Santorum Denounces Planned Parenthood Bombing, While Continuing Incitement

Anti-abortion terrorists are simply taking Santorum’s rhetoric to its logical conclusion

OpinionApril 2012 • Views: 22,947

Today Rick Santorum issued the following pro forma statement denouncing last night’s Planned Parenthood clinic bombing.

“Violence is never the answer, and I will always condemn any and all violent attacks against our fellow Americans. In this country, we resolve our differences through political discussion and free and fair elections – never by violence. This upcoming election is about restoring freedom and liberty in America, and a key part of that is to restore a culture that values human life and the dignity of all Americans. While we can and should work to defund Planned Parenthood and push back against government mandates that force Americans and religious institution to violate their faith, violence against our fellow citizens has no place in a freedom-loving America.”

But at the same time, Santorum has been one of the most rabid and irresponsible of all the GOP politicians on this subject, equating abortion with murder, genocide, and the Holocaust. Nobody should be surprised when the more extreme followers of this crazy rhetoric commit violent acts; if they accept Rick Santorum’s (and every other GOP politician’s) statements at face value, violence is justified to prevent atrocities of this magnitude.

The people who bomb Planned Parenthood clinics and kill abortion doctors in church are simply following their own twisted moral doctrine, and the irresponsible rhetoric of the religious right gives them logical reasons to act this way.

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107 comments

shutdown Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:08:03am

I think it is absolutely astounding that people like Santorum can, with a straight face, say that they wish to "restore liberty and freedom" at the same time they are trying to subjugate women and codify Christian supremacy. My head would explode if I tried to say shit like that.

Simply Sarah Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:10:28am

re: #1 Phlebas

I think it is absolutely astounding that people like Santorum can, with a straight face, say that they wish to "restore liberty and freedom" at the same time they are trying to subjugate women and codify Christian supremacy. My head would explode if I tried to say shit like that.

It turns out that his ideas of liberty, freedom, and dignity for women are just a tiny bit unusual.

Obdicut Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:11:56am

re: #1 Phlebas

I think it's even weirder that he's making the assertion that our society doesn't value human life. That's an immensely strong indictment of America. It's something I would expect a gibbering moonbat talking about how we invaded Afghanistan for the oil to say.

shutdown Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:12:51am

re: #2 Simply Sarah

It turns out that his ideas of liberty, freedom, and dignity for women are just a tiny bit unusual.

You say that with irony, but you are absolutely on point. His (and likeminded folks') view is that women are liberated by being subservient to men, and that non-Christians are liberated by accepting Jesus Christ. The fact that he is being 100% logical and internally consistent is what makes it scary. If he were a raving lunatic, I would not be as worried.

ProdSlash Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:16:09am

Can I just call Santorum a complete douchebag?

Obdicut Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:16:19am

The thing is:

If people really, really believe that abortion is murdering sentient human beings, or, if they really, really feel that abortions result in souls being damned to eternal torment, then I'd expect them to be fighting a war over it. If I actually thought that there was institutionalized mass-murder being carried out in this country, I'd take up arms against it.

This is one of the weird disconnect between the fiery rhetoric and the actual reality of how people live their lives.

shutdown Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:17:15am

re: #5 ProdSlash

Can I just call Santorum a complete douchebag?

You are not going to make a lot of friends here praising him in that way.
/

William of Orange Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:18:47am

Comedy gold at Crooks and Liars!!

As I said there:

SOMEONE, QUICK!!! CALL JON STEWART!!!

hAHAHA!!

nines09 Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:21:20am

I can see Rick at a trial against witchcraft. I can see Rick screaming for the blasphemer to be drawn and quartered. I can see Rick with a brown shirt on. But I cannot see Rick disturbed by this bombing. Nope. Not in the least. He's privately glad. Bet on it. 100%.

wrenchwench Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:22:40am

re: #6 Obdicut

The thing is:

If people really, really believe that abortion is murdering sentient human beings, or, if they really, really feel that abortions result in souls being damned to eternal torment, then I'd expect them to be fighting a war over it. If I actually thought that there was institutionalized mass-murder being carried out in this country, I'd take up arms against it.

This is one of the weird disconnect between the fiery rhetoric and the actual reality of how people live their lives.

And if they really thought looking at an embryo would change a woman's mind about aborting it, they'd use a photo from a medical text, not some grainy, near-invisible ultrasound of the one she's carrying. It's not about the image, it's obviously about what they have to do to get the image.

Lidane Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:23:22am

re: #6 Obdicut

This is one of the weird disconnect between the fiery rhetoric and the actual reality of how people live their lives.

