How Do You Say ‘Liar’ in German?

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The pro-fascist German website pi-news.net is now claiming that I “forged” the photograph of Filip DeWinter with Markus Beisicht of the “Pro Koln” group: Translated version of http://www.pi-news.net/.

This is an outrageous lie. In my previous post, I linked to the site where I found the picture, through Google Images: Translated version of Markus Beisicht (per NRW): “Islamization fight!”

Since I now see even Michelle Malkin linking to Robert Spencer’s dishonest, scummy attack piece, let me make this very clear: I did not alter that photograph. Anyone who says this is either severely mistaken or lying.

Again, the point of the photograph is not changed by the fact that someone altered the background. It shows two fascists shaking hands, and one of them is an organizer of the Pro Koln conference; and the unaltered photograph shows the exact same thing.

And there are many more photographs of these two people together at the Pro Koln website itself.

For more information on Eurofascist groups:
Europe’s modern Fascists | Opinion | The First Post

For more information on the very bad people behind the Pro Koln conference:
New Front for the German Far Right : Anti-Islamic Party Is Playing With Fear - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

UPDATE at 4/25/09 5:04:25 pm:

I’ve learned that Michelle Malkin’s ‘Buzzworthy’ section is automatically generated, so Robert Spencer’s boast that Michelle approved of his dishonest smear job was completely wrong.

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216 comments

1 albusteve  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:21:35pm

lugner

2 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:21:46pm

Why don't you just moon them. See how they like that?

3 abolitionist  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:23:12pm

How Do You Say 'Liar' in German?

According to Babelfish: Lügner , Betrüger , Schwindler

4 debutaunt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:24:15pm

These charming people are attempting to create issues where there are none. Be ever watchful for signs of what is actually going on.

5 quickslow87  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:26:01pm

I wish they'd just realize their errors and mend their ways. If only life were like that.

6 Perry  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:26:22pm

I have faith in your integrity, Charles. The list of people who are beneath notice is getting longer.

7 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:27:19pm

I don't understand why Ms Malkin would want to inject herself into this. I really thought she was more bright than to pick up whitewashed nazi trash.

8 Perry  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:28:30pm

re: #7 Sharmuta
I did too. This changes things.

9 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:30:55pm

Trying to have honest discourse with the likes of these Pi News people is like getting your fingers caught in a Chinese finger puzzle.

Mr. Spencer is a piece of ice that has fallen off the glacier into the ocean. I hope Ms. Malkin is not seeking secure footing there.

10 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:31:46pm

And before anyone tells me I should just ignore this kind of stuff -- forget it. If I'm going to be accused of faking photographs by these despicable creeps, I'm going to get out in front of it.

11 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:31:53pm

How Do You Say 'Liar' in German?

Spencer, Geller.?

12 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:32:21pm

I read that Spiegel piece earlier. Really glad they have an English version of their site.

13 dimestorenovel  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:32:39pm

Holy Crap. Are there going to be any blogs left to read? Michelle Malkin now?

14 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:33:10pm

re: #10 Charles

And before anyone tells me I should just ignore this kind of stuff -- forget it. If I'm going to be accused of faking photographs by these despicable creeps, I'm going to get out in front of it.

Well up above I suggest you kinda back into it, but I think we're on the same page.

15 Danny  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:33:37pm

Standard fishing technique...let em run with the line awhile, then gradually reel em in.

16 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:33:38pm

Charles, is the Malkin link on her site or on Hot Air? I could not find it.

17 capitalist piglet  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:33:49pm

Can anyone point me to the link on Malkin's site? I don't know the title of what I'm looking for, and I don't see Spencer's mug there anywhere. I'd like to ask her why she would do such a thing.

Also, I'm blind.

18 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:34:39pm

re: #16 Catttt

re: #17 capitalist piglet

It was on her little sidebar thing, but it's no longer showing. You can see a screenshot of it at jw.

19 capitalist piglet  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:34:39pm

re: #17 capitalist piglet

Can anyone point me to the link on Malkin's site? I don't know the title of what I'm looking for, and I don't see Spencer's mug there anywhere. I'd like to ask her why she would do such a thing.

Also, I'm blind.

(And before anyone thinks I'm actually blind, or ridiculing blind people, I'm not...it's just an expression. I simply can't find the link.)

20 hellosnackbar  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:35:10pm

Lugner with two dots over the U (pronounced Loogner) assuming that the liar is male or Lugnerin (loognerin) if the accused is female.
This is reinforced by using the personal form Du.
So ,Du Luegner is impolite and Sie Luegner is polite.

Got that everybody?

21 capitalist piglet  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:35:35pm

re: #18 Sharmuta

re: #17 capitalist piglet

It was on her little sidebar thing, but it's no longer showing. You can see a screenshot of it at jw.

Thanks, Sharm. I wonder - did she remove it then, or is it just buried somewhere?

22 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:36:08pm

I'd link the link, too.

23 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:36:26pm

re: #21 capitalist piglet

Thanks, Sharm. I wonder - did she remove it then, or is it just buried somewhere?


with jimmy hoffa?

24 albusteve  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:36:27pm

re: #20 hellosnackbar

Lugner with two dots over the U (pronounced Loogner) assuming that the liar is male or Lugnerin (loognerin) if the accused is female.
This is reinforced by using the personal form Du.
So ,Du Luegner is impolite and Sie Luegner is polite.

Got that everybody?

yes...see #1

25 FightingBack  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:37:12pm

How Do You Say 'Liar' in German?
"Schweinhunt"

26 neverquit  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:37:16pm

TV has Soap Operas. The Internet has Blog Operas....

The charges against LGF are ridiculous.

27 jvic  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:37:46pm

Wie sagt man auf Deutsch 'fake but accurate'?

28 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:38:30pm

If it's not there anymore then either Spencer deleted it himself, or Michelle requested deletion.

29 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:38:35pm

re: #25 FightingBack

How Do You Say 'Liar' in German?
"Schweinhunt"

See I don't know any german. All these years watching war movies, I thought Schweinhunt was like dirty pig?

30 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:39:04pm

re: #10 Charles

And before anyone tells me I should just ignore this kind of stuff -- forget it. If I'm going to be accused of faking photographs by these despicable creeps, I'm going to get out in front of it.

Getting in front of it is the best way - proactive. As a woman, I've learned that the only way to win a fight with a man is to get in the first punch.

Zombies are hard to kill, since they are already dead. However, this is not about them - it's about the readers who might swallow what they dish out.

I'm really sad that so many sites seem to be going off the deep end and giving you trouble for not joining them in the pits, but I am glad (and I've said it before) you like this stuff, because we do count on you.

31 zeebeach  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:39:21pm

Charles, do you have the link to Michelle Malkin's link to this? I just checked her site quickly and saw nothing about it. This is a serious thing for me and I'd like to confirm?

32 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:39:22pm

Jets just trade for Clevelands pick and they on the clock

33 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:39:32pm

re: #18 Sharmuta

re: #17 capitalist piglet

It was on her little sidebar thing, but it's no longer showing. You can see a screenshot of it at jw.

Ah HA.

34 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:39:42pm

re: #16 Catttt

Charles, is the Malkin link on her site or on Hot Air? I could not find it.

It was in her 'Buzzworthy' section, and it has since scrolled off.

35 FightingBack  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:39:47pm

re: #29 Nevergiveup

See I don't know any german. All these years watching war movies, I thought Schweinhunt was like dirty pig?

Nice pick up.

36 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:40:22pm

Spencer took a screenshot of it, so he could boast about it. It's in his post.

37 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:40:23pm

Looks like Sanchez is coming to the NY JETS. J E T S JETS JETS JETS JETS

38 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:41:03pm

re: #28 Irish Rose

If it's not there anymore then either Spencer deleted it himself, or Michelle requested deletion.

It was in her "buzzworthy" side bar. You can see a screenshot of it at robert's.

I think it just got buried by other "buzzworthy" stories.

39 gegenkritik  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:42:33pm

While pro-Köln's pro-Israel-attitude is clearly fake, PI-news has always been and is still defending Israel (their Israel-related posts are the still only good ones). Though, in the recent past, they have allied with the wrong people and start out being more and more openly hostile towards not only foreigners from islamic countries, but also against black people.
Along with their collaboration with fascists, they also let Anti-Semites write for their blog, like Holocaust-denier Thomas Voss, while deleting comments critizising this. I've posted about this incident back then.
But one should not forget that PI's leftist enemies (they have a lot in the German blogosphere) are in no way better, since those are extremely hostile towards Israel and the USA and have huge sympathies for radical Islam.

40 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:42:54pm

re: #29 Nevergiveup

See I don't know any german. All these years watching war movies, I thought Schweinhunt was like dirty pig?

I tried liar liar pants on fire in google's translator and got this:

Lügner Lügner pants on fire

Guess German doesn't have pants or fire.

41 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:42:54pm

As a Jet Fan, this is the best draft day since the Jets got Joe Willie Namath

42 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:43:35pm

re: #38 Sharmuta

It was in her "buzzworthy" side bar. You can see a screenshot of it at robert's.

I think it just got buried by other "buzzworthy" stories.

As I'd rather not wade into that steaming pile of shit unless I absolutely have to, can you post the text here?

43 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:43:42pm

re: #10 Charles

((((((Charles))))))

44 debutaunt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:44:09pm

re: #20 hellosnackbar

Lugner with two dots over the U (pronounced Loogner) assuming that the liar is male or Lugnerin (loognerin) if the accused is female.
This is reinforced by using the personal form Du.
So ,Du Luegner is impolite and Sie Luegner is polite.

Got that everybody?

Saturday Night Live. Gilda Radnor?

45 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:44:17pm

This is just great.
It's about to hit the proverbial fan in Pakistan, AQ is (not coincidentally) a lot more active in Iraq, and the anti-jihad movement is in disarray. It's going to be a lot hot summer as hostile media muddy the waters and Jimmy Carter Jr. flounders from one crisis to another.

46 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:44:28pm

re: #3 abolitionist

How Do You Say 'Liar' in German?

According to Babelfish: Lügner , Betrüger , Schwindler

There's also Arschgeige.

47 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:44:32pm

re: #42 Irish Rose

As I'd rather not wade into that steaming pile of shit unless I absolutely have to, can you post the text here?

I would, but I'd have to wade back to that steaming pile of shit to do so.

48 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:44:44pm

re: #20 hellosnackbar

Lugner with two dots over the U (pronounced Loogner) assuming that the liar is male or Lugnerin (loognerin) if the accused is female.
This is reinforced by using the personal form Du.
So ,Du Luegner is impolite and Sie Luegner is polite.

Got that everybody?

How do you say "fucking liar"?

49 FightingBack  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:45:36pm

re: #46 Cato the Elder

There's also Arschgeige.


There's also "Sheisskopf."

50 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:45:55pm

Here's the screenshot:

Image: 20090425Malkin.jpg.jpg

51 zeebeach  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:46:25pm

re: #38 Sharmuta

It's there at JW.

52 j_maloney  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:46:42pm

Why are their flags colored black and red? These are the colors of anarcho-syndicalism. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

According to Berkeley scholar A. James Gregor, syndicalism was an antecedant of Italian Fascism.

53 gegenkritik  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:46:52pm

re: #10 Charles

And before anyone tells me I should just ignore this kind of stuff -- forget it. If I'm going to be accused of faking photographs by these despicable creeps, I'm going to get out in front of it.


Yes, but do not expect PI-news to understand this, let alone post an apology. The people running this blog are much crazier than Geller or Spencer.

54 brookly red  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:47:16pm

re: #48 MandyManners

How do you say "fucking liar"?

verdammt Lügner

55 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:47:31pm

re: #51 zeebeach

It's there at JW.

Yes- I know. It's why I said:

re: #38 Sharmuta

It was in her "buzzworthy" side bar. You can see a screenshot of it at robert's.

56 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:48:12pm

By Porter J. Goss
Saturday, April 25, 2009
Since leaving my post as CIA director almost three years ago, I have remained largely silent on the public stage. I am speaking out now because I feel our government has crossed the red line between properly protecting our national security and trying to gain partisan political advantage. We can't have a secret intelligence service if we keep giving away all the secrets. Americans have to decide now.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

57 debutaunt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:48:15pm

re: #36 Charles

Spencer took a screenshot of it, so he could boast about it. It's in his post.

I hope Michelle says something about it.

58 abolitionist  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:48:17pm

re: #46 Cato the Elder

There's also Arschgeige.

Babelfish translates that as Ass fiddle. Close enough, I guess.

59 capitalist piglet  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:48:18pm

re: #50 Charles

Here's the screenshot:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Thanks. Ugh. Very disappointing.

60 philipp  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:48:21pm

re: #46 Cato the Elder

There's also Arschgeige.

That's funny ... this is kindergarten language. It literally means "ass violin". Got that?

61 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:48:42pm

re: #54 brookly red

verdammt Lügner

Verdammt is apparently an all-purpose interjection.

According to google, verdammt can mean:

adjective

1. blasted
2. damn
3. darn
4. accursed
5. damned
6. reprobate
7. confounded
8. bloody
9. pesky
10. bleeding
11. perishing
12. deuced
13. flaming
14. blinking
15. ruddy

adverb

1. confoundedly

interjection

1. fuck! [sl.]
2. damn it!
3. blast it!

62 capitalist piglet  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:49:22pm

re: #57 debutaunt

I hope Michelle says something about it.

Why would she? She put it up on her own site, presumably...unless I am missing information about how that works.

63 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:49:44pm

re: #49 FightingBack

There's also "Sheisskopf."

And the whole thing could best be described as ein riesiges Affentheater.

64 brookly red  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:50:27pm

re: #61 Catttt

Hmmmmm, more uses than "shit" in English...

65 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:50:43pm

I wish I'd known about the fauxtophotography thingamajig when I was a kid. DAMN! I coulda used it so many times!

"That wasn't the cookie jar my hand was in! It was ... ur ... uh ... just a minute, mom ... ah ... THE TOILET. It was the toilet!"

/*kid mutters* ... ... ... "why isn't this working?"

66 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:50:44pm

Actress Bea Arthur, Star of TV's Golden Girls, Dies at 86

67 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:51:00pm

There's a Russian proverb: When the dogs are at your door, don't call the wolves for help. I have admired Robert Spencer's anti-jihad work over the years, and so I'm sorry to see him fall into the circle of these European neo-nasties.

68 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:51:30pm

re: #11 DEZes

How Do You Say 'Liar' in German?

Spencer, Geller?

Geller is a German name. It literally translates as "yeller".

Nomen est omen.

69 philipp  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:52:17pm

for a better online translator, check this out: [Link: webtranslate.de...] or [Link: www.linguee.com...]

70 quickjustice  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:53:12pm

Lying. It's what they do when they're not distorting, omitting, skewing, and twisting.

71 itellu3times  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:53:23pm

Speaking of altered realities, looks like it will turn out that Obama was actually born in NYC, next Wednesday:

A stack of blank birth certificates has been stolen from the city Health Department's offices, leading investigators to worry that they may have fallen into the hands of terrorists, The Post has learned.

Of course, to get around the age requirement it will then turn out that Obama journeyed into the past in order to be on the spot just when we needed saving. It will be a touching story, I expect on the front pages of the New York Times for weeks, and then be made into a major motion picture.
/

72 rightside  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:53:39pm

re: #66 Nevergiveup

Oh damn! Prayers go to her loved ones. She was funny, and will be missed.

73 MJ  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:53:45pm

re: #50 Charles

Here's the screenshot:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Link working?

74 wrenchwench  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:53:49pm

re: #20 hellosnackbar

Lugner with two dots over the U (pronounced Loogner) assuming that the liar is male or Lugnerin (loognerin) if the accused is female.
This is reinforced by using the personal form Du.
So ,Du Luegner is impolite and Sie Luegner is polite.

Got that everybody?

It's handy to have a "polite" way to call someone a liar.

75 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:53:52pm

What's with the DUCKofdeath dinging down comments about jihad watch?

76 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:54:12pm

re: #68 Cato the Elder

Geller is a German name. It literally translates as "yeller".

Nomen est omen.

very fitting indeed.
In a few years I can call her ole yeller.

77 AndyMacOP  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:54:19pm

re: #38 Sharmuta

It was in her "buzzworthy" side bar. You can see a screenshot of it at robert's.

I think it just got buried by other "buzzworthy" stories.

Isn't that just a running scroll of latest updates? Or does someone spend time to put them into that side bar?

78 debutaunt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:54:21pm

re: #56 Nevergiveup

By Porter J. Goss
Saturday, April 25, 2009
Since leaving my post as CIA director almost three years ago, I have remained largely silent on the public stage. I am speaking out now because I feel our government has crossed the red line between properly protecting our national security and trying to gain partisan political advantage. We can't have a secret intelligence service if we keep giving away all the secrets. Americans have to decide now.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Amnesia - uh huh.

79 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:54:26pm

DEVELOPING: ATHENS, Ga. — Three people were killed Saturday at a community theater near the University of Georgia, and authorities were searching for a professor in the shooting deaths.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

In my day we used to go out drinking with our Profs sometimes, but we hardly ever slept with them or had them shooting us?

80 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:54:47pm

re: #10 Charles

And before anyone tells me I should just ignore this kind of stuff -- forget it. If I'm going to be accused of faking photographs by these despicable creeps, I'm going to get out in front of it.

You are absolutely right to do precisely that.

81 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:54:49pm

re: #48 MandyManners

How do you say "fucking liar"?

Mutterfickender Lügenmaul.

82 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:55:01pm

re: #77 AndyMacOP

Isn't that just a running scroll of latest updates? Or does someone spend time to put them into that side bar?

I don't know- I don't read her site, so I don't know how things operate over there.

83 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:55:02pm

re: #72 rightside

Oh damn! Prayers go to her loved ones. She was funny, and will be missed.

Wonder if Archie will be at her funeral?

84 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:55:24pm

re: #75 Sharmuta

What's with the DUCKofdeath dinging down comments about jihad watch?

He was doing that last night as well in other threads, its a down ding troll.

85 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:55:27pm

re: #81 Cato the Elder

Mutterfickenders Lügenmaul.

PIMF.

86 Truck Monkey  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:55:27pm

re: #66 Nevergiveup

Actress Bea Arthur, Star of TV's Golden Girls, Dies at 86

Liked her better as Maude. May she rest in peace.

87 debutaunt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:55:30pm

re: #62 capitalist piglet

Why would she? She put it up on her own site, presumably...unless I am missing information about how that works.

I don't know either, but she has an opportunity to speak up.

88 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:55:31pm

I looked in Mr. Spencer's site at his screen cap and at google's cache, and unless the blurbs change order, it looks like that link was removed before it scrolled off.

The link was just Below the Gateway Pundit Bush piece in the screen cap, and
Here is the cached list:
EU Referendum
» A match made in hell
Stop The ACLU
» President Pantywaist Reappears In Telegraph
Power Line
» Porter Goss speaks
protein wisdom
» Porter J. Goss on Capitol Hill Democrats. [JHoward]
Gateway Pundit
» Bush Saved Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqis From Saddam's Reign & Clinton's Embargo
Gay Patriot
» Barney, You Can’t Hide Your Lyin’ Words

Gateway Pundit
» Terrific... Obama to Release Uighur Gitmo Terrorists In Washington DC
Power Line
» "Why Does Obama Hate America So Badly?"

89 brookly red  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:56:45pm

re: #74 wrenchwench

It's handy to have a "polite" way to call someone a liar.

/Senator works for me...

90 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:57:05pm

re: #75 Sharmuta

What's with the DUCKofdeath dinging down comments about jihad watch?

Not any more. That one also had a sock puppet account.

91 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:57:47pm

It looks like Michelle removed whatever she had on her site that Spencer was linking to.

92 Truck Monkey  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:57:53pm

re: #83 Nevergiveup

Wonder if Archie will be at her funeral?

Archies dead Jim.

93 quickjustice  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:58:00pm

re: #78 debutaunt

I liked Porter Goss, both before and after he ran the CIA. He never was able to root the hard-core partisan Democrat staff leaking crap to the press to embarrass Bush. Valerie Plame comes to mind, togerther with her contemptible husband, old what's his name.

Obama will gut CIA. That'll teach them!

94 rightside  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:58:26pm

re: #83 Nevergiveup

Wonder if Archie will be at her funeral?

Only in spirit. He died in '01.

95 researchok  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:58:31pm

It's all smoke and mirrors.

They really believe that the phony photo issue will divert attention away from the toxic realities.

They have to believe that. The alternative is a long hard look in the mirror- and what is reflected isn't pretty.

96 debutaunt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:58:36pm

re: #91 Irish Rose

It looks like Michelle removed whatever she had on her site that Spencer was linking to.

Presto change-o.

97 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:58:55pm

re: #92 Truck Monkey

Archies dead Jim.

I know I know. But his spirit might be there?

98 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:59:16pm

re: #91 Irish Rose

It looks like Michelle removed whatever she had on her site that Spencer was linking to.

I'm guessing she axed it when she realized what it actually was.

99 Truck Monkey  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:59:18pm

re: #97 Nevergiveup

I know I know. But his spirit might be there?

Meathead could go.

100 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:59:25pm

re: #95 researchok

It's all smoke and mirrors.

They really believe that the phony photo issue will divert attention away from the toxic realities.

They have to believe that. The alternative is a long hard look in the mirror- and what is reflected isn't pretty.

Reiteration of the UP-ding!

101 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:59:37pm

re: #90 Charles

Not any more. That one also had a sock puppet account.

These people really take passive-aggressive behavior to new heights.

102 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:59:47pm

Just as a point of interest, "pro Köln" needs the umlaut to be correct.

The proper way to transliterate it if you can't do umlauts is "Koeln".

103 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 1:59:58pm

While visiting the steaming pile of shit I noticed this comment from beagle:

Oh boy.

According to a poster at Ace of Spades HQ, Charles is using malware to attack 'hostile' IP addresses who click on his blog. And 'Irish Rose' is making an enemies list. I don't know malware from malapropisms, and I never go to LGF any more, but BE CAREFUL. Don't give him the traffic for one thing. These days his major source of outside traffic is character assassination.

[Link: minx.cc...]

(comments 781 + 782)

Where the hell do they get this stuff?

104 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:00:23pm

re: #87 debutaunt

I don't know either, but she has an opportunity to speak up.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! /

105 trebuchet  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:00:48pm

Sadly, I've been watching Pamella Gellar's slide into irrationality (and irrelevance) for some time. She's become a full-blown conspiracy. It's shame she feels it necessary to hassle Charles Johnson instead of putting her venom energy into something more useful.

106 albusteve  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:01:01pm

re: #103 Irish Rose

While visiting the steaming pile of shit I noticed this comment from beagle:

Where the hell do they get this stuff?

the 'enemies list'....from you

107 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:01:33pm

re: #101 Sharmuta

These people really take passive-aggressive behavior to new heights.

Holycrusader was hilarious the other day, trying repeatedly to re-register.

108 stonemason  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:01:47pm

re: #105 trebuchet

Sadly, I've been watching Pamella Gellar's slide into irrationality (and irrelevance) for some time. She's become a full-blown conspiracy. It's shame she feels it necessary to hassle Charles Johnson instead of putting her venom energy into something more useful.

Like more posts from the ocean, in the bikini, yeah, that was....

oh, damn, did I type that out loud?
///

109 Ojoe  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:01:47pm

In my mind, the fact that you can find this photograph with two different backgrounds, reflects badly on the people in it.

Regular decent people are really boring, and do not doctor their own photos, or attract the kind of people who will doctor the photos for whatever reason.

110 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:01:57pm

re: #98 Catttt

I'm guessing she axed it when she realized what it actually was.

Probably.
It would be nice if shed' say something about it, but I'm not holding my breath. I've refrained so far from delinking her so far, but I feel that the days are growing short.

111 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:02:13pm

re: #103 Irish Rose

While visiting the steaming pile of shit I noticed this comment from beagle:

According to a poster at Ace of Spades HQ, Charles is using malware to attack 'hostile' IP addresses who click on his blog. And 'Irish Rose' is making an enemies list. I don't know malware from malapropisms, and I never go to LGF any more, but BE CAREFUL. Don't give him the traffic for one thing. These days his major source of outside traffic is character assassination.

(comments 781 + 782)

Where the hell do they get this stuff?

An absolute lie.

'Beagle' is another embittered former LGF user, who now makes it his life's work to go around and smear me at other blogs.

112 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:02:20pm

re: #76 DEZes

very fitting indeed.
In a few years I can call her ole yeller.

No need to wait. One of the posters here saw here this close at the Manhattan "Tea Party" (Pam was taking pictures of the crowd) and told me her face looks like old cracked paint.

Someone else said catcher's mitt.

You get the picture.

113 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:02:29pm

re: #75 Sharmuta

What's with the DUCKofdeath dinging down comments about jihad watch?

The sock should have been named GooseOfStep

114 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:02:32pm

re: #103 Irish Rose

While visiting the steaming pile of shit I noticed this comment from beagle:

Where the hell do they get this stuff?

Need you ask? Where does one get a steaming pile?

115 hellosnackbar  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:02:47pm

re81 # cato the elder,
Quite right Luger is neuter.

116 Nemesis6  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:03:15pm

So:
German: Lügner , Betrüger , Schwindler
Danish: Løgner, bedrager, svindler
English: Liar, deceiver, swindler

It's nice to see how close we really are, at least lingually... :-)

117 capitalist piglet  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:03:27pm

re: #66 Nevergiveup

Actress Bea Arthur, Star of TV's Golden Girls, Dies at 86

Oh no! She was so great.

118 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:04:02pm

re: #106 albusteve

the 'enemies list'....from you

ur ... uh ... I take back everything I posted about nude sunbathing!
Has anyone seen Ford lately? ... *gulp*

/

119 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:04:16pm

re: #101 Sharmuta

These people really take passive-aggressive behavior to new heights.

That's it in a nutshell. Pun intended.

120 Ojoe  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:04:22pm

re: #114 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Need you ask? Where does one get a steaming pile?

It is generated internally, isn't it?

121 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:05:11pm

re: #106 albusteve

the 'enemies list'....from you

I suppose if you want to equate "updating my blog links" with the secret assembly of some kind of stealth "hit list", you're more than welcome to your psychosis.

122 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:05:31pm

re: #119 Catttt

Maybe someone could correct #47....?

123 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:05:37pm

re: #107 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Holycrusader was hilarious the other day, trying repeatedly to re-register.

A knight on a quest?...:(

124 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:06:12pm

re: #122 Sharmuta

Maybe someone could correct #47....?

Done.

125 BlueCanuck  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:06:20pm

re: #123 Dustyvet

A knight on a quest?...:(

More like a black guard, or death knight......

126 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:06:21pm

Thanks, DEZes!

