Daredevil #11, ‘A Time to Unmask’

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Tonight’s cover photo from the Lizard Collection: issue #11 of Daredevil, published in December 1965. In this story, Daredevil goes up against a community organizer named (oddly enough) “The Organizer,” who is using a political party called the “Reform Party” for his own evil ends, aided by a gang of animal-themed criminals including Cat Man, Frog Man, Bird Man, and of course, Ape Man.

The Lizard Collection copy is in our usual excellent condition, with unfaded white pages and bright inks.

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1093 comments
1 albusteve  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:11:43pm

"the Organizers Identity To Be Revealed!"

2 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:14:56pm

re: #1 albusteve

"the Organizers Identity To Be Revealed!"

Soros?

3 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:16:05pm

Get home.
Try to remember where I hid my computer.
Search.
Nothing. Sit down. Have a smoke.
Look else where.
Kick chair.
Remember the whole memo about saving ice for drinks.
Yell back at the cat who told me to fuck off.
Get attacked by cat.
Found computer.
Evening Honcos!!!!

4 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:18:39pm

re: #3 Cannadian Club Akbar

Get home.
Try to remember where I hid my computer.
Search.
Nothing. Sit down. Have a smoke.
Look else where.
Kick chair.
Remember the whole memo about saving ice for drinks.
Yell back at the cat who told me to fuck off.
Get attacked by cat.
Found computer.
Evening Honcos!!!

You missed... stuff. Lucky bastard.

5 abolitionist  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:20:01pm

re: #2 JasonA

Soros?

Don't think he wears that much eye makeup.

6 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:20:54pm

re: #4 JasonA

You missed... stuff. Lucky bastard.

I don't scan threads so, yes, I'm lucky. And a bastard.:)

7 Digital Display  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:22:13pm

re: #3 Cannadian Club Akbar

Get home.
Try to remember where I hid my computer.
Search.
Nothing. Sit down. Have a smoke.
Look else where.
Kick chair.
Remember the whole memo about saving ice for drinks.
Yell back at the cat who told me to fuck off.
Get attacked by cat.
Found computer.
Evening Honcos!!!

I just saw my favorite scene in Rocky...
The part where he wakes up and drinks 5 raw eggs and goes running...
I think one time in your life every person should wake up and drink 6 raw eggs ( Frick that wussy Rocky) And go running... Hopefully puke...
It's a coming of age thing...
/

8 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:24:01pm

re: #7 HoosierHoops

I have an ex GF who looks like Talia Shire (sp?) in one scene. So shit. Spitting image.

9 Kragar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:24:42pm

Dont forget when Daredevil teamed up with Uri Geller.

Image: DaredevilUri.jpg

10 Digital Display  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:27:56pm

re: #8 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have an ex GF who looks like Talia Shire (sp?) in one scene. So shit. Spitting image.

All sports guys hate her..Every single movie until she thankfully die she was always messing with Rock's ability to fight...Everybody hated her..Even when she was in a coma...
/It's always a woman!
*wink*

11 Fionn MacCumhaill  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:28:22pm

Sigh. All of my comics from that era are long gone. The very first Marvel comic that I ever read was a Daredevil.

12 Nimed  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:29:06pm

re: #2 JasonA

Soros?

The father of all evil organizers - Alinsky!

13 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:34:59pm

re: #3 Cannadian Club Akbar

Get home.
Try to remember where I hid my computer.
Search.
Nothing. Sit down. Have a smoke.
Look else where.
Kick chair.
Remember the whole memo about saving ice for drinks.
Yell back at the cat who told me to fuck off.
Get attacked by cat.
Found computer.
Evening Honcos!!!

Good evening!
I see you've done a better job this evening selecting the time to make your appearance.

14 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:36:23pm

re: #13 reine.de.tout

Good evening!
I see you've done a better job this evening selecting the time to make your appearance.

It wasn't done by choice. And prolly a good thing.

15 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:37:59pm

Hola Honco Lizards!
*waves*
Another droolishious comic book!

16 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:39:42pm

My new fav-o-rite song.

Youtube Video
17 Digital Display  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:40:49pm

re: #15 Floral Giraffe

Hola Honco Lizards!
*waves*
Another droolishious comic book!

Hi You!
I'm up stupid late but I want to finish watching Rocky for the 5 millionth time..
/Like a moth to the flame Floral

18 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:41:24pm

Tonight's hate mail, from someone using AOL, titled "Uganda:"

Charles, if you were planning on visiting Uganda, I promise not to them about your lifestyle. I'm sure you enjoy being open in San Fransico and being able to visit those bath houses.

19 albusteve  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:43:09pm

re: #3 Cannadian Club Akbar

Get home.
Try to remember where I hid my computer.
Search.
Nothing. Sit down. Have a smoke.
Look else where.
Kick chair.
Remember the whole memo about saving ice for drinks.
Yell back at the cat who told me to fuck off.
Get attacked by cat.
Found computer.
Evening Honcos!!!

junk bro, my computer finds me

20 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:43:32pm

re: #18 Charles

Tonight's hate mail, from someone using AOL, titled "Uganda:"

Yeah, i remember you mentioning to us that a lot of the right-wing hatemail included homophobia. Funny, that...

21 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:43:47pm

re: #18 Charles

Tonight's hate mail, from someone using AOL, titled "Uganda:"


Charles, if you were planning on visiting Uganda, I promise not to them about your lifestyle. I'm sure you enjoy being open in San Fransico and being able to visit those bath house.

Dude. WTF?

22 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:45:46pm

I wanna say my head might splody, but ignorance is actually funny.

23 albusteve  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:46:19pm

re: #18 Charles

Tonight's hate mail, from someone using AOL, titled "Uganda:"

on your way over to the Mother Land, check out these guys
Over Africa

Youtube Video
24 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:47:43pm

re: #18 Charles

Tonight's hate mail, from someone using AOL, titled "Uganda:"

Let me guess. He's not from Uganda and the spelling and grammatical errors are not intentional.

25 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:48:47pm

re: #24 Gus 802

Let me guess. He's not from Uganda and the spelling and grammatical errors are not intentional.

At first I thought Charles was being asked to help move 10 million dollars.

26 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:48:56pm

re: #20 JasonA

Yeah, i remember you mentioning to us that a lot of the right-wing hatemail included homophobia. Funny, that...

Ah, but it is the wingnut poo-poo!

Here's let me show you in this Powerpoint presentation...

//

27 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:49:52pm

re: #21 Cannadian Club Akbar

Charles, if you were planning on visiting Uganda, I promise not to them about your lifestyle. I'm sure you enjoy being open in San Fransico and being able to visit those bath house.

Dude. WTF?

It's another one of those "Charles is gay!1" assholes. They think because Charles does not bash gays, he must be gay. It's a frequent Stalker Blog meme, and one of Rodan's favorites.

28 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:50:24pm

Ladysmith Black Mambazo - Hello My Baby

Youtube Video

Africa is one of those places that get under your skin, second only to India.
29 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:51:40pm

re: #26 Gus 802

Ah, but it is the wingnut poo-poo!

Here's let me show you in this Powerpoint presentation...

//

You know, I wish I could explain to them that people who aren't homophobic aren't the ones most bothered by gay jokes. After that I'd like to graphically describe wut dey do wit da poo poo!

30 albusteve  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:51:48pm

all unNeville Brotherists step this way------>
re ed time

Youtube Video
31 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:51:52pm

re: #27 Dark_Falcon

It's another one of those "Charles is gay!1" assholes. They think because Charles does not bash gays, he must be gay. It's a frequent Stalker Blog meme, and one of Rodan's favorites.

Mommy! Joey said I'm gay!

//

32 Digital Display  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:51:54pm

re: #18 Charles

Tonight's hate mail, from someone using AOL, titled "Uganda:"

Very interesting..Having grown up north of the City not many people would know about the old bath houses...Suttro has been shut down since I was a kid I think...Who brings up bath houses? How weird...
I'll bet that dudes Therapy sessions are pricey...

33 albusteve  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:52:41pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Ladysmith Black Mambazo - Hello My Baby

[Video]
Africa is one of those places that get under your skin, second only to India.

there you have it...thanks for those guys

34 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:52:42pm

Impala is quite delicious.
/Namaste, Y'all

35 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:53:03pm

re: #27 Dark_Falcon

It's another one of those "Charles is gay!1" assholes. They think because Charles does not bash gays, he must be gay. It's a frequent Stalker Blog meme, and one of Rodan's favorites.

That's just it, though. They don't really think he's gay. They just think that since gay jokes offend them that it must work on everyone.

36 pingjockey  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:54:03pm

Charles really gets the nicest mail. ///////

37 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:54:46pm

re: #36 pingjockey

Charles really gets the nicest mail. ///

Only because he's gay.
///

38 albusteve  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:54:51pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Impala is quite delicious.
/Namaste, Y'all

I'll say...
Image: 1959-chevrolet-impala-convertible-3.jpg

39 Joo-LiZ  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:57:08pm

re: #18 Charles

Tonight's hate mail, from someone using AOL, titled "Uganda:"

I don't even understand that one =S

40 Joo-LiZ  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:57:32pm

re: #39 Joo-LiZ

I don't even understand that one =S

(I get the gay reference, but why Uganda?)

41 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:58:21pm

re: #40 Joo-LiZ

(I get the gay reference, but why Uganda?)

Oh, because we watched a video the other night about the anti-homosexual movement in Uganda.

42 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:58:26pm

re: #40 Joo-LiZ

(I get the gay reference, but why Uganda?)

I think they want to kill gays there.

43 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:58:38pm

re: #40 Joo-LiZ

The hate monger ministers thread maybe?

44 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:59:29pm

Here's the thread. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

45 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 8:59:30pm

re: #40 Joo-LiZ

(I get the gay reference, but why Uganda?)



Video: Missionaries of Hate
Religion %P% Mon, May 31, 2010 at 6:36:16 pm PDT

Here’s a must-see documentary on the American evangelists who are spreading murderous homophobic hatred in Africa.

46 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:00:26pm

re: #35 JasonA

That's just it, though. They don't really think he's gay. They just think that since gay jokes offend them that it must work on everyone.

Good point.

47 albusteve  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:02:57pm

I would like to rule Africa for about 30yrs....I'd hire Disney to help me figure out what to do with it...get rid off all governments first, find and pump water, put the land to till, then casinos, wild animal rides....etc

48 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:03:04pm

You know who is gay? Bert and Ernie. Fascist bastards. Fucking PBS.
/

49 albusteve  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:03:58pm

re: #48 Cannadian Club Akbar

You know who is gay? Bert and Ernie. Fascist bastards. Fucking PBS.
/

BLASPHEMY!
APOLOGIZE!

50 Digital Display  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:04:03pm

re: #48 Cannadian Club Akbar

You know who is gay? Bert and Ernie. Fascist bastards. Fucking PBS.
/

Commies also

51 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:04:26pm

re: #47 albusteve

I think Somalia shows us what happens once the governments are gone.

52 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:05:20pm

re: #51 JasonA

I think Somalia shows us what happens once the governments are gone.

And it ain't pretty.

53 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:05:37pm

re: #50 HoosierHoops

Commies also

Hitler was gay, too. Yup, I heard from one of them there ministers. (Again, an example of how calling someone gay shows how homophobic you are.)

54 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:05:40pm

re: #48 Cannadian Club Akbar

You know who is gay? Bert and Ernie. Fascist bastards. Fucking PBS.
/

Damn Muppets.

You know who else liked felt?

/

55 albusteve  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:06:06pm

re: #51 JasonA

I think Somalia shows us what happens once the governments are gone.

McDonalds can fix it...

56 Racer X  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:06:28pm

re: #50 HoosierHoops

Commies also

But they have minty-fresh breath.

Image: v6En8.jpg

57 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:06:32pm

re: #53 JasonA

Hitler was gay, too. Yup, I heard from one of them there ministers. (Again, an example of how calling someone gay shows how homophobic you are.)

We can call it Gaywin's law.

/

58 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:07:23pm

re: #54 Gus 802

I'm all about felt needs.

59 freetoken  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:07:36pm

re: #55 albusteve

McDonalds can fix it...

Speaking of which, McDonald's new ad in France:

Youtube Video
60 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:07:46pm

Gay Muppets!! Obama!! IT IS A CONSPIRACY!!!

61 darthstar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:08:47pm

Hm...it appears there's a movie called "The Devil Wears Nada" on Cinemax tonight...anyone seen it? It's not rated, so I'm assuming it's good for the whole family.

62 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:08:48pm

re: #58 Irenicum

I'm all about felt needs.

You say that now but wait until the Reverend Fred Felts shows up at your house screaming, "God hates Muppets!"

//

63 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:09:24pm

re: #59 freetoken

Speaking of which, McDonald's new ad in France:


[Video]

Yeah, I saw that. Maybe the religious fundamentalists should boycott McDonald's for pandering to the homosexual crowd.

Me? I'm just hoping it helps bring down obesity over here.

64 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:09:50pm

re: #62 Gus 802

Well they do have this thing about hands being up their...

65 Digital Display  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:10:06pm

re: #60 Cannadian Club Akbar

Gay Muppets!! Obama!! IT IS A CONSPIRACY!!!

You are one step away from profiling Muppets.. It's a slippery slope

66 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:10:11pm

re: #61 darthstar

Hm...it appears there's a movie called "The Devil Wears Nada" on Cinemax tonight...anyone seen it? It's not rated, so I'm assuming it's good for the whole family.

I'm sure it is fine.
/

67 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:10:17pm

Well, this is a brief report on the first big rally in downtown San Francisco today from 4:30-6:30PM. We *very* few, we proud Zionists, gathered at 456 Montgomery Street, across from the Israeli Consulate. We were surrounded by mobs of anti-semites, Israel haters, moonbats, and other self-loathing Jews (Jewish Voice for Peace). There was a mob in front of us, several hundred strong and for some reason the SFPD permitted us to be boxed in with angry Palestinians to our left and right. They screamed lie after lie at us. On either side, Cal Berkeley SJP (Students for Justice in Palestine) taunted us and tried to start fights; "KILL THE JEWS!" was a common theme. Of course I recognized several of them from past rallies.

The police did a decent job keeping them at bay and near the end, we did get a police escort (via motorbikes) to someone's office building to hide until the crowds dispersed. However, the SFPD did fall down on the job and didn't listen to us when they should have. Many of us have been to enough rallies to know who is who by now and just because someone is dressed nicely with a camera, doesn't mean they're just another photographer looking to snap photos for the heck of it. So I got to babysit a Palestinian photographer for a while till he scurried away.

I took many photos and I hope to have them up tonight. I'll link to them using LGF Pages.

Another large rally is planned for Saturday, probably at the Civic Center (near city hall) in San Francisco, and then there's Israel in the Gardens at the Yerba Buena Center on Sunday. I'm sure the Israel haters won't want to miss that.

Channel 2, 5, and 7 were there, along with some indy media (a raving joke in the Bay Area). A few of our people were interviewed by the major networks.

68 albusteve  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:10:27pm

warlords dig McDonalds, then Pizza King, that sort of thingre: #59 freetoken

Speaking of which, McDonald's new ad in France:


[Video]

I miss the connection...not a bad commercial for another sort of product tho

69 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:10:39pm

I've always loved you Kermie!!!
///

70 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:12:17pm

re: #45 Gus 802

The director of the film actually sent me a tweet today to thank me for linking the video.

71 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:12:45pm

I love it when a thread spirals out of control.

72 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:12:58pm

re: #70 Charles

The director of the film actually sent me a tweet today to thank me for linking the video.

Nice.

73 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:13:05pm

re: #18 Charles

Tonight's hate mail, from someone using AOL, titled "Uganda:"

Why can't any of these people spell 'San Francisco' properly? Hmph.

74 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:13:55pm

re: #67 eclectic infidel

Watch the video in this comment. You'll like it:
re: #750 Joo-LiZ

75 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:13:59pm

re: #62 Gus 802

And he would make a great puppet! Oh the hours of fun that could be had with that little character online! Hey kids, it's time for the Phred Felt show!!!

76 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:14:36pm

re: #73 SanFranciscoZionist

Why can't any of these people spell 'San Francisco' properly? Hmph.

Seriously. Don't they know... San Francisco... F-r-i-s-c-o... Frisco!

//Jumps into fox hole.

//

77 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:14:38pm

re: #70 Charles

Very cool. It's nice to be recognized.

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:14:48pm

re: #31 Gus 802

Mommy! Joey said I'm gay!

//

There's an Irish feminist group that does postcards. One of my favorites shows a smug looking little girl. Her little brother is yelling, "Daddy! Alice won't let me a lesbian!"

79 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:14:48pm

re: #70 Charles

The director of the film actually sent me a tweet today to thank me for linking the video.

That's cool!

80 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:14:58pm

So, more Marvel Comics, and no DC! And what is DC? It's our nation's capitol. Charles hates DC! He's a commie pinko Marvel Comics lover! To the chalkboard!!
/

81 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:15:51pm

Ah, you guys crack me up. Good medicine.

82 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:16:17pm

re: #80 Mad Al-Jaffee

So, more Marvel Comics, and no DC! And what is DC? It's our nation's capitol. Charles hates DC! He's a commie pinko Marvel Comics lover! To the chalkboard!!
/

I thought hating the beltway was the "in" thing???

83 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:16:30pm

re: #80 Mad Al-Jaffee

So, more Marvel Comics, and no DC! And what is DC? It's our nation's capitol. Charles hates DC! He's a commie pinko Marvel Comics lover! To the chalkboard!!
/

You know who else liked Marvel Comics?!

/

84 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:17:10pm

re: #83 Gus 802

You know who else liked Marvel Comics?!

/

Too easy....

85 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:17:18pm

re: #83 Gus 802

Oh no! John Kerry? Gah!!! Freedom Fried Forever!!!

86 Nimed  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:17:28pm

re: #76 Gus 802

Seriously. Don't they know... San Francisco... F-r-i-s-c-o... Frisco!

//Jumps into fox hole.

//

You there, get out! Atheist are not allowed in the fox holes!

87 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:17:37pm

re: #84 Cannadian Club Akbar

Too easy...

Yeah.

88 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:17:41pm

The best (or maybe just my favorite) Daredevil comics were the Frank Miller ones in the early 80s. Daredevil, Elektra (had a huge crush on her when I was a young teen), Bullseye, Kingpin, The Hand. Classic stuff.

89 darthstar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:17:53pm

re: #59 freetoken

Speaking of which, McDonald's new ad in France:


[Video]

Would love to see that ad play in the US...but the Christian right would throw the mother of all shit-fits.

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:18:02pm

re: #35 JasonA

That's just it, though. They don't really think he's gay. They just think that since gay jokes offend them that it must work on everyone.

Read a post on another blog by a man who was out walking his dog when a pack of college-age boys in a car drive by. One of them points at the tiny dog the guy is walking, and yells "DUDE. Inadequate!"

The dog walker yells back, "I'm sure that's what your boyfriend said last night."

He won, because they thought it was so amazingly funny that someone 'thought' their friend was gay. They were laughing so hard at their buddy, they couldn't think of anything else to say about the dog.

91 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:18:16pm

re: #83 Gus 802

You know who else liked Marvel Comics?!

/

HITLER!

92 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:18:21pm

re: #83 Gus 802

You know who else liked Marvel Comics?!

/

Kevin Smith?

93 darthstar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:18:37pm

re: #73 SanFranciscoZionist

Why can't any of these people spell 'San Francisco' properly? Hmph.

Because they weren't born here.

94 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:19:22pm

re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist

Comedy's all about knowing your audience.

95 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:20:21pm

re: #89 darthstar

Would love to see that ad play in the US...but the Christian right would throw the mother of all shit-fits.

Honestly it's so subtle they wouldn't get it.

96 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:20:23pm

re: #93 darthstar

Because they weren't born here.

Dude. Nothin to di wit it. SFZ waz the teecher.
/

97 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:20:38pm

Herb Caen would always call it The City.

98 darthstar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:21:31pm

re: #97 Gus 802

Herb Caen would always call it The City.

I read Herb Caen religiously when I was a kid.

99 Digital Display  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:21:40pm

re: #69 Irenicum

I've always loved you Kermie!!!
///

I saw the Kermit the Frog biography show one day.. The part where he rose to fame..rolling in the bed naked with 100 dollars bills..Big City..Big Lights..
And then he sunk to the depths of Hell in a drug fueled Hollywood life filled with hookers and starlets...Often whisked away from nighclubs at 4am in a hail of bullets raining one dollars bills down the road out the window..
One Day Kermit found redemption and checked into a drug halfway house...
(OK Booze and sex but we don't talk about that often)
Kermit turned his life around by the end of the show and it was a very happy ending..Sober 342 days now..
And is now doing public service Children shows by Court order...
And Piggy has lifted her restraining order..

100 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:21:46pm

re: #97 Gus 802

Herb Caen would always call it The City.

Ummm excuse me, but we New Yorkers think of ours as THE City. Hmph.

(No wonder everyone hates us)

101 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:22:31pm

re: #100 JasonA

Ummm excuse me, but we New Yorkers think of ours as THE City. Hmph.

(No wonder everyone hates us)

I thought that was The Big Apple!

[runs]

102 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:22:36pm

Hey, oil spill question. Any idea what the PSI is coming out of the pipes down there a mile below? I'm thinking about flexible materials, like a prophylactic, that might be able to at least funnel the oil into a restricted space where a flotilla of supertankers could literally suck up the oil and gas. Outlandish? I have no idea. But anything is on the table nowadays.

103 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:23:29pm

So what's the word over here on Al and Tipper? I think he's leaving her because he's tired of not being allowed to listen to Purple Rain.

104 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:23:39pm

re: #99 HoosierHoops

Oh, if that's real, I really need to the link to that!

105 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:23:46pm

re: #96 Cannadian Club Akbar

Dude. Nothin to di wit it. SFZ waz the teecher.
/

Deeep sigh.

106 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:24:08pm

re: #97 Gus 802

Herb Caen would always call it The City.

Or, 'Baghdad by the Bay'.

107 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:24:42pm

re: #99 HoosierHoops

Sounds like an outtake from Meet The Feebles.

108 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:25:01pm

re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist

Deeep sigh.

I meant is a teacher. My bad.

109 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:25:07pm

re: #106 SanFranciscoZionist

Or, 'Baghdad by the Bay'.

Yeah, San Francisco has awesome dungeo...

nevermind.

110 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:25:23pm

re: #85 Irenicum

Gah indeed. I hate typos. (obvious I meant freedom fries in a derisive sense) So much for my humor.

111 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:26:52pm

re: #109 JasonA

Yeah, I like coach Dungeo too!

112 pharmmajor  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:27:12pm

Anyone in the mood for beatdowns of some of the worst films ever made?

[Link: thecinemasnob.com...]

113 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:27:49pm

re: #112 pharmmajor

A Plan 9 thread? Sure!

114 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:28:26pm

re: #112 pharmmajor

Anyone in the mood for beatdowns of some of the worst films ever made?

[Link: thecinemasnob.com...]

Don't think I've ever seen any of those.

115 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:28:31pm

re: #112 pharmmajor

Anyone in the mood for beatdowns of some of the worst films ever made?

[Link: thecinemasnob.com...]

Avatar should be on that list.

116 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:28:43pm

re: #112 pharmmajor

Anyone in the mood for beatdowns of some of the worst films ever made?

[Link: thecinemasnob.com...]

Please. Deep Impact sucked more.

117 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:29:07pm

re: #67 eclectic infidel

Oh, and I forgot to mention, as we were leaving (to our right towards Market St), we had to pass by one large group of rabid haters who, once we came into range, began screaming at us at point blank: baby killers!, racists!, murderers! go home!

The SFPD had to form a wall between us and them since the ANSWER monitors did very little to keep the Arabs at bay. One Arab guy within spitting distance was threatening the woman next to me with violence and the leftist moron monitor just stood there with a dumb grin on her face.

I should probably go for a walk because the more I type out, the angrier I get. I'm still very wound up.

118 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:29:25pm

Time for bed. More honco time tomorrow at work.

119 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:29:59pm

re: #74 JasonA

Watch the video in this comment. You'll like it:
re: #750 Joo-LiZ

That is a brave young man. LA is also know for its rabid Jew & Israel haters.

120 pharmmajor  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:30:36pm

re: #116 Cannadian Club Akbar

Please. Deep Impact sucked more.

I'd rather watch Deep Impact than Cannibal Holocaust, but that's just me.

121 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:30:47pm

re: #117 eclectic infidel

Go for a walk.

122 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:31:27pm

re: #112 pharmmajor

Sad to say, I've never seen any of these. Though a few look strangely intriguing.

123 pharmmajor  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:32:04pm

re: #122 Irenicum

Sad to say, I've never seen any of these. Though a few look strangely intriguing.

Word of advice; don't watch the Salo review after you've eaten.

124 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:33:12pm

re: #67 eclectic infidel

Well, this is a brief report on the first big rally in downtown San Francisco today from 4:30-6:30PM. We *very* few, we proud Zionists, gathered at 456 Montgomery Street, across from the Israeli Consulate. We were surrounded by mobs of anti-semites, Israel haters, moonbats, and other self-loathing Jews (Jewish Voice for Peace). There was a mob in front of us, several hundred strong and for some reason the SFPD permitted us to be boxed in with angry Palestinians to our left and right. They screamed lie after lie at us. On either side, Cal Berkeley SJP (Students for Justice in Palestine) taunted us and tried to start fights; "KILL THE JEWS!" was a common theme. Of course I recognized several of them from past rallies.

The police did a decent job keeping them at bay and near the end, we did get a police escort (via motorbikes) to someone's office building to hide until the crowds dispersed. However, the SFPD did fall down on the job and didn't listen to us when they should have. Many of us have been to enough rallies to know who is who by now and just because someone is dressed nicely with a camera, doesn't mean they're just another photographer looking to snap photos for the heck of it. So I got to babysit a Palestinian photographer for a while till he scurried away.

I took many photos and I hope to have them up tonight. I'll link to them using LGF Pages.

Another large rally is planned for Saturday, probably at the Civic Center (near city hall) in San Francisco, and then there's Israel in the Gardens at the Yerba Buena Center on Sunday. I'm sure the Israel haters won't want to miss that.

Channel 2, 5, and 7 were there, along with some indy media (a raving joke in the Bay Area). A few of our people were interviewed by the major networks.

It's interest that "Jewish Voice for Peace" is so vocal in San Francisco. Here in Chicago, their protest are normally fairly quiet affairs. I guess it's the different political cultures, but in either place they're still assholes.

125 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:33:20pm

re: #123 pharmmajor

Would it produce the first joke I ever wrote? Up, Chuck, Up!

126 pharmmajor  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:33:51pm

re: #125 Irenicum

Would it produce the first joke I ever wrote? Up, Chuck, Up!

Where is the facepalm emoticon?

127 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:34:45pm

re: #126 pharmmajor

I was a wee little lad when I wrote that gem.

128 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:34:53pm

I saw a couple of the Troll movies but I have no idea which ones.

They were bad enough to be mildly entertaining.

129 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:35:24pm

re: #116 Cannadian Club Akbar

Please. Deep Impact sucked more.

No, it didn't. The acting was less wooden and it had Robert Duvall, who did a good job with his part.

130 abolitionist  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:36:11pm

re: #112 pharmmajor

Anyone in the mood for beatdowns of some of the worst films ever made?

[Link: thecinemasnob.com...]

One that I can't recall the title of had a bit of dialog, Come on, let's go --repeated over thirty times (I counted).

131 pharmmajor  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:36:12pm

re: #128 Conservative Moonbat

I saw a couple of the Troll movies but I have no idea which ones.

They were bad enough to be mildly entertaining.

"They're eating her... and then they're going to eat me."

132 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:36:14pm

One of my favorites that I just caught recently involved Santa Claus battling Martians. Quaint in its own way.

133 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:38:10pm

re: #132 Irenicum

One of my favorites that I just caught recently involved Santa Claus battling Martians. Quaint in its own way.

That was on MST3K wasn't it?

134 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:39:08pm

re: #133 Conservative Moonbat

That was on MST3K wasn't it?

yes :D

135 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:39:16pm

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

No, it didn't. The acting was less wooden and it had Robert Duvall, who did a good job with his part.

The "Apostle" didn't suck as well.

136 Nimed  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:39:31pm

Rep. Anthony Weiner:
[Link: www.salon.com...]

While the demand for answers seems to echo in capitals around the world, the facts here are largely known.

We know this tragedy was instigated by Turkey. We know that Israel had not only warned that this boat was in violation of an entirely lawful blockade, but had offered safe harbor to the boat in Ashdod. We also know that a known terrorist group – Hamas – has put its hateful agenda over the well being of its people.

Any loss of life is tragic. This loss was the result of Turkish instigation and Hamas terror policies. Even if we are the only country on earth that sees the facts here, the United States should stand up for Israel.

137 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:39:39pm

re: #133 Conservative Moonbat

I found it online as a freebie.

138 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:39:46pm

re: #128 Conservative Moonbat

I saw a couple of the Troll movies but I have no idea which ones.

They were bad enough to be mildly entertaining.

Troll 2 is the one that's important. You'd remember the guy being turned into the tree, the OH MY GOOOOOD, the kid peeing on the cake...

139 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:40:34pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

It's interest that "Jewish Voice for Peace" is so vocal in San Francisco. Here in Chicago, their protest are normally fairly quiet affairs. I guess it's the different political cultures, but in either place they're still assholes.

JVP usually hosts events at Presbyterian and UU Churches like Occupation 101, or Sabeel. At rallies they stand by anti-Semites while vile chants ensue, in silent approbation. They like to boast that since a few members are Jewish, they couldn't possibly support anti-Semites, yet all they do is promulgate the worst kind of propaganda imaginable to an otherwise clueless public. They deal in lies and they're proud of it.

140 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:40:47pm

re: #135 Cannadian Club Akbar

I love that movie. Very complicated. Just like real life. But then again I like Black Snake Moan. So go figure.

141 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:41:25pm

re: #136 Nimed

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

142 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:41:26pm

re: #112 pharmmajor

The only ones I've seen on that list are Riki-Oh and Troll 2. And Riki-oh is not bad, it's depraved and insane. it's actually really an entertaining film!

143 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:42:08pm

re: #142 WindUpBird

Depraved and insane? OK, I'm sold.

144 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:42:11pm

re: #140 Irenicum

Was that the one with Sam Jackson and Christina Ricci?

145 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:42:58pm

re: #144 JasonA

Yeah. I love that movie beyond words

146 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:43:13pm

re: #143 Irenicum

Depraved and insane? OK, I'm sold.

It's almost like a Troma film. it's violent in ways I had never seen before. films like Tokyo Gore Police and Meatball Machine are also in the same genre of hilarious hyperviolence. :D

147 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:43:27pm

re: #128 Conservative Moonbat

I saw a couple of the Troll movies but I have no idea which ones.

They were bad enough to be mildly entertaining.

Troll movies are important to members of the Lizard Army. They help us ID, catch, and kill the trolls that are one of our favorite foods. For cooking the trolls, we of course have the Cookbook.

148 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:43:30pm

re: #144 JasonA

But I also think Christina Ricci is an amazing actress.

149 pharmmajor  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:43:42pm

re: #142 WindUpBird

The only ones I've seen on that list are Riki-Oh and Troll 2. And Riki-oh is not bad, it's depraved and insane. it's actually really an entertaining film!

Yeah, some of them do fall into the "so bad it's good" category. But the rest of the films Brad reviews are abysmal. The Z-Grade cinema schlock.

And the Cinema Snob isn't the only one brave enough to delve into this crap. Obscurus Lupa does some great reviews as well.

[Link: obscuruslupapresent.blip.tv...]

150 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:43:53pm

re: #145 Irenicum

I enjoyed it in a guilty pleasure way.

151 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:44:52pm

re: #136 Nimed

Rep. Anthony Weiner:
[Link: www.salon.com...]

While the demand for answers seems to echo in capitals around the world, the facts here are largely known.

We know this tragedy was instigated by Turkey. We know that Israel had not only warned that this boat was in violation of an entirely lawful blockade, but had offered safe harbor to the boat in Ashdod. We also know that a known terrorist group – Hamas – has put its hateful agenda over the well being of its people.

Any loss of life is tragic. This loss was the result of Turkish instigation and Hamas terror policies. Even if we are the only country on earth that sees the facts here, the United States should stand up for Israel.

Bravo, Congressman Weiner. You're a liberal, but you do understand the truth about this Turkish action, and you're telling it.

152 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:45:12pm

I have known the ending to every movie since the Sixth Sense. Which is I don't go to movies.

153 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:45:33pm

re: #150 JasonA

It has an incredibly rich narrative throughout with all of the major characters and is raw and nasty. Very true to life in so many ways.

154 Bagua  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:47:27pm

re: #102 Irenicum

Hey, oil spill question. Any idea what the PSI is coming out of the pipes down there a mile below? I'm thinking about flexible materials, like a prophylactic, that might be able to at least funnel the oil into a restricted space where a flotilla of supertankers could literally suck up the oil and gas. Outlandish? I have no idea. But anything is on the table nowadays.

About 2,600 - 2,700 out of the top. Also there is a high gas content, with the gas expanding, coming out of solution, and interacting with the sea-water to form hydrates.

A fire hose is 100 - 300 psi, so it is like two fire hoses of a solution that will expand dramatically as it depressurizes. Try slipping a big balloon over a fire-hose.

155 freetoken  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:47:45pm

re: #112 pharmmajor

His review of Salo is something else.

[Link: thecinemasnob.com...]

156 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:48:15pm

I'd change my name.

We only met Young Boozer this afternoon. And now he's beaten George Wallace Jr. by 63% to 37% with 61% of precincts reporting in the GOP primary for Alabama state Treasurer.

His name really is Young Boozer.

157 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:49:25pm

I'm calling it a night. Night.

158 pharmmajor  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:49:30pm

re: #155 freetoken

His review of Salo is something else.

[Link: thecinemasnob.com...]

That's why I said you need to watch it on an empty stomach.

159 Racer X  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:49:49pm

re: #154 Bagua

About 2,600 - 2,700 out of the top. Also there is a high gas content, with the gas expanding, coming out of solution, and interacting with the sea-water to form hydrates.

A fire hose is 100 - 300 psi, so it is like two fire hoses of a solution that will expand dramatically as it depressurizes. Try slipping a big balloon over a fire-hose.

Not making much headway cutting off that riser. Or did they stop for a while?

160 Bagua  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:51:51pm

re: #159 Racer X

Not making much headway cutting off that riser. Or did they stop for a while?

Impossible to tell as the movement of the pulleys is not blocked by the gushing oil. I'd say it is still running, and moving at less than 1" per hour, slower once it hits the Drill String.

161 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:54:28pm

re: #154 Bagua

Thanks Bagua. Those are the numbers I saw as well online. I was thinking of flexible materials being submerged to the general spewing area and being contracted after being fitted to the flow point. It would avoid the immediate issue of the pressure coming from the flow point. It's still an idea still nebulous in my own head, but this shit needs to be addressed by anyone who cares.

162 Racer X  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:55:00pm

re: #160 Bagua

Impossible to tell as the movement of the pulleys is not blocked by the gushing oil. I'd say it is still running, and moving at less than 1" per hour, slower once it hits the Drill String.

I'm riveted watching this thing. So much is at stake.

163 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:56:00pm

re: #156 JasonA

I'd change my name.

His name really is Young Boozer.

o_O

164 Bagua  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:56:38pm

Note that the Diamond saw has to deal with crude oil and sand blasting it at the pressure of several fire-hoses combined.

I'm putting it at a third of the way through the Riser, and hitting the Drill String inside which I believe is harder than the Riser pipe.

165 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:56:45pm

I'm going to call it a night. Sleep well, All.

166 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:57:31pm

I should do the same. Life beckons. G'nite all.

167 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:57:32pm

re: #163 WindUpBird

o_O

Yeah, his daddy had high hopes for him...

