Taliban Chief Threatens US Attack

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Yesterday the Islamic supremacists calling themselves the Taliban staged a mass murder attack on a Pakistani police academy—and today the “commander” of this brutish gang of thugs is promising an attack on Washington DC.

DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan (AP) — The commander of the Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility Tuesday for a deadly assault on a Pakistani police academy and said the group was planning a terrorist attack on the U.S. capital.

Baitullah Mehsud, who has a $5 million bounty on his head from the U.S., said Monday’s attack outside the eastern city of Lahore was in retaliation for U.S. missile strikes against militants along the Afghan border.

“Soon we will launch an attack in Washington that will amaze everyone in the world,” Mehsud told The Associated Press by phone. He provided no details.

UPDATE at 3/31/09 9:24:16 am:

And meanwhile: Clinton offers olive branch to Taliban.

THE HAGUE (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Tuesday at a U.N. conference on Afghanistan that Taliban members in Afghanistan who abandoned extremism must be granted an “honorable form of reconciliation.”

“We must also support efforts by the government of Afghanistan to separate the extremists of al Qaeda and the Taliban from those who have joined their ranks not out of conviction, but out of desperation,” Clinton said at an international conference on Afghanistan in the Hague.

“This is, in fact, the case for a majority of those fighting with the Taliban,” she told delegates from more than 70 countries at the meeting.

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210 comments
1 CIA Reject  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:10:26am

Well, that didn't take long.

And, so clenched- maybe he needs more fiber ...

2 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:10:58am

Why would they attack when they already have their agent running the country?
/SARC!

3 debutaunt  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:11:15am

He provided no details.

4 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:11:32am
He provided no details.

Really? Was that line necessary?

5 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:11:42am
... the group was planning a terrorist attack on the U.S. capital.


I thought the Khlav Kalash vendor looked a little shifty this morning.

6 Dustyvet  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:12:03am

I'm not sure which is more troubling: the fact that the Taliban claim to be planning attacks against our nation's capital, or the fact that the Associated Press has the Taliban leader's phone number in their rolodex?

The latter. Why? Because the chances of a Taliban planned attack going down in Washington, D.C. seem rather slim at a longshot.

But the AP chit chatting with the Taliban is troubling.

Do journalists get a free pass from the NSA/CIA? I hope not.


[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

7 reggie  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:12:27am
“Soon we will launch an attack in Washington that will amaze everyone in the world,”

Only those who weren't already aware W has retired.

8 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:12:58am
9 Shug  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:12:59am

Islamists smell fear and weakness.

and our foreign policy happens to stink at the moment

10 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:13:01am

Are these the "nice" Taliban that 0bama likes or the "mean" ones?

11 kynna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:13:02am

What is the sound of fists clenching all over the world?

It happens every time Obama 'reaches out'. :P

12 Kobalt  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:13:03am

“Soon we will launch an attack in Washington that will amaze everyone in the world,” Mehsud told The Associated Press by phone. He provided no details.

Gosh, what would the 93% of people in washington who voted for BO think of liberalism THEN?

13 Macker  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:13:35am

Quick! Оба́ма must use his amazing powers to convince the Taliban to Unclench their Fists!

/

14 zombie  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:13:38am

Meanwhile, Hillary and Karzai are offering a power-sharing agreement to the Taliban!

Message: terrorism works!

15 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:13:58am

Don't worry. Obama will talk to him and make him see reason.
Do I need a sarc tag?

16 Kobalt  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:14:02am

re: #2 Kosh's Shadow

Why would they attack when they already have their agent running the country?
/SARC!

quoted for truth.

17 jaunte  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:14:04am

re: #12 Kobalt

“Soon we will launch an attack in Washington that will amaze everyone in the world,” Mehsud told The Associated Press by phone. He provided no details.

Gosh, what would the 93% of people in washington who voted for BO think of liberalism THEN?

I'll give it a shot:
"Those damn Rethuglicans and their gulags didn't keep us safe!"

18 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:14:15am

Is the egg still on the desk ?
Better get some stress balls.
Have at it.

19 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:14:19am

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me. or something like that?

20 CIA Reject  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:14:22am

re: #12 Kobalt

“Soon we will launch an attack in Washington that will amaze everyone in the world,” Mehsud told The Associated Press by phone. He provided no details.

Gosh, what would the 93% of people in washington who voted for BO think of liberalism THEN?

In all likelihood they will apologize- the survivors anyway.

21 sattv4u2  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:14:31am

Dear Baitullah Mehsud,

I would gladly meet you on the Washington Mall at a day and time of your choosing. I assure you that I will amaze YOU.

Regards, SATTV4U2

22 kynna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:14:39am

re: #10 Bloodnok

Are these the "nice" Taliban that 0bama likes or the "mean" ones?

Obama thinks the "nice" ones are the Tall-ee-bahn. He's not so sure about those Taliban jerks. Where'd they come from?

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23 Shug  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:14:50am

re: #10 Bloodnok

Are these the "nice" Taliban that 0bama likes or the "mean" ones?


Once you figure out that the nice ones are really the mean ones after all, you usually have a lot of dead people.

that's the problem with trusting any of them. you will get burned

24 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:14:52am

re: #18 SasquatchOnSteroids

Better get some stress balls.

He needs those too.

25 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:14:55am

Of course, they could have a Pakistani nuke by now.

Where's Team America: World Police when you need them?
Unfortunately, sometimes, I think our administration's view isn't "America, F*ck yeah!", but "F*ck America!"

26 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:15:15am

As we saw in Mumbai, it only takes few dedicated jihadists to kill a lot of people.

27 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:15:48am
28 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:15:57am

Maybe Obama will wake up as he's threatened.

29 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:16:13am
“Soon we will launch an attack in Washington that will amaze everyone in the world,” Mehsud told The Associated Press by phone. He provided no details.

He has an advantage over us. He has no New York Times to deal with. The NYT would be happy to publish details if it was us that were planning to attack.
/

30 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:16:21am

re: #28 Mr. In get Mr. Out

Maybe Obama will wake up as he's threatened.

HA!

31 AMER1CAN  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:16:22am

Did anyone tell him that Obama won the election and a title wave of goodwill and love is spreading across the world? Did he not get the memo?

/

32 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:16:26am

re: #28 Mr. In get Mr. Out

Maybe Obama will wake up as he's threatened.

Just long enough to surrender.

33 Kragar  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:16:27am

re: #25 Kosh's Shadow

Of course, they could have a Pakistani nuke by now.

Where's Team America: World Police when you need them?
Unfortunately, sometimes, I think our administration's view isn't "America, F*ck yeah!", but "F*ck America!"

We're stuck with the pussies and assholes right now

34 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:16:32am

Is there any possibility that such a direct threat will make Obama realize that these people can not be reasoned with?

Yeah.

I don't think so either. He is too surrounded by the people we were discussing in the last thread to see anything but adoration until it blows up in his face...literally.

35 kynna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:16:35am

re: #26 Ringo the Gringo

As we saw in Mumbai, it only takes few dedicated jihadists to kill a lot of people.

Especially when nobody's allowed to have a gun (despite the SCOTUS ruling) and the only one's carrying are easy to spot and kill first.

