Saturday Night Jam: Basement Jaxx - What a Difference Your Love Makes

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243 comments
1 b.d.  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:04:19pm

How cool was that?

2 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:16:21pm

youtube.com

WTF?

WHY DO I get this stuff in my email?

3 A Mom Anon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:16:38pm

Love that! It’s happy.

4 b_sharp  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:18:28pm

re: #2 FemNaziBitch

youtube.com

WTF?

WHY DO I get this stuff in my email?

Lucky?

5 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:22:38pm

re: #4 b_sharp

Lucky?

“We are treating forest fires as a land management issue when we should be treating as a security issue.”

Meaning, MORE power to Homeland Security? State to Federal?

WTF?

6 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:25:14pm

re: #2 FemNaziBitch

youtube.com

WTF?

WHY DO I get this stuff in my email?

I think you got it because you’re near LA Iowa. It doesn’t seem nutty, more like a plea to better fund firefighters. That said, Rachel Ehrenfeld is right-of-center.

Edited.

7 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:28:09pm
9 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:28:47pm
10 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:29:38pm

re: #6 Dark_Falcon

I think you got it because you’re near LA. It doesn’t seem nutty, more like a plea to better fund firefighters. That said, Rachel Ehrenfeld is right-of-center.

I got it because I have some friends who haven’t gotten the message that I’m no longer voting Republican or a Paranoid Freak.

I’m not in LA, I’m in Near Iowa, IL.

I replied that I thought it sounded like a really lame attempt to increase Federal power.

11 Interesting Times  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:31:16pm

re: #10 FemNaziBitch

I got it because I have some friends who haven’t gotten the message that I’m no longer voting Republican or a Paranoid Freak.

Climate change deniers offering advice about forest fires is like anti-vaxxers talking about how to combat infectious disease.

12 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:31:21pm

re: #9 Vicious Babushka

13 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:32:17pm

re: #10 FemNaziBitch

I got it because I have some friends who haven’t gotten the message that I’m no longer voting Republican or a Paranoid Freak.

I’m not in LA, I’m in Near Iowa, IL.

I replied that I thought it sounded like a really lame attempt to increase Federal power.

Sorry, I was thinking of Floral. I know darn well you and I live in the same state, but I had a brain fart.

14 jaunte  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:32:38pm

re: #8 FemNaziBitch

Yes!

15 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:33:50pm

re: #6 Dark_Falcon

I think you got it because you’re near LA Iowa. It doesn’t seem nutty, more like a plea to better fund firefighters. That said, Rachel Ehrenfeld is right-of-center.

Edited.

Post edited for accuracy.

16 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:34:14pm

The military really has a systemic problem:

For roughly 30 hours over several days, defense lawyers for three former United States Naval Academy football players grilled a female midshipman about her sexual habits. In a public hearing, they asked the woman, who has accused the three athletes of raping her, whether she wore a bra, how wide she opened her mouth during oral sex and whether she had apologized to another midshipman with whom she had intercourse “for being a ho.”

17 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:35:10pm

upworthy.com

18 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:35:49pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, I was thinking of Floral. I know darn well you and I live in the same state, but I had a brain fart.

brain farts happen

19 Kragar  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:36:16pm

re: #14 jaunte

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Yes!

Please proceed.

20 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:37:46pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

The military really has a systemic problem:

Cold War is Over and we know what Rape is a crime of Violence, not sex.

Guess the JAG didn’t get the memo 30 years ago.

21 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:39:04pm

re: #19 Kragar

Please proceed.

I say “Don’t wish for crazy people to run for president, because there’s always a chance they’ll win”.

22 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:42:04pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

I’m hoping for an inverse Canada, where the Moderate Liberals and the true Left Wing make up most of the country, but the Conservatives drive through the middle.

Only here it’s the Left-Wing driving between the Sane Right and the near-fascist Right. Then my side can enact the changes needed to heal the US.

Besides, the US needs a Tanzimat to break the hold of the nuts.

23 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:43:05pm

re: #20 FemNaziBitch

Cold War is Over and we know what Rape is a crime of Violence, not sex.

Guess the JAG didn’t get the memo 30 years ago.

Uniform Code of Military Justice may not have a rape shield provision. Without that, the defense is free to try to break the victim by bringing up her sexual history and trying to depict her as a slut. If you get a majority of people on the jury who’ll entertain the idea that “the slut was asking for it”, that tactic can work.

Has to be enough to turn the jury, since military law does not permit a hung jury. So only swaying one “traditionalist” wouldn’t get you there.

24 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:45:50pm

re: #22 ProTARDISLiberal

I’m hoping for an inverse Canada, where the Moderate Liberals and the true Left Wing make up most of the country, but the Conservatives drive through the middle.

Only here it’s the Left-Wing driving between the Sane Right and the near-fascist Right. Then my side can enact the changes needed to heal the US.

Besides, the US needs a Tanzimat to break the hold of the nuts.

Some reading for you. I’ll be back in about half an hour.

25 b_sharp  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:47:11pm

re: #14 jaunte

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Yes!

I think he means Tea Party, not Independents.

26 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 7:56:23pm

Thomas Friedman Op/Ed Generator.
Because this is what his writing actually looks like.

27 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:06:02pm

NERVOUS96

Vimeo

28 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:12:17pm
29 Kragar  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:12:53pm
30 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:13:09pm
31 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:17:17pm

re: #29 Kragar

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Isn’t it always interesting that the GOP’s answer to their problems getting elected is to find an anti-democracy solution?

32 jamesfirecat  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:18:46pm

re: #29 Kragar

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Because democracy is too important to be left in the hands of the people!

33 Gus  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:19:50pm
34 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:23:16pm

re: #31 William Barnett-Lewis

Isn’t it always interesting that the GOP’s answer to their problems getting elected is to find an anti-democracy solution?

Also, no mention of the gerrymandering at the root of GOP control of so many state houses and no mention that the US Senate is already structurally anti-democratic, giving Wyoming the same representation as California even though Wyoming only has enough population to support a single seat in the US House.

35 FurryNavyDude  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:28:58pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

Very fucked up.

Full disclosure: I was class of ‘88. In 1985, I was on the powerlifting team with a couple of guys, (I was a Plebe at the time and they were upperclassmen), who participated in a “train” with a female Midshipman. Apparently she “consented,” but even so, every single one of those guys was booted out within a month.

I’m wondering if we have actually gone backward here in the last decade.

USNA had not been infected with the evangelical virus the way USAFA had been in the 80’s, but still…I’m wondering if things got worse with that kinda shit after I left. The fundies seem to think along the same lines as hard core Islamists.

36 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:41:58pm

re: #35 FurryNavyDude

Very fucked up.

Full disclosure: I was class of ‘88. In 1985, I was on the powerlifting team with a couple of guys, (I was a Plebe at the time and they were upperclassmen), who participated in a “train” with a female Midshipman. Apparently she “consented,” but even so, every single one of those guys was booted out within a month.

I’m wondering if we have actually gone backward here in the last decade.

USNA had not been infected with the evangelical virus the way USAFA had been in the 80’s, but still…I’m wondering if things got worse with that kinda shit after I left. The fundies seem to think along the same lines as hard core Islamists.

Blaming the woman for the rape is a predictable by product of the just world hypothesis and illustrates how belief in a just world often tends to actually institutionalize injustice. It also in no way requires religion to operate. Some of the worst just worlders are strictly atheistic Ayn Rand following Objectivists who worship their own “rational self interest,” and justify the worst kinds of structural societal inequalities in the name of personal freedom.

37 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:45:48pm

Someone like me.

Youtube Video

38 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:46:01pm

If real small d democracy is the goal then we should change the rules so that both the House and Senate membership are proportionally tied to the national vote percentages. You know, a parliamentary system.