168 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 9:58:07pm

I should thank RWC for leaving this link in the last thread, I cannot remember the last time I saw this obvious or strident a Moonbat. It was refreshing to leave an ugly comment there, beats bashing the only moderately insane conservatives excesses here, at least for me. :p

Not many atrocities can be less controversial than Israel’s attack on the Turkish-based flotilla heading to Gaza yesterday. Like Somali pirates, Israel attacked the boats in international waters. Like the darkest regimes, Israeli forces opened fire on unarmed civilians who had not posed a threat to anybody, except to the siege that Israel (with Egyptian co-operation and U.S. backing) imposes on Gaza. Condemnation of what the Turkish prime minister rightly termed “an act of state terrorism” has been global, except for the shameful mumbling of the American government (but what can you expect from the complicit?).

[Link: original.antiwar.com...]

It gets worse from there believe it or not, the guy is a truly certifiable Moonbat, no doubt about it...

169 Bagua  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:00:09pm

re: #161 Irenicum

Thanks Bagua. Those are the numbers I saw as well online. I was thinking of flexible materials being submerged to the general spewing area and being contracted after being fitted to the flow point. It would avoid the immediate issue of the pressure coming from the flow point. It's still an idea still nebulous in my own head, but this shit needs to be addressed by anyone who cares.

They will likely get a fair amount with the Cap, if it doesn't get blown off or up, but I highly doubt they can capture up to 80% as they allege. Also notice they have two 3" lines they were using to inject mud, they will try to let these work in reverse to take off some pressure.

170 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:02:41pm

re: #169 Bagua

I really appreciate your updates.
It's too depressing for me to try & stay on top of every piece of news.
*smooch*

171 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:05:18pm

Hidden deep in the bowels of the LGF pages what do I see?

AIPAC conspiracy dude.

172 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:06:56pm

re: #171 Gus 802

Hidden deep in the bowels of the LGF pages what do I see?

AIPAC conspiracy dude.

Doh! He should come out and play so I can ask him what he thinks of remote viewing and colloidal silver

173 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:07:37pm

re: #171 Gus 802

Hidden deep in the bowels of the LGF pages what do I see?

AIPAC conspiracy dude.

And, that's it's first post!

Karma: 0

Ukobserver

Registered since: Mar 30, 2010 at 12:43 pm
No. of comments posted: 1
No. of links posted: 0

174 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:07:53pm

re: #172 WindUpBird

Doh! He should come out and play so I can ask him what he thinks of remote viewing and colloidal silver

Shiny side or matte side out? For the tin foil hat that is.

/

175 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:09:19pm

re: #173 Floral Giraffe

And, that's it's first post!

Karma: 0

Ukobserver

Registered since: Mar 30, 2010 at 12:43 pm
No. of comments posted: 1
No. of links posted: 0

Yeah, I just remembered seeing it early this morning before I hit the sack.

176 Bagua  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:09:43pm

re: #170 Floral Giraffe

{Floral Giraffe}

177 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:10:13pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

It's interest that "Jewish Voice for Peace" is so vocal in San Francisco. Here in Chicago, their protest are normally fairly quiet affairs. I guess it's the different political cultures, but in either place they're still assholes.

I think it may be who they piggyback with. Here they're connected to some serious bad people.

178 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:10:55pm

Fire for effect!

/

179 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:13:16pm

re: #171 Gus 802

Hidden deep in the bowels of the LGF pages what do I see?

AIPAC conspiracy dude.

He would have fit right in at today's rally. Facts? People like him don't need no stinkin' facts! Booyah!

180 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:15:08pm

Anyway, in lieu of a walk, the girl kitteh gave me big eyes and pitched the woo.

Goodnight all. Be well. I think I'm going to soak with Burt's Bees.

181 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:15:11pm

re: #179 eclectic infidel

He would have fit right in at today's rally. Facts? People like him don't need no stinkin' facts! Booyah!

Yeah, who does he mean by "Benny and his boys?" I also noticed how he kind of melds the US with the UK "administration." That's probably part of the larger grand conspiracy!

182 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:15:50pm

re: #174 Gus 802

Shiny side or matte side out? For the tin foil hat that is.

/

I have been wondering about that for years, does having the shiny side out help reflect the governments or aliens thought reprogramming beams, or does having it inward help you to focus your own psychic thought waves to resist them?

/

183 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:17:50pm

re: #182 ausador

I have been wondering about that for years, does having the shiny side out help reflect the governments or aliens thought reprogramming beams, or does having it inward help you to focus your own psychic thought waves to resist them?

/

Hmm. You're right. It's then a matter of retention or detention.

/

184 Bagua  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:17:59pm

re: #179 eclectic infidel

He would have fit right in at today's rally. Facts? People like him don't need no stinkin' facts! Booyah!

He no doubt considers himself well informed, reading the Guardian and watching al-BBC. Though the UK media is almost universally biased against Israel. With few exceptions.

By "Benny" he is insulting the Prime Minister of Israel. Probably hurts to type his real name.

185 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:18:17pm

re: #182 ausador

Everyone knows you have to have the shiny side out to reflect the microwave beams AND another layer the opposite way to keep the chip in your brain from transmitting your position.

(We really don't need sarc tags for this stuff. Really, we don't. Do we?)

186 tradewind  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:19:02pm

Ed Peck is even worse than previously reported.
The poster child, even at age 80, for Useful Idiot.

187 darthstar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:21:11pm

re: #174 Gus 802

Shiny side or matte side out? For the tin foil hat that is.

/

Shiny side out...the matte side is too absorbant and you want to reflect the signals.

188 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:21:38pm

re: #184 Bagua

He no doubt considers himself well informed, reading the Guardian and watching al-BBC. Though the UK media is almost universally biased against Israel. With few exceptions.

By "Benny" he is insulting the Prime Minister of Israel. Probably hurts to type his real name.

They all crawled back out of the woodwork with this event. It's almost like you can close your eyes and it's 2003 again and Bush is in the White House.

189 tradewind  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:21:59pm

re: #171 Gus 802
Wow. It's been a while since I can remember anyone rollin' out the old ' white phosphorus ' grenade into the forum. He really reached back.

190 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:23:11pm

re: #189 tradewind

Wow. It's been a while since I can remember anyone rollin' out the old ' white phosphorus ' grenade into the forum. He really reached back.

Yep. I think I might have seen that twice so far. That an old Markos meme.

191 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:25:49pm

re: #190 Gus 802

Could swear I read Cordell bring that one up tonight.

192 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:26:27pm

re: #191 JasonA

Could swear I read Cordell bring that one up tonight.

Yep. I think I saw that.

193 tradewind  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:26:57pm

LOL, now they're busting SEC lawyers for surfing porn on their computers.
You'd think employees would learn to keep it at home.

194 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:27:25pm

So, I go out to the grocery store, and as I'm walking by the milk cases, I notice a guy trying to get a woman's attention, so she'll move her cart. He's acting a little irritating, but he finally gets her attention, and she moves the cart, and tells him nicely that she's sorry, but she's a little deaf.

He says "Why do you go out in public, then?"

She and I are both just STARING...

195 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:27:50pm

re: #192 Gus 802

Yep. I think I saw that.

Yeah, he was doing the phosphorous thing.

196 tradewind  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:28:12pm

Has there been any more on the Israeli's report that an Al Q'aeda trained mob was on board one of the ships?

197 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:28:44pm

re: #189 tradewind

Wow. It's been a while since I can remember anyone rollin' out the old ' white phosphorus ' grenade into the forum. He really reached back.

Probably someone's stinky socky.

198 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:28:54pm

Ladies and gentlemen, may I present a voice that would be welcome among these pages, one... Eliot Spitzer!

Youtube Video

(LGF implodes)

199 tradewind  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:29:50pm

re: #194 SanFranciscoZionist
He's lucky I wasn't there.
Or maybe I am./

200 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:30:07pm

re: #194 SanFranciscoZionist

So, I go out to the grocery store, and as I'm walking by the milk cases, I notice a guy trying to get a woman's attention, so she'll move her cart. He's acting a little irritating, but he finally gets her attention, and she moves the cart, and tells him nicely that she's sorry, but she's a little deaf.

He says "Why do you go out in public, then?"

She and I are both just STARING...

Damn. That's like something out of a 1930s movie.

"Hey lady. If you is deaf maybe you shouldn't be going outsides."

201 laZardo  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:31:35pm

Holy dicks, Nekama of the Troll Hammer spotted downthread.

202 darthstar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:31:35pm

re: #190 Gus 802

Yep. I think I might have seen that twice so far. That an old Markos meme.

Well, if they did use White Phosporous shells, at least we know that we paid for them with our tax dollars so we should get some of the credit.

But this was way back in 2009 so it's ancient history, even if it did happen, which I'm not saying it did, because like everyone else here, I only have the internet as a source of information.
(article does state Israeli denials and isn't just moonbat accusation...)

203 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:31:42pm

It appears that the administrations idea for cutting into the riser pipe is going as planned...

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

A new flow of oil emerged from BP's damaged undersea well in the Gulf of Mexico on Tuesday evening after a remote-controlled submarine successfully cut into the well's riser pipe.

204 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:32:14pm

re: #198 JasonA

Ladies and gentlemen, may I present a voice that would be welcome among these pages, one... Eliot Spitzer!

[Video](LGF implodes)

Crap. Greenwald is an idiot on this. He called them heroes the other day.

205 tradewind  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:32:37pm

re: #198 JasonA
Dorky-sounding moniker aside, who the hell is Glenn Greenwald?
I'm sure I've seen his name associated with other asshattery around the 'net.

206 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:34:05pm

re: #204 Gus 802

The more I hear Spitzer the more pissed I am that he set his career back with that stupid (criminal) mistake.

207 darthstar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:34:06pm

re: #203 Walter L. Newton

It appears that the administrations idea for cutting into the riser pipe is going as planned...

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

A new flow of oil emerged from BP's damaged undersea well in the Gulf of Mexico on Tuesday evening after a remote-controlled submarine successfully cut into the well's riser pipe.

It's not the administration's idea...it's the idea suggested by several oil well disaster recovery experts. BP is using it as a 'last resort' because it will increase the flow of oil pending the (hopefully) successful installation of the top hat.

208 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:35:40pm

There is always a new generation of idiots willing to try appeasement as a solution to brutal acts of violence by demagogues and dictators. All down throughout history they have always been there every time that there has been a human generation between major wars.

Even when you point out to them how it has been tried, over and over and over, and has always failed they are idealistically convinced that this time it will be be different.

"Israel is wrong for defending itself, if only they would lay down their arms then the Arabs would embrace them in brotherhood..."

Sigh...there is no point in arguing with that kind of deluded thinking, you'd probably have better luck trying to convince Fred Phelps that God actually is ok with gay people.

209 tradewind  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:36:43pm

re: #206 JasonA
He reminds me of Blumenthal.
The hubris is always going to get in the way of these guys' good ideas in the end. In Blumenthal's case, maybe not fatally...yet.

210 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:36:44pm

re: #202 darthstar

Well, if they did use White Phosporous shells, at least we know that we paid for them with our tax dollars so we should get some of the credit.

But this was way back in 2009 so it's ancient history, even if it did happen, which I'm not saying it did, because like everyone else here, I only have the internet as a source of information.
(article does state Israeli denials and isn't just moonbat accusation...)

OK The article even says that Human Rights Watch said they didn't find any evidence of incendiaries. If they did they would be one of the first to jump all over that.

211 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:37:18pm

re: #207 darthstar

It's not the administration's idea...it's the idea suggested by several oil well disaster recovery experts. BP is using it as a 'last resort' because it will increase the flow of oil pending the (hopefully) successful installation of the top hat.

This wasn't the administrations idea? Well, hush my mouth. YBTBW.

212 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:38:41pm

re: #209 tradewind

He reminds me of Blumenthal.
The hubris is always going to get in the way of these guys' good ideas in the end. In Blumenthal's case, maybe not fatally...yet.

Spitzer's managed to rehabilitate his image much better in this short amount of time than I ever would have thought possible.

213 laZardo  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:38:54pm

re: #210 Gus 802

OK The article even says that Human Rights Watch said they didn't find any evidence of incendiaries. If they did they would be one of the first to jump all over that.

At this point, that would be beside the point.

/lol redundancies

214 darthstar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:38:58pm

re: #210 Gus 802

OK The article even says that Human Rights Watch said they didn't find any evidence of incendiaries. If they did they would be one of the first to jump all over that.


Like I said, it's not evidence...doctors talking about deep burns, shells the US marks as WP munitions, but no actual evidence...it's okay. Plausible deniability is good enough for me.

215 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:39:07pm

re: #207 darthstar

And don't forget that all time favorite...

And Palin responded... "They ask me all the time, ‘What is your favorite this? What is your favorite that? What is your favorite that?’ And one time, ‘What is your favorite word?’ And I said, ‘My favorite word? That is really easy. My favorite word is the Word, is the Word. And that is everything. It says it all for us. And you know the biblical reference, you know the Gospel reference of the Word.”

[Link: cnsnews.com...]

216 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:39:51pm

re: #215 Walter L. Newton

Really? You're reusing your own joke? For shame.

217 darthstar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:41:16pm

re: #215 Walter L. Newton

Please don't quote that stupid twit.

218 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:41:47pm

re: #216 JasonA

Really? You're reusing your own joke? For shame.

Hey... I do a stand up comedy magic act, been doing the same act/jokes for 30 years... never failed me... Abbot and Costello refused to write anything but new aside material during their entire career, convinced that sticking with the oldies was a sure thing.

219 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:42:18pm

Found this over on this blog.

Reminds me a bit of my own college days.

Dear Jew,

We have received your letter of request to join the Progressive Club and view it most favorably. We would just like to notify you that, as with any club, not all are admitted who request, but only those who abide by the precepts and ideals of our most esteemed institute. Therefore, we are sending you this list of obligations, so as to help you to ascertain whether you are suitable for membership in our Club. Please review ALL requirements before sending us your reply.

* As an initial price of admission, you must agree that all territories taken by Israel in the war of 1967 must be ethnically cleansed of all Jews. Failure to abide by this precept automatically disqualifies one from membership in the Club.

* You must accept, and teach others, that the Palestinians are a real nation that has inhabited Palestine from time immemorial. You may not suggest in any way (such as by use of the term "Palestinian Arab" rather than "Palestinian") that they are merely part of a bigger nation, much less that they are a political contrivance.

* You must accept, and teach others, that Zionism is a European settler-colonist movement having the purpose of displacing the indigenous Palestinians from the get-go.

* You must believe that Zionist Jews of non-European origin were either coerced or tricked into being Zionists by the European Jews. You may not entertain any idea that goes against the European Colonialist Settler Narrative of Zionism.

* You must not accord any significance to Jewish history in Palestine. You must dismiss all Jewish claims to Palestine as "founded on fairy tales."

* You must not believe that a Jewish state has any right to exist in Palestine. You may advocate the Two-State Solution, but only as a practicable means of minimizing the damage of Zionism, not because it is a morally right solution.

* You may quote no source that insinuates that Palestine was not a heavily-populated, teeming paradise on earth when the first Zionists invaded it in 1882.

* You must not use place-names that suggest an ancient Jewish connection to Palestine. For example, you must use the term "West Bank," not "Judea and Samaria," and the name "Nablus," not "Shechem." Failure to abide by this rule will mark you as pro-Zionism and lead to your expulsion from the Club.

* You must not use the term "terrorist" except when speaking of the Israeli Occupation Force and the Zionist regime. You must accustom yourself to thinking of Hamas as freedom fighters.

* If called to condemn suicide bombing, you must counter that it is the weapon of the weak and oppressed.

* You must hold Israel to the most stringest standards of an enlightened Western democracy, standards that are higher than life itself.

* You must not hold the Palestinians to any such standards, as that would be a show of Western imperialism toward an indigenous people.

* You must applaud any step toward there being no Jews in the post-1967 territories. You must condemn any Jewish building in those territories as ethnic cleansing.

* You must decry any step toward there being fewer Palestinians in the pre-1967 territories. You must condemn any proposal to move Palestinians from pre-1967 Israel to the West Bank and Gaza as ethnic cleansing.

* You must call for Israel to admit millions of Palestinian refugees in accordance with the Right of Return.

* You must show understanding toward Palestinian leaders who say a future Palestinian state will not allow Jewish residents.

In short:

* You must not support Israel in any meaningful way.

We are most grateful for your interest and await your reply.

Your sincerely,
The administrators of
The Progressive Club

220 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:42:43pm

re: #217 darthstar

Please don't quote that stupid twit.

(Should I bite?) You mean Nancy Pelosi... House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) says she believes she must pursue public policies "in keeping with the values" of Jesus Christ, "The Word made Flesh."

[Link: cnsnews.com...]

221 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:42:44pm

re: #218 Walter L. Newton

I know, but you just did it this morning! (That I know of...)

222 tradewind  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:43:04pm

re: #215 Walter L. Newton
Well, you got the ' Sex, female, last initial, P ' right.
:)
(that was eggcellent Walter)

223 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:43:11pm

re: #214 darthstar

Like I said, it's not evidence...doctors talking about deep burns, shells the US marks as WP munitions, but no actual evidence...it's okay. Plausible deniability is good enough for me.

A couple of days ago the IDF shot and killed 4 or perhaps 2 Palestinian attempted to cross the border. They were armed with machine guns.

It's not hunting season.

Then a couple of weeks ago the IAF knocked out two more that were firing mortar rounds into Israel.

This happens almost weekly.

224 tradewind  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:43:34pm

re: #217 darthstar
You mean Pelosi?

225 darthstar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:43:54pm

re: #220 Walter L. Newton

And don't equate Pelosi and Palin...they're entirely different people. And yes, I know Pelosi is a practicing Catholic.

226 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:44:14pm

re: #221 JasonA

I know, but you just did it this morning! (That I know of...)

Correct... but read the above comment... like I said

re: #217darthstar

Please don't quote that stupid twit.

It works all the time.

227 DaddyLawBucks  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:44:28pm

re: #205 tradewind

I believe Greenwald is a self-hating columnist on Salon, always way left, and always anti-America/anti-Israel. Wonderful guy, (no doubt quite brilliant in a way, former law teacher and all), but painfully deranged. Not that I have any opinion of the guy.......

228 tradewind  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:44:32pm

re: #216 JasonA
It's good enough for a do-over.

229 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:45:01pm

re: #222 tradewind

Well, you got the ' Sex, female, last initial, P ' right.
:)
(that was eggcellent Walter)

I did it this morning... same joke... same Lizard... same sort of response...

230 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:45:19pm
* As an initial price of admission, you must agree that all territories taken by Israel in the war of 1967 must be ethnically cleansed of all Jews. Failure to abide by this precept automatically disqualifies one from membership in the Club.

Well. I guess all of us Americans need to retreat back to land we didn't forcefully take from the natives...

231 darthstar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:45:35pm

re: #226 Walter L. Newton

Trolled by Walter...again...(bangs head on keyboard...ytgtfggf*)

*actual forehead-to-keyboard typing.

232 tradewind  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:46:02pm

re: #226 Walter L. Newton
She sounded strangely drugged when I saw that clip. Can Botox do that to you?

233 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:46:23pm

re: #229 Walter L. Newton

Wait, you got Darth twice?

234 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:46:59pm

re: #231 darthstar

Trolled by Walter...again...(bangs head on keyboard...ytgtfggf*)

*actual forehead-to-keyboard typing.

Sorry... it's an addiction... I need help. Goodnight all.

235 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:47:10pm

re: #233 JasonA

Wait, you got Darth twice?

Yep.

236 darthstar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:47:15pm

re: #233 JasonA

Wait, you got Darth twice?

Yeah...he credits Palin, then pulls Pelosi out of his ass and acts like he's done something exciting.

237 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:48:16pm

re: #236 darthstar

Yeah...he credits Palin, then pulls Pelosi out of his ass and acts like he's done something exciting.

Holding up a mirror to the world.

238 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:48:28pm

re: #220 Walter L. Newton

(Should I bite?) You mean Nancy Pelosi... House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) says she believes she must pursue public policies "in keeping with the values" of Jesus Christ, "The Word made Flesh."

[Link: cnsnews.com...]

Nancy Pelosi is a theocrat!111!!!

/

239 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:48:38pm

re: #236 darthstar

And you fell for it...

twice?

240 tradewind  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:48:46pm

re: #227 daddylawbucks
The cognitive dissonance there is strong. ( wonderful guy/anti american painfully deranged). I think I know what you mean, though.

241 darthstar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:50:52pm

re: #239 JasonA

And you fell for it...

twice?

I don't follow the Pelosi rage close enough. She's a good Speaker of the House, and that pisses people off...especially wing-nuts, so they'll glom onto anything she says if they think it'll score a point against people like me who judge her by her actions in the House and not some pandering comment to a Christian audience.

242 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:52:20pm

Okay, I just updinged every Walter comment on the thread for that achievement.

243 DaddyLawBucks  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:53:03pm

re: #240 tradewind

I was being sarcastic about the "wonderful guy" part. He is smart, no doubt, but of that poisonous mind set that can see nothing good in anything our country does and certainly nothing but evil from Israel. You don't have to be right wing to see that Hamas and it's supporters are just a gang of murderers, and that the Israelis need to defend themselves.

244 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:53:15pm

re: #241 darthstar

No, Darth. The only reason he even brought it up was he hoped a liberal like you would be dumb enough to fall for it.

Twice!

(Still love ya, though.)

245 darthstar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:54:31pm

re: #244 JasonA

No, Darth. The only reason he even brought it up was he hoped a liberal like you would be dumb enough to fall for it.

Twice!

(Still love ya, though.)

Feh.

246 tradewind  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:54:40pm

re: #241 darthstar
You have to see this clip, though. It's the Jim Jones Kool-Aid inflection that's a hoot.
Substantively, no problem... it's the best thing I've heard come from her in a long time...JMO.

247 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:55:28pm

re: #245 darthstar

Heh. You have to be careful with anything Walter says. He's a dick. And I mean that in the nicest way possible since I'm pretty sure he considers it a compliment.

248 darthstar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:55:58pm

re: #246 tradewind

You have to see this clip, though. It's the Jim Jones Kool-Aid inflection that's a hoot.
Substantively, no problem... it's the best thing I've heard come from her in a long time...JMO.

I find comments like that to be pointless and have yet to hear one from an elected official I actually believe.

249 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:56:07pm

re: #247 JasonA

Heh. You have to be careful with anything Walter says. He's a dick. And I mean that in the nicest way possible since I'm pretty sure he considers it a compliment.

Please... A clever dick... ok?

250 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:56:39pm

re: #249 Walter L. Newton

Please... A clever dick... ok?

How about a sharp dick? Nice ring to that, I think.

251 laZardo  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:57:22pm

re: #250 JasonA

How about a sharp dick? Nice ring to that, I think.

Barbed-wire dick.

/so I just finished Red Dead Redemption...

252 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:57:32pm

re: #250 JasonA

How about a sharp dick? Nice ring to that, I think.

Ok... compromise... works for me...

Now really, night all... and you to Darth.

253 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:58:03pm

re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist

So did you join?

///

254 DaddyLawBucks  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:58:13pm

Good night lizzards.

255 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:58:32pm

Terror incitement in the Palestinian media - 2010

256 darthstar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:58:36pm

re: #247 JasonA

Heh. You have to be careful with anything Walter says. He's a dick. And I mean that in the nicest way possible since I'm pretty sure he considers it a compliment.

I know...I tend to ignore him for the most part. But really, when someone says,

And Palin responded... "They ask me all the time, ‘What is your favorite this? What is your favorite that? What is your favorite that?’ And one time, ‘What is your favorite word?’ And I said, ‘My favorite word? That is really easy. My favorite word is the Word, is the Word. And that is everything. It says it all for us. And you know the biblical reference, you know the Gospel reference of the Word.”


how the fuck am I supposed to know it was Pelosi? Palin says that kind of stupid shit all the time. So really, he's just a liar...and that should be rewarded.

257 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:58:45pm

re: #253 ausador

So did you join?

///

I tried for a couple of years, but I wouldn't abide by any of the rules, so they kicked me out.

258 That's Grand Lord On High Monckton to you  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:59:47pm

Note to world:

I have released my latest puzzle which you may now play on line.

Use the tag "Vastly Superior Intellect" to find it in LGF pages, or the small minded can simply go here.

259 tradewind  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:00:02pm

Very surprised that this appears in the NYT, but it ought to put an end to any wondering re the flauxtilla's purpose......
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

260 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:00:23pm

re: #255 Gus 802

Terror incitement in the Palestinian media - 2010

Oh for fuck's sake...

Youtube Video
261 tradewind  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:01:41pm

re: #258 That's Grand Lord On High Monckton to you
Someone go first./

262 Bagua  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:02:05pm

They are using another robot to zoom in tight on the Diamond Wire Saw which appears to be jammed and stopped.

263 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:02:10pm

Jan 14, 2010: City square named after Dalal Mughrabi,
murderer of 37 Israelis
PA Minister defends glorification of terrorists: "It's the least we can do"

Dalal Mughrabi

Dalal Mughrabi (Arabic: دلال المغربي‎; ca. 1959 – March 11, 1978) was a Palestinian militant affiliated with the Fatah faction who directed the 1978 Coastal Road massacre in Israel. The attack resulted in the death of 37 Israeli citizens, including 13 children, and one American photographer. Mughrabi and nine or ten other militants were also killed over the course of the operation.

264 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:02:55pm

re: #256 darthstar

Eh. It's all in good fun for him. Nothing to take personally. I rewarded him because you walked into his trap twice. I even kind of warned you. I actually considered posting this right before you fell for it: Image: its_a_trap.jpg

265 darthstar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:04:11pm

re: #258 That's Grand Lord On High Monckton to you

Note to world:

I have released my latest puzzle which you may now play on line.

Use the tag "Vastly Superior Intellect" to find it in LGF pages, or the small minded can simply go here.

Solved.

266 laZardo  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:04:31pm

re: #263 Gus 802

Goddammit.

267 Bagua  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:06:05pm

re: #263 Gus 802

She is Fatah.

268 tradewind  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:06:17pm

re: #263 Gus 802
From your link:
Now, are we clear?
Because this really is all you need to know about this conflict.

The Palestinian Authority is defending its practice of honoring terrorists who have killed Israelis by naming public places and events after them.
269 That's Grand Lord On High Monckton to you  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:07:55pm

re: #265 darthstar

Solved.

I have checked the statistics. It has been played 7 times so far yet not solved!

270 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:09:09pm

re: #267 Bagua

She is Fatah.

Who have been making threats of last. Especially Fatah al-Islam because they'll come creeping out of Lebanon.

The far left will ignore it all. In fact. They idolize these terrorists.

271 tradewind  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:10:40pm

Out.
Sweet dreams of a capped and plugged leak in the sea.

272 darthstar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:10:46pm

re: #269 That's Grand Lord On High Monckton to you

I have checked the statistics. It has been played 7 times so far yet not solved!

I got to the last cell and clicked "solve"...I guess I needed to slide it over one before clicking then...fuck. I'll do it again then.

273 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:13:59pm

"Hey man. Like they're so cool man. It's like they're just like the American Indians man fighting the American imperialists man. They're just fighting the oppression man. Like they're no different from the armies man but they're fighting for real freedom man."

//

274 Bagua  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:14:02pm

re: #270 Gus 802

Who have been making threats of last. Especially Fatah al-Islam because they'll come creeping out of Lebanon.

The far left will ignore it all. In fact. They idolize these terrorists.

Ah, but they are the "good" terrorists. We mustn't upset the delicate "peace process" by pointing out their active support for terrorism.

275 darthstar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:14:54pm

re: #269 That's Grand Lord On High Monckton to you

I have checked the statistics. It has been played 7 times so far yet not solved!

Okay...solved.

276 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:15:31pm

re: #274 Bagua

Ah, but they are the "good" terrorists. We mustn't upset the delicate "peace process" by pointing out their active support for terrorism.

Yep. And blame it all on Israeli settlements.

Duh-ee.

277 darthstar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:16:39pm

re: #275 darthstar

Okay...solved.

I do 4x4s on my phone for entertainment...the 3x3 is actually tougher.

278 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:18:16pm

Here's a mother lode of recent incitement and honoring of terrorists and terror in the PA.

[Link: palwatch.org...]

279 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:18:44pm

re: #277 darthstar

But I solved it faster and in fewer moves. :P

280 That's Grand Lord On High Monckton to you  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:18:51pm

re: #275 darthstar

Okay...solved.

You are hereby inducted to an exclusive club - those honored by Nobel Laureate Climate Expert Knower Of All Things Monky Experts Club.

281 darthstar  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:20:05pm

re: #279 JasonA

But I solved it faster and in fewer moves. :P

I did it in 1:49 (second time)

283 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:23:31pm

re: #281 darthstar

Sorry. Not what the leaderboard says. :/

284 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:24:48pm

re: #282 Gus 802

Peace, Gus! They want only peace!

285 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:25:02pm

Fatah Minnie & Mickey Mouse

Youtube Video
286 tigger2005  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:25:27pm

"Ape Man" has no pants. I guess he takes his dressing tips from Donald Duck and Porky Pig.

287 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:26:14pm

re: #284 JasonA

Peace, Gus! They want only peace!

Kumbayah mother f*cker!

//Drum circle!

///

288 laZardo  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:28:55pm

re: #287 Gus 802

//Drum circle synthesized on a Macbook music studio program!!

ftfy :D

289 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:29:22pm

True story about some peoples mindset and unwillingness to change it or even consider another persons view or motivations...

I was on a jury in Anchorage in 1998 that had spent 24 days hearing a murder trial, the evidence was completely overwhelming and showed beyond any doubt that not only was the murder committed by the person accused but also that it had been planned well ahead of time.

The prosecutor was rightly seeking a first degree murder charge, but had padded his bet with a second degree charge just in case. When we first went to deliberations the vote was immediately 11 to 1 for conviction. We reviewed the evidence, went over the testimony, reviewed the forensics, still 11 to 1.

The woman who was holding out refused, just absolutely refused, to believe that anyone was capable of that type of coldblooded planning of another persons murder. Thats it, because she was incapable of thinking like that (or at least she thought so), no one else could possibly be capable of it either (if she had known what several of her follow jury members were thinking about her right about then maybe she would have learned differently).

After two days of increasingly rancorous arguments and multiple votes the rest of us bitched up and opted for second degree murder (non-premeditated) rather than see it end in a mistrial. We finally got our verdict, but he only got 9 years instead of the twenty-five+ that he deserved.

I learned a couple of real lessons from that;

1. Some people are completely capable of denying reality no matter how forcefully or logically it is presented to them.

2. Even one person who denies reality can do an inordinate amount of damage to how our society functions.

(kinda scary when you see how many people are striving to evade reality nowadays ain't it?)

290 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:31:27pm

re: #288 laZardo

ftfy :D

Drum Circle App™

Also comes with the Self-Irony App™

291 freetoken  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:31:59pm

re: #289 ausador


1. Some people are completely capable of denying reality no matter how forcefully or logically it is presented to them.


Have you been to a creationists' forum?

292 freetoken  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:32:51pm

Been watching a couple of the CinemaSnob's reviews, and his latest one I found hilarious in the middle especially:

[Link: thecinemasnob.com...]

293 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:33:44pm

They were always abusing the young.

El Fatah recruits - Jordan, 1968.

294 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:34:51pm

You know, as soft-hearted as I am these people are making it really really hard for me to not pine for the old days. Like, the old Roman days where civilizations just didn't have a high tolerance for bullshit. (not the best analogy when we're talking about Judaism, I know, but I hope you get my real point)

295 laZardo  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:37:55pm

re: #294 JasonA

You know, as soft-hearted as I am these people are making it really really hard for me to not pine for the old days. Like, the old Roman days where civilizations just didn't have a high tolerance for bullshit. (not the best analogy when we're talking about Judaism, I know, but I hope you get my real point)

At least we still have Cato.

296 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:41:13pm

re: #294 JasonA

You know, as soft-hearted as I am these people are making it really really hard for me to not pine for the old days. Like, the old Roman days where civilizations just didn't have a high tolerance for bullshit. (not the best analogy when we're talking about Judaism, I know, but I hope you get my real point)

I don't have an answer. The most I can see is that it is a rather dysfunctional society that is also bombarded with anti-Israeli propaganda on a daily basis. From cradle to grave. The first step towards their progress would be if they finally began to reject both Fatah and Hamas. It doesn't necessarily have to be secular either as long as their goal is both progress, peace, and economic security.

297 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:42:01pm

re: #296 Gus 802

Oops. Nix the "both" in that comment.

298 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:43:36pm

re: #294 JasonA

You know, as soft-hearted as I am these people are making it really really hard for me to not pine for the old days. Like, the old Roman days where civilizations just didn't have a high tolerance for bullshit. (not the best analogy when we're talking about Judaism, I know, but I hope you get my real point)

Depends on the type of bullshit doesn't it?

Watch out, that type of statement could get labeled as "Wingnut" at some web locations. :p

299 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:46:28pm
Youtube Video

This is awesome. After the minute mark they start preaching how English is an inferior language because the Arabic "once upon a time ruled this world." I missed the part where they ruled the world in history class.

300 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:47:12pm

re: #298 ausador

Depends on the type of bullshit doesn't it?

Watch out, that type of statement could get labeled as "Wingnut" at some web locations. :p

Eh... it probably deserves it. It's late and this is some aggravating shit. I'm never like this fresh out the gate :)

301 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:49:08pm

Oh crap. Troll at 6 o'clock.

302 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:55:42pm

Yeah, whatever.

303 Gus  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:56:56pm

re: #302 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, whatever.

Things that go bump in the night! ;)

Apparently some kind of Beck fanboy.

304 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:59:17pm

re: #303 Gus 802

Things that go bump in the night! ;)

Apparently some kind of Beck fanboy.

Or an anti-semite. I'm kind of on the fence about that one.

305 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:00:54am

re: #138 WindUpBird

Troll 2 is the one that's important. You'd remember the guy being turned into the tree, the OH MY GOOOD, the kid peeing on the cake...

Is WUB still here?

If there are people here who love that movie, a documentary by the child star hit the indie circuit last year-- haven't seen it myself but I think it got a screening at Tribeca. Jimmah and I were talking about it:

Best Worst Movie

“Best Worst Movie,” a funny-sad documentary about the 1990 horror movie disaster “Troll 2,” tries to pin down the alchemy that transports a film from reject bin to cult favorite. When that goal proves elusive, the director, Michael Paul Stephenson, settles for one closer to home: a touching and at times uncomfortable portrait of people making peace with an unwanted past.
Perhaps none more so than the director himself. A freckled 10-year-old when he starred in “Troll 2,” Mr. Stephenson views the role as the nail in the coffin of his acting career. One co-star refuses to put the movie on her résumé (“I just want it to go away”), while another admits to arriving on the set courtesy of a day-release program from the local mental hospital.

Ranging from hilarious to troublingly intrusive, these encounters reveal a production doomed by ineptitude and the fractured English of its Italian director, Claudio Fragasso. “They know nothing,” Mr. Fragasso grumbles at a sold-out Manhattan revival screening, deeply hurt by the audience’s laughter.
[...]

306 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:01:00am

No wait. Might be some other strange logic at work here.

If you dislike Glenn Beck then you should dislike Israel.

You can't support Israel if you dislike Beck.

Etc.

307 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:01:08am

re: #304 JasonA

Er... bear in mind I don't throw around lightly. In fact, that's the first time I ever have, even after the past few days. I think his comment was worthy of consideration, though.

308 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:01:36am

re: #305 iceweasel

WEASEL!

{{WEASEL}}

309 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:03:45am

re: #308 JasonA

WEASEL!

{{WEASEL}}

Jason! :-)

S'up, noo yawker?

What are we missing? Where is the troll?
(Jimmah sez hi to all)

310 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:06:18am

re: #309 iceweasel

Jason! :-)

S'up, noo yawker?

What are we missing? Where is the troll?
(Jimmah sez hi to all)

Troll would be right here.

311 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:06:29am

re: #309 iceweasel

Weird showers we had today, but the weather tonight is quite nice. The troll is eh. More like a goblin, really. Snuck in, barked, and ran away. *waves to Jimmah*

312 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:07:12am

re: #306 Gus 802

No wait. Might be some other strange logic at work here.

Etc.

But, but, but "Bankers" do I really need to get the chalkboard out and draw you a diagram?

*cries*

313 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:09:13am

Might there be a stealth-downdinger wandering about?

314 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:10:10am

re: #313 JasonA

Might there be a stealth-downdinger wandering about?

Up and down.

315 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:10:53am

Yeah, I see him up dinging all of the comments critical of Israel and down-dinging anything in favor.

316 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:11:56am

re: #310 Gus 802

Troll would be right here.

Dang, they're no fun when we don't get to bat them around for awhile. :(

I did see someone yesterday who also struck me as a straightup antisemite and who was thankfully banned. godofbiscuits or some other douchebag.
What's up Gus? How's your neck? Hope you're well.

re: #311 JasonA

Weird showers we had today, but the weather tonight is quite nice. The troll is eh. More like a goblin, really. Snuck in, barked, and ran away. *waves to Jimmah*

Fantastic weather here! Poor Jimmah is pining for rain so he was happy about being caught in it today. Hope your Memorial Day was fun!

BTW, have you ever rented a rowboat at the Lake in Central Park? Can't believe I never did that before. Do it!

317 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:15:28am

re: #316 iceweasel

Heh. You're right, I probably should. Once I manage to secure some employment...

318 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:17:43am

re: #316 iceweasel

Dang, they're no fun when we don't get to bat them around for awhile. :(

I did see someone yesterday who also struck me as a straightup antisemite and who was thankfully banned. godofbiscuits or some other douchebag.
What's up Gus? How's your neck? Hope you're well.

Hey Ice. Yeah, I saw that godofbiscuits weirdo and he was out pretty quick.

My neck. It's getting worse. Sometimes it flares up and the OTC pain meds help. I only take 4 a day max. I know I have to go to a doctor but you know how that violin plays.

Same old story with the rest. Hope you're doing well. Anything new?

319 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:18:47am

re: #317 JasonA

Heh. You're right, I probably should. Once I manage to secure some employment...

Well, I was pleasantly surprised by how cheap it is. 12 dollars an hour. It's cheaper than going to a movie in manhattan.
(20 dollar cash deposit to rent, but you get it back).

Seriously, great cheap date. Bring a picnic.

Sorry about your employment issues. Best of luck!

320 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:20:46am

re: #319 iceweasel

Well, I'm sure I can scrape up the cash if I can get te date part down.

When's Jimmah heading back, again... ;)

321 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:24:16am

re: #319 iceweasel

Well, I was pleasantly surprised by how cheap it is. 12 dollars an hour. It's cheaper than going to a movie in manhattan.
(20 dollar cash deposit to rent, but you get it back).

Seriously, great cheap date. Bring a picnic.

Sorry about your employment issues. Best of luck!

How much is a movie in Manhattan these days?

I was joking about the 10 dollars packs of cigarettes today at my local store. I get mine for 4.50 but some are getting close to 7 bucks.

322 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:25:10am

re: #318 Gus 802

Hey Ice. Yeah, I saw that godofbiscuits weirdo and he was out pretty quick.

My neck. It's getting worse. Sometimes it flares up and the OTC pain meds help. I only take 4 a day max. I know I have to go to a doctor but you know how that violin plays.

Same old story with the rest. Hope you're doing well. Anything new?

Not much. Visa delay. Problematic as I gave up my lease. Hopefully it'll be sorted by the end of the month; if not, I have to find a sublet and Jimmah has to go back to Scotland for the duration. Not very happy.

It occurs to me that in the UK you can get Tylenol 3 (or whatever it is called there) without a prescription-- 500mg Tylenol (or similar) with a little (very little) codeine.

I've had people send me it in the past because there it's OTC for cramps. Anyway, I can mail you some if necessary. Keep in mind. It's not a substitute for the doctor but yeah I know how that goes...

323 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:26:29am

re: #321 Gus 802

How much is a movie in Manhattan these days?

I was joking about the 10 dollars packs of cigarettes today at my local store. I get mine for 4.50 but some are getting close to 7 bucks.

12.50 for a movie and cigarettes here are about 9.25 a pack.
They were 7 a pack even three, four years ago in NYC.

324 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:26:51am

re: #321 Gus 802

...

Average is around $8.50 in these parts.

325 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:28:16am

re: #324 JasonA

...

Average is around $8.50 in these parts.

Your bodegas are better. :(

326 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:28:43am

re: #325 iceweasel

Well... I'm in Yonkers. :)

327 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:28:48am

re: #323 iceweasel

re: #324 JasonA

9.25? 8.50? Does that come with a DVD and a magazine subscription?

328 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:29:36am

re: #327 Gus 802

You're lucky if they have matches. (They don't in paces like Walgreen's or CVS)

329 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:29:41am

re: #326 JasonA

Well... I'm in Yonkers. :)

Holy hell, really?
I know that place!
Where-- can I ask?

330 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:30:39am

re: #329 iceweasel

Holy hell, really?
I know that place!
Where-- can I ask?

Sure, ask away :)
Not too far from the Raceway. I'm sorry, Empire City.

331 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:31:16am

re: #328 JasonA

You're lucky if they have matches. (They don't in paces like Walgreen's or CVS)

Yeah, asking for matches these days is like the end of the world.

332 Lidane  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:32:56am

re: #324 JasonA

...

Average is around $8.50 in these parts.

Average is around $7 a pack here in Austin, and that's just at the local convenience store. Bars are way more expensive. Makes me glad I never developed the habit.

333 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:33:11am

re: #330 JasonA

Sure, ask away :)
Not too far from the Raceway. I'm sorry, Empire City.

I know that area extremely well!
Is the Raceway Diner there still decent? It's been awhile and I have no idea what it would be called now. :)

Haha-- yikes. Central Ave. Wow. Taking me back!1!

334 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:33:28am

re: #332 Lidane

That's where I developed the habit.

335 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:34:39am

re: #333 iceweasel

lol Raceway Diner's still there, though I haven't been in it in four or five years. I used to work in Cross County, too :)

336 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:38:28am

re: #335 JasonA

lol Raceway Diner's still there, though I haven't been in it in four or five years. I used to work in Cross County, too :)

Holy cannoli, that's freaking me out. So did a friend of mine. :)
Wow, this is freaky!

I heard they're rebuilding the whole thing and trying to make it a real mall. Good luck, as it's built on a swamp-- or so I heard then. I used to hitchhike to manhattan from there after visiting my friend.

337 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:39:43am

My double posts are obviously Jimmah, in spirit endorsing what I'm saying. /

?

338 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:39:54am

re: #335 JasonA

lol Raceway Diner's still there, though I haven't been in it in four or five years. I used to work in Cross County, too :)

Only thing I remember about Yonkers was seeing the exit signs. For some strange reason we would always jokes around and call it Jonkers. My dad was a security guard for a bit in White Plains.

339 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:41:15am

re: #336 iceweasel

Yeah, it's looking pretty nice. They're also buiding a new mall up on the Thruway, almost parallel to where the Yonkers Scarsdale border is up on Central Avenue. And yeah, it is built on a swamp. Supposedly it's sinking a little every year.

340 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:42:03am

re: #338 Gus 802

Only thing I remember about Yonkers was seeing the exit signs. For some strange reason we would always jokes around and call it Jonkers. My dad was a security guard for a bit in White Plains.

It's Dutch for 'young man', and IIRC was originally pronounced more like Jonker.

341 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:43:33am

re: #338 Gus 802

Only thing I remember about Yonkers was seeing the exit signs. For some strange reason we would always jokes around and call it Jonkers. My dad was a security guard for a bit in White Plains.

Heh. My dad had a bit of the Yonkers accent that you don't really hear anymore. White Plains is nice, too. Downtown it's almost like a little Manhattan for a couple of blocks. Nice big Trump tower that takes oodles of money to get into. All in all Westchester's a pretty nice place to live.

342 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:44:37am

re: #340 iceweasel

It's Dutch for 'young man', and IIRC was originally pronounced more like Jonker.

That would make sense. New Amsterdam and all. Not sure if we did that because of the Dutch accents or the Spanish accent from the folks.

343 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:45:20am

re: #340 iceweasel

It's Dutch for 'young man', and IIRC was originally pronounced more like Jonker.

Give the lady a ceegar.

"Jonkheer" or "Jonkvrouw" is literally translated as "young lord" or "young lady", or "esquire".

344 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:46:21am

re: #341 JasonA

Heh. My dad had a bit of the Yonkers accent that you don't really hear anymore. White Plains is nice, too. Downtown it's almost like a little Manhattan for a couple of blocks. Nice big Trump tower that takes oodles of money to get into. All in all Westchester's a pretty nice place to live.

Yeah. Everyone always looked up to that area. Westchester County you know. New Rochelle, Scarsdale, Mamaroneck. My grandfather lived in Mamaroneck for a while.

345 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:46:37am

re: #339 JasonA

Yeah, it's looking pretty nice. They're also buiding a new mall up on the Thruway, almost parallel to where the Yonkers Scarsdale border is up on Central Avenue. And yeah, it is built on a swamp. Supposedly it's sinking a little every year.

It's been forever since I've been around Yonkers. Famous for its segregation in the schools. BTW, also for Mafia issues. Tanglewood Gang.

It's fair to say I don't much like Yonkers. But Westchester is pretty cool in general though; White Plains and some other places. Yonkers is a little atypical imo.

346 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:49:07am

re: #344 Gus 802

Yeah. Everyone always looked up to that area. Westchester County you know. New Rochelle, Scarsdale, Mamaroneck. My grandfather lived in Mamaroneck for a while.

Ooo. Now that's livin' large. Yonkers is more like The Bronx of Westchester. Well, less so than Mount Vernon, but it ain't Rye.
re: #345 iceweasel

It's fair to say I don't much like Yonkers. But Westchester is pretty cool in general though; White Plains and some other places. Yonkers is a little atypical imo.

I really look forward to missing this place. :) No, it's not horrible, but I could use a change.

347 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:51:28am

re: #344 Gus 802

Yeah. Everyone always looked up to that area. Westchester County you know. New Rochelle, Scarsdale, Mamaroneck. My grandfather lived in Mamaroneck for a while.

It was a whole thing-- for certain people in certain NYC boroughs, moving to Westchester (even if it was Yonkers) was 'moving to the country'. High prestige factor for some people-- moving to Mount Vernon, New Rochelle, Yonkers from the Bronx or Queens was some cultural line for them.

Vastly different from moving to Scarsdale, Rye, mamaroneck, larchmont etc., (better schools) but there you go.

348 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:51:51am

re: #346 JasonA

Ooo. Now that's livin' large. Yonkers is more like The Bronx of Westchester. Well, less so than Mount Vernon, but it ain't Rye.

We never did figure out how he pulled that off. He went from Pittsburgh to Mamaroneck and then back to Buenos Aires and then poof!

349 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:52:30am

re: #346 JasonA

I really look forward to missing this place. :) No, it's not horrible, but I could use a change.

Haha-- Yeah. Did you grow up there?

350 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:54:05am

re: #347 iceweasel

It was a whole thing-- for certain people in certain NYC boroughs, moving to Westchester (even if it was Yonkers) was 'moving to the country'. High prestige factor for some people-- moving to Mount Vernon, New Rochelle, Yonkers from the Bronx or Queens was some cultural line for them.

Vastly different from moving to Scarsdale, Rye, mamaroneck, larchmont etc., (better schools) but there you go.

You got it. The dream was to land the nice job. Get a nice house in New Rochelle. Adirondack chairs, espresso roast, and the New York Times Magazine on Sunday. That and something like a white Volvo Turbo station wagon in the driveway.

351 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:57:54am

re: #349 iceweasel

Haha-- Yeah. Did you grow up there?

Yep. And to be fair Yonkers is big enough that it has some really nice areas (I'd say mid-eastern part of the city, by Tuckahoe) and some not-so-nice areas. It's odd. Usually some of the best real estate in a city is by the water, but here the lower-west side, by Getty Square, is one of the worst areas.

352 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:59:05am

re: #350 Gus 802

You got it. The dream was to land the nice job. Get a nice house in New Rochelle. Adirondack chairs, espresso roast, and the New York Times Magazine on Sunday. That and something like a white Volvo Turbo station wagon in the driveway.

Right. It's a whole package dream. Very American-dream type stuff. Summer home in the Catskills or Adironacks if you reached further.

I spent a little time in Rye. Now that was funny. /

353 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 12:59:29am

re: #350 Gus 802

You got it. The dream was to land the nice job. Get a nice house in New Rochelle. Adirondack chairs, espresso roast, and the New York Times Magazine on Sunday. That and something like a white Volvo Turbo station wagon in the driveway.

Nowadays people like to go even further up the line, close to Putnam County. Hell of a commute down to the City, though. Probably still better than crossing the GW twice a day, on the other hand.

354 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:02:08am

re: #351 JasonA

Yep. And to be fair Yonkers is big enough that it has some really nice areas (I'd say mid-eastern part of the city, by Tuckahoe) and some not-so-nice areas. It's odd. Usually some of the best real estate in a city is by the water, but here the lower-west side, by Getty Square, is one of the worst areas.

Jimmah and I were in Getty Square a couple of weeks ago. Like I said, Yonkers is different from other towns in Westchester. Gorgeous river views there, gorgeous houses (that are decrepit) on South Bway...worst neighbourhood in yonkers pretty much.

355 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:04:48am

re: #354 iceweasel

Heh. And not too far to the South you have... effin gorgeous Riverdale. It's a weird place.

356 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:04:58am

re: #353 JasonA

Nowadays people like to go even further up the line, close to Putnam County. Hell of a commute down to the City, though. Probably still better than crossing the GW twice a day, on the other hand.

That would be on the Jersey side or Englewood and Tenafly. Never spent much time there. Just a weekend and that involved riding in an old station wagon being driven by a 96 year old woman.

357 AK-47%  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:07:16am

re: #340 iceweasel

It's Dutch for 'young man', and IIRC was originally pronounced more like Jonker.

Gramercy was once "Krommer See" (curved lake), Flatbush was "Vlacht Bos" (flatwood) and there is a town in The Netherlands called Breukelen, pronounced, however almost like "Brooklyn".

Even Old New York was once New Amsterdam/
Why'd they change it, I can't say/
people just liked it better that way!

Vimeo
358 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:08:01am

re: #356 Gus 802

That would be on the Jersey side or Englewood and Tenafly. Never spent much time there. Just a weekend and that involved riding in an old station wagon being driven by a 96 year old woman.

Joisey driver!/
That sounds interesting. What happened?

359 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:08:09am

re: #357 ralphieboy

And let's not forget Spuyten Duyvil!

360 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:08:38am

re: #357 ralphieboy

Gramercy was once "Krommer See" (curved lake), Flatbush was "Vlacht Bos" (flatwood) and there is a town in The Netherlands called Breukelen, pronounced, however almost like "Brooklyn".

Even Old New York was once New Amsterdam/
Why'd they change it, I can't say/
people just liked it better that way!


[Video]

Automatic upding for anything referencing TMBG.

361 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:11:14am

re: #358 iceweasel

Joisey driver!/
That sounds interesting. What happened?

Oh, it was tiny bit hairy. She rode the shoulder a lot but she got around pretty good. Ended up in some chichi town further north and had lunch and they did some window shopping and we went into some stores.

362 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:12:21am

re: #358 iceweasel

Joisey driver!/
That sounds interesting. What happened?

Hey! You know Connecticut drivers are the worst.

//

363 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:13:26am

re: #362 Gus 802

Hey! You know Connecticut drivers are the worst.

//

I always thought they had people drive for them.//

364 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:15:47am

re: #363 JasonA

I always thought they had people drive for them.//

Yeah. People FROM JOISEY! /

365 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:16:55am

re: #364 iceweasel

Yeah. People FROM JOISEY! /

Now there's a state that really is taxed to high heaven. Hard to blame them for being so pissed off.

366 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:16:57am

re: #364 iceweasel

Yeah. People FROM JOISEY! /

Hey. If you're from Joisey the driver's manual says you can pass on the shoulder.

//

367 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:18:39am

re: #365 JasonA

Now there's a state that really is taxed to high heaven. Hard to blame them for being so pissed off.

I blame it all on the Hess refinery and the chemical plants.

/

368 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:22:47am

Alright, the title of my new thread is "A Time to Sleep." Stay dry, lizards.

And stay outta Joisey!

369 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:23:08am

re: #366 Gus 802

re: #365 JasonA

I actually really love Jersey. Beautiful in places, and the Jersey shore is gorgeous.

The driving thing is totally true though. /

I was once in a cab with this driver who spoke no English (apparently), except when some car held us up while trying to make a right on red on Park Ave.

In a tone of deepest disgust, and with a very thick and unidentifiable accent, the driver spoke the only words of English he would address to me:

"You see??? NEW JOISEY!"
(and i have to hand it to him for havng the noo yawk intonation of "Jersey" down cold).

370 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:23:10am

Left turn lane. Light turns green. You floor it and cut everybody off.

Come to a red light you hit the shoulder. Light turns green you race the guy on your left.

Someone is tailgating you? Hit the brakes.

371 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:26:36am

re: #370 Gus 802

Left turn lane. Light turns green. You floor it and cut everybody off.

Come to a red light you hit the shoulder. Light turns green you race the guy on your left.

Someone is tailgating you? Hit the brakes.

Don't forget the four way stop sign, where everyone comes to a full stop and then all go simultaneously, giving the finger, yelling, and swerving...

/hey, I follow the customs of the country.

372 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:28:13am

re: #369 iceweasel

re: #365 JasonA

I actually really love Jersey. Beautiful in places, and the Jersey shore is gorgeous.

The driving thing is totally true though. /

I was once in a cab with this driver who spoke no English (apparently), except when some car held us up while trying to make a right on red on Park Ave.

In a tone of deepest disgust, and with a very thick and unidentifiable accent, the driver spoke the only words of English he would address to me:

"You see??? NEW JOISEY!"
(and i have to hand it to him for havng the noo yawk intonation of "Jersey" down cold).

Yeah, it has it's beautiful spots. Most people think it's all like Newark or Hoboken but it's not. Most everybody drive the same regardless of the state. It's just the way people in the Northeast drive. I know now that I'm in Denver, make that Colorado, we drive differently here too which kind of spooks some Northeasterners in that going 90 MPH isn't too uncommon.

373 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:28:43am

re: #368 JasonA

Alright, the title of my new thread is "A Time to Sleep." Stay dry, lizards.

And stay outta Joisey!

Later Jason.

374 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:37:57am

Al and Tipper are separating.

One of them must have been listening to too many explicit lyrics.

/

375 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:40:46am

re: #372 Gus 802

Yeah, it has it's beautiful spots. Most people think it's all like Newark or Hoboken but it's not. Most everybody drive the same regardless of the state. It's just the way people in the Northeast drive. I know now that I'm in Denver, make that Colorado, we drive differently here too which kind of spooks some Northeasterners in that going 90 MPH isn't too uncommon.

It's so interesting-- the US is just damned interesting in that we're such a huge country and so diverse. Driving, everything-- different habits in different places. I feel more 'alien' in certain parts of the US as a New Yorker than I ever do in London. Which makes sense. London and NYC are very similar in some ways-- more like each other than NYC is like some other large American cities.

The bif difference for me in re the UK is that Americans drive more. Really--it makes a huge difference. We travel pretty damn extensively within our own country.
Not so much in the UK or other places in Europe.

People like to point to Americans not having passports as if that means we're provincial, but in reality we have way less vacation time and way more to explore in our own country.

Jimmah adds: a lot of these smug British bastards who cite that passport stat only use it to go to hideous places like Brit strongholds in Spain, where they will only see other Brit tourists and eat in sad places run by expats who serve them fish and chips, -- they go to the same place in Spain every year and pretend this gives them title to cosmopolitanism.

Iceweasel adds: this is completely true.

376 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:44:31am

re: #374 Gus 802

Al and Tipper are separating.

One of them must have been listening to too many explicit lyrics.

/

HA! I remember the PMRC. Heh.

377 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:51:22am

re: #375 iceweasel

It's so interesting-- the US is just damned interesting in that we're such a huge country and so diverse. Driving, everything-- different habits in different places. I feel more 'alien' in certain parts of the US as a New Yorker than I ever do in London. Which makes sense. London and NYC are very similar in some ways-- more like each other than NYC is like some other large American cities.

The bif difference for me in re the UK is that Americans drive more. Really--it makes a huge difference. We travel pretty damn extensively within our own country.
Not so much in the UK or other places in Europe.

People like to point to Americans not having passports as if that means we're provincial, but in reality we have way less vacation time and way more to explore in our own country.

Jimmah adds: a lot of these smug British bastards who cite that passport stat only use it to go to hideous places like Brit strongholds in Spain, where they will only see other Brit tourists and eat in sad places run by expats who serve them fish and chips, -- they go to the same place in Spain every year and pretend this gives them title to cosmopolitanism.

Iceweasel adds: this is completely true.

That's true. The USA isn't one monolithic culture. The changes are readily apparent within the states and easily noticed when you cross the state lines. Some states might be similar but there are major differences as we all know. In Europe it might be seen as being one monolithic culture but we here know that there are differences between say Ohio and Oregon.

There's even a form of, damn the word escapes me now. It's when you adapt to a new culture. The same thing happens when you move from state to state. You adapt to the state culture and often even begin to pick up the local dialects or accents. This is even observable with foreigners who maintain their particular accent but begin to use the local or state dialect.

In many respects the EU is an adaptation of the US concept. That being the "united" "states." While our difference are not as stark say between Spain and Germany there are similarities in our differences. The same is true with local laws as they change between states in the USA and change between nations in the EU.

378 freetoken  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 1:57:31am

re: #377 Gus 802

The same thing happens when you move from state to state. You adapt to the state culture and often even begin to pick up the local dialects or accents.


Dude... like, that's so cool...

379 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:00:06am

re: #377 Gus 802

That's true. The USA isn't one monolithic culture. The changes are readily apparent within the states and easily noticed when you cross the state lines. Some states might be similar but there are major differences as we all know. In Europe it might be seen as being one monolithic culture but we here know that there are differences between say Ohio and Oregon.

There's even a form of, damn the word escapes me now. It's when you adapt to a new culture. The same thing happens when you move from state to state. You adapt to the state culture and often even begin to pick up the local dialects or accents. This is even observable with foreigners who maintain their particular accent but begin to use the local or state dialect.

In many respects the EU is an adaptation of the US concept. That being the "united" "states." While our difference are not as stark say between Spain and Germany there are similarities in our differences. The same is true with local laws as they change between states in the USA and change between nations in the EU.

Exactly!!
I've been telling UK friends (and in other countries) for years that the EU is basically like the setup the US has always had. The way to understand US politics for them is to tell them to think of the individual states as like the individual countries in the EU-- because people in other countries have the problem of understanding how and why things differ in the US from state to state.
Tell them that the EU is replicating the US and it's easier for them to understand.

380 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:00:25am

re: #378 freetoken

Dude... like, that's so cool...

Hey, Freetoken. You helped me to think of the word I was looking for. Assimilation. In that it applies when you move to a new state.

381 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:04:15am

re: #379 iceweasel

Exactly!!
I've been telling UK friends (and in other countries) for years that the EU is basically like the setup the US has always had. The way to understand US politics for them is to tell them to think of the individual states as like the individual countries in the EU-- because people in other countries have the problem of understanding how and why things differ in the US from state to state.
Tell them that the EU is replicating the US and it's easier for them to understand.

Canada would be another example with their provinces. Made even more apparent with Quebec and the language changes.

382 freetoken  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:05:29am

re: #380 Gus 802

Assimilation. In that it applies when you move to a new state.

Resistance is always futile...

Youtube Video
383 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:08:02am

re: #381 Gus 802

Canada would be another example with their provinces. Made even more apparent with Quebec and the language changes.

Jimmah was just saying that wingnuts in America would use the EU,, if they could, to further tenther arguments.

If only they hadn't invested so much in pointing to the EU as an example of godless Euro-socialmalism, that is.

384 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:13:27am

re: #383 iceweasel

Jimmah was just saying that wingnuts in America would use the EU,, if they could, to further tenther arguments.

If only they hadn't invested so much in pointing to the EU as an example of godless Euro-socialmalism, that is.

Yeah, I know. But the thumpers say we're already godless ourselves. Europe isn't exactly godless. Spain is very Catholic as is Italy. Germany is also very Christian so I don't understand that minority argument. Angela Merkel is in the Christian Democratic Party. There are numerous "Christian" parties in Europe. Rome is the center of the Catholic Universe. The Church of England practically runs the UK. The Queen of England is also connected to the church. Ireland has had religious wars even into the 20th century. Poland is another Catholic State.

385 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:21:06am

re: #384 Gus 802

Church of England practically runs the UK. The Queen of England is also connected to the church.

I don't disagree with the rest of what you've said one bit.

the queen is the 'defender of the faith' --as one of her titles states, but in what way does the C of E run the UK?
It's pretty damned secular, so to speak.

386 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:22:27am

If Europe is "Godless" then I'm the Queen of England.

/re: #385 iceweasel

I don't disagree with the rest of what you've said one bit.

the queen is the 'defender of the faith' --as one of her titles states, but in what way does the C of E run the UK?
It's pretty damned secular, so to speak.

Oh I don't know. Maybe I listened to too many Pat Condell videos. He's always yapping about the Church of England.

387 freetoken  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:25:40am
Youtube Video
388 freetoken  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:27:44am

31 years later...

Youtube Video
389 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:31:44am

re: #388 freetoken

31 years later...

[Video]

The cognates just aren't working with this.

390 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:34:05am

re: #386 Gus 802

If Europe is "Godless" then I'm the Queen of England.

/

Oh I don't know. Maybe I listened to too many Pat Condell videos. He's always yapping about the Church of England.

Jimmah says : that sounds about right, re Condell. The C of E is stupid and annoying but also moribund and increasingly irrelevant, despite recent splutterings. What can you expect from a religion set up by a fat king who wanted more wives?/

iceweasel sez: Gus you're right! Spain and Italy to start.

Italy banned IVF for lesbians a few years ago (adoption by gay people is likewise out the door). They instituted a law specifically asking about sexual orientation for women paying for IVF-- to make sure no women who preferred women could get children in other ways.

That was a couple of years ago and I haven't followed more of it.

But no one who looks at Ireland's abortion laws and blasphemy laws alone can seriously claim europe is godless.

391 freetoken  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:35:45am

re: #389 Gus 802

The cognates just aren't working with this.

Yeah, unlike contemporary J-Pop where half the words are borrowed from English.

It was a very popular hit from the late '60's, I gather as there are several videos on youtube of her singing it. What struck me most is how well she aged.

Another of her hits:

Youtube Video
392 freetoken  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:37:00am

I should know better than to search youtube for these old Japanese videos... now I'm longing to go back again.

393 freetoken  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:37:53am

My Japanese is getting rusty too.... :-(

394 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:42:21am

re: #390 iceweasel

Jimmah says : that sounds about right, re Condell. The C of E is stupid and annoying but also moribund and increasingly irrelevant, despite recent splutterings. What can you expect from a religion set up by a fat king who wanted more wives?/

iceweasel sez: Gus you're right! Spain and Italy to start.

Italy banned IVF for lesbians a few years ago (adoption by gay people is likewise out the door). They instituted a law specifically asking about sexual orientation for women paying for IVF-- to make sure no women who preferred women could get children in other ways.

That was a couple of years ago and I haven't followed more of it.

But no one who looks at Ireland's abortion laws and blasphemy laws alone can seriously claim europe is godless.

I know. It's a stereotype that Europe is this godless or atheist country. Portugal is another example. They legalized abortion in 2007. The resistance was due in large part because of the Catholic church. They remain a highly religious country. It's a lot of bunk when they say they're Godless. Majorities are still with organized churches or deism. The rest are higher than the US with France being the highest with atheists. Overall though the majorities are believers.

395 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:44:03am

re: #393 freetoken

My Japanese is getting rusty too... :-(

Where in Japan did you reside?

396 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:45:33am

re: #394 Gus 802

I know. It's a stereotype that Europe is this godless or atheist country continent.

Oops.

I can see Wyoming from my patio.

/

397 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:51:42am

Morning!

398 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:54:30am

re: #396 Gus 802

Oops.

I can see Wyoming from my patio.

/

I'm jealous. :(

I can see Jersey from some places. Sometimes Brooklyn. But who looks there? /

399 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:54:44am

re: #397 Varek Raith

Morning!

Varek!

400 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:55:03am

re: #398 iceweasel

I'm jealous. :(

I can see Jersey from some places. Sometimes Brooklyn. But who looks there? /

Hey! I lived in Jersey!
:P

401 freetoken  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:55:13am

re: #395 Gus 802

In Kansai. I don't like the cold, and anything farther north it would have snowed. If I had lived in Tokyo I suppose I could have found a career opportunity that would have let/made me stay, but I never really liked that city (which is more like one honking big amalgamation of cities without end.) Much prefer the beauty of Nara or running around some dingy ancient neighborhood in Osaka.

The most Americanized city is probably Kobe, which I liked too. After the earthquake they rebuilt it and seem to have been inspired by the ritzy California communities (La Jolla, Newport, etc.)

Kamakura (south of Tokyo) also has a California vibe to it - sort of Carmel/Monterey. Had an all-day date with a Japanese friend whom I had known from here in San Diego a couple of years earlier - we didn't hit it off until I was in Japan... but it was a relationship that could never be (for a couple of reasons.) She liked Kamakura too... as it was the closest thing to California she could find.

402 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:55:35am

re: #398 iceweasel

I'm jealous. :(

I can see Jersey from some places. Sometimes Brooklyn. But who looks there? /

:) I was making a Palin joke because I called Europe a country.

403 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:55:56am

re: #397 Varek Raith

Morning!

Yay, Varek! What's up?
Fill me and Jimmah in on the news. ;)

404 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:56:47am

re: #400 Varek Raith

Hey! I lived in Jersey!
:P

I like Jersey. :)

405 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:58:16am

re: #403 iceweasel

Yay, Varek! What's up?
Fill me and Jimmah in on the news. ;)

Yesterday sucked. Waited all day at the DMV to renew my ID and never even set foot inside the building.
Sigh.
:)

406 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 3:01:52am

re: #305 iceweasel

DAMMIT I WAS AT KARAOKE

And yeah, I need to see the documentary :D

407 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 3:02:08am

re: #404 iceweasel

I like Jersey. :)

JOI-ZEEEEE

408 Gus  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 3:02:56am

I better go to bed before my head literally falls off.

Night Iceweasel!

And Jimmah.

Night Freetoken.

Night Varek.

Night WUB.

409 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 3:04:17am

re: #408 Gus 802

Literally! :D

410 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 3:05:29am

re: #408 Gus 802

I better go to bed before my head literally falls off.

Night Iceweasel!

And Jimmah.

Night Freetoken.

Night Varek.

Night WUB.

Night Gus! Always a pleasure, I miss you. Good night!

411 Nimed  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 3:06:38am

Hey guys. Great to see to see LGF so active (and with such august commenters) at this time of night/morning.

re: #394 Gus 802

I know. It's a stereotype that Europe is this godless or atheist country. Portugal is another example. They legalized abortion in 2007. The resistance was due in large part because of the Catholic church. They remain a highly religious country. It's a lot of bunk when they say they're Godless. Majorities are still with organized churches or deism. The rest are higher than the US with France being the highest with atheists. Overall though the majorities are believers.

Portugal legalized gay marriage a few days ago too! The Pope, of course, wasn't too happy about it. Tough shit.

Ok, so this is an Olbermann clip, but I'm pretty sure everyone around here (not just liberals) will enjoy it:

MSNBC Video
412 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 3:10:19am

re: #405 Varek Raith

Yesterday sucked. Waited all day at the DMV to renew my ID and never even set foot inside the building.
Sigh.
:)

Dude, I have to do that this week-- major hassle, as I'm supposedly moving to Scotland and I'll still be a US citizen, but as of the end of June I have no permanent address in the US.

How did you not get into the building? How is that possible?

413 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 3:12:47am

re: #406 WindUpBird

DAMMIT I WAS AT KARAOKE

And yeah, I need to see the documentary :D

Yes, you do! Sounds great. Jimmah and I wanted to catch it in a theatre two weeks ago but we were, uh, busy.

414 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 3:15:04am

re: #412 iceweasel

Dude, I have to do that this week-- major hassle, as I'm supposedly moving to Scotland and I'll still be a US citizen, but as of the end of June I have no permanent address in the US.

How did you not get into the building? How is that possible?

Only a few whatcamacallits were open. Probably backlogged from the holiday. That, and they were only open for about three hours.
Great Fun.

415 freetoken  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 3:22:36am
Youtube Video
416 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 3:26:27am

re: #414 Varek Raith

Only a few whatcamacallits were open. Probably backlogged from the holiday. That, and they were only open for about three hours.
Great Fun.

Oh that. Yeah. My sympathies.

Been to a DMV like that. When I go to hell I'll be in that DMV again. Forever.

417 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 3:34:19am

The Organizer? Really?

If I could be a superhero, I'd be Bakery Man!

418 AK-47%  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 3:35:49am

re: #411 Nimed

Hey guys. Great to see to see LGF so active (and with such august commenters) at this time of night/morning.


Portugal legalized gay marriage a few days ago too! The Pope, of course, wasn't too happy about it. Tough shit.

Ok, so this is an Olbermann clip, but I'm pretty sure everyone around here (not just liberals) will enjoy it:

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

hard to compare. There are around 20-odd million registered Catholics in germany and a similar number of Lutherans, several million Muslims and memebers of other smaller Christian and non-Christian religions.

But most of the Catholics and Protestants aren#t religious in the American sense: they respect their Church as a cultural and social institution and part of their national heritage.

But the churches have a big influence in political and cultural life here, there is a (voluntary) Church tax and (optional) religious instruction in public schools.

And tomorrow is another Public holiday in the Catholic parts of Germany (but not in the Prtestant-majority states) Corpus Christi.

The joke is that you have to ask a half-dozen Germans before you can find one who has any idea what the holiday is about other than a day off and for most a long weekend (lots of Germans take one of their 5-6 weeks' worth of vacation days on the Friday as well)

419 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 3:42:00am

re: #418 ralphieboy

Realized the other day, I have not taken a vacation in 8 years. Probably have taken 10 days off in that time (including sick days), but, never more than one off in a row.

420 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 4:20:05am

re: #419 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Realized the other day, I have not taken a vacation in 8 years. Probably have taken 10 days off in that time (including sick days), but, never more than one off in a row.

FBV, you're a good guy and you love your family. We all know this (I think it's very obvious to anyone who reads).

How do you feel about someone in the US who doesn't have a job, is heavily in debt, won't go to charity, churches, OR apply for food stamps or gov't programs, and prefers to aggressively 'beg' (read:demand) money from fellow commenters on LGF?

How's that?

421 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 4:23:24am

There's a lot of 'fiscal conservatives' I'd like to see explain what they mean by it. That's all.

422 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 4:24:13am

re: #420 iceweasel

I truly don't know what you're talking about.

Haven't seen/noticed it.

423 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 4:37:31am

re: #420 iceweasel

But, I guess I'll venture in. Conservative, right wing, fiscal conservative does not automatically equate to 100%, full-time, lucrative employment (we can't all own Halliburton). It is a way that one would want the government to act.

As far as refusing "alms" from a social/religious/government network, it is a personal choice.

I don't recall a lizard "shout out" for money, tho. I have seen lizards lamenting their financial straights, I have even purchased stuff from Lizards to help them out (in turn help me out, cause they had some shit I really wanted [Does the DEA read LGF? That might've read wrong]).

But I haven't seen that as begging (demanding) money from me.

One of the advantages of being thick? Hints go right over my head.

424 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 4:38:57am

re: #422 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I truly don't know what you're talking about.

Haven't seen/noticed it.

Really?
Cool. Bookmarked.

BTW, made a three berry pie with a lattice top last night for Jimmah. We thought of you!

425 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 4:43:04am

re: #423 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


I don't recall a lizard "shout out" for money, tho.

It happened privately, sort of.
A certain lizard emailing people for money, and then launching a hatefilled campaign against people when they didn't cough up every few weeks.
Just so you know!

426 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 4:48:10am

re: #425 iceweasel

Well, I wasn't on the list.

427 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 4:51:59am

re: #426 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, I wasn't on the list.

How nice for you!

I wasn't either. :)

428 Jadespring  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 4:54:37am

Morning all.

429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 4:57:21am

re: #428 Jadespring

Good morning!

