Ahmadinejad Mocks Obama’s ‘Change’ Slogan

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Iran’s thug in chief says he’s surprised at Barack Obama, in an openly contemptuous statement.

Iran’s hardline president lashed out anew at the United States and President Barack Obama on Saturday, accusing him of interference and suggesting that Washington’s stance on Iran’s postelection turmoil could imperil Obama’s aim of improving relations.

“We are surprised at Mr. Obama,” Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said in remarks to judiciary officials broadcast on state television. “Didn’t he say that he was after change? Why did he interfere?”

“They keep saying that they want to hold talks with Iran … but is this the correct way? Definitely, they have made a mistake,” Ahmadinejad said.

Obama’s diplomatic initiative with Iran lies in ruins, and its naïveté has never been more obvious. The question is, will he just carry on with his plans for talks with Iran as if the protests and murders had never happened?

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351 comments
1 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:11:13am

If they would only unclench…
/

2 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:11:48am

How’s that open hand working out?

3 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:13:07am

re: #2 jcm

How’s that open hand working out?

the islamonazi iranian thugs just gave our Prez the back of that open hand

4 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:13:31am
The questions is, will he just carry on with his plans for talks with Iran as if the protests and murders had never happened?

It’s going to look pretty bad if he does. If anything I’d guess he’s going to have to wait a while. He might have to scrap his outreach plan all together.

5 DEZes  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:13:41am

re: #3 _RememberTonyC

the islamonazi iranian thugs just gave our Prez the back of that open hand

Bitch slapped.

6 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:13:57am

On the one hand, we lizards mock the slogan all the time.

On the other hand, nobody on LGF is a scumbag repressive dictator.

7 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:14:13am

re: #4 Killgore Trout

It’s going to look pretty bad if he does. If anything I’d guess he’s going to have to wait a while. He might have to scrap his outreach plan all together.

don’t underestimate the President’s capacity to suck up to tyrants and thugs.

8 pegcity  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:14:28am

You guys aren’t allowed to come to our BBQ anymore, that’ll show em

9 Tumulus11  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:14:29am

. ‘Now is the time to discard the failed policies of the past.’

10 DonkeyJawz  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:14:40am

And the rookie qb fumbles another exchange. Whod’a thunk it could happen?

11 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:14:47am

re: #5 DEZes

Bitch slapped.


indeed

12 jaunte  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:15:07am

Is ‘The Chicago Way’ strictly for the home front?

13 SlartyBartfast  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:15:40am

“…as if the protests and murders had never happened?”

Are you kidding? We dis-invited them to the 4th of July weenie roast didn’t we?

I bet the Mullahs are still wipin’ their eyes over that one!

14 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:16:07am

re: #8 pegcity

You guys aren’t allowed to come to our BBQ anymore, that’ll show em

Yeah!
No pulled pork and beer for you!

HAH!

15 pat  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:16:23am

Actually, Dinnerjacket, there have been numerous changes by Obama. Unfortunately it is the American people who have been victimized by this ideological blunderer. Dictators like you get high fives and complements.

16 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:16:37am

re: #8 pegcity

You guys aren’t allowed to come to our BBQ anymore, that’ll show em

the iranians don’t eat pork ribs anyway ….. their loss :)

17 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:16:47am
and suggesting that Washington’s stance on Iran’s postelection turmoil could imperil Obama’s aim of improving relations.

How laughable. Improving relations is now dead, because the American people will not approve of our government meeting with thugs with blood on their hands.

18 SlartyBartfast  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:17:35am

re: #17 Sharmuta

As usual, you nailed it Sharmuta.

19 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:17:58am

re: #7 _RememberTonyC

It’s a tough call but right now not even the Koskidz would support Obama reaching out to the Iranian government.

20 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:18:20am

This is the political equivalent of an atomic wedgie.

21 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:18:45am

re: #17 Sharmuta

How laughable. Improving relations is now dead, because the American people will not approve of our government meeting with thugs with blood on their hands.

however, does Obama really care what us little people think?

22 SixDegrees  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:18:51am

re: #13 SlartyBartfast

“…as if the protests and murders had never happened?”

Are you kidding? We dis-invited them to the 4th of July weenie roast didn’t we?

I bet the Mullahs are still wipin’ their eyes over that one!

Somewhere, I’m sure, there’s about 40 thousand pounds of tabouleh rotting away as a result of this.

23 iceweasel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:19:41am

Ahmadi wants to prod Obama and the US into making a harsh statement. One he and the regime can use to then claim that the opposition and protesters are all US/UK/Israeli backed.

The regime is doing that anyway, but they’d love to have an actual statement from Obama that they could use to unite all the America-hating factions within the country, and so fatally undermine any reform coalition.

24 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:19:58am

re: #19 Killgore Trout

It’s a tough call but right now not even the Koskidz would support Obama reaching out to the Iranian government.

Killgore, that may be true today. But the hard core leftists have short memories when it comes to these things.

25 DEZes  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:20:02am

How well does Obama handle being mocked by short shit dictators?
Is he weeping yet?

26 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:21:01am

interesting relationship…
where two fools met

27 BignJames  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:21:51am

For such a smart fellow, he sure does do some stupid shit.

28 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:22:10am

re: #19 Killgore Trout

It’s a tough call but right now not even the Koskidz would support Obama reaching out to the Iranian government.

kind of a circle rather than a straight line…good for them

29 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:22:15am

re: #25 DEZes

How well does Obama handle being mocked by short shit dictators?
Is he weeping yet?

But, but, but,
I AM THE ONE!

///

30 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:22:22am

I just started reading a book called “The Secret War with Iran” by Ronen Bergman. Has anyone read it?

31 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:22:23am

re: #13 SlartyBartfast

“…as if the protests and murders had never happened?”

Are you kidding? We dis-invited them to the 4th of July weenie roast didn’t we?

I bet the Mullahs are still wipin’ their eyes over that one!

This is what Obama meant by “frank diplomacy”.

32 NukeAtomrod  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:22:35am

The question is, will he just carry on with his plans for talks with Iran as if the protests and murders had never happened?

I’d put money on it. That is, if I have any left after Obama is through with us.

33 iceweasel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:22:48am

re: #25 DEZes

How well does Obama handle being mocked by short shit dictators?
Is he weeping yet?

Why should Obama, or we, care what Ahmadi calls Obama or the US?

It’s like being worried about the nasty names saddam called Bush, or America.

34 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:23:32am

re: #25 DEZes

How well does Obama handle being mocked by short shit dictators?
Is he weeping yet?

he’s shat himself for certain

35 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:23:43am

re: #19 Killgore Trout

It’s a tough call but right now not even the Koskidz would support Obama reaching out to the Iranian government.

Of course, then skate a little further left, and you get Galloway & Co.

(I’ll avoid the temptation to get all “Tea Party” degrees-of-separation here.)

36 DEZes  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:23:59am

re: #33 iceweasel

Why should Obama, or we, care what Ahmadi calls Obama or the US?

It’s like being worried about the nasty names saddam called Bush, or America.

You forget Obama’s ego, even his ears cant hide that.

37 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:24:51am

Speaking of tuckin’ fools.

Youtube Video
38 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:24:58am

re: #21 _RememberTonyC

however, does Obama really care what us little people think?

Only on election day. Loss of public support can damage a president’s ability to pass his agenda, however. We may not like giving credit to 0bama on much, but he’s not a stupid politician. If continuing with normalizing relations with Iran is going to cost him political capital at home, he might drop it.

39 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:25:10am

re: #27 BignJames

For such a smart fellow, he sure does do some stupid shit.

Remember this?


Youtube Video
40 pingjockey  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:25:39am

re: #33 iceweasel

The thing is, I think obambi and the rest of the donk leadership do care what this little bastard says. About them, not about nuking Israel.

41 realwest  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:25:42am

re: #33 iceweasel
I left a comment for you (#1212) on the prior thread, didn’t know if you’d seen it!

42 horse  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:26:00am

When you are not grounded and act based on reasoned principles, you are easily manipulated and out maneuvered. Examples abound on the far left and on the far right. Unfortunately, the far left is in power and they are aggressively acting on unreasoned principles.

43 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:26:03am

re: #6 EmmmieG

On the one hand, we lizards mock the slogan all the time.

On the other hand, nobody on LGF is a scumbag repressive dictator.

Speak for yourself. My cats don’t rule me. /////

44 iceweasel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:27:21am

re: #36 DEZes

You forget Obama’s ego, even his ears cant hide that.

if Obama is goaded by the taunts of this loser into making a foolish statement, then I’ll castigate him for his ego.

If he continues to resist being taunted into doing so— that’s the opposite of ego.

(Nota bene: I’m not saying Obama doesn’t have an ego)

45 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:27:37am

re: #38 Sharmuta

Only on election day. Loss of public support can damage a president’s ability to pass his agenda, however. We may not like giving credit to 0bama on much, but he’s not a stupid politician. If continuing with normalizing relations with Iran is going to cost him political capital at home, he might drop it.

and it would be even more credible if he would just come out and say it didn’t work, then outline a tougher strategy….not!

46 BignJames  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:28:08am

re: #39 MandyManners

Remember this?

Youtube Video

Thanks Mandy, I missed that…musta been drunk.

47 realwest  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:28:25am

re: #6 EmmmieG

On the one hand, we lizards mock the slogan all the time.

On the other hand, nobody on LGF is a scumbag repressive dictator.


Yeah, but that’s on LGF. For those of us who are Americans, that’s OUR President that shorshit just insulted. Lord knows I don’t like or even respect Obama, but he is OUR President so short shit can go screw himself.

48 iceweasel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:28:44am

re: #41 realwest

I left a comment for you (#1212) on the prior thread, didn’t know if you’d seen it!

Oh thanks RW! i will go look and answer you there— i’m missing a lot of comments right now due to connection issues and doing other things whilst I’m here. :)

49 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:28:46am

Maybe Rahm Emanuel could pull Dinnerjacket aside and give him a good talkin’ to.

50 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:28:48am

re: #38 Sharmuta

Only on election day. Loss of public support can damage a president’s ability to pass his agenda, however. We may not like giving credit to 0bama on much, but he’s not a stupid politician. If continuing with normalizing relations with Iran is going to cost him political capital at home, he might drop it.


I agree with you that his political antennae are quite accurate. But I am really concerned that all of his domestic spending is aimed at buying all the votes he needs to win in 2012. And after using OUR money to buy HIS political future, it almost won’t matter WHAT he does with iran. Now, if some articulate opponents can start making the case that his policy vis-a-vis iran really IS dangerous, maybe he will have to back off. But as of now, he is going full speed ahead with EVERYTHING he wants to do with no serious opposition.

51 HippieforLife  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:28:54am

This is the result of the O’s weakness. Soft power/soft diplomacy was never a realistic view of the world. I’m not sure that the O believes in freedom as an ideal. He will not use the word in speaking to the Iranian people.

52 LGoPs  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:29:22am

In Achmadinijad’s case, the most refreshing change would be a change of underwear perhaps.
/

53 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:29:28am

re: #44 iceweasel

if Obama is goaded by the taunts of this loser into making a foolish statement, then I’ll castigate him for his ego.

If he continues to resist being taunted into doing so— that’s the opposite of ego.

(Nota bene: I’m not saying Obama doesn’t have an ego)

hell, even Rush got to him…did he learn?…are his handlers savvy enough to understand what he’s done to himself?

54 JarHeadLifer  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:29:33am

Somehow, I just don’t think this story is going to enjoy the Hollywood ending everyone hoped for. Soon, these protests will be completely quashed and in a few months, Israel is going to be forced to act. Who knows what will happen then.

55 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:29:38am

re: #39 MandyManners

LOL

“Stand up Chuck!”

56 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:29:40am

re: #35 Occasional Reader

The Koskidz finally turned on Galloway….
Galloway: Khamenei’s British mouthpiece

I just have a hard time seeing Obama going in that direction. It’s going to be a tough sale.

57 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:30:48am

re: #46 BignJames

Thanks Mandy, I missed that…musta been drunk.

Watching it again kinda’ makes me want to get drunk.

58 BignJames  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:31:07am

re: #52 LGoPs

In Achmadinijad’s case, the most refreshing change would be a change of underwear perhaps.
/


Hey, the guy wears a leisure suit……I wonder if it’s polyester?

59 Kulhwch  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:31:10am

It won’t be obvious to Barry.  Barry is obtuse.  Of course he’ll carry on with his talks, etec.

}:)     [He’s gotta get that fist to unclench … ]

60 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:31:12am

re: #50 _RememberTonyC

I agree with you that his political antennae are quite accurate. But I am really concerned that all of his domestic spending is aimed at buying all the votes he needs to win in 2012. And after using OUR money to buy HIS political future, it almost won’t matter WHAT he does with iran. Now, if some articulate opponents can start making the case that his policy vis-a-vis iran really IS dangerous, maybe he will have to back off. But as of now, he is going full speed ahead with EVERYTHING he wants to do with no serious opposition.

I said earlier, Iran is a side show…an annoyance to BO

61 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:31:19am

re: #47 realwest

Yeah, but that’s on LGF. For those of us who are Americans, that’s OUR President that shorshit just insulted. Lord knows I don’t like or even respect Obama, but he is OUR President so short shit can go screw himself.


RW … I agree to a point. If he stands up for himself, it makes it easier for me to stand up for him. If he doesn’t take offense at the insult, is it really an insult?

62 Hengineer  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:32:09am

OT: I’m not sure if anyone else pays attention to Soccer, or World Football, but the USA Men’s National Team plays Brazil in the FINAL match of the FIFA Confederations Cup Tomorrow, after upsetting Spain, the favored #1 Wednesday.

63 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:32:09am

re: #55 NJDhockeyfan

LOL

“Stand up Chuck!”

Only a self-centered asshole would do that.

64 LGoPs  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:32:44am

re: #58 BignJames

Hey, the guy wears a leisure suit……I wonder if it’s polyester?

That alone should merit the death penalty. If I’m not mistaken, the Koran expressly forbids the wearing of liesure suits or anything even remotely related to the disco era……
/

65 gregb  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:33:17am

Where’s the poll? I would guess the answer would be “Yes, keep plodding along an unproductive path” given his track record to date.

66 pingjockey  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:33:19am

re: #63 MandyManners
That is joe ‘the plagiarist’ biden to a T.

67 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:33:29am

re: #61 _RememberTonyC

RW … I agree to a point. If he stands up for himself, it makes it easier for me to stand up for him. If he doesn’t take offense at the insult, is it really an insult?

he’s already spent his cred…I don’t think it matters at all how he reacts…he is as crazy as the Iranians

68 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:34:03am

Meanwhile in Gaza…..
Gazans mark International Day against Torture

Liveleak Video
69 mfarmer1  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:34:08am

You have to wonder if Obama is truly perplexed by this due to absolute ignorance and naivete, or if he knew he was just saying what needed to be said to get elected and to satisfy the lunatic left.

He’s not the first to be made to look foolish by these 7th century thugs. Carter was humiliated and Reagan started out strong but then had that infamous cake and Bible blunder.

What Obama has done here is worse however. There was (and maybe still is) a chance to help rid Iran of it’s theocratic nightmare experiment, and he refuses to do anything. His thus far feeble attempts are not genuine but have been forced upon him making him look even weaker and more naive than even his detractors during the campaign could have imagined.

70 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:34:12am

The question is, will he just carry on with his plans for talks with Iran as if the protests and murders had never happened?

The answer is probably yes.

71 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:35:17am

re: #44 iceweasel

if Obama is goaded by the taunts of this loser into making a foolish statement, then I’ll castigate him for his ego.

If he continues to resist being taunted into doing so— that’s the opposite of ego.

(Nota bene: I’m not saying Obama doesn’t have an ego)

I’m curious; what do you have in mind as a “foolish statement”?

Aren’t we a little past the whole “Obama can’t support the protesters, because the regime will use this as an excuse” stage? They’re using even his weak and late statements as an excuse anyway.

72 realwest  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:35:18am

re: #61 _RememberTonyC

RW … I agree to a point. If he stands up for himself, it makes it easier for me to stand up for him. If he doesn’t take offense at the insult, is it really an insult?

It is an insult to OUR President. If Obama continues to treat Iran the way he has, then I’ll be out here once again pointing out Obama’s, ah, deficiencies.

73 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:36:17am

re: #62 Hengineer

OT: I’m not sure if anyone else pays attention to Soccer, or World Football, but the USA Men’s National Team plays Brazil in the FINAL match of the FIFA Confederations Cup Tomorrow, after upsetting Spain, the favored #1 Wednesday.

the win over Spain was huge. Brazil will be tougher.

74 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:37:06am

re: #68 Killgore Trout

Iranian produced propaganda. Um…

75 Hengineer  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:38:00am

re: #73 _RememberTonyC

the win over Spain was huge. Brazil will be tougher.

Actually Spain was the tougher match overall. Brazil is just tougher because they play a more aggressive, a more offensive game. Spain is currently ranked #1 in the world on the FIFA point board with 1760 points, while the 2nd only had 1442. USA was ranked 14th with 970 points.

76 DEZes  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:38:06am

re: #44 iceweasel

if Obama is goaded by the taunts of this loser into making a foolish statement, then I’ll castigate him for his ego.

If he continues to resist being taunted into doing so— that’s the opposite of ego.

(Nota bene: I’m not saying Obama doesn’t have an ego)

Obama has a thin skin, I will wait and see if his handlers can keep him straight.
I just wont hold my breath.

77 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:38:12am

re: #71 Occasional Reader

I’m curious; what do you have in mind as a “foolish statement”?

Aren’t we a little past the whole “Obama can’t support the protesters, because the regime will use this as an excuse” stage? They’re using even his weak and late statements as an excuse anyway.

time for BO to toss the shoe

78 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:38:27am

re: #69 mfarmer1

The Alinsky play book doesn’t work with Thugs.

79 jaunte  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:38:31am

re: #62 Hengineer

OT: I’m not sure if anyone else pays attention to Soccer, or World Football, but the USA Men’s National Team plays Brazil in the FINAL match of the FIFA Confederations Cup Tomorrow, after upsetting Spain, the favored #1 Wednesday.

It’ll be broadcast on ESPN, Sunday June 28th at 2:30 PM EST.

80 Crimsonfisted  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:38:44am

re: #31 Occasional Reader

This is what Obama meant by “frank diplomacy”.

Make that franks and beans diplomacy.

81 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:38:44am

re: #72 realwest

It is an insult to OUR President. If Obama continues to treat Iran the way he has, then I’ll be out here once again pointing out Obama’s, ah, deficiencies.


you and me recognize it as an insult. and believe me when I say that I would pay money out of my own pocket to see the mullahs hanging from cranes in downtown Tehran. But I don’t think our President feels insulted by anything the iranians say about him. I wish he did!

82 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:39:02am

re: #78 jcm

The Alinsky play book doesn’t work with Thugs.

haha!…out thugged!

83 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:39:50am

re: #75 Hengineer

Actually Spain was the tougher match overall. Brazil is just tougher because they play a more aggressive, a more offensive game. Spain is currently ranked #1 in the world on the FIFA point board with 1760 points, while the 2nd only had 1442. USA was ranked 14th with 970 points.


I’m still learning more about the game, but isn’t Brazil the defending World Cup champ?

84 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:40:16am

re: #75 Hengineer

Brazil will be tough, but I’m hoping meeting them once already will help.

85 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:40:41am

re: #83 _RememberTonyC

Italy won the last one.

86 realwest  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:40:52am

re: #76 DEZes

Obama has a thin skin, I will wait and see if his handlers can keep him straight.
I just wont hold my breath.

I don’t think Obama will rise to this bait. I DO wish he’d make stronger statements on Iran and - don’t laugh - take the Iranian situation to the UN - let the World see just what a murderous scumbag ShortShit is - and let US put it to the UN Human Rights Council for a change.

87 Hengineer  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:41:09am

re: #83 _RememberTonyC

I’m still learning more about the game, but isn’t Brazil the defending World Cup champ?

That may be so, but Spain hasn’t lost an international game since 2006, with a record since then of 35-0-3.

88 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:41:16am

re: #84 Mr. In get Mr. Out

Brazil will be tough, but I’m hoping meeting them once already will help.

If the US beats Brazil, I will become a believer in the End Times.

/

89 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:41:39am

re: #85 Mr. In get Mr. Out

Italy won the last one.

see … I have a lot to learn! I should stick to the NBA :)

90 Hengineer  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:42:32am

re: #89 _RememberTonyC

see … I have a lot to learn! I should stick to the NBA :)

And that’s why the USA can’t consistently field a world-class team on par with Europe, we have too many competing professional sports, and Soccer aka “Football” is always relegated as a sideshow.

91 Crimsonfisted  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:42:48am
“They keep saying that they want to hold talks with Iran … but is this the correct way? Definitely, they have made a mistake,” Ahmadinejad said.

“They” is HIM, not the rest of us. I would caution you, WE THE PEOPLE are not Obama and we do not suffer tyrants for long.

92 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:42:53am

re: #76 DEZes

Obama has a thin skin, I will wait and see if his handlers can keep him straight.

Therein lies the rub. If he showed some passion and fire in speaking out for democracy against Iran I could respect him more. Instead, we get measured and uber-toned rhetoric. Sometimes a little passion is called for.

I wish Obama had the same visceral reaction to what is going on in Iran that he has when a news reporter asks a pointed question of him. That’s when you might not get the uber-toned response.

That speaks volumes to me.

93 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:42:57am

re: #86 realwest

I don’t think Obama will rise to this bait. I DO wish he’d make stronger statements on Iran and - don’t laugh - take the Iranian situation to the UN - let the World see just what a murderous scumbag ShortShit is - and let US put it to the UN Human Rights Council for a change.

you must be my long lost brother. i said the same thing yesterday about taking iran to the UN. it would be great PR if even one or two arab nations would support a resolution against iran sponsored by the USA.

94 rightymouse  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:43:17am

On the job training can suck at times.

I remember that arrogant/naive ‘no preconditions’ for talks comment.

Wonder what Obama must think now.

95 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:43:21am

re: #90 Hengineer

And that’s why the USA can’t consistently field a world-class team on par with Europe, we have too many competing professional sports, and Soccer aka “Football” is always relegated as a sideshow.

where it belongs…bunch of sissys

96 Hengineer  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:43:46am

re: #93 _RememberTonyC

you must be my long lost brother. i said the same thing yesterday about taking iran to the UN. it would be great PR if even one or two arab nations would support a resolution against iran sponsored by the USA.

It’d be even better if they sponsored the resolution themselves, and the USA supported them.

97 realwest  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:43:56am

re: #81 _RememberTonyC

you and me recognize it as an insult. and believe me when I say that I would pay money out of my own pocket to see the mullahs hanging from cranes in downtown Tehran. But I don’t think our President feels insulted by anything the iranians say about him. I wish he did!


I do understand what you’re saying, all I’m saying is that RIGHT NOW it’d be nice if we could all sorta rally around the flag or whatever, unless Obama just let’s this ride. If he doesn’t do something like what I suggested in my #86, then I think he’s lost the right to be supported by us at all.

98 DEZes  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:44:21am

re: #86 realwest

I don’t think Obama will rise to this bait. I DO wish he’d make stronger statements on Iran and - don’t laugh - take the Iranian situation to the UN - let the World see just what a murderous scumbag ShortShit is - and let US put it to the UN Human Rights Council for a change.

You are most likely correct, Obama may stay mute, But I bet it chaffs his hide. ;)

99 iceweasel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:44:38am

re: #71 Occasional Reader

I’m curious; what do you have in mind as a “foolish statement”?

Aren’t we a little past the whole “Obama can’t support the protesters, because the regime will use this as an excuse” stage? They’re using even his weak and late statements as an excuse anyway.

Anything bellicose, anything threatening, anything that announces the US will intervene to put in place the ruler THEY want to see in Iran, regardless of what the Iranian people want.

It’s a very fine line to walk. The regime *wants* to claim that there is no legitimate opposition, and that the protesters are all puppets of (or swayed by) outside forces. The regime wants to portray the protest and the opposition as something started by outsiders who seek to destabilise and undermine Iran.

This approach is the only hope the regime has of uniting Iranians under their banner: portray the civil unrest and the opposition as being about ‘outside forces’.

RealWest is getting it right, IMO. The best thing for Obama to do would be to privately lobby other countries— especially Islamic ones— to come out and condemn Ahmadi.

Then the US could weigh in publicly— and the regime in Iran wouldn’t be able to claim this is just the US dictating to Iranians how to live.

(I hope this lobbying is going on; I don’t know if it is)

100 realwest  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:45:01am

re: #93 _RememberTonyC
Hey Bro’! LOL!

101 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:45:04am

re: #96 Hengineer

It’d be even better if they sponsored the resolution themselves, and the USA supported them.


Not ……. holding …….. my …….. breath on that one!

102 iceweasel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:45:14am

re: #97 realwest

I do understand what you’re saying, all I’m saying is that RIGHT NOW it’d be nice if we could all sorta rally around the flag or whatever, unless Obama just let’s this ride. If he doesn’t do something like what I suggested in my #86, then I think he’s lost the right to be supported by us at all.

Exactly, yes.

103 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:45:51am

re: #88 Occasional Reader

DeMerit and Onyewu will need to have big games.

104 pingjockey  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:46:32am

Iran has the other islamic countries in the region scared shitless. They aren’t gonna sponsor anything against the mullahs. They are hoping the islamic zealots eat them last.

105 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:46:35am

re: #94 rightymouse

On the job training can suck at times.

I remember that arrogant/naive ‘no preconditions’ for talks comment.

Wonder what Obama must think now.

it doesn’t matter what he thinks…he has no basis, no experience for rational thought…living in a dream world is how he ended up here in the first place….he will not be suddenly struck with the ANSWER….just more twisted gobbledy gook…bet on it…he’s nuts

106 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:46:51am

re: #97 realwest

I do understand what you’re saying, all I’m saying is that RIGHT NOW it’d be nice if we could all sorta rally around the flag or whatever, unless Obama just let’s this ride. If he doesn’t do something like what I suggested in my #86, then I think he’s lost the right to be supported by us at all.


I’m in, boss. I have been pretty willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt in many areas. But as you said (in slightly different words), some indignation on his part really is called for.

107 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:47:10am

I wonder what repercussions will be meted out to Iran by the UN. Obama could actually do something by having Hillary bulldog the UN into spanking them hard, especially on nuclear energy. There’s all kinds of things they can do via the UN, or at least fight the fight.

Probably won’t happen, but I can Hope.

108 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:47:39am

re: #100 realwest

Hey Bro’! LOL!


Mom always liked you better …

109 Hengineer  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:48:25am

re: #103 Mr. In get Mr. Out

DeMerit and Onyewu will need to have big games.

Onyewu just had a huge game, The entire defense of USA held off currently the strongest team int he world.

But Tim Howard SHINED.

110 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:49:27am

Ahmadinejad sniping at 0bama reminds me of jealous little ankle bitters yipping at the heels of big dogs.

111 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:50:01am

re: #99 iceweasel

The problem I have so far with Obama’s statements is he can’t come out speak for freedom, liberty, self determination, consent of the governed. Instead he speaks in “measured” tones of “justice” thinking his Alinksy training has any meaning in Iran or the Arab world.

The Mullahs, hear “justice” as interpeted by them, the peons are rising up against the appointed of Allah, how dare they, justice will be handed out and it is. On their terms, not Chicago Community Organizing terms.

112 Racer X  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:50:02am

Uh, er, um, is this the test part I was told about?
- Barack Obama

113 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:50:25am

re: #107 BigPapa

I wonder what repercussions will be meted out to Iran by the UN. Obama could actually do something by having Hillary bulldog the UN into spanking them hard, especially on nuclear energy. There’s all kinds of things they can do via the UN, or at least fight the fight.

Probably won’t happen, but I can Hope.

the UN is useless…they hate our guts…half the world hopes Iran wipes out Israel…talk is cheap…blah blah resolutions tough talk dead end…only force is going to solve the Iranian ‘problem’

114 rightymouse  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:51:18am

re: #105 albusteve

it doesn’t matter what he thinks…he has no basis, no experience for rational thought…living in a dream world is how he ended up here in the first place….he will not be suddenly struck with the ANSWER….just more twisted gobbledy gook…bet on it…he’s nuts

Will the people who voted for him have an epiphany? I can’t help but think of the idiots in California who had children sing that “Obama’s gonna change the world and rearrange it” nonsense.

115 realwest  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:51:21am

re: #108 _RememberTonyC
LOL - Well, can you blame her?!
:)

116 pingjockey  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:51:48am

re: #113 albusteve
I wish you were wrong, but I don’t think so. Israel will have to take out the nukes and then all bets are off.

117 iceweasel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:52:02am

re: #110 Sharmuta

Ahmadinejad sniping at 0bama reminds me of jealous little ankle bitters yipping at the heels of big dogs.

Exactly. And why should Americans care about the yapping of petty dictators about our leaders, or our country?

118 Racer X  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:52:50am

The Iranian people had Hope a week ago. Today not so much. They wanted Change. They got it all right.

Barry - you’re up. Show us what you got.

119 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:54:07am

re: #114 rightymouse

Will the people who voted for him have an epiphany? I can’t help but think of the idiots in California who had children sing that “Obama’s gonna change the world and rearrange it” nonsense.

dunno..I can’t say…his hard left supporters are as delusional as he is, what we need is for him to lose the support of the fence sitters that voted for him…the far left are goners

120 Kulhwch  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:54:08am

re: #80 Crimsonfisted

Make that franks and beans diplomacy.

Youtube Video

}:)     [Hope and change, hope and change … ]

121 iceweasel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:54:43am

re: #111 jcm

The problem I have so far with Obama’s statements is he can’t come out speak for freedom, liberty, self determination, consent of the governed. Instead he speaks in “measured” tones of “justice” thinking his Alinksy training has any meaning in Iran or the Arab world.

The Mullahs, hear “justice” as interpeted by them, the peons are rising up against the appointed of Allah, how dare they, justice will be handed out and it is. On their terms, not Chicago Community Organizing terms.

I get what you’re saying, but Obama’s measured statements aren’t aimed at the mullahs— they’re aimed at everyone else, most of all the people of Iran.

Many of whom, even when they’re anti-Ahmadi, aren’t exactly pro-America, and who would switch allegiances if they thought America wanted to control their election outcome.

122 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:55:10am

re: #99 iceweasel

Anything bellicose, anything threatening, anything that announces the US will intervene to put in place the ruler THEY want to see in Iran, regardless of what the Iranian people want.

I really haven’t seen anyone seriously suggesting he do that.

But his early statements…. “robust debate”, the “Supreme Leader” is “concerned”…. were simply a shameful abdication of ANY moral leadership.

123 realwest  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:55:17am

re: #117 iceweasel Well except for the fact that this yapping petty dictator is a murderer - of his own people -and may have nukes in short order.
I certainly agree with the fact that Iran per se doesn’t pose a threat to the USA yet, but they do pose a real threat to Israel. And it’s a threat which I hope ShortShit’s comments and actions open his eyes to.

124 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:55:21am

re: #115 realwest

LOL - Well, can you blame her?!
:)


i hated all your hand me down clothes … but thanks for teaching me how to belch really loud :P

125 pingjockey  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:55:23am

re: #118 Racer X
The uprising is over. The secret police will be rounding up any leaders they can find, standing them up against the wall and that will be it. I wouldn’t be surprised if they hang a few in public as a lesson to others.
There will be statements, extracted by torture saying the uprising was orchestrated by the Great Satan and the Zionists.

126 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:56:06am

re: #117 iceweasel

Exactly. And why should Americans care about the yapping of petty dictators about our leaders, or our country?

Because our President is on record as being eager to talk to those yapping dictators, “without preconditions”.

127 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:56:07am

re: #117 iceweasel

Exactly. And why should Americans care about the yapping of petty dictators about our leaders, or our country?

agreed…the yapping is just that, while they yap, kick their ass…Iran has it coming

128 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:56:30am

re: #117 iceweasel

Exactly. And why should Americans care about the yapping of petty dictators about our leaders, or our country?

If they leader had a little more Cowboy in ‘im, they’d be worried about a JDAM knocking on the door.

Whole lot of yappin’ goin’ on the since Jan. 20, and it’s gettin’ damn noisy.

Enough yappin’ rat dogs can make life pretty miserable.

129 Tully  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:56:58am

re: #111 jcm

The problem I have so far with Obama’s statements is he can’t come out speak for freedom, liberty, self determination, consent of the governed.

Yep. He didn’t have to denounce the elections or anything else, just condemn the human right abuses. That took him a week, and would never have happened if he hadn’t been under enormous pressure from both Congress and his own people, such as Biden and Clinton.

Weenie roast? Ahmendinajad is roasting that weenie anyway.

130 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:57:01am

re: #109 Hengineer

I know. Onyewu is usually solid. But, since Bocanegra went down in World Cup qualifying, DeMerit has really shown me something, too. And, if they limit the number of good chances at Tim Howard, then I like the team’s chances.

By the way, who’s going to play for Bradley? Will Feilhaber get the start?

131 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:57:15am

gonna go for a walk … be back later …

132 pingjockey  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:57:22am

re: #128 jcm
Especially if the yappers have nukes or are about to!

133 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:57:25am

re: #123 realwest


I certainly agree with the fact that Iran per se doesn’t pose a threat to the USA yet,

I can’t agree with that statement. They do pose a threat, as the single greatest state sponsor of terrorism.

134 iceweasel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:57:43am

Cheers, everyone. I have to take off- thanks as always for an interesting and informative discussion.

Hope everyone has a great weekend!

135 DEZes  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:58:18am

re: #134 iceweasel

Cheers, everyone. I have to take off- thanks as always for an interesting and informative discussion.

Hope everyone has a great weekend!

Have a great one.

136 jvic  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:58:33am

re: #78 jcm

The Alinsky play book doesn’t work with Thugs.

Afaik the Alinsky playbook assumes the opponent behaves in a civilized manner—and it treats that as a weakness to be ruthlessly exploited.

Alinskyites wouldn’t last long if matched against real thugs, real dictators, or real revolutionaries. If Alinskyites and their rightist counterparts were willing to recognize that, American politics would be much more constructive.

137 pingjockey  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:58:44am

re: #134 iceweasel
You too!

138 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:59:11am

re: #99 iceweasel

Anything bellicose, anything threatening, anything that announces the US will intervene to put in place the ruler THEY want to see in Iran, regardless of what the Iranian people want.

It’s a very fine line to walk. The regime *wants* to claim that there is no legitimate opposition, and that the protesters are all puppets of (or swayed by) outside forces. The regime wants to portray the protest and the opposition as something started by outsiders who seek to destabilise and undermine Iran.

It’s not a very fine line at all. There’s a clearly tenable stronger position that Obama can take in support of democracy and the democratic process, not against the regime or in support of any particular candidate. He can stand against the violent crackdown as being against all the Citizens of the World.

Worrying about how the regime may play it is a distraction. They have no credibility and will spin anything into a negative. If we do nothing, they will make it up, as recent history has shown us. Why so much worry about what Achmadinejad says? He says crazy shit all the time. The problem is we don’t listen to him when we should. Instead, we are worrying about what he might say if we do something. We know what he’s going to say! It doesn’t matter if we do anything or not.

Instead of worrying about what the regime might say so much and trying not to be too do the wrong thing, maybe Obama should do the right thing and turn up the heat with an ABC primetime one hour special. He has said some strong statements about Iran, which is good, but he has not really taken a strong position other than saying ‘that’s not cool.’

It’s not statesmanship or leadership. Considering that this country will have a nuclear weapon in the near future, this was a very good opportunity started by a bunch of Iranian protesters, some of whom have been murdered.

139 realwest  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:59:49am

re: #122 Occasional Reader
Spot on comment. But as I said, maybe this will open Obama’s eyes to what ShortShit really is and the threat he does pose to peace.
But, having said that, as my President, I don’t like seeing him (and by extension us) talked to like this.
He does need to come back strong and - silly though it may seem - get Hillary’s ass over to the UN and especially to the UN Council on Human Rights. We both know they won’t do anything, but perhaps their lack of action will further open Obama’s eyes.

140 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:59:54am

re: #128 jcm

If they leader had a little more Cowboy in ‘im, they’d be worried about a JDAM knocking on the door.

Whole lot of yappin’ goin’ on the since Jan. 20, and it’s gettin’ damn noisy.

Enough yappin’ rat dogs can make life pretty miserable.

I think BO is simply confused…overcome by events and he does not know wth to do since he probably sympathizes with the Mullahs and needs them to do Israel for him….he’s really and truly fucked now…hahaha!….GOBAMA!

