shhh, now you're in the atheist dog house. It's kinda like purgatory only spelled backwards.
724 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:20:21am |
re: #711 pingjockey
They talk like the bad guys on Stargate. Really over the top baddies.
725 | Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:20:46am |
re: #721 Lateralis
[Link: www.catholic.com...]
Thanks, a bit of a read, but I'll see what I can figure out.
726 | cliffster Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:22:04am |
re: #723 RogueOne
Shhh, now you're in the atheist dog house. It's kinda like purgatory only spelled backwards.
What is the atheist number of the beast? 2.7182818284?
727 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:22:09am |
re: #714 Oh no...Sand People!
See, this is what I don't get, St. Peter was Jesus' 'Rock' and he denied Jesus three times. I guess I can see how someone can speak for 'God', but not have 'perfection' as a requirement. So this 'infallibility' thing doesn't make sense to me. We, people, are put here to mess things up...because we are ever so good at it.
Many believe that Peter's confession that Christ is the son of God was the foundation, not Peter the man.
728 | The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:22:24am |
Georgia governor Sonny Perdue wants to file suit to stop Obamacare. The state AG, after a review of the particulars, says that the state would be unlikely to win, can't afford the suit anyway, and declines to proceed. So now Perdue is going lawyer shopping, to file the suit on his own.
729 | Lateralis Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:22:47am |
re: #725 Oh no...Sand People!
It is a bit of a read. There usually is not a simple answer in the Catholic Church.
730 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:22:50am |
re: #722 albusteve
D_L & I both rate the gangs or their robbery crews as the #1 most likely reason we would ever need a gun for defense.
731 | Joo-LiZ Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:24:29am |
Hmm... Noah Pollack sees 3 options for Netanyahu
By my reading, Bibi is in a very bad place right now. His options are either 1) total public humiliation and agreement to demands that could topple his government, followed by a diplomatic process that would force potentially lethal concessions on Israel, or 2) the U.S. preventing him from attacking Iran and removing the diplomatic shield that protects Israel from the deranged anti-Semitism of Europe and the Middle East (two increasingly indistinguishable regions).There is a third scenario: Israel completely reshuffles the deck by attacking Iran.
Now, that would be something! Not that it will happen.
732 | reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:25:13am |
re: #635 MandyManners
Again, FROM THE ARTICLE:
However, the rumor sprang from a Facebook page launched by a liberal Northhampton radio host, was fueled by a mysterious tweet from the state Democratic party chairman and got pumped up as recently as Wednesday by the state’s Democratic governor.
I would think one would be able to assume the truth of something that came from the State Democratic party chairman, without then calling the State Democratic party chairman to confirm whether or not what he said was accurate.
good grief.
733 | Ericus58 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:26:11am |
re: #606 Joo-LiZ
"I fear what unilateral concessions Bibi will give in trying to convince Obama Israel wants peace. Netanyahu instinctively recognizes the Palestinians/Arabs/Iranians as his enemies and conversely thinks of the US instinctively as Israel's friend. It is much harder to know where to the draw line when the demands of your enemies are being made through your friends."
SPOT ON.
734 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:26:16am |
re: #688 Joo-LiZ
I looked back upthread to see where the whole controversy arose.
I see why the media reports it like that. I also see why you chose to do the same.
But I also think it is fundamentally misleading (when referring to the recent Ramat Shlomo thing) to call it "East Jerusalem".
Part of the "settlements" problem is that the media completely avoids nuances.
Anywhere in Jerusalem beyond the Green Line is a "settlement". Anywhere in the West Bank whether in a major settlement bloc or a hilltop outpost is a "settlement". When you avoid dealing with any of the nuances, inherent there, it causes a LOT of people to misunderstand.
Jerusalem is a city like all other cities, with an expanding popularion, so what are the city planners supposed to do when families increase, when their children get married and want to start their own households? They do what city planners in other cities all over the world do, which is build housing developments on the outskirts of the city.
735 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:26:22am |
re: #585 RogueOne
I go back and forth on generals as politicians. I know this will go against the meme but generals are some of the biggest pacifists we have to offer.
I'm not sure they necessarily make good politicians since military organizations are generally rigid hierarchies in terms of decision trees. Beyond a point there needs to be an ability to work with groups and make decisions where something cannot simply be ordered so.
I think one reason Eisenhower worked out so well is that he had the experience over in Europe in SHAEF during WW2 where he had to keep a coalition functioning while also dealing with FDR, Marshall, Churchill, Montgomery, DeGaulle, etc. Who often had their own secondary agendas beyond simply defeating Germany.
736 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:26:37am |
re: #732 reine.de.tout
I would think one would be able to assume the truth of something that came from the State Democratic party chairman, without then calling the State Democratic party chairman to confirm whether or not what he said was accurate.
good grief.
I got tired of chasing the mad dr's moving goal-posts.
737 | reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:27:11am |
re: #701 Oh no...Sand People!
Isn't the Pope 'Infallible'? I am not hip to Catholic theology, but I just assumed that means he can do no wrong. Am I wrong?
If I am not wrong, what ramifications does this have on the Catholic Church as a whole?
The pope is only "infallible" when speaking of official Church doctrine.
Otherwise, he's as big a sinner as the rest of us.
738 | webevintage Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:28:08am |
re: #701 Oh no...Sand People!
Isn't the Pope 'Infallible'? I am not hip to Catholic theology, but I just assumed that means he can do no wrong. Am I wrong?
Yes.
As a human the Pope is just as prone to sin and to make mistakes as the next man, it is when speaking on things the Church has always taught or in "Ex Cathedra" which has to do with doctrine of the faith.
Vatican ll:
"The infallibility, however, with which the divine redeemer wished to endow his Church in defining doctrine pertaining to faith and morals, is co-extensive with the deposit of revelation, which must be religiously guarded and loyally and courageously expounded. The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful -- who confirms his brethren in the faith (cf. Lk. 22:32) -- he proclaims in an absolute decision a doctrine pertaining to faith and morals" (Vol. 1, p.380).
"We believe in the infallibility enjoyed by the Successor of Peter when he speaks ex cathedra as shepherd and teacher of all the faithful, an infallibility which the whole Episcopate also enjoys when it exercises with him the supreme magisterium" (Vol. 2, p.392).
"This loyal submission of the will and intellect must be given, in a special way, to the authentic teaching authority of the Roman Pontiff, even when he does not speak ex cathedra in such wise, indeed, that his supreme teaching authority be acknowledged with respect, and that one sincerely adhere to decisions made by him conformably with his manifest mind and intention ..." (Vol. 1, p.379)."
739 | webevintage Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:28:34am |
re: #737 reine.de.tout
The pope is only "infallible" when speaking of official Church doctrine.
Otherwise, he's as big a sinner as the rest of us.
Word.
740 | Obdicut Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:31:14am |
re: #732 reine.de.tout
The Chairman never said Maddow was running.
741 | reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:32:17am |
re: #740 Obdicut
The Chairman never said Maddow was running.
There was a "tweet" from his twitter account.
742 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:32:17am |
re: #728 The Sanity Inspector
If he wants to waste his own money rather than Georgia's isn't that his prerogative. Same as if he spent it on a campaign commercial since I'd bet that this is aimed at generating the same result.
743 | Obdicut Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:35:31am |
re: #741 reine.de.tout
There was a "tweet" from his twitter account.
What did that tweet say, Reine?
744 | Joo-LiZ Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:36:41am |
DEBKA reports it was a Hamas cross-border attack that caused 2 Israeli casualties -- DEBKA should be taken with a grain of salt.
Muqata (which I have come to trust on these sorts of things) reports that retaliatory airstrikes are ongoing in Gaza, but the original incidentis still under military censorship. Which is why I say SOMETHING is happening.
745 | Joo-LiZ Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:37:25am |
re: #744 Joo-LiZ
Oops, lost the first line somehow --
Seems like something is happening in Gaza right now.
DEBKA reports it was a Hamas cross-border attack that caused 2 Israeli casualties -- DEBKA should be taken with a grain of salt.
Muqata (which I have come to trust on these sorts of things) reports that retaliatory airstrikes are ongoing in Gaza, but the original incidentis still under military censorship. Which is why I say SOMETHING is happening.
746 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:39:45am |
re: #735 oaktree
I'm not sure they necessarily make good politicians since military organizations are generally rigid hierarchies in terms of decision trees. Beyond a point there needs to be an ability to work with groups and make decisions where something cannot simply be ordered so.
I think one reason Eisenhower worked out so well is that he had the experience over in Europe in SHAEF during WW2 where he had to keep a coalition functioning while also dealing with FDR, Marshall, Churchill, Montgomery, DeGaulle, etc. Who often had their own secondary agendas beyond simply defeating Germany.
I'm not sure I agree with that assessment. The hierarchy is rigid but the decision making is not. Additionally, by the time a military officer hits Colonel he's been playing politics for at least a decade and well equipped for political appointment.
My problem with Generals being politicians is they are very slow to commit forces. They'll do whatever they have to to keep from putting boots on the ground. A lot of the time that's good but sometimes we have to make a show of force and having someone continually delay that decision just drags out the inevitable.
747 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:40:03am |
749 | Joo-LiZ Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:40:09am |
re: #745 Joo-LiZ
JPost reporting it was an ambush of IDF troops on the Gaza border. 2 Palestinians killed.
Hamas is taking public responsibility along with another group. First time Hamas has publicly acknowledged involvement of this kind since Cast Lead.
750 | reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:41:21am |
re: #743 Obdicut
What did that tweet say, Reine?
However, the rumor sprang from a Facebook page launched by a liberal Northhampton radio host, was fueled by a mysterious tweet from the state Democratic party chairman and got pumped up as recently as Wednesday by the state’s Democratic governor.Earlier this month, radio yakker Bill Dwight and another man created a Facebook page titled “Rachel Maddow for U.S. Senator from Massachusetts in 2012.”
A few days later, John Walsh, chairman of the state Democratic Party, sent a curious “tweet” to his Twitter followers that included his contact information and read, “Some are talking about you running vs Scott Brown in ’12.”
Walsh has said he won’t disclose who the “tweet” was meant for until he gets 1,000 Twitter followers, but he never tamped down rampant speculation it was Maddow.
Walsh refused to clear the air last night, saying he’s never spoken to Maddow.
A few days after the FB page was set up, Walsh sent a tweet which doesn't mention anyone, but he refuses to say who he meant, but he has not done anything to reduce the speculation that he meant Maddow.
Thin? Perhaps.
But definitely fuel for the speculation; and the speculation did not begin with Brown.
751 | reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:44:20am |
re: #750 reine.de.tout
A few days after the FB page was set up, Walsh sent a tweet which doesn't mention anyone, but he refuses to say who he meant, but he has not done anything to reduce the speculation that he meant Maddow.
Thin? Perhaps.
But definitely fuel for the speculation; and the speculation did not begin with Brown.
And honestly, I can't help but believe the Mass Dems are getting a huge laugh out of how this has played out, with Brown getting stuck with the "blame". And I don't blame them, if it had happened the other way, I'm sure the R's would be laughing.
752 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:44:43am |
re: #750 reine.de.tout
A few days after the FB page was set up, Walsh sent a tweet which doesn't mention anyone, but he refuses to say who he meant, but he has not done anything to reduce the speculation that he meant Maddow.
Thin? Perhaps.
But definitely fuel for the speculation; and the speculation did not begin with Brown.
And, Deval Patrick furthered it.
753 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:45:16am |
re: #751 reine.de.tout
And honestly, I can't help but believe the Mass Dems are getting a huge laugh out of how this has played out, with Brown getting stuck with the "blame". And I don't blame them, if it had happened the other way, I'm sure the R's would be laughing.
It sure has pissed off Maddow.
754 | RogueOne Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:50:54am |
re: #753 MandyManners
It sure has pissed off Maddow.
I think it's fake outrage. What is there to be angry about?
755 | reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:52:50am |
re: #753 MandyManners
It sure has pissed off Maddow.
Political shenanigans can get weird.
I worked for an elected official who had a lot of enemies (as they all do).
Every election cycle was weird.
One year, one of his political enemies found someone with the same last name as 'my' guy.
They got to the Secty of State's office early, and registered their campaign under the SAME NAME that my guy had been using for all 20 years of his political life.
