Glenn Beck on Faith Healing and Vaccination: ‘Meet Mr. Smith and Wesson’

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Today on his radio show, Glenn “Raving Freakazoid Nut Sandwich” Beck said parents who believe in faith healing should have the absolute right to refuse vaccinations and medical treatment for their children.

Even if the kid loses an eye. After all, it’s only one eye.

And then he advocated killing any government official who would take children away because of this. Yes, he really did.

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BECK: Here’s a child that is going to lose an eye. And the state thinks it’s better for them to lose the parents.

GRAY: Yeah.

BECK: Than an eye. I’m sorry, I don’t.

BURGUIERE: I don’t know, I mean it’s just one of these things that when you have things that are treatable and obvious, I think that you have to, you have to — you’re putting these kids in danger. It’s just like a child abuse situation.

BECK: No.

BURGUIERE: It really is. When you’re talking about if you have — if you stuck something in their eye intentionally for them to go blind —

BECK: Then it’s child abuse.

BURGUIERE: Right, but when you let them just go blind out of the disease that could be cured, that’s not? I mean, it’s certainly at least kind of close to it.

BECK: Don’t they have the right — the state has a bigger right to the child? Look, look, again, we’re not talking about total blindness, and we’re not talking about life and death here.

BURGUIERE: It’s not degrees of blindness is not the argument here.

BECK: Yes there is. One eye. One eye.

BURGUIERE: So if it’s one eye, we can let him go blind in the one eye, but —

BECK: You are talking about taking a child away and the state rearing a child and making decisions. If they’re nuts, then — but if they are sane? They just happen to believe in God and faith-healing, then I think you’ve got to let them rule. The family is sacred.

GRAY: Where do you draw that line? So you’d draw that line at something that is maybe life-threatening?

BECK: I don’t know where the line is.

GRAY: It’s really hard.

[CROSSTALK]

BECK: But here’s why it has to be drawn. Because, vaccinations. You don’t give your kid vaccination — how many people do you know that ten years ago people said, “Oh, vaccinations, please stop with the vaccination thing.” How many people do you know who are really smart, who have really done their homework, who have children with autism, and say, “Don’t do the vaccinations thing”? A lot.

BURGUIERE: There’s a lot of people who believe that.

GRAY: I’ve got very close friends who, and they swear by it. Vaccination thing. Swear by it.

BECK: My children? We’re not getting the flu vaccine. No. The state comes and says my kids have to have the flu — go to hell. Go to hell. Get off my porch. You want to take my kids because of that? Meet Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson. Get off my land. Period.

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464 comments
1 steve_davis  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 12:57:37pm

Wow. And one of them actually managed to think this through to the point where he realized that allowing a child to go blind through neglect--regardless of the rationale--is child abuse. I personally think children who ask constant questions of their uncle while he is trying to watch professional baseball playoff games should be locked in a cage that is then hoisted high enough that their questions are inaudible, for the duration of the game, but I suspect my sister wouldn't agree with that, and wouldn't view my rationale as good libertarian policy if I tried to implement it.

2 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 12:57:57pm

Weird.

Is there anywhere that the flu vaccine is mandatory?

What the hell is he talking about?

3 Obdicut  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 12:58:57pm

re: #1 steve_davis

Absolutely. What if a kid has a nail stuck through his hand? Is it the parent's right to forbid him from taking it out?

Such insane posturing on their part.

4 iossarian  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 12:58:57pm

The sad truth is that some kids need protecting from their parents.

5 elizajane  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:02:13pm

Spend a while working in the foster care system. Listen for a few years to people involved in the adoption of older children. Meet some teens who have "emancipated" themselves from their families. Then come back to me about that "family is sacred" line.
Out in the wide world of reality, the ethics of how we as a society treat children has a lot of big, gray areas. Declaring that "the family is sacred" is a way of shutting down discussion in an area where discussion is crucial, exactly for the sake of the children.

6 mr.fusion  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:04:20pm

If they’re nuts, then — but if they are sane? They just happen to believe in God and faith-healing

sane faith-healer = military intelligence = jumbo shrimp

7 Mocking Jay  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:05:26pm

wonders if "the family is sacred" clause applies to Muslim families that want their daughters to wear burkas...

8 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:06:35pm

I'm pretty sure that advocating the murder of Child Protection employees is illegal.

9 Jadespring  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:06:47pm

re: #7 JasonA

wonders if "the family is sacred" clause applies to Muslim families that want their daughters to wear burkas...

Why? Do they make girls go blind in one eye or something?

10 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:06:52pm

Right. Sure Mr. Beck. The parents have rights. Let's have a look at the details.

Oregon Takes Custody of Faith Healers' Baby

(CBS/AP) The Oregon Department of Human Services won custody Tuesday of a 10-month-old Oregon City child facing blindness in one eye.

The girl's parents, Timothy and Rebecca Wyland, believe in faith healing and are facing trial in January on charges of failing to provide adequate care.

The Oregonian reports the state has had temporary custody of the girl, Alayna Wyland, since July. She was initially placed in foster care but allowed back in the Wyland home last month under a court order requiring close medical supervision.

The ruling Tuesday in Clackamas County Circuit Court assures a treatment plan and gives the state power to act on the girl's behalf.

The couple is charged with first-degree criminal mistreatment and goes to trial in January.

Continues.

Meet the parents. That's Timothy Wyland on the left and Rebecca Wyland on the right. She's 23 years old and he's 44 years old.

11 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:07:25pm

Right to life. Yep, once the baby is born they have the right to let the kid go blind or even die.

Yep, right to life.

12 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:07:40pm

re: #7 JasonA

wonders if "the family is sacred" clause applies to Muslim families that want their daughters to wear burkas...

Or clitorectomies.

13 pharmmajor  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:08:46pm

Okay, there's the right of the parents to decide what's best for their child, and then there's fucking insanity.

14 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:08:54pm

The Savior of America, Glenn Beck, standing up for parent's rights to neglect their children and stand by doing nothing while their child's treatable injury or illness threatens their life or limbs. What a guy.

BECK: I don’t know where the line is.

Truer words were never spoken.

15 Kragar  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:10:40pm

I guess it is time to return to the good ole days of polio, whooping cough, and other preventable diseases. It must be God's plan.

16 pharmmajor  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:11:36pm

re: #15 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I guess it is time to return to the good ole days of polio, whooping cough, and other preventable diseases. It must be God's plan.

If Glenn Beck allies with Jenny McCarthy and the rest of the anti-vaccine tards and starts spewing that line, we will be unable to contain the bullshit.

17 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:11:52pm

re: #2 Obdicut

Weird.

Is there anywhere that the flu vaccine is mandatory?

What the hell is he talking about?

No, the flu vaccine is not mandatory, it's just a very good idea.

And as for refusing treatment for a child with a curable condition -that is a form of child abuse, no question about it.

Now, maybe in consultation with a physician, the parents get information about the treatment and information about what will happen if treatment is withheld, and perhaps decide that withholding treatment under certain circumstances is the better thing to do. That's one thing.

But to simply withhold treatment because you personally don't believe in modern medicine or technology? That is child abuse.

It's no secret I'm a Christian religious believer; and I believe, to the depth of my soul, that a refusal to use technology, medical or otherwise, that God gave humans the intelligence and wherewithal to develop, is turning your back on Him. I don't understand how anyone could think otherwise.

18 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:12:19pm

re: #2 Obdicut

There are some medical institutions that do require it.

Some universities do. Loyola University Health System for example.

Vaccinations (not necessarily influenza vaccines) are required to enter schools because of the heightened risk of spreading such easily prevented diseases like measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, etc.

Some state politicians have pushed for mandatory flu vaccinations. See NY's Tom Duane for the latest attempt in NY.

But thus far no state has mandated flu vaccinations.

19 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:12:36pm

Wingnut logic. Gay parents raising a child in a nice home with health care, education, and a nice environment: bad! Heterosexual parents raising a child (in a van down by the river) who is going blind (because Jesus told them it's the way!) and getting no education: good!

20 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:14:39pm

re: #11 Gus 802

Right to life. Yep, once the baby is born they have the right to let the kid go blind or even die.

Yep, right to life.

now, now.
Not every pro-lifer is like that.

21 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:14:39pm

Image of the child.

Image: oregon.jpg

Warning. It's a bit hard to look at.

22 Kragar  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:15:11pm

re: #16 pharmmajor

If Glenn Beck allies with Jenny McCarthy and the rest of the anti-vaccine tards and starts spewing that line, we will be unable to contain the bullshit.

I love the panels on those debates. We get deputy director from the CDC, a speaker from the WHO, a nutball clergyman, and a lingerie model with Beck cutting off the experts so the dimwits can recite their talking points.

23 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:15:25pm

re: #20 reine.de.tout

now, now.
Not every pro-lifer is like that.

I know. I meant those that would think this way. I.e. Glenn Beck.

24 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:16:18pm

re: #10 Gus 802

Other similar cases in Oregon have led to manslaughter charges when the parents refused to provide medical care for a prematurely born child who later died of complications from underdeveloped lungs and pneumonia.

25 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:16:23pm

Ah yes. The lovely parents.

Image: wylands-faith-healing-072210jpg-eeeadd3638fb9937.jpg

That's not father and daughter.

26 Jadespring  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:18:03pm

re: #15 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I guess it is time to return to the good ole days of polio, whooping cough, and other preventable diseases. It must be God's plan.

I know a family who uses this as a reason to not get vaccines. The kid told me that if they were 'good' then they wouldn't get the bad diseases. Getting a cold is an indication that something theological is off and something needs to be done to atone.

It's sorta like a really, really warped 'be good kids so Santa will give you presents' way of the parents getting their kids to be obdient except the threat in this case sickness and/or death from sickness.

Although they do have the right to believe what they want I personally feel that this borders on emotional and mental abuse. I find it pretty sick actually and feel awful for the kids.

27 allegro  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:20:00pm

re: #26 Jadespring

Although they do have the right to believe what they want I personally feel that this borders on emotional and mental abuse. I find it pretty sick actually and feel awful for the kids.

Borders? I'd go straight to abusive. It is.

28 pharmmajor  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:20:08pm

re: #26 Jadespring

Although they do have the right to believe what they want I personally feel that this borders on emotional and mental abuse. I find it pretty sick actually and feel awful for the kids.

Exactly. They're crossing the line by putting their children at risk.

29 BlackFedora  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:22:29pm

Beck is a full blown anti-vaxxer? Really?

30 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:23:00pm

The church.

Followers of Christ

During the latter part of the twentieth century, the church began to attract attention from authorities in the state of Oregon due to an unusually high mortality rate among its children. Larry Lewman, a former medical examiner in the state, alleges that during a ten-year period twenty-five children perished due to the lack of medical intervention—a death rate 26 times higher than among the general population. An investigation by The Oregonian claimed that at least 21 out of 78 minors found to be buried in the church cemetery died of preventable causes, including simple infections which would be easily treated with routine antibiotics. The high death rate among church children attracted national media attention, including coverage of the church by Time magazine, ABC News newsmagazine 20/20,[9] and the PBS program Religion & Ethics Newsweekly.

31 Jadespring  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:23:18pm

re: #28 pharmmajor

Exactly. They're crossing the line by putting their children at risk.

With the anti-vaccine thing most definitely. They don't shun medical care altogether though. So if the kid does get sick they'll use medicine or a doctor it's just it's looked on as a punishment because of something they did wrong.

And yeah now that I think about it that doesn't border mental abuse it is. What a warped way to grow up.

32 Kragar  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:24:13pm

And then we have the nutballs who think vaccinations are a conspiracy set up to eliminate the undesirables and those stupid enough to fall for it.

Death by Vaccination: The Gates Foundation and the New Eugenics

33 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:24:27pm

re: #29 BlackFedora

Beck is a full blown anti-vaxxer? Really?

Beck is stirring another pot by taking an extremist* position and seeing how much outrage he can make bubble up.

* - Extreme to the point of stupidity that makes you say "what?"

34 BlackFedora  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:24:36pm

"But here’s why it has to be drawn. Because, vaccinations. You don’t give your kid vaccination — how many people do you know that ten years ago people said, “Oh, vaccinations, please stop with the vaccination thing.” How many people do you know who are really smart, who have really done their homework, who have children with autism, and say, “Don’t do the vaccinations thing”? A lot."

I had to listen a little more closely. He's treading further and further into Alex Jones territory with the autism and vaccines thing.

35 Sionainn  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:25:19pm

re: #26 Jadespring

I know a family who uses this as a reason to not get vaccines. The kid told me that if they were 'good' then they wouldn't get the bad diseases. Getting a cold is an indication that something theological is off and something needs to be done to atone.

It's sorta like a really, really warped 'be good kids so Santa will give you presents' way of the parents getting their kids to be obdient except the threat in this case sickness and/or death from sickness.

Although they do have the right to believe what they want I personally feel that this borders on emotional and mental abuse. I find it pretty sick actually and feel awful for the kids.

That's sick and disgusting.

36 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:26:09pm

re: #30 Gus 802

If that doesn't qualify as child abuse, I don't know what does.

37 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:26:44pm

Followers of Christ Church

2008 Controversial Deaths

16-year-old church member Neil Beagley died on June 17, 2008, from an easily treatable illness. Beagley suffered from a urinary tract blockage which caused his kidneys and heart to fail. A simple insertion of a catheter could have prevented his death.Associated Press: Teenager from Faith-Healing Family Dies...(June 18, 2008)

Ava Worthington, a 15-month-old relative of Beagley's, died from pneumonia and a blood infection in March 2008. Her parents Carl Worthington and Raylene Worthington, who also belong to the Followers of Christ Church, have been charged with manslaughter and criminal mistreatment.Associated Press: Teenager from Faith-Healing Family Dies...(June 18, 2008)

38 Randall Gross  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:26:52pm

Leave it to Glenn Beck ... when I posted the news story on this I wondered if there would be wingnut outrage ... I guess I really didn't need to.

39 jaunte  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:27:00pm

re: #34 BlackFedora


"How many people do you know who are really smart, who have really done their homework, who have children with autism, and say, “Don’t do the vaccinations thing”? A lot."


I'd really love to see him back up that assertion.

40 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:27:22pm

Tides Foundation CEO To Fox News Advertisers: Drop Glenn Beck Or Have Blood On Your Hands

Drummond Pike, who along with his organization was recently targeted by an assassin inspired by Beck's program, penned a letter on Friday to the Chairmen of the Boards of JP Morgan Chase, GEICO, Zurich Financial, Chrysler, Direct Holdings Americas, GlaxoSmithKline, AstraZeneca, Lilly Corporate Center, BP, and The Hartford Financial Services Group, Inc.

In it, he detailed the alarm he felt over having a "person carrying numerous guns and body armor" attempt to start a "revolution" by murdering "my colleagues and me."

41 Sionainn  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:27:25pm

re: #32 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

And then we have the nutballs who think vaccinations are a conspiracy set up to eliminate the undesirables and those stupid enough to fall for it.

Death by Vaccination: The Gates Foundation and the New Eugenics

The joke will be on them when they contract something that could have easily been prevented and die. They will not be missed by me.

42 darthstar  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:27:34pm

re: #21 Gus 802

Image of the child.

Image: oregon.jpg

Warning. It's a bit hard to look at.

Faith healing isn't going to help that child.

43 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:27:49pm

re: #36 Slumbering Behemoth

If that doesn't qualify as child abuse, I don't know what does.

26 times higher. And this is from a medical examiner. So this "one eye" argument Beck presents is just the tip of the iceberg. Kids are dying because of this practice.

44 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:28:29pm

re: #32 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Except that the eradication of polio via vaccination has saved countless millions from unimaginable horrors and lifelong disabilities or death. Ditto for smallpox*. And vaccines for other communicable diseases.

* Smallpox was responsible for an estimated 300–500 million deaths during the 20th century alone and the disease persisted into the 1960s before it was eradicated in one of the most successful vaccination campaigns ever.

45 Kragar  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:29:10pm

re: #41 Sionainn

The joke will be on them when they contract something that could have easily been prevented and die. They will not be missed by me.

Obviously they were targetted by the conspiracy to keep them quiet.

46 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:29:29pm

re: #43 Gus 802

26 times higher. And this is from a medical examiner. So this "one eye" argument Beck presents is just the tip of the iceberg. Kids are dying because of this practice.

Exactly.
This is a whole group of kids whose health concerns are being neglected in this cult by those who are supposed to be protecting them.

Ugh.

47 elizajane  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:30:26pm

re: #39 jaunte

I'd really love to see him back up that assertion.

That's probably true. A lot of smart people got caught up in the vaccinations thing, people who were totally freaked out to find that they had a child with autism. (In general, in fact, very smart people have a very hard time dealing with children who are not as obviously smart as they are--it's well known in the adoption world).
The problem is that most really smart people have, since then, read the piece in The Lancet rescinding the original research on the vaccine--autism link as completely flawed and unrepeatable. So Beck heard smart people saying this once upon a time, but they aren't saying it any more.

48 Amory Blaine  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:31:10pm

Using the "flu shot", he is able to pull out his guns. He knows there is no mandate for flu shots. But he does know there are mandates for other shots. By burying this in his other baseless smears and lies he can advocate against shots in general without getting his hands dirty. He's a filthy propagandist.

49 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:31:13pm

re: #46 reine.de.tout

Exactly.
This is a whole group of kids whose health concerns are being neglected in this cult by those who are supposed to be protecting them.

Ugh.

Whoever is interpreting the words of Sky Daddy for them is getting something very wrong...

50 Kragar  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:31:22pm

re: #44 lawhawk

Except that the eradication of polio via vaccination has saved countless millions from unimaginable horrors and lifelong disabilities or death. Ditto for smallpox*. And vaccines for other communicable diseases.

* Smallpox was responsible for an estimated 300–500 million deaths during the 20th century alone and the disease persisted into the 1960s before it was eradicated in one of the most successful vaccination campaigns ever.

Can't you see how evil and wrong it was to vaccinate those people who otherwise might have gone to see the big spirit in the sky already but instead were forced to live long and productive lives where they might have sinned and lost their eternal salvation?
///

51 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:31:39pm

re: #41 Sionainn

The joke will be on them when they contract something that could have easily been prevented and die. They will not be missed by me.

Unfortunately it doesn't work out like that. People who refuse to vaccinate their children also endanger the lives of other people's infants who are not yet old enough to receive vaccinations. The damage they are doing reaches far beyond their own families.

53 Amory Blaine  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:32:53pm

re: #41 Sionainn

The joke will be on them when they contract something that could have easily been prevented and die. They will not be missed by me.

No the joke will be on me and my family when his disease ridden family pollutes the general population and causes an epidemic. This type of stupidity will also cost society untold amounts of money and resources.

54 pharmmajor  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:33:00pm

re: #39 jaunte

I'd really love to see him back up that assertion.

Does Beck ever offer any rational proof to back up his insanity?

55 Randall Gross  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:33:35pm

Meanwhile the "chelation therapy" used by Jenny McCarthy and other anti-vaxxers for autism has been ordered to stop by the FDA after a child died. It's basically giving kids an industrial chemical used to separate heavy metals:

Eight companies were warned Thursday to stop marketing chelation "miracle cures" that claim to treat everything from autism to Parkinson's disease by flushing toxic metals from the body, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration said.
Regulators said the products, sold over the internet, can cause dehydration, kidney failure and death.
'These products are dangerously misleading because they are targeted to patients with serious conditions and limited treatment options.'—Deborah Autor
Known as chelation therapies, the products have been used for decades, although medical societies and government experts say there is no evidence they cure diseases.
The only FDA-approved chelation therapies are used to treat lead and mercury poisoning.

"These products are dangerously misleading because they are targeted to patients with serious conditions and limited treatment options," said FDA's Deborah Autor, director of compliance in the agency's Center for Drug Evaluation and Research.

57 Jadespring  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:35:30pm

re: #47 elizajane

That's probably true. A lot of smart people got caught up in the vaccinations thing, people who were totally freaked out to find that they had a child with autism. (In general, in fact, very smart people have a very hard time dealing with children who are not as obviously smart as they are--it's well known in the adoption world).
The problem is that most really smart people have, since then, read the piece in The Lancet rescinding the original research on the vaccine--autism link as completely flawed and unrepeatable. So Beck heard smart people saying this once upon a time, but they aren't saying it any more.

Exactly. At one time a correlation was made. People and yes smart people said "Oh no! This could be a problem'. Then science world went, "Hmm we should study this more it may be important." So they did and figured out that no it's not what some people thought it might be. Science worked as it should have.

58 researchok  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:35:40pm

re: #52 Gus 802

Faith Healing Death - Oregon City Followers of Christ Church


[Video]

Closed and insular group, paranoia, delusions, etc.

You know how this story ends.

59 celticdragon  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:36:00pm

re: #4 iossarian

The sad truth is that some kids need protecting from their parents.

Nope. Kids are private property now and have to be guarded against the tax and spend librul gubmint.

Next thing you know, they will come to take your kids and spend them.

///

60 Kragar  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:36:06pm

re: #56 Gus 802

Former Follower of Christ Church Member Speaks Out

[Video]

I get the impression that Christ wouldn't want a damn thing to do with their church.

61 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:36:16pm

On the flip side of this, let us talk about freedom from the child's viewpoint; what child would freely choose such parents, ones so ignorant as to give them blindness in at least one eye?

Perhaps no-one should have any rights until they are 18?

I don't think so Mr. Beck.

62 Kragar  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:36:45pm

re: #58 researchok

Closed and insular group, paranoia, delusions, etc.

You know how this story ends.

FBI investigation, someone gets shot, mass suicide.

63 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:36:50pm

re: #49 oaktree

Whoever is interpreting the words of Sky Daddy for them is getting something very wrong...

Agreed. Well, with the general gist - I'm not much for the "sky daddy" term.
Just my .02 on that.

64 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:37:08pm

re: #55 Thanos

Meanwhile the "chelation therapy" used by Jenny McCarthy and other anti-vaxxers for autism has been ordered to stop by the FDA after a child died. It's basically giving kids an industrial chemical used to separate heavy metals:

Hoy shit! And she isn't in jail for child endangerment?

(Now shaking my head to try and throw the shock out of it.)

65 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:37:20pm

re: #55 Thanos

Chelation was one of those therapies proffered by the folks who claimed that thimerosol was responsible for autism (even after it was removed as a preservative from vaccines supposedly implicated in the autism epidemic). It was claimed that heavy metal toxicity was responsible for autism, but no proof was ever garnered.

I'm not surprised that the FDA came down on chelation. I'm just surprised it took so damned long.

66 researchok  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:37:33pm

re: #62 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

FBI investigation, someone gets shot, mass suicide.

Two outta three, anyway.

67 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:37:46pm

re: #60 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I get the impression that Christ wouldn't want a damn thing to do with their church.

Yeah, neither do I. If they want to pray they should pray for their doctor and medical teams. Another way I would look at it would be "God made doctors, science, and medicine" to cure the sick. Even though I'm not a believer I think that would be the correct logic.

68 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:37:47pm

re: #59 celticdragon

Nope. Kids are private property now and have to be guarded against the tax and spend librul gubmint.

Next thing you know, they will come to take your kids and spend them.

///

Are you familiar with the Selective Service Act?

69 freetoken  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:37:49pm

Beck's pal Esther is toxic in California:

Sarah Palin speaks in San Jose

For someone widely credited with helping to shape the Republican field in the midterm elections, it was curious who didn't appear with former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin Thursday when she spoke to a wildly enthusiastic audience in San Jose: Any major Republican Party candidates.

Or any Republican candidates at all, for that matter.

Palin, who resigned as governor 2 1/2 years into her term, delivered a 40-minute speech - complete with a trademark "You betcha!" - and answered a few questions afterward before a less-than-capacity audience of 1,400 at the San Jose Center for the Performing Arts. Her paid appearance was sponsored by the conservative Liberty and Freedom Foundation.

[...]

Esther appeals to the highly religious SoCon crowd. While that may be near 1/4 of the US electorate, here in California it's a small minority (outside of Orange county and surrounding areas, and some of the rural counties in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada.)

California is not Alabama.

As the GOP goes Tea Party it will become a regional party.

70 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:38:08pm

re: #62 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

FBI investigation, someone gets shot, mass suicide.

And it will all be Obama's fault. ///

71 celticdragon  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:38:47pm

re: #47 elizajane

That's probably true. A lot of smart people got caught up in the vaccinations thing, people who were totally freaked out to find that they had a child with autism. (In general, in fact, very smart people have a very hard time dealing with children who are not as obviously smart as they are--it's well known in the adoption world).
The problem is that most really smart people have, since then, read the piece in The Lancet rescinding the original research on the vaccine--autism link as completely flawed and unrepeatable. So Beck heard smart people saying this once upon a time, but they aren't saying it any more.

I was one of those people. When reliable scientific studies emerged that were not tied to any of the pharma companies (and could not be accused of bias), I accepted that it really does look like autism is controlled by genetics and possibly an unidentified environmental factor.

72 researchok  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:39:31pm

re: #69 freetoken

Beck's pal Esther is toxic in California:

Sarah Palin speaks in San Jose

Esther appeals to the highly religious SoCon crowd. While that may be near 1/4 of the US electorate, here in California it's a small minority (outside of Orange county and surrounding areas, and some of the rural counties in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada.)

California is not Alabama.

As the GOP goes Tea Party it will become a regional party.

Hey, she got paid upfront.

Maybe she isn't as foolish as we think she is.

73 pharmmajor  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:39:42pm

I know this is a little OT, but Penn & Teller did a great job putting the anti-vaccine morons in their place a while back:

[Link: www.megavideo.com...]

Penn on his own: "Andrew Wakefield and Jenny McCarthy are assholes" -

Youtube Video
74 Randall Gross  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:39:54pm

re: #65 lawhawk

I'm not surprised that the FDA came down on chelation. I'm just surprised it took so damned long.

Me too -- people were bilking desperate parents of money by teaching them to feed their children and industrial freaking solvent.

75 researchok  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:40:56pm

re: #74 Thanos

Me too -- people were bilking desperate parents of money by teaching them to feed their children and industrial freaking solvent.

I made the mistake of buying supplements online, once.

I'm bombarded with chelation emails and offers.

76 calochortus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:41:26pm

re: #59 celticdragon

Nope. Kids are private property now and have to be guarded against the tax and spend librul gubmint.

Next thing you know, they will come to take your kids and spend them.

///

No, kids (and wives) were private property a couple of centuries ago and we need to return to those halcyon days. Days when all men were wise and protective, wives and children were hardworking and obedient. Days when no one ever got sick because they were living righteously./

77 celticdragon  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:41:45pm

re: #68 Decatur Deb

Are you familiar with the Selective Service Act?

Only adults are affected by that.

Some of the adamant separatists seem to think children are analogous to private property and beyond any review by state authorities concerning their treatment. I was making fun of that crew.

78 Fenris  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:41:48pm

America, meet Mr. Public Health Hazard.

79 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:42:48pm

The old saw is, and should remain "A fool and his money are soon parted", not "A fool and his child's life are soon parted".

80 Randall Gross  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:42:55pm

If you have elder friends or parents or friends with newborns and you visit Ashland, OR, you better wait a long incubation period (21 days) afterwards before you see them. The city has a seriously degraded herd immunity factor from all of the anti-vaxxers there.

81 Kragar  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:43:03pm

re: #67 Gus 802

Yeah, neither do I. If they want to pray they should pray for their doctor and medical teams. Another way I would look at it would be "God made doctors, science, and medicine" to cure the sick. Even though I'm not a believer I think that would be the correct logic.

Logic is not a winning arguement with these people.

"So you think God can make a burning bush speak, that he can tell Noah to make a boat that holds 2 of every animal on Earth to repopulate it and that Jonah was able to survive in the belly of a whale, but it is somehow beyond God's power to make the Earth over billions of years and devise a system of evolution as a mechanism to create man and other creatures? So much for an omnipotentce."

82 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:43:20pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Love to see his face if that came up...

83 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:43:43pm

re: #9 Jadespring

Why? Do they make girls go blind in one eye or something?

A Saudi imam has recommended a one-eye niqab because a veil that shows both eyes is too seductive.

84 Jadespring  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:44:52pm

re: #76 calochortus

No, kids (and wives) were private property a couple of centuries ago and we need to return to those halcyon days. Days when all men were wise and protective, wives and children were hardworking and obedient. Days when no one ever got sick because they were living righteously./

Couple of centuries? Try less then a century. Heck we've only been legally persons for less then a 100 years.

85 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:44:53pm

re: #77 celticdragon

Only adults are affected by that.

Some of the adamant separatists seem to think children are analogous to private property and beyond any review by state authorities concerning their treatment. I was making fun of that crew.

Just snarking. My kids are draft age. The discussions of abortion the last few nights show that many in the post-1973 generation have a distorted vision of their right to bodily integrity in relation to the nation-state.

86 freetoken  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:45:06pm

re: #83 Alouette

Have they thought about night vision goggles? Then no one would ever have to see the woman's eyes in public, ever.

87 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:45:24pm

re: #83 Alouette

A Saudi imam has recommended a one-eye niqab because a veil that shows both eyes is too seductive.

A wink is as good as a nod....

88 Sionainn  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:45:28pm

re: #51 Slumbering Behemoth

Unfortunately it doesn't work out like that. People who refuse to vaccinate their children also endanger the lives of other people's infants who are not yet old enough to receive vaccinations. The damage they are doing reaches far beyond their own families.

Yeah, I know. *sigh* Wishful thinking on my part they are only harming themselves and possibly eliminating their gene pool.

89 calochortus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:45:42pm

re: #83 Alouette

The more you hide, the more seductive whatever you can see is.

90 Kragar  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:46:06pm

re: #87 wrenchwench

A wink is as good as a nod...

SAY NO MORE SQUIRE!

91 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:46:10pm

Dr. Salk saving a little girl from, probably, polio.

92 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:46:45pm

Now showing up at the Guardian article: banned creep 'captdiggs', who has tried to register at least 4 sock puppet accounts. It's old home week for stalkers.

93 celticdragon  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:46:51pm

re: #83 Alouette

A Saudi imam has recommended a one-eye niqab because a veil that shows both eyes is too seductive.

Let's blindfold the idiots who are getting a woody from seeing women in niquabs with an eye slit.

That ought to solve their problem.

94 sagehen  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:47:00pm

re: #50 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Can't you see how evil and wrong it was to vaccinate those people who otherwise might have gone to see the big spirit in the sky already but instead were forced to live long and productive lives where they might have sinned and lost their eternal salvation?
///

We wouldn't have such a high unemployment rate if we hadn't insisted that so many children live to adulthood.

//

95 Kragar  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:48:12pm

re: #91 Ojoe

Dr. Salk saving a little girl from, probably, polio.

Shouldn't that read "Evil quack attempting to cause autism, sterility and shortened life span to an innocent little girl"?
///

96 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:48:18pm

re: #94 sagehen

We wouldn't have such a high unemployment rate if we hadn't insisted that so many children live to adulthood.

//

But if we don't have lots of children the underclass will bury us via population growth!

/// +/

97 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:48:19pm

re: #92 Charles

Now showing up at the Guardian article: banned creep 'captdiggs', who has tried to register at least 4 sock puppet accounts. It's old home week for stalkers.

After that asshole was banned, he showed up at my blog trying to recruit for the stalker site.

98 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:48:43pm

re: #73 pharmmajor

I know this is a little OT, but Penn & Teller did a great job putting the anti-vaccine morons in their place a while back:

[Link: www.megavideo.com...]

Penn on his own: "Andrew Wakefield and Jenny McCarthy are assholes" -

[Video]

That first one is right on the money.

99 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:49:25pm

re: #95 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Shouldn't that read "Evil quack attempting to cause autism, sterility and shortened life span to an innocent little girl"?
///

That little girl is probably a grandmother today, thanks to Dr. Salk.

100 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:49:36pm

re: #97 Alouette

After that asshole was banned, he showed up at my blog trying to recruit for the stalker site.

You know, they can't reproduce, so they have to recruit...

/

101 calochortus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:50:40pm

re: #84 Jadespring

Couple of centuries? Try less then a century. Heck we've only been legally persons for less then a 100 years.

I gave it a generous timeline as how laws are/were written and how they are interpreted evolve so there's no one moment of emancipation. I won't argue about whether its 90 years or 200.

102 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:51:01pm

re: #92 Charles

Now showing up at the Guardian article: banned creep 'captdiggs', who has tried to register at least 4 sock puppet accounts. It's old home week for stalkers.

There's also "apachewhoknows" (or AWK!) who has JUST looked at LGF for the first time, but somehow knows all about sock puppets and questions why sock puppets are "feared" (weird conclusion for someone who just popped in and looked at LGF for the first time, but there you have it, guy's a genius, I tell ya).

Hm. Is there a banned person who claimed to be part Apache?

103 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:51:15pm

Joseph Lister.

We owe people like him & Dr. Salk, a lot.

A whole lot.

104 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:51:51pm

re: #92 Charles

Now showing up at the Guardian article: banned creep 'captdiggs', who has tried to register at least 4 sock puppet accounts. It's old home week for stalkers.

You can tell the quality of a person by their enemies. You're high quality, Charles.

105 researchok  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:52:48pm

re: #102 reine.de.tout

There's also "apachewhoknows" (or AWK!) who has JUST looked at LGF for the first time, but somehow knows all about sock puppets and questions why sock puppets are "feared" (weird conclusion for someone who just popped in and looked at LGF for the first time, but there you have it, guy's a genius, I tell ya).

Hm. Is there a banned person who claimed to be part Apache?

Saw that and your response.

Well done.

106 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:53:05pm

re: #100 wrenchwench

You know, they can't reproduce, so they have to recruit...

/

Technically, they could. But they can't find any women with taste poor enough to have anything to do with them. /

107 austin_blue  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:53:46pm

re: #83 Alouette

A Saudi imam has recommended a one-eye niqab because a veil that shows both eyes is too seductive.

At which point, young men will say, "Did you see that eye? Wowza!"

108 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:53:59pm

re: #102 reine.de.tout

There's also "apachewhoknows" (or AWK!) who has JUST looked at LGF for the first time, but somehow knows all about sock puppets and questions why sock puppets are "feared" (weird conclusion for someone who just popped in and looked at LGF for the first time, but there you have it, guy's a genius, I tell ya).

Hm. Is there a banned person who claimed to be part Apache?

"happytalker" has been a reliable idiot.

109 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:55:03pm

re: #102 reine.de.tout

There's also "apachewhoknows" (or AWK!) who has JUST looked at LGF for the first time, but somehow knows all about sock puppets and questions why sock puppets are "feared" (weird conclusion for someone who just popped in and looked at LGF for the first time, but there you have it, guy's a genius, I tell ya).

Hm. Is there a banned person who claimed to be part Apache?

Well, the tortured grammar and misspellings sure suggest one stalker in particular, but who knows? There are plenty of nuts on the Internet.

Thank you for sticking up for me over there, by the way.

110 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:56:33pm

Louis Pasteur

A great saint, measured by the amount of misery he got rid of.

111 Jadespring  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:56:46pm

re: #83 Alouette

A Saudi imam has recommended a one-eye niqab because a veil that shows both eyes is too seductive.

I'm laughing and shaking my head but part of me is also crying.

112 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:57:29pm

re: #111 Jadespring

I'm laughing and shaking my head but part of me is also crying.

Just one eye?

113 pharmmajor  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:58:26pm

re: #110 Ojoe

Louis Pasteur

A great saint, measured by the amount of misery he got rid of.

As Alton Brown put it, one of the 10 most important men in history.

114 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:59:01pm

re: #113 pharmmajor

Right up there with James Watt.

115 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:00:32pm

re: #102 reine.de.tout

There's also "apachewhoknows" (or AWK!) who has JUST looked at LGF for the first time, but somehow knows all about sock puppets and questions why sock puppets are "feared" (weird conclusion for someone who just popped in and looked at LGF for the first time, but there you have it, guy's a genius, I tell ya).

Hm. Is there a banned person who claimed to be part Apache?

Oh I know who that is. TFK

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Operation igloo white Vietnam 1966 to 1968, Laos, Cambodia install of sensors to track the VC and NVA.

Best friend, Denny Bade just passed away he and his wife owned and she stil operates HotLine Construction, they have installed many of the wind farm disturbition line networks in Calif.

Was an investor in Carter Wind Systmes of Burkburnett Tx back in the other gas crunch. He had a good product but was not able to make the cross over to marketing the thing, he went busted when the Saui's cut the price the last time.

116 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:00:37pm

re: #113 pharmmajor

I'd put Marconi up there too, you should see the historic record of shipwrecks, and how they almost stop completely once there was radio navigation.

117 freetoken  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:01:12pm

re: #115 Gus 802

I thought that nickname sounded familiar.

118 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:02:00pm

re: #115 Gus 802

Oh I know who that is. TFK

I knew that, but I didn't have a link.

*Genuflects*

119 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:02:18pm

re: #117 freetoken

I thought that nickname sounded familiar.

Yep. All the more stranger he's taking on another personality pretending he doesn't know LGF. They all do that from time to time. They either switch personalities or gender.

120 freetoken  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:02:43pm

re: #119 Gus 802

He was always a sicko.

121 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:03:15pm

re: #115 Gus 802

Oh I know who that is. TFK

Yep. Almost certainly it's that psycho. These are the kind of weird games he plays.

Another one who has tried to register multiple times -- dozens, actually.

122 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:03:23pm

re: #115 Gus 802

Oh I know who that is. TFK

LOL.
That's who I figured it was.

123 Jadespring  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:03:36pm

re: #114 Ojoe

Right up there with James Watt.

I'd like to add Louis Goldenberg and Alva J. Fisher to the list.

124 freetoken  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:04:15pm

Bill Scher and Nicole Kurokawa (sigh....) speaking the truth about the "polls":

[Link: bloggingheads.tv...]

125 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:04:40pm

A one-eyed niqab that does not appear to be a photoshop.

I remember seeing something similar in National Geographic.

126 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:05:13pm

re: #121 Charles

Yep. Almost certainly it's that psycho. These are the kind of weird games he plays.

Another one who has tried to register multiple times -- dozens, actually.

Any second now they might even start copying comments from here and pasting them there. That's how predictable they are. Fortunately for the Guardian article most folks don't read comments. The rest will think "who are these nutcases?"

127 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:05:24pm

Another one: Dr. Leila Denmark, developer of the pertussis vaccine.

Dr. Denmark is still with us at age 112. She credits her extraordinary lifespan to (among other things) completely avoiding added dietary sugar.
That seems a bit drastic to me, but when a 112 year old doctor gives advice on longevity, it might be a good idea to listen.

128 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:06:08pm

re: #125 Alouette

A one-eyed niqab that does not appear to be a photoshop.

I remember seeing something similar in National Geographic.

How could one drive in such a thing?

Oh, wait....

129 Amory Blaine  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:06:37pm

re: #125 Alouette

A one-eyed niqab that does not appear to be a photoshop.

I remember seeing something similar in National Geographic.

Maybe a periscope coming out of the hood...

130 Jadespring  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:07:13pm

re: #126 Gus 802

Any second now they might even start copying comments from here and pasting them there. That's how predictable they are. Fortunately for the Guardian article most folks don't read comments. The rest will think "who are these nutcases?"

Yep. They are all pretty much backing up everything that Charles was talking about. Of course they don't THINK that's what they're doing but they are.

It's irony.

131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:08:22pm

When's Glenn gonna be on "The View"?

132 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:08:52pm

re: #127 Shiplord Kirel

Another one: Dr. Leila Denmark, developer of the pertussis vaccine.

Dr. Denmark is still with us at age 112. She credits her extraordinary lifespan to (among other things) completely avoiding added dietary sugar.
That seems a bit drastic to me, but when a 112 year old doctor gives advice on longevity, it might be a good idea to listen.

112, and no birthday cakes. Hmmm. I'd settle for 102 with birthday cakes.

133 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:08:54pm

re: #115 Gus 802

Oh I know who that is. TFK

Oh, Gus.
More from that link from apachewhoknows:

What excites you about this campaign?
It has to be done, I'm a natural leader.
What do you want to do to help?
Take on the Serria Club, Greenpeace, and for sure the crazy Earth First ones.
134 Jadespring  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:09:45pm

re: #131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

When's Glenn gonna be on "The View"?

Oh geez. That O'Reily appearance made our national news. They played the story over and over this morning.

135 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:09:48pm

re: #133 reine.de.tout

Oh, Gus.
More from that link from apachewhoknows:

Earth FIrst!!11ty

Igloo White!!11ty

Al Gore!!

Eleventy!

136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:10:42pm

re: #127 Shiplord Kirel

Yeah... but her mom still smokes...

137 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:10:55pm

I just heard from Sattv4u2.

He's lurking a bit as he has time, but I don't think he would mind if I gave you this update:

His mom has been seriously ill, has had some ups and downs, but today, at this moment, seems to be comfortable and perhaps on the mend.

138 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:11:28pm

re: #135 Gus 802

Earth FIrst!!11ty

Igloo White!!11ty

Al Gore John F'n Kerry!!

Eleventy!


FTFY

139 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:12:11pm

re: #138 wrenchwench

FTFY

Woops! How could I forget. That an "shooting pot smokers and atheists" in the imaginary battlefield.

140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:12:12pm

re: #134 Jadespring

I saw a replay... but have no idea what really happened... didn't give Bill, Joy or Whoopie the satisfaction and watch it tho...

But, I probably will... I really wanna know what happened.

141 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:13:46pm

re: #123 Jadespring

Inventors of washing machines!

I had not heard of them, but they prevented a lot of disease for sure.

Thanks.

142 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:14:33pm

re: #127 Shiplord Kirel

Oh oh, I'm drinking black tea with milk and sugar right now.

143 Jadespring  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:14:58pm

re: #140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I saw a replay... but have no idea what really happened... didn't give Bill, Joy or Whoopie the satisfaction and watch it tho...

But, I probably will... I really wanna know what happened.

I saw the clip but it was hard to understand. They were talking all over each other. I think what pissed the two off the most was Bill eventually said something along the lines that "Muslims attacked us' generalizing all muslims with terrorists rather then extremists.

144 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:15:40pm

re: #135 Gus 802

re: #138 wrenchwench

It's curious how focused some folks are on people and groups that, really, have only a marginal effect on what's going on at this moment.

I only have energy to worry about right now, and how right now will lead to what happens tomorrow. No energy at all to worry about what has little or no effect.

145 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:16:04pm

I have to admit, I'm relieved to the point of near-giddiness the people on LGF have 'met' my client base. I've been dealing with creationists, homophobes, anti-Constitutionalists, scary illiterate homeschoolers, theocrats, radical pro lifers, extreme gun rights peeps, racists, anti-vaccers, climate change deniers - you name it - for years. Seriously, y-e-a-r-s. I've managed to reach some type of inner peace, if only now there are recognizable labels for what I couldn't quite articulate before.

Glenn Beck didn't create this base, because it's been there, under the surface, like rats in the sewer system. The scary part is now they're comfortable out in daylight because they've found so many of their own to lead the charge.

I often wondered what the world would be like if these freaks ever got a real foothold in politics, and had a chance to implement and assert their crazy on everyone else. Unfortunately, I may live long enough to find out.

146 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:16:12pm

re: #137 reine.de.tout

Thanks, Reine for the update!

147 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:17:01pm

re: #144 reine.de.tout

How's the Roi's shoulder?

148 Jadespring  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:18:11pm

re: #145 theheat

I have to admit, I'm relieved to the point of near-giddiness the people on LGF have 'met' my client base. I've been dealing with creationists, homophobes, anti-Constitutionalists, scary illiterate homeschoolers, theocrats, radical pro lifers, extreme gun rights peeps, racists, anti-vaccers, climate change deniers - you name it - for years. Seriously, y-e-a-r-s. I've managed to reach some type of inner peace, if only now there are recognizable labels for what I couldn't quite articulate before.

Glenn Beck didn't create this base, because it's been there, under the surface, like rats in the sewer system. The scary part is now they're comfortable out in daylight because they've found so many of their own to lead the charge.

I often wondered what the world would be like if these freaks ever got a real foothold in politics, and had a chance to implement and assert their crazy on everyone else. Unfortunately, I may live long enough to find out.

What field are you in? I bump into this type or thing here and there but not on a regular basis.

149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:18:18pm

re: #137 reine.de.tout

Thanks for the update.

150 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:18:45pm

re: #145 theheat

I have to admit, I'm relieved to the point of near-giddiness the people on LGF have 'met' my client base. I've been dealing with creationists, homophobes, anti-Constitutionalists, scary illiterate homeschoolers, theocrats, radical pro lifers, extreme gun rights peeps, racists, anti-vaccers, climate change deniers - you name it - for years. Seriously, y-e-a-r-s. I've managed to reach some type of inner peace, if only now there are recognizable labels for what I couldn't quite articulate before.

Glenn Beck didn't create this base, because it's been there, under the surface, like rats in the sewer system. The scary part is now they're comfortable out in daylight because they've found so many of their own to lead the charge.

I often wondered what the world would be like if these freaks ever got a real foothold in politics, and had a chance to implement and assert their crazy on everyone else. Unfortunately, I may live long enough to find out.

Let them have the low-lying ground, convince them they need walls to keep us out, let them build those walls, and then have the levees already in place when the rising sea levels from global warming bring the tuna home to roost...
(thinking a little long term here)
//

151 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:19:31pm

Imagine the person who actually looks forward to Glenn beck's radio show

Imagine the mental faculties of that person, the one lonely wheel squeaking along, slowly rotating in their brain, attached to nothing

152 Jadespring  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:20:03pm

re: #150 oaktree

Let them have the low-lying ground, convince them they need walls to keep us out, let them build those walls, and then have the levees already in place when the rising sea levels from global warming bring the tuna home to roost...
(thinking a little long term here)
//

Probably not too much tuna to roost though. That population is having problems. More like lots and lots of things like jelly fish roosting.

153 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:20:11pm

re: #145 theheat

My client base is....


...different than that :D

154 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:20:17pm

re: #148 Jadespring

The periphery of the agriculture industry; marketing and design. Most of my client base in southern US.

155 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:20:40pm

re: #133 reine.de.tout

Well I had to shorten my nic but I finally got in over there.
RightWingconsp

156 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:20:46pm

re: #152 Jadespring

Probably not too much tuna to roost though. That population is having problems. More like lots and lots of things like jelly fish roosting.

All too true. But since tuna are "chicken of the sea" I used that to sorta fit the analogy...

157 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:22:35pm

re: #115 Gus 802

OPERATION DELTA WARBASTARD MEGAHELMET PANDORA YESTERDAY NIGHTSIGHT GOGGLES

159 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:23:39pm

re: #83 Alouette

A Saudi imam has recommended a one-eye niqab because a veil that shows both eyes is too seductive.

That's just silly

we have goggles now!

160 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:23:40pm

So, what if the kid wants a vaccine and his parents are nutcases like Glenn here? What does Glenn do then? And really Glenn a gun really? Seriously, the government isn't perfect but the anti government hysteria that Beck and his like minded allies stroke up is ridiculous. I fear people with Beck's mindset a lot more than I do the government right now since they see people they disagree with as being actual enemies rather than just people they disagree with.

161 Amory Blaine  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:24:21pm

re: #145 theheat

I am surrounded by these yahoos. What can you do though?

162 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:25:44pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

I fear people with Beck's mindset a lot more than I do the government right now since they see people they disagree with as being actual enemies rather than just people they disagree with.

And you should fear them. These are scary people. They also happen to be the Real Americans™ we're supposed to revere. Ironic, isn't it?

163 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:26:58pm

re: #159 WindUpBird

That's just silly

we have goggles now!

Goggles are too sexy.

164 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:27:53pm

re: #161 Amory Blaine

I put on my game face every fucking day and take their money, knowing how much it would bother them to know they're paying an atheist vegetarian that will never again vote Republican.

165 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:27:55pm

re: #53 Amory Blaine

No the joke will be on me and my family when his disease ridden family pollutes the general population and causes an epidemic. This type of stupidity will also cost society untold amounts of money and resources.

I have fairly radical ideas about vaccinations

If you don't vaccinate your kids? If you allow them to walk around in society without basic vaccinations? That's child abuse, and it's endangering to society. CPS shows up, takes the kids away, vaccinates them, puts the screws to the parents. I'm 100% for that.


Guess what, crazy cult parents: your kids aren't your property, you don't own them, they're not yours to make into potent disease vectors

166 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:28:49pm

re: #163 wrenchwench

Goggles are too sexy.

Maybe we could sneak in a steampunk aesthetic to the extremist right in the middle east under the radar

167 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:28:52pm

re: #162 theheat

And you should fear them. These are scary people. They also happen to be the Real Americans™ we're supposed to revere. Ironic, isn't it?

Yep, seriously the way these people fearmongrel about the government is ridiculous. Saw something on a friend's facebook wall about how Pat Sajak said that he doesn't think government employees should be able to vote. Seriously, they treat government employees as if they're some kind of monsters. My mom, grandfather, uncle, and others in my family worked and work for the government. These people are nothing but fearmongreling assholes and it scares me to think that we're going to elect some of them in November because of anger at Obama and the Democrats. I am not entirely pleased with the Dems either but they beat these nuts to me.

168 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:29:56pm

re: #164 theheat

I put on my game face every fucking day and take their money, knowing how much it would bother them to know they're paying an atheist vegetarian that will never again vote Republican.

I love the people who only want to go to one sort of religion's businesses

This isn't just a mechanic, it's a CHRISTIAN mechanic!

169 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:30:53pm

re: #167 HappyWarrior

Check out the Modern Whig Party ...

BBL really, I should get some work done.

170 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:32:29pm

re: #168 WindUpBird

I love the people who only want to go to one sort of religion's businesses

This isn't just a mechanic, it's a CHRISTIAN mechanic!

Probably justified if they drive a Santa Fe.

171 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:32:48pm

re: #168 WindUpBird

There's enough religious nepotism in my business to choke a horse. (And I would know, because I have horses.)

172 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:33:23pm

re: #142 Ojoe

Oh oh, I'm drinking black tea with milk and sugar right now.

S'OK. "Clean living adds ten years to the wrong end of your life."

173 Sionainn  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:33:50pm

re: #165 WindUpBird

I have fairly radical ideas about vaccinations

If you don't vaccinate your kids? If you allow them to walk around in society without basic vaccinations? That's child abuse, and it's endangering to society. CPS shows up, takes the kids away, vaccinates them, puts the screws to the parents. I'm 100% for that.

Guess what, crazy cult parents: your kids aren't your property, you don't own them, they're not yours to make into potent disease vectors

I just don't understand the mindset of those parents who won't vaccinate their children. Mine (ages 5 and 3) have gotten every single recommended vaccine at the recommended age. Additionally, they have gotten the flu shot or Flu Mist every season, even as infants. Last year, they got three doses of the flu vaccine, as recommended.

174 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:34:06pm

re: #165 WindUpBird

I have fairly radical ideas about vaccinations

If you don't vaccinate your kids? If you allow them to walk around in society without basic vaccinations? That's child abuse, and it's endangering to society. CPS shows up, takes the kids away, vaccinates them, puts the screws to the parents. I'm 100% for that.

Guess what, crazy cult parents: your kids aren't your property, you don't own them, they're not yours to make into potent disease vectors

Yeah it's just not safe. What you're saying is similiar to people who don't think we should give medical services to illegal immigrants. It's in public health interest that we vaccinate people especially children.

175 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:34:32pm

re: #163 wrenchwench

Goggles are too sexy.

Especially beer goggles.

176 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:36:11pm

This whole "vaccinations cause autism!" bullshit (for that is what it really is, bullshit) remind me of this article by Cracked: The 5 Mos Ridiculously Over-Hyped Health Scares of All Time. Then there's also Cracked's 5 Irrational Fears (Even Rational People Have).

Those two articles have one thing in common: one "expert" (whether real or not) shoots his/her mouth off to the public about one thing or another and the general population absolutely lose their shit over, despite not one bit of credible scientific evidence to support such allegations, or shoddy "evidence" to back it up! It's insane and depressing to know that a large section of the population don't investigate such accusations and allegations, instead taking what they see/hear at face value because someone happens to be considered an "expert" in the issue, especially when it comes to their children. It just makes me feel that people, in general, are dumb, ignorant sheep!

These anti-vaccination fuckers are going to kill a lot of people and maim many, many more. These people should be shunned and humiliated as ignorant and exiled to some faraway island to protect society as a whole. They are not only anti-vaccination, but also anti-science as they don't agree with the science at hand that has, in my terms, knocked their "knowledge" over the head, took their wallet, then threw it out a second story window. It should be settled, but these people see science as something that threatens their views and, as such, threaten their power over the sheep, and that can't be accepted to them!

Fuck, this is so disgusting.

177 Sionainn  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:37:15pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

Yeah it's just not safe. What you're saying is similiar to people who don't think we should give medical services to illegal immigrants. It's in public health interest that we vaccinate people especially children.

Besides trying to protect my children, I was also trying to protect my 90-year-old grandmother from anything she could have gotten from my children...particularly since she lived with us and had close contact with the kids on a daily basis.

178 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:38:04pm

re: #176 commadore183

This whole "vaccinations cause autism!" bullshit (for that is what it really is, bullshit) remind me of this article by Cracked: The 5 Mos Ridiculously Over-Hyped Health Scares of All Time. Then there's also Cracked's 5 Irrational Fears (Even Rational People Have).

For a humor site, "Cracked" has a lot of serious articles.

179 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:38:55pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

Not to mention, vaccinations are cheap compared to illness. It makes economic sense.

180 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:39:59pm

re: #177 Sionainn

Besides trying to protect my children, I was also trying to protect my 90-year-old grandmother from anything she could have gotten from my children...particularly since she lived with us and had close contact with the kids on a daily basis.

I once read that Japan had lowered the incidence of flu among the elderly by vaccinating all the kids.

181 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:40:27pm

Just lowered the boom on 'captdiggs' at the Guardian.

182 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:40:31pm

re: #177 Sionainn

Besides trying to protect my children, I was also trying to protect my 90-year-old grandmother from anything she could have gotten from my children...particularly since she lived with us and had close contact with the kids on a daily basis.

Yep, seriously I just don't get why people fearmongrel about vaccines. I got a lot as a kid. I really see no correlation between the vaccines I got and my highly functioning autism. I think it's just a tactic used by the anti vaxxers to scare people.

183 Sionainn  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:41:33pm

re: #180 wrenchwench

I once read that Japan had lowered the incidence of flu among the elderly by vaccinating all the kids.

I can believe it.

184 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:41:42pm

re: #179 theheat

Not to mention, vaccinations are cheap compared to illness. It makes economic sense.

Yep cheap and quick. What pisses me off about Beck's rhetoric is you know he's never going to have to deal with child protection services and his rhetoric does nothing more than drive up fear and paranoia even more.

185 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:41:51pm

re: #178 Alouette

For a humor site, "Cracked" has a lot of serious articles.

I know. I can't tell you how many time's I've LOL'ed over article like that, but it's researched by the author pretty well. Cracked certainly has became one of my most visited sites outside of LGF, a motorsports forum and a hockey forum. Love their articles!

186 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:42:49pm

History Channel to Air Confederate Commercial?

Hoax?

187 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:44:42pm

re: #185 commadore183

I know. I can't tell you how many time's I've LOL'ed over article like that, but it's researched by the author pretty well. Cracked certainly has became one of my most visited sites outside of LGF, a motorsports forum and a hockey forum. Love their articles!

I loved "Cracked." Their history articles are pretty good. But I'm not too interested in their gaming articles.

188 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:44:52pm

re: #168 WindUpBird

I love the people who only want to go to one sort of religion's businesses

This isn't just a mechanic, it's a CHRISTIAN mechanic!

Be an interesting survey question to see what sort of percentage surcharge someone would take on a service (e.g. quality of service will be the same) in order to get the service guaranteed from Group X (be it Christian, atheist, Muslim, etc.)

189 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:45:49pm

re: #186 Killgore Trout

History Channel to Air Confederate Commercial?

Hoax?

The link is broken - I think you pasted some text instead of a URL. Who said this is going to run on the History Channel?

190 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:49:03pm

re: #189 Charles

The link is broken - I think you pasted some text instead of a URL. Who said this is going to run on the History Channel?

Damn, sorry. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Sons of the Confederacy claims they've bought ads on the history channel.

191 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:49:22pm

re: #178 Alouette

On "Cracked.com", The "Five soldiers who make Rambo look like a pussy" is very interesting.

192 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:50:08pm

re: #184 HappyWarrior

These people live to fight straw men. Always on the ready to valiantly threaten to shoot (because they like guns) any number of the boogymen that exist in their own minds.

I like guns, too. I have guns. Everyone in my family does. We grew up with them, as a matter of fact. Do we manage to somehow inject them into a majority of our conversations and have wet dreams about killing people? No. Fuck no.

I think the people that have them, that talk about them the least, are the ones who walk quietly and carry the big stick. The ones that are orgasmic about them freak me the hell out.

193 lostlakehiker  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:50:27pm

re: #7 JasonA

wonders if "the family is sacred" clause applies to Muslim families that want their daughters to wear burkas...

Or sent to the home country for a certain procedure described by Ayaan Hirsi Ali?

The Family is Not Sacred. It's a means to an end---raising children, keeping life going in the teeth of the inevitability of death. It's a good means, all in all, and the State cannot possibly do an adequate job of it. However, parents are not masters of their children but stewards only, and some make a total botch of the job. The State can do better than that.

A parent may not harm a child, or through inaction, allow a child to come to harm. Isaac Asimovs first law of Parentobotics.

Depriving a child of medical care necessary to save an eye, or cutting the child in ways that do permanent and irreparable harm, is atrocious. Religious beliefs that require such deeds cannot be allowed to be translated into deeds. We in this day and age do not permit human sacrifice, and we do not permit any approximation to it.

Misters Smith and Wesson do not get any say in the matter. When justice, reason, mercy, and force all line up in the other camp, it takes a certain gravely misplaced pride to imagine that God fights on your side.

194 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:50:40pm

re: #189 Charles

I fixed the link in my page. Now goes to here: [Link: sncspan.tv...]

195 pharmmajor  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:51:17pm

re: #123 Jadespring

I'd like to add Louis Goldenberg and Alva J. Fisher to the list.

Don't forget Norman Borlaug and Jonas Salk.

196 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:52:37pm

re: #192 theheat

These people live to fight straw men. Always on the ready to valiantly threaten to shoot (because they like guns) any number of the boogymen that exist in their own minds.

I like guns, too. I have guns. Everyone in my family does. We grew up with them, as a matter of fact. Do we manage to somehow inject them into a majority of our conversations and have wet dreams about killing people? No. Fuck no.

I think the people that have them, that talk about them the least, are the ones who walk quietly and carry the big stick. The ones that are orgasmic about them freak me the hell out.

Yeah, I know what you're saying about guns. My grandfather owned many guns and was a NRA member but he was never really gung-ho about them. I think most gun owners are like him and you and your family. People like Beck like to act like tough guys to over comphensate for their low self esteem I think.

197 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:52:54pm

re: #188 oaktree

Funny you mention it, but one of the local fundie-owned business keeps copies of the Christian Yellow Pages for its customers.

I picked one up, and told Mr. Heat it makes it so much easier for us to choose which businesses to avoid. Sort of like not buying Conflict diamonds.

198 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:52:57pm

re: #194 Killgore Trout

I fixed the link in my page. Now goes to here: [Link: sncspan.tv...]

Wow, the Sons of Confederate Veterans are feeling frisky, aren't they?

Civil War revisionism in all its noxious glory.

I don't know whether to believe the claim about the History Channel or not. The ad is so outrageous I find it hard to believe they'd accept it.

199 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:53:28pm

re: #192 theheat

These people live to fight straw men. Always on the ready to valiantly threaten to shoot (because they like guns) any number of the boogymen that exist in their own minds.

I like guns, too. I have guns. Everyone in my family does. We grew up with them, as a matter of fact. Do we manage to somehow inject them into a majority of our conversations and have wet dreams about killing people? No. Fuck no.

I think the people that have them, that talk about them the least, are the ones who walk quietly and carry the big stick. The ones that are orgasmic about them freak me the hell out.

Bravo. Well said.

Those who know don't talk & and those that talk don't know.

200 jaunte  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:54:09pm

re: #194 Killgore Trout

Not a "civil war" fought to take over the united States, as it is called in history books today, this was a war in which Southerners fought to defend their homes and families against an aggressive invasion by federal troops. The South peacefully seceded, just like our Founding Fathers did in 1776 with England ; and all we wanted was to be left alone to govern ourselves. But the north and Abraham Lincoln would not allow the South to peacefully leave because of the taxes and tariffs the South paid.


Hmm. There seems to be something missing in this story.

201 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:56:05pm

re: #194 Killgore Trout

Hol-E shit.

202 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:56:14pm

re: #194 Killgore Trout

I fixed the link in my page. Now goes to here: [Link: sncspan.tv...]

Wow man that's fucked up. Two things: I love how they say the south seceded peacefully but forget the little detail of the confederates firing on a United States fort in Charleston Harbor and two love the lionizing of Forrest whom many say was the founder of the KKK. I'm a second generation southerner and honestly I am tired of these people who try to make the confederates out to be good guys. They fought for states rights, yes but it was the states right to own a fellow human being. Lincoln was not a saint but I'll take him over Jefferson Davis and the CSA any day of the week,

203 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:58:13pm

re: #187 Alouette

I loved "Cracked." Their history articles are pretty good. But I'm not too interested in their gaming articles.

Everything on Cracked written by David Wong is pure gold. He also wrote an excellent novel called John Dies at the End that is like a weird cross between H.P. Lovecraft and Douglas Adams.

204 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:58:37pm

Possible troll registered. Hmmm. WildersWon111

205 lostlakehiker  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:58:40pm

re: #182 HappyWarrior

Yep, seriously I just don't get why people fearmongrel about vaccines. I got a lot as a kid. I really see no correlation between the vaccines I got and my highly functioning autism. I think it's just a tactic used by the anti vaxxers to scare people.

Indeed it is. Correlation is not causation. Older, more highly educated parents, (and the two correlate) are, or were, more likely to scrupulously attend to vaccinating their children. But parental personality, as well as parental age, seem to play into the statistics of autism. This would generate a correlation between those statistics, and vaccination.

Autism spectrum disorders are normally diagnosed in a time window that overlaps and slightly follows vaccination windows. This too would create correlations.

BUT

Taking the mercury out of vaccines hasn't budged the autism statistics. There is just no scientific mechanism there. It's like cell phones and brain cancer.

Science can be a tough pill to swallow, with its cruel insistence on facts and evidence, its pitiless way of giving answers such as "chance" or "smoking" when people face dire news, as we all must face sooner or later, and its indifference to social niceties such as splitting the difference when there's a difference of opinion.

Small wonder that the Left, as well as the Right, shies away from the cold glare of science's truths on occasion.

206 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:59:01pm

re: #204 Gus 802

Possible troll registered. Hmmm. WildersWon111

I just saw that.

207 jaunte  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:59:32pm

re: #204 Gus 802

Possible troll registered. Hmmm. WildersWon111

It might be 'GellerWasRIGHT' making another run.

208 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 2:59:57pm

re: #206 wrenchwench

I just saw that.

The kooks are having a mental aneurysm over the Guardian article.

209 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:00:21pm

re: #206 wrenchwench

I just saw that.

I guess there's no egg equivalent to "stillborn". If it dies in the egg, it's not going to hatch.

210 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:00:33pm

re: #197 theheat

Funny you mention it, but one of the local fundie-owned business keeps copies of the Christian Yellow Pages for its customers.

I picked one up, and told Mr. Heat it makes it so much easier for us to choose which businesses to avoid. Sort of like not buying Conflict diamonds.

I'm aware that directories like that exist. I recall, but can't provide a cite, that someone did a study and found a higher than average level of fraud in "Christian" services that advertised themselves as such.

211 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:01:19pm

re: #204 Gus 802

Possible troll registered. Hmmm. WildersWon111

It's the same moron who tried 6 times last night.

212 pharmmajor  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:01:34pm

re: #198 Charles

Wow, the Sons of Confederate Veterans are feeling frisky, aren't they?

Civil War revisionism in all its noxious glory.

I don't know whether to believe the claim about the History Channel or not. The ad is so outrageous I find it hard to believe they'd accept it.

I doubt they will, the History Channel has some pretty strong scruples.

In a similar note, some 9/11 Truthers have been trying to buy ad space on Comedy Central to air in between TDS and TCR.
[Link: forums.thedailyshow.com...]

213 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:01:37pm

re: #198 Charles

Wow, the Sons of Confederate Veterans are feeling frisky, aren't they?

Civil War revisionism in all its noxious glory.

I don't know whether to believe the claim about the History Channel or not. The ad is so outrageous I find it hard to believe they'd accept it.

The only thing I can think of is maybe they bought time with their local cable carrier to run the ads locally on the History Channel. Still pretty outrageous, even for Georgia.

214 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:02:11pm

re: #211 Charles

It's the same moron who tried 6 times last night.

Just got sprung from detention, grabbed a bag of Cheetos...

215 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:02:39pm

re: #202 HappyWarrior

Wow man that's fucked up. Two things: I love how they say the south seceded peacefully but forget the little detail of the confederates firing on a United States fort in Charleston Harbor and two love the lionizing of Forrest whom many say was the founder of the KKK. I'm a second generation southerner and honestly I am tired of these people who try to make the confederates out to be good guys. They fought for states rights, yes but it was the states right to own a fellow human being. Lincoln was not a saint but I'll take him over Jefferson Davis and the CSA any day of the week,

They say it's one of ten ads. I think the rest are on their youtube channel.

216 jaunte  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:02:57pm

Speaking of frisky confederates:

I am convinced we Americans are being lied to by our government. I am also convinced our economy is on the verge of collapse. Maybe it is just my natural paranoia, but I simply don’t see the “silver lining” inside the dark clouds hanging low over Wall Street and other financial centers in America. I think we are in for a total collapse of our economic system.

What then?
Well, we start over. I mean, literally, we START OVER.


[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

Literally, man!

217 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:04:19pm

re: #210 oaktree

After seeing first-hand the preference given to out-and-loud Christians in my niche, it leaves a bitter taste. On the other hand, I've met some very nice people of the Jewish persuasion in the biz. Funny an atheist and Jewish castaways find common ground in that respect, when you think about it. We're the bastard stepchildren minority.

218 calochortus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:04:49pm

re: #193 lostlakehiker

Updinged for "Parentobotics".

219 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:04:55pm

re: #204 Gus 802

So from looking at the bragging between the Gaurdian site and teh stalkers we know that refugee000 is the former CaptDiggs.

220 zora  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:05:42pm

beck's asshatery knows no bounds. there is nothing he can say to surprise me. nothing.

ot and funny:
Taiwan Animators Fantasize About Carl Paladino’s Gay Campaign

Read more at Wonkette: Wonkette — The D.C. Gossip

221 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:06:25pm

re: #211 Charles

It's the same moron who tried 6 times last night.

They are very stirred up! They know they are not looking good on the Guardian page at all. at the moment.

222 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:06:26pm

re: #219 LudwigVanQuixote

So from looking at the bragging between the Gaurdian site and teh stalkers we know that refugee000 is the former CaptDiggs.

That's another behavior pattern: multiple accounts. I know they've done that at their stalker sites before and have conversations with themselves.

223 pharmmajor  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:06:46pm

re: #216 jaunte

Speaking of frisky confederates:


[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

Literally, man!

That guy has literally lost his mind. Literally.

224 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:07:25pm

Russia Today (formerly known as Pravda - the Soviet propaganda agency) is now making Ron Paul commercials.....
A song for Ron Paul in 2012 -- Exclusive

Youtube Video
225 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:07:29pm

re: #219 LudwigVanQuixote

So from looking at the bragging between the Gaurdian site and teh stalkers we know that refugee000 is the former CaptDiggs.

uhhh I came in late. Is the Guardian referring to the UK Guardian or is this something new?

226 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:09:13pm

re: #215 Killgore Trout

They say it's one of ten ads. I think the rest are on their youtube channel.

Agh, as I said I really have little tolerance for people who try to revise history and make the confederates in to victims and the union in to villians.

227 jaunte  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:09:21pm

re: #225 brookly red

This: [Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

228 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:09:35pm

And may I add as a personal exhortation to all of my fans:

"Fat drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son..."

229 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:10:39pm

re: #224 Killgore Trout

Russia Today (formerly known as Pravda - the Soviet propaganda agency) is now making Ron Paul commercials...
A song for Ron Paul in 2012 -- Exclusive

[Video]

I suppose it would be too much to hope Arlo Guthrie would object to that. I hear he's gone Tea Party himself...maybe he suggested it. Nah. Nope. I hope not....

230 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:11:10pm

re: #7 JasonA

wonders if "the family is sacred" clause applies to Muslim families that want their daughters to wear burkas...

Question of the year.

231 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:11:19pm

re: #227 jaunte

This: [Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

OK, Thanks...

232 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:11:59pm

re: #229 wrenchwench

I suppose it would be too much to hope Arlo Guthrie would object to that. I hear he's gone Tea Party himself...


I hadn't heard that. It doesn't surprise me.

233 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:13:16pm

re: #229 wrenchwench

I suppose it would be too much to hope Arlo Guthrie would object to that. I hear he's gone Tea Party himself...maybe he suggested it. Nah. Nope. I hope not...

Arlo? I got him to sign an empty pack of Salems in 75...

234 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:13:26pm

re: #9 Jadespring

Why? Do they make girls go blind in one eye or something?

No, although I've been told they can be health and safety risks both because your peripheral vision can be blocked, and because being so completely covered puts you at risk for Vitamin D deficiency since you don't get enough sun on you.

High heels will shorten your Achilles' tendons, of course.

235 researchok  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:13:49pm

What is going on at the Guardian (and elsewhere) re LGF and CJ isn't about never ending 'He said, she said'. To characterize the accusations and counter accusations that way is a disservice.

LGF has carved out a niche as a home for political evolution, a most natural state of affairs. LGF is not about agendas, really nor is it about towing party lines.

Evolution has always been a messy affair and political evolution even more so. Some of us evolve more slowly, others more quickly and yet others not at all.

What we all have in common here- left, right, center, pro choice, pro life, and every other variation of political and moral stations is that we all evolve to the point of elevating the dignity of others. That more than anything characterizes the community at LGF. Every single person who comes and stays here has modified stringent beliefs and ideas to recognize and respect others. There are no monolithic groups and there is no blind allegiance.

LGF will tolerate- embraces, actually- all kinds of points of view and all kinds of ideas- as long as those ideas do not marginalize groups, individuals or beliefs.

Neither atheists or believers are accorded a higher status and CJ's own political beliefs notwithstanding, neither liberals or conservatives are afforded a priestly status.

If you can make an argument cogently and distinctly, and without resorting to name calling or trashing an entire group of people, have at it. Some may disagree and you may find yourself on the short end, but your voice will not be cut off.

LGF isn't about what was said at one point in time or another, it is about the evolution of every kind of idea and political ideology.

LGF won't make everyone happy all the time because as noted, evolution, like all forms of democracy, is a messy business. What we at this point in time all want, isn't relevant. What we will end up with is what will work best for all of us, usually a hybrid of ideas. Nature has a way of taking it's course.

As long as LGF keeps evolving it will remain relevant. The kerfuffle at the Guardian is evidence of that.

Species that didn't evolve are curiosities and no more- which is a nice way of saying they failed. As history has taught, ideological purists of the left and the right will have failed- and that's why LGF works. Here, we evolve.

236 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:14:16pm

Beck keeps on giving....
Beck on climate change: "We've had ice ages and yet there were no SUVs"

237 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:14:48pm

re: #21 Gus 802

Image of the child.

Image: oregon.jpg

Warning. It's a bit hard to look at.

God, yes, it is.

238 zora  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:14:58pm

re: #220 zora

beck's asshatery knows no bounds. there is nothing he can say to surprise me. nothing.

ot and funny:
Taiwan Animators Fantasize About Carl Paladino’s Gay Campaign

Read more at Wonkette: Wonkette — The D.C. Gossip

[Link: wonkette.com...]

the link

239 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:15:18pm
Politics

Guthrie endorsed Texas Congressman Ron Paul for the 2008 Republican Party nomination. He said, "I love this guy. Dr. Paul is the only candidate I know of who would have signed the Constitution of the United States had he been there. I'm with him, because he seems to be the only candidate who actually believes it has as much relevance today as it did a couple of hundred years ago. I look forward to the day when we can work out the differences we have with the same revolutionary vision and enthusiasm that is our American legacy." [6] He told the New York Times Magazine that he is a Republican because, "We had enough good Democrats. We needed a few more good Republicans. We needed a loyal opposition."[7]

Interesting tidbit:

Arlo Guthrie received religious training for his bar mitzvah from Rabbi Meir Kahane, who would go on to form the Jewish Defense League. "Rabbi Kahane was a really nice, patient teacher," Guthrie later recalled, "but shortly after he started giving me my lessons, he started going haywire. Maybe I was responsible."
240 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:16:26pm

re: #228 LudwigVanQuixote

And may I add as a personal exhortation to all of my fans:

"Fat drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son..."

that is one of the best arguments for term limits yet...

241 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:16:38pm

re: #239 wrenchwench

Arlo Guthrie received religious training for his bar mitzvah from Rabbi Meir Kahane, who would go on to form the Jewish Defense League.


Wow. I never would have guessed that. How very odd.

242 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:16:57pm

re: #237 SanFranciscoZionist

God, yes, it is.

I'd like to see Glenn Beck defend that on television. He should repeat his words and repeat his defense of this madness with that very same image on the television screen on Fox News.

243 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:17:12pm

re: #236 Killgore Trout

Beck keeps on giving...
Beck on climate change: "We've had ice ages and yet there were no SUVs"

Do you want me to have epilepsy for Shabbos. BTW, MKelly posted a real gem on the tabletop warming post. I pointed out three of his glaring errors, but I left the biggest one as a puzzle to see if people are following my thermo lectures. Anyone care to take the challenge?

244 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:17:17pm

re: #42 darthstar

Faith healing isn't going to help that child.

Yeah. That's when you pray WHILE the doctor is doing her thing to help the child. Believe me, people pray in doctor's offices a lot. It's very compatible with modern medicine.

245 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:17:57pm

re: #235 researchok

Excellent. Especially:

What we all have in common here- left, right, center, pro choice, pro life, and every other variation of political and moral stations is that we all evolve to the point of elevating the dignity of others.

I had not put my finger on that thought before. Good insight.

246 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:18:37pm

re: #221 LudwigVanQuixote

Well maybe it's a mistake but I have taken the time to push back on CaptDiggs at the Guardian comments. Especially about a banned person.

I wonder who galacticuslives is. "hey! the banned basement boys are all here, polishing their imaginary guns, still thinking they're fighting Vietnam, still whinging, still getting their comments deleted."

Sounds like a Lizard to me.

247 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:19:10pm

re: #63 reine.de.tout

Agreed. Well, with the general gist - I'm not much for the "sky daddy" term.
Just my .02 on that.

I'm just serenely accepting that as informal shorthand for 'Our Father Who Art In Heaven'.

248 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:19:37pm

There is no right to raise a child worse than one would treat a diseased farm animal.

Full stop.

249 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:19:46pm

re: #244 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. That's when you pray WHILE the doctor is doing her thing to help the child. Believe me, people pray in doctor's offices a lot. It's very compatible with modern medicine.

Is that like in public schools where the kids pray before the test? An old joke close to the old one about there being no atheists in foxholes is that there are no atheists on the eve of a final exam or pop quiz. I feel bad honestly for any child whose parents think the only solution to their ailments is more prayer. I don't mean to devalue prayer. After all I pray myself but we should feel blessed and fortunate to have professionals in medicine.

250 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:20:14pm

re: #69 freetoken

Beck's pal Esther is toxic in California:

Sarah Palin speaks in San Jose

Esther appeals to the highly religious SoCon crowd. While that may be near 1/4 of the US electorate, here in California it's a small minority (outside of Orange county and surrounding areas, and some of the rural counties in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada.)

California is not Alabama.

As the GOP goes Tea Party it will become a regional party.

California Republicans won't touch her with a pole. Whitman shut her out very effectively at the debate. Even California so-cons don't want to deal with Palin.

251 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:20:31pm

For the record, parents do not have the right to maim or kill their children either through malice or superstitions.

A civilized society has every right and by Jewish - as in biblical law, a duty, to remove them from bad situations.

Beck is, and has been, for some time the definition of a rasha.

252 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:21:26pm

re: #250 SanFranciscoZionist

And Meg Whitman ain't no peach, so that in itself is revealing.

253 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:21:30pm

And with that - Shabbos comes! Be well all!

254 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:22:14pm

re: #253 LudwigVanQuixote

Be well, and I'm off to that challenge...

255 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:22:18pm

re: #83 Alouette

A Saudi imam has recommended a one-eye niqab because a veil that shows both eyes is too seductive.

I think this man needs a more active sex life, or something.

Also, there are love poems from medieval Persia that celebrate trailing down the street after the girl you love, admiring the way her butt curves out her chador when the breeze is just right.

Young men will, I assure this imam, find something to look at.

256 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:23:38pm

re: #255 SanFranciscoZionist

I think this man needs a more active sex life, or something.

Also, there are love poems from medieval Persia that celebrate trailing down the street after the girl you love, admiring the way her butt curves out her chador when the breeze is just right.

Young men will, I assure this imam, find something to look at.

/sheesh, the sight of one eye winking... how Zen.

257 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:23:40pm

re: #99 Alouette

That little girl is probably a grandmother today, thanks to Dr. Salk.

My grandma recovered from polio as a child. It was reckoned a miracle.

258 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:23:51pm

re: #248 Gus 802

They don't treat their animals well, either. So, actually, they're applying their universal standards of abysmal care.

259 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:25:17pm

re: #127 Shiplord Kirel

Another one: Dr. Leila Denmark, developer of the pertussis vaccine.

Dr. Denmark is still with us at age 112. She credits her extraordinary lifespan to (among other things) completely avoiding added dietary sugar.
That seems a bit drastic to me, but when a 112 year old doctor gives advice on longevity, it might be a good idea to listen.

My arm currently itches from her vaccine, so do thank her, but I'd rather have some sugar and die at, say, 110.

260 allegro  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:26:18pm

re: #247 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm just serenely accepting that as informal shorthand for 'Our Father Who Art In Heaven'.

LOL, love that. Reminds me of a church near where I grew up called "Mary Seat of Wisdom" otherwise affectionately known as Mary Smart Ass.

261 jaunte  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:26:23pm

re: #250 SanFranciscoZionist

Heh.

(organizers said they weren't "at liberty to discuss" Palin's fee)
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]
262 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:26:29pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

So, what if the kid wants a vaccine and his parents are nutcases like Glenn here? What does Glenn do then? And really Glenn a gun really? Seriously, the government isn't perfect but the anti government hysteria that Beck and his like minded allies stroke up is ridiculous. I fear people with Beck's mindset a lot more than I do the government right now since they see people they disagree with as being actual enemies rather than just people they disagree with.

I'll be perfectly honest, I can't see Glenn Beck shooting anyone.

263 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:27:15pm

re: #262 SanFranciscoZionist

I'll be perfectly honest, I can't see Glenn Beck shooting anyone.

Neither can I really. I think he's just a stupid TV hothead but one of his fans I could.

264 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:27:32pm

re: #192 theheat

These people live to fight straw men. Always on the ready to valiantly threaten to shoot (because they like guns) any number of the boogymen that exist in their own minds.

I like guns, too. I have guns. Everyone in my family does. We grew up with them, as a matter of fact. Do we manage to somehow inject them into a majority of our conversations and have wet dreams about killing people? No. Fuck no.

I think the people that have them, that talk about them the least, are the ones who walk quietly and carry the big stick. The ones that are orgasmic about them freak me the hell out.

God, I know what you mean.

265 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:28:00pm

re: #262 SanFranciscoZionist

I'll be perfectly honest, I can't see Glenn Beck shooting anyone.

on purpose anyway...

266 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:31:07pm

It is kinda funny but not owning a TV myself, most of what I have seen of Beck I have seen here.

267 deranged cat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:33:01pm

don't know if it's been posted yet, but there was an article about Harry Whittington, the guy Cheney shot, still having health problems years after it happened.

Nearly five years on, Harry Whittington still speaks with a slight flutter in his voice -- a "warble," he calls it, inadvertently choosing a bird metaphor. His easy East Texas drawl changed forever one day in February 2006 when a tiny lead pellet pierced his larynx. It's still there.

And since it's my hobby to find comment trolls, it didn't take long before i found one!

wmpowellfan wrote:
Nope, no bias in THIS story!
WAPO, why not try to return to your glory days as a newspaper, rather than a sycophant sheet for obama. Why not look into BO's carefully shrouded past. You won't of course. But when BO's truth comes out, your demonized Cheney will look like a choir boy.

I know this doesn't need to be said, but the article was more about Whittington getting shot and his recovery; much less about politics.

268 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:33:13pm

re: #266 brookly red

It is kinda funny but not owning a TV myself, most of what I have seen of Beck I have seen here.

Beck posts here?

269 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:34:05pm

Beck attacks science with anti-gay bigots
Lol

270 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:34:22pm

re: #268 Walter L. Newton

Beck posts here?

now I can't say for sure but I doubt in.

271 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:35:52pm

re: #267 deranged cat

don't know if it's been posted yet, but there was an article about Harry Whittington, the guy Cheney shot, still having health problems years after it happened.

And since it's my hobby to find comment trolls, it didn't take long before i found one!

I know this doesn't need to be said, but the article was more about Whittington getting shot and his recovery; much less about politics.

I see comment trolls whine about Obama in sports related articles so it's not a real shock to me that they'd bitch about Obama in something like this. There were bumper stickers that came out after the Whittington shooting that said "I'd rather go hunting with DIck Cheney than swimming with Ted Kennedy." Now it's someone's right to have that sticker but I found it awfully tacky.

272 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:37:47pm

re: #267 deranged cat

This doesn't need to be said, either, but canned hunts suck. Hunters that hunt canned hunts suck.

273 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:38:49pm

re: #271 HappyWarrior

I see comment trolls whine about Obama in sports related articles so it's not a real shock to me that they'd bitch about Obama in something like this. There were bumper stickers that came out after the Whittington shooting that said "I'd rather go hunting with DIck Cheney than swimming with Ted Kennedy." Now it's someone's right to have that sticker but I found it awfully tacky.

The Obama deranged remind me of Paulians back in the 00s. You would search for the most innocuous thing (like hardwood furniture) and the first thing to show up would be something about "Ron Paul". No surprise that the same personalities (or is that psychology) of the Paulians worked it's way into the Tea Party/GOP and current Obama derangement movement.

274 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:42:17pm

re: #246 Rightwingconspirator

Thanks for that, RWC.

275 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:43:34pm

re: #271 HappyWarrior

I see comment trolls whine about Obama in sports related articles so it's not a real shock to me that they'd bitch about Obama in something like this. There were bumper stickers that came out after the Whittington shooting that said "I'd rather go hunting with DIck Cheney than swimming with Ted Kennedy." Now it's someone's right to have that sticker but I found it awfully tacky.

Two comments:

If Obama or Biden had shot someone in the face, I think the RWR would have made something of it. I just sort of suspect they would have. If Al Gore shot someone in the face...Godalmighty.

So, by that bumper sticker, there's a key difference between being drunk and stupid and cowardly and managing to kill someone, and drunk, stupid and cowardly, and the person in your path surviving?

276 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:45:05pm

re: #147 wrenchwench

How's the Roi's shoulder?

Hurting, very much.
Last week he had a cortisone shot in the shoulder.
Now he's got a huge knot there; and it hurts a lot.

Argh. I think it's just a waiting game - he'll go back to the doc in a couple of weeks if not better by then.

277 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:46:06pm

re: #276 reine.de.tout

Hurting, very much.
Last week he had a cortisone shot in the shoulder.
Now he's got a huge knot there; and it hurts a lot.

Argh. I think it's just a waiting game - he'll go back to the doc in a couple of weeks if not better by then.

Whatdidhedo?
Or did you whack him one!!

oh ,, HEY ALL !!!

278 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:46:50pm

re: #275 SanFranciscoZionist

Two comments:

If Obama or Biden had shot someone in the face, I think the RWR would have made something of it. I just sort of suspect they would have. If Al Gore shot someone in the face...Godalmighty.

So, by that bumper sticker, there's a key difference between being drunk and stupid and cowardly and managing to kill someone, and drunk, stupid and cowardly, and the person in your path surviving?

shooting someone in the face in general is not a good idea... but it you must do it at least get the street cred.

279 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:47:07pm

Okay, all I am out. Gotta do some interviews for college b-ball here. Should be neat.

280 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:47:12pm

re: #275 SanFranciscoZionist

And if I shot someone in the face, the headlines would read Radical Atheist Vegetarian Finally Snaps. Needed more God in her life.

(Zombies don't count.)

281 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:47:54pm

re: #192 theheat

If you get the boy scout merit badge for rifle, they tell you not to talk about the fact that you have a rifle, if you do have one.

That is just basic, basic, basic.

282 Sionainn  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:48:40pm

re: #227 jaunte

This: [Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Wow, those banned folks are pathetic. Don't they have anything better to do with their time? They seem a bit obsessed with Charles and LGF.

283 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:48:41pm

re: #281 Ojoe

Now I know where the first rule of Fight Club came from.

284 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:48:46pm

re: #172 Decatur Deb

S'OK. "Clean living adds ten years to the wrong end of your life."

ROFLMAO

285 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:51:40pm

re: #281 Ojoe

If you get the boy scout merit badge for rifle, they tell you not to talk about the fact that you have a rifle, if you do have one.

That is just basic, basic, basic.

/ACLU meets the Boy Scouts... a merit badge in 5th amendment rights.

286 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:52:44pm

Fascist government oppression! States Rights! Where's my pantaloons? Tea Party!

Eric Holder To Prosecute Distribution, Possession If Prop. 19 Passes

Attorney General Eric Holder says the federal government will enforce its marijuana laws in California even if voters next month make the state the first in the nation to legalize the drug.

287 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:54:16pm

re: #286 Killgore Trout

Fascist government oppression! States Rights! Where's my pantaloons? Tea Party!

Eric Holder To Prosecute Distribution, Possession If Prop. 19 Passes

well even I can't accuse em of pandering to the base...

288 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:54:43pm

The ever clever backwards spelling of the old banned nic?

New Registration: Odeok
289 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:55:36pm

re: #288 wrenchwench

The ever clever backwards spelling of the old banned nic?

Ha!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Looks like it. Had my radar on here.

290 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:55:56pm

re: #288 wrenchwench

The ever clever backwards spelling of the old banned nic?

Htiar Kerav
...
..
.
Yeah, that ain't obvious.
/
:)

291 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:56:15pm

re: #288 wrenchwench

The ever clever backwards spelling of the old banned nic?

you weren't standing in front of a mirror when you said that were you?

292 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:58:40pm

re: #288 wrenchwench

The ever clever backwards spelling of the old banned nic?

[Link: www.google.com...]

293 allegro  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:58:42pm

re: #286 Killgore Trout

Attorney General Eric Holder says the federal government will enforce its marijuana laws in California even if voters next month make the state the first in the nation to legalize the drug.

Which is just so indescribably stupid. This is the ideal opportunity for a test run to determine the effects of pot legalization on black market traffic, border violence, etc. that can finally lead to ending this idiotic WoD. Too much money in it I suppose.

294 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:58:46pm

re: #286 Killgore Trout

Holder = moron; I am for state's rights on this one, I've had it with violent criminals in the woods here & the only way to stop that is to legalize the stuff so the price crashes.

Guess I'm a coward.

I've had it with all regular politicians, may they rot in hell.

295 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:58:53pm

re: #286 Killgore Trout

Yeah, that whole state's rights thing isn't all it's cracked up to be when it isn't what you want. The knife cuts both ways.

296 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:58:59pm

ylkoorb der is a dead give away, huh?

297 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 3:59:59pm

re: #296 brookly red

ylkoorb der is a dead give away, huh?

A good sock account for you would be "ILuvPineapplePizza"

298 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:00:20pm

re: #292 Gus 802

[Link: www.google.com...]

The Guardian article has 'em in a tizzy.

299 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:00:47pm

re: #297 Varek Raith

A good sock account for you would be "ILuvPineapplePizza"

Or maybe "Walter L. Newton"?

300 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:01:27pm

re: #299 Walter L. Newton

Or maybe "Walter L. Newton"?

One is bad enough!!!

301 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:02:18pm

ylkoorb der... that's my buddy. he's eeh Ducth, yeah that's the ticket... he's from yer Netherlands., OK?

302 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:02:33pm

re: #293 allegro

I'm all for making it legal. Too many people penalized way too hard for having it or growing it, too much money pissed away enforcing it, and I am very much against profit the states have acquired from confiscating property over it.

303 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:02:48pm

re: #298 wrenchwench

The Guardian article has 'em in a tizzy.

Their weekend is ruined! Wah!

304 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:03:36pm

re: #297 Varek Raith

A good sock account for you would be "ILuvPineapplePizza"

Yours could be (in my best James Earl Jones voice)
"Who is my father"

305 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:04:02pm

re: #297 Varek Raith

A good sock account for you would be "ILuvPineapplePizza"

OH now you have forced me to bring an Apocalypse...

306 Mocking Jay  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:04:30pm

re: #294 Ojoe

Holder = moron; I am for state's rights on this one, I've had it with violent criminals in the woods here & the only way to stop that is to legalize the stuff so the price crashes.

Guess I'm a coward.

I've had it with all regular politicians, may they rot in hell.

I'm not a fan of this either, but I'd rather the Justice Dept. not pick and choose which laws they want to enforce.

307 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:05:09pm

re: #303 Gus 802

Hunting season is open in a lot of places, so they'll probably alleviate some tension by killing something so they can feel cockstrong.

FWIW - no, I'm not anti-hunting.

308 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:08:02pm

re: #307 theheat

Hunting season is open in a lot of places, so they'll probably alleviate some tension by killing something so they can feel cockstrong.

FWIW - no, I'm not anti-hunting.

Blast the poor, defenseless creature!
At least they could hunt rancors or something.
/

309 researchok  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:08:07pm

re: #307 theheat

Hunting season is open in a lot of places, so they'll probably alleviate some tension by killing something so they can feel cockstrong.

FWIW - no, I'm not anti-hunting.

I do most of my hunting, farming and ranching at Kroger.

310 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:08:49pm

re: #307 theheat

Hunting season is open in a lot of places, so they'll probably alleviate some tension by killing something so they can feel cockstrong.

FWIW - no, I'm not anti-hunting.

Hey, if somebody goes into the woods & kills a deer with his dick I will gladly give him my stool at the bar & my spot on the pool table as well. sheesh.

311 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:09:23pm

re: #307 theheat

Hunting season is open in a lot of places, so they'll probably alleviate some tension by killing something so they can feel cockstrong.

FWIW - no, I'm not anti-hunting.

Alas to hunt the most dangerous game! The elusive cheetah Cheeto ®.

312 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:11:21pm

re: #311 Gus 802

Alas to hunt the most dangerous game! The elusive cheetah Cheeto ®.

sheeet dey already in the bag...

313 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:11:43pm

re: #309 researchok

I do most of my hunting, farming and ranching at Kroger.

And you wonder why you get funny looks standing near the meat counter with a shotgun in your hands!

314 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:12:03pm

re: #308 Varek Raith

It would be so much more sporting if the animals were armed.

re: #309 researchok

Me too. I don't eat meat, so there's no upside for me to hunt, and I'm not crazy about dressing a carcass when I'm not even going to eat the damned thing.

315 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:12:18pm

re: #192 theheat

These people live to fight straw men. Always on the ready to valiantly threaten to shoot (because they like guns) any number of the boogymen that exist in their own minds.

I like guns, too. I have guns. Everyone in my family does. We grew up with them, as a matter of fact. Do we manage to somehow inject them into a majority of our conversations and have wet dreams about killing people? No. Fuck no.

I think the people that have them, that talk about them the least, are the ones who walk quietly and carry the big stick. The ones that are orgasmic about them freak me the hell out.

For some reason those people always talk about their .50 Desert Eagle too, not realizing what a ridiculous poser gun it is.

316 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:12:31pm

re: #243 LudwigVanQuixote

Do you want me to have epilepsy for Shabbos. BTW, MKelly posted a real gem on the tabletop warming post. I pointed out three of his glaring errors, but I left the biggest one as a puzzle to see if people are following my thermo lectures. Anyone care to take the challenge?

I would vote for this:
"Also since the young boy indicated the lamps were representing Earth then to prove that Earth gets warmer because of CO2 he should have told us the lamp got hotter."
The experiment is not trying to show directly that the "earth" (the radiant source in this case) is getting hotter, but that the atmosphere, represented by the gas samples in the jars, will get hotter and stay that way. If the lamps were in any way a reflective device, as the Earth itself is, rather than merely a convenient source of radiant energy, Mkelly might have the shadow of a point. As it is the reasoning is ridiculous.

317 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:13:22pm

re: #314 theheat

It would be so much more sporting if the animals were armed.

re: #309 researchok

Me too. I don't eat meat, so there's no upside for me to hunt, and I'm not crazy about dressing a carcass when I'm not even going to eat the damned thing.

Give those wolves surface to air missiles!
///

318 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:13:52pm

re: #313 sattv4u2

And you wonder why you get funny looks standing near the meat counter with a shotgun in your hands!

I only get smiles and high fives when I go out shopping with mine?

319 researchok  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:14:55pm

re: #314 theheat

It would be so much more sporting if the animals were armed.

re: #309 researchok

Me too. I don't eat meat, so there's no upside for me to hunt, and I'm not crazy about dressing a carcass when I'm not even going to eat the damned thing.

The hunting is the easy part. The hoisting and field dressing, well, that's the work.

As for not eating meat....nothing beats a good steak...

320 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:15:30pm

Fort Worth city councilman tells gay teens "it gets better".

Youtube Video
321 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:15:51pm

re: #319 researchok

The hunting is the easy part. The hoisting and field dressing, well, that's the work.

As for not eating meat...nothing beats a good steak...

a 6 pound lobster?

322 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:16:07pm

re: #313 sattv4u2

And you wonder why you get funny looks standing near the meat counter with a shotgun in your hands!

Just because it's been ground into hamburger don't mean it's dead! You can't be too careful!

323 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:16:36pm

re: #319 researchok

The hunting is the easy part. The hoisting and field dressing, well, that's the work.

As for not eating meat...nothing beats a good steak...

Ever been to a Teds (Turner) Montana Grill

Bison ,, the OTHER Red Meat

DEEEElicious

324 researchok  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:16:44pm

re: #313 sattv4u2

And you wonder why you get funny looks standing near the meat counter with a shotgun in your hands!

That's later.

Right now it's bow season here. Still get the funny looks at the meat counter.

325 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:16:48pm

re: #315 goddamnedfrank

For some reason those people always talk about their .50 Desert Eagle too, not realizing what a ridiculous poser gun it is.

I always get the Desert Eagle on those 'which gun are you' tests. I think it's because I lack all competitive instinct--I just want to blow big holes in what scares me.

326 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:17:41pm

re: #322 SanFranciscoZionist

Just because it's been ground into hamburger don't mean it's dead! You can't be too careful!

I like my steak so rare, when the waiter asks how I want it, I say "so rare, that with a little care, it could be walking again!"

327 ozbloke  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:17:42pm

Dam liberal media...

Murdoch taken to task over Republican donations

328 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:17:51pm

The talk of succulent well cooked meats will cease at once!

Please. Thanks.

/

329 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:18:01pm

re: #315 goddamnedfrank

I wouldn't know a Desert Eagle from a bald eagle, honestly. But I have encountered a lot of forums and such, where the talk seems to fall to guns, and then it's like a posing contest at the Mr. Universe competition.

Collectors and target shooters and reloaders, on the other hand, can go on for hours and hours, because it's all very intricate and interesting, and they know WTF they're talking about. But you don't get the bravado and stormtrooper bravado, thankfully. I have family the collect and shoot, so I've heard hours and hours about nothing but guns. They don't, however, get into pseudo psycho paranoid militia diatribes. It's two different animals.

Ithaca model 37 is my weapon of choice. I'm not one for finesse ;-) Besides, it's also been the number one zombie killer, if you're a fan of horror, which I am.

330 researchok  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:18:37pm

re: #323 sattv4u2

Ever been to a Teds (Turner) Montana Grill

Bison ,, the OTHER Red Meat

DEEElicious

I have! There's a Montana Grill not too far from me.

Their burger is also excellent.

I can get over putting money in Ted Turner's pocket.

331 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:18:49pm

re: #325 SanFranciscoZionist

I always get the Desert Eagle on those 'which gun are you' tests. I think it's because I lack all competitive instinct--I just want to blow big holes in what scares me.

/actually deep down, you strike me as a knife type...

332 researchok  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:18:58pm

re: #328 Gus 802

The talk of succulent well cooked meats will cease at once!

Please. Thanks.

/

It's over between us.

//

333 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:19:31pm

re: #328 Gus 802

The talk of succulent well cooked meats will cease at once!

Please. Thanks.

/



SIRLOIN
T-BONE
FILET MIGNON
RIBEYES

334 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:19:43pm

re: #332 researchok

It's over between us.

//

Mongo like meat. Me Mongo.

/

335 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:19:58pm

re: #319 researchok

I did go hunting before, but not to shoot. Yup, got into the field dressing part. Couldn't stand the smell. It wasn't the blood and guts (I'm a farm girl), it was the stench.

336 researchok  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:20:21pm

re: #334 Gus 802

Mongo like meat. Me Mongo.

/

Wonderful news.

The separation was killing me.

337 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:20:29pm

re: #320 negativ

Fort Worth city councilman tells gay teens "it gets better".

[Video]

Oh my I saw that last night. What a speech.

338 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:21:37pm

re: #328 Gus 802

The talk of succulent well cooked meats will cease at once!

Please. Thanks.

/

here in the hood it's Friday night and Madame Rosa is doing a coupla baby pig on her front yard. Carve yer own by the pound, but do watch out for the cops...

339 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:22:13pm

re: #315 goddamnedfrank

For some reason those people always talk about their .50 Desert Eagle too, not realizing what a ridiculous poser gun it is.

My motto is, "There is no kill like overkill"
Image: 88957,xcitefun-deserteagle.jpg

340 researchok  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:22:24pm

re: #335 theheat

I did go hunting before, but not to shoot. Yup, got into the field dressing part. Couldn't stand the smell. It wasn't the blood and guts (I'm a farm girl), it was the stench.

Understood.

In NC, heat is is an issue till late in the season. Makes the stench worse.

I'm not much of a hunter. I go out with my friend (lawyer-hunter, very Freudian) maybe once a season.

341 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:22:36pm

re: #329 theheat

I wouldn't know a Desert Eagle from a bald eagle, honestly.

Huge, heavy, stupid, and not practical for anything.

Ithaca model 37 is my weapon of choice. I'm not one for finesse ;-) Besides, it's also been the number one zombie killer, if you're a fan of horror, which I am.

Humbug! Real Men use Remington 870s!
////

342 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:23:02pm

re: #338 brookly red

here in the hood it's Friday night and Madame Rosa is doing a coupla baby pig on her front yard. Carve yer own by the pound, but do watch out for the cops...

Cops? Why for health department stuff?

343 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:24:02pm

re: #342 Gus 802

Cops? Why for health department stuff?

no if you take the parts they want yer ass gets kicked...

344 researchok  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:24:03pm

re: #342 Gus 802

Cops? Why for health department stuff?

Muttawa.

345 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:24:33pm

re: #343 brookly red

no if you take the parts they want yer ass gets kicked...

Oh. That's hilarious.

346 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:27:33pm

re: #341 negativ

Aha. At least now I know the critter by sight.

I guess I'm not a real man to shoot a Remington [whatever model]. Mostly because I'm a woman. A woman zombie killer with a shortened barrel Ithaca model 37. That hates zombies.

347 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:27:48pm

re: #341 negativ

Huge, heavy, stupid, and not practical for anything.

Humbug! Real Men use Remington 870s!
///

real men use a Phillips screwdriver dipped in holy water...

348 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:27:59pm

re: #325 SanFranciscoZionist

I always get the Desert Eagle on those 'which gun are you' tests. I think it's because I lack all competitive instinct--I just want to blow big holes in what scares me.

Just took the first one in the google list.
You are a .44 Magnum.
Lol.

349 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:28:15pm

re: #343 brookly red

no if you take the parts they want yer ass gets kicked...

Andrew Zimmern would be in BIG trouble!!

He loves him some brain, intestines, livers, ears, eyes,,,,,,

350 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:28:28pm

re: #306 JasonA

If a state can have dry counties and wet counties, why cannot it have smokey counties and clear counties? Or the whole state?

Yeah I know, alcohol was re-legalized in 1932.

351 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:28:37pm

re: #341 negativ

Huge, heavy, stupid, and not practical for anything.

Humbug! Real Men use Remington 870s!
///

Real men use the pump action Daisy Model No. 25

//

352 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:29:02pm

re: #325 SanFranciscoZionist

I always get the Desert Eagle on those 'which gun are you' tests. I think it's because I lack all competitive instinct--I just want to blow big holes in what scares me.

Apparently I'm an Uzi. At least we're both made in Israel.

What kind of gun are you?

353 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:29:28pm

re: #347 brookly red

real men use a Phillips screwdriver dipped in holy water...

Fuck that.
I'm just going to blow up the planet.
Zombie Apocalypse Solved.

354 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:29:55pm

re: #320 negativ

Hardest speech he ever gave, I think.

Thanks for posting it.

355 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:31:34pm

re: #353 Varek Raith

Leave a few for me for target practice. I may not have wet dreams about killing communists, but I've planned how I'd deal with zombies since George Romero made it a sport.

356 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:31:52pm

re: #352 goddamnedfrank

Apparently I'm an Uzi. At least we're both made in Israel.

What kind of gun are you?

OK, I took the test too. Uzi it is.

357 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:31:58pm

re: #314 theheat

If hunters don't thin the deer herds, all the animals suffer in the winter, and some of them starve.

Also, fewer people are hunting, so there are more mountain lions.

But not enough to take up the slack.

Cal. fish and game relies on winter starvation to keep the deer population at an acceptable level.

Hunting is more humane, if you have good hunters.

This is the news from No. Cal.

358 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:31:59pm

re: #352 goddamnedfrank

Apparently I'm an Uzi. At least we're both made in Israel.

What kind of gun are you?

I am a sawed-off 16... not too pretty but here and now and watcha gonna do aboutit?

359 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:33:25pm

re: #329 theheat

Ithaca model 37 is my weapon of choice. I'm not one for finesse ;-) Besides, it's also been the number one zombie killer, if you're a fan of horror, which I am.

I far prefer the suspended piano technique.

Youtube Video
360 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:33:27pm

re: #352 goddamnedfrank

Apparently I'm an Uzi. At least we're both made in Israel.

What kind of gun are you?

.44 Magnum for me. I guess I felt lucky...

361 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:33:52pm

I'd be a lever action Winchester with an octagonal barrel, if I had to chose.

But that is silly, I'm a human.

362 researchok  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:34:12pm

re: #352 goddamnedfrank

Apparently I'm an Uzi. At least we're both made in Israel.

What kind of gun are you?

Uzi here

363 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:34:37pm

re: #357 Ojoe

I already said I'm not against hunting. I'm against canned hunting, and canned hunters. You want to eat deer meat? Be my guest. But I'm not going to help you dress it out, and I'm not eating any, myself.

364 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:35:14pm

re: #360 oaktree

.44 Magnum for me. I guess I felt lucky...

Same here, punk.
;)

365 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:35:18pm

re: #361 Ojoe

I'd be a lever action Winchester with an octagonal barrel, if I had to chose.

But that is silly, I'm a human.

Any proof of that??

366 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:35:33pm

re: #363 theheat

OK I'll eat it.

367 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:35:36pm

re: #352 goddamnedfrank

Apparently I'm an Uzi. At least we're both made in Israel.

What kind of gun are you?

I am a .44 Magnum.

Interesting.. I think.

368 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:36:05pm

re: #365 sattv4u2

Posting here I suppose, I've never seen a rifle post here.

/

369 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:36:24pm

re: #364 Varek Raith

Same here, punk.
;)

Hey, I picked Dirty Harry but got the Uzi! Must be the way I dress.

370 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:36:43pm

I'm an Uzi too. I haven't shot a gun since 1973, and that was a BB gun. I was a good shot, though. Take that, paper plate!

371 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:36:47pm

re: #363 theheat

re: #366 Ojoe

OK I'll eat it.

Me too


Venison Chili be DELISH

372 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:36:58pm

re: #367 Stanley Sea

I am a .44 Magnum.

Interesting.. I think.

My Dad will be proud. (must call him)

373 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:37:01pm

re: #368 Ojoe

Posting here I suppose, I've never seen a rifle post here.

/

Shoot!

374 researchok  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:37:10pm

re: #369 Gus 802

Hey, I picked Dirty Harry but got the Uzi! Must be the way I dress.

I'm not touching that.

375 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:38:01pm

re: #364 Varek Raith

Same here, punk.
;)

You got that because "Force Choke" wasn't an available option.

376 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:38:01pm

re: #374 researchok

I'm not touching that.

Da movie! Apocalypse Now was OK but a little too weird.

377 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:39:13pm

re: #371 sattv4u2

I can smell game meat a mile away, and it gags me. I was blessed(?) with the nose of a bloodhound.

378 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:39:16pm

Soooo is this now a gun thread?

379 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:39:22pm

re: #373 sattv4u2

Click bang.

380 researchok  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:39:43pm

re: #376 Gus 802

Da movie! Apocalypse Now was OK but a little too weird.

A little?

I think I enjoyed maybe 20 minutes of the film.

381 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:40:29pm

re: #378 brookly red

Sooo is this now a gun thread?

I reckon it is Hoss.

Care for some pineapple chaw?

//

382 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:40:43pm

re: #380 researchok

A little?

I think I enjoyed maybe 20 minutes of the film.

Oh the horror... it was 2nd only to a Clockwork.

383 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:41:11pm

re: #377 theheat

Fruit bats are supposedly very sweet and tasty.

384 Jadespring  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:41:14pm

I just experienced a computer induced home accident.

I got up to make some tea and didn't realize that my foot and the bottom half of my leg was completely asleep until I was already taking a step.

NO support.

Fell into the counter, knocked a plate and some glasses off (one broke), slid to the floor and somehow managed to gash my arm on something.

Scared one of the cats who was sleeping on the window sill and knocked off two of my herb pots. Dirt every where.

So then I'm on the floor bleeding with no feeling in my foot and BOTH dogs decided to hurry over to see what's wrong with Mom and I'm trying to get them to go away because there's broken glass on the floor and they're pawing right through it.

So yeah that's how I just spent the last 20 mins, bandaging, shooing hyped up animals and sweeping up dirt and glass.

The moral of my story?

Be careful....blogging can be dangerous.

So ye

385 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:41:14pm

re: #381 Gus 802

I reckon it is Hoss.

Care for some pineapple chaw?

//

bitch.

386 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:41:22pm

re: #378 brookly red

Not officially. I don't think it's a gun thread until we start talking about how we fantasize in print about killing people, and what we'd use, and how, and then something about Obama and communists.

387 researchok  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:42:04pm

re: #382 brookly red

Oh the horror... it was 2nd only to a Clockwork.

It was way too out there for me.

By the way, these are the Jaguars of guns.

388 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:42:52pm

re: #347 brookly red

real men use a Phillips screwdriver dipped in holy water...

Not on zombies, no way. Only hand-to-hand weapon I'd use against a zombie would be a pike/spear or a crowbar. But really, if they're within touching distance, I probably have far more problems than a crowbar can solve.

389 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:42:53pm

re: #386 theheat

Not officially. I don't think it's a gun thread until we start talking about how we fantasize in print about killing people, and what we'd use, and how, and then something about Obama and communists.

no I think we done crossed the line...

390 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:43:21pm

re: #377 theheat

I can smell game meat a mile away, and it gags me. I was blessed(?) with the nose of a bloodhound.

So somewhere, a poor bloodhound is walking around noseless because you have HIS!!

391 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:44:23pm

re: #384 Jadespring

I hope everyone recovers soon.

Forgive me for snickering a little as I read that.

392 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:44:56pm

re: #388 negativ

Not on zombies, no way. Only hand-to-hand weapon I'd use against a zombie would be a pike/spear or a crowbar. But really, if they're within touching distance, I probably have far more problems than a crowbar can solve.

let me for the record state that I reside in Kings County, and upclose & personal is our national pastime...

393 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:44:59pm

re: #389 brookly red

Which is why I wouldn't do it. But I've seen lots of those threads, particularly in the old days. Big turnoff, scary nuts, and very revealing about some people.

394 Jadespring  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:46:00pm

re: #391 wrenchwench

I hope everyone recovers soon.

Forgive me for snickering a little as I read that.

No worries. I expect the hubby will laugh his ass off when I have to explain why I have bandaids on my arm. :)

395 ozbloke  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:46:17pm

re: #384 Jadespring

I just experienced a computer induced home accident.

I got up to make some tea and didn't realize that my foot and the bottom half of my leg was completely asleep until I was already taking a step.

NO support.

Fell into the counter, knocked a plate and some glasses off (one broke), slid to the floor and somehow managed to gash my arm on something.

Scared one of the cats who was sleeping on the window sill and knocked off two of my herb pots. Dirt every where.

So then I'm on the floor bleeding with no feeling in my foot and BOTH dogs decided to hurry over to see what's wrong with Mom and I'm trying to get them to go away because there's broken glass on the floor and they're pawing right through it.

So yeah that's how I just spent the last 20 mins, bandaging, shooing hyped up animals and sweeping up dirt and glass.

The moral of my story?

Be careful...blogging can be dangerous.

So ye


{Jadespring}
Hope you are ok, you need some more spring in your step, may I suggest Jadespringspring

396 Jadespring  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:47:33pm

re: #395 ozbloke

{Jadespring}
Hope you are ok, you need some more spring in your step, may I suggest Jadespringspring

That's a groaner. :D

397 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:47:41pm

re: #394 Jadespring

No worries. I expect the hubby will laugh his ass off when I have to explain why I have bandaids on my arm. :)

It was the cat!
;)

398 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:47:51pm

re: #393 theheat

Which is why I wouldn't do it. But I've seen lots of those threads, particularly in the old days. Big turnoff, scary nuts, and very revealing about some people.

yet here we are...

399 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:48:31pm

re: #370 wrenchwench

I'm an Uzi too. I haven't shot a gun since 1973, and that was a BB gun. I was a good shot, though. Take that, paper plate!

I was kind of hoping to be a Schofield in .44 Russian, but I guess I'm not cowboy enough.

400 Mocking Jay  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:49:17pm

re: #350 Ojoe

If a state can have dry counties and wet counties, why cannot it have smokey counties and clear counties? Or the whole state?

Yeah I know, alcohol was re-legalized in 1932.

Joe, when you call Holder a moron above you are, in a sense, asking for the DoJ to legislate. The law needs to be changed. We can agree on that. But until it is I'd like to have an Executive Branch that enforces the laws regardless of whether or not it likes them.

401 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:49:45pm

re: #399 goddamnedfrank

I was kind of hoping to be a Schofield in .44 Russian, but I guess I'm not cowboy enough.

/no, but even a simple quiz can tell your a commie.

402 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:49:50pm

re: #370 wrenchwench

I'm an Uzi too. I haven't shot a gun since 1973, and that was a BB gun. I was a good shot, though. Take that, paper plate!

I hate paper plates!

//

403 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:50:39pm

re: #402 Gus 802

I hate paper plates!

//

We fired shotguns when I was in Boy Scouts.
:P

404 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:51:42pm

re: #400 JasonA

Yes you are right, the laws should just be enforced across the board & in fact if the immigration laws were more vigorously enforced, we would have fewer armed mexican drug cartel types up here in the woods trying to grow big pot plantations.

405 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:52:15pm

re: #284 Ojoe

ROFLMAO

George Carlin, perhaps, or George Burns. Suitable for either.

406 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:52:33pm

re: #403 Varek Raith

We fired shotguns when I was in Boy Scouts.
:P

Did you? I forgot if I did -- might have been once. But did the rifle and BB gun thing quite a few times. Used to use the BB gun in the backyard all the time. I kind of like the Marlin 30-30.

Image: zoom_336W.jpg

407 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:55:30pm

/OK all you liberals, show us yer guns! :)

408 Gus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:55:39pm

Cripes. It's still "hot" around here. Damn hit 82.

409 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:56:42pm

re: #398 brookly red

(Zombies aren't people, so they don't count.) I was referring to the stalker bloggers and their imaginary last stand threads. There were a lot of them way back when. That isn't the gist of today's thread thank god.

410 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 4:59:04pm

re: #409 theheat

(Zombies aren't people, so they don't count.) I was referring to the stalker bloggers and their imaginary last stand threads. There were a lot of them way back when. That isn't the gist of today's thread thank god.

uhh, don't get wobbley on me just admit you like your gun(s) and be done with it :)

411 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:00:45pm

re: #403 Varek Raith

We fired shotguns when I was in Boy Scouts.
:P

There's a merit badge for that too.

412 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:01:38pm

re: #410 brookly red

Done!

413 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:01:50pm

Cool Towercam!

Back later.

414 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:04:54pm

re: #407 brookly red

/OK all you liberals, show us yer guns! :)

{{{liberals far and wide pull up their sleeves and flex,,,,

wha,, huh ,, oh ,, not THOSE guns!?!?!?}}}}

415 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:05:29pm

re: #412 theheat

Done!

so just git over it, were Americans! left or right we like our guns damnit!

416 reine.de.tout  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:05:30pm

re: #277 sattv4u2

Whatdidhedo?
Or did you whack him one!!

oh ,, HEY ALL !!!

SATT!
We dunno what he did. Doc thinks it was a build-up of injuries over time. That's the idea du jour. We'll see what the next idea is if the Roi has to go back in a couple of weeks.

417 calochortus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:05:31pm

re: #320 negativ

Fort Worth city councilman tells gay teens "it gets better".

[Video]

I saw that this morning. Kudos to him for having the guts to do that. There have been a number of people making the "it gets better" statement lately. Kudos to them as well.

I realize bullying has been going on forever, but it seems to have become absolutely unrelenting with the advent of social media. "Kids will be kids" just doesn't cut it as a response any more.

418 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:07:09pm

re: #414 sattv4u2

{{{liberals far and wide pull up their sleeves and flex,,,

wha,, huh ,, oh ,, not THOSE guns!?!?!?}}}

oh don't be fooled lefties pack heat too... they just hate it when others do it :)

419 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:07:33pm

re: #416 reine.de.tout

SATT!
We dunno what he did. Doc thinks it was a build-up of injuries over time. That's the idea du jour. We'll see what the next idea is if the Roi has to go back in a couple of weeks.

REINE ,,,
bout time ya noticed me!!!


Well ,, if you want, I have a regimen of exercises (low stress) that builds the muscles up around the problem

420 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:08:49pm

re: #416 reine.de.tout

SATT!
We dunno what he did. Doc thinks it was a build-up of injuries over time. That's the idea du jour. We'll see what the next idea is if the Roi has to go back in a couple of weeks.

Tai Chi cures many wounds...

421 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:09:17pm

re: #416 reine.de.tout

re: #419 sattv4u2

REINE ,,,
bout time ya noticed me!!!

Well ,, if you want, I have a regimen of exercises (low stress) that builds the muscles up around the problem


Sounds like a rotator cuff, perhaps

Been There,, Done That ,, fixed SANS surgery

422 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:09:45pm

re: #420 brookly red

Tai Chi cures many wounds...

Is that your doctors name?

423 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:11:09pm

re: #422 sattv4u2

Is that your doctors name?

in a way yes... Chinese medicine has its good side.

424 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:12:46pm

re: #423 brookly red

in a way yes... Chinese medicine has its good side.

cat meat poultice

425 theheat  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:13:27pm

re: #417 calochortus

Used to be you'd be teased at school, not have your videos posted and pics texted to a gazillion people, or be scorned on web sites. Social media and instant communication has exacerbated the problem way beyond anything most people ever had to just "buck up to" before.

426 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:14:16pm

re: #407 brookly red

/OK all you liberals, show us yer guns! :)

Due to a sudden and unforeseen need to raise a relatively large amount of cash in a short time (thanks, mom, damn fine work on that one), I sold a pre-ban AR-15 A2 for $500. About 9 months later, the Brady Ban went into effect, and you couldn't lay your eyeballs on one for less than $2000. STILL wish I had that damned thing. Grr!

427 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:14:33pm

By the way, it is precisely the fact that there are plenty of firearms in the hands of normal, sane people, that keeps the crazies from taking over.

Now really back later, it is time to make dinner.

428 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:17:57pm

re: #426 negativ

Due to a sudden and unforeseen need to raise a relatively large amount of cash in a short time (thanks, mom, damn fine work on that one), I sold a pre-ban AR-15 A2 for $500. About 9 months later, the Brady Ban went into effect, and you couldn't lay your eyeballs on one for less than $2000. STILL wish I had that damned thing. Grr!

a point on investing, buy smart & hold... I got an Endsfeild 303. for $30 dollars in 80.

429 calochortus  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:21:19pm

re: #425 theheat

Nor was it as easy for your tormentors to contact you directly in your 'off hours. There was the phone, but your parents were fairly likely to answer it.

430 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:22:25pm

re: #407 brookly red

/OK all you liberals, show us yer guns! :)

Sure thing. Burn a cross on my lawn.

431 Vambo  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:23:09pm

re: #21 Gus 802

Image of the child.

Image: oregon.jpg

Warning. It's a bit hard to look at.

I'm gonna barf.

I looked at the pic, and then thought - Glenn Beck thinks this is ok? This is "parent's rights"?

432 brookly red  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:26:34pm

re: #430 Decatur Deb

Sure thing. Burn a cross on my lawn.

in a strange way I get that ;)

433 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:30:08pm

re: #387 researchok

It was way too out there for me.

By the way, these are the Jaguars of guns.

I'd rather have the Jaguar of Jaguars :D

434 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:42:24pm

re: #433 WindUpBird

I'd rather have the Jaguar of Jaguars :D

E type under glass

435 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:43:00pm

re: #331 brookly red

/actually deep down, you strike me as a knife type...

Only verbally.

436 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:44:56pm

re: #341 negativ

Huge, heavy, stupid, and not practical for anything.

Humbug! Real Men use Remington 870s!
///

My dad taught me to shoot with his old 38 service revolver, and frankly, it's my idea of a gun. Nice, basic, gun. These fiddly modern things with CLIPS don't appeal to me.

437 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:48:20pm

re: #362 researchok

Uzi here

Me too. A suprise!

438 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:50:04pm

re: #370 wrenchwench

I'm an Uzi too. I haven't shot a gun since 1973, and that was a BB gun. I was a good shot, though. Take that, paper plate!

My mother is a better natural shot than either my father or me, and she absolutely can't be bothered with the guns. She tolerates their presence in her home, but that's about it.

But if my dad coaxes enough, she can pick up his old 22 rifle and take out a line of random picnic crap on a fence rail with great aplomb.

439 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 5:51:14pm

re: #376 Gus 802

Da movie! Apocalypse Now was OK but a little too weird.

I fell asleep during Apocalypse Now. It was the weirdest damn thing I have ever seen. I think it was around the Playboy models, or possibly the French colonial family, that I just gave up. I didn't care what happened to any of these people.

440 joest73  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 6:01:01pm

What's missing from the Media Matters snip is the back and forth discussion that took place about the issue for a few minutes before this clip.

Unfortunately, Glenn probably didn't do his homework on this one. They were talking about this story:
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-city/index.ssf/2010/10/state_wins_custody_of_oregon_city_girl_in_faith-healing_case.html

Beck probably did see this picture of the poor infant. I am a conservative catholic but no "faith" would allow me to let one of our kids suffer like this infant girl.

Still....media matters missed the point.....they were reaching for a story by making a big deal out of the "Meet Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson" comment.

The bigger issue is how Beck made light of a infant that has to be suffering from that growth on here eye.

441 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 6:01:33pm

re: #439 SanFranciscoZionist

I fell asleep during Apocalypse Now. It was the weirdest damn thing I have ever seen. I think it was around the Playboy models, or possibly the French colonial family, that I just gave up. I didn't care what happened to any of these people.

You know the story source?

442 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 6:09:55pm

re: #441 Decatur Deb

You know the story source?

No, I don't know much about the movie at all. My husband and I set out to see it because it was supposed to be this great masterpiece.

I woke up the next morning and thought "I had the strangest dream, about going down a river through a jungle, and there were all these weird people..."

And then I realized I was just recalling having fallen asleep in front of "Apocalypse Now".

The helicopter guy was brilliant.

443 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 6:11:25pm

re: #442 SanFranciscoZionist

It's Conrad's "Heart of Darkness" torqued around and set in our century. That;s where much of the creepy comes from.

444 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 6:16:30pm

re: #443 Decatur Deb

It's Conrad's "Heart of Darkness" torqued around and set in our century. That;s where much of the creepy comes from.

Ah. Never read that. Probably should. Does "Heart of Darkness" feature an unexpected visitation of Playboy Bunnies, though?

445 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 6:19:09pm

re: #444 SanFranciscoZionist

Nah. That was the comic relief. It features the jungle claustrophobia.

446 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 6:20:28pm

re: #444 SanFranciscoZionist

It was inspired by the depraved tale of Congo Free State, a privately controlled government that, as you might expect, self-destructed in lots of horrible ways.

The baskets of severed hands, set down at the feet of the European post commanders, became the symbol of the Congo Free State. ... The collection of hands became an end in itself. Force Publique soldiers brought them to the stations in place of rubber; they even went out to harvest them instead of rubber... They became a sort of currency. They came to be used to make up for shortfalls in rubber quotas, to replace... the people who were demanded for the forced labour gangs; and the Force Publique soldiers were paid their bonuses on the basis of how many hands they collected.

In theory, each right hand proved a killing. In practice, soldiers sometimes "cheated" by simply cutting off the hand and leaving the victim to live or die. More than a few survivors later said that they had lived through a massacre by acting dead, not moving even when their hands were severed, and waiting till the soldiers left before seeking help. In some instances a soldier could shorten his service term by bringing more hands than the other soldiers, which led to widespread mutilations and dismemberment.

447 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 6:20:58pm

Grr, link for above quote:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

448 William of Orange  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 6:28:47pm

That's what the Mormon faith does to you; it clouds your view and makes you think you're living in the dark ages...

449 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 6:33:19pm

re: #444 SanFranciscoZionist

Ah. Never read that. Probably should. Does "Heart of Darkness" feature an unexpected visitation of Playboy Bunnies, though?

Not so much, it's set in colonial Congo. Eleanor Coppola made an excellent documentary about the Apocalypse Now film shoot called Hearts of Darkness. It's a study in barely controlled dysfunction:

Youtube Video
Youtube Video
450 lostlakehiker  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 6:34:28pm

re: #446 negativ

It was inspired by the depraved tale of Congo Free State, a privately controlled government that, as you might expect, self-destructed in lots of horrible ways.

Congo Free State was the tool of Leopold the Builder, King of Belgium. Bruce Bueno di Mosquito, in his book "The Predictioneer's Game", describes all this, as well as the relatively benign face that Leopold presented to the Belgians [who had it in their power to depose him if he treated them badly.] Bruce concludes that people, even the most innately demonic, respond to incentives. Watch, then, the moral is, and do not give too much power to anyone, even a Leopold the Builder. You never know what he'd be like given absolute power, until it's too late.

451 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 6:37:29pm

re: #450 lostlakehiker

Congo Free State was the tool of Leopold the Builder, King of Belgium. Bruce Bueno di Mosquito, in his book "The Predictioneer's Game", describes all this, as well as the relatively benign face that Leopold presented to the Belgians [who had it in their power to depose him if he treated them badly.] Bruce concludes that people, even the most innately demonic, respond to incentives. Watch, then, the moral is, and do not give too much power to anyone, even a Leopold the Builder. You never know what he'd be like given absolute power, until it's too late.

and the world is about to witness a 3rd generation lineal communist monarchy in N. Korea

452 William of Orange  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 7:27:01pm

And to be honest....

this makes more sence.
Watch it and laugh!! Hahaha!!

453 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 7:36:33pm

re: #341 negativ

Huge, heavy, stupid, and not practical for anything.

Humbug! Real Men use Remington 870s!
///

Not sure where this sidetrack started but I'm fond of the FN P90.

454 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 7:53:50pm

re: #15 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I guess it is time to return to the good ole days of polio, whooping cough, and other preventable diseases. It must be God's plan.

The Frank Burns school of medicine...

/M*A*S*H (the movie)

455 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 8:55:33pm

re: #448 William of Orange

That's what the Mormon faith does to you; it clouds your view and makes you think you're living in the dark ages...

Come on now, I gave mormon friends who could internet circles around you, dude. :) Unless by dark ages you mean "build your own websites from scratch, write and create and draw webcomics and make a living off it"

456 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 8:55:43pm

re: #455 WindUpBird

Come on now, I gave mormon friends who could internet circles around you, dude. :) Unless by dark ages you mean "build your own websites from scratch, write and create and draw webcomics and make a living off it"

gave=know

457 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 8:56:56pm

re: #439 SanFranciscoZionist

I fell asleep during Apocalypse Now. It was the weirdest damn thing I have ever seen. I think it was around the Playboy models, or possibly the French colonial family, that I just gave up. I didn't care what happened to any of these people.


Apocalypse Now is the weirdest movie you've ever seen?


Also :( it's one of my favorite movies of all time

458 [deleted]  Fri, Oct 15, 2010 9:52:19pm
459 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 1:58:25am

Did ya listen to the whole thing? I didn't think so. Sad.

460 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:08:06am

re: #459 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did ya listen to the whole thing? I didn't think so. Sad.

What did you mean by this;
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
???

461 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 2:09:03am

Whoopsie, posted in the wrong thread.

462 Catttt  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:49:39pm

I've been out of the loop (e.g., ignoring this crap), but this Beck guy - nuts, right? So why are people still listening to him? Oh, wait. History repeats itself.

463 Catttt  Sat, Oct 16, 2010 8:55:36pm

re: #457 WindUpBird

I viewed Apocalypse Now from scatch, with no backstory. As I watched it, keeping in mind I was an English major, I thought, "This is very familiar - hold on - this is a lot like that novella by Joseph Conrad that I read in college - - - - !!!" Consequently, when I had my "aha - they based the movie on the novella!!" moment, it felt like an old friend. An old, weird friend.

464 thinker  Mon, Oct 18, 2010 7:58:26am

One is privileged to threaten more force than he is legally allowed to use - especially in the case of trespassing. But, it could escalate if the one threatened actually feels imminent danger and responds with like force or the person threatening the force actually uses it. To say Beck actually advocated murdering is a stretch for the objective commentary.

Nonetheless, to mention it as he does, when some take his writings to an extreme, could be dangerous.


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