Now the website for credit card giant Visa is under attack by the Anonymous group, in “revenge” for Visa cutting off service to Wikileaks.
UPDATE at 12/8/10 3:00:42 pm:
Sarah Palin’s website and personal credit card accounts are also under attack, by a group called “Operation Payback.”
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Charles Johnson Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:45:42pm |
These script kiddies are really fucking with the wrong people. This could get really ugly for them.
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jordash1212 Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:46:04pm |
And here I thought the whole world was acting against Wikileaks.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:47:22pm |
I would assume that Visa has a very, very good legal team.
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jordash1212 Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:47:59pm |
re: #4 EmmmieG
I would assume they have a good network security team, too.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:48:35pm |
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:48:39pm |
It used to be you needed an army and or navy to do another nation harm. Nowadays, you need a guy with a chem/bio recipe, wooden spoon and a bath tub and all hell breaks loose.
The same is true with computers. A bored kid taking a break from a video game, can wreak havoc.
Matthew Broderick and War Games, only for real.
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freetoken Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:51:05pm |
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Amory Blaine Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:51:38pm |
It used to be you had to roll over when corporate America decided what was right for you.
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:53:16pm |
re: #8 freetoken
"The World is a business..."
Great line.
"A vast ecumenical holding company for which all men work..."
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:54:00pm |
If I send them my info...could they accidentally LOOSE my account??
....It would really help me out with Christmas...........
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:54:40pm |
re: #1 Charles
I was just trying to figure out Barret Brown's latest page.....
Anonymous posts new video implying further efforts in defense of Wikileaks; Visa.com down
A moment ago I asked Housh what this meant in terms of what we can expect from his corner of the Anonymous movement, as well as from the other makeshift "cells".Keep letting targets present themselves, and then attack, is what it seems to be right now.
Is Barret affiliated, friendly or a supporter of Anonymous?
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:54:43pm |
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Charles Johnson Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:54:52pm |
Thing is, the anonymous folks may think they're really anonymous and all proxied up and everything, but if a company like Visa has virtually unlimited money to spend on it (which they do), they will be identified.
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jordash1212 Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:55:21pm |
re: #11 reloadingisnotahobby
DDoS attack is exactly what the acronym stands for: distributed denial of service. It only prevents access to the network address and does not enable the attackers to access the servers data.
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SpaceJesus Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:57:07pm |
Remember /b/tards, they don't let you have pokemon cards in juvenile detention
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:57:22pm |
Sarah Palin's website attacked by WikiLeaks supporters
SARAH Palin's political action committee website and personal credit card information were the subject of cyber attacks by WikiLeaks supporters.“No wonder others are keeping silent about Assange's antics,” , the former Alska Governor told ABC News in an email. “This is what happens when you exercise the First Amendment and speak against his sick, un-American espionage efforts.”
Ms Palin's fundraising website, SarahPAC.com, was targeted by the cyber attackers as well as her and husband Todd's credit card information, she said.
Ms Palin had previously attacked WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange on her Facebook page as "an anti-American operative with blood on his hands".
The website appeared to be functioning normally now
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mr.fusion Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:57:36pm |
re: #14 Charles
Thing is, the anonymous folks may think they're really anonymous and all proxied up and everything, but if a company like Visa has virtually unlimited money to spend on it (which they do), they will be identified.
I can't wait for it to happen. Assange and his band of groupies are nothing more than thugs with an internet connection......
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SpaceJesus Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:57:38pm |
re: #4 EmmmieG
I would assume the feds have a pretty good one too
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Mark Winter Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:57:56pm |
re: #15 jordash1212
DDoS attack is exactly what the acronym stands for: distributed denial of service. It only prevents access to the network address and does not enable the attackers to access the servers data.
There is a certain irony to "denial of service"
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:58:56pm |
re: #12 Killgore Trout
I was just trying to figure out Barret Brown's latest page...
Anonymous posts new video implying further efforts in defense of Wikileaks; Visa.com down
Is Barret affiliated, friendly or a supporter of Anonymous?
The best way to learn is to ask him on his page. But BB has long been a strong WL supporter.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:00:42pm |
re: #14 Charles
And when they are busted their eyes will be the size of their Sphincter after these
criminals spend some time with Bubba...
They always seem to look the part of a little basement dweller...
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:03:02pm |
re: #21 Sergey Romanov
Is Barret affiliated, friendly or a supporter of Anonymous?
The best way to learn is to ask him on his page. But BB has long been a strong WL supporter.
Supporting Assange and wikileaks does not necessarily mean BB supports these attacks.
I'd be surprised if he did.
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:03:44pm |
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jordash1212 Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:04:05pm |
re: #14 Charles
I doubt they're just proxy-ing. I'm guessing they're using compromised computers to generate enough bandwidth to take down a high-profile site like Visa. Those botnets can be controlled very securely. The people who are doing this know the stakes. A few of them have been caught in the past, but this is a whole new level.
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Gus Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:04:45pm |
This just in.
The anon Twitter account has been suspended.
Hold up!
Sorry, the profile you are trying to view has been suspended.
Suspended account
To visit your own account, click here.
…or see what else is happening on Twitter.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:06:16pm |
re: #7 researchok
It used to be you needed an army and or navy to do another nation harm. Nowadays, you need a guy with a chem/bio recipe, wooden spoon and a bath tub and all hell breaks loose.
The same is true with computers. A bored kid taking a break from a video game, can wreak havoc.
Matthew Broderick and War Games, only for real.
This is actually good for us. Take an analogy: an immune system needs challenges to tune it. An animal will cope with a severe stress much better if it's been subjected to a tolerable level of the same stress earlier.
And we won't be defenseless against attacks in the same vein, by radically more capable enemies, if we learn how to not be utterly stupid and vulnerable as a result of this mild challenge from the mildly capable.
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Gus Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:06:17pm |
re: #29 Gus 802
Got it from the LA Times link and just tried it again and poof!
LA Times reference with link for "Operation Payback."
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]
So. Do this mean they're going to try and shut down Twitter?
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:06:49pm |
re: #29 Gus 802
Got it from the LA Times link and just tried it again and poof!
This like the chaos in Juarez or Nueva Laredo.
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Kronocide Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:07:32pm |
Cyber Anarchists trying to smash Cyber storefront windows and set Cyber cars on fire.
Cyber Punks. Too bad there's no Cyber Water Cannon or Cyber Brown Note gun.
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Gus Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:07:37pm |
re: #32 researchok
This like the chaos in Juarez or Nueva Laredo.
See! Now we're getting closer to Guatemala and the bananas.
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SpaceJesus Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:08:31pm |
re: #33 BigPapa
I could show you those things but I would be banned
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simoom Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:09:18pm |
WaPo Blogger as of 40min ago:
Sen. Collins tells reporters she's NOT voting tonight to move forward on #DADT if it comes up.
I guess it comes down to Murkowski and Brown then, though my read of Murkowski's statement was that she likely was waiting to see what Collins would do...
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Amory Blaine Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:11:10pm |
re: #30 lostlakehiker
This is actually good for us. Take an analogy: an immune system needs challenges to tune it. An animal will cope with a severe stress much better if it's been subjected to a tolerable level of the same stress earlier.
And we won't be defenseless against attacks in the same vein, by radically more capable enemies, if we learn how to not be utterly stupid and vulnerable as a result of this mild challenge from the mildly capable.
I agree. The limited, if any damage from this "attack" could help it stand attacks by thieves.
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Usually refered to as anyways Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:11:35pm |
re: #14 Charles
Thing is, the anonymous folks may think they're really anonymous and all proxied up and everything, but if a company like Visa has virtually unlimited money to spend on it (which they do), they will be identified.
I 'm not confident of that, google didn't prove a China link, Stuxnet is another one, you may need friendly countries support and you may not have it.
On another point I have trouble with it being 'script kiddies' yes years ago there were very many vulnerabilities in net applicationseasily exploitable with copy and paste scripts, today not so much and security is much better.
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Amory Blaine Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:11:51pm |
re: #37 Amory Blaine
By that I mean more resources for security.
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freetoken Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:12:33pm |
re: #36 simoom
On a related note:
US scientists create mice from two fathers
US scientists have used stem cell technology to create mice from two fathers, an advance that they say could help preserve endangered species and even help same-sex couples have their own genetic children one day.
When that day comes it'll be interesting to see how the "family" associations handle it.
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yasharki Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:12:51pm |
How does one deny service to a single account without compromising it's provider? BS...
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Usually refered to as anyways Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:13:15pm |
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Stanghazi Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:13:20pm |
re: #36 simoom
WaPo Blogger as of 40min ago:
I guess it comes down to Murkowski and Brown then, though my read of Murkowski's statement was that she likely was waiting to see what Collins would do...
ThePlumLineGS
Vote on DADT repeal postponed until tomorrow, aides say
GAH
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darthstar Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:13:54pm |
Sarah Palin? I think the Wikileakers were just looking for an excuse to fuck with her. I would have loved to have been at the Stop-n-slop when She and Todd were getting told they'd have to pay cash for their gas and the 64 ounce Mountain Dew they were buying.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:14:46pm |
re: #36 simoom
WaPo Blogger as of 40min ago:
I guess it comes down to Murkowski and Brown then, though my read of Murkowski's statement was that she likely was waiting to see what Collins would do...
Senators, a bunch of goddamned herd animals.
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Amory Blaine Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:15:48pm |
Attacking Sarah Palins website is petty. Better wastes of time than that.
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Mark Winter Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:16:05pm |
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darthstar Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:16:56pm |
re: #47 Obdicut
Why would they have to do that?
Hackers in London apparently affiliated with “Operation Payback” – a group of supporters of Julian Assange and Wikileaks – have tried to shut down SarahPac and have disrupted Sarah and Todd Palin’s personal credit card accounts.
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:17:05pm |
re: #14 Charles
Thing is, the anonymous folks may think they're really anonymous and all proxied up and everything, but if a company like Visa has virtually unlimited money to spend on it (which they do), they will be identified.
Looks like Bradley Manning will have plenty of company at Super-Max, provided the hackers are dumb enough to be in the states (which they might well be).
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Stanghazi Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:17:39pm |
re: #50 Mark Winter
I suspect foul play by the Anonymous Moose Association
No, it was the Caribou's United No Tv (killing) org.
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darthstar Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:18:12pm |
re: #49 Amory Blaine
Attacking Sarah Palins website is petty. Better wastes of time than that.
But she's the quintessential victim. She's the archetype for victim. Look victim up in the dictionary, and there's Sarah Palin complaining about being victimized by her inclusion in the definition.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:18:22pm |
Hey guys back from work, in honor of the hour or so long session of troll baiting I now produce yet another Lol-Troll Cat for LGF.
[Link: jamesfirecat.deviantart.com...]
She's one smart cat, trust me!
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:19:12pm |
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:20:14pm |
re: #52 darthstar
I'm not sure what 'disrupted' means.
Anyway, yeah, this could mean a hell of a lot of people going to jail. There's no reason for the government, Visa, Mastercard, Paypayl, everyone else not to go after them as hard as they can. They've already used their nuclear option, basically.
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Amory Blaine Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:20:49pm |
Mansour added that Wikileaks supporters claim to be “in favor of free speech yet they attack Sarah Palin for exercising her free speech.” She said SarahPAC.com was not harmed because Palin’s staff was able to move quickly to protect the site.
Not harmed.
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yasharki Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:23:46pm |
re: #52 darthstar
Hackers in London apparently affiliated with “Operation Payback” – a group of supporters of Julian Assange and Wikileaks – have tried to shut down SarahPac and have disrupted Sarah and Todd Palin’s personal credit card accounts.
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]
Hackers are excluded from affiliation with any groups by definition, and so are individual credit card accounts excluded from being "shut down" without their credit providers being powned.
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Amory Blaine Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:24:01pm |
I think alot of these so called "attacks" are the digital equivalent of standing up during a speech and screaming over the speaker. A douche move no doubt but of limited consequence.
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Usually refered to as anyways Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:24:19pm |
re: #52 darthstar
Hackers in London apparently affiliated with “Operation Payback” – a group of supporters of Julian Assange and Wikileaks – have tried to shut down SarahPac and have disrupted Sarah and Todd Palin’s personal credit card accounts.
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]
From the link:
A SarahPAC.com technical aide said that “on our server log this morning it showed the attacks coming from a browser identified as wikileaks.org. It has since spread to others entitled ‘anonymous.’”
FFS
Proof!1!1
Ill go with
1) It was probably Levi just fucking with her
2) It was a prank by Palin for more donations
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:26:12pm |
re: #63 ozbloke
From the link:
FFS
Proof!1!1
Ill go with
1) It was probably Levi just fucking with her
2) It was a prank by Palin for more donations
3) You're in denial, and the attack really did come from Anonymous.
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:27:29pm |
Is this what I'm to expect from wilileak's supporters?
This completely hypocritical bullshit?
Support wilileaks right to free speech or we'll shut you down?
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:27:37pm |
re: #55 darthstar
But she's the quintessential victim. She's the archetype for victim. Look victim up in the dictionary, and there's Sarah Palin complaining about being victimized by her inclusion in the definition.
Does that justify the attack?
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Amory Blaine Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:27:51pm |
re: #63 ozbloke
Also from the link:
"Mansour added that Wikileaks supporters claim to be “in favor of free speech yet they attack Sarah Palin for exercising her free speech.” She said SarahPAC.com was not harmed because Palin’s staff was able to move quickly to protect the site."
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yasharki Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:27:54pm |
More proof of BS story: "“on our server log this morning it showed the attacks coming from a browser identified as wikileaks.org. It has since spread to others entitled ‘anonymous.".
Server logs identify browsers as User Agents usually, while identifying source of a connection as a URL, making above statement absurd...
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simoom Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:27:55pm |
Sounds like Collins' current position is, a doubling the debate time offered by Reid (Reid's offer was twice as many amendments for the GOP as Dems [10 vs 5] and 2.8x the debate time for GOP amendments [14 vs 5]) and having the taxcuts pass first:
[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
I just don't see how they'll have the time to do all that if they're waiting on the taxcut deal, which I assume, after all the final negotiations and votes, is going end up right near the end of the lame-duck too.
Hopefully it's just posturing preceding some deal to start debate on the defense appropriations bill tomorrow. =/
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:28:02pm |
re: #65 Varek Raith
Is this what I'm to expect from wilileak's supporters?
This completely hypocritical bullshit?
Support wilileaks right to free speech or we'll shut you down?
Pretty much.
Actions say it all.
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Usually refered to as anyways Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:29:15pm |
re: #59 Obdicut
I'm not sure what 'disrupted' means.
Anyway, yeah, this could mean a hell of a lot of people going to jail. There's no reason for the government, Visa, Mastercard, Paypayl, everyone else not to go after them as hard as they can. They've already used their nuclear option, basically.
Obdi, I have nothing but respect for you, BUT.
I'm sorry but historically if you look at how much has been hacked and how many have gone to jail you could not make that leap.
1000 docs released out 200,000 I heard...
Just used their nuclear option? Im not sure thats a good conclusion.
I'm not intending to piss you off here either.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:29:55pm |
re: #67 Amory Blaine
Also from the link:
"Mansour added that Wikileaks supporters claim to be “in favor of free speech yet they attack Sarah Palin for exercising her free speech.” She said SarahPAC.com was not harmed because Palin’s staff was able to move quickly to protect the site."
So if someone takes a swing at my face...I duck it...It's not assault?
Nice bunch right there
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Stanghazi Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:30:25pm |
re: #69 simoom
Sounds like Collins' current position is, a doubling the debate time offered by Reid (Reid's offer was twice as many amendments for the GOP as Dems [10 vs 5] and 2.8x the debate time for GOP amendments [14 vs 5]) and having the taxcuts pass first:
[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
I just don't see how they'll have the time to do all that if they're waiting on the taxcut deal, which I assume, after all the final negotiations and votes, is going end up right near the end of the lame-duck too.
Hopefully it's just posturing preceding some deal to start debate on the defense appropriations bill tomorrow. =/
I've deleted my initial comment. FYI
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:30:52pm |
re: #71 ozbloke
1000 docs released out 200,000 I heard...
Just used their nuclear option? Im not sure thats a good conclusion.
"They" are anonymous. Using DDOS attacks on the credit card companies is the nuclear option; if they actually disrupted shit, they just cost those companies millions of dollars.
Anonymous are not the ones doing WIkileaks. They just like them.
I'm sorry but historically if you look at how much has been hacked and how many have gone to jail you could not make that leap.
Actually, I can. Typically, the point where hackers start going to jail is when their hacks start costing large amounts of money, rather than being annoyances or revealing information.
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Stanghazi Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:31:53pm |
re: #72 reloadingisnotahobby
So if someone takes a swing at my face...I duck it...It's not assault?
Nice bunch right there
They are so full of ego that they blew their chance at a lawsuit maybe.
Sorry, no sympathy for the grifter. She had to pipe in, her risk.
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Usually refered to as anyways Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:32:11pm |
re: #68 yasharki
More proof of BS story: "“on our server log this morning it showed the attacks coming from a browser identified as wikileaks.org. It has since spread to others entitled ‘anonymous.".
Server logs identify browsers as User Agents usually, while identifying source of a connection as a URL, making above statement absurd...
Thank you, it proves nothing, to anyone who understands web server logs.
It would mean zero in any court of law.
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yasharki Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:32:11pm |
re: #72 reloadingisnotahobby
So if someone takes a swing at my face...I duck it...It's not assault?
Nice bunch right there
There was no swing, it's another PR trick.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:32:25pm |
re: #69 simoom
Sounds like Collins' current position is, a doubling the debate time offered by Reid (Reid's offer was twice as many amendments for the GOP as Dems [10 vs 5] and 2.8x the debate time for GOP amendments [14 vs 5]) and having the taxcuts pass first:
[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
I just don't see how they'll have the time to do all that if they're waiting on the taxcut deal, which I assume, after all the final negotiations and votes, is going end up right near the end of the lame-duck too.
Hopefully it's just posturing preceding some deal to start debate on the defense appropriations bill tomorrow. =/
Hopefully Reid will be able to convince them to work an additional week so they can squeeze all, or at least most of it in...
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wee fury Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:34:45pm |
I used my Visa card today to purchase an item. Everything seemed to go through -- maybe the charge didn't get debited to my account because of the 'attack'.
/hoping
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:35:45pm |
re: #79 wee fury
Nah. Visa's transaction servers weren't attacked. Visa.com was. According to what I'm reading, only Mastercard has their actual transactions affected.
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Usually refered to as anyways Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:36:11pm |
re: #74 Obdicut
"They" are anonymous. Using DDOS attacks on the credit card companies is the nuclear option; if they actually disrupted shit, they just cost those companies millions of dollars.
Anonymous are not the ones doing WIkileaks. They just like them.
Actually, I can. Typically, the point where hackers start going to jail is when their hacks start costing large amounts of money, rather than being annoyances or revealing information.
I get your 'they', point taken, disrupted is the correct choice of term, its more accurate than shut down as others are using.
On your second point, I look forward to further discussion with you on this as time elapses. I haven't seen it with google, I didn't see it with Stuxnet. Just two recent examples.
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Amory Blaine Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:36:23pm |
re: #79 wee fury
I used my Visa card today to purchase an item. Everything seemed to go through -- maybe the charge didn't get debited to my account because of the 'attack'.
/hoping
lol I know. I had 3 payments today no problem. Wow what an "attack" in a "cyber war" by "hackers".
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:37:01pm |
re: #81 ozbloke
I get your 'they', point taken, disrupted is the correct choice of term, its more accurate than shut down as others are using.
On your second point, I look forward to further discussion with you on this as time elapses. I haven't seen it with google, I didn't see it with Stuxnet. Just two recent examples.
Re Stuxnet.
I guarantee that was an official government sponsored attack.
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Stanghazi Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:37:53pm |
THIS is the electronic age folks. Everyone needs to think out of the box, because anything is possible.
Too old school to question the reliance? I am so for the openness, but the reliance needs to be re-thought.
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Gus Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:38:18pm |
You know here you have Julian Assange in jail and under investigation for rape. The you have Bradley Manning who is in jail for espionage and other UCMJ charges but not only that he was once charges with assault while in the Army (outside of prison). Now we have this criminal activity.
You think there's a pattern here? Seems like everyone associated with this endeavor is a criminal of some sorts.
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yasharki Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:38:33pm |
re: #76 ozbloke
Thank you, it proves nothing, to anyone who understands web server logs.
It would mean zero in any court of law.
Wait a second, doesn't it prove everything to anyone who understands web server logs? And if I'm not mistaken professional opinions mean everything in the court of law, that's why state coroner's testimony makes all the difference in homicide trial, no (just an example)?
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:38:49pm |
re: #81 ozbloke
I'm sorry, what on earth does Stuxnet have to do with this?
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:40:01pm |
re: #85 Gus 802
Assange may or may not be guilty of the sex crimes charged against him. He is definitely guilty of being an enormous asshole. But it is actually possible that he hasn't committed a crime, just set other people up to commit a lot of crimes.
I bet that, in the end, he has committed some form of espionage crime.
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:40:32pm |
re: #85 Gus 802
You know here you have Julian Assange in jail and under investigation for rape. The you have Bradley Manning who is in jail for espionage and other UCMJ charges but not only that he was once charges with assault while in the Army (outside of prison). Now we have this criminal activity.
You think there's a pattern here? Seems like everyone associated with this endeavor is a criminal of some sorts.
All very low life endeavors, all very low life people.
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Usually refered to as anyways Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:40:42pm |
re: #83 Varek Raith
Re Stuxnet.
I guarantee that was an official government sponsored attack.
That may be, but 'proving' a source with the DOS is the issue we are discussing.
The source of the attack as I am sure you are aware may not be aware its being used.
There are so many possibilities, and so many links in chains, and you will need friendlies at every point along the way to moved backward through that chain.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:41:27pm |
Good luck, channers, enjoy your felony charges
Ah well, more entertainment
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:41:35pm |
re: #87 Obdicut
I'm sorry, what on earth does Stuxnet have to do with this?
Really.
Stuxnet is an amazing piece of malware with an amazingly precise target. A very complicated and technical target.
I doubt it was made by an independent hacker group.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:42:15pm |
re: #7 researchok
It used to be you needed an army and or navy to do another nation harm. Nowadays, you need a guy with a chem/bio recipe, wooden spoon and a bath tub and all hell breaks loose.
The same is true with computers. A bored kid taking a break from a video game, can wreak havoc.
Matthew Broderick and War Games, only for real.
It was always real :) Wardialing came from wargames, it was a real technique, the movie came out, so then everyone tried it!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:42:58pm |
Would it that the Anonymous took down... I don't know... a site of KGB [yes, I'm writing it this way for a reason], or a govt server of some totalitarian or authoritarian regime...
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:43:15pm |
re: #93 Varek Raith
Exactly. Stuxnet does not resemble any previous virus/malware attack. It is really, different. It was done by people who knew exactly what they were doing, and bears no resemblance to the mass-attack messiness of most malware.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:43:18pm |
...But...but Officer...I drove up ti the ATM...used my debit card for a forty dollar with drawl....Then the damn thing spits out 57,000$ in twenties at the door of my car.....What would YOU have done???
Do I get a reward for not pick ALL of up??
/
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Amory Blaine Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:43:52pm |
re: #95 Sergey Romanov
Would it that the Anonymous took down... I don't know... a site of KGB [yes, I'm writing it this way for a reason], or a govt server of some totalitarian or authoritarian regime...
Now that would be something.
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:44:17pm |
re: #94 WindUpBird
It was always real :) Wardialing came from wargames, it was a real technique, the movie came out, so then everyone tried it!
Why don't I find that comforting?
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Stanghazi Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:44:49pm |
Get to 100 quick people, because I just read that
Cash Cab is Fake
Disappointment. Much.
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:44:51pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:45:06pm |
re: #96 Obdicut
Exactly. Stuxnet does not resemble any previous virus/malware attack. It is really, different. It was done by people who knew exactly what they were doing, and bears no resemblance to the mass-attack messiness of most malware.
Stuxnet seems like in 30 years, it'll be one of those things that we look back on as being a turning point in history, it's like Web 2.0 for malicious code
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Gus Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:45:25pm |
re: #90 researchok
All very low life endeavors, all very low life people.
Yeah. Reminds me of the low life white trash that would typically associate themselves with the anti-war movements. Usually a bunch of punks looking out to break things in the streets (i.e. vandalism). That's the primary task of these moron hackers: vandalism. And of course you have the black hoodie anarchists who are all essentially a bunch of bullies.
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Amory Blaine Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:45:25pm |
re: #100 Stanley Sea
Get to 100 quick people, because I just read that
Cash Cab is FakeDisappointment. Much.
So much for reality tv.
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Usually refered to as anyways Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:45:30pm |
re: #86 yasharki
Wait a second, doesn't it prove everything to anyone who understands web server logs? And if I'm not mistaken professional opinions mean everything in the court of law, that's why state coroner's testimony makes all the difference in homicide trial, no (just an example)?
I don't know if we are on the same page here.
I am suggesting that the term 'wikileaks.org' in the server log is easily falsified, and is therefore not 'proof' of origin.
Therefore I now don't know whether you were agreeing or disagreeing with me.
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Stanghazi Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:46:23pm |
re: #104 Amory Blaine
So much for reality tv.
I fell for that one.
I've had a very disappointing day.
Onward!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:46:24pm |
re: #99 researchok
Why don't I find that comforting?
hah :D
I love that movie. Did you know Falken was supposed to be played by John lennon? The part was written specifically for him.
Also, the mathematician/genius who consulted on that film also consulted on Sneakers. Sneakers, also full of references to real hackers. Whistler is based on a real guy, I believe Mother is as well.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:46:36pm |
re: #100 Stanley Sea
Get to 100 quick people, because I just read that
Cash Cab is FakeDisappointment. Much.
Oh, great, next you are going to tell me that Bridezillas is faked, too.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:46:58pm |
re: #100 Stanley Sea
Get to 100 quick people, because I just read that
Cash Cab is FakeDisappointment. Much.
I figure every single game show ever has screened contestants, that's how they all work!
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SpaceJesus Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:47:36pm |
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:48:25pm |
re: #106 Stanley Sea
I fell for that one.
I've had a very disappointing day.
Onward!
Nooo! :( Sorry to hear that. What happened?
(PS a couple of weeks ago I finally read and updinged the story of your nic. So sweet!)
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:48:43pm |
re: #107 WindUpBird
hah :D
I love that movie. Did you know Falken was supposed to be played by John lennon? The part was written specifically for him.
Also, the mathematician/genius who consulted on that film also consulted on Sneakers. Sneakers, also full of references to real hackers. Whistler is based on a real guy, I believe Mother is as well.
Seriously? Lennon? I had no idea!
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jamesfirecat Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:48:56pm |
re: #98 Amory Blaine
Now that would be something.
They're already working on taking down the Co$ which I'll always be willing to give them some props for... not that this excuses their current actions.
That said Anon being what it is for all I know the project Chanology people had nothing to do with this disgrace...
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Gus Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:49:01pm |
re: #112 SpaceJesus
[Link: twitter.com...]
they're back up again
Yeah. I saw that the trash were getting two more up. Twitter of course is asleep at the wheel. Suspending one and then allowing the other to go back up.
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:49:08pm |
re: #102 WindUpBird
Stuxnet seems like in 30 years, it'll be one of those things that we look back on as being a turning point in history, it's like Web 2.0 for malicious code
I would love to see the code for Stuxnet.
/Geek
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yasharki Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:49:14pm |
re: #74 Obdicut
"They" are anonymous. Using DDOS attacks on the credit card companies is the nuclear option; if they actually disrupted shit, they just cost those companies millions of dollars.
Bringing down MC's publicly facing website accomplishes nothing, when was the last time anyone visited it before/after/during/whe-the-hell-ever using their credit card? In order to disrupt MC's business hackers would have to either gain access to their customer databases and deny service by invalidating customer credentials (useless since MC must have some kind of redundancy in place), or somehow reroute/invalidate MC's b2b traffic, most of which is actually outside "ze tubez".
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:50:19pm |
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SpaceJesus Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:51:14pm |
re: #117 Gus 802
meh, it's pretty much over. visa.com isn't even slow anymore
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:51:16pm |
re: #116 jamesfirecat
They're already working on taking down the Co$ which I'll always be willing to give them some props for... not that this excuses their current actions.
That said Anon being what it is for all I know the project Chanology people had nothing to do with this disgrace...
I'm not a RPG dude, but I think I wouldn't be off if I said they (4chan and anon) are chaotic neutral. I was impressed when they deanonymized some guy who was torturing cats.
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Stanghazi Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:51:20pm |
re: #114 iceweasel
Nooo! :( Sorry to hear that. What happened?
(PS a couple of weeks ago I finally read and updinged the story of your nic. So sweet!)
Oh, waited at a Dr's office for way too long to be told "come back"
And Urban Meyer Gator coach quit.
But the biggie is DADT. This could be an epic vote, but then postponed till tomorrow I guess.
I'm just complaining, I always see that my complaints are zip compared.
Glad you looked. Much to catch up on. email me when you have a break from your lovenest.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:51:26pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:53:06pm |
re: #122 Sergey Romanov
I'm not a RPG dude, but I think I wouldn't be off if I said they (4chan and anon) are chaotic neutral. I was impressed when they deanonymized some guy who was torturing cats.
The thing about 4chan, is channers aren't just kids. Lot of adults with real Jobs are channers, or hang out on image boards.
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yasharki Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:53:34pm |
re: #105 ozbloke
I don't know if we are on the same page here.
I am suggesting that the term 'wikileaks.org' in the server log is easily falsified, and is therefore not 'proof' of origin.
Therefore I now don't know whether you were agreeing or disagreeing with me.
The only place where "wikileaks.org" can be falsified in a server log is in "UserAgent" part since it's provided by a browser. Actual origin of a TCP connection is very hard to, but can be falsified, however it's numerical, ruling wikileaks.org out...
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:53:58pm |
re: #124 WindUpBird
re: #115 researchok
I just like his tunes :D Lennon's politics never interested me much except as the climate of the time
Yeah, he really was more iconic than substantive.
I recall my dad saying he's never talk to him till he got a haircut.
I told him Lennon would never talk to him.
I got sent to my room.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:54:36pm |
re: #122 Sergey Romanov
I'm not a RPG dude, but I think I wouldn't be off if I said they (4chan and anon) are chaotic neutral. I was impressed when they deanonymized some guy who was torturing cats.
I mean this story:
[Link: www.irishtimes.com...]
When an anonymous teenager uploaded videos of himself mistreating a small household cat to YouTube, the crime was in what he had done, not that he’d shown the world the evidence. But what happened next was a direct result of that upload. It’s either an illustration that justice can be reached even in the less salubrious parts of the net; or it shows that sometimes the net reaches further into the real world than most people are comfortable with. The video that “Timmy” uploaded to YouTube is hard to watch: it shows two teenagers taking a cat into a bathroom (or “laboratory” as the on-camera teenager, disguised in a balaclava, calls it) and recording its yowling as they torture it. Presumably the kids thought that the video would only be seen by a few friends – or that their anonymity would be preserved.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:54:55pm |
re: #100 Stanley Sea
Get to 100 quick people, because I just read that
Cash Cab is FakeDisappointment. Much.
That's such a disappointment!!
I was going to ding ya down.....
I know...don't shoot the messenger!
So I dinged ya
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Gus Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:55:14pm |
About a year ago Nick Griffin of the BNP was effed by a bunch of activists in the UK and most everyone at LGF (at the time) was like "but that's illegal!"
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Gus Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:55:49pm |
re: #130 Gus 802
About a year ago Nick Griffin of the BNP was
effedEGGED by a bunch of activists in the UK and most everyone at LGF (at the time) was like "but that's illegal!"
Grumble.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:56:18pm |
My favorite politics of any rock star is totally Jaz Coleman from Killing Joke. And by favorite I mean fascinating and weird
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brookly red Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:56:31pm |
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:56:36pm |
re: #130 Gus 802
About a year ago Nick Griffin of the BNP was effed by a bunch of activists in the UK and most everyone at LGF (at the time) was like "but that's illegal!"
We've progressed.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:57:03pm |
re: #127 researchok
Yeah, he really was more iconic than substantive.
I recall my dad saying he's never talk to him till he got a haircut.
I told him Lennon would never talk to him.
I got sent to my room.
ahahah
well, rock stars are good at being iconic, that's sort of their role :D
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jamesfirecat Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:57:05pm |
re: #122 Sergey Romanov
I'm not a RPG dude, but I think I wouldn't be off if I said they (4chan and anon) are chaotic neutral. I was impressed when they deanonymized some guy who was torturing cats.
F*** yes, Rusty lives a much better life, and they didn't just deamonize him either, they tracked down who he was, when he was wearing a baklava in the youtube video that he posted of himself doing it...
Here's the luzy version of the story...
[Link: encyclopediadramatica.com...]
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:57:27pm |
Judge Freezes Assets of Beck's Gold Advertiser
Glenn Beck might, for once, be right: the government is coming for your gold. But only if you happened to buy it from one of Beck's advertisers, the Superior Gold Group. At the request of prosecutors from LA County and Santa Monica city who have filed a civil suit against the company, Los Angeles County judge has ordered that Superior Gold be placed into receivership and all of its assets—bank accounts, real estate, and presumably gold stored for customers—frozen. On Monday, a court-appointed lawyer actually physically seized control of the company, presumably to prevent further wrongdoing. The lawsuit alleged that among other things, Superior had defrauded its customers by overcharging them, fraudulently inducing them to buy overpriced collectors' coins rather than the bullion that they wanted, and taking customers' money for coins they never produced.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:57:46pm |
This kinda sums it up:
Sites like 4chan and YouTube may be opportunities for the worst instincts of humanity to show themselves, but they’re also the place where the world gets to say exactly what they think of those instincts.Online, 4chan users struggle with its own reputation as both the fount of internet wonders, and the cesspit of the world.
They can be both good and evil.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:58:18pm |
re: #136 jamesfirecat
I totally cannot read anything that involves anyone injuring a cat, I will just get furious
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:58:53pm |
re: #135 WindUpBird
ahahah
well, rock stars are good at being iconic, that's sort of their role :D
I was a kid- clueless.
I thought the Bee Gees were musical Einsteins.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:59:31pm |
re: #138 Sergey Romanov
Yeah. It's not like they have a strong cohesive binding force. They're just people that hang out on the same board and in the same IRC channels. Of course there's going to be big divisions inside them.
Which is part of why they're going to be vulnerable.
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yasharki Wed, Dec 8, 2010 3:59:54pm |
re: #128 Sergey Romanov
We used to kick the shit out of kids who tortured animals when I was in school, unfortunately this option seems impossible in western society.
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:00:20pm |
re: #140 Gus 802
I thought the egging of Nick Griffin was pretty cool.
That used to mean something.
Not anymore.
It's a lot more vicious now (as you know).
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:00:25pm |
re: #133 brookly red
I liked it better the fist way...
Lefties bring their own brand of stupid but I'd could live without conspiracy theories and anti-science crap from wingnuts. When Charles first launched the spinoff links feature is was just loaded with untrue wingnut garbage.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:01:06pm |
re: #143 yasharki
We used to kick the shit out of kids who tortured animals when I was in school, unfortunately this option seems impossible in western society.
Disclaimer: my upding doesn't imply agreement with kicking shit out of kids.
;-)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:01:09pm |
re: #141 researchok
I was a kid- clueless.
I thought the Bee Gees were musical Einsteins.
Everyone used to make fun of me for being a Winger fan, they sorta stopped making fun when I dug up the VHS tape of Reb Beach being amazing on guitar. No matter what anyone says about hair metal, that guy is stunningly, shockingly awesome
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:02:36pm |
re: #100 Stanley Sea
Get to 100 quick people, because I just read that
Cash Cab is FakeDisappointment. Much.
I thought it was suspicious that they could always get their friend on the phone. At some point the first person you think of calling for help on a question just ain't gonna be available, unless it's all prearranged.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:02:54pm |
re: #143 yasharki
We used to kick the shit out of kids who tortured animals when I was in school, unfortunately this option seems impossible in western society.
If we have learned anything from the plight of Dusty (besides needlessly harming animals is wrong, duh) its that you can still ruin their lives through the power of the internet!
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:03:04pm |
re: #147 WindUpBird
Everyone used to make fun of me for being a Winger fan, they sorta stopped making fun when I dug up the VHS tape of Reb Beach being amazing on guitar. No matter what anyone says about hair metal, that guy is stunningly, shockingly awesome
Like I said, i was clueless.
Funny thing- my serious music appreciation started with listening to Andre Segovias classical 12 string guitar. Blew me away.
I went on from there.
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Stanghazi Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:03:10pm |
re: #148 goddamnedfrank
I thought it was suspicious that they could always get their friend on the phone. At some point the first person you think of calling for help on a question just ain't gonna be available, unless it's all prearranged.
yep.
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yasharki Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:04:04pm |
re: #146 Sergey Romanov
Disclaimer: my upding doesn't imply agreement with kicking shit out of kids.
;-)
Парта геноса, we were kids also! :))
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:04:18pm |
re: #150 researchok
Like I said, i was clueless.
Funny thing- my serious music appreciation started with listening to Andre Segovias classical 12 string guitar. Blew me away.
I went on from there.
My musical development could a substantially more noisy and offputting direction :D
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:04:27pm |
re: #153 WindUpBird
could=took
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:04:41pm |
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:05:18pm |
re: #139 WindUpBird
Someone harming a cat is someone in need of a serious ass kicking. (I have two rescue kitties I got as kittens, they are far better than the dogs we have IMO).
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Stanghazi Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:05:20pm |
re: #149 jamesfirecat
If we have learned anything from the plight of Dusty (besides needlessly harming animals is wrong, duh) its that you can still ruin their lives through the power of the internet!
Good column today in Huff Po from Aaron Sorkin, comparing Sr. Sarah to Michael Vick in how she killed the animal for no reason at all.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Oh just read it.
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engineer cat Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:05:29pm |
Парта геноса
nu, was willst du von mein lieb und leben?
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:06:11pm |
ZOMG, WE ARE BEING INVADED BY THE REDS!!!
///
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:06:50pm |
re: #159 Varek Raith
ZOMG, WE ARE BEING INVADED BY THE REDS!!!
///
Попрошу сохранять спокойствие, товарищ!
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Stanghazi Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:06:52pm |
re: #159 Varek Raith
ZOMG, WE ARE BEING INVADED BY THE REDS!!!
///
I love it. I welcome our Red Friends.
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Stanghazi Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:07:21pm |
re: #160 Sergey Romanov
Попрошу сохраня& #1090;ь спокойс& #1090;вие, товарищ!
You must translate? I'm lazy.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:07:25pm |
Hmm. LGF doesn't like the Red Alphabet very much, now, does it? :-)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:07:47pm |
re: #137 Killgore Trout
That always looked like such a con.
"Hey! Send me money! I'll convert it into gold and keep it safe right here in my office. Yeah! That's the ticket. My wife, Morgan Fairchild is going to be my spokesperson."
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yasharki Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:07:54pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:08:12pm |
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engineer cat Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:08:43pm |
Парта геноса
parta genosa?
google translates this as 'desk genosa'
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:09:13pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:10:03pm |
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:10:07pm |
re: #167 Gus 802
I think I just saw Alan Arkin.
That movie was sublime and funny.
A Russian sub marooned on Long Island...
All that was missing was Peter Falk as the dentist.
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yasharki Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:10:33pm |
re: #168 engineer dog
Парта геноса
parta genosa?
google translates this as 'desk genosa'
Google sucks, it actually means "party comrade" if I'm not mistaken.
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Gus Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:10:50pm |
re: #171 researchok
That movie was sublime and funny.
A Russian sub marooned on Long Island...
All that was missing was Peter Falk as the dentist.
New England.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:11:32pm |
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:11:41pm |
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yasharki Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:11:41pm |
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:12:03pm |
re: #163 Sergey Romanov
Hmm. LGF doesn't like the Red Alphabet very much, now, does it? :-)
It doesn't like leet speak either.
:(
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brookly red Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:12:22pm |
re: #173 yasharki
Google sucks, it actually means "party comrade" if I'm not mistaken.
the politically correct term for party girl?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:12:35pm |
re: #175 Sergey Romanov
The first time I saw that, Charles had posted it.
I've watched it a hundred times since.
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engineer cat Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:12:43pm |
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yasharki Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:13:30pm |
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brookly red Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:13:36pm |
re: #171 researchok
That movie was sublime and funny.
A Russian sub marooned on Long Island...
All that was missing was Peter Falk as the dentist.
that was the first movie my parents took me to...
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Stanghazi Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:13:56pm |
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jamesfirecat Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:14:04pm |
re: #171 researchok
That movie was sublime and funny.
A Russian sub marooned on Long Island...
All that was missing was Peter Falk as the dentist.
The only other movie I can think like it would be 1941... since they both poke lots of fun at American Hysteria...
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Gus Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:14:29pm |
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reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:14:30pm |
re: #80 Obdicut
Nah. Visa's transaction servers weren't attacked. Visa.com was. According to what I'm reading, only Mastercard has their actual transactions affected.
ah.
My subscription payment to LGF didn't go through today, "problem with the credit card".
I changed the payment method, but I couldn't find what the "problem" was. I guess that was it.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:14:38pm |
re: #169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
[Video]
Everybody dance!
That's where the "moon walk" originated? I didn't know that. And I didn't realize Russian was so easy... "lololololol... hahahaho... hohohohoha... ooooooo...."
(what does that mean?)
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Stanghazi Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:15:04pm |
Ensign to vote against DADT. He's trying for some sort of redemption.
I'll take it.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:15:07pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:15:21pm |
re: #189 Walter L. Newton
I am very glad for I am going home.
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:15:47pm |
re: #186 jamesfirecat
The only other movie I can think like it would be 1941... since they both poke lots of fun at American Hysteria...
Oh, for sure- and in that flick, the Russians were just as suspicious as the Americans, at first.
Did you see the original 'In Laws' with Alan Arkin and Peter Falk?
I laughed for two weeks after seeing that.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:16:19pm |
re: #192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I am very glad for I am going home.
He's going home alright... to the "home" if you get my drift.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:16:33pm |
re: #189 Walter L. Newton
That's where the "moon walk" originated? I didn't know that. And I didn't realize Russian was so easy... "lololololol... hahahaho... hohohohoha... ooo..."
(what does that mean?)
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Decatur Deb Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:17:38pm |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:17:55pm |
re: #195 Sergey Romanov
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Er... Serge... I realize what it was... I was just being funny... or at least trying.
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recusancy Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:18:15pm |
re: #185 Stanley Sea
I love to fail!
Here it is
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]
Fucking Susan Collins.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:18:17pm |
re: #193 researchok
Oh, for sure- and in that flick, the Russians were just as suspicious as the Americans, at first.
Did you see the original 'In Laws' with Alan Arkin and Peter Falk?
I laughed for two weeks after seeing that.
No I've never seen it I'll take a look at some point.
Have you seen 1941 by the way?
I has f***ing everyone who has ever been famous in it quite honestly...
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:18:34pm |
re: #194 Walter L. Newton
He's going home alright... to the "home" if you get my drift.
Heh. BTW, originally it was supposed to be a song about cowboys.
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Stanghazi Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:19:40pm |
re: #199 recusancy
Fucking Susan Collins.
Gah, I don't know, but I have this intuition (not politically scientific of course) but this is going to happen.
It is going to happen.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:19:50pm |
re: #201 Sergey Romanov
Heh. BTW, originally it was supposed to be a song about cowboys.
"As I walk down the streets of St. Petersburg..."
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:20:28pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:20:29pm |
re: #198 Walter L. Newton
Er... Serge... I realize what it was... I was just being funny... or at least trying.
Ah, OK. I'll be damned if I remember if you ever use // ;-)
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:20:43pm |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:21:21pm |
re: #205 Sergey Romanov
Ah, OK. I'll be damned if I remember if you ever use // ;-)
If you keep it up, I'm going to pull out one of my two accordions... you like polkas?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:21:46pm |
re: #203 Walter L. Newton
"As I walk down the streets of St. Petersburg..."
Petrograd (Leningrad Cowboys: Sweet Home Alabama
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:22:24pm |
re: #207 Walter L. Newton
Not really. ;-)
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engineer cat Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:23:29pm |
re: #207 Walter L. Newton
If you keep it up, I'm going to pull out one of my two accordions... you like polkas?
polkacide is illegal in the innertubes
know any crazy bulgarian music?
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:24:17pm |
re: #200 jamesfirecat
No I've never seen it I'll take a look at some point.
Have you seen 1941 by the way?
I has f***ing everyone who has ever been famous in it quite honestly...
Oh yeah, I've seen it- a classic.
Anything with John Belushi...
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:24:46pm |
re: #211 engineer dog
polkacide is illegal in the innertubes
know any crazy bulgarian music?
Nope. Probably could learn some... in about 30 seconds.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:25:05pm |
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:25:06pm |
re: #206 Walter L. Newton
Having a bit of winter in Paris today...
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
White frogs.
//
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:25:40pm |
re: #214 Gus 802
I'm just glad I don't have to see Yakov Smirnoff anymore.
Robin Williams was a better Smirnoff.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:25:55pm |
re: #212 researchok
Oh yeah, I've seen it- a classic.
Anything with John Belushi...
And Slim Pickens!
And Christopher Lee!
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yasharki Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:26:13pm |
re: #207 Walter L. Newton
If you keep it up, I'm going to pull out one of my two accordions... you like polkas?
Egh, u know nothing, Russian song isn't about accordion, Visotsky was the only one who managed to sum it all up (imho and all that)...
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Gus Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:26:52pm |
re: #212 researchok
Oh yeah, I've seen it- a classic.
Anything with John Belushi...
Today is the day after the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:27:22pm |
re: #216 researchok
White frogs.
//
I've never had the pleasure of seeing snow in Paris, even as many winter trips I've taken there. I was in Warsaw for almost three weeks in Feb. one year, and there was almost a daily does of flurries, kept a nice, safe layer of white on everything.
Long term forecasts say that Europe is in for a snowier and colder winter this year, so, next month, if I'm lucky, I may get my snow in Paris.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:27:53pm |
re: #220 Gus 802
Today is the day after the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
It is also the Feast of the Immaculate Conception.
Which meant I had to take my class to Mass.
I wish I liked going to church with little children.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:28:32pm |
re: #222 SanFranciscoZionist
It is also the Feast of the Immaculate Conception.
Which meant I had to take my class to Mass.
I wish I liked going to church with little children.
I hope you kept them away from the priests.
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:29:07pm |
re: #222 SanFranciscoZionist
It is also the Feast of the Immaculate Conception.
Which meant I had to take my class to Mass.
I wish I liked going to church with little children.
*Makes funny faces at SFZ.*
:P
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Decatur Deb Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:29:44pm |
re: #207 Walter L. Newton
If you keep it up, I'm going to pull out one of my two accordions... you like polkas?
Attractive Galician bagpipress does the polka.
[Link: www.google.com...]
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:30:29pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:30:41pm |
I am filling out an application to a grad school program.
My choices for 'Ethnicity Category' are:
Hispanic/Latino
Nonresident alien
Other
I guess I'm an Other?
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:31:21pm |
re: #228 SanFranciscoZionist
I am filling out an application to a grad school program.
My choices for 'Ethnicity Category' are:
Hispanic/Latino
Nonresident alien
OtherI guess I'm an Other?
Were you born on Earth?
If so, yes, you are the other.
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:31:22pm |
re: #221 Walter L. Newton
I've never had the pleasure of seeing snow in Paris, even as many winter trips I've taken there. I was in Warsaw for almost three weeks in Feb. one year, and there was almost a daily does of flurries, kept a nice, safe layer of white on everything.
Long term forecasts say that Europe is in for a snowier and colder winter this year, so, next month, if I'm lucky, I may get my snow in Paris.
If snow in Warsaw impressed you, snow in Krakow or Prague will stun you.
Neither of those cities were destroyed in the war and winter there is just unreal. A few miles out of town and you see the landscape of Dr Zhivago.
I know winter is winter, but in Europe, it's different.
I can't explain it.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:32:25pm |
re: #226 Decatur Deb
Attractive Galician bagpipress does the polka.
[Link: www.google.com...]
Healthy young lady... I approve.
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brookly red Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:32:36pm |
re: #229 Varek Raith
Were you born on Earth?
If so, yes, you are the other.
the Other... that was a pretty good movie for its time.
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:32:49pm |
re: #228 SanFranciscoZionist
I am filling out an application to a grad school program.
My choices for 'Ethnicity Category' are:
Hispanic/Latino
Nonresident alien
OtherI guess I'm an Other?
Way, way, waaay other.
///
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Lidane Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:33:24pm |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:33:36pm |
re: #230 researchok
If snow in Warsaw impressed you, snow in Krakow or Prague will stun you.
Neither of those cities were destroyed in the war and winter there is just unreal. A few miles out of town and you see the landscape of Dr Zhivago.
I know winter is winter, but in Europe, it's different.
I can't explain it.
Your correct... I think it's the newness of the snow, on the old of the European cities.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:33:52pm |
re: #231 Walter L. Newton
Healthy young lady... I approve.
Oh... and the accordion playing was goo too!
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:36:11pm |
re: #235 Walter L. Newton
Your correct... I think it's the newness of the snow, on the old of the European cities.
Yup- and there is a certain pathos, too.
In the poorer European neighborhoods, winter is bleak. Lines for buses, lines at shops, lines everywhere and everyone seems to be cold no matter how well bundled up.
And the kids are oblivious to it all a few years less.
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Gus Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:36:23pm |
The 70s were designed for suffering.
Image: vinton,%20bobby%20-%20bobby%20vinton%20show%20%28resized%29gdmac.jpg
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:37:04pm |
re: #237 Gus 802
Sproink!
[Video]
Ok... forget I brought up accordions or polkas... I love the instrument, I'm very protective of it, but really... that shit is enough. Stop... now.
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Gus Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:38:04pm |
re: #240 Walter L. Newton
Ok... forget I brought up accordions or polkas... I love the instrument, I'm very protective of it, but really... that shit is enough. Stop... now.
How about some Neil Sedaka or FBV's favorite, Barry Manilow?
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:38:17pm |
re: #239 Gus 802
The 70s were designed for suffering.
Image: vinton,%20bobby%20-%20bobby%20vinton%20show%20%28r esized%29gdmac.jpg
Nightmare tonight for sure. I'll see sequin studded Leisure Suits everywhere.
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Stanghazi Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:38:55pm |
re: #239 Gus 802
Horrible. And If I recall, that guy had very little talent?
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Gus Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:40:02pm |
re: #243 Stanley Sea
Horrible. And If I recall, that guy had very little talent?
Talent? Hmm, to be fair I guess he had talent for corny music. I think one of my uncles loves that stuff.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:40:36pm |
re: #236 Walter L. Newton
Oh... and the accordion playing was goo too!
Daughter and grand-daughter of great pipers, and one of two great Galician ladies at the moment. Here is the other doing a bit part with Yo Yo Ma and Allison Krause: Wexford Carol
[Link: www.google.com...]
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Stanghazi Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:40:37pm |
re: #244 Gus 802
Talent? Hmm, to be fair I guess he had talent for corny music. I think one of my uncles loves that stuff.
Lucky Uncle.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:40:45pm |
re: #238 researchok
Yup- and there is a certain pathos, too.
In the poorer European neighborhoods, winter is bleak. Lines for buses, lines at shops, lines everywhere and everyone seems to be cold no matter how well bundled up.
And the kids are oblivious to it all a few years less.
The day I took the car service to Treblinka, it snowed all day. There were no other tourists at the site, just the old gentleman who maned the little ticket booth/book store.
I was the only person in the field, over 17,000 rocks placed all over, each one with a name of a city where the Jews were removed from.
A brown rabbit followed me around for about an hour, probably hoping for a handout. I had nothing for him. I wonder if he realized that he was bounding around on the ashes of over a million people.
I did.
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Gus Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:43:14pm |
re: #242 researchok
Nightmare tonight for sure. I'll see sequin studded Leisure Suits everywhere.
Remember the rhinestone craze? And the metal studs? I think Popiel had some kit for that too.
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elizajane Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:44:08pm |
re: #17 Killgore Trout
Just joining the fray here...
THis is the part that I love:
“No wonder others are keeping silent about Assange's antics,” , the former Alska Governor told ABC News in an email. “This is what happens when you exercise the First Amendment and speak against his sick, un-American espionage efforts.”
Uh-huh. She is the ONLY person who has had sufficient COURAGE to e-mail, twitter, or otherwise criticize Assange. Nobody else has dared to utter a peep. Similar to how the rest of us don't have the guts to shoot a fearsome caribou for our dinners.
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Gus Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:44:08pm |
re: #248 Gus 802
Remember the rhinestone craze? And the metal studs? I think Popiel had some kit for that too.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:45:19pm |
Love this polka though.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:45:29pm |
re: #249 elizajane
I've been saying he's an asshole for days now. Why haven't my tubes been hacked?
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brookly red Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:46:02pm |
re: #248 Gus 802
Remember the rhinestone craze? And the metal studs? I think Popiel had some kit for that too.
There are probably a whole bunch sitting around in a warehouse somewhere... we could repackage em and sell them as home piercing kits?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:46:53pm |
re: #253 Obdicut
I've been saying he's an asshole for days now. Why haven't my tubes been hacked?
Why are you making all your comments in Lol-Cat?
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yasharki Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:47:59pm |
re: #221 Walter L. Newton
I've never had the pleasure of seeing snow in Paris, even as many winter trips I've taken there. I was in Warsaw for almost three weeks in Feb. one year, and there was almost a daily does of flurries, kept a nice, safe layer of white on everything.
Long term forecasts say that Europe is in for a snowier and colder winter this year, so, next month, if I'm lucky, I may get my snow in Paris.
Chances are snow may just be the thing able to take that dirty-gray film off Paris.
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Varek Raith Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:50:35pm |
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:51:17pm |
re: #247 Walter L. Newton
The day I took the car service to Treblinka, it snowed all day. There were no other tourists at the site, just the old gentleman who maned the little ticket booth/book store.
I was the only person in the field, over 17,000 rocks placed all over, each one with a name of a city where the Jews were removed from.
A brown rabbit followed me around for about an hour, probably hoping for a handout. I had nothing for him. I wonder if he realized that he was bounding around on the ashes of over a million people.
I did.
A lifetime ago- and yesterday.
Written when I was still writing.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:52:43pm |
re: #247 Walter L. Newton
The day I took the car service to Treblinka, it snowed all day. There were no other tourists at the site, just the old gentleman who maned the little ticket booth/book store.
I was the only person in the field, over 17,000 rocks placed all over, each one with a name of a city where the Jews were removed from.
A brown rabbit followed me around for about an hour, probably hoping for a handout. I had nothing for him. I wonder if he realized that he was bounding around on the ashes of over a million people.
I did.
Maybe the rabbit was a rabbi in previous life?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:54:19pm |
A pretty reasonable article....
Feds hint at charges for WikiLeaks' Assange
When asked whether "traditional media" organizations that republish secret documents could be prosecuted, State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said that the administration applauds "the role of journalists in your daily pursuits."
"In our view, Mr. Assange is not a journalist," Crowley added.
....the Obama administration has been trying to draw a sharp distinction between WikiLeaks and traditional journalists -- who would be unlikely to post thousands of raw cables to the Internet and more likely to bow to pressure not to publish. The New York Times delayed its expose of Bush administration's warrantless wiretapping for over a year, for instance.
"I would not draw any comparison between WikiLeaks and The New York Times," Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said last week on MSNBC. "The New York Times has not posted for all the world, including our enemies, to mine, a database of un-redacted raw documents, classified information that they solicited to be stolen. That's just not the same."
...
Another approach the Justice Department could take, which might be more likely to pass First Amendment muster: arguing that Assange, and anyone else deeply involved with WikiLeaks, is guilty of conspiracy by soliciting classified materials. That's something that journalists tend to shy away from doing.The Pentagon previewed this argument a few months ago when arguing that "WikiLeaks's webpage constitutes a brazen solicitation to U.S. government officials, including our military, to break the law."
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karmic_inquisitor Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:56:14pm |
Pampered children of industrial society who want that industrial society brought down because it creates, in their opinion, systemic injustice.
To think these little fuckers actually think this is new, or that they have some brilliant insight toward liberation. Robespierre thought the same path would deliver equity and prosperity to France. Instead it produced Napoleon.
How exactly is the US supposed to develop soft power and use it instead of firepower when its diplomatic corps is basically shorn of its sole instruments of craft?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:56:22pm |
re: #261 Killgore Trout
A pretty reasonable article...
It's going to be cute if he resists extradition here on the basis that our government includes torture in its judicial practices.
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brookly red Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:56:28pm |
re: #261 Killgore Trout
A pretty reasonable article...
"...solicited to be stolen." 4 very dangerous words, me thinks.
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brookly red Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:57:53pm |
re: #263 Decatur Deb
It's going to be cute if he resists extradition here on the basis that our government includes torture in its judicial practices.
count on it.
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yasharki Wed, Dec 8, 2010 4:59:54pm |
re: #261 Killgore Trout
A pretty reasonable article...
Sounds like the bottom line is that Assange cannot be legally prosecuted. I don't get it, aren't there laws against gaining unauthorized access to, and distributing classified documents?
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Kragar Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:00:41pm |
Anyone want to tell me that my idea that every major government on earth is going to use the wikileaks incident to place major restrictions on the internet is crazy?
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karmic_inquisitor Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:01:12pm |
re: #14 Charles
Thing is, the anonymous folks may think they're really anonymous and all proxied up and everything, but if a company like Visa has virtually unlimited money to spend on it (which they do), they will be identified.
They have no idea of how easily they can be tracked. It just comes down to a cost benefit analysis. In repressive states, the benefit is considered high for tracking down and torturing/imprisoning cyber dissidents. Here, most don't care and the government doesn't want to cross a cultural Orwellian threshold. But payment processors and the banks they have as clients are another matter.
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mich-again Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:02:58pm |
re: #221 Walter L. Newton
Long term forecasts say that Europe is in for a snowier and colder winter this year, so, next month, if I'm lucky, I may get my snow in Paris.
One theory regarding AGW is that as the ocean temperatures rise, the ocean currents that warm Northern Europe will be disrupted. So as the globe heats up, the winters in Europe will get much colder. Which kind of sucks when the Russians are supplying the natural gas. Not that the Russians would use the opportunity to put the screws to their nieghbors. Naw, they wouldn't go there. /
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wrenchwench Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:03:24pm |
re: #249 elizajane
“This is what happens when you exercise the First Amendment and speak against his sick, un-American espionage efforts.”
I'm sure Mr. Assange is highly offended at being called "un-American."
Madam Half Governor doesn't know the difference between un-American and anti-American.
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yasharki Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:03:59pm |
re: #267 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Anyone want to tell me that my idea that every major government on earth is going to use the wikileaks incident to place major restrictions on the internet is crazy?
Which major government is that? The one run by Soros perhaps?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:04:51pm |
re: #258 researchok
re: #258 researchok
A lifetime ago- and yesterday.
Written when I was still writing.
A good piece. But I think, as someone dealing with denial, that this needs correction:
One and a half million Jews perished in that camp alone- of that number, half a million were children under 16 years of age. This is not an exaggeration or calculation. By their own admission and record keeping, those who perpetrated the evil, have told us so. These numbers do not include the millions of Poles and others put to death in Auschwitz.
About a million people perished in Auschwitz. I know what is written on the tablets there and the number is exaggerated for whatever reason. Moreover, the number on the tablets does not refer to Jews but to all victims, so "the millions of Poles and others put to death in Auschwitz" is plain wrong. The "about million" estimate was arrived by former Au. Museum director F. Piper in a special study, Die Zahl der Opfer von Auschwitz substantiated the number of 1,000,000, though he left the place for 1,500,000 on rather shaky assumptions about the number of Polish Jews. During the Irving v. Lipstadt trial Prof. van Pelt, an unquestioned expert on Auschwitz, re-examined and reiterated Piper's lower number, stating:
[Link: www.hdot.org...]Given the fact that 1,095,000 Jews were deported to Auschwitz, and 205,000 were registered as inmates in the camp, it follows that 890,000 Jews who arrived were not registered. Of these some 25,000 would have been Durchgangs-Juden, which leads to the conclusion that 865,000 Jews were killed on arrival.
The mortality of the registered Jews is more difficult to determine. It is clear that, of the registered inmates, 190,000 were transferred to other concentration camps--most of them after the death marches of January 1945. A total of 8,000 inmates were liberated by the Red Army on January 27, 1945, some 1,500 inmates were released, and some 500 escaped. This means that some 199,500 inmates, or roughly half of all the registered inmates, are accounted for. The rest, or 200,000, must have died in the camp. According to Piper, the mortality rate for the general camp population (mainly Poles and Jews), was around 50 per cent over the life of the camp--for the Soviet prisoners- of-war and the Romani it was much higher. As a result Piper came to a rough estimate of 100,000 registered Jews that died in the camp. The result is that the total mortality of Jews in Auschwitz was 960,000.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:05:09pm |
re: #272 Sergey Romanov
Added to this number are a number of other victim groups, such as unregistered Poles sent for execution to Auschwitz by the Gestapo Summary Court, registered Polish inmates, unregistered Romani, registered Romani, unregistered Soviet prisoners-of-war sent for execution, registered Soviet Prisoners-of-war, and others (Czechs, Russians, Belorussians, Ukrainians, Yugoslavs, Frenchmen, Germans, Austrians and so on):
1. Jews: 860,000 unregistered and 100,000 registered inmates. Total 960,000 victims.
2. Poles: 10,00 unregistered and 64,000 registered inmates. Total 74,000 victims.
3. Romani: 2,000 unregistered and 19,000 registered inmates. Total 21,000 victims.
4. Soviet prisoners-of-war: 3,000 unregistered and 12,000 registered. Total 15,000 victims.
5. Others: 12,000 registered inmates. Total 12,000 victims.
Total: 1,082,000 victims.
He then goes on to describe the problem with the assumption of the number of Hungarian Durchgangsjuden, and wisely leaves a room for further reduction. Wisely - because the reduction eventually happened after in 2002 Gerlach and Aly published a document which reduced the number of Hungarian Jews killed in Auschwitz immediately on arrival from about 400,000 to about 320,000 (more about this here). Van Pelt concludes:
It will be clear that Pressac's methodology, and hence his revision of the number of Polish Jews deported to Auschwitz, is not to be taken seriously. As a result, Piper's numbers remain the only ones that are supported by substantial investigation into the matter. As a scholar working on the history of Auschwitz, I reviewed Dr. Piper's methodology and his conclusions both in conversation, through study of his writings, and by considering the evidence he has presented, and I fully join the scholarly consensus that he has put the matter to rest. And while it is not impossible that at some future date they could be revised if, for example, more information becomes available about the number of Hungarian Durchgangsjuden I do not expect such a revision to be beyond a range of about 10 per cent. Even if the total number of Jewish victims of Auschwitz were to be closer to 900,000 than 1,000,000, Auschwitz was to remain the center of the Holocaust, and as such the likely focus of Holocaust denial.
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:06:44pm |
re: #272 Sergey Romanov
re: #258 researchok
A good piece. But I think, as someone dealing with denial, that this needs correction:
About a million people perished in Auschwitz. I know what is written on the tablets there and the number is exaggerated for whatever reason. Moreover, the number on the tablets does not refer to Jews but to all victims, so "the millions of Poles and others put to death in Auschwitz" is plain wrong. The "about million" estimate was arrived by former Au. Museum director F. Piper in a special study, Die Zahl der Opfer von Auschwitz substantiated the number of 1,000,000, though he left the place for 1,500,000 on rather shaky assumptions about the number of Polish Jews. During the Irving v. Lipstadt trial Prof. van Pelt, an unquestioned expert on Auschwitz, re-examined and reiterated Piper's lower number, stating:
If my numbers are in err, forgive me.
Nevertheless, Auschwitz was never really about numbers, you know?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:07:12pm |
re: #259 Alouette
Maybe the rabbit was a rabbi in previous life?
If I was to imagine one, for me, it would be the Baal Shem Tov.
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mich-again Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:08:20pm |
HuffPo has a guest columnist (who also happens to be a huge egomaniac and a Horatio Hornblower..) named Robert David Steele who is a long-time proponent of what he refers to as Open Source Intelligence. In the past he has written glowingly about the mission of Wikileaks and came out in strong support of Mary McCarthy a few years back when she was fired from the CIA for leaking documents.
Funny how when you go back to dig around his website, he has taken down all his articles in support of Wikileaks. Open Source Intelligence is for me and not for thee. What a dickhead.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:08:29pm |
re: #275 researchok
Sorry, numbers are important.
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Usually refered to as anyways Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:08:55pm |
Rudd blames US, not Assange for leaks
Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd says the United States, not WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, is to blame for the release of secret diplomatic cables.
Mr Rudd says the 39-year-old Australian cannot be held personally responsible for the release of more than 250,000 documents.
He says the leaks raise questions about the adequacy of US security.
"Mr Assange is not himself responsible for the unauthorised release of 250,000 documents from the US diplomatic communications network," said Mr Rudd, who has been criticised in one leaked cable as a "control freak".
"The Americans are responsible for that."
Mr Rudd appears to be in agreement with former prime minister John Howard, who earlier today said Mr Assange had not done anything wrong by publishing cables that contained "frank commentary".
"Any journalist will publish confidential information if he or she gets hold of it, subject only to compelling national security interests," Mr Howard said.
More at the link
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:09:37pm |
re: #278 Sergey Romanov
Sorry, numbers are important.
Numbers are important.
That said, numbers do not assign the level of evil that was Auschwitz.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:13:52pm |
re: #281 Gus 802
Whew. Could hear the noise coming up from downstairs.
I wouldn't go there if I were you....
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:14:08pm |
re: #278 Sergey Romanov
Sorry, numbers are important.
More numbers from Nizkor
More: Jewish Virtual Library.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:15:30pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:16:07pm |
re: #283 researchok
More numbers from Nizkor
More: Jewish Virtual Library.
Also, you're linking twice to the same article.
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:16:31pm |
re: #284 Sergey Romanov
Um, I know. Your point?
My point is simple.
I'm not sure whose numbers are most credible. Certainly, it is difficult to speak with authority on the subject.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:17:05pm |
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:20:23pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:21:38pm |
re: #287 researchok
My point is simple.
I'm not sure whose numbers are most credible. Certainly, it is difficult to speak with authority on the subject.
Let's not go into relativisim, OK? Wellers' 1.5 million is no more correct than Pressac's 500,000, and both are outdated. Yes, it is possible to speak with full authority on the subject because there is transport data. Piper substantiated 1.1 million, van Pelt checked him and agreed, Hilberg suggested 1 million even earlier, Hoess in his memoirs suggested about the same number based on his memories about transports. They're the ones who checked the data. There is no debate here.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:23:23pm |
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Charles Johnson Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:23:53pm |
By the way, the purpose of the timeout function is not to humiliate anyone or publicly shame anyone. It's to give someone a chance to cool off when they're caught in one of those Internet arguments that feeds on itself like the Worm Ouroborous, and defending positions they shouldn't because the worm is hungry.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:25:24pm |
re: #293 Charles
A friend of mine has actually created a script that locks him out of his computer when it registers that he's typing above a certain rate of words per minute, after he realized that whenever he was outraged and behaving badly, he was typing really, really, really fast.
Auto-self-timeout.
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yasharki Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:25:53pm |
re: #290 Stanley Sea
Have you checked out Sergey's website?
I don't know his website's URL, but Google's searches paint him as a Holocaust denier, is it true?
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darthstar Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:26:05pm |
re: #293 Charles
Damn...somebody was wrong on the internet and I missed it...again.
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:27:51pm |
re: #292 Sergey Romanov
If you think that a news item and a non-scientific site article are somehow equal in authoritativeness to the fully sourced scholarly expert report, we can as well end this discussion now.
Yes, I think ending this discussion would be a good idea.
During the war crimes trials, Höss was was asked if it was true that he had no exact numbers because he had been forbidden to compile them, and he agreed. He also agreed that Adolf Eichmann had told him that that more than two million people had been exterminated there. (von Lang, Jochen. ed. Eichmann Interrogated: Transcripts from the Archives of the Israeli Police. NY: Farrar, Straus, & Giroux, 1983, p.120)
In his own words.
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darthstar Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:27:52pm |
re: #294 Obdicut
I type relatively fast...somewhere between 90 and 100 words per minute. When I'm really excited, I can exceed that, though it's usually not a good idea, as I start making serious typos.
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What, me worry? Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:27:55pm |
re: #293 Charles
By the way, the purpose of the timeout function is not to humiliate anyone or publicly shame anyone. It's to give someone a chance to cool off when they're caught in one of those Internet arguments that feeds on itself like the Worm Ouroborous, and defending positions they shouldn't because the worm is hungry.
Well said! I hate to see otherwise good friends get caught up in that cycle.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:28:27pm |
re: #288 Charles
Irritating, the noise.
I didn't even comment and had a bottle bounce off my hat!
It's been years since that happened!
Oh,the memories.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:29:23pm |
re: #298 darthstar
I can "out typo"you at 40 ...so there?
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:29:26pm |
Couple of things -
wikileaks has provided some valuable scoops in the past like the Australian governments attempt to censor access to internet sites which included abortion campaign and other legal websites.
[Link: www.smh.com.au...]
the BBC interviewed someone from the AEI last night regarding Paypal and others dropping financial links with wikileaks and the interviewees talking points mostly revolved around the upcoming rape case and nