Franklin Graham on Donald Trump: 'Maybe This Guy's Right'

Franklin Graham on Donald Trump: ‘Maybe This Guy’s Right’

Did Billy’s kid join the Birther Bunch?

WingnutsApril 2011 • Views: 29,853

Franklin Graham, who’s notorious for his anti-Muslim bigotry (recently he said that Barack Obama was tainted by “the seed of Islam”), told Christiane Amanpour today that Donald Trump might be his candidate of choice.

The Rev. Franklin Graham, whose family has served as spiritual advisers to numerous prominent political figures, told “This Week” anchor Christiane Amanpour that businessman Donald Trump might be his candidate of choice in 2012 and that he does not think former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin will run for president.

“Donald Trump, when I first saw that he was getting in, I thought, well, this has got to be a joke,” said Graham. “But the more you listen to him, the more you say to yourself, you know, maybe this guy’s right.”

Since the main issue that Donald Trump has been moronically hammering for the past few weeks has been Birtherism, is Franklin Graham now joining the Birther Bunch?

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208 comments

Targetpractice Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:13:07pm

You know, there’s gonna be a lot of folks losing their frakin’ minds if The Donald decides that he doesn’t really wanna run.

Kragar Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:14:43pm

You can also say to yourself “You know, this guy is a fucking idiot.”

albusteve Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:15:46pm

I cannot trust a man so ‘close’ to god…

researchok Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:16:20pm

If I were a Dem I’d be delighted Trump might be the GOP candidate.

That would pretty much guarantee Obama’s re election without much effort.

EdDantes Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:16:28pm

re: #1 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I hope he doesn’t run because he might get the nomination. He has been rightly compared to P.T. Barnum

justaminute Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:17:31pm

We will know in the middle of May when ABC announces their new fall line up. That’s funny having to wait for a candidate for President that is waiting to see if his reality show gets picked up. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

albusteve Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:18:08pm

re: #5 EdDantes

I hope he doesn’t run because he might get the nomination. He has been rightly compared to P.T. Barnum

really, go from neophyte senator to a real estate developer seems like the exact wrong direction to move

jaunte Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:18:12pm

Graham is just another junior who took over dad’s business.

recusancy Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:18:46pm

re: #5 EdDantes

I hope he doesn’t run because he might get the nomination. He has been rightly compared to P.T. Barnum

Trump wishes he was Barnum.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:19:02pm

Another one? What the fuck is wrong with America, it’s like we just turned the country upside down and Mississippi Burning fell out

albusteve Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:19:11pm

re: #8 jaunte

Graham is just another junior who took over dad’s business.

yup and business is booming for the punchers

goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:19:25pm

re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You can also say to yourself “You know, this guy is a fucking idiot.”

You may say to yourself, my God, what have I done?

Youtube Video

albusteve Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:20:04pm

OPRAH IN ‘12!
at least VP

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:20:49pm

re: #11 albusteve

yup and business is booming for the punchers

little vaudeville, little shuck and jive, some potion for the whooping cough

HOLY MOSES LOOKIT HIM, HE’S HEALED

PhillyPretzel Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:20:54pm

re: #13 albusteve
Tom Selleck in 2012

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:21:13pm

Billy Graham, you a

HOODOO

OPERATOR

Youtube Video

OPERATE

albusteve Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:21:46pm

re: #10 WindUpBird

Another one? What the fuck is wrong with America, it’s like we just turned the country upside down and Mississippi Burning fell out

easy answer…the door has been kicked in and every self righteous, nosy fucking godhead just barged into your crib

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:22:28pm

Oh, I seen him walkin
On down that road
He got a broken white man
With a heavy load
Oh, Lord have mercy
Upon my foolish soul
It is so cold and dark
Behind these eyes of coal
It’s the hoodoo operator
Hoodoo operator
Hoodoo operator
Hoodoo operator

Operate!

elizajane Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:22:36pm

Politico has a lead story on Birtherism right now, blaming the whole thing on the Democrats and linking it, by vague insinuation, to 9/11 Trutherism (Ben Smith has a post on that, too — another of those False Equivalency Fairy magic pieces).
However, the main story concludes:

Some Republicans take the position out of a basic respect for facts, but they also worry about its consequences for their party.

“It makes us look weird. It makes us look crazy. It makes us look demented. It makes us look sick, troubled, and not suitable for civilized company,” one of the first conservatives to turn against the birthers, talk show host Michael Medved, said in 2009. “I’m not a conspiracist, but this could be a very big conspiracy to make conservatives disgrace themselves.”

Read more: politico.com

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:22:50pm

re: #16 WindUpBird

lol, Franklin, not Billy ahahaha

that’s what i get for waking up without caffiene

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:23:17pm

re: #17 albusteve

easy answer…the door has been kicked in and every self righteous, nosy fucking godhead just barged into your crib

it’s like the Dot com boom! Everyone wants a piece!

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:24:16pm

re: #19 elizajane

Politico blamin’ the black man? say it ain’t so Joe

because that’s the subtext

Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:26:29pm

re: #13 albusteve

OPRAH IN ‘12!
at least VP

I trust her!

EdDantes Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:31:52pm

re: #9 recusancy

Trump wishes he was Barnum.

And I meant no offense to Barnum.re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You can also say to yourself “You know, this guy is a fucking idiot.”

In your guts, you know he’s nuts.

recusancy Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:31:53pm

This looks like an interesting book: amazon.com Anybody here reading it by chance?

wrenchwench Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:32:34pm

re: #19 elizajane

Politico has a lead story on Birtherism right now, blaming the whole thing on the Democrats and linking it, by vague insinuation, to 9/11 Trutherism (Ben Smith has a post on that, too — another of those False Equivalency Fairy magic pieces).
However, the main story concludes:

Some Republicans take the position out of a basic respect for facts, but they also worry about its consequences for their party.

“It makes us look weird. It makes us look crazy. It makes us look demented. It makes us look sick, troubled, and not suitable for civilized company,” one of the first conservatives to turn against the birthers, talk show host Michael Medved, said in 2009. “I’m not a conspiracist, but this could be a very big conspiracy to make conservatives disgrace themselves.”

I think Medved is a conspiracist. Isn’t he an AGW denier? Gotta be a conspiracist to do that these days.

justaminute Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:33:20pm

re: #19 elizajane

I love the birther commentators asking Ben to take on the case of fact checking the birth certificate and the need to have both parents being American citizens.

recusancy Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:33:34pm

Happy Krauthammer Day!

Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:34:39pm

If Trump’s not careful he’s going to end up running for President. I was laughing at the Republicans for falling for such an obvious hoax but I’m starting to feel it’s become a national embarrassment.

Buck Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:37:35pm

Most conservatives think this issue is stupid. Karl Rove, O’Reilly, Beck…. all think this is as dumb as can be.

I think this is the same as the minority of liberals who thought Bush was a war criminal that should have been impeached. Or the idiots that believed Loose Change. Or the nuts that thought Bush was just a puppet of Karl Rove and VP Chaney. All equally dumb ideas if you ask me.

Talking Point Detective Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:37:48pm

re: #4 researchok

If I were a Dem I’d be delighted Trump might be the GOP candidate.

That would pretty much guarantee Obama’s re election without much effort.

Is there a GOP candidate for which that strategy wouldn’t apply?

albusteve Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:37:53pm

re: #29 Killgore Trout

If Trump’s not careful he’s going to end up running for President. I was laughing at the Republicans for falling for such an obvious hoax but I’m starting to feel it’s become a national embarrassment.

when he wins the POTUS, we’ll all have the old, stale “get behind the president argument” again….times are changing and I don’t see Trump any worse than the next rube…it’s not over by a wide margin yet

Talking Point Detective Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:38:27pm

re: #30 Buck

Most conservatives think this issue is stupid. Karl Rove, O’Reilly, Beck… all think this is as dumb as can be.

