More Innocent Torture Victims Suddenly Become Jihad Warriors

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More freed Guantanamo detainees return to terrorism.

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — Eleven Saudis who were released from Guant�namo Bay, Cuba, and then passed through a Saudi rehabilitation program for former jihadists are now believed to have fled the country and joined terrorist groups abroad, Saudi officials said Tuesday.

The 11 former detainees include two who were already identified last month as members of a Yemeni terrorist group. Their names were on a list of 85 wanted terrorism suspects made public Tuesday by the Saudi Interior Ministry.

The announcement further underscored the difficulties faced by the Obama administration as it prepares to close the Guant�namo detention center. All told, 14 Saudis now appear to have rejoined terrorist groups after their return from Guant�namo, including the 11 living abroad and 3 who were rearrested in Saudi Arabia after their return.

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180 comments

1 VegasRick  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:30:21am

Shocking!

2 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:30:23am

Avanti... what do you think of this report. Some more Neocon propaganda?

3 Mithrax  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:30:33am

I know, let's give them a state!

4 Kragar  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:30:34am

WOW! Good thing we're closing Gitmo before it can convert any more innocent civilians into terrorists!

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5 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:30:48am

CHANGE!

/ugh

6 MJ  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:31:03am

Is the NYT preparing the ground to allow Obama to change his mind on closing Gitmo?

7 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:31:11am
8 notutopia  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:31:13am

Obama, let's close Gitmo....
Turn them out right back into the Jihadi pasture.
Asshole.

9 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:31:24am

Stimulus package for detainees.

10 Bumr50  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:31:35am

"Because GOOD is DUMB." - Dark Helmet

11 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:32:26am
and then passed through a Saudi rehabilitation program for former jihadists

Is this program intended to remove the 'former' from their title?

12 joncelli  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:32:45am

They only became terrorists again because they were tortured!

/Moonbat logic

13 MJ  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:32:48am

re: #7 buzzsawmonkey

Outpatient programs never work.

Those 12 Step programs for quitting terrorism can be murder to complete.

14 redstateredneck  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:33:07am
Saudi rehabilitation program for former jihadists


Twelve step program?

15 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:33:51am

As has been said before, and will be said many times in the next four years:

We are so fucked.

16 Bumr50  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:34:07am

re: #14 redstateredneck

Step 5. Make a list of infidels that you have previously felt compassion for and make "a mess" of them.

17 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:34:08am
18 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:34:18am

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WOW! Good thing we're closing Gitmo before it can convert any more innocent civilians into terrorists!

/////

And to think that these are the ones that we considered to be not as threatening to US national security as those that we still hold at Gitmo.

19 jorline  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:34:24am

They always find their way home. Zebras can't change their stripes.

20 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:34:41am

re: #14 redstateredneck

Twelve step program?

Twelve imam program.

21 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:35:04am
22 Bumr50  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:35:14am

They're just misunderstood and ignorant. - The One (2008)

23 Kragar  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:35:16am

NON-uniformed enemy combatants, when captured should be interrogated then shot. End of Story.

24 soxfan4life  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:35:23am

re: #11 Ford_Prefect

Is this program intended to remove the 'former' from their title?

Is there any such thing as a former jihadist?

25 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:35:32am

In the name of the conservative soul - we must do whatever Andrew Sullivan feels is right.

26 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:35:48am

Charles, not to nitpick, but this thread should have immediately followed the Cheney thread. Kinda related, don't ya' think?

27 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:36:01am
"a Saudi rehabilitation program for former jihadists"

Heh.

Sounds like satire.

28 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:36:13am
The announcement further underscored the difficulties faced by the Obama administration as it prepares to close the Guantánamo detention center.

The nyt has been infiltrated by right-wing, racist, propaganda artists. It's the only explanation as to why they'd try to undermine the president like this! The damn filthy traitors!

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29 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:36:16am
30 ak47pundit  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:36:28am

Wow, who would ever have thought that might happen?

Expecting leftists claims of the Guantanamo experience driving these poor innocents into a life of terrorism in 5...4...3...2...1....

31 brookly red  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:36:36am

re: #6 MJ

Is the NYT preparing the ground to allow Obama to change his mind on closing Gitmo?

could very well be...

32 Bumr50  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:36:47am

2009 is shaping up to be a very bad year.

33 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:36:54am

re: #27 Ringo the Gringo

Heh.

Sounds like satire.

No- there was a video of one. They sit around and paint pictures.

34 BatGuano  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:36:57am

re: #24 soxfan4life

A dead Jihadist

35 uncle_monkey  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:37:02am

Recidivism: It's not just for Democrats.

36 phoenixgirl  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:37:21am

mr. president, you are wanted in the situation room............

37 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:37:21am

re: #17 Diamond Bullet

I don't think Charles is going to like your remark.

Comments that advocate violence will be cause for immediate banning with no appeal.

Just my opinion.

38 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:37:23am

re: #22 Bumr50

They're just misunderstood and ignorant. - The One (2008)

"Failure of empathy."

39 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:37:33am
40 soxfan4life  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:37:42am

re: #32 Bumr50

2009 is shaping up to be a very bad year.

Well with the start it was given on Jan 20 how could it be anything but a bad year?

41 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:37:47am

Sorry to go OT so soon, but this is vital:

Vatican: Holocaust denier must recant

"Bishop Williamson, in order to be admitted to episcopal functions within the church, will have to take his distance, in an absolutely unequivocal and public fashion, from his position on the Shoah, which the Holy Father was not aware of when the excommunication was lifted," the statement said. The Shoah is the Hebrew term for the Holocaust.

Jewish groups welcomed the Vatican statement, saying it satisfied their key demand.

Unequivocal and public recantation. Can you feel Williamson squirming and worming? It's going to be interesting to watch.

42 brookly red  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:38:02am

re: #24 soxfan4life

Is there any such thing as a former jihadist?

sure, they are kinda like "good communists" /

43 joncelli  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:38:15am

re: #25 FrogMarch

Will he at least buy me dinner first?

44 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:38:16am

re: #33 Sharmuta

No- there was a video of one. They sit around and paint pictures.

Apparently the success rate of de-radicalization via artistic expression is poor.

Imagine that.

45 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:38:33am

re: #25 FrogMarch

In the name of the conservative soul - we must do whatever Andrew Sullivan feels is right.

Andrew Sullivan can go blow.

46 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:38:35am

The jihad must go on.

47 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:38:43am
Saudi rehabilitation program for former jihadists


believed to have fled the country and joined terrorist groups abroad


It worked, you see. The Saudis don't mind if the jihadists carry out attacks on the Western infidels, as long as they don't threaten the sheiks and their money.

48 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:38:58am

re: #39 J-LLatPoH

Look, there is a simple rule here...

Comments that advocate violence will be cause for immediate banning with no appeal.

We don't want this blog looking like Kos or DU.

Please

49 MJ  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:39:04am

re: #20 Honorary Yooper

Twelve imam program.

The 12th Iman is a real problem:

[Link: wsu.edu...]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

50 redstateredneck  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:39:08am

Jeeze, Louise...if this is the same rehab program no fricken wonder it didn't work.

51 phoenixgirl  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:39:25am

apparently in the Chris Wallace interview, he admitted to being surprised at how every decision he makes as president affects peoples lives............

52 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:40:12am

Have the Obots considered that if we are attacked by a former Gitmo prisoner that has been released during Obama's reign - Democrats are done/

Democrats don't know how to protect communities - look at Chicago, nor win wars.

53 Bumr50  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:40:22am

re: #40 soxfan4life

We could NOT spend a trillion dollars on big government programs and pork.

54 albusteve  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:40:30am

gives 'recycling' a whole new meaning....now they are a new and improved version of themselves

55 jcm  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:40:31am

Closing Gitmo is a BRILLANT move!

Follow me on this one.....
Gitmo guest gets release back to the wild.
Next time our troops sight one, they'll know the policy is catch and release.
So......
Or guys just won't catch any more.....
If you know what I mean.

/only semi sarc.

56 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:40:33am

re: #51 phoenixgirl

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

57 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:40:41am

I've read about the Saudi rehab program. It's pretty much Club Fed, arabian-style. It's about as cushy a billet as anyone could ask for, and still be in a medieval, theocratic police state hellhole. To leave it and return to the terrorist biz signifies a bone-deep love of killing. Read and heed, current administration.

58 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:40:49am

re: #37 Walter L. Newton

I don't think Charles is going to like your remark.

Just my opinion.

My understanding is that posts suggesting execution of terrorists are OK; I've posted some of those. (Samir Kuntar, report for head bashing.)

But posts supporting violence of others, no matter how slimy, are not allowed.

59 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:41:04am

re: #17 Diamond Bullet

Looks like we have another comment 17 that should not be talked about.

60 El Supremo  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:41:05am

If one released terrorist kills one American citizen anywhere in the wold, the chosen one will end up like Jimmy. Sitting in the oval office in a sweater waiting for his replacement to throw him out. The MSM will not be able to provide cover for him.

61 Kragar  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:41:12am

re: #18 lawhawk

And to think that these are the ones that we considered to be not as threatening to US national security as those that we still hold at Gitmo.

There is only one reasonable way to deal with those still at Gitmo.

[Link: www.dailymotion.com...]

62 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:41:15am

re: #49 MJ

The 12th Iman is a real problem:

[Link: wsu.edu...]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

That's why I used it in the comment (#20). The Short Shit in Iran is a Twelver Shia, and he sincerely believes this stuff. Wouldn't be beyond them to reuse some of these jihadis for their own purposes.

63 ThinkRight  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:41:21am

Right Wing Propaganda
Just pushing more of the evil Bush's war mongering mantra
You should all get a life and start Hopen & Changin
/

64 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:41:39am

re: #48 Walter L. Newton

Look, there is a simple rule here...

We don't want this blog looking like Kos or DU.

Please

I think this is calling for a battle tactic while in the field with hostiles.