That's the thing -- the same anti-abortion groups that engage in fiery rhetoric about abortion being a Holocaust and about places like PP being mass murdering institutions ALSO want to try and pretend that their talk is benign, and that it's only for effect.

Problem is, a lot of people really DO think that way and they're the ones actually following through with what all those words mean by shooting abortion doctors and bombing clinics.

These anti-abortion groups want to have it both ways. They want to call doctors murderers but not have to take responsibility when some lunatic takes them at face value and decides to do something about that doctor.

makeitstop Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:25:25am

re: #6 Obdicut

The thing is:

If people really, really believe that abortion is murdering sentient human beings, or, if they really, really feel that abortions result in souls being damned to eternal torment, then I'd expect them to be fighting a war over it. If I actually thought that there was institutionalized mass-murder being carried out in this country, I'd take up arms against it.

This is one of the weird disconnect between the fiery rhetoric and the actual reality of how people live their lives.

It's all lip service.

If Republicans were really so committed to ending abortion, why didn't they overturn Roe v. Wade when they controlled both houses of Congress in the 90s, or when Bush II was president? Because using anti-abortion rhetoric raises more money than actually taking steps to end abortions.

And as for the GOP constituents - I'm a firm believer that they'd rather not get what they want so they'd be able to complain about it.

shutdown Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:27:42am

re: #12 makeitstop

Analogous to the brouhaha surrounding healthcare legislation. A number of Republicans would rather it not be overturned by SCOTUS because it would then go away as a campaign issue.

jamesfirecat Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:28:37am

Reposted from last thread...

"While we can and should work to defund Planned Parenthood and push back against government mandates that force Americans and religious institution to violate their faith, violence against our fellow citizens has no place in a freedom-loving America."

That's one weird last sentence... shouldn't it be "faith, BUT violence against our..."

By not including a "BUT" or some other kind of whatever they're called, it sort of makes it sound like right now Planned Parenthood is also taking part in "violence against our fellow citizens" which is why they need to be defunded?

Which is exactly what they would be doing if you believe abortion is murder...

And suddenly it makes much more sense...

ReamWorks SKG Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:31:19am

If they really believed it was genocide, they can pack up and move to a country where it's completely outlawed.

According to Wikipedia, they have the choice of Uruguay, Chile, Tuvalu, Nicaragua, El Slavador, Dominican Republic, Belize, Cyprus, Vatican City, Ireland (but there's a footnote to that), Maldives, or Laos.

I'd go to Cyprus, if I had to pick one.

makeitstop Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:32:43am

re: #14 jamesfirecat

Reposted from last thread...

"While we can and should work to defund Planned Parenthood and push back against government mandates that force Americans and religious institution to violate their faith, violence against our fellow citizens has no place in a freedom-loving America."

That's one weird last sentence... shouldn't it be "faith, BUT violence against our..."

By not including a "BUT" or some other kind of whatever they're called, it sort of makes it sound like right now Planned Parenthood is also taking part in "violence against our fellow citizens" which is why they need to be defunded?

Which is exactly what they would be doing if you believe abortion is murder...

And suddenly it makes much more sense...

While I see the point you're trying to make, a qualifier at the point in the statement where you think it should go would make no sense from a grammatical standpoint. The word 'while' at the beginning of the statement is the qualifier.

Randall Gross Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:34:21am

Terrorists don't exist in a vacuum, even "lone wolves" have sympathizers or imaginary sympathizers that they play their sociopathic acts off against in their heads. Usually their manifestos, like Breivik's, are written for a highly select audience. People who pander to the mentally imbalanced through overblown rhetoric are really part of the problem, no matter what pains they take to distance themselves from the actual actors.

blueraven Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:35:46am

re: #12 makeitstop

It's all lip service.

If Republicans were really so committed to ending abortion, why didn't they overturn Roe v. Wade when they controlled both houses of Congress in the 90s, or when Bush II was president? Because using anti-abortion rhetoric raises more money than actually taking steps to end abortions.

And as for the GOP constituents - I'm a firm believer that they'd rather not get what they want so they'd be able to complain about it.

I dont think they can overturn Roe v Wade. But they can enact some other stupid laws that challenge it.

Obdicut Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:36:39am

re: #18 blueraven

I dont think they can overturn Roe v Wade. But they can enact some other stupid laws that challenge it.

and in fact, they have.

blueraven Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:37:32am

re: #19 Obdicut

and in fact, they have.

Indeed...especially on the state level.

jaunte Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:37:53am

These people have become adept at encouraging vigilantism while simultaneously denying that they're doing it.