39 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:50:35pm

re: #35 FurryNavyDude

Very fucked up.

Full disclosure: I was class of ‘88. In 1985, I was on the powerlifting team with a couple of guys, (I was a Plebe at the time and they were upperclassmen), who participated in a “train” with a female Midshipman. Apparently she “consented,” but even so, every single one of those guys was booted out within a month.

I’m wondering if we have actually gone backward here in the last decade.

USNA had not been infected with the evangelical virus the way USAFA had been in the 80’s, but still…I’m wondering if things got worse with that kinda shit after I left. The fundies seem to think along the same lines as hard core Islamists.

You’ve noticed that too?

It seems they are at war with the “other” religion. They seem to think it’s all just fine because JESUS!!!

There is an element in the military that is fighting a religious war and it scares the shit out of me.

40 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:50:36pm

I’m back and I’m gone again for the night.

41 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:52:55pm

What’s the meaning of Stonehenge?

Youtube Video

42 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:54:01pm

re: #36 goddamnedfrank

Blaming the woman for the rape is a predictable by product of the just world hypothesis and illustrates how belief in a just world often tends to actually institutionalize injustice. It also in now way requires religion to operate. Some of the worst just worlders are strictly atheistic Ayn Rand following Objectivists who worship their own “rational self interest,” and justify the worst kinds of structural societal inequalities in the name of personal freedom.

and it’s all ABOUT MEEEEEEEE!

The idea that the world works in spite of, not because of, human beings and their ideas of reality is beyond some people to fathom.

I’ve just posted a few Pages on Rape as a WMD. It seems that it is banned by the UN just as chemical weapons are. Interesting huh?

43 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:54:52pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Someone like me.

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There is NO one like you, Charles.

44 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:54:53pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

What’s the meaning of Stonehenge?

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“In ancient times, hundreds of years before the dawn of history, an ancient race of people… the Druids. No one knows who they were or what they were doing… “

45 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:56:51pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

“In ancient times, hundreds of years before the dawn of history, an ancient race of people… the Druids. No one knows who they were or what they were doing… “

Romans decided they were the most evil of evils and destroyed every last shred of evidence they existed. Makes me want to know what made them so evil that even the Romans were horrified.

46 Carlos Danger  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:00:36pm

re: #45 FemNaziBitch

Romans decided they were the most evil of evils and destroyed every last shred of evidence they existed. Makes me want to know what made them so evil that even the Romans were horrified.

I don’t know, but Pat Robertson probably thinks the Teletubbies are stealth druids.

47 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:03:49pm

re: #46 Carlos Danger

I don’t know, but Pat Robertson probably thinks the Teletubbies are stealth druids.

Are they still on?

48 Carlos Danger  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:04:58pm

re: #47 FemNaziBitch

Nah. Eh-oh!

49 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:08:13pm

re: #39 FemNaziBitch

You’ve noticed that too?

It seems they are at war with the “other” religion. They seem to think it’s all just fine because JESUS!!!

There is an element in the military that is fighting a religious war and it scares the shit out of me.

They don’t seem to understand that they’re at war with Jesus too. But that fundy virus is probably the most deadly pandemic going around right now :(

50 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:09:35pm

re: #49 William Barnett-Lewis

They don’t seem to understand that they’re at war with Jesus too. But that fundy virus is probably the most deadly pandemic going around right now :(

I agree.

It’s certainly toxic to women.

51 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:11:43pm

re: #45 FemNaziBitch

Romans decided they were the most evil of evils and destroyed every last shred of evidence they existed. Makes me want to know what made them so evil that even the Romans were horrified.

Mostly had to do with that they still did occasional human sacrifice. Rome had only recently (relatively) gone from real human sacrifice to the Games and so had the horror of the ex-smoker smelling tobacco. Plus the druids controlled the flow of gold out of Britain … O_o

Should I give a nice Marxist analysis too? :D

52 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:16:46pm

re: #51 William Barnett-Lewis

Mostly had to do with that they still did occasional human sacrifice. Rome had only recently (relatively) gone from real human sacrifice to the Games and so had the horror of the ex-smoker smelling tobacco. Plus the druids controlled the flow of gold out of Britain ... O_o

Should I give a nice Marxist analysis too? :D

ah!

53 Carlos Danger  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:21:21pm

Damnatio dirty druid lobster eaters!

54 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:21:23pm

Well, I’m on the 3rd of the Game of Thrones audio books. Kid told me he actually owns the Movie/TV show thingy. I am so clueless.

I’m going to listen to the book and zone out on photoshop for a while.

nytol!

55 Gus  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:25:55pm

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56 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:27:52pm

re: #52 FemNaziBitch

ah!

Heh. You got the hint… ;)

57 Gus  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:28:14pm

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59 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:30:30pm

re: #54 FemNaziBitch

Well, I’m on the 3rd of the Game of Thrones audio books. Kid told me he actually owns the Movie/TV show thingy. I am so clueless.

I’m going to listen to the book and zone out on photoshop for a while.

nytol!

I almost snarked. I seriously hope you enjoy it more than I did. I got 3/4 of the way through the first book before throwing it across the room.

“Despicable piece of post modernist fantasy fiction” is the kindest review I’ve ever been able to write.

60 Kragar  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:31:17pm

re: #59 William Barnett-Lewis

I almost snarked. I seriously hope you enjoy it more than I did. I got 3/4 of the way through the first book before throwing it across the room.

“Despicable piece of post modernist fantasy fiction” is the kindest review I’ve ever been able to write.

I read the first 3 books and can’t find the interest to go any further.

61 Gus  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:32:12pm

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62 Stanley Sea  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:34:29pm

re: #61 Gus

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He’ll be running for something soon. Legacy ya know.

63 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:34:48pm

re: #46 Carlos Danger

I don’t know, but Pat Robertson probably thinks the Teletubbies are stealth druids.

These are not the druids you are looking for.

64 Gus  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:35:14pm

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65 Stanley Sea  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:37:27pm

re: #64 Gus

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Night Gus.

66 Stanley Sea  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:37:51pm

Me too.

67 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:39:09pm

Gnight all. Here’s a present…

Youtube Video

68 Gus  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:42:11pm

Wasn’t really logging off yet. But.

69 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:45:58pm

No matter how tired I am, 400 miles on the highway makes it tough to wind down. I think I’ll try a beer and a shower.

Last night the motel shook every time a train went by. I made sure I was 75 miles from the nearest tracks before I stopped tonight. The only noise is my neighbors hanging out on the balcony.

70 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:48:12pm

re: #64 Gus

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I love that thing. Needs an irony meter.

71 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:48:50pm

Oh shit, it’s not a twist-off. Must be an opener around here somewhere…..

72 Gus  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:49:50pm

re: #71 wrenchwench

Oh shit, it’s not a twist-off. Must be an opener around here somewhere…..

Check the bathroom.

73 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:52:06pm

re: #72 Gus

Check the bathroom.

There’s a phone in there, on the wall right next to the toilet. And a red heat lamp. And a very loud fan.

I’m going to ask the guys on the balcony. Como se dice ‘opener’?

74 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:53:24pm

Or do you say ‘llave’?

75 Gus  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:53:52pm

re: #73 wrenchwench

There’s a phone in there, on the wall right next to the toilet. And a red heat lamp. And a very loud fan.

I’m going to ask the guys on the balcony. Como se dice ‘opener’?

abrebotellas

76 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:55:12pm

He used a lighter.

77 Gus  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:55:22pm

re: #73 wrenchwench

There’s a phone in there, on the wall right next to the toilet. And a red heat lamp. And a very loud fan.