65 Bumr50  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:41:42am

re: #52 DistantThunder

Obots don't think ahead, they just have reflexive and defensive reactions to things that appear to threaten their insular existence.

66 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:41:50am

re: #47 Kosh's Shadow

It worked, you see. The Saudis don't mind if the jihadists carry out attacks on the Western infidels, as long as they don't threaten the sheiks and their money.

Pretty much.

67 subsailor68  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:42:06am

Sigh, eleven more.

Do any of the lizards here have a running total on the number of Gitmo detainees released who have gone back to the battlefield/jihad - including our latest eleven? And what percentage of the total released they represent?

68 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:42:16am

re: #57 Pullus Iulius

I've read about the Saudi rehab program. It's pretty much Club Fed, arabian-style. It's about as cushy a billet as anyone could ask for, and still be in a medieval, theocratic police state hellhole. To leave it and return to the terrorist biz signifies a bone-deep love of killing. Read and heed, current administration.

Do they have a reality TV show on it on Al Jazeera, kind of like "Celebrity Rehab House"? Sounds like it might be popular.

69 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:42:18am
70 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:42:21am

re: #60 El Supremo

If one released terrorist kills one American citizen anywhere in the wold, the chosen one will end up like Jimmy. Sitting in the oval office in a sweater waiting for his replacement to throw him out. The MSM will not be able to provide cover for him.

What? Are you saying he should be worried?

71 phoenixgirl  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:42:48am

i'm picturing his moment of change........they hate us! THEY REALLY HATE US!

72 Kragar  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:42:49am

re: #66 Sharmuta

Pretty much.

Every idiot they can deflect to kill Westerners is one less they have to worry about attacking them.

73 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:42:54am

re: #58 Kosh's Shadow

My understanding is that posts suggesting execution of terrorists are OK; I've posted some of those. (Samir Kuntar, report for head bashing.)

But posts supporting violence of others, no matter how slimy, are not allowed.

And I'm under the impression that comments about the wholesale slaughter of any group of people is not right. But I may be wrong. But I'm not going to just let it slide and then we find out someone is using it against Charles. I'd rather be wrong and told so than to see poop being thrown back in our face.

74 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:42:54am

re: #67 subsailor68

Sigh, eleven more.

Do any of the lizards here have a running total on the number of Gitmo detainees released who have gone back to the battlefield/jihad - including our latest eleven? And what percentage of the total released they represent?

It was 61 and it was like 8%.

75 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:42:57am
76 Salamantis  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:43:09am

Why should anyone believe that committed jihadis who try to injure their detainers while in Guantanamo and who desire to impose a global caliphate will change their mujaheddin mindset when run through a 'rehab' program run by, of all people, the Saudis, who rule a monarchial theocratic state in complete compliance with sharia law?

77 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:43:15am

re: #67 subsailor68

Sigh, eleven more.

Do any of the lizards here have a running total on the number of Gitmo detainees released who have gone back to the battlefield/jihad - including our latest eleven? And what percentage of the total released they represent?

100% ?

78 jcm  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:43:19am

re: #70 debutaunt

What? Are you saying he should be worried?

You catch the Mutt Lauer interview?

Mutt was worried about how The One would look if that happened, not about any victims.

79 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:43:32am

But did the Saudi rehabilitation program facilitators ask the young men to unclench their fists? ...'cause that would have worked.

80 Liechtentrager  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:43:37am

re: #11 Ford_Prefect

It's similar to a drug rehabilitation program run by the Cali Cartel.

81 albusteve  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:43:43am

re: #64 DistantThunder

I think this is calling for a battle tactic while in the field with hostiles.

that's my take and heartily agree...life and death and survival is what we're talkin about here

82 Desert Dog  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:43:46am

re: #52 DistantThunder

Have the Obots considered that if we are attacked by a former Gitmo prisoner that has been released during Obama's reign - Democrats are done/

Democrats don't know how to protect communities - look at Chicago, nor win wars.

Well, if the Evil and Rotten President Bush did not lock up, torture and torment the poor soul in the first place, he would not have turned to his really bad Jihadi ways.
/

So, as you can see, even if Obama lets them all go, it will still be Bush's fault!

83 subsailor68  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:44:13am

re: #74 DistantThunder

It was 61 and it was like 8%.

Thanks!

84 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:44:17am
85 Westward Ho  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:44:21am

IMHO the Bush adminstration also needs to be blamed for not developing some legal infrastructure to handle these anomalous cases despite having ample time on their hands. Atleast the people involved in the 911 attacks should have been tried by a military court and executed by now.

86 notutopia  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:44:41am

re: #55 jcm

Closing Gitmo is a BRILLANT move!

Follow me on this one.....
Gitmo guest gets release back to the wild.
Next time our troops sight one, they'll know the policy is catch and release.
So......
Or guys just won't catch any more.....
If you know what I mean.

/only semi sarc.


It is semi sarc. The other semi part is reality. This happens now with our civilian law enforcement officers.
When you've arrested a perp 10 times and he/she ends back on the streets, d/t technicalities or no sentencing. What impetus is it to continue arresting them?
Sick, but a fact.

87 Bumr50  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:45:09am

re: #79 Kenneth

So the grenade that they were holding could explode?

88 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:45:20am

re: #2 Walter L. Newton

Avanti... what do you think of this report. Some more Neocon propaganda?

Walter, I owe you an apology. Avanti is a RINO at best, and a troll at worst. I was wrong to have doubted you, sir. And now I must run, work calls.

89 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:45:23am

re: #84 buzzsawmonkey

So, when does the Hollywood film of "Osama's 11" come out?

Better question, who would it star?

90 subsailor68  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:45:29am

re: #77 debutaunt

100% ?

You know, you may be closer than you think - what if the others (or some of them at least) just haven't been discovered/identified yet?

91 redstateredneck  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:45:29am

re: #79 Kenneth

But did the Saudi rehabilitation program facilitators ask the young men to unclench their fists? ...'cause that would have worked.

Only long enough to grasp their crayon for the art therapy session.

92 Kragar  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:45:38am

re: #39 J-LLatPoH

Sincerely hoping that the ones that our troops catch will wind up mysteriously shot dead before detained.

No need for mystery. NON-uniformed enemy combatants have no protection under international law. They should be taken, interrogated, and if found to have been actual combatants, then shot.

93 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:45:49am

re: #14 redstateredneck

Twelve step program?

That, plus the jihad patch & jihad gum, can do wonders!

94 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:45:50am

re: #78 jcm

You catch the Mutt Lauer interview?

Mutt was worried about how The One would look if that happened, not about any victims.

Thanks for doing the dirty work for us. That sounds like a typical reason.

95 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:45:57am

re: #16 Bumr50

Step 5. Make a list of infidels that you have previously felt compassion for and make "a mess" of them.

Which step do they jump through the flaming hoop?

96 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:46:18am

re: #76 Salamantis

Why should anyone believe that committed jihadis who try to injure their detainers while in Guantanamo and who desire to impose a global caliphate will change their mujaheddin mindset when run through a 'rehab' program run by, of all people, the Saudis, who rule a monarchial theocratic state in complete compliance with sharia law?

But they let them paint pretty and shari'a compliant art!

97 soxfan4life  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:46:30am

re: #84 buzzsawmonkey

So, when does the Hollywood film of "Osama's 11" come out?

Once George Clooney and the rest of the band of assholes finish the script about the courageous freedom fighters, and once they get word from the President who he wants to portray him.

98 Bumr50  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:46:43am

re: #85 Westward Ho

Perhaps. But they were faced with an unprecedented situation in American history.
I think that while they should share some criticism, their efforts, on this front at least , should be lauded more than condemned.

99 jcm  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:47:46am

re: #86 notutopia

It is semi sarc. The other semi part is reality. This happens now with our civilian law enforcement officers.
When you've arrested a perp 10 times and he/she ends back on the streets, d/t technicalities or no sentencing. What impetus is it to continue arresting them?
Sick, but a fact.

What happens 'round here (Seattle) is the cops become reactive not proactive, just wait till something goes down. The other factor is certain community leaders will protest every arrest within their community as "racist" and the Chief and City Clowncil don't back up the cops.

The result is reactive policing.

100 eon  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:48:00am

re: #41 Cato the Elder

Sorry to go OT so soon, but this is vital:

Vatican: Holocaust denier must recant

Unequivocal and public recantation. Can you feel Williamson squirming and worming? It's going to be interesting to watch.

About. Time.

cheers (To the Vatican)

eon

101 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:48:02am

re: #89 Honorary Yooper

Better question, who would it star?

George Clooney as Osama 'bin chillin' Laden and Matt Damon as Ayman 'Bumpy' Zawahiri

102 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:48:03am

re: #73 Walter L. Newton

And I'm under the impression that comments about the wholesale slaughter of any group of people is not right. But I may be wrong. But I'm not going to just let it slide and then we find out someone is using it against Charles. I'd rather be wrong and told so than to see poop being thrown back in our face.

Maybe we read the post differently; I took it to mean that instead of locking up terrorists we should kill them, which is not exactly wholesale slaughter. Or I hope not; I hope there aren't that many jihadists out there.

103 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:48:11am
104 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:48:53am

re: #99 jcm

What happens 'round here (Seattle) is the cops become reactive not proactive, just wait till something goes down. The other factor is certain community leaders will protest every arrest within their community as "racist" and the Chief and City Clowncil don't back up the cops.

The result is reactive policing.

And dangerous neighborhoods of certain ethnic persuasions - because that where the majority of the complaints arise.

105 zelnaga  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:48:54am

Has Obama actually released anyone from Gitmo, yet? I thought it was all still in the planning stages.

That said, it does seem possible that even an innocent person held at Gitmo would turn to terrorism, afterwards. Of course, if an innocent person did turn to terrorism, after Gitmo, that kinda begs the question... why don't people falsely accused of murder, in the United States, murder people, afterwards? It seems to me that most of them would just be glad that there out, yet for Gitmo, it seems like most will probably turn to terrorism, and I don't understand why. Prejudice, on my part, perhaps, but it seems like the social dynamics are what's, ultimately, to blame. I'm not sure what, specifically, about them, is different.