Tiller’s name first appeared on “The Factor” on Feb. 25, 2005. Since then, O’Reilly and his guest hosts have brought up the doctor on 28 more episodes, including as recently as April 27 of this year. Almost invariably, Tiller is described as “Tiller the Baby Killer.”

"OK. So, I'm the fascist, I'm the bad guy, I'm the problem. Not Tiller. No, he -- no, no, no. He's a good guy. Now, Tiller's pumping all kinds of money into obviously the attorney general race. He wants the guy that's gonna let him off the hook to win. Those of you listening in Kansas, you ought to know that. You know, I don't -- I'm not gonna tell you who to vote for. You guys know these guys better than I do, but I tell you what, anything Tiller wants, I'm voting the other way. And if I could get my hands on Tiller -- well, you know. Can't be vigilantes. Can't do that. It's just a figure of speech.
But despicable? Oh, my God. Oh, it doesn't get worse. Does it get worse? No."
[Link: www.salon.com...]

darthstar Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:38:18am

Given how willing Mitt Romney is to swing to the right of Rick Santorum on just about every issue, is it going to far to ask if maybe Mitt planted the bomb himself in an effort to woo the Operation Rescue vote?
/half

jamesfirecat Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:38:48am

re: #16 makeitstop

While I see the point you're trying to make, a qualifier at the point in the statement where you think it should go would make no sense from a grammatical standpoint. The word 'while' at the beginning of the statement is the qualifier.

You raise a good argument, though I personally would still use another qualifier near the end just to remind people that I'm denouncing but at that point I'm sort of getting to "how many times did he say 'I'" levels of speech analysis.

William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:39:41am

re: #1 Phlebas

I think it is absolutely astounding that people like Santorum can, with a straight face, say that they wish to "restore liberty and freedom" at the same time they are trying to subjugate women and codify Christian supremacy. My head would explode if I tried to say shit like that.

That's the far right anti-life side of the Catholic church in action. I've been calling them Falangist of late to remind us of the same anti-democratic, nationalist, "family values" & Pro-catholic church movement that bred the Civil War in Spain.
God, Nation & Family. Another old lie to go with "Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori."

Gus Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:40:41am

#BREAKING: Breaking news: At leats one dead, several wounded (up to five) at Oikos University in Oakland.
— KTVU (@KTVU) April 2, 2012

Randall Gross Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:41:59am

re: #25 Gus

Several people were shot at an East Oakland college this morning and police warned that the gunman is still on the loose.

The shooting happened at Oikos University, a Christian school, at 7850 Edgewater Road about 10:40 a.m. Police received calls about people running out of the building and screaming.

Police, including members of the SWAT team, are taking up positions around the building. Paramedics were carrying people out in stretchers.

Police officers could be seen smashing in glass doors with sledgehammers and rushing into the building.

Lidane Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:42:33am

Oh, this should be fun:

Permitted handguns will be allowed in RNC's 'clean zone'

Hoping to head off violent protesters during the Republican National Convention, Mayor Bob Buckhorn has proposed a litany of items that will be considered security threats during the week-long event.

The list runs from air pistols to water pistols and also includes items such as masks, plastic or metal pipe and string more than six inches long.

Conspicuously absent from the list of potential weapons: Firearms.

That's because state law bans local governments from placing any restrictions on the carrying of guns in public spaces.

"If we'd tried to regulate guns, it wouldn't have worked," said City Attorney Jim Shimberg.

Mauricio Rodriguez, the assistant city attorney who wrote the ordinance, said early drafts included limits on handguns – until someone mentioned Chapter 790 of Florida Statutes.

"Any local ordinance that regulates guns is void," Shimberg said last week.

Guns will be banned from the security zone the Secret Service will set up around the convention site, Shimberg said.

But outside that perimeter, in the area Buckhorn as labeled "the clean zone," state gun laws will prevail.

Gus Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:42:49am

re: #26 Randall Gross

Several people were shot at an East Oakland college this morning and police warned that the gunman is still on the loose.

The shooting happened at Oikos University, a Christian school, at 7850 Edgewater Road about 10:40 a.m. Police received calls about people running out of the building and screaming.

Police, including members of the SWAT team, are taking up positions around the building. Paramedics were carrying people out in stretchers.

Police officers could be seen smashing in glass doors with sledgehammers and rushing into the building.

Read more: [Link: www.sfgate.com...]

Live video: Coverage of the Oikos University, Oakland shooting from @abc7newsBayArea bit.ly/Hg0uoG
— Breaking News (@BreakingNews) April 2, 2012

Randall Gross Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:43:32am

re: #28 Gus

Oikos, Greek Orthodox or what?

Gus Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:44:18am

re: #29 Randall Gross

Oikos, Greek Orthodox or what?