127 capitalist piglet  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:06:37pm

re: #103 Irish Rose

While visiting the steaming pile of shit I noticed this comment from beagle:


Where the hell do they get this stuff?

That's rich. Perpetuate lies and fabrications about LGF, and then accuse Charles of character assassination.

Sigh.

128 albusteve  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:06:50pm

re: #121 Irish Rose

I suppose if you want to equate "updating my blog links" with the secret assembly of some kind of stealth "hit list", you're more than welcome to your psychosis.

that's how it got construed and that's the point....you wanted to post Charles critics here at LGF...bad idea

129 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:06:56pm

re: #125 BlueCanuck

More like a black guard, or death knight......

right, got it...TA!

130 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:07:08pm

re: #103 Irish Rose

Where the hell do they get this stuff?

Maybe here?

Irish Rose: I'm making a list of any and all bloggers in the conservative blogosphere that have either allowed their commenters to assault Charles, or done it themselves.

Names please, no need to link.

Just sayin'.

131 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:07:09pm

re: #111 Charles

An absolute lie.

'Beagle' is another embittered former LGF user, who now makes it his life's work to go around and smear me at other blogs.

Just another psychotic, fritos-addicted, floor-licking cretin.

132 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:07:29pm

re: #120 Ojoe

It is generated internally, isn't it?

Yes ... and btw, aren't we already on the subject of "colon"?

/helps if you pronounce the English while holding your nose

133 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:07:58pm

A German reader is sending me even more incriminating material on the Pro Koln group, by the way. They're absolutely filthy with Nazi connections.

134 DEZes  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:08:05pm

re: #126 Sharmuta

Thanks, DEZes!

Your welcome.

135 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:08:27pm

re: #115 hellosnackbar

re81 # cato the elder,
Quite right Luger is neuter.

No, it's Maul that's neuter. Lügner is masculine. Feminine form, Lügnerin.

136 Ojoe  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:08:54pm

re: #133 Charles

What a great spotlight you have developed here.

137 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:10:09pm

re: #123 Dustyvet

A knight on a quest?...:(

He couldn't have been monitoring that thread while trying so vigorously to register, time and time again. It was like being inside a building, looking out a window, watching the idiot repeatedly banging his head against the brick exterior, trying to get in.

/hilarious

138 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:10:19pm

re: #133 Charles

A German reader is sending me even more incriminating material on the Pro Koln group, by the way. They're absolutely filthy with Nazi connections.

Looking forward to seeing it.

139 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:10:27pm

Disney Accused of Racial Insensitivity Over First Animated Black Princess

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Being PC can suck sometimes I guess?

140 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:10:42pm

re: #133 Charles

A German reader is sending me even more incriminating material on the Pro Koln group, by the way. They're absolutely filthy with Nazi connections.

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

141 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:11:35pm

re: #110 Irish Rose

Probably.
It would be nice if shed' say something about it, but I'm not holding my breath. I've refrained so far from delinking her so far, but I feel that the days are growing short.

I suspect the process of listing those links is semi-automated. I simply can't see her linking it on purpose, because of the trouble it would - and did - cause, which does her no good at all. She is in a spot, since both Spencer's site and this one are on her blog roll.

142 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:11:45pm

re: #130 Cato the Elder

Just sayin'.

Don't you think it's rather disingenuous of you two to neglect posting my entire comment?

You left out this part:


Speaking of the opposition, I'm finally getting around to updating my blogroll this evening.
143 Ojoe  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:12:03pm

re: #139 Nevergiveup


Disney could make an animated furry Sasquatch, just to see who it offends.

I would be entertained.

144 Nevergiveup  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:12:07pm

re: #133 Charles

A German reader is sending me even more incriminating material on the Pro Koln group, by the way. They're absolutely filthy with Nazi connections.

If there is any information in there about nevergiveup's great grandfathers bank accounts that the Nazi's stole, let me know?

145 gegenkritik  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:12:11pm

Since some of my posts at JW have been deleted, I am posting this one also here, as it is related to PI-News.
One German (PI-news reader) is attacking me at JW: "I came from Hamburg to Köln to protest with Israelflags together with Pro Köln against the pro Palästinians demonstrations in front of the dome (10.01.2009). We were pushed away by Antifas (and maybe Gegenkritik?)"

At 10th January, there was a small pro-Israel-demonstration (not more than 100 people), while simultaneously there was a huge (some thousand) pro-Hamas-demonstration.
I know some of the people of the pro-Israel-demonstration, they told me that Stefan Herre (founder of pi-news.net) along with some other people tried to join them, but they were rejected, as they didn't want to have rightwing-extremists at their demonstration.
Here you can see a video from that demonstration.

146 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:13:46pm

re: #142 Irish Rose

Me two? Who two?

I was just pointing out where the rumor got started. Don't shoot the messenger.

147 SpaceJesus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:14:14pm

pamella du kannst mich mal

148 albusteve  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:14:24pm

re: #142 Irish Rose

whatever...you said you wanted to post your list here at LGF...it's not any psychosis

149 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:15:10pm

On my screen at 4:14 CST she has reposted the JW link and doubled down with an anti LGF link from GOV.

150 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:16:44pm

re: #149 MrPaulRevere

Where? I don't see it.

151 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:17:00pm

re: #147 SpaceJesus

pamella du kannst mich mal

Und das aber kräftig!

152 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:17:03pm

re: #133 Charles

A German reader is sending me even more incriminating material on the Pro Koln group, by the way. They're absolutely filthy with Nazi connections.

Charles -

In Europe, pray tell, what "anti-jihad" movements aren't? It is a pity really that most of their mainstream parties are mere observers or worse on this issue. There lies the problem.

-S-

153 debutaunt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:17:48pm

re: #135 Cato the Elder

No, it's Maul that's neuter. Lügner is masculine. Feminine form, Lügnerin.

They have a different word for everything?

154 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:18:12pm

Now SJ is commiting "verb"al abuse

155 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:19:03pm

re: #149 MrPaulRevere

On my screen at 4:14 CST she has reposted the JW link and doubled down with an anti LGF link from GOV.

Hmmmm. Not on my screen.

156 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:19:28pm

re: #150 Sharmuta

This is odd, on my screen the 'buzzworthy' section is taking up the right side of the page, with about 20 links.

157 Ojoe  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:19:29pm

re: #152 Dr. Shalit

On the other hand, the situation in Europe may resolve itself with the two groups going the way of the Kilkenny Cats.

It would be a neat outcome & the good people would only have to stand aside.

/in my dreams

158 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:19:57pm

re: #153 debutaunt

They have a different word for everything?

Pretty much. It's a tough language.

159 hellosnackbar  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:20:37pm

re# cato the elder.
Ganz richtig ein Fehler meinerseits.

160 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:22:37pm

re: #156 MrPaulRevere

This is odd, on my screen the 'buzzworthy' section is taking up the right side of the page, with about 20 links.

Are you registered at her site?

161 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:22:53pm

re: #156 MrPaulRevere

This is odd, on my screen the 'buzzworthy' section is taking up the right side of the page, with about 20 links.

I would take a screenshot and send it to Charles then.

162 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:24:04pm

Well, I actually have photoshopped my share of photos (YOU try to get four little boys to smile simultaneously!) but obviously if Charles had known he would have used the original photo, since it made his point, which is that these guys are all in cahoots together.

The central fact, that these are fascists, remains unchanged.

163 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:24:47pm

re: #160 Charles

Yeah I am, but never comment there anymore.

164 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:25:13pm

re: #156 MrPaulRevere

This is odd, on my screen the 'buzzworthy' section is taking up the right side of the page, with about 20 links.

Buzzworthy may be trying for a coup d’état. :D

165 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:25:32pm

re: #163 MrPaulRevere

Yeah I am, but never comment there anymore.

That could be why you're seeing more links there. Can you take a screenshot and email it to me?

166 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:27:18pm

re: #161 Sharmuta

Damn, I just refreshed and it disappeared, I swear it was about 25-30 posts long with a link to the GOV smear.

167 Sunlight  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:29:29pm

re: #133 Charles

A German reader is sending me even more incriminating material on the Pro Koln group, by the way. They're absolutely filthy with Nazi connections.

I'm glad to see some Germans on here now helping to sort this... it is very complex and we need to trace the runners into the U.S. All these issues need to be prioritized well before the '10 elections so that some candidates can be supported who aren't marxist/socialists and aren't connected to these WP groups. I don't want to end up isolated... I will want to vote for someone; I refuse to not vote. What a mess.

168 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:30:50pm

I should have known better than to refresh, sorry. I forgot my password its been so long since I commented there. I'll get a new one and see if I can replicate.

169 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:31:14pm

Wow - I tried to remember my Wordpress login stuff and found this:


Catttt from LGF

If you’re reading this, please contact me!

Hmmmmmmmm.......

170 Catttt  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:31:53pm

re: #168 MrPaulRevere

I should have known better than to refresh, sorry. I forgot my password its been so long since I commented there. I'll get a new one and see if I can replicate.

Wordpress blogs baffle me.

171 SpaceJesus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:38:40pm

re: #154 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Now SJ is commiting "verb"al abuse

bitte? hier reden wir deutsch, ami

172 vitoc  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:48:00pm

Hi folks, I am the "German reader" Charles mentioned. Here is some of the stuff I sent to Charles, I hope he will use is it in a new post (or update this one).

You will need to run it through google translations unfortunately, it simply is too much material to translate. However, there can be NO doubt whatsoever that people like Rouhs are right wing extremists.

(pdf) [Link: www.im.nrw.de...]
It is the most recent report of the local authorities /secret service on extremist activities in Nordrhein-Westfalen (that is the German state where Cologne is situated). On page 39-42 you will find information on "Pro Köln" /Pro Cologne. To the nature of this report: It is not a scientitifc study or something, but it is based on intellegence collected by the secret service. The report in itself is written to be "court-proof", as it is regarded as an official document by the state. The authorities know decidedly more about these creeps of course, but here you will only read what they consider as a) bullet-proof and b) not compromising their sources.

The report mentions in detail the relationship between Vlaams Blok and Pro Köln.

For another take on "Pro Köln" by a scientist of University Düsseldorf (very near to Cologne) see this here: [Link: www.wdr.de...]

Somewhat longer on "Pro Köln" - [Link: www.netz-gegen-nazis.de...]

For the sources: WDR is by far the biggest and most important local TV and radio station.

netz-gegen-nazis.de used to be financed and run (at the time of the publication of the article) by highly regarded German weekly "Die Zeit". [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

In other words, these are by no means fringe sources, quite unlike pi-news, which is an outcast in German political debates.

And from another email I sent:

A bit on Manfred Rouhs, one of the key players of "Pro Köln", and the guy starring in the photos with the lovely Axel Reitz:

For quite some time he tried to cash in (unsuccessfully) on the boom of nazi-skinhead rock music in Germany in the nineties, as the editor of a magazine specialised on far right skinhead music, and also as a producer and distributor of such music.

He has become a lot more careful by now, if you look at what he sells through his website, you will not find that much openly nazi music anymore. However, some of the stuff he sells is still quite remarkable - such as this here for example:
[Link: 1.nation24.de...]
Likewise, most of the books on sale are equally remarkable (lots of apologist books of high ranking Wehrmacht officers on how heroic they were fighting in WW2....), for example this here: [Link: 1.nation24.de...]

This book was written by the son of Rudolf Heß, who claimed that his father was murdered by the Western allies. [Link: de.wikipedia.org...] - run it through google translation, the English wikipedia on this guy is crap and misses out on his neo-nazi activities. The fact that this particular book is on sale by Rouhs is very significant, as this here [Link: de.wikipedia.org...] for many years, until 2008, used to be the single most important event of the European militant nazi scene. Rouhs is deliberately trying to cater to a hardcore nazi audience.

173 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:52:00pm
According to a poster at Ace of Spades HQ, Charles is using malware to attack 'hostile' IP addresses who click on his blog. And 'Irish Rose' is making an enemies list. I don't know malware from malapropisms, and I never go to LGF any more, but BE CAREFUL. Don't give him the traffic for one thing. These days his major source of outside traffic is character assassination.

From the pathetically amateur dirty tricks file. I suppose the intent here is to scare the easily duped from coming to LGF to see what has really been posted, so that this perp can spread rumors without getting his ass fact checked.

But that's just a guess.

174 wrenchwench  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 2:55:42pm

re: #172 vitoc

Willkommen, vitoc!

175 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 3:02:52pm

Sorry I dropped the ball on that one Charles, I would have loved to help you out. I swear I saw it.

176 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 3:06:12pm

Charles, Baron has a new fauxtography screed up over at GoV.
Full pile-on.

Pizza?

177 NelsFree  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 3:06:22pm

re: #56 Nevergiveup
Quote from Porter Goss:
"The suggestion that we are safer now because information about interrogation techniques is in the public domain conjures up images of unicorns and fairy dust."

UNICORNS!

178 Irish Rose  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 3:06:59pm

re: #173 Slumbering Behemoth

From the pathetically amateur dirty tricks file. I suppose the intent here is to scare the easily duped from coming to LGF to see what has really been posted, so that this perp can spread rumors without getting his ass fact checked.

But that's just a guess.

Spot on, would be my guess.

179 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 3:08:47pm

re: #176 Irish Rose

Rose, that's the one MM had in her 'buzzworthy' section, if only for a minute or so.

180 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 3:13:34pm

re: #172 vitoc

There are really four big events -- Adolf's b'day, the Hess funeral date, the Diksmuide Iron Pilgrimage, and the Dresden March.