I think this is the same as the minority of liberals who thought Bush was a war criminal that should have been impeached. Or the idiots that believed Loose Change. Or the nuts that thought Bush was just a puppet of Karl Rove and VP Chaney. All equally dumb ideas if you ask me.

Buck. Have you seen the polls?

wrenchwench Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:40:14pm

re: #30 Buck

Most conservatives think this issue is stupid. Karl Rove, O’Reilly, Beck… all think this is as dumb as can be.

I think this is the same as the minority of liberals who thought Bush was a war criminal that should have been impeached. Or the idiots that believed Loose Change. Or the nuts that thought Bush was just a puppet of Karl Rove and VP Chaney. All equally dumb ideas if you ask me.

Wow. I had not spotted the four-legged Magical Balance Fairy before today.

bratwurst Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:40:25pm

re: #30 Buck

Most conservatives think this issue is stupid. Karl Rove, O’Reilly, Beck… all think this is as dumb as can be.

I think this is the same as the minority of liberals who thought Bush was a war criminal that should have been impeached. Or the idiots that believed Loose Change. Or the nuts that thought Bush was just a puppet of Karl Rove and VP Chaney. All equally dumb ideas if you ask me.

If a “truther” candidate had ever polled as the preferred Democratic presidential nominee, you would have an awesome point!

Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:40:48pm

Amazing. The birther virus is spreading and has almost reached pandemic proportions.

Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:42:08pm

re: #36 Gus 802

Amazing. The birther virus is spreading and has almost reached pandemic proportions.

That’s all they’ve got. Pretty embarrassing.

albusteve Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:42:34pm

re: #36 Gus 802

Amazing. The birther virus is spreading and has almost reached pandemic proportions.

they will vote straight GOP anyway so it’s a wash

Varek Raith Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:43:49pm

re: #30 Buck

Oh geez.

albusteve Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:43:52pm

re: #37 Stanley Sea

That’s all they’ve got. Pretty embarrassing.

it’s their Hope n Change

Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:43:56pm

re: #37 Stanley Sea

That’s all they’ve got. Pretty embarrassing.

Pretty much. I suppose we could add anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-science and feeble tax-policy talk. Of course they’re not even really for small government since they’re all crazy about prisons and an excessive amount of military spending.

Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:43:57pm

It’s looking like Drudge’s attempt at race baiting might fail. He gross video he’s using to incite racial animosity may have been a case of a crossdressing man in the woman’s bathroom.
McDonald’s Employee Took Credit For Filming Brutal Beating In Baltimore Fast Food Joint

As seen above, in a Facebook posting, Hackett has contended that the woman seen getting beaten in the video was actually a male cross-dresser who got into a confrontation with female patrons when he refused to leave the women’s bathroom at the Baltimore eatery.

He also claims the seizure was fake so I think we can take his claims with a grain of salt.
Btw, the video is very disturbing. I wish I hadn’t watched it.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:44:28pm

re: #8 jaunte

Graham is just another junior who took over dad’s business.

Yeah, but I don’t think his words mean he’s a birther. “Maybe this guy’s right” isn’t an endorsement. We’ll have to wait and see.

Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:45:50pm

re: #32 albusteve

I don’t see Trump any worse than the next rube

That’s a serious problem. You should be able to see a difference.

Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:45:57pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

It’s looking like Drudge’s attempt at race baiting might fail. He gross video he’s using to incite racial animosity may have been a case of a crossdressing man in the woman’s bathroom.
McDonald’s Employee Took Credit For Filming Brutal Beating In Baltimore Fast Food Joint

He also claims the seizure was fake so I think we can take his claims with a grain of salt.
Btw, the video is very disturbing. I wish I hadn’t watched it.

In which case the bigoted wingnut transphobes won’t care. Really? Cripes, what a country.

goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:46:19pm

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but I don’t think his words mean he’s a birther. “Maybe this guy’s right” isn’t an endorsement. We’ll have to wait and see.

Three words, “seed of Islam.”

Face facts, Franklin Graham is trash.

wrenchwench Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:46:30pm

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but I don’t think his words mean he’s a birther. “Maybe this guy’s right” isn’t an endorsement. We’ll have to wait and see.

So he’s either a birther or a birther-panderer. Neither position has anything respectable about it.

albusteve Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:47:13pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

That’s a serious problem. You should be able to see a difference.

the differences or lack of are posted here everyday….why would Trump make a worse president than BO?….it’s just a crapshoot

recusancy Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:48:09pm

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but I don’t think his words mean he’s a birther. “Maybe this guy’s right” isn’t an endorsement. We’ll have to wait and see.

What does he think he’s right about? Trump has already demonstrated a grasp of domestic and foreign policies on par with, or worse than, Palin’s.

wrenchwench Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:48:58pm

re: #48 albusteve

the differences or lack of are posted here everyday…why would Trump make a worse president than BO?…it’s just a crapshoot

He could turn the country into a big casino and bankrupt it. He could turn it into a reality show and get it canceled. What could he do that would be good?

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:49:10pm

news on the autism/vaccination scare front nytimes.com

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:49:37pm

re: #50 wrenchwench

He could turn the country into a big casino and bankrupt it. He could turn it into a reality show and get it canceled. What could he do that would be good?

Not this town! We got our own state gambling, hahahah

Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:50:15pm

re: #30 Buck

Most conservatives think this issue is stupid. Karl Rove, O’Reilly, Beck… all think this is as dumb as can be.

I think this is the same as the minority of liberals who thought Bush was a war criminal that should have been impeached. Or the idiots that believed Loose Change. Or the nuts that thought Bush was just a puppet of Karl Rove and VP Chaney. All equally dumb ideas if you ask me.

I’m going to do something I otherwise don’t do anymore and link to a column by Michelle Malkin (Charles, please delete this if you feel the link inappropriate). This one on NRO and isn’t bigoted. I use it only to explain that National Review isn’t confused about who Donald Trump is, and they know he’s no species of conservative:

Trump’s Eminent-Domain Empire

Don’t be fooled by the Donald. Take it from one who knows: I’m a South Jersey gal who was raised on the outskirts of Atlantic City in the looming shadow of Trump’s towers. All through my childhood, casino developers and government bureaucrats joined hands, raised taxes, and made dazzling promises of urban renewal. Then we wised up to the eminent-domain thievery championed by our hometown faux free-marketeers.

America, it’s time you wised up to Donald Trump’s property-redistribution racket, too.

Trump has been wooing conservative activists for months and flirting with a GOP presidential run — first at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington and most recently at a tea-party event in South Florida. He touts his business experience, “high aptitude,” and “bragadocious” deal-making abilities. But he’s no more a standard bearer of conservative values, limited government, and constitutional principles than the cast of Jersey Shore.

Too many mega-developers like Trump have achieved success by using and abusing the government’s ability to commandeer private property for purported “public use.” Invoking the Fifth Amendment takings clause, real-estate moguls, parking-garage builders, mall developers, and sports-palace architects have colluded with elected officials to pull off legalized theft in the name of reducing “blight.” Under eminent domain, the definition of “public purpose” has been stretched like Silly Putty to cover everything from roads and bridges to high-end retail stores, baseball stadiums, and casinos.

Malkin’s an ass, but she’s right about Trump. He has zero respect for the property of others.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:50:18pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

That’s a serious problem. You should be able to see a difference.

I think Trump’s better than Palin! WAY better than Palin.

Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:50:21pm

Being earth day and all, the new patch for Fate of the World is out. I’m going to go get sucked into that for a bit. Later Lizards, its time to save and/or destroy the world.

albusteve Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:50:32pm

re: #50 wrenchwench

He could turn the country into a big casino and bankrupt it. He could turn it into a reality show and get it canceled. What could he do that would be good?

congress ruins the economy, not presidents…as for what’s good, that’s a good question, one that should be asked of any candidate, most of which are idiots

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:50:43pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

ahaha I was just thinking ‘Nobody talks about Malkin anymore, she’s fallen off the A-list blog radar’

Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:51:11pm

re: #49 recusancy

What does he think he’s right about? Trump has already demonstrated a grasp of domestic and foreign policies on par with, or worse than, Palin’s.