[Link: www.oikosuniversity.org...]

shutdown Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:44:29am

re: #27 Lidane

Oh, this should be fun:

Permitted handguns will be allowed in RNC's 'clean zone'

Because nothing says "safety" like a bunch of armed, untrained civilians.

darthstar Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:45:45am

re: #29 Randall Gross

Oikos, Greek Orthodox or what?

At Oikos University, students are given the opportunity to obtain a Christian education that is based on solid Christian doctrine and ideology. Our main goal is to foster spiritual Christian leaders who abide by God’s intentions and to expand God’s nation through them.

American wingnut.

Lidane Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:46:00am

re: #31 Phlebas

Because nothing says "safety" like a bunch of armed, untrained civilians.

Especially in a state with Stand Your Ground laws.

How soon before the first protester gets shot and killed because someone considered them a threat?

Kragar Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:46:50am

re: #33 Lidane

Especially in a state with Stand Your Ground laws.

How soon before the first protester gets shot and killed because someone considered them a threat?

Keep Dan Riehl out of the area.

celticdragon Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:46:56am

re: #4 Phlebas

You say that with irony, but you are absolutely on point. His (and likeminded folks') view is that women are liberated by being subservient to men, and that non-Christians are liberated by accepting Jesus Christ. The fact that he is being 100% logical and internally consistent is what makes it scary. If he were a raving lunatic, I would not be as worried.

Exactly. His definition of freedom is "free to do the will of God".

You’ll see one of the principal definitions of happiness is ‘to do the morally right thing.’ God gave us rights to life and to freedom to pursue His will. That’s what the moral foundation of our country is.

Lidane Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:47:10am

re: #29 Randall Gross

Oikos, Greek Orthodox or what?

Korean evangelical, if their faculty and administrators are anything to go by. Plus they have a whole School of Asian Medicine.

Gus Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:47:18am

re: #29 Randall Gross

Oikos, Greek Orthodox or what?

Korean.

Gus Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:48:18am

Suspect is said to be an Asian male with a heavy build wearing tan or khaki clothing. Source: [Link: abclocal.go.com...]

blueraven Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:48:30am

re: #21 jaunte

These people have become adept at encouraging vigilantism while simultaneously denying that they're doing it.

It's just words and Bill O'Reilly has freedom of speech!!
//

Sheila Broflovski Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:49:12am

re: #32 darthstar

American wingnut.

So what? They still shouldn't be assassinated by some grazed gunman.

Randall Gross Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:49:54am

re: #30 Gus

[Link: www.oikosuniversity.org...]

Doesn't say, but it looks like the theology college staff are quite a mix of xtian denominations, so it could be generic.

shutdown Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:50:58am

re: #40 Learned Mother of Zion

So what? They still shouldn't be assassinated by some grazed gunman.

"Crazed"? Or perhaps set upon by hungry herbivores.

celticdragon Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:51:16am

re: #8 William of Orange

Comedy gold at Crooks and Liars!!

As I said there:

SOMEONE, QUICK!!! CALL JON STEWART!!!

hAHAHA!!

First comment sealed it...

It's especially funny considering Romney looks like a guy who can make love without wrinkling the sheets.

The guy on stage has a stiff throbbing Romney! Better unzip him and let him out...

RadicalModerate Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:51:20am

re: #36 Lidane

Korean evangelical, if their faculty and administrators are anything to go by. Plus they have a whole School of Asian Medicine.

Although that Asian Medicine school that they have isn't like any other that I've encountered:

Program Goals

The educational objectives of the Master of Science in Asian Medicine program are to prepare students for Asian medicine professional who has strong background in Asian Medicine, Western science, acupuncture theories and skills, technical skills, and business management with Christian perspective.

shutdown Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:52:18am

re: #44 RadicalModerate

Although that Asian Medicine school that they have isn't like any other that I've encountered:

I am surprised that Asian Medecine and Christianity are seen as compatible.

NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:52:18am

re: #40 Learned Mother of Zion

So what? They still shouldn't be assassinated by some grazed gunman.

Live coverage here.

William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:52:39am

re: #33 Lidane

Especially in a state with Stand Your Ground laws.

How soon before the first protester gets shot and killed because someone considered them a threat?

Better - a protester shoots a delegate for being threatening to them? Should be legal under SYG & the police won't be able to investigate, eh?

shutdown Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:53:48am

re: #43 celticdragon

First comment sealed it...

The guy on stage has a stiff throbbing Romney! Better unzip him and let him out...

This throbbing Romney could cause much Santorum

*now off to be sick

William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:56:35am

BIAB.

Gus Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:00:49pm

Snipers are on the scene.

NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:02:34pm

re: #50 Gus

Snipers are on the scene.

One dead, four injured.
:(

lawhawk Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:03:54pm

re: #51 NJDhockeyfan

Much worse than that. At least four killed in shooting at Oikos University.

The shooting happened at Oikos University at 7850 Edgewater Road about 10:40 a.m. Four bodies outside the school were covered by tarps, and rescue workers removed at least four bodies on stretchers.

Highland Hospital reported that it was treating four victims from the shooting. Students continued evacuating the building more than an hour after the shooting.

Police, including members of the SWAT team, took positions around the building and officers smashed in glass doors with sledgehammers and rushed into the building. It was unknown if the shooter was inside the building or had fled the scene.

But police warned the public to stay away from the area and described the gunman as an Asian man in his 40s, with a heavy build and wearing khaki clothing.

Big Joe Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:04:52pm

Not to be outdone by Oakland, Moscow decides to have a skyscraper fire.

Live Video

NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:04:55pm

re: #52 lawhawk

4 killed? Shit.

celticdragon Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:05:40pm

re: #47 William Barnett-Lewis

Better - a protester shoots a delegate for being threatening to them? Should be legal under SYG & the police won't be able to investigate, eh?

Let's just see if an Occupy protester gets shot or some such. You could easily have seen such a thing at that nasty incident in Kentucky when the woman protesting against Rand Paul was tackled and a guy actually stomped on her head. Either side, if armed (I think some guys in the crowd were) could have started a firefight. It is something like that that will end up persuading left wing protesters to start arming themselves at events.

Considering I live in Greensboro, this is the city where the Klan and neo Nazis ambushed a Communist party and industrial worker rally and killed five people in broad daylight on the street.

Nobody was convicted of anything. My landlord knew and worked with the man who was the jury foreman at the murder trial. He deliberately manipulated deliberations to "convict" the murdered victims since they were communists. His family had lost land in Cuba during the Revolution and he told my landlord that this is how he got even with them...by letting their killers walk away free.

NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:07:33pm

re: #52 lawhawk

Much worse than that. At least four killed in shooting at Oikos University.

He is a student.

Angie Johnson, 52, of San Leandro, said she was doing errands in the industrial complex when she saw a young woman leaving the building with blood coming from her arm and crying, "I've been shot, I've been shot."

Johnson said while she waited for medical attention the woman told her the shooter was a man in her nursing class who rose up and shot one person at point blank range in the chest before he started spraying the room with bullets.

"She said he looked crazy all the time," Johnson said the victim told her, "But they never knew how far he would go."

Johnson said the victim "had a hole in her right arm the size of a silver dollar with blood coming down."

lawhawk Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:09:24pm

re: #55 celticdragon

How about that incident where a bunch of Gingrich goons attacked a Ron Paul supporter because he was getting in the way of Gingrich's optics. They assaulted the guy - and if there was SYG, that Paul protester could have opened fire with dire consequences.

NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:12:28pm

Oakland, California police are evacuating people from Oikos University in armored vehicles after shooting on campus - @kgoradio

RadicalModerate Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:15:06pm

Saw this coming from a mile off.

Grade school teacher’s aide fired for refusing to hand over Facebook password

Teachers have gotten in trouble for Facebook status messages before, but in Hester's case, it's her refusal to hand over her password that actually got her fired. One of the supervisors from the Lewis Cass Intermediate School District (ISD), the regional service center for education in Michigan, even wrote her a letter when she refused to give them her password for the third time. Part of the letter read: "... in the absence of you voluntarily granting Lewis Cass ISD administration access to you[r] Facebook page, we will assume the worst and act accordingly." Lewis Cass wanted to put Hester on a paid administrative leave before they fired her, but she chose to go on an unpaid leave because she believes she did nothing wrong. She plans to use the letter she received to sue the school district.

An increasing number of companies and schools have started asking employees and students for their Facebook passwords. The practice has been growing at such an alarming rate, that Facebook released its official stance on the issue, telling its users that they have the right not to comply with their employers' request. Several politicians including Michigan's own State Representatives Aric Nesbitt and Matt Lori have been pushing for bills that will make the breach of privacy an illegal practice. Unfortunately, it hasn't been going very well for them — the House of Representatives recently rejected a legislation that would protect your passwords from employers' prying eyes.

Remember, according to House Republicans, this is perfectly OK to do.

House rejects legislation that would protect your Facebook password from employers

Gus Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:15:57pm

Might be 5 dead.

NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:16:29pm

re: #59 RadicalModerate

Saw this coming from a mile off.

Grade school teacher’s aide fired for refusing to hand over Facebook password

Remember, according to House Republicans, this is perfectly OK to do.