430 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:02:02am

Good morning lizards!

431 Jadespring  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:04:31am

Not been around much because my sister is visiting. It's been good but really hard as well. Good because it's the first time in 6 months that we've really had a chance to talk and spend some time together. Hard because she's having some fairly serious mental health and health issues right now which she isn't really dealing with that well. I at least am happy that she wants to spend some time with me because as late as last week I was apparently the devil incarnate for things that I never even did or said.

Whole thing just sucks. It's like living on a roller coaster.

432 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:04:39am

re: #430 NJDhockeyfan

dude.

433 Li'l Mamzer  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:05:20am

OT (I just had to post this):

Gaza Humanitarian Crisis? Where?

Fascinating recent 17-page travel journal from American woman who spent 9 days amongst the residents of Gaza. Despite obvious anti-Israel bias, her many photos (and text) don't show anything close to extreme hardship. In fact, Gaza looks affluent and comfortable, especially the visit to the Roots Resort.

434 Lidane  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:05:30am

Morning, Lizards!

Got excellent news today-- I have been accepted into the MBA program I was aiming for. I start in August. Woohoo! :D

435 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:05:46am

re: #432 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

dude.

Dude!

436 Jadespring  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:07:32am

re: #434 Lidane

Morning, Lizards!

Got excellent news today-- I have been accepted into the MBA program I was aiming for. I start in August. Woohoo! :D

Congrats! That's wonderful. :)

437 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:13:59am

re: #99 HoosierHoops

I saw the Kermit the Frog biography show one day.. The part where he rose to fame..rolling in the bed naked with 100 dollars bills..Big City..Big Lights..
And then he sunk to the depths of Hell in a drug fueled Hollywood life filled with hookers and starlets...Often whisked away from nighclubs at 4am in a hail of bullets raining one dollars bills down the road out the window..
One Day Kermit found redemption and checked into a drug halfway house...
(OK Booze and sex but we don't talk about that often)
Kermit turned his life around by the end of the show and it was a very happy ending..Sober 342 days now..
And is now doing public service Children shows by Court order...
And Piggy has lifted her restraining order..

So that's who South Park was spoofing when they did the "Towelie" intervention episode.

438 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:15:13am

DUDE.TM

439 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:17:13am

re: #438 Cannadian Club Akbar

DUDE.TM

UBER!

440 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:17:56am

re: #439 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

UBER!

I don't speak Spanish.

441 Lidane  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:20:22am

re: #438 Cannadian Club Akbar

DUDE.TM

Youtube Video
442 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:20:38am

Any news from the Gulf? Anyone?

443 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:22:15am

re: #442 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Any news from the Gulf? Anyone?

Oil slick 9 miles from Florida coast.

444 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:22:32am

re: #442 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Any news from the Gulf? Anyone?

This is why I might move.

445 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:24:47am

Oh Gawd!

If you had AIDS, why would you want to have a baby, but... geeze.

446 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:30:38am

Iran listens to Glenn Beck. Heh.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

447 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:31:29am

re: #445 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh Gawd!

If you had AIDS, why would you want to have a baby, but... geeze.

Do you think that all pregnant people want to be pregnant?

448 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:32:40am

re: #447 iceweasel

Of course not!

449 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:35:58am

re: #447 iceweasel

Did you think I posted that in support of sterilization of women?

450 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:37:45am

Another reason to grow your own....


'Dirty dozen' produce carries more pesticide residue, group says

If you're eating non-organic celery today, you may be ingesting 67 pesticides with it, according to a new report from the Environmental Working Group.
....
Most alarming are the fruits and vegetables dubbed the "Dirty Dozen," which contain 47 to 67 pesticides per serving. These foods are believed to be most susceptible because they have soft skin that tends to absorb more pesticides.

"It's critical people know what they are consuming," the Environmental Working Group's Amy Rosenthal said. "The list is based on pesticide tests conducted after the produce was washed with USDA high-power pressure water system. The numbers reflect the closest thing to what consumers are buying at the store."

451 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:38:19am

The Israel haters are really frothing.

452 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:38:28am

re: #434 Lidane

Morning, Lizards!

Got excellent news today-- I have been accepted into the MBA program I was aiming for. I start in August. Woohoo! :D

That's awesome - except for the part about having to take classes, write papers, study, etc. :)

453 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:39:02am

re: #451 Killgore Trout

The Israel haters are really frothing.

Where?

454 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:39:03am

re: #450 Killgore Trout

Maybe it keeps down on the tapeworm?

455 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:39:34am

re: #448 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Of course not!

Ok.

Sterilization is a drastic tactic to treat HIV-positive women, as mother-to-child transmission of HIV/AIDS can be prevented with medication.

Note well the last line of your link, quoted above. They're sterilizing women who are HIV-pos without their consent.

456 AK-47%  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:42:04am

re: #419 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Realized the other day, I have not taken a vacation in 8 years. Probably have taken 10 days off in that time (including sick days), but, never more than one off in a row.

It's labo(u)r law here in the EU: a minimum of 20 paid vacation days a year, plus 10-20 paid holidays per year, depending on the country or region and the year (they generally don't move holidays that fall on weekends).

But I am a self-employed person these days, so any days I take off are at my own expense.

457 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:43:33am

re: #455 iceweasel

Yes I read the whole thing (all by myself, even).

I only support forced sterilization (and I mean surgical castration) for child molesters, which I support with every thread of my being.

458 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:43:48am

re: #449 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did you think I posted that in support of sterilization of women?

Course not! I know you're married to a woman and love her and IIRC you have daughters.

You're a very pro-woman person anyway. I know you're conservative and even if you don't like the word 'feminist' imo you are one: a person who sees women as people.

459 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:45:35am

re: #456 ralphieboy

It's labo(u)r law here in the EU: a minimum of 20 paid vacation days a year, plus 10-20 paid holidays per year,

SOCIALMALISM!11!

/

460 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:46:11am

re: #458 iceweasel

A son and a daughter.

As far as me being a feminist? If you don't mind a feminist who considers women as equal people, as well as sexual objects to be worshiped and adored? Sure.

461 Lidane  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:46:24am

re: #452 Mad Al-Jaffee

That's awesome - except for the part about having to take classes, write papers, study, etc. :)

Heh, true. Still, I don't mind. It's all worth it, IMO. :D

462 Li'l Mamzer  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:46:31am

re: #453 Cannadian Club Akbar

Ummmmm, MSM, the entire Arab and Muslim world, Europe, Middle East Studies departments on every campus, Obama's erstwhile long-time pastor, lots of places........

463 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:47:08am

re: #457 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yes I read the whole thing (all by myself, even).

I only support forced sterilization (and I mean surgical castration) for child molesters, which I support with every thread of my being.

Molester are a mind fuck. It isn't, for them, about doing something. It is really about "thinking about it". SPIT.

464 AK-47%  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:47:09am

re: #459 iceweasel

SOCIALMALISM!11!

/


People should have the right to be worked to death in order to make ends meet.

/

465 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:48:53am

Okay, I'm gonna admit something embarrassing.

I've been on a "Hearts" kick on my computer lately. I am the worst card player I have ever met. Or the Computer cheats.

I'm starting to believe the latter.

466 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:49:03am

Israel must have a consulate office here in Philadelphia near where I work. I work by a small (5-10) person demonstration every Friday at lunch time on the one corner. (With the 2-4 person counter-demonstration across the street from it.) Both groups generally middle-aged in composition.

Yesterday after work a demonstration was on the same block, but quite a bit bigger (100? or so) and also being much noisier since photographers and media were present. Looked to be a much younger crowd with a lot of college students mixed in.

Nothing like a little bit of manufactured outrage.

Hmm, guess I walked past it when it was still forming up. Link - Phia Inquirer

467 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:49:10am

re: #462 Li'l Mamzer

Ummm, MSM, the entire Arab and Muslim world, Europe, Middle East Studies departments on every campus, Obama's erstwhile long-time pastor, lots of places...

You ain't telling me something I don't know.

468 Vambo  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:49:29am

I haven't been around, so I don't know if this was posted, but... it's my new favorite Facebook page!

Plugging the Gulf oil leak with the works of Ayn Rand.
[Link: www.facebook.com...]

469 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:49:29am

pimf. I walk by, not work by. :p

471 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:51:02am

re: #470 Killgore Trout

Why would they put a target dead center of a vest?

472 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:51:23am

re: #460 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A son and a daughter.

As far as me being a feminist? If you don't mind a feminist who considers women as equal people, as well as sexual objects to be worshiped and adored? Sure.

Yep. You kidding? Yeah.

If you think women are equal you're a feminist. Surprise!

We're also very cool with the sexual object and worship and adoration though. Just sayin'.

473 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:53:18am

re: #472 iceweasel

I'm not a philanderer, but I could be one.

474 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:54:18am

re: #472 iceweasel

Yep. You kidding? Yeah.

If you think women are equal you're a feminist. Surprise!

We're also very cool with the sexual object and worship and adoration though. Just sayin'.

I'll take a big boobed blond and a small diet coke.
/

475 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:55:14am

re: #471 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why would they put a target dead center of a vest?

I think the vests must be from the Red Crescent (Islamic version of the Red Cross)

476 Ericus58  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:55:57am

re: #470 Killgore Trout

Photos of Bullet Proof Vests, Sawn-Off Rods, Night Vision Goggles and Rifle Scope Found on Mavi Marmara, 2 June 2010

ah, the Flag of Turkey?
Between the volatile accusations and announcements by the PM and FM of Turkey and Turkey's direct involvement in this flotilla's aim to break the blockade - we are seeing the emergence of Turkey's ambitions within the context of the being a power in the ME.

I look for re-commitments of the military ties growing between Turkey, Iran and Syria next.

477 Li'l Mamzer  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:56:26am

re: #467 Cannadian Club Akbar

You ain't telling me something I don't know.

I know - it's relfexive - the snark wasn't directed at you.
I'm edgy, what can I say - no offense.

478 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:57:41am

re: #477 Li'l Mamzer

I know - it's relfexive - the snark wasn't directed at you.
I'm edgy, what can I say - no offense.

None taken.:)

479 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:00:44am

This should work out well.

480 Lidane  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:01:07am

re: #468 Vambo

I haven't been around, so I don't know if this was posted, but... it's my new favorite Facebook page!

Plugging the Gulf oil leak with the works of Ayn Rand.
[Link: www.facebook.com...]

Heh. That's awesome.

One of the funniest blog posts I've read in ages was someone reviewing the first chapter of The Fountainhead. Here's an excerpt:

This is some of the ugliest prose I have ever encountered in my life. Nothing fits and everything feels as though it's been slapped there for effect. It's just so...Sixth Form, for want of a better expression. This is the kind of vague metaphorical puke you spew forth while listening to Radiohead's Fake Plastic Trees and crying into your UCAS forms because your boyfriend hasn't called. (Well, I did. I don't know what you were doing.)

Howard has a chat with the Dean in which he basically says learning about architecture is worthless to him because he's just that fucking l33t - in the process of which he appears to diss Palladio, dismissing all Renaissance architecture as 'Italian postcards'. Naturally Rand doesn't mention Palladio by name because what Ayn Rand appears to know about architecture could very well be written on the back of an Italian postcard with plenty of room leftover to draw a big hairy cock with jizz-drops squirting from the crown. And balls. Massive balls.

Then Howard takes a ruler and tells the Dean that the Parthenon is a pile of shite. Howard, you're like, soooo edgy! You're the edgiest iconoclast to ever slaughter a sacred cow! Wow, you're so daring!

I cannot believe this book was written by an adult. It reads like the frothings of a very angry teenager.

One of the commenters puts it beautifully, IMO: "Seriously, The Fountainhead is Twilight for libertarians."

482 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:04:08am

re: #481 NJDhockeyfan

Attacking someone with a cross-cut saw? WTF?

My brother saw, he saw, a saw, that could out saw any saw, you ever saw saw.

483 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:04:37am

Meteorite found along Ore. road estimated at 4.5 billion years old

An extremely rare and pristine meteorite was found on the side of the road in Eastern Oregon and experts say it’s 4.5 billion years old.

Don Wesson found the rock 11 years ago in rural Morrow County and he is just learning about its rare qualities. It was just the fifth meteorite ever found in Oregon.

After watching a TV show about meteorites recently, Wesson brought his rock to the experts who had a big surprise for him. They said they believe the rock hit the earth between 200 and 800 years ago but it’s actually even older than that – by far.

“It's a piece of the asteroid belt, a leftover from the formation of the solar system, No two are quite alike,” Wesson explained, recalling what the experts had told him.

Wesson said he was thrilled to learn more about his rock but already has the amazing satisfaction of knowing he’s touched something from outer space.

484 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:04:45am

re: #482 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Attacking someone with a cross-cut saw? WTF?

My brother saw, he saw, a saw, that could out saw any saw, you ever saw saw.

"I can see!" said the blind man, as he picked up his hammer and saw.

485 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:05:14am

re: #482 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

GAH!

486 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:05:17am

re: #481 NJDhockeyfan

From that link:

Photos of Rioters’ Weapons Including Slingshot with “Hizbullah” Written Across Handle, 2 June 2010

Yup. There's no doubt the "Peace Protesters" are terrorist sympathizers.

487 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:06:12am

re: #482 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They were using the saw to cut the railings on the ship to use the poles as weapons.

488 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:07:24am

re: #474 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'll take a big boobed blond and a small diet coke.
/

You said "I'll take".

Bzzzt. Back to the end of the line. Do not pass Go.

The big-boobed blonde and I will drink your diet coke, we drink it up. /

489 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:08:50am

re: #487 Killgore Trout

No, KT. I can't get the link to work. A picture with knives... includes some old saws. Not the power saws...

490 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:09:47am

re: #474 Cannadian Club Akbar
re: #488 iceweasel

HAH! THEY DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!

491 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:09:52am

re: #473 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm not a philanderer, but I could be one.

naw. Well, in the sexxxy bastard sense, yes, you could!

492 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:10:46am

Glenn Greenwald Blasts Israel's Rationale for Seizing Gaza Aid Ships

Youtube Video
493 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:11:54am

re: #488 iceweasel

You said "I'll take".

Bzzzt. Back to the end of the line. Do not pass Go.

The big-boobed blonde and I will drink your diet coke, we drink it up. /

Newman!!!
/

494 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:12:52am

re: #492 Killgore Trout

The sound sucks on Greenie's side... can't understand him.

495 Li'l Mamzer  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:13:37am

re: #494 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The sound sucks on Greenie's side... can't understand him.

It's a blessing.

496 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:14:04am

re: #494 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah, the audio is tough to listen to. Glenn's stupidity doesn't help.

497 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:14:20am

Does anyone know who are the members of parliament and other European terrorist sympathizers were?

498 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:14:59am

re: #451 Killgore Trout

The Israel haters are really frothing.

And, seething?

499 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:15:06am

re: #496 Killgore Trout

Yeah, the audio is tough to listen to. Glenn's stupidity doesn't help.

I realized after understanding the first couple of sentences that it wasn't worth the effort.

A hearing disability is not always a bad thing.

500 Lidane  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:16:16am

I'm deliberately avoiding the topic of the Israeli/Gaza ship confrontation. I don't know enough about what the hell is going on over there to make any sort of informed comment, so I'm keeping my mouth shut on it.

That said, could someone please explain this bit of WTF-ery from the Supreme Court:

Court: Suspects must say they want to be silent

If I have the right to remain silent, shouldn't staying silent be enough of a clue that I'm invoking my Miranda rights?

501 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:16:56am

Behold the giant Ray of Death, American style!

Navy's drone death ray takes out targets

For years, the U.S. Navy has been pursuing a workable ray gun that could provide a leap ahead in ship self-defenses.

Now, with a series of tests of a system called the Laser Weapon System, or LaWS), it may be one step closer to that goal.

Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA), the service's technology development arm, announced today that LaWS had "successfully tracked, engaged, and destroyed" a drone in flight, during an over-the-water engagement at San Nicholas Island, California.

502 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:17:48am

re: #486 Killgore Trout

Yup. There's no doubt the "Peace Protesters" are terrorist sympathizers.

"Terrorist sympathizer" is too long for my lazy butt to type so I might go with "tersymps".

503 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:18:15am

re: #500 Lidane

If I want to be silent I say nothing.

504 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:18:22am

Hillary Clinton On Gaza Incident: US Supports UN's Condemnation

"The United States supports the Security Counsel's condemnation of the acts leading to this tragedy and we urge Israel to permit full counselor access to the individuals involved and to allow the countries concerned to retrieve their deceased and wounded immediately."

505 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:18:59am

re: #502 MandyManners

"Terrorist sympathizer" is too long for my lazy butt to type so I might go with "tersymps".

Sounds like some kind of turtle when said out loud.

506 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:19:10am

re: #492 Killgore Trout

Ah, Glenn doesn't get it - never has. But for Palestinian terrorism and an incessant and very public desire to eradicate Israel, there would have been peace.

After all, if Arafat accepted the Oslo process, there would have been a 2-state solution with a Palestinian state. He refused.

He again refused in 2000.

His successor Abbas is no different and refuses to accept a 2-state solution.

Now, we've got Fatah controlling the West Bank and Hamas controlling Gaza and each is playing the triangle offense with Israel.

Each Israeli concession is treated as a sign of weakness and lack of resolve to fight the Palestinians - giving the Palestinians hope that continued war and violence will wear down Israel's defenders and Israel's polity.

It's the long struggle and the Palestinians are more than willing to throw generations of Palestinians away in the hope of destroying Israel. The indoctrination starts early and often and doesn't end. Each attack on Israel that is met with Israeli reprisal raids is seen as a glorious occasion to extol the virtues of martyrdom and death and destruction of Israel - regardless of the toll to Palestinian civilians.

The flotilla incident is no different. The blockade is there because the Palestinians want war with Israel and Israel is doing what it can under international law to prevent the terrorists from rearming. Humanitarian aid and food is plentiful in Gaza regardless of the propaganda provided by Hamas and their allies. The ability to wage war with Israel isn't where Hamas wants it to be, and the blockade is a big part of that. Running the blockade and showing its ineffectiveness would enable Hamas and the terror masters in Syria and Iran to rearm and resupply Hamas with the latest in weapons - putting Israeli security at even greater risk.

For all the talk of Israeli concessions and that Israel must be held accountable - there is no talk of holding Hamas responsible for any of this - despite the fact that but for Hamas' position on Israel, there would have been no blockade and cross border traffic would have been normalized.

After all, before Hamas came to power, Palestinians regularly crossed from Gaza into Israel to work on construction projects and at businesses throughout Israel - but the crossings became a favorite infiltration point for terrorists.

507 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:19:54am

re: #500 Lidane

I've always wondered how many arrestees actively listen to a Miranda Warning and could explain (not recite) it back to a police officer.

508 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:20:00am

re: #497 MandyManners

Does anyone know who are the members of parliament and other European terrorist sympathizers were?

LOL.

You don't even know who 'they' might be, or what 'parliament' they belong to. All you know is that you hate them.

LOL.

509 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:20:18am

re: #504 NJDhockeyfan

Hillary Clinton On Gaza Incident: US Supports UN's Condemnation

And, so the knife slips in.

Watch who says he has your back, Israel.

510 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:20:53am

re: #500 Lidane

It would appear that the Court wants defendants to make an affirmative step towards invoking Miranda - their silence isn't sufficient. They analogize it to the need to affirmatively declare their intention to seek legal counsel.

511 Ericus58  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:21:26am

re: #504 NJDhockeyfan

Hillary Clinton On Gaza Incident: US Supports UN's Condemnation

The Turkish FM upon arriving back in Ankara told the press that he's quite satisfied with Washington's agreement and understanding the position of Turkey in this matter - after having private talks with Hillary.

As reported by the BBC on NPR this morning.

Just what is Washington saying to both Israel and Turkey? both sides of the mouth?

512 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:23:29am

Kettle's whistling.

513 Li'l Mamzer  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:25:07am

re: #505 MandyManners

Sounds like some kind of turtle when said out loud.

Hey, I'm a Terp, but I won't take it personally.

514 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:26:06am

Out for a bit.

515 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:26:09am

Mornin' Honcos! I know FNC is bad juju to some folks here but they have one of the 'flotilla organizers' on now. Dudes name is Shapiro. Free Gaza Now org.

516 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:26:43am

re: #506 lawhawk

Well said.

517 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:27:45am

Backs are being' stabbin'.

I'm gonna bake a pie, yes I am.

518 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:28:26am

According to Mr. Shapiro, IHH is not a terrorist org.!?

519 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:29:07am

re: #518 pingjockey

According to Mr. Shapiro, IHH is not a terrorist org.!?

No, they're a humanitarian group!!

LOL

520 Lidane  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:29:17am

re: #510 lawhawk

It would appear that the Court wants defendants to make an affirmative step towards invoking Miranda - their silence isn't sufficient. They analogize it to the need to affirmatively declare their intention to seek legal counsel.

So basically, the Court is wanting people to outright say, "I want a lawyer and I'm not talking to you" when they get arrested?

I guess I can see the sense in that. I'm curious how they crafted that opinion, though. Guess I'll be heading over to Findlaw today to read both the majority and the dissents.

521 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:30:57am

re: #513 Li'l Mamzer

Hey, I'm a Terp, but I won't take it personally.

You're in Maryland?

522 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:31:22am

re: #509 MandyManners

So much for "not an inch of daylight".

523 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:31:36am

re: #519 NJDhockeyfan

Heh. That's what the man said. Said IHH was helping out in Hati.

524 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:31:54am

According to CBS, Al Gore's marriage failure is George Bush's Fault™!

That man has contributed to more death & destruction than you can shake a stick at.

525 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:33:39am

DAMN IT! I'm so tired of wet weather here on the east side of the Cascades. It's raining again! If I wanted to put up with working in the wet, I'd move to the west side!

526 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:34:31am

re: #524 NJDhockeyfan
The man is a walking demo crew I tell ya!

527 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:34:52am

re: #520 Lidane

So basically, the Court is wanting people to outright say, "I want a lawyer and I'm not talking to you" when they get arrested?

I guess I can see the sense in that. I'm curious how they crafted that opinion, though. Guess I'll be heading over to Findlaw today to read both the majority and the dissents.

You no longer have the right to remain silent--unless you SPEAK and tell people "I am invoking my right to be silent".

SCOTUS blog link explaining it.

By a 5-4 vote, the Court for the first time made two things clear about Miranda rights: first, if a suspect does not want to talk to police — that is, to invoke a right to silence — he must say so, with a clear statement because it is not enough to sit silently or to remain uncooperative, even through a long session;
528 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:34:53am

re: #523 pingjockey

Heh. That's what the man said. Said IHH was helping out in Hati.

I don't suppose he mentioned the al-Qaeda connection to the flotilla...

Attackers of the IDF soldiers found to be Al Qaeda mercenaries

In a special meeting of the Security Cabinet it was disclosed that a group of 40 people on board the Mavi Marmara with no identification papers belong to Al Qaeda. The terrorists were equipped with bullet proof vests, night-vision goggles, and weapons.

529 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:34:53am

re: #520 Lidane

So basically, the Court is wanting people to outright say, "I want a lawyer and I'm not talking to you" when they get arrested?

I guess I can see the sense in that. I'm curious how they crafted that opinion, though. Guess I'll be heading over to Findlaw today to read both the majority and the dissents.

[Link: www.supremecourt.gov...]

530 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:36:30am

re: #528 NJDhockeyfan
Of course not. The Israelis attacked the 'peace activists' first!

531 Li'l Mamzer  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:36:35am

re: #521 MandyManners

You're in Maryland?

[..checking..] Yep, right here in Bethesda.

You, too?

532 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:36:53am

re: #517 iceweasel

Backs are being' stabbin'.

I'm gonna bake a pie, yes I am.

If our President supports condemnation of Israel for enforcing it's blockade, make that humble pie. That blockade saves lives. Israeli lives and gives the military responses to missile attacks-Gazan lives too.

533 abolitionist  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:37:08am

IMO, very bad precident:
US court: Catholic woman must live as Orthodox Jew

Catholic couple ordered to live Hasidic lifestyle in order to be able to see husband's son, who was born to ultra-Orthodox Jewish mother

Laura Derbigney, a Hispanic Catholic woman, has been placed under court order to keep Shabbat, keep kosher and live as a Hasidic Jew. This court order was carried out in Chicago [snip]

Derbigney’s husband Nelson, also a Catholic, has a son by his first wife, a seven-year old who must carry out ultra-Orthodox restrictions with his Catholic father as he has with his biological mother, and this is the reasoning behind the court’s order to have the boy’s father and new step-mother live in the ways of a Hasidic Jew.

The court orders also forbid use of a car for the child's transport on the sabbath, or sports or use of electronics on that day.

With decisions like this, I suspect the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment will soon mean little or nothing. Or it may help to make promotion of sharia law a cakewalk.

534 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:37:09am

re: #525 pingjockey

DAMN IT! I'm so tired of wet weather here on the east side of the Cascades. It's raining again! If I wanted to put up with working in the wet, I'd move to the west side!

Yeah, it's been a heartbreaking spring in my garden. It's been too wet and cold to get my summer veg growing. Tomatoes drowned, potatoes just rotting in the ground, an unstoppable army of slugs roaming free. It looks like we're in for at least 10 more days of rain here in Portland. It's almost comical.

535 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:37:21am

re: #531 Li'l Mamzer

[..checking..] Yep, right here in Bethesda.

You, too?

I'm not far from you. Live in College Park, work in DC.

536 Lidane  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:37:22am

re: #527 iceweasel

You no longer have the right to remain silent--unless you SPEAK and tell people "I am invoking my right to be silent".

Ah. Well that's a different beast entirely. Hmm. I definitely have some reading in my future.

537 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:37:34am

re: #424 iceweasel

Really?
Cool. Bookmarked.

BTW, made a three berry pie with a lattice top last night for Jimmah. We thought of you!

I got my new pastry supplies yesterday--a marble rolling pin and pastry stone, and a dough scraper. I just have to decide what kind of pie to make first. I'm thinking blueberry.

538 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:37:44am

re: #528 NJDhockeyfan

That's big news.

539 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:37:48am

re: #530 pingjockey

Of course not. The Israelis attacked the 'peace activists' first!

That would be the humanitarian wing of al-Qaeda, right?

540 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:38:12am

re: #531 Li'l Mamzer

[..checking..] Yep, right here in Bethesda.

You, too?

No but, having grown up in the South were football was the second religion, I got to know a few teams' names.

541 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:38:14am

Bad news watch for the automakers. Looks like annualized sales are falling below expectations, so while the automakers will trumpet that their sales were up (and sometimes up significantly from a year ago), the sales are still well below forecast projections.

Moreover, the number of cars sold remains a poor indicator of automaker health.

Profits per vehicle sold is a far better indicator - and if companies are throwing tons of money in incentives for sales, then profits take a nosedive, and undermine the viability of those companies. After all, GM was selling more cars than anyone else in the world and it went bankrupt - because it was losing money on all those cars sold. Now? It's potentially breaking even, which is still insufficient because of its remaining debt obligations.

542 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:38:41am

re: #538 Rightwingconspirator

That's big news.

Only if the MSM reports it. Don't hold your breath.

543 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:39:02am

re: #534 Killgore Trout

Are the tads still okay?

544 Li'l Mamzer  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:39:09am

re: #535 Mad Al-Jaffee

I'm not far from you. Live in College Park, work in DC.

Excellent.
I work near Union Station / Red Line.

545 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:39:32am

re: #541 lawhawk

Bad news watch for the automakers. Looks like annualized sales are falling below expectations, so while the automakers will trumpet that their sales were up (and sometimes up significantly from a year ago), the sales are still well below forecast projections.

Moreover, the number of cars sold remains a poor indicator of automaker health.

Profits per vehicle sold is a far better indicator - and if companies are throwing tons of money in incentives for sales, then profits take a nosedive, and undermine the viability of those companies. After all, GM was selling more cars than anyone else in the world and it went bankrupt - because it was losing money on all those cars sold. Now? It's potentially breaking even, which is still insufficient because of its remaining debt obligations.

Cash for Clunkers II coming?

546 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:39:37am

re: #534 Killgore Trout
Wetter than normal down there too? We had damn near 2" of rain for May here in the Wenatchee area. Hell, we only get a foot of precip total for the year, that includes snow pack!

547 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:39:54am

re: #453 Cannadian Club Akbar

Where?

Everywhere.

548 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:40:41am

re: #539 NJDhockeyfan
Riiiight!

549 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:41:08am

re: #544 Li'l Mamzer

Excellent.
I work near Union Station / Red Line.

Me too. I'm at Mass and North Capitol NW.

550 Li'l Mamzer  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:41:10am

re: #540 MandyManners

No but, having grown up in the South were football was the second religion, I got to know a few teams' names.

Very good, Mandy.
Speaking of college football, by pure coincidence I was in Tuscaloosa the night of the NCAA Championship game earlier this year. I wasn't paying any attention to the bowl games, and didn't even know Bama was playing for the title.

d'oh

551 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:41:18am

After searching for about three hours total, I have three names.

Petter Venne, Hasan Nowarah and Amin Abou Rashed. The first two are from Great Britain and the last is from Holland.

553 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:42:27am

re: #550 Li'l Mamzer

Very good, Mandy.
Speaking of college football, by pure coincidence I was in Tuscaloosa the night of the NCAA Championship game earlier this year. I wasn't paying any attention to the bowl games, and didn't even know Bama was playing for the title.

d'oh

Were you comatose in an ICU?

554 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:43:55am

re: #552 NJDhockeyfan

Arab Media Reports on Flotilla Participants: Writing Wills, Preparing for Martyrdom, Determined to Reach Gaza or Die

I'd like to know the name of the woman who said they were going for martyrdom or Gaza. She was quoted in either the Times or Ynet.

555 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:44:22am

Lebanon fires on Israeli warplanes: security official

JERUSALEM — Lebanon's military fired anti-aircraft artillery at Israeli warplanes that were flying over Lebanon, a senior Israeli security official said on Tuesday.

"Our aircraft have been targeted by the Lebanese anti-aircraft guns while flying over southern Lebanon, and there was no damage," the official who requested the anonymity told AFP.

A military spokesperson neither confirmed nor denied the report.

556 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:44:27am

re: #552 NJDhockeyfan

Note to self... before attacking a man armed with a gun with my slingshot... make preparations to meet my maker.

557 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:45:26am

re: #533 abolitionist

IMO, very bad precident:
US court: Catholic woman must live as Orthodox Jew

Catholic couple ordered to live Hasidic lifestyle in order to be able to see husband's son, who was born to ultra-Orthodox Jewish mother

The court orders also forbid use of a car for the child's transport on the sabbath, or sports or use of electronics on that day.

With decisions like this, I suspect the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment will soon mean little or nothing. Or it may help to make promotion of sharia law a cakewalk.

No, the court did not order the Catholic mother to adopt a Hasidic lifestyle, but to accommodate her stepson with kosher food when he comes on court-ordered visitations. Of course not ordering visitations that must take place on Saturday would be a good idea.

I have been following this episode, it's just another sad case of a failed interfaith marriage.

558 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:45:29am

re: #552 NJDhockeyfan

Arab Media Reports on Flotilla Participants: Writing Wills, Preparing for Martyrdom, Determined to Reach Gaza or Die

Bishop Hilarion Capucci

Another passenger on the Mavi Marmara was Bishop Hilarion Capucci, who in the 1970s was convicted and imprisoned in Israel for smuggling weapons from Lebanon to the PLO, but afterwards was freed at the request of the Vatican. According to Algerian flotilla participants, Hilarion said that he was "waiting for the day when he could return to Palestine and hear the church bells and the muezzins' calls of 'Allah Akbar,' under the skies of a free Palestine."

559 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:46:04am

re: #556 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Better yet, don't attack trained special ops guys with slingshots!

560 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:46:09am

re: #537 Alouette

I got my new pastry supplies yesterday--a marble rolling pin and pastry stone, and a dough scraper. I just have to decide what kind of pie to make first. I'm thinking blueberry.

What is a pasty stone?

I've made pastry (pie crusts, mostly) but I'm pretty lazy. I'm jealous about the marble rolling pin and the scraper!

Make apple pie!!!

561 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:47:28am

re: #543 MandyManners

Are the tads still okay?

Yeah, The tadpoles are doing better than expected. I think most of them are still in there and they're fattening up. I can't really see see them very well until the sun comes out and we haven't seen the sun here in about 2 months and there's probably not going to be a sunny day for at least about 2 more weeks.

562 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:48:06am

re: #558 MandyManners
Church bells in Gaza? WTF is he smoking. IIRC, didn't those Hamas fucks absolutely trash the church in Bethlehem?

563 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:48:12am

re: #552 NJDhockeyfan

Arab Media Reports on Flotilla Participants: Writing Wills, Preparing for Martyrdom, Determined to Reach Gaza or Die

I'm still not finding the names of the members of parliament.

564 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:48:36am

re: #546 pingjockey

Wetter than normal down there too? We had damn near 2" of rain for May here in the Wenatchee area. Hell, we only get a foot of precip total for the year, that includes snow pack!

It's been really cold here too. I finally turned off the heat on June 1. Amazing.

565 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:49:24am

re: #561 Killgore Trout

Yeah, The tadpoles are doing better than expected. I think most of them are still in there and they're fattening up. I can't really see see them very well until the sun comes out and we haven't seen the sun here in about 2 months and there's probably not going to be a sunny day for at least about 2 more weeks.

Big flashlight?

I feel for you. I remember trying hard not to go bat-shit crazy in Seattle during the spring and summer.

566 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:49:29am

re: #561 Killgore Trout
I can't figure out where they are, but there are some frogs within a 200' radius of the house. Can hear them at night.

567 cliffster  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:49:37am

re: #561 Killgore Trout

Yeah, The tadpoles are doing better than expected. I think most of them are still in there and they're fattening up. I can't really see see them very well until the sun comes out and we haven't seen the sun here in about 2 months and there's probably not going to be a sunny day for at least about 2 more weeks.

Is there some reason you're raising frogs, other than wanting to grow some frogs? I've been following your saga, but I don't think I caught the beginning.

I raised some little ones in an aquarium once. Watched them go through all the stages. That was cool as shit.

568 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:49:46am

re: #560 iceweasel

What is a pasty stone?

I've made pastry (pie crusts, mostly) but I'm pretty lazy. I'm jealous about the marble rolling pin and the scraper!

Make apple pie!!!

It's a marble slab 16" x 20" for rolling dough. Marble is better than wood for fine pastry because it keeps the dough cold.

569 Li'l Mamzer  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:49:57am

re: #553 MandyManners

Were you comatose in an ICU?

HA

No, because I apparently came to late that afternoon when I asked my colleague about the unusually large number of cars were driving around with big "A" flags and honking their horns.

BTW, there is a troll on the previous thread about the boat right now who is unusually persistent. I grow weary of parrying.............

570 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:50:15am

re: #562 pingjockey

Church bells in Gaza? WTF is he smoking. IIRC, didn't those Hamas fucks absolutely trash the church in Bethlehem?

He's an utter idiot who hasn't learned a single thing since the 1970s.

I bet he cwied when Arafat died.

571 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:50:20am

re: #559 pingjockey

Better yet, don't attack trained special ops guys with slingshots!

Well... there's that....

572 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:51:06am

re: #569 Li'l Mamzer

HA

No, because I apparently came to late that afternoon when I asked my colleague about the unusually large number of cars were driving around with big "A" flags and honking their horns.

BTW, there is a troll on the previous thread about the boat right now who is unusually persistent. I grow weary of parrying...

Is it leaving turds everywhere?

573 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:51:11am

re: #565 MandyManners

I tried a flashlight but it doesn't work very well because of the reflection off the water. Also the tadpoles go into hiding when it's cold. Only when it starts to warm up do they start swimming around.

574 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:51:13am

re: #564 Killgore Trout
I had a fire in the fire place just last week. Crazy ass weather. We're sweating all this rain because come July and August when all this growth has dried out, the fire danger will be very high.

575 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:51:18am

re: #561 Killgore Trout

Yeah, The tadpoles are doing better than expected. I think most of them are still in there and they're fattening up. I can't really see see them very well until the sun comes out and we haven't seen the sun here in about 2 months and there's probably not going to be a sunny day for at least about 2 more weeks.