141 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:00:43am

re: #121 iceweasel

I get what you’re saying, but Obama’s measured statements aren’t aimed at the mullahs— they’re aimed at everyone else, most of all the people of Iran.

Many of whom, even when they’re anti-Ahmadi, aren’t exactly pro-America, and who would switch allegiances if they thought America wanted to control their election outcome.

The Mullah’s are going here what they want. No WORDs will cause them to loosen their grasp.

As to the people, especially the young demonstrators are tired of the Mullahocracy, and decidedly are looking west, Iran has (had) a high of internet use.

Freedom, Liberty aren’t American values, they are what every persons yearns for. Recognizing what the people of Iran yearn for is not a mistake.

Fence sitting in the end is always a mistake.

142 rightymouse  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:01:22am

re: #119 albusteve

dunno..I can’t say…his hard left supporters are as delusional as he is, what we need is for him to lose the support of the fence sitters that voted for him…the far left are goners

I hope any of them with half a brain will wake up.

143 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:01:45am

re: #138 BigPapa

he didn’t read JFKs inaugeration speech did he?…or pay attention to RWR…”what’s he doing in there?”

144 opnion  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:02:27am

re: #81 _RememberTonyC

you and me recognize it as an insult. and believe me when I say that I would pay money out of my own pocket to see the mullahs hanging from cranes in downtown Tehran. But I don’t think our President feels insulted by anything the iranians say about him. I wish he did!

I would bet that BHO thinkls that he is getting grief bcause of crimes of the Bush Administration. In his mind If he just stays cool & apolgizes some more ever4
things will work out great.

145 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:02:30am

Later.

146 legalpad  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:02:37am

re: #55 NJDhockeyfan

Good Ole Joe

147 pingjockey  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:02:57am

re: #145 Occasional Reader
Adios!

148 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:03:02am

re: #110 Sharmuta

Ahmadinejad sniping at 0bama reminds me of jealous little ankle bitters yipping at the heels of big dogs.

I had a Germ shep/lab mix. Beatiful dog, 120 pounds, named Thor.

A boxer came running up to him one day when I was walking him. Just stood there and peed a big ass puddle. I realized two things:

He’d never be a tough dog, and I’m really bad at naming dogs. I should have named him Dufus.

149 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:03:09am

The answer is, no, he won’t. He’s got too much skin in the game by now. His German connection, for which he will have fond memories going back to before he won office, won’t stand for it. Merkel would be shamed by a turnabout.

He won’t, because North Korea is becoming ever more belligerent and rhetorically unhinged, and he can’t afford to first put down a marker on Iran, and then turn around and pick it up after having been instructed to do so by Ahmadinejad.

Even his lamest available next steps will be firmer than what he’d had in mind up till now.

150 sngnsgt  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:04:01am

re: #148 BigPapa

LOL!

151 John Neverbend  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:05:43am

I do hope that the administration recognizes that they’re flogging a dead horse with Iran, and that they don’t decide that they need to take an even less favourable stance with Israel in the coming months, in order to redeem themselves with little squinty.

152 realwest  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:06:20am

Well I gotta go folks. It’s been real and I hope I get the chance to see you all down the road.

And - regardless of what Obama does or doesn’t say, I’m sending up MY prayers for the Iranian dissidents.

153 ErnieG  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:06:34am

re: #12 jaunte

Is ‘The Chicago Way’ strictly for the home front?

Actually, it works best in Chicago.

154 DEZes  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:07:00am

re: #152 realwest

Well I gotta go folks. It’s been real and I hope I get the chance to see you all down the road.

And - regardless of what Obama does or doesn’t say, I’m sending up MY prayers for the Iranian dissidents.

Take good care.

155 pingjockey  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:07:04am

re: #151 John Neverbend
Bet on it. Israel is gonna get blamed as usual for any snags in the ‘peace process’. spit!

156 unreconstructed rebel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:07:05am

We now know why Dinner Jacket is the hand picked figurehead for the Islamofascists who run Iran -

Khamenei needs a junkyard dog to bark at the passing cars.

157 Cathypop  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:07:23am

re: #27 BignJames

For such a smart fellow, he sure does do some stupid shit.


Stupid Shit should be his middle name.

158 pingjockey  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:07:23am

re: #152 realwest
See ya later!

159 unreconstructed rebel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:08:56am

re: #8 pegcity

You guys aren’t allowed to come to our BBQ anymore, that’ll show em

We we going to make sure it was a porkless BBQ? Makes you wonder don’t it?

160 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:08:59am

“war is never the answer!”

161 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:09:36am

I am disgusted with Ahmaninejad and Obama both.

Put them on St. Helena.

With all the mullahs, and the entire US Congress, and the mainstream media.

No more words from me, they’d all be foul.

162 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:09:39am

re: #160 albusteve

“war is never the answer!”

Peace out dude!

163 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:09:59am

re: #159 unreconstructed rebel

We we going to make sure it was a porkless BBQ? Makes you wonder don’t it?

roast goat, jerked and pulled…mmmmm, very tasty

164 pingjockey  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:10:14am

re: #160 albusteve
Ahahaha! Mwahaha! Idiots who spew that, do not know history!
Not you of course.

165 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:10:51am

“give peace a chance!”

166 pingjockey  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:11:22am

“Only the dead know peace”

167 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:11:31am

IF the “Stimulus” was worth doing, where are the jobs? It has been 6 months. They are asking this question over at “Newsmax”. It is a nasty, nasty political question.

I add some

*spit*

168 jantjepietje  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:11:53am

The Islamists have the biggest tinfoil hats of all no matter what America does they will always be accused of interfering.

169 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:11:54am

re: #160 albusteve

“war is never the answer!”

‘give peace a chance’

It should be ‘give a piece a chance.’

170 CEQAttorney  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:12:19am

Perhaps its just me, but Obama is only taking “tough stands” against people who can’t really fight back.

He took a hard line against the banks who wanted federal bailout money.
He took a hard line against GM bond holders that he could bully.
He took a hard line against Israel about the settlements.

But, he won’t take a hard line against terrorists who will attack the United States.

171 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:12:57am

“war is lack of imagination!”

172 ErnieG  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:13:09am

re: #86 realwest

I don’t think Obama will rise to this bait. I DO wish he’d make stronger statements on Iran and - don’t laugh - take the Iranian situation to the UN - let the World see just what a murderous scumbag ShortShit is - and let US put it to the UN Human Rights Council for a change.


The UN Human Rights Council? They would give give ShortShit a medal…and ask Obama to apologize.

173 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:13:10am

re: #165 albusteve

“give peace a chance!”

Stop Plate Tectonics!
Reunite Gwondonaland!

174 pingjockey  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:13:37am

“war is the extension of politcal aims by other means”

175 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:14:56am

“brains, not bombs!”

[Link: mbeaw.org…]

176 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:15:02am

Peace through strength.

177 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:15:14am

re: #168 jantjepietje

The Islamists have the biggest tinfoil hats of all no matter what America does they will always be accused of interfering.

Thank you! You can talk to crazy but you can’t reason with crazy. However, you can strategize how they will react if you can understand their reasoning.

Worrying about them blaming us right now is a mistake.

178 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:15:57am

re: #170 CEQAttorney

Perhaps its just me, but Obama is only taking “tough stands” against people who can’t really fight back.

He took a hard line against the banks who wanted federal bailout money.
He took a hard line against GM bond holders that he could bully.
He took a hard line against Israel about the settlements.

But, he won’t take a hard line against terrorists who will attack the United States.

sounds like a real Chicago tough guy eh?…smacking up old ladies etc

179 debutaunt  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:16:20am

re: #171 albusteve

“war is lack of imagination!”

But what is freedom?

180 unreconstructed rebel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:17:35am

re: #175 albusteve

“brains, not bombs!”

[Link: mbeaw.org…]

You must be having a slow day. ;)

181 austin_blue  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:17:53am

re: #56 Killgore Trout

The Koskidz finally turned on Galloway….
Galloway: Khamenei’s British mouthpiece

I just have a hard time seeing Obama going in that direction. It’s going to be a tough sale.

I don’t think any talks with Iran will be overt. There will be talks, but I think it will be deep back channel, with plausible deniability.

By the way, 97 degrees here at 11:50. We’ll hit 105 or 06 again today.

182 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:17:56am

re: #176 MandyManners

Peace through strength.

overwhelming firepower…unleash the B-52’s

Image: b52s_1stf.jpg

183 ErnieG  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:18:11am

re: #178 albusteve

sounds like a real Chicago tough guy eh?…smacking up old ladies etc

“Forget it, Jake. It’s Chinatown Chicago.”

184 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:18:18am

re: #141 jcm

Machiavelli on why it is no good to be neutral:

“A prince is also respected when he is either a true friend or a downright enemy, that is to say, when, without any reservation, he declares himself in favour of one party against the other; which course will always be more advantageous than standing neutral; because if two of your powerful neighbours come to blows, they are of such a character that, if one of them conquers, you have either to fear him or not. In either case it will always be more advantageous for you to declare yourself and to make war strenuously; because, in the first case, if you do not declare yourself, you will invariably fall a prey to the conqueror, to the pleasure and satisfaction of him who has been conquered, and you will have no reasons to offer, nor anything to protect or to shelter you. Because he who conquers does not want doubtful friends who will not aid him in the time of trial; and he who loses will not harbour you because you did not willingly, sword in hand, court his fate.

Antiochus went into Greece, being sent for by the Aetolians to drive out the Romans. He sent envoys to the Achaeans, who were friends of the Romans, exhorting them to remain neutral; and on the other hand the Romans urged them to take up arms. This question came to be discussed in the council of the Achaeans, where the legate of Antiochus urged them to stand neutral. To this the Roman legate answered: “As for that which has been said, that it is better and more advantageous for your state not to interfere in our war, nothing can be more erroneous; because by not interfering you will be left, without favour or consideration, the guerdon of the conqueror.” Thus it will always happen that he who is not your friend will demand your neutrality, whilst he who is your friend will entreat you to declare yourself with arms. And irresolute princes, to avoid present dangers, generally follow the neutral path, and are generally ruined. But when a prince declares himself gallantly in favour of one side, if the party with whom he allies himself conquers, although the victor may be powerful and may have him at his mercy, yet he is indebted to him, and there is established a bond of amity; and men are never so shameless as to become a monument of ingratitude by oppressing you. Victories after all are never so complete that the victor must not show some regard, especially to justice. But if he with whom you ally yourself loses, you may be sheltered by him, and whilst he is able he may aid you, and you become companions on a fortune that may rise again.”

185 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:18:20am

re: #175 albusteve

Thanks for the laugh. It must be nice to live with such one dimensional philosophy.

186 pingjockey  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:18:29am

“Peace through superior firepower”

187 nyc redneck  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:18:54am

o is such a fcking embarrassment.
how is he going to spin this?
how is he going to pretend that he is anything but the “weak horse” in this race.
he has invited this shit kicking from the shit slinging monkey.
o is like a child up against monsters.

188 jvic  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:19:26am

re: #138 BigPapa

It’s not a very fine line at all. There’s a clearly tenable stronger position that Obama can take in support of democracy and the democratic process, not against the regime or in support of any particular candidate. He can stand against the violent crackdown as being against all the Citizens of the World.

Actually, he doesn’t have to mention the crackdown at all. Apparently the Iranians are sensitive about outside interference.

Without naming other countries, he can and should make high-visibility pronouncements about America’s support for freedom, rule of law, separation of religion and state, protection for minorities, etc. The upcoming holiday provides a natural context. (Unfortunately, rhetoric like that might alienate some of his most passionate supporters.)

At the same time, the Administration should dodge questions about future options, declining to get pinned down regarding overall policy toward any specific country.

189 pingjockey  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:19:50am

re: #185 BigPapa
Psst…he left off the tag.

190 pingjockey  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:20:30am

Nap time, catch you fine folks later!

191 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:20:58am
Obama’s diplomatic initiative with Iran lies in ruins, and its naïveté has never been more obvious. The question is, will he just carry on with his plans for talks with Iran as if the protests and murders had never happened?

Yes (that was suppose to be a trick question, right Charles?)

192 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:21:07am

re: #187 nyc redneck

O = Giant Moron

Come on say it MSM

*mondo, thick lugie*

193 jorline  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:21:46am
Obama’s diplomatic initiative with Iran lies in ruins, and its naïveté has never been more obvious. The question is, will he just carry on with his plans for talks with Iran as if the protests and murders had never happened?