It will be Bush's fault, no doubt. I wonder how many gitmo grads will be there.

36 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:16:46am

Don't worry, Biden is on a plane, 'cause nobody messes with Joe.

37 Kobalt  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:17:11am

re: #20 CIA Reject

In all likelihood they will apologize- the survivors anyway.

Ugh...you are probably right and the thought SICKENS me. America and its freedom was not born of apologies to vile dictators.

38 CIA Reject  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:17:18am

re: #28 Mr. In get Mr. Out

Maybe Obama will wake up as he's threatened.

I'm sure he has the USSS working overtime to make sure his *ss is protected.

The rest of us, not so much ...

39 tfc3rid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:17:22am

I wonder if the PResident is going to pay a surprise visit to the troops in IRaq or Afghanistan while he is overseas...

40 Bobblehead  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:17:27am

And so it begins. No lessons learned from 9/11. Wake up America!

41 zombie  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:17:32am

Afghan leader offers deal to non-Al-Qaida Taliban

Afghan President Hamid Karzai and U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton offered an olive branch Tuesday to Taliban fighters who reject al-Qaida

Maybe we just haven't learned how to correctly translate "unclench" into Pashto?

42 Shug  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:17:33am

The president will simply remove all the 3's from White House Clocks.

It's never 3 AM on his watch

43 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:17:50am

re: #31 AMER1CAN

Did anyone tell him that Obama won the election and a title wave of goodwill and love is spreading across the world? Did he not get the memo?

/

The clouds with unicorns and rainbows takes awhile to float across the ocean. Give it time.

44 sattv4u2  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:18:13am

re: #21 sattv4u2

Dear Baitullah Mehsud,

I would gladly meet you on the Washington Mall at a day and time of your choosing. I assure you that I will amaze YOU.

Regards, SATTV4U2

PS ,,,,Would you be so kind as to bring the One Eyed Mullah with you. I could bring some balance to him by releiving him of that bothersome working one!

45 mad mullah  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:18:13am

Are the taliban really a threat? I mean, uh, what is their manifesto? I'm not scared of anybody, I'm from brooklyn. I don't trust what anybody says.

46 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:18:14am

re: #26 Ringo the Gringo

As we saw in Mumbai, it only takes few dedicated jihadists to kill a lot of people.

I suggest arming every citizen of the US and require them to be at hand at all times....


HEINLEIN FOR DICTATOR!

47 seekeroftruth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:18:55am

re: #6 Dustyvet

I'm not sure which is more troubling: the fact that the Taliban claim to be planning attacks against our nation's capital, or the fact that the Associated Press has the Taliban leader's phone number in their rolodex?

The latter. Why? Because the chances of a Taliban planned attack going down in Washington, D.C. seem rather slim at a longshot.

But the AP chit chatting with the Taliban is troubling.

Do journalists get a free pass from the NSA/CIA? I hope not.

[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

I was wondering that same thing. One of the AP articles mentions that Baitullah Mehsud has a $5 million bounty on his head from the U.S. Is the AP getting away with making contact with this terrorist who is threatening our country without revealing their information to the authorities?

48 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:19:02am

Mehsud is behind a bunch of recent terror attacks inside Pakistan and the Frontier Provinces. He's more organized and his thugs are far more adept at attacking actual army forces - going after the Pakistani army and killing anyone and everyone in their path. Mehsud's terrorists took on the police in Lahore and attacked their police academy. Other Mehsud terrorists have killed hundreds of Pakistanis this year.

Mehsud is doing all he can to establish a Taliban regime in the provinces, but his power extends well beyond into Afghanistan and Pakistan proper. His power and capabilities are extremely dangerous and should not be underestimated.

49 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:19:31am

Whatever mistakes may have been made under Bush and Republican leadership, I never doubted that they had our best interests in mind.
With Obama and the batshit crazy Democrats under Pelosi in charge I have immense doubts.

50 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:19:36am

re: #10 Bloodnok

Are these the "nice" Taliban that 0bama likes or the "mean" ones?

Is that anything like good and bad cholesterol?

51 Golem Akbar  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:19:40am

/Bush lied, people...oh well, never mind.

52 jorline  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:19:54am

Clearly Baitullah Mehsud hasn't heard PBO's message. Why would anyone want to hurt us?
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53 Shug  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:19:59am

Speaking of fat kids with no game,

has anybody heard from Adam Gadahn lately?

54 blueroom127  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:20:04am
“Soon we will launch an attack Man Caused Disaster in Washington that will amaze everyone in the world,”
55 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:20:35am

Charles insists on clinging to his old, tired, Bush-era terminology. "Attack"? Nobody says stuff like that anymore. Man, what a fist-clencher he is.

What we're seeing here is an "empathy failure." We need to respond by sending the Taliban truckloads of cash and DVDs of classic American films. If we don't send them sufficient gifts, we risk having a "man-made disaster" (not "attack"), which might necessitate a "global contingency operation."

/bitter sarcasm

56 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:20:38am

re: #37 Kobalt

Ugh...you are probably right and the thought SICKENS me. America and its freedom was not born of apologies to vile dictators.

Apologists make me sick. Too much emotion with very few factual information or logical thought creates these people.

57 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:20:47am

re: #29 LGoPs

He has an advantage over us. He has no New York Times to deal with. The NYT would be happy to publish details if it was us that were planning to attack.
/

The attack, if it comes, will be at a time and place of his choosing. And US attack may mean attacking US interests in the region, whether it's the US embassy in Pakistan or Afghanistan, supply routes, or a mass casualty attack in the course of attacking logistics routes or bases in Afghanistan.

58 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:21:11am

re: #50 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Is that anything like good and bad cholesterol?

Kinda but there is no pill to take.

59 Golem Akbar  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:21:22am

/Quag-miyah (Teddy Kennedy).

60 opnion  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:21:32am

See this is really not a problem. Obama is reaching ou to the "moderate" Taliban. Yeah that's it! That's the ticket!

61 GOP Goalie  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:21:33am

re: #41 zombie

Afghan leader offers deal to non-Al-Qaida Taliban


Maybe we just haven't learned how to correctly translate "unclench" into Pashto?

If recent history is any guide, they'll mis-translate it into "Thank you sir, may I have another?"

62 tfc3rid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:21:42am

The Obama Government does not take the threat of terrorist attack seriously. It is sad to admit but it is true. When we are attacked it will be because he says that the failed policies of the past have made more terrorists... In reality, these terror thugs hate us, will always hate us until we bow down to the sword...

America... We are 71 days into this 4 year nightmare...

63 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:21:44am

re: #14 zombie

Meanwhile, Hillary and Karzai are offering a power-sharing agreement to the Taliban!

Message: terrorism works!

The Terrorism Stimulus Package® is working!

64 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:21:55am

re: #53 Shug

Speaking of fat kids with no game,

has anybody heard from Adam Gadahn lately?

There were rumors over about a year ago that he is taking a dirt nap.

65 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:22:08am
66 Shug  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:22:21am

I question the timing.

Rove is somehow behind this.

To put a damper on the President's European Vacation

/

67 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:22:50am

re: #55 Last Mohican

C
What we're seeing here is an "empathy failure." We need to respond by sending the Taliban truckloads of cash and DVDs of classic American films.


Let's hope the new Secretary of the Arts and Culture selects DVDs for the correct region this time.

68 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:23:00am

re: #62 tfc3rid

The Obama Government does not take the threat of terrorist attack seriously. It is sad to admit but it is true. When we are attacked it will be because he says that the failed policies of the past have made more terrorists... In reality, these terror thugs hate us, will always hate us until we bow down to the sword...

America... We are 71 days into this 4 year nightmare...

Did you hear that the Tigers released Shefield. He is at 499 home runs. One shy of 500? You guys need a right handed hitter?

69 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:23:32am

re: #57 lawhawk

The attack, if it comes, will be at a time and place of his choosing. And US attack may mean attacking US interests in the region, whether it's the US embassy in Pakistan or Afghanistan, supply routes, or a mass casualty attack in the course of attacking logistics routes or bases in Afghanistan.

Exactly. And unfortunately, the best way to ferret out this type of informati0n is by human intelligence which has been surgically removed from our intelligence tool box by Democrats starting with Frank Church back in the '70's. I don't trust Democrats because their judgement is unsound, to say the least.

70 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:23:46am

re: #62 tfc3rid

The Obama Government does not take the threat of terrorist attack seriously. It is sad to admit but it is true. When we are attacked it will be because he says that the failed policies of the past have made more terrorists... In reality, these terror thugs hate us, will always hate us until we bow down to the sword...

America... We are 71 days into this 4 year nightmare...

That's because 0bama has such an ego he can't figure out why anyone would want to hurt him, especially as he reaches out to our enemies.
Their responses seem to only make him reach out more.
Eventually, they'll chop off his hand, but he doesn't realize that.

71 gymnast  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:23:56am

I have to admit to mixed feelings about a successful Taliban attack on Washing DC. It might be just what we need to get back to reality. On the other hand, they might choose to target the wrong people. Inshallah.

72 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:23:57am

re: #64 Nevergiveup

There were rumors over about a year ago that he is taking a dirt nap.

That is such a disgusting Bush-era saying! From now on, please say "he has reduced his carbon footprint to zero."

73 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:24:04am

re: #48 lawhawk

Mehsud is behind a bunch of recent terror attacks inside Pakistan and the Frontier Provinces. He's more organized and his thugs are far more adept at attacking actual army forces - going after the Pakistani army and killing anyone and everyone in their path. Mehsud's terrorists took on the police in Lahore and attacked their police academy. Other Mehsud terrorists have killed hundreds of Pakistanis this year.

Mehsud is doing all he can to establish a Taliban regime in the provinces, but his power extends well beyond into Afghanistan and Pakistan proper. His power and capabilities are extremely dangerous and should not be underestimated.

It is also a great mistake to underestimate the sheer criminal capabilities of those terrorists already caught and sent to prison:
Al Qaeda jailbreak plot to free nine terrorist inmates in hijacked helicopter is foiled

These are not some pre-technological, semi-barbarians.
they know precisely what they are doing, how to achieve their aims, and how to use modern technology to achieve them.
If the attacks in Mumbai last year were not a wake-up call then the danger we all are in has indeed reached levels like those on 9/10.

74 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:24:10am

In other news -

Clinton to N. Korea: There Will Be 'Consequences' for Missile Plan

Secretary of state calls expected rocket launch 'provocation,' says Japan has right to defend itself

"Oh, make us shoot it down, huh? Thanks a lot, BITCH!" - Japan

75 tfc3rid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:24:16am

re: #68 Nevergiveup

Did you hear that the Tigers released Shefield. He is at 499 home runs. One shy of 500? You guys need a right handed hitter?

Not Captain Cancer...

BTW, my Citi Field Gallery from Sunday... Citi Field Opener

76 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:24:46am

re: #72 Who Watches the Watchmen?

That is such a disgusting Bush-era saying! From now on, please say "he has reduced his carbon footprint to zero."

Sorry, his carbon footprint doesn't go to zero until he's done decomposing.

77 Kragar  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:25:11am

I get the distinct impression that when we do get attacked here again, the liberals are going to do more damage to the US in response than the terrorists could ever dream of

78 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:25:15am

re: #26 Ringo the Gringo

If they tried that in the US, I would bet they would be stopped a hell of a lot faster. The fact the Mumbai attack lasted for 3 days is appalling.

79 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:25:24am

re: #2 Kosh's Shadow

Why would they attack when they already have their agent running the country?
/SARC!

Just for fun.

80 tfc3rid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:25:29am

re: #74 Ward Cleaver

In other news -

Clinton to N. Korea: There Will Be 'Consequences' for Missile Plan


"Oh, make us shoot it down, huh? Thanks a lot, BITCH!" - Japan

UN Sanctions! Ooooooooh.

81 Killer Tomato  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:25:37am

re: #70 Kosh's Shadow

That's because 0bama has such an ego he can't figure out why anyone would want to hurt him, especially as he reaches out to our enemies.
Their responses seem to only make him reach out more.
Eventually, they'll chop off his hand, but he doesn't realize that.

I realize you meant that metaphorically, but he, of course, will be safe and sound. A whole bunch of us will be dead.

82 godfrey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:25:58am

So the AP talked to the Taliban commander on the phone. I'm sure he passed the number on to the authorities.

*spit*

The AP is infested.

This is a good opportunity for Obama to release a statement against collusion with the Taliban and supportive of our allies in Pakistan, wherever they are.

*crickets*

Or at least we should hear something from Princess Hillary.

*crickets*

Not only is the USA supine, it's unable to get back up off the floor. Obama reached out to Iran, got slapped, and is evidently standing back, eyes welling with hurt and tears, while our enemies grin at each other and sharpen their knives.

It is a despicable spectacle.

83 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:26:03am

re: #70 Kosh's Shadow

That's because 0bama has such an ego he can't figure out why anyone would want to hurt him, especially as he reaches out to our enemies.
Their responses seem to only make him reach out more.
Eventually, they'll chop off his hand, but he doesn't realize that.

It's like the child down the block that continually hands his lunch money and extra bills to the bully at the bus-stop, then wonders why the bully still punches him in the face.

84 NYCHardhat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:26:14am

Please folks.... Its man-caused-disaster. Got it?

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85 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:26:24am

re: #74 Ward Cleaver

In other news -

Clinton to N. Korea: There Will Be 'Consequences' for Missile Plan

"Oh, make us shoot it down, huh? Thanks a lot, BITCH!" - Japan

That's OK; the extra profits Honda, Toyota, and Nissan get from all the people who buy them instead of GM and Chrysler, now that they're going to be making Trabants, will cover the cost of the missile.

86 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:26:27am

re: #72 Who Watches the Watchmen?

That is such a disgusting Bush-era saying! From now on, please say "he has reduced his carbon footprint to zero."

I'm retro, what can I say?

87 tfc3rid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:27:00am

re: #77 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I get the distinct impression that when we do get attacked here again, the liberals are going to do more damage to the US in response than the terrorists could ever dream of

I agree with you... If the Libs thought that George Bush put 'fascist' policy into place after 9/11, I think what would be done would be tower over that...

88 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:27:20am

re: #66 Shug

Obama's European Vacation

89 tfc3rid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:27:24am

re: #84 NYCHardhat

Please folks.... Its man-caused-disaster. Got it?

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HUMAN-Caused... You have to be PC.

90 pink freud  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:27:55am

Folks ...I'm just not feelin' the love here.

91 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:28:06am

re: #80 tfc3rid

UN Sanctions! Ooooooooh.

starve a few million people to death over the principle of it...I hate the UN

92 brookly red  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:28:15am

re: #77 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I get the distinct impression that when we do get attacked here again, the liberals are going to do more damage to the US in response than the terrorists could ever dream of

Yes & no, the liberals will do more damage in response but the terrorist types are well aware of that.

93 nikis-knight  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:28:27am

I'm going to make a prediction. If, God forbid, Obama gets killed by Islamic terrorists, there will be outcry from media and (other) democratic special interest groups about the right wing culture of hate that led to his demise, attributing his death to opponents of his much needed domestic agenda.

Why do I say this absurd thing? Why wouldn't everyone assume that the president was killed by those who had declared war on the nation he was elected to head the government of?

Because that is exactly what happened when Kennedy was killed. He was shot by a derranged Communist, and yet the story presented was that a culture of hate and opposition to civil rights led directly to his death.

I hope we don't have a chance to test this theory, I dearly do, but if so I predict history would repeat itself, or attempt to.

94 godfrey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:28:48am
carbon footprint

*snort*

This is the kind of phrase that gives the speaker the impression of speaking almost scientifically, to lend scientific prestige to action or sentiment.

No one, of course, actually knows how to measure a person's "carbon footprint."

What it means, really, is "the extent of my conformity with the Green agenda."

95 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:28:55am

re: #62 tfc3rid

The Obama Government does not take the threat of terrorist attack seriously. It is sad to admit but it is true. When we are attacked it will be because he says that the failed policies of the past have made more terrorists... In reality, these terror thugs hate us, will always hate us until we bow down to the sword...

America... We are 71 days into this 4 year nightmare...

That's exactly what he'll say and it needs to be countered strongly and forcefully with a simple question - what accounted for the terrorists prior to 9-11? Was it America's help to Muslims in Somalia. Or perhaps the help we provided in Bosnia? Or the help we provided in throwing off the Soviets in Afghanistan? List all the instances where America has not only been helpful but actually put its troops on the line to effect that help. That argument is clear and understandable and should sink in with all but the most obtsue libtards.

96 CIA Reject  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:28:58am

re: #89 tfc3rid

HUMAN-Caused... You have to be PC.

No problem- it's OK to be patriarchal when you're referring to something negative.
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97 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:29:09am

re: #71 gymnast

I have to admit to mixed feelings about a successful Taliban attack on Washing DC. It might be just what we need to get back to reality. On the other hand, they might choose to target the wrong people. Inshallah.

Have to down ding you there. If there's one thing I want Obama to be successful at, it's to make sure no Americans die, whatever side of the aisle they're on.
Everything else we can yell and scream about, but not that. Ever.

98 opnion  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:29:24am

I wonder if the obama faithful are starting to question this Brave New World that we are in. The world is now supposed to love us since the Criminal Bush has been replaced by the One.
It appears that our enemies respected & feared Bush through their hate.
Now it looks like they have identified BHO as a weak fool.

99 Killer Tomato  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:29:50am

re: #74 Ward Cleaver

In other news -

Clinton to N. Korea: There Will Be 'Consequences' for Missile Plan

I swear it's like watching some people parent.
"Bobby, stop that."
"Right now."
"I said stop it."
"I mean it."
"If you don't stop that you're going to be sorry."
"Stop it, now!"
"I'm going to start counting..."

100 Lincolntf  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:30:47am

re: #78 Kenneth

I agree that an attack would likely not last anywhere near 3 days. But the results of such an attack (in Mumbai, hundreds of innocents killed, all perps killed or caught) could be identical or worse.
Sadly, it's already become almost routine for crazed gunmen to kill people by the bunches before they are taken out by law enforcement. And these are people completely alone, with presumably no training or larger plan than to just keep shooting.

101 Kragar  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:30:54am

Oh fucking great, what the fearless leader's plan to deal with this?

Report: Chinese Develop Special "Kill Weapon" to Destroy U.S. Aircraft Carriers

"The Navy's reaction is telling, because it essentially equals a radical change in direction based on information that has created a panic inside the bubble. For a major military service to panic due to a new weapon system, clearly a mission kill weapon system, either suggests the threat is legitimate or the leadership of the Navy is legitimately unqualified. There really aren't many gray spaces in evaluating the reaction by the Navy…the data tends to support the legitimacy of the threat."

102 tfc3rid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:30:55am

re: #95 LGoPs

The problem is they just don't get it... They have a worldview of 30 minutes... There was 9/11, nothing before it...

103 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:31:29am

re: #95 LGoPs

That's exactly what he'll say and it needs to be countered strongly and forcefully with a simple question - what accounted for the terrorists prior to 9-11? Was it America's help to Muslims in Somalia. Or perhaps the help we provided in Bosnia? Or the help we provided in throwing off the Soviets in Afghanistan? List all the instances where America has not only been helpful but actually put its troops on the line to effect that help. That argument is clear and understandable and should sink in with all but the most obtsue obtuse libtards.

PIMF

104 tfc3rid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:31:35am

re: #101 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

The sad thing is that the 'Kill WEapon' was made with American scrap metal...

105 Russkilitlover  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:31:56am

re: #87 tfc3rid

I agree with you... If the Libs thought that George Bush put 'fascist' policy into place after 9/11, I think what would be done would be tower over that...

They Bush/Fascist hysteria was pure projection.

106 godfrey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:32:01am

re: #99 Killer Tomato

What a ludicrous boob Hillary is. She says

"There will be consequences" if North Korea launches a missile, she said, noting possible U.N. Security Council actions. "Japan has every right to protect and defend its territory."

and yet:

Tokyo has said it is only protecting its territory and has no intention of trying to shoot down the rocket itself

Clearly our diplomatic corps is in the very best of hands.

107 tfc3rid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:32:29am

re: #105 Russkilitlover

They Bush/Fascist hysteria was pure projection.

Of course it was... They wouldn't know fascism if they lived in a fascist state...

108 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:32:50am

re: #74 Ward Cleaver

In other news -

Clinton to N. Korea: There Will Be 'Consequences' for Missile Plan

"Oh, make us shoot it down, huh? Thanks a lot, BITCH!" - Japan

There will be serious consequences if the US does not stop the test or chooses not to shoot it down. Consequences such as:

Lil Kim's major propaganda success.
NoKo & Iran improving their ballistic missile technology.
Japan, South Korea & Taiwan all building their own nuclear weapons.
China being extremely unhappy at Taiwan getting nuclear weapons and preemptively invading the island to stop it from happening.

This could result in the worst loss of US prestige in the region since the Vietnam War.

109 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:32:58am

re: #101 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Oh fucking great, what the fearless leader's plan to deal with this?

Report: Chinese Develop Special "Kill Weapon" to Destroy U.S. Aircraft Carriers

Lizardlanche!

110 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:33:01am

re: #97 SasquatchOnSteroids

Have to down ding you there. If there's one thing I want Obama to be successful at, it's to make sure no Americans die, whatever side of the aisle they're on.
Everything else we can yell and scream about, but not that. Ever.

Yes. I hope they catch the terrorists on their way to attack.
Although in some ways, I hope it is some armed private citizens that do so, because they slipped through the holes 0 made in homeland security (not that it was ever that good.)

111 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:33:06am

re: #99 Killer Tomato

I swear it's like watching some people parent.
"Bobby, stop that."
"Right now."
"I said stop it."
"I mean it."
"If you don't stop that you're going to be sorry."
"Stop it, now!"
"I'm going to start counting..."

I think the S Koreans should sucker punch the Norks and defend their border vigorously thereafter....diplomacy is a waste of time

112 subsailor68  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:33:30am

re: #71 gymnast

I have to admit to mixed feelings about a successful Taliban attack on Washing DC. It might be just what we need to get back to reality. On the other hand, they might choose to target the wrong people. Inshallah.

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with that premise. The folks in Washington D.C. are my fellow Americans. I would consider any attack on them an attack on me, my family, and my friends - no matter whether I knew any of these folks or not.

And I would volunteer willingly to do whatever I could to help protect or assist them.

113 Harry Schell  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:33:32am

I hope they pull it off just enough to put the Olive Branch into Hillary where the sun doesn't shine and rain heavily on Barry's Excellent Adventure...

And some armed citizen gets the honor of bagging one or more of the terrorists. They are not jihadis...that term has positive connotations in Islam. They are just rank criminals and cowards.

114 tfc3rid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:33:35am

re: #108 Kenneth

This could result in the worst loss of US prestige in the region since the Vietnam War.

But the idiots running the asylum don't get that...

115 Russkilitlover  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:33:38am

re: #97 SasquatchOnSteroids

Have to down ding you there. If there's one thing I want Obama to be successful at, it's to make sure no Americans die, whatever side of the aisle they're on.
Everything else we can yell and scream about, but not that. Ever.

Besides, there are stunningly beautiful monuments and museums in DC, not to mention more than a few Lizards.

116 godfrey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:33:41am

re: #107 tfc3rid

Why, if hard left fascists are in control, it's not fascism at all: it's social and economic justice.

You need to be scheduled for double-plus-ungood deprogramming.

117 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:33:56am

re: #74 Ward Cleaver

In other news -

Clinton to N. Korea: There Will Be 'Consequences' for Missile Plan

"Oh, make us shoot it down, huh? Thanks a lot, BITCH!" - Japan

Another brilliant move by Hillary. North Korea is planning to launch that missile directly at Hawaii, and it can reach Hawaii if they want it to, and they have a nuclear warhead that they might be able to fit onto it. But to get to Hawaii, the missile will have to pass over Japan. Therefore, this is Japan's problem, and there's no need for us to get involved.

Maybe if the North Koreans vaporize Hawaii, we'll send a strongly worded letter of condemnation to Japan.

118 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:34:02am

re: #105 Russkilitlover

They Bush/Fascist hysteria was pure projection.

Precisely. A good rule of thumb to follow if you're not sure what the liberals want to do is listen to their screeching accusations about Republicans - usually demonstrably untrue - and use that as a template to predict their own plans.

119 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:34:11am

re: #104 tfc3rid

The sad thing is that the 'Kill WEapon' was made with American scrap metal...

Made from old Chevrolets.

120 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:34:43am

re: #74 Ward Cleaver

In other news -

Clinton to N. Korea: There Will Be 'Consequences' for Missile Plan

Certainly she doesn't mean consequences that differ from those imposed by Madelyn and her husband?

121 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:34:53am

re: #99 Killer Tomato

I swear it's like watching some people parent.
"Bobby, stop that."
"Right now."
"I said stop it."
"I mean it."
"If you don't stop that you're going to be sorry."
"Stop it, now!"
"I'm going to start counting..."

Not to go completely off-topic, but I despise that type of parenting, because those parents have no authority and simply get run over by their childrens' desires.

122 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:35:01am

re: #117 Last Mohican

Another brilliant move by Hillary. North Korea is planning to launch that missile directly at Hawaii, and it can reach Hawaii if they want it to, and they have a nuclear warhead that they might be able to fit onto it. But to get to Hawaii, the missile will have to pass over Japan. Therefore, this is Japan's problem, and there's no need for us to get involved.

Maybe if the North Koreans vaporize Hawaii, we'll send a strongly worded letter of condemnation to Japan.

That'll show the Norks!

123 tfc3rid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:35:23am

re: #116 godfrey

Why, if hard left fascists are in control, it's not fascism at all: it's social and economic justice.

You need to be scheduled for double-plus-ungood deprogramming.

If they can catch me...

124 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:35:42am

re: #101 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Oh fucking great, what the fearless leader's plan to deal with this?

Report: Chinese Develop Special "Kill Weapon" to Destroy U.S. Aircraft Carriers

A mach 10 missile that has a long range, sophisticated guidance, and stealth? What, do they have UFO technology?
Something is funny about this.

125 SaracensAtTheGates  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:35:51am

Since November there aren't any true conservatives remaining in Washington.... Hey, it's just a thought.

126 tfc3rid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:36:05am

re: #120 unrealizedviewpoint

Certainly she doesn't mean consequences that differ from those imposed by Madelyn and her husband?

Shhhh... That will never be spoken of...

127 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:36:08am

re: #107 tfc3rid

Of course it was... They wouldn't know fascism if they lived in a fascist state...

And some of them will be happy with that because they will be the Brownshirts that enforce the state's policies. Or in the communist model they will be the apparatchiks and commissars.
Bastards, every last one of them.

128 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:36:22am

re: #108 Kenneth

This could result in the worst loss of US prestige in the region since the Vietnam War.

"But... that would be a GOOD thing."

-Libs

129 jorline  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:36:32am

re: #101 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Oh fucking great, what the fearless leader's plan to deal with this?

Report: Chinese Develop Special "Kill Weapon" to Destroy U.S. Aircraft Carriers

PBO's plan is for us to run and hide...become cave dwellers.
Passive strength through open communication.
*spit*

130 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:36:34am

re: #5 Occasional Reader

I thought the Khlav Kalash vendor looked a little shifty this morning.

Crab juice, please!

131 godfrey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:36:37am
Nuclear-armed North Korea warned Japan on Tuesday that intervening in Pyongyang's impending rocket launch would be considered an act of war.

Where is China in all this?

132 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:36:42am
133 Killer Tomato  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:36:53am

re: #121 Mr. In get Mr. Out

And right now, what you're witnessing in this country is the result of (partly) just that thing.

134 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:37:03am

re: #121 Mr. In get Mr. Out

Ultimately, their children hate that kind of parenting too as it leaves them without a sense of security that fair consistent boundaries & rules provide.

135 tfc3rid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:37:12am

People, we can not in any way say, 'Maybe it would not be a bad thing...'

ANY terror attack on US soil would be an atrocity and a further Act of War... We can never advocate or privately hope for that in ANY way...

Come on...

136 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:37:19am

What generates this?

Islam.

137 Kragar  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:37:20am

re: #131 godfrey

Where is China in all this?

Watching us to gauge our reaction

138 Right mind left  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:37:22am

re: #119 Ward Cleaver

Made from old Chevrolets.

And interest income, tariff income and GDP income from US, their enemy...!

139 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:37:27am

re: #114 tfc3rid

But the idiots running the asylum don't get that...

No, our administration doesn't think the US deserves prestige.

140 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:37:35am

re: #117 Last Mohican

Maybe if the North Koreans vaporize Hawaii, we'll send a strongly worded letter of condemnation to Japan.

"Was it 'over' when the Japanese nuked Pearl Harbor? Hell, no!"

-President Barack H. Blutarsky

141 opnion  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:37:42am

An attack on DC by the Taliban with the loss of life & humiliation would be a disaster.
Why not let the Saudis know that if they don't reign in the terrorism that the helped create, that something really diasterous will happen to that kabaa monolith.
I know that the Taliban is not a direst report to the Saudis , but I bet that they could have influence.

142 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:37:43am

Talibans from GITMO are coming to my neighborhood, Alexandria, Virginia--thanks, President Obama and Sec. of State Clinton!

Yes, Democrats no doubt think it a GOOD THING to welcome Taliban troopers to George Washington's ancestral home here 6 miles south of Washington, DC--a short Metro ride to the Pentagon too!

Please don't ask me to pay their welfare checks, in addition to their excellent healthcare & dental benefits & culturally sensitive kebab with rice pilaf, while I'm looking for work after a reduction in forces.

(Wasn't it bad enough the Clintons gave the Taliban and Al Qaeda carte blanche, free ride, equal opportunity to damage our country for 8 years straight, while also serenading Yasser Arafat in the White House Lincoln Bedroom?)

143 JohnnyReb  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:37:50am

re: #108 Kenneth

This could result in the worst loss of US prestige in the region since the Vietnam War.

Or a bunch of very large glass parking lots in a very short period of time.

Seriously, China will not simply step aside and let Formosa/Taiwan obtain nukes, period. They will invade and they have the equipment and manpower to do it right now. If they get even a whiff of a nuke there, they will jump right in with both feet.

144 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:37:54am

re: #117 Last Mohican

Another brilliant move by Hillary. North Korea is planning to launch that missile directly at Hawaii, and it can reach Hawaii if they want it to, and they have a nuclear warhead that they might be able to fit onto it. But to get to Hawaii, the missile will have to pass over Japan. Therefore, this is Japan's problem, and there's no need for us to get involved.

Maybe if the North Koreans vaporize Hawaii, we'll send a strongly worded letter of condemnation to Japan.

why in the world would they want to nuke Hawaii?

145 godfrey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:37:55am

re: #134 Kenneth

Kids see through the sheer neglect implied in that approach. Every time.

146 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:38:18am

re: #129 jorline

Passive strength through open communication.

Rotating title nomination.

147 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:38:32am

re: #99 Killer Tomato

There will be consequences; such as Japan finally moving out from the post-WW2 defense only doctrine and one that takes a more offensive position in that part of the world. That will be much to China and Korea's consternation (and fulfill's China's old dictum - may we live in interesting times).

148 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:38:51am

re: #131 godfrey

Where is China in all this?

Trying desperately to keep a lid on things without making that little maniac (whichever one it may be) do something stupid and cause hundreds of thousands of starving, desperate NorK civilians to start streaming into China.

They need to keep the NorK's as a club or mad-dog to keep that part of Asia on its toes and antsy, without, however, allowing things to get out of hand. They don't want an Asian war right now, and they sure as hell don't want to have to deal with NorK refugees.

149 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:39:03am

This story reminds me; time to check the expiration dates on my gas mask filters.

150 tfc3rid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:39:06am

re: #139 Kosh's Shadow

No, our administration doesn't think the US deserves prestige.

We're just 1 of hundreds of countries... That is really how they feel...

To them, we are not a Shining City on a Hill...

151 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:39:33am

re: #131 godfrey

Where is China in all this?

China is carefully watching how far North Korea can push Obama around.

152 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:39:34am

re: #140 Occasional Reader

"Was it 'over' when the Japanese nuked Pearl Harbor? Hell, no!"

-President Barack H. Blutarsky

Bluto would make a better president.

153 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:39:54am
“Soon we will launch an attack in Washington that will amaze everyone in the world,” Mehsud told The Associated Press by phone. He provided no details.

Does this mean he is responsible for Geithner at Treasury?

154 godfrey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:40:05am

re: #144 albusteve

To show the NK people that their government is badass, to cement their brains further into a totalitarian Stockholm Syndrome, and ... because it's so darn cool -- in the regime's utterly demented world-view.

155 Killer Tomato  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:40:47am

re: #153 Leonidas Hoplite

Naw. That attack was already launched.

156 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:41:17am

re: #26 Ringo the Gringo

As we saw in Mumbai, it only takes few dedicated jihadists to kill a lot of people.

As long as there are no armed citizens about to stop them.

157 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:41:17am

re: #154 godfrey

To show the NK people that their government is badass, to cement their brains further into a totalitarian Stockholm Syndrome, and ... because it's so darn cool -- in the regime's utterly demented world-view.

not going to happen....not at all plausible

158 pink freud  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:41:23am

You ever get the feeling you're an oddity?

Efforts to label Obama as a socialist also seem to be failing: “62 percent see Obama as a ‘new-style,’ fiscally responsible Democrat; fewer, about a third, label him an "old-style" Democrat oriented toward taxing and spending.”
Your text to link...

6 in 10 Back His Handling of Economy

159 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:41:28am
160 Macker  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:41:36am

re: #42 Shug

Or 3 PM for that matter.

161 pink freud  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:41:49am

re: #158 pink freud

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

162 godfrey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:42:16am

Is the Nork Regime scared of China? Couldn't we agree to some import deals from China if that would help them apply pressure?

163 tfc3rid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:42:37am

re: #158 pink freud

That's because people aren't educated enough to know what socialsm and statism mean...

It's mainstream man...

164 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:42:48am

re: #101 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Oh fucking great, what the fearless leader's plan to deal with this?

Report: Chinese Develop Special "Kill Weapon" to Destroy U.S. Aircraft Carriers

There was an article I read last week, can't remember where, that the Soviet ( yeah it's still the soviet commie bastards ) have in essence seeded us control of the seas, but in any conflict will use nuclear tipped sub and surfaced launched cruise missiles to take out our Carrier Groups.

165 godfrey  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:42:51am

re: #157 albusteve

It doesn't have to work. Totalitarians love symbolic power.

166 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:42:52am

re: #144 albusteve

why in the world would they want to nuke Hawaii?

Well, they can. But in fact, I think they won't. In my opinion, North Korea is after money. They'll keep testing new missiles and weapons technology, in hopes of extorting even more bribes from America, especially now that there's an American administration whose explicit policy is to avoid confrontation by trying to pay our enemies not to attack us.

And while they're doing this, North Korea will seek to raise more cash by selling missiles and/or nuclear warheads to other countries or non-state terrorists groups that will buy them. The more they develop and test more advanced missiles and warheads, the more money they can get by selling them to terrorists.

The sooner we stop playing this game, the better.

167 tfc3rid  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:42:57am

re: #162 godfrey

Is the Nork Regime scared of China? Couldn't we agree to some import deals from China if that would help them apply pressure?

The Chinese are pulling the strings in Pyongyang...

168 yma o hyd  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:43:00am

re: #108 Kenneth

This could result in the worst loss of US prestige in the region since the Vietnam War.

And this at a time where China holds the economical aces - and where China looks to have acquired some military aces as well, see Kragar's post

Fun times ... NOT!

169 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:43:13am

re: #143 JohnnyReb

Yup. Obama is ignorant of history and does not understand how the real world works. Power is the exercise of power. If the US fails to act, the US will loose power & influence in the region. China stands to gain.

170 capitalist piglet  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:43:24am

re: #154 godfrey

To show the NK people that their government is badass, to cement their brains further into a totalitarian Stockholm Syndrome, and ... because it's so darn cool -- in the regime's utterly demented world-view.

I also think it might be a mistake to project rationality onto an individual who has his population subsisting on tree bark and rats.

171 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:44:33am

re: #162 godfrey

Is the Nork Regime scared of China? Couldn't we agree to some import deals from China if that would help them apply pressure?

You can bet your ass that the North Koreans KNOW that any missiles they launch better NOT go anywhere near Chinese territory.

172 jorline  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:45:32am

The problem with Obama's "Transparency Plan".

Our enemies can clearly see our countries leadership are chicken shits.

173 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:45:46am

re: #162 godfrey

Is the Nork Regime scared of China? Couldn't we agree to some import deals from China if that would help them apply pressure?

China is using the Norks...it does not cost them much of their new wealth...if the Noks ceased to exist for some reason they might even feel some relief

174 Mike McDaniel  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:46:19am

re: #101 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Oh fucking great, what the fearless leader's plan to deal with this?

Report: Chinese Develop Special "Kill Weapon" to Destroy U.S. Aircraft Carriers

That's why the Navy is shifting emphasis to ships with anti-missile capabilities. A reprocured DDG-51 buy vice DDG-1000, for example. Though I have doubts about the ability of the Chinese to target a ship under way...it's harder than you think.

175 seekeroftruth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:46:29am

re: #161 pink freud

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

It's Washington Post-ABC News poll. I wouldn't put much stock in the poll. Most of their polls over sampled democrats through out the past year.

176 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:46:34am

All this talk of frightening instability - the Taliban threats; Nork missile test and possible reactions form Japan; Red China's reaction to a Taiwan nuclear intiative - highlights the point to me that a strong America stands as a bulwark against this type of instability. One of the most basic lessons of life is that weakness invites aggression and adventurism. Strength does the opposite. The irony is that under Reagan's strength the world was a much more predictable, and safer place. Under Democratic leadership we set the stage for being challenged and become less safe.
It is the liberal inability to understand this basic truth that is maddening to me and puts us all in peril.

177 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:46:38am

re: #162 godfrey

Is the Nork Regime scared of China? Couldn't we agree to some import deals from China if that would help them apply pressure?

The fear is mutual, though. Privately, a number of Party officials have been developing scenarios to deal with the inevitable collapse of the NorK regime. Their chief fears are the destabilizing potential of a ballistic-missile power, whose entire people have received military training and viciously effective indoctrination suddenly being loosed from the control of a nearly god-like government. This is not exactly the sort of thing you want on your back-porch, and yet this is what the PRC has to deal with.

Already, there are many NorK civvies trying to defect to China, for a "better life" as an illegal alien; when they're found, they're deported forthwith, to certain and slow death in the prison camps in their "motherland." In spite of the risks to them and their families, these people are willing to risk it all for a shot as a starving, hunted existence in the PRC.

178 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:48:51am

As for Taiwan matters. The PRC would go ballistic (no pun intended) were the ROC to go nuclear, but there have been rumors for ages that the ROC already has this capacity, and the PRC knows it. One theory is that both sides play this little game in order to keep the domestic constituencies happy and scared.

179 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:48:51am
180 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:49:18am

re: #174 Mike McDaniel

That's why the Navy is shifting emphasis to ships with anti-missile capabilities. A reprocured DDG-51 buy vice DDG-1000, for example. Though I have doubts about the ability of the Chinese to target a ship under way...it's harder than you think.

In one way, I'm glad the DDG-1000 class was canceled. It was named the Zumwalt class, after Carter's head of the Navy.
I've heard from people in the Navy under Zumwalt, and he doesn't deserve a garbage scow named after him.

181 Guanxi88  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:49:29am

re: #179 Iron Fist

Dear leader knows that rat is all white meat. Besides, they are all out of dog...

Hell, they're outta rat, too. Indeed, the few visitors to the North note the alarming lack of animals of any description.

182 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:50:38am

re: #158 pink freud

“62 percent see Obama as a ‘new-style,’ fiscally responsible Democrat

Wow.

Do they also see Mohammad Atta as a careful, competent airline pilot? I mean, what else exactly would Obama would have to do to change that perception?

183 lurking faith  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:51:19am

re: #9 Shug

Islamists smell fear and weakness.

and our foreign policy happens to stink at the moment

Weakness, absolutely. But I kinda suspect that this POTUS is too stupid/ignorant to be appropriately afraid.

184 lurking faith  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:54:32am

re: #46 albusteve

I suggest arming every citizen of the US and require them to be at hand at all times....


HEINLEIN FOR DICTATOR!

Sadly, he's dead - but I'd vote for his widow.

185 bulwrk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:55:07am

re: #164 Nevergiveup

but in any conflict will use nuclear tipped sub and surfaced launched cruise missiles to take out our Carrier Groups.


A carrier has nuclear strike capability and is therefor considered a strategic asset,so it means Russia or China will have to make the decision to go all in before striking a carrier group.Something I do not believe they would ever do.

186 Kenneth  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:56:14am

re: #182 Occasional Reader

Wow.

Do they also see Mohammad Atta as a careful, competent airline pilot? I mean, what else exactly would Obama would have to do to change that perception?

But Obama only crashed Wall Street metaphorically.

187 essayons7  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:01:59am

If this is the result of BHO's foreign policy - or lack thereof - then I may have to alter my statement concerning me wanting him to fail.

It seems it doesn't matter what I want, he's failing anyway. And we're going to pay the price.

Just wonderful.

188 SixDegrees  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:07:53am

I'm always glad to hear the Taliban or al Quaeda announce upcoming attacks. It is a certainty that they've got less than nothing, and are simply flapping their lips. There has never, ever been an instance of a pre-announced attack taking place. It's sheer bravado on their part, and it typically means they're in desperate straits.

I start worrying when they clam up and go silent.

189 HDrepub  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:23:50am

re: #175 seekeroftruth

It's Washington Post-ABC News poll. I wouldn't put much stock in the poll. Most of their polls over sampled democrats through out the past year.