I’m going to ask the guys on the balcony. Como se dice ‘opener’?

Call room service.

78 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:56:00pm

re: #77 Gus

Call room service.

Not that kind of facility here….

79 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:57:39pm

But it is the nicest place I have stayed on this trip. The ice machine works, the wifi works, the tv works. Didn’t get all three at the other places.

80 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 9:59:20pm

It’s not a problem to have a beer in front of you, so to speak, is it? I’ve hauled two of them around since Tuesday, and only now opened one.

Good going with your changes, btw.

81 Gus  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:06:55pm

Slams back an Ensure.

Fires up the clove low-nicotine e-cig.

Checks heating pad on thigh. Foot hurts. Guts down low.

82 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:11:28pm

Being shot in the face by Jared Loughner wasn’t enough?

83 Gus  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:13:02pm

“Well now. It appears that I’m the only one sober enough in here to fly this airplane.”

84 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:26:32pm

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

Libya is in dire need of support. Otherwise, a collapse will occur.

We can’t don’t anything for Syria. But we can help Libya through growing pains, for a fraction of the money that would be spent bashing Syria.

In Skyrim news, my first character now has 520K gold. Along with being Thane in all nine holds, 5 Homes in the major cities, 3 Homesteads, a home in Solstheim.

With all the crap I have accrued and have stored, I must be the wealthiest dude in Skyrim now. And most powerful. Arch-Mage of Winterhold, Harbinger of the Companions, Legate of the Empire, and Guild Master of the Thieves Guild.

85 Gus  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 10:30:50pm

‘Night.

86 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 11:13:42pm

Later, lizards.

87 Carlos Danger  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 11:15:56pm

I just realized Rand Paul looks like young Fred Schneider.

He came from Planet Claire…

88 piratedan  Sat, Sep 21, 2013 11:53:09pm

re: #82 wrenchwench

That’s my Congressman, while he’s no Gabby Giffords, he’s been a fairly reliable and fairly innocuous Democrat. Have no idea on why he’d generate this kind of vitriol unless the person in question is your typical Russel Pearce/Jan Brewer Republican whackjob (aka 51% of the state)

89 freetoken  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 12:02:34am

This one goes out to those mysterious Druids:

MP3 Audio

90 prairiefire  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 1:33:30am

Who wants to be 15 or 16 years old again? Not me!

91 freetoken  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:18:17am

Josef Rheinberger’s op. 134.

The mp3 player won’t like this link, but just click on it:

cfile2.uf.tistory.com

92 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:05:57am

re: #51 William Barnett-Lewis

Mostly had to do with that they still did occasional human sacrifice. Rome had only recently (relatively) gone from real human sacrifice to the Games and so had the horror of the ex-smoker smelling tobacco. Plus the druids controlled the flow of gold out of Britain … O_o

Should I give a nice Marxist analysis too? :D

Glad you enjoyed the documentary on the Hittite Empire.

As to the Druids, my father told me when I was a kid that he had learned in parochial school (this would’ve been in the 1930s) when they were studying ancient history that - aside from the gold - the Romans accused the Druids of not only human sacrifice, but of ritual cannibalism as well. Of course, the Romans aren’t the most reliable of historians, and their version of history was very much self-serving, but there were apparently multiple Roman sources attesting to the Druids not only sacrificing prisoners of war but eating them as well.

How true that is, or if it’s merely an early example of atrocity propaganda, I cannot say.

That being said, ritual cannibalism is certainly not entirely unknown or unheard of; there are documented examples of it from other cultures in other times and places.

93 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:16:01am

re: #92 Dr Lizardo

Like last month in Syria.

94 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:27:43am

Dave Weigle on The Silly in Chantilly. These are the folks who bring you Creepy Uncle Sam.

slate.com

95 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:40:39am

re: #93 Decatur Deb

Like last month in Syria.

I was thinking of the Aztecs; the argument regarding the Aztecs is to exactly how widespread cannibalism was, and what purpose it may have served. Was it simply part of a religious ritual, or was there some necessity in it?

Personally, I tend to lean more towards a ritualistic explanation for it, and frankly, I doubt it was as widespread as some of the conquistadores indicated in their writings.

96 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:47:14am

re: #95 Dr Lizardo

I was thinking of the Aztecs; the argument regarding the Aztecs is to exactly how widespread cannibalism was, and what purpose it may have served. Was it simply part of a religious ritual, or was there some necessity in it?

Personally, I tend to lean more towards a ritualistic explanation for it, and frankly, I doubt it was as widespread as some of the conquistadores indicated in their writings.

Certainly ritual for well-fed Aztecs. A little cloudier in Papua/New Guinea highlands, where the sacrament and the entree got a bit more mixed. (That’s where the link between cannibalism and koro, the debilitating brain disease was first proposed.)

97 Flounder  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:49:24am

Anybody know these old dudes?!

nypost.com

98 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:50:05am

re: #95 Dr Lizardo

I was thinking of the Aztecs; the argument regarding the Aztecs is to exactly how widespread cannibalism was, and what purpose it may have served. Was it simply part of a religious ritual, or was there some necessity in it?

Personally, I tend to lean more towards a ritualistic explanation for it, and frankly, I doubt it was as widespread as some of the conquistadores indicated in their writings.

Even its presence in a ritualistic setting would have been more than enough to set the conquistadores off. And while the Druids sacrificed humans only occasionally by the time the Romans encountered them, the Aztecs who the conquistadores encountered still practiced it on a vast scale, richly justifying their downfall.

99 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:52:55am

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

Even its presence in a ritualistic setting would have been more than enough to set the conquistadores off. And while the Druids sacrificed humans only occasionally by the time the Romans encountered them, the Aztecs who the conquistadores encountered still practiced it on a vast scale, richly justifying their downfall.

Want to look at human sacrifice and cannibalism in the redemption and eucharist?

100 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:56:50am

Back in 15, after limping around the block with doofusdog.

101 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:57:00am

re: #99 Decatur Deb

Want to look at human sacrifice and cannibalism in the redemption and eucharist?

There is a difference between symbolism and killing thousands of men over 3 days to dedicate a new temple. The Aztecs had their good points, but many of their deeds were utterly evil.

102 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:58:17am

re: #96 Decatur Deb

Certainly ritual for well-fed Aztecs. A little cloudier in Papua/New Guinea highlands, where the sacrament and the entree got a bit more mixed. (That’s where the link between cannibalism and koro, the debilitating brain disease was first proposed.)

I remember my dad telling me about koro when I was younger; he’d encountered people suffering from it during his Navy days in WWII. He always called it “kuru kuru”. He said it was the result of eating human brains.

103 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 5:18:49am

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

There is a difference between symbolism and killing thousands of men over 3 days to dedicate a new temple. The Aztecs had their good points, but many of their deeds were utterly evil.

One tribe’s evil is another tribe’s piety. Your argument is quantitative, not qualitative.

104 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 5:22:44am

No doubt the death toll will rise, unfortunately.

Israeli forces join Kenya battle to end deadly mall siege

google.com

“Interior Minister Joseph Ole Lenku said 59 people were confirmed dead, while the Red Cross has estimated the number of injured at around 200.

“Lenku said there were still between 10 to 15 gunmen in the shopping centre. “We believe there are some innocent people in the building, that is why the operation is delicate.”

105 McSpiff  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 5:23:53am

re: #103 Decatur Deb

One tribe’s evil is another tribe’s piety. Your argument is quantitative, not qualitative.

Same thing applies to KZ camps but I won’t lose any sleep in criticizing that.

106 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 5:25:30am

re: #105 McSpiff

Same thing applies to KZ camps but I won’t lose any sleep in criticizing that.

So far I’m hanging with the Quakers and Amish, and even they have a nasty side.

107 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 5:26:01am

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

There is a difference between symbolism and killing thousands of men over 3 days to dedicate a new temple. The Aztecs had their good points, but many of their deeds were utterly evil.

The Aztecs were shitlords, but they were conquered by shitlords who thought nothing of killing hundreds of thousands of people by enslaving them and forcing them to work in mines. That gold was produced rather than a temple is a pretty unimportant distinction.

108 McSpiff  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 5:27:34am

re: #107 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

re: #106 Decatur Deb

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

Sidebar: Not sure if you guys were here yesterday when I popped my head in, but I’ve accepted a position in the USA :D

109 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 5:28:06am

re: #107 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The Aztecs were shitlords, but they were conquered by shitlords who thought nothing of killing hundreds of thousands of people by enslaving them and forcing them to work in mines. That gold was produced rather than a temple is a pretty unimportant distinction.

Classic book is Hummingbird and the Hawk. Rarely have two opponents so deserved each other.

amazon.com

110 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 5:28:09am

re: #107 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The Aztecs were shitlords, but they were conquered by shitlords who thought nothing of killing hundreds of thousands of people by enslaving them and forcing them to work in mines. That gold was produced rather than a temple is a pretty unimportant distinction.

True that. Slavers were and are slavers, however they justify it and whatever banner they fly.

111 Lidane  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 5:28:59am

re: #96 Decatur Deb

Certainly ritual for well-fed Aztecs. A little cloudier in Papua/New Guinea highlands, where the sacrament and the entree got a bit more mixed. (That’s where the link between cannibalism and koro, the debilitating brain disease was first proposed.)

You’re thinking of Kuru. Koro is the mental condition that convinces people their genitals are shrinking.

112 Lidane  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 5:30:38am

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

There is a difference between symbolism and killing thousands of men over 3 days to dedicate a new temple. The Aztecs had their good points, but many of their deeds were utterly evil.

Except that Transubstantiation says that the wafer and wine are literally the body and blood of Christ. It’s not symbolic.

113 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 5:31:53am

“I didn’t let it touch me!”

This is basically a conversation I overheard between two libertarians. A depressing, but informative conversation. Basically, one of them was talking about how he had listened to the arguments of a “Marxist” professor (the professor is not a Marxist, he simply understands Marxist critique of capitalism) about the flaws, especially the information flaws, of capitalism. He acknowledged that the professor’s arguments were well-thought-out, well-backed up, and matched empirically reality.

But, he said “I didn’t let it touch me.” He didn’t see the argument as an argument that he could settle in his own mind. In fact, after listening to this argument he said he ‘read some Libertarian blogs for awhile just to reassure myself’. He didn’t seek out arguments that actually defeated the critique (which, y’know, there aren’t any), he was looking to them for reassurance, as a religious person in a time of personal agony might read his bible.

This correlates, to me, with another fact: many people who change their minds on a subject are more often depressed afterwards than not, regardless of whether the change of mind led to a better outcome. People who have been taking echinachea and willow bark for their cancer, who finally choose to use real therapies and see them work are more depressed afterwards. This is, of course, in US society, and it obviously to me is culturally bounded, but it’s still one of the major problems we have here in the US. Getting the libertarian to acknowledge that the other’s argument completely demolished his own wasn’t hard. Getting that to make him actually change his mind would be very hard, and would revolve, I think, around ameliorating this embarrassment/shame/pain that is felt by many of those who change their minds.

114 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 5:32:11am

re: #104 Justanotherhuman

No doubt the death toll will rise, unfortunately.

Israeli forces join Kenya battle to end deadly mall siege

google.com

“Interior Minister Joseph Ole Lenku said 59 people were confirmed dead, while the Red Cross has estimated the number of injured at around 200.

“Lenku said there were still between 10 to 15 gunmen in the shopping centre. “We believe there are some innocent people in the building, that is why the operation is delicate.”

Not a surprise Kenya asked for help, a little surprising that they asked Israel, though that may be also intended as a public “Fuck You! to the jihadis. It’ll surely have that effect, causing Islamists in Kenya to go batty that “our brothers are being killed by teh JOOOOs!!!11”

115 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 5:32:50am

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

True that. Slavers were and are slavers, however they justify it and whatever banner they fly.

So are those who pay workers what they know are subsistence or sub-subsistence wages.

116 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 5:33:05am

re: #108 McSpiff

Sidebar: Not sure if you guys were here yesterday when I popped my head in, but I’ve accepted a position in the USA :D

Missionary position?

117 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 5:34:29am

re: #111 Lidane

You’re thinking of Kuru. Koro is the mental condition that convinces people their genitals are shrinking.

Ah yes, Koro. That’s what Rush Limbaugh and Bryan Fischer suffer from, is it not?

/semi

118 McSpiff  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 5:35:02am

re: #116 Decatur Deb

Missionary position?

I come with a hockey stick in one hand and a copy of The Handmaid’s Tale in the other!

119 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 5:35:41am

re: #111 Lidane

You’re thinking of Kuru. Koro is the mental condition that convinces people their genitals are shrinking.

Possibly, remembering it from an article in the 70s.

amazon.com

Yup—calling it kuru in there.

120 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 5:36:42am

re: #115 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I don’t really agree, but I’m unwilling to debate that aspect.

121 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 5:39:27am

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

I don’t really agree, but I’m unwilling to debate that aspect.

I think you’re more unable to debate that aspect than unwilling.

Dark, if you actually want to challenge yourself intellectually and potentially grow as a person, you should read this:

ssc.wisc.edu

123 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 5:51:46am

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

Why is your post a link to itself?

The Guardian, like pretty much any other source of information, has an agenda and a bias. If you restrict yourself to ‘objective’ sources, you’re left with nothing.

124 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 5:56:05am

re: #123 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Why is your post a link to itself?

The Guardian, like pretty much any other source of information, has an agenda and a bias. If you restrict yourself to ‘objective’ sources, you’re left with nothing.

Because I’m hoping people will click through to see what I was replying to: A Guardian article of such superlative anti-Americanism that it can be honestly said to be Fox News-level biased.

125 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 5:59:16am

Heh. Watching Daughter1 on Wife’s Ipad using Facetime to talk Wife through Skype installation on a Linux laptop. Need to get the ‘human out of the loop’.

126 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:01:00am

re: #125 Decatur Deb

Heh. Watching Daughter1 on Wife’s Ipad using Facetime to talk Wife through Skype installation on a Linux laptop. Need to get the ‘human out of the loop’.

What does it mean when Skynet starts playing Skyrim?

127 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:02:11am

re: #126 Feline Fearless Leader

What does it mean when Skynet starts playing Skyrim?

Colossus: “Warn. There is another system.”

Youtube Video

128 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:02:42am

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

Because I’m hoping people will click through to see what I was replying to: A Guardian article of such superlative anti-Americanism that it can be honestly said to be Fox News-level biased.

Well, it’s a good example. There is a real problem: The US has an insanely high rate of gun deaths compared to other first-world nations. The hyperbole then is ladled on top of it by the Guardian, calling it a ‘civil war’, which is dumb as shit.

Moreover, you’re attacking an opinion piece for being an opinion piece. It is a bad opinion piece, but it is being presented as opinion, not as fact. Fox News’s biggest problem (and this is found in plenty of Guardian reporting to, but not by this article) is that it represents opinion as fact.

The media as a whole, in fact, is in retreat from facts, with most of the media unwilling to label direct lies from the GOP as lies, instead presenting it as one perspective. Fox News is an egregious example of politicization of the news, but the other media sources, while less politicized, arrive at much the same destination.

