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A big LGF thank you goes to Timothy Sandefur at Panda’s Thumb, for his nice recommendation a little while back: LGF on Creationism - The Panda’s Thumb.

It’s great when conservatives and others who tend to support the Republican party are willing to take a stand against the creationist elements on the right. Charles Johnson may not be, strictly speaking, a conservative, but his blog Little Green Footballs is widely read by conservatives, and he’s been doing a great job defending evolution against the religious right. Regardless of your views of his politics, he deserves applause for speaking up on behalf of real science in the face of an often hostile crowd. To see what I mean, just click over and scroll down.

And check out Timothy’s blog: Freespace.

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1 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:48:25pm

Two thumbs up for Panda!

2 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:48:36pm

Timothy Sandefur seems like a nice, reasonable guy.

3 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:51:50pm

Here's some info on Timothy: [Link: www.cato.org...]

4 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:53:32pm

re: #3 Charles

Very impressive. NRO should feature him more.

5 HelloDare  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:53:39pm

Two panda sesamoid bones up!

6 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:53:46pm

re: #3 Charles

Timothy Sandefur is a Senior Staff Attorney at the Pacific Legal Foundation. As the lead attorney in the Economic Liberty Project, he works to protect businesses against abusive government regulation. He also works to prevent the abuse of eminent domain, having litigated important eminent domain cases in California, Missouri, and elsewhere, and having filed briefs in many significant eminent domain cases, including Kelo v. New London. A prolific writer, his book Cornerstone of Liberty: Property Rights in 21st Century America was published by the Cato Institute in 2006, and he has published many scholarly articles on subjects ranging from eminent domain and economic liberty to copyright, evolution and creationism, and the legal issues of slavery and the Civil War.

One of the good guys.

7 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:53:49pm

I have to admit I had actually liked the words "Intelligent Design" because they seemed to describe what I believe in--that the creation of the world was accomplished by God guiding natural forces over a period of time.

I credit LGF for exposing, to me, that ID is actually young-Earth creationism.

8 LionofDixon  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:55:30pm

Some of us on the "religious right" happen to believe that evolution is God's procedure for creationism. That is to say, creationism and evolution can co-exist.....

9 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:57:19pm

Didn't you already post a link to this a few weeks ago?

10 Lynn B.  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:58:07pm
It’s great when conservatives and others who tend to support the Republican party are willing to take a stand against the creationist elements on the right. Charles Johnson may not be, strictly speaking, a conservative, but his blog Little Green Footballs is widely read by conservatives, and he’s been doing a great job defending evolution against the religious right. Regardless of your views of his politics, he deserves applause for speaking up on behalf of real science in the face of an often hostile crowd.

Extremely well put!

11 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:58:39pm

re: #7 EmmmieG

I have to admit I had actually liked the words "Intelligent Design" because they seemed to describe what I believe in--that the creation of the world was accomplished by God guiding natural forces over a period of time.

I credit LGF for exposing, to me, that ID is actually young-Earth creationism.

Echoes my own feelings. Upding.

12 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:58:49pm

re: #7 EmmmieG

I have to admit I had actually liked the words "Intelligent Design" because they seemed to describe what I believe in--that the creation of the world was accomplished by God guiding natural forces over a period of time.

I credit LGF for exposing, to me, that ID is actually young-Earth creationism.

That was the purpose of the phrase- to play to people's religious sympathies, as well as our sense of fairness. It's more than a pseudo-scientific, YEC agenda- it's emotional and spiritual manipulation.

13 Shay4l  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:59:27pm

Way to go! Religion in church classrooms, science in science classrooms. What could be easier to understand?

14 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:01:39pm

Wish I knew how to do links. Front page of msn from a NY Slimes article..."Obama reaches out to moderate Taliban". You just can't make this shit up.

15 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:01:47pm

Bravo.

16 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:02:39pm

re: #14 pingjockey

Wish I knew how to do links. Front page of msn from a NY Slimes article..."Obama reaches out to moderate Taliban". You just can't make this shit up.

highlight the addy...then right click to cut and paste

17 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:03:07pm

re: #16 albusteve
The msn addy?

18 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:03:54pm

re: #17 pingjockey

The URL addy.

19 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:04:33pm

re: #18 Sharmuta
OK.

20 phoenixgirl  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:04:33pm

re: #14 pingjockey

Wish I knew how to do links. Front page of msn from a NY Slimes article..."Obama reaches out to moderate Taliban". You just can't make this shit up.

obama reaches out to moderate taliban

21 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:04:37pm

re: #14 pingjockey

Wish I knew how to do links.

The easiest way is just to click on the url up at the top of the page you want to post, press ctrl c ....then come over here in the window where you are typing, click, and press ctrl v.

22 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:06:01pm

Gotta go. I promised the 7 year-old that if he finished Harry Potter 1, we would make chocolate frogs using my mold. Time to make good on that promise, especially considering he just finished HP 3.

23 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:06:35pm

OT: I just cringe when I hear Greg Jarret on fox using the words "misery index". I just wasn't ready to hear that again.

24 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:06:40pm

re: #20 phoenixgirl
Stinker! Hell I'm so dense I can't find the frakkin' URL!

25 phoenixgirl  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:08:14pm

re: #24 pingjockey

Stinker! Hell I'm so dense I can't find the frakkin' URL!

{ping} it's at the top of your page

26 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:08:22pm

re: #24 pingjockey

Stinker! Hell I'm so dense I can't find the frakkin' URL!

it's the http addy at the very top of the page

27 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:08:58pm

re: #24 pingjockey

Stinker! Hell I'm so dense I can't find the frakkin' URL!

It's the web address up at the top of any page you are viewing, ([Link: www.littlegreenfootballs.com)...] When you click on it, it will turn blue and then it is able to be copied by pressing ctrl-c.

28 Zimriel  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:09:10pm

Yay! What keeps me out of sites like Bad Astronomy are their frequent gratuitous swipes at conservatives for being "anti Science" even when they're not. I'm glad Panda is reaching a paw out to us.

29 phoenixgirl  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:09:20pm

re: #23 pink freud

OT: I just cringe when I hear Greg Jarret on fox using the words "misery index". I just wasn't ready to hear that again.

i've been saying it since the election

30 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:09:36pm

re: #25 phoenixgirl

re: #26 albusteve
I have been looking at that for how long and forgot it was there. So ctrl c
then ctrl v to post. I am a doofus.

31 Muadib  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:09:37pm

re: #13 Shay4l

Way to go! Religion in church classrooms, science in science classrooms. What could be easier to understand?

That is it in a nutshell.

32 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:09:48pm

Go ahead and try, ping, we will walk you through it. It took me a while to get the hang of it too.

33 subsailor68  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:09:49pm

re: #24 pingjockey

Stinker! Hell I'm so dense I can't find the frakkin' URL!

Just look at the address line at the top of the screen. It'll probably start with "http" or "www" for example. Highlight the whole thing and right click your mouse. Just select Copy.

When you get back here to your quote box, just right click again, and select Paste.

34 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:09:55pm

re: #9 ConservatismNow!

I don't think so. Charles does link to Panda's thumb and Timothy Sandefur from time to time.

35 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:10:19pm

re: #29 phoenixgirl
Please don't. Brings back horrible memories of Jimmah C.

36 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:10:21pm

re: #30 pingjockey

re: #26 albusteve
I have been looking at that for how long and forgot it was there. So ctrl c
then ctrl v to post. I am a doofus.

I'm a mouse head...you can use your keyboard as well

37 phoenixgirl  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:10:52pm

re: #30 pingjockey

you are fine.....i love lgf for lots of reasons, but one is that the lizards are always willing to help out with the computer stuff

38 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:11:24pm

re: #33 subsailor68
I wish to thank all of you. I work on electronics, not with them! other than for trouble shooting.

39 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:12:00pm

re: #38 pingjockey

I wish to thank all of you. I work on electronics, not with them! other than for trouble shooting.

so put up a link....c'mon

40 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:12:03pm

Mr. Sandefur likes Michael Totten too.

This story makes me very proud to have Christopher Hitchens a fellow American citizen. But I think Michael Totten deserves the freakin' Presidential Medal of Freedom.

41 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:12:28pm

re: #28 Zimriel

What keeps me out of sites like Bad Astronomy are their frequent gratuitous swipes at conservatives for being "anti Science" even when they're not.


I really like scienceblogs.com but the leftist politics are bothersome sometimes. However, I suggest trying to be a little more open about the "republican anti-science" thing. It's easy to get defensive but it is a real problem.

42 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:12:34pm

re: #35 pingjockey

Please don't. Brings back horrible memories of Jimmah C.

I'm hoping that the banks will upgrade to wheelbarrow-accessible deposit windows.

43 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:12:37pm

re: #40 Sharmuta

Mr. Sandefur likes Michael Totten too.

At the very least, a Pulitzer.

44 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:13:11pm
MSNBC Video

okay test run.
45 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:13:37pm

re: #42 debutaunt

I'm hoping that the banks will upgrade to wheelbarrow-accessible deposit windows.

My wheelbarrow is nearly empty!

46 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:13:50pm

re: #44 pingjockey

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]
okay test run.

Perfect!

47 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:13:50pm

well does it work?

48 phoenixgirl  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:13:53pm

re: #44 pingjockey

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]
okay test run.

yeah!

49 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:13:55pm

re: #44 pingjockey

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]
okay test run.

Ha! You did it!

50 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:14:01pm

re: #44 pingjockey

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]
okay test run.

poifect...nice and blue

51 phoenixgirl  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:14:25pm

watch out world! ping jockey can post links!

52 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:14:37pm

re: #46 debutaunt
Yaaay! Time for adult beverage. Kokanee with a shot of Jose alongside.

53 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:14:39pm

re: #46 debutaunt

Perfect!

Where is the up-ping thing?

54 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:14:42pm

re: #50 albusteve

poifect...nice and blue

that'll be 2$ please

55 researchok  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:14:46pm

Kudos are well deserved.

As has been often noted here and elsewhere, belief in God does not negate acceptance of evolution.

In some ways, the biggest offense of all is the hijacking of faith by those who insist that belief in God is conditional on their interpretation, as if they and they alone speak for God- an idea that resembles Islamist thinking as opposed to our own Judeo-Christian beliefs that allows for free will.

How about we let God deal with those who believe in creationism and just teach science, as imperfect and ever changing as it is, in schools today? Science allows for change as our understanding and knowledge increases. That is very different than Creationism.

I submit that if my greatest sin were acceptance of evolution, I'm in pretty good shape.

56 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:15:05pm

re: #51 phoenixgirl
Y'all better stand the hell by now!

57 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:15:24pm

re: #51 phoenixgirl

watch out world! ping jockey can post links!

we're gonna get hammered....go ping!

58 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:15:26pm

re: #54 albusteve

that'll be 2$ please

First one free?

59 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:15:40pm

re: #51 phoenixgirl

re: #56 pingjockey

LOL!

60 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:16:03pm

re: #44 pingjockey

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]
okay test run.

Also- preview is your friend even for testing links. Now that you've done that you can now embed youtube videos! Just paste a youtube link just like that msn bc link and it will converted to an embed.

61 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:16:05pm

re: #54 albusteve
Sorry, the 9 year old got my last 2 bucks for a slurpee. He now has blue lips!

62 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:16:16pm

re: #58 debutaunt

First one free?

Ha!....sure

63 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:16:57pm

re: #60 Sharmuta
That is cool. Y'all maybe subjected to 70s rock.

64 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:17:25pm

re: #60 Sharmuta

Also- preview is your friend even for testing links. Now that you've done that you can now embed youtube videos! Just paste a youtube link just like that msn bc link and it will converted to an embed.

how can I book mark an embedded vid?

65 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:17:42pm

re: #63 pingjockey

That is cool. Y'all maybe subjected to 70s rock.

Down ping.

66 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:17:55pm

re: #64 albusteve

You could use the Favorites feature- click the heart.

67 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:18:00pm

OK, now that I've learned something very cool, the dryer buzzer just went off! Damn Sam and all his little men. BBIAB.

68 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:18:04pm

re: #63 pingjockey

That is cool. Y'all maybe subjected to 70s rock.

well there is always a downside to a new skill

69 Van Helsing  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:18:16pm

re: #20 phoenixgirl

obama reaches out to moderate taliban

That is just sooooo f***ed up. Can Obama possibly be so ignorant, naive, and/or clueless to think that there is an analogy to Taliban 'moderates' and the Sunni awakening?

Never mind. Yeah, he can be. Sorry I asked.

70 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:18:16pm

re: #64 albusteve

how can I book mark an embedded vid?

The info is $2.00

71 subsailor68  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:18:20pm

re: #38 pingjockey

I wish to thank all of you. I work on electronics, not with them! other than for trouble shooting.

Heh, heh. Good job! (BTW, I also worked on electronics - sonar of course, but if I told ya which systems, you'd laugh your ass off!)

72 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:18:57pm

re: #70 debutaunt

The info is $2.00

ahahaha....ouch!

73 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:19:24pm

re: #66 Sharmuta

You could use the Favorites feature- click the heart.

never tried it...thanks

74 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:19:39pm

re: #3 Charles

Charles -

Being a graduate of Hillsdale College got my attention, for sure.

-S-

75 phoenixgirl  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:19:42pm

re: #69 Van Helsing

That is just sooooo f***ed up. Can Obama possibly be so ignorant, naive, and/or clueless to think that there is an analogy to Taliban 'moderates' and the Sunni awakening?

Never mind. Yeah, he can be. Sorry I asked.

i wonder what moderate taliban are like.....i wonder if they are the ones hiding the unicorns that shit skittles.....

76 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:19:43pm

re: #70 debutaunt

The info is $2.00

Adjusted for 0-flation: $9.00.

77 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:19:45pm

re: #72 albusteve

ahahaha....ouch!

Send me a self-addressed envelope with $2.00.

78 Bloodnok  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:19:50pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

I really like scienceblogs.com but the leftist politics are bothersome sometimes. However, I suggest trying to be a little more open about the "republican anti-science" thing. It's easy to get defensive but it is a real problem.

I agree. I don't think that some on the right consider the impact a real or perceived anti-science view of a candidate can have on an Independent or moderate Democrat.

People don't sit around thinking "This person is anti-science" in those exact words, but it is very easy to be seen as a Luddite.

79 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:20:31pm

the heart test...


Youtube Video
80 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:20:58pm

re: #73 albusteve

Click the heart two times and it will take you to your Favorites page, where you can name each favorite with a tag, like "music". I have my own little collection of music saved up in my favorite.

81 Neo Con since 9-11  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:21:23pm

re: #64 albusteve

Wait till the end of the video and you'll see the you tube address for the video. If you select that you can go to that page and put it in your book mark folder

82 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:22:12pm

re: #81 Neo Con since 9-11

Wait till the end of the video and you'll see the you tube address for the video. If you select that you can go to that page and put it in your book mark folder

Or, just dbl click it when it opens and you can watch it at youtube and save then.

83 Shanimal1918  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:22:57pm

Did they just change the headline?

Now it is "Obama Ponders Outreach to Elements of the Taliban"

84 opnion  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:24:01pm

re: #20 phoenixgirl

obama reaches out to moderate taliban

This naivete, if that's what it is can get people killed.
Obama makes Neville Chamberlain look like a hard headed realist.

85 Zimriel  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:24:15pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

I really like scienceblogs.com but the leftist politics are bothersome sometimes. However, I suggest trying to be a little more open about the "republican anti-science" thing. It's easy to get defensive but it is a real problem.

I said "conservative", not "Republican". I'd agree with you that the Republican Party "brain trust" is creationist-ridden to the point of being toxic to half the population. But I don't take stuff like that personally. I can always flounce out of an organisation and join a new one. Or fire the idiots.

Lumpen conservatives also have a problem with creationism, but it's different in scope and scale. I do take insults to that personally. I can't flounce out of a philosophical principle. Those are too deeply held for flouncing. "Bad Astronomy" recently lied that among Bush's Sins Against Science was his refusal to fund stem cell research. In fact he'd refused to fund EMBRYONIC stem cell research. And that was for philosophical reasons to do with ethics, not out of a desire to return us to the glory days of Galen's four-humour theory of disease.

86 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:24:21pm

The nice thing about the Favorites feature is if you're ever on a different computer than the office or home, you have a list of LGF bookmarks that can travel with you. I have a few special news/article links I've saved like that for just such a reason.

87 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:24:44pm

re: #80 Sharmuta

Click the heart two times and it will take you to your Favorites page, where you can name each favorite with a tag, like "music". I have my own little collection of music saved up in my favorite.

I see but how do I cut the addy to send it elsewhere?

88 phoenixgirl  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:25:41pm
Youtube Video

the fear

89 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:26:00pm

re: #71 subsailor68
1968 sonar....SQS-4 maybe, some I never even heard of! High freq, short range. I have no clue about the passive systems back then!

90 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:26:17pm

re: #87 albusteve

You could always email the youtube link.

91 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:26:52pm

re: #83 Shanimal1918

Did they just change the headline?

Now it is "Obama Ponders Outreach to Elements of the Taliban"

Motherfucker needs to quit all the damned pondering.

The dude doesn't have a clou.

92 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:26:53pm

re: #90 Sharmuta

You could always email the youtube link.

Or email the link to the comment or whatever the Favorite might be.

93 vapig  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:27:36pm

re: #83 Shanimal1918

Did they just change the headline?

Now it is "Obama Ponders Outreach to Elements of the Taliban"

Yeah - and the picture changed.

94 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:28:20pm

re: #93 vapig
Hmmm....Does the slimes have a lurker here?

95 subsailor68  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:28:26pm

re: #89 pingjockey

1968 sonar....SQS-4 maybe, some I never even heard of! High freq, short range. I have no clue about the passive systems back then!

Yep, pretty close. On the boats we were using the BQQ-2 system. The BQS-13 had an active and passive stack, and the BQR-7 was a passive system. Obviously, we never used the active side.

;-)

96 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:29:01pm

re: #92 Sharmuta

Or email the link to the comment or whatever the Favorite might be.

got it...thanks

97 Shay4l  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:29:15pm

Moderate Taliban?

So, they'll stone a young rape victim instead of hanging? Where is moderation possible in violent fundamentalist Islam world view?

Do these people even know how the Taliban started or ANYTHING about them?

98 MarineMomSue  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:29:17pm

re: #76 pink freud

Adjusted for 0-flation: $9.00.

...and that is before taxes. We all have to pay our 'fair share', just to be patriotic, right?/

99 phoenixgirl  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:29:36pm

hugo tells obama to wash his ass

i'm confused, i thought obama's shit didn't stink

100 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:30:09pm

re: #94 pingjockey

Hmmm....Does the slimes have a lurker here?

of course...we are their worst nightmare....they are here....SUP BRO?

101 phoenixgirl  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:30:20pm

re: #99 phoenixgirl

hugo tells obama to wash his ass

i'm confused, i thought obama's shit didn't stink

hat tip roses

102 pingjockey  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:30:26pm

re: #95 subsailor68
Hah! single digit numbered sonars. Oh wow.
later folks, thanks again for all the help.

103 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:30:39pm

I don't know about green pandas but I thought I'd read a story about a green polar bear. The coat was green because of algae, iirc.

104 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:31:28pm

Green Polar Bear

105 Zimriel  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:32:22pm

re: #103 Sharmuta

I don't know about green pandas but I thought I'd read a story about a green polar bear. The coat was green because of algae, iirc.