House rejects legislation that would protect your Facebook password from employers

I'm glad I don't have a Facebook page so I have no password to give anyone.

celticdragon Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:16:31pm

re: #57 lawhawk

How about that incident where a bunch of Gingrich goons attacked a Ron Paul supporter because he was getting in the way of Gingrich's optics. They assaulted the guy - and if there was SYG, that Paul protester could have opened fire with dire consequences.

Yep. Something changed, and not for the better, when people started carrying pistols and assault rifles to political events in 2008. I really do think that there will be an event that will be the logical conclusion of all that anger coupled with weapons.

The crazy logic of all this is now I feel like I might have to be armed if I go to an event where I can expect hostile demonstrators or counter demonstrators...and for that-I would rather not go at all.

Bulworth Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:16:37pm

This upcoming election is about restoring freedom and liberty in America

Well, that much is true.

Kragar Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:18:57pm

re: #61 NJDhockeyfan

I'm glad I don't have a Facebook page so I have no password to give anyone.

Your employer will have to assume you are lying about that. Clear out your desk by 3:00 today.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:19:17pm

re: #59 RadicalModerate

How is this different from asking for a password to an email account?

RadicalModerate Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:19:39pm

re: #61 NJDhockeyfan

I'm glad I don't have a Facebook page so I have no password to give anyone.

So, I'm guessing that you wouldn't mind handing out your LGF login and password to your employer if they told you they'd fire you if you didn't?

Gus Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:21:22pm

Possible Suspect in custody.No imminent public safety threat appears to exist in immediate area.nixle.us/7Y48H
— Oakland Police Dept. (@oaklandpoliceca) April 2, 2012

NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:21:38pm

re: #66 RadicalModerate

So, I'm guessing that you wouldn't mind handing out your LGF login and password to your employer if they told you they'd fire you if you didn't?

What LGF account?
/

jaunte Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:21:48pm

Facebook; bringing back the Napoleonic Code's defacto presumption of guilt.

Kragar Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:22:07pm

I think I need to see my employers bank account so I can make sure they're not cheating me. I'll require their passwords.

Gus Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:22:27pm

The situation is still fluid.

RadicalModerate Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:23:37pm

re: #65 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

How is this different from asking for a password to an email account?

I personally don't see any, but it certainly doesn't seem to have stopped these people.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:25:50pm

re: #72 RadicalModerate

I personally don't see any, but it certainly doesn't seem to have stopped these people.

How about medical records, school albums, recordings of intimate spousal chats, brainwave scans with thought transcripts (in the near future)?

celticdragon Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:29:21pm

This just in..

SCOTUS rules on strip searches:

The Supreme Court on Monday ruled by a 5-to-4 vote that officials may strip-search people arrested for any offense, however minor, before admitting them to jails even if the officials have no reason to suspect the presence of contraband.

I can see lots of multiple searches being ordered on protesters and college kids in the near future. Great way to administratively punish people through humiliation while letting them know that you can do anything you want to them at any time.

NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:30:33pm

re: #74 celticdragon

This just in..

SCOTUS rules on strip searches:

I can see lots of multiple searches being ordered on protesters and college kids in the near future. Great way to administratively punish people through humiliation while letting them know that you can do anything you want to them at any time.

The Swedish Bikini Team will be arrested by the end of the day.

Targetpractice Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:30:52pm

re: #74 celticdragon

This just in..

SCOTUS rules on strip searches:

I can see lots of multiple searches being ordered on protesters and college kids in the near future. Great way to administratively punish people through humiliation while letting them know that you can do anything you want to them at any time.

"Ma'am, I'm gonna need to strip search you."
"But I was only driving 5 miles over the limit!"
"I don't write the laws, ma'am. Now off them panties."

iossarian Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:31:25pm

re: #74 celticdragon

This just in..

SCOTUS rules on strip searches:

I can see lots of multiple searches being ordered on protesters and college kids in the near future. Great way to administratively punish people through humiliation while letting them know that you can do anything you want to them at any time.

Personal liberty! Government restraint!

The government can't force you to eat broccoli, but it can make you strip naked if it suspects you of wrongdoing!

darthstar Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:31:31pm

re: #59 RadicalModerate

Saw this coming from a mile off.

Grade school teacher’s aide fired for refusing to hand over Facebook password

Remember, according to House Republicans, this is perfectly OK to do.

House rejects legislation that would protect your Facebook password from employers

Crossing the information superhighway without revealing anything about yourself is like playing Frogger with a loose joystick. Do yourself a favor, and bitch about work to your friends in person.