Are you going to give them all French names?

576 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:51:49am

Report: Iran Trains Al-Qaeda Elements to Carry Out Terrorist Acts in Iraq


The Kuwaiti daily Al-Siyassa refers to an incontrovertible secret report about close collaboration between Iran's Qods Brigade [responsible for coordinating Iranian terrorist activities abroad] and Al-Qaeda.

According to the report, Qods Brigade trains elements of Al-Qaeda at two special bases in Iran, and that elements of the Brigade and Al-Qaeda have carried out joint activities, including the kidnapping of Western hostages from Baghdad, and transferring them to Tehran.

The first of the two training bases as identified as Badr Camp, close to the city of Qom, on a route to Tehran and close to Salt Lake. The second is called Al-Hadi Camp, situated on the same route but closer to Tehran.

The two camps train Al-Qaeda elements from all over the world and, in particular from the Gulf countries.

In related news, the security forces in the port city of Basra in southern Iraq are on high alert to intercept weapons, including missiles, that intelligence sources suspect are being smuggled from Iran to Basra.

577 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:52:00am

re: #567 cliffster

I'm growing them for slug control in the vegetable garden.

578 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:52:16am

re: #573 Killgore Trout

I tried a flashlight but it doesn't work very well because of the reflection off the water. Also the tadpoles go into hiding when it's cold. Only when it starts to warm up do they start swimming around.

At least with human babies you can see them with an ultrasound and feel them kicking.

579 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:52:46am

re: #575 Mad Al-Jaffee

Are you going to give them all French names?

Here are some French names...

580 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:53:14am

re: #577 Killgore Trout

I'm growing them for slug control in the vegetable garden.

I've heard bowls of beer work, too. And, there's always a shaker of salt.

581 Li'l Mamzer  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:53:21am

re: #572 MandyManners

Is it leaving turds everywhere?

A big trail of them....I gave up trying to scoop................

582 cliffster  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:53:40am

re: #577 Killgore Trout

I'm growing them for slug control in the vegetable garden.

oh, cool.

583 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:54:12am

re: #581 Li'l Mamzer

A big trail of them...I gave up trying to scoop...

Maybe use a pitch-fork?

Ummm, on second thought, no.

584 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:54:21am

re: #577 Killgore Trout

I'm growing them for slug control in the vegetable garden.

Would that work at the UN? Congress?

585 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:54:45am

re: #577 Killgore Trout
I didn't know frogs would eat slugs. Our dog, when I was a kid tried to eat a slug. Damn near killed her. The slug just kind of turned to a mush in her throat and mouth. We had to hold her down and scoop it out. Used to go slug hunting with my aunt. We'd go out at night with the salt and watch them shrivel up.

586 Jadespring  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:55:02am

re: #566 pingjockey

I can't figure out where they are, but there are some frogs within a 200' radius of the house. Can hear them at night.

The frogs at my place are back. I heard them back in the marsh but didn't see any for ages. We finally got some rain and I think they swarmed in. Now there's frogs everywhere and we're back to hoping they get out of the way of the lawnmower in time. I have a whole bunch of plants in pots waiting to get planted out and when I went to get some yesterday about a dozen frogs were hanging out among and in the pots.

587 cliffster  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:55:07am

re: #580 MandyManners

I've heard bowls of beer work, too. And, there's always a shaker of salt.

Or just a saltshaker scarecrow. Saltcrow? Scareshaker? Whatever, if I were a slug and I saw a saltshaker, I'd ooze for my life.

588 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:56:18am

re: #580 MandyManners

Reminds me of the "Gail the Snail" episode of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

589 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:56:42am

re: #586 Jadespring
That's cool. I can remember rototilling up a toad once as a kid.

591 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:57:12am

re: #584 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Would that work at the UN? Congress?

SLUG MASSACRE!

592 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:57:41am

re: #586 Jadespring

The frogs at my place are back. I heard them back in the marsh but didn't see any for ages. We finally got some rain and I think they swarmed in. Now there's frogs everywhere and we're back to hoping they get out of the way of the lawnmower in time. I have a whole bunch of plants in pots waiting to get planted out and when I went to get some yesterday about a dozen frogs were hanging out among and in the pots.

How are the chickens?

593 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:58:11am

re: #590 MandyManners
That's probably a good idea. Less potential hostages, the better.

594 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:58:32am

re: #587 cliffster

Or just a saltshaker scarecrow. Saltcrow? Scareshaker? Whatever, if I were a slug and I saw a saltshaker, I'd ooze for my life.

Have you ever seen those huge slugs in the Northwest?

595 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:58:50am

re: #588 Mad Al-Jaffee

Reminds me of the "Gail the Snail" episode of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

Clip?

596 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:59:17am

re: #595 MandyManners

Clip?

Clop!

597 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:59:28am

re: #593 pingjockey

That's probably a good idea. Less potential hostages, the better.

Yeah, I would've had my family out the morning after the raid.

598 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 6:59:42am

re: #596 sattv4u2

Clop!

Clap!

599 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:00:10am

Gonna' check out the troll.

600 Jadespring  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:00:21am

Oh and there's a whole bunch of these around. I haven't seen them before and when I went out they were flying around the flowers. It was quite 'the wtf is this thing' moment. They're just bizzare.

Hummingbird Moth

601 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:00:33am

re: #595 MandyManners

Clip?

At work. No video sites allowed.

602 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:00:42am

re: #595 MandyManners

Clip?

Gail, the snail...

603 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:01:13am

re: #598 MandyManners

Clap!

Penicillin!

604 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:01:26am

Later folks, need to make the kids' lunch and get myself to work. Y'all have a good day.

605 abolitionist  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:03:48am

re: #557 Alouette

No, the court did not order the Catholic mother to adopt a Hasidic lifestyle, but to accommodate her stepson with kosher food when he comes on court-ordered visitations. Of course not ordering visitations that must take place on Saturday would be a good idea.

I have been following this episode, it's just another sad case of a failed interfaith marriage.

Appreciate the reply. From the text of the article, and this is the reasoning behind the court’s order to have the boy’s father and new step-mother live in the ways of a Hasidic Jew. Are you suggesting that this excerpt is likely an exaggeration and/or inaccurate?

606 Jadespring  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:04:00am

re: #592 MandyManners

How are the chickens?

They're fine. I think they're getting used to the chimpmunks being around. They don't seem to squawk as much anymore.

I had one hen sitting on eggs and then one broke and needless to say what was inside wasn't too pleasant. Became even more unpleasant when another chicken grabbed in and started running with it hanging in their mouth. I ended up just taking all the eggs away and chucking them out.

607 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:04:47am

re: #188 Gus 802

They all crawled back out of the woodwork with this event. It's almost like you can close your eyes and it's 2003 again and Bush is in the White House.

Oh, how I wish it were true. 2003 was a good year for me. Alas, times arrow only flies one way.

608 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:05:21am

re: #568 Alouette

It's a marble slab 16" x 20" for rolling dough. Marble is better than wood for fine pastry because it keeps the dough cold.

I know marble is better, but do we need it for pastry?

You probably do, because I know you're always cooking fabulous meals for many people and making the pastry yourself.

Thanks for the information-- so interesting! It's very helpful to me, thanks again.

609 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:05:41am

re: #572 MandyManners

Is it leaving turds everywhere?

I'll check things out over there.

610 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:06:09am

re: #609 Dark_Falcon

I'll check things out over there.

Don't bother. It's stupid.

611 Spider Mensch  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:07:50am

speaking of tadpoles, we had little Spider up at the Delaware water gap natl park for some swimming in the river up thata way, more tadpoles this year than I can remember, I been up there regularly for close to 20 years now. That's got to be a good sign, frogs are good barometers of the local enviorments.
but what's weird this year and last is the lighting bug populations. when I was a kid, wouldn't see the first one until late June and by end of August, they were pretty much gone. Last year I was seeing them in to early October, and over this pass weekend...they're out already! that has got to have something to do with the climate change. can't think of another explanation but the warmer weather.

612 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:09:11am

re: #601 Mad Al-Jaffee

At work. No video sites allowed.

More violence inherent in the system!

613 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:09:26am

re: #611 Spider Mensch

Yeah, It's probably because of warmer weather. I miss lightening bugs. We don't them them here on the west coast.

614 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:09:29am

AT&T shifts wireless plans to cap usage.

The sole U.S. carrier of the iPhone is introducing two new data plans, starting June 7, with limits on data consumption. They'll replace the $30 per month plan with unlimited usage that it has required for all smart phones, including the iPhone.

With the change AT&T is adopting a carrot-and-stick approach to assuage the data congestion on its network, which has been a source of complaints, especially in cities such as New York and San Francisco that are thick with iPhone users. The new plans will take effect just as Apple is expected to unveil the next generation of its iPhone at an event Monday in San Francisco.

Subscribers who use little data or learn to limit their consumption will pay slightly less every month than they do now, while heavy users will be dinged with extra consumption fees.

The real issue is the AT&T network lacks the capacity for its users, so the cap is meant to give users some breathing room to get connected. It also means higher costs for heavy users previously taking advantage of the unlimited usage plans.

615 cliffster  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:09:42am

re: #594 MandyManners

Have you ever seen those huge slugs in the Northwest?

Nope. Doesn't sound like something to go on the bucket list either

616 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:09:43am

Paul McCartney Bus Stoned
Mexican mob on the rampage

Former Beatle Sir Paul McCartney was forced to cower in terror as a Mexican mob attacked his tour bus.

Sir Paul McCartney must be used to baying mobs by now. One half of the songwriting partnership which drove The Beatles, the Fab Four regularly had to cower from hordes at fans at the height of their fame.

So it was a blast from the past recently when the McCartney tour bus encountered a crowd of fans in Mexico. On their way back from an enormous show in Mexico City, the musicians and crew found themselves in an impoverished part of the city.

Blocked off by fans, the crowd then started clambering on top of the roof causing panic inside the tour bus. British tabloid The Mirror reports that Paul McCartney's security team took swift action.

"At first his security team thought it was just swarms of fans but when people started scaling the bus, the situation changed in a flash" a source said. In response to the situation the party called cops who raced to the rescue.

"Paul and the team were shaken up," the source added.

No one was hurt in the incident, with the crowd dispersing rapidly after the police arrived. The singer's management scheme are now reviewing security on the tour.

617 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:10:21am

re: #602 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gail, the snail...

She's a nut.

618 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:10:28am

re: #607 Dark_Falcon

Oh, how I wish it were true. 2003 was a good year for me. Alas, times arrow only flies one way.

Don't worry. Gus may have his wish (re: turning the clock back)

Double digit unemployment rates
near nothing interest rates on savings accts
expected increases in inflation rates
increases in lending rates (heh,,, look at a credit card statement even of you have a small balance and great credit score)

It all feels so ,, Jimmy Carterish !!

619 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:10:39am

re: #603 sattv4u2

Penicillin!

*sigh*

620 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:11:37am

re: #613 Killgore Trout

Yeah, It's probably because of warmer weather. I miss lightening bugs. We don't them them here on the west coast.

Come on over. It's practically daylight in my backyard at midnight there's so many of them

621 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:11:42am

re: #606 Jadespring

They're fine. I think they're getting used to the chimpmunks being around. They don't seem to squawk as much anymore.

I had one hen sitting on eggs and then one broke and needless to say what was inside wasn't too pleasant. Became even more unpleasant when another chicken grabbed in and started running with it hanging in their mouth. I ended up just taking all the eggs away and chucking them out.

Oh, gross.

Do you ever eat one of your chickens?

622 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:12:18am

re: #609 Dark_Falcon

I'll check things out over there.

It's leaving turds.

623 Spider Mensch  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:13:22am

re: #613 Killgore Trout

Yeah, It's probably because of warmer weather. I miss lightening bugs. We don't them them here on the west coast.

yeah, I guess we have to look for the positives of the warming... The boy appreciates the lighting bugs. and all the neighberhood kitty cats, mine included, gather around the yards around 8pm for the light show to start! )))

624 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:13:45am

re: #615 cliffster

Nope. Doesn't sound like something to go on the bucket list either

Ah, the little things in life make it grand.

625 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:15:05am

re: #616 NJDhockeyfan

Paul McCartney Bus Stoned
Mexican mob on the rampage

Why did they attack?

626 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:15:14am

re: #594 MandyManners

Have you ever seen those huge slugs in the Northwest?

Like on this t-shirt?

Image: pulpfictionjulesvincentsantacruz.jpg

627 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:15:56am

re: #618 sattv4u2

Don't worry. Gus may have his wish (re: turning the clock back)

Double digit unemployment rates
near nothing interest rates on savings accts
expected increases in inflation rates
increases in lending rates (heh,,, look at a credit card statement even of you have a small balance and great credit score)

It all feels so ,, Jimmy Carterish !!

Are you trying to slander our own Gus802?

It all feels so...'asshole that gets banned' ish!

628 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:16:27am

You could have made a lot of money if you had placed a bet that the Clintons' marriage would last longer than the Gores' ...

629 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:16:37am

America's 7 junkiest cities

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Think Greece and Spain are drowning in debt? Look a little closer to home. Seven U.S. cities recently had their municipal bonds downgraded below investment grade. Their debt is now junk, considered more worthless than that of the so-called PIIGS.

"America's short-term budget crises, long-term growth perspectives and needs for austerity are similar [to Greece]," said Matt Fabian, managing director at Concord, Mass.-based consulting firm Municipal Market Advisors.

Last quarter, Moody's Investor Services declared the debt issued by Harrisburg, Penn., and Woonsocket, R.I., to be junk, or below-investment grade. Meanwhile, Fitch Ratings currently has four other cities in the basement -- Detroit and Pontiac, Mich.; Harvey, Ill.; and Littlefield, Texas -- while Standard and Poor's has one -- Central Falls, R.I.

These seven cities are struggling under the weight of the recession. Residents are unemployed, and without a job, they can't pay their property taxes, which are the foundation of local budgets. And cities' operating expenses continue to soar; pension and debt payments don't go away. And as their credit gets worse, the cost of borrowing for municipal projects -- such as sewer plants and roads -- just gets more expensive.

"The fiscal stress is severe in cities around the country, and it's likely to stick around for at least a couple of more years," said Chris Hoene, director of policy and research at the National League of Cities.

630 Jadespring  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:16:40am

re: #621 MandyManners

Oh, gross.

Do you ever eat one of your chickens?

Not yet. It's a possibility though. I've only had them for a year and half. I got them for eggs and garden help. There will come a time though when they stop laying as much where I will have to decide what to do. I wouldn't be able to do it myself though so would have to take them to someone else.

631 researchok  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:16:52am

re: #625 MandyManners

Why did they attack?

They sang 'Yesterday' for an encore.

632 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:16:59am

re: #605 abolitionist

Appreciate the reply. From the text of the article, and this is the reasoning behind the court’s order to have the boy’s father and new step-mother live in the ways of a Hasidic Jew. Are you suggesting that this excerpt is likely an exaggeration and/or inaccurate?

That's from YNet, right? They are usually reliable when it comes to Israel news, but they get completely batshit about anything that has to do with religious Jews.

The court DID NOT order the father and stepmother to adopt an ultra-Orthodox lifestyle, just that they accommodate the son when he comes for his court-ordered visitation by providing him with kosher food and not coercing him to violate the Sabbath. Of course, having these visitations on a day of the week other than Saturday would be a lot easier in many ways.

633 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:17:35am

re: #620 sattv4u2

Come on over. It's practically daylight in my backyard at midnight there's so many of them

Same here.

The deer are also frolicking here. On the way to the club the morning, we came outside to find a HUGE deer standing in the yard. Just standing there for about 10 seconds. Then, The Kid had to shout, "HEY, MA', IS THAT THE SAME DEER WE SAW LAST NIGHT?"

634 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:17:38am

re: #568 Alouette

It's a marble slab 16" x 20" for rolling dough. Marble is better than wood for fine pastry because it keeps the dough cold.

I need to get something like that. I currently have the opposite problem with my marble countertops. They retain warmth and thus anytime I try to manipulate dough on them the dough warms up too fast. And with something like butter cookie dough that can quickly turn into a disaster.

635 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:18:41am

A few weeks back I put a birdhouse out on the front porch

Yesterday I went out the front door and there were 2 birds on the top railing chirping their beaks off looking at the house

I looked up above the house from where it was hanging and saw the reason for their concern
There was a snake just inches from the birdhouse opening. It had to be at least 18 inches long. I got a stick and removed it, put it on the driveway and it hissed and lunged at me several times

I was going to release it into the woods out back, but after that display, lets just say Mr. Snake is no more!

636 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:18:41am

re: #626 Mad Al-Jaffee

Like on this t-shirt?

Image: pulpfictionjulesvincentsantacruz.jpg

It's not loading but, if it's big and greenish/grayish/brownish, yes.

637 abolitionist  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:18:51am

re: #632 Alouette

Thanks.

638 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:18:56am

re: #633 MandyManners

Same here.

The deer are also frolicking here. On the way to the club the morning, we came outside to find a HUGE deer standing in the yard. Just standing there for about 10 seconds. Then, The Kid had to shout, "HEY, MA', IS THAT THE SAME DEER WE SAW LAST NIGHT?"

When I see them on the bike path, I point my finger at them like a gun and make gun noises.

639 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:19:30am

re: #627 iceweasel

Are you trying to slander our own Gus802?

It all feels so...'asshole that gets banned' ish!

I don't think that was his intention. If it was, I'll withdraw the upding I game him.

640 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:20:34am

re: #636 MandyManners

Image: uc-santa-cruz-banana-slug-small.jpg

641 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:20:52am

re: #630 Jadespring

Not yet. It's a possibility though. I've only had them for a year and half. I got them for eggs and garden help. There will come a time though when they stop laying as much where I will have to decide what to do. I wouldn't be able to do it myself though so would have to take them to someone else.

Yeah, I have no gross factor removing the giblets from the bag inside the cavity but, I don't know if I could wring one's neck.

642 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:20:58am

re: #627 iceweasel

Are you trying to slander our own Gus802?

It all feels so...'asshole that gets banned' ish!

How is playing off of his own words and the following comment by Dark Falcon "slanderish"

Have a cup of chamomile tea and find something useful to be outraged about

643 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:21:06am

re: #631 researchok

They sang 'Yesterday' for an encore.

What?

644 Ericus58  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:22:25am

Russia launching 520-day Mars mission simulation
Associated Press Newswires 06/02/2010
Author: Vladimir Isachenkov

"MOSCOW (AP) - A manned mission to Mars may be decades away, but an international team of researchers will try to experience what one might be like by locking themselves up in a windowless capsule for a year-and-half -- the time needed for a roundtrip to the red planet.

The all-male crew of three Russians, a Frenchman, an Italian-Colombian and a Chinese won't endure weightlessness, but from Thursday they will live for 520 days in the spartan conditions of a mock spaceship and follow a harsh regimen of experiments and exercise.

The main task of the Mars-500 experiment is to study the effects of long isolation to help a real space crew of the future cope better with stress and fatigue.

"When everybody interacts with the same people in the same space, habits and behavior become apparent very quickly. These habits may irritate and cause indignation -- and even fits of aggression," said Mikhail Baryshev, a psychotherapist who is connected to the program.

The experiment, conducted by the Moscow-based Institute for Medical and Biological Problems in cooperation with the European Space Agency and Chinese space authorities, will simulate a 250-day journey to Mars, a 30-day surface exploration phase and 240 days return trip.
.........."

645 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:22:30am

re: #633 MandyManners

Same here.

The deer are also frolicking here. On the way to the club the morning, we came outside to find a HUGE deer standing in the yard. Just standing there for about 10 seconds. Then, The Kid had to shout, "HEY, MA', IS THAT THE SAME DEER WE SAW LAST NIGHT?"

Deer don't come up to to my building but they live in the forest preserve less than a mile away. Always in groups when they have fawns these days due to coyotes. Round here, the days of just Bambi and his mother are gone. The does stick together to protect their offspring.

646 cliffster  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:22:35am

re: #618 sattv4u2

Don't worry. Gus may have his wish (re: turning the clock back)

Double digit unemployment rates
near nothing interest rates on savings accts
expected increases in inflation rates
increases in lending rates (heh,,, look at a credit card statement even of you have a small balance and great credit score)

It all feels so ,, Jimmy Carterish !!

Yay, Democrats!

647 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:22:48am

re: #608 iceweasel

I know marble is better, but do we need it for pastry?

You probably do, because I know you're always cooking fabulous meals for many people and making the pastry yourself.

Thanks for the information-- so interesting! It's very helpful to me, thanks again.

Obviously you don't HAVE TO HAVE a marble pastry board. But I have seen it recommended in so many places that I really wanted to give it a try.

648 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:23:01am

re: #635 sattv4u2

A few weeks back I put a birdhouse out on the front porch

Yesterday I went out the front door and there were 2 birds on the top railing chirping their beaks off looking at the house

I looked up above the house from where it was hanging and saw the reason for their concern
There was a snake just inches from the birdhouse opening. It had to be at least 18 inches long. I got a stick and removed it, put it on the driveway and it hissed and lunged at me several times

I was going to release it into the woods out back, but after that display, lets just say Mr. Snake is no more!

Yeah, whenever I hear a bunch of birds bitching, I know to grab the hoe and go hunting. (My IDE .50 would be over-kill.)

649 researchok  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:23:02am

re: #643 MandyManners

What?

The song- you know, the 'Feelings' of it's time.

650 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:23:43am

re: #638 Mad Al-Jaffee

When I see them on the bike path, I point my finger at them like a gun and make gun noises.

BAMBI KILLER!

651 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:23:49am

re: #639 Dark_Falcon

I don't think that was his intention. If it was, I'll withdraw the upding I game him.

It wasn't (see 642) and please don't feel the need to upding to offset the downding

652 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:24:26am

re: #638 Mad Al-Jaffee

When I see them on the bike path, I point my finger at them like a gun and make gun noises.

You really need to get a hobby!!
//

653 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:24:30am

re: #640 Mad Al-Jaffee

Image: uc-santa-cruz-banana-slug-small.jpg

That is the most un-cuddly mascot I've ever seen. I like the glasses, though.

654 Jadespring  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:24:32am

re: #635 sattv4u2

A few weeks back I put a birdhouse out on the front porch

Yesterday I went out the front door and there were 2 birds on the top railing chirping their beaks off looking at the house

I looked up above the house from where it was hanging and saw the reason for their concern
There was a snake just inches from the birdhouse opening. It had to be at least 18 inches long. I got a stick and removed it, put it on the driveway and it hissed and lunged at me several times

I was going to release it into the woods out back, but after that display, lets just say Mr. Snake is no more!

Yesterday a snake went into my basement. Still haven't found it yet.

655 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:25:02am

re: #641 MandyManners

Yeah, I have no gross factor removing the giblets from the bag inside the cavity but, I don't know if I could wring one's neck.

You can't choke a chicken?

656 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:25:11am

re: #651 sattv4u2

It wasn't (see 642) and please don't feel the need to upding to offset the downding

I saw. I'm glad that it was confirmed as a harmless riff. And it was funny, so i would have updinged it anyways.

657 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:25:39am

re: #655 Mad Al-Jaffee

You can't choke a chicken?

SMACK!

658 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:25:42am

re: #629 NJDhockeyfan

America's 7 junkiest citiesNEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Think Greece and Spain are drowning in debt? Look a little closer to home. Seven U.S. cities recently had their municipal bonds downgraded below investment grade. Their debt is now junk, considered more worthless than that of the so-called PIIGS.

Gosh. Here I thought we shou--CORPORATIONS R TEH DEBBIL!!!

FUCK Y'ALL FUR NOT VOTIN' FER MC-CAYN CUZ HE WEREN'T REPUB ENUFF.

PEE-YEES UP A ROPE, FUR REELS. //

659 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:26:15am

re: #648 MandyManners

Yeah, whenever I hear a bunch of birds bitching, I know to grab the hoe and go hunting. (My IDE .50 would be over-kill.)

Whenever I do that it costs money!!!

660 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:26:44am

re: #644 Ericus58

The all-male crew of three Russians, a Frenchman, an Italian-Colombian and a Chinese won't endure weightlessness, but from Thursday they will live for 520 days in the spartan conditions of a mock spaceship and follow a harsh regimen of experiments and exercise.

Paging Dr. Freud!

661 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:27:21am

re: #654 Jadespring

Yesterday a snake went into my basement. Still haven't found it yet.

Depends on what kind of snake, could be a good or bad thing

662 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:27:49am

re: #645 Dark_Falcon

Deer don't come up to to my building but they live in the forest preserve less than a mile away. Always in groups when they have fawns these days due to coyotes. Round here, the days of just Bambi and his mother are gone. The does stick together to protect their offspring.

For the most part, they stayed away from the house last summer probably due to the feral pigs.

663 AK-47%  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:27:52am

re: #468 Vambo

I haven't been around, so I don't know if this was posted, but... it's my new favorite Facebook page!

Plugging the Gulf oil leak with the works of Ayn Rand.
[Link: www.facebook.com...]

We had this discussion in a previous thread, I don't think it's a good idea: what if the mollusks get a hold of it and "go Galt" and refuse to particpate in the food chain anymore: who is going to filter the waste out of our seawater?

Atlantis Shrugged....

664 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:28:21am

re: #653 MandyManners

That is the most un-cuddly mascot I've ever seen. I like the glasses, though.

It's also the t-shirt Vince wore in Pulp Fiction.

665 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:28:44am

re: #649 researchok

The song- you know, the 'Feelings' of it's time.

Why would that cause them to riot? It's one of the classic Beattles' songs.

666 Jadespring  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:28:59am

re: #661 sattv4u2

Depends on what kind of snake, could be a good or bad thing

It's just a common garden snake.

667 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:29:38am

re: #639 Dark_Falcon

I don't think that was his intention. If it was, I'll withdraw the upding I game him.

I hope not.

Hey df! how are you? worried about your lung infection and the interview. Jimmah also.

668 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:30:35am

re: #667 iceweasel

I hope not.

Hey df! how are you? worried about your lung infection and the interview. Jimmah also.

Yet you attributed it to me!

669 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:30:45am

re: #657 Dark_Falcon

SMACK!

The monkey?

670 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:30:48am

Man who claimed to have killed Jon Benet Ramsay now dresses and only answers as a woman, and still engages in creepy behavior.

Karr has not had a sex change, but refers to himself as a woman and holds a Washington state license under the name Delia Alexis Reich.

A former "fiancée" drew 45-year-old transsexual back into the public spotlight when she accused Karr of recruiting little girls for a sex cult she called "The Immaculates," according to an investigation by The Daily Beast.

When informed of the accusations made by 19-year-old Samantha Spiegel, one of Karr's former elementary school students, he issued this bizarre reply:

"Do you make a difference in the lives of children with your research or do you only blast pedophiles and talk the rhetoric of the severe punishment they deserve? Aren't the children the matter at hand and not the pedophiles? Do you consider me a pedophile?

"You'd have to prove that with more than rumor. If you do accuse me of such, I deny the accusation emphatically," he told The Daily Beast.

671 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:31:32am

Dozens of European politicians were reported to be on board the flotilla, including two members of the German parliament, Inge Höger and Annette Groth, both of whom belong to the far-left Left Party. Left Party floor leader Gregor Gysi called for the German government to demand an immediate stop to the violence. A spokesperson for the party said that they currently had no contact with the two lawmakers.

Other prominent members of the convoy are the Swedish crime novelist Henning Mankell, Nobel peace laureate Mairead Corrigan Maguire from Northern Ireland and the 85-year-old Holocaust survivor and activist Hedy Epstein.

SNIP

672 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:32:19am

re: #655 Mad Al-Jaffee

You can't choke a chicken?

*whack*

673 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:32:51am

re: #661 sattv4u2

Depends on what kind of snake, could be a good or bad thing

The only good snake is a dead snake.

674 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:33:40am

re: #664 Mad Al-Jaffee

It's also the t-shirt Vince wore in Pulp Fiction.

Good memory.

675 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:34:06am

Speaking of deer

NOTE TO SELF,,, pick up 2/ 50 lb bags of feed
(Theres a small clearing at the furthest corner of my property where a family of deer have made their 'home',,,, a couple of times a week we go out and put 10 lbs or so of feed out for them)

676 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:34:37am

re: #667 iceweasel

I hope not.

Hey df! how are you? worried about your lung infection and the interview. Jimmah also.

The lungs have yet to clear up, I'm still coughing. The interviews last Tuesday and yesterday both went very well. I've got another scheduled for later today and I've got still another tomorrow.

677 Jadespring  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:34:44am

re: #673 MandyManners

The only good snake is a dead snake.

Not if you have a big garden. They're wicked to have around. I even have a section that I've purposely created for the snakes to breed in.

678 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:35:15am

Security sources: Hamas refuses to let humanitarian supply into Gaza

Security sources claimed that Hamas is refusing to allow the humanitarian supplies that were on board the flotilla into the Gaza Strip.


The sources told Ynet that they have been in contact with the international community and the Palestinian Authority in an attempt to bring the supplies into the Strips, but were not successful so far due to Hamas' objection. (

679 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:35:33am

re: #677 Jadespring

Not if you have a big garden. They're wicked to have around. I even have a section that I've purposely created for the snakes to breed in.

Do you have videos?

Jades Snake Pron!
//

680 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:35:34am

re: #677 Jadespring

Not if you have a big garden. They're wicked to have around. I even have a section that I've purposely created for the snakes to breed in.

I like to think of them as free insect control :)

681 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:35:34am

re: #661 sattv4u2

Depends on what kind of snake, could be a good or bad thing

This is true, and not every woman understans that.

/

682 researchok  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:36:02am

re: #665 MandyManners

Why would that cause them to riot? It's one of the classic Beattles' songs.

Another failed attempt at humor...

I shall retreat back into my Gilbert Godfrey Shoe-dini impression- "It's not just a shoe horn, it's a shoe horn on a stick!"

683 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:36:06am

re: #662 MandyManners

For the most part, they stayed away from the house last summer probably due to the feral pigs.

Pigs can be dangerous, as they'll eat anything. Ferals also have tusks, and will try to disembowel humans or bears if attacked by them.

684 Jadespring  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:36:14am

re: #679 sattv4u2

Do you have videos?

Jades Snake Pron!
//

Boom chica bow bow.. sss ssss

685 Jadespring  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:37:02am

re: #680 publicityStunted

I like to think of them as free insect control :)

Yep, exactly. :)

686 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:37:09am

re: #671 MandyManners

85-year-old Holocaust survivor and activist Hedy Epstein.

This makes me crazy. Hedy Epstein is not a Holocaust survivor. She spent WW2 in Britain. She could be more accurately described as a Holocaust refugee, but she did not survive the concentration camps or hiding out in Nazi-occupied territory.

687 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:37:15am

re: #681 iceweasel

This is true, and not every woman understans that.

/

Ice could check out the troll on the previous thread? I'm thinking he needs an application of your wit and wisdom to redden his fanny.

688 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:38:18am

re: #678 Killgore Trout

Security sources: Hamas refuses to let humanitarian supply into Gaza

Yeah well, they don't want that worthless crap.

689 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:39:37am

re: #676 Dark_Falcon

The lungs have yet to clear up, I'm still coughing. The interviews last Tuesday and yesterday both went very well. I've got another scheduled for later today and I've got still another tomorrow.

Best of luck wished to you from me and Jimmah both, as ever. And always.

We're a bit worried. Just thinking of you a lot.

690 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:40:27am

re: #688 Alouette

Yeah well, they don't want that worthless crap.

They'll turn their refusal of the stuff into a PR plus

"We can't be sure that when the Israelis inspected the shipment they didn;t contaminate it with biological agents that would kill Palestinian women and children"

MARK MY WORDS

691 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:42:11am

re: #687 Dark_Falcon

Ice could check out the troll on the previous thread? I'm thinking he needs an application of your wit and wisdom to redden his fanny.

ok. Which? A new one?

692 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:43:21am

Pakistan hospital stormed in deadly attack on mosque survivors

Gunmen stormed a Pakistani hospital where doctors were treating the victims of an earlier suicide attack on Monday, killing at least six people in an attempt to free a militant being treated there, officials said.

693 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:45:33am

re: #678 Killgore Trout

Security sources: Hamas refuses to let humanitarian supply into Gaza

They don't need that junk. Can't kill Jews with any of it.

694 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:49:04am

re: #677 Jadespring

Not if you have a big garden. They're wicked to have around. I even have a section that I've purposely created for the snakes to breed in.

As long as they stay out of my way, I'll let them live.

695 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:49:39am

re: #677 Jadespring

Not if you have a big garden. They're wicked to have around. I even have a section that I've purposely created for the snakes to breed in.

But, the presence of snakes has not stopped the deer and rabbits from treating my garden as if it's a salad bar.

696 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:50:09am

re: #678 Killgore Trout

Security sources: Hamas refuses to let humanitarian supply into Gaza

Anally retentive.

697 gamark  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:50:32am

re: #653 MandyManners

I used to live near Santa Cruz and would commute over Hwy 17 to Santa Clara. One morning near the summit, I saw something odd appearing on my hood. It was a 6" banana slug hitching a ride and climbing up from the car grill. I'm afraid it probably didn't survive the heat of the valley. Those things were everywhere in our yard.

698 cliffster  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:50:40am

re: #695 MandyManners

But, the presence of snakes has not stopped the deer and rabbits from treating my garden as if it's a salad bar.

Two words: dog.

699 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:51:23am

A Daniel walks boldly through lions' den - spurring pro-Palestine demonstrators to reveal their fangs - & true intent: Jihad war to conquer Israel from Jewish rule

The true agenda of the self-proclaimed, Palestinian peace-proponents seeking to embarrass Israel for having to shoot its way out of an Islamist lynch-mob ship on Sunday - was revealed on Monday in Los Angeles. One courageous, Israeli-born, American high-school student stood-up for his right to publicly support Israel - and a rally of hundreds of Muslim and far-leftist, pro-Palestine demonstrators nearly turned-into the lynch-mob they sought to downplay.

Youtube Video
700 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:51:30am

re: #682 researchok

Another failed attempt at humor...

I shall retreat back into my Gilbert Godfrey Shoe-dini impression- "It's not just a shoe horn, it's a shoe horn on a stick!"

Sorry 'bout that! I'm dense at times.

701 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:51:34am

re: #691 iceweasel

ok. Which? A new one?

It calls itself 'imokyrok'. It's taking a vile anti-Israel position that crosses the line into Anti-Semitism. It's richly deserving of a beatdown at your capable hands.

702 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:52:00am

re: #695 MandyManners

But, the presence of snakes has not stopped the deer and rabbits from treating my garden as if it's a salad bar.

Cover the plants with chicken wire at least 2 feet away from the plants. You'll still be able to water

After a few tries, the critters realize they can;t get to the good stuff and move on

703 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:53:04am

re: #699 NJDhockeyfan

A Daniel walks boldly through lions' den - spurring pro-Palestine demonstrators to reveal their fangs - & true intent: Jihad war to conquer Israel from Jewish rule

[Video]

Glad you reposted that. Folks, if you haven't seen this vid, see it now. This kid will warm your heart.

704 Jadespring  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:53:11am

re: #695 MandyManners

But, the presence of snakes has not stopped the deer and rabbits from treating my garden as if it's a salad bar.

Lots of deer here too. I've seen them walk by my garden and forage near my garden but they never do anything to the garden. Not sure why they don't. Not that I'm complaining or anything.

705 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:53:28am

re: #683 Dark_Falcon

Pigs can be dangerous, as they'll eat anything. Ferals also have tusks, and will try to disembowel humans or bears if attacked by them.

That's why I had some cops' cell phones on speed-dial. One dispatched two in the yard. Huge tusks on one. The only problem was that The Kid witnessed one shooting but, it couldn't be helped.

706 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:53:37am

re: #699 NJDhockeyfan

Someone posted that yesterday

My only thought was, I pray the two "activists" at the end don't breed!

707 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:54:00am

re: #703 Dark_Falcon

Glad you reposted that. Folks, if you haven't seen this vid, see it now. This kid will warm your heart.

And the two at the end will boil your blood

708 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:54:01am

re: #684 Jadespring

Boom chica bow bow.. sss sss

Shake your rattle, slithering momma'!