Hah! Me too. Someone needs to photoshop a scaled, green-and-black-blotchy panda as the offspring of LGF and Panda's thumb.

106 DEZes  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:32:24pm

re: #104 Sharmuta

Green Polar Bear


I want one in blue.
/

107 subsailor68  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:33:14pm

Gotta go....heading out to a fundraiser for our senior center. Good news is that, even in this economy, the event is sold out. I love our little town!

108 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:33:17pm

re: #104 Sharmuta

Green Polar Bear

rad man....

109 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:33:32pm

Aussie the Green Polar Bear

Microscopic Algae gets into the hollow hairs and turns them green in the summer. It's harmless and goes away in the fall/winter.

110 opnion  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:35:47pm

re: #97 Shay4l

Moderate Taliban?

So, they'll stone a young rape victim instead of hanging? Where is moderation possible in violent fundamentalist Islam world view?

Do these people even know how the Taliban started or ANYTHING about them?

Oh I think that Obama understands just who the Tal ee Bhan are.
Does anyone think that it is outside of the realm of possibility that Obama will throw taxpayer money at these monsters?
The UN built them a soccer stadium & they used it for executions.

111 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:38:58pm

re: #106 DEZes

Hey were you looking for Vietnam Documentries?

112 Van Helsing  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:38:59pm

re: #110 opnion

Oh I think that Obama understands just who the Tal ee Bhan are.
Does anyone think that it is outside of the realm of possibility that Obama will throw taxpayer money at these monsters?
The UN built them a soccer stadium & they used it for executions.

Not me. Throw money at them, maybe they'll love us then.
The fact that that has never worked before is no reason to not keep trying it.

Unless of course, you're not absolutely, totally, and completely batshit insane!

113 cronus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:40:09pm

Some very well deserved kudos. Before Charles and others started calling it out, I bet there were many of us on the right who thought we were alone in being outraged by the unconstitutional strategy and disingenuous tactics of the IDers.

114 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:40:10pm

Charles isn't a conservative?

115 opnion  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:41:48pm

re: #112 Van Helsing

Not me. Throw money at them, maybe they'll love us then.
The fact that that has never worked before is no reason to not keep trying it.

Unless of course, you're not absolutely, totally, and completely batshit insane!


I'll take it another step. I don't think that Obama really think's that these guy's are all that bad. Maybe somewhat extreme, but it has to be America's fault. Nothing that cash & apologies won't fix.

116 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:42:30pm

Clinton tells how she fell for Bill "long ago"

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Appearing on a popular Turkish television chat show, Hadi Gel Bizimle (Come and Join Us), Clinton tackled a few diplomatic questions but the main focus was on her personal life, such as when she "last" fell in love.

Ah touchy feely diplomacy. What will she think of next?

117 DEZes  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:42:35pm

re: #111 screaming_eagle

Hey were you looking for Vietnam Documentries?

yuppers, got any thing good to point me to?

118 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:44:21pm

23:57 New York Times: Obama mulls reaching out to moderate elements of Taliban (Reuters)

And the hits just keep on coming!

119 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:45:07pm

re: #115 opnion

I'll take it another step. I don't think that Obama really think's that these guy's are all that bad. Maybe somewhat extreme, but it has to be America's fault. Nothing that cash & apologies won't fix.

/reactionary measures against the hegemony of the Great Evil Satan, America.

//completely understandable once you've walked a mile in their shoes

/////////

120 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:45:19pm

re: #118 Nevergiveup

23:57 New York Times: Obama mulls reaching out to moderate elements of Taliban (Reuters)

And the hits just keep on coming!

"Moderate Elements"--Exccuuuuse me , but the FUCK is that!

121 cronus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:45:59pm

re: #118 Nevergiveup

23:57 New York Times: Obama mulls reaching out to moderate elements of Taliban (Reuters)

And the hits just keep on coming!

Any guess on what distinguishes the "moderate" element of the Taliban?

122 opnion  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:46:13pm

re: #118 Nevergiveup

23:57 New York Times: Obama mulls reaching out to moderate elements of Taliban (Reuters)

And the hits just keep on coming!

Is being a 'Moderate" Taliban like being the tallest midget?
How can one be a member of the Taliban & be a moderate?

123 Van Helsing  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:46:13pm

re: #115 opnion

I'll take it another step. I don't think that Obama really think's that these guy's are all that bad. Maybe somewhat extreme, but it has to be America's fault. Nothing that cash & apologies won't fix.

Absolutely, totally, and completely batshit insane!

124 DEZes  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:46:23pm

re: #120 Nevergiveup

"Moderate Elements"--Exccuuuuse me , but the FUCK is that!


Must be something like moderate Nazis.

125 BignJames  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:46:50pm

re: #121 cronus

They sharpen their knives before a beheadins.

126 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:46:52pm

re: #118 Nevergiveup

23:57 New York Times: Obama mulls reaching out to moderate elements of Taliban (Reuters)

And the hits just keep on coming!

And add in this:

23:27 Obama: Afghanistan situation more complicated than Iraq (AP)

I smell "declare victory and give up" coming.

127 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:47:23pm

re: #113 cronus

Some very well deserved kudos. Before Charles and others started calling it out, I bet there were many of us on the right who thought we were alone in being outraged by the unconstitutional strategy and disingenuous tactics of the IDers.

I imagine it was frustrating. I'm more along the lines of EmmmieG in #7 in that without LGF, I wouldn't have known about the issue. So it's not just that you're no longer alone- you're actually gaining allies, and that's going to benefit science in the long run.

128 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:48:08pm

re: #121 cronus

Any guess on what distinguishes the "moderate" element of the Taliban?

They use "allah ackbar" half as much as extreme taliban?

129 opnion  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:48:33pm

re: #119 pink freud

/reactionary measures against the hegemony of the Great Evil Satan, America.

//completely understandable once you've walked a mile in their shoes

/////////

There is a lrge part of the populace that see it that way.
Hey, Obama never liked America. There is not one speech or writing that is pro- American that I can find, before he started running for office.

130 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:49:40pm

re: #118 Nevergiveup

23:57 New York Times: Obama mulls reaching out to moderate elements of Taliban (Reuters)

Mulls. Ponders. I suppose we should prepare ourselves for the replacement of the Churchill bust with a Rodin-copy of The Thinker with 0's gray visage atop the shoulders.

Lifesize, of course. Pure gold, perhaps?

131 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:50:03pm

re: #117 DEZes

We Were Heroes Vietnam

It's entirely about the 1st Air Cav. I got it for Christmas a couple years ago. It's alright. It's not one of those real expensive fancy sets, but has alot of footage and breakdowns of tons of battles. Including Dang Valley/LZ X-ray that the movie We Were Soldiers was about.

132 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:50:05pm

re: #12 Sharmuta

That was the purpose of the phrase- to play to people's religious sympathies, as well as our sense of fairness. It's more than a pseudo-scientific, YEC agenda- it's emotional and spiritual manipulation.

Yep. It's a virus that has been carefully designed to exploit it's environment. Nice sounding phrases are the sugar coated outer layer that gets the payload of pure bullshit into the target host.

133 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:50:32pm

Here is more:


Times report: Obama mulls reaching out to moderate Taliban
Published: 03.08.09, 00:06 / Israel News
US President Barack Obama is open to the idea of reaching out to moderate elements of the Taliban, The New York Times reported on Saturday.

In an interview with the newspaper published on its website, Obama said that some of the US success in Iraq involved reaching out to Islamic fundamentalists who had been alienated by the tactics of al Qaeda in Iraq. (Reuters)

Does this jack ass know who the Taliban are?

134 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:50:42pm

OT: I just started looking into refinancing my mortgage. Current interest rates are only 1% lower than my current rate but if I refinance ($1,000 fee) my payment drops by $373! Am I calculating it wrong? It just sound too good to be true.

135 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:50:53pm

re: #116 Nevergiveup

Clinton tells how she fell for Bill "long ago"

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Appearing on a popular Turkish television chat show, Hadi Gel Bizimle (Come and Join Us), Clinton tackled a few diplomatic questions but the main focus was on her personal life, such as when she "last" fell in love.

Ah touchy feely diplomacy. What will she think of next?

To know them is to love them.

136 opnion  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:51:31pm

re: #123 Van Helsing

Absolutely, totally, and completely batshit insane!

I think that he could be. He has abandonment issues, but idolizes the father that left the family. He has racial identity issues, so he disavows his White blood & joins a racist Church. Toss in his Koranic studies & you have a mess.

137 DEZes  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:52:07pm

re: #131 screaming_eagle
Woke up this morning and found some good ones on VEOH, for free. ;]
Ill look for your suggestion, thanks.

138 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:52:38pm

re: #122 opnion

Is being a 'Moderate" Taliban like being the tallest midget?
How can one be a member of the Taliban & be a moderate?

Kinda' like being a little bit pregnant.

139 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:53:32pm

Here is the whole NY Times article--so be forewarned.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Why I love the Taliban?

140 gettinby  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:53:52pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

OT: I just started looking into refinancing my mortgage. Current interest rates are only 1% lower than my current rate but if I refinance ($1,000 fee) my payment drops by $373! Am I calculating it wrong? It just sound too good to be true.

Try this.

141 opinionated  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:54:05pm

Breaking news: Obama is Nuts

Obama Ponders Outreach to Elements of the Taliban

American military would reach out to moderate elements of the Taliban...

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Moderate Taliban- they don't maim women seeking an education on Tuesdays of every second week.

142 Shr_Nfr  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:54:47pm

re: #136 opnion

Correction; We have a mess.

143 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:55:33pm

re: #136 opnion

I think that he could be. He has abandonment issues, but idolizes the father that left the family. He has racial identity issues, so he disavows his White blood & joins a racist Church. Toss in his Koranic studies & you have a mess.

Throw in a mate who seethes with racist angst and imagine the nest of snakes twisting in his head.

Don't forget mother-abandonment issues also.

Also, who knows what went on at the feet of Frank Marshall Davis.

144 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:56:18pm

re: #141 opinionated

Breaking news: Obama is Nuts

That part is NOT breaking news.

145 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:56:43pm

re: #140 gettinby

That shows pretty much the same thing. I tried a few different calculators and they all show more or less the same thing.

146 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:57:22pm

Check this out:

Oklahoma legislator proposes resolution to condemn Richard Dawkins

[Link: richarddawkins.net...]

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE 1ST SESSION OF THE 52ND OKLAHOMA LEGISLATURE:

THAT the Oklahoma House of Representative strongly opposes the invitation to speak on the campus of the University of Oklahoma to Richard Dawkins of Oxford University, whose published statements on the theory of evolution and opinion about those who do not believe in the theory are contrary and offensive to the views and opinions of most citizens of Oklahoma.

THAT the Oklahoma House of Representatives encourages the University of Oklahoma to engage in an open, dignified, and fair discussion of the Darwinian theory of evolution and all other scientific theories which is the approach that a public institution should be engaged in and which represents the desire and interest of the citizens of Oklahoma.

As PZ Myers puts it on pharyngula:

Wow. This from the same crowd that gets all fluttery and happy at "academic freedom" bills — they want to kick Richard Dawkins out of the whole state. I thought I was the scary one when I was the guy getting kicked out of a mere movie theater.

147 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:58:50pm

I wonder if I qualify for this?
Rules set for cutting payments on mortgages
Those are some complicated rules.

148 reine.de.tout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:59:10pm

re: #145 Killgore Trout

That shows pretty much the same thing. I tried a few different calculators and they all show more or less the same thing.

That's a big difference.
Well worth your time, I would say, to check it out with your bank or whoever.

149 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:59:40pm

re: #146 Jimmah

Lol!

150 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:00:04pm

Q. Why does Bill Clinton cheat so much?
A. You'd cheat too if you found out your wife loved Karl Marx more than she loved you.

151 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:00:10pm

While I was over at Dawkins site I found this :

Seven Wonders of the World. Richard Dawkins explains his picks for the seven wonders of the world in this program from 1997.

[Link: richarddawkins.net...]

152 opnion  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:00:14pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

OT: I just started looking into refinancing my mortgage. Current interest rates are only 1% lower than my current rate but if I refinance ($1,000 fee) my payment drops by $373! Am I calculating it wrong? It just sound too good to be true.

I'll bet that you can make them drop the $1,000 fee.

153 opnion  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:00:48pm

re: #138 MandyManners

Kinda' like being a little bit pregnant.

A lot like that.

154 reine.de.tout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:00:59pm

re: #147 Killgore Trout

I wonder if I qualify for this?
Rules set for cutting payments on mortgages
Those are some complicated rules.

Good grief!
Here's the part that amazes me:

The balance on the first-lien mortgage can't be more than $729,750 for a single-family home.

I need to sell my house RIGHT NOW and get a much much bigger place!

155 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:01:08pm

re: #146 Jimmah

no no no no no no no no no no no! NO! BAD STATE! BAD! No new roads for you!

156 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:01:42pm

re: #148 reine.de.tout

I have a Charles Schwab account and used their calculator. I can't wait to call them on Monday. That could really save my ass. I'll still have to get a crappy temporary job but this would make a huge difference to me. It all sounds a little too good to be true so I'm trying to not get my hopes up.

157 engineboss  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:02:37pm

Dont forget, the taxes and insurance are not inlude in that amount

158 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:02:53pm

re: #152 opnion

I don't know. I hear lenders are pretty tight with their money these days.

re: #154 reine.de.tout

Go for something on the beach with a pool.

159 cronus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:03:38pm

re: #156 Killgore Trout

Sorry if someone already asked this but did the calculator include real estate taxes and insurance into the new payment estimate? Many online calculators don't.

160 engineboss  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:03:38pm

Included either

161 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:04:35pm

re: #146 Jimmah

That's the sort of thing that really pisses me off about lawmakers- you'd think they'd have something better to do with their time than attack a scientist. I'm also reminded of Congress' hearings with major league baseball. There are serious issues going on in the country, and some pandering lawmaker somewhere goes after the wrong targets. Just maddening!

162 BignJames  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:05:19pm

Now he's gonna kiss some Nork ass

163 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:05:24pm

So Obama wants to make nice nice with the Taliban. Do you think anyone told him that Mullah Omar's daughter is married to one of Bin Lauden's sons ( or the other way around )? But then again think Obama knows who Mullah Omar is and how tall he is?

164 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:05:41pm

re: #161 Sharmuta

WV has a lawmaker that wants to ban Barbie dolls.

165 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:06:29pm

re: #162 BignJames

Now he's gonna kiss some Nork ass

Weren't they next in line?
/

166 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:06:51pm

re: #162 BignJames

Now he's gonna kiss some Nork ass

So the Axis of Evil is going to become the Axis of LoVe. Let the sun shine, let the sun shine, oh.....yada yada yada

167 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:06:51pm

re: #164 screaming_eagle

WV has a lawmaker that wants to ban Barbie dolls.

My favorite is still the dildo ban. Kind of ironic.

168 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:07:58pm

re: #167 Sharmuta

My favorite is still the dildo ban. Kind of ironic.

Wouldn't that be a self-imposed ban on most lawmakers?

169 opnion  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:07:58pm

re: #158 Killgore Trout

I don't know. I hear lenders are pretty tight with their money these days.

re: #154 reine.de.tout

Go for something on the beach with a pool.


It couldn't hurt to push the envelope. They will not withdraw the deal.
Your credit must be good & at some point they have to sell money.

170 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:08:21pm

re: #168 screaming_eagle

Wouldn't that be a self-imposed ban on most lawmakers?

That's why it's ironic.

171 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:08:31pm

re: #157 engineboss

Ah, very good point. My taxes are 2,000 per year and insurance is 650. divided by 12 that's $220. so I only save $150 per month. It would take me 7 months to make up the $1000 fee.
Nice catch. I knew it couldn't be as good as it sounded. Much thanks.

172 cronus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:08:37pm

re: #146 Jimmah

Dawkins is a genius! How did he ever convince this clown to offer this resolution? What was a innocuous lecture has been turned into a statewide media event. This will of course result in Dawkins selling more books in Oklahoma and probably framing the resolution on his wall.

173 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:09:13pm

re: #159 cronus

Engineboss just pointed that out.

174 gettinby  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:09:23pm

re: #136 opnion

I think that he could be. He has abandonment issues, but idolizes the father that left the family. He has racial identity issues, so he disavows his White blood & joins a racist Church. Toss in his Koranic studies & you have a mess.

This is so scarey.

I find myself even ignoring the news now instead of facing reality which is not healthy.

/Keep me close LGF - keep me close!

175 DEZes  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:09:29pm

re: #167 Sharmuta

My favorite is still the dildo ban. Kind of ironic.


I take it your not kidding, Oh great now I have American Pie running in my head.

176 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:11:17pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Lol!

It seems his views on the theory of evolution and creationists are offensive to an entire group of people.

177 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:11:37pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

OT: I just started looking into refinancing my mortgage. Current interest rates are only 1% lower than my current rate but if I refinance ($1,000 fee) my payment drops by $373! Am I calculating it wrong? It just sound too good to be true.

Are you using a barometer or calculator?

178 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:11:52pm

Navy officials who helped design and purchase F/A-18E/F Super Hornets in the 1990s failed to initially consider ways to reduce the fighter jet’s deafening noise level, putting today’s flight-deck sailors at risk for hearing damage, according to a Naval Audit Service report.

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

What?

179 Van Helsing  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:11:54pm

re: #164 screaming_eagle

WV has a lawmaker that wants to ban Barbie dolls.

There is plenty of Stupid to go around these days.
Thank goodness we don't have any real issues to concern our beloved elected class.

Asshats. Near all of them aren't worth a bucket of warm piss spit.

180 gettinby  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:12:36pm

re: #145 Killgore Trout

That shows pretty much the same thing. I tried a few different calculators and they all show more or less the same thing.

The only fee would be the $1,000?

What about closing costs, etc. (appraisal, new survey, etc.).

Get an Estimated Closing Costs Statement ('Good Faith Estimate' HUD form) so you can see what it's really costing you, even if they add it to the loan. This should enable you to really compare it's value.

/although $373/month drop sounds sweeeeet!

181 gmsc  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:13:05pm

re: #167 Sharmuta

My favorite is still the dildo ban. Kind of ironic.

re: #175 DEZes

I take it your not kidding, Oh great now I have American Pie running in my head.

Why does mentioning a dildo ban bring to mind the levy being dry?
;)

182 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:13:08pm

re: #175 DEZes

I'm not kidding.

183 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:13:51pm

re: #181 gmsc

Why does mentioning a dildo ban bring to mind the levy being dry?
;)

Levy? is that a jewish joke?
/

184 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:14:00pm

re: #146 Jimmah

The resolution is a real hoot....
HOUSE RESOLUTION 1015


WHEREAS, the University of Oklahoma, as a part of the Darwin 2009 Project, has invited as a public speaker on campus, Richard Dawkins of Oxford University, whose published opinions, as represented in his 2006 book “The God Delusion”, and public statements on the theory of evolution demonstrate an intolerance for cultural diversity and diversity of thinking and are views that are not shared and are not representative of the thinking of a majority of the citizens of Oklahoma
185 opnion  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:14:48pm

re: #174 gettinby

This is so scarey.

I find myself even ignoring the news now instead of facing reality which is not healthy.

/Keep me close LGF - keep me close!

We need some Blue Dog Democrats to rebel & pick up some House seats in 2010.

186 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:15:12pm

re: #177 debutaunt

How is the barometer calculator different?

187 BignJames  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:15:16pm

re: #165 pink freud

Weren't they next in line?
/

NK, Iran Cuba, Venezuela....I get confused...wait....Programs!...get yer programs!....can't tell yer players without a program!

188 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:15:40pm

re: #181 gmsc

Why does mentioning a dildo ban bring to mind the levy being dry?
;)

I thought he meant the music died.

189 gmsc  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:15:56pm

re: #183 Nevergiveup

Levy? is that a jewish joke?
/

No, "levy" (note: not capitalized) as in "..took my chevy to the levy and the levy was dry..."

190 reine.de.tout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:16:24pm

re: #156 Killgore Trout

I have a Charles Schwab account and used their calculator. I can't wait to call them on Monday. That could really save my ass. I'll still have to get a crappy temporary job but this would make a huge difference to me. It all sounds a little too good to be true so I'm trying to not get my hopes up.

I hope it works out for you.

191 Salamantis  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:16:25pm

Richard Dawkins responds to OK Resolution:

Youtube Video
192 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:16:51pm

re: #184 Killgore Trout

Dawkins probably isn't the best spokesperson for evolution, given that he is a die-hard atheist and a lightning rod for criticism, but banning him from speaking is quite...leftist.

193 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:17:30pm

re: #189 gmsc

No, "levy" (note: not capitalized) as in "..took my chevy to the levy and the levy was dry..."

So then you must live in "dry" county? Moonshine anyone?

194 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:17:40pm

re: #180 gettinby

I wasn't accounting for taxes and insurance. It's not really that great of a deal. Anything beyond the refinance fee (appraisals, etc) would kill it for me.

195 BignJames  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:17:45pm

re: #189 gmsc


I think that's levee.

/picky

196 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:17:56pm

Jeez o pete. Japan spanked Korea 14-2 in the WBC.

197 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:18:28pm

re: #195 BignJames

I think that's levee.

/picky

They changed it from levy to levee when they moved from Poland?

198 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:18:54pm

re: #184 Killgore Trout

The resolution is a real hoot....

WHEREAS, the University of Oklahoma, as a part of the Darwin 2009 Project, has invited as a public speaker on campus, Richard Dawkins of Oxford University, whose published opinions, as represented in his 2006 book “The God Delusion”, and public statements on the theory of evolution demonstrate an intolerance for cultural diversity and diversity of thinking and are views that are not shared and are not representative of the thinking of a majority of the citizens of Oklahoma
HOUSE RESOLUTION 1015

That's is the most hilariously self-contradictory statement I've seen in a while.

199 gmsc  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:18:59pm

re: #193 Nevergiveup

So then you must live in "dry" county? Moonshine anyone?

The county I live in is not exactly dry. I live in Las Vegas.

200 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:19:23pm

re: #191 Salamantis

He's a wise ass. Heh.

201 BignJames  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:19:29pm

re: #197 Nevergiveup

They changed it from levy to levee when they moved from Poland?

Yeah....French/Cajun....y'know?

202 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:19:39pm

re: #196 ConservatismNow!

Jeez o pete. Japan spanked Korea 14-2 in the WBC.

I am rooting for Italy over Venezuela big time.

203 reine.de.tout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:20:12pm

re: #194 Killgore Trout

I wasn't accounting for taxes and insurance. It's not really that great of a deal. Anything beyond the refinance fee (appraisals, etc) would kill it for me.

Killgore - call 'em and talk to them.
there are some fees that can be waived. If you talk to them and it isn't that good a deal for you, you've lost nothing but a little time. The very worst that can happen is nothing.

204 DEZes  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:20:28pm

Tennessee Republican Eric H. Swafford has a new bill to ban all dildos and to make sex toy possession a crime:
Unbelievable.

205 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:20:41pm

re: #199 gmsc

The county I live in is not exactly dry. I live in Las Vegas.

Yeah, I'd say you got me on that one.

206 Salamantis  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:20:43pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

He's a wise ass. Heh.

Indeed.

207 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:21:05pm

re: #203 reine.de.tout

I'll still give them a call. I really need to cut some corners somewhere.

208 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:21:14pm

re: #204 DEZes

Tennessee Republican Eric H. Swafford has a new bill to ban all dildos and to make sex toy possession a crime:
Unbelievable.

These people are sooooo anal.

209 opnion  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:21:19pm

re: #199 gmsc

The county I live in is not exactly dry. I live in Las Vegas.

Hey, I have been there. You most definitely can get a drink in Las Vegas.
I think that you have to be at least ten years old, though.

210 Bobblehead  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:21:28pm

Farting cows causing global warming? How about burping worms? What next?

211 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:21:48pm

re: #204 DEZes

Tennessee Republican Eric H. Swafford has a new bill to ban all dildos and to make sex toy possession a crime:
Unbelievable.

I think it only applies to fully-automatic dildo's not semi-automatic ones?

212 gmsc  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:21:57pm

re: #209 opnion

Hey, I have been there. You most definitely can get a drink in Las Vegas.
I think that you have to be at least ten years old, though.

We moved it up from 8 when everyone complained.
;)

213 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:22:09pm

re: #204 DEZes

Tennessee Republican Eric H. Swafford has a new bill to ban all dildos and to make sex toy possession a crime:
Unbelievable.

Does this include cigars? What about coke bottles? Snakes? Lobsters? Sex swings? Lube?

214 BignJames  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:22:19pm

re: #204 DEZes

Tennessee Republican Eric H. Swafford has a new bill to ban all dildos and to make sex toy possession a crime:
Unbelievable.


Hmmm....I'm mulling this one over....don't know how tasteless I wanna be.

215 gmsc  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:23:09pm

re: #210 Bobblehead

Farting cows causing global warming? How about burping worms? What next?

I guess it's time to add burping worms to the complete list of things caused by global warming.

216 opnion  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:23:43pm

re: #212 gmsc

We moved it up from 8 when everyone complained.
;)

Well, I agree that 10 is more reasonable, especially if the kid is driving.

217 DEZes  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:24:22pm

re: #214 BignJames

Hmmm....I'm mulling this one over....don't know how tasteless I wanna be.

yeah I had one, but left it out, something about paraphernalia and g........

218 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:24:23pm

re: #214 BignJames

Hmmm....I'm mulling this one over....don't know how tasteless I wanna be.

Go for it!

219 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:24:26pm

re: #188 pink freud

I thought he meant the music died.

Least it wasn't a rabbit.

220 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:24:38pm

re: #191 Salamantis

Richard Dawkins responds to OK Resolution:


Excellent :)

221 Van Helsing  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:25:25pm

re: #211 Nevergiveup

I think it only applies to fully-automatic dildo's not semi-automatic ones?

I'm gonna hate myself...
You sure it's not just the scary black ones with the large...?

/ducking, running, apologizing

222 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:25:33pm

So we have gone from Obama and the Taliban to dildo's? Hum?

223 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:25:43pm

re: #213 ConservatismNow!

Does this include cigars? What about coke bottles? Snakes? Lobsters? Sex swings? Lube?

Gerbils?

224 MarineMomSue  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:25:56pm

re: #171 Killgore Trout

When we closed on our home, we insisted on paying our own taxes and insurance rather than having it withheld in escrow. They balked. We held our ground, and told them it was a deal-breaker for us. After some 'it can't be done' and hand-wringing, we got our way. That was 23 years ago. Needless to say, we've never so much as been late with a payment.

I haven't a clue if this would work now but it's certainly worth a try.

225 BignJames  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:26:14pm

re: #222 Nevergiveup

So we have gone from Obama and the Taliban to dildo's? Hum?

Sounds about right.

226 opnion  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:26:21pm

re: #221 Van Helsing

I'm gonna hate myself...
You sure it's not just the scary black ones with the large...?

/ducking, running, apologizing

Too late, once you hit post.

227 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:27:13pm

re: #222 Nevergiveup

So we have gone from Obama and the Taliban to dildo's? Hum?

Just think if the thread started with Hillary and the Turks.

228 brookly red  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:27:18pm

re: #214 BignJames

Hmmm....I'm mulling this one over....don't know how tasteless I wanna be.

I have let a few easy ones go by... better to let this pass, no?

229 opnion  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:27:22pm

re: #222 Nevergiveup

So we have gone from Obama and the Taliban to dildo's? Hum?

I don't see that as much of a difference.

230 gettinby  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:27:23pm

re: #203 reine.de.tout

Killgore - call 'em and talk to them.
there are some fees that can be waived. If you talk to them and it isn't that good a deal for you, you've lost nothing but a little time. The very worst that can happen is nothing.

I agree. A lot of fees are negotiable, and the length of the loan quoted to you might possibly be lengthened to make the difference worth your while.

Good luck!

231 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:28:14pm

re: #223 pink freud

Gerbils?

I bet they were too embarrassed to even define what a sex toy was. Hang on. I got one more.

I wonder if Eric was upset with his wife and decided to take it out on Tennessee. Does he realize how foolish he looks?

232 BignJames  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:28:30pm

re: #228 brookly red

I have let a few easy ones go by... better to let this pass, no?


Yeah....think so.

233 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:29:10pm

re: #228 brookly red

I have no such moral qualms.

234 gmsc  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:29:30pm

re: #211 Nevergiveup

I think it only applies to fully-automatic dildo's not semi-automatic ones?

re: #221 Van Helsing

I'm gonna hate myself...
You sure it's not just the scary black ones with the large...?

/ducking, running, apologizing

"When I think about it, I hate myself..."

Youtube Video
235 BignJames  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:30:10pm

re: #231 ConservatismNow!

I bet they were too embarrassed to even define what a sex toy was. Hang on. I got one more.

I wonder if Eric was upset with his wife and decided to take it out on Tennessee. Does he realize how foolish he looks?


I'm willin' to bet....no.

236 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:30:31pm

U.S. turns up heat on Israel over settlements

By Barak Ravid, Haaretz Correspondent

Tags: Barack Obama, Israel News

Israel is under increased pressure from the United States over settlement construction. In the past month, since Barack Obama was sworn in as U.S. president, Israel has received four official complaints from members of the new administration regarding various issues linked to West Bank settlements.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

But the Taliban are misunderstood right? Boy is Obama a dildo! Ok I connected those 2.

237 danrudy  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:30:59pm

Not sure if this was referred to yet but is lead story on yahooViolent proetests in Sweden over Davis Cup Israel -Sweden match

Sounds like the "youths" are out again

238 gettinby  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:31:37pm

re: #222 Nevergiveup

So we have gone from Obama and the Taliban to dildo's? Hum?

Evolution!

239 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:31:59pm

re: #237 danrudy

Not sure if this was referred to yet but is lead story on yahooViolent proetests in Sweden over Davis Cup Israel -Sweden match

Sounds like the "youths" are out again

That's spelled "Yutes"

240 brookly red  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:32:34pm

re: #233 ConservatismNow!

I have no such moral qualms.

OK, go for it... impress us all with your vast knowledge of sex toys :)

241 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:34:06pm

It didn't take long for T.O. to find a new home.

Terrell Owens has agreed to a one-year, $6.5 million deal with the Buffalo Bills, according to sources.

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

Anybody inform TO where Buffalo is?

242 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:34:29pm

re: #231 ConservatismNow!

I bet they were too embarrassed to even define what a sex toy was. Hang on. I got one more.

I wonder if Eric was upset with his wife and decided to take it out on Tennessee. Does he realize how foolish he looks?

The founding fathers would be spinning in their graves to see what a joke their precious and well-thought-out government has become. Both left and right.

243 Bobblehead  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:35:00pm

Via Powerline: It Ain't Your Money To Spend Great little song. The lady has a nice voice.

244 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:35:33pm

re: #236 Nevergiveup

Or, Israel better grab the lube and bend over ....

245 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:35:37pm

re: #237 danrudy

Not sure if this was referred to yet but is lead story on yahooViolent proetests in Sweden over Davis Cup Israel -Sweden match

Sounds like the "youths" are out again

Andy Ram: Sweden protest was first time I felt anti-Israel hate

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Then Andy, I suggest you get out more.

246 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:35:59pm

I'm wondering how much farther I can take this before I get a whack from Charles.

247 Salamantis  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:36:13pm

Richard Dawkins might be a smartass, but if I have to choose one of the two, I'd much rather be a smartass than a dumbass, which is what Oklahoma state representative Todd Thomsen, who introduced Resolution 1015 into the OK House, is.

248 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:36:36pm

re: #246 ConservatismNow!

I'm wondering how much farther I can take this before I get a whack from Charles.

Your into S&M also?

249 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:36:40pm

re: #241 Nevergiveup

It didn't take long for T.O. to find a new home.

Terrell Owens has agreed to a one-year, $6.5 million deal with the Buffalo Bills, according to sources.

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

Anybody inform TO where Buffalo is?

Bet he STILL drops easy passes.

250 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:37:09pm

re: #248 Nevergiveup

Your into S&M also?

LOL!

251 DEZes  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:37:31pm

re: #248 Nevergiveup

Good one.

252 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:37:33pm

re: #249 screaming_eagle

Bet he STILL drops easy passes.

Nah, he'll love the snow and cold?

253 BignJames  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:38:18pm

re: #252 Nevergiveup

Nah, he'll love the snow and cold?


And the party scene.

254 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:38:54pm

re: #252 Nevergiveup

Nah, he'll love the snow and cold?

He'll just use it as an excuse. Maybe he thinks the Bills keep cellphones in the fieldgoal posts.

255 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:39:54pm

re: #253 BignJames

And the party scene.

Well if he gets depressed and tries to kill himself again, there is always Niagara Falls.

256 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:40:42pm

re: #255 Nevergiveup

Well if he gets depressed and tries to kill himself again, there is always Niagara Falls.

You think he'll fit into a wooden barrel?

257 Salamantis  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:41:14pm

re: #241 Nevergiveup

It didn't take long for T.O. to find a new home.

Terrell Owens has agreed to a one-year, $6.5 million deal with the Buffalo Bills, according to sources.

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

Anybody inform TO where Buffalo is?

He shoulda signed with Pittburgh.

I can just imagine Terrible Terrell with a Terrible Towel.

Or maybe Oakland; the Raiders have a habit of making misfits, bigmouths, and assholes work for them.

258 BignJames  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:41:40pm

re: #255 Nevergiveup

Well if he gets depressed and tries to kill himself again, there is always Niagara Falls.


Some guy is supposed to attempt a jump off the falls on a jet ski....maybe he can give TO a lift.

259 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:42:04pm

re: #248 Nevergiveup

Nope. I'm not a fan of leather. I just wanted to point out the absurdity of our elected officials. Especially on morality issues, these guys fire from the hip without thinking about how silly they look. All because the local networks want a sound bite. Look at the joke that Ted Stevens was when he tried to talk about the Internet a few years ago. Stay out of my bedroom, stay out of my gun cabinet, and stay off my internet.

260 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:42:17pm

re: #257 Salamantis

He shoulda signed with Pittburgh.

I can just imagine Terrible Terrell with a Terrible Towel.

Or maybe Oakland; the Raiders have a habit of making misfits, bigmouths, and assholes work for them.

as a Cowboy fan I'm just glad he's gone...to the AFC is even better

261 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:42:28pm

Po' po' wittle bawack:

Barack Obama's offhand approach to Gordon Brown's Washington visit last week came about because the president was facing exhaustion over America's economic crisis and is unable to focus on foreign affairs, the Sunday Telegraph has been told.

262 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:42:36pm

No. 4 Pitt upends No. 1 UConn for second time this season

I see UNC being #1 going into the tournament!

263 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:43:14pm

re: #259 ConservatismNow!

Nope. I'm not a fan of leather. I just wanted to point out the absurdity of our elected officials. Especially on morality issues, these guys fire from the hip without thinking about how silly they look. All because the local networks want a sound bite. Look at the joke that Ted Stevens was when he tried to talk about the Internet a few years ago. Stay out of my bedroom, stay out of my gun cabinet, and stay off my internet.

I'm with ya.

264 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:43:39pm

re: #259 ConservatismNow!

Nope. I'm not a fan of leather. I just wanted to point out the absurdity of our elected officials. Especially on morality issues, these guys fire from the hip without thinking about how silly they look. All because the local networks want a sound bite. Look at the joke that Ted Stevens was when he tried to talk about the Internet a few years ago. Stay out of my bedroom, stay out of my gun cabinet, and stay off my internet.

I think that BD. :D

265 BignJames  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:44:13pm

re: #262 Nevergiveup


Heels got Duke tomorrow.

266 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:44:28pm

re: #261 pink freud

Po' po' wittle bawack:

Barack Obama's offhand approach to Gordon Brown's Washington visit last week came about because the president was facing exhaustion over America's economic crisis and is unable to focus on foreign affairs, the Sunday Telegraph has been told.


How about he quite flying around the country and keep his ass in the White House, and not stay up late partying all night.

Just for starters.

267 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:44:30pm

re: #265 BignJames

Heels got Duke tomorrow.

What time is the game.

268 gmsc  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:44:39pm

Money is fleeing out of the markets like they have BO!

Oh, wait....

269 brookly red  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:44:40pm

re: #261 pink freud

Po' po' wittle bawack:

Barack Obama's offhand approach to Gordon Brown's Washington visit last week came about because the president was facing exhaustion over America's economic crisis and is unable to focus on foreign affairs, the

Well screwing some 300 million people would exhaust anyone...

270 Salamantis  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:44:58pm

re: #262 Nevergiveup

No. 4 Pitt upends No. 1 UConn for second time this season

I see UNC being #1 going into the tournament!

Tyler Hansbrough is a certain future NBA star.

271 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:45:01pm

Here's a common theme to the Obamites and ID'rs, and it's a generational thing, a sign of our times - they don't really care if they are right.

Some years ago now I read a characterization of the modern workforce, I think it was more for Gen-X'rs (post-boomers) than for later comers, that they believed in "roles not goals". They see any task as something they *do*, without much concern with the end-results (this being in contrast to the greatest generation, that did things, and the boomer generation that believe in MBO - management by objectives). Of course, so many kids were taught in school, and so they believe as adults. So, an ID'r can advocate some silly anti-scientific position, because it feels good. They cannot see that it matters what is objectively correct. They don't grok objectively. But I rant this way more along the lines of Obama's continuing skein of pathologically stupid actions. He wants to reach out to X, Y, and Z. Why, because it will work, or because he wants to be a reacher? The later, I am afraid. He simply has no concept of results. What do y'all think of that?

272 BignJames  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:45:13pm

re: #267 Nevergiveup

What time is the game.

430....I think.

273 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:45:16pm

re: #267 Nevergiveup

What time is the game.

4 eastern

274 Bloodnok  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:45:47pm

re: #261 pink freud

Po' po' wittle bawack:

Barack Obama's offhand approach to Gordon Brown's Washington visit last week came about because the president was facing exhaustion over America's economic crisis and is unable to focus on foreign affairs, the Sunday Telegraph has been told.

Now he's insulting their intelligence.

275 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:45:53pm

re: #264 pink freud

Chainmail is so much cooler.

276 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:46:42pm

re: #270 Salamantis

Tyler Hansbrough is a certain future NBA star.

Actually I am not so sure about that. Great college player but? He is not quite big or fast or a good enough shooter. We'll see. I doubt he even gets drafted that high.

277 bellamags  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:46:54pm

Kirsten Powers pisses me off. Queen of smug.

278 gmsc  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:47:07pm

re: #274 Bloodnok

Now he's insulting their intelligence.

You could've stopped two words earlier, and still be right.

279 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:48:17pm

re: #272 BignJames

430....I think.

I have to get up and be on the road tomorrow by 4:00AM and get to the base by 7. But I may be out by 1 or 2 and home by 4 for the game.

280 callahan23  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:50:16pm

re: #237 danrudy

Not sure if this was referred to yet but is lead story on yahooViolent proetests in Sweden over Davis Cup Israel -Sweden match

Sounds like the "youths" are out again

I make it now officially my own personal boycott of all things concerning Sweden and Norway. My fist will stay clenchy, no negotiations possible.

281 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:51:14pm

From WAPO, no less:

George W. Obama?

"Washington has spent the past couple of weeks debating whether Barack Obama's ambitious agenda and political strategy are more comparable to those of Franklin Roosevelt or Ronald Reagan. Oddly, hardly anyone is talking about the ways in which Obama is beginning to resemble the man who just vacated the White House."

/those circling jackals are starting to bare their teeth.

282 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:51:50pm

re: #275 ConservatismNow!

It is, indeed.

283 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:52:00pm

re: #281 pink freud

From WAPO, no less:

George W. Obama?

"Washington has spent the past couple of weeks debating whether Barack Obama's ambitious agenda and political strategy are more comparable to those of Franklin Roosevelt or Ronald Reagan. Oddly, hardly anyone is talking about the ways in which Obama is beginning to resemble the man who just vacated the White House."

/those circling jackals are starting to bare their teeth.

What about Jimmah?

284 swamprat  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:52:06pm

re: #280 callahan23

Upding for "clenchy".

285 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:53:43pm

A funny one from Hot Air....
Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown

Mr Brown handed over carefully selected gifts, including a pen holder made from the wood of a warship that helped stamp out the slave trade - a sister ship of the vessel from which timbers were taken to build Mr Obama's Oval Office desk. Mr Obama's gift in return, a collection of Hollywood film DVDs that could have been bought from any high street store, looked like the kind of thing the White House might hand out to the visiting head of a minor African state.

Mr Obama rang Mr Brown as he flew home, in what many suspected was an attempt to make amends.

The real views of many in Obama administration were laid bare by a State Department official involved in planning the Brown visit, who reacted with fury when questioned by The Sunday Telegraph about why the event was so low-key.

286 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:54:04pm

re: #283 Nevergiveup

What about Jimmah?

shhhh! Let the man make his point!

287 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:54:08pm

re: #280 callahan23

Really? You're going to boycott Swedish Fish? Who doesn't love a good Swedish Fish. And this.

288 Bloodnok  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:54:21pm

re: #278 gmsc

You could've stopped two words earlier, and still be right.

So are we supposed to be concerned that our President is "unable to focus" on foreign affairs. This is serious, no?

Should we give him 300 more foreign affairs advisors? He has 3 people running around acting as Secretary of State, do we need more?

Does this also mean we can rescind his foreign affairs decisions of the past few weeks since he was not properly focused? Could we say that by making unfocused decisions he is not carrying out his charge to protect the United States?

/Sarcasm, but it illustrates that this bonehead needs to choose his words a lot more carefully. Who knows, more Nirth-type wailing could come of saying something as stupid as this -and we don't need that.

289 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:55:43pm

re: #285 Killgore Trout

A funny one from Hot Air....
Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown

good lord...DVDs?....that's really almost unbelievable...I have no words

290 callahan23  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:56:04pm

re: #284 swamprat

Upding for "clenchy".

Thought that to be a nice little German influence in the line of the German word for cell-phone which is, believe it or not: "Handy" ?!?

291 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:56:30pm

re: #289 albusteve

good lord...DVDs?....that's really almost unbelievable...I have no words

Neither did Gordon Brown.

292 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:57:38pm

re: #291 pink freud

Neither did Gordon Brown.

I had not heard....simply stunning...what an asshole, no sense of propriety at all

293 callahan23  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:57:54pm

re: #287 ConservatismNow!

Really? You're going to boycott Swedish Fish? Who doesn't love a good Swedish Fish. And this.

Well the fermented Swedish Fish I can well do without, but the latter?
Not.

294 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:58:30pm

re: #261 pink freud

Po' po' wittle bawack:

Barack Obama's offhand approach to Gordon Brown's Washington visit last week came about because the president was facing exhaustion over America's economic crisis and is unable to focus on foreign affairs, the Sunday Telegraph has been told.

Too tired?

Sources close to the White House say Mr Obama and his staff have been "overwhelmed" by the economic meltdown and have voiced concerns that the new president is not getting enough rest.

British officials, meanwhile, admit that the White House and US State Department staff were utterly bemused by complaints that the Prime Minister should have been granted full-blown press conference and a formal dinner, as has been customary. They concede that Obama aides seemed unfamiliar with the expectations that surround a major visit by a British prime minister.

But Washington figures with access to Mr Obama's inner circle explained the slight by saying that those high up in the administration have had little time to deal with international matters, let alone the diplomatic niceties of the special relationship.

No time to make friends all over the world. Now where is my waffles?

295 The Shadow Do  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:58:59pm

re: #289 albusteve

good lord...DVDs?....that's really almost unbelievable...I have no words

You know, if he had just tossed in a couple of packs of microwave popcorn everyone would be cool with this...

296 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:59:57pm

The funniest thing has started happening lately. Among the hordes of liberals I come in contact with daily, the only response I am now getting when I ask about their thoughts re the last six weeks goes something like this:

"Oh? Really? I hadn't heard about that. I don't watch the news much lately."

Its started to get funny after I heard that for the twentieth time or so. Verbatim.

Anyone else experiencing this?

297 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:00:09pm

re: #289 albusteve

good lord...DVDs?....that's really almost unbelievable...I have no words

Anyone know what the list of movies were?

298 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:00:39pm

re: #295 The Shadow Do

You know, if he had just tossed in a couple of packs of microwave popcorn everyone would be cool with this...

Actually I think Obama should have given Mass. and Conn. back to the Brits.

299 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:00:44pm

re: #292 albusteve

I had not heard....simply stunning...what an asshole, no sense of propriety at all

Deep down near the marrow, the man is nothing but a punk.

300 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:01:13pm

re: #296 pink freud

The funniest thing has started happening lately. Among the hordes of liberals I come in contact with daily, the only response I am now getting when I ask about their thoughts re the last six weeks goes something like this:

"Oh? Really? I hadn't heard about that. I don't watch the news much lately."

Its started to get funny after I heard that for the twentieth time or so. Verbatim.

Anyone else experiencing this?

OMG...that has happened to me the past few weeks! LMFAO!

301 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:01:16pm
302 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:01:17pm

re: #285 Killgore Trout

Too tired? He wouldn't have had much to do other than show up for whatever could have been organized to in "proper" fashion to meet with his socialist peer from across the pond.

The article mentions that it might have something to do with him attempting to give up smoking. I have a suggestion for Obama. Smoke more, talk less, fire most of the morons you hired for you administration and start all over again.

303 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:01:46pm

re: #294 NJDhockeyfan

No time to make friends all over the world. Now where is my waffles?

Oh, he's making friends, alright.

304 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:01:48pm

re: #289 albusteve

It's very embarrassing. It's not really Obama's fault though, there should be protocol officers who handle that sort of thing. It's a sign of serious organizational problems. Historically wars have started over stuff like this. Very bad.

305 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:01:55pm

re: #297 NJDhockeyfan

Anyone know what the list of movies were?

Movies about The American Revolution

306 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:02:19pm

re: #304 Killgore Trout

Precisely.

/Hope that's not an overused word. //

307 Bobblehead  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:02:29pm

re: #296 pink freud

The funniest thing has started happening lately. Among the hordes of liberals I come in contact with daily, the only response I am now getting when I ask about their thoughts re the last six weeks goes something like this:

"Oh? Really? I hadn't heard about that. I don't watch the news much lately."

Its started to get funny after I heard that for the twentieth time or so. Verbatim.

Anyone else experiencing this?

The Obamists at my office have been very quiet as of late. Too busy calculating the beatings their 401ks are taking.

308 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:02:29pm
309 gmsc  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:03:08pm

re: #297 NJDhockeyfan

Anyone know what the list of movies were?

Roger & Me
American History X
Loose Change
...

;)

310 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:03:13pm

re: #297 NJDhockeyfan

Anyone know what the list of movies were?

probably a bunch of cheezy blaxploitation crap....SHAFT!...his hee ro

311 stevieray  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:03:13pm

re: #296 pink freud

Yep.

312 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:03:17pm

re: #301 ploome hineni

what I get is these problems are inherited from BUsh, and give him a chance

That was the first few weeks around here. This new thing has been the last week ...it's new.

313 The Shadow Do  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:03:17pm

re: #298 screaming_eagle

Actually I think Obama should have given Mass. and Conn. back to the Brits.

Yes, and a pack of milk duds.

314 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:03:28pm
315 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:04:23pm
316 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:04:29pm

re: #304 Killgore Trout

It's very embarrassing. It's not really Obama's fault though, there should be protocol officers who handle that sort of thing. It's a sign of serious organizational problems. Historically wars have started over stuff like this. Very bad.

Team Obama....I'm really stunned with this story, I missed it til now

317 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:04:49pm

Three more Obama nominees withdraw from running

Three of Barack Obama's nominations for key government positions have withdrawn from the running on a single day in another blow to his faltering attempts to fill his administration.

This is getting pretty embarrassing. This new administrations is becoming a laughing stock.

318 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:05:04pm
319 Bobblehead  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:05:16pm

re: #314 ploome hineni

of course it is Obam's fault....he is an adult and his tratment of Brown was designed to insult

You know that whole incident really surprised me. I thought those two uberlibs would get along famously.

320 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:05:35pm

re: #304 Killgore Trout

It's very embarrassing. It's not really Obama's fault though, there should be protocol officers who handle that sort of thing. It's a sign of serious organizational problems. Historically wars have started over stuff like this. Very bad.

Not Obama's fault!? You're kidding, right? Is the man really that stupid?

If you gave a suckass gift to an esteemed guest and everyone knew it was suckass, would you say it wasn't your fault? Whose would it be?

321 callahan23  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:05:44pm

re: #296 pink freud

The funniest thing has started happening lately. Among the hordes of liberals I come in contact with daily, the only response I am now getting when I ask about their thoughts re the last six weeks goes something like this:

"Oh? Really? I hadn't heard about that. I don't watch the news much lately."

Its started to get funny after I heard that for the twentieth time or so. Verbatim.

Anyone else experiencing this?

Yes. quite a lot.
And the biggest irony was when a guy asked my political analysis and repeatedly said "How interesting, so much of what you are saying is new to me, as I don't follow the news" he went on to state that that he considered himself to be wise!

322 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:05:56pm
323 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:06:00pm

re: #304 Killgore Trout

Historically wars have started over stuff like this. Very bad.

Let's hope that a collection of Mel Gibson's "I play some guy sticking it to the British" films were not included in the DVDs.

324 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:06:17pm

re: #308 ploome hineni

we knew he was a lowclass thug, when he gave the finger on national TV during a speach

Twice.

325 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:06:28pm

re: #319 Bobblehead

You know that whole incident really surprised me. I thought those two uberlibs would get along famously.

Yeah, like all those revolutionaries in 1787 France got along with each other ... like Lenin and Trotsky, ...

326 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:06:35pm

re: #310 albusteve

probably a bunch of cheezy blaxploitation crap....SHAFT!...his hee ro

BTW...DVDs from the USA don't work on UK DVD players.

327 brookly red  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:06:40pm

re: #298 screaming_eagle

Actually I think Obama should have given Mass. and Conn. back to the Brits.

No can do... part of the colateral on our loan from China. /

328 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:07:20pm
329 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:07:23pm

re: #317 NJDhockeyfan

Three more Obama nominees withdraw from running

This is getting pretty embarrassing. This new administrations is becoming a laughing stock.

Geithner is really taking a hit....they are all toxic....and it's trickling down to the public....we have no Treasury Dept....none

330 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:08:42pm
331 Bobblehead  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:08:47pm

re: #317 NJDhockeyfan

Three more Obama nominees withdraw from running

This is getting pretty embarrassing. This new administrations is becoming a laughing stock.

No one wants their name associated with the clown college the Whitehouse has become. I didn't think it could get any worse than Bill Clinton. Was I wrong. Rush should have a field day with the poor tired little Barack meme come next week.

332 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:09:05pm

Question...

How do you create a spinoff link?

333 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:09:07pm

re: #326 NJDhockeyfan

BTW...DVDs from the USA don't work on UK DVD players.

drink coasters...stunning isn't it?

334 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:09:39pm

re: #314 ploome hineni

Well, yes it's his fault for the organizational failure of his team but he doesn't personally go shopping for gifts. I doubt the snub was intentional. I think it was a mistake which is much worse than an intentional insult.

335 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:10:04pm

re: #320 pink freud

Not Obama's fault!? You're kidding, right? Is the man really that stupid?

If you gave a suckass gift to an esteemed guest and everyone knew it was suckass, would you say it wasn't your fault? Whose would it be?

It's Obama's fault in the same way that a Captain is responsible when the ship runs aground while another officer is up on the bridge. I think that is what KT was trying to say. It is obvious that The One's Disciples leave something to be desired.

336 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:10:07pm

re: #332 Gus 802

Question...

How do you create a spinoff link?

first you don your tutu....

337 swamprat  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:10:18pm

re: #296 pink freud

in dull surprise when payment due
Exceeds accounts received

/at 17
for those who don't get the reference

338 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:10:26pm

re: #320 pink freud

See #334

339 axegrinder  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:11:21pm

Even former Enron adviser Paul Krugman, NYT's Bush basher masquerading as an economic adviser has shown some concern over the Obama team's lack of concern and action on our fiscal crisis. Maybe the public tide is turning and soon sanity will prevail. I'm not holding my breath.

340 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:11:24pm

re: #335 CyanSnowHawk

It's Obama's fault in the same way that a Captain is responsible when the ship runs aground while another officer is up on the bridge. I think that is what KT was trying to say. It is obvious that The One's Disciples leave something to be desired.

"here do up this line....what time is it?....OH SHIT!"

341 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:11:36pm

re: #331 Bobblehead

No one wants their name associated with the clown college the Whitehouse has become. I didn't think it could get any worse than Bill Clinton. Was I wrong. Rush should have a field day with the poor tired little Barack meme come next week.

This is a really bad train wreck. I shudder to think about 4 years of this. Yikes!

342 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:12:21pm

re: #335 CyanSnowHawk

I think that is what KT was trying to say. It is obvious that The One's Disciples leave something to be desired.

Thanks. I'm not at all downplaying how bad of a mistake it was. It's very embarrassing on an international level.

343 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:12:36pm

re: #331 Bobblehead

No one wants their name associated with the clown college the Whitehouse has become. I didn't think it could get any worse than Bill Clinton. Was I wrong. Rush should have a field day with the poor tired little Barack meme come next week.

Sanjay Gupta is a class act and adored by the libs. His rejection of the offer for Attorney General opened some eyes, I think. He's keeping his skirts clean and all there is is speculation as to why, but he's the first apparently "clean" candidate who said NO. Sorta amps it up a bit. That one stung.

344 reine.de.tout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:12:44pm

re: #304 Killgore Trout

It's very embarrassing. It's not really Obama's fault though, there should be protocol officers who handle that sort of thing. It's a sign of serious organizational problems. Historically wars have started over stuff like this. Very bad.

There is a "protocol office" I believe. My feeling is that Obama either ignored it or didn't consult with them, or perhaps, as you said, there is a serious organizational problem there.

Today, I saw this story:Great news: Obama fumbled Brown visit because he’s in over his head

345 Olderthandirt  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:12:58pm

re: #306 Gus 802 "/Hope" No, not yet overused, simply poorly used.

A word that's should be highly used is: "F%$#ed Up," as in FU. Of course, there should be a slightly less offensive version used quite often by the MSM, assuming they'll even begin to criticize their Messiah.

Having said that: Keep it up. Let's continue to be Conservative Strong here.

346 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:13:07pm

re: #342 Killgore Trout

Thanks. I'm not at all downplaying how bad of a mistake it was. It's very embarrassing on an international level.

I understand KT...the problem is pervasive at best

347 BignJames  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:13:37pm

re: #332 Gus 802

Question...

How do you create a spinoff link?


Click on top rated links......post link

348 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:13:39pm

re: #334 Killgore Trout

Well, yes it's his fault for the organizational failure of his team but he doesn't personally go shopping for gifts. I doubt the snub was intentional. I think it was a mistake which is much worse than an intentional insult.

I disagree. An intentional snub is much worse than a "mistake".

349 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:14:14pm

re: #347 BignJames

Click on top rated links......post link

OK, thanks James.

350 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:14:15pm

Obama should party less and get more sleep. He might get more done then.

/Just a thought.

351 The Shadow Do  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:14:25pm

re: #334 Killgore Trout

Well, yes it's his fault for the organizational failure of his team but he doesn't personally go shopping for gifts. I doubt the snub was intentional. I think it was a mistake which is much worse than an intentional insult.

Killgore, he personally elected to not have a state dinner. You don't put that on staff. This is what happens when an incompetent is put in a position of authority, every time.

352 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:14:36pm

re: #347 BignJames

Click on top rated links......post link

actually Gus 802...I do not know

353 brookly red  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:14:45pm

re: #334 Killgore Trout

Well, yes it's his fault for the organizational failure of his team but he doesn't personally go shopping for gifts. I doubt the snub was intentional. I think it was a mistake which is much worse than an intentional insult.

Soooo, the autographed family portrait he was going to give the French is probably being "re-thunk" about now?

354 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:15:25pm

re: #352 albusteve

That's OK. Got the scoop now.

355 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:15:42pm

re: #348 pink freud

An intentional insult would at least mean that Obama and his team know what they are doing. If it's a mistake then they have no control over their action much less the unintended consequences.

356 swamprat  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:16:05pm

(head hitting desk)

We are so screwed. Big O, I wish you all the luck in the world. God knows you need it.

357 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:16:38pm

re: #350 NJDhockeyfan

Obama should party less and get more sleep. He might get more done then.

/Just a thought.

somebody has a pie chart...there will no excuses when the shit hits the fan....I hope Rush takes him down

358 swamprat  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:16:57pm

re: #353 brookly red


And free subscription to the family newsletter!

359 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:17:09pm
360 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:17:17pm

re: #342 Killgore Trout

Thanks. I'm not at all downplaying how bad of a mistake it was. It's very embarrassing on an international level.

I'll give this to Obama, he sure is uniting the International Community and the VRWC. We all think he's an embarrassment.

361 DEZes  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:17:36pm

Obama just flat out could care less who he snubs or insults, his past actions bear this out.

362 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:17:42pm

re: #358 swamprat

And free subscription to the family newsletter!

doggie pics!

363 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:18:10pm

re: #357 albusteve

somebody has a pie chart...there will no excuses when the shit hits the fan....I hope Rush takes him down

Whoever has the pie better keep it away from the fan.

364 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:18:18pm

Sarah Brown’s very British fashion gift for Michelle Obama

As if slumber parties in the White House and secret visits from the Jonas Brothers weren't enough to bring little Malia and Sasha Obama kudos (forget their parents for a second), now Sarah Brown's given them the ultimate Briish fashion gift – Topshop clothes! The Prime Minister's wife arrived for her First Ladies' summit with Michelle Obama yesterday bearing a dress and necklace from Topshop, which has yet to launch in the US.

How thoughtful of Mrs. Brown. And how did Michelle reciprocate? She sent an aide to the White House gift shop with $30. How cool is that?

First Lady Michelle Obama shows even she has a gift for the gaffe

In return Mrs Obama gave the Brown children, Fraser and John, two toy models of Marine One, the Presidential helicopter. Fair enough on the helicopter part, always a popular choice with small boys; but Marine One? It’s not as though anyone needs reminding that Barack Obama is President or that he has his own helicopter. Short of giving the boys Action Man models of her own husband smiting the evil forces of neoconservatism, Mrs Obama’s gesture could not have been more solipsistic or more inherently dismissive of Mrs Brown.

Not only did she demonstrate that she spent approximately three seconds contemplating the needs of the Brown boys (having an aide pop to the White House gift shop for a piece of merchandising does not imply a great deal of thought), she appeared to show a most uncharacteristic lapse of judgment.

/Classy

365 gmsc  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:18:39pm

Does anyone have a list of 0bama appointees (not just cabinet appointees, but any appointees) who did not get their position for one reason or another (scandal, withdrew, replaced by the administration, etc.)?

Here are the ones I've found (in no particular order):

Bill Richardson
Tom Daschle
Judd Gregg
Annette Nazareth
Paul Volcker
Dr Sanjay Gupta
Nancy Killefer
Anthony Zinni
Caroline Atkinson

If anyone else knows of more (or has corrections), please add to this list!

366 nyc redneck  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:18:58pm

re: #285 Killgore Trout

A funny one from Hot Air....
Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown

well, o has apologized again.
let's see if gordon brown will feel sorry foe him and unclench.

367 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:19:02pm

Whatever happened to a military welcome? Put together an honor guard, military band, etc. No wait. This is Barack Obama we're talking about.

368 gmsc  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:19:10pm

re: #356 swamprat

(head hitting desk)

We are so screwed. Big O, I wish you all the luck in the world. God knows you need it.

If 0bama is relying on luck, he's in the wrong job by definition.

369 The Shadow Do  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:19:47pm

re: #361 DEZes

Obama just flat out could care less who he snubs or insults, his past actions bear this out.

I think that's right, Taliban and Mullahs excepted of course.

370 Bobblehead  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:19:48pm

Didn't this photo of Chief of Clowns say it all? Totally classless.

371 BignJames  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:19:49pm

re: #364 Killian Bundy


Can you re-post that "Is Obama Lazy?" link you posted earlier?

372 reine.de.tout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:19:58pm

There is a position of Chief of Protocol.

Website.

373 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:20:45pm

re: #365 gmsc

Does anyone have a list of 0bama appointees (not just cabinet appointees, but any appointees) who did not get their position for one reason or another (scandal, withdrew, replaced by the administration, etc.)?

Here are the ones I've found (in no particular order):

Bill Richardson
Tom Daschle
Judd Gregg
Annette Nazareth
Paul Volcker
Dr Sanjay Gupta
Nancy Killefer
Anthony Zinni
Caroline Atkinson

If anyone else knows of more (or has corrections), please add to this list!

there will ultimately be more turndownees than jobs!....CHANGE!

374 DEZes  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:20:48pm

re: #369 The Shadow Do

I think that's right, Taliban and Mullahs excepted of course.


I stand corrected. ;)

375 Bloodnok  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:21:12pm

re: #344 reine.de.tout

There is a "protocol office" I believe. My feeling is that Obama either ignored it or didn't consult with them, or perhaps, as you said, there is a serious organizational problem there.

Today, I saw this story:Great news: Obama fumbled Brown visit because he’s in over his head

Exactly. The guy didn't even have time to organize his Senate Office (or his committee) before he abandoned it to run for President. He's never managed anyone or anything. This is that Executive experience that was so unimportant during the campaign.

It insults me to hear anyone associated with the President to say he is "surprised" at the volume of work. He knew how much work it was. He is just too "Dr. Philled" to admit to himself that he is just not talented enough to do it.

376 brookly red  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:21:38pm

re: #358 swamprat

And free subscription to the family newsletter!

Oooooh, I think it takes 3 to 6 weeks to unsubscribe.....

377 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:21:41pm

re: #372 reine.de.tout

There is a position of Chief of Protocol.

Website.

Goldie Hawn would likely do better than the person there now.

378 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:21:53pm

re: #371 BignJames

Can you re-post that "Is Obama Lazy?" link you posted earlier?

Is Obama lazy?

All we're getting is whispers from the press, of course, A raised eyebrow here, a sad shake of the head there. But the picture that is emerging of Barack Obama, the executive, is not very flattering if you look between the lines.

It's only been a month and a half.

/we are so [expletive deleted]!

379 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:22:09pm

re: #355 Killgore Trout

An intentional insult would at least mean that Obama and his team know what they are doing. If it's a mistake then they have no control over their action much less the unintended consequences.

I agree --> An intentional insult would at least mean that Obama and his team know what they are doing.

But ...this is not a debutante ball situation. I think of ALL of the players on board here -- starting with Hillary herself -- and including all of the former Clinton players he has surrounded himself with ....they all knew what a snub this would be and did it anyway. If your point were valid, we would have seen the same type of thing coming from the Clinton admin, but we did not.

I refuse to sit by and give these idiots who are supposed to be at the helm of this ship a pass for "mistakes" and their unintended consequences.

One more thing ....do you also believe the returning of the Churchill bust was a "mistake", or do you consider that to be an intentional snub?

380 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:22:24pm

re: #376 brookly red

Oooooh, I think it takes 3 to 6 weeks to unsubscribe.....

they will call you every night at dinner for two years....begging

381 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:23:02pm

re: #359 ploome hineni

the snub was another version of the finger.....somthing he could slip in and as a bonus

play the disengnuous if called on this atrocious behavior

/given Nobamas attituded and behavior, on what basis do you doubet the intent of his actions...NObama is very deliberate in his speech and he sure didn;t get this far making stupid mistakes

A thousand updings ...exactly!

382 BignJames  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:23:17pm

re: #378 Killian Bundy

Thanks.

383 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:23:40pm

OT

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

President Obama has chided his attorney general, Eric H. Holder Jr., for describing America as a “nation of cowards” when discussing race, wading into a tumult that flared over Mr. Holder’s indictment of the way this country talks about ethnicity
“I think it’s fair to say that if I had been advising my attorney general, we would have used different language,”

AMATUER HOUR ,,, we are embatking on 4 long years of AMATUER HOUR

TED MACK ,,,, PAGING TED MACK !

384 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:23:59pm

re: #372 reine.de.tout

There is a position of Chief of Protocol.

Website.

Anyone have a backgrounder on Gladys Boluda?

Actually, you know what boluda means in spanish? It's kind of like lazy, dumb, jerk, stupid. Feminine form of boludo.

385 tackle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:24:16pm

re: #304 Killgore Trout

It's very embarrassing. It's not really Obama's fault though, there should be protocol officers who handle that sort of thing. It's a sign of serious organizational problems. Historically wars have started over stuff like this. Very bad.


Admittedly the timing is bad after Bush put on such a great show for the Queen last year.
I mean, who was he expecting, Hugh Grant?
That's the thing. There are countless appointments he has not yet made. Those he has made have been poor. No one is vetting. He's chronically late, he's tired, he's trying to micromanage everything. He's in over his head.
Change!

386 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:24:47pm

Or as my father says, "Che boludo!"

387 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:25:03pm

One more thing ....do you also believe the returning of the Churchill bust was a "mistake", or do you consider that to be an intentional snub?

that was permanently on loan to the American people....he had no ethical right to do that....fucking punk...THAT really pisses me

388 brookly red  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:25:09pm

re: #380 albusteve

they will call you every night at dinner for two years....begging

now THAT is funny!

389 DEZes  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:25:13pm

re: #385 tackle
He is over his pay grade.

390 TheMatrix31  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:26:02pm

re: #378 Killian Bundy

It's only been a month and a half.

/we are so [expletive deleted]!

Because he's a FIGUREHEAD for others and their ridiculous agendas! I mean jeez, did people REALLLLLLY not see this coming? How could we (and a few others) have been the only ones? I have no doubt in my mind that people like Ayers, ACORN (he already admitted as such) are shaping policy.

391 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:26:48pm

re: #372 reine.de.tout

Acting Chief of Protocol Gladys Boluda

Gladys might want to dust off her resume.

392 tackle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:27:00pm

re: #364 Killian Bundy

Sarah Brown’s very British fashion gift for Michelle Obama

/Classy

Well, they have a cool, misspelled "reset" button that's not being used. They could've used that.

393 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:27:11pm
394 callahan23  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:27:16pm

re: #386 Gus 802

Or as my father says, "Che boludo!"

Is he Argentinian?
Che, que hijo de p... .
/

395 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:27:49pm

re: #390 TheMatrix31

Because he's a FIGUREHEAD for others and their ridiculous agendas! I mean jeez, did people REALLLLLLY not see this coming? How could we (and a few others) have been the only ones? I have no doubt in my mind that people like Ayers, ACORN (he already admitted as such) are shaping policy.

One person, and oner person only! Rahm Emanual!

396 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:28:18pm

re: #394 callahan23

Yep. Buenos Aires.

Che! Pibe!

//

397 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:28:29pm

Not THAT che.

398 tackle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:28:35pm

re: #389 DEZes

He is over his pay grade.

He couldn't organize my kid's birthday party. Well, not without government funding.

399 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:28:48pm
400 doppelganglander  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:29:24pm

re: #365 gmsc

The only solution is a reality show. Take a couple dozen candidates and lock them up in a mansion/drop them on an island/send them on a long, pointless trip with no money. They could call it Barack My Cabinet, or maybe Who Wants to be Secretary of Commerce/Health and Human Services/Anything, please, we're begging here.

401 DEZes  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:29:42pm

re: #398 tackle

He couldn't organize my kid's birthday party. Well, not without government funding.


I wouldnt let the asshat do it either way. ;)

402 tackle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:29:43pm

re: #399 ploome hineni

It was so fitting that the Brits gave us a bust of Churchill who showed us how to stand firm unafraid in the face of attcak

and the keep fighting in the darest days, until victory

that is what Nobama thew back at the Brits

Wonder if he's going to give the Statue of Liberty back to the French.

403 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:30:07pm

re: #400 doppelganglander

That might actually be an improvement.

404 callahan23  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:30:15pm

re: #397 Gus 802

Not THAT che.

I know, I know. All is well.
Lived there myself. Born across the La Plata.

405 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:30:20pm

aside from the market (where I am getting my ass kicked)....BO may be more fucked than us the people....he may literally come unglued and go thru the roof one day....once it becomes novel to criticize him it will come in a blizzard and overwhelm him...when the public finds out he is a Thorazine junkie all holy friggin hell will break loose

406 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:30:55pm

re: #395 sattv4u2

One person, and oner person only! Rahm Emanual!

CHILDREN.

407 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:30:58pm

re: #320 pink freud

Not Obama's fault!? You're kidding, right? Is the man really that stupid?

If you gave a suckass gift to an esteemed guest and everyone knew it was suckass, would you say it wasn't your fault? Whose would it be?

The buck stopped somewhere else, baby.

408 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:32:01pm

re: #404 callahan23

Uruguay? My father's side were there for a bit.

409 doppelganglander  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:32:05pm

re: #384 Gus 802

Anyone have a backgrounder on Gladys Boluda?

Actually, you know what boluda means in spanish? It's kind of like lazy, dumb, jerk, stupid. Feminine form of boludo.

Whoever she is, she started on January 20th. I seriously doubt she's prepared for the job.

410 brookly red  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:32:07pm

re: #392 tackle

Well, they have a cool, misspelled "reset" button that's not being used. They could've used that.

You know, I don't think this button thing is going to go away... perhaps red buttons that say "recall" are next.

411 Bloodnok  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:32:20pm

re: #407 debutaunt

The buck stopped somewhere else, baby.

Obama has a sign on his desk. Post No Bucks

412 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:32:20pm

re: #399 ploome hineni

It was so fitting that the Brits gave us a bust of Churchill who showed us how to stand firm unafraid in the face of attcak

and the keep fighting in the darest days, until victory

that is what Nobama thew back at the Brits

indeed...very telling, since he could just as easily let it set there or moved it or whatever....calculated insult

413 The Shadow Do  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:32:28pm

Maybe President Obama will have learned his lessons and therefore be a splendid president in his next term!

/if I only had a brain....

414 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:32:51pm

re: #405 albusteve

aside from the market (where I am getting my ass kicked)....BO may be more fucked than us the people....he may literally come unglued and go thru the roof one day....once it becomes novel to criticize him it will come in a blizzard and overwhelm him...when the public finds out he is a Thorazine junkie all holy friggin hell will break loose

I have this mental image of him curled up in the fetal position at night, Michelle holding him, and he is whining "Why won't they all just leave me alooonnnnne!"

415 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:32:52pm

re: #391 Killgore Trout

Gladys might want to dust off her resume.

Not to worry, the dust should fall off when she's tossed out on her ass.

/What do you mean "IF"?

416 tackle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:33:09pm

re: #410 brookly red

You know, I don't think this button thing is going to go away... perhaps red buttons that say "recall" are next.

I wish this election had a reset button.

417 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:33:13pm

re: #336 albusteve

first you don your tutu....


and turn on your webcam...

418 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:33:39pm

re: #411 Bloodnok

Obama has a sign on his desk. Post No Bucks

Bucks Collected Here....

419 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:33:47pm

re: #411 Bloodnok

Obama has a sign on his desk. Post No Bucks

Or an alternate:

The Buck Starts Here

420 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:33:47pm

re: #398 tackle

That's a big birthday party.

421 twincitiesgirl  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:33:56pm

Congratulations Charles. Your site has done a lot to undo the negative stereotypes the ID folks have given conservatives. You have relentlessly exposed their dishonest tactics and unfounded claims. Although I'm not really a conservative, I tend to vote Republican since the other party was taken over by moonbats over a decade ago.

OT-Is anyone else having problems with the latest Firefox update? Many of the web pages I visit are loading very slowly or not at all. (Firefox 3.0.7)

Barry said this time of crisis is a great opportunity, so I'm trying hard to find mine. I've read the unemployment stats for the last 3 months have been manipulated, and that the true February numbers were so bad they are at depression levels.

Am I the only one who feels like we are on a ship without a captain? Or worse.....with Captain Clueless at the helm.

422 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:34:10pm

re: #411 Bloodnok

Obama has a sign on his desk. Post No Bucks

I thought it said "All your bucks belong to me."

423 tackle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:34:53pm

re: #420 ConservatismNow!

That's a big birthday party.

Yes, Barney Frank is going to jump out of a cake.

424 Bloodnok  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:35:04pm

re: #421 twincitiesgirl

Congratulations Charles. Your site has done a lot to undo the negative stereotypes the ID folks have given conservatives. You have relentlessly exposed their dishonest tactics and unfounded claims. Although I'm not really a conservative, I tend to vote Republican since the other party was taken over by moonbats over a decade ago.

OT-Is anyone else having problems with the latest Firefox update? Many of the web pages I visit are loading very slowly or not at all. (Firefox 3.0.7)

Barry said this time of crisis is a great opportunity, so I'm trying hard to find mine. I've read the unemployment stats for the last 3 months have been manipulated, and that the true February numbers were so bad they are at depression levels.

Am I the only one who feels like we are on a ship without a captain? Or worse.....with Captain Clueless at the helm.

We have a captain. He's just somewhere muttering something about strawberries at the moment.

425 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:35:25pm

re: #364 Killian Bundy

In return Mrs Obama gave the Brown children, Fraser and John, two toy models of Marine One, the Presidential helicopter. Fair enough on the helicopter part, always a popular choice with small boys; but Marine One? It’s not as though anyone needs reminding that Barack Obama is President or that he has his own helicopter. Short of giving the boys Action Man models of her own husband smiting the evil forces of neoconservatism, Mrs Obama’s gesture could not have been more solipsistic or more inherently dismissive of Mrs Brown.


Ouch. How embarrassing. Unlike Rush I don't wish for Obama to fail. I really hope the White House gets its shit together soon to avoid more international embarrassments. This is really bad.

426 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:35:43pm

re: #414 pink freud

I have this mental image of him curled up in the fetal position at night, Michelle holding him, and he is whining "Why won't they all just leave me alooonnnnne!"

he'll be at a presser and a pacifier will fall out of his pocket....

427 nyc redneck  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:35:46pm

O is not subject to same rules as the rest of us.
he has gotten away w/ the most outrageous disrespectful behavior.
the people of this country need to take a good look at this hack
thru a lens that doesn't detect race.
that's what martin luther king wanted.

428 DEZes  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:35:51pm

re: #423 tackle

Yes, Barney Frank is going to jump out of a cake.


AH CRAP!

429 TedStriker  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:36:07pm

re: #310 albusteve

probably a bunch of cheezy blaxploitation crap....SHAFT!...his hee ro

Don't you be dissing Shaft, because he was a bad mother....

/Shut your mouth! ;-P

430 callahan23  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:36:55pm

re: #408 Gus 802

Uruguay? My father's side were there for a bit.

Yep, natural born citizen. Parents moved to Buenos Aires before my birth and because of family living in Montevideo they figured it to be nicer to have me being born there. I have double nationality together with the German one.

431 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:37:11pm

re: #424 Bloodnok

We have a captain. He's just somewhere muttering something about strawberries at the moment.

Nice Caine Mutiny reference.

432 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:37:13pm

re: #423 tackle

Yes, Barney Frank is going to jump out of a cake.

Baaaaaaad mental image.

433 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:37:39pm

re: #423 tackle

I ought to downding you for that mental image.

434 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:37:40pm

re: #432 screaming_eagle

Baaaaaaad mental image.

Try it without the thong.

435 doppelganglander  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:37:53pm

re: #414 pink freud

I have this mental image of him curled up in the fetal position at night, Michelle holding him, and he is whining "Why won't they all just leave me alooonnnnne!"

That is too funny. I think he honestly expected there to be very little work except posing for pictures and speaking from a teleprompter.

436 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:38:19pm
437 Dustyvet  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:38:21pm

Image: 164283.jpg

438 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:38:52pm

re: #378 Killian Bundy

It's only been a month and a half.

/we are so [expletive deleted]!

Bush was mocked for saying how hard they all were working.

439 Dustyvet  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:39:00pm

re: #432 screaming_eagle

Baaaaaaad mental image.

BRAIN BLEACH ALERT...


/S

440 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:39:11pm

re: #429 talon_262

Don't you be dissing Shaft, because he was a bad mother....

/Shut your mouth! ;-P

I admit I don't really know what I'm talkin about there...

441 Bobblehead  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:39:56pm

re: #421 twincitiesgirl

I think these guys could do a better job.

442 DEZes  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:39:57pm

re: #440 albusteve

I admit I don't really know what I'm talkin about there...


Shaft theme song.

443 nyc redneck  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:40:28pm

re: #393 ploome hineni

he gave the finger to everything Churchill stands for

that is exactly who O is.
and by giving churchill the finger, O gives us the finger too.
he has been doing it officially since he was sworn in.

444 monkeytime  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:40:36pm

re: #423 tackle

Yes, Barney Frank is going to jump out of a cake.

As bad as the image is, I had to give it a cake ding.

445 tackle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:40:38pm

re: #425 Killgore Trout

Ouch. How embarrassing. Unlike Rush I don't wish for Obama to fail. I really hope the White House gets its shit together soon to avoid more international embarrassments. This is really bad.

Obama & Co. ought to bring on Laura Bush as a class consultant.

446 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:41:05pm

re: #445 tackle

Heh. Good idea.

447 gregg  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:41:19pm

Damn, Robert Reich has gone of the deep end:

"Angry right-wing populism lurks just below the surface of the terrible American economy, ready to be launched not only at Obama but also at liberals, intellectuals, gays, blacks, Jews, the mainstream media, coastal elites, crypto socialists, and any other potential target of paranoid opportunity."

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

448 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:41:22pm

re: #430 callahan23

Interesting progression of countries. I was born in BA but came to the United States when I was too small to remember. I've been too lazy to visit which is an answer to a question I always get.

449 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:41:37pm

re: #442 DEZes

Shaft theme song.

yeah I know....otherwise I'm not much of a movie buff...I did see Toy Story tho

450 TedStriker  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:42:07pm

re: #372 reine.de.tout

There is a position of Chief of Protocol.

Website.

And Shirley Temple Black served as Chief of Protocol during the last few months of Ford's term...didn't know that!

451 Zimriel  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:42:21pm

re: #416 tackle

I wish this election had a reset button.

I'd take it back to the primaries. The real damage has been O's air of incompetence, and McCain's "maverick" enough to have said several stupid things by now.

452 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:42:24pm

re: #447 gregg

Same old tired song and dance, isn't it?

453 DEZes  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:42:39pm

re: #449 albusteve

yeah I know....otherwise I'm not much of a movie buff...I did see Toy Story tho


Oh OK, me, I love movies.

454 twincitiesgirl  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:42:54pm

re: #431 ConservatismNow!

Nice Caine Mutiny reference.

Thanks for explaining that. I was trying to place the reference and all I could come up with was something Killgore (I think) said about strawberries during the election. I just googled it.

The Strawberry

455 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:43:02pm

re: #447 gregg

Damn, Robert Reich has gone of the deep end:

"Angry right-wing populism lurks just below the surface of the terrible American economy, ready to be launched not only at Obama but also at liberals, intellectuals, gays, blacks, Jews, the mainstream media, coastal elites, crypto socialists, and any other potential target of paranoid opportunity."

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

Well, if you didn't make us so angry and popular, that wouldn't be a problem now, would it Robert?

456 swamprat  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:43:10pm

All your revenues are belong to us!


/blog did you say?

457 The Shadow Do  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:43:19pm

re: #425 Killgore Trout

Ouch. How embarrassing. Unlike Rush I don't wish for Obama to fail. I really hope the White House gets its shit together soon to avoid more international embarrassments. This is really bad.

I was initially feeling a little magnanimous myself, but only a few weeks in and the scales, the few that remained, have definitely fallen from my eyes. This cat is bad news. I hope he fails miserably and that some check and balance can be put on his radical ass in the next election. The best we can hope for is survival while he holds office.

458 3 wood  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:43:33pm

Good evening.

I think this next week will likely bring the "capitulation" panic selling in the market that the technicians have been looking for.
Stocks face uphill battle as budget, retail sales loom

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- U.S. stock investors have little to look forward to in the week ahead, when Washington budget maneuverings and the unfolding saga of some of America's largest companies are likely to vie with retail-sales data and a handful of corporate earnings.
"The markets will largely move around interpretations of things that moved us before: the impression of things coming out of Washington and the budget debate," said Art Hogan, chief market economist at Jefferies & Co.
Lawmakers are working on a spending bill for the government's operations for the next six months. Investors will be looking for clues of how the budget will affect various industries, like health care, Hogan said.

I figure we will lose another 15% or so off the market. That will put the market down about 35% since Obama was sworn in.

Rumors are starting to move that Obama is thinking about getting rid of Geithner, cause the incompetance it's getting embarassing.

459 Zimriel  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:43:48pm

re: #447 gregg

Damn, Robert Reich has gone of the deep end:

"Angry right-wing populism lurks just below the surface of the terrible American economy, ready to be launched not only at Obama but also at liberals, intellectuals, gays, blacks, Jews, the mainstream media, coastal elites, crypto socialists, and any other potential target of paranoid opportunity."

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

Yeah. But, he's right.

460 Shug  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:43:52pm

Movie Recommendation


Taking Chance on HBO

just have your kleenex handy.

461 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:44:21pm

re: #450 talon_262

And Shirley Temple Black served as Chief of Protocol during the last few months of Ford's term...didn't know that!

Yeah, I remember that was kind of a big hit around the country. If I remember correctly Nixon was usually very good regarding protocol with visiting delegates and heads of state.

462 monkeytime  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:44:40pm

re: #447 gregg

Damn, Robert Reich has gone of the deep end:

"Angry right-wing populism lurks just below the surface of the terrible American economy, ready to be launched not only at Obama but also at liberals, intellectuals, gays, blacks, Jews, the mainstream media, coastal elites, crypto socialists, and any other potential target of paranoid opportunity."

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

Yea, we hate those dern intellectuals, let's git our pitchforks and get em!

463 Bloodnok  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:44:47pm

re: #447 gregg

Damn, Robert Reich has gone of the deep end:

"Angry right-wing populism lurks just below the surface of the terrible American economy, ready to be launched not only at Obama but also at liberals, intellectuals, gays, blacks, Jews, the mainstream media, coastal elites, crypto socialists, and any other potential target of paranoid opportunity."

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

Reich? At his size he could stand in the shallow end and still be in the deep end.

464 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:44:53pm

re: #447 gregg

Damn, Robert Reich has gone of the deep end:

"Angry right-wing populism lurks just below the surface of the terrible American economy, ready to be launched not only at Obama but also at liberals, intellectuals, gays, blacks, Jews, the mainstream media, coastal elites, crypto socialists, and any other potential target of paranoid opportunity."

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

do you suppose he is actually paid to make these observations....I'll kick his ass myself when he shows up at the bunkhouse

465 Zimriel  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:44:56pm

re: #458 3 wood

Good evening.
...
Rumors are starting to move that Obama is thinking about getting rid of Geithner, cause the incompetance it's getting embarassing.

Real rumours, or a Wall Street whispering campaign?

466 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:45:35pm

Good evening Lizards!

467 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:45:44pm

Perhaps next time around, Brown could send Obama a series of motivational posters?

468 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:45:59pm

The First Lady of 1909.

469 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:46:19pm

re: #458 3 wood

Geithner was embarrassing from the onset. He's embarrassing to watch, listen, hear, and read.

470 nyc redneck  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:46:48pm

and the really meaningful and appropriate churchill bust was replaced w/ that
carving of a hand, holding an egg.
this is how O see himself.
he is holding the world btw his fingers.

a true narcissist who has no room for the likeness of a really great man.
a hero.
O resented the image of churchill.

471 monkeytime  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:46:52pm

re: #466 HoosierHoops

Good evening Lizards!

Hi Hoosier!

472 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:46:53pm

Oops, repeating myself there. Listen, hear...

473 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:47:00pm

re: #468 Ojoe

The First Lady of 1909.

for 100$....who's daughter was First Lady?

474 Bobblehead  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:47:22pm

re: #458 3 wood

He gets rid of Geithner, then who's he going to get to replace him? I don't think any one will want to be associated with the mess that's starting to come down on this country.

475 Zimriel  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:47:25pm

re: #427 nyc redneck

O is not subject to same rules as the rest of us.
he has gotten away w/ the most outrageous disrespectful behavior.
the people of this country need to take a good look at this hack
thru a lens that doesn't detect race.
that's what martin luther king wanted.

Martin Luther King may have wanted that; but his more famous son "Junior" wanted "democratic socialism", and that's what we've got.

I'll grant that he likely would have preferred it administered more competently.

476 OldLineTexan  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:47:27pm

re: #461 Gus 802

Yeah, I remember that was kind of a big hit around the country. If I remember correctly Nixon was usually very good regarding protocol with visiting delegates and heads of state.

Nixon got smoked by the press for overly-fancy uniforms for the honor guard, IIRC. "Imperial Presidency", from the title of a book by Schlesinger, was used again and again.

477 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:47:43pm

re: #473 albusteve

I'd have to look that up.

478 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:47:49pm

re: #458 3 wood

Rumors are starting to move that Obama is thinking about getting rid of Geithner, cause the incompetance it's getting embarassing.

I wish we could get rid of 0bama for the same reason.

Thank you for the update, 3wood.

479 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:47:52pm

re: #474 Bobblehead

He gets rid of Geithner, then who's he going to get to replace him? I don't think any one will want to be associated with the mess that's starting to come down on this country.

Larry Kudlow...

480 OldLineTexan  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:48:05pm

re: #463 Bloodnok

Reich? At his size he could stand in the shallow end and still be in the deep end.

He's a one-third Reich?

/

481 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:48:26pm

re: #474 Bobblehead

He gets rid of Geithner, then who's he going to get to replace him? /blockquote>

Homer Simpson

482 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:48:27pm

re: #471 monkeytime

Hi Hoosier!

Good evening MT! how are you tonight?

483 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:49:48pm

re: #473 albusteve

Can you rephrase the question?

484 swamprat  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:49:55pm

we'll manage

Youtube Video
485 Bobblehead  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:50:11pm

re: #481 screaming_eagle

Brilliant! How much worse could old Homer be?

486 callahan23  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:50:19pm

re: #448 Gus 802

Well hello compadre.
Made a practical working year in my mid-twenties in Argentina. And again a short holiday in my mid-thirties. It's well worth a visit. The countryside, the people and the great beef steaks. Not to mention the beautiful chicas.

487 doppelganglander  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:51:05pm

re: #459 Zimriel

Yeah. But, he's right.

Oh, please. Reich is just making stuff up. Since he's never left the Boston-NYC-Washington Corridor, he thinks everyone out in the red states belongs to a militia, if not the Klan. I'm sure we'll soon have roving bands of suburban dads in polo shirts attacking African Americans with weed eaters and edgers. Get a grip.

488 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:51:09pm

re: #483 ConservatismNow!

Can you rephrase the question?

what presidents daughter served as First Lady....I do not know

489 tackle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:51:13pm

re: #481 screaming_eagle

Homer Simpson

Why, is he late on his taxes, too?

490 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:51:59pm

re: #476 OldLineTexan

Nixon got smoked by the press for overly-fancy uniforms for the honor guard, IIRC. "Imperial Presidency", from the title of a book by Schlesinger, was used again and again.

I think that's a good thing for a country which also reflects an old tradition here and around the world. Schlesinger would write something like that. I assume he was negative. Well, that led to the dowdy 70s IMO and everything went down several notches after that.

491 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:52:20pm

re: #487 doppelganglander

Oh, please. Reich is just making stuff up. Since he's never left the Boston-NYC-Washington Corridor, he thinks everyone out in the red states belongs to a militia, if not the Klan. I'm sure we'll soon have roving bands of suburban dads in polo shirts attacking African Americans with weed eaters and edgers. Get a grip.

rioting...burning their golf carts

492 stevieray  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:52:34pm

re: #458 3 wood

Rumors are starting to move that Obama is thinking about getting rid of Geithner, cause the incompetance it's getting embarassing.

Did you see the article about former PM Keating of Australia? He ripped Geithner for his misdiagnosis and mishandling of the SE Asian crisis back in the late nineties.

493 Van Helsing  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:52:40pm

Obama is tired? Tough shit. He knew it was a dangerous job when he took it.

Perhaps he if quit campaigning and started leading (if he is capable of such a thing) perhaps he could get more rest.

Poor, poor baby.

494 3 wood  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:53:10pm

Obama Ponders Outreach to Elements of the Taliban

WASHINGTON — President Obama declared in an interview that the United States was not winning the war in Afghanistan and opened the door to a reconciliation process in which the American military would reach out to moderate elements of the Taliban, much as it did with Sunni militias in Iraq.

The theme song could be "Getting to know you, getting to know all about you."

Buried in the same article from the NY Slimes is this golden nugget:

In a 35-minute conversation with The New York Times aboard Air Force One on Friday, Mr. Obama reviewed the challenges to his young administration. The president said he could not assure Americans the economy would begin growing again this year. But he pledged that he would “get all the pillars in place for recovery this year” and urged Americans not to “stuff money in their mattresses.”

“I don’t think that people should be fearful about our future,” he said. “I don’t think that people should suddenly mistrust all of our financial institutions.”

This from the same guy who has been hollering "catastrophe" since he got in office.

And they wonder why the market has no confidence in this administration.

495 Truck Monkey  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:53:18pm

re: #489 tackle

Why, is he late on his taxes, too?

He does not pay taxes as he is a cartoon character. Making him a perfect fit with all of the other non-tax paying cartoon characters in the administration.

496 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:53:48pm

re: #493 Van Helsing

Obama is tired? Tough shit. He knew it was a dangerous job when he took it.

Perhaps he if quit campaigning and started leading (if he is capable of such a thing) perhaps he could get more rest.

Poor, poor baby.

smoking Kools and doin the rhumba all night long

497 gregg  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:54:01pm

re: #458 3 wood

Rumors are starting to move that Obama is thinking about getting rid of Geithner, cause the incompetance it's getting embarassing.

On the one hand Geithner is bad enough that I guess anything is possible, but to let one of the few appointees to actually get confirmed go within a month or two would be admitting to a level of incompetency that is hard to fathom. I'm betting Obama would rather let the economy crater.

498 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:54:04pm

re: #491 albusteve

rioting...burning their golf carts

Those would be the 'Suburban Youts'.

499 3 wood  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:54:27pm

re: #474 Bobblehead

He gets rid of Geithner, then who's he going to get to replace him? I don't think any one will want to be associated with the mess that's starting to come down on this country.

You could hire a drunk off skid row and you could not do worse.

I'm hearing a rumor, just a rumor mind you, that Paul Volcker is thinking of coming back.

500 Van Helsing  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:54:28pm

re: #494 3 wood

He's a fool. He is still campaigning and doesn't understand that what he says actually matters now.

501 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:55:42pm

re: #498 CyanSnowHawk

Those would be the 'Suburban Youts'.

remember that thread?....OR and Buzz posted some outrageously funny stuff...

502 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:56:43pm

re: #501 albusteve

remember that thread?....OR and Buzz posted some outrageously funny stuff...

I missed it, but the burning golf carts reminded me of the French Youts burning cars.

503 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:57:01pm

re: #486 callahan23

Sounds nice. This morning they were talking about food in LGF which got me thinking about alfajores, dulce de leche, milanesa and empanadas!

504 3 wood  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:57:05pm

re: #465 Zimriel

Real rumours, or a Wall Street whispering campaign?

I would not bring you just Wall Street crap. This is the real deal. Geithner just sits in his office, frozen, afraid to do anything. Every time he talks into a microphone, the market drops like a rock and he now realizes that he does not understand how the market works.

505 Bobblehead  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:57:10pm

Well, all I can say is that Michelle had better spend less time toning her arms and more time supporting her man! LOL

506 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:57:18pm

re: #488 albusteve

Martha Washington Jefferson Randolph. Bless wikipedia. This would have been a tough thing to find anyways

507 Zimriel  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:57:37pm

re: #487 doppelganglander

Oh, please. Reich is just making stuff up. Since he's never left the Boston-NYC-Washington Corridor, he thinks everyone out in the red states belongs to a militia, if not the Klan. I'm sure we'll soon have roving bands of suburban dads in polo shirts attacking African Americans with weed eaters and edgers. Get a grip.

Of course Reich is projecting. Of course when he delivers a litany of imagined right-wing boogy-boos, it's because he's already made a litany of his own (militia, gun nuts, KKK, rich people, Jesus lovers, etc etc) that he keeps more private.

But he's still right.

All Reich has to do to find right-wing populism is to visit some of the sites blacklisted here. Do you imagine that as more conservatives find themselves out of luck that they're not going to focus their ire at Jews - er, "Soros", the MSM, blacks, liberal yuppies and the rest of Reich's projected menagerie?

508 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:57:45pm

re: #499 3 wood

FDIC Chair Sheila Bair went off the reservation this week making noises about FDIC going bust and raising fees on banks becuase the administration wouldn't shore up FDIC insurance. She made a lot of waves and I suspect she might not last long either.

509 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:57:52pm

re: #425 Killgore Trout

Ouch. How embarrassing.

/it's Diplobamacy

510 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:58:07pm

Homer Simpson - Sec of Tres
Bart Simpson - Sec of Ed
Eric Cartmen- Sec of Def
Kenny - Sec of Health+Human Ser

511 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:58:09pm

re: #506 ConservatismNow!

Oh, and she was Thomas Jefferson's daughter. Jefferson was a widower for 8 years, which made her the First Lady

512 Dustyvet  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:58:31pm

re: #496 albusteve

smoking Kools and doin the rhumba all night long

Kools?, And here I thought the "One" All Hat, No Cattle, No Horse, would be sucking on a Marlboro Red.


/S

513 3 wood  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:58:37pm

re: #492 stevieray

Did you see the article about former PM Keating of Australia? He ripped Geithner for his misdiagnosis and mishandling of the SE Asian crisis back in the late nineties.

Yes. I gave Geithner the benefit of the doubt, but he has gone in his face and needs to go.

514 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:59:05pm

re: #510 screaming_eagle

Eric Cartmen- Sec of Def


Now there is some Authority to be respected.

515 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:59:23pm

re: #514 CyanSnowHawk

Now there is some Authority to be respected.

I think we'd run out of bombs.

516 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:00:19pm

re: #502 CyanSnowHawk

I missed it, but the burning golf carts reminded me of the French Youts burning cars.

right...we had this whole alter reality going...upper classes in the streets tossing their martinis etc....very funny stuff

517 TedStriker  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:00:25pm

re: #458 3 wood

Good evening.

I think this next week will likely bring the "capitulation" panic selling in the market that the technicians have been looking for.
Stocks face uphill battle as budget, retail sales loom

I figure we will lose another 15% or so off the market. That will put the market down about 35% since Obama was sworn in.

Rumors are starting to move that Obama is thinking about getting rid of Geithner, cause the incompetance it's getting embarassing.

re: #478 pink freud

I wish we could get rid of 0bama for the same reason.

Thank you for the update, 3wood.

The thing is that Geithner, if Dear Leader and the Dems had the brains and/or common sense, should have never been put up for the job...he may go under the O-Bus yet.

518 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:00:57pm

re: #516 albusteve

right...we had this whole alter reality going...upper classes in the streets tossing their martinis etc....very funny stuff

Sounds good. Sorry I missed that.

519 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:01:32pm

re: #506 ConservatismNow!

Martha Washington Jefferson Randolph. Bless wikipedia. This would have been a tough thing to find anyways

who was the president?

520 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:01:33pm

re: #504 3 wood

I would not bring you just Wall Street crap. This is the real deal. Geithner just sits in his office, frozen, afraid to do anything. Every time he talks into a microphone, the market drops like a rock and he now realizes that he does not understand how the market works.

Time To Fire Tim Geithner

Before taking office at the end of January, Tim Geithner had many months to develop a solid plan for what to do. He had the opportunity to see what was working and what wasn't and to consult with dozens of experts, many of whom had no stake in the matter (unlike the Wall Street kingpins who seem to have shaped Geithner's inaccurate view of the situation). He had the opportunity to see and understand that what America needs most right now is clarity and decisiveness.

Then he took office. In the five weeks since, Tim Geithner has:

(see link)

With a few years of seasoning in a normal environment, Tim Geithner might turn out to be a fine Treasury Secretary. But this isn't a normal environment, and we don't have a few years.

The engines of the US economy just quit. We're losing altitude rapidly. And the co-pilot flying the plane clearly doesn't know what to do.

So it's time for the captain to take over again, before Geithner takes him and the rest of us down with him.

521 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:02:05pm

re: #515 ConservatismNow!

I think we'd run out of bombs.

Cartman has an endless supply of F-bombs...[NSFW], so we're cool.

522 callahan23  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:02:14pm

re: #503 Gus 802

Sounds nice. This morning they were talking about food in LGF which got me thinking about alfajores, dulce de leche, milanesa and empanadas!

Ahh, what treats.
I got a nice recipe for empanadas, but need to translate it first.

523 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:02:49pm

re: #513 3 wood

Wasn't Geithner part of the problem with Lemhan going down?

524 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:02:58pm

re: #513 3 wood

Do you have any recommendations for economic blogs? Every time I look around they're either too technical or they're just partisan shills. Any good blogs with real information?

525 tackle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:03:01pm

re: #514 CyanSnowHawk

Now there is some Authority to be respected.

Is that the bully that says, "Ha-ha" all the time?

526 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:03:14pm

re: #511 ConservatismNow!

Oh, and she was Thomas Jefferson's daughter. Jefferson was a widower for 8 years, which made her the First Lady

thanks for that...you win...I'll have a Red Stripe

527 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:03:15pm

re: #522 callahan23

Ahh, what treats.
I got a nice recipe for empanadas, but need to translate it first.

Would be a cool addition to any future LGF cookbook.

528 nyc redneck  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:03:17pm

re: #447 gregg

Damn, Robert Reich has gone of the deep end:

"Angry right-wing populism lurks just below the surface of the terrible American economy, ready to be launched not only at Obama but also at liberals, intellectuals, gays, blacks, Jews, the mainstream media, coastal elites, crypto socialists, and any other potential target of paranoid opportunity."

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

the stock market has gone down over 20% since o was inaugurated and he is doing nothing but make it worse.
i would say, that many people on that list allegedly targeted by "right wingers" may not looking too kindly at O either. at least not for much longer.

fck rob't reichhhhhh for trying to divide decent american citizens at a time like this.
when the economy collapses because of O we will all be in the same boat.

529 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:03:50pm

re: #519 albusteve

See my 511

530 callahan23  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:03:56pm

re: #521 Slumbering Behemoth

Hilarious, rotflol.

531 DEZes  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:04:07pm

re: #510 screaming_eagle

Homer Simpson - Sec of Tres
Bart Simpson - Sec of Ed
Eric Cartmen- Sec of Def
Kenny - Sec of Health+Human Ser

Youtube Video
532 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:04:17pm

Obamas To Spend Weekend At Camp David

Yeah, go ahead, take the weekend off asshole.

/no hurry, those toxic bank assets will still be there when the markets open Monday morning

533 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:04:49pm

re: #525 tackle

Is that the bully that says, "Ha-ha" all the time?

Different show, that's the Simpsons.
Cartman is the foul mouthed fat kid on South Park.

534 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:05:18pm

re: #520 pink freud

dumping Geithner will be a huge scandle....cred will vanish

535 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:05:18pm

re: #526 albusteve

thanks for that...you win...I'll have a Red Stripe

Hooray Beer!

536 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:05:41pm

Lovecraftian School Board Member Wants Madness Added To Curriculum

ARKHAM, MA—Arguing that students should return to the fundamentals taught in the Pnakotic Manuscripts and the Necronomicon in order to develop the skills they need to be driven to the very edge of sanity, Arkham school board member Charles West continued to advance his pro-madness agenda at the district's monthly meeting Tuesday.
...

537 callahan23  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:06:29pm

re: #527 Gus 802

Would be a cool addition to any future LGF cookbook.

Is La Reine still in here?
Would you be interested in a nice recipe for empanadas?

538 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:06:31pm

re: #534 albusteve

dumping Geithner will be a huge scandle....cred will vanish

You forgot the sarc tag.

539 3 wood  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:06:46pm

re: #508 Killgore Trout

FDIC Chair Sheila Bair went off the reservation this week making noises about FDIC going bust and raising fees on banks becuase the administration wouldn't shore up FDIC insurance. She made a lot of waves and I suspect she might not last long either.

Yes, she caused a massive bank panic for no good reason. Another reason why the market dropped last week, you have twits in charge of these things now. This is quickly becoming the gang that can't shoot straight.

By the way., if you'v enot read my suggestions for fixing this mess, here they are:

1. Drop mark to market and go back to discounted cash flows, which is what we really used for about 80 years before mark to market. That will cut the capital loss to banks in half and will give them a market to price these assets with.

2. Drop the capital gains tax to zero for at least the next 5 years. Capital will flood back into the market and the banks.

3. Install the uptick rule and make it 4 tenths that prices have to go up before you can get out of a shor tsale. That will stop this pounding of stocks.

4. Enforce the naked short selling laws.

5. Buy up the remaining bad mortgages to unwind the remaining toxic assets and work them out in a Resolution Trust 2 scenario,.

6. Stop spending money like drunken sailors on shore leave.

This would cost a fraction of what they are spending now, and it would work, too.

5. Buy up the remaining bad loans to unwind

540 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:07:25pm

re: #534 albusteve

dumping Geithner will be a huge scandle....cred will vanish

The guy's as useless as a third tit on a boar.

/the sooner he's gone the better

541 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:08:34pm

re: #534 albusteve

dumping Geithner will be a huge scandle....cred will vanish

Even that isn't the worst problem with the idea - the real problem is who will replace him - and what will he do? OK, the two worst problems are, ...

542 gregg  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:08:49pm

re: #524 Killgore Trout

Do you have any recommendations for economic blogs? Every time I look around they're either too technical or they're just partisan shills. Any good blogs with real information?

I know you didn't ask me, but here are a few I follow:

MISH'S Global Economic Trend Analysis
Naked Capitalism
Calculated Risk

543 3 wood  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:09:03pm

re: #520 pink freud

Yep, Obama is floating the idea of chopping this guy and see how the reaction is.

They will claim that he has family issues or health problems or some such.

544 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:09:12pm

re: #540 Killian Bundy

The guy's as useless as a third tit on a boar.

/the sooner he's gone the better

MSM...Geithner steps down with rare virus that affects concentration and motivation

545 reggie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:09:15pm

OT:

My idea for a Cox & Forcum style cartoon is a split-screen, then vs. now, "raising troop morale."

Then: Patton speaking to American soldiers, "our job is to make the other bastard die for his country," or some other excerpt.

Now: NYT reporter asking Obama if we're winning in Afghanistan and Obama replies, "No." But he is being viewed on a widescreen TV by Taliban, and they are cheering wildly.

546 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:10:02pm

re: #539 3 wood

Those all sound good to me. Dopey Obama is talking about raising capital gains again. What about putting Glass-steagall back in place?

547 doppelganglander  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:10:18pm

re: #507 Zimriel

Of course Reich is projecting. Of course when he delivers a litany of imagined right-wing boogy-boos, it's because he's already made a litany of his own (militia, gun nuts, KKK, rich people, Jesus lovers, etc etc) that he keeps more private.

But he's still right.

All Reich has to do to find right-wing populism is to visit some of the sites blacklisted here. Do you imagine that as more conservatives find themselves out of luck that they're not going to focus their ire at Jews - er, "Soros", the MSM, blacks, liberal yuppies and the rest of Reich's projected menagerie?

No, I do not think that is happening or is going to happen. There has always been a far-right fringe of anti-Semites and people who think the Council on Foreign Relations and the Bilderbergers are behind everything. They are neither numerous nor influential. The idea that middle-class Americans are suddenly going to start acting like gangbangers is just ludicrous.

548 3 wood  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:10:31pm

re: #534 albusteve

dumping Geithner will be a huge scandle....cred will vanish

The destruction of the financial sector in the market over the last 2 weeks tells you that Geithner has no credibility left to lose. He is an outright joke now.

549 OldLineTexan  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:10:36pm

re: #510 screaming_eagle

Homer Simpson - Sec of Tres
Bart Simpson - Sec of Ed
Eric Cartmen- Sec of Def
Kenny - Sec of Health+Human Ser

Cartman would make other countries respect our authori-tie, and I am pretty sure he would also press for an immediate Towelie-ban.

As far as 9 year-olds with no actual existence or experience, IMO he beats the one we elected POTUS.

550 nightlight  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:10:48pm

re: #540 Killian Bundy

The guy's as useless as a third tit on a boar.

/the sooner he's gone the better

Third Tit Turbo Tax Tim?

551 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:10:51pm

re: #542 gregg

Thanks, checking them out now.....

552 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:10:59pm

re: #541 itellu3times

Even that isn't the worst problem with the idea - the real problem is who will replace him - and what will he do? OK, the two worst problems are, ...

first thing....don't let BO make the choice...maybe the Twitter guys can help out eh?

553 Zimriel  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:11:05pm

re: #536 itellu3times

Lovecraftian School Board Member Wants Madness Added To Curriculum

If only the school was able to tell him that transdimensional beings aren't testable, and can't fall within the mission of primary school education...

/nah that's crazy talk

554 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:11:28pm

re: #543 3 wood

Yep, Obama is floating the idea of chopping this guy and see how the reaction is.

They will claim that he has family issues or health problems or some such.

It infuriates me how the man can't make a decision without "floating an idea" or polling some focus group. The eternal finger-in-the-wind ...

555 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:11:29pm

re: #546 Killgore Trout

Those all sound good to me. Dopey Obama is talking about raising capital gains again. What about putting Glass-steagall back in place?

How about putting Citibank and AIG executives in the stocks in central park, prior to public beheading?
/sarcastic, but just barely

556 3 wood  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:11:37pm

re: #546 Killgore Trout

What about putting Glass-steagall back in place?

Review that later.

Right now we got too many holes in the side of the ship to patch first.

557 stevieray  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:11:46pm

Wild speculation:

What if Obama wants Geithner to tank the economy?

What if Obama wants Hillary to botch foreign relations?

What if Obama wants the FDIC to go belly up?

By summer, he can claim "capitalism doesn't work". He can say "American exceptionalism is the problem".

He then can dump all of the failures from his cabinet, claim he was mistaken in hiring Washington insiders, get applause and a second honeymoon from the press, and bring in his radical friends to finish the crippling of America.

Think about it...

558 OldLineTexan  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:12:00pm

re: #518 CyanSnowHawk

Sounds good. Sorry I missed that.

Molotov cocktails? Oh, how droll. Lovey, do we have any vodka left? Russian, of course.

559 doppelganglander  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:12:17pm

re: #543 3 wood

Yep, Obama is floating the idea of chopping this guy and see how the reaction is.

They will claim that he has family issues or health problems or some such.

Will you be throwing your hat in the ring? You've got the lizard vote, for sure.

560 callahan23  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:12:47pm

re: #557 stevieray

Too depressing to contemplate.

561 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:12:54pm
562 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:12:54pm

re: #548 3 wood

The destruction of the financial sector in the market over the last 2 weeks tells you that Geithner has no credibility left to lose. He is an outright joke now.

yes and firing him will send shock waves through the public....pundits will cash in on that one

563 Bobblehead  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:12:55pm

Comedians of America hear this! The mess in D.C. would make for some fine comedy routines. Man up you cowards.

564 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:13:08pm

re: #558 OldLineTexan

Molotov cocktails? Oh, how droll. Lovey, do we have any vodka left? Russian, of course.

Nyet. Vodka no left. Just hydraulic fluid.

//

565 3 wood  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:13:09pm

re: #523 screaming_eagle

Wasn't Geithner part of the problem with Lemhan going down?

Yes, and Bears Stearns too.

566 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:13:54pm

re: #557 stevieray

Cloward, is that you?

567 3 wood  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:14:31pm

re: #524 Killgore Trout

re: #513 3 wood

Do you have any recommendations for economic blogs? Every time I look around they're either too technical or they're just partisan shills. Any good blogs with real information?

Marketwatch and Bloomberg are pretty good for the average interested party.

568 stevieray  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:15:08pm

re: #566 pink freud

Cloward, is that you?

Shhh!

/not really

569 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:15:49pm

re: #565 3 wood

Yes, and Bears Stearns too.

Makes you wonder how he got the spot. Given his poor track record. "Hey, Tim, yeah, this is Barry. Listen, I know you're behind on your taxes and you really did such an crappy job with Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns I thought I'd offer you a job as Secretary of Treasury."

570 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:16:45pm

Little Hawk's calling me to play some Godzilla Unleashed on the Wii. Gotta go. Later Lizards.

571 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:17:07pm

re: #557 stevieray

re: #569 Gus 802

Stevieray, meet Gus ......Gus, stevieray.

572 David Simon  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:17:08pm

re: #546 Killgore Trout

Those all sound good to me. Dopey Obama is talking about raising capital gains again. What about putting Glass-steagall back in place?

Europe has never had anything like it. If that were the cause, Europe would have led the decline, not followed it.

573 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:17:09pm

re: #523 screaming_eagle

Wasn't Geithner part of the problem with Lemhan going down?

Yeah, but I can't blame anyone for Lehman going down, what I can blame him and others for is Lehman being allowed to get in that position in the first place.

574 OldLineTexan  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:17:13pm

re: #570 CyanSnowHawk

Little Hawk's calling me to play some Godzilla Unleashed on the Wii. Gotta go. Later Lizards.

Go Go Godzilla!

575 TedStriker  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:17:29pm

re: #569 Gus 802

Makes you wonder how he got the spot. Given his poor track record. "Hey, Tim, yeah, this is Barry. Listen, I know you're behind on your taxes and you really did such an crappy job with Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns I thought I'd offer you a job as Secretary of Treasury."

To me, the choice was deliberate and calculated...f**k Dear Leader!

576 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:17:29pm

BO wants the market to tank just to the point where his policies will save it...problem is he is playing with fire and the whole scheme has blown up on him...course eveybody knows that

577 Bobblehead  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:17:33pm

re: #569 Gus 802

Makes you wonder how he got the spot. Given his poor track record. "Hey, Tim, yeah, this is Barry. Listen, I know you're behind on your taxes and you really did such an crappy job with Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns I thought I'd offer you a job as Secretary of Treasury."

When you think about it, who on O's team does have a good record?

578 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:17:57pm

re: #567 3 wood

Thanks.

579 Zimriel  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:18:07pm

re: #557 stevieray

Wild speculation:

What if Obama wants Geithner to tank the economy?

What if Obama wants Hillary to botch foreign relations?

What if Obama wants the FDIC to go belly up?

By summer, he can claim "capitalism doesn't work". He can say "American exceptionalism is the problem".

He then can dump all of the failures from his cabinet, claim he was mistaken in hiring Washington insiders, get applause and a second honeymoon from the press, and bring in his radical friends to finish the crippling of America.

Think about it...

A similar theory has bruited about last year. It was predicted then that O would be a Clintonian moderate in his first term. But when he was in his second, he'd be a lame duck, and THEN would hire the radicals.

That theory (before the budget showed us what O was) was more plausible than yours. I don't think O'd get away with it. Joe Sixpack doesn't know from economics but viscerally feels that when things change that quickly, the reason is the man and not the system. Also, the press won't have any credibility then either.

It may have started out as opportunism (his words, come to think of it, were "great opportunity"); but I think the scale of the clusterfuck is starting to scare him.

580 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:18:44pm

re: #577 Bobblehead

When you think about it, who on O's team does have a good record?

Right. It starts at the top with President Gazebo. Given that he got the job with only ACORN on his resume.

581 The Shadow Do  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:18:58pm

re: #539 3 wood

3. Install the uptick rule and make it 4 tenths that prices have to go up before you can get out of a shor tsale. That will stop this pounding of stocks.

I am pretty religious in reading your posts and have learned a lot. I am beginning to "get" most of what you have to say. However, I don't understand the uptick rule. Would you be kind enough to elaborate for dolts like me?

582 Bob Dillon  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:19:16pm

re: #576 albusteve

BO wants the market to tank just to the point where his policies will save it...problem is he is playing with fire and the whole scheme has blown up on him...course eveybody knows that

And Zer0 is in de Nile.

583 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:19:34pm

re: #524 Killgore Trout

Do you have any recommendations for economic blogs? Every time I look around they're either too technical or they're just partisan shills. Any good blogs with real information?

Wall Street Journal has been excellent since they reorganized a few months ago and just in time for the new dark ages.

Unfortunately Murdoch has not yet made good on his promise to make the entire contents available online without subscription, so buy the dead tree version or pay for the Internet version, or go elsewhere.

584 3 wood  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:19:41pm

re: #557 stevieray

Wild speculation:

What if Obama wants Geithner to tank the economy?

What if Obama wants Hillary to botch foreign relations?

What if Obama wants the FDIC to go belly up?

By summer, he can claim "capitalism doesn't work". He can say "American exceptionalism is the problem".

He then can dump all of the failures from his cabinet, claim he was mistaken in hiring Washington insiders, get applause and a second honeymoon from the press, and bring in his radical friends to finish the crippling of America.

Think about it...

I think he just does not understand economics as it really is. He also hired a bunch of empty suits. He is in danger of losing control of at least one half of Congress at the next election is this keeps up. Even Chrissy Matthews has said that Obama's score card is the Dow and the S&P 500.

585 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:19:47pm

re: #571 pink freud

re: #569 Gus 802

Stevieray, meet Gus ......Gus, stevieray.

We need the honor guard first. Then I want them to play "Hail to the Chief" when I come out.

//

586 3 wood  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:20:36pm

re: #569 Gus 802

Makes you wonder how he got the spot.

Cause he's a left winger. That's all you need to get a job with Obama. That, and be a tax cheat.

587 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:20:49pm

re: #584 3 wood

I think he just does not understand economics as it really is. He also hired a bunch of empty suits. He is in danger of losing control of at least one half of Congress at the next election is this keeps up. Even Chrissy Matthews has said that Obama's score card is the Dow and the S&P 500.

Ouch!

588 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:20:50pm

re: #582 Bobibutu

And Zer0 is in de Nile.

his whole life is a dark fantasy...he's lost and I want him to fail as in bibical failure

589 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:21:15pm

re: #550 nightlight

Third Tit Turbo Tax Tim?

Geithner Pledges ‘Ambitious’ Crackdown on Tax Havens

Testimony before Charlie "I was supposed to pay taxes on that?" Rangel's committee.

/too ironic to even be called irony

590 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:21:28pm

re: #585 Gus 802

We need the honor guard first. Then I want them to play "Hail to the Chief" when I come out.

//

That shouldn't be a problem, I hear 0bama's retired it.

591 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:21:47pm

re: #586 3 wood

Cause he's a left winger. That's all you need to get a job with Obama. That, and be a tax cheat.

That's about the size of it. If he did replace Geithner he'd replace him with another hyper partisan (clueless) hack.

592 yochanan  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:22:02pm

off topic but very funny
da'mayor
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

593 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:22:10pm

re: #577 Bobblehead

When you think about it, who on O's team does have a good record?

Who on the planet has a good record right now in finance? Maybe Ken Lewis at Bank of America did until he overreached (for the second time) in buying (sic) Merrill Lynch.

594 Zimriel  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:22:23pm

re: #528 nyc redneck

the stock market has gone down over 20% since o was inaugurated and he is doing nothing but make it worse.
i would say, that many people on that list allegedly targeted by "right wingers" may not looking too kindly at O either. at least not for much longer.

fck rob't reichhhhhh for trying to divide decent american citizens at a time like this.
when the economy collapses because of O we will all be in the same boat.

Now here's an argument I can upding! Even if Reich told the truth, he delivered it in a partisan-hack fashion tailor-made to cause the divisions he was pretending to warn against.

I hadn't thought of that. That's pretty evil of him, I have to say.

595 Bobblehead  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:22:27pm

re: #590 pink freud

That shouldn't be a problem, I hear 0bama's retired it.

Just as well. It doesn't suit him.

596 OldLineTexan  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:22:43pm

re: #585 Gus 802

We need the honor guard first. Then I want them to play "Hail to the Chief" when I come out.

//

Uh, Chief? The Honor Guard is having trouble fitting into their Godzilla suits ... some doof ordered kiddie sizes, and these guys are kinda fat ...

597 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:22:58pm

re: #590 pink freud

That shouldn't be a problem, I hear 0bama's retired it.

Too much CO2 emissions?

//

598 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:23:10pm

re: #573 itellu3times

Yeah, but I can't blame anyone for Lehman going down, what I can blame him and others for is Lehman being allowed to get in that position in the first place.

My point is the way he handled it. Trying to force a shotgun fix and then leaving the banks to themselves. What did he think was going to happen?

599 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:23:14pm

re: #557 stevieray

Obama is fumbling not intentionally trying to destroy the economy. If he does fail on the economy bad enough he'll end up with a Republican congress in two years and won't be able to create a socialist paradise. The Cloward-Piven conspiracy theory is just plain stupid.

600 OldLineTexan  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:23:54pm

re: #593 itellu3times

Who on the planet has a good record right now in finance? Maybe Ken Lewis at Bank of America did until he overreached (for the second time) in buying (sic) Merrill Lynch.

Let's just have Obama come outta the damned closet and pick Soros.

601 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:24:16pm

re: #599 Killgore Trout

Obama is fumbling not intentionally trying to destroy the economy.

/is there a difference?

602 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:24:36pm

re: #596 OldLineTexan

Uh, Chief? The Honor Guard is having trouble fitting into their Godzilla suits ... some doof ordered kiddie sizes, and these guys are kinda fat ...

Yeah, and when the Godzilla suits finally came in they were all sleeveless.

//

603 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:24:38pm

BO and Geithner should be hauled off in chains....these assholes are nothing but incompetent street thugs....they have ripped me off bigtime

604 stevieray  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:25:02pm

re: #584 3 wood

I think he just does not understand economics as it really is. He also hired a bunch of empty suits. He is in danger of losing control of at least one half of Congress at the next election is this keeps up. Even Chrissy Matthews has said that Obama's score card is the Dow and the S&P 500.

I hope you are right. That gives us the hope that if Obama hires the right support staff, we can get through the next four years and still have a recognizable nation.

605 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:25:47pm

re: #590 pink freud

We need the honor guard first. Then I want them to play "Hail to the Chief" when I come out.

That shouldn't be a problem, I hear 0bama's retired it.

New Presidential Anthem.

(war, what is it good for? absolutely nuthin' [say it again!])

606 Bobblehead  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:26:34pm

You think Rahm Emmanuel will jump ship if things get too bad?

607 pink freud  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:26:38pm

re: #599 Killgore Trout

Obama is fumbling not intentionally trying to destroy the economy. If he does fail on the economy bad enough he'll end up with a Republican congress in two years and won't be able to create a socialist paradise. The Cloward-Piven conspiracy theory is just plain stupid.

Calling it stupid doesn't negate the fact that it was conceived of and advanced by a couple of Chicago edu socialists who think just like 0bama, Ayers, and their ilk. They damn sure believe in it.

608 David Simon  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:26:40pm

re: #539 3 wood

Good moves, except for this one:

Install the uptick rule and make it 4 tenths that prices have to go up before you can get out of a shor tsale. That will stop this pounding of stocks.

There was a ban on shorting financial stocks in the fall, IIRC. The average financial lost over 30% during that time. The free market always wins out.

I think shorting (so long as it's not naked) serves a useful purpose. One of the reasons why we're in this mess is because of speculation on the upside.

609 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:26:56pm

re: #599 Killgore Trout

Obama is fumbling not intentionally trying to destroy the economy. If he does fail on the economy bad enough he'll end up with a Republican congress in two years and won't be able to create a socialist paradise. The Cloward-Piven conspiracy theory is just plain stupid.

that's getting old...why doesn't he stop the slide?....do you doubt that he can?....you seem oblivious

610 Zimriel  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:26:56pm

re: #603 albusteve

BO and Geithner should be hauled off in chains....these assholes are nothing but incompetent street thugs....they have ripped me off bigtime

Geithner at least. It's no secret here that he's the guy I like least. If I pulled what he pulled on my taxes, I'd be in a PMITA prison. Why isn't he?

611 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:27:09pm

re: #447 gregg

I really like the "crypto" part!

Lessee, I'm a

Crypto Christian ?

or, perhaps

Crypto foodie?

I know!

Crypto grappa drinker!

Long Live Crypto !

612 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:27:19pm

re: #598 screaming_eagle

My point is the way he handled it. Trying to force a shotgun fix and then leaving the banks to themselves. What did he think was going to happen?

He wasn't alone, Bernanke and Paulson played larger roles, and they all wanted to let one go down, and who knows if they were right. Second-guessing consensus is now that they were (all) wrong. So it goes in times of madness.

613 OldLineTexan  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:27:28pm

re: #606 Bobblehead

You think Rahm Emmanuel will jump ship if things get too bad?

Nah, he's in charge of the gangplank.

614 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:27:40pm

re: #606 Bobblehead

You think Rahm Emmanuel will jump ship if things get too bad?

No but I think he'd push everbody else off.

615 3 wood  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:27:56pm

re: #581 The Shadow Do

I am pretty religious in reading your posts and have learned a lot. I am beginning to "get" most of what you have to say. However, I don't understand the uptick rule. Would you be kind enough to elaborate for dolts like me?

Thank you for the kind words and you are not a dolt. I tend to use jargon when I'm blogging quickly, my apology for that.

First you have to understand short selling. Short selling is when you think the market price will go down, you borrow some shares from your broker, sell them at the current price, wait for the price to go down, and then buy back the shares at a lower price to close the trade and pocket the difference. Well,in that situation there is an overwhelming urge to make up bad news and spread bad rumors trying to talk down the price of certain stocks.

The "uptick" rule was in place for about 60 years to stop that. It required price to actually go up 1/10th before you could buy back the stock and close the deal out. This kept people from doing this destructive rumor mongering hammering prices down. The uptick rule was allowed to expire a few years ago and has not been renewed. Every since then, the volatility in the market has skrocketed.

I would reinstall the uptick rule right away, only I would make the uptick amount 4/10th's which would just about eliminate short selling, which I see as destructive.

616 Van Helsing  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:27:57pm

re: #599 Killgore Trout

Obama is fumbling not intentionally trying to destroy the economy. If he does fail on the economy bad enough he'll end up with a Republican congress in two years and won't be able to create a socialist paradise. The Cloward-Piven conspiracy theory is just plain stupid.

Hanlon's Razor:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"

It is important however, to keep a real close watch on it...

617 Aviator  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:28:30pm

What I hear about turbo tax Timmy sounds like he wanders around talking to himself. He has no friends in DC and is being treated as though he is toxic.
(May be very true). No point in sucking up to someone who is going down.

618 TedStriker  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:28:58pm

re: #599 Killgore Trout

Obama is fumbling not intentionally trying to destroy the economy. If he does fail on the economy bad enough he'll end up with a Republican congress in two years and won't be able to create a socialist paradise. The Cloward-Piven conspiracy theory is just plain stupid.

Dear Leader may not be able to put all of Cloward-Piven into action if he wants a Dem Congress past 2010 and another term in 2012, but it seems like he certainly is doing some of it, either through incompetence or malice. What says you, KT?

619 OldLineTexan  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:29:11pm

re: #614 screaming_eagle

No but I think he'd push everbody else off.

Heh. 12 seconds difference.

620 TedStriker  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:30:01pm

re: #610 Zimriel

Geithner at least. It's no secret here that he's the guy I like least. If I pulled what he pulled on my taxes, I'd be in a PMITA prison. Why isn't he?

Because he's better than you...

/Dear Leader

621 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:30:15pm

re: #616 Van Helsing

Hanlon's Razor:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"

It is important however, to keep a real close watch on it...

Hmm, Googling to wikipedia turns up this too:

Grey's Law (influenced, no doubt, by Clarke's third law), posits "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice
622 3 wood  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:32:12pm

re: #604 stevieray

I hope you are right. That gives us the hope that if Obama hires the right support staff, we can get through the next four years and still have a recognizable nation.

This situation is fixable. That is what frustrates me so. Lot's of folks know what to do, it's just that the people in the power to make decisions are not among them.

It's like I'm watching a bad car accident happen in front of me and there's nothing I can do to stop it but post stuff here and hope someone in a policy making position reads it and gets a clue.

623 Zimriel  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:32:36pm

re: #618 talon_262

Dear Leader may not be able to put all of Cloward-Piven into action if he wants a Dem Congress past 2010 and another term in 2012, but it seems like he certainly is doing some of it, either through incompetence or malice. What says you, KT?

Here's a theory! Obama is a wingnut plant who is deliberately tanking the economy so that the military can take over and install Bush as President For Life.

... Seriously, there's just no upside to tanking the Dow this bad this early. Unless the government is full of imbeciles. Which, watching this administration, fits the facts best, I think.

624 Bob Dillon  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:32:55pm

re: #593 itellu3times

Who on the planet has a good record right now in finance? Maybe Ken Lewis at Bank of America did until he overreached (for the second time) in buying (sic) Merrill Lynch.

[Link: books.global-investor.com...]

[Link: www.safetynettrading.com...]

My #1 playmate and mentor.

And there are even safer ways invented by him. Depends on your age group.

625 stevieray  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:33:33pm

re: #599 Killgore Trout

Obama is fumbling not intentionally trying to destroy the economy. If he does fail on the economy bad enough he'll end up with a Republican congress in two years and won't be able to create a socialist paradise. The Cloward-Piven conspiracy theory is just plain stupid.

Oh Killgore... so little imagination.

America is not immune to the treachery of wannabe tyrants -- what has happened in other places, can also happen here.

626 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:33:44pm

re: #622 3 wood

They had better fix it, I have NO design work at the moment, so I am generating zero tax revenue among other things.

627 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:33:52pm

re: #619 OldLineTexan

Yeh I seen that.

628 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:33:55pm

re: #623 Zimriel

... Seriously, there's just no upside to tanking the Dow this bad this early. Unless the government is full of imbeciles. Which, watching this administration, fits the facts best, I think.

Except for the maxim that you want to get the worst out of the way early, so by the time of reelection what people remember is the upward curve of any recovery.

629 Aviator  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:34:03pm

Appropriate song.
[Link: kathleensings.com...]

630 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:35:03pm

re: #623 Zimriel

Here's a theory! Obama is a wingnut plant who is deliberately tanking the economy so that the military can take over and install Bush as President For Life.

... Seriously, there's just no upside to tanking the Dow this bad this early. Unless the government is full of imbeciles. Which, watching this administration, fits the facts best, I think.

why not?....it's Bush's fault right?....BO lit the fuse and now he won't stop it...hubris plain and simple

631 3 wood  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:35:11pm

re: #608 David Simon

There was a ban on shorting financial stocks in the fall, IIRC. The average financial lost over 30% during that time. The free market always wins out.

I think shorting (so long as it's not naked) serves a useful purpose. One of the reasons why we're in this mess is because of speculation on the upside.

That "ban" was unworkable cause they left a wide hole in the options market. You could do all the short selling you wanted if you just did it using options. It was a joke, done by other people who did not understand how the markets work. And the naked short selling ban has not been enforced either. It's wide open now.

632 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:35:28pm

re: #593 itellu3times

As a semi answer to your question, I am pretty sure that the economies of the Amish and the Hutterites are running merrily along without a hiccough.

633 Bobblehead  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:37:01pm

Even the promise of glittering A List dinner parties is not enough to get anyone decent to join O's administration. Wasn't this supposed to be the 2nd Camelot with O as King Arthur and Michelle and her "oh so toned arms" as his Guinevere?

634 OldLineTexan  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:37:46pm

re: #633 Bobblehead

Even the promise of glittering A List dinner parties is not enough to get anyone decent to join O's administration. Wasn't this supposed to be the 2nd Camelot with O as King Arthur and Michelle and her "oh so toned arms" as his Guinevere?

Ick. Who has to be Lancelot?

635 TedStriker  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:38:03pm

re: #623 Zimriel

Here's a theory! Obama is a wingnut plant who is deliberately tanking the economy so that the military can take over and install Bush as President For Life.

... Seriously, there's just no upside to tanking the Dow this bad this early. Unless the government is full of imbeciles. Which, watching this administration, fits the facts best, I think.

Dear Leader/Ol' Plugs '08: Inexperience, indecisiveness, and incompetence in action (and not necessarily in that order)!

636 3 wood  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:38:07pm

Well, the Mrs. wants to cuddle on the couch.

Good night all.

637 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:38:20pm

re: #634 OldLineTexan

Ick. Who has to be Lancelot?

Biden

638 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:38:54pm

re: #633 Bobblehead

Even the promise of glittering A List dinner parties is not enough to get anyone decent to join O's administration. Wasn't this supposed to be the 2nd Camelot with O as King Arthur and Michelle and her "oh so toned arms" as his Guinevere?

Michelle is not Guenevere, she is Morgana La Fay

639 Zimriel  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:39:05pm

re: #634 OldLineTexan

Ick. Who has to be Lancelot?

We'll draw straws, just to be fair.

640 OldLineTexan  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:39:27pm

re: #637 screaming_eagle

Biden

You know what Lancelot does in that particular legend, right?

641 TedStriker  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:39:30pm

re: #634 OldLineTexan

Ick. Who has to be Lancelot?

Just so long as it's not Ol' Plugs....

642 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:39:43pm

re: #637 screaming_eagle

Biden

a good night in shining armor...Sir Joe!...stand up will ya?

643 DEZes  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:39:44pm

re: #637 screaming_eagle

Biden


LOL!

644 stevieray  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:40:06pm

re: #634 OldLineTexan

Ick. Who has to be Lancelot?

Lancelot Link, Secret Chimp? Its always been a dream of mine...
//

645 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:40:22pm

re: #634 OldLineTexan

Ick. Who has to be Lancelot?

Susan Rice

646 Bobblehead  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:40:36pm

re: #637 screaming_eagle

Biden

Yes! I can just see him serandding Michelle with "If Ever I Would Leave You".

647 OldLineTexan  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:41:20pm

re: #645 Gus 802

Susan Rice

KIN-KY!

/yet disgusting

648 reine.de.tout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:41:28pm

re: #537 callahan23

Is La Reine still in here?
Would you be interested in a nice recipe for empanadas?

YES, send it on.

649 The Shadow Do  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:41:44pm

re: #615 3 wood

Thank you for the clarity. Cripes, I had no idea this kind of crap was even going on! Your good words aside, I do indeed think that this hooey places me in the vast army of dolts who are presently getting hosed.

650 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:42:01pm

re: #640 OldLineTexan

You know what Lancelot does in that particular legend, right?

Yeppers. You wouldn't find that amusing?

651 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:42:18pm

re: #647 OldLineTexan

KIN-KY!

/yet disgusting

Yeah, I was trying to stay consistent with the Obama administration.

652 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:42:35pm

re: #642 albusteve

a good night in shining armor...Sir Joe!...stand up will ya?

LMAO

653 OldLineTexan  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:42:53pm

re: #650 screaming_eagle

Yeppers. You wouldn't find that amusing?

No. The mind reels ...

/

654 DEZes  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:44:13pm

Well shall we hit the new thread?------->

655 callahan23  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:44:38pm

re: #648 reine.de.tout

YES, send it on.

Will do, as soon as I've translated it.
I promise.

656 Bobblehead  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:44:57pm

re: #654 DEZes

Well shall we hit the new thread?------->

Yes, we're going off the deep end here. Time to refresh.

657 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:45:14pm

re: #271 itellu3times

Interesting analysis, and right about goals vs. process; however, the Obamaites and Obama himself, as well as those pushing ID are baby boomers, not GenXers. It's the late boomers (post 1955) who seem to be into this more than either early boomers or Xers.

658 David Simon  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:46:27pm

re: #631 3 wood

You could do all the short selling you wanted if you just did it using options.

Are you referring to the exception for auto exercised options? If so, to include it in the ban would be totally unfair.

And I'm not sure how big of a role it played in the free fall. An option, unlike a short position in stock, expires. If the security doesn't move the right way fast enough, the option expires worthless. And there was plenty of volatility premium built in to the price of those options that making money buying puts was hardly a sure thing.

659 Van Helsing  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:50:19pm

re: #621 itellu3times

I had never heard of Grey's law. I like it. Alot.

660 Van Helsing  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:53:26pm

re: #650 screaming_eagle

Yeppers. You wouldn't find that amusing?

Brain bleach. Need brain bleach NOW!

661 Throbert McGee  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 7:24:04pm

re: #204 DEZes

Tennessee Republican Eric H. Swafford has a new bill to ban all dildos and to make sex toy possession a crime:
Unbelievable.

Annie Lennox responds: "Sex Crime? Se-se-se-se-sex cri-cri-crime? Boo! Ba-doo, boop-ba-doo..."

Youtube Video

(Yeah, I know Annie Lennox is a political doofus, but it's my favorite Eurythmics song...)

662 Muadib  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 7:59:29pm

re: #493 Van Helsing

Obama is tired? Tough shit. He knew it was a dangerous job when he took it.

Perhaps he if quit campaigning and started leading (if he is capable of such a thing) perhaps he could get more rest.

Poor, poor baby.

He's not capable of leading. He has only mastered the art of demagoguery.

663 Buster Bunny  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:10:32pm

re: #662 Muadib

He's not capable of leading. He has only mastered the art of demagoguery.

Doesnt mean he wont push his hand at being a demagogue.

664 Salamantis  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:54:23pm

re: #661 Throbert McGee

As long as we're posting Eurythmics videos, here's an Annie Lenox shout-out to alla those creationist/ID trools that we've been missing lately:

Youtube Video

Come back. Occam's throwing a luau, and we hunger for the tender taste of your gamy troll buttocks, barbequed over a fire of logic, slow-roasted with the mesquite and hickory charcoal of rationality, basted with sweet and sour reason, and turned on an impaling spit of empirical evidence.

665 So?  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 10:08:17pm

I heard about 4 or 5 riffs that were interesting and could be the basis for few songs. Other than that he did was just steam rollin', like a pinball flying haphazardly all over the place once released. Yeah so he's fast. Means dick if there's no cohesive for your notes to hang out in the musical universe.


But then again, that's just me.

666 wong fei hung  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 5:31:38am

I'd like to welcome all faith-based opponents of the US Constitution to post #666 of this thread.

Booga booga!

-WFH

667 tyree  Wed, Mar 11, 2009 6:31:22am

Personally, I am a little tired of this "Religious Right" smear. Many of the Christians I know and love are Democrats who voted for Obama. Out here in California the anti-gay marriage initiative was defeated by the high pro-Obama voter turnout. Blacks tipped the scales but the left attacked the "religious right", in many cases the attacks were physical. The left is forcing us into groups and voting blocks so they can control us better.


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