Like Greenwald’s uncritical portrayal of Oathkeepers, the mainstream media’s portrayal of GOP positions that have no connection with reality makes them basically untrustable as source. Even on the subject of global warming, which is an incredibly well-established physical fact, as contentious as the idea of plate tectonics, the GOP lies about global warming not occurring, not being a consequence of man’s activities, or being somehow beneficial are reported without the notation that these are obscenely stupid lies.

129 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:05:28am

re: #128 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Youtube Video

;)

130 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:07:06am

re: #126 Feline Fearless Leader

What does it mean when Skynet starts playing Skyrim?

Youtube Video

131 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:07:47am

re: #127 Decatur Deb

Colossus: “Warn. There is another system.”

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Heh. This, from the same movie, is one of the greatest and most ominous monologues in cinema history, in my opinion.

Youtube Video

132 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:11:02am

Unconfirmed reports that the Russian embassy in Damascus got mortared.

133 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:12:52am

re: #113 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

“I didn’t let it touch me!”

This is basically a conversation I overheard between two libertarians. A depressing, but informative conversation. Basically, one of them was talking about how he had listened to the arguments of a “Marxist” professor (the professor is not a Marxist, he simply understands Marxist critique of capitalism) about the flaws, especially the information flaws, of capitalism. He acknowledged that the professor’s arguments were well-thought-out, well-backed up, and matched empirically reality.

But, he said “I didn’t let it touch me.” He didn’t see the argument as an argument that he could settle in his own mind. In fact, after listening to this argument he said he ‘read some Libertarian blogs for awhile just to reassure myself’. He didn’t seek out arguments that actually defeated the critique (which, y’know, there aren’t any), he was looking to them for reassurance, as a religious person in a time of personal agony might read his bible.

This correlates, to me, with another fact: many people who change their minds on a subject are more often depressed afterwards than not, regardless of whether the change of mind led to a better outcome. People who have been taking echinachea and willow bark for their cancer, who finally choose to use real therapies and see them work are more depressed afterwards. This is, of course, in US society, and it obviously to me is culturally bounded, but it’s still one of the major problems we have here in the US. Getting the libertarian to acknowledge that the other’s argument completely demolished his own wasn’t hard. Getting that to make him actually change his mind would be very hard, and would revolve, I think, around ameliorating this embarrassment/shame/pain that is felt by many of those who change their minds.

I think you’re being far too kind.

Some of the biggest shitheads in the world are libertarians whose own narcissistic idealism won’t permit reasoned discussion and analysis. Libertarianism is all about the individual doing what he (mainly he) will. It’s pretty reactionary, and why so many white dudebro types embrace it. The only thing I think will change their minds is finally growing up and learning how the world really works.

What you’re describing is more like a rightwing fundie finally waking up to the fact that s/he is actually being ignorant and stupid about hurting the very people s/he is a part of, and going against the message JC taught about the poor, tolerance, and redemption, the new Testament being the actual foundation of christianity, the revelation of JC as the “messiah” and “son of god”, and all that. Strip out the religious aspects, and you have a sort of primitive socialism in which group dynamics and well being is more important than enriching and puffing up ones own self at the expense of others. Humans being humans, though, JC was a product of his time and deified not as a skilled analyst and political activist by reasonable people, but elevated to the very position that “believers” wanted him in a religious context.

134 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:14:31am

re: #128 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

You think in more complex terms than I do. For me its “Hostile Org says something especially nasty, call attention to it and pound them into the ground with your replies.” Reflection isn’t needed at the initial point and in fact it hinders decisive action. Because coalition politics being what they are, smacking down the other side means you’ll have to accommodate some assholes yourself.

135 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:16:16am

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

That explanation is incredibly incoherent and makes no sense on anything other than an emotional level. It isn’t a reasoned approach, it’s basically saying you abandon all reason and critical thinking and ethics.

136 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:20:22am

More carnage.

Suicide Attack at Christian Church in Pakistan Kills Dozens

nytimes.com

PESHAWAR, Pakistan — A suicide attack on a historic Christian church in northwestern Pakistan killed at least 75 people on Sunday in one of the deadliest attacks on the Christian minority in Pakistan in years.

“The attack occurred as worshipers left the All Saints Church in the old quarter of the regional capital, Peshawar, after a service on Sunday morning. Up to 600 worshipers had attended the service and were leaving to receive free food being distributed on the lawn outside when two explosions ripped through the crowd.

“Dozens of people were killed and more than 100 wounded, said Akhtar Ali Shah, the home secretary of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Province. “

137 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:21:08am

re: #131 Dr Lizardo

Heh. This, from the same movie, is one of the greatest and most ominous monologues in cinema history, in my opinion.

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Also has a large grain of truth buried in it - which adds to how ominous it is.

138 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:23:13am

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

To put it another way, how is the Guardian a ‘hostile org’? Hostile to what?

139 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:26:36am

re: #135 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

It’s entirely coherant: The object of confrontation is to demonstrate your own strength, show the enemy up as the asshole he is, and then damage him in whatever lawful ways present themselves. Its about taking power and purging the anger I would feel.

140 A Mom Anon  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:28:01am

re: #113 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I think it’s driven by utter selfishness. If these people got out of their own heads for awhile and did things to actually help people, you know, be kind and stuff, that depression might lift significantly. Might take awhile, and they’d need support, but I’d bet, for most of them anyway, it would help. They need a community to replace the one they lost. That part is understandable. The selfishness of that ideology is damaging IMO, going the other direction couldn’t hurt. It appeals to assholes, if something doesn’t fill that void the person won’t ever change. Or they’ll feel stuck between the two worlds and be angry and act accordingly.

I was raised by right wing, evangelical, end of times believing, Amway selling parents. After I was an adult, I had one hell of a time accepting that not only was damn near everything they taught me about “how life works” bullshit, but there was never going to be the acceptance from them I craved. I don’t think I ever bought into the whole thing hook, line and sinker, I WANTED to, but I couldn’t. But it was hard to not be sad and I did a lot of dumb shit trying to make piece with everything. One key to that peace making was doing nice things when I could do them.

I can imagine how hard it is to recalculate, even if you know what you’re doing is wrongheaded. I think community is key, which is something a randian type might have trouble with at first.

141 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:30:11am

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

It’s entirely coherant: The object of confrontation is to demonstrate your own strength, show the enemy up as the asshole he is, and then damage him in whatever lawful ways present themselves. Its about taking power and purging the anger I would feel.

See, this, to me, is incoherent. Or rather: Why is this your attitude towards the Guardian, but not to the creationists and AGW deniers in the GOP? How are they not ‘the enemy’ to you?

Everything you’re talking about is in (frankly nutso sounding) emotional terms. How do you determine who ‘the enemy’ is?

142 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:30:51am

re: #140 A Mom Anon

I’m sorry, how would a cancer patient switching from ‘natural’ therapies to working ones and then feeling depressed even though the new therapies work demonstrate selfishness?

143 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:34:32am

re: #141 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

See, this, to me, is incoherent. Or rather: Why is this your attitude towards the Guardian, but not to the creationists and AGW deniers in the GOP? How are they not ‘the enemy’ to you?

Everything you’re talking about is in (frankly nutso sounding) emotional terms. How do you determine who ‘the enemy’ is?

The creationist isn’t the enemy because he and I are part of the same party. I don’t agree with the creationist on some issues, but on others we can cooperate. The Guardian is deeply and openly hostile to that party and is thus the enemy. With such an open enemy there can be no cooperation.

144 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:35:11am

re: #140 A Mom Anon

It is sort of odd to hear libertarians talking about “online communities”, also, when all they mean is a forum to spew their ideology and promote themselves.

In order to even “recalculate” you would have to have a modicum of humility and self-introspection, and for too many of them, that would be losing their “self-integrity”.

145 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:35:11am

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

It’s entirely coherant: The object of confrontation is to demonstrate your own strength, show the enemy up as the asshole he is, and then damage him in whatever lawful ways present themselves. Its about taking power and purging the anger I would feel.

You missed the part about the lamentations of their women.

146 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:37:00am

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

The creationist isn’t the enemy because he and I are part of the same party.

And this is your only criteria? Party uber alles? This isn’t you parodying yourself?

If true, what I don’t get about this is how you view yourself as a patriot, when your loyalty is just to party. Creationists are harming the US, demonstrably, hugely harming the United States. So, at the moment, is the GOP as a whole.

Why isn’t your loyalty to country more important?

147 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:38:45am

re: #145 Decatur Deb

You missed the part about the lamentations of their women.

Because I don’t enjoy that part. I’m not a fan of “collateral damage”, even if the damage is emotional. I accept that it will sometimes happen, but I do believe in not hurting those who have done no wrong, if at all possible.

148 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:39:57am

with the rumors that the Kenya terrorists are have a female leader I’m seeing some speculation that it might be this chick…
The hunt for the white widow

In the feverish atmosphere of Kenya’s war on terror, rumours abound as to the whereabouts of Samantha Lewthwaite, the Muslim convert from Aylesbury who is on the run after a foiled bomb plot. Mike Pflanz reports from Mombasa

149 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:40:18am

re: #147 Dark_Falcon

Supporting creationists and AGW deniers is embracing collateral damage on a huge scale. The biggest, in fact, possible scale. You’re completely fine with collateral damage.

150 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:40:44am

re: #148 Killgore Trout

Thank god for speculation, eh? Where would you be without it?

151 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:41:33am

re: #148 Killgore Trout

with the rumors that the Kenya terrorists are have a female leader I’m seeing some speculation that it might be this chick…
The hunt for the white widow

She’s probably the most sought-after woman on the face of the planet right now, and it’s for all the wrong reasons.

152 Varek Raith  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:42:05am

re: #150 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Thank god for speculation, eh? Where would you be without it?

Uranus.

153 Varek Raith  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:46:33am

504 Gateway Time-out

Just got that after posting a comment.
Probably some verizon nonsense.

154 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:47:23am

re: #153 Arrrr, matey!

A datatruck has overturned in the internet tube, and now the headers have gotten out and are arguing about who had synchronistic priority.

155 Varek Raith  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:47:40am

Oh dear, my internet is very messed up…

Thanks Obama!

156 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:48:45am

re: #151 Dr Lizardo

She’s probably the most sought-after woman on the face of the planet right now, and it’s for all the wrong reasons.

Fascinating story. I’d forgotten all about her. It does seem the kind of thing she’d be into and she has been active in the general vicinity so it might actually be her. It does seem odd that Al Shabaab would throw away such a high value asset on an operation like this. If she is there I think it’s unlikely she’ll live through it. But I suppose they’ve already racked up a lot of publicity and a high death toll from the attack so I suppose it might be worth it.

157 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:52:17am

re: #154 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

A datatruck has overturned in the internet tube, and now the headers have gotten out and arguing about who had synchronistic priority.

You missed the latest reports: One of the headers shot up another’s portal. The net police separated the headers but they had to let the shooting header go because his destination was in Florida and he’d claim he was just Standing His Ground.

158 Lidane  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:53:57am

No one could have predicted this:

NRA’s LaPierre on Navy Yard shooting: ‘There weren’t enough good guys with guns’

159 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 6:56:50am

re: #158 Lidane

No one could have predicted this:

NRA’s LaPierre on Navy Yard shooting: ‘There weren’t enough good guys with guns’

The man can’t help himself. The facts favor him on this one and he still finds a way to blow it. They ought to make him wear Chicago Cubs gear to his public appearances; He FAILs that badly.

160 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 7:00:17am

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

The man can’t help himself. The facts favor him on this one and he still finds a way to blow it. They ought to make him wear Chicago Cubs gear to his public appearances; He FAILs that badly.

How exactly do the facts favor him? Please consider the number, per capita, of gun deaths in other western countries.

161 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 7:01:10am

re: #156 Killgore Trout

Fascinating story. I’d forgotten all about her. It does seem the kind of thing she’d be into and she has been active in the general vicinity so it might actually be her. It does seem odd that Al Shabaab would throw away such a high value asset on an operation like this. If she is there I think it’s unlikely she’ll live through it. But I suppose they’ve already racked up a lot of publicity and a high death toll from the attack so I suppose it might be worth it.

Yep. Hard to say at this point, even though it strikes me as foolish on Al Shabaab’s part to throw away an asset like her, but on the other hand, wisdom is in extremely short supply in groups like Al Shabaab, so maybe, yes, they really would be that dumb.

The Telegraph article does also note that it’s also entirely possible that she’s hunkered down anonymously somewhere in Eastern Africa with her kids, keeping a very low profile. That’s also a possibility.

162 Lidane  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 7:01:29am

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

The facts rarely, if ever, favor Wayne LaPierre. He’s just a Johnny One Note shill who will say there weren’t enough guns no matter what the circumstances.

163 Gus  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 7:04:27am
164 Varek Raith  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 7:09:36am

Stupid router…

165 Gus  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 7:12:33am

Kofi Awoonor

Kofi Awoonor (13 March 1935 - 21 September 2013) was a Ghanaian poet and author whose work combined the poetic traditions of his native Ewe people and contemporary and religious symbolism to depict Africa during decolonization…

Awoonor was among those killed in the September 21, 2013 terrorist attack by Al-Shabaab at Westgate Shopping Mall, Nairobi, Kenya. He was in Nairobi as a participant in the Storymoja Hay Festival, a four-day celebration of writing, thinking and storytelling. He was due to perform on Saturday evening before his death. The Ghanaian government confirmed his death the next day. His son was also shot, but was later discharged from hospital….

166 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 7:45:01am

re: #165 Gus

All the deaths are equally tragic, but that one is more fraught. A diplomat, a writer, a foreigner. Sad day for Ghana as well as for Kenya.

167 Eventual Carrion  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 7:53:39am

re: #150 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Thank god for speculation, eh? Where would you be without it?

What if there were no rhetorical questions?

168 Eventual Carrion  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 7:55:57am

re: #158 Lidane

No one could have predicted this:

NRA’s LaPierre on Navy Yard shooting: ‘There weren’t enough good guys with guns’

Wonder what the good guys to bad guys ratio needs to be?

169 122 Year Old Obama  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 7:57:31am

re: #168 Eventual Carrion

Wonder what the good guys to bad guys ratio needs to be?

Infinity to eleventy.

170 darthstar  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 7:58:26am

re: #168 Eventual Carrion

Wonder what the good guys to bad guys ratio needs to be?

Clint Eastwood

171 darthstar  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 7:59:03am

Mornin’ everyone.

172 Eventual Carrion  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 7:59:39am

re: #170 darthstar

Clint Eastwood

Just so the bad guys don’t “feel lucky”.

173 sagehen  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:00:34am

re: #168 Eventual Carrion

Wonder what the good guys to bad guys ratio needs to be?

They still haven’t answered the basic question that if the good guys pull and everyone’s shooting at everyone… when the cops show up, how are they supposed to know which of the shooters are good guys?

174 A Mom Anon  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:01:01am

re: #142 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I was referring to libertarians, I should have been more clear. A physical illness is one thing with an entirely different life/death aspect. Being a libertarian butthead is a whole other thing.

175 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:01:35am

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

The creationist isn’t the enemy because he and I are part of the same party. I don’t agree with the creationist on some issues, but on others we can cooperate. The Guardian is deeply and openly hostile to that party and is thus the enemy. With such an open enemy there can be no cooperation.

I’m curious about something: Seeing as how LGF is also deeply & openly hostile to your party, at least in its current configuration, what justification do you use to reconcile your continued participation here with your party loyalty?

176 Eventual Carrion  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:03:40am

re: #171 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone.

Morning. Just got out of nice hot tub where I was reading about leptin and insulin hormone reactions/inaction in reference to obesity and type 2 diabetes. Relaxing.

177 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:07:09am

re: #174 A Mom Anon

I was referring to libertarians, I should have been more clear. A physical illness is one thing with an entirely different life/death aspect.

Then you didn’t understand the jist of what I said.

I think the same mechanism is at work in someone changing their worldview on economic fairness and on cancer treatment. In both cases, changing the view leads to depressed mood in many people even when they say that the change has been correct. Simply saying libertarians are selfish is kina pointless; libertarianism accepts selfishness as an axiom.

If you’re arguing that people are drawn towards libertarianism because they’re selfish, then I think it’s far more complicated than that and there’s a lot of various paths by which someone can become libertarian. Were they selfish before they became libertarians, or are they more selfish now than they were before because of the influence of libertarianism? I’d argue it’s very often the latter, but we treat it as though it’s the former.

178 wrenchwench  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:09:58am

re: #176 Eventual Carrion

Morning. Just got out of nice hot tub where I was reading about leptin and insulin hormone reactions/inaction in reference to obesity and type 2 diabetes. Relaxing.

It’s all about the glycemic impact.

And the hot water.

179 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:11:20am

Alright. I need to head up to Harlem and check on the heart health of various people, mostly old. Last time I got to meet someone who’d met James Baldwin, or at least told a convincing story about meeting James Baldwin, which Baldwin would agree was just as good.

180 Stanley Sea  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:13:02am

re: #178 wrenchwench

Did you go to vegas or is that in the future?

181 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:13:54am

re: #179 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Alright. I need to head up to Harlem and check on the heart health of various people, mostly old. Last time I got to meet someone who’d met James Baldwin, or at least told a convincing story about meeting James Baldwin, which Baldwin would agree was just as good.

Good fortune to you and those you care for.

182 wrenchwench  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:13:58am

re: #180 Stanley Sea

Did you go to vegas or is that in the future?

I’m on my way back. I’ll be home this afternoon.

183 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:14:38am

But as a coda to my last point: I met a really nice Jamaican guy in my Sex and Gender class, and we were talking about the homophobia that is just rife and rampant in Jamaica. He said that he always felt it was wrong, but went along with it because he didn’t want to be the one beaten up and singled out. When he moved to NYC, and found that homophobia wasn’t here, he said he was very glad, and he assumed that it would all just fall away from him. However, he found that the habits of homophobia he’d acquired, even though they were survival camouflage that he always felt terrible about, remained, that he had to actively work to divest himself of those habits.

Even if you may hate it in your heart, when you live a system that system comes into you in surprisingly lasting ways. A caution to those who would make deals with the devil, or bigots, or creationists.

And now I’m really gone.

184 Eventual Carrion  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:14:44am

re: #178 wrenchwench

It’s all about the glycemic impact.

Which depends on how receptive they are to the fluxuations (receptors)

IAnd the hot water.

There is always that

185 Stanley Sea  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:17:30am

re: #182 wrenchwench

I’m on my way back. I’ll be home this afternoon.

And?

186 darthstar  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:19:10am
187 Varek Raith  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:21:25am

re: #186 darthstar

[Embedded content]

*Sends PotUS a pair of parachute pants*

188 wrenchwench  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:21:34am

re: #185 Stanley Sea

And?

3 days wandering the trade show. Boxes of catalogs and trinkets. A job offer. I wasn’t looking for a job, though.

Or am I missing the question?

189 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:22:49am

I do a lot of cash handling at my job, this morning I came across a bill that had IMPEACH OBAMA stamped on it…twice.

190 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:23:32am

re: #59 William Barnett-Lewis

I almost snarked. I seriously hope you enjoy it more than I did. I got 3/4 of the way through the first book before throwing it across the room.

“Despicable piece of post modernist fantasy fiction” is the kindest review I’ve ever been able to write.

re: #60 Kragar

I read the first 3 books and can’t find the interest to go any further.

I couldn’t read more than 10 pages. Bleargh.

191 darthstar  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:23:49am

re: #188 wrenchwench

3 days wandering the trade show. Boxes of catalogs and trinkets. A job offer. I wasn’t looking for a job, though.

Or am I missing the question?

Did you win?

192 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:24:26am

re: #188 wrenchwench

Was it a good job or some cruddy commission only low level sales gig?

193 wrenchwench  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:25:06am

re: #191 darthstar

Did you win?

Survival is winning.

(I didn’t gamble at all.)

194 Varek Raith  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:25:56am

re: #193 wrenchwench

Survival is winning.

(I didn’t gamble at all.)

Whut.

195 A Mom Anon  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:25:58am

re: #177 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Ok, sorry. I fucked up. Never mind. Back the truck up. abort the mission.

196 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:27:49am

re: #189 Eclectic Cyborg

I do a lot of cash handling at my job, this morning I came across a bill that had IMPEACH OBAMA stamped on it…twice.

Haters gonna hate.

197 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:28:22am

re: #175 CuriousLurker

I’m curious about something: Seeing as how LGF is also deeply & openly hostile to your party, at least in its current configuration, what justification do you use to reconcile your continued participation here with your party loyalty?

I get the impression that my question is being pointedly ignored. //

198 Varek Raith  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:29:11am

re: #197 CuriousLurker

Are you fully recovered from that medical event a while back?

199 wrenchwench  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:30:14am

re: #192 Eclectic Cyborg

Was it a good job or some cruddy commission only low level sales gig?

He didn’t go into details, but it would be doing all the marketing for an established and successful line of products, so that he could go back to being an engineer and not talk to so many customers. He used to hang out at a shop I managed when he launched his company 20 years ago. I wasn’t all that fond of him, and that’s not really what I want to do or where I want to live…. but it’s still nice to get a job offer before completing the first lap around the show floor.

200 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:30:57am

re: #198 Arrrr, matey!

Are you fully recovered from that medical event a while back?

Yeah, except for my short-term memory being a little spotty. Why—are you getting ready to tell me something that might trigger another episode? //

201 Varek Raith  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:31:59am

re: #200 CuriousLurker

Yeah, except for my short-term memory being a little spotty. Why—are you getting ready to tell me something that might trigger another episode? //

I don’t think so…
:P

Just was curious.
:)

202 Stanley Sea  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:32:54am

re: #188 wrenchwench

3 days wandering the trade show. Boxes of catalogs and trinkets. A job offer. I wasn’t looking for a job, though.

Or am I missing the question?

Nope that’s it. Did u have fun?

203 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:33:45am

re: #201 Arrrr, matey!

I don’t think so…
:P

Just was curious.
:)

Oh, okay. In that case, thanks for your concern. LOL

You had me worried there for a sec… ;)

204 Varek Raith  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:35:44am

Don’t watch, CL.
;)
Youtube Video

205 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:37:40am

re: #204 Arrrr, matey!

Don’t watch, CL.
;)
[Embedded content]

Hahahahahahaha!

206 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:37:55am

re: #197 CuriousLurker

I get the impression that my question is being pointedly ignored. //

Not pointedly, politely.

207 Decatur Deb  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:38:55am

re: #197 CuriousLurker

I get the impression that my question is being pointedly ignored. //

Think of DF as a Republican Albert Schweitzer and the rest of LGF as Gabon.
(Though I have not heard him play the organ.)