Spot-on Charles.

Whether charming the crowds on the campaign trail, placating to the EU groupies in Germany or sucking up to the Muslim populace in the Middle East…Obama has demonstrated he’s nothing more than the Sham-Wow Man.

194 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:22:16am

re: #190 pingjockey

Nap time, catch you fine folks later!

Peace through milk, graham crackers, and nap time!

195 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:22:30am

re: #187 nyc redneck

o is such a fcking embarrassment.
how is he going to spin this?
how is he going to pretend that he is anything but the “weak horse” in this race.
he has invited this shit kicking from the shit slinging monkey.
o is like a child up against monsters.

I’m over being pissed…this is a great show he’s putting on…really none of it makes any difference imo…we/Israel are gonna get the shit knocked out of us or they are…it can only turn those two ways…might as well enjoy the one man Three Stooges

196 ErnieG  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:22:52am

re: #193 jorline

Spot-on Charles.

Whether charming the crowds on the campaign trail, placating to the EU groupies in Germany or sucking up to the Muslim populace in the Middle East…Obama has demonstrated he’s nothing more than the Sham-Wow Man.

“But wait! There’s more!”

197 Earth56  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:23:31am

We are in the same days as when Hitler took over the Sudetenland and Chamberland.

Interesting how there are three axis powers (Iran,N Korea and Venezuela )
just like in WW2.

You think the brains out there in DC would learn from history

198 jaunte  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:23:59am

re: #187 nyc redneck

o is such a fcking embarrassment.
how is he going to spin this?
how is he going to pretend that he is anything but the “weak horse” in this race.
he has invited this shit kicking from the shit slinging monkey.
o is like a child up against monsters.

Image: mban1475l.jpg

199 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:24:01am

There is no greater criminal in politics than he who shrinks from using honorable power.

John Le Carre

200 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:24:17am

re: #197 Earth56

We don’t teach history anymore, so it’s hard to learn the lessons of it.

201 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:24:21am

re: #189 pingjockey

Psst…he left off the tag.

I know. I was talking about the peeps who live those anti war slogans.

I know albusteve pretty well by now. He’s non-DFH!

202 The Other Les  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:24:50am

The question is, will he just carry on with his plans for talks with Iran as if the protests and murders had never happened?
Of he will.

To do otherwise would be to admit that he was in error. That would contradict the notion that he is in some way infallible and is therefore contrary to his posture of a Messiah/God-King/Collectivist-Leader.

Expect Hell (if it exists) to freeze over first.

203 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:24:55am

re: #197 Earth56

We are in the same days as when Hitler took over the Sudetenland and Chamberland.

Interesting how there are three axis powers (Iran,N Korea and Venezuela )
just like in WW2.

You think the brains out there in DC would learn from history

The only thing we learn from history, is that we never learn from history.

204 unreconstructed rebel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:25:16am

re: #197 Earth56

You think the brains out there in DC would learn from history

You are presupposing that there are brains out there in DC.

205 Earth56  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:25:18am

re: #200 Sharmuta

We don’t teach history anymore, so it’s hard to learn the lessons of it.


OOps…forgot about that and your right

206 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:25:21am

I just had to drop back in to post this little gem…

Remember how “cap and trade” was supposed to reduce our dependence on foreign oil?

Big Oil’s Answer to Carbon Law May Be Fuel Imports

June 26 (Bloomberg) — America’s biggest oil companies will probably cope with U.S. carbon legislation by closing fuel plants, cutting capital spending and increasing imports.

Oops.

207 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:25:30am

Where’s my stimulus money?

208 Earth56  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:26:36am

re: #204 unreconstructed rebel

You are presupposing that there are brains out there in DC.


I meant like in Young Frankenstein

209 jaunte  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:27:04am

re: #206 Occasional Reader

Central Planning fails to cover all the options. Example #eleventytrillion.

210 jorline  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:27:18am

re: #196 ErnieG

“But wait! There’s more!”

Don’t tell me about the frigging two for the price of one sale…next ten minutes.
/

211 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:27:22am

re: #207 Ojoe

Where’s my stimulus money?

Sorry, it just covers your Cap-n-Trade tax.

212 Earth56  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:27:24am

re: #207 Ojoe

Where’s my stimulus money?

They don’t have any more money for postage so you have to pick it up

213 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:27:29am

re: #206 Occasional Reader

I just had to drop back in to post this little gem…

Remember how “cap and trade” was supposed to reduce our dependence on foreign oil?

Big Oil’s Answer to Carbon Law May Be Fuel Imports

Oops.

BO will simply nationalize Big Oil….don’t think so?

214 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:27:38am

Carbon is a key element in the green molecule chlorophyl.

215 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:28:19am

re: #214 Ojoe

Carbon is a key element in the green molecule chlorophyl.

It would be simpler just to ban carbon, nasty stuff.

/////

216 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:28:25am

Frrrrrrrrrrripp!

Tax me.

217 ErnieG  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:28:31am

re: #210 jorline

Don’t tell me about the frigging two for the price of one sale…next ten minutes.
/

Operators are standing by.

/

218 Kragar  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:28:47am

Personally, I think Obama is shitting himself. Watch him try and push more and more crap domestically to try and shift attention from the fact he has zero control or influence internationally.

219 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:29:02am

re: #188 jvic

Actually, he doesn’t have to mention the crackdown at all. Apparently the Iranians are sensitive about outside interference.

Without naming other countries, he can and should make high-visibility pronouncements about America’s support for freedom, rule of law, separation of religion and state, protection for minorities, etc. The upcoming holiday provides a natural context. (Unfortunately, rhetoric like that might alienate some of his most passionate supporters.)

At the same time, the Administration should dodge questions about future options, declining to get pinned down regarding overall policy toward any specific country.

The Iranian government is sensitive about outside interference. There’s few million Iranians that are craving it right now.

The upcoming holiday could be used for a bully pulpit to promote the values that America has, that all peace and freedom loving people share throughout the world. I wouldn’t turn it into a speech about NorKor and Iranian protests, but the message will be there.

The time to talk about the horrific protest crackdown should be immediately before or after this holiday, or by Hillary (or even Obama) at the very next UN convention, in the strongest of terms.

220 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:29:12am

re: #202 The Other Les

The question is, will he just carry on with his plans for talks with Iran as if the protests and murders had never happened?
Of he will.

To do otherwise would be to admit that he was in error. That would contradict the notion that he is in some way infallible and is therefore contrary to his posture of a Messiah/God-King/Collectivist-Leader.

Expect Hell (if it exists) to freeze over first.

the what the Spinning Tower of Babble is for….we’ll never know what hit us

221 debutaunt  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:29:24am

re: #197 Earth56

We are in the same days as when Hitler took over the Sudetenland and Chamberland.

Interesting how there are three axis powers (Iran,N Korea and Venezuela )
just like in WW2.

You think the brains out there in DC would learn from history

They certainly expect to do it better and will be stunned when it fails each time.

222 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:30:06am

re: #218 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

the fact he has zero control or influence internationally.

Which he wouldn’t if he knew how to use the military & the bully pulpit he now occupies.

223 ErnieG  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:30:26am

re: #221 debutaunt

They certainly expect to do it better and will be stunned when it fails each time.

The well-known definition of insanity.

224 jorline  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:31:02am

re: #217 ErnieG

Operators are standing by.

/

I’m waiting for the offer to include this.

225 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:31:06am

re: #193 jorline

…Obama has demonstrated he’s nothing more than the Sham-Wow Man.

“Look Camera Guy, are you watching this?”

226 Earth56  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:31:23am

re: #222 Ojoe

Which he wouldn’t if he knew how to use the military & the bully pulpit he now occupies.


But we wouldn’t want to hurt ther feeeeelings..would we ?

227 jaunte  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:31:34am

re: #206 Occasional Reader

I just had to drop back in to post this little gem…

Remember how “cap and trade” was supposed to reduce our dependence on foreign oil?

Big Oil’s Answer to Carbon Law May Be Fuel Imports

Oops.

From your link: Here’s another wealth transfer, out of the country.
Thanks, elected representatives!

“The permit-cost imbalance would open the door for overseas refiners, such as India’s Reliance Industries Ltd., owner of the world’s largest crude-processing complex, to ship more fuel to U.S. oil companies, said Bill Holbrook, spokesman for the National Petrochemical and Refiners Association in Washington.

“It’s going to give domestic refiners a distinct disadvantage,” said Holbrook, whose trade group represents such fuel makers as Chevron Corp. and Valero Energy Corp.”

228 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:32:46am

re: #197 Earth56

We are in the same days as when Hitler took over the Sudetenland and Chamberland.

Interesting how there are three axis powers (Iran,N Korea and Venezuela )
just like in WW2.

You think the brains out there in DC would learn from history

Maybe FCBBHO thinks he transcends history.

229 debutaunt  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:34:03am

re: #228 MandyManners

Maybe FCBBHO thinks he transcends history.

He seems unaware of any history beyond his own.

230 unreconstructed rebel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:34:07am

re: #228 MandyManners

Maybe FCBBHO thinks he transcends history.

We get one of those from time to time. After which, the rest of us get to clean up the mess.

231 Earth56  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:34:34am

re: #228 MandyManners

Maybe FCBBHO thinks he transcends history.

as my father used to say

“There are some people who are smart and some that are intelliegent “

232 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:34:35am
“My call to every senator, as well as to every American, is this,” he said. “We cannot be afraid of the future. And we must not be prisoners of the past. Don’t believe the misinformation out there that suggests there is somehow a contradiction between investing in clean energy and economic growth.”

As Jim Jones famously said, drink the Kool-Aid.

/economic suicide is painless

233 debutaunt  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:35:20am

re: #230 unreconstructed rebel

We get one of those from time to time. After which, the rest of us get to clean up the mess.


…and our grandchildren will be furious at us.

234 Kragar  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:35:30am

re: #231 Earth56

as my father used to say

“There are some people who are smart and some that are intelliegent “

Mine always said “Some people are too smart for their own good.”

I’ve known a lot of smart dummies in my day

235 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:35:43am

re: #197 Earth56

We are in the same days as when Hitler took over the Sudetenland and Chamberland.

Interesting how there are three axis powers (Iran,N Korea and Venezuela )
just like in WW2.

You think the brains out there in DC would learn from history

They have learned from history. The world has learned from history. What have they learned?

They have learned that in times of ethnic crisis, nationalism and fascism finds a cozy place to lay their head, and an assume opportunity arises to reestablish ones racial superiority over others.

They have learned that in times of economic crisis, big business can cry foul and ask the government for handouts, and those hungry for unmitigated power can take advantage of the situation and come along and slide their claws into private industry, in an attempt to control what a business manufactures, how much an employee makes and who wins or loses in the marketplace.

They have learned that in times of moral crisis, that they can come into our lives, telling us what is good for us, in turn, good for the world, in turn good for the social systems that they call diversity, all the while in actuality, stealing form those who honestly make a way for themselves and family and giving to those who have no tit to suck on except the teat of the government nanny.

You assume that there are “brains” in the government, versus the reality that there are simply broken men and woman in government who want nothing more than every last ounce of power and money from you.

236 Kragar  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:36:46am

re: #233 debutaunt

…and our grandchildren will be furious at us.

Just make sure they can speak Chinese so they can find work and maybe they’ll cut you some slack

237 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:37:09am

if I was the coach, I’d have my Navy, bumper to bumper, laying off Iranian waters, guns trained on their refinery…I’d have every Predator armed and in the air…I would flood Iraqi bases with B-2s and F15/16s….I would have a couple of squadrons of B-52s armed and sneaking…I would be itching for a fight, and for little excuse hand Iran it’s ass…if the Rev Guard moves, kill it…proceed from there with some sort of pow wow

238 Earth56  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:37:23am

re: #235 Walter L. Newton

“You assume that there are “brains” in the government, versus the reality that there are simply broken men and woman in government who want nothing more than every last ounce of power and money from you.”


Actually I was wishing there were brains in DC and you are right

239 jorline  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:37:57am

For the first time in my life, I feel like the “American Dream” is disappearing.

When I started my company two years ago I was full of hope and energy. Now I don’t know what the future holds…is it worth the risk…why should I grow?

240 Earth56  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:38:17am

re: #237 albusteve

if I was the coach, I’d have my Navy, bumper to bumper, laying off Iranian waters, guns trained on their refinery…I’d have every Predator armed and in the air…I would flood Iraqi bases with B-2s and F15/16s….I would have a couple of squadrons of B-52s armed and sneaking…I would be itching for a fight, and for little excuse hand Iran it’s ass…if the Rev Guard moves, kill it…proceed from there with some sort of pow wow


But then the world would not like us !

sarc/off

241 LGoPs  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:39:03am

re: #239 jorline

For the first time in my life, I feel like the “American Dream” is disappearing.

When I started my company two years ago I was full of hope and energy. Now I don’t know what the future holds…is it worth the risk…why should I grow?

The “American Dream” is turning into the “American Nightmare”
/

242 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:40:38am

re: #239 jorline

For the first time in my life, I feel like the “American Dream” is disappearing.

When I started my company two years ago I was full of hope and energy. Now I don’t know what the future holds…is it worth the risk…why should I grow?

it is and that’s a fact…I’ve got kids and I’m pissed

243 ErnieG  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:41:01am

re: #232 Killian Bundy

“My call to every senator, as well as to every American, is this,” he said. “We cannot be afraid of the future. And we must not be prisoners of the past. Don’t believe the misinformation out there that suggests there is somehow a contradiction between investing in clean energy and economic growth.”

Also: “there are those who say…”, and “some say…”, “you may hear that…”

Translation from Obamaspeak: “Straw man comin’.”

244 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:41:14am

re: #239 jorline

For the first time in my life, I feel like the “American Dream” is disappearing.

When I started my company two years ago I was full of hope and energy. Now I don’t know what the future holds…is it worth the risk…why should I grow?

The American Dream was simply a marketing ploy of the politicians. That ad campaign is over. It’s reality TV time now, and the dream has been shown for what it has always been, an empty promise.

245 nyc redneck  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:41:23am

o has puffed himself to be so important. he is pretending to be the strong and courageous man w/ the answers for everything to all people everywhere.
only fools see him that way.

to the observant he is a classless, arrogant, offensive dork.
the enemy has scrutinized him and is enjoying batting him around on the world stage.
he reeks of weakness.
and ignorance.

246 The Other Les  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:41:35am

re: #235 Walter L. Newton

In short: POWER IS LIFE!

247 debutaunt  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:41:51am

We know that the American Dream was created because of Capitalism, but too may people fail to understand it and have given their lives over to an unnamed entity. It’s devastating to see how easily it happened.

248 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:42:14am

re: #240 Earth56

But then the world would not like us !

sarc/off

Pssst…
They already don’t like us

249 jorline  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:42:21am

re: #241 LGoPs

The “American Dream” is turning into the “American Nightmare”
/

No sarc tag needed. This is PBO future.

If the shape familiar?

250 capitalist piglet  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:42:26am

re: #239 jorline

For the first time in my life, I feel like the “American Dream” is disappearing.

When I started my company two years ago I was full of hope and energy. Now I don’t know what the future holds…is it worth the risk…why should I grow?

I don’t know how old you are, jorline, but it feels to me very much like it felt in the Carter years. I am in my late forties, and it was the only time in my life, up until now, that I felt truly insecure about the leadership of our country.

251 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:42:44am

re:

252 unreconstructed rebel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:43:28am

re: #251 Ojoe

re:

253 debutaunt  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:43:37am

re: #249 jorline

No sarc tag needed. This is PBO future.

If the shape familiar?

It should have a joker on top.

254 Flavia  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:43:51am

re: #133 Occasional Reader

I can’t agree with that statement. They do pose a threat, as the single greatest state sponsor of terrorism.

No, that’s the Saudis.

And, as far as the article goes, I do think Dinnerjacket is playing into Obama’s hands, rather like the way the idiots at Durban did. Obama wants to come across as reasonable, until forced to be otherwise. While I think this is a mistake (I think it is better to call a spade a shovel, rather than pretend otherwise just for “diplomacy”), it is at least working the way Obama wants it to (as in, too slowly for me). Obama has been hands-off, in deference to America’s previous interference in Iranian politics (the Shah), but Dinnerjacket is being a prime putz, forcing Obama to be harsher (& thus going some way to satisfying his critics).

255 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:44:20am

re: #249 jorline

No sarc tag needed. This is PBO future.

If the shape familiar?

I hope not.

256 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:44:52am

re: #251 Ojoe

What happened to the rest of the post?

257 Earth56  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:45:50am

re: #248 jcm

Pssst…
They already don’t like us

I love talking with far left liberals who think that only recently “they” didn’t like us. I tell them to try and actually READ history and not be so gullible

258 debutaunt  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:45:59am

re: #256 Ojoe

What happened to the rest of the post?

Yeah, what was it regarding?

259 unreconstructed rebel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:46:36am

re: #256 Ojoe

What happened to the rest of the post?

That happened to me a long time ago. Did you edit your post? Sometimes a tag gets stepped on.

260 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:46:49am

re: #256 Ojoe

Anyway, having the government & politicians involved in renewable energy, and sustainability, which are things that we should be working on if we want a decent life for our children and grandchildren, is the kiss of death for these useful things.

261 Earth56  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:47:07am

re: #250 capitalist piglet

I don’t know how old you are, jorline, but it feels to me very much like it felt in the Carter years. I am in my late forties, and it was the only time in my life, up until now, that I felt truly insecure about the leadership of our country.


Funny, I was thinking the same and I’m in my early 50s.

Those were miserable days

262 nyc redneck  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:47:15am

re: #195 albusteve

I’m over being pissed…this is a great show he’s putting on…really none of it makes any difference imo…we/Israel are gonna get the shit knocked out of us or they are…it can only turn those two ways…might as well enjoy the one man Three Stooges

this could be a turning point for the o show.
he is looking so weak and stupid. he has had examples set for him everywhere in history.
his arrogance is the worst for me.
his obnoxious assumption that he IS god.
there is no other course of action for the enemy but to kick his ass,
in the most public way.

263 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:47:19am

BBL

264 jorline  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:47:30am

re: #244 Walter L. Newton

The American Dream was simply a marketing ploy of the politicians. That ad campaign is over. It’s reality TV time now, and the dream has been shown for what it has always been, an empty promise.

You may be right Walter. Sleight-of-Hand trick…Ponzi Scheme?

New avatar…I miss the hat.

265 Kragar  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:47:34am

Just tried to watch the news. Apparently Michael Jackson is still dead. Sure am glad there is absolutely nothing else going on in the world.

266 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:47:38am

re: #257 Earth56

I love talking with far left liberals who think that only recently “they” didn’t like us. I tell them to try and actually READ history and not be so gullible

LOL!

Me, I’d settle for respect. Earned, one way or the other.

267 Stuart Leviton  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:47:51am

re: #237 albusteve

if I was the coach, I’d have my Navy, bumper to bumper, laying off Iranian waters, guns trained on their refinery…I’d have every Predator armed and in the air…I would flood Iraqi bases with B-2s and F15/16s….I would have a couple of squadrons of B-52s armed and sneaking…I would be itching for a fight, and for little excuse hand Iran it’s ass…if the Rev Guard moves, kill it…proceed from there with some sort of pow wow

My friend, why wait (for even a little excuse)?

268 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:48:18am

re: #259 unreconstructed rebel

Don’t know…

The cat is not here to step on the keyboard either.

269 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:48:44am

Hey Senators, go ahead and call the TOTUS/Pelosi bluff, pass this monstrosity first thing Monday morning. I double dog dare you. Move on to dismantling health care as we know it.

/throw Republicans a 2010 landslide, it’s that bad

270 ErnieG  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:48:59am

re: #265 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Just tried to watch the news. Apparently Michael Jackson is still dead. Sure am glad there is absolutely nothing else going on in the world.

Yeah, I heard the same thing about Franco.

271 Earth56  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:49:30am

re: #265 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Just tried to watch the news. Apparently Michael Jackson is still dead. Sure am glad there is absolutely nothing else going on in the world.

Don’t worry..there will be sightings of him in Boonesboro, Kentucky pumping gas

272 nyc redneck  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:50:11am

re: #218 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Personally, I think Obama is shitting himself. Watch him try and push more and more crap domestically to try and shift attention from the fact he has zero control or influence internationally.

some of that will be motivated by anger that he can only turn on us.
his ego will make him very vindictive.
we will suffer as the world laughs at this moron.

273 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:50:32am

re: #254 Flavia

No, that’s the Saudis.
I do think Dinnerjacket is playing into Obama’s hands…

How so? Suppose it’s to paint Achmedinejad as the crazy and Obama as the rationed one, and it works. What next?

274 [deleted]  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:51:20am
275 dapperdave  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:51:44am

I hope that o and the democrats start to rethink things and change direction, unfortunately I don’t think that they’ll admit that Bush was right and because of their ego’s they will more than likely continue on this road of failed foreign policy until they’re removed from office.

276 hazzyday  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:51:45am

The Democratic party as a whole has for the past 8 years acted as if there is nothing of real importance outside of the United States. It’s all been an interior power struggle for them. They come into power and they are incapable. It’s rule by greed and hope for good results.

277 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:52:16am

US will not use force to inspect NKorean ship

Likely Destination of N Korean Ship Often Used for Weapons Deliveries

/hey, thanks for the door to door naval escort!

278 jorline  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:52:42am

re: #250 capitalist piglet

I don’t know how old you are, jorline, but it feels to me very much like it felt in the Carter years. I am in my late forties, and it was the only time in my life, up until now, that I felt truly insecure about the leadership of our country.

I’m 55 and I remember those years well. I was in my mid twenties then, I didn’t have the worries nor responsibilities I have now. I put everything into my business…it became my 401K.

279 enigma3535  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:52:51am

IMHO, both the “Obama’s diplomatic initiative with Iran lies in ruins” and “its naïveté has never been more obvious” comments are not very intelligent at this time … time will tell regarding the efficacy of the posture that Obama has staked out regarding what is happening in Iran. Calling said posture a failure at this moment is bordering on an adolescent-level reaction to lots of bad news and probably influenced by the Right in this country hammering Obama, mercilessly.

This one begs to ask what would be have been a more optimal plan for Obama to take?

Feed the government of Iran with more fodder for their propaganda? This one thinks not. Obama’s level-headed, measured rhetoric has been awe-inspiring. A sentiment bolstered by dissident Iranians who have had a consensus view regarding Obama’s performance: “nearly, perfect” … and, IMHO, they know more about what is happening then any of us Americans [with or without an axe to grind] do.

280 ErnieG  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:54:04am

re: #276 hazzyday

The Democratic party as a whole has for the past 8 years acted as if there is nothing of real importance outside of the United States. It’s all been an interior power struggle for them. They come into power and they are incapable. It’s rule by greed and hope for good results.

With this bunch, it’s even worse. Their focus and experience is Chicago, not the United States as a whole.

281 jorline  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:54:07am

re: #255 jcm

I hope not.

Damn buzzards…always good to see you jcm.

282 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:54:09am

re: #274 MikeySDCA

Bambi has been guilty of perhaps the most utter and culpable misjudgment of the character of an opponent since Chamberlain at Munich. The one bit of luck we had is that Amanutjob is not a particularly clever thug, and so blew the opportunity to meet with our ninny and steal something major.

There is Rabbit Bait and Khomenini, and Mugabe, and Brezhnev.

283 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:54:19am

re: #276 hazzyday

The Democratic party as a whole has for the past 8 years acted as if there is nothing of real importance outside of the United States. It’s all been an interior power struggle for them. They come into power and they are incapable. It’s rule by greed and hope for good results.

creeping socialism and pimping for votes to ensure their staus is all that matters…denying this is irrational and the record proves it

284 mich-again  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:54:21am
Obama’s diplomatic initiative with Iran lies in ruins,

Who could have seen that coming? /

You can’t reason with insanity. You can’t trust a wild animal. You can’t make an deal with a cheater.

The best way to deal with Ahmadinejad is to mock him, refer to him only as the disputed President of the Islamic Republic, and at every turn scoff at and ridicule the charade posing as free elections in Iran.

The Mullahs and the Dinner Jacket are not worthy of any serious attempts at diplomacy. Make it clear that we will just wait until an honest leader emerges from the muck of the Islamic Kleptocracy and until then we will consider Iran a sworn enemy of the US and our interests.

285 hazzyday  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:54:46am

So Pres Obama met VP Biden’s first foreign policy test and failed?

286 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:54:55am

re: #281 jorline

Damn buzzards…always good to see you jcm.

Mornin’ for a few more minutes on the left coast!

287 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:55:31am

re: #279 enigma3535

IMHO, both the “Obama’s diplomatic initiative with Iran lies in ruins” and “its naïveté has never been more obvious” comments are not very intelligent at this time … time will tell regarding the efficacy of the posture that Obama has staked out regarding what is happening in Iran. Calling said posture a failure at this moment is bordering on an adolescent-level reaction to lots of bad news and probably influenced by the Right in this country hammering Obama, mercilessly.

This one begs to ask what would be have been a more optimal plan for Obama to take?

Feed the government of Iran with more fodder for their propaganda? This one thinks not. Obama’s level-headed, measured rhetoric has been awe-inspiring. A sentiment bolstered by dissident Iranians who have had a consensus view regarding Obama’s performance: “nearly, perfect” … and, IMHO, they know more about what is happening then any of us Americans [with or without an axe to grind] do.

Too bad I have to run, don’t hurt him Lizards.

288 hazzyday  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:55:53am

re: #279 enigma3535

So you felt the same way about President Bush?

289 Gus  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:56:03am

re: #277 Killian Bundy

US will not use force to inspect NKorean ship

Likely Destination of N Korean Ship Often Used for Weapons Deliveries

/hey, thanks for the door to door naval escort!

The weapon of choice for the Obama administration: rhetoric and the UN.

290 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:56:19am

re: #279 enigma3535

more talking points….all blather…you do not perceive events in reality…nice lingo tho

291 jorline  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:57:29am

bbl…time to capture some afternoon fun with the family.

292 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:59:36am

re: #279 enigma3535

Obama’s level-headed, measured rhetoric has been awe-inspiring.

Tell that to the brave Iranians who have died in the street. What encouragement have they had? And all they basically want freedom; right now they cannot drink a beer or hold hands with their sweetheart in a park.

Obama has no clue about the country he heads and what we historically have stood for.

This is a dark time for us, we are betraying our mission.

293 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:59:51am

re: #285 hazzyday

So Pres Obama met VP Biden’s first foreign policy test and failed?

No, no, it will appear he failed, but we have to trust them they are doing the right thing, even if it looks like failure.

294 jvic  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:00:00pm

re: #219 BigPapa

The Iranian government is sensitive about outside interference. There’s few million Iranians that are craving it right now.

That’s plausible, but available information is unreliable. Iirc there have been LGF comments pointing to dissident sites urging the US not to interfere. Of course, they may have changed their minds as their situation has gotten more desperate. Of course, they could change their minds again if we did intervene.

The time to talk about the horrific protest crackdown should be immediately before or after this holiday, or by Hillary (or even Obama) at the very next UN convention, in the strongest of terms.

I’d have the condemnation done by a former high official (a former President, VPOTUS, SecState etc) or public figure with similar prestige. Have government media report it. When questions are asked, reply that so-and-so is no longer in a policymaking role, and refuse to say more one way or the other.

295 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:00:10pm

really, BBL

296 hazzyday  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:00:18pm

I’m wondering these days what blogs politicians read. If I found a politician that didn’t stay in touch through blogging I would think they were a reactionary winger.

If sanford had been a twitter he could had felt all the “Where are you Gov?” twits from across the world.

297 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:00:45pm

re: #279 enigma3535

Calling said posture a failure at this moment is bordering on an adolescent-level reaction to lots of bad news and probably influenced by the Right in this country hammering Obama, mercilessly.

This one begs to ask what would be have been a more optimal plan for Obama to take?

To strongly imply that any calls for Obama to do more are inspired purely by partisanship is exactly the kind of partisanship you demean. Many ideas and suggestions of what should have or could have been done have been offered ever since this event happened should you have been reading.

If you’re truly awe-inspired by the recent actions of Obama, I am in awe of you. Worrying about supplying the mullahs fodder for their propaganda is clearly not seeing the forest for the trees.

298 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:00:50pm

re: #289 Gus 802

The weapon of choice for the Obama administration: rhetoric and the UN.

Jamming then a MK-48………

299 Pianobuff  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:01:35pm

I would wager that if Fox made Dinner Jacket a special correspondent we’d finally see some passion from Teh One on Iran.

300 Stuart Leviton  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:02:04pm

I just feel sick over this whole mess. My fear has been (and is) that The President will blunder his way into a terrible war.

I do believe Obama is learning on the job but that the time needed exceeds the time available. And that assumes Obama will be able to see past the naive idealism of the sixties, i.e. to realize the errors of Ayers and and the wrongs of Rev Wright.

But the many posts are getting me to see that not only is Obama not standing up for freedom but he is not even standing up for his own tack of reaching out with kind loving hand - I am not advocating the later.

Then again it was telling when Obama did not even publicly speak up about his replacement in the US Senate. There are some excellent candidates he could have supported. Instead, he ducked. What a quack!

301 jvic  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:02:40pm

re: #279 enigma3535

…This one begs to ask what would be have been a more optimal plan for Obama to take?…Obama’s level-headed, measured rhetoric has been awe-inspiring…

Sir or madam, you forgot the sarc tag.

302 gman  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:02:50pm
“I don’t take Mr. Ahmadinejad’s comments seriously, about apologies,” Obama said at a White House news conference with German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

Yesterday, Obama admitted to not taking Ahmadinejad seriously. Why would he suddenly be firm with someone he doesn’t take seriously? I think we all know where this is heading. Nowhere.

303 MarineMomSue  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:02:53pm

re: #62 Hengineer

OT: I’m not sure if anyone else pays attention to Soccer, or World Football, but the USA Men’s National Team plays Brazil in the FINAL match of the FIFA Confederations Cup Tomorrow, after upsetting Spain, the favored #1 Wednesday.

Hubby & I plan to watch the game. GO USA!

304 enigma3535  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:03:04pm

I voted for Bush in 2000 … “all blather?” … not perceiving events in reality … LOL … engage with something meaningful regarding this debate; pls.

305 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:03:05pm

re: #284 mich-again


The Mullahs and the Dinner Jacket are not worthy of any serious attempts at diplomacy. Make it clear that we will just wait until an honest leader emerges from the muck of the Islamic Kleptocracy and until then we will consider Iran a sworn enemy of the US and our interests.

But that would take balls. People who worry about how we might be used for propaganda don’t have that vision, sadly.

306 capitalist piglet  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:03:36pm

re: #279 enigma3535

IMHO, both the “Obama’s diplomatic initiative with Iran lies in ruins” and “its naïveté has never been more obvious” comments are not very intelligent at this time … time will tell regarding the efficacy of the posture that Obama has staked out regarding what is happening in Iran. Calling said posture a failure at this moment is bordering on an adolescent-level reaction to lots of bad news and probably influenced by the Right in this country hammering Obama, mercilessly.

This one begs to ask what would be have been a more optimal plan for Obama to take?

Feed the government of Iran with more fodder for their propaganda? This one thinks not. Obama’s level-headed, measured rhetoric has been awe-inspiring. A sentiment bolstered by dissident Iranians who have had a consensus view regarding Obama’s performance: “nearly, perfect” … and, IMHO, they know more about what is happening then any of us Americans [with or without an axe to grind] do.

Is your post sarcasm?

307 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:03:44pm

re: #279 enigma3535

Obama’s level-headed, measured rhetoric has been awe-inspiring. A sentiment bolstered by dissident Iranians who have had a consensus view regarding Obama’s performance:

could you back this up please?….I’m curious about this consensus

308 Gus  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:05:43pm

re: #298 jcm

Jamming then a MK-48………

Step 1 - Pablum
Step 2 - Blue Helmets

//

309 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:05:54pm

re: #304 enigma3535

I voted for Bush in 2000 … “all blather?” … not perceiving events in reality … LOL … engage with something meaningful regarding this debate; pls.

does anyone besides you feel that BO has been awe inspiring?….do you have some stuff we can look at?

310 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:06:02pm

re: #304 enigma3535

Likewise. You first.

311 pink freud  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:07:42pm

re: #309 albusteve

The hatch-out from May 3, May 4 has been very predictable.

312 itellu3times  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:10:21pm

re: #279 enigma3535

Obama’s level-headed, measured rhetoric has been awe-inspiring. A sentiment bolstered by dissident Iranians who have had a consensus view regarding Obama’s performance: “nearly, perfect” .

In this case, a few words and doing nothing were the perfect strategy, and Obambi was just the man for the job.

313 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:10:24pm

re: #279 enigma3535

by what measure can you convince me that BOs strategy is not in ruins…as in like, how can it be otherwise?…they did not unclench their fist, they mocked him for his Cairo speech, they have bitchslapped him and told him to butt out of their affairs….how is it otherwise?

314 Gus  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:11:17pm

re: #311 pink freud

The hatch-out from May 3, May 4 has been very predictable.

Google it and you’ll see something more.

315 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:12:15pm

re: #311 pink freud

The hatch-out from May 3, May 4 has been very predictable.

re: #311 pink freud

The hatch-out from May 3, May 4 has been very predictable.

seems a little slow to respond…maybe he’s peeing and will be back…I do that sometimes

316 itellu3times  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:14:37pm

re: #313 albusteve

by what measure can you convince me that BOs strategy is not in ruins…as in like, how can it be otherwise?…they did not unclench their fist, they mocked him for his Cairo speech, they have bitchslapped him and told him to butt out of their affairs….how is it otherwise?

Let me answer that in theory. The approach Obama is pursuing is not his alone, it’s of a generic type, and consists of letting the correspondent rant and rave all they like, but attempt dialog with it anyway, under the hope and assumption that most of the noise is just bluster and not exhaustive of content, and even that you might talk through the noise to the real powers behind it.

Likely to work? Probably not. Reality-based? Arguable.

FWIW

317 austin_blue  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:16:36pm

re: #279 enigma3535

IMHO, both the “Obama’s diplomatic initiative with Iran lies in ruins” and “its naïveté has never been more obvious” comments are not very intelligent at this time … time will tell regarding the efficacy of the posture that Obama has staked out regarding what is happening in Iran. Calling said posture a failure at this moment is bordering on an adolescent-level reaction to lots of bad news and probably influenced by the Right in this country hammering Obama, mercilessly.

This one begs to ask what would be have been a more optimal plan for Obama to take?

Feed the government of Iran with more fodder for their propaganda? This one thinks not. Obama’s level-headed, measured rhetoric has been awe-inspiring. A sentiment bolstered by dissident Iranians who have had a consensus view regarding Obama’s performance: “nearly, perfect” … and, IMHO, they know more about what is happening then any of us Americans [with or without an axe to grind] do.

Awe inspiring? Lincoln at Gettysburg was awe inspiring. Obama’s response has been, at best, competent.

Easy on the kool-aid, there.

318 horse  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:16:38pm

Regardless of President Obama’s approach to Iran going forward, we can expect the same results he has accomplished in his prior positions of responsibility……. (crickets chirping)….

319 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:17:30pm

re: #316 itellu3times

Let me answer that in theory. The approach Obama is pursuing is not his alone, it’s of a generic type, and consists of letting the correspondent rant and rave all they like, but attempt dialog with it anyway, under the hope and assumption that most of the noise is just bluster and not exhaustive of content, and even that you might talk through the noise to the real powers behind it.

Likely to work? Probably not. Reality-based? Arguable.

FWIW

well that is certainly awe inspiring and nearly brilliant….I’m bummed to know my merciless hammering of BO led to so many deaths in Iran…that pretty uncool

320 pink freud  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:18:22pm

re: #314 Gus 802

No surprise there, eh?

321 Gus  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:19:39pm

re: #320 pink freud

No surprise there, eh?

None. I’m going by the uniqueness of the name of course. But there it was: Daily Show, Daily Kos, Huffington Post, etc.

322 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:21:13pm

re: #317 austin_blue

Awe inspiring? Lincoln at Gettysburg was awe inspiring. Obama’s response has been, at best, competent tepid.

That’s better.

323 pink freud  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:21:58pm

re: #321 Gus 802

None. I’m going by the uniqueness of the name of course. But there it was: Daily Show, Daily Kos, Huffington Post, etc.

Thinkprogress.

324 Gus  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:23:20pm

re: #323 pink freud

Thinkprogress.

Forgot about that one.

325 Alan Furman  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:24:27pm

re: #239 jorline

For the first time in my life, I feel like the “American Dream” is disappearing.

When I started my company two years ago I was full of hope and energy. Now I don’t know what the future holds…is it worth the risk…why should I grow?

If your expansion fails, all the time, money, and stress incurred in the process is your loss. If it succeeds, the additional profit is taxed at the marginal rate (not the average rate). The higher this rate, the greater the number of entrepreneurs who rationally conclude that there is no point to expanding — and jobs do not get created. The resulting labor surplus means poorer wages, benefits, and conditions for the jobs that do exist.

This is all you need to know about the effect of taxation on the economic prospects of working people.

326 nyc redneck  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:24:47pm

o has shown the world, he is a terrible judge of human nature.
a foolish man w/ no understanding of what is appropriate in dangerous situations.
he has weakened america and is making the world a very unstable place.
he has no idea what leadership is. all he knows is self aggrandizement.
pretending to be a messiah, when he is only a buffoon
it has to blow up in his face.

327 Gus  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:25:01pm

re: #322 BigPapa

That’s better.

Awe inspiring? Lincoln at Gettysburg was awe inspiring. Obama’s response has been, at best, competent tepid flaccid.

Even better. ;)

328 poteen  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:26:22pm

re: #304 enigma3535

Bold talk or measured rhetoric really don’t matter if there is no action to back it up.

We will see, eventually, what action if any Obama has taken. If he does nothing to destabilize the present regime, to limit their influence outside their borders, then he will have missed a golden opportunity.

329 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:31:01pm

re: #279 enigma3535

Obama’s level-headed, measured rhetoric has been awe-inspiring.

People are being murdered, beaten, and riot police are attacking otherwise peaceful crowds. It seems that all that anybody wants is level headed measured rhetoric, despite it’s effectiveness or outcome. As if, all that’s important is the rhetoric, and not the results.

330 nyc redneck  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:40:19pm

here’s the irony, o thought he, w/ his grand intellect and charismatic personality,
would dictate the terms and set the tone for all world events.

he has been tripped up at the starting block by a shit slinging monkey who couldn’t care less abt. o or his hope -n- change bull crap,
and certainly doesn’t see him as a ‘god’.

331 poteen  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:44:07pm

I HOPE he doesn’t miss the chance for CHANGE in the Middle East.

332 enigma3535  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:58:10pm

IMHO, it appears to be given that a pragmatic, centrist on this message board cannot [and will not] have any chance to keep pace with the vitriol against this one … I will simply leave you denizens with a couple of thoughts.

One can have wicked smart people leading this country, or one cannot. One can have partisan views regarding the future of this country, or one cannot.

Personally, I’d choose to have wicked smart, non-partisan leadership.

Leadership that is competent and non-partisan. Leadership that chooses their executive leaders based on competency; not loyalty.

IMHO, many of you would agree but …

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his livelihood depends upon his not understanding it.”
- Upton Sinclair

The fact that most of you poster’s livelihood is best served by progressive ideas, and that you are [IMHO] twisted into your belief structure by right-wing propaganda, is mind numbing to this one.

… end.

333 MarineMomSue  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:06:23pm

re: #239 jorline

For the first time in my life, I feel like the “American Dream” is disappearing.

When I started my company two years ago I was full of hope and energy. Now I don’t know what the future holds…is it worth the risk…why should I grow?

How sad to even have to think such a thing in America.

If your company is not among those that the zero-thugs consider to be in the ‘correct business’, you won’t be allowed to grow.

334 poteen  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:06:37pm

re: #332 enigma3535

Obama came through Chicago politics. He is neither a wicked smart nor non-partisan leader. He’s got 4 to 8 years to get something accomplished in foreign policy. Domestic policy is on Congress. His first test is Iran. Check back in 6 months and lets see how he did.
Your adulation can’t help him.

335 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:10:20pm

I’m think we are all thankful that these potential talks are being derailed so well before they occur.
If Obama did sit down with Ahmadinejad and talk, who knows what mischief the chief might get into?
I, for one, am grateful.

*I haven’t read any of this thread yet.

336 sagehen  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:17:16pm

re: #332 enigma3535


One can have wicked smart people leading this country, or one cannot. One can have partisan views regarding the future of this country, or one cannot.

One can make lofty pronouncements in passive voice subjunctive, or one can advance arguments in declarative sentences with first person pronoun.

I believe the latter to be more conversational, and more like to lead to a constructive exchange of ideas.

337 MarineMomSue  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:18:33pm

re: #271 Earth56

Don’t worry..there will be sightings of him in Boonesboro, Kentucky pumping gas

in peek into the future:
That MJ sighting is a hoax! After cap & trade passed, all those gas stations were forced to close… nobody can afford gas anymore.

338 kynna  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:26:27pm
The question is, will he just carry on with his plans for talks with Iran as if the protests and murders had never happened?

My guess is — yes, he will. And I don’t think anyone in the MSM or Democratic party or anywhere on the left will question that pursuit. The protests, murders, torture and tyranny will be a thing of the past (even as they’re are ongoing).

That’s my prediction, sad as it is. I’m not seeing anything that even hints at anything different from what he’s been stubbornly latched onto from the beginning of this fiasco of a foreign policy. And I see no end to the honeymoon, especially with 2010 coming faster than anyone on the Democrat side wants.

They don’t have to worry, though. It’s not like the GOP has a clue how to go forward and win back congress.

339 kynna  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:27:57pm

re: #332 enigma3535

IMHO, it appears to be given that a pragmatic, centrist on this message board cannot [and will not] have any chance to keep pace with the vitriol against this one … I will simply leave you denizens with a couple of thoughts.

One can have wicked smart people leading this country, or one cannot. One can have partisan views regarding the future of this country, or one cannot.

Personally, I’d choose to have wicked smart, non-partisan leadership.

Leadership that is competent and non-partisan. Leadership that chooses their executive leaders based on competency; not loyalty.

IMHO, many of you would agree but …

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his livelihood depends upon his not understanding it.”
- Upton Sinclair

The fact that most of you poster’s livelihood is best served by progressive ideas, and that you are [IMHO] twisted into your belief structure by right-wing propaganda, is mind numbing to this one.

… end.

I agree. Your mind is numb.

340 satan sidekick  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:32:22pm

re: #239 jorline
Funny you should say that. I’ve owned my business for 15 years and it’s doing worse than ever. I told my employees that all we need to worry about right now is to save our jobs. We can’t afford to hire any new people, purchase of equipment, or have raises or bonuses, etc. Forget everything else. My business was doing great until the Paulsen announcement last Sept. and practically overnight it went to hell in a handbasket. We’re in survival mode and the value of my business has been cut in half. All this work and sacrifice was supposed to afford me a decent retirement. Now I will be lucky if I can avoid filing bankruptcy.

Where’s the money BO?

341 satan sidekick  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:35:57pm

re: #250 capitalist piglet

I don’t feel very secure either. I remember the Carter years very well as I’m in my late 50s and was married with two small kids at that time. I was angry for how Carter allowed our people to be held hostage and how he enabled the Isalmic revolution to unfold to the problems we have today in the world. Not to mention the double digit interest rates and every other stupid thing that went on.

342 Alan Furman  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:45:58pm

re: #332 enigma3535

[…] One can have wicked smart people leading this country, or one cannot.

Timothy Geithner.

Self-employment tax.

Discuss.

[…] The fact that most of you poster’s livelihood is best served by progressive ideas, and that you are [IMHO] twisted into your belief structure by right-wing propaganda, is mind numbing to this one.

How non-partisan of you to say that.

343 bullskin  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:51:56pm

It’s 22:45 here and the 0ne remains silent. The fucking bureaucratic Europe remains silent (except Aznar). Russians as usual, China, an every ‘freedom’ lovers ditto.

And now?. That people with real balls in Iran are watching us also. What the hell are they seeing?.

An accomplice silence.

344 satan sidekick  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:01:18pm

re: #343 bullskin

It takes time to prepare the teleprompter.

345 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:44:43pm

I think Ahmadinejad has just overplayed his hand. He has relied a lot on superficial sympathies from the poor worldwide who feel a need to blame and hate the USA. This crackdown will probably cost him a lot of support worldwide, with only the truly demented like Hugo Chavez still carrying his water. If Obama keeps above the fray, I think he has a real shot of letting Ahmadinejad continue to hang himself as the 40-day martyr mourning period passes. Obama is still very popular in the region and if he doesn’t alienate himself form those sympathies, this could get ugly for the Iranian Government quickly with the loss of regional support. Iran’s protesters now have Neda, their public martyr broadcast all over the world on You Tube, killed by the Mullah’s and Ahmadinejad’s thugs for all to see. The 1979 Revolution took a year to complete. I think Iranians could parade the Mullahs and Ahmadinejad’s ugly, evil heads on a stick within a year.

346 Alone in NY  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:07:59pm

Its time to break out the old (for LGF) saw. It might be helpful for the Obama Administration though.

Airmail for President Ahm-A-DinnerJacket:

Ka-Boom!

347 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:08:20pm

re: #345 rockeid

It ultimately leads to failure to pursue popularity per your assessment of Obama’s reputation in the region. The regular people there will remember that he did not speak out on their behalf. If they triumph, as you hope within a year, they will resent our not-even-verbal support.

348 Clubsec  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:27:25pm

Wow so many views my head is palpitating.
Way back i caught the JCM link to the … ‘tucking fool’ … and as soon as the name Geo. Galloway popped up i hit the red X … no time to suffer fools. Now, with Galloway … has ANYONE made the connection and FOLLOWED THE MONEY? Do the Brits give a damn? The twit should be a societal leper? (apologies to the medical lepers of the world, i use it as a behavioral phrase.)
And, for the Mandy vid damn? And, for the Mandy vid … wow Biden … again SloJoe from Delaware. Another carpetbagger pol. The Secret Service has never worked so hard for the country. And after THAT dumbshit we have Pelosi … another carpetbagging pol from Baltimore who copulated her way thru the Kalifornia conferences. Between Biden and Pelosi a sitting president couldn’t ask for more robust life insurance policy riders.
With these three at the front (note I don’t say lead) the poor bastards in Iran are going to be eating crap sandwiches for another generation.
And without a means for self defense they will be crushed again when the next generation rises up.
So we are left with these kinds of floating turds from ObamUH. Pay attention lizards:
“Too much work left undone. After a few sleepless nights, I wrote for myself a list of issues on which I needed to do more in the years ahead. One of those issues was global regulation of small arms.” — Harold Hongju Koh
Harold Koh is a first class gun grabber, and he was confirmed yesterday to be the Legal Adviser at the State Department.
The back-stabbing Senators are: Lamar Alexander (R-TN), Susan Collins (R-ME), Judd Gregg (R-NH), Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Richard Lugar (R-IN), Mel Martinez (R-FL), Olympia Snowe (R-ME) and George Voinovich (R-OH).
And another piece of shit legislation that NO ONE HAS READ passing in the House; the Taxman and Malarky … Slap and Fade legislation (that must be dealt a death blow in the Senate).
ObamUH knows a full court press and it is going hammer and tongs as we speak. Hope & Change is a mantra to destroy this country.

OK … I’m done.

349 Macker  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:54:58pm

re: #0 Charles

The question is, will he just carry on with his plans for talks with Iran as if the protests and murders had never happened?

Да, comrades.

350 Sam N  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:33:05pm

I’m not convinced that Obama was ever naïve about the fact that direct dialog was reasonably likely to fail, and I like the approach in that it has exposed the depravity of Iran’s current regime very clearly.

I was against military strikes against Iran until Ahmedinejad’s latest rants, in which he made completely baseless accusations of American interference. Now I am a supporter of American interference. It is for this reason I view Obama’s strategy as a win—he’s bringing more people on board with a tougher stance against Iran. It’s not like a strong statement in support of the protesters or a declaration of vote fraud by the president would have helped the reform movement, anyway.

And just to be clear, it’s not the Iranian government’s response to the protests that shifted my views, it is Ahmedinejad’s response to Obama’s non-combative gestures. We support plenty of disgusting regimes in the world, but most of those regimes would respond to US pressure opposing a nuclear program. The Iranian government is simply exposing itself as another North Korea, which should have been given an ultimatum a decade ago.

351 Flavia  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:49:47pm

re: #273 BigPapa

How so? Suppose it’s to paint Achmedinejad as the crazy and Obama as the rationed one, and it works. What next?

Then Obama won’t have as much work to do convincing other nations to go in with him if/when anyone is forced to deal permanently with Iran.


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