@spdT=B6B42829136845A69B19">Public Policy Polling has released a new survey of Virginians (PDF), showing that Barack Obama’s approval rating is dropping — but also that Virginia Republicans are overwhelmingly in thrall to the Birther madness.
A majority of Virginians who voted for McCain (36%) said they don’t believe Barack Obama was born in the US, and 68% answered either “No” or “Not sure.”
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Ojoe Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:40:30am |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:41:20am |
Virginia Democratic party dominated by leftists.
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Ojoe Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:43:22am |
A viable new party would make complete hash out of all the gerrymandered districts by the way.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:44:14am |
This reminds me of a joke:
Akhmed bin Kamel arrives in paradise after having just pulled the detonator on hi ssuicde vest and he’s waiting in a room. Suddenly in walks George Washington who uses his 6′4 height to wallop Akhmed on the head and then turns to leave.
still stunned, a moment later in walks Thomas Jefferson who delivers a solid right cross to Akhmed leaving him with a black eye…
Then in comes James Madison with his diminutive stature to deliver a swift kick to Akhmed’s cajones.. laying on the floor,coughing up a vital organ or three, Akhmed begs to Mohammed- “Prophet! Why are these dead Americans coming to abuse me?! where are my 72 Virgins??”
A voice comes from nowhere filling the room… Virgins? You misread, Akhmed.. it is 72 Virginians!
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wrenchwench Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:44:15am |
re: #1 Ojoe
Both major parties are nuts.
Time for a new party.
I’m almost there. But building a new party is a decades-long job, whereas I think remaking the Repubs could be merely a years-long job. The question is how many years.
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Ojoe Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:44:53am |
No more “safe” districts leading to a soporific electorate, with the corollary that the congress gets to run the country into the ground as if it were their private little thing.
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wahabicorridor Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:45:25am |
A majority of Virginians who voted for McCain (36%) said they don’t believe Barack Obama was born in the US,
Um, is ‘majority’ the correct term? Wouldn’t it ‘plurality’?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:45:41am |
re: #3 Ojoe
A viable new party would make complete hash out of all the gerrymandered districts by the way.
I’m not so sure. These numbers are pretty depressing. I don’t think there are enough rational conservatives to make up a right leaning rational party. The numbers just aren’t there (yet).
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S'latch Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:46:40am |
20% of those who voted for Obama answered either “No” or “Not sure?”
This should tell you something about the meaning of this poll.
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Dianna Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:46:41am |
re: #6 Ojoe
No more “safe” districts leading to a soporific electorate, with the corollary that the congress gets to run the country into the ground as if it were their private little thing.
One very small point - exciting politics generally means that a very bad time is about to be had by all.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:46:48am |
Now, where could they have gotten that idea from?
Moreover, how does that nirther nonsense curtail Obama’s program agenda since the Democrats can and will exploit it going into 2010. I know I would.
The nirtherism is a symptom - the problem is figuring out the cause, and then applying the cure. The COLB, and all the other proof of Obama’s citizenship is insufficient, so that means that there’s something else at work here.
It’s equivalent of a 2-year old putting their fingers in his ears and shouting lalalalalala at the top of his voice.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:46:57am |
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JohnnyReb Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:47:06am |
I think it is odd that 20% of the people who did vote for Obama either think he was not born in the US or are not sure.
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Ojoe Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:47:09am |
re: #5 wrenchwench
I talk to people on the street and most all agree that each major party does not have the real interest of the country at heart, and if I say “we need a new center party” I get almost complete agreement.
Even in California.
Maybe I’m just a convincing conversationalist though.
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John Neverbend Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:47:37am |
re: #7 wahabicorridor
Um, is ‘majority’ the correct term? Wouldn’t it ‘plurality’?
I wonder if the 8% of Obama voters who believe he was not born in the US held that belief at the time of the elections. If that’s the case, why did they actually vote for him to enter an office whose requirement is that was born in the US?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:47:45am |
re: #4 Mad Al-Jaffee
This reminds me of a joke:
Akhmed bin Kamel arrives in paradise after having just pulled the detonator on hi ssuicde vest and he’s waiting in a room. Suddenly in walks George Washington who uses his 6′4 height to wallop Akhmed on the head and then turns to leave.
still stunned, a moment later in walks Thomas Jefferson who delivers a solid right cross to Akhmed leaving him with a black eye…
Then in comes James Madison with his diminutive stature to deliver a swift kick to Akhmed’s cajones.. laying on the floor,coughing up a vital organ or three, Akhmed begs to Mohammed- “Prophet! Why are these dead Americans coming to abuse me?! where are my 72 Virgins??”
A voice comes from nowhere filling the room… Virgins? You misread, Akhmed.. it is 72 Virginians!
did someone mention Achmed:
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Ojoe Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:47:49am |
re: #11 Dianna
Yes. Real politics would be taking care of business and that is not usually exciting.
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KingKenrod Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:48:13am |
I wouldn’t be surprised if a not-insignificant percentage of GOP voters believe Obama is the muslim Manchurian candidate.
Biased people will believe the worst things about their enemies without proof. The Left does it with Bush & Cheney.
But conservatives have to be more careful because anything nutty quickly becomes the national joke.
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John Neverbend Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:48:33am |
re: #19 John Neverbend
I wonder if the 8% of Obama voters who believe he was not born in the US held that belief at the time of the elections. If that’s the case, why did they actually vote for him to enter an office whose requirement is that was born in the US?
Sorry missed post 16 to which my note is a sort of corollary.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:48:34am |
re: #3 Ojoe
A viable new party would make complete hash out of all the gerrymandered districts by the way.
Yes, do you know of one?
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doppelganglander Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:48:42am |
20% of Obama voters said no or not sure. 55% of those who voted for someone else, or can’t remember who they voted for, also said no or not sure.
1. You voted for the guy but you aren’t sure he was born in the U.S.?
2. It’s only been nine months and you can’t remember who you voted for?
3. I’ve spent a lot of time in VA and I have family there, and I cannot believe Virginians are this dumb.
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Ojoe Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:49:39am |
re: #25 Walter L. Newton
If I had a forward looking time periscope I would tell you its name, I am certain one is coming.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:49:45am |
Wow.
A Nirthblogger who redefines crazy:
[Link: usapatriots-shout.blogspot.com…]
(Google cache link.)
Featuring this video: Obama Poisoned His Grandmother.
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opnion Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:50:53am |
re: #2 Walter L. Newton
Virginia Democratic party dominated by leftists.
I would like to see a poll nationwide of what % of Democrats think that 9/11 was an inside job.
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itellu3times Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:50:59am |
So 49% of the country thinks Obama is the Chocolate Jesus, and something like 24% think he’s the sekrit muslim. Nuts still rolling to the left, it seems to me.
Remainder may be wise to commit to nothing.
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John Neverbend Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:51:05am |
You say Hawaii,
I say Nairobi,
Let’s call the whole thing off.
(Apologies to George and Ira Gershwin).
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:51:31am |
re: #10 Lawrence Schmerel
Page 10 has party breakdown, and it notes that 26% of Democrats were no/not sure.
GOP was 68% no/not sure, and Independents were 46% no/not sure.
I suspect that the more this meme is out there, the more people start to question things - rightly or wrongly.
As if there isn’t enough to already question about Obama’s policy choices.
There’s more than enough fodder to last a lifetime…
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wrenchwench Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:53:12am |
re: #17 Ojoe
Maybe I’m just a convincing conversationalist though.
convincing conversationalist=grassroots political worker
That’s what it takes.
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jcm Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:53:17am |
re: #30 opnion
I would like to see a poll nationwide of what % of Democrats think that 9/11 was an inside job.
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Jetpilot1101 Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:53:22am |
re: #34 Born Again Republican
I’m beginning to think Charles’ has an agenda. Make Republicans look like kooks.
I think you are 110% wrong sir.
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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:53:23am |
IMO this whole GOP nirther controversy will play out in time short as inconsequential. This man Øbama can’t help himself and can’t hide from the folks. He proves his socialist tendencies daily.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:53:35am |
re: #23 jcm
Nirthers.
Picture this.
President Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr.
He certainly couldn’t be any worse and very likely an improvement since he would be too busy tasting foot to be effective.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:53:58am |
re: #26 doppelganglander
More significant is that twice as many whites as blacks think Obama isn’t a citizen. Ditto for those who listed race as other.
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Dianna Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:54:24am |
re: #22 KingKenrod
Except that this particular nuttiness ought to be a joke. Bill Whittle suggested that, whenever we encounter a Troofer, we point and laugh.
I think this needs to be applied to Nirthers.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:54:29am |
re: #34 Born Again Republican
He’s only pointing out the real agenda, the GOP making asses of the party all by themselves.
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tradewind Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:54:39am |
re: #37 jcm
And a poll of what percentage of Democrats still believe that George W stole the 2000 election. Bet it’s at least as high as the percentage of birthers.
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JustABill Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:54:47am |
re: #23 jcm
Nirthers.
Picture this.
President Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr.
Seriously, Robinette? I thought that name was just made up for the “Gateway” books.
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VegasRick Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:54:51am |
2008 Vote - Someone else/don’t remember? What is that?
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WinterCat Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:54:52am |
re: #34 Born Again Republican
I’m beginning to think Charles’ has an agenda. Make Republicans look like kooks.
Frankly, I don’t think the Republicans need any help in that arena.
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slterry40 Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:55:01am |
I think Obama isn’t releasing specific documents, (eventhough Hawaii has provided more than enough proof) because he wants to feed this controversy. It is the best thing he has going right now. I want to see his college records, not because I think it will reveal he applied as a foreign student, but rather to see the classes he took and how he did. But he knows his refusal to release this stuff feeds the nirther beast, which is exactly what he wants. Marginalizing your adversary is just good Chicago politics.
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FrogMarch Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:55:47am |
I’m not excusing the birther madness at all. I want it to stop. But I wonder what percentage of Democrats were 9/11 troofers?
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itellu3times Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:55:53am |
re: #37 jcm
I would like to see a poll nationwide of what % of Democrats think that 9/11 was an inside job.
So, it is like, required now that everyone believe in something crazy?
Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.
/red queen
//no, not nancy pelosi
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jcm Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:56:19am |
re: #34 Born Again Republican
I’m beginning to think Charles’ has an agenda. Make Republicans look like kooks.
The (R)s unfortunately are doing that just fine without Charles helping them.
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Jack Burton Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:56:38am |
re: #23 jcm
Nirthers.
Picture this.
President Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr.
That’s kind of what I was saying in 98 during the impeachment of Bubba:
“Why do you want Al Gore to be president so bad?”
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tradewind Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:57:09am |
re: #41 lawhawk
Wonder how that correlates with the percentage of African Americans who voted for Obama vs those who voted for McCain?
/slight sarc alert/
If the nirth certifiket surge positively correlates with the drop in BHO’s poll numbers, then it doesn’t bother me as much, somehow. We’ll take it however we can get it.
/another slight sarc alert/
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Raven1 Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:57:14am |
Was Obama a student in any of Professor Gate’s classes? That would go right along with 20 years in Rev. Wright’s hate whitey church.
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itellu3times Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:57:27am |
re: #45 tradewind
And a poll of what percentage of Democrats still believe that George W stole the 2000 election. Bet it’s at least as high as the percentage of birthers.
Yep, and that we invaded Iraq (a) for the oil (well, partial truth there!), and/or (b) to save Daddy Bush’s nuts, and/or (c) it was all planned before 9/11.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:57:52am |
re: #34 Born Again Republican
You need a better flounce if you want to make an impact with Stinky, you know.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:58:09am |
Allow me to say again.
With all the various issues, agendas, statements and decisions which could serve as legitmate arguements to attack Obama and his presidency, THIS is what you choose to go with?
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:58:18am |
re: #10 Lawrence Schmerel
20% of those who voted for Obama answered either “No” or “Not sure?”
This should tell you something about the meaning of this poll.
It could also suggest that 20% of VA Democrats don’t know what the constitutional requirements are for president, which is entirely believable.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:58:30am |
re: #34 Born Again Republican
I’m beginning to think Charles’ has an agenda. Make Republicans look like kooks.
You caught me. You have seen through my facade. Exposed my inner fascist leftist sekrit agenda. I thought I was tricking you, but you’re too sharp for me.
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MikeAlv77 Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:58:31am |
All this proves to me that maybe we should have to take a civics test to vote. If you are informed and your neighbor is a complete moron who believes the moon landing was faked, both your votes matter.
Don’t know if a test wold be legal / moral, etc… but sometimes when I talk to people and see the ignorance…
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cronus Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:58:32am |
Virginia is really two states. Northern VA and the rest. Would have been nice to see the responses broken down that way.
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avanti Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:58:40am |
re: #29 Charles
Wow.
A Nirthblogger who redefines crazy:
The Republicans in congress could add a request for grandma’s hair samples to the birth certificate bill.
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Wendya Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:58:46am |
re: #30 opnion
I would like to see a poll nationwide of what % of Democrats think that 9/11 was an inside job.
There were several polls commissioned:
Democrats in America are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure.
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com…]
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opnion Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:59:04am |
re: #37 jcm
Ask & you shall recieve , thank you.
That is a stunning amount of Democrats that believe that Bush had prior knowledge of 9/11 & did nothing.
In effect they believe that the President of the United States stood by & allowed 3,000 people to be slaughtered.
Lots of nuts reside on the Left.
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itellu3times Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:59:05am |
re: #41 lawhawk
More significant is that twice as many whites as blacks think Obama isn’t a citizen. Ditto for those who listed race as other.
Sure, but maybe they should also ask, do you believe that everyone in the world is a US citizen? Probably pull about 30% yes, 25% not sure, at least among dems.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:59:47am |
re: #62 Charles
You caught me. You have seen through my facade. Exposed my inner fascist leftist sekrit agenda. I thought I was tricking you, but you’re too sharp for me.
Now THAT is sarcasm! ;)
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Dianna Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:59:58am |
re: #62 Charles
You caught me. You have seen through my facade. Exposed my inner fascist leftist sekrit agenda. I thought I was tricking you, but you’re too sharp for me.
You couldn’t possibly make the letters drip with acid, could you?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:59:59am |
re: #34 Born Again Republican
I’m beginning to think Charles’ has an agenda. Make Republicans look like kooks.
And you don’t think that certain conservatives are doing a good job of that on their own? Or is it Charles’ fault that they are nuts?
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tradewind Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:00:11pm |
re: #61 Shiplord Kirel
It could also suggest that 20% of VA Democrats don’t know what the constitutional requirements are for president, which is entirely believable.
Oh, I’d bet that the percentage is quite a bit higher. Right up there with asking them to name one sitting SCOTUS justice.
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doppelganglander Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:00:18pm |
re: #55 ArchangelMichael
That’s kind of what I was saying in 98 during the impeachment of Bubba:
“Why do you want Al Gore to be president so bad?”
That’s what finally made me realize that as much as I hated Bubba, I did not want him removed from office. If that had happened, Algore would have become president and almost certainly would have been re-elected in 2000. And then where would we be?
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Son of the Black Dog Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:00:20pm |
re: #23 jcm
Nirthers.
Picture this.
President Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr.
I’d accept ignorance over malevolence.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:00:34pm |
re: #68 itellu3times
Sure, but maybe they should also ask, do you believe that everyone in the world is a US citizen? Probably pull about 30% yes, 25% not sure, at least among dems.
Very easily could. I knew a college student who knew there were foreign countries but thought the US had the only national military force in the world.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:00:37pm |
re: #37 jcm
There is a difference between thinking that Bush had advance notice of some sort of terrorist threat and thinking that bush ordered 9/11 attacks.
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JustABill Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:00:38pm |
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Ben Hur Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:00:46pm |
I predict that this WON’T be on the answers list when polled “What concerns you the most?” during the next election.
If abortion never makes the top of the list, this won’t.
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Raven1 Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:00:53pm |
The way I see it, politics is like a can of mixed nuts. The left are the bigger nuts, and the right are the smaller nuts.
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avanti Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:01:04pm |
re: #34 Born Again Republican
I’m beginning to think Charles’ has an agenda. Make Republicans look like kooks.
Some Republicans are kooks, and damaging the rest, Charles is just exposing them.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:01:22pm |
re: #62 Charles
You caught me. You have seen through my facade. Exposed my inner fascist leftist sekrit agenda. I thought I was tricking you, but you’re too sharp for me.
Charles, are the rumors that you took over Col Sanders seat on the Pentaverate true? Enquiring minds want to know.
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Dianna Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:01:58pm |
re: #72 tradewind
Oh, I’d bet that the percentage is quite a bit higher. Right up there with asking them to name one sitting SCOTUS justice.
My only problem with that is that polls taken back in the 20’s and 30’s show exactly the same ignorance.
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tradewind Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:02:05pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:02:41pm |
re: #34 Born Again Republican
Someone actually updinged this stupid. The updinger calls himself ‘slterry40’ and I say to him: If you feel that way, post so I can show you why you are wrong.
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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:02:47pm |
The GOP will survive Nirtherism just as the dems survived Trutherism. The GOP committed suicide just as the dems & Øbama are today.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:02:57pm |
re: #76 bloodstar
That’s just talking levels of crazy, because if Bush knew - he didn’t act to stop the attacks, which makes him culpable in the eyes of people who proffer such claims.
The crazy just swirls around the drain, getting more odious with every spin.
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Scion9 Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:02:57pm |
re: #74 Son of the Black Dog
I’d accept ignorance over malevolence.
Might want to read up on Biden’s record then. Would you rather have Ted Kennedy or John Kerry in the White House than Obama based solely on their politics? Hardly any difference between them and Biden, imo.
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Wendya Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:03:11pm |
re: #67 opnion
Ask & you shall recieve , thank you.
That is a stunning amount of Democrats that believe that Bush had prior knowledge of 9/11 & did nothing.
In effect they believe that the President of the United States stood by & allowed 3,000 people to be slaughtered.
Lots of nuts reside on the Left.
There are a lot of gullible people in any given population who are willing to believe almost anything. It’s not a “republican” thing or a “democrat” thing or even an American thing. People who are feigning shock and outrage over this really shouldn’t be that surprised.
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Idle Drifter Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:03:14pm |
What else is there more to say?
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VegasRick Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:03:22pm |
re: #65 avanti
The Republicans in congress could add a request for grandma’s hair samples to the birth certificate bill.
I missed the Republicans in Congress part.
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tradewind Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:03:42pm |
re: #83 Dianna
There were polls taken back in the ‘20’s and 30’s?
Love to see those methods.
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S'latch Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:03:54pm |
re: #61 Shiplord Kirel
I have no doubt that more than 20% of VA Democrats would not be able to tell you the constitutional requirements for the presidency. Also, many VA Republicans would fail that quiz.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:03:57pm |
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:04:08pm |
re: #76 bloodstar
There is a difference between thinking that Bush had advance notice of some sort of terrorist threat and thinking that bush ordered 9/11 attacks.
Ugh, Replying to myself,
Ok, The idea that Bush had knowledge of the 9/11 attacks specifically is dumb dumb dumb, and the Demoncrats who think that should get beaten.
Next time remind me to RTFA *sigh*
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Dianna Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:04:47pm |
re: #92 tradewind
There were polls taken back in the ‘20’s and 30’s?
Love to see those methods.
I believe they were much less scientific, more like Leno’s street interviews.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:05:05pm |
re: #86 unrealizedviewpoint
The GOP will survive Nirtherism just as the dems survived Trutherism. The GOP committed suicide just as the dems & Øbama are today.
The Dems didn’t survive Troofers … they positively flourished. Troof and BDS go hand in hand, just as Nirth is usually accompanied by high-grade ODS.
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Scion9 Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:05:14pm |
re: #97 buzzsawmonkey
Don’t forget to watch the Wednesday night ‘Ghost Hunters’ marathon. It will help with that.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:05:34pm |
re: #72 tradewind
Oh, I’d bet that the percentage is quite a bit higher. Right up there with asking them to name one sitting SCOTUS justice.
Indeed, the Dems who don’t believe he was born here would be only a fraction of the total who are unaware of the citizenship requirement. The rest would think he was born here but that it doesn’t matter.
Many of them can’t help but hear of the nirther craze, but they may just dismiss it as some kind of bigoted nativist effort to discredit an immigrant who made good.
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avanti Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:05:36pm |
re: #76 bloodstar
There is a difference between thinking that Bush had advance notice of some sort of terrorist threat and thinking that bush ordered 9/11 attacks.
Nate Silver makes this comment on a nirthers article.
“However, I don’t buy that the two phenomena are entirely equivalent. For one, there are some quantitative differences. In the Research 2000 poll, only 7 percent of Democrats have doubts about Barack Obama’s origins. That compares, in the Rasmussen poll, to 26 percent of Republicans who had doubts about George Bush’s role in 9/11, and 43 percent who had doubts about whether the CIA had advanced knowledge of the attacks. Trutherism is pathetically widespread — somewhat more so than birtherism — and is also somewhat more “bipartisan” than its counterpart. By the way, I’d expect that you’d find a pretty wide overlap between the two groups — that controlling for party ID and other factors, truthers are much more likely to be birthers and vice versa.
The other difference is qualitative. I can’t recall any sitting Congressmen raising doubts about 9/11 (if I’ve forgotten one or two instances, I’m sure someone will remind me in the comments). On the other hand, quite a few Republican Congressmen have mimicked the birthers’ doubts about Obama’s place of origin. So, indeed, let’s not give Taitz any more facetime. Instead, let’s give Senators Jim Inhofe and Richard Shelby, and Represenatives John Campbell, Marsha Blackburn, Bill Posey, Roy Blunt and Dan Burton the ridicule they deserve for enabling these unpatriotic and malicious conspiracy theories. “
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Wendya Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:05:43pm |
re: #80 avanti
Some Republicans are kooks, and damaging the rest, Charles is just exposing them.
When the RNC lets the birthers write their platform, I’ll start to worry. Right now, I find it far more concerning that certain people are demanding ideological purity and groupthink out of the members of their party instead of getting out front and delivering their own message.
Chicken little wasn’t a democrat.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:05:49pm |
re: #77 JustABill
but, I didn’t see a /, how can it be asarcasm…
You’re just asking for the Piranha Bros. to pay you a visit
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Dianna Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:05:58pm |
re: #100 Scion9
Don’t forget to watch the Wednesday night ‘Ghost Hunters’ marathon. It will help with that.
I am afraid to ask, but I will: People think ‘Ghost Hunters’ is real?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:06:12pm |
re: #85 Dark_Falcon
Someone actually updinged this stupid. The updinger calls himself ‘slterry40’ and I say to him: If you feel that way, post so I can show you why you are wrong.
Stupid does tend to flock together. How else can you explain the Liberal bastions like, to give a few of examples, Seattle, Berkeley, and Daily Kos?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:06:27pm |
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Ben Hur Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:06:43pm |
Liberals’ birther obsession: It’s the left-wing, not the GOP, that’s pumping up the story
You could be forgiven for thinking that a serious campaign is afoot - aided and abetted by the national Republican Party - to question Barack Obama’s citizenship. Over the past two weeks, an inordinate amount of news coverage has been afforded to “birthers,” conspiracy theorists who claim that the President was not born in Hawaii, as his birth records indicate, but in Kenya.
It is not Obama’s right-wing opponents, however, who are devoting the most attention to this obscure, Internet-driven “movement,” if one can even use that label to describe such a paranoid groupuscule. Rather, it’s liberals, bent on portraying their conservative opponents as extremists - and changing the subject to help a President under increasing scrutiny for the substance of his policies - who are driving this story.
Making the rounds in the propagation of this meme is a deceptively edited video produced by far-left Web site FireDogLake, in which an interviewer chases Republican congressmen around the Capitol asking if they believe Obama is a natural-born citizen. Some respond in the affirmative while others ignore the questioner, and it is this latter handful that liberals have proffered as evidence that the GOP is “fearful” of disparaging its “birther base.”
But the refusal of Republican congressmen to answer questions from a Michael Moore wanna-be is understandable; public figures are frequently accosted on the street by crazy people and amateur propagandists wielding cameras. In fact, it was later revealed that one of the supposedly fearful Republicans running from the camera’s glare was a Democrat late for a vote.
Don’t tell that to the birther-obsessed left. “The video makes clear that the Republican Party is captive to their conspiracy theory-mongering base all the way up to the top,” wrote left-wing blogger Jane Hamsher. It shows no such thing of course, and Hamsher’s wildly irresponsible claim about “conspiracy theory-mongering” rising to the pinnacles of GOP power was flatly contradicted by House Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio, who said “No” when asked by a reporter if he had any questions about the circumstances of Obama’s birth.
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jcm Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:06:45pm |
re: #67 opnion
Ask & you shall recieve , thank you.
That is a stunning amount of Democrats that believe that Bush had prior knowledge of 9/11 & did nothing.
In effect they believe that the President of the United States stood by & allowed 3,000 people to be slaughtered.
Lots of nuts reside on the Left.
Lot’s of people believe strange stuff.
You want a scary one?
Where does the government get its money anyway?
While 65 percent understand the government’s money is their taxpayer dollars at work, some 24 percent think the federal government has “plenty of its own money without using taxpayer dollars.”
¼ of REGISTERED VOTERS think the government has it’s own money.
Is it any wonder they vote for candidates who promise womb to tomb nanny state?
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Born Again Republican Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:06:48pm |
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Scion9 Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:06:49pm |
re: #98 Dianna
I thought that the first scientific political poll was the “Dewey defeats Truman!” one. I doubt it was the first scientific poll period though.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:07:05pm |
re: #45 tradewind
And a poll of what percentage of Democrats still believe that George W stole the
2000 election2000 and 2004 elections. Bet it’s at least as high as the percentage of birthers.
There are idiots who think he “stole” both.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:07:30pm |
re: #104 buzzsawmonkey
I don’t even know what “Ghost Hunters” is. How out of the loop does that make me?
It’s not as good as “Ghostbusters” is all I’ll say.
/
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Ben Hur Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:07:30pm |
Nor does the fact that 10 Republican congressmen are sponsoring a bill requiring candidates for President to supply their birth certificates to the Federal Election Commission prove anything about the depths of “birtherism.” The test wouldn’t apply until 2012, and even then, Obama would pass with flying colors.
Hysteria over the concocted magnitude of birtherism reached an almost comical fever pitch last week when Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) requested that a vote on a resolution honoring the 50th anniversary of Hawaiian statehood be delayed. The decree cited Hawaii as Obama’s birthplace, causing liberals to jump on the episode as evidence of the GOP’s embrace of birthers. Yet the reason for Bachmann’s motion, as anyone remotely familiar with congressional procedure would know, was nothing more scandalous than the absence of a quorum. The resolution passed unanimously several days later.
Far from seeing these charges as any sort of real threat to Obama’s legitimacy, liberals report every outburst of the birther brigades with glee - because they derive maximum political benefit from stirring up the story as long as possible. Why debate the intricacies of a massive overhaul of the nation’s health care system when you can conflate principled conservative critics of the program with a bunch of nutty conspiracy theorists?
“An artificial controversy is getting far too much attention lately,” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) intoned on Monday - on the Senate floor, no less - before giving “attention” to said “artificial controversy.”
Yes, it’s true. A new poll shows high numbers of Republicans doubting whether Obama was, in fact, born in the U.S. But a 2007 poll found a third of Democrats convinced that the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, occurred with the foreknowledge of the Bush administration. The pervasiveness of such conspiracies about the government’s complicity in the deadliest assault on American soil is far more worrying than groundless doubts about the legitimacy of the President’s birth certificate.
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Dianna Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:07:33pm |
re: #101 Shiplord Kirel
My boss asked me, in complete puzzlement, about the “birth certificate controversy” on Friday.
My mom asked me this morning.
A whole lot of people hadn’t heard of it until very recently, and they are (generally) puzzled by it.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:08:04pm |
re: #106 Dianna
I am afraid to ask, but I will: People think ‘Ghost Hunters’ is real?
Sure they are, they got a show, right?
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Dianna Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:08:06pm |
re: #104 buzzsawmonkey
I don’t even know what “Ghost Hunters” is. How out of the loop does that make me?
I wish I didn’t know! You are a very lucky person, not knowing!
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Yashmak Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:08:12pm |
re: #34 Born Again Republican
I’m beginning to think Charles’ has an agenda. Make Republicans look like kooks.
That’s like the old question “does these pants make me look fat”? No, it’s the fat that makes a person look fat.
Just like it’s the kooks in the party that make Republicans look like kooks, not the people who point them out.
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VegasRick Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:08:20pm |
re: #111 Born Again Republican
Just expressing a momentary frustration.
That was a pretty dumb thing to say but I’m glad you came back.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:08:30pm |
re: #110 jcm
¼ of REGISTERED VOTERS think the government has it’s own money.
Is it any wonder they vote for candidates who promise womb totombSoylent Green nanny state?
Just catching you up to the 21st century …
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Gus Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:08:43pm |
Question and observation regarding this poll. Q7 indicates the following:
Who did you vote for President last year? If
John McCain, press 1. If Barack Obama,
press 2. If someone else or you don’t
remember, press 3.
McCain… 52%
Obama… 41%
The NY Time indicates that Obama won the popular vote and the electoral vote in Virginia with the following electoral results:
Barack Obama…1,958,370 or 52.7%
John McCain… 1,726,053 or 46.4%
No methodology is discussed in the poll results accounting for this discrepancy or possible adjustments. Am I missing something or were McCain voters oversampled?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:09:03pm |
re: #104 buzzsawmonkey
I don’t even know what “Ghost Hunters” is. How out of the loop does that make me?
A “reality” show about a bunch of people doing paranormal research. Think Jerry Rivers and Capone’s Vault on a weekly basis for how exciting the show is.
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tradewind Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:09:07pm |
re: #101 Shiplord Kirel
Here;s an interesting poll question for Democrats:
Does it make any difference to you whether or not President Obama was actually born in the United States?
Love to see that percentage.
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SixDegrees Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:09:49pm |
re: #30 opnion
I would like to see a poll nationwide of what % of Democrats think that 9/11 was an inside job.
Using Kos Math, this means that 61% of Democrats believe Bush was behind 9/11.
Someone else posted a similar poll a few days ago; the figure on that one was 74%.
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Yashmak Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:10:04pm |
re: #50 slterry40
Marginalizing your adversary is just good Chicago politics.
Actually, it’s pretty good ANYWHERE politics.
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Son of the Black Dog Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:10:28pm |
re: #55 ArchangelMichael
That’s kind of what I was saying in 98 during the impeachment of Bubba:
“Why do you want Al Gore to be president so bad?”
IMHO, some of the Republican Senators who voted against Bubba’s removal had thought that through and realized that a sitting President Gore would probably be reelected in 2000.
Think about it - Al Gore as president on September 11, 2001.
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Dianna Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:10:35pm |
re: #108 FurryOldGuyJeans
Yes.
*Whimper*
*Buries face in hands.*
Oh, dear. Oh, dearie, dearie, me.
I will remind myself that I recently encountered a young woman who believed in Major Tom, and maintain my calm.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:10:37pm |
re: #124 tradewind
Here;s an interesting poll question for Democrats:
Does it make any difference to you whether or not President Obama was actually born in the United States?
Love to see that percentage.
As long as the man meets the other qualifications for natural born citizenship, where he was born is a dead issue. McCain wasn’t born in the US.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:10:48pm |
re: #81 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Charles, are the rumors that you took over Col Sanders seat on the Pentaverate true? Enquiring minds want to know.
That’s not true, but he is adding flouride to our water supply in order to sap our precious bodily fluids.
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SixDegrees Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:11:27pm |
re: #45 tradewind
And a poll of what percentage of Democrats still believe that George W stole the 2000 election. Bet it’s at least as high as the percentage of birthers.
And let’s not forget the Mother of all Dem Delusions: Bush’s TANG records.
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keithgabryelski Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:11:44pm |
re: #106 Dianna
I am afraid to ask, but I will: People think ‘Ghost Hunters’ is real?
It’s scary what people believe. At least ghost hunters seems to be entertaining to some people. I can’t complain about what people call entertainment when no one is getting hurt.
But things like “John Edwards’ Crossing Over” were bottom feeding evil.
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Ben Hur Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:11:46pm |
We agree that we should stop talking about candidate Obama’s cocaine habit, because speaking about his cocaine habit is in bad taste so from this point on we won’t be speaking about his cocaine habit because a candidates cocaine habit should be off limits, so what we are saying is that we won’t bring up his coke habit anymore.
Shut u-up? Why certainly! You don’t think I’m the type that would keep on blabbin’? Some people never know when to stop. When I’m told to shut up, I shut up…
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jill e Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:11:48pm |
Obama’s true shortcomings are so numerous, I’m not understanding why they need to keep at this birth certificate nonsense. Reality is more than enough!
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OldLineTexan Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:11:50pm |
re: #128 Dianna
*Whimper*
*Buries face in hands.*
Oh, dear. Oh, dearie, dearie, me.
I will remind myself that I recently encountered a young woman who believed in Major Tom, and maintain my calm.
I got a message from the Action Man. I’m happy … hope you’re happy too.
/
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KenJen Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:12:14pm |
re: #106 Dianna
I am afraid to ask, but I will: People think ‘Ghost Hunters’ is real?
re: #116 Dianna
My boss asked me, in complete puzzlement, about the “birth certificate controversy” on Friday.
My mom asked me this morning.
A whole lot of people hadn’t heard of it until very recently, and they are (generally) puzzled by it.
Same here. Most people are talking about Obama and health care or Obama and Cash for Clunkers, etc.
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tradewind Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:12:23pm |
re: #129 FurryOldGuyJeans
Oh, details.
McCain was considered a natural born United States citizen, and you know it. His parents being in the Canal Zone did not negate the fact that his father was on duty with the United States military.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:12:48pm |
re: #129 FurryOldGuyJeans
As long as the man meets the other qualifications for natural born citizenship, where he was born is a dead issue. McCain wasn’t born in the US.
Ah, an echo of the Dem’s short love affair with nirtherism.
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jcm Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:13:11pm |
re: #97 buzzsawmonkey
Everybody had advance notice of everything; it’s all on YouTube before it happens. Rainbow Sprinkler Lady is the new benchmark by which sanity is measured.
/just trying to get into the 21st century mindset.
There’s a whole FDR knew about Pearl Harbor crowd, it’s been going on for a long time.
Re: Pearl Harbor, many parallels to 9/11. All the data was in hand to show there was an attack aimed at Pearl. However do to turf wars in the intel community the data was never collated into a big picture, lots of people had “dots” but none of them were ever put in the same room to be connected.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:13:25pm |
re: #123 FurryOldGuyJeans
A “reality” show about a bunch of people doing paranormal research. Think Jerry Rivers and Capone’s Vault on a weekly basis for how exciting the show is.
It’s on the Sci-Fi network. Excuse me, “Sy-Fy” whatever the f that is.
But it is supposed to be real.
Never watched it, but I’ve seen the ads.
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Yashmak Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:13:25pm |
re: #104 buzzsawmonkey
I don’t even know what “Ghost Hunters” is. How out of the loop does that make me?
Me either. I don’t watch (or even HAVE) TV… .just movies on DVD.
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KenJen Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:13:30pm |
re: #132 keithgabryelski
Did you ever find that post you were looking for yesterday?
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Scion9 Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:13:53pm |
re: #123 FurryOldGuyJeans
A “reality” show about a bunch of people doing paranormal research. Think Jerry Rivers and Capone’s Vault on a weekly basis for how exciting the show is.
Oh man, I love it. How long can they run a show where a bunch of people sit around listening to radio static and observing how much colder the house is next to windows? People gripe about American Idol but imagine if the show was just a panel of judges sitting in empty addition halls thinking they might be hearing someone give a performance. That’s Ghost Hunters.
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avanti Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:14:54pm |
re: #125 SixDegrees
Using Kos Math, this means that 61% of Democrats believe Bush was behind 9/11.
Someone else posted a similar poll a few days ago; the figure on that one was 74%.
Must be KOS math since the poll showed only that 34% thought Bush knew the attacks were coming, not behind it, nor 61%. either.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:15:07pm |
re: #128 Dianna
*Whimper*
*Buries face in hands.*
Oh, dear. Oh, dearie, dearie, me.
I will remind myself that I recently encountered a young woman who believed in Major Tom, and maintain my calm.
We know Major Tom’s a junkie, strung out on Heaven’s high, hitting an all time low.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:15:16pm |
re: #117 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Sure they are, they got a show, right?
Yeah, and I hope they take care of that Stay Puft Marshmellow Man for good this time. We have to stop him from poisoning British kids’ breakfasts!
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John Neverbend Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:15:17pm |
re: #53 Lawrence Schmerel
Did anyone notice Q4 has a total responding of 101% ?
Yes. I concluded that either:
1. It’s a rounding error or
2. The basic laws of arithmetic don’t apply in Virginia.
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S'latch Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:15:28pm |
I really have a difficult time taking this poll at face value. I suspect that many (although I don’t know how many) of those who voted for McCain and said they doubt or don’t know if Obama was born in the U.S. do not actually doubt that Obama was born in the U.S.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:15:29pm |
re: #137 tradewind
Oh, details.
McCain was considered a natural born United States citizen, and you know it. His parents being in the Canal Zone did not negate the fact that his father was on duty with the United States military.
Excuse me, where did I say McCain is not a natural born US citizen according to the US Constitution and US Law?
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Wendya Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:15:31pm |
re: #109 Ben Hur
Liberals’ birther obsession: It’s the left-wing, not the GOP, that’s pumping up the story
People will reflexively downding you for this but there is an element of truth to it. You can’t expect a media that leans to the left to promote and advertise their own kookiness, they would rather attack the opposition. If McCain were elected and it was the democrats going after him on birther stuff, the media sure as hell wouldn’t be promoting it. Their more fringe movements never made it into the national media, you had to read about them on the internet.
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Dianna Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:16:14pm |
re: #132 keithgabryelski
It’s scary what people believe. At least ghost hunters seems to be entertaining to some people. I can’t complain about what people call entertainment when no one is getting hurt.
But things like “John Edwards’ Crossing Over” were bottom feeding evil.
Oh, yes! Thank you for saying that!
I watched it once, and nearly screamed in fury. Evil, evil, evil!
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Kragar Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:16:28pm |
re: #130 Mad Al-Jaffee
That’s not true, but he is adding flouride to our water supply in order to sap our precious bodily fluids.
He puts a secret ingredient in the LGF code which makes ya crave it fortnightly, smart ass!
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LC LaWedgie Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:16:28pm |
re: #15 itellu3times
D. Don’t care.
E. Ron Paul!
I’d imagine that a bunch of the “Not Sure” ops are in the “Don’t care” as well some of the “No” votes are of the “Kinda late to care / so what” mindset as opposed to the eevil nirther syndrome.
Of course, there’s the RoPaul bogaloo boys.
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Ben Hur Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:16:34pm |
re: #152 Wendya
People will reflexively downding you for this but there is an element of truth to it. You can’t expect a media that leans to the left to promote and advertise their own kookiness, they would rather attack the opposition. If McCain were elected and it was the democrats going after him on birther stuff, the media sure as hell wouldn’t be promoting it. Their more fringe movements never made it into the national media, you had to read about them on the internet.
That was kind of my point with my weird cocaine post.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:17:02pm |
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John Neverbend Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:17:25pm |
re: #140 Kosh’s Shadow
It’s on the Sci-Fi network. Excuse me, “Sy-Fy” whatever the f that is.
But it is supposed to be real.
Never watched it, but I’ve seen the ads.
The ads are always the same thing. Black and white night vision shots with people in narrow tunnels, suddenly jumping away from the wall shouting “Jesus” or “oh my god”.
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keithgabryelski Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:17:38pm |
re: #142 KenJen
Did you ever find that post you were looking for yesterday?
no, thank you for asking, though.
Haakondahl released his email address while he is on a trip to San Diego, so I sent him private email. I’m hoping he is the poster.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:17:42pm |
re: #132 keithgabryelski
It’s scary what people believe. At least ghost hunters seems to be entertaining to some people. I can’t complain about what people call entertainment when no one is getting hurt.
But things like “John Edwards’ Crossing Over” were bottom feeding evil.
Agreed. It truly apt when South Park gave Edwards the title of “Biggest Douche in the Universe”.
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Ben Hur Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:17:42pm |
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Wendya Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:18:10pm |
re: #128 Dianna
*Whimper*
*Buries face in hands.*
Oh, dear. Oh, dearie, dearie, me.
I will remind myself that I recently encountered a young woman who believed in Major Tom, and maintain my calm.
You met someone who thought Major Tom was a real astronaut?
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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JustABill Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:18:33pm |
re: #110 jcm
¼ of REGISTERED VOTERS think the government has it’s own money.
Is it any wonder they vote for candidates who promise womb to tomb nanny state?
My understanding is that the government can print money via the treasury dept, exactly how this is regulated is a bit of a mistery to me. Also, I understand is that the fed can create money to loan to the govt and increase/decrease the money supply in that way.
That all being said, the vast majority of the money the govt spends comes from taxpayers, with borrowing being responsible for most of the rest.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:18:42pm |
re: #34 Born Again Republican
I’m beginning to think Charles’ has an agenda. Make Republicans look like kooks.
No, that is the GOP’s agenda. Charles is just reporting on it.
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SixDegrees Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:19:16pm |
re: #146 avanti
Must be KOS math since the poll showed only that 34% thought Bush knew the attacks were coming, not behind it, nor 61%. either.
If you add in the ‘unsures’ - using the Kos methodology - you get 61%.
But even ignoring that - you’re saying that you’re proud 1 in 3 Democrats believes Bush was behind 9/11?
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Kragar Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:19:27pm |
re: #163 Wendya
You met someone who thought Major Tom was a real astronaut?
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
You mean he isn’t still floating in a tin can?
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Yashmak Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:19:31pm |
re: #163 Wendya
You met someone who thought Major Tom was a real astronaut?
Of course he was. He discovered the spiders from Mars.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:19:31pm |
re: #161 Dark_Falcon
Agreed. It was truly apt when South Park gave Edwards the title of “Biggest Douche in the Universe”.
PIMF
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:19:33pm |
re: #159 John Neverbend
The ads are always the same thing. Black and white night vision shots with people in narrow tunnels, suddenly jumping away from the wall shouting “Jesus” or “oh my god”.
Yes, but in different buildings each time. Sometimes, in different countries.
Did not make me want to watch the show.
I will, however, try the new Stargate series.
And Sanctuary, if that ever comes back.
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FrogMarch Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:19:45pm |
re: #146 avanti
Must be KOS math since the poll showed only that 34% thought Bush knew the attacks were coming, not behind it, nor 61%. either.
If you think the President knew about it and didn’t stop it - which means he let it happen - that’s pretty much only a tiny step away from believing the president was behind it.
It’s also how the poll question was asked.
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eschew_obfuscation Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:19:52pm |
re: #12 lawhawk
Now, where could they have gotten that idea from?
Moreover, how does that nirther nonsense curtail Obama’s program agenda since the Democrats can and will exploit it going into 2010. I know I would.
The nirtherism is a symptom - the problem is figuring out the cause, and then applying the cure. The COLB, and all the other proof of Obama’s citizenship is insufficient, so that means that there’s something else at work here.
It’s equivalent of a 2-year old putting their fingers in his ears and shouting lalalalalala at the top of his voice.
I would be willing to bet that at least half of the people responding to any poll on this question just aren’t paying attention to it … doesn’t register on their radar. Those who say he wasn’t born in the U.S. … they are another story.
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Wendya Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:20:16pm |
re: #165 Slumbering Behemoth
No, that is the GOP’s agenda. Charles is just reporting on it.
Really? Is that the new plank or is this a gross exaggeration of the position of the Republican party in general.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:20:54pm |
re: #168 Yashmak
Of course he was. He discovered the spiders from Mars.
When he got home, he retired to Suffragette City
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:21:11pm |
I bought the yellow submarine off of E-bay.
Good price but shipping was a bitch.
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Idle Drifter Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:21:48pm |
re: #139 jcm
There’s a whole FDR knew about Pearl Harbor crowd, it’s been going on for a long time.
Re: Pearl Harbor, many parallels to 9/11. All the data was in hand to show there was an attack aimed at Pearl. However do to turf wars in the intel community the data was never collated into a big picture, lots of people had “dots” but none of them were ever put in the same room to be connected.
I’ve lost track of the number of people I’ve butted heads with over the JFK assassination? One man with a rifle can do a lot of damage.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:21:54pm |
The one aspect of all this craziness is tendency that it creates that it suggests we should keep silent about everything.
Such as todays release of the “mob” commercial…
“”It’s become clear that Republican leaders, having lost every major legislative battle on Capitol Hill, the confidence of the American people and two consecutive national elections, would rather incite angry, special interest funded mobs and disrupt and drown out legitimate discussion of the issues instead of working for real solutions for the American people,” said DNC Communications Director Brad Woodhouse. “
I think the left has found a very contrived way of minimizing any message we have, or any complaint or differing opinion.
And there is certainly indication (see above comments) that the left is actually making an effort to paint everything coming out of the GOP as crazy.
Let people speak out, the crazies will shoot themselves in the foot in the long run. It may hurt conservatives in the short term, but in the long term, we will not be beholden to the machinations of the lefts speech suppression.
If you know you are right, if you know you have the facts, if you know there is nothing that can shake you position, then shout it out loud.
The left is not going to tell me how I can speak. And that’s exactly what is happening.
Don’t be fooled. Not everyone who appears to be your friend is on your side.
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onslow Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:22:14pm |
For Republicans help may be on the way:
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Ben Hur Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:22:16pm |
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Land Shark Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:22:20pm |
re: #60 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Exactly my point. Comrade Obama hands us fresh ammo on a daily basis on which he can be criticized and people are still farting around with this idiotic birth certificate madness? Something for which there is no evidence whatsoever? Has anybody proved the state of Hawaii lied? Has anybody produced any evidence, like a birth certificate, that he was born in another country? Nope. It’s beyond pathetic.
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keithgabryelski Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:22:29pm |
re: #161 Dark_Falcon
Agreed. It truly apt when South Park gave Edwards the title of “Biggest Douche in the Universe”.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
Shortly after the September 11, 2001 attacks, Edward began filming at least one special in which he met with some relatives of the victims, with the intention of communicating with those who were killed.
Behold the psychic that couldn’t predict that would end in failure.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:22:35pm |
Yes?
No?
Not sure?
…What was the question again?…
Why ‘s anyone still stuck on stupid??
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Wendya Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:22:39pm |
re: #175 SixDegrees
From the article:
A prison spokeswoman would not say whether Fromme continues to correspond with Manson.
Just great.
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Gus Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:22:40pm |
re: #177 SasquatchOnSteroids
I bought the yellow submarine off of E-bay.
Good price but shipping was a bitch.
You know the art director for that died last month?
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OldLineTexan Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:22:42pm |
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Yashmak Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:23:21pm |
re: #29 Charles
Wow.
A Nirthblogger who redefines crazy:
Jeez. Even goes so far as to label Bill O’Reilly a pinhead and a traitor for calling birtherism a waste of time.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:23:27pm |
re: #171 buzzsawmonkey
What this country needs—now that a good five-cent seegar is out of the question—is a Phy. Sci. Network, which makes genuine science interesting and comprehensible.
Now that would be a true public service.
If anyone is interested, I have an idea for a science fiction show based on real science that could be both entertaining and educational.
I’m writing a short story based on that setting, because that is easier to get published (but not easy).
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:23:36pm |
re: #171 buzzsawmonkey
What this country needs—now that a good five-cent seegar is out of the question—is a Phy. Sci. Network, which makes genuine science interesting and comprehensible.
Now that would be a true public service.
Bill Nye is “retired” and Mr. Wizard (Don Herbert) is dead.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:23:38pm |
re: #156 LC LaWedgie
I’d imagine that a bunch of the “Not Sure” ops are in the “Don’t care” as well some of the “No” votes are of the “Kinda late to care / so what” mindset as opposed to the eevil nirther syndrome.
Of course, there’s the RoPaul bogaloo boys.
“Not Sure” always makes me think of the movie Idiocracy, which more and more these days seems to be a documentary.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:23:38pm |
We can expect the media to spin this to the left’s advantage, just as we can expect the sun to rise in the east.
We can reasonably expect them to overstate its prevalence and the prominence of its advocates, but they did not create nirtherism out of thin air and they are not the ones who have persuaded millions of people that the current President of the United States is constitutionally ineligible for the office.
I would be the first to call out the media-industrial complex if I thought they were the driving force behind this. That is not the case, however, and we are simply changing the subject and ignoring reality if we pretend that it is.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:24:05pm |
re: #174 Wendya
A little of column A, a little of column B.
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Dahveed Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:24:09pm |
This new Virginia Republican is absolutely confident that this president was born in the United States. I must say I have met a couple that are not so confident and I have done my best to set them straight.
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WinterCat Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:24:10pm |
re: #106 Dianna
I am afraid to ask, but I will: People think ‘Ghost Hunters’ is real?
Ghost Hunters is real. The ghosts they hunt are not.
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Gus Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:24:19pm |
re: #187 OldLineTexan
Try Hopium, it’s almost as strong.
Hey man, like got any hopijuana or change stick? /
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:24:26pm |
re: #132 keithgabryelski
It’s scary what people believe. At least ghost hunters seems to be entertaining to some people. I can’t complain about what people call entertainment when no one is getting hurt.
But things like “John Edwards’ Crossing Over” were bottom feeding evil.
I LOVE the South Park episode about Edwards.
Biggest douche in the universe.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:24:36pm |
re: #177 SasquatchOnSteroids
I bought the yellow submarine off of E-bay.
Good price but shipping was a bitch.
I’ve got a hole in my pocket.
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SixDegrees Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:24:48pm |
re: #181 Ben Hur
How long before she’s tenured at UChi or Columbia?
Do you want the answer in hours or minutes?
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eschew_obfuscation Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:24:48pm |
re: #164 JustABill
My understanding is that the government can print money via the treasury dept, exactly how this is regulated is a bit of a mistery to me. Also, I understand is that the fed can create money to loan to the govt and increase/decrease the money supply in that way.
That all being said, the vast majority of the money the govt spends comes from taxpayers, with borrowing being responsible for most of the rest.
The money supply is increased every time a bank makes a loan. They’re required to retain something like 15% of their deposits in reserve, but they loan many times that to customers.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:24:52pm |
re: #168 Yashmak
Of course he was. He discovered the spiders from Mars.
But when the kids killed the man, we had to break up the band. So, he’s dead.
/
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:25:09pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:25:33pm |
re: #175 SixDegrees
I’m not opposed to her release. She never actually killed anyone and she’s spent most of her life in prison. Provided she is supervised, she can be let go.
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KenJen Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:25:42pm |
re: #160 keithgabryelski
no, thank you for asking, though.
Haakondahl released his email address while he is on a trip to San Diego, so I sent him private email. I’m hoping he is the poster.
I was thinking you might also try Six Degrees.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:26:04pm |
re: #178 Idle Drifter
I’ve lost track of the number of people I’ve butted heads with over the JFK assassination? One man with a rifle can do a lot of damage.
From my knowledge of firearms…
Any shot like that with a Carcano (piece of shit) / bolt action …
WAS some incredible marksmanship!
Just sayin!
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:26:06pm |
re: #199 Kosh’s Shadow
I’ve got a hole in my pocket.
hmm, I thought you were just glad to see me.
//
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VegasRick Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:26:26pm |
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Land Shark Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:27:01pm |
re: #34 Born Again Republican
Say what? Like the Republicans supporting this birther crapola aren’t doing a fabulous job of doing just that? Sorry, but like they say in the South, “that dog don’t hunt.”
Charles is an equal opportunity kook basher, from what I’ve seen. I’m a Republican, and I know he doesn’t just pick on GOP kooks.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:27:07pm |
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tradewind Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:27:08pm |
re: #139 jcm
There’s a whole FDR knew about Pearl Harbor crowd, it’s been going on for a long time.
Wait… you mean he didn’t?
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Kragar Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:27:23pm |
re: #204 buzzsawmonkey
Surely they were not the only two people in a nation of 300 million who could front a true science network.
Nope, that was it, though I think we could probably outsource and get someone from China or India.
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jcm Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:27:23pm |
re: #164 JustABill
My understanding is that the government can print money via the treasury dept, exactly how this is regulated is a bit of a mistery to me. Also, I understand is that the fed can create money to loan to the govt and increase/decrease the money supply in that way.
That all being said, the vast majority of the money the govt spends comes from taxpayers, with borrowing being responsible for most of the rest.
Wealth, which money is used as an exchange medium cannot be created by anything other than an individual being productive.
Government loans are taxes on future productivity.
Combining the deficit and unfunded mandates in social security and medicare the US government has $63 Trillion dollars out standing. Or $220,000 obligation by every man, woman and child in the US. Since the work force is a little less than half the total population. Figure $450,000 for every working individual. If you take an average of around $40,000 every working individual is indebted for 11 years of labor to pay off the money government has created.
Think about that, to balance the government books, everyone currently working would have to work for 11 years and give ALL their income would go to the government.
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WinterCat Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:27:38pm |
re: #205 Dark_Falcon
I’m not opposed to her release. She never actually killed anyone and she’s spent most of her life in prison. Provided she is supervised, she can be let go.
True, she was only somewhat involved in a group of horrific murders and an assassination attempt. What could possibly go wrong?
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Rexatosis Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:27:43pm |
Take any poll of any subject and select any cross-sample of the American public in any state and you will get a reasonably large number of idiots who are completely clueless. This is why P.T. Barnum understood no one would ever go broke underestimating the public’s intelligence or overestimating the public’s gullibility.
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LC LaWedgie Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:27:51pm |
re: #205 Dark_Falcon
Supervised? That ain’t let go… that’s a mobile jail. If that’s what it takes, then leave her where she is.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:27:58pm |
re: #204 buzzsawmonkey
Surely they were not the only two people in a nation of 300 million who could front a true science network.
Most people wouldn’t have even a whit of an iota of attention to expend on wanting to understand science. The religion of AGW/ACC and Creationism wouldn’t have as many adherents if there was.
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Son of the Black Dog Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:28:05pm |
re: #149 John Neverbend
Yes. I concluded that either:
1. It’s a rounding error or
2. The basic laws of arithmetic don’t apply in Virginia.
Well, the basic laws of economics don’t seem to apply in DC.
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Dianna Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:28:16pm |
re: #159 John Neverbend
The ads are always the same thing. Black and white night vision shots with people in narrow tunnels, suddenly jumping away from the wall shouting “Jesus” or “oh my god”.
Oooh, yeah. I’m in a dark place expecting something scary. So any little thing - a creak, a rustle, whatever - will make me jump like hell.
You should see what happens when the car alarm goes off when I’m standing by the convertible in the garage. I’ve been known to pogo across the floor, and - on one immortal occasion - tripped over my dropped book and ended up sprawled across the hood like a hunting trophy.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:28:28pm |
re: #204 buzzsawmonkey
Surely they were not the only two people in a nation of 300 million who could front a true science network.
Well, Mythbusters has some science content, and is entertaining, but is also very limited. At least they defuse sensationalism, instead of adding to it, and still let us watch stuff get blown up.
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FrogMarch Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:28:28pm |
re: #179 Walter L. Newton
DNC AD:
“”It’s become clear that Republican leaders, having lost every major legislative battle on Capitol Hill, the confidence of the American people and two consecutive national elections, would rather incite angry, special interest funded mobs and disrupt and drown out legitimate discussion of the issues instead of working for real solutions for the American people,” said DNC Communications Director Brad Woodhouse. “
code: “Our special interest insiders don’t appreciate your Republican low-lives speaking out against government controlled health care. So we are going to use deception and projection and accuse you of what we do.”
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jill e Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:28:44pm |
re: #51 FrogMarch
I’m not excusing the birther madness at all. I want it to stop. But I wonder what percentage of Democrats were 9/11 troofers?
Democrats in America are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure.
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Yashmak Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:28:53pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:28:55pm |
re: #202 OldLineTexan
But when the kids killed the man, we had to break up the band. So, he’s dead.
/
One of my favorite misunderstood lyrics is from Sufragette City:
“The smell of fat chicks just put my spine out of place.”
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Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:29:07pm |
re: #109 Ben Hur
Liberals’ birther obsession: It’s the left-wing, not the GOP, that’s pumping up the story
No, it’s not.
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VegasRick Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:29:08pm |
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Desert Dog Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:29:13pm |
re: #214 jcm
Wealth, which money is used as an exchange medium cannot be created by anything other than an individual being productive.
Government loans are taxes on future productivity.
Combining the deficit and unfunded mandates in social security and medicare the US government has $63 Trillion dollars out standing. Or $220,000 obligation by every man, woman and child in the US. Since the work force is a little less than half the total population. Figure $450,000 for every working individual. If you take an average of around $40,000 every working individual is indebted for 11 years of labor to pay off the money government has created.
Think about that, to balance the government books, everyone currently working would have to work for 11 years and give ALL their income would go to the government.
House of cards, built on sand, with the wind blowing. Hope you have your gold and food horded? If so, can I come over when it all falls? I ain’t got nothing
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:30:35pm |
re: #217 LC LaWedgie
Supervised? That ain’t let go… that’s a mobile jail. If that’s what it takes, then leave her where she is.
No, let any family she has left pay the cost of her upkeep. She’s almost certainly aged past the point of being dangerous.
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FrogMarch Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:30:56pm |
re: #224 jill e
Democrats in America are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure.
thanks! A few folks posted it above too. & I wasn’t the only one wondering.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:31:15pm |
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:31:16pm |
re: #34 Born Again Republican
I’m beginning to think Charles’ has an agenda. Make Republicans look like kooks.
If Charles has an agenda, it’s to prevent kooks from looking like Republicans.
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Dianna Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:31:42pm |
re: #163 Wendya
You met someone who thought Major Tom was a real astronaut?
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
I did. She believed it because there’s more than one song about Major Tom, and not just David Bowie sings about him.
It was quite perplexing.
Finally, I asked her what Major Tom’s last name was.
A week later, she confessed that she couldn’t find it; the astonishing thing was her admission that she briefly considered that there was a cover-up!
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:31:58pm |
re: #190 FurryOldGuyJeans
You forget: Carl Sagan (dead).
There is, however, a few guys or gals who might make the cut in a new show on science and/or cosmology. Michio Kaku comes to mind, but he fits into the Sagan continuum of scientists - theoretical rather than practical science like Nye or Mr. Wizard.
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Dianna Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:32:14pm |
re: #230 Dark_Falcon
No, let any family she has left pay the cost of her upkeep. She’s almost certainly aged past the point of being dangerous.
Tell that to the security guard at the Holocaust Museum.
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keithgabryelski Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:32:23pm |
re: #175 SixDegrees
SixDegrees, did you, by chance, post a message to LGF explaining why conspiracy theorists cling to the conspiracies, are comforted by them, and why they resist information to the contrary?
It would have been posted with-in the last week, but I can’t find it.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:32:31pm |
re: #221 Dianna
Oooh, yeah. I’m in a dark place expecting something scary. So any little thing - a creak, a rustle, whatever - will make me jump like hell.
You should see what happens when the car alarm goes off when I’m standing by the convertible in the garage. I’ve been known to pogo across the floor, and - on one immortal occasion - tripped over my dropped book and ended up sprawled across the hood like a hunting trophy.
You startle like my wife. If someone enters a room she’s in, and surprises her, well, I’m surprised we don’t have holes in the ceiling.
BTW, my daughter’s wedding was a few weeks ago, at a charming Vermont inn, that claims to have a ghost. At least one visitor (in their web site) was disappointed that they did not see the ghost; they have no one claiming to have seen it. But they do have a unique telescope and a telescope museum. And the food is really good.
(Hartness House; [Link: www.hartnesshouse.com…] for those interested)
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:33:10pm |
re: #217 LC LaWedgie
The pond scum California plans to release are far more dangerous
than she is!
Doubt she has the gray matter to strike a match…
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:33:20pm |
re: #233 Alouette
If Charles has an agenda, it’s to prevent kooks from looking like Republicans.
I’d rather the kooks be able to keep speaking out than having most conservatives feel a need to keep their mouth shut about issues.
The left is certainly trying to instigate that sort of situation.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:33:20pm |
re: #236 Dianna
Tell that to the security guard at the Holocaust Museum.
Point taken. Forgive me, I should have remembered that.
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SixDegrees Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:33:51pm |
re: #205 Dark_Falcon
I’m not opposed to her release. She never actually killed anyone and she’s spent most of her life in prison. Provided she is supervised, she can be let go.
Maybe so. It’s creepy, though that she’s only sixty; tried to kill a US President; was a member of a cult that believed it was responsible for starting a race war; and is, to be blunt, batshit crazy. It’s disturbing to think that some loon like Pat Robertson or Cindy Sheehan might start whispering in Squeaky’s ear - or that she might muster some gumption of her own.
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SixDegrees Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:34:31pm |
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Ben Hur Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:34:59pm |
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jcm Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:35:14pm |
re: #234 Dianna
I did. She believed it because there’s more than one song about Major Tom, and not just David Bowie sings about him.
It was quite perplexing.
Finally, I asked her what Major Tom’s last name was.
A week later, she confessed that she couldn’t find it; the astonishing thing was her admission that she briefly considered that there was a cover-up!
Pfft… Col. Thomas Dale Akers… he had to have been a Major at one point in his career.
// ;-P
// ;-P
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SixDegrees Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:35:24pm |
re: #230 Dark_Falcon
No, let any family she has left pay the cost of her upkeep. She’s almost certainly aged past the point of being dangerous.
She’s sixty.
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tradewind Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:35:54pm |
So the more I hear about the Ling/Liu release thing, the more I wonder if the whole thing was a set-up from the start. Why?
Al Gore as their boss… check
They just wander across the DMZ? check
Even though they were tried and convicted in March, they had yet to start to serve even one day of their sentence? check
Not saying this is the case, I just think it might bear looking into.
Everyone came out a winnah. Bubba got back in the saddle, Kim got to show off an ex-president… yada yada…
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:36:16pm |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:36:36pm |
re: #230 Dark_Falcon
No, let any family she has left pay the cost of her upkeep. She’s almost certainly aged past the point of being dangerous.
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Sharmuta Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:37:05pm |
re: #244 hous bin pharteen
Get your own blog. Then we can come over and tell you what to post.
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LC LaWedgie Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:37:05pm |
re: #240 reloadingisnotahobby
Oh, agreed. Just sayin’ that if she requires government supervision for the rest of her life, she might as well stay put.
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Idle Drifter Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:37:38pm |
re: #207 reloadingisnotahobby
From my knowledge of firearms…
Any shot like that with a Carcano (piece of shit) / bolt action …
WAS some incredible marksmanship!
Just sayin!
Surplus 6.5 x 52 mm Italian Carcano M91/38 bolt-action rifles were hit or miss as are most surplus weapons in quality and they’re cheap because of the available quantity. The range and speed of JFK was short (82m) and slow (8.1 mph) traveling in a know direction for a rifle shot. Oswald was trained as a Marine to hit stationary and moving targets at even greater ranges (+200 m) at “Dog” targets which are the silhouette of a human head and top of the torso.
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Yashmak Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:37:42pm |
re: #250 tradewind
Everyone came out a winnah. Bubba got back in the saddle, Kim got to show off an ex-president… yada yada…
What I don’t get, is why anyone cared. Hikers walk into Iran and get imprisoned. What did they THINK would happen? Reporters sneak into NK and get nabbed, what did they THINK would happen? More importantly, why, while I care about other Americans alot, I don’t see why I should care about folks as stupid as these particular examples.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:37:47pm |
re: #244 hous bin pharteen
Insult your host much when you go visit people?
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jcm Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:37:52pm |
re: #252 taxfreekiller
taxes are the use of your life, they now own us for average of 30%
1/3 of a 100 year life…
Working life…
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tradewind Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:38:07pm |
re: #244 hous bin pharteen
I’ll grant you one thing, Charles’ headlines do indeed bring teh headiness.
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keithgabryelski Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:38:51pm |
re: #254 hous bin pharteen
I think, on Daily Kos, 83% of dems are pot smokers, 36% are meth heads.
And 100% of your posts are pulled out of your ass?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:38:58pm |
re: #254 hous bin pharteen
I think, on Daily Kos, 83% of dems are pot smokers, 36% are meth heads.
You’re forgetting the pot smoking meth-heads…
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SixDegrees Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:39:10pm |
re: #237 keithgabryelski
SixDegrees, did you, by chance, post a message to LGF explaining why conspiracy theorists cling to the conspiracies, are comforted by them, and why they resist information to the contrary?
It would have been posted with-in the last week, but I can’t find it.
I don’t think so. Sounds like Iceweasel. I posted a couple of weeks ago about a connection between conspiracy theories and racism.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:39:12pm |
re: #257 buzzsawmonkey
There’s meth head in their madness?
In a blind taste taste, they preferred New Coke.
‘Nuff said.
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Pete-billy Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:39:54pm |
It’s the left-wing and not the GOP thats pumping up the story over and over and over again. Yes there are some rightwing nutjobs who believe this #*** but its liberals and the media who are giving voice to this fringe movement.
Who are devoting the most attention to this obscure ?? C’mon ppl guess!
Why debate the intricacies of a massive overhaul of the nation’s health care system when you can conflate principled conservative critics of the program with a bunch of nutty conspiracy theorists?
Get it???
Have a nice day!
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:40:01pm |
First Live Specimen of Fish With Transparent Head Discovered and Filmed
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Yashmak Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:40:30pm |
re: #258 Idle Drifter
Surplus 6.5 x 52 mm Italian Carcano M91/38 bolt-action rifles were hit or miss as are most surplus weapons in quality and they’re cheap because of the available quantity. The range and speed of JFK was short (82m) and slow (8.1 mph) traveling in a know direction for a rifle shot. Oswald was trained as a Marine to hit stationary and moving targets at even greater ranges (+200 m) at “Dog” targets which are the silhouette of a human head and top of the torso.
82m is not a particularly difficult rifle shot, even for a mediocre marksman with a mediocre weapon… .although deflection shooting to compensate for the car’s speed would have upped the difficulty level.
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yochanan Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:40:59pm |
frankly I think this is a stupid waste of time it isn’t like Obama is going to get impeached over it even it were true which it isn’t but by even talking about it we make it a more important issue just like the whole i.d. evolution thing as well.
after we achieve whirled peas then i will start worrying about these foolish things.
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Ben Hur Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:41:09pm |
re: #230 Dark_Falcon
No, let any family she has left pay the cost of her upkeep. She’s almost certainly aged past the point of being dangerous.
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hous bin pharteen Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:41:09pm |
re: #250 tradewind
You forget where the US Navy will not see North Korean ships taking illegal (The UN) arms to nasty countries again. Hey, now its OK with O that Iran can get nukes.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:41:09pm |
re: #267 Pete-billy
Nope, right wing blogs have been pushing this story non-stop since well before the elections.