EdDantes Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:33:39pm

If I don't get a job because I refuse to divulge my Facebook password, I be suing!

celticdragon Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:34:31pm

re: #76 Targetpractice

"Ma'am, I'm gonna need to strip search you."
"But I was only driving 5 miles over the limit!"
"I don't write the laws, ma'am. Now off them panties."

//

That actually happened in Brunswick, Ga. in the 90's The officer falsely arrested and raped a local woman. He was stupid enough to check himself into a motel, however, where he handcuffed her and raped her. She told others about it later and his signature was right there on the register. Off to jail.

NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:35:38pm

Al-Qaeda’s online forums go dark for extended period

Al-Qaeda’s main Web forums have been offline for the past 11 days in what experts say is the longest sustained outage of the sites since they began operating eight years ago.

No one has publicly claimed responsibility for disabling the sites, but the breadth and the duration of the outages have prompted some experts to conclude the forums have been taken down in a cyberattack — launched perhaps by a government, government-backed organization or hacking group.

I heard they refused to give up their Facebook password.

Eventual Carrion Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:36:05pm

re: #59 RadicalModerate

Saw this coming from a mile off.

Grade school teacher’s aide fired for refusing to hand over Facebook password

Remember, according to House Republicans, this is perfectly OK to do.

House rejects legislation that would protect your Facebook password from employers

Good, then I want the legislators password so I know just who is representing me.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:36:58pm

re: #77 iossarian

Personal liberty! Government restraint!

The government can't force you to eat broccoli, but it can make you strip naked if it suspects you of wrongdoing!

I don't know. This seems like just another hysteric media fit. I'm pretty sure that's not the whole story. I'm not going to join the anti-Roberts mob. Also, I agree with Judge Kennedy that "courts are in no position to second-guess the judgments of correctional officials who must consider not only the possibility of smuggled weapons and drugs but also public health and information about gang affiliations". Nobody knows what those OWS hippies carry, and where.

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darthstar Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:37:28pm

re: #82 RayFerd

Good, then I want the legislators password so I know just who is representing me.

[Link: www.facebook.com...]

goddamnedfrank Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:45:21pm

re: #59 RadicalModerate

Saw this coming from a mile off.

Grade school teacher’s aide fired for refusing to hand over Facebook password

Remember, according to House Republicans, this is perfectly OK to do.

House rejects legislation that would protect your Facebook password from employers

What I don't understand is, since Facebook profiles have information that employers are by law prohibited from requesting such as age/date of birth and religious affiliation, why isn't requesting an employee's password prima facie an illegal action even without specific legislation?

Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:45:38pm

re: #74 celticdragon

This just in..

SCOTUS rules on strip searches:

I can see lots of multiple searches being ordered on protesters and college kids in the near future. Great way to administratively punish people through humiliation while letting them know that you can do anything you want to them at any time.

American Exceptionalism, as imported from the security forces of Egypt and Bahrain.

NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:47:59pm

5 dead, shooter caught.

Oikos University shooting kills five, reports say

OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) - A suspect has been detained in a shooting attack at an Oakland Christian university that sources said has killed at least five people.

Law enforcement sources close to the investigation told The Associated Press that at least five people have died after the Monday morning shooting at Oikos University.

Meanwhile, police say a suspect has been detained in the attack. Officer Johnna Watson did not give any other details about the arrest.

Randall Gross Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:53:02pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

What I don't understand is, since Facebook profiles have information that employers are by law prohibited from requesting such as age/date of birth and religious affiliation, why isn't requesting an employee's password prima facie an illegal action even without specific legislation?

It's absolutely illegal, and the cases against employers who request passwords are going to use that. It just takes them asking a protected class their password, then BAMMO! Lawsuit and someone's in the money.

darthstar Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:56:11pm

re: #87 NJDhockeyfan

5 dead, shooter caught.

Oikos University shooting kills five, reports say

Glad they caught the fucker. People who kill other people suck.

wrenchwench Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:56:47pm

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kirkspencer Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:58:25pm

re the facebook subthread, not so long ago I saw a suggestion I liked. Have an attorney prepare a statement for your employer to sign to the effect that they acknowledge assumption of risk for criminal and civil liability in conjunction with any of your accounts that use the username and password you are being forced to divulge.

"Hey, dudes, if someone hacks into my bank account you're now the prime suspect. Are you sure you want to do this?"

Gus Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:58:28pm

Another freaking manic Monday in America.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Mon, Apr 2, 2012 1:01:13pm

re: #92 Gus

Another freaking ~~manic~~ maniac Monday in America.