106 doppelganglander  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:49:12am

re: #68 Kosh's Shadow

Do they have a reality TV show on it on Al Jazeera, kind of like "Celebrity Rehab House"? Sounds like it might be popular.

They call it "I'm a Terrorist, Get Me Out of Here."

107 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:49:18am

re: #92 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Don't quote violence comments, he's deleted.

108 jcm  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:49:19am

re: #94 debutaunt

Thanks for doing the dirty work for us. That sounds like a typical reason.

MATT LAUER: — center at Guantanamo within a year. So the clock is ticking. And already you've heard the criticism that you don't know what you're gonna do with the 245 prisoners being held there.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: It's the right thing to do. It ultimately will make us safer. You've already seen in the reaction around the world — a different sense of America by us taking this action.

MATT LAUER: Some of these people may be released, the ones that seem —

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Yeah.

MATT LAUER: — to be less of a threat. But if one of those people that's released goes back and takes part in the planning of or carrying out of an attack against U.S. interests, you're gonna have a Willie Horton times 100 situation on your hands. How are you gonna deal with that?

109 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:49:19am

re: #84 buzzsawmonkey

So, when does the Hollywood film of "Osama's 11" come out?

After George Clooney makes his film about the lawyers who defended bin Laden's driver.

110 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:50:27am

re: #105 zelnaga

Has Obama actually released anyone from Gitmo, yet? I thought it was all still in the planning stages.

That said, it does seem possible that even an innocent person held at Gitmo would turn to terrorism, afterwards. Of course, if an innocent person did turn to terrorism, after Gitmo, that kinda begs the question... why don't people falsely accused of murder, in the United States, murder people, afterwards? It seems to me that most of them would just be glad that there out, yet for Gitmo, it seems like most will probably turn to terrorism, and I don't understand why. Prejudice, on my part, perhaps, but it seems like the social dynamics are what's, ultimately, to blame. I'm not sure what, specifically, about them, is different.

I'm praying that some Republican uses obama's attempt to stop the trial of the USS Cole mass murderer in a campaign ad.

111 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:50:54am
112 doppelganglander  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:50:56am

re: #99 jcm

What happens 'round here (Seattle) is the cops become reactive not proactive, just wait till something goes down. The other factor is certain community leaders will protest every arrest within their community as "racist" and the Chief and City Clowncil don't back up the cops.

The result is reactive policing.

You've got to wonder about the intelligence and sanity of people who complain when the police try to remove criminals from their midst.

113 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:50:59am

I was born a couple of millennia too late cause most of the thoughts I'm having are pretty Roman......

114 Throbert McGee  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:51:09am

re: #11 Ford_Prefect

and then passed through a Saudi rehabilitation program for former jihadists

Is this program intended to remove the 'former' from their title?

As soon as I read "Saudi rehab program for former jihadists," I started humming that Powerhouse music from the old Warner Bros. cartoons.

Dr. Seuss's The Sneetches also comes to mind -- specifically the scene in which the Sneetches emerge from the Star-Putting-On machine and then immediately queue up to enter the Star-Taking-Off machine...

115 notutopia  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:51:26am

re: #99 jcm

What happens 'round here (Seattle) is the cops become reactive not proactive, just wait till something goes down. The other factor is certain community leaders will protest every arrest within their community as "racist" and the Chief and City Clowncil don't back up the cops.

The result is reactive policing.


The end result, either way the officers are an endangered species for scum. They'll either lose their jobs or lose their life to this scum.

116 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:51:32am

re: #89 Honorary Yooper

Better question, who would it star?

Lots of Hollyweird celebrities would kill for the chance, as long as it was anti-Bush

117 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:51:35am

re: #105 zelnaga

The rpobelm with nice liberal social theories is that they are allergic to facts... Like the fact that all the people who took up terrorism after being relased from Gitmo were activley involved in terrorism before they were captured.

118 J-LLatPoH  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:51:37am

re: #48 Walter L. Newton

From Alien "What the hell are we supposed to use man? Harsh language?"

We're not talking about innocents here. We're talking about groups of people bent on the destruction of western civilization, including the conversion or destruction of everyone I know and love. Forgive me for not wanting that to happen.

Hardly Kos. They say that kind of thing about our former president. I - however - wouldn't stoop that low.

J

119 Desert Dog  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:52:03am

re: #85 Westward Ho

IMHO the Bush adminstration also needs to be blamed for not developing some legal infrastructure to handle these anomalous cases despite having ample time on their hands. Atleast the people involved in the 911 attacks should have been tried by a military court and executed by now.

That delay is curious. I know the Dems and "world opinion" stood in the way for some of the military tribunals they wanted to start. Leaving this mess for Obama was a mistake. Bush had years to do something and should have set up some kind of system. Now that Obama is in charge, you can bet these scumbags will get more protections than US citizens if they even make it to a trial, or even worse, just flat out let go.

120 Westward Ho  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:52:09am

re: #98 Bumr50

Fair enough, Perhaps they were smart enough to see what a legal nightmare this would turn out to be.

121 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:52:21am

re: #108 jcm

MATT LAUER: — center at Guantanamo within a year. So the clock is ticking. And already you've heard the criticism that you don't know what you're gonna do with the 245 prisoners being held there.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: It's the right thing to do. It ultimately will make us safer. You've already seen in the reaction around the world — a different sense of America by us taking this action.

MATT LAUER: Some of these people may be released, the ones that seem —

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Yeah.

MATT LAUER: — to be less of a threat. But if one of those people that's released goes back and takes part in the planning of or carrying out of an attack against U.S. interests, you're gonna have a Willie Horton times 100 situation on your hands. How are you gonna deal with that?

Ha. Ha. Ha. Obama likes to be adored by the world. But average people don't like to be blown up or inflected by bio weapons, or have their dearest ones murdered on a battlefield by a released Gitmo terrorist. If Matt's worried.....

122 jcm  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:52:40am

re: #104 DistantThunder

And dangerous neighborhoods of certain ethnic persuasions - because that where the majority of the complaints arise.

Police involved shootings in Seattle are rare. But over the past dozen years every time a minority is involved there is a huge outcry. Every single one has been justified. Mary Mapes of Rathgate fame was involved in the publicity on one, she knowingly pushed a story that she knew was false to discredit the cops.

123 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:53:30am

re: #112 doppelganglander

You've got to wonder about the intelligence and sanity of people who complain when the police try to remove criminals from their midst.

Uhhh, usually they complain because the criminals are not too different than the complainers - maybe just more overt - but sharing the same hatred of "the man."

124 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:53:34am

re: #118 J-LLatPoH

If you check above, Charles has deleted your comment. I really don't care what you WANT to do or say, there are a few rules here. Follow them or Charles will probably delete your account next.

125 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:54:15am
126 El Supremo  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:54:55am

re: #105 zelnaga

Has Obama actually released anyone from Gitmo, yet? I thought it was all still in the planning stages.

That said, it does seem possible that even an innocent person held at Gitmo would turn to terrorism, afterwards. Of course, if an innocent person did turn to terrorism, after Gitmo, that kinda begs the question... why don't people falsely accused of murder, in the United States, murder people, afterwards? It seems to me that most of them would just be glad that there out, yet for Gitmo, it seems like most will probably turn to terrorism, and I don't understand why. Prejudice, on my part, perhaps, but it seems like the social dynamics are what's, ultimately, to blame. I'm not sure what, specifically, about them, is different.


John Bolton said "When you deal with people who desire life in the hereafter more than life on earth, traditional means of deterence will not work."

127 Westward Ho  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:55:00am

re: #119 Desert Dog

The delay is inexplicable, a couple of trials and executions would have set the legal precedent for handling Jihadists.

128 jcm  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:55:10am

re: #112 doppelganglander

You've got to wonder about the intelligence and sanity of people who complain when the police try to remove criminals from their midst.

When the world view is that the oppressive society they live in is the root cause of crime, arresting the miscreants is just another form and continuation of the oppression.

129 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:55:26am

re: #122 jcm

Police involved shootings in Seattle are rare. But over the past dozen years every time a minority is involved there is a huge outcry. Every single one has been justified. Mary Mapes of Rathgate fame was involved in the publicity on one, she knowingly pushed a story that she knew was false to discredit the cops.

We need to use the L-word more upfront and call people Liars when they are lying. I'm proud of the 200 Economists who essentially called Obama a liar in print.

Obama: Economists agree.....
Economists: We respectfully disagree with your statement, Liar.

130 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:55:33am

re: #113 LGoPs

I was born a couple of millennia too late cause most of the thoughts I'm having are pretty Roman......

Cwucify them, centuwion!
/Pontius Piwate, from Life of Brian

131 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:56:01am

re: #24 soxfan4life

Is there any such thing as a former jihadist?

Yeah, these guys call those guys shahid.

132 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:56:23am

re: #126 El Supremo

John Bolton said "When you deal with people who desire life in the hereafter more than life on earth, traditional means of deterence will not work."

Duh. But notice that their leaders like Osama just don't offer themselves up for martyrdom.

133 redstateredneck  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:56:45am

re: #105 zelnaga

Has Obama actually released anyone from Gitmo, yet? I thought it was all still in the planning stages.

That said, it does seem possible that even an innocent person held at Gitmo would turn to terrorism, afterwards. Of course, if an innocent person did turn to terrorism, after Gitmo, that kinda begs the question... why don't people falsely accused of murder, in the United States, murder people, afterwards? It seems to me that most of them would just be glad that there out, yet for Gitmo, it seems like most will probably turn to terrorism, and I don't understand why. Prejudice, on my part, perhaps, but it seems like the social dynamics are what's, ultimately, to blame. I'm not sure what, specifically, about them, is different.

Maybe there are no innocent persons held at Gitmo.

134 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:57:12am

I'll take What The Fuck Was He Thinking for $2000

135 redstateredneck  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:58:53am

Lunch!