709 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:54:44am

re: #686 Alouette

This makes me crazy. Hedy Epstein is not a Holocaust survivor. She spent WW2 in Britain. She could be more accurately described as a Holocaust refugee, but she did not survive the concentration camps or hiding out in Nazi-occupied territory.

Yep. She got there in 1939 according to her Wiki.

710 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:56:02am

re: #697 gamark

I used to live near Santa Cruz and would commute over Hwy 17 to Santa Clara. One morning near the summit, I saw something odd appearing on my hood. It was a 6" banana slug hitching a ride and climbing up from the car grill. I'm afraid it probably didn't survive the heat of the valley. Those things were everywhere in our yard.

Did they eat your petunias?

711 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:56:33am

Weird story of the week...

Cage fighter 'ripped out heart of training partner'


A US cage fighter ripped out the heart of his training partner while he was still alive after becoming convinced he was possessed by the devil.

Jarrod Wyatt also cut out his friend's tongue and ripped off most of his face in a brutal assault that police said looked like a scene from a horror film.

They found the 26 year old standing naked over his friend's body with body parts, including an eyeball, strewn around the blood splattered room.

Wyatt told police he had drunk a cup of tea spiked with hallucinogenic mushrooms and became convinced his close friend Taylor Powell was possessed.

According to an autopsy Powell,21, bled to death after his heart was ripped out.

The coroner said Powell had been alive when the organ was ripped out after his chest had been sliced open with a knife.

Wyatt told the police he thrown the heart into a fire along with other organs that he had removed from the body.

He told investigators he cooked the body parts because he was fearful Powell was still alive and he "needed to stop the Devil."

712 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:56:36am

re: #710 MandyManners

Did they eat your petunias?

is that what you kids are calling it nowadays !

713 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:56:48am

re: #698 cliffster

Two words: dog.

I have a Yorkie but she's useless. Well, unless you want to snuggle.

714 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:57:23am

re: #713 MandyManners

I have a Yorkie but she's useless. Well, unless you want to snuggle.


okay,, but you'll have to get the dog outta your lap!

715 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:58:14am

re: #705 MandyManners

That's why I had some cops' cell phones on speed-dial. One dispatched two in the yard. Huge tusks on one. The only problem was that The Kid witnessed one shooting but, it couldn't be helped.

Actually, its good that he saw one. Kids his age are taught to hunt in some parts of the country. And seeing that can be used to teach that violence is a ugly thing, but is sometimes necessary. Just my opinion, take it for what you think it worth.

716 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:58:36am

re: #703 Dark_Falcon

Glad you reposted that. Folks, if you haven't seen this vid, see it now. This kid will warm your heart.

Gotta watch it to the very end, when they interview that Palestinian woman protestor and then you know what the conflict is really all about.

717 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:59:11am

re: #716 Alouette

Gotta watch it to the very end, when they interview that Palestinian woman protestor and then you know what the conflict is really all about.

hence 706 and 707

718 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 7:59:58am

re: #716 Alouette

Gotta watch it to the very end, when they interview that Palestinian woman protestor and then you know what the conflict is really all about.

Quite Concur.

719 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:01:40am

re: #686 Alouette

This makes me crazy. Hedy Epstein is not a Holocaust survivor. She spent WW2 in Britain. She could be more accurately described as a Holocaust refugee, but she did not survive the concentration camps or hiding out in Nazi-occupied territory.

I'm confused, she was sent to England via the Kindertransport and lost all but 2 of her family at Auschwitz. That's not considered a Holocaust survivor? What is she and all the others like her considered then?

720 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:02:33am

re: #702 sattv4u2

Cover the plants with chicken wire at least 2 feet away from the plants. You'll still be able to water

After a few tries, the critters realize they can;t get to the good stuff and move on

I've considered that but, it's more fun to bitch.

721 laZardo  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:03:12am

Speaking of naval action...

The crew of a Libyan-owned merchant ship seized by Somali pirates in the Gulf of Aden have reportedly recaptured the vessel.

Some pirates are believed to have been killed during the incident, said the European anti-piracy naval force operating off the coast of Somalia.

SNIP

/THE LIBYANS!

722 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:03:42am

re: #704 Jadespring

Lots of deer here too. I've seen them walk by my garden and forage near my garden but they never do anything to the garden. Not sure why they don't. Not that I'm complaining or anything.

Scared of the chipmunks?

723 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:04:21am

re: #712 sattv4u2

is that what you kids are calling it nowadays !

Petard, meet hoist.

724 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:04:37am

re: #714 sattv4u2

okay,, but you'll have to get the dog outta your lap!

LOL!

725 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:05:17am

re: #715 Dark_Falcon

Actually, its good that he saw one. Kids his age are taught to hunt in some parts of the country. And seeing that can be used to teach that violence is a ugly thing, but is sometimes necessary. Just my opinion, take it for what you think it worth.

It put him off bacon and sausage for a while but, he bounced back.

726 Jadespring  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:06:09am

re: #722 MandyManners

Scared of the chipmunks?

:D

727 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:07:46am

re: #719 Stanley Sea

I'm confused, she was sent to England via the Kindertransport and lost all but 2 of her family at Auschwitz. That's not considered a Holocaust survivor? What is she and all the others like her considered then?

Holocaust refugees. A survivor is someone who lived through the camps or in hiding on nazi-controlled territory.

728 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:07:56am

If nonsense were raindrops, this would be a perfect storm of Biblical dimensions:
Breitbart appears on Beck, connects Gaza flotilla to SEIU, Code Pink, US census workers. He also praises James O'Keefe as an American hero (You knew ACORN would fit into it somewhere).

729 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:08:50am

re: #727 Alouette

Holocaust refugees. A survivor is someone who lived through the camps or in hiding on nazi-controlled territory.

OK, I went and re-read it and saw that.

Honestly, I have never heard the distinction before.

730 Ericus58  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:08:53am

re: #699 NJDhockeyfan

A Daniel walks boldly through lions' den - spurring pro-Palestine demonstrators to reveal their fangs - & true intent: Jihad war to conquer Israel from Jewish rule

[Video]

"The Jews should exist only in a Palestinian state, there should be no Israel"

The REAL intent.
But actually, there would be no Jews eventually either.

731 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:09:04am

Whoops! On the phone with a friend---sorry for the absence. :)

Hey, has anyone figured out yet that nasty comments about Rachel Corrie get deleted?

Just a reminder. I think it's useful for people to remember. Again.

732 Jadespring  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:09:07am

Oh great. New guy just said there's another flotilla on it's way.

733 Jadespring  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:09:22am

re: #732 Jadespring

Oh great. New guy just said there's another flotilla on it's way.

PIMF news guy

734 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:12:01am

re: #733 Jadespring

PIMF news guy

Maybe both are right!

He might be a new news guy!~

735 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:12:26am

re: #732 Jadespring

Oh great. New guy just said there's another flotilla on it's way.

I see the word "flotilla", I hear the word "tortilla". It's morning, I'm just starting to get the coffee into my system, and clearly I'm hungry. Good morning, y'all.

736 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:12:38am

Good Morning Progs, Blogs and owners of Dogs.

737 Ericus58  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:12:58am

Guess I missed that beatdown on the last thread....

738 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:13:42am

re: #734 sattv4u2

Maybe both are right!

He might be a new news guy!~

And maybe he's from Newport News.

739 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:14:09am

re: #735 MrSilverDragon

I see the word "flotilla", I hear the word "tortilla". It's morning, I'm just starting to get the coffee into my system, and clearly I'm hungry. Good morning, y'all.

and in need of a hearing test

740 cliffster  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:14:44am

re: #736 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning Progs, Blogs and owners of Dogs.

don't forget frogs. lotta tadpole/frog activity on this thread.

741 Jadespring  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:15:48am

Well I think I should think about getting a move on to go play in the dirt.

742 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:16:05am

re: #739 sattv4u2

and in need of a hearing test

Huh? What?

743 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:18:42am

re: #735 MrSilverDragon

I see the word "flotilla", I hear the word "tortilla". It's morning, I'm just starting to get the coffee into my system, and clearly I'm hungry. Good morning, y'all.

Juevos rancheros for breakfast today?

744 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:19:17am

Activists on 'Rachel Corrie' undeterred by Israeli action

HE DELAYED Free Gaza Movement’s cargo ship Rachel Corrie yesterday assumed a holding position in the eastern Mediterranean, poised to make a fresh attempt to reach Israeli-blockaded Gaza.

Organiser Greta Berlin said the ship was waiting for Challenger II , a small passenger boat which suffered failure of its steering gear while preparing for the passage.

The two vessels, their crews and passengers are undeterred by the Israeli commando operation against the flotilla which cost the lives of nine passengers and climaxed in the detention of the other 679 on board.

The Rachel Corrie , which began its voyage in Ireland, was named after a young US woman killed by an Israeli bulldozer demolishing Palestinian homes in Gaza.

Among those on board are Nobel Prize laureate Mairead Maguire and former UN assistant secretary general Denis Halliday.

This is a much bigger ship than the last fleet of tub-toys. It should take several days to tow this one into Ashdod once it is boarded and disabled, plenty of time for Maguire to deliver yet another anti-Obama harangue.

The whack-job left is still bitter that Barry didn't meet their expectations. Hey, I didn't know either (though I'm hardly disappointed and I have the additional excuse of having listened to GOP propaganda more than I should have). They need to get over it.

745 gamark  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:20:54am

re: #710 MandyManners

Did they eat your petunias?

Those fat little suckers were eating something. Our cat, raised in the south, didn't trust them and gave them a wide berth.

746 laZardo  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:21:44am

re: #740 cliffster

don't forget frogs. lotta tadpole/frog activity on this thread.

There are French people on LGF?

/braces

747 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:21:55am

re: #740 cliffster

don't forget frogs. lotta tadpole/frog activity on this thread.

Oui!

748 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:22:19am

re: #731 iceweasel


Hey, has anyone figured out yet that nasty comments about Rachel Corrie get deleted?
Just a reminder. I think it's useful for people to remember. Again.

Although it is wrong and disgusting to mock the manner of her death or the appearance of her corpse, I understand there is nothing wrong with pointing out that Rachel Corrie was a shitheaded anti-Israeli tool.

749 cliffster  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:22:51am

re: #746 laZardo

re: #747 Mad Al-Jaffee

if you lick me, it'll make you high

750 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:23:39am

I've compiled a better list of tersymps.

Petter Venner—GB
Hasan Nowarah—GB
Amin Abou Rashed—Holland He is Hamas leader in Holland
Bishop Hilarion Capucci (smuggled arms to PLO in 70s)
Inge Hoger—German mp
Annete Groth—ditto
Henning Mankell—Swedish writer
Mairead Corrigan Maguire—North Ireland Nobel Peace winner
Hedy Epstein—US fled Nazis in 1939
Muhammad Al-Baltaji –Egyptian parliament member of MB
Hazem Farouq—ditto
Sheikh Muhammad Al-Hazmi—Yemen member of Parliament
Talat Hussan—Pakistan, TV anchor
Raza Mehmood Agha—ditto, TV producer
Nadeem Ahmed Khan—ditto, “aid” group
Fintan Lane—Irish writer and historian
Edward Peck—US Ambassador Edward Peck—Deputy Director of the Cabinet Task Force on Terrorism at the Reagan White House and State Department Liaison Officer to the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the Pentagon
Joe Meadors—US signalman on USS Liberty
Paul Larudee—US cofounder of Free Palestine Movement, Free Gaza Movement
Gene St. Onge—US engineer
Janet Kobren—US cofounder of FPM
Greta Berlin—US cofounder of the FGM; Greta has spent 30 years teaching engineers and scientists how to design and deliver presentations. She has been in the West Bank three times since 2003 and was wounded by Israeli gunfire in July 2003 while trying to pull down the gate in the fence at Anin, just outside of Jenin. (Did she teach St. Onge?)
Katherine Elliott Sheetz—US
David Schermerhorn—US He was part of the crew of the Free Gaza on its maiden voyage to Gaza in August 2008.

751 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:23:48am

re: #748 Spare O'Lake

Although it is wrong and disgusting to mock the manner of her death or the appearance of her corpse, I understand there is nothing wrong with pointing out that Rachel Corrie was a shitheaded anti-Israeli tool.

If you can't say anything nice about someone... well I won't be saying anything about her.

752 laZardo  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:24:27am

re: #749 cliffster

re: #747 Mad Al-Jaffee

if you lick me, it'll make you high

Well, I have been feeling pretty down lately... :9

753 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:26:53am

re: #749 cliffster

re: #747 Mad Al-Jaffee

if you lick me, it'll make you high

A frog or a French person? Because if Ludivine Sagnier is available....

754 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:26:57am

re: #750 MandyManners

Rosie O Donnell: Referred to our troops as 'terrorists' and called terrorists 'freedom fighters'.

755 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:27:21am

re: #750 MandyManners

I expect to see Alex Jones and David Duke on one of these expeditions in the not too distant future. How they will fare rubbing elbows with a bunch of Trotskyites is anybody's guess, but mutual Jew-hate can probably overcome any obstacle to solidarity.

756 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:27:55am

re: #732 Jadespring

Oh great. New guy just said there's another flotilla on it's way.

It's named after Rachel Corrie.

757 prairiefire  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:28:37am

re: #749 cliffster

re: #747 Mad Al-Jaffee

if you lick me, it'll make you high

In an herbal or pharmaceutical way?

758 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:28:44am
759 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:28:47am

re: #751 Mad Al-Jaffee

If you can't say anything nice about someone... well I won't be saying anything about her.

Unfortunately she is considered a martyr by the Free Gaza morons, since they have seen fit to name one of their ships after her. That being the case, her legacy has been put in play by the anti-Israeli tools.

760 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:29:22am

re: #754 NJDhockeyfan

Rosie O Donnell: Referred to our troops as 'terrorists' and called terrorists 'freedom fighters'.

Yes, but it's hard to take someone seriously after they've said "Fire does not melt steel". Well, for most people it is...

761 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:29:38am

re: #744 Shiplord Kirel

Activists on 'Rachel Corrie' undeterred by Israeli action


This is a much bigger ship than the last fleet of tub-toys. It should take several days to tow this one into Ashdod once it is boarded and disabled, plenty of time for Maguire to deliver yet another anti-Obama harangue.

The whack-job left is still bitter that Barry didn't meet their expectations. Hey, I didn't know either (though I'm hardly disappointed and I have the additional excuse of having listened to GOP propaganda more than I should have). They need to get over it.

Any Code Pink or Moveon.org people?

762 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:29:38am

re: #750 MandyManners

If there are any more terror incidents on these ships, any American found on the ship should be charged with providing support to terrorists. The prospect of a prison sentence should take care of their desires to help out Islamists.

763 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:29:42am
764 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:30:00am

re: #745 gamark

Those fat little suckers were eating something. Our cat, raised in the south, didn't trust them and gave them a wide berth.

My dog loved them.

765 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:30:52am

re: #755 Shiplord Kirel

I expect to see Alex Jones and David Duke on one of these expeditions in the not too distant future. How they will fare rubbing elbows with a bunch of Trotskyites is anybody's guess, but mutual Jew-hate can probably overcome any obstacle to solidarity.

As a former Lizard useta' note, the far Left and far Right meet at Jew-Hate Junction.

766 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:31:15am

re: #761 MandyManners

Any Code Pink or Moveon.org people?

Where is Cynthia McKinney?

767 laZardo  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:31:27am

re: #750 MandyManners

Greta Berlin—US cofounder of the FGM; Greta has spent 30 years teaching engineers and scientists how to design and deliver presentations. She has been in the West Bank three times since 2003 and was wounded by Israeli gunfire in July 2003 while trying to pull down the gate in the fence at Anin, just outside of Jenin.

I can imagine what she'd be saying when she's cuffed and stuffed into a jail cell: "This wasn't included on the PowerPoint!"

768 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:31:28am

re: #754 NJDhockeyfan

Rosie O Donnell: Referred to our troops as 'terrorists' and called terrorists 'freedom fighters'.

She was on the boats?

769 laZardo  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:31:54am

re: #765 MandyManners

As a former Lizard useta' note, the far Left and far Right meet at Jew-Hate Junction.

Or in a Lethal Weapon movie.

/HEYO~

770 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:32:20am

re: #768 MandyManners

She was on the boats?

They need a bigger boat for her.

772 cliffster  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:34:23am

re: #757 prairiefire

In an herbal or pharmaceutical way?

whichever you prefer..

773 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:36:01am

re: #768 MandyManners

She was on the boats?

Yes, she's there as a flotation device.

774 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:38:04am

'Activists threw stun grenades'

The IDF Spokesperson's office on Wednesday afternoon released more new footage of Gaza flotilla activists attacking soldiers with a stun grenade, a box of plates, and water hoses.

The video was taken before the soldiers boarded the Mavi Marmara in Monday's raid.

Also in this video, activists can be seen waving metal rods and chains, which were later used to attack soldiers.

Earlier Wednesday, the IDF Spokespersons Office on Wednesday released new footage showing Monday's bloody raid of the Mavi Marmara ship.

Several voices belonging to Navy commandos are heard in the most recently released IDF video.


The following is a transcript of the dialogue heard in the IDF clip:

- I need reinforcements here with me

- He wants to pass underneath

- Wait, one is in front of me

- It's coming from all directions

- We need to be evacuated, now

- Tell him that he's close already-

- Real weapons, real weapons (ie.guns)

- They have real weapons?

- Yes, yes, real weapons

- They are firing on us

- There is live fire below

- Live fire below

- Live fire here

- Shoot him where is he?

- Negative

775 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:38:11am

re: #762 Dark_Falcon

If there are any more terror incidents on these ships, any American found on the ship should be charged with providing support to terrorists. The prospect of a prison sentence should take care of their desires to help out Islamists.

I wonder how closely the FBI/HSA is watching them, especially the members of FPM and FGM.

776 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:38:17am
777 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:38:41am

re: #766 NJDhockeyfan

Where is Cynthia McKinney?

Or, George Galloway?

778 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:39:00am

re: #767 laZardo

I can imagine what she'd be saying when she's cuffed and stuffed into a jail cell: "This wasn't included on the PowerPoint!"

You crack me up!!!

779 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:39:20am

re: #777 MandyManners

Or, George Galloway?

Or, Jimmy Carter?

780 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:39:21am

re: #769 laZardo

Or in a Lethal Weapon movie.

/HEYO~

ZING!

781 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:39:41am

re: #770 NJDhockeyfan

They need a bigger boat for her.

oof

782 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:39:43am

re: #748 Spare O'Lake

Although it is wrong and disgusting to mock the manner of her death or the appearance of her corpse, I understand there is nothing wrong with pointing out that Rachel Corrie was a shitheaded anti-Israeli tool.

I think it's great that you and other assholes shit on her.

It's funny to see you get deleted.
And it's pretty fucked that some of you keep on keepin' on.

783 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:41:26am

re: #729 Stanley Sea

OK, I went and re-read it and saw that.

Honestly, I have never heard the distinction before.

You have to make that distinction because "Holocaust survivor" immediately invokes an image of someone who spent time at Auschwitz or some other concentration camp. You can't apply the term "Holocaust survivor" to people who sat out the war in the UK, or Shanghai, or Uzbekistan.

784 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:41:48am

re: #771 NJDhockeyfan

Report damaging to Turkish "humanitarian" organization/Erdogan regime being suppressed?

Great find.

785 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:42:06am

re: #773 Dark_Falcon

Yes, she's there as a flotation device.

U R SEW MEEN

786 laZardo  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:43:14am

re: #778 MandyManners

You crack me up!!!

Thank you, I'm here 'till Tuesday. Try the veal!

/ O:

787 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:43:29am

re: #774 NJDhockeyfan

'Activists threw stun grenades'

Those aren't activists nor are they tersymps. They are TERRORISTS.

788 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:44:39am

There's a Hamas dick-sucking troll on the last thread trying to convince us all of the reel troof about the flotilla of fucktards.

789 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:45:17am

re: #768 MandyManners

She was on the boats?

Actually she IS one of the boats.

790 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:45:23am

re: #788 Cato the Elder

There's a Hamas dick-sucking troll on the last thread trying to convince us all of the reel troof about the flotilla of fucktards.

I saw that. Such a lame douche, not even worth a "fuck you"

791 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:45:46am

re: #788 Cato the Elder

There's a Hamas dick-sucking troll on the last thread trying to convince us all of the reel troof about the flotilla of fucktards.

I'm gonna name my next band Flotilla of Fucktards.

792 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:46:06am

re: #774 NJDhockeyfan

'Activists threw stun grenades'

Stun grenades are no joke. They can knock you out, which would have left affected commandos helpless. Thankfully, none of them were so rendered.

793 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:47:04am

biab. I have decided on blueberry pie, now must go out and buy blueberries.

794 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:47:24am

World War II bomb kills three in Germany

Three people have been killed and six injured trying to defuse a World War II bomb in central Germany.

Workers building a sports stadium had earlier unearthed the bomb in the town of Goettingen.

It was not immediately clear why the bomb, reportedly weighing 500kg (1,100lb), had detonated.

Unexploded WWII bombs dropped by Allied planes are frequently found in Germany, though it is unusual for them to explode unexpectedly.

A special commission is investigating the causes of the explosion, while prosecutors are considering whether the team leader should face charges of manslaughter through culpable negligence, the BBC's Oana Lungescu reports from Berlin.

The blast happened an hour before the defusing operation was due to start.

Sappers still go in and defuse these by hand because of the potential property damage from simply blowing it in place with a robotically placed charge. I don't think it is worth it. Blow the damn things where they are found and pay for any broken windows or shattered crockery that might result.

795 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:47:38am

re: #776 Shiplord Kirel

Corrie wasn't actually smashed flat anyway. She lived for a while and there was some speculation that she might have survived altogether with competent (ie Israeli) medical help. This was available but her handlers carted her off to a Palestinian hospital instead.

Although she was 23, I feel her parents bore quite a bit of blame.

796 laZardo  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:47:44am

re: #789 Spare O'Lake

Actually she IS one of the boats.

"But I must protect the flotilla!"
"No, Rosie, you ARE the flotilla!"
and then rosie was a boat

797 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:48:50am

re: #779 NJDhockeyfan

Or, Jimmy Carter?

I doubt he would do it due to the danger. Even though he's a Jew-hating bastard, he'd make an attractive target for kidnappers.

798 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:49:08am

re: #783 Alouette

You have to make that distinction because "Holocaust survivor" immediately invokes an image of someone who spent time at Auschwitz or some other concentration camp. You can't apply the term "Holocaust survivor" to people who sat out the war in the UK, or Shanghai, or Uzbekistan.

Of course you are correct, and I have never heard anyone suggest otherwise - except of course for the poster to whom you responded.

799 laZardo  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:49:32am

re: #794 Shiplord Kirel

There are parts of the old WWI Western Front that are still too dangerous to tread on due to all the unexploded ammunition, I've heard.

800 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:55:05am

Mmmmm... have to take off, but just wanted to express my heartfelt gratitude to certain people.
I really, really, really love seeing you in the bottom ten each and every day.

You deserve it. You earned it.

Every day. ;)

801 Ericus58  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:56:21am

I thought someone said something.......

I was mistaken.

802 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:56:44am

re: #800 iceweasel

Make the most of this beeyootiful day, Weas.

803 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:57:05am

re: #799 laZardo

Farmers along the German-French border (and that pretty much includes most of Western France and Eastern Germany) routinely find old munitions. Some will place them by the side of the road for pickup by the EODs, but some explosives are so large that they require special attention.

Also, cities around Europe routinely find unexploded bombs - and I'm talking 250 pounders or larger that need to be dealt with specially because they could take out entire blocks - in the course of building and excavating for new construction.

804 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:58:40am

re: #797 MandyManners

I doubt he would do it due to the danger. Even though he's a Jew-hating bastard, he'd make an attractive target for kidnappers.

If he wasn't such a coward he would be there in a minute, especially if he could score a few million bucks.

805 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:59:31am

re: #799 laZardo

There are parts of the old WWI Western Front that are still too dangerous to tread on due to all the unexploded ammunition, I've heard.

You've heard right. Parts of the old Verdun battlefield are still off-limits to this day. Back in 2003-2004 someone wandered off the path and accidentally kicked a old shell the had been unearthed by soil shifting. It was a big one, because it turned the man into vapor. They had to one DNA to make an positive ID, because the body had nothing solid left.

806 ryannon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:59:38am

re: #732 Jadespring

Oh great. New guy just said there's another flotilla on it's way.

Why is my first instinct to torpedo it?

I guess I need some po-litical re-education.

807 prairiefire  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:00:31am

Siren test! This is just a test. 11:AM first Wed. of every month.

808 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:01:06am

re: #375 iceweasel

Also, it takes us a lot longer to get anywhere out of country!

809 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:01:45am

re: #804 Spare O'Lake

If he wasn't such a coward he would be there in a minute, especially if he could score a few million bucks.

Actually, i doubt he'd be there. He's too high profile, and still somewhat active in Democratic party circles. If he did that, the GOP would use it as a club to beat the entire Democratic Party with, and he does not want that.

810 prairiefire  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:03:50am

re: #722 MandyManners

Scared of the chipmunks?

Canadian Prairie wrestling! Chipmunks and chickens ready to rumble.

811 Obdicut  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:04:00am

re: #804 Spare O'Lake

If he wasn't such a coward he would be there in a minute, especially if he could score a few million bucks.

Whatever Jimmy Carter can be accused of, greed for money is not one of them.

812 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:04:50am

re: #805 Dark_Falcon

Some 16 million acres is off limits because of an estimated 12 million unexploded munitions in the vicinity of Verdun.

While digging a rail line through the Somme battlefields in 1991-92, to connect with the "Chunnel," the French démineurs ("de-miners") handled an average of five tons of unexploded ordnance per day that had been unearthed during the excavation (throughout France, the démineurs collect some 900 tons of ordnance per year, with 30 tons of that being gas shells). Luckily, no one was killed during the "Chunneling" — although several pieces of construction equipment were totaled — but every year several French démineurs are killed and injured disposing of gas and high-explosive shells, and in 1991 alone, 36 French farmers were killed plowing up unexploded ordnance from the Great War.

And they not only have to worry about standard munitions, but chemical weapons that lay buried all over the place (mustard; phosgene, etc.) - and the shells aren't exactly in tip top shape such that moving them could be potentially hazardous to anyone in the vicinity.

813 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:05:30am

The EU parliament has escalated its rhetoric in the wake of the killings of civilians in a humanitarian mission to Gaza, with MEPs of all political hues publicly using words such as "terrorism," "kidnapping," "revulsion," and even "obscene" to describe Israel's actions.

Somewhat more free from the realpolitik of the member states and the European Commission, the parliament has been the strongest EU critic of the Jewish state even in times of relative harmony in EU-Israel relations, although this sort of language is normally beyond the pale for all but far-left members of the house.

"The state of Israel is acting like a common terrorist. The international community cannot let this go on anymore," Luxembourg centre-left MEP Robert Goebbels, previously the country's economy minister for 10 years, told reporters on Tuesday (1 June), speaking as part of a a cross-party group of socialist, social democrat, liberal and Green MEPs who had visited the Gaza strip as part of a parliamentary delegation in January.

"It is a case for the International Criminal Court. The ICC has to look at this act of piracy in international waters," he added. He went on to describe the Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip as "a kind of gulag."

SNIP

814 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:05:30am

I'm out

Chores await

815 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:05:53am

re: #758 MandyManners

I am NOT amused by this comment.

Was there something unclear about the warning I posted yesterday?

Maybe you thought I was kidding?

816 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:06:34am

Your account is hanging by a thread right now. I'm disgusted.

817 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:06:53am

re: #805 Dark_Falcon

re: #803 lawhawk

re: #799 laZardo

See my post about the hoarder who had a live 75mm shell in her junk pile.
This was removed by the AF EOD's robot and placed in an armored truck for transport.

818 prairiefire  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:07:09am

wow

819 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:08:26am

re: #813 MandyManners

Robert Goebbels?

Any kin to Joseph?

820 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:09:28am

re: #815 Charles

I am NOT amused by this comment.

Was there something unclear about the warning I posted yesterday?

Maybe you thought I was kidding?

Honest to gosh, Charles, I thought I was doing a good thing by repeating your warning about those comments.

I deeply and sincerely apologize.

821 prairiefire  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:09:36am

Time to run around in my mini van with the kids strapped in. I put on my mom bliss helmet and tune out the static.

822 researchok  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:09:44am

re: #761 MandyManners

Any Code Pink or Moveon.org people?

There will be- on the ship named the Cindy Sheehan.

823 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:10:19am

re: #820 MandyManners

Honest to gosh, Charles, I thought I was doing a good thing by repeating your warning about those comments.

I deeply and sincerely apologize.

Wow. Do you think I'm an idiot?

824 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:10:56am

re: #823 Charles

Wow. Do you think I'm an idiot?

No, I don't. I even reported one of those comments yesterday.

825 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:12:17am

re: #824 MandyManners

No, I don't. I even reported one of those comments yesterday.

OK, I'm not happy about that comment, and I'm pretty sure you know why. I'm serious about this, and this is the very last warning I'm going to post.

826 researchok  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:14:47am

re: #812 lawhawk

Some 16 million acres is off limits because of an estimated 12 million unexploded munitions in the vicinity of Verdun.

And they not only have to worry about standard munitions, but chemical weapons that lay buried all over the place (mustard; phosgene, etc.) - and the shells aren't exactly in tip top shape such that moving them could be potentially hazardous to anyone in the vicinity.

There is an unspoken rule among French farmers in the area. Don't dig too deep when planting. They are referring to finding human remains.

827 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:16:16am

re: #825 Charles

OK, I'm not happy about that comment, and I'm pretty sure you know why. I'm serious about this, and this is the very last warning I'm going to post.

Okay. I'll continue to report those comments without comment here. Is that the way to go?

828 albusteve  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:17:21am

A leftist guerrilla movement responsible for many kidnappings and attacks inside Mexico is secretly receiving funding from Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, U.S. and Mexican intelligence officials told The Washington Examiner.

as if Mexico doesn't have enough problems...something like this could certainly find traction throughout her sprawling lower class

Read more at the San Francisco Examiner: [Link: www.sfexaminer.com...]

829 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:19:09am

re: #826 researchok

There is an unspoken rule among French farmers in the area. Don't dig too deep when planting. They are referring to finding human remains.

World War I didn't kill as many people as the second world war, but an inordinate amount of the combat, about 50% overall, took place in a relatively small area, about 2000 square miles, in France and Belgium. Over a million soldiers were killed in that area during the war and a high percentage, a third or more, were never recovered or, more properly, have not yet been recovered.

830 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:20:15am

re: #605 abolitionist

Appreciate the reply. From the text of the article, and this is the reasoning behind the court’s order to have the boy’s father and new step-mother live in the ways of a Hasidic Jew. Are you suggesting that this excerpt is likely an exaggeration and/or inaccurate?

As far as I can tell, the only thing they're being asked to do is maintain the child's religious practices when they have him.

831 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:21:03am

Charlesre: #825 Charles

OK, I'm not happy about that comment, and I'm pretty sure you know why. I'm serious about this, and this is the very last warning I'm going to post.

Understood, will comply. I've used that phrase before, but will never use here again.

832 abolitionist  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:21:14am

re: #830 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks.

833 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:21:35am

More on Hamas' refusal to accept the "aid"....
Hamas refuses to accept aid cargo from flotilla

"We refuse to receive the humanitarian aid until all those who were detained aboard the ships are released," said Ahmed Kurd, Minister for Social Welfare in the Hamas government said. "We also insist that the equipment be delivered in its entirety."

Kurd said that Israel's decision to allow a number of wheelchairs to be delivered to the Gaza Strip was a "deception," claiming that the batteries that operate them had been removed by the ID, making them useless.


Even Hamas agrees that they're useless.

834 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:21:38am

re: #828 albusteve

A leftist guerrilla movement responsible for many kidnappings and attacks inside Mexico is secretly receiving funding from Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, U.S. and Mexican intelligence officials told The Washington Examiner.

as if Mexico doesn't have enough problems...something like this could certainly find traction throughout her sprawling lower class

Read more at the San Francisco Examiner: [Link: www.sfexaminer.com...]

Someone posted a link yesterday about the movement to have Venezuela declared a state sponsor of terrorism.

835 Obdicut  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:21:51am

re: #829 Shiplord Kirel

Though one can blame a lot of the spread of the Spanish Flu, as well as the lack of resources to address it, on WWI to a limited extent.

The Spanish Flu, of course, killed more people than WWI did.

836 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:21:55am

Breaking news:

Gunman kills 5, wounds 25 in northwest England

LONDON – A taxi driver described as quiet but friendly went on a shooting spree across a picturesque rural area of northwestern England on Wednesday, killing at least five people and wounding 25 others before apparently turning the gun on himself, officials said.

The rampage, in a region famed for its tranquil beauty, shocked a country where handguns are banned and multiple shootings rare — it was Britain's deadliest mass shooting since 1996.

Officers found a body believed to be that of 52-year-old suspect Derrick Bird in woods near the Lake District village of Boot, Cumbria police said. A gun was found alongside the body.

837 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:22:08am

re: #831 Dark_Falcon

Charles

Understood, will comply. I've used that phrase before, but will never use here again.

'That phrase' being the old LGF Dictionary phrase that referred to Corrie. As I said, not here even again.

838 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:22:16am

re: #833 Killgore Trout

More on Hamas' refusal to accept the "aid"...
Hamas refuses to accept aid cargo from flotilla


Even Hamas agrees that they're useless.

This goes beyond cutting off their noses to spite their faces.

839 albusteve  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:22:34am

re: #831 Dark_Falcon

Charles

Understood, will comply. I've used that phrase before, but will never use here again.

glad to hear it...I never liked that stuff about her death myself

840 researchok  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:22:38am

re: #829 Shiplord Kirel

World War I didn't kill as many people as the second world war, but an inordinate amount of the combat, about 50% overall, took place in a relatively small area, about 2000 square miles, in France and Belgium. Over a million soldiers were killed in that area during the war and a high percentage, a third or more, were never recovered or, more properly, have not yet been recovered.

My grandfather fought in WWI, most notably at the Battle of Paschendale.

For years after the war he visited his mates at veterans hospitals who were maimed in mustard gas attacks. They called it 'The Devil's Breath'.

841 prairiefire  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:23:49am

re: #835 Obdicut

Though one can blame a lot of the spread of the Spanish Flu, as well as the lack of resources to address it, on WWI to a limited extent.

The Spanish Flu, of course, killed more people than WWI did.

Yes. Kansas City made a grave error by not shutting down the trolley service.

842 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:24:04am

re: #830 SanFranciscoZionist

As far as I can tell, the only thing they're being asked to do is maintain the child's religious practices when they have him.

Not true, if I'm reading the article correctly:

Furthermore, the court has ordered that she is not allowed to shop at her regular supermarket and must shop from a kosher supermarket, henceforth – a supermarket, according to her interview with NBC, that is located in a different neighborhood far from her home.

843 albusteve  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:25:43am

re: #834 MandyManners

Someone posted a link yesterday about the movement to have Venezuela declared a state sponsor of terrorism.

not sure what that would do to help...if this story is true Mexico is in for a world of hurt...as usual the ordinary 'peasant' will be used as shields, targets, bargaining chips, cover...on and on....it's what they are

844 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:26:30am

re: #826 researchok

There is an unspoken rule among French farmers in the area. Don't dig too deep when planting. They are referring to finding human remains.

Even so, bones still turn up. Those whose nationality can be ID'd (or are in a location where the great majority were from one nation) are buried in that nation's war cemeteries. Back in 2008, the remains of 10 British soldiers were found in one place. Some of them still had intact ID tags, thus allowing their descendants an individual grave to visit.

845 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:26:46am

Very bad news for Charlie Crist's campaign.... as if he needed any more.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
State GOP threw this guy out months ago and he threw in with Crist.

846 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:26:49am

re: #820 MandyManners

Honest to gosh, Charles, I thought I was doing a good thing by repeating your warning about those comments.

I deeply and sincerely apologize.

As usual, you lie.

Yeah, you're 'apologising' about this like you always 'apologise'.

You lie about everything. You absolutely meant for the earlier comments to be read as about Corrie.
You constantly attack 'new people' on lgf to drive them off-- and you lie like a rug when caught out on it.