FTFY

EdDantes Mon, Apr 2, 2012 1:04:22pm

Fellow conservatives (both of you), strip searching for minor violations is unconstitutional and wrong .(Sure, It's fun but that's beside the point.)
I have not read the opinion yet and I might still change my mind, but in the interests of personal liberty I do not want to be violated unless I am paying good money for it.

iossarian Mon, Apr 2, 2012 1:05:58pm

re: #94 EdDantes

Fellow conservatives (both of you), strip searching for minor violations is unconstitutional and wrong .(Sure, It's fun but that's beside the point.)
I have not read the opinion yet and I might still change my mind, but in the interests of personal liberty I do not want to be violated unless I am paying good money for it.

Too bad your conservative-nominated and conservative-confirmed judges disagree.

Funny how that works.

Sheila Broflovski Mon, Apr 2, 2012 1:06:14pm

re: #59 RadicalModerate

Saw this coming from a mile off.

Grade school teacher’s aide fired for refusing to hand over Facebook password

Uh, well:

Hester posted a picture of a co-workers' shoes and pants bunched around her ankles on Facebook in April 2011 with the caption, "Thinking of you."

Maybe it had something other than to do with the password.

Gus Mon, Apr 2, 2012 1:06:20pm

Suspect vehicle looks like it might be a grey late model Honda Accord.

Shiplord Kirel Mon, Apr 2, 2012 1:09:25pm

The religious right has long since taken over the Republican Party. They are reaching now for the brass rung of absolute power. If they succeed they will take this country down the same path other mystically inspired, reactionary authoritarians took Japan and Germany in the last century, to ruin and desolation.

EdDantes Mon, Apr 2, 2012 1:10:32pm

re: #95 iossarian

All scotus nominees are confirmed by the senate as a body.

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RadicalModerate Mon, Apr 2, 2012 1:24:06pm

re: #96 Learned Mother of Zion

Uh, well:

Maybe it had something other than to do with the password.

If you read the bolded section of what I posted, it was specifically because she didn't give her bosses her password. If they wanted to discipline her because of the FB post you mentioned, they can make a case for doing so. However, her account password was demanded, and when she refused to give it, she was terminated. They even sent her a letter stating this.

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Shvaughn Mon, Apr 2, 2012 1:35:20pm

That shooting is tragic.

The bombing is scary.

Last Saturday I volunteered at Planned Parenthood, at a community health fair in a park. Although I always feel a little vulnerable doing so, I always get reassured by the kind words from PP supporters who thank us for being there. On Saturday, an older black man came up and told me how happy he was that we're still around, and called the right-wingers "assholes" for trying to defund us. I smiled a lot.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Apr 2, 2012 2:50:05pm

re: #6 Obdicut

The thing is:

If people really, really believe that abortion is murdering sentient human beings, or, if they really, really feel that abortions result in souls being damned to eternal torment, then I'd expect them to be fighting a war over it. If I actually thought that there was institutionalized mass-murder being carried out in this country, I'd take up arms against it.

This is one of the weird disconnect between the fiery rhetoric and the actual reality of how people live their lives.

I don't know.

I am aware that there are goods made by slave labor in nearly all the stores near me. I haven't gone to war.

It is actually possible to put up with unbelievable injustice. People do it every day.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Apr 2, 2012 2:51:13pm

re: #15 ReamWorks

If they really believed it was genocide, they can pack up and move to a country where it's completely outlawed.

According to Wikipedia, they have the choice of Uruguay, Chile, Tuvalu, Nicaragua, El Slavador, Dominican Republic, Belize, Cyprus, Vatican City, Ireland (but there's a footnote to that), Maldives, or Laos.

I'd go to Cyprus, if I had to pick one.

Ireland for me, if the footnote does not preclude it. Lovely country. Also, I speak the language.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Apr 2, 2012 2:52:42pm

re: #29 Randall Gross

Oikos, Greek Orthodox or what?

Korean, from the names and descriptions I'm seeing.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Apr 2, 2012 2:56:47pm

re: #32 darthstar

American wingnut.

Devout Christian does not equal wingnut.

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Obdicut Mon, Apr 2, 2012 3:08:57pm

re: #102 SanFranciscoZionist

But the slaves are a long way away, and so are those who are enslaving them. Something happening right down the block is different to us humans.

If people were enslaving people here in the US-- and they occasionally are-- they get busted and shamed in the paper and everyone shuns them. And if people tried to make slavery legal again here, I would expect violent opposition.

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Shvaughn Mon, Apr 2, 2012 3:12:24pm

re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist

Devout Christian does not equal wingnut.

Doesn't necessarily exclude it either.

There are a lot of very conservative Korean Christians. I've learned this from listening to one of my Korean friends who happens to be gay.

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