It's questionable as to whether most Americans don't blame Obama for the mess, but he's working on changing that every day in my opinion. I say in six months he will own the recession. Let's hope it doesn't get any worse than that, as the admin will try to usurp even more power than it already has if we go into a depression.

190 Pupdawg  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:25:52am

Let the appeasing, cowering in the corner behind a locked door in the farthest room of the White House and calls to 911 to commence from Mr. TOTUS.

191 brent  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:27:17am

These jokers want to attack Washington? Do they not read the newspapers?

I think they may find they have to stand in a long line for that.

/not advocating violence, just sayin' the DC crowd has made a lot of enemies of late OFF

192 StillAMarine  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:27:47am

re: #188 SixDegrees

I'm always glad to hear the Taliban or al Quaeda announce upcoming attacks. It is a certainty that they've got less than nothing, and are simply flapping their lips. There has never, ever been an instance of a pre-announced attack taking place. It's sheer bravado on their part, and it typically means they're in desperate straits.

I start worrying when they clam up and go silent.

I do not think the Taliban are as stupid as some other administrations I know as to to announce their intentions in advance.
SixDegrees got it right.

193 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:39:22am

It sounds like Hilary is trying to make lovy dovey with Al Queda, so it does not attack NYC, it only attacks DC.

194 sevoguy  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:46:07am

It's time to leave the Middle East. Let's go home and secure our borders and stop islamic infiltration of our country. No muslims means No Terrorist attacks.

195 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:50:13am

Do I have to freakin explain to you lizards how he can easily attack cities in the US? He already has "friends" here. I don't want to give these nut cases ideas to make plans to do it.

196 kawfytawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 10:50:50am

re: #194 sevoguy

No muslims means No Terrorist attacks.

hmmmm....Just curious as to how you would explain McVeigh?

197 shanec99  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:02:14am

re: #196 kawfytawk
You oviously don't read enough. There are well researched docoments that demonstrate Tim McVeigh's Islamic connection.
[Link: foehammer.net...]

[Link: eyeonhate.com...]

If you want more references I can provide them. The media have for the most part ignored this evidence, but the Court documents spelling them out are a matter of public record.

198 Lee Coller  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:12:59am

Islamic terrorists tend not to announce attacks in advance. They perform them and then claim credit. The fact that they are threatening to perform an attack probably means they don't have the capability to actually launch it in the first place.

199 Noam Chumpski  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:24:35am

It may have been said before, but this reminds me of how glad I am that we are a Republic of States rather than a straight Democracy.

God forbid DC is taken off-line with some horrendous device, but the fact that we have working (and capable) State Government systems in place is the check against complete societal break down.

We can always re-elect new Federal tools to screw up our lives.

Of course, I've been wrong before... and I'm reminded that 50% of this nation thinks that the Feds are the only form of Government that we have. Sadness.

Well, I'm off to the bulk food/ammo stores now... lol

200 kawfytawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:24:59am

re: #197 shanec99

Are you saying McVeigh converted to Islam and was part of the muslim brotherhood (for lack of a better description)? From what I have read, although I have to admit, I have not made a thorough investigation of it, McVeigh was an America hating stooge who pretty much saddled up to the idea of "an enemy of my enemy is my friend".

And yes, I read....thanks for the sarcasm. :OP

My point was McVeigh was not a crazed "muslim" but rather a crazed homegrown American. For example :Bill Ayers and his group, the bell tower sniper ....all terrorists....I'm just saying is it may be unwise to believe that only a muslim can wear the terrorist title. Just saying

201 kawfytawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:26:17am

re: #199 Noam Chumpski

We can always re-elect new Federal tools to screw up our lives.


LOL

202 NCO77  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 12:56:24pm

I predict that within two hours of an attack, obama will surrender. He and the mainstream media will say its for the best, and the 53% of sheeple who voted for the idiot will agree.

203 blangwort  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 1:14:58pm

re: #141 opnion

Why not let the Saudis know that if they don't reign in the terrorism that the helped create, that something really diasterous will happen to that kabaa monolith.
I know that the Taliban is not a direst report to the Saudis , but I bet that they could have influence.

I have a better idea: Why not let the Pakistanis know that if they don't reign in their little home made monster that we'll do it for them, no matter where they lurk --even in Pakistan.

Governing a country means setting down a rule of law and being able to enforce it. If they can't get the cooperation of the population to enforce a law, then they don't really govern there anyway. And for those who harbor such evil people, they need to know that we have all sorts of long range weapons with all sorts of war-heads.

Or perhaps we'll simply let them know that if they don't stop this group with whatever means necessary, we're going to ally ourselves with the democracy in the region: India.

Naturally, I hope this guy is just blowing smoke. But if there is a plan, he'd better pray to Allah that it will fail. For if it goes as planned, even our Commander in Chief on his European Vacation with his flaccid bunch of socialists won't be able to stop the uproar that will result from such an act.

204 Lee Coller  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:25:50pm

re: #203 blangwort

I have a better idea: Why not let the Pakistanis know that if they don't reign in their little home made monster that we'll do it for them, no matter where they lurk --even in Pakistan.

Despite all Obama's faults this is the one thing he's actually done better than Bush at (at least from my perspective, what has happened behind the scenes might be different). I think he (along with Petreaus) have made it perfectly clear if Pakistan doesn't clean up its act we will.

205 LEGION  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:15:35pm

Bring it on terrorists- we are ready for you! (then the stinky bo wins the election)-- uh, Nevermind!

206 leww37334  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:32:05pm

Perhaps Hillary Clinton will explain why this attack is the fault of the US.
Then President Obama will apologize to the attackers and blame the attack on Bush.

207 leww37334  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:35:35pm

re: #204 Lee Coller

Despite all Obama's faults this is the one thing he's actually done better than Bush at (at least from my perspective, what has happened behind the scenes might be different). I think he (along with Petreaus) have made it perfectly clear if Pakistan doesn't clean up its act we will.

Great idea to threaten Pakistan, leading to an Islamic uprising, ending with the Taliban seizing control of Pakistan's nuclear weapons.

The Bush concept was "Better the Devil you know than the Taliban"

208 Airedale  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:00:33pm

....Isn't Obama going to empty the Gitmo mosque gangsta's into the US streets?

209 Flavia  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 9:28:21pm

Come on - this is the same "clever" crap he pulled over the Durban conference - making a lot of noise about how "ready he is to talk", so he can then point to their repeated hatred & say "See? I was willing to talk to them, but they were being mean to me!" All this is designed to make himself look good/smarter - not to actually fight terrorism at all! Near-empty words/gestures, & his worshipers are eating it up. The fact that he's getting Hillary to say all the mealy-mouthed stupidity is just icing on the cake for him.

I am beyond disgusted, & into a sort of numb worry.

210 blangwort  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 7:28:50am

re: #207 leww37334

Great idea to threaten Pakistan, leading to an Islamic uprising, ending with the Taliban seizing control of Pakistan's nuclear weapons.

The Bush concept was "Better the Devil you know than the Taliban"

Is it really a threat against Pakistan to remove a terrorist group from a region of the country where they refuse to police anyone because they fear their own population?


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