You make nasty comments constantly and you abuse new posters. All the time. Want a list of names and links? Smart people who joined and then left here within1-3 months-- because of YOU on the morning threads?

You drive people out of here. New people-- you don't want new people, do you? Of course not.
New people see you.

And we all see your passive aggressive comments. Oh yeah! You think we don't?

847 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:28:47am

re: #843 albusteve

not sure what that would do to help...if this story is true Mexico is in for a world of hurt...as usual the ordinary 'peasant' will be used as shields, targets, bargaining chips, cover...on and on...it's what they are

Don't those so designated have economic sanctions slapped on them?

848 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:28:49am

re: #748 Spare O'Lake

Although it is wrong and disgusting to mock the manner of her death or the appearance of her corpse, I understand there is nothing wrong with pointing out that Rachel Corrie was a shitheaded anti-Israeli tool.

No, there isn't, but she was manipulated by much older, more evil people. One of whom is now in Israeli custody, BTW.

850 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:30:02am

re: #711 NJDhockeyfan
That's gonna put a dent in the mellow mushroom mystique...../

851 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:30:12am

I should also announce that Charles has clubbed the troll on the previous thread. It was very toxic, though, and had to be disposed of via the Flounceapult.

852 researchok  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:30:38am

re: #844 Dark_Falcon

Even so, bones still turn up. Those whose nationality can be ID'd (or are in a location where the great majority were from one nation) are buried in that nation's war cemeteries. Back in 2008, the remains of 10 British soldiers were found in one place. Some of them still had intact ID tags, thus allowing their descendants an individual grave to visit.

I recall that. Also, a few Canadians were identified, via uniform buttons (ID'd nationality) and DNA.

853 albusteve  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:31:01am

re: #847 MandyManners

Don't those so designated have economic sanctions slapped on them?

don't know...sanctions generally don't work anyway

854 spare o'lake  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:31:29am

re: #782 iceweasel

I'm assume from your comment that you reported one or more of my comments on this thread, and I encourage you to do so if you honestly think I crossed the line.
But I am not aware that any of my comments were deleted.
Perhaps in your agitation you became a bit confused.

855 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:31:42am

re: #824 MandyManners

No, I don't. I even reported one of those comments yesterday.

Liar. Someone else mentioned he'd reported himself. That and when you were downdinged made you follow his lead.

re: #827 MandyManners

Okay. I'll continue to report those comments without comment here. Is that the way to go?

Is that what you normally do Mandy?
Do you report comments without commenting?
Who the fuck do you think will fall for that, bitch?

856 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:32:06am

re: #766 NJDhockeyfan

Where is Cynthia McKinney?

She stayed home.

857 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:32:14am

re: #855 iceweasel

Drop it.

859 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:33:17am

re: #842 JasonA

Hey... did you see this...

“They ask me all the time, ‘What is your favorite this? What is your favorite that? What is your favorite that?’ And one time, ‘What is your favorite word?’ And I said, ‘My favorite word? That is really easy. My favorite word is the Word, is the Word. And that is everything. It says it all for us. And you know the biblical reference, you know the Gospel reference of the Word.... The Word was made flesh and dwelt amongst us.’ And that’s the great mystery of our faith. He will come again. He will come again. So, we have to make sure we’re prepared to answer in this life, or otherwise, as to how we have measured up.”

Still LOL.

860 spare o'lake  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:33:25am

re: #846 iceweasel

You have finally snapped.
Take a break, hater.

861 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:33:57am

re: #849 Killgore Trout
Bless his heart./
Cu-koo.

862 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:34:17am

re: #855 iceweasel

Is that what you normally do Mandy?
Do you report comments without commenting?
Who the fuck do you think will fall for that, bitch?

Knock it off, ice. Mandy was over the line and has backed off. Keeping after her just makes you look nasty.

863 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:34:33am

re: #858 researchok

Yeah, he's gone into full fledged conspiracy mode. Claiming that Israel intended to get it's own soldiers killed for propaganda value. Alex Jones is very happy.

864 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:35:02am

re: #857 Killgore Trout

Drop it.

Probably.
But I'm not wrong.

865 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:35:24am

President Hugo Chavez urged prosecutors on Tuesday to bring charges against those responsible for the putrefaction of roughly 20,000 metric tons of food inside a seaport under the administration of the federal government.

"Debacles like this cannot be forgiven," Chavez said during a televised speech. "Justice must come into play with a well-sharpened sword."

"I've been informed that they detained one of those who must face up, the one responsible for bringing that food and having forgotten it there," he added without elaborating.

Chavez's comments came shortly after the Attorney General's Office announced the arrest of Luis Enrique Pulido, the former president of Venezuela's state-run food production and distribution company.

SNIP

Hey, Hugo, how's that socialism working out for you?

866 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:35:55am

re: #849 Killgore Trout

Savage: "As far as I know," Obama administration set up Israeli commandos in flotilla raid

He's a nut.

867 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:35:57am

re: #859 Walter L. Newton

Hey, I didn't fall for it the first time.

You have no idea how much it pained me to congratulate you for last night's triumph, by the way.

868 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:36:30am

re: #842 JasonA

That's an odd situation. I'll look for more info in the press.

869 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:36:33am

re: #853 albusteve

don't know...sanctions generally don't work anyway

Crippling economies don't hurt?

871 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:36:39am

re: #858 researchok
Wholly crap.
FTFY.

872 KingKenrod  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:36:50am

re: #865 MandyManners

President Hugo Chavez urged prosecutors on Tuesday to bring charges against those responsible for the putrefaction of roughly 20,000 metric tons of food inside a seaport under the administration of the federal government.

SNIP

Hey, Hugo, how's that socialism working out for you?

They've scheduled the trial for 10 AM and the execution at noon.

873 albusteve  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:36:56am

re: #858 researchok

Holy crap.

I can't listen to much of that stuff...there are far brighter people here at LGF and we've been over that incident pretty thoroughly

874 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:37:37am

re: #855 iceweasel

Whoa!

875 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:37:47am

re: #856 SanFranciscoZionist

She stayed home.

Didn't she release some statement?

876 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:38:12am

re: #858 researchok

Holy crap.

He's just asking questions.

/spits

877 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:38:30am

re: #849 Killgore Trout

Savage: "As far as I know," Obama administration set up Israeli commandos in flotilla raid

I could only get through a minute and half before I had to shut it down. The other day he claimed that no U.S. president ever resigned.

878 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:39:11am

re: #865 MandyManners
Well, Oliver Stone loves Oogo!

Stone, in the Venezuelan capital Caracas for the local premiere of his documentary "South of the Border," which profiles Latin America's leftist leaders, told reporters he admired Chavez and his record


[Link: www.reuters.com...]

879 cliffster  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:39:38am

it's funny when someone who is full of hate and anger is screaming at someone about being hateful and angry

880 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:39:43am

re: #872 KingKenrod

They've scheduled the trial for 10 AM and the execution at noon.

Did you read that bit about "a well-sharpened sword"? Considering who is his minister of justice, I'd be bit alarmed if I were in the dock.

881 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:39:45am

re: #875 MandyManners

Didn't she release some statement?

Yes. Boilerplate hysterics.

882 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:40:06am

re: #878 tradewind

Well, Oliver Stone loves Oogo!


[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Move over, Penn.

883 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:40:13am

re: #868 SanFranciscoZionist

That's an odd situation. I'll look for more info in the press.

Here's a HuffPo story on it: [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

884 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:40:50am

re: #881 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. Boilerplate hysterics.

Kinda' like the boiler-plate condemnation of Israel from the UN?

885 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:40:55am

re: #877 JasonA

I could only get through a minute and half before I had to shut it down. The other day he claimed that no U.S. president ever resigned.

As far as I know, Michael Savage took the Lindbergh baby.

WTF?

886 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:41:05am

re: #858 researchok
(PIMF...Should have put that in block quotes, to clarify that the crap label belongs to Savage).

887 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:41:09am

re: #878 tradewind

Well, Oliver Stone loves Oogo!


[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Oliver Stone can go fuck himself with a film magazine.

888 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:41:26am

re: #849 Killgore Trout

Savage: "As far as I know," Obama administration set up Israeli commandos in flotilla raid

Sheesh! He repeats the "international waters" canard, claiming that Israel acted illegally by not waiting till the ships were in territorial waters. He also claims, falsely, that Israel had expected to find weapons on the ships. He cites this as an intelligence failure. He fails to mention that the soldiers had handguns in addition to their paintball guns, claims that the propellers could have been disabled, accuses American generals of complicity, says the Palestinians SHOWED RESTRAINT etc.

How much bullshit can one asshat throw into one rant?

889 researchok  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:42:06am

re: #863 Killgore Trout

Yeah, he's gone into full fledged conspiracy mode. Claiming that Israel intended to get it's own soldiers killed for propaganda value. Alex Jones is very happy.

I will repeat: Sometimes I think I'm living inside a Salvador Dali painting.

890 ShaunP  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:43:06am

I am so utterly disgusted. I made the mistake of going to the Huffington Post this morning to see what their take on the Israel flotilla issue was. Three hours later, I'm tired of arguing and wish I'd actually gotten some work done today. Ugh...

891 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:43:10am

re: #889 researchok

One with a nude in it?

892 albusteve  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:43:13am

re: #888 Shiplord Kirel

Sheesh! He repeats the "international waters" canard, claiming that Israel acted illegally by not waiting till the ships were in territorial waters. He also claims, falsely, that Israel had expected to find weapons on the ships. He cites this as an intelligence failure. He fails to mention that the soldiers had handguns in addition to their paintball guns, claims that the propellers could have been disabled, accuses American generals of complicity, says the Palestinians SHOWED RESTRAINT etc.

How much bullshit can one asshat throw into one rant?

he might better spend some time surfing here before he opens his yap

893 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:44:36am

re: #890 ShaunP

I am so utterly disgusted. I made the mistake of going to the Huffington Post this morning to see what their take on the Israel flotilla issue was. Three hours later, I'm tired of arguing and wish I'd actually gotten some work done today. Ugh...

I'm going down to the consulate after work. I'll scream at some peace activists, and feel better.

894 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:45:13am

re: #889 researchok

I will repeat: Sometimes I think I'm living inside a Salvador Dali painting.

I think Salvador Dali paintings make more sense...

895 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:45:24am

re: #881 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. Boilerplate hysterics.

I looked but all I found was the Green Party's blather.

896 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:45:53am

re: #887 Dark_Falcon

Ouch.

897 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:45:55am

re: #887 Dark_Falcon
Agggghhhh, the image......./
It's gonna take a long run in the hot sun to clear that one out.

898 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:45:57am

re: #849 Killgore Trout

Savage: "As far as I know," Obama administration set up Israeli commandos in flotilla raid

OMG! OMG!

I held onto to the last. HE CLAIMS THE WHOLE THING WAS ORCHESTRATED FROM CHICAGO BY BILL AYERS AND BERNADINE DOHRN!!

My brain will need to be steam-cleaned.

899 researchok  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:46:19am

Whatever happened here?

Kevin Costner's Machine Heads to BP's Oil Spill Clean Upre: #891 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

One with a nude in it?

Or, the Lady of Velasquez

900 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:46:47am

re: #890 ShaunP
I know the feeling.

901 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:47:48am

re: #898 Shiplord Kirel

OMG! OMG!

I held onto to the last. HE CLAIMS THE WHOLE THING WAS ORCHESTRATED FROM CHICAGO BY BILL AYERS AND BERNADINE DOHRN!!

My brain will need to be steam-cleaned.

Hold on, say what?

902 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:48:20am

re: #879 cliffster

Someone needs a time out!

903 albusteve  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:48:22am

whoa nellie!
Peter Ferrara at Am Thinker says...

Months ago, I predicted in this column that President Obama would so discredit himself in office that he wouldn't even be on the ballot in 2012, let alone have a prayer of being reelected. Like President Johnson in 1968, who had won a much bigger victory four years previously than Obama did in 2008, President Obama will be so politically defunct by 2012 that he won't even try to run for reelection.

I am now ready to predict that President Obama will not even make it that far. I predict that he will resign in discredited disgrace before the fall of 2012. Like my previous prediction, that is based not just on where we are now, but where we are going under his misleadership.

it's all about Sestak

904 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:48:32am

re: #898 Shiplord Kirel

no way dude...

905 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:48:33am

re: #894 JasonA

I think Salvador Dali paintings make more sense...

I like The Persistence of Memory.

906 researchok  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:49:02am

re: #899 researchok

Whatever happened here?

Kevin Costner's Machine Heads to BP's Oil Spill Clean Up

Or, the Lady of Velasquez

Sorry about that!

I wanted to know what happened with the Costner project.

Costner Financed Research into Oil Spill Clean Ups for 15 Years

Costner has been funding a team of scientists for 15 years in hopes of developing a technology to clean up massive oil spills, and his research has created a powerful centrifuge that he claims can separate oil from water and dump the oil into a holding tank.

Costner and representatives of Ocean Therapy Solutions , the firm that developed the machine, demonstrated the centrifugal device for BP officials in New Orleans last week. "I believe they'll want to do the right thing," Costner told reporters at the time.

"We've agreed to test it," BP spokesman Mark Proegler told ABCNews.com today.

Officials with Ocean Therapy Solutions have said one of their machines is capable of cleaning up to 210,000 gallons of water per day. The oil extractor leaves the water 99 percent clean of crude, the firm said in a statement.

907 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:49:35am

re: #888 Shiplord Kirel
Savage is a whackjob, but I thought he was supposed to be a pro-Israel whack job. WTF?

908 albusteve  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:49:49am

re: #901 SanFranciscoZionist

Hold on, say what?

he was just in Chicago too!

909 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:50:00am

re: #906 researchok

Bless h is heart!

910 researchok  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:50:16am

re: #893 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm going down to the consulate after work. I'll scream at some peace activists, and feel better.

Bring a paint gun for self defense.

911 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:50:31am

re: #906 researchok

All that, and sexy, too.

912 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:51:39am

re: #903 albusteve
There's no love lost between Sestak and this WH, party affiliation be damned.

913 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:52:35am

Meanwhile, over on Facebook, a friend took offense at the James Randi TED video I posted yesterday. Seems that his attack on phony psychics is fine, but he gores her ox by mocking homeopathy, which she "believes" in.

Homeopathy in one paragraph, for those who don't know: "Like cures like." Basically, if you're suffering from certain symptoms, like fever and trembling, taking extremely small doses of a substance that also produces those symptoms will supposedly cure you. The "extremely small doses" is where the funny woo-woo comes in: homeopaths dilute them in water until there is often no atom or molecule of the substance in any given dose you might receive. How does this work? Well, water has a "memory", you see, so even if there's none of the substance left, the water will "remember" it and cure you.

So this friend is insulted that I'm not keeping an "open mind" about a thoroughgoing fraud that has plagued medical science and people's wallets since first proposed by a German quack in 1796. I'm supposed to give it a try next time I have a cold or allergies or something.

As if colds and allergies don't usually get better all by themselves, no matter what you take.

The process of diluting a substance until it's practically no longer there is known to homeopaths as "potentization", which shows you how insane it all is. To potentize or potentiate something means to make it stronger. So...dum-de-dum-de-dum, we're going to take this grain of table salt and strengthen it by diluting it in a three-gallon jug of water, then take a drop from that jug and dilute it in another jug, and so on, as many times as you like.

Presto! A really strong, medically efficacious solution of water that contains the memory of salt in all its saltless molecules and will cure you of various ailments.

I have some for sale here. Any takers?

Here's Randi. He's very funny about it all.

Youtube Video
914 researchok  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:53:40am

re: #911 MandyManners

All that, and sexy, too.

So I've been told...

Ahem- you meant KC?

See this from the NYT.

For 15 years, Kevin Costner has been overseeing the construction of oil separation machines to prepare for the possibility of another disaster of the magnitude of the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill.

Does this evoke his tagline from “Field of Dreams?” It seems that Mr. Costner, the 55-year-old actor, environmental activist and fisherman, was ready for the current spill in the gulf.

Disturbed by the effects of the Valdez spill in Alaska, Mr. Costner bought the nascent technology from the government in 1995 and put $24 million of his own money into developing it for the private sector.

“Kevin saw the Exxon Valdez spill, and as a fisherman and an environmentalist, it just stuck in his craw, the fact that we didn’t have separation technology,” said John Houghtaling, Mr. Costner’s lawyer and business partner as chief executive with Ocean Therapy Solutions, which developed the technology.

Mr. Costner’s brother, Dan, is a scientist who worked on the project and was also in New Orleans this week.

Why the media is talking about Sestak is beyond me.

915 albusteve  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:54:07am

President Barack Obama, White House aides Rahm Emanuel and Valerie Jarrett, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-Ill.) all have at least some interest in the outcome, according to documents produced by prosecutors, defense lawyers and the White House counsel. Blagojevich has been charged with engaging in state-level kickback schemes, but Washington is much more focused on allegations he tried to sell Obama’s old Senate seat.

Blago is going nationwide....should be a good one....the court already struck down a motion to have BO testify

Read more: [Link: www.politico.com...]

916 researchok  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:54:38am

re: #913 Cato the Elder

Meanwhile, over on Facebook, a friend took offense at the James Randi TED video I posted yesterday. Seems that his attack on phony psychics is fine, but he gores her ox by mocking homeopathy, which she "believes" in.

Homeopathy in one paragraph, for those who don't know: "Like cures like." Basically, if you're suffering from certain symptoms, like fever and trembling, taking extremely small doses of a substance that also produces those symptoms will supposedly cure you. The "extremely small doses" is where the funny woo-woo comes in: homeopaths dilute them in water until there is often no atom or molecule of the substance in any given dose you might receive. How does this work? Well, water has a "memory", you see, so even if there's none of the substance left, the water will "remember" it and cure you.

So this friend is insulted that I'm not keeping an "open mind" about a thoroughgoing fraud that has plagued medical science and people's wallets since first proposed by a German quack in 1796. I'm supposed to give it a try next time I have a cold or allergies or something.

As if colds and allergies don't usually get better all by themselves, no matter what you take.

The process of diluting a substance until it's practically no longer there is known to homeopaths as "potentization", which shows you how insane it all is. To potentize or potentiate something means to make it stronger. So...dum-de-dum-de-dum, we're going to take this grain of table salt and strengthen it by diluting it in a three-gallon jug of water, then take a drop from that jug and dilute it in another jug, and so on, as many times as you like.

Presto! A really strong, medically efficacious solution of water that contains the memory of salt in all its saltless molecules and will cure you of various ailments.

I have some for sale here. Any takers?

Here's Randi. He's very funny about it all.


[Video]

I'll bet you crap on voodoo, too.

/

917 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:54:45am

re: #906 researchok
I wouldn't care if Tiny Tim cleaned it up, as long as they git 'er done.
My sister called today from my folks' place on the gulf, and everything is still copacetic, the shrimp are still fine, but it is headed towards Mobile, and the guy who takes care of the beachfront says people are worried about a couple of weeks from now.
The tar balls don't bother me so much... we've had those before. It's the inland waterways and damage to the marshes and the entire seafood industry that give me the worst nightmares.

918 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:54:56am

re: #907 tradewind

Savage is a whackjob, but I thought he was supposed to be a pro-Israel whack job. WTF?

Apparently he's been drinking the conspiracy kool-aid.

Btw, I'm sure Ayers and Dohrn are pretty amused at their alleged ability to control Israeli military operations.

919 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:56:07am

re: #918 Shiplord Kirel
They probably won't know until they google themselves today./

920 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:56:29am

re: #918 Shiplord Kirel

Apparently he's been drinking the conspiracy kool-aid.

Btw, I'm sure Ayers and Dohrn are pretty amused at their alleged ability to control Israeli military operations.

Seriously...i'd almost be happy if it were true, because with that sort of power, we ought to have this terrorism thing wrapped up in about a fortnight/

921 albusteve  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:57:03am

re: #917 tradewind

I wouldn't care if Tiny Tim cleaned it up, as long as they git 'er done.
My sister called today from my folks' place on the gulf, and everything is still copacetic, the shrimp are still fine, but it is headed towards Mobile, and the guy who takes care of the beachfront says people are worried about a couple of weeks from now.
The tar balls don't bother me so much... we've had those before. It's the inland waterways and damage to the marshes and the entire seafood industry that give me the worst nightmares.

how come every company, every piece of equipment available is not involved with the clean up?...help should be steaming into the Gulf from all over the world

922 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:57:27am

re: #913 Cato the Elder

My German sister-in-law, who is otherwise quite sensible, believes in that hooey, and has passed the foolishness on to my nieces. Do Germans fall for it more because of its German origin?

923 researchok  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:57:44am

re: #917 tradewind

I wouldn't care if Tiny Tim cleaned it up, as long as they git 'er done.
My sister called today from my folks' place on the gulf, and everything is still copacetic, the shrimp are still fine, but it is headed towards Mobile, and the guy who takes care of the beachfront says people are worried about a couple of weeks from now.
The tar balls don't bother me so much... we've had those before. It's the inland waterways and damage to the marshes and the entire seafood industry that give me the worst nightmares.

Carville is right- the shit won't hit the fan until the slick hits the Florida coasts.

924 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:57:52am

re: #916 researchok
There's just no medical evidence or scientific basis for homeopathy as a treatment modality.
But the placebo effect is strong, so whatever makes 'em feel better.

925 cenotaphium  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:58:09am

re: #913 Cato the Elder

Seems that his attack on phony psychics is fine, but he gores her ox by mocking homeopathy, which she "believes" in.

Funny thing about homeopathy.. once you understand how it works, it doesn't work anymore. Gotta love Randi though.

Applies to all placebo, of course.

926 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:58:32am

re: #921 albusteve
I don't know.
You know Rahm's motto: Never let a good crisis go to waste./

927 researchok  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:58:43am

re: #924 tradewind

There's just no medical evidence or scientific basis for homeopathy as a treatment modality.
But the placebo effect is strong, so whatever makes 'em feel better.

Homeopathy is not just hokey BS- it's dangerous hokey BS.

928 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 9:58:45am

re: #922 wrenchwench

My German sister-in-law, who is otherwise quite sensible, believes in that hooey, and has passed the foolishness on to my nieces. Do Germans fall for it more because of its German origin?

Germans have a cultural tendency to be health nuts, and I think they generally like whacky alternative medicine stuff.

929 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:00:55am

re: #914 researchok

Why the media is talking about Sestak is beyond me.

They think they smell blood?

931 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:01:11am

More proof that we live in "post racial America".

///

932 ryannon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:01:32am

re: #888 Shiplord Kirel

Sheesh! He repeats the "international waters" canard, claiming that Israel acted illegally by not waiting till the ships were in territorial waters. He also claims, falsely, that Israel had expected to find weapons on the ships. He cites this as an intelligence failure. He fails to mention that the soldiers had handguns in addition to their paintball guns, claims that the propellers could have been disabled, accuses American generals of complicity, says the Palestinians SHOWED RESTRAINT etc.

How much bullshit can one asshat throw into one rant?

I'm tired of reading and hearing the same bullshit from the French media 24/24: "Act of piracy...illegal to board in international waters.... Moral imperative to break the blockade in Gaza....Israel totally isolated on the diplomatic front....peace activists killed or arrested....re: #888 Shiplord Kirel

Sheesh! He repeats the "international waters" canard, claiming that Israel acted illegally by not waiting till the ships were in territorial waters. He also claims, falsely, that Israel had expected to find weapons on the ships. He cites this as an intelligence failure. He fails to mention that the soldiers had handguns in addition to their paintball guns, claims that the propellers could have been disabled, accuses American generals of complicity, says the Palestinians SHOWED RESTRAINT etc.

How much bullshit can one asshat throw into one rant?

Certainly not as much as the entire French media, which has been going full blast repeating much of the above and lots, lots more. It's as if these people have totally lost their minds. And the population are just lapping it up. The saddest thing I've seen in years was the Israeli ambassador to France attempting to reason with various talking heads for over four hours on French television the other evening. It's probably more or less the same elsewhere, but I still make the mistake of expecting better from the French.

933 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:01:34am

re: #923 researchok

Or a hurricane relocates and redeposits that oil on property inland - and insurers contacted by some concerned homeowners have found that they wouldn't be covered under their insurance policies.

We will be dealing with this throughout the hurricane season, which officially arrived yesterday and runs through November.

934 albusteve  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:02:15am

Dick Morris....dutifully shaping public opinion

Conservatives are so enraged at Obama’s socialism and radicalism that they are increasingly surprised to learn that he is incompetent as well. The sight of his blithering and blustering while the most massive oil spill in history moves closer to America’s beaches not only reminds one of Bush’s terrible performance during Katrina, but calls to mind Jimmy Carter’s incompetence in the face of the hostage crisis.

All of this explains why the oil spill is seeping into his ratings among Democrats, dragging him down to levels we have not seen since Bush during the pit of the Iraq war. Conservatives may dislike Obama because he is a leftist. But liberals are coming to dislike him because he is not a competent progressive.

[Link: thehill.com...]

935 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:02:34am

re: #913 Cato the Elder

One of The Kid's team-mates has allergies. His doctor is treating them by injecting him with allergens. Is that homeopathy?

936 Kragar  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:03:09am

Hamas refuses to accept flotilla supplies

Israel has attempted to deliver humanitarian aid from an international flotilla to Gaza, but Hamas -- which controls the territory -- has refused to accept the cargo, the Israel Defense Forces said Wednesday.

Palestinian sources said trucks that arrived from Israel at the Rafah terminal at the Israel-Gaza border were barred from delivering the aid over protests that members of the flotilla were not delivering the materials.

Israel had 20 trucks of aid found on the ships, such as expired medications, clothing, blankets, some medical equipment and toys

937 albusteve  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:03:10am

re: #926 tradewind

I don't know.
You know Rahm's motto: Never let a good crisis go to waste./

I'm on the fence but my 'tute is getting worse by the day

938 researchok  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:03:19am

re: #929 MandyManners

They think they smell blood?

No one cares, IMO.

Sestak over oil spill? I don't think so.

Same applies to Nashville- city takes a once in a thousand year hit, billions in damage and the story is off the radar.

939 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:04:08am

re: #935 MandyManners

No. Because there are actual allergens in the injections. Homeopathy relies on diluting the material to such an extent that it can't be found in the sample at all. In other words - there's no there there.

940 cliffster  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:04:24am

re: #935 MandyManners

One of The Kid's team-mates has allergies. His doctor is treating them by injecting him with allergens. Is that homeopathy?

No, that works. Start with a very small amount of the allergen, then increase the dosage over time. Control the autoimmune response through drugs. After a year or so, your body has become tolerant of amounts of the allergen that would never appear in nature.

941 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:04:27am

re: #935 MandyManners

One of The Kid's team-mates has allergies. His doctor is treating them by injecting him with allergens. Is that homeopathy?

no, that's real science. had an ex-girlfriend who received injections for the same reason.

942 Kragar  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:04:46am

re: #935 MandyManners

One of The Kid's team-mates has allergies. His doctor is treating them by injecting him with allergens. Is that homeopathy?

Only if he is injecting water which he claims has the essence of the allergens. Otherwise, its building up a resistance.

943 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:04:49am

re: #923 researchok
We've had them before.... the beaches can be cleaned. It's the deep down stuff that you can't see that sucks.
When they close off Bayou la Batre to fishing, then we're in some deep shiite. Snapper season opens today...say a prayer.
Update.... now word is that the oil will hit Destin within a couple of days, not weeks.
Dammit.

944 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:05:07am

re: #862 Dark_Falcon

Knock it off, ice. Mandy was over the line and has backed off. Keeping after her just makes you look nasty.

Mandy, as ever, has only 'backed off' because she is scared shitless to engage--and because charles called her out. Once again.

BTW, you don't get to tell me to 'back off'.
You are special because I value your opinion.

On this, not so much.

945 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:05:16am

re: #930 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Yeah, that's gonna kill Crist. See upthread.

946 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:05:19am

Morning Lizards.

Someone screwed the pooch.

Glitch highlights U.S. military reliance on GPS

*snip*

"All the affected receivers were manufactured by a division of Trimble Navigation Limited of Sunnyvale, Calif., according to the Air Force. The military said it ran tests on some types of receivers before it upgraded ground control systems with the new software in January, but the tests didn't include the receivers that had problems."

947 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:05:22am

re: #922 wrenchwench

My German sister-in-law, who is otherwise quite sensible, believes in that hooey, and has passed the foolishness on to my nieces. Do Germans fall for it more because of its German origin?

Indeed they do. The friend who is upset at me and Randi for lumping homeopathy in with astrology and people who contact your dead grandma for you is an American living in Germany.

948 Obdicut  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:05:44am

Homeopathy basically claims that molecules have non-physical, non-measurable attributes.

It's pretty dumb.

949 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:06:24am

re: #938 researchok

No one cares, IMO.

Sestak over oil spill? I don't think so.

Same applies to Nashville- city takes a once in a thousand year hit, billions in damage and the story is off the radar.

Raellen tells me that it's not just Nashville that got creamed.

950 ryannon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:06:37am

re: #905 MandyManners

I like The Persistence of Memory.

I've always loved his Last Supper and The Christ of Saint John on the Cross

Amazing works.

951 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:06:56am

re: #939 lawhawk

No. Because there are actual allergens in the injections. Homeopathy relies on diluting the material to such an extent that it can't be found in the sample at all. In other words - there's no there there.

That makes no sense. And, it sounds like a rip-off.

952 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:07:02am

Meanwhile, the NYS GOP governor's race has been clarified.

Rick Lazio was picked at the convention over Dem turned GOPer (and still registered Dem) Steve Levy. Tea Party hack Carl Paladino was a distant 3d, garnering 8% of votes (nearly all from Erie County). A latecomer to the party, Myers Mermel, a real estate consultant, got 4%.

Lazio was selected on the second round of balloting after no candidate got the required 50% on the first ballot.

Paladino still figures to make this interesting by forcing primary races in September by petitioning to get on ballots around NYS.

953 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:07:07am

re: #935 MandyManners
Allergy shots are controversial, but not necessarily homeopathic. They work by desensitization.... give you a little to get used to a substance over time. Theory is you should produce a weaker and weaker immune response with repeated exposure. Sometimes they work well. Sometimes not .

954 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:07:08am

re: #934 albusteve

OOG. Morris is way off base with that one. Obama is not a radical, nor is there much he can do to stop the spill. Morris is likely right that his poll numbers will suffer due to the spill, but that's because people have a hard time with the idea of the Feds not being able to do much.

955 Kragar  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:07:23am

re: #946 Bubblehead II

Morning Lizards.

Someone screwed the pooch.

Glitch highlights U.S. military reliance on GPS

*snip*

"All the affected receivers were manufactured by a division of Trimble Navigation Limited of Sunnyvale, Calif., according to the Air Force. The military said it ran tests on some types of receivers before it upgraded ground control systems with the new software in January, but the tests didn't include the receivers that had problems."

Land Navigation was always one of my favorite exercises. You always had a few guys reading the mils on the compass, or getting their pace counts wrong and then there were those who just could not handle terrain recognition.

956 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:07:51am

re: #951 MandyManners

That makes no sense. And, it sounds like a rip-off.

most magic is a rip-off...friendly warning...

957 Kragar  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:08:10am

re: #951 MandyManners

That makes no sense. And, it sounds like a rip-off.

And now you understand the underlying secret of homeopathy.

958 cenotaphium  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:08:11am

re: #948 Obdicut

Homeopathy basically claims that molecules have non-physical, non-measurable attributes.

It's pretty dumb.

YOU CANT PROVE THAT THEY DONT!!!!!!!!

/

959 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:08:15am

re: #952 lawhawk

I don't think anyone has a chance of beating a Cuomo.

960 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:08:23am

re: #940 cliffster

No, that works. Start with a very small amount of the allergen, then increase the dosage over time. Control the autoimmune response through drugs. After a year or so, your body has become tolerant of amounts of the allergen that would never appear in nature.

He gets the injections on Friday afternoons so that keeps him off the field for Saturday practices which the coach has just now started calling. She had moved them from Tuesdays to Saturdays. But, it's fine 'cause he's one of our best players.

961 KingKenrod  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:08:45am

Everyone should read this FTC document. It's a summary of discussions they are having about ways to "reinvent" journalism in the internet age. It's mostly about government subsidies and special legislation to protect traditional media.

Some of the recommendations are allowing anti-trust exemptions for news services for the purpose of erecting paywalls and charging news aggregators for content.

They also suggest letting the SBA make loans for new non-profit journalism start-ups.

And there some stuff about tax credits for employing journalists and a national fund for local news (to be paid for with taxes on ISP services and other "telecom users").

[Link: www.ftc.gov...]

962 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:08:48am

re: #941 Aceofwhat?

no, that's real science. had an ex-girlfriend who received injections for the same reason.

Are they just superficial pricks?

963 albusteve  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:08:50am

re: #954 Dark_Falcon

OOG. Morris is way off base with that one. Obama is not a radical, nor is there much he can do to stop the spill. Morris is likely right that his poll numbers will suffer due to the spill, but that's because people have a hard time with the idea of the Feds not being able to do much.

what has the BO admin done to date?...is there some role for them in the cleanup?

964 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:09:11am

re: #935 MandyManners

One of The Kid's team-mates has allergies. His doctor is treating them by injecting him with allergens. Is that homeopathy?

No. It would be if the allergen injections were diluted to the point where there were no allergens at all in the solution, but there is a reputable treatment that gives actual small doses of the allergens to accustom the body to them.

Homeopathy would be if you got sick from chemo and someone told you that drinking water that had been in the same room with a bottle of chemo drugs for three seconds would make the chemo side-effects go away.

965 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:09:23am

re: #942 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Only if he is injecting water which he claims has the essence of the allergens. Otherwise, its building up a resistance.

I hope so 'cause it must suck to walk around with an Epi-pen.

966 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:10:02am

re: #961 KingKenrod

good grief. thanks.

967 ryannon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:10:16am

re: #916 researchok

I'll bet you crap on voodoo, too.

/

I've seen voodoo work, I've seen black and white magic work and I've even taken an OTC homeopathic cold remedy which worked.

I guess that makes me some kind of a space cadet around here.

968 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:10:41am

re: #944 iceweasel

Very well, I'll leave at that. But do know I'm not mad at you, and I do value your opinion. We just disagree on this matter.

969 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:10:50am

re: #959 JasonA

Yeah - Cuomo can beat Cuomo. If he makes unforced errors - which he's done in the past. He's done well thus far because he's been pretty quiet (for him). He's let others do the talking and the foot-insertion has been kept to a minimum.

Cuomo is a smart guy, but has a tendency to annoy the wrong people, which has gotten him into trouble before.

Still, I don't think Lazio or Levy or anyone else the GOP puts up has much of a chance in NYS. Cuomo has the name recognition and is seen as a guy who might be able to clean things up in Albany (of course, the same was said about Spitzer before his fall).

970 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:11:11am

re: #949 MandyManners
It's not. Even though I didn't see a drop of flooding, five miles north of the city limits, people were in boats. TN suffered a massive disaster. Not so much publicity, although there is going to be a concert to help out..... kind of a Flood Aid thing with big names.

971 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:11:46am

re: #962 MandyManners

Are they just superficial pricks?

no, she was a girl, and wasn't too superficial. she had trouble giving me enough space and time to juggle my schedule in college, though, which to me didn't bode well for the future/

972 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:12:19am

This is downright spooky.

Amazing robot dog.

Youtube Video

The critter looks like the Alien from the movie of the same name. It is very small though (note researcher's hand at 2:00), actually kind of cute.

973 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:12:25am

re: #960 MandyManners
Allergy shots are barely under the skin, I think. Shouldn't be very traumatic.

974 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:13:13am

re: #969 lawhawk

Lazio couldn't beat Hilary. I don't see this race going much better for him. You're right in that this is Cuomo's race to lose.

975 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:13:30am

re: #955 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Heh, I would probably end up lost if I had to rely on only a compass and a map.

976 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:13:33am

re: #963 albusteve

what has the BO admin done to date?...is there some role for them in the cleanup?

Yes, they have a cleanup role, but its hard to do. They're making mistakes and I think some criticism is clearly justified. But I also think Morris's criticism was overblown.

