Wow. The Anchorage Daily News has posted a video of the incident in which reporter Tony Hopfinger was handcuffed and detained by Tea Party candidate Joe Miller’s security guards, showing some astonishingly thuggish behavior as other reporters tried to interview Hopfinger.
This is seriously bad craziness. Tea Party candidates aren’t just running away from reporters now — they’re setting thugs on them.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:28:04pm |
Bunch of punks. I hope Miller gets humiliated at the polls due to this.
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Linden Arden Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:31:26pm |
Murkowski is the legit Republican. Miller is the spawn of the Tea Party who wants government to come to a complete halt despite his past reliance on Medicaid.
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Kragar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:32:11pm |
Don’t trust the evil Federal government, but trust the private security guards who obviously were trying to strong arm reporters.
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Skeetghazi Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:32:25pm |
Tonight is the AK Senate debate. Moderated by the handcuffed editor. Chickenshit Joe cancelled.
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darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:32:48pm |
Questions:
1. Were Joe Miller’s body guards armed?
2. Are they all permitted to carry concealed weapons?
3. If not, are there laws in Alaska about carrying concealed weapons onto school property?
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:33:02pm |
These are probably informal Tea Party goons rather than licensed security personnel, though I could be wrong. I don’t know the Alaska laws, but if they were licensed in Texas, they would have lost those licenses by now.
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darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:33:35pm |
re: #4 Stanley Sea
Tonight is the AK Senate debate. Moderated by the handcuffed editor. Chickenshit Joe cancelled.
Murkowski and McAdams can still debate without him.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:34:33pm |
re: #2 Linden Arden
Murkowski is the legit Republican. Miller is the spawn of the Tea Party who wants government to come to a complete halt despite his past reliance on Medicaid.
Murkowski is not the legit nominee. Miller is. Spawn or not, he won the primary. Interesting what he’ll have to say about the actions of his security team.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:34:34pm |
Geez, where’s the Obama Youth Brigade when you need them?
Oh, wait…
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HappyWarrior Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:34:39pm |
re: #4 Stanley Sea
Tonight is the AK Senate debate. Moderated by the handcuffed editor. Chickenshit Joe cancelled.
Of course he did, he’s a cowardly hypocrite.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:35:21pm |
re: #9 Slumbering Behemoth
Geez, where’s the Obama Youth Brigade when you need them?
Oh, wait…
Oh we’re going out to terrorize Christians tonight and sacrifices babies to our fueher Barack :).
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darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:36:23pm |
re: #10 HappyWarrior
Of course he did, he’s a cowardly hypocrite.
Time to buy the wife and eight kids new wardrobes for “campaign appearances,” because he’s not going to get that cushy Senate salary to help keep her happy.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:36:27pm |
Wow, look at those guys with their dumb dead cow eyes
STAY BACK MAN, WE GOT US A REAL MURKIAN HERE HYUK HYUK
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:36:36pm |
re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Don’t trust the evil Federal government, but trust the private security guards who obviously were trying to strong arm reporters.
PACs are the wave of the future!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:37:29pm |
re: #4 Stanley Sea
Tonight is the AK Senate debate. Moderated by the handcuffed editor. Chickenshit Joe cancelled.
hahahaha what a weak fuck
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Gus Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:38:17pm |
William Fulton - Owner of “cash only” Drop Zone. More here. Drop Zone has also advertised at Lone Wolf Resistance in their The LoneWolf Resistance Manual and a PDF available here.
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Linden Arden Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:39:08pm |
re: #8 lostlakehiker
Murkowski is not the legit nominee. Miller is. Spawn or not, he won the primary. Interesting what he’ll have to say about the actions of his security team.
Well, I admit you are right.
I am tiring of the multi-faceted view of “liberty” from the weak Tea candidates overall. Its really fucked up to see a normal Republican like Murkowski as the centrist in the race.
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darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:39:09pm |
re: #17 Gus 802
He looks a lot like Glenn Beck, too, so he has that going against him.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:39:14pm |
re: #4 Stanley Sea
Tonight is the AK Senate debate. Moderated by the handcuffed editor. Chickenshit Joe cancelled.
Cut him some slack, he’s got his hands full just maintaining that beard.
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Kragar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:40:31pm |
re: #17 Gus 802
William Fulton - Owner of “cash only” Drop Zone. More here. Drop Zone has also advertised at Lone Wolf Resistance in their The LoneWolf Resistance Manual and a PDF available here.
Oh, they pedal crap surplus gear and militia decals to survivalists who couldn’t survive a grape embargo. Why didn’t you say so?
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Gus Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:41:23pm |
re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Oh, they pedal crap surplus gear and militia decals to survivalists who couldn’t survive a grape embargo. Why didn’t you say so?
Here’s a Drop Zone classified.
[Link: alaskaslist.com…]
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:42:20pm |
re: #11 HappyWarrior
And here I thought y’all were tied up working on them death-panels. Huh, I guess even a death panelist needs to cut loose once in a while.
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wschaeffer Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:43:17pm |
Just a question: Can someone ‘rent’ a school and hire their own private security? Kicking out a reporter may be backwards, but is it legal?
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darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:43:40pm |
re: #22 Gus 802
Here’s a Drop Zone classified.
[Link: alaskaslist.com…]
Heh…that looks like the same goon who is dancing in front of the camera in the video…check out the eyes.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:43:50pm |
re: #23 Slumbering Behemoth
And here I thought y’all were tied up working on them death-panels. Huh, I guess even a death panelist needs to cut loose once in a while.
That was supposed to be a surprise. Now you’ve gone out and ruined it. And these were going to be fun death panels too with cake, ice cream, pizza, and party hats.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:44:52pm |
re: #24 wschaeffer
Just a question: Can someone ‘rent’ a school and hire their own private security? Kicking out a reporter may be backwards, but is it legal?
Possibly to the first one, and not even f***ing close to the second.
This was a public event. Do you know of anyone who “owns” a public event?
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darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:45:35pm |
re: #24 wschaeffer
Just a question: Can someone ‘rent’ a school and hire their own private security? Kicking out a reporter may be backwards, but is it legal?
No and no.
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Kragar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:46:11pm |
re: #17 Gus 802
William Fulton - Owner of “cash only” Drop Zone. More here. Drop Zone has also advertised at Lone Wolf Resistance in their The LoneWolf Resistance Manual and a PDF available here.
So a quick perusal of their “resistance manual” appears to be a crappy re-edit of the anarchist’s cook book written by some one who has watched too many Steven Segal films and swapped out drug references and replaced them with “Patriotism”
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Kragar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:47:12pm |
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jaunte Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:47:15pm |
re: #22 Gus 802
Here’s a Drop Zone classified.
[Link: alaskaslist.com…]
“Bullet Proof yourself now before its to late.”
The no-visible-affect security guards are coming!
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:47:45pm |
re: #28 darthstar
No and no.
Are you sure you can’t rent a school?
I bet you could if you were willing to spend enough money during a Saturday or Sunday when they wouldn’t really be using it anyway….
(Half sarc…)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:47:52pm |
re: #24 wschaeffer
Just a question: Can someone ‘rent’ a school and hire their own private security? Kicking out a reporter may be backwards, but is it legal?
Maybe. I went to a corporate christmas party at a highschool my company rented for the night, so I guess it’s possible. Don’t recall any serious security being there, but it was an invitation only event.
/Open bar FTMFW!!!
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darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:48:19pm |
re: #30 Shropshire_Slasher
This reminds me of second grade
Joe Miller has refused to answer questions about whether or not he actually DID step in the cootie pit on his way to class, but his campaign manager did insist that Mr. Miller does not now have cooties.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:50:01pm |
re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Oh, they pedal crap surplus gear and militia decals to survivalists who couldn’t survive a grape embargo. Why didn’t you say so?
Oh man, those guys
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Kragar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:50:05pm |
re: #22 Gus 802
Here’s a Drop Zone classified.
[Link: alaskaslist.com…]
That particular vest lacks the plate most modern body has to prevent penetration from heavier rounds. It will guard well enough against shrapnel but not bullet proof by a long shot.
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darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:50:10pm |
re: #33 jamesfirecat
Are you sure you can’t rent a school?
I bet you could if you were willing to spend enough money during a Saturday or Sunday when they wouldn’t really be using it anyway…
(Half sarc…)
Campaigns are pubilc events, and when something is billed as a “town hall meeting” and public facilities are used, it cannot after the fact be called a ‘private event’…if Miller wanted to have a private event, he could have rented a meeting room at the Holiday Inn Express (free bagels!).
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Reginald Perrin Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:50:47pm |
Mr Miller was trying to invoke his constitutional right to freedom from the press.
///
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Gus Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:51:04pm |
re: #37 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
That particular vest lacks the plate most modern body has to prevent penetration from heavier rounds. It will guard well enough against shrapnel but not bullet proof by a long shot.
Must be why they’re cash only.
/
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:51:45pm |
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HappyWarrior Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:52:05pm |
re: #35 darthstar
Joe Miller has refused to answer questions about whether or not he actually DID step in the cootie pit on his way to class, but his campaign manager did insist that Mr. Miller does not now have cooties.
I have it on good authority that Joe Miller has never kissed a girl but he has kissed a dog.
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Kragar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:52:31pm |
re: #32 jaunte
The no-visible-affect security guards are coming!
The vest is too small for the guy wearing it as well. Its stiff and will hamper his movement, plus, its riding up too far, providing almost no protection to his lower abdomen.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:52:57pm |
In fandom, we call the guys who walk around sci-fi conventions all decked out like they’re bad-ass camo spec-ops dudes “wargasms”
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:53:57pm |
re: #28 darthstar
No and no.
I’m pretty sure you can, unless my (ex)company and the school it rented were both in violation of the law. Perhaps there may be a difference here in whether the school is public or private.
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Kragar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:54:46pm |
re: #44 WindUpBird
In fandom, we call the guys who walk around sci-fi conventions all decked out like they’re bad-ass camo spec-ops dudes “wargasms”
They hate it when I fail them on a gear inspection.
“Jump up and down. You sound like god damn bird shot in a soda can. Real stealthy there Rambo.”
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Gus Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:55:03pm |
Some Drop Zone images.
[Link: www.flickr.com…]
[Link: www.flickr.com…]
The last one is on one of the windows at their shop.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:56:21pm |
re: #47 Gus 802
Some Drop Zone images.
[Link: www.flickr.com…]
[Link: www.flickr.com…]
The last one is on one of the windows at their shop.
That logo looks like a cheesy Bond villain’s logo..
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:56:54pm |
re: #46 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
They hate it when I fail them on a gear inspection.
“Jump up and down. You sound like god damn bird shot in a soda can. Real stealthy there Rambo.”
ee hee hee :D
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Gus Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:57:24pm |
re: #48 Varek Raith
That logo looks like a cheesy Bond villain’s logo..
The parachute? That just Army “jump wings”.
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WSchaeffer Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:58:22pm |
re: #38 darthstar
I wonder how they draw the line on rent and use. My son’s cub scouts meet at the school on Thursday nights. There’s a local church that rents the school on Sunday morning. I suppose they could have there own security for the protection of the parishioners?
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:59:25pm |
Instadouche doubles down on the stupidity…..
I do think that Obama’s inept approach to these issues has made the American public more fearful than it was under Bush, and as a result, more anti-Muslim. The polls certainly demonstrate this shift, and it’s hard for me to see what else would account for it. When people trusted Bush to keep them safe, they weren’t scared. They don’t trust Obama to keep them safe, so they’re more scared. As the President himself suggests, when people are scared, they tend to lash out… .Posted at 6:44 pm by Glenn Reynolds
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Kragar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 3:59:39pm |
re: #50 Gus 802
The parachute? That just Army “jump wings”.
I find it highly unlikely that their average employee or customer has any practical experience with the skill set necessary for jump wings.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:00:29pm |
re: #52 Killgore Trout
In response to this article:Questions For Instapundit
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:01:00pm |
re: #46 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
They hate it when I fail them on a gear inspection.
“Jump up and down. You sound like god damn bird shot in a soda can. Real stealthy there Rambo.”
LOL!
Do you give them duct tape to fix it?
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HappyWarrior Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:01:24pm |
Lisa Murkowski has gotta be loving the way Miller’s proven himself to be a complete trainwreck. I wonder what she does if she’s reelected. Does she still caucus with the Republicans like Lieberman did with the Dems and act as a thorn in their side or does she completely tell them to go piss a rope.
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darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:02:03pm |
re: #47 Gus 802
Some Drop Zone images.
[Link: www.flickr.com…]
[Link: www.flickr.com…]
The last one is on one of the windows at their shop.
Conveniently for their “never gonna get laid” goons, Drop Zone’s offices are across the street from a bar that specializes in “Darts and Adult Entertainment”…I suspect these guys are getting paid $10 an hour under the table and think it’s a great salary.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:02:05pm |
Bad things to do, if you are running for office:
1. Hire security guards who look like skinheads.
2. Rent a building that is normally public for a private event. This confuses the public. If it had been held at a private home, nobody would have thought it odd to deny entrance to any uninvited person. They might have been within their legal rights, but it looks funny.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:03:12pm |
re: #51 WSchaeffer
I wonder how they draw the line on rent and use. My son’s cub scouts meet at the school on Thursday nights. There’s a local church that rents the school on Sunday morning. I suppose they could have there own security for the protection of the parishioners?
Its all about the intent of the event.
A church is only open to certain people, a cub scout meeting is only open to the scout and their family…
This event on the other hand was an event open to the public.
So the public has a write to be there you can’t trespass at a public event if you’re a member of the public.
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Kragar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:03:53pm |
re: #55 Floral Giraffe
LOL!
Do you give them duct tape to fix it?
No. First, duct tape is shiny and could give their position away. Second, they should have a roll of electrical tape or OD tape on them anyways.
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Renaissance_Man Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:04:03pm |
re: #52 Killgore Trout
Instadouche doubles down on the stupidity…
I do think that Obama’s inept approach to these issues has made the American public more fearful than it was under Bush, and as a result, more anti-Muslim. The polls certainly demonstrate this shift, and it’s hard for me to see what else would account for it. When people trusted Bush to keep them safe, they weren’t scared. They don’t trust Obama to keep them safe, so they’re more scared. As the President himself suggests, when people are scared, they tend to lash out… .
Posted at 6:44 pm by Glenn Reynolds
Really now. I guess it would be hard for you to see, if you are indeed totally blinded by partisan hatred as your entire cult is.
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jaunte Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:04:19pm |
re: #59 jamesfirecat
Sir, if you’re going to ask questions, you’re going to have to leave, sir.
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darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:04:21pm |
re: #56 HappyWarrior
Lisa Murkowski has gotta be loving the way Miller’s proven himself to be a complete trainwreck. I wonder what she does if she’s reelected. Does she still caucus with the Republicans like Lieberman did with the Dems and act as a thorn in their side or does she completely tell them to go piss a rope.
She’ll caucus with the Republicans. She hasn’t changed her party affiliation, and she knows she’ll maintain her seniority and committee seats if she does…and 24 hours after the election, Mitch McConnell will be begging her for party unity so hard his jowels will get stuck in her butt-cheeks.
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Gus Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:04:43pm |
re: #53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I find it highly unlikely that their average employee or customer has any practical experience with the skill set necessary for jump wings.
Hey. The one security gorilla says he was in the Marines. And he worked “loss prevention” over at Walmart.
Walmart
Anchorage, Alaska US
Asset Protection Associate
Asset Protection/ Loss Prevention
10/01/2008-05/15/2009
Quack!
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Political Atheist Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:04:43pm |
re: #28 darthstar
Why not? What makes a Public school public after hours? I have rented a “public” room for private purposes. And had security ready top prevent or remove trespassers. My event was a wedding reception. We could have barred anyone but a peace officer or fireman.
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brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:05:21pm |
I don’t think it is legal to hand cuff some one unless you are a LEO…
or a hooker.
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darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:05:47pm |
re: #58 EmmmieG
Bad things to do, if you are running for office:
1. Hire security guards who look like skinheads.
2. Rent a building that is normally public for a private event. This confuses the public. If it had been held at a private home, nobody would have thought it odd to deny entrance to any uninvited person. They might have been within their legal rights, but it looks funny.
3. Don’t call it a “town hall meeting” open to the public.
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elizajane Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:06:14pm |
re: #56 HappyWarrior
She continues to caucus with the Republicans. If I’m not mistaken, they let her keep her committees last month even though she was running against their official candidate. Even aside from the “protect your own” feeling in the Senate, there must have been a good few people there who figured she’d be able to pull off a write-in against Miller. So her bridges aren’t burned in the Senate, not at all.
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Kragar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:06:33pm |
re: #64 Gus 802
Hey. The one security gorilla says he was in the Marines. And he worked “loss prevention” over at Walmart.
Quack!
You kids better put those CDs back on the rack and leave before things get (unbuttons his radio holster cover)… ugly.
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darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:06:42pm |
re: #64 Gus 802
Hey. The one security gorilla says he was in the Marines. And he worked “loss prevention” over at Walmart.
Quack!
I think that meant he collected shopping carts that got beyond the parking lot.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:07:58pm |
re: #68 elizajane
She continues to caucus with the Republicans. If I’m not mistaken, they let her keep her committees last month even though she was running against their official candidate. Even aside from the “protect your own” feeling in the Senate, there must have been a good few people there who figured she’d be able to pull off a write-in against Miller. So her bridges aren’t burned in the Senate, not at all.
Yeah that’s right, had forgotten about the committee seats, saw on here that Palin had a whiny tweet about that a few weeks back.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:09:00pm |
re: #65 Rightwingconspirator
Why not? What makes a Public school public after hours? I have rented a “public” room for private purposes. And had security ready top prevent or remove trespassers. My event was a wedding reception. We could have barred anyone but a peace officer or fireman.
The one wedding reception I’ve been to at a school was my cousin’s. In order for the peace officers not to be called, my cousin was medicated. (I’m not joking. MIL still managed to tick him off. Long story.)
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Gus Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:09:08pm |
Once there was “the greatest generation.”
Today, I think we have “the weirdest generation.”
/
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brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:10:16pm |
re: #73 Gus 802
Once there was “the greatest generation.”
Today, I think we have “the weirdest generation.”
/
who do you blame? … we need a top 10 list.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:10:38pm |
re: #61 Renaissance_Man
Really now. I guess it would be hard for you to see, if you are indeed totally blinded by partisan hatred as your entire cult is.
It’s also a great example of the pussification of conservatism. They take no personal responsibility for their own extremism. Instead they want the government to step in to soothe and coddle them.
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Political Atheist Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:11:17pm |
re: #24 wschaeffer
re: #28 darthstar
Perhaps confusing the law and right and wrong is the issue here.
The above incident aside, I do not see why not. I’d like to see the link that shows a law declaring a a public room as utterly public despite being rented by a private party.
if I rented a public room (school or library) after hours for a invitation only “public” (not just jewelers)jewelry event it would be private and trespassers would certainly be barred as security risks. Without any legal worries at all.
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brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:12:09pm |
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Kragar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:12:21pm |
re: #74 brookly red
who do you blame? … we need a top 10 list.
Skull and Bones
Jews
Black Robed Shadow Cabal
Chemtrails
Gold Fringe
Big Government
Big Media
The Government Media Complex
Freemasons
Col Sanders
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HappyWarrior Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:12:44pm |
You know what I think it was that caused them to handcuff the reporter was that his question obviously struck a nerve. They know that Miller isn’t this pure and honest outsider and that he’s completely full of shit.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:13:19pm |
re: #79 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Skull and Bones
Jews
Black Robed Shadow Cabal
Chemtrails
Gold Fringe
Big Government
Big Media
The Government Media Complex
Freemasons
Col Sanders
No Federal Reserve? disappointment, disappointment.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:13:48pm |
re: #76 Rightwingconspirator
re: #28 darthstar
Perhaps confusing the law and right and wrong is the issue here.