136 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:58:58am

re: #132 DistantThunder

Duh. But notice that their leaders like Osama just don't offer themselves up for martyrdom.

No, he's going to end up with a lot of us martyred if he thinks his talk will actually work.

137 Elcid  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:00:12am
138 MarineGrunt  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:00:19am

Release them all, let them rejoin their former outfits, and allow our Military to redo their capture their way.

139 Moonbat Serenade  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:00:21am

They are all laughing in their beards as they plant a new IED. How many more examples of this is the current administration going to need before they realize it is the wrong decision ?

140 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:00:33am

re: #130 Kosh's Shadow

Cwucify them, centuwion!
/Pontius Piwate, from Life of Brian

Or at the very least "thwow them to the flow vewy, vewy hawd........"

141 El Supremo  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:01:42am

re: #133 redstateredneck

Maybe there are no innocent persons held at Gitmo.


My son has dealt with Gitmo detainees. Without getting into specifics, you are correct. There are no innocents there. They are the worst of the worst.

142 yma o hyd  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:02:27am

re: #121 DistantThunder

Just one footnote:

'Its the right thing to do' was one of the favourite sayings of Tony Blair, especially when he was preparing something which later turned out into an even bigger mess than people predicted ... so watch out!

143 J-LLatPoH  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:02:45am

re: #124 Walter L. Newton

Very well. Time to lay down and let 'em win.

144 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:03:57am
145 doppelganglander  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:04:09am

re: #128 jcm

When the world view is that the oppressive society they live in is the root cause of crime, arresting the miscreants is just another form and continuation of the oppression.

I guess I'm just not progressive enough to contort my mind into such a bass-ackwards mode of thinking. I also can't imagine why some people would rather feel like powerless victims of forces greater than themselves than take control of whatever aspects of their life that they can.

146 J-LLatPoH  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:04:58am

re: #144 Sully33

Oops, careful... We must follow the rules.

147 doppelganglander  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:05:33am

re: #141 El Supremo

My son has dealt with Gitmo detainees. Without getting into specifics, you are correct. There are no innocents there. They are the worst of the worst.

Please thank your son for his service. I can only imagine what it was like for him.

148 Throbert McGee  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:08:36am

re: #41 Cato the Elder

Sorry to go OT so soon, but this is vital:

Vatican: Holocaust denier must recant

Unequivocal and public recantation. Can you feel Williamson squirming and worming? It's going to be interesting to watch.

Don't hold your breath, Cato. True, the Vatican said that he'd have to recant his Holocaust denial before he could possibly be reinstated as a bishop with the full powers of the office.

However, all clergy in the SSPX are currently suspended from their normal functions as priests or bishops -- for reasons having nothing at all to do with Holocaust denial, except in Williamson's case, but rather because of their "schismatic" views on other matters. Thus, for Williamson to be reinstated as a bishop, he'd have to recant all the "schismatic" stuff along with recanting the Holocaust denial.

On the other hand, if Williamson remains an SSPX loyalist and unrepentant about the broader issues of the "schism," then he's going to remain under suspension anyway -- so why should he be in any hurry to publicly change his views on the Shoah?

149 El Supremo  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:08:59am

re: #147 doppelganglander

My son lurks here and at Free Republic where I also post. He is always appreciative of the nice comments left by people like yourself. Sempre Fi

150 El Supremo  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:10:55am

re: #149 El Supremo

Oh my goodness Sempre ........... typing is not my forte.

151 mattm  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:17:02am

The Messiah was not available for comment as he was sick of the White House and his job.

152 jcm  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:17:11am

re: #145 doppelganglander

I guess I'm just not progressive enough to contort my mind into such a bass-ackwards mode of thinking. I also can't imagine why some people would rather feel like powerless victims of forces greater than themselves than take control of whatever aspects of their life that they can.

I live in the middle of it.... it rubs off....
I go to the shooting range to recalibrate!

153 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:22:26am

re: #45 Honorary Yooper

Andrew Sullivan can go blow.

Yes, he can. His bad-faith KOS-like adoration of Obama and his war on torture are beyond tired and ridiculous.

154 Omega3  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:22:44am

"What's with all this foreign policy crap? It's distracting me from redistributing wealth!" - Chief O

155 Omega3  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:24:32am

"While these guys are out jihadiing, I'm making sure that their daughters aren't punished by a baby!" - Chief O

156 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:25:17am

re: #143 J-LLatPoH

Very well. Time to lay down and let 'em win.

No asshole, time to grow up and follow the rules. When you are in someone's else's house, you follow their rules. If you don't like it, don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

How the fuck old are you?

157 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:27:24am

re: #33 Sharmuta

No- there was a video of one. They sit around and paint pictures.

I saw that report last week, sitting around a table with crayons as the class instructor advised them to:

"Get that aggression onto that paper!"

I was laughing so hard, I almost took my self out with a can of Coke.

158 Omega3  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:33:26am

"I'm a Muslim. And I'm releasing them back into the wild. So these Islamiis are going to be pretty conflicted about chopping me." - Chief O

159 J-LLatPoH  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:38:09am

em>re: #156 Walter L. Newton

Strike a nerve, did I? Who's got an issue now?