181 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 3:15:22pm

Oh, and one more - the summer camp where all of the youth leaders of the assorted groups get together and trade notes. That changes location annually.

182 gegenkritik  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 3:15:44pm

oslogin posted a link to a report of the German Verfassungsschutz (inland secret service), I've roughly translated the part about pro-Köln's anti-semitism.

183 vitoc  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 3:17:27pm

More on Beisicht: [Link: www.netz-gegen-nazis.de...]

Key points: Defended as an attorney not only Axel Reitz (as has already been mentioned here), but further militant neo-nazis. Including this fellow:
Image: christian_malcoci.jpg
no separate wikipedia entry for him, but mentioned here [Link: de.wikipedia.org...] as a member of "Komitee zur Vorbereitung der Feierlichkeiten zum 100. Geburtstag Adolf Hitlers" (KAH) - committee for the preparation of the festitivities for the 100th birthday of Adolf Hitler... Ugh.

Beisicht was co-founder of the "Deutsche Liga für Volk und Heimat" (DLVH)

Quite interested in international activities - took part in meeting of these people: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I have no doubt that through this connection they got the contacts to right wing extremists from other European countries. Italian participant in this group was no other than Alessandra Mussolini. Yes, she is the granddaughter of *this* guy. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

184 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 3:20:24pm

That the image was doctored is irrelevant. However, it comes as no surprise that the neo-Nazis and their sympathizers such as Robert Spencer are making an issue of it.

I had seen the same image prior to it being posted at LGF with the same background. This was posted at the website sometimes around 2008. When I first saw the image I was curious to the banner and the location but gave it no thought. The point of the image is the subject of Beisicht and DeWinter. That these two are involved in demonstrations in which goons are in the audience is a fact that remain regardless of the doctored image.

The neo-Nazi connections to pro-Koeln remain and his been further enhanced by German posters to this website. That Markus Beishicht was the attorney for the defense of the neo-Nazi Axel Reitz is also a fact that remains on the record.

During this time Robert Spencer has refused to acknowledge these connections. The only conclusion I can make is the is aware of them but presses forward because he is sympathetic to their cause of bigotry.

In the mean time Robert Spencer has picked up new allies in this cause including the bigoted websites Brussels Journal and the German site, Politically Incorrect. He has also picked up the support of the controversial blogger Robert Stacy McCain. He has embraced these new alliances which in itself further exposes Robert Spencer's true ideology which has found an audience with the European neo-Nazi political base.

185 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 3:21:54pm

re: #184 Gus 802

Correction:

That the image was doctored is irrelevant. However, it comes as no surprise that the neo-Nazis and their sympathizers such as Robert Spencer are making an issue of it.

PIMF

186 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 3:27:15pm

Charles,

If you can, could you please edit my #184 so that "relevant" is changed to "irrelevant." If not no big deal.

Thanks,

Gus

187 vitoc  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 3:31:28pm

Pi-news is making an issue of the photoshop thingy as well: [Link: www.pi-news.net...]
Frankly, it is ridiculous.

They are also posting a statement by the Pro-Köln group which claims not to be extremist yaddayadda, which is likewise ridiculous. Yeah, they are only democratics defending the constitution, except when they produce and sell nazi rock as Rouhs used to do, and were functionaries for the Deutsche Liga, which was decidely not defending the constitution, except when they sell recordings of Hitler Jugend music as Rouhs does just today (someone may want to take a screenshot of this before it disappears!) [Link: 1.nation24.de...] or selling nazi books [Link: 1.nation24.de...]

Pi News and Herre know *exactly* what Pro-Köln is up to, and with what kind of people they are dealing there. Note that at NO point pi-news even acknoledges the real nature of the criticism against the Pro Köln group, all they is hitting strawmen. They sure know why they do not want their readers to learn about what Pro-Köln really is (although no doubt many of their readers do know).

188 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 3:41:02pm

re: #183 vitoc

Beisicht also founded DLVH? Along with the son of an SA leader?

189 Gus  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 3:47:18pm

Thanks Charles. :)

190 Salamantis  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 3:49:57pm

re: #101 Sharmuta

These people really take passive-aggressive behavior to new heights.

New depths.

191 LieSeeker  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 3:56:03pm

Schwindlerscheistendmudderbachementmittenglutencuttensparkenvolts?

192 vitoc  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 3:56:04pm

re: #188 Sharmuta

Dunno about a son of a SA leader... Where did you get that from? And you cannot chose your father anyway... Look at this wonderful woman for example: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Schramm made a conscious decision to distance herself from her father as much as humanly possible, Alessandra Mussolini did not. I'd like to hear more about this son you are talking about.

Anyway, Beisicht most definitely was involved with founding the DLVH, yes. One has to understand here that both Rouhs and Beisicht have been very important players in the German extreme Right for many, many years. These are by no means nobodys, or merely a local phenomenon in Cologne. They are very prominent in the German extreme right.

It is typical for such people to be involved with several different parties and groups over the years, as a result of the massive amount of infighting in the German extreme right. That they are now in yet another club doesn't mean they changed - they always used to change horses regularly, as did and do their fellow extremists.

193 So?  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:09:40pm
How Do You Say 'Liar' in German?

I think it's Schtick Drek! Anyway it fits.

194 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:16:08pm

re: #192 vitoc

From the translated wiki page:

[Link: translate.google.com...]

195 zuckerlilly  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:25:33pm

re: #188 Sharmuta

Beisicht also founded DLVH? Along with the son of an SA leader?

Beisicht and Rouhs separated from the "Republikaner" (a party created by the late SS-officer Franz Schoenhuber) to the DLVH. Both were involved from the very beginning of the creation of the party. Later they created the membership corporation "pro Koeln" and canceled the party status of DLVH.

Beisicht and Rouhs are old comrades. Rouhs' neo-Nazi publishing house is established in an apartment of Beisicht's father in law who is also the lawyer of "pro Koeln".

Rouhs is also a holocaust denier. In 1984 he wrote a letter to the editor of a neo-Nazi magazine ("Die Bauernschaft") where he stated "that it is untrue that 6 million Jews were murdered or killed in the 3. Reich and that Germany wasn't responsible for the WWII". He later went to court with the argument that he wasn't the author of the letter but was rejected.

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Sharmuta, do you remember the "innocent" Celtic cross discussion?


Here is a youtube video of a "Spiegel TV"-documentation of a German neo-Nazi terror group called Combat18. Go to 2:17 and be amazed ;-)

196 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:32:29pm

re: #195 zuckerlilly

Schön, dich wieder hier zu sehen, Zucker!

197 zuckerlilly  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:43:19pm

re: #196 Cato the Elder

Danke für das Kompliment Cato ;-) - leicht errötend....

198 Cato the Elder  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:48:40pm

re: #197 zuckerlilly

Danke für das Kompliment Cato ;-) - leicht errötend....