208 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:40:15am

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

Not pointedly, politely.

How is not answering polite? It was a sincere question and wasn’t asked in a snarky way, at least not that I’m aware of.

209 wrenchwench  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:40:41am

re: #202 Stanley Sea

Nope that’s it. Did u have fun?

Yes I did. The bike industry is not very big, and I had the chance to hang out with old friends and new. And do a tiny bit of shopping (which there is none of in the home town.)

The drive across Arizona has been spectacular in both directions. The area has gotten decent rainfall for the first time in at least 5 years, and it’s breathtakingly beautiful. When you see a sunrise or sunset, look at the opposite horizon and it has the rays they show on their flag.

Not in those colors, though. More blues and grays, but very striking.

210 wrenchwench  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:42:07am

I bought a camera in LV, so next time I can post photos.

: )

211 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:43:06am

...

212 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:44:36am

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

How does THAT analogy work without being racist?

Wut? *blinks*

213 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:49:51am

re: #212 CuriousLurker

Wut? *blinks*

forget it, not worth the trouble. As for your question, I’d answer: It’s the people here, some of whom I hold in high regard, that keep me here.

214 Carlos Danger  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:50:49am

re: #207 Decatur Deb

I bet he could play a mean organ arrangement of Winchester Cathedral.

215 Varek Raith  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:51:33am

Youtube Video

216 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:51:41am

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

forget it, not worth the trouble. As for your question, I’d answer: It’s the people here, some of whom I hold in high regard, that keep me here.

Okay, so then personal friendship/esteem trumps party loyalty. Interesting.

217 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 8:55:03am

Time to go make some lunch. Later, lizards.

218 wrenchwench  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 9:01:39am

In-room coffee. Upside: coffee sooner, without getting dressed and leaving the room. Downside: significantly reduced incentive to get dressed and leave the room.

Oh, wait. Free breakfast!

brb

219 Varek Raith  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 9:04:51am

Youtube Video

220 Stanley Sea  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 9:06:59am

Gonna start my clam chowder. Got a little cool so its comfort soup time! !

221 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 9:07:09am
222 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 9:08:53am

re: #221 Killgore Trout

[Embedded content]

That’s a breeching charge, a booby trap, or a suicide charge.

223 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 9:12:53am

re: #222 Dark_Falcon

I would guess the first one.

224 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 9:13:12am

re: #222 Dark_Falcon

That’s a breeching charge, a booby trap, or a suicide charge.

It sounds like it was a pretty big explosion so I’m guessing a booby trap.


But I’ve also seen reports that Kenyan military guys entering the mall with RPG’s so it could be that. RPG’s don’t seem like a good choice for an indoor hostage situation but what do I know.

225 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 9:14:34am
226 darthstar  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 9:17:57am
227 darthstar  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 9:19:14am

Something tells me her 75% pay cut isn’t going to be enough for Fox to keep her around long.

228 piratedan  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 9:26:17am

re: #227 darthstar

Something tells me her 75% pay cut isn’t going to be enough for Fox to keep her around long.

well it’s not as if there isn’t a fierce competition for the wingnut dollar, the invisible free hand of the marketplace and all that…..

229 Carlos Danger  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 9:31:20am

By the way, the German election is happening today. Any black red and gold lizards out there?

230 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 9:34:45am

bbc.co.uk

1629: Al-Shabab has said on its new Twitter feed that Kenyan officials were asking the hostage-takers to negotiate and offering incentives.

“We’ll not negotiate with the Kenyan govt as long as its forces are invading our country, so reap the bitter fruits of your harvest,” it said.

Its previous Twitter account was shut down on Saturday.

231 Gus  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 9:35:11am

Looks at Twitter TL. Same old topics. Yawn.

232 Lidane  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 9:37:22am

re: #168 Eventual Carrion

Wonder what the good guys to bad guys ratio needs to be?

I’m also curious how you decide who is a good guy and who’s a bad guy.

Maybe we should get the security company that cleared Snowden and the Navy Yard shooter to tell us.

233 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 9:39:26am

re: #224 Killgore Trout

But I’ve also seen reports that Kenyan military guys entering the mall with RPG’s so it could be that. RPG’s don’t seem like a good choice for an indoor hostage situation but what do I know.

Once there is a presumption of no surviving hostages an RPG is a very interesting weapon in this situation.

234 Carlos Danger  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 9:41:49am

BTW, the first exit polls are showing a romp for the CDU, but the Libertarian FDP is polling less than the minimum 5%!

The anti-EU “Alternative for Germany is polling right at the threshold, and probably not helping them. Seems like Luap Nor style faux-libertarianism is a worldwide trend.

235 wrenchwench  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 9:43:19am

re: #231 Gus

Looks at Twitter TL. Same old topics. Yawn.

Maybe a new follow would help.

236 Gus  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 9:47:25am

re: #235 wrenchwench

Maybe a new follow would help.

New followers is part of the plan. Just can’t keep reading about Chuck Todd and how horrible the GOP is every-single-day. Ever since I stopped drinking I just can’t stand so much negativity day in and day out.

237 A Mom Anon  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 9:47:42am

re: #231 Gus

Weed the garden or put it to sleep. YMMV. Twitter is probably good for photos of cute critters or pretty places, maybe even a household tip or two, but no way in hell could you pay me to use it for politics, news or religious stuff. I’d want to throw myself into oncoming traffic in five minutes.

How goes it otherwise? You getting around ok and stuff?

238 b_sharp  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 9:51:22am

re: #229 Carlos Danger

By the way, the German election is happening today. Any black red and gold lizards out there?

Black and blue.

239 Gus  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 9:51:28am

re: #237 A Mom Anon

Weed the garden or put it to sleep. YMMV. Twitter is probably good for photos of cute critters or pretty places, maybe even a household tip or two, but no way in hell could you pay me to use it for politics, news or religious stuff. I’d want to throw myself into oncoming traffic in five minutes.

How goes it otherwise? You getting around ok and stuff?

Little by little. Leg feels better but last night it was rebelling before I hit the couch. Eating more I guess. Still puffing on the e-cig with a low-nicotine cartridge. Had some coffee (with milk) and a banana. Kind of pooped right now. Not drinking is the easy part.

240 wrenchwench  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 9:55:54am

re: #236 Gus

New followers is part of the plan. Just can’t keep reading about Chuck Todd and how horrible the GOP is every-single-day. Ever since I stopped drinking I just can’t stand so much negativity day in and day out.

Here’s some not-too-negative snark.

241 Stanley Sea  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 10:04:32am

re: #236 Gus

New followers is part of the plan. Just can’t keep reading about Chuck Todd and how horrible the GOP is every-single-day. Ever since I stopped drinking I just can’t stand so much negativity day in and day out.

I spice my timeline up w/sports.

242 Zombie Mutt  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 10:11:54am

Hope you feel better Gus.


OT. Fox News.

Reality.

243 A Mom Anon  Sun, Sep 22, 2013 10:45:07am

re: #242 nines09

Anyone who expects the changes to not require some retooling and shuffling around, and yes, maybe some job losses as things become more efficient is an idiot. My guess is though that at least some of those jobs will either pop up somewhere else, or those people in the healthcare industry will do some retraining or update their skills and find new jobs as this thing goes along. It sucks to lose a job, our household has been through several since the economy took a poop, but it’s also a reality that this is going to happen in any industry that’s in such need of changes. It’s not as simple as all this, I know that. There are many factors in play, but I have lots of hope that all the flaws can be fixed and tweaked along the way.

If a manufacturing company modernizes and gets rid of redundancies in it’s systems, there are cutbacks and job losses. It’s what The Job Creators do,right? I don’t hear a lot of bitching about that in right wing”news” circles.


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