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transient Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:41:24pm |
re: #263 keithgabryelski
And 100% of your posts are pulled out of your ass?
Don’t forget that 83.6% of all statistics are made up.
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Ben Hur Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:42:39pm |
re: #254 hous bin pharteen
I think, on Daily Kos, 83% of dems are pot smokers, 36% are meth heads.
DONT BLAME THE WEED.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:42:55pm |
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:43:23pm |
re: #224 jill e
Democrats in America are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure.
True enough, but the Democrats have been the preferred party of kooks at least since the late 19th century and the bloviating creationist William Jennings Bryan. It is the party of resentment and envy, of “the man” keeping us down through some unfair advantage, of magical thinking and work-free solutions. From Bryan’s Silver Crusade through Woodrow Wilson’s addle-brained racist idealism, FDR’s crypto-socialism, and LBJ’s Great Society, the rejection of reality has been their stock in trade.
Kookery is natural for them, as any visit to a major Dem event will illustrate. The GOP must distinguish itself from this or lose its identity.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:43:26pm |
re: #264 FurryOldGuyJeans
You’re forgetting the pot smoking meth-heads…
No …No he’s not!
That’s why it comes out to 119%…
lol
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John Neverbend Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:43:28pm |
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Jack Burton Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:43:34pm |
re: #267 Pete-billy
Over a year and a half of Conservative bloggers howling about this just went below your radar?
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Land Shark Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:43:53pm |
Quite frankly, if so many in the GOP weren’t nirthers, this stupid shit would have died a long time ago. There are way too many examples of my fellow Republicans acting and sounding like nirthers for this to be a conspiracy by anyone. All Charles has done is point them out. Is he making it up? Sadly, no.
And even if many Democrats are 9/11 troofer nut jobs, so what? Does it mean we Republicans have to go nuts too with some stupid ass conspiracy?
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transient Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:43:56pm |
re: #239 buzzsawmonkey
Well, there was the tongue in cheek tragedy I wrote during biochem featuring several molecules and a gene. But I think the gen(r)e has moved on.
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SixDegrees Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:44:24pm |
re: #259 Yashmak
What I don’t get, is why anyone cared. Hikers walk into Iran and get imprisoned. What did they THINK would happen? Reporters sneak into NK and get nabbed, what did they THINK would happen? More importantly, why, while I care about other Americans alot, I don’t see why I should care about folks as stupid as these particular examples.
Another point I haven’t seen mentioned here, although it was being batted around in the European press, is - the Japanese are totally pissed about this. NK has been systematically kidnapping Japanese civilians for decades, and has rebuffed all attempts at negotiating their release. The US has never offered much support to Japan - one of it’s allies - either. Yet a couple Americans get nabbed, and a former US President is winging his way there in a heartbeat, and winds up getting them freed and giving them a ride home. And still, on the question of Japanese captives - who never even entered NK, but were kidnapped from their own country - the US maintains utter silence.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:44:31pm |
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Charpete67 Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:44:33pm |
re: #270 yochanan
frankly I think this is a stupid waste of time it isn’t like Obama is going to get impeached over it even it were true which it isn’t but by even talking about it we make it a more important issue just like the whole i.d. evolution thing as well.
after we achieve whirled peas then i will start worrying about these foolish things.
agreed…and frankly, I don’t want him impeached. I disagree with Obama on almost everything, but I want him defeated in the arena of ideas. That is a much longer lasting legacy than defeating him on some technicality and would be much better for our country.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:44:37pm |
re: #268 Killgore Trout
Transparant Head?…
That could be handy…Or Not!
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yochanan Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:44:39pm |
re: #244 hous bin pharteen
i tend to agree wonder why the change of direction anyway. when i first came here it was mostly about islmo fascist terrorism.
have we forgotten 9-11 i haven’t
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WinterCat Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:44:43pm |
re: #256 LC LaWedgie
Oh, agreed. Just sayin’ that if she requires government supervision for the rest of her life, she might as well stay put.
She has been attracted to trouble all her adult life. According to Wiki also walked away from another set of murders after the Manson situation due to lack of evidence. Is she innocent but just unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time? I’m guessing not. So, for my money, she is right where she needs to be.
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jill e Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:44:45pm |
Sunday is the 40th anniversary of the Manson murders.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:44:57pm |
re: #268 Killgore Trout
Ooh, Look at the big brain on Bret !
That’s freakin’ cool.
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drcordell Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:45:30pm |
What was that about the previous nirther poll being purposely biased by Research 2000? I should go back to the previous thread and dig up some Kos Konspiracy gems.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:45:44pm |
re: #284 SixDegrees
Another point I haven’t seen mentioned here, although it was being batted around in the European press, is - the Japanese are totally pissed about this. NK has been systematically kidnapping Japanese civilians for decades, and has rebuffed all attempts at negotiating their release. The US has never offered much support to Japan - one of it’s allies - either. Yet a couple Americans get nabbed, and a former US President is winging his way there in a heartbeat, and winds up getting them freed and giving them a ride home. And still, on the question of Japanese captives - who never even entered NK, but were kidnapped from their own country - the US maintains utter silence.
Good point, they are right to be angry.
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Charpete67 Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:45:59pm |
re: #278 Shiplord Kirel
True enough, but the Democrats have been the preferred party of kooks at least since the late 19th century and the bloviating creationist William Jennings Bryan. It is the party of resentment and envy, of “the man” keeping us down through some unfair advantage, of magical thinking and work-free solutions. From Bryan’s Silver Crusade through Woodrow Wilson’s addle-brained racist idealism, FDR’s crypto-socialism, and LBJ’s Great Society, the rejection of reality has been their stock in trade.
Kookery is natural for them, as any visit to a major Dem event will illustrate. The GOP must distinguish itself from this or lose its identity.
exactly…if these birthers would just shut the hell up…the dems would remain the party of kooks.
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hous bin pharteen Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:46:21pm |
re: #274 transient
It works for Kos. Why not with us! :-)
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:46:29pm |
re: #292 drcordell
Don’t you have a bridge you should be lurking under, troll?
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LC LaWedgie Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:46:49pm |
re: #289 WinterCat
Well, just hope she doesn’t move in on your block and start inviting friends over for pj parties.
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SixDegrees Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:47:14pm |
re: #268 Killgore Trout
First Live Specimen of Fish With Transparent Head Discovered and Filmed
Damn, that’s cool.
Will they name it the Obama Fish, because of it’s transparency?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:47:40pm |
re: #296 hous bin pharteen
Because this blog is supposed to have standards. The only standard at the Kos is Sartre’s “No enemies to the left.”
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Ben Hur Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:48:25pm |
re: #285 Dark_Falcon
Huh? McCain isn’t dangerous to anyone.
Dude can’t use a Blackberry!
If he were pres now we would have trillion dollar deficits, would be tested and mocked world-wide, racialism would be the flavor of the term.
Let me stop there. I’m shaking just thinking about it.
Not dangerous.
Sheesh.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:48:55pm |
re: #281 ArchangelMichael
Over a year and a half of Conservative bloggers howling about this just went below your radar?
Forest, trees… Do I need to explain the progression of how he could be clueless? ;)
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yochanan Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:48:57pm |
re: #273 Killgore Trout
this issure started by the PUMA’S not the GOP. and it should have died there.
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Dianna Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:49:17pm |
re: #242 Dark_Falcon
Point taken. Forgive me, I should have remembered that.
It’s OK. I needn’t have brought it up, come to think of it, as you’re right, statistically speaking.
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Idle Drifter Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:49:20pm |
re: #269 Yashmak
Compensating for moving targets does up the difficulty hence the first missed shot. Though that may have been due to an excited jerk of the trigger as the bullet missed the entire car.
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jcm Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:49:21pm |
re: #287 reloadingisnotahobby
Transparant Head?…
That could be handy…Or Not!
I can see what you’re thinking!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:49:24pm |
re: #268 Killgore Trout
First Live Specimen of Fish With Transparent Head Discovered and Filmed
Fish heads, fish heads
Roly poly transparent fish heads
Fish heads, fish heads
Eat them up, yum!
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jill e Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:50:19pm |
re: #301 Ben Hur
Dude can’t use a Blackberry!
If he were pres now we would have trillion dollar deficits, would be tested and mocked world-wide, racialism would be the flavor of the term.
Let me stop there. I’m shaking just thinking about it.
Not dangerous.
Sheesh.
Mandy! Mandy!
/heh
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drcordell Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:50:26pm |
re: #297 Dark_Falcon
Don’t you have a bridge you should be lurking under, troll?
I just have an interest in getting the psychotic theocrat base of the GOP out of power so that we can have some rational political discourse in this country. We are fighting two wars, have a shrinking economy, healthcare costs that are rising 15% a year and all I hear about are teabaggers and birth certificates.
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esch Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:50:53pm |
re: #299 SixDegrees
Damn, that’s cool.
Will they name it the Obama Fish, because of it’s transparency?
heh.
“Let me be clear”
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transient Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:51:06pm |
Re: Dems (apparently) voting for Obama despite being unsure of his citizenship.
Based on the admittedly anecdotal evidence of one friend, I believe that at least some liberals are fully capable of voting for someone knowing that he is a foreign citizen (and knowing he is disqualified under the Constitution), for the same reason they believe that there are no illegal immigrants: borders should not exist, and the concept of nationhood is obsolete.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:51:13pm |
re: #309 drcordell
You don’t get out much if that is all you have heard.
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Ben Hur Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:51:52pm |
WE should be discussing how vaccines cause terrorism.
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jcm Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:51:58pm |
re: #312 FurryOldGuyJeans
You don’t get out much if that is all you have heard.
He’s grounded till he takes out the trash.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:52:01pm |
re: #284 SixDegrees
And there are reports that Lee and Ling were in China when the North Koreans nabbed ‘em. I’m sure there should be someone out there who will question them as to where they were and what they were doing when they were taken by the North Koreans.
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Ben Hur Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:52:08pm |
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:52:10pm |
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Ben Hur Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:52:31pm |
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avanti Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:52:55pm |
re: #250 tradewind
So the more I hear about the Ling/Liu release thing, the more I wonder if the whole thing was a set-up from the start. Why?
Al Gore as their boss… check
They just wander across the DMZ? check
Even though they were tried and convicted in March, they had yet to start to serve even one day of their sentence? check
Not saying this is the case, I just think it might bear looking into.
Everyone came out a winnah. Bubba got back in the saddle, Kim got to show off an ex-president… yada yada…
Now that’s a conspiracy I never would have thought of. BTW, I thought they crossed the border in China, one does not easily cross the DMZ.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:53:23pm |
re: #284 SixDegrees
And another reason that Clinton rushed in to claim ‘em was because they worked for Gore’s CurrentTV.
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yochanan Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:53:25pm |
re: #309 drcordell
the birth cert issue was started by the clinton campaign as they did not have real differences with the zero I as a republican (R.I.N.O) have real differences so I don’t need such fluff.
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Ward Cleaver Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:53:34pm |
re: #284 SixDegrees
Another point I haven’t seen mentioned here, although it was being batted around in the European press, is - the Japanese are totally pissed about this. NK has been systematically kidnapping Japanese civilians for decades, and has rebuffed all attempts at negotiating their release. The US has never offered much support to Japan - one of it’s allies - either. Yet a couple Americans get nabbed, and a former US President is winging his way there in a heartbeat, and winds up getting them freed and giving them a ride home. And still, on the question of Japanese captives - who never even entered NK, but were kidnapped from their own country - the US maintains utter silence.
Why are the Japanese being kidnapped from Japan?
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Jack Burton Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:53:36pm |
re: #282 Land Shark
And even if many Democrats are 9/11 troofer nut jobs, so what? Does it mean we Republicans have to go nuts too with some stupid ass conspiracy?
None of these douche bag conspiracies started in the GOP or Democrat Party. They all came out of kook libertarian land via people like Alex Jones. They were the ones harping about the NWO during both the GHW Bush and Clinton administrations. Most troofers are/were 2 steps or less away from being a kook in “compound” somewhere screaming to Canada on a short wave radio to recognize his “Sovereign state” (which is his grandmothers basement).
With the Troofers, when the target or “bad guy” was Bush, many Democrats uncritically hopped on the bandwagon. Now with the Nirthers, that the target is Obama, the GOP is uncritically hopping on the bandwagon.
Everyone needs to stop giving any credibility to Alex Jones KOOKS in Conspiracyville in the first place, even when they are saying something you think you want to hear (like the Extreme Leftist President is ineligible) and this crap wont happen.
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doppelganglander Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:53:57pm |
re: #309 drcordell
I just have an interest in getting the psychotic theocrat base of the GOP out of power so that we can have some rational political discourse in this country. We are fighting two wars, have a shrinking economy, healthcare costs that are rising 15% a year and all I hear about are teabaggers and birth certificates.
So, are you suggesting that Charles should post on other topics that are more to your liking?
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SixDegrees Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:54:25pm |
re: #309 drcordell
I just have an interest in getting the psychotic theocrat base of the GOP out of power so that we can have some rational political discourse in this country. We are fighting two wars, have a shrinking economy, healthcare costs that are rising 15% a year and all I hear about are teabaggers and birth certificates.
The GOP holds no power at the moment. If you don’t like the way things are going, you’ll have to talk to the Democrats. The GOP has no control over anything taking place in the Federal government right now, and won’t until January 2011 at the very soonest.
Take your gripes to the majority party. They run things.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:54:27pm |
re: #321 avanti
There isn’t a DMZ between China and North Korea. In fact, according to what I’ve read - the border in the area Ling and Lee supposedly crossed isn’t demarcated at all.
It’s not like the line separating North and South Korea across the DMZ.
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hous bin pharteen Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:54:29pm |
re: #263 keithgabryelski
Your “ass” must be too tight. Take some constipation medicine. 1 1/2 years and 2 posted links? Two? Wow. Keeping people informed.
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pianobuff Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:55:04pm |
re: #309 drcordell
I just have an interest in getting the psychotic theocrat base of the GOP out of power so that we can have some rational political discourse in this country. We are fighting two wars, have a shrinking economy, healthcare costs that are rising 15% a year and all I hear about are teabaggers and birth certificates.
Translation: Damn straight I’m a troll!!!
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JustABill Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:55:16pm |
re: #324 Ward Cleaver
Why are the Japanese being kidnapped from Japan?
Mostly to teach NK spies how to look and behave like Japanese, if I recall correctly.
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avanti Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:55:51pm |
re: #329 lawhawk
There isn’t a DMZ between China and North Korea. In fact, according to what I’ve read - the border in the area Ling and Lee supposedly crossed isn’t demarcated at all.
It’s not like the line separating North and South Korea across the DMZ.
That was my point, I’m pretty sure you’d know when you entered the DMZ.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:55:52pm |
I guess it’s just going to be one of those days.
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jcm Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:56:09pm |
re: #316 lawhawk
And there are reports that Lee and Ling were in China when the North Koreans nabbed ‘em. I’m sure there should be someone out there who will question them as to where they were and what they were doing when they were taken by the North Koreans.
It was all arranged by Bill so he could have and entire trans Pac flight alone with them…
/// now that’s a conspiracy!
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:56:12pm |
re: #299 SixDegrees
Damn, that’s cool.
Will they name it the Obama Fish, because of it’s transparency?
Only if they find out that it attax.
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Ward Cleaver Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:56:29pm |
re: #299 SixDegrees
Damn, that’s cool.
Will they name it the Obama Fish, because of it’s transparency?
Empty head? Definitely an 0bamafish.
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Ben Hur Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:56:39pm |
re: #322 lawhawk
And another reason that Clinton rushed in to claim ‘em was because they worked for Gore’s CurrentTV.
And he authorized the operation.
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SixDegrees Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:57:00pm |
re: #316 lawhawk
And there are reports that Lee and Ling were in China when the North Koreans nabbed ‘em. I’m sure there should be someone out there who will question them as to where they were and what they were doing when they were taken by the North Koreans.
I hadn’t heard that, but it makes sense. They were writing a story about the traffic between China and NK, focusing on the large number of North Koreans who risk their lives to sneak across the border into China to find work and send food back to their families. It isn’t out of the question that they were caught while sneaking back and forth across the border themselves, a major crime in both NK and China.
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esch Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:57:45pm |
re: #309 drcordell
I just have an interest in getting the psychotic theocrat base of the GOP out of power so that we can have some rational political discourse in this country. We are fighting two wars, have a shrinking economy, healthcare costs that are rising 15% a year and all I hear about are teabaggers and birth certificates.
I’ll take theocrats over murderous radical marxists, thanks.
And your claim of “rational discourse” is destroyed when you whip out the already tired and trite “teabag” joke.
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jcm Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:58:03pm |
re: #329 lawhawk
There isn’t a DMZ between China and North Korea. In fact, according to what I’ve read - the border in the area Ling and Lee supposedly crossed isn’t demarcated at all.