You didn't notice that I am now complying? I thank you for your repeated parroting of the rules. Not so much for the "asshole" comment though.

If Charles wants to delete my comments, that's ok. It is his house. He's doing just fine moderating comments without your help.

I think it's funny though that the rules don't apply to your lovely choice of words to someone who doesn't want to blow you or your family up.

160 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:40:48am

re: #108 jcm

Willie Horton x 100. Lauer is quite the math genius. How many times Horton was 911?

161 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:41:36am

re: #159 J-LLatPoH

em>re: #156 Walter L. Newton

Strike a nerve, did I? Who's got an issue now?

You didn't notice that I am now complying? I thank you for your repeated parroting of the rules. Not so much for the "asshole" comment though.

If Charles wants to delete my comments, that's ok. It is his house. He's doing just fine moderating comments without your help.

I think it's funny though that the rules don't apply to your lovely choice of words to someone who doesn't want to blow you or your family up.

It's his house and we all help moderate, whether you like it or not. That's what the plus and minus and report buttons are for.

Play nicely.

162 Omega3  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:43:34am

re: #161 Walter L. Newton

"c'mon boys unclench those fists" -Chief O

163 J-LLatPoH  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:47:05am

re: #161 Walter L. Newton

Point taken.

164 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:48:02am

re: #146 J-LLatPoH

Oops, careful... We must follow the rules.

That's right. You must follow the rules. If I have to delete any more comments advocating violence, I'll just start blocking accounts.

165 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:49:00am

re: #143 J-LLatPoH

Very well. Time to lay down and let 'em win.

Please read the rules.

166 J-LLatPoH  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:54:16am

re: #164 Charles

I'll keep to that rule. My apologies for taking time out of your day for this.

However, do comments #138 and #144 have the same problem? If they don't, please delete my account, and I'll humbly walk away.

167 bj  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:54:46am

Who gets to hold a banner in front of the White House that reads: I TOLD YOU SO, fool!

Spit!

168 Kronocide  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:07:04am

Is it me or is there still a few fist clenchers out there who don't know The One negates all need for fist clenching? The One should hire Cindy Sheehan to head the Department of Open Handidness to combat all the fist clenching going on round the world.

169 astronmr20  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:08:38am

re: #67 subsailor68

Sigh, eleven more.

Do any of the lizards here have a running total on the number of Gitmo detainees released who have gone back to the battlefield/jihad - including our latest eleven? And what percentage of the total released they represent?

I believe Michelle Malkin is keeping a "Jihadi Boomerang" count somewhere.

170 bj  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:17:53am

re: #168 BigPapa

Is it me or is there still a few fist clenchers out there who don't know The One negates all need for fist clenching? The One should hire Cindy Sheehan to head the Department of Open Handidness to combat all the fist clenching going on round the world.

You advocate sending a woman with a clenched fist to do the job? LOL

171 bombarafat  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:31:03am

THANKS BHO and friends

172 ProUSA  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:34:56am

Obama wants to expand on this failure, and with the most hard core detainees.

There's nothing as stupid as an educated man, once you get him off the topic in which he was educated. - Will Rogers

Obama wants to please his lefty supporters by ending the war on terror by asking our fanatic enemies to just be nice. He will do his best Jimmy Carter impression and disarm, appease, apologize, and show weakness.

No war was ever won or goal was ever accomplished by those who were 'ready for the war to be over’.

173 Raven1  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:44:36am

re: #151 mattm

The White House was not serving waffles that day.

174 tradewind  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:09:27pm

There's a simple solution: send all the Gitmo goons to Murtha's district, and make sure everyone knows he invited 'em.

175 CharlieBravo  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 1:29:10pm

Change - to rules of engagement: Don't take prisoners if you don't want to be in court for years explaining why you did so to ACLU lawyers.

176 angryconservative  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 2:45:36pm

I am Shocked, Shocked to hear that Gitmo releasees are returning to terrorism.

It would be funny if it wasn't so stupid..

You know there would be zero recidivism if they were all executed...

177 Lynn B.  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 3:51:11pm

Puhleeeeze! This is just more Bush administration fear-mongering propaganda!

oh....wait...

>/

178 Ron Shaw  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:54:23am

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WOW! Good thing we're closing Gitmo before it can convert any more innocent civilians into terrorists!

/////

Icksnay onay ethay erroristtay ordway per MSMay emomay...the young lads are detainees...and detainees once released can opt to dig defensive tunnels as a worthwhile occupation or rejoin fellow ex-detainees in any number of community disorganizing ventures once un-detained by Great Satan himself...and if their new body of work involves alleged murders, copious amounts of property destruction and general kayos then I suppose they might be classified as ex-detainees who allegedly display recidivist tendencies in the pursuit of criminality...someone will have to investigate this possibly and if absolutely necessary warrants will be issued by someone somewhere for someone somewhere to serve and possibly capture and detain the busy ex-detainees to await trial by their peers on charges related to errorismtay, allegedly.

179 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:27:18am
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