The above incident aside, I do not see why not. I’d like to see the link that shows a law declaring a a public room as utterly public despite being rented by a private party.if I rented a public room (school or library) after hours for a invitation only “public” (not just jewelers)jewelry event it would be private and trespassers would certainly be barred as security risks. Without any legal worries at all.
Yes because letting a journalist near your candidate is exactly like letting cat burgulars near your jewelry….
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brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:13:48pm |
re: #79 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Skull and Bones
Jews
Black Robed Shadow Cabal
Chemtrails
Gold Fringe
Big Government
Big Media
The Government Media Complex
Freemasons
Col Sanders
awww man your not supposed to give the whole 10…
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Reginald Perrin Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:13:52pm |
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Kragar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:13:55pm |
re: #81 HappyWarrior
No Federal Reserve? disappointment, disappointment.
Falls under Big Government and Jews!
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brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:14:21pm |
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darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:14:28pm |
re: #76 Rightwingconspirator
re: #28 darthstar
Perhaps confusing the law and right and wrong is the issue here.
The above incident aside, I do not see why not. I’d like to see the link that shows a law declaring a a public room as utterly public despite being rented by a private party.if I rented a public room (school or library) after hours for a invitation only “public” (not just jewelers)jewelry event it would be private and trespassers would certainly be barred as security risks. Without any legal worries at all.
It was an open to the public event, as far as I know…so the “private” argument is invalid. Regardless of whether or not you CAN rent a public space and make it private, they DIDN’T.
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Kragar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:14:36pm |
re: #83 brookly red
awww man your not supposed to give the whole 10…
I didn’t mention the whole Pentaverate…
SHIT!
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Gus Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:14:54pm |
Drop Zone guy see Google camera van! Quick, notify Alex Jones!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:15:14pm |
re: #82 jamesfirecat
Yes because letting a journalist near your candidate is exactly like letting cat burgulars near your jewelry…
Cat burglars? Are you confessing something?
///
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HappyWarrior Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:15:28pm |
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Gus Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:15:33pm |
re: #79 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Skull and Bones
Jews
Black Robed Shadow Cabal
Chemtrails
Gold Fringe
Big Government
Big Media
The Government Media Complex
Freemasons
Col Sanders
Skynet
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Flounder Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:15:34pm |
I’m glad my local school doesn’t have a swimming pool, I couldn’t imagine all the perverts hanging around there.
The local public school does close the road in the summer because it is private property, haven’t figured out that yet.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:16:16pm |
re: #91 HappyWarrior
Well he also said big media which could also mean Jews.
Big Media
International Bankers
Zionist conspiracy
I know I’ve got to missing half a dozen here. Help me.
| 95 |
brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:16:21pm |
re: #88 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I didn’t mention the whole Pentaverate…
SHIT!
shit, now look what you did… their launching drones!
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kirkspencer Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:16:23pm |
re: #76 Rightwingconspirator
re: #28 darthstar
Perhaps confusing the law and right and wrong is the issue here.
The above incident aside, I do not see why not. I’d like to see the link that shows a law declaring a a public room as utterly public despite being rented by a private party.if I rented a public room (school or library) after hours for a invitation only “public” (not just jewelers)jewelry event it would be private and trespassers would certainly be barred as security risks. Without any legal worries at all.
Actually, I’d be interested in knowing if the SCHOOL knew it was supposed to be a “private event”. I’ve worked in a few places - schools and libraries - where rooms and areas could be lined up, but they’ve all got strings that are almost always “must be public” since the facility is a taxpayer funded facility.
| 97 |
Flounder Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:16:46pm |
Colonel Sanders? mmmmmmmmmmmm fried chicken, biscuits,mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
| 98 |
Dancing along the light of day Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:16:57pm |
re: #65 Rightwingconspirator
Why not? What makes a Public school public after hours? I have rented a “public” room for private purposes. And had security ready top prevent or remove trespassers. My event was a wedding reception. We could have barred anyone but a peace officer or fireman.
Lots of public schools rent out space “after hours”. I don’t know about the “security” thing, though…
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brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:17:39pm |
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Kragar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:17:49pm |
re: #97 Shropshire_Slasher
Colonel Sanders? mmm fried chicken, biscuits,mmm
I hate the Colonel, with his wee beady eyes.
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Political Atheist Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:18:17pm |
re: #82 jamesfirecat
Hence my line about “the above incident aside”. Oh and not confusing the law with “right and wrong”? ‘Cmon now I’m addressing the never ever “private” yet rent-able public school room.
Obviously the candidate will take a big hit in his reputation for this. Looks like a self correcting error-Miller screws up bad and loses election forthwith.
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darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:18:21pm |
re: #89 Gus 802
Drop Zone guy see Google camera van! Quick, notify Alex Jones!
Hey, there’s a 93 Blazer down the street for only $2200!
| 104 |
Romantic Heretic Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:19:11pm |
I would never step within arm’s reach of either of the two young men, and I use the term ‘men’ loosely, if I met them on the street.
There’s no there there. Scary dudes.
| 105 |
brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:19:31pm |
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:19:33pm |
re: #101 Rightwingconspirator
Hence my line about “the above incident aside”. Oh and not confusing the law with “right and wrong”? ‘Cmon now I’m addressing the never ever “private” yet rent-able public school room.
Obviously the candidate will take a big hit in his reputation for this. Looks like a self correcting error-Miller screws up bad and loses election forthwith.
You say that, except that did the Republicans learn anything from NY 23?
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:19:58pm |
re: #89 Gus 802
Drop Zone guy see Google camera van! Quick, notify Alex Jones!
Heh. They’re so cute when they’re paranoid.
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darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:20:23pm |
re: #106 jamesfirecat
You say that, except that did the Republicans learn anything from NY 23?
Teabagger’s dropping out of NY23 this time, though his name is still on the ballot…so it’ll be interesting to see if Owens wins reelection.
| 109 |
Gus Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:20:40pm |
re: #107 Killgore Trout
Heh. They’re so cute when they’re paranoid.
Yeah. If you back up you can see at first he was messing with his cell phone. When suddenly!
| 110 |
Mr.Boots Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:20:53pm |
re: #44 WindUpBird
In fandom, we call the guys who walk around sci-fi conventions all decked out like they’re bad-ass camo spec-ops dudes “wargasms”
Mall Ninjas or Gear-queer Wannabes are two other terms that are used to describe that costuming.
| 111 |
darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:21:54pm |
re: #107 Killgore Trout
Heh. They’re so cute when they’re paranoid.
He looks like he’s waiting for his girlfriend to get back from WalMart with the PT Cruiser so she can take him to her parent’s place so they can have dinner and he can see his kids.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:22:47pm |
As to the legal aspect, the real cop seemed to think they were within their legal rights.
It’s still a really stupid thing for a candidate to do.
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Gus Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:23:10pm |
re: #111 darthstar
He looks like he’s waiting for his girlfriend to get back from WalMart with the PT Cruiser so she can take him to her parent’s place so they can have dinner and he can see his kids.
But first he’s got to cop. /
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darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:23:14pm |
re: #110 Mr.Boots
Mall Ninjas or Gear-queer Wannabes are two other terms that are used to describe that costuming.
Chuck Norris is battling ninjas right now…”The Octagon”…seriously shitty acting…can’t believe I liked this when I was 16.
| 116 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:23:18pm |
re: #104 Romantic Heretic
I would never step within arm’s reach of either of the two young men, and I use the term ‘men’ loosely, if I met them on the street.
There’s no there there. Scary dudes.
The security guys the shul down the street from my mom uses are much better looking. And much more aware. And their haircuts are better. But they’re Russian, so that may explain it.
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TedStriker Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:23:42pm |
re: #22 Gus 802
Here’s a Drop Zone classified.
[Link: alaskaslist.com…]
Kevlar Body Armor and A kevlar Helmet Both in woodland Camo This offer ends when there all gone Bullet Proof yourself now before its to late. All sizes available
Complete with misspellings, missing punctuation, capitalization where there shouldn’t be, and brooding paranoia…what’s not to like?
/WOLVERINES!!11ty
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Political Atheist Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:24:17pm |
re: #87 darthstar
Look Miller’s people are thugs. Again what is legal is quite different from what is wise…
But I suspect we will see zero legal action against the guards or the candidates. Time will tell. But I’d bet lunch no criminal laws got broken here at all.
Anyone else remember the guards at the polling place scandal? No charges ever filed right?
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:24:49pm |
re: #79 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Skull and Bones
Jews
Black Robed Shadow Cabal
Chemtrails
Gold Fringe
Big Government
Big Media
The Government Media Complex
Freemasons
Col Sanders
Facebook!
| 120 |
darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:24:59pm |
re: #116 SanFranciscoZionist
The security guys the shul down the street from my mom uses are much better looking. And much more aware. And their haircuts are better. But they’re Russian, so that may explain it.
And you probably don’t want to fuck with them…whereas these clowns Miller hired couldn’t get hired at a night-club.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:25:24pm |
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brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:25:30pm |
re: #118 Rightwingconspirator
Look Miller’s people are thugs. Again what is legal is quite different from what is wise…
But I suspect we will see zero legal action against the guards or the candidates. Time will tell. But I’d bet lunch no criminal laws got broken here at all.Anyone else remember the guards at the polling place scandal? No charges ever filed right?
uhh which polling place scandal?
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:27:02pm |
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Political Atheist Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:27:02pm |
re: #98 Floral Giraffe
In general I can tell you from running events that the room access control reverts to the renter for the duration of the event, as does much of the liability. From where we sit, no telling what the contract said. The contract would specify all that.
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TedStriker Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:27:19pm |
re: #37 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
That particular vest lacks the plate most modern body has to prevent penetration from heavier rounds. It will guard well enough against shrapnel but not bullet proof by a long shot.
I don’t think any of the US services have officially used the woodland camo pattern to any large degree for well over a decade…could be wrong about that though.
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brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:27:23pm |
re: #115 darthstar
Chuck Norris is battling ninjas right now…”The Octagon”…seriously shitty acting…can’t believe I liked this when I was 16.
when I was 16 I thought liberals were cool…
we grow :)
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:27:42pm |
re: #120 darthstar
And you probably don’t want to fuck with them…whereas these clowns Miller hired couldn’t get hired at a night-club.
Their grandma is praying inside. You ain’t getting past them.
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brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:29:02pm |
re: #123 jamesfirecat
I’ll take a guess…
NBP?
Do I win a prize?
dinner for 2 at the Hong Kong Hilton! (airfare not included)
| 131 |
sagehen Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:30:42pm |
re: #63 darthstar
She’ll caucus with the Republicans. She hasn’t changed her party affiliation, and she knows she’ll maintain her seniority and committee seats if she does…and 24 hours after the election, Mitch McConnell will be begging her for party unity so hard his jowels will get stuck in her butt-cheeks.
Republicans don’t assign committee chairs by seniority. Democrats do (the CBC insisted on that years ago, and they’re not going to budge now), which is why they’re stuck with Lieberman.
Republican committee chairs are mostly on the basis of fundraising for the NRSC and NRCC, with an extra oomph that the party leadership can use it for a PartyUnity! cudgel. Remember when Specter’s gavel at judiciary was threatened because right after the ‘04 election he’d said something insufficiently conservative about abortion and Bush’s judicial nominees? They kept him on a really short leash from then until the day he skipped.
| 132 |
TedStriker Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:31:08pm |
re: #50 Gus 802
The parachute? That just Army “jump wings”.
And I’ll bet few, if any, of those Drop Zone thugs have actually been in the military, much less went through jump school.
| 133 |
darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:31:08pm |
I’m thinking of calling Drop Zone tomorrow during business hours and asking if they do children’s birthdays, bar mitzvahs, and bachelor/bachelorette parties.
| 134 |
TedStriker Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:32:11pm |
re: #122 brookly red
uhh which polling place scandal?
The New Black Panther brouhaha up in Philly (IIRC)…
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HappyWarrior Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:32:13pm |
re: #133 darthstar
I’m thinking of calling Drop Zone tomorrow during business hours and asking if they do children’s birthdays, bar mitzvahs, and bachelor/bachelorette parties.
Ha, well as we saw in the videos they do have clowns so you may have luck booking them for a children’s birthday party but these aren’t the kind of clowns your average child likes.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:33:11pm |
To take this idea further, since I am enamored of it right now, there are things you can do that might be illegal, but would actually improve your chances of election. For example, punching a known child molestor would lose you very few votes.
On the other hand, stripping down to your shorts and dancing the electrical boogaloo while shouting “I’m a hamster! I smell of elderberries!” during a televised debate is no doubt legal. Stupid, but legal.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:34:02pm |
re: #136 EmmmieG
To take this idea further, since I am enamored of it right now, there are things you can do that might be illegal, but would actually improve your chances of election. For example, punching a known child molestor would lose you very few votes.
On the other hand, stripping down to your shorts and dancing the electrical boogaloo while shouting “I’m a hamster! I smell of elderberries!” during a televised debate is no doubt legal. Stupid, but legal.
Not if you’re going for the Python crowd…
| 138 |
brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:34:28pm |
If I wanted private security I would call the Division Street Dragon Girls they are effective, vicious, visually non imposing & cute, in a psychotic way…
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brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:35:30pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:35:55pm |
re: #135 HappyWarrior
Ha, well as we saw in the videos they do have clowns so you may have luck booking them for a children’s birthday party but these aren’t the kind of clowns your average child likes.
There’s a video game called Delaware St. John: The Seacliff Tragedy that does great things with the freaky clown theme.
| 142 |
Varek Raith Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:35:59pm |
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TedStriker Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:36:17pm |
re: #135 HappyWarrior
Ha, well as we saw in the videos they do have clowns so you may have luck booking them for a children’s birthday party but these aren’t the kind of clowns your average child likes.
Joe Pesci played muthas tougher and crazier than those DZ assholes:
| 144 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:36:31pm |
re: #87 darthstar
It was an open to the public event, as far as I know…so the “private” argument is invalid. Regardless of whether or not you CAN rent a public space and make it private, they DIDN’T.
Are you certain? This story is new to me, so I don’t know all the details.
| 145 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:37:01pm |
re: #124 Rightwingconspirator
In general I can tell you from running events that the room access control reverts to the renter for the duration of the event, as does much of the liability. From where we sit, no telling what the contract said. The contract would specify all that.
I don’t see the controversy
Reporter states “it’s a public place (unintelligible)”
Cop,, “It’s actually a private, uh, they rented the,,,”
Reporter “they rented the entire school building?”
Cop ,”Apparently they did”
The whole thing could/ should have been handled better, but Hopfinger stated himself that he pushed someone away.
| 147 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:37:40pm |
re: #87 darthstar
It was an open to the public event, as far as I know…so the “private” argument is invalid. Regardless of whether or not you CAN rent a public space and make it private, they DIDN’T.
1:15 in
The police officer tells the reporter that the school was rented out
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HappyWarrior Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:37:45pm |
re: #143 talon_262
Joe Pesci played muthas tougher and crazier than those DZ assholes:
[Video]
Haha my favorite scene out of one of my favorite movies. Made my day that just did.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:39:25pm |
re: #149 Varek Raith
They weren’t cops.
The real cop. There was an actual one there. If you look, you can see which one it is.
| 151 |
darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:39:39pm |
re: #147 sattv4u2
1:15 in
The police officer tells the reporter that the school was rented out
Okay…I’m wrong…Miller and his goons are still assholes.
| 152 |
jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:39:48pm |
re: #147 sattv4u2
1:15 in
The police officer tells the reporter that the school was rented out
Just because you rented it out doesn’t make it a private place.
| 153 |
Varek Raith Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:40:36pm |
re: #150 EmmmieG
The real cop. There was an actual one there. If you look, you can see which one it is.
Thanks.
Oy, I’m missing a lot of important details today!
:/
| 154 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:41:30pm |
re: #153 Varek Raith
Thanks.
Oy, I’m missing a lot of important details today!
:/
Just promise me you’ll stay away from the Big Red Button. The one with the radioactivity symbol on it. Okay? Good.
| 155 |
Dancing along the light of day Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:41:45pm |
re: #136 EmmmieG
On the other hand, stripping down to your shorts and dancing the electrical boogaloo while shouting “I’m a hamster! I smell of elderberries!” during a televised debate is no doubt legal. Stupid, but legal.
Selectively edited, Are you really?
LOL!
How’s EmmieG?
| 156 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:41:47pm |
So anywho
I’m on my way in to work this morning driving through the Emory Hospital/ College area when traffic stops, 8-10 police motorcycles whizz by fiollowed by 3 black SUV’s loaded with uniformed SWAT members (windows were open) followed by a limo followed by two more SUVs and then three police cars
Come to find out, the Dalai Lama was in town
Wish I had known]
As he whizzed by I would have leaned out my car and shouted (hey ,, you knew where this was going)
Hello Dalia!!
| 157 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:42:13pm |
re: #151 darthstar
Okay…I’m wrong…Miller and his goons are still assholes.
As I stated, it could have/ should have been handled better
| 158 |
Gus Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:42:22pm |
re: #150 EmmmieG
The real cop. There was an actual one there. If you look, you can see which one it is.
Cop looked like he wanted to stay out of it. Good that he didn’t side with the goons.
| 159 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:42:35pm |
re: #152 jamesfirecat
Just because you rented it out doesn’t make it a private place.
But it does mean you decide!
| 160 |
jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:43:07pm |
re: #159 sattv4u2
But it does mean you decide!
Yeah, but how frequently are you allowed to change your mind?
| 161 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:43:21pm |
re: #149 Varek Raith
They weren’t cops.
There is an officer (REAL) talking to Hopfinger the entire video
| 162 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:43:32pm |
re: #155 Floral Giraffe
Selectively edited, Are you really?
LOL!
How’s EmmieG?
Still recovering from playing Band Chaperone.
The kids were fine. I knew we had no troubles when I went over to see what that big knot of boys was doing and found a lego party. Seriously. I took pictures.
It’s the lack of sleep that’s killing me.
| 163 |
Varek Raith Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:43:49pm |
re: #154 EmmmieG
Just promise me you’ll stay away from the Big Red Button. The one with the radioactivity symbol on it. Okay? Good.
I put a sticky note on it that says, “NO”.
| 164 |
darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:44:26pm |
re: #161 sattv4u2
There is an officer (REAL) talking to Hopfinger the entire video
They look to be having a friendly conversation. Obviously, the officer did not find Hopfinger to be a threat and uncuffed him.
| 165 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:44:34pm |
re: #160 jamesfirecat
Yeah, but how frequently are you allowed to change your mind?
Oh for Gods sake
Who “changed their minds”?
From the very beginning, the “goons” stated it was a private event
1:15 in the cop says the same
| 167 |
darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:45:12pm |
re: #163 Varek Raith
I put a sticky note on it that says, “NO”.
Did you press real hard? Sometimes the sticky notes don’t stay unless you push really hard on them.
| 169 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:45:46pm |
re: #145 sattv4u2
And then you can see, on camera, the security guards pushing the other reporters away. They touch their cameras, and they move towards them, forcing them down the hallway.
Whether or not they were legally allowed to do it depends on the terms of the rental agreement with the school, and the conditions on which they made the town hall a ‘public’ event.
| 170 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:45:48pm |
re: #164 darthstar
They look to be having a friendly conversation. Obviously, the officer did not find Hopfinger to be a threat and uncuffed him.
Correct,, but otice (and listen) he didn’t allow him to leave either,, the cop also took a radio call from someone who was on their way, “stuck in traffic”
A superior perhaps, who would then asses what to do with Hopfinger
| 171 |
darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:46:10pm |
re: #165 sattv4u2
Oh for Gods sake
Who “changed their minds”?
From the very beginning, the “goons” stated it was a private event
1:15 in the cop says the same
He is repeating what the goons told him. It was a “town hall” meeting…those aren’t generally considered ‘private’ functions, though I did concede on this point already.
| 173 |
brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:46:46pm |
re: #167 darthstar
Did you press real hard? Sometimes the sticky notes don’t stay unless you push really hard on them.
trivia: but the adhesive used to make them was an error… it was supposed to be a super glue.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:46:50pm |
re: #165 sattv4u2
Oh for Gods sake
Who “changed their minds”?
From the very beginning, the “goons” stated it was a private event
1:15 in the cop says the same
[Link: www.adn.com…]
Funny I didn’t realize that “Town Hall Meetings’ were Private events…
| 175 |
WSchaeffer Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:47:32pm |
Interesting note from HERE
“He noted that the school itself required him to bring security personnel to the event, and said that “at the beginning of the event, this same individual, he’s a blogger, he actually followed me into the restroom. This is not some sort of ‘Ah he’s kind of getting into your personal space’ thing. This is just absolutely crossing the line.”“
Either way, poorly handled by the campaign workers that should have tried to calm things down.
| 176 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:47:39pm |
re: #174 jamesfirecat
[Link: www.adn.com…]
Funny I didn’t realize that “Town Hall Meetings’ were Private events…
Really? You think you can just walk in and out of one that Obama is at?
| 177 |
Skeetghazi Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:47:52pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:48:13pm |
re: #152 jamesfirecat
Just because you rented it out doesn’t make it a private place.
I think it might, but I don’t know all the details. As others have related from experience here, they have either organized or attended events that are exclusive, closed to the public (i.e.: private), on rented public grounds.
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brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:48:16pm |
re: #174 jamesfirecat
[Link: www.adn.com…]
Funny I didn’t realize that “Town Hall Meetings’ were Private events…
well depends… if you pay MTV a shitload for casting you really don’t want any surprises…
| 181 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:49:01pm |
I would say BRB, but I think I’m scheduled from here to 9, so see you all much later.
| 182 |
TedStriker Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:49:23pm |
re: #147 sattv4u2
1:15 in
The police officer tells the reporter that the school was rented out
Doesn’t matter what the cop said if the function was open to the public, IMO…if if was open to the public, Miller and his jackbooted thugs can’t just say it’s private with no notice in order to justify squelching people they don’t like.
As I said downstairs a couple of threads ago, in Tennessee, a private security guard only has the power of arrest if they either witness or have overwhelming evidence that a felony has occurred or is occurring, in which case they can hold someone for the cops…otherwise they have no more police powers than a “civilian”. If Alaska’s laws are similar to ours here in TN, the Drop Zone fucks might have bought themselves charges and/or a suit for false arrest, no matter if the function was private or public, because what Hopfinger did was what might be considered simple assault or battery (a misdemeanor in most places) when he pushed whoever it was that he pushed, at worst.
| 183 |
jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:49:28pm |
re: #176 sattv4u2
Really? You think you can just walk in and out of one that Obama is at?
Look out that journalist is a clear and present danger, he’s armed with a camera and he knows how to use it!
Why didn’t they just turn him away at the door rather than letting him get close to the candidate?
| 184 |
darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:50:45pm |
re: #183 jamesfirecat
Look out that journalist is a clear and present danger, he’s armed with a camera and he knows how to use it!
Why didn’t they just turn him away at the door rather than letting him get close to the candidate?
He would have been even closer if Miller didn’t cancel his appearance in tonight’s debate with Murkowski and McAdams - Hopfinger is the moderator.
| 185 |
Vicious Babushka Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:51:07pm |
re: #79 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Skull and Bones
Jews
Black Robed Shadow Cabal
Chemtrails
Gold Fringe
Big Government
Big Media
The Government Media Complex
Freemasons
Col Sanders
Bilderbergers!
Trilateral Commission!
UN Blue Helmets!
Sprinkler Rainbows!
| 186 |
darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:51:44pm |
re: #185 Alouette
Bilderbergers!
Trilateral Commission!
UN Blue Helmets!
Sprinkler Rainbows!
Sprinkler Rainbows are the devil’s palette.
| 187 |
jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:51:47pm |
re: #184 darthstar
He would have been even closer if Miller didn’t cancel his appearance in tonight’s debate with Murkowski and McAdams - Hopfinger is the moderator.
//Well clearly Miller made the right choice, how could he expect to get a fair argument when dealing with the man his secuirty guards illegally handcuffed?
I bet the journalist holds a grudge over something like that!
| 188 |
darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:52:32pm |
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:55:05pm |
re: #179 Slumbering Behemoth
Fulton said that as a security guard he is familiar with state law, and he believes he has the legal authority to police “private events” no matter where might take place. He refused to answer how exactly a member of the public attending Miller’s town hall meeting at a public school was supposed to know it was a private event, but said the Joe Miller sign outside was the giveaway.
The meeting was open to the public. There were no names taken at the door. Reporters were not asked to apply for credentials.
The event really does not sound like it was a private event.
As for the bathroom part, Hopfinger’s version of it is that he exchanged pleasantries with Miller while they were in the bathroom. I really don’t get how following someone into the bathroom would be so amazingly over the line, either.
As for the security guard’s saying they were required to be hired:
“He was contractually required to have us there,” Fulton said. “In their contract with the school district, they’re required to have security.”
But spokespeople for Murkowski and Democrat Scott McAdams each told RealClearPolitics that they had held several events at Anchorage public schools and have never had to provide their own security guards.
“Senator Murkowski last year during the health care debate held town halls where there were hundreds of people there at public schools in the Anchorage school district, and she was never required to have security, nor did we hire security,” Murkowski spokesperson Steve Wackowski said. “They just had to have a security plan.”
Should be easy to check up on.
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brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:55:11pm |
re: #187 jamesfirecat
//Well clearly Miller made the right choice, how could he expect to get a fair argument when dealing with the man his secuirty guards illegally handcuffed?
I bet the journalist holds a grudge over something like that!
/please we all know journalists always tell the truth no matter what…
| 191 |
Jack Burton Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:55:15pm |
| 192 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:56:05pm |
Because we should all be eating more soy: Good eats - Soybeans
They’re also easy to grow in the garden.
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brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:56:07pm |
re: #191 ArchangelMichael
“Fuckin’ Rainbows! How do they work?”
well according to the polls they don’t…
| 194 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:56:10pm |
re: #183 jamesfirecat
Why didn’t they just turn him away at the door rather than letting him get close to the candidate?
The question answers itself.
Miller and his “security team” may well have been acting within the letter of the law here, but at this point it would appear that they had no problem with him being in attendance until he started asking Miller questions.
| 195 |
brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:58:00pm |
re: #194 Slumbering Behemoth
The question answers itself.
Miller and his “security team” may well have been acting within the letter of the law here, but at this point it would appear that they had no problem with him being in attendance until he started asking Miller questions.
yeah my gf’s family is like that too…
| 196 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 18, 2010 4:59:01pm |
re: #189 Obdicut
The event really does not sound like it was a private event.
That’s just it, though. We don’t seem to have all the facts or details here, so saying it did or did not sound like a private event is just speculation.
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engineer cat Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:00:17pm |
He refused to answer how exactly a member of the public attending Miller’s town hall meeting at a public school was supposed to know it was a private event, but said the Joe Miller sign outside was the giveaway.
a wedding reception is a private event, not a town hall meeting
since when is attempting to interview a candidate at something billed as a town hall meeting in any way a breach of privacy?
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brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:00:23pm |
re: #196 Slumbering Behemoth
That’s just it, though. We don’t seem to have all the facts or details here, so saying it did or did not sound like a private event is just speculation.
if it was private why do we know of it?
ooooh someone is gonna git hurt.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:00:46pm |
re: #192 Killgore Trout
Because we should all be eating more soy: Good eats - Soybeans
They’re also easy to grow in the garden.
You can have my share. I’ll stick with frijoles, thanks.
| 200 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:01:52pm |
Joe Miller: Detained Journo Had Followed Me Into The Bathroom
| 201 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:02:02pm |
| 202 |
Jack Burton Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:02:12pm |
re: #79 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Skull and Bones
Jews
Black Robed Shadow Cabal
Chemtrails
Gold Fringe
Big Government
Big Media
The Government Media Complex
Freemasons
Col Sanders
Needs:
Majestic 12
The Rosicrucians
The Illuminati
Reptilian Aliens
Ordo Templi Orientalis
Golden Dawn
Cobra
S.P.E.C.T.R.E.
Genoharadan…
ummm The Idea Men from The Tick?
| 203 |
Skeetghazi Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:02:17pm |
This is the story the Alaska Dispatch has been trying to get. Apparently Joe got on other office mate’s computers and cast votes for himself for the head of the Alaska Republican Party.
Joe Miller tells CNN he was disciplined for misuse of borough computers, was “during my lunch hour.” [Link: bit.ly…]
And then he quit 2 years later the day before being fired for something else. He won’t say what.
[Link: www.alaskadispatch.com…]
One of the most slippery candidates I’ve seen in awhile.
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darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:02:38pm |
re: #200 Killgore Trout
Joe Miller: Detained Journo Had Followed Me Into The Bathroom
[Video]
I think Miller was hoping it was Fmr Senator Larry Craig.
| 205 |
laZardo Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:03:35pm |
re: #202 ArchangelMichael
Needs:
Majestic 12
The Rosicrucians
The Illuminati
Reptilian Aliens
Ordo Templi Orientalis
Golden DawnCobra
S.P.E.C.T.R.E.
Genoharadan…
ummm The Idea Men from The Tick?
The Sith
4chan
Lions Club
Rotary
Your Local Homeowners Association
| 206 |
brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:04:03pm |
re: #201 Slumbering Behemoth
Cell phone cameras?
Damn! everyone was supposed to be naked! how did they ge…
never mind. I got a phone call to make…
| 207 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:05:24pm |
Imagine the howling if the situation was exactly the same except that these were Fox News reporters covering an Obama event.
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brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:06:45pm |
re: #207 negativ
Imagine the howling if the situation was exactly the same except that these were Fox News reporters covering an Obama event.
that’s silly… they never would have gotten near the place.
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Jack Burton Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:07:18pm |
re: #205 laZardo
The Sith
4chan
Lions Club
Rotary
Your Local Homeowners Association
That is the most EVIL of all EVIL conspiracies! Bored, self-important, control-freak, soccer moms. They can bring down empires and set worlds ablaze!
| 210 |
brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:07:58pm |
re: #209 ArchangelMichael
That is the most EVIL of all EVIL conspiracies! Bored, self-important, control-freak, soccer moms. They can bring down empires and set worlds ablaze!
and are about to…
| 211 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:08:21pm |
re: #205 laZardo
The Sith
4chan
Lions Club
Rotary
Your Local Homeowners Association
Don’t forget KAOS and, obviously, ACORN.
| 212 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:09:01pm |
re: #196 Slumbering Behemoth
That’s just it, though. We don’t seem to have all the facts or details here, so saying it did or did not sound like a private event is just speculation.
Well, no, not really. The event is very clearly not private, if no names are taken at the door. It’s open to the public. It’s public.
That doesn’t mean that the people running the event have no right to ask people to leave, of course— a private event mainly means you can restrain people from entering in the first place. But for someone to be ejectable from a public event, they actually have to be causing a disturbance or a nuisance— unless AK law is very, very different than other states.
It also means that they would have to be given adequate time to comply with the instruction to leave. And if they refuse, a limited amount of force can be used to eject them, but restraining them for a trespass is really not an option. A trespass is a misdemeanor; there is no way that restraining someone for a misdemeanor offense is legal for a non-LEO.
There are really two separate questions:
1) Do they have the right to ask the reporter to leave?
1a) Do they have the right to use force to do so?
2) Do they have the right to restrain the reporter?
It is possible that they have the right to ask the reporter to leave— I mean, they can ask, of course, but to insist on it.
It is also possible they have the right to use a very limited amount of force to do so.
It is nearly impossible that they have the right to restrain the reporter for a misdemeanor.
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darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:09:33pm |
re: #205 laZardo
The Sith
4chan
Lions Club
Rotary
Your Local Homeowners Association
4-H
FFA (future farmers of America)
| 214 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:10:11pm |
re: #207 negativ
Imagine the howling if the situation was exactly the same except that these were Fox News reporters covering an Obama event.
That’s why I’m a little cautious over this story. I think his security is a little overzealous and Poorly trained. His story keeps changing. Now he goes on Fox and says that the reporter was trying to follow him into the bathroom (see #200). I think if that were true we would have heard about it by now.
| 215 |
laZardo Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:10:23pm |
re: #211 negativ
Don’t forget KAOS and, obviously, ACORN.
Would you believe that The Nude Bomb constitutes my only knowledge of the Get Smart series?
| 216 |
laZardo Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:11:01pm |
re: #213 darthstar
4-H
FFA (future farmers of America)
The Boy Scouts
The Girl Scouts
Your Local Highschool Animé Club
| 217 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:11:12pm |
re: #214 Killgore Trout
I have followed lots of people into the bathroom.
It generally happens when I need to take a leak, and someone goes in ahead of me.
| 218 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:11:58pm |
re: #215 laZardo
Would you believe that The Nude Bomb constitutes my only knowledge of the Get Smart series?
[Video]
So you missed the whole series? Missed it by that much?
| 219 |
Dancing along the light of day Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:12:02pm |
re: #217 Obdicut
I have followed lots of people into the bathroom.
It generally happens when I need to take a leak, and someone goes in ahead of me.
LOL!
| 221 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:12:45pm |
re: #207 negativ
Imagine the howling if the situation was exactly the same except that these were Fox News reporters covering an Obama event.
I’m sure you remember the howling over this incident.
| 222 |
jaunte Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:13:04pm |
re: #217 Obdicut
Maybe that whole scenario just makes Joe MIller too uncomfortable.
| 223 |
brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:14:26pm |
Private security is waaaay over the line. They love to film on my block cause of all the brownstones… I don’t know how many times I have had some goon try to tell me I can’t walk down my street & enter my home. Usually they back off when I press the issue.
| 224 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:14:39pm |
Miller and Fulton didn’t get their stories straight:
Despite Fulton telling Alaska Dispatch and various other media outlets that he knew he was dealing with a reporter, the Joe Miller campaign promptly put out a press release saying, “It is also important to note that the security personnel did not know that the individual they detained was a blogger who reporting on the campaign [sic].”
| 225 |
jaunte Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:15:14pm |
Looks like Jim Whitaker is the next followup interview.
The Alaska media had been asking Miller difficult questions about his personal life, including the possibility that he quit his job as an attorney for the Fairbanks North Star Borough under threat that he was about to be fired. Jim Whitaker, former borough mayor, has said that was the case. Spokespeople for Miller have denied it. [Link: alaskadispatch.com…]
| 226 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:15:33pm |
re: #212 Obdicut
Well, no, not really. The event is very clearly not private, if no names are taken at the door. It’s open to the public. It’s public.
I’m not sure how clear that is made. Right now I’m only going on what is seen in the video.
| 227 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:16:44pm |
re: #226 Slumbering Behemoth
Oh. Well, that was asserted as a fact and I didn’t figure it would have been if this was an ‘invitation-only’ event. They also noted that the reporters didn’t need to get credentials to attend.
| 228 |
sagehen Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:16:59pm |
re: #214 Killgore Trout
That’s why I’m a little cautious over this story. I think his security is a little overzealous and Poorly trained. His story keeps changing. Now he goes on Fox and says that the reporter was trying to follow him into the bathroom (see #200). I think if that were true we would have heard about it by now.
How many stalls does a school bathroom have? How many people at a time are expected to be able to use it? I don’t think he’s going to get a lot of mileage out of the “astonishing coincidence” that a candidate and a reporter would both think it’s a good idea to take a leak before the event starts…
| 229 |
jaunte Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:17:33pm |
A related editorial from the Texas Observer:
Conservative candidates like to argue that journalists are biased, part of a vast left-wing conspiracy to overthrow American values. They argue that thanks to the Internet and social media, voters have unfettered access to the marketplace of ideas. The news industry, as purveyors of information, has become passé.On the contrary, citizens need trained reporters more than ever to sort fact from propaganda and truth from spin. They need well-informed journalists to ask the hard questions on their behalf.
The founders of this country, whom conservatives enjoy quoting so much, knew that an aggressive, diverse, skeptical and at times irreverent media is the best defense against demagoguery. That is why freedom of the press comes before the freedom to bear arms, and that is why journalists are the only non-governmental profession with rights spelled out in the Constitution.[Link: www.texasobserver.org…]
| 230 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:18:48pm |
re: #227 Obdicut
Oh. Well, that was asserted as a fact and I didn’t figure it would have been if this was an ‘invitation-only’ event.
Asserted as fact by the “security team” and one police officer, but not by me as I don’t have all the details on this. Just sayin’ for the record.
| 231 |
TedStriker Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:20:24pm |
re: #224 Obdicut
Miller and Fulton didn’t get their stories straight:
I call BS on Miller and his hired thugs saying they didn’t know Hopfinger was a journalist…any journalist I’ve ever seen (aside from on-screen talent when they’re filming out in the field) usually is wearing some from of ID on their person when they’re on the job. They knew exactly who Hopfinger was and what he was they’re for…and I notice they’re trying to minimize his presence (and this incident) by calling Hopfinger “a blogger who reporting on the campaign”.
| 232 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:22:02pm |
Crazy Pam is wound up again….
The Intellectual Cowardice of Jeffrey Goldberg
I never expressed support for Eugene Terre’blanche. Ever. They have nothing on me. They must create a nazi narrative out of whole cloth, in this they mimic the nazis. Same MO, same SOP.
I challenge Jeffrey Goldberg to point to one place where I ever said I supported Terre’blanche. And yet that’s his headline. Liar.
….
And as far as the EDL goes, the English Defence League came onto the scene after the grotesque attack on returning British soldiers by Muslims in Luton. (More here.) Anyone with an ounce of decency would stand with the EDL. They are accused of having neo-Nazis and racists in their ranks, but actually they expel anyone who manifests such tendencies; they have Hindus and Sikhs among their ranks, and even boast a Jewish Division.
| 233 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:23:01pm |
| 234 |
brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:23:23pm |
| 235 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:24:48pm |
One of the main problems is that the security people never identified themselves to Hoflinger, apparently. In order to enforce any sort of order to leave property, you need to actually be an authority, and cite yourself as such.
All this is coming from my time as a bouncer and a doorman, by the way. If the person you’re asking to leave is not drunk, when you’re a bouncer, and not violent, there is very, very, very little you’re allowed to do to get them to leave. You really do just have to call the cops on them. You certainly can’t cuff them to a chair. If they get at all physical with you, you can respond with equal or lesser force; you are not allowed to escalate unless they have committed a felony crime.
Now, if that’s true for a clearly-identified bouncer, an employee of an actual business, at a very obviously private bar, I really doubt that it’s legal for a security guard who failed to identify himself has the right to detain a reporter at a public event.
| 236 |
jaunte Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:25:06pm |
re: #232 Killgore Trout
“They have nothing on me.”
Pam’s channeling Little Caesar.
| 237 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:25:17pm |
re: #231 talon_262
Well, the thugs fucked up and said that they did know that he was a reporter; they forgot to collude with Miller first.
| 238 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:25:27pm |
re: #234 brookly red
I have tons of green tomatoes this year. Almost nothing ripened. I have about a week to use them all before they start to rot.
| 239 |
brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:26:11pm |
re: #238 Killgore Trout
I have tons of green tomatoes this year. Almost nothing ripened. I have about a week to use them all before they start to rot.
salsa…
| 240 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:27:58pm |
In keeping with the admiration for East Germany.
| 241 |
TedStriker Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:27:58pm |
re: #231 talon_262
ARRRGGHHH spelling fail…meant “They knew exactly who Hopfinger was and what he was there for[…]”
| 242 |
darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:28:30pm |
re: #238 Killgore Trout
I have tons of green tomatoes this year. Almost nothing ripened. I have about a week to use them all before they start to rot.