I dunno. I don’t think Trump is right about anything.

Talking Point Detective Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:52:07pm

re: #48 albusteve

the differences or lack of are posted here everyday…why would Trump make a worse president than BO?…it’s just a crapshoot

I always find it amusing when someone pretending to be interested in serious dialog refers to Obama as BO. As if it doesn’t mark you as being both juvenile and categorically partisan.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:52:42pm

re: #57 WindUpBird

ahaha I was just thinking ‘Nobody talks about Malkin anymore, she’s fallen off the A-list blog radar’

Well, I don’t like her, but the point was worth making. Respect for private property has always been a core conservative value, and its one that Donald Trump has no respect for. National Review is right to call attention to that fact.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:53:06pm

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

I dunno. I don’t think Trump is right about anything.

Which basically makes him exactly like the GOP field, save Romney, and the old Huckabee, before Huckabee tossed in with the witchdoctors

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:53:29pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

Well, I don’t like her, but the point was worth making. Respect for private property has always been a core conservative value, and its one that Donald Trump has no respect for. National Review is right to call attention to that fact.

Palin, if she is elected, will have secessionists and klansmen running her presidency

Trump won’t.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:53:39pm

re: #59 Talking Point Detective

I always find it amusing when someone pretending to be interested in serious dialog refers to Obama as BO. As if it doesn’t mark you as being both juvenile and categorically partisan.

Steve doesn’t mean anything by it. And he’s more mature most people you’d care to name.

albusteve Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:53:43pm

re: #59 Talking Point Detective

I always find it amusing when someone pretending to be interested in serious dialog refers to Obama as BO. As if it doesn’t mark you as being both juvenile and categorically partisan.

fuck off….that’s his initials and I’ve used that shortcut the whole way….find something important to try and wrap your over sensitive brain around, child

recusancy Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:53:52pm

re: #59 Talking Point Detective

I always find it amusing when someone pretending to be interested in serious dialog refers to Obama as BO. As if it doesn’t mark you as being both juvenile and categorically partisan.

He thinks Obama is just a male Oprah. He just duped all the ignorant Americans (of which he is NOT one!) into thinking he was competent and smart.

Varek Raith Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:54:13pm

Iowa GOPers Attempting To Impeach Four Judges Who Overturned Same-Sex Marriage Ban

Facepalm.

albusteve Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:55:18pm

re: #65 recusancy

He thinks Obama is just a male Oprah. He just duped all the ignorant Americans (of which he is NOT one!) into thinking he was competent and smart.

weak…you really have turned out to be a disappointment

Talking Point Detective Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:56:03pm

re: #64 albusteve

fuck off…that’s his initials and I’ve used that shortcut the whole way…find something important to try and wrap your over sensitive brain around, child

Right. You also refer to Bush as GB? McCain as JM? Sarah Palin as SP?

It’s just a coincidence that you refer to someone you disagree with politically as BO.

Gotcha.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:56:21pm

re: #66 Varek Raith

Iowa GOPers Attempting To Impeach Four Judges Who Overturned Same-Sex Marriage Ban

Facepalm.

Thankfully, it looks like the resolution is doomed. From the article:

But Iowa House Speaker Kraig Paulsen (R) on Friday took some of the wind out of their sails, saying the resolutions won’t yet be debated because they must go through the House Judiciary Committee first, which is not scheduled to meet for the rest of this year’s legislative session. “While I agree with much of the reasoning behind the impeachment resolutions, I disagree with this remedy,” Paulsen said, “I do not expect it to be debated on the floor of the House, and if it is, I will vote no.”

The Supreme Court issued a statement in response, saying that “impeachment is not appropriate.”

“Deciding a question in a lawsuit about whether a law violates a provision of the constitution is a fundamental role of courts in our system of government,” the statement said. “Both state and federal courts have exercised this responsibility in countless cases, many of them controversial, for over 200 years.”

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:56:42pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

Palin is not a principled person, any stand she takes is not relevant. None of it is real. Just look at the people close to her, the people in her ear, the people running her show. Militia secessionists. Anti-American separatists. Alaskan crazies. Uneducated hillbillies.

Might as well pick a candidate from federal prison at random, it could not be worse

trump? Trump’s a star. This is a game. He wouldn’t deign to spit on Palin, he’s just a smarmy rich guy. he’s not a secessionist, he’s just a used car salesman writ enormous

recusancy Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:57:09pm

re: #67 albusteve

weak…you really have turned out to be a disappointment

It means a lot that you were pulling for me.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:57:48pm

re: #62 WindUpBird

Palin, if she is elected, will have secessionists and klansmen running her presidency

Trump won’t.

Faulting Trump does not equal supporting Palin.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:57:51pm

re: #59 Talking Point Detective

I always find it amusing when someone pretending to be interested in serious dialog refers to Obama as BO. As if it doesn’t mark you as being both juvenile and categorically partisan.

haha dude I call him BO when i’m in a hurry typing, and I’m voting for him twice

this is the twitter generation, I type fast, I got a lot of windows open. twenty or thirty windows at the moment. I abbreviate :D

Varek Raith Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:58:13pm

re: #67 albusteve

re: #71 recusancy

Knock it off you two.
Go sit in the happy hippy drum circle.
And smoke some of this weed.
/

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:58:29pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

Faulting Trump does not equal supporting Palin.

But you give palin the benefit of the doubt with her principles

There’s no principles there, she speaks gibberish

albusteve Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:58:45pm

re: #68 Talking Point Detective

Right. You also refer to Bush as GB? McCain as JM? Sarah Palin as SP?

It’s just a coincidence that you refer to someone you disagree with politically as BO.

Gotcha.

wrong…I use initials whenever I want to be short, unlike your over windy, oft repeated snarls….since when are initials impolite?…because you don’t like it?….your imagination is over active

Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:58:53pm

re: #70 WindUpBird

Why bring that up? I haven’t said word one about Sarah Palin all day.

darthstar Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:58:53pm

I don’t trust anyone that spends their entire life using god for monetary gain - and Franklin inherited the kingdom of manipulation from his old man - just like Trump did with his wealth. Second generation hypocrites - only in America.

goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:59:11pm

re: #48 albusteve

the differences or lack of are posted here everyday…why would Trump make a worse president than BO?…it’s just a crapshoot

Right, the racist piece of shit who wants to invade Libya and “take the oil,” while putting a 25% tariff on Chinese goods couldn’t be worse. Are you drunk right now?

The billionaire also said he was nostalgic for a time when the U.S. could claim the resources of defeated nations.

“In the old days when you have a war and you win, that nation is yours,” he said. “Either I go in and take the oil or I don’t go in at all.”

“Just take their oil?” Crowley asked.

“Absolutely,” Trump replied. “I’d take the oil, give them plenty so they can live very happily. I’d take the oil.”

Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:59:24pm

re: #74 Varek Raith

re: #71 recusancy

Knock it off you two.
Go sit in the happy hippy drum circle.
And smoke some of this weed.
/

That’ll only encourage people to squabble!

albusteve Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:59:31pm

re: #71 recusancy

It means a lot that you were pulling for me.

I did, but you haven’t noticed in your stupid, blind partisanship

Varek Raith Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:59:47pm

re: #80 Gus 802

That’ll only encourage people to squabble!

//

Dave’s not here, man.

Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:59:57pm

Yeeha! It’s Pizza’clock.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:00:51pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

Faulting Trump does not equal supporting Palin.

and it ain’t like I like Trump!

But the one thing Trump isn’t, is a “real” Repubican tribalist deep down. he’s not a Haley Barbour. he’s not a Palin.

I will take anyone over a Republican Tribalist Candidate who believes what they shovel. They’re dangerous, actual real dangerous, like riots and starvation dangerous. it’s like putting children in the cockpit of a 747 and hoping you land at O’Hare by the grace of God

RurouniKenshin Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:01:11pm

Since when has Donald Trump been at all religious?

Are we going to now find out what a fine, upstanding Christian he is now that he’s running for President?

Religious zealots are utterly shameless.

albusteve Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:01:15pm

re: #75 WindUpBird

But you give palin the benefit of the doubt with her principles

There’s no principles there, she speaks gibberish

she’s a complete moron…a disgrace to American politics, but just one of an endless supply

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:02:03pm

re: #77 Dark_Falcon

Why bring that up? I haven’t said word one about Sarah Palin all day.

ack, sorry about that DF, I’m mixing Palin and Malkin up :(

Someone mentioned palin,y ou used a pronoun, whee transposing and I have had NO CAFFIENE

Varek Raith Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:03:02pm

re: #87 WindUpBird

ack, sorry about that DF, I’m mixing Palin and Malkin up :(

Someone mentioned palin,y ou used a pronoun, whee transposing and I have had NO CAFFIENE

Dude!
I already said.
Dave’s not…
Oh, a cheeseburger!
Nomnomnom.

albusteve Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:03:10pm

re: #79 goddamnedfrank

Right, the racist piece of shit who wants to invade Libya and “take the oil,” while putting a 25% tariff on Chinese goods couldn’t be worse. Are you drunk right now?

I really don’t give a fuck what he said….my mind was made up with Trump at the same time yours probably was….I don’t defend the man, I defend anybody who wants to run…it’s their right

Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:03:18pm

re: #87 WindUpBird

ack, sorry about that DF, I’m mixing Palin and Malkin up :(

Someone mentioned palin,y ou used a pronoun, whee transposing and I have had NO CAFFIENE

We all make mistakes, WUB. It’s all good.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:03:45pm

re: #86 albusteve

she’s a complete moron…a disgrace to American politics, but just one of an endless supply

my thing with candidate idiots, is if the idiots are created equal, the people puppeting the idiots aren’t, and their interests aren’t

And the people puppeting Palin scare me more than anyone

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:03:55pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

We all make mistakes, WUB. It’s all good.

I need a VISO -_-

darthstar Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:05:27pm

I bought a hedge trimmer and a weed eater today…I loves me some power tools. Tomorrow is make the yard look pretty from the outside day. Fuck yeah.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:06:49pm

re: #79 goddamnedfrank

we seem to be on the same page :D

What is your take on my take? Which is Trump sucks and is saying psycho stuff, but Palin sucks worse because, the same, plus the horror of who’s gonna be running the show in the background

I think I’m in the minority with this, but I just get physically repulsed by Palin, I think there’s no “schtick” with her, she is like a vessel for the worst elements of America

Trump…eh it seems like the schitck goes down only so far, he’s vaudevilling it up, and then he’s just another rich guy running for office

albusteve Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:07:35pm

re: #91 WindUpBird

my thing with candidate idiots, is if the idiots are created equal, the people puppeting the idiots aren’t, and their interests aren’t

And the people puppeting Palin scare me more than anyone

agreed….for every congressman, there are like seven lobbyists in DC….a real pit of shit

albusteve Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:10:31pm

re: #94 WindUpBird

we seem to be on the same page :D

What is your take on my take? Which is Trump sucks and is saying psycho stuff, but Palin sucks worse because, the same, plus the horror of who’s gonna be running the show in the background

I think I’m in the minority with this, but I just get physically repulsed by Palin, I think there’s no “schtick” with her, she is like a vessel for the worst elements of America

Trump…eh it seems like the schitck goes down only so far, he’s vaudevilling it up, and then he’s just another rich guy running for office

he’s an attention whore….the GOP version of a flasher

goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:10:33pm

re: #89 albusteve

I really don’t give a fuck what he said…my mind was made up with Trump at the same time yours probably was…I don’t defend the man, I defend anybody who wants to run…it’s their right

Bullshit. You’re playing at false equivalences where they do not exist. Trump is trash. Implying that he can’t be worse than Obama makes you an idiot, not “giving a fuck” what Trump has said makes you willfully ignorant.

Buck Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:12:23pm

Take the oil is a pretty stupid ignorant thing to say, but with that said.,, setting the output, and paying for the oil at the current rate. I see not reason why OPEC should get their greedy hands back on the spigot and be able to set the output.

However I do understand that Iraq is an independent nation. I just would like the leader of the free world to be clear that OPEC is a cartel that is not really looking out for Iraqs best interest.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:12:24pm

Palin becomes president: opens gate to hell

Trump becomes President: just another opportunistic rich asshole

if anything, Trump’s ego helps him, because Trump won’t let himself be told what to do by a guy who he feels is his intellectual inferior. Look at him! he’s having the time of his life, going on every show, getting the whole world talking about him. The whole planet is his Disneyland. And I can’t BELIEVE Trump, whose ego extends to puilding Versaille-like glittering towers that are affronts to eyeballs all across the land, with his goddamn name at the top.

Does anyone really believe DONALD TRUMP, the star of stars! Would stand for some power grabbing hick, some rube southern good ol boy trying to run HIS gig? Some gang of southern white senators with slow tongues and stopped minds? Of course not. He’d tell them to fuck off. Trump’s ego would not allow it.

And that may be the only good thing I have to say about Trump’s candidacy, but it’s the thing that separates him from a Palin (or a Bachmann)

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:13:12pm

never trust the dealer who uses their supply, that’s Palin

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albusteve Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:13:20pm

re: #97 goddamnedfrank

Bullshit. You’re playing at false equivalences where they do not exist. Trump is trash. Implying that he can’t be worse than Obama makes you an idiot, not “giving a fuck” what Trump has said makes you willfully ignorant.

think what you will….makes me no difference
I find your incessant hostility a hoot….bang away if you feel good about it

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darthstar Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:14:10pm

re: #100 WindUpBird

never trust the dealer who uses their supply, that’s Palin

I’ll bet she’s got a tramp stamp.

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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:14:41pm

re: #54 WindUpBird

I think Trump’s better than Palin! WAY better than Palin.

Possibly. Palin’s a complete idiot and would most likely end up just derping her way through doing whatever her advisers tell her. Palin and Trump are still in the same league when it comes to bufoonery even though Trump is the smarter individual.
The real dangerous candidates are the true believers like Ron Paul and Michelle Bachmann.

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Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:15:57pm

FOR REAL?

TheOaklandPress The Oakland Press
by BreakingNews

#Fla. pastor #TerryJones arrested and in jail; refused to pay $1 bail Watch live bit.ly #Dearborn

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goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:16:00pm

re: #94 WindUpBird

we seem to be on the same page :D

What is your take on my take? Which is Trump sucks and is saying psycho stuff, but Palin sucks worse because, the same, plus the horror of who’s gonna be running the show in the background

I think I’m in the minority with this, but I just get physically repulsed by Palin, I think there’s no “schtick” with her, she is like a vessel for the worst elements of America

Trump…eh it seems like the schitck goes down only so far, he’s vaudevilling it up, and then he’s just another rich guy running for office

Actually, I find Huckabee to be the scariest, because he’s got the strongest combination of true believer and clever deceiver going. Palin’s negatives are too high for me to consider her all that seriously.

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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:16:14pm

re: #99 WindUpBird

Palin becomes president: opens gate to hell

Trump becomes President: just another opportunistic rich asshole

if anything, Trump’s ego helps him, because Trump won’t let himself be told what to do by a guy who he feels is his intellectual inferior. Look at him! he’s having the time of his life, going on every show, getting the whole world talking about him. The whole planet is his Disneyland. And I can’t BELIEVE Trump, whose ego extends to puilding Versaille-like glittering towers that are affronts to eyeballs all across the land, with his goddamn name at the top.

Does anyone really believe DONALD TRUMP, the star of stars! Would stand for some power grabbing hick, some rube southern good ol boy trying to run HIS gig? Some gang of southern white senators with slow tongues and stopped minds? Of course not. He’d tell them to fuck off. Trump’s ego would not allow it.

And that may be the only good thing I have to say about Trump’s candidacy, but it’s the thing that separates him from a Palin (or a Bachmann)

I see where you’re going: Someone motivated by ego is less dangerous than someone motivated by ideology. I’m not sure I agree entirely (Saddam Hussein slaughtered hundreds of thousands) but you do have point.

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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:16:29pm

re: #79 goddamnedfrank

Right, the racist piece of shit who wants to invade Libya and “take the oil,” while putting a 25% tariff on Chinese goods couldn’t be worse. Are you drunk right now?

The billionaire also said he was nostalgic for a time when the U.S. could claim the resources of defeated nations.
“In the old days when you have a war and you win, that nation is yours,” he said. “Either I go in and take the oil or I don’t go in at all.”

Sheesh! Like we pillaged Germany and Japan after World War 2? Or split up the defeated Confederacy and divided its property among loyal Unionists? He obviously has no idea that President Wilson, whatever his other faults, did his utmost to mitigate the allies’ attempt to loot Germany after World War1. Where is Trump getting this crap? Has David Barton written a new book on 19th and 20th century history?

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:16:49pm

re: #103 Killgore Trout

Possibly. Palin’s a complete idiot and would most likely end up just derping her way through doing whatever her advisers tell her. Palin and Trump are still in the same league when it comes to bufoonery even though Trump is the smarter individual.
The real dangerous candidates are the true believers like Ron Paul and Michelle Bachmann.

What’s the difference between a true believer, and an idiot who is doing whatever true believers who put her in the WH say?

That’s why I put Palin with Bachmann

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recusancy Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:17:05pm

re: #104 Stanley Sea

FOR REAL?

TheOaklandPress The Oakland Press
by BreakingNews

#Fla. pastor #TerryJones arrested and in jail; refused to pay $1 bail Watch live [Link: bit.ly…] #Dearborn

Did you see he shot out the floor in his car by accident?

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:17:29pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

I see where you’re going: Someone motivated by ego is less dangerous than someone motivated by ideology. I’m not sure I agree entirely (Saddam Hussein slaughtered hundreds of thousands) but you do have point.

Well, ideology has killed millions more :)

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darthstar Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:17:35pm

re: #103 Killgore Trout

Possibly. Palin’s a complete idiot and would most likely end up just derping her way through doing whatever her advisers tell her. Palin and Trump are still in the same league when it comes to bufoonery even though Trump is the smarter individual.
The real dangerous candidates are the true believers like Ron Paul and Michelle Bachmann.

Palin is simply taking some time to figure out where she can make the most money - either by paid campaign appearances (if there is enough demand), whoring out another book deal, sticking with weekly appearances of O’Reilly and Hannity, or pretending to run so she can collect campaign donations and grift off of the American people some more.

Bachmann would be entertaining, but frightening, to see in a real national campaign. What if she won?

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BongCrodny Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:17:49pm

Pandering to idiots is the first thing I look for in a Presidential candidate.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:18:14pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

I see where you’re going: Someone motivated by ego is less dangerous than someone motivated by ideology. I’m not sure I agree entirely (Saddam Hussein slaughtered hundreds of thousands) but you do have point.

but yeha, that’s exactly what i mean. Ego, I’m used to.

This new GOP ideology scares the shit out of me, because we have actual senators and congressmen in the GOp doing the wink and nudge to domestic terrorism. They’re practically calling for it.

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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:18:27pm

It’s very telling that the noted materialist, adulterer, sin-profiteer, and all-round party dude Donald Trump is the new hero of the religious right.

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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:18:56pm

Interesting discussion. It’s usually pretty easy to identify the worst candidate in the primaries (Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Al Sharpton, etc). This time it’s the whole Republican field, it’s hard to tell who’s the worst.

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albusteve Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:19:08pm

re: #114 Shiplord Kirel

It’s very telling that the noted materialist, adulterer, sin-profiteer, and all-round party dude Donald Trump is the new hero of the religious right.

LOL!
a friggin rock star at that

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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:19:27pm

re: #93 darthstar

I bought a hedge trimmer and a weed eater today…I loves me some power tools. Tomorrow is make the yard look pretty from the outside day. Fuck yeah.

Just know this … your power tools are not fully broken in and fit for use until they’ve reached the point where they have to be held together with DUCT TAPE. I know this. All of the Roi’s tools are held together with duct tape. He will take a brand-new, perfectly fine something, and start tearing off the safety features, and wrapping the thing in duct tape - only then is it fit for use.

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albusteve Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:19:41pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Interesting discussion. It’s usually pretty easy to identify the worst candidate in the primaries (Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Al Sharpton, etc). This time it’s the whole Republican field, it’s hard to tell who’s the worst.

my earlier point bro

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darthstar Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:19:47pm

re: #114 Shiplord Kirel

It’s very telling that the noted materialist, adulterer, sin-profiteer, and all-round party dude Donald Trump is the new hero of the religious right.

Trump hasn’t been an adulterer for 30 years. He just pays women to appear with him, not sleep with him.

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darthstar Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:20:31pm

re: #117 reine.de.tout

Just know this … your power tools are not fully broken in and fit for use until they’ve reached the point where they have to be held together with DUCT TAPE. I know this. All of the Roi’s tools are held together with duct tape. He will take a brand-new, perfectly fine something, and start tearing off the safety features, and wrapping the thing in duct tape - only then is it fit for use.

Got it…must buy duct tape. Besides, doing yard work with shiny new tools is kind of dorky.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:20:33pm

re: #114 Shiplord Kirel

It’s very telling that the noted materialist, adulterer, sin-profiteer, and all-round party dude Donald Trump is the new hero of the religious right.

they think he’s a winner, all that matters

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albusteve Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:20:59pm

re: #117 reine.de.tout

Just know this … your power tools are not fully broken in and fit for use until they’ve reached the point where they have to be held together with DUCT TAPE. I know this. All of the Roi’s tools are held together with duct tape. He will take a brand-new, perfectly fine something, and start tearing off the safety features, and wrapping the thing in duct tape - only then is it fit for use.

my kinda guy…very first thing….directions go in the trash
etc etc
men

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:21:24pm

re: #117 reine.de.tout

Just know this … your ~~power tools~~ computers are not fully broken in and fit for use until they’ve reached the point where they have to be held together with DUCT TAPE. I know this. All of the Roi’s tools are held together with duct tape. He will take a brand-new, perfectly fine something, and start tearing off the safety features, and wrapping the thing in duct tape - only then is it fit for use.

Fixed this for me! been true in my life for 15 years, hahaha

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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:21:24pm

re: #111 darthstar

What if she won?

There’s no chance for Bachmann, Ron Paul, Palin or Trump. I do worry about this country sometimes and worry that we’re headed in the wrong direction but we aren’t that dumb yet. Maybe someday but not yet.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:21:55pm

re: #124 Killgore Trout

There’s no chance for Bachmann, Ron Paul, Palin or Trump. I do worry about this country sometimes and worry that we’re headed in the wrong direction but we aren’t that dumb yet. Maybe someday but not yet.

never say never. if we see an economic collapse, Obama can absolutely lose

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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:21:59pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Interesting discussion. It’s usually pretty easy to identify the worst candidate in the primaries (Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Al Sharpton, etc). This time it’s the whole Republican field, it’s hard to tell who’s the worst.

Amen.

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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:22:13pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Interesting discussion. It’s usually pretty easy to identify the worst candidate in the primaries (Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Al Sharpton, etc). This time it’s the whole Republican field, it’s hard to tell who’s the worst.

In this current field Romney’s the only normal choice.

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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:22:15pm

re: #117 reine.de.tout

Hey, did your stained glass green football window ever turn up?

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wrenchwench Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:22:28pm

re: #103 Killgore Trout

Possibly. Palin’s a complete idiot and would most likely end up just derping her way through doing whatever her advisers tell her. Palin and Trump are still in the same league when it comes to bufoonery even though Trump is the smarter individual.
The real dangerous candidates are the true believers like Ron Paul and Michelle Bachmann.

And since you mention Ron Paul, I would like to add that Gary Johnson is every bit as bad as Ron Paul. Possibly more dangerous because he looks more like on of those nice Libertarians.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:22:32pm

re: #124 Killgore Trout

There’s no chance for Bachmann, Ron Paul, Palin or Trump. I do worry about this country sometimes and worry that we’re headed in the wrong direction but we aren’t that dumb yet. Maybe someday but not yet.

I used to think obama couldn’t lose. i know believe that the economy can be sabotaged and ruined to the point where anything is possible

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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:23:24pm

re: #127 Gus 802

In this current field Romney’s the only normal choice.

He’s looking like the cream of the crop so far. He really should be in the lower end of the middle if there were serious candidates.

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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:24:04pm

re: #129 wrenchwench

And since you mention Ron Paul, I would like to add that Gary Johnson is every bit as bad as Ron Paul. Possibly more dangerous because he looks more like on of those nice Libertarians.

Yeah, he’s pretty spooky too.

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darthstar Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:24:15pm

OMG! Two Kenyans won the Boston Marathon! It’s a secret conspiracy put on by the Obamas!
///

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:24:34pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

He’s looking like the cream of the crop so far. He really should be in the lower end of the middle if there were serious candidates.

a nice surprise would be if Romney gets the nod and it’s a Bob-Dole-Clinton election

but it’s not gonna be that *_*

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albusteve Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:25:25pm

re: #133 darthstar

OMG! Two Kenyans won the Boston Marathon! It’s a secret conspiracy put on by the Obamas!
///

heh, I remember Kip Keino the barefoot speedster

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darthstar Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:25:59pm

re: #134 WindUpBird

a nice surprise would be if Romney gets the nod and it’s a Bob-Dole-Clinton election

but it’s not gonna be that *_*

This election will be a fucking mad house. Expect to see the worst of the worst, and prepare to be disappointed when that is the high water mark.

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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:26:35pm

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Hey, did your stained glass green football window ever turn up?

Oh, my.

Yes, it was redelivered to me.
I contacted the post office problem resolution folks by e-mail, because the thing was returned to me IN ERROR, not my fault, and I didn’t want to pay the shipping again.

I was told to bring it back to the post office. Which I did. Shall I put it in a new box? No, no new box, we can’t transfer the postage, has to be the same box. OK, well, shall I put on a new address label since you can hardly read the original one? No, no new address label, we’d have to charge you postage again. That was Monday, this week.

Wednesday - the package was DELIVERED BACK TO ME AGAIN. All the markings on it from when it was not delivered to the P.O. Box in Culver City apparently confused the mail sorting people, and so they sent it BACK to me again. I managed to catch my mail carrier before she left, and explained the whole woeful story to her. She took the package, said she knew what she needed to do, and would take care of it.

So I have my fingers crossed it gets to Charles.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:27:20pm

re: #136 darthstar

This election will be a fucking mad house. Expect to see the worst of the worst, and prepare to be disappointed when that is the high water mark.

I’m gonna try to enjoy it in a “we live in interesting times, we’ll tell our grandkids about this shit” way

I try not to just be the nihilist hoping for mayhem, at least on LGF, but at some point I get weary of my own weariness

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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:27:32pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

He’s looking like the cream of the crop so far. He really should be in the lower end of the middle if there were serious candidates.

Too bad David Frum is from Canada. ;)

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Varek Raith Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:27:43pm

re: #137 reine.de.tout

Oh, my.

Yes, it was redelivered to me.
I contacted the post office problem resolution folks by e-mail, because the thing was returned to me IN ERROR, not my fault, and I didn’t want to pay the shipping again.

I was told to bring it back to the post office. Which I did. Shall I put it in a new box? No, no new box, we can’t transfer the postage, has to be the same box. OK, well, shall I put on a new address label since you can hardly read the original one? No, no new address label, we’d have to charge you postage again. That was Monday, this week.

Wednesday - the package was DELIVERED BACK TO ME AGAIN. All the markings on it from when it was not delivered to the P.O. Box in Culver City apparently confused the mail sorting people, and so they sent it BACK to me again. I managed to catch my mail carrier before she left, and explained the whole woeful story to her. She took the package, said she knew what she needed to do, and would take care of it.

So I have my fingers crossed it gets to Charles.

And so the adventure continues….
:)

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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:28:09pm

re: #127 Gus 802

In this current field Romney’s the only normal choice.

Yep, I agree.

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wrenchwench Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:28:11pm

re: #137 reine.de.tout

Epic!

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goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:28:22pm

re: #124 Killgore Trout

There’s no chance for Bachmann, Ron Paul, Palin or Trump. I do worry about this country sometimes and worry that we’re headed in the wrong direction but we aren’t that dumb yet. Maybe someday but not yet.

I can see Bachman, Palin, or Paul running on the GOP ticket as VP, and Trump has already stated that he’s likely to run third party (probably bullshit, but he said it.) I think it’s likely that Romney will get ganked early on and Huckabee will be left standing.

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albusteve Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:28:25pm

re: #138 WindUpBird

I’m gonna try to enjoy it in a “we live in interesting times, we’ll tell our grandkids about this shit” way

I try not to just be the nihilist hoping for mayhem, at least on LGF, but at some point I get weary of my own weariness

we have already passed mayhem, but it’s subtle

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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:29:02pm

re: #142 wrenchwench

Epic!

The post office USUALLY gets things right.
But when things start to go wrong, it seems they just keep going wrong. LOL.

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recusancy Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:29:25pm

re: #138 WindUpBird

I’m gonna try to enjoy it in a “we live in interesting times, we’ll tell our grandkids about this shit” way

I try not to just be the nihilist hoping for mayhem, at least on LGF, but at some point I get weary of my own weariness

That’s what I hate. The nihilists who’ve just given up and say fuck it to everything. I understand it’s easy to fall into but it’s lazy.

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Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:31:22pm

re: #107 Shiplord Kirel

Do you remember the threads on Free Republic where they defended the looting of boxcars full of Jewish stuff by the Allies? Freepers claimed that the Jews OWED all their stuff to the G.I.’s for saving their asses from the nazis. I mean like, if the cops shot the home invaders before they could rape your wife, shouldn’t you give them your TV?

Good times.

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Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:31:57pm

re: #147 Alouette

Why does the quote button not work?

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wrenchwench Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:32:16pm

re: #143 goddamnedfrank

I think it’s likely that Romney will get ganked early on…

Oh, I don’t want to see that...

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zora Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:32:42pm

re: #143 goddamnedfrank

huffingtonpost.com

Glenn Beck: Mike Huckabee Is ‘Thin-Skinned,’ Shouldn’t Run In 2012 (VIDEO)

Glenn Beck struck back at Mike Huckabee on his Friday show, calling his fellow Fox News host “thin-skinned” and maintaining his charge that the former Arkansas governor was a “progressive.” He also said that Huckabee should sit out the 2012 race if he couldn’t take his criticism.

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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:32:45pm

re: #148 Alouette

Why does the quote button not work?

Mine works fine.

It’s a conspiracy!!!

^{(maybe you hit “reply” by mistake?)}

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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:33:23pm

re: #137 reine.de.tout

So I have my fingers crossed it gets to Charles.

Ugh. What a pain in the ass.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:33:41pm

re: #146 recusancy

That’s what I hate. The nihilists who’ve just given up and say fuck it to everything. I understand it’s easy to fall into but it’s lazy.

I don’t give up!

it’ ain’t like I’m gonna stop voting, or donating to candidates, or talking politics, or letting people have it online (and boy, the way I censor myself here, I try VERY hard to keep most of my internet persona from coming out, because otherwise it’d be bansville for me) but I remember being so pissed off at Bush (especially during teh Schiavo) that I lost a couple friends, and I was getting physical symptoms. What good does that do anyone?

But honestly, what else can I do, but sit here and get pissed off in about the bluest city in America? Portland went Obama by some absurd margin, and I’m in the most liberal working class neighborhood IN Portland. I couldn’t more blue than if I was playing croquet with the Queen of Hearts

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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:33:48pm

re: #148 Alouette

Why does the quote button not work?

Happens once in a while.

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dog philosopher Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:35:17pm

maybe there are some other bankrupt casino owners who dress like brass chandeliers who are equally qualified to lead our nation

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PhillyPretzel Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:36:24pm

re: #155 engineer dog
Steve Wynn?

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albusteve Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:36:35pm

re: #153 WindUpBird

I don’t give up!

it’ ain’t like I’m gonna stop voting, or donating to candidates, or talking politics, or letting people have it online (and boy, the way I censor myself here, I try VERY hard to keep most of my internet persona from coming out, because otherwise it’d be bansville for me) but I remember being so pissed off at Bush (especially during teh Schiavo) that I lost a couple friends, and I was getting physical symptoms. What good does that do anyone?

But honestly, what else can I do, but sit here and get pissed off in about the bluest city in America? Portland went Obama by some absurd margin, and I’m in the most liberal working class neighborhood IN Portland. I couldn’t more blue than if I was playing croquet with the Queen of Hearts

I hang with the Hookah Smoking Caterpillar

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Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:36:37pm

re: #153 WindUpBird

I don’t give up!

it’ ain’t like I’m gonna stop voting, or donating to candidates, or talking politics, or letting people have it online (and boy, the way I censor myself here, I try VERY hard to keep most of my internet persona from coming out, because otherwise it’d be bansville for me) but I remember being so pissed off at Bush (especially during teh Schiavo) that I lost a couple friends, and I was getting physical symptoms. What good does that do anyone?

But honestly, what else can I do, but sit here and get pissed off in about the bluest city in America? Portland went Obama by some absurd margin, and I’m in the most liberal working class neighborhood IN Portland. I couldn’t more blue than if I was playing croquet with the Queen of Hearts

I thought you were the Queen of Hearts :)

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goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:36:46pm

re: #149 wrenchwench

Oh, I don’t want to see that...

I meant figuratively. I just don’t see the so-cons going for a Mormon, anti-birther, health care pioneer. If by some miracle he does get the nomination look for somebody to make a splinter third party run.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:38:35pm

re: #146 recusancy

That’s what I hate. The nihilists who’ve just given up and say fuck it to everything. I understand it’s easy to fall into but it’s lazy.

If I get cancer, what should I do?

Should I throw a fit every day, even though it does nothing?

or should I just go, yup! Cancer! back to work! Drawings to make, band to put together, music to write, movin’ on

i feel like America is cancerous. And that’s very specifically chosen language. We let these people we see now, grow and fester. The GOp didn’t treat the tumor. Now it’s malignant. Now the cancer is running for office. Now the racism is open. Now the debt ceiling is a political football. Might as well be the captain on a jumbo jet going to his passengers. ‘All right, we’re gonna vote on whether we crash this plane into the side of St. helens!”

THAT. is america.

I wonder if we’re going to see some fragmentation of the country in my lifetime. Those water shortages in the south and midwest will end in riots and deaths. Guarateed. texas and Vegas will crumble, and there will be death.

So what do I do? Shiver and worry and fume? or just grab a beer from the fridge and watch what happens with a more neutral demeanor?

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:39:22pm

re: #156 PhillyPretzel

Steve Wynn?

I went to his casino! it was so rich it felt like it wasn’t real, it felt like I was walking through a movie set, almost Lynchian creepiness

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recusancy Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:40:01pm

re: #160 WindUpBird

If I get cancer, what should I do?

Should I throw a fit every day, even though it does nothing?

or should I just go, yup! Cancer! back to work! Drawings to make, band to put together, music to write, movin’ on

i feel like America is cancerous. And that’s very specifically chosen language. We let these people we see now, grow and fester. The GOp didn’t treat the tumor. Now it’s malignant. Now the cancer is running for office. Now the racism is open. Now the debt ceiling is a political football. Might as well be the captain on a jumbo jet going to his passengers. ‘All right, we’re gonna vote on whether we crash this plane into the side of St. helens!”

THAT. is america.

I wonder if we’re going to see some fragmentation of the country in my lifetime. Those water shortages in the south and midwest will end in riots and deaths. Guarateed. texas and Vegas will crumble, and there will be death.

So what do I do? Shiver and worry and fume? or just grab a beer from the fridge and watch what happens with a more neutral demeanor?

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:40:03pm

re: #157 albusteve

I hang with the Hookah Smoking Caterpillar

I like that guy too! I’d probably be with the mad hatter, under the table with a bottle of Dead Guy ale

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dog philosopher Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:40:18pm

re: #159 goddamnedfrank

I meant figuratively. I just don’t see the so-cons going for a Mormon, anti-birther, health care pioneer. If by some miracle he does get the nomination look for somebody to make a splinter third party run.

a fatal split seems more likely now than not

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:40:39pm

re: #158 Walter L. Newton

I thought you were the Queen of Hearts :)

oh heavens no, if I were the Queen of Hearts I’d be making real money

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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:40:51pm

re: #159 goddamnedfrank

I meant figuratively. I just don’t see the so-cons going for a Mormon, anti-birther, health care pioneer. If by some miracle he does get the nomination look for somebody to make a splinter third party run.

Frankly I think relying on the socons is a pretty stupid strategy. I see two things here. A closed primary limits who can vote which effectively leaves out independents. So then the socons have a significant say during the primaries. But then they scare off the independents with a candidate chosen with the help of the socons. Why is that a problems for the GOP? Because the independent voter base is much larger than the socon base. What the GOP needs to do is find a way to attract independents and Democrats. But the way things are going I don’t see that happening.

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albusteve Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:40:53pm

re: #163 WindUpBird

I like that guy too! I’d probably be with the mad hatter, under the table with a bottle of Dead Guy ale

same crowd

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Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:41:05pm

re: #109 recusancy

Did you see he shot out the floor in his car by accident?

Yep, he’s a class one idiot.

It’s for real

Judge jails Pastor Terry Jones for refusing to pay $1 bond

A Dearborn jury sided with prosecutors, ruling that Terry Jones and Wayne Sapp would breach the peace if they rallied at the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn. After the two refused to post $1 bond, Judge Mark Somers sent them off to jail.

freep.com

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recusancy Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:41:17pm

re: #162 recusancy

Yeah, but if you get cancer you don’t say fuck it and wait for death. You fight it.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:41:27pm

re: #158 Walter L. Newton

honestly, if I’m anyone in AAiW, it’s the march hare

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wrenchwench Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:41:50pm

re: #159 goddamnedfrank

I meant figuratively. I just don’t see the so-cons going for a Mormon, anti-birther, health care pioneer. If by some miracle he does get the nomination look for somebody to make a splinter third party run.

_{I was picking on your typo. “Ganked” sounds baaaad…}

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Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:42:26pm

re: #170 WindUpBird

honestly, if I’m anyone in AAiW, it’s the march hare

Meet the Cheshire Cat.

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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:42:44pm

re: #166 Gus 802

And Reagan didn’t win because of the socons. Socons will vote for the GOP presidential candidate regardless. Reagan won because of the “Reagan Democrats”.

_{IMO. YMMV. Void where prohibited by law.}

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PhillyPretzel Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:43:19pm

re: #168 Stanley Sea
Put him in jail next to a few devout Muslims.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:43:55pm

re: #169 recusancy

Yeah, but if you get cancer you don’t say fuck it and wait for death. You fight it.

right!

But there’s not a whole lot TO fight in this town. We’re of one mind. is what I’m saying. So i vote, I donate, maybe I’ll do some phonebanking from home this time, now that I can

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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:44:33pm

Oh brother. Lindsey Lohan just got 120 days in the slammer.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:45:56pm

re: #176 Gus 802

Oh brother. Lindsey Lohan just got 120 days in the slammer.

real slammer or “you’re in rehab like NOW” slammer?

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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:46:40pm

re: #177 WindUpBird

real slammer or “you’re in rehab like NOW” slammer?

Says jail.

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albusteve Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:46:57pm

re: #176 Gus 802

Oh brother. Lindsey Lohan just got 120 days in the slammer.

Jesus is there for her when the time is right….bet me
4 mo is serious time

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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:47:18pm

re: #178 Gus 802

Says jail.

A judge ruled Friday that Lindsay Lohan violated her probation by taking a necklace at a Venice jewelry store and sentenced her to 120 days in jail.

Lohan also was sentenced to 480 hours of community service at a downtown women’s center and the Los Angeles County morgue.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:47:52pm

re: #178 Gus 802

OH the theft thing!

I thought this was more drug stuff

she’s the one with the father who’s a media hog, right?

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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:48:27pm

re: #181 WindUpBird

OH the theft thing!

I thought this was more drug stuff

she’s the one with the father who’s a media hog, right?

I think so. Strange parents.

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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:49:03pm

re: #176 Gus 802

Oh brother. Lindsey Lohan just got 120 days in the slammer.

She’ll be out in 30. Overcrowding, you know.

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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:50:20pm

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

She’ll be out in 30. Overcrowding, you know.

Maybe. I don’t know if she’s rich enough to qualify for that anymore.

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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:52:27pm

re: #181 WindUpBird

OH the theft thing!

I thought this was more drug stuff

she’s the one with the father who’s a media hog, right?

The sentence is for a probation violation. Lohan has not been tried for the theft. However, the judge reduced the theft charge from a felony to a misdemeanor. Since Lohan finally got a movie deal recently, she’ll likely reach a settlement with the store now and do no time for the theft.

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PhillyPretzel Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:53:24pm

re: #185 Dark_Falcon
That is what probably happen.

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wrenchwench Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:55:49pm

For Earth Day I’m recycling my first computer tomorrow.

*sniff*

And a couple of printers, a TV, a VCR, the neighbor’s TV, and some other miscellaneous electronic stuff.

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PhillyPretzel Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:57:20pm

re: #187 wrenchwench
::: passing wrenchwench some tissues ::: It is something that has to be done.

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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:58:26pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

For Earth Day I’m recycling my first computer tomorrow.

*sniff*

And a couple of printers, a TV, a VCR, the neighbor’s TV, and some other miscellaneous electronic stuff.

Don’t give up the VCR! It’s tomorrow’s 8-track.

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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:59:09pm

Hmmm. I think it’s already attained “8 track status”.

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wrenchwench Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:59:46pm

re: #189 Gus 802

Don’t give up the VCR! It’s tomorrow’s 8-track.

//

I had yesterday’s 8-track. I gave it up when I sold my 1964 Falcon.

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PhillyPretzel Fri, Apr 22, 2011 4:59:57pm

re: #190 Gus 802
How about my betamax?

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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:00:49pm

I know Glenn Beck is old hat but he’s preaching violent revolution and genocide again….
Beck: The Plot To Create Obama’s Octavian Empire Is Based On Willingness To Kill “25 Million Americans”

Beck’s Show Of Hands: Would You “Give Your Life” To Prevent Communists From Overthrowing The United States?
What’s interesting is his audience doesn’t want to raise their hands, they do it only after repeated prompting.

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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:02:04pm

re: #193 Killgore Trout

I know Glenn Beck is old hat but he’s preaching violent revolution and genocide again…
Beck: The Plot To Create Obama’s Octavian Empire Is Based On Willingness To Kill “25 Million Americans”

Beck’s Show Of Hands: Would You “Give Your Life” To Prevent Communists From Overthrowing The United States?
What’s interesting is his audience doesn’t want to raise their hands, they do it only after repeated prompting.

Sideshow Beck!

“I’m not raising my hand.”

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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:03:29pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

For Earth Day I’m recycling my first computer tomorrow.

*sniff*

And a couple of printers, a TV, a VCR, the neighbor’s TV, and some other miscellaneous electronic stuff.

The neighbor’s TV?

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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:04:14pm

re: #194 Gus 802

Sideshow Beck!

“I’m not raising my hand.”

//

This is bold even for him. If you watch both clips he’s saying that the communists will secretly take over and his audience should take up arms against the government even if they don’t appear to be communists. That’s really fucked up even for him.

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wrenchwench Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:04:43pm

re: #195 reine.de.tout

The neighbor’s TV?

She wants us to do it! In fact, all this stuff is loaded in her pickup for the trip to the recycler.

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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:05:33pm

re: #197 wrenchwench

She wants us to do it! In fact, all this stuff is loaded in her pickup for the trip to the recycler.

Ah.
you had me wondering there, for a minute …

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Gus Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:06:43pm

re: #196 Killgore Trout

This is bold even for him. If you watch both clips he’s saying that the communists will secretly take over and his audience should take up arms against the government even if they don’t appear to be communists. That’s really fucked up even for him.

Those people have mental problems.

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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:10:35pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

For Earth Day I’m recycling my first computer tomorrow.

*sniff*

And a couple of printers, a TV, a VCR, the neighbor’s TV, and some other miscellaneous electronic stuff.

Recycling electronic equipment is better than throwing it away, but much of the “recycling” industry for electronics is a little dubious. I prefer the second R, reuse.

I regularly fix up older computers, my own or donated, and then donate them to poor families. It isn’t perfect, the computers are slow. But coupled with some free dialup it is way better than nothing at all.

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wrenchwench Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:15:32pm

re: #200 prononymous

Recycling electronic equipment is better than throwing it away, but much of the “recycling” industry for electronics is a little dubious. I prefer the second R, reuse.

I regularly fix up older computers, my own or donated, and then donate them to poor families. It isn’t perfect, the computers are slow. But coupled with some free dialup it is way better than nothing at all.

This is one of those special electronics collection efforts. Presumably they will dispose of/recycle the stuff responsibly. The printers were already reconditioned and reused. The computer I used for eleven years. That’s enough, isn’t it?

Good for you with the fixing and donating.

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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:21:30pm

re: #201 wrenchwench

Recycling is good, as long as it is done responsibly.

I get a lot of old computers, so taking the best parts and making a reasonably good machine isn’t too difficult. An 11 year old computer is still perfectly functional, but so slow that I’d upgrade it a bit anyway.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:28:25pm

re: #202 prononymous

Recycling is good, as long as it is done responsibly.

I get a lot of old computers, so taking the best parts and making a reasonably good machine isn’t too difficult. An 11 year old computer is still perfectly functional, but so slow that I’d upgrade it a bit anyway.

old machines are awesome for dedicated tasks, I’m gonna install linux on my old tablet Pc and make it into a weirdo music toy if I can

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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:33:53pm

re: #203 WindUpBird

Yep, old computers are great for various specific tasks. Countless business still have old DOS machines running some critical task after decades because everyone is too scared to touch it, the software doesn’t work with newer hardware, etc.

Old machines are great for nostalgia too. :)

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:42:55pm

re: #4 researchok

If I were a Dem I’d be delighted Trump might be the GOP candidate.

That would pretty much guarantee Obama’s re election without much effort.

I wish I could be delighted. I’m mostly dazed.

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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Apr 22, 2011 5:51:38pm

re: #204 prononymous

Yep, old computers are great for various specific tasks. Countless business still have old DOS machines running some critical task after decades because everyone is too scared to touch it, the software doesn’t work with newer hardware, etc.

Old machines are great for nostalgia too. :)

I have an old Powerbook 3400 that I’m putting back in service rather than buying a netbook or such for checking email on the go. It’s heavy, tops out at 144mb of ram and the PPC603e@180mhz is hardly a speed demon. But it will run iCab, Marathon, Wizardry & Macintosh Common Lisp just find under OS 8.6 ;) and a WIFI PCCard for much less money.

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