0

LOL!

Muß sagen, als Ami bin ich nicht so angetan von gun control, aber andere Länder, andere Sitten...in dem Fall kann man echt froh sein, dass die Kackbubis nur so ein miserables kleines Arsenal ergattern konnten...da lacht sich jeder US-Extremist eins ins Fäustchen.

199 Sharmuta  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 4:50:49pm

re: #195 zuckerlilly

But what of Martin Mussgnug? Was he also a founder of DLVH?

200 gegenkritik  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:16:52pm

re: #199 Sharmuta
Yes.

201 zuckerlilly  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:26:39pm

re: #199 Sharmuta

But what of Martin Mussgnug? Was he also a founder of DLVH?

Yes, Mussgnug - former head of the NPD - was also a founder of the DLVH. Mussgnug was the initiator because he was dropped as NPD leader - and formed the DLVH together with Beisicht, Rouhs and a couple of former DVU members as Ingo Schachtschneider, Ingo Stawitz, Karin Voß and Benvenuto-Paul Friese.

99 per cent of the political environment of the "pro-movements" have a background in either the NPD or the DVU or the "Republikaner". Rouhs was nominated in 1985 by the NPD as candidate for the German parliament. Later he joined the "Republikaner" - together with Beisicht - and together they established the party in Cologne.

202 zuckerlilly  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 5:35:30pm

re: #198 Cato the Elder

0

LOL!

Muß sagen, als Ami bin ich nicht so angetan von gun control, aber andere Länder, andere Sitten...in dem Fall kann man echt froh sein, dass die Kackbubis nur so ein miserables kleines Arsenal ergattern konnten...da lacht sich jeder US-Extremist eins ins Fäustchen.

Ja ;-) da ist so mancher deutsche Zuhälter besser ausgestattet. Trotzdem ist jede Waffe in Händen dieses braunen Gesindels eine zuviel.

gute Nacht, Cato!

203 Promethea  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:19:23pm

re: #173 Slumbering Behemoth

From the pathetically amateur dirty tricks file. I suppose the intent here is to scare the easily duped from coming to LGF to see what has really been posted, so that this perp can spread rumors without getting his ass fact checked.

But that's just a guess.

There is some poster on Ace who is just pathetically nutso re Charles. I forgot his name and don't plan to remember it. He should be ignored. He is a crazy person.

204 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 6:33:14pm

re: #203 Promethea

There is some poster on Ace who is just pathetically nutso re Charles. I forgot his name and don't plan to remember it. He should be ignored. He is a crazy person.

Crazy people are banned at LGF.

At Ace of Spades, not so much.

205 [deleted]  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:20:56pm
206 KSK  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:29:50pm

Let me offer the perspective of a conservative German here.
Charles, you are absolutely correct about Pro Köln, there isn't much to add here except that the German Verfassungsschutz is observing them has a right wing extremist group. And yes they associate themselves with Neo Nazis.
PI-News (formery "Politically Incorrect") has actually tried to be a sort of German LGF, but in fact many of the posters adhere to very right wing, often racist views. They enjoyed a certain popularity but almost all conservative blogs have deleted them from their blog rolls. They sport an "aggressive pro Israel" attitude which in my opinion is nothing but a facade to hide their racist attitude.

207 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 8:46:09pm

They're crawling out of the woodwork again.

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208 Lightspeed  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:38:37pm

Charles,

Thought the following links might help. I found pictures of a rally in Cologne in 2002 with Manfred Rouhs, Markus Beisicht, and neo-Nazi Siegfried Borchardt (otherwise known as "SS Siggi") in attendance. There also appear to be signs referencing the NPD (National Democratic Party of Germany).

Link in German, English

209 Lightspeed  Sat, Apr 25, 2009 9:53:10pm

Excellent links exposing the Pro-Cologne movement. It seems "SS Siggi" has been a part of this movement for a while. I has also attracted participation from a number of others, including Axel Reich and NPD members:

Link1, Link2, Link 3

Read the whole site. Very juicy stuff. Anyone who doubts Pro-Cologne is linked to the neo-Nazis is nuts.

210 gegenkritik  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 2:59:45am

By the way, PI-news now reports that Spencer and Geller have withdrawn from the congress, and now PI is lamenting about LGF. The comments are also interesting: besides some traditional anti-Americanism (PI-news are pro-USA, but most of their commenters aren't), Charles is being described as a communist, who actually must have been happy at 9/11. The guy who wrote this, is not some random commentator, but one of the most active guys at PI.

211 Andrew Brehm  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 3:57:03am

re: #210 gegenkritik

By the way, PI-news now reports that Spencer and Geller have withdrawn from the congress, and now PI is lamenting about LGF. The comments are also interesting: besides some traditional anti-Americanism (PI-news are pro-USA, but most of their commenters aren't), Charles is being described as a communist, who actually must have been happy at 9/11. The guy who wrote this, is not some random commentator, but one of the most active guys at PI.

It appears that I cannot comment any more on PI. My comments seem to vanish shortly after I post them.

I didn't post anything offensive or untrue. Perhaps I am done with PI.

212 gegenkritik  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 4:26:38am

re: #211 Leauki
PI-news is becoming paranoid more and more, they are immune to every criticism. It is a shame, especially because most other major political-blogs in Germany (who are against PI) are heavily agitating against the USA and Israel, advocating Islam wherever they can.
For example, the biggest watchblog for PI, a viciously anti-semitic hate-site, recently compared President Bush to this thug Zayed al Nahyan.
If you are looking for good blogs in German, I recommend Die Achse des Guten (which often also features English Articles, e.g. from John Rosenthal) and Lizas Welt.

213 missykrissy  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 8:02:36am

While I agree that the details of the background do not change the import of the main action - I also have to say this.

Charles - please watch how defensive you 'no it's not! ' sounds. This site was founded and prospers on the ability to parse details of the visual media and tell true from false. If any part of any photo or claim - however minor or trivial - posted on this site is not 100% accurate the only fair, decent, and most important *tactical* thing to do is acknowledge, correct the detail, and *thank* the person who gave that better truth.

That is the way the LGF stays on the side of hard reality rather then the moonbat side of political fantasy.

214 trainer  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 8:10:28am

I agree with #213.

Fake but accurate is not was we want to be reminded of.

Take care.

215 trainer  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 8:11:10am

What

216 eaglewingz08  Sun, Apr 26, 2009 9:54:46am

Great work Charles, there should be no rocks under which these evildoers could hide. I don't believe Michelle Malkin would ever take the side of neo nazis or slam you for fighting them. She's classy, honest and a patriotic American.
I am sad to see Spencer go down the rabbit hole of national socialist psychopathy. This is not a case where you could make the argument the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Nazis and neonazis cannot be the friends of any civilized peoples no matter what the cause. I make the same case with communists too.


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