My guy got there and had the option of using a different name than he'd ever used before. The result of that, of course, was that voters could be confused and end up voting for his opponent when they intended to vote for him. He ended up coming back to the office to figure out what they were going to do, and it was eventually resolved but sheesh - it just caused no end of aggravation and concern. People will do anything to hurt the other side.
756 | Taqyia2Me Fri, Mar 26, 2010 9:53:37am |
re: #468 MandyManners
Somebody send a waaahmmmbulance to Maddow.
Keith Olberman 4 SeNUT!
Too funny!!
{wipes down computer screen}
757 | Obdicut Fri, Mar 26, 2010 10:06:39am |
re: #755 reine.de.tout
The fact that he's attacking one of his constituents makes it rather odious to me. Especially since Maddow has one of the more responsible shows on television.
758 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 10:09:24am |
re: #754 RogueOne
I think it's fake outrage. What is there to be angry about?
Maybe it's misplaced outrage since her own people started the rumors.
759 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 10:10:10am |
re: #755 reine.de.tout
Political shenanigans can get weird.
I worked for an elected official who had a lot of enemies (as they all do).
Every election cycle was weird.
One year, one of his political enemies found someone with the same last name as 'my' guy.
They got to the Secty of State's office early, and registered their campaign under the SAME NAME that my guy had been using for all 20 years of his political life.
My guy got there and had the option of using a different name than he'd ever used before. The result of that, of course, was that voters could be confused and end up voting for his opponent when they intended to vote for him. He ended up coming back to the office to figure out what they were going to do, and it was eventually resolved but sheesh - it just caused no end of aggravation and concern. People will do anything to hurt the other side.
Sooo high school.
760 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 10:10:31am |
re: #756 Taqyia2Me
Keith Olberman 4 SeNUT!
Too funny!!
{wipes down computer screen}
Cracked me up, too.
761 | MandyManners Fri, Mar 26, 2010 10:11:03am |
re: #757 Obdicut
The fact that he's attacking one of his constituents makes it rather odious to me. Especially since Maddow has one of the more responsible shows on television.
HE'S NOT THE ONE WHO STARTED THIS.
762 | Obdicut Fri, Mar 26, 2010 10:12:32am |
re: #761 MandyManners
Mandy, caps lock doesn't actually impress me very much. It's also considered rude, in internet etiquette.
I am not accusing Brown of starting this. I am accusing Brown of using a rumor as fundraising material. This is what he has, in fact, done.
763 | reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 26, 2010 10:29:59am |
re: #757 Obdicut
The fact that he's attacking one of his constituents makes it rather odious to me. Especially since Maddow has one of the more responsible shows on television.
He raised money based on the rumor, promoted in part by the office of the State Dem chairman. There's plenty of blame to go around here.
I didn't see where he "attacked" her in any way, called her any names, etc.
And bottom line - anyone from his state who runs against him will necessarily be one of his "constituents".
764 | Lidane Fri, Mar 26, 2010 10:31:39am |
re: #761 MandyManners
HE'S NOT THE ONE WHO STARTED THIS.
She isn't either. Some fans created a Facebook page to encourage a run. Some goofball from the Massachusetts Democratic party tweeted about it. Scott Brown and his people decided to freak out about it and turn it into a fundraiser.
All it would have taken is a simple phone call to Maddow to ask if it was true, and Brown and his people couldn't even manage that. It's ridiculous.
765 | reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 26, 2010 10:33:31am |
re: #763 reine.de.tout
He raised money based on the rumor, promoted in part by the office of the State Dem chairman. There's plenty of blame to go around here.
I didn't see where he "attacked" her in any way, called her any names, etc.
And bottom line - anyone from his state who runs against him will necessarily be one of his "constituents".
I guess the bottom line for me here is that people are called out, and rightly so, for trying to excuse Rep party nuttiness.
It's my opinion, based on my personal experience working for a politician, that the Mass Dem party grabbed onto this and has used it, effectively apparently, to harm Brown's credibility, and they should be called on it, just as we would call out the Rep party for similar shenanigans.
Political stuff is ugly and mean and it happens on all sides. If we are expected to call out the R's when it happens on that side, then I think we can be expected to call it out on the D side when we see it.