977 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:13:50am

Anyone been deleted yet today for Rachel Corrie comments or linking to holocaust denial sites over and over?

Just checking.

978 albusteve  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:14:39am

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer made clear Tuesday she's not worried about a potential legal challenge from the Obama administration over her state's controversial immigration law.
"We'll meet you in court," Brewer told CNN's John King when asked how she would respond if President Barack Obama's justice department decided to challenge the law. "I have a pretty good record of winning in court."

AZ is digging in for the fight over their new law

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

979 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:14:50am

re: #977 iceweasel

Anyone been deleted yet today for Rachel Corrie comments or linking to holocaust denial sites over and over?

Just checking.

you're frothing again.

980 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:15:06am

more solid political analysis from the pages of the New York Post. this time, on the flotilla affair ...

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

981 cenotaphium  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:15:51am

re: #972 Shiplord Kirel

If you like LittleDog, this is his big brother (BigDog). Watch until they try to kick him over at least. The compensatory mechanisms are amazing.

Youtube Video

While amazing, at some point you have to realize that they're spending a ton of money making a motorized pack mule, for money that could have filled the pack mule budget for centuries.

982 albusteve  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:15:58am

re: #968 Dark_Falcon

Very well, I'll leave at that. But do know I'm not mad at you, and I do value your opinion. We just disagree on this matter.

you make too much out some blowhard bullshit....KT asked that it be dropped

983 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:15:58am

re: #948 Obdicut

Homeopathy basically claims that molecules have non-physical, non-measurable attributes.

It's pretty dumb.

Sounds like hocus-pocus to me. Was the creator into Theosophy and the like?

984 alexknyc  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:16:07am

re: #954 Dark_Falcon

OOG. Morris is way off base with that one. Obama is not a radical, nor is there much he can do to stop the spill. Morris is likely right that his poll numbers will suffer due to the spill, but that's because people have a hard time with the idea of the Feds not being able to do much.

Some of that may be because there has been a strong political movement over the last 100 years that has relied on more government being the answer to problems and crises.

There's really not much the government can do here and people aren't used to hearing that.

985 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:16:10am

re: #974 JasonA

Lazio came into that race at the last minute because Rudy dropped out following the news that he had to undergo prostate cancer treatment.

He's got more time to even things up, but the end result will be the same - he will likely lose to Cuomo.

986 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:16:36am

re: #977 iceweasel

Anyone been deleted yet today for Rachel Corrie comments or linking to holocaust denial sites over and over?

Just checking.

The European Hamas troll on the last thread was just booted half an hour ago.

I have had to hide two Facebook friends for their advocacy of the destruction of Israel. One of them is a Greek whom I've known since 1978 and who recently replace his profile pic with a map of Israel covered by the Palestinian flag.

987 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:16:52am

re: #985 lawhawk

Bottom line is we agree. :)

988 Kragar  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:17:26am

re: #975 Bubblehead II

Heh, I would probably end up lost if I had to rely on only a compass and a map.

Nah, its easy. You can learn all about the basics here. All public domain info.

989 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:18:09am

re: #986 Cato the Elder

The European Hamas troll on the last thread was just booted half an hour ago.

I have had to hide two Facebook friends for their advocacy of the destruction of Israel. One of them is a Greek whom I've known since 1978 and who recently replace his profile pic with a map of Israel covered by the Palestinian flag.

yikes

990 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:18:14am

re: #986 Cato the Elder

The European Hamas troll on the last thread was just booted half an hour ago.

I have had to hide two Facebook friends for their advocacy of the destruction of Israel. One of them is a Greek whom I've known since 1978 and who recently replace his profile pic with a map of Israel covered by the Palestinian flag.

You know, it's one thing to feel compassion, and I totally get wearing one's heart on the sleeve, but that...?

991 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:18:44am

re: #986 Cato the Elder

The European Hamas troll on the last thread was just booted half an hour ago.

I have had to hide two Facebook friends for their advocacy of the destruction of Israel. One of them is a Greek whom I've known since 1978 and who recently replace his profile pic with a map of Israel covered by the Palestinian flag.

One of my friends joined a group called something like "Outrage over the flotilla incident." I peeked at some of the comments. Lots of them calling for the destruction of Israel.

992 cliffster  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:19:11am

re: #986 Cato the Elder

The European Hamas troll on the last thread was just booted half an hour ago.

I have had to hide two Facebook friends for their advocacy of the destruction of Israel. One of them is a Greek whom I've known since 1978 and who recently replace his profile pic with a map of Israel covered by the Palestinian flag.

that shit will get you defriended.

993 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:19:40am

re: #961 KingKenrod

Ah, the power-grab over information has begun in ernest.

994 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:19:43am

re: #979 Aceofwhat?

you're frothing again.

And for that, a downding.

Yeah, it's so 'frothy' to be upset over linking holocaust denial sites. So very, very frothy.

And so very frothing to have an issue with lingering festering Wingnuts who call rachel corrie a disgusting name that affects LGF badly.
So frothing.

995 Obdicut  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:19:50am

re: #983 MandyManners

Sounds like hocus-pocus to me. Was the creator into Theosophy and the like?

I think it's a holdover from pre-Enlightenment times when we were trying to figure out what made matter matter, and we didn't really know shit about science. It's mainly credited to a dude named Hahnemann, who rightly noted that most medicine of his time period didn't really do any good, and then proceeded to create a new way of not doing any good.

996 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:20:17am

re: #964 Cato the Elder

No. It would be if the allergen injections were diluted to the point where there were no allergens at all in the solution, but there is a reputable treatment that gives actual small doses of the allergens to accustom the body to them.

Homeopathy would be if you got sick from chemo and someone told you that drinking water that had been in the same room with a bottle of chemo drugs for three seconds would make the chemo side-effects go away.

People fall for that shit?

997 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:20:32am

re: #991 Mad Al-Jaffee

One of my friends joined a group called something like "Outrage over the flotilla incident." I peeked at some of the comments. Lots of them calling for the destruction of Israel.

Yes, because it's such a natural leap to go from "Gazan's are starving and need aid!" to "Death to Israel!"
///

998 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:21:13am

re: #970 tradewind

It's not. Even though I didn't see a drop of flooding, five miles north of the city limits, people were in boats. TN suffered a massive disaster. Not so much publicity, although there is going to be a concert to help out... kind of a Flood Aid thing with big names.

I wonder if they'll take donations over the Internet. Surely.

999 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:21:17am

re: #991 Mad Al-Jaffee
College students all over the country will be wearing their black and white checkered keffiyahs as a fashion statement-cum-political message.

1000 Kragar  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:21:22am

re: #997 JasonA

Yes, because it's such a natural leap to go from "Gazan's are starving and need aid!" to "Death to Israel!"
///

They need the aid so badly that Hamas refuses to accept it.

1001 ryannon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:21:23am

re: #972 Shiplord Kirel

This is downright spooky.

Amazing robot dog.


[Video]

The critter looks like the Alien from the movie of the same name. It is very small though (note researcher's hand at 2:00), actually kind of cute.


A not-so-cute robot dog with military applications. Frankly, it scares the shit out of me. Can you imagine one of these monsters coming at you packing remote controlled automatic weapons?

1002 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:21:27am

re: #994 iceweasel

Ice? I love ya sweetie. But you're frothing. :)

{{Weasel}}

1003 albusteve  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:21:43am

Blogo's lawyer...
His attorney told an interviewer that he had neither the capability nor the intention of shutting Blagojevich up.
"He's a celebrity idiot, but he is a celebrity," Sam Adam Jr. told Chicago Magazine of plans to let his client testify.
Quieting Blagojevich would never work, he added.
"I can't. But you're going to see when he testifies. He's truly funny -- totally self-absorbed but truly funny," Adams said. "He's also one of the most insecure people I've ever met. It's such a strange dynamic."

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

1004 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:21:44am

re: #992 cliffster

that shit will get you defriended.

I'm not going to defriend him unless he tries to win me over to the "cause". I'm hiding him until his real picture comes back up, and I will never engage him on the subject unless he goes there first. If he brings it up and finds it hard to remain friends with me after I explain my stance to him, he's welcome to ditch me.

1005 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:21:53am

re: #994 iceweasel

And for that, a downding.

Yeah, it's so 'frothy' to be upset over linking holocaust denial sites. So very, very frothy.

And so very frothing to have an issue with lingering festering Wingnuts who call rachel corrie a disgusting name that affects LGF badly.
So frothing.

no, that's all well and good.

it's frothing to continue to bring it up, ad nauseam. huge difference.

is there anything else which ought to be blatantly obvious that i can help you with?

1006 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:22:09am

re: #988 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thanks. Bookmarked for later review.

1007 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:22:21am

re: #984 alexknyc

Some of that may be because there has been a strong political movement over the last 100 years that has relied on more government being the answer to problems and crises.

There's really not much the government can do here and people aren't used to hearing that.

Quite Concur.

1008 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:22:50am

re: #998 MandyManners
I'm sure there are multiple sites set up. I know there are two banks in Nashville...I'd be careful though.

1009 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:23:14am

re: #995 Obdicut

I think it's a holdover from pre-Enlightenment times when we were trying to figure out what made matter matter, and we didn't really know shit about science. It's mainly credited to a dude named Hahnemann, who rightly noted that most medicine of his time period didn't really do any good, and then proceeded to create a new way of not doing any good.

Blood-letting was discredited but not this nonsens!

1010 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:24:00am

Gotta' feed the critters.

1011 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:24:46am

re: #979 Aceofwhat?

you're frothing again.

No, she's not. We had an ugly Corrie meme that Charles had to step on. Other than that, all the hate on this issue has come from the left. The anti-Israeli trolls ejected have been moonbats, not wingnuts.

BBL, 2nd interview.

1012 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:25:33am

re: #996 MandyManners

People fall for that shit?

Not only do they fall for it, they pay similar amounts for "potentiated" water to what non-crazy people pay for actual medicine. And in Germany and other countries, you can get homeopathic "treatment" under insurance coverage.

Homeopaths are constantly finding newer, even nuttier treatments to flog to their dupes, er, patients. One involves rainwater that has been collected from thunderstorms. Because, dontcha know, the 'lectricity stays in the water and makes it a cure for something-or-other.

1013 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:25:57am

re: #1009 MandyManners
Funny thing is, there are a couple of conditions that actually are treated with ' blood letting ' today... mostly due to an overage of iron or red cells. Just siphon out a pint or two. And leeches are back, big time. In some cases, they can clean up an infected wound like nothing else.
Yuck.

1014 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:26:34am

re: #1009 MandyManners

Blood-letting was discredited but not this nonsens!

"Well, I'll do everything humanly possible. Unfortunately, we barbers aren't gods. You know, medicine is not an exact science, but we are learning all the time. Why, just fifty years ago, they thought a disease like your daughter's was caused by demonic possession or witchcraft. But nowadays we know that Isabelle is suffering from an imbalance of bodily humors, perhaps caused by a toad or a small dwarf living in her stomach."

-Theodoric of York

1015 cliffster  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:27:42am

re: #1004 Cato the Elder

I'm not going to defriend him unless he tries to win me over to the "cause". I'm hiding him until his real picture comes back up, and I will never engage him on the subject unless he goes there first. If he brings it up and finds it hard to remain friends with me after I explain my stance to him, he's welcome to ditch me.

I don't let politics stand in the way of my enjoyment of people who I otherwise like being around. When "politics" starts to creep into "morality", though, it gets tough. Also, when they incessantly bring it up. Look man, I don't agree with you, and I'm not going to. I'd like to enjoy myself.. let's make farting sounds and watch the game..

1016 cliffster  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:28:04am

re: #1011 Dark_Falcon

good luck, DF

1017 cenotaphium  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:28:05am

re: #1013 tradewind

And leeches are back, big time. In some cases, they can clean up an infected wound like nothing else.

IIRC, leeches aren't used to "clean up" wounds, but maggots are (and they're really good at it too, if you can convince the patient to use them). The leeches are used to stimulate bloodflow into reattached limbs, for one. Also very good critters.

1018 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:29:25am

re: #1011 Dark_Falcon

Luck be upon you.

1019 garhighway  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:29:40am

re: #963 albusteve

what has the BO admin done to date?...is there some role for them in the cleanup?

What would you have them do?

1020 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:29:48am

re: #1002 JasonA

Ice? I love ya sweetie. But you're frothing. :)

{{Weasel}}

You think so?

Excellent. Have fun.

1021 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:30:11am

re: #1017 cenotaphium

IIRC, leeches aren't used to "clean up" wounds, but maggots are (and they're really good at it too, if you can convince the patient to use them). The leeches are used to stimulate bloodflow into reattached limbs, for one. Also very good critters.

a world-class anticoagulant with a great delivery system...

1022 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:30:30am

re: #1020 iceweasel

Well... it's just that you keep bringing it up, you know?

1023 albusteve  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:30:58am

re: #1019 garhighway

What would you have them do?

don't know...that's the point of the question...any ideas?

1024 Obdicut  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:31:20am

re: #1009 MandyManners

Blood-letting was discredited but not this nonsens!

We're living in an age where AGW-deniers have managed to convince the majority of people in the US that AGW isn't real, even in the face of scientific consensus and the obvious shittitude of those promoting denial. It's not like it's shocking when people believe something unscientific, especially when political interests are pushing the meme.

The general anti-science, anti-intellectual attitude in the US, sadly propagated heavily by the GOP as well as-- in a bizarre synchronicity-- the crystals-healed-my-cat types, is largely to blame for crap like this.

1025 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:31:31am

re: #1013 tradewind

Don't forget the maggots.


Video of it being used (must log in)

1026 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:31:46am

re: #1017 cenotaphium
[Link: www.pbs.org...]
Both leeches and maggots have medicinal use today with wound care... leeches to keep the blood from pooling around an injury or infection, as well as the reattachment thing.

1027 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:31:56am

Many I know and I include my boss see this oil spill as no big deal. I am sorry to regret them.....

1028 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:31:58am

re: #973 tradewind

Allergy shots are barely under the skin, I think. Shouldn't be very traumatic.

Some may be, but some are straight into the muscle. Hurts like hell. I know, I've had 'em .

1029 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:32:40am

re: #1013 tradewind

Funny thing is, there are a couple of conditions that actually are treated with ' blood letting ' today... mostly due to an overage of iron or red cells. Just siphon out a pint or two. And leeches are back, big time. In some cases, they can clean up an infected wound like nothing else.
Yuck.

It's not leeches that clean out wounds, it's maggots. Seriously. They are back too, and they are serious medicine.

Water that contains a distant memory of sodium chloride is mere water, though.

1030 Slap  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:32:55am

re: #577 Killgore Trout

FWIW, I found a product called Sluggo that's non-toxic to everything except slugs and snails. (They make a souped-up version for other garden pests that's a bit less safe, as well.) My plants have been MUCH happier.

1031 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:33:57am

re: #1028 reine.de.tout
Ouch.
Well, at least now they have that topical stuff that deadens the pain a little. Ask for it, Mandy.

1032 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:33:58am

re: #1028 reine.de.tout

Some may be, but some are straight into the muscle. Hurts like hell. I know, I've had 'em .

how did they work for you?

1033 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:34:29am

re: #1025 Bubblehead II

This would be a great oppurtunity to post a link to Eddie Hazel playing "Maggot Brain," but I don't have YouTube access here.

1034 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:35:12am

re: #1030 Slap
Sluggo Beer works pretty well, too./
I do hate the slugs. Not enough to put salt on 'em, but definitely enough to drown them.

1035 Obdicut  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:35:19am

re: #1029 Cato the Elder

We're going to see more biological solutions to medicine, because we can always rely on the biological entities to have adapted to the current situations. Drugs and the like we have to adapt ourselves. Maggots today are different from maggots a thousand years ago-- mainly in terms of their own immune system and their ability to survive different toxic bacteria-- but we didn't have to redesign them to be so.

If we tried to design someone to do what a maggot could do, it would cost billions, and then would keep costing every year as we had to redesign it to keep up with the evolution of bacterium.

1036 garhighway  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:35:30am

re: #1023 albusteve

don't know...that's the point of the question...any ideas?

Everything I read indicates that this isn't going to stop until August. The oil companies have been kidding themselves and us that they could deal with this. They can't. And the government doesn't have any resources or techniques that are any better.

1037 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:35:30am

re: #1033 Mad Al-Jaffee

This would be a great oppurtunity to post a link to Eddie Hazel playing "Maggot Brain," but I don't have YouTube access here.

if you hum a few bars, i can fake it/

1038 cliffster  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:36:12am

re: #1017 cenotaphium

IIRC, leeches aren't used to "clean up" wounds, but maggots are (and they're really good at it too, if you can convince the patient to use them). The leeches are used to stimulate bloodflow into reattached limbs, for one. Also very good critters.

ackh, you are really giving me the willies

1039 albusteve  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:36:15am

re: #1033 Mad Al-Jaffee

This would be a great oppurtunity to post a link to Eddie Hazel playing "Maggot Brain," but I don't have YouTube access here.

done...

Youtube Video
1040 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:36:29am

re: #1027 Cannadian Club Akbar

Many I know and I include my boss see this oil spill as no big deal. I am sorry to regret them...

I regret to inform them....
PIMF.

1041 Ericus58  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:36:40am

Seattle Times Editorial Board go wacko on me...

Israel's allies dismayed by the latest crisis

[Link: seattletimes.nwsource.com...]

"NO amount of bluster, diversionary accusations or tortured apologies from the Israeli government will absolve it from responsibility for the lethal melee provoked by the open-water boarding of humanitarian ships bound for Gaza.

An arrogance of power can view the attack as a tactical failure, suggesting it was well-thought out, just poorly executed. The mind boggles at the prior planning that went into deploying Israeli Defense Forces with paintball guns.

Israel cannot defend, rationalize or mitigate the nine deaths among the civilians taking supplies to a suffering Palestinian population in the midst of a blockade that began in 2007. The attack was also a disservice to the wounded Israeli commandos sent into this goat rope.

For all the recent fumbling and bumbling by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government, one can wonder if the boarding days before a scheduled meeting with President Obama at the White House was another theatrical catastrophe — a calculated snub before the next foreign aid check arrives.

In March, Netanyahu timed the volatile announcement of more housing settlements in east Jerusalem to coincide with the arrival of U.S. Vice President Joseph Biden. In another diplomatic dust-up, the British and Australian governments expelled Israeli diplomats over accusations of the government forging passports connected to a Middle East murder plot.

Israel's fits of arrogant, self-absorbed behavior go back to the attack on the United States Navy ship, the USS Liberty. That was eventually buried by diplomatic inquiry as a case of mistaken identity.

This latest action is also due for an official review. The anger and frustration is extraordinary among Israel's many allies. Nations that support the country and endow its survival shake their heads over how hard Israel pushes the limits of that friendship."

Nice propaganda writing for anti-Israelis everywhere.
Morons.

1042 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:36:52am

re: #1036 garhighway

Everything I read indicates that this isn't going to stop until August. The oil companies have been kidding themselves and us that they could deal with this. They can't. And the government doesn't have any resources or techniques that are any better.

agree completely. Einstein could be prez and the gov't response wouldn't be any different.

this isn't about the administration.

1043 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:36:55am

re: #1032 Aceofwhat?

how did they work for you?

They worked fine, EXCEPT my biggest problem wasn't allergies it was an odd immune system disorder that took, gosh, 12 years or so for them to finally diagnose. Meanwhile, 2 sinus surgeries, several years of allergy shots, daily antihistimines, year-round antibiotics, yada yada yada, while I continued to be sick.

1044 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:37:37am

re: #1029 Cato the Elder
There'll be a sequel any day....Monsters Outside Me.

1045 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:37:45am

re: #1037 Aceofwhat?

if you hum a few bars, i can fake it/

"Know it, I WROTE it!"

-punchline to one of my favorite jokes

1046 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:37:51am

re: #1043 reine.de.tout

They worked fine, EXCEPT my biggest problem wasn't allergies it was an odd immune system disorder that took, gosh, 12 years or so for them to finally diagnose. Meanwhile, 2 sinus surgeries, several years of allergy shots, daily antihistimines, year-round antibiotics, yada yada yada, while I continued to be sick.

addition:
But I no longer have an allergy to feathers or horses.

1047 albusteve  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:38:03am

re: #1036 garhighway

Everything I read indicates that this isn't going to stop until August. The oil companies have been kidding themselves and us that they could deal with this. They can't. And the government doesn't have any resources or techniques that are any better.

I'm thinking influence, muscle....can't we get every oil company in the country on board somehow?...who's got the gear, where is it?...stuff like that

1048 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:38:13am

re: #960 MandyManners

He gets the injections on Friday afternoons so that keeps him off the field for Saturday practices which the coach has just now started calling. She had moved them from Tuesdays to Saturdays. But, it's fine 'cause he's one of our best players.

I have allergies to dust mites, mold, and pollens (esp. ragweed). I started getting injections 7 years ago, and they made a world of difference - I can actually breathe through my nose again! I do still have to get a maintenance dose once a month, because without it, the allergy symptoms start to come back (a matter definitely not helped by all the excess pollens in the air nowadays...each year is worse than the one before).

The key to allergy shots working is the serum being strong enough, and getting the shots often enough. If it's a really bad ragweed season, I need to have the maintenance dose every 3 weeks instead of 4. A few years ago, my ragweed serum got changed to a weaker formulation, and sure enough, it didn't work nearly as well as it did before. I don't know why they changed it - perhaps because others had reported excessively strong reactions - but I insisted on going back to my old formulation and, once that happened, the shots were effective again.

I don't know what kinds of allergies your son has, but those might be points to keep in mind if you run into a situation similar to mine. I find that taking medication like Allegra on the day I get the shot keeps serious reactions at bay (i.e. all I get is some localized swelling at the injection site and a bit of a woozy feeling, both of which go away after 24 hours or so)

1049 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:38:37am

re: #1046 reine.de.tout
Horsefeathers!

1050 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:38:51am

re: #1043 reine.de.tout

They worked fine, EXCEPT my biggest problem wasn't allergies it was an odd immune system disorder that took, gosh, 12 years or so for them to finally diagnose. Meanwhile, 2 sinus surgeries, several years of allergy shots, daily antihistimines, year-round antibiotics, yada yada yada, while I continued to be sick.

wow. well, i'm glad they finally figured it out!

(trying to think of something encouraging to say;)

1051 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:39:42am

re: #1046 reine.de.tout

addition:
But I no longer have an allergy to feathers or horses.

What about unicorns?

1052 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:40:20am

re: #1043 reine.de.tout
Well, allergies actually are an immune system disorder, of a type. Your immune system is going into over drive at the recognition of an allergen.

1053 garhighway  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:42:11am

re: #1047 albusteve

I'm thinking influence, muscle...can't we get every oil company in the country on board somehow?...who's got the gear, where is it?...stuff like that

This isn't about lack of resources or effort. It's that no one on this planet has the ability to shut down this flow at those depths and pressures. The oil industry is a pretty cooperative bunch: if BP needed something that Exxon had, they would get it.

The sad fact is that the oil industry has sold us (and itself) a bill of goods. They said (and probably believed) that this couldn't happen (it obviously could) and that if it did they could fix it (they can't, not in less than several months).

1054 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:42:43am

re: #1051 Mad Al-Jaffee

What about unicorns?

Mine arrived. But I had to put it together. No sure why.
/

1055 tradewind  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:43:09am

Laytah.

1056 albusteve  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:44:03am

re: #1053 garhighway

This isn't about lack of resources or effort. It's that no one on this planet has the ability to shut down this flow at those depths and pressures. The oil industry is a pretty cooperative bunch: if BP needed something that Exxon had, they would get it.

The sad fact is that the oil industry has sold us (and itself) a bill of goods. They said (and probably believed) that this couldn't happen (it obviously could) and that if it did they could fix it (they can't, not in less than several months).

I'm gonna be sick....the Gulf is one of my favorite regions in the country

1057 garhighway  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:44:47am

re: #1056 albusteve

I'm gonna be sick...the Gulf is one of my favorite regions in the country

It'll be a mess for the rest of this year.

1058 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:45:40am

re: #1057 garhighway

It'll be a mess for the rest of this year.

Try about 20 years.

1059 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:45:47am

re: #1050 Aceofwhat?

wow. well, i'm glad they finally figured it out!

(trying to think of something encouraging to say;)

haha.
I'm being treated, and I'm alive and healthy!
That's the best!

1060 Slap  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:45:59am

re: #812 lawhawk

This was a problem when I was a kid on Okinawa in the '60s -- and on a 68-mile long island, it's hard to block out "zones". Since it is composed of so much coral, this made for a ton of hiding places all over the island. A kid I knew lost a couple of fingers in this kind of an incident.

Thankfully, there were no chem weapons.

1061 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:46:47am

re: #1053 garhighway

This isn't about lack of resources or effort. It's that no one on this planet has the ability to shut down this flow at those depths and pressures. The oil industry is a pretty cooperative bunch: if BP needed something that Exxon had, they would get it.

The sad fact is that the oil industry has sold us (and itself) a bill of goods. They said (and probably believed) that this couldn't happen (it obviously could) and that if it did they could fix it (they can't, not in less than several months).

Exxon has been helping BP, I believe.
And of course, any of the other companies would, as well, if asked.

1062 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:46:47am

re: #1012 Cato the Elder

Not only do they fall for it, they pay similar amounts for "potentiated" water to what non-crazy people pay for actual medicine. And in Germany and other countries, you can get homeopathic "treatment" under insurance coverage.

Homeopaths are constantly finding newer, even nuttier treatments to flog to their dupes, er, patients. One involves rainwater that has been collected from thunderstorms. Because, dontcha know, the 'lectricity stays in the water and makes it a cure for something-or-other.

A fool and his money,...

1063 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:47:47am

re: #1013 tradewind

Funny thing is, there are a couple of conditions that actually are treated with ' blood letting ' today... mostly due to an overage of iron or red cells. Just siphon out a pint or two. And leeches are back, big time. In some cases, they can clean up an infected wound like nothing else.
Yuck.

Aren't maggots used to clean wounds, too? (I'm eating an egg-salad sandwich right now._

1064 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:47:54am

re: #1049 tradewind

Horsefeathers!

Fiddlesticks!

1065 What, me worry?  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:48:12am

re: #1053 garhighway

This isn't about lack of resources or effort. It's that no one on this planet has the ability to shut down this flow at those depths and pressures. The oil industry is a pretty cooperative bunch: if BP needed something that Exxon had, they would get it.

The sad fact is that the oil industry has sold us (and itself) a bill of goods. They said (and probably believed) that this couldn't happen (it obviously could) and that if it did they could fix it (they can't, not in less than several months).

My husband was reading something to me last night that I was only 1/2 listening to (and you thought only husbands did that....) that James Cameron and Kevin Costner (?) created a machine that sucks in all the water, then removes the oil from the water and puts the water back in the gulf. Did you guys talk about that?

1066 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:48:20am

re: #1014 Mad Al-Jaffee

"Well, I'll do everything humanly possible. Unfortunately, we barbers aren't gods. You know, medicine is not an exact science, but we are learning all the time. Why, just fifty years ago, they thought a disease like your daughter's was caused by demonic possession or witchcraft. But nowadays we know that Isabelle is suffering from an imbalance of bodily humors, perhaps caused by a toad or a small dwarf living in her stomach."

-Theodoric of York

SCIENCE!

1067 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:48:23am

re: #1056 albusteve

I'm gonna be sick...the Gulf is one of my favorite regions in the country

I am sick over this.
And very worried at what we're in for over the course of the next few years.

1068 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:48:27am

re: #1057 garhighway

It'll be a mess for the rest of this year century.

Fixed.

1069 Bagua  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:49:13am

re: #1059 reine.de.tout

They are swapping out the CUT DSAW now, after the first one jammed last night, probably on the Drill Pipe inside the riser.

It will be a neat trick getting back in the same cut with all that oil and gas shooting out. Perhaps they will start a new cut?

1070 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:49:49am

re: #1068 Cato the Elder

Fixed.

Agreed.

1071 garhighway  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:49:54am

re: #1068 Cato the Elder

Fixed.

You underestimate Mother Nature's recuperative powers.

1072 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:50:13am

Fox covered Netanyahu's press conference. MSNBC and CNN did not.

1073 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:51:16am

MAN .FUCK!!!

1074 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:51:21am

re: #1069 Bagua

They are swapping out the CUT DSAW now, after the first one jammed last night, probably on the Drill Pipe inside the riser.

It will be a neat trick getting back in the same cut with all that oil and gas shooting out. Perhaps they will start a new cut?

I was wondering about that myself.
Maybe the can put another ROV down there with some sort of fan that creates a current that takes the oil in a different direction so they can see?

Who knows. It's amazing what those ROVs can do.

1075 What, me worry?  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:51:49am

re: #1065 marjoriemoon

My husband was reading something to me last night that I was only 1/2 listening to (and you thought only husbands did that...) that James Cameron and Kevin Costner (?) created a machine that sucks in all the water, then removes the oil from the water and puts the water back in the gulf. Did you guys talk about that?

Here's a video. Is this an excellent idea or what?

[Link: showhype.com...]

1076 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:52:08am

re: #986 Cato the Elder

The European Hamas troll on the last thread was just booted half an hour ago.

I have had to hide two Facebook friends for their advocacy of the destruction of Israel. One of them is a Greek whom I've known since 1978 and who recently replace his profile pic with a map of Israel covered by the Palestinian flag.

If you're not already a member of this Facebook group you should join.

1077 Bagua  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:52:30am

re: #1053 garhighway

This isn't about lack of resources or effort. It's that no one on this planet has the ability to shut down this flow at those depths and pressures. The oil industry is a pretty cooperative bunch: if BP needed something that Exxon had, they would get it.

The sad fact is that the oil industry has sold us (and itself) a bill of goods. They said (and probably believed) that this couldn't happen (it obviously could) and that if it did they could fix it (they can't, not in less than several months).

It appears to be a case of over-confidence, a series of mistakes and faulty well design. This should not have happened with current technology. It was a problem well, losing circulation and never under control for months. Yet they continued on and even took short cuts, with the result we all see.

1078 garhighway  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:52:47am

re: #1069 Bagua

They are swapping out the CUT DSAW now, after the first one jammed last night, probably on the Drill Pipe inside the riser.

It will be a neat trick getting back in the same cut with all that oil and gas shooting out. Perhaps they will start a new cut?

Without minimizing what a mess this all is, I have to say I am impressed at the level of technology and skill BP has thrown at this. And that we can watch what they are doing under a mile of water in real time is pretty amazing.

1079 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:53:15am

I have zero patience for this spill. My heart is heavy.

1080 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:54:04am

re: #1077 Bagua

It appears to be a case of over-confidence, a series of mistakes and faulty well design. This should not have happened with current technology. It was a problem well, losing circulation and never under control for months. Yet they continued on and even took short cuts, with the result we all see.

Exactly.
This should not have happened with current technology.
BP's bad decisions were made so that they could "save" themselves a few days of time (and money). Plenty of folks knew this was a bad well design, and a bad plan.

1081 garhighway  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:55:04am

re: #1077 Bagua

It appears to be a case of over-confidence, a series of mistakes and faulty well design. This should not have happened with current technology. It was a problem well, losing circulation and never under control for months. Yet they continued on and even took short cuts, with the result we all see.

When it costs a million bucks a day to run the platform, the incentive to trade safety for speed is pretty strong. It would take a very robust "safety first" culture to resist that, and BP clearly doesn't have such a culture.

1082 Bagua  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:56:47am

re: #1078 garhighway

Without minimizing what a mess this all is, I have to say I am impressed at the level of technology and skill BP has thrown at this. And that we can watch what they are doing under a mile of water in real time is pretty amazing.

I know, it's wonderful.

1083 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:57:45am

re: #1047 albusteve

I'm thinking influence, muscle...can't we get every oil company in the country on board somehow?...who's got the gear, where is it?...stuff like that

I think the point is that there is no contingency plan for this kind of thing. I.e., plans A, B, and C are all to not let this happen. Once it happens, there isn't much you can do.

1084 RadicalModerate  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 10:58:56am

Yikes ... all this talk about allergies is bringing back some rather unpleasant memories of my early-middle puberty years, when my immune system went totally out of whack and I had an allergic reaction (of varying degrees) to just about everything under the sun. Part of the laundry list of just the food items: Citrus fruits, beef products, most fresh and salt-water fish, mollusks and crustaceans, dairy products, vegetables in the maize (corn) family, and tomatoes - most of these triggered a night's worth of nausea/vomiting if I ate them.
Pollen and other airborne items were bad news as well - not pleasant when living in northern Louisiana, where fall/winter lasts about two days.
Spent about 4 years taking daily to semi-weekly intramuscular shots, a strictly controlled diet including vitamin and calcium supplements, and outdoor activity kept to a minimum. Finally, when my body chemistry settled down, I can eat almost all food items without a peep, and pollen-based allergies are better (although I still have a touch of asthma that was a result of the earlier battles).

1085 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 11:00:14am

re: #1071 garhighway

You underestimate Mother Nature's recuperative powers.

"Mother Nature" is someone who can be fooled into believing that a petroleum product is butter. Plant and animal life can't.

1086 Bagua  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 11:01:05am

re: #1081 garhighway

When it costs a million bucks a day to run the platform, the incentive to trade safety for speed is pretty strong. It would take a very robust "safety first" culture to resist that, and BP clearly doesn't have such a culture.

A million is on a cheep day, dependent on the current operations, it can be several times that.

What they did, they probably did many times before on other wells and never had a blow out. So they likely were overconfident, and just tried it again. The worst part was ignoring the clear warning signs, this well was clearly problematic, and those known problems may make it impossible to stop with the relief wells.

1087 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 11:02:38am

re: #1012 Cato the Elder

Not only do they fall for it, they pay similar amounts for "potentiated" water to what non-crazy people pay for actual medicine. And in Germany and other countries, you can get homeopathic "treatment" under insurance coverage.

Homeopaths are constantly finding newer, even nuttier treatments to flog to their dupes, er, patients. One involves rainwater that has been collected from thunderstorms. Because, dontcha know, the 'lectricity stays in the water and makes it a cure for something-or-other.

And if you have a priest bless it then it's twice as good for you!

1088 Bagua  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 11:05:23am

re: #1083 Fozzie Bear

I think the point is that there is no contingency plan for this kind of thing. I.e., plans A, B, and C are all to not let this happen. Once it happens, there isn't much you can do.

Actually, there is a contingency plan, drill the relief wells and hope they work. But you are quite right there is no short term solution that is acceptable. The technological advances went to the drilling side, not the containment side. I also expect we will see a new generation of BOPs with added redundancy. Regulatory changes that will rule out the steps that caused the accident, and a serious effort to be more prepared to contain a spill.

All this when drilling starts up again in earnest, in 4 or 5 years.

1090 ryannon  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 11:26:37am

re: #1046 reine.de.tout

addition:
But I no longer have an allergy to feathers or horses.

What about horse-feathers?

1091 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:14:14pm

re: #979 Aceofwhat?

you're frothing again.

Excuse me - didn't Mandy just nearly get banned after demonstrating that she still doesn't get that this sort of talk is out, even after yesterday's warnings(which I thought were pretty fucking clear)?

That makes a further reminder pretty apt, actually.

1092 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 2:23:02pm

re: #879 cliffster

it's funny when someone who is full of hate and anger is screaming at someone about being hateful and angry

There is anger and some frustration over a poster who repeatedly brings LGF into disrepute by using offensive terms and slurs that everyone here knows are not tolerated here, but there is no hate.

And how many of Mandy's "FUCK YOU!", "FUCK OFF AND DIE"'s etc to others did you applaud or remain silent about on your way to expressing shock and outrage over iceweasel's comment here? Answers to the nearest hundred please.

1093 The Left  Wed, Jun 2, 2010 5:54:31pm

re: #1092 Jimmah

There is anger and some frustration over a poster who repeatedly brings LGF into disrepute by using offensive terms and slurs that everyone here knows are not tolerated here, but there is no hate.

And how many of Mandy's "FUCK YOU!", "FUCK OFF AND DIE"'s etc to others did you applaud or remain silent about on your way to expressing shock and outrage over iceweasel's comment here? Answers to the nearest hundred please.

Or upding. Yeah.


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