It’s not like the line separating North and South Korea across the DMZ.
Same with the Iran border the hikers crossed. It’s easy for the innocent parties to cross or for the Norks or Iranians to make a “mistake” of a couple of miles and nab some trading cards.
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avanti Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:58:03pm |
re: #338 Ben Hur
And he authorized the operation.
Actually, the NORKS asked for Bill. A former President gave the Dear Leader bragging points.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:58:17pm |
re: #320 WinterCat
Loves it! I don’t doubt that there is at least one Paulian in that protest group, but the did take on a pompous Democrat grandee and gave better than they got.
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hous bin pharteen Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:58:42pm |
re: #276 Ben Hur
Unfortunately, in my yard, the “weeds” they grow are not so good to smoke.
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Charpete67 Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:59:50pm |
re: #344 Dark_Falcon
Loves it! I don’t doubt that there is at least one Paulian in that protest group, but the did take on a pompous Democrat grandee and gave better than they got.
erie canal=stimulus package and universal health care?
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Ben Hur Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:59:58pm |
re: #324 Ward Cleaver
Why are the Japanese being kidnapped from Japan?
Because that’s where the majority of Japanese live.
Much easier to find them, and the world won’t notice one or two missing.
Kidnapp a Japanese person in, let’s say, Iraq, people may find out.
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Dianna Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:00:00pm |
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SixDegrees Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:00:05pm |
re: #324 Ward Cleaver
Why are the Japanese being kidnapped from Japan?
Beats the hell out of me. It’s been going on for years, though.Here’s an article based on older information; recently, more such kidnappings have come to light, although I’m not sure they’ve been officially recognized. The practice seems to be larger than the information in this article suggests, although it’s all sort of vague.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:00:06pm |
re: #309 drcordell
I just have an interest in getting the psychotic theocrat base of the GOP out of power so that we can have some rational political discourse in this country. We are fighting two wars, have a shrinking economy, healthcare costs that are rising 15% a year and all I hear about are teabaggers and birth certificates.
Last time I checked, the GOP is out of power - and has been since 2008. In fact, the GOP lost the Congress in 2006. Since 2006, the economy has gone in a tailspin, having nothing to do with the spending on the wars. It has everything to do with government demand to expand homeownership to those who should never have been extended credit - and the ensuing correction of the real estate market that set off the credit crisis since no one could figure out the valuations of any paper derived from the bad real estate holdings.
Besides, health care costs have been rising for years - and have been rising beyond the rate of inflation regardless of who is in charge.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:00:28pm |
re: #341 Ben Hur
Sub Zero.
Now, Plain Zero!
“Yeah, he was real pain in the neck.”
/ upding for The Running Man reference.
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Ben Hur Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:00:53pm |
re: #343 avanti
Actually, the NORKS asked for Bill. A former President gave the Dear Leader bragging points.
I meant Gore OK’d his employees going over there.
And I have a weird feeling the people of North Korea still think Bill is president and were told it was an ass kissing state visit.
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Ben Hur Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:01:34pm |
re: #345 hous bin pharteen
Unfortunately, in my yard, the “weeds” they grow are not so good to smoke.
I feel your pain.
I have no yard.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:01:36pm |
re: #351 lawhawk
Last time I checked, the GOP is out of power - and has been since 2008. In fact, the GOP lost the Congress in 2006. Since 2006, the economy has gone in a tailspin, having nothing to do with the spending on the wars. It has everything to do with government demand to expand homeownership to those who should never have been extended credit - and the ensuing correction of the real estate market that set off the credit crisis since no one could figure out the valuations of any paper derived from the bad real estate holdings.
Besides, health care costs have been rising for years - and have been rising beyond the rate of inflation regardless of who is in charge.
There you go again, throwing facts at a troll as if you expect them to stick. Never happen.
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Born Again Republican Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:02:01pm |
re: #233 Alouette
If Charles has an agenda, it’s to prevent kooks from looking like Republicans.
Limbaugh made an interesting observation. He says he has to prove to New York tax accounts 13 different ways where he’s been to see if he owes them taxes. But Obama can get away with just a copy of his birth certificate.
John Kerry’s issue with Swift Boat is he wouldn’t release his medical records.
That pisses people off and drives them further to get the truth. I’m not sure that makes them a kook. I can understand people’s frustration with this issue. Especially given that the man is being shown to lie.
Anyway, before the election was the time to push this issue.
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Ojoe Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:02:53pm |
re: #340 esch
IMHO no difference between theocrats and marxists if actually governing.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:03:12pm |
Some Jewish lizards were lamenting the fact the Orly Taitz is Jewish. At the time I dismissed their concerns but Stormfront (and probably the Paulians) are all wound up over this revelation…
Why is Orly Taitz in Israel Two Days After Submitting a Forged Obama Birth Certificate to a US Federal Court?
Sigh.
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keithgabryelski Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:03:30pm |
re: #311 transient
Re: Dems (apparently) voting for Obama despite being unsure of his citizenship.
Based on the admittedly anecdotal evidence of one friend, I believe that at least some liberals are fully capable of voting for someone knowing that he is a foreign citizen (and knowing he is disqualified under the Constitution), for the same reason they believe that there are no illegal immigrants: borders should not exist, and the concept of nationhood is obsolete.
wow, what a bukakke of b.s. all wrapped up in one paragraph.
Bare assertion: unsure of citizenship
No one is unsure of President Obama’s citizenship. Some people are willfully ignorant of facts that have been laid out in front of them.
President Obama has presented his birth certificate, the opposition has not presented one shred of evidence to refute this.
Strawman: liberals believe there are no illegal immigrants
Strawman: borders should not exist
Strawman: nationhood is obsolete.
I’m a liberal. I grew up in San Diego and am well aware of the problems as well as the benefits of illegal immigration. No one of any merit is suggesting an open boarder policy or that this collection of states should not be sovereign.
I am suggesting you read a little about or engage in conversation your fellow Americans that stand slightly to the left of you that you are so quickly to vilify with your currently woefully inaccurate assumptions of their views.
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Dianna Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:03:30pm |
re: #358 Ojoe
IMHO no difference between theocrats and marxists if actually governing.
The Devil would have to behave like God, were he in charge?
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jcm Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:03:39pm |
re: #356 Born Again Republican
Limbaugh made an interesting observation. He says he has to prove to New York tax accounts 13 different ways where he’s been to see if he owes them taxes. But Obama can get away with just a copy of his birth certificate.
John Kerry’s issue with Swift Boat is he wouldn’t release his medical records.
That pisses people off and drives them further to get the truth. I’m not sure that makes them a kook. I can understand people’s frustration with this issue. Especially given that the man is being shown to lie.Anyway, before the election was the time to push this issue.
J F’n K won’t release his DD-214.
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SFGoth Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:03:43pm |
re: #276 Ben Hurre: #254 hous bin pharteen
I think, on Daily Kos, 83% of dems are pot smokers, 36% are meth heads.
DONT BLAME THE WEED.
It’s funny how some (many?) ostensibly conservative people keep tying marijuana to the left. Sure, you’re going to have more weed smokers being liberal, if not least because they’re breaking federal law, but from 10 years of observation and personal discussion, I can confidently tell you that among the landlord-tenant attorney community here in S.F., the landlord lawyers way dominate the tenant attorneys as far as weed goes. Generally, among people I know, regardless of profession, the stoners tend to be more conservative or libertarian types. You kind of have to be to survive the madness out here.
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Sharmuta Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:04:05pm |
This is an anti-idiotarian blog. For me, that still means something. I worry that with some, anti-idiotarianism has become something to discard when inconvenient. I guess for me it’s not a concept so much as it’s a standard. Making excuses for kookery is not anti-idiotarian. Whining about exposing kooks is not anti-idiotarian.
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Ben Hur Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:04:13pm |
Toally OT.
I watched Rocky for like the millionth time this past weekend on Spike.
For the first time I discovered what I now think is the best line ever delivered on film.
When Adrian finally makes it to the ring to hug Rocky, he asks, “Where’s your hat?”
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Dianna Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:04:44pm |
re: #359 Killgore Trout
I don’t think a sigh will cover this one. How about a deep growl?
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avanti Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:05:32pm |
re: #353 Ben Hur
I meant Gore OK’d his employees going over there.
And I have a weird feeling the people of North Korea still think Bill is president and were told it was an ass kissing state visit.
The Dear Leader told his peasants that Bill apologized, but he denied it. It was a feather in Dear Leaders cap to meet with Bill, but I prefer that to sending someone actually in power. The Norks can claim it was a big deal, we can claim it was a private mission. Thank God, Jessie Jackson did not go.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:06:02pm |
re: #364 buzzsawmonkey
I just didn’t think anyone would make a big deal out of it. Now the conspiracy theories are conspiracies engineered by the Jews and the New World Order. I underestimated the level of insanity.
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SFGoth Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:06:19pm |
re: #366 Ben Hur
Toally OT.
I watched Rocky for like the millionth time this past weekend on Spike.
For the first time I discovered what I now think is the best line ever delivered on film.
When Adrian finally makes it to the ring to hug Rocky, he asks, “Where’s your hat?”
Nahhh, it’s from the original Taking of Pelham 123, in response to the question where is inspector Garner: “Even great men have to pee.” Brilliant.
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Dianna Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:06:19pm |
re: #363 SFGoth
There are plenty of pot smokers everywhere, and I wish they’d keep their smelly, irritating habit out of concert venues.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:06:21pm |
re: #356 Born Again Republican
Comparing apples to oranges. Tax law has set rules - and NY needs the revenue, so the Dept. of Tax and Finance makes you jump through hoops to affirmatively show that you aren’t subject to NY tax.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:06:38pm |
re: #365 Sharmuta
This is an anti-idiotarian blog. For me, that still means something. I worry that with some, anti-idiotarianism has become something to discard when inconvenient. I guess for me it’s not a concept so much as it’s a standard. Making excuses for kookery is not anti-idiotarian. Whining about exposing kooks is not anti-idiotarian.
It only matters when it is Their Kooks. When it is Our Kooks, well, nothing to see here, move along. Same thinking about the bums in Congress.
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Yashmak Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:07:31pm |
re: #356 Born Again Republican
Anyway, before the election was the time to push this issue.
It WAS pushed then, and found to have no more substance then than it does now.
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SFGoth Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:07:35pm |
re: #372 Dianna
There are plenty of pot smokers everywhere, and I wish they’d keep their smelly, irritating habit out of concert venues.
You’d prefer the smell of Bud Lite? Ewww.
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jcm Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:07:47pm |
OT…
More than 50 years of dependable service is a lot to ask, especially from a tool used to train thousands of people in a critical and sometimes dangerous business.But as men and women in the U.S. Air Force said farewell to the T-37 Tweet July 31, they did so knowing they got all they asked for and more from the venerable training aircraft.
T-6 Texan II the new trainer.
T-6 Texan / SNJ / Harvard (the original) was the WWII mainstay trainer.
/ aviation geek mode
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Ben Hur Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:08:19pm |
re: #372 Dianna
There are plenty of pot smokers everywhere, and I wish they’d keep their smelly, irritating habit out of concert venues.
Et Tu, Dianna?
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hous bin pharteen Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:09:13pm |
re: #353 Ben Hur
They might think Hillary is actually in charge, not Obama.
Or Obama is just a clone. But he has not had a sex scandal yet, so they have a misconception.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:09:25pm |
re: #372 Dianna
There are plenty of pot smokers everywhere, and I wish they’d keep their smelly, irritating habit out of concert venues.
Agreed. I hate smoking that I can’t avoid. It makes my cough, and I don’t like breathing in toxins.
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Ben Hur Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:09:26pm |
The kid who played young Forrest Gump served in Iraq.
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yochanan Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:09:37pm |
re: #360 keithgabryelski
democrats don’t push the illegal issue because they want the Latino vote and they have pushed reforms to make illegals citizens.
listen to a donk pol and out of his/her mouth will be ‘undocumented worker’ not ‘illegal’
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Desert Dog Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:09:39pm |
re: #268 Killgore Trout
First Live Specimen of Fish With Transparent Head Discovered and Filmed
[Video]
How long before they are the menu at trendy Tokyo sushi bars?
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Ben Hur Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:10:00pm |
re: #380 Dark_Falcon
Agreed. I hate smoking that I can’t avoid. It makes my cough, and I don’t like breathing in toxins.
If you don’t cough, you don’t get off.
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Idle Drifter Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:10:23pm |
re: #377 jcm
OT…
T-6 Texan II the new trainer.
T-6 Texan / SNJ / Harvard (the original) was the WWII mainstay trainer./ aviation geek mode
I wish I had the capital for those birds.
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Dahveed Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:10:39pm |
OYYY! When will this madness end?
This stupidity by the Nirthers is migraine-inducing.
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Dianna Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:10:40pm |
re: #376 SFGoth
You’d prefer the smell of Bud Lite? Ewww.
Since Bud Lite, while dreadful beer, does not make my throat swell or my eyes itch, yes.
It’s just fine, btw, that people can’t smoke cigarettes inside a concert hall. But no one says word one about pot, and I really, really, get pissed off about it.
A friend of mine, who does not smoke either cigarettes or pot, commented at a Joan Osborne show that should someone light a cigarette, they would be treated with less sympathy and understanding than a child molester, yet people smiled at people lighting up their pipes.
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avanti Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:11:21pm |
White House reverses Iran election comment by Gibbs.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:11:48pm |
re: #385 Ben Hur
If you don’t cough, you don’t get off.
I’ll forgo getting off in favor of not getting carcinogens in my lungs, thank you very much. Lung cancer is a nasty way to die.
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tradewind Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:12:04pm |
Clearly another conservative conspiracy to distract the media’s attention from the main problem in America, getting Obama’s health care bill passed. Those wingnuts are sooo tricky!
[Link: www.thewrap.com…]
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hous bin pharteen Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:12:07pm |
re: #354 Ben Hur
How about mosquito’s? Do you have at least them? There are some I have that you can borrow.
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UFO TOFU Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:12:13pm |
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Charpete67 Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:12:24pm |
re: #380 Dark_Falcon
Agreed. I hate smoking that I can’t avoid. It makes my cough, and I don’t like breathing in toxins.
..I hate having to eat all those HO HO’s
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Ben Hur Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:12:30pm |
re: #390 Dark_Falcon
I’ll forgo getting off in favor of not getting carcinogens in my lungs, thank you very much. Lung cancer is a nasty way to die.
That’s tobacco.
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Dianna Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:13:00pm |
re: #390 Dark_Falcon
I’ll forgo getting off in favor of not getting carcinogens in my lungs, thank you very much. Lung cancer is a nasty way to die.
Not one of the three people I know personally who died of lung cancer smoked, nor did their spouses.
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Ben Hur Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:13:08pm |
re: #392 hous bin pharteen
How about mosquito’s? Do you have at least them? There are some I have that you can borrow.
Effen mosquitos.
Yea.
We got em.
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SpaceJesus Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:13:51pm |
what the hell. this country needs to make a choice.
it’s either the south, or spacejesus. can’t have both anymore.
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eschew_obfuscation Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:14:21pm |
re: #399 spacejesus
what the hell. this country needs to make a choice.
it’s either the south, or spacejesus. can’t have both anymore.
Bye.
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Ben Hur Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:14:35pm |
re: #397 Dianna
Not one of the three people I know personally who died of lung cancer smoked, nor did their spouses.
I 100% beleive that’s why Christopher Reeve’s wife’s death wasn’t turned into a cause.
She died of lung cancer yet didn’t smoke.
If she was a smoker…
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:14:50pm |
re: #399 spacejesus
what the hell. this country needs to make a choice.
it’s either the south, or spacejesus. can’t have both anymore.
Um…yes, well…
You checked in because they were talking about pot, didn’t you?
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Jack Burton Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:14:54pm |
re: #397 Dianna
Not one of the three people I know personally who died of lung cancer smoked, nor did their spouses.
Asbestos or just bad genes and bad air?
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doubter4444 Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:14:56pm |
re: #5 wrenchwench
I’m almost there. But building a new party is a decades-long job, whereas I think remaking the Repubs could be merely a years-long job. The question is how many years.
I’m almost there too, what I see from both side sickens me; however, it seems to the Republicans are spiraling out of control, and violence is going to happen soon, my guess is at a Town Hall “meeting”.
I think a new party made up of fed up, like-minded people from both sides it not a bad idea.
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Desert Dog Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:15:04pm |
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SixDegrees Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:15:41pm |
re: #389 avanti
White House reverses Iran election comment by Gibbs.
Good to hear.
Too bad the White House already handed Shrimpy a huge propaganda prize on a silver platter with it’s original endorsement of his Presidency.
And it’s so comforting to know that on insignificant, minor matters like this the Administration has it’s collective head up it’s ass so badly that they’re issuing completely contradictory statements within hours of each other.
Mmmm…smell the competence!
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Dianna Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:15:50pm |
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Dahveed Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:15:58pm |
re: #400 yochanan
when the chicago FUBS win the W.S.
Might just be this year. They’re hot right now.
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doubter4444 Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:16:33pm |
re: #11 Dianna
One very small point - exciting politics generally means that a very bad time is about to be had by all.
True that.
And things seems to be getting exciting these days.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:17:00pm |
re: #399 spacejesus
what the hell. this country needs to make a choice.
it’s either the south, or spacejesus. can’t have both anymore.
You sure made that choice easy, bye.
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avanti Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:17:01pm |
re: #408 SixDegrees
Good to hear.
Too bad the White House already handed Shrimpy a huge propaganda prize on a silver platter with it’s original endorsement of his Presidency.
And it’s so comforting to know that on insignificant, minor matters like this the Administration has it’s collective head up it’s ass so badly that they’re issuing completely contradictory statements within hours of each other.
Mmmm…smell the competence!
Anyone else think Obama should toss Gibbs under the bus ? Surely he can find someone better to run a presser.
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Jack Burton Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:17:57pm |
re: #413 avanti
There isn’t any room left under the bus.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:17:59pm |
re: #410 Dahveed
Might just be this year. They’re hot right now.
Being hot now doesn’t matter. See ya in September. I don’t hate the Cubs, BTW.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:18:00pm |
re: #413 avanti
Anyone else think Obama should toss Gibbs under the bus ? Surely he can find someone better to run a presser.
Nah. Leave Gibbs be. He does a good job at making the administration look like a bunch of clowns.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:18:04pm |
re: #408 SixDegrees
Good to hear.
Too bad the White House already handed Shrimpy a huge propaganda prize on a silver platter with it’s original endorsement of his Presidency.
And it’s so comforting to know that on insignificant, minor matters like this the Administration has it’s collective head up it’s ass so badly that they’re issuing completely contradictory statements within hours of each other.
Mmmm…smell the competence!
But OMO is STYLISH, and that is really what matters.
/ FMSM
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:18:25pm |
re: #410 Dahveed
Might just be this year. They’re hot right now.
Yeah, they’re in first place right now. Go Cubs! This Year is Next Year!
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Desert Dog Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:18:25pm |
re: #413 avanti
Anyone else think Obama should toss Gibbs under the bus ? Surely he can find someone better to run a presser.
He is only saying what the boss tells him, albeit poorly.
It should be a law that only Stand Up comedians can be press secretaries. Then, at least we would like to watch the press conferences.
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Scion9 Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:18:31pm |
re: #413 avanti
Anyone else think Obama should toss Gibbs under the bus ? Surely he can find someone better to run a presser.
No way. I’m in love with that guy. He’s almost as good as Biden at getting the administration’s message out.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:19:11pm |
re: #417 Honorary Yooper
Nah. Leave Gibbs be. He does a good job at making the administration look like a bunch of clowns.
Gibbs is just a reflection of the competence throughout the administration. Remember quite a number of Clinton cronies were rehired.
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SixDegrees Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:19:21pm |
re: #413 avanti
Anyone else think Obama should toss Gibbs under the bus ? Surely he can find someone better to run a presser.
It doesn’t matter how good the waiter is if the kitchen is serving turds.
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Ben Hur Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:19:41pm |
re: #417 Honorary Yooper
Nah. Leave Gibbs be. He does a good job at making the administration look like a bunch of clowns.
Sort of like why the MSM loves pushing this Nirther business.
See?
We’ve come full circle.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:19:47pm |
re: #413 avanti
Gibbs isn’t going to get thrown under the bus for that. Too insignificant. After all, he was just talking about the Iranian people who got screwed with his pronouncements. Get back to me when he starts talking about real Americans. ///
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:19:51pm |
re: #424 SixDegrees
It doesn’t matter how good the waiter is if the kitchen is serving turds.
I am so stealing that! ;)
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yochanan Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:20:08pm |
re: #408 SixDegrees
WISH IN ONE HAND and defecate in the other see which gets full of ‘competence’ first.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:20:30pm |
re: #415 ArchangelMichael
There isn’t any room left under the bus.
Then Obama should use his own program and trade in his old bus for a new turbo-electric hybrid bus. Those do exist, and several are in service in Chicago. I rode on one of them yesterday.
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jcm Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:20:33pm |
re: #424 SixDegrees
It doesn’t matter how good the waiter is if the kitchen is serving turds.
White or red with your turd sir?
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yochanan Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:21:00pm |
re: #410 Dahveed
and how did they do in the post season last year?
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Charpete67 Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:21:01pm |
re: #427 lawhawk
Gibbs isn’t going to get thrown under the bus for that. Too insignificant. After all, he was just talking about the Iranian people who got screwed with his pronouncements. Get back to me when he starts talking about real Americans. ///
yeah…it’s not like he called a white cop stupid or anything…
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Dahveed Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:21:28pm |
re: #416 Cannadian Club Akbar
Being hot now doesn’t matter. See ya in September. I don’t hate the Cubs, BTW.
With as poorly as the Cubs played in the first half to be in first now is pretty impressive. They are building some nice momentum going into September.
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jcm Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:21:37pm |
re: #430 Dark_Falcon
Then Obama should use his own program and trade in his old bus for a new turbo-electric hybrid bus. Those do exist, and several are in service in Chicago. I rode on one of them yesterday.
Those the buses with peddles at every seat?
//
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avanti Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:21:37pm |
re: #417 Honorary Yooper
Nah. Leave Gibbs be. He does a good job at making the administration look like a bunch of clowns.
I guess that was my point. BTW, Bush had the best guy in recent memory, classy guy.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:21:55pm |
re: #413 avanti
Anyone else think Obama should toss Gibbs under the bus ? Surely he can find someone better to run a presser.
The shallower the stream, the louder the babble.
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yochanan Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:22:07pm |
re: #430 Dark_Falcon
Then Obama should use his own program and trade in his old bus for a new turbo-electric hybrid bus. Those do exist, and several are in service in Chicago. I rode on one of them yesterday.
and there is slow and there is CTA SLOW.
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transient Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:22:15pm |
re: #360 keithgabryelski
wow, what a bukakke of b.s. all wrapped up in one paragraph.
Bare assertion: unsure of citizenship
No one is unsure of President Obama’s citizenship. Some people are willfully ignorant of facts that have been laid out in front of them.
President Obama has presented his birth certificate, the opposition has not presented one shred of evidence to refute this.Strawman: liberals believe there are no illegal immigrants
Strawman: borders should not exist
Strawman: nationhood is obsolete.I’m a liberal. I grew up in San Diego and am well aware of the problems as well as the benefits of illegal immigration. No one of any merit is suggesting an open boarder policy or that this collection of states should not be sovereign.
I am suggesting you read a little about or engage in conversation your fellow Americans that stand slightly to the left of you that you are so quickly to vilify with your currently woefully inaccurate assumptions of their views.
Wow, olympic pole vault to conclusionville on your part.
I very specifically stated that I think this is the belief of some liberals. By no means do I assume it to be mainstream Democratic viewpoint.
Most of my friends and relatives are Democrats and liberals, I am not unsympathetic to liberal perspectives, and I am quite a bit better acquainted with that point of view than you comprehend.
My comment made no statement about my personal beliefs about illegal immigration, because I am well aware that it is a very complex issue with pros and cons on both sides of the political spectrum. I did have a very brief argument with a friend (from SoCal not incidentally) about illegal immigrants. He did not recognize that they are illegal. Whatever one believes about what should be done to or for illegal immigrants, it seems a pretty basic thing to understand that if you have broken the laws of the USA to come to this country, you are here illegally. By definition. If you do not recognize that as a fact, then you essentially do not recognize the right of a nation to its borders. It is a fact that I have a friend that believes this. I cannot believe that he is so highly original as to be the only person in the USA to have similar feelings. So it is not a huge leap on my part to assume that some (perhaps small) contingent of liberals believe the same.
However, you took my very carefully limited comment and blew it up to massive generalization.
Fine straw man you’ve got there yourself.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:23:13pm |
Well, Obama is now busy giving away still more money to promote electric vehicles.
Memo to Obama - having electric cars is one thing - having the generating capacity to power ‘em is quite another, and not everyone stands to benefit from electric vehicles. Sure, urban dwellers might, but not everyone lives in an urban area and not everyone can afford such vehicles (or a second vehicle) that will allow them to go beyond the range of the electric vehicle.
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SFGoth Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:23:39pm |
re: #384 buzzsawmonkey
I would like to suggest that music you have to be ripped to listen to is of questionable quality to begin with.
You are, of course, making a false assumption, that being that one has to be “ripped” (whatever that means) to listen to music. Even at the opera and the ballet, they sell alcohol in the foyer. I quite enjoy listening to Blue Oyster Cult while I soberly drive my car, and I enjoy it even more when I’m not legally capable of driving. You know, people ingest chemicals because they can enhance sensory experiences. But you’re obviously a neo-prohibitionist — no one should ingest anything that affects their mental or physical processes recreationally.
| 446 |
Ward Cleaver Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:23:45pm |
re: #359 Killgore Trout
Some Jewish lizards were lamenting the fact the Orly Taitz is Jewish. At the time I dismissed their concerns but Stormfront (and probably the Paulians) are all wound up over this revelation…
Why is Orly Taitz in Israel Two Days After Submitting a Forged Obama Birth Certificate to a US Federal Court?Sigh.
That must have them tied up in knots.
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eschew_obfuscation Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:23:52pm |
Interesting take on what’s causing health care cost inflation and how to fix it.
Art Laffer … again.
An effective cure begins with an accurate diagnosis, which is sorely lacking in most policy circles. The proposals currently on offer fail to address the fundamental driver of health-care costs: the health-care wedge.The health-care wedge is an economic term that reflects the difference between what health-care costs the specific provider and what the patient actually pays. When health care is subsidized, no one should be surprised that people demand more of it and that the costs to produce it increase. Mr. Obama’s health-care plan does nothing to address the gap between the price paid and the price received. Instead, it’s like a negative tax: Costs rise and people demand more than they need.
.
.
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Rather than expanding the role of government in the health-care market, Congress should implement a patient-centered approach to health-care reform. A patient-centered approach focuses on the patient-doctor relationship and empowers the patient and the doctor to make effective and economical choices.A patient-centered health-care reform begins with individual ownership of insurance policies and leverages Health Savings Accounts, a low-premium, high-deductible alternative to traditional insurance that includes a tax-advantaged savings account. It allows people to purchase insurance policies across state lines and reduces the number of mandated benefits insurers are required to cover. It reallocates the majority of Medicaid spending into a simple voucher for low-income individuals to purchase their own insurance. And it reduces the cost of medical procedures by reforming tort liability laws.
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doubter4444 Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:23:57pm |
re: #29 Charles
Wow.
A Nirthblogger who redefines crazy:
[Link: usapatriots-shout.blogspot.com…]
(Google cache link.)
Featuring this video: Obama Poisoned His Grandmother.
[Video]
This page is very similar to the page of James Von Brunn.
| 449 |
Yashmak Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:24:17pm |
re: #425 Ben Hur
Sort of like why the MSM loves pushing this Nirther business.
Point is, they’re not really having to push this issue. It’s like fruit laying on the ground, for them to pick up, no real effort involved. Imagine being an investigative reporter who has the good fortune to see a bribe accepted by a public official right in front of you. That’s what these nirthers are providing to the media, easy pickings. It’s on a significant portion of the conservative ‘blogs, it’s on the lips of a significant minority of GOP congressmen. .
They’d almost deserve blame for NOT reporting the story, given that it’s in everyone’s face even without any media involvement.
| 450 |
Jack Burton Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:24:33pm |
re: #430 Dark_Falcon
Then Obama should use his own program and trade in his old bus for a new turbo-electric hybrid bus. Those do exist, and several are in service in Chicago. I rode on one of them yesterday.
I’m glad to see that they are in use somewhere. City buses are an ideal application for non-serial hybrid engines. As are garbage trucks. Driving 80 mph to work on the freeway in a Prius… not so much.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:24:38pm |
re: #437 avanti
I guess that was my point. BTW, Bush had the best guy in recent memory, classy guy.
One man’s sacred cow is another’s Big Mac.
| 452 |
yochanan Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:24:38pm |
FRANKLY it should be child abuse to turn your kid into a cub fan.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:25:09pm |
re: #436 jcm
Those the buses with peddles at every seat?
//
No, though turbo-electric drive systems do suffer from power-to-weight problems. That said, they also have advantages, such as not needing to change gears to reverse direction, since all you need to do is reverse the direction of the electric motor. For the same reason, they do not need long driveshafts.
| 455 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:25:58pm |
re: #453 saylorfam
Start your own blog so Charles can go there and tell YOU want to post.
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Ben Hur Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:26:15pm |
re: #449 Yashmak
Point is, they’re not really having to push this issue. It’s like fruit laying on the ground, for them to pick up, no real effort involved. Imagine being an investigative reporter who has the good fortune to see a bribe accepted by a public official right in front of you. That’s what these nirthers are providing to the media, easy pickings. It’s on a significant portion of the conservative ‘blogs, it’s on the lips of a significant minority of GOP congressmen. .
They’d almost deserve blame for NOT reporting the story, given that it’s in everyone’s face even without any media involvement.
The Troofers were not given this type of MSM attention (I’m not talking blogs) and were not used as a club to beat Dems with.
And they did, and continue to do 1 million times more damage to this country than Nirthers.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:26:17pm |
re: #451 FurryOldGuyJeans
One man’s sacred cow is another’s Big Mac.
I ate a Whopper for lunch and shit a press conference.
| 458 |
Ward Cleaver Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:26:29pm |
re: #444 lawhawk
Well, Obama is now busy giving away still more money to promote electric vehicles.
Memo to Obama - having electric cars is one thing - having the generating capacity to power ‘em is quite another, and not everyone stands to benefit from electric vehicles. Sure, urban dwellers might, but not everyone lives in an urban area and not everyone can afford such vehicles (or a second vehicle) that will allow them to go beyond the range of the electric vehicle.
Not to mention that you have to have a 220v outlet (think electrician, special permit in some cities, etc.) in your garage, or wait forever (12-14hrs) for them to recharge on 110.
| 459 |
Yashmak Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:27:13pm |
re: #445 SFGoth
I quite enjoy listening to Blue Oyster Cult while I soberly drive my car, and I enjoy it even more when I’m not legally capable of driving.
The long version of Astronomy is a mind-blowing piece of guitar-work.
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Desert Dog Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:27:16pm |
re: #437 avanti
I guess that was my point. BTW, Bush had the best guy in recent memory, classy guy.
I hope you mean Tony Snow, not Scott Mcclellan
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Desert Dog Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:27:59pm |
re: #442 buzzsawmonkey
Especially if you brook no opposition.
Doesn’t matter, we are all up sh*t creek anyway
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:28:16pm |
re: #460 Desert Dog
I hope you mean Tony Snow, not Scott Mcclellan
There are no friendly alligators.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:28:45pm |
re: #452 yochanan
FRANKLY it should be child abuse to turn your kid into a cub fan.
SMACK!
We’ll see who is laughing come next month when the Cubs beat the SUX in the make-up game at Wrigley Field. The they’ll make the playoffs and then, God willing, the World Series. Go Cubs!
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keithgabryelski Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:29:36pm |
That’s probably the best benefit I’ve seen from there: #382 yochanan
democrats don’t push the illegal issue because they want the Latino vote and they have pushed reforms to make illegals citizens.
listen to a donk pol and out of his/her mouth will be ‘undocumented worker’ not ‘illegal’
Political correctness of the “undocumented worker” has some value over “illegal immigrant” given the value assigned to “illegal” vs. the amount of illegal activity (besides the undocumented worker part) that exists among these people.
Democrats certainly want the Latino vote, so do Republicans. If Latinos see some modicum of respect in the use of one of these terms over the other, well, damn … use it.
We see differently, the reasons for why Democrats use these words and look at reforming the immigration laws in the ways they are.
You see (it seems) something sinister, a mere desire for that extra vote. I see a liberal ideal of understanding good people coming across the boarder for reasonable reasons doing damn fine back breaking work with very little ability to change their situation once they are in the cycle of undocumented worker status.
I want to see less illegal immigration.
I also want to see better laws that help our farmers get the workers they need to tend crops.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:30:28pm |
re: #457 SasquatchOnSteroids
I ate a Whopper for lunch and shit a press conference.
The truth is simple. HARD, but simple.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:31:05pm |
re: #445 SFGoth
You are, of course, making a false assumption, that being that one has to be “ripped” (whatever that means) to listen to music. Even at the opera and the ballet, they sell alcohol in the foyer. I quite enjoy listening to Blue Oyster Cult while I soberly drive my car, and I enjoy it even more when I’m not legally capable of driving. You know, people ingest chemicals because they can enhance sensory experiences. But you’re obviously a neo-prohibitionist — no one should ingest anything that affects their mental or physical processes recreationally.
More Cowbell!
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Dahveed Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:31:18pm |
re: #452 yochanan
FRANKLY it should be child abuse to turn your kid into a cub fan.
On the first day of school, a kindergarten teacher explains to her class that she is a White Sox fan. She says, who else in here is a White Sox fan? None of the kindergarteners really care, but they want to be like their teacher. Everybody raises their hand except for one little girl. The teacher asks the little girl why she isn’t raising her hand. The girl says, “Because I’m a Cubs fan.” The teacher is annoyed. She asks, “Why are you a Cubs fan?” The girl says, “My mom and dad are Cubs fans, and I’m a Cubs fan too.” The teacher says, “That’s no reason to be a Cubs fan. What is your mom was a moron, and your dad was a moron. What would you be then?” The girl smiles and says, “Then, I’d be a Sox fan.”
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Yashmak Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:31:44pm |
re: #456 Ben Hur
The Troofers were not given this type of MSM attention (I’m not talking blogs) and were not used as a club to beat Dems with.
I’m not so sure about that, I recall seeing more than a few articles about the Troofers back in the day on MSNBC and Reuters. They (even the liberal media outlets) were by and large as dismissive points the Troofers were blabbering about, as they are of the Nirthers now.
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saylorfam Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:32:11pm |
OUCH! Sorry for expressing an honest opinion. I expected comment but a deletion as downdings? Clearly I touched a nerve.
Charles, trust me when I tell you that I appreciate all that you do here. Sorry to ruffle so many feathers.
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transient Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:32:35pm |
re: #360 keithgabryelski
Bare assertion: unsure of citizenship
No one is unsure of President Obama’s citizenship. Some people are willfully ignorant of facts that have been laid out in front of them.
President Obama has presented his birth certificate, the opposition has not presented one shred of evidence to refute this.
Also, to clarify:
The “bare assertion” was based on the chart at the top of this thread (did you look at it?) It was also a response to several comments earlier in the thread about how a certain % of those voting for Obama believed he was not a citizen, or weren’t sure.
One commenter suggested this was because they didn’t know that being a native US citizen is a requirement for the Presidency.
I was merely offering another perspective on that comment.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:34:14pm |
re: #468 Dahveed
On the first day of school, a kindergarten teacher explains to her class that she is a White Sox fan. She says, who else in here is a White Sox fan? None of the kindergarteners really care, but they want to be like their teacher. Everybody raises their hand except for one little girl. The teacher asks the little girl why she isn’t raising her hand. The girl says, “Because I’m a Cubs fan.” The teacher is annoyed. She asks, “Why are you a Cubs fan?” The girl says, “My mom and dad are Cubs fans, and I’m a Cubs fan too.” The teacher says, “That’s no reason to be a Cubs fan. What is your mom was a moron, and your dad was a moron. What would you be then?” The girl smiles and says, “Then, I’d be a Sox fan.”
Oh, SNAP!
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kansas Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:37:19pm |
re: #424 SixDegrees
It doesn’t matter how good the waiter is if the kitchen is serving turds.
In Obamaland turds are served fast.
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keithgabryelski Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:37:46pm |
re: #441 transient
I very specifically stated that I think this is the belief of some liberals. By no means do I assume it to be mainstream Democratic viewpoint.
It is a fact that I have a friend that believes this. I cannot believe that he is so highly original as to be the only person in the USA to have similar feelings. So it is not a huge leap on my part to assume that some (perhaps small) contingent of liberals believe the same.
So, what is it? “some liberals” or have you leaped to a “contingent of liberals”?
And if it “so small” why are you classifying them as liberal-something instead of just Americans.
I think I nailed your position — I’m sure you disagree, though.
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Dahveed Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:37:48pm |
re: #472 Dark_Falcon
Oh, SNAP!
I hear this kind of stuff from White Sox fans everyday. My entire family is made up of White Sox fans. So I know how to talk to them.
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SFGoth Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:37:49pm |
re: #459 Yashmak
The long version of Astronomy is a mind-blowing piece of guitar-work.
The long version of any Blue Oyster Cult song is a mind-blowing piece of guitar work. Buck Dharma is perhaps rock’s most underrated guitarist, and what really makes his playing awe-inspiring is that he does not stick to a rote version and can really express himself within the parameters of the song he’s playing - live. Charles, post some Buck Dharma threads! How I wish I could’ve seen them circa 1975, just before Reaper.
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Picayune Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:39:10pm |
OT: Rand Paul (Ron’s son) just announced on Niel Cavuto’s Fox Show that he’s running for the Kentucky U S Senate seat as a R. Ron scheduled to help at fund-raisers.
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Salamantis Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:40:16pm |
re: #205 Dark_Falcon
I’m not opposed to her release. She never actually killed anyone and she’s spent most of her life in prison. Provided she is supervised, she can be let go.
Maybe she can visit John Hinkley Jr.
/?
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OldLineTexan Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:43:14pm |
re: #414 buzzsawmonkey
Any master tailor knows how to do that.
Well, that explains it. Gibbs didn’t work at a tailor, he was a shrimp boat apprentice.
/
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OldLineTexan Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:45:49pm |
re: #465 keithgabryelski
I really hate to do this, but it’s “border”.
Unless you are making some sort of complex pun, that is.
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drcordell Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:49:07pm |
re: #326 buzzsawmonkey
Why don’t you clean your own house, and get rid of the psychotic socialists and statists who are actively engaging in shrinking the economy and putting what remains of it under government control? Then you can get rid of the psychotic antipatriotic appeasers who think that America should apologize to the world for its very existence, and who think that endless negotiation flapdoodle is preferable to victory in war.
When your own house is cleansed, come back and we’ll talk.
Right. Actively shrinking the economy and putting it under government control. Are you Glenn Beck’s sockpuppet? Do you actually understand the definition of Socialism or did you just go read a bumper sticker?
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keithgabryelski Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:51:01pm |
re: #481 OldLineTexan
I really hate to do this, but it’s “border”.
Unless you are making some sort of complex pun, that is.
Nope, you nailed it. I should proof-read twice.
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transient Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:52:51pm |
re: #474 keithgabryelski
So, what is it? “some liberals” or have you leaped to a “contingent of liberals”?
And if it “so small” why are you classifying them as liberal-something instead of just Americans.
I think I nailed your position — I’m sure you disagree, though.
We do disagree. You don’t know f*** all about my positions, you barely understood what I had to say on this one. Pretty arrogant on your part.
On that specific issue, of whether someone might deliberately vote for a Democratic candidate, believing he is not a citizen or unsure, it seems fairly obvious that it would be far more likely to be a liberal/ Democrat.
And “postmodernist” nonrecognition of state borders and “right” of free migration is closer to a left wing position than a right wing position (which tends towards ultranationalist).
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drcordell Wed, Aug 5, 2009 1:57:58pm |
re: #485 buzzsawmonkey
Maybe you missed the government taking over General Motors, meddling in Chrysler and in the financial sector, and trying to take over health care. Maybe you missed the government’s moronic efforts to increase the cost of energy, which will shrink the economy like hot water on an unsanforized cotton shirt. Maybe you don’t think government ownership/control of the means of production is Socialist. But if that is so, you’re an idiot.
Oh, yes—I read a bumper sticker too.
By the government I assume you mean the Bush administration, whose footsteps were followed by the Obama administration? If you honestly believe that Obama’s imperative is to seize as much private industry as possible and put it under government control, why didn’t he nationalize the banking industry? Why did he simply cut them a $1 trillion dollar check to cover their losses, and let them continue making billions in profits?
You have no idea what you are talking about. Even accounting for all of the Bush/Obama bailouts, just .21% of the economy has “fallen under government control.” That is, if you consider a pile of nearly free taxpayer money to be “control.” Here is a link to the graph of what your dreaded “socialism” looks like.
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drcordell Wed, Aug 5, 2009 2:00:02pm |
re: #485 buzzsawmonkey
Maybe you missed the government taking over General Motors, meddling in Chrysler and in the financial sector, and trying to take over health care. Maybe you missed the government’s moronic efforts to increase the cost of energy, which will shrink the economy like hot water on an unsanforized cotton shirt. Maybe you don’t think government ownership/control of the means of production is Socialist. But if that is so, you’re an idiot.
Oh, yes—I read a bumper sticker too.
Oh, and I should mention that thus far the only thing that has actually been “socialized” are corporate losses. How many billions in quarterly bank profits have been confiscated by the Obama administration thus far? Zero. Shocking. If anything the man is a shameless whore bought and sold by corporate America. Open your eyes.
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agarrett Wed, Aug 5, 2009 2:00:30pm |
I saw a post recently (h/t National Review), that gave the best explanation for birtherism I’ve seen yet - it also applies to other idiocies, like 9/11 trutherism. [Link: www.juliansanchez.com…]
Anyway, the basic claim is that this is a symbolic belief. Something that you treat like a religious belief, and don’t really believe to be fact. He takes as evidence the fact that most people who profess these beliefs don’t really follow through to the logical conclusions - like calling for impeachment.
He goes on to say that you should treat this like ordinary political hyperbole (Bush is a Fascist! Obama is a Socialist! I use too many exclamation points!) We’re used to that style, but not to something that should be considered factual.
I still disagree with birthers, of course, but found this explanation interesting, and reasonably believable.
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Salamantis Wed, Aug 5, 2009 2:01:52pm |
re: #323 yochanan
the birth cert issue was started by the clinton campaign as they did not have real differences with the zero I as a republican (R.I.N.O) have real differences so I don’t need such fluff.
It is not particularly flattering for the GOP for its nutters to have to steal their anti-Obama conspiracy theories from the Clintons, of all people.
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Salamantis Wed, Aug 5, 2009 2:04:28pm |
re: #326 buzzsawmonkey
Why don’t you clean your own house, and get rid of the psychotic socialists and statists who are actively engaging in shrinking the economy and putting what remains of it under government control? Then you can get rid of the psychotic antipatriotic appeasers who think that America should apologize to the world for its very existence, and who think that endless negotiation flapdoodle is preferable to victory in war.
When your own house is cleansed, come back and we’ll talk.
The fact that it is incumbent upon the Dems to cleanse their own party of their nutters does not change the fact that it is up to the Repubs to cleanse our own party of ours.
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Salamantis Wed, Aug 5, 2009 2:06:32pm |
re: #340 esch
I’ll take theocrats over murderous radical marxists, thanks.
And your claim of “rational discourse” is destroyed when you whip out the already tired and trite “teabag” joke.
I’d prefer not to take either one.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Aug 5, 2009 2:07:00pm |
re: #491 buzzsawmonkey
I do not see drcordell as having any place in that enterprise.
because you have refused to free your mind …
/
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keithgabryelski Wed, Aug 5, 2009 2:07:23pm |
re: #484 transient
On that specific issue, of whether someone might deliberately vote for a Democratic candidate, believing he is not a citizen or unsure, it seems fairly obvious that it would be far more likely to be a liberal/ Democrat.
It preposterous to think any American would vote for a foreigner for president. Yes, there are exceptions — but they are in the noise. Let’s not glom unreasonable people in to the majority parties.
This is what I saw you doing. You claim you weren’t — I take you on your word that wasn’t your intention.
I can argue your side, by saying the statement: some Republicans would vote for Arnold Schwarzenegger for president knowing he was not a natural born citizen of this country — but I would choose not to use the Republican modifier because it is not the determinant class of people that would do so. “People who ignore the constitution” is better.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 5, 2009 2:07:46pm |
re: #479 Salamantis
Maybe she can visit John Hinkley Jr.
/?
Well, that might impress Jody Foster.
///
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sattv4u2 Wed, Aug 5, 2009 2:08:37pm |
re: #408 SixDegrees
Mmmm…smell the competence!
Republican ads for 2012
TIME FOR THE ADULTS TO BE BACK IN CHARGE
or
ON THE JOB TRAINING NOT REQUIRED
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transient Wed, Aug 5, 2009 2:21:04pm |
re: #494 keithgabryelski
It preposterous to think any American would vote for a foreigner for president. Yes, there are exceptions — but they are in the noise. Let’s not glom unreasonable people in to the majority parties.
I don’t think it’s preposterous, but I do agree it amounts to “noise.” In any case, it can only be to your credit that you consider it preposterous. Maybe I’m too cynical.
This is what I saw you doing. You claim you weren’t — I take you on your word that wasn’t your intention.
Thank you.
I can argue your side, by saying the statement: some Republicans would vote for Arnold Schwarzenegger for president knowing he was not a natural born citizen of this country — but I would choose not to use the Republican modifier because it is not the determinant class of people that would do so. “People who ignore the constitution” is better.
And I would agree with you here too—although there is not even a hint of what the numbers would be. I assume it would also be “noise” on the Rep side.
I also acknowledge that calling people “undocumented workers” is less inflammatory and more useful when one is engaging in policy debate. When I use the term “illegal” I feel no animosity, but as a matter of definition one must acknowledge that even if they are hard working, valuable members of our communities, they have broken our laws to arrive here. (And that is the only thing that *I* understand by the term “illegal.”) What we as a society choose to do about illegals / undocumented workers (if anything) is an entirely different question, and one that is so complex I admit I do not have any answers.
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LeslieG Wed, Aug 5, 2009 4:49:45pm |
I think Jonah Goldberg nails the Nirthers in this post at the Corner: “Birthers of a Nation & The Paranoid Style of American Liberalism”
Snippet:
…Now, it may be foolish for birthers to assume that Obama’s refusal to release the full birth certificate is proof that he’s foreign born (as opposed to assuming he’s simply trying to gin up a controversy or conceal something else entirely) but is it really more crazy than thinking the United States government orchestrated 9/11?
There was also Michael Moore who insisted that Bush knew where Osama Bin Laden was but the president was simply keeping him on ice (Moore also believed OJ was innocent, for the record). The vast bulk of the left agreed with the Moore vision that Bush always knew there were no WMDs but “lied us into war” for ulterior motives. Those alleged motives varied in outlandishness, to be sure, but for a long while there no theory was crazy enough to earn much scorn from the Olbermanns and Conasons. When Moore’s film Fahrenheit 9/11 opened in DC, Democrats flocked to the premiere, unconcerned with the paranoid delusions and deceits it contained. Click here to see then DNC chair Terry McAuliffe looking gaga as he shakes Moore’s hand.
Oh and let’s not forget all of the nonsense during, and in the wake of, Hurricane Katrina when several prominent figures made all sorts of crazy statements. Randall Robinson said that blacks — and only blacks — were eating the flesh of the dead almost immediately after the flooding. Spike Lee and others insisted that the levees might have been bombed by the Bush administration in order to kill or scatter black residents of New Orleans. Cynthia McKinney says the American forces rounded up and executed 5,000 “prisoners” and dumped in the swamps of Louisiana.
Meanwhile, the GOP leadership and the vast majority of rightwing and conservative pundits have either rejected or ignored the birther stuff (including Ann Coulter and Pat Buchanan). But the GOP is supposed to own it. Democrats, meanwhile, were never held to a remotely similar standard when a far more evil and pervasive bout of paranoia claimed their own party. Funny how that works.
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Born Again Republican Wed, Aug 5, 2009 6:15:22pm |
re: #373 lawhawk
Comparing apples to oranges. Tax law has set rules - and NY needs the revenue, so the Dept. of Tax and Finance makes you jump through hoops to affirmatively show that you aren’t subject to NY tax.
Limbaugh completely pulled his business out of NY many years ago yet they audit him every year and make him prove 13 ways where he’s been.
I can see his point about Obama getting away with a copy. But then I’m a nut. Of course, who isn’t these days.
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Trippin Wed, Aug 5, 2009 6:40:00pm |
Answering “No” in this poll doesn’t necessarily indicate you’re a Birther. A lot of people who answered “No” may very well believe he’s a US citizen, but they’re just not sure if he was actually born inside the US. Asking “Do you believe Barack Obama is a US citizen” would have been a more relevant question to ask.
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hous bin pharteen Wed, Aug 5, 2009 8:34:31pm |
re: #330 hous bin pharteen
My bad. I screwed up. Sorry Keith. My ID says I have done “0”. When I usually do several each week, just to pass stuff on. But I just had to be funny with that post. Sorry ;-(
It most mean the number of links that Charles puts a headline on.
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keithgabryelski Wed, Aug 5, 2009 9:01:50pm |
re: #501 hous bin pharteen
My bad. I screwed up. Sorry Keith. My ID says I have done “0”. When I usually do several each week, just to pass stuff on. But I just had to be funny with that post. Sorry ;-(
It most mean the number of links that Charles puts a headline on.
They are the “spin-off links” which appear just after the article. Click on the green words “spinoff links” and you can add your own.
btw, I only know this because I asked about it a couple of weeks ago.
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