Slice ‘em
bread ‘em
fry ‘em
| 243 |
brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:29:12pm |
| 244 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:29:15pm |
re: #235 Obdicut
More speculation on my part here…
If they were in the wrong, couldn’t Hopfinger press charges for unlawful arrest/detention? Kidnapping?
| 245 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:29:17pm |
re: #235 Obdicut
Er, in case I mislead anyone, law does vary by state, and in many, but not most, states, bouncers are allowed to take you by the arm or put a hand on your shoulder, whatever minimal force they can apply, to move you out of the bar. Depending on the state, it may or may not be illegal for them to do so— after they’ve clearly identified themselves and informed you that you have to leave and given you time to comply.
They cannot bounce you off a wall and then cuff you to a chair.
| 246 |
darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:29:26pm |
re: #241 talon_262
ARRRGGHHH spelling fail…meant “They knew exactly who Hopfinger was and what he was there for[…]”
Homonyms are trying to ruin conventional marriage.
| 247 |
Dancing along the light of day Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:29:31pm |
| 248 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:29:53pm |
Man. The GOP’s loony candidates are out of control tonight. There are several debates going on, and in every one of them the GOP candidate is completely insane, advocating policies that are so far out on the fringe they sound like raving street corner preachers.
This country is going to be in big trouble if these ranting demagogues get elected. Extreme anti-abortion positions, calls for revoking several Constitutional amendments, calls for eliminating public education and Medicare and Social Security…
I think it may finally be getting weird enough for me.
| 250 |
laZardo Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:31:54pm |
re: #248 Charles
Man. The GOP’s loony candidates are out of control tonight. There are several debates going on, and in every one of them the GOP candidate is completely insane, advocating policies that are so far out on the fringe they sound like raving street corner preachers.
This country is going to be in big trouble if these ranting demagogues get elected. Extreme anti-abortion positions, calls for revoking several Constitutional amendments, calls for eliminating public education and Medicare and Social Security…
I think it may finally be getting weird enough for me.
American Conservatism at its finest, Charles. Come to think about it, shouldn’t expect any less from them.
| 251 |
darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:31:55pm |
Cool…whatthefuckshouldImakefordinner has an app for the iPhone and Android…will download tomorrow when I get back within cell reception.
| 252 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:33:28pm |
West Virginia GOP loon John Raese just said: “The myth, I say, myth, that there is global warming.”
| 253 |
Dancing along the light of day Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:34:03pm |
re: #248 Charles
Work calls, the loonies will still be there, when my work is done.
PLEASE do not let them make you head explode.
OK?
| 254 |
TedStriker Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:34:09pm |
re: #252 Charles
West Virginia GOP loon John Raese just said: “The myth, I say, myth, that there is global warming.”
What, is he channeling Foghorn Leghorn?
| 255 |
brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:34:59pm |
re: #251 darthstar
Cool…whatthefuckshouldImakefordinner has an app for the iPhone and Android…will download tomorrow when I get back within cell reception.
well we are working on a new app for these times… ohgodwerecanifindsomefood.com
| 256 |
TedStriker Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:35:00pm |
| 257 |
engineer cat Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:35:06pm |
re: #252 Charles
West Virginia GOP loon John Raese just said: “The myth, I say, myth, that there is global warming.”
did he say it in a Foghorn Leghorn voice?
| 258 |
engineer cat Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:35:51pm |
re: #254 talon_262
What, is he channeling Foghorn Leghorn?
oh, durn you to heck for beating me to the joke!
| 260 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:36:02pm |
re: #254 talon_262
What, is he channeling Foghorn Leghorn?
I’m sure there’s a cock joke in there somewhere!
| 261 |
darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:36:10pm |
re: #255 brookly red
well we are working on a new app for these times… ohgodwerecanifindsomefood.com
eatyourshoeRandPaulvoter.com
| 262 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:36:21pm |
re: #248 Charles
Thankfully, no stations are carrying any of that on my set.
/no cable
| 263 |
darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:36:31pm |
| 264 |
brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:36:38pm |
re: #260 sattv4u2
I’m sure there’s a cock joke in there somewhere!
I say you need to show some respect!
| 265 |
webevintage Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:36:40pm |
re: #251 darthstar
Cool…whatthefuckshouldImakefordinner has an app for the iPhone and Android…will download tomorrow when I get back within cell reception.
I am in love….
| 266 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:36:46pm |
West Virginia Constitutional Party loon Jeff Becker is a full-out 9/11 Truther.
| 267 |
jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:36:57pm |
re: #248 Charles
Man. The GOP’s loony candidates are out of control tonight. There are several debates going on, and in every one of them the GOP candidate is completely insane, advocating policies that are so far out on the fringe they sound like raving street corner preachers.
This country is going to be in big trouble if these ranting demagogues get elected. Extreme anti-abortion positions, calls for revoking several Constitutional amendments, calls for eliminating public education and Medicare and Social Security…
I think it may finally be getting weird enough for me.
When the things get weird, the weird turn pro….
Isn’t that how it goes?
| 268 |
brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:38:41pm |
| 269 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:38:50pm |
re: #248 Charles
Man. The GOP’s loony candidates are out of control tonight. There are several debates going on, and in every one of them the GOP candidate is completely insane, advocating policies that are so far out on the fringe they sound like raving street corner preachers.
This country is going to be in big trouble if these ranting demagogues get elected. Extreme anti-abortion positions, calls for revoking several Constitutional amendments, calls for eliminating public education and Medicare and Social Security…
I think it may finally be getting weird enough for me.
I’m not that worried. I don’t think they’re actually going to do anything besides create gridlock (which is bad enough I suppose).
| 270 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:39:35pm |
re: #254 talon_262
What, is he channeling Foghorn Leghorn?
No, he’s running for office in a coal state. No candidate in WV could take a strong position on doing something about AGW. The people who live in the coal mining areas define “global warming” as “close down our jobs and leave us with nothing”.
| 271 |
Shiplord Kirel Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:40:12pm |
re: #246 darthstar
Homonyms are trying to ruin conventional marriage.
Just remember: Hate the synonym, but not the sinner.
| 272 |
Jadespring Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:40:13pm |
re: #238 Killgore Trout
I have tons of green tomatoes this year. Almost nothing ripened. I have about a week to use them all before they start to rot.
Can you bring them in and let them ripen? I just brought in about 30 pounds of greenies. They’re in my basement. Usually I get tomatoes ripening right into December.
| 273 |
laZardo Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:41:05pm |
re: #254 talon_262
He clearly has no respect for the average chickenhawk.
| 274 |
jaunte Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:41:05pm |
re: #266 Charles
West Virginia Constitutional Party loon Jeff Becker is a full-out 9/11 Truther.
“Calling 9/11 a crime of the century, Johnson said it has never been investigated.”
[Link: wvgazette.com…]
| 275 |
darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:41:07pm |
| 276 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:41:17pm |
re: #272 Jadespring
Can you bring them in and let them ripen? I just brought in about 30 pounds of greenies. They’re in my basement. Usually I get tomatoes ripening right into December.
I hadn’t thought of that. I suppose it’s possible.
| 277 |
Dancing along the light of day Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:41:18pm |
re: #266 Charles
West Virginia Constitutional Party loon Jeff Becker is a full-out 9/11 Truther.
DO NOT get me started on West Virginia, says the California Lady. DO NOT.
I have mineral rights, there. So yes, I do know what I’m ranting about. And, I can do no less, than rant, about WVA.
| 278 |
TedStriker Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:41:19pm |
re: #270 Dark_Falcon
No, he’s running for office in a coal state. No candidate in WV could take a strong position on doing something about AGW. The people who live in the coal mining areas define “global warming” as “close down our jobs and leave us with nothing”.
I meant his delivery, the “The myth, I say, myth[…]” bit, just like Foghorn Leghorn.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:41:28pm |
re: #270 Dark_Falcon
No, he’s running for office in a coal state. No candidate in WV could take a strong position on doing something about AGW. The people who live in the coal mining areas define “global warming” as “close down our jobs and leave us with nothing”.
Doesn’t mean he can’t express his politically necessary denileism in a more articulate manner…
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:42:11pm |
re: #278 talon_262
I meant his delivery, the “The myth, I say, myth[…]” bit, just like Foghorn Leghorn.
Ah, I see.
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brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:42:12pm |
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darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:43:07pm |
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brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:43:44pm |
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Jadespring Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:43:56pm |
re: #276 Killgore Trout
I hadn’t thought of that. I suppose it’s possible.
I just put them on something flat on a few sheets of paper and try to get them so they’re not touching other. Then I place some apples amongst them and cover everything with a few sheet of paper just set on top. Some will rot so you just have to check regularly and remove the ones that do.
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:44:37pm |
re: #248 Charles
Man. The GOP’s loony candidates are out of control tonight. There are several debates going on, and in every one of them the GOP candidate is completely insane, advocating policies that are so far out on the fringe they sound like raving street corner preachers.
This country is going to be in big trouble if these ranting demagogues get elected. Extreme anti-abortion positions, calls for revoking several Constitutional amendments, calls for eliminating public education and Medicare and Social Security…
I think it may finally be getting weird enough for me.
I have a very bad feeling about this. The crazies are sure to take credit for any and all Republican gains, even if these are disastrously slight for a midterm with a tanked economy. Their constituency will buy it, too, just as they bought the notion that McCain lost because he was not crazy enough. With a slate of rational candidates, of course, the Republicans could sweep the Dems away by historic margins, but the nuts will have their media machine to conceal and deny this.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:45:36pm |
re: #279 jamesfirecat
Doesn’t mean he can’t express his politically necessary denileism in a more articulate manner…
True. He really could’ve just passed over the issue after declaring he won’t vote for cap and trade. But, nope, he went past that into DenialLand.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:46:12pm |
re: #288 Shiplord Kirel
I have a very bad feeling about this. The crazies are sure to take credit for any and all Republican gains, even if these are disastrously slight for a midterm with a tanked economy. Their constituency will buy it, too, just as they bought the notion that McCain lost because he was not crazy enough. With a slate of rational candidates, of course, the Republicans could sweep the Dems away by historic margins, but the nuts will have their media machine to conceal and deny this.
With a slate of rational republican candidates nobody would vote for them.
Its a painful fact, but yesteryear’s rational Republican is today’s blue dog democrat.
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Political Atheist Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:46:36pm |
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tradewind Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:47:04pm |
re: #260 sattv4u2
This wasn’t even a joke….. but it was a massive embarrassment ‘til it was pulled:
Titans Have Hands Full With Jaguars’ Cox
Image: TedWilliamsHead-Tennessee-Titans-Jaguars3.jpg
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darthstar Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:47:15pm |
oops…
Due to the discovery of our reader older_wiser we can reveal that the business license for “Dropzone Security Services”, 3701 SPENARD ROAD, ANCHORAGE AK 99503, owned by William F. Fulton expired on 31/12/2009 and was NOT renewed!The company belonging Mr. Fulton, who was pictured in the above clips, is currently not licensed for providing security services. Joe Miller therefore employed the services of a “rogue” security company, so to speak. ;-)
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brookly red Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:47:22pm |
re: #290 jamesfirecat
With a slate of rational republican candidates nobody would vote for them.
Its a painful fact, but yesteryear’s rational Republican is today’s blue dog democrat.
you make a good point.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:48:00pm |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:49:06pm |
re: #292 tradewind
This wasn’t even a joke… but it was a massive embarrassment ‘til it was pulled:
Titans Have Hands Full With Jaguars’ Cox
Image: TedWilliamsHead-Tennessee-Titans-Jaguars3.jpg
Gives “having a tiger by the tail” a whole new look!!
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tradewind Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:51:07pm |
re: #294 brookly red
The problem with that analogy is that according to all predictions, yesterday’s ( as in 2008) Obama-voting Democrat is just as likely to be November ‘10’s Republican wave-voter.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:52:10pm |
re: #297 tradewind
The problem with that analogy is that according to all predictions, yesterday’s ( as in 2008) Obama-voting Democrat is just as likely to be November ‘10’s Republican wave-voter.
All that back and forth
No wonder people are sea sick!
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:52:24pm |
re: #290 jamesfirecat
With a slate of rational republican candidates nobody would vote for them.
Its a painful fact, but yesteryear’s rational Republican is today’s blue dog democrat.
If the nuts weren’t running the GOP, the blue dogs would be Republicans.
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tradewind Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:52:38pm |
re: #296 sattv4u2
Some headline editor is being razzed for weeks…… that is, if he or she is still employed.
Bet’cha it was ’ on purpose ‘.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:53:12pm |
re: #297 tradewind
The problem with that analogy is that according to all predictions, yesterday’s ( as in 2008) Obama-voting Democrat is just as likely to be November ‘10’s Republican wave-voter.
I was talking about the people who run for office rather than the ones who elect them personally.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:53:19pm |
re: #301 tradewind
Some headline editor is being razzed for weeks… that is, if he or she is still employed.
Bet’cha it was ’ on purpose ’.
Oh, no doubt!
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tradewind Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:53:27pm |
re: #298 sattv4u2
I know I’m see- sick. Sick of seeing election ads.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:54:11pm |
re: #297 tradewind
The problem with that analogy is that according to all predictions, yesterday’s ( as in 2008) Obama-voting Democrat is just as likely to be November ‘10’s Republican wave-voter.
True that. Good to see you, Trade.
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Political Atheist Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:54:20pm |
re: #212 Obdicut
I think you nailed it.
They might have gone for detention as the lesser physical act as compared to physically removing him. Maybe.
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tradewind Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:54:54pm |
re: #302 jamesfirecat
That works.
Of course, JFK’d be a RINO today.
That rising tide raising all boats thing…..
gotta love it.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:55:15pm |
re: #304 tradewind
I know I’m see- sick. Sick of seeing election ads.
I go into each season saying that policies aside, I would seriously vote for the candidate that took the high road,, i.e.,, not “attack” ads
I’m still waiting!
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tradewind Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:55:47pm |
re: #305 Dark_Falcon
Not a lot of time for interwebz lately, but will check in when I can.
Hope all are well.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:56:08pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:57:11pm |
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Decatur Deb Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:57:16pm |
re: #299 Shiplord Kirel
If the nuts weren’t running the GOP, the blue dogs would be Republicans.
Mine sure as hell would. His opposition is a Mama Grizzly.
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tradewind Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:57:33pm |
re: #310 sattv4u2
The sad truth is that the most effective ads in terms of getting out the vote are indeed the negatives.
We won’t see the end of them.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:58:14pm |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 18, 2010 5:58:52pm |
re: #313 tradewind
The sad truth is that the most effective ads in terms of getting out the vote are indeed the negatives.
We won’t see the end of them.
I know
But a guy can dream, can’t he !?!?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:00:13pm |
re: #292 tradewind
This wasn’t even a joke… but it was a massive embarrassment ‘til it was pulled:
10,000 years ago, I worked for Office Depot. Our district manager for a time was a guy named Dixon Cox. Every time he came through, it was like the “Biggus Dickus / Incontinentia Buttocks” scene from Life of Brian.
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TedStriker Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:00:37pm |
re: #292 tradewind
This wasn’t even a joke… but it was a massive embarrassment ‘til it was pulled:
Titans Have Hands Full With Jaguars’ Cox
Image: TedWilliamsHead-Tennessee-Titans-Jaguars3.jpg
Good job, Tennessean…good for a dirty little laugh.
/my local fish wrapper
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tradewind Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:01:03pm |
re: #315 sattv4u2
Yep.
I’ll be glad when this one’s over. although I have a bad feeling that the ‘12 presidential contest is going to stretch out in earnest for two years. Ewwww.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:01:09pm |
re: #316 negativ
10,000 years ago, I worked for Office Depot. Our district manager for a time was a guy named Dixon Cox. Every time he came through, it was like the “Biggus Dickus / Incontinentia Buttocks” scene from Life of Brian.
Bull
The earth’s only 6,000 years old!
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tradewind Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:02:26pm |
re: #317 talon_262
Even makes my C/A **look a little more respectable.
(Which is a real stretch, btw).
**an insult to fish-wraps everywhere.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:03:10pm |
re: #314 sattv4u2
That guy was on hold for his Internet Service Provider, huh!
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:03:19pm |
re: #318 tradewind
Yep.
I’ll be glad when this one’s over. although I have a bad feeling that the ‘12 presidential contest is going to stretch out in earnest for two years. Ewww.
I know
It (campaigning) gets earlier and earlier each year
Remember when we were kids and you wouldn’t see ANY Christmas ads/ sales/ decorations till after Thanksgiving?
Here we are two weeks before Haloween and I’m seeing Christmas stuff !!
gGGAAHHH
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:04:04pm |
re: #314 sattv4u2
My two favorite shirts, given to me by my grandma and mom, respectively:
Skeleton coolly relaxing against a lamp post with the caption “Waiting for the perfect woman”.
And one that simply says “Not all men are stupid. Some are bachelors.”
/that last one gets a lot of laughs
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:05:18pm |
re: #323 Slumbering Behemoth
My two favorite shirts, given to me by my grandma and mom, respectively:
Skeleton coolly relaxing against a lamp post with the caption “Waiting for the perfect woman”.
And one that simply says “Not all men are stupid. Some are bachelors.”
/that last one gets a lot of laughs
Bet you never wore that trying to meet women!!
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tradewind Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:06:00pm |
re: #322 sattv4u2
There aren’t enough updings.
See ya’ll laytuh.
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TedStriker Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:07:18pm |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:07:47pm |
re: #325 tradewind
There aren’t enough updings.
See ya’ll laytuh.
Don’t stay away long
You’re missed
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TedStriker Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:08:05pm |
re: #320 tradewind
Even makes my C/A **look a little more respectable.
(Which is a real stretch, btw).
**an insult to fish-wraps everywhere.
C/A?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:08:12pm |
re: #324 sattv4u2
You’d be surprised (I was!) to know that it’s mostly women who find that shirt hilarious. Their husbands, not so much. :)
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TedStriker Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:12:48pm |
xkcd: Appropriate Term
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:12:57pm |
re: #322 sattv4u2
I know
It (campaigning) gets earlier and earlier each year
Remember when we were kids and you wouldn’t see ANY Christmas ads/ sales/ decorations till after Thanksgiving?
Here we are two weeks before Haloween and I’m seeing Christmas stuff !!
gGGAAHHH
It drives me up the wall.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:13:56pm |
re: #332 Dark_Falcon
It drives me up the wall.
I tried several years ago to not buy from stores that had their Christmas stuff up in early November
Now, it’s unavoidable
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:17:19pm |
re: #333 sattv4u2
I’m calling Bill O’Reilly and letting him know that he has a new enemy in you in the centuries old War on ChristmasTM!!11ty!
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TedStriker Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:17:42pm |
Charles (and any other code jockeys) might appreciate this xkcd strip:
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:21:27pm |
re: #335 Slumbering Behemoth
I’m calling Bill O’Reilly and letting him know that he has a new enemy in you in the centuries old War on ChristmasTM!!11ty!
heheheh
Bahh Hamburg!
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 18, 2010 6:22:21pm |
re: #336 talon_262
Charles (and any other code jockeys) might appreciate this xkcd strip:
You would think they could afford an artist
Oh ,, and colored pens!!
//
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CSKapper Mon, Oct 18, 2010 8:46:28pm |
Holy Crap. That’s pretty scary. I hope that reporter sues their asses off and presses assault charges against them.
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palomino Mon, Oct 18, 2010 9:05:43pm |
Looks like the Chicago way isn’t much different from the Alaska way.
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ClaudeMonet Tue, Oct 19, 2010 6:32:30pm |
re: #68 elizajane
She continues to caucus with the Republicans. If I’m not mistaken, they let her keep her committees last month even though she was running against their official candidate. Even aside from the “protect your own” feeling in the Senate, there must have been a good few people there who figured she’d be able to pull off a write-in against Miller. So her bridges aren’t burned in the Senate, not at all.
IIRC she never said anything negative about her fellow Republicans in the Senate. Her “beef” is with the Tea Party folks and with her family’s enemy Palin. I’d love to see her win and team up with the rest of the Alaska delegation in Congress to make sure Wasilla gets absolutely no federally-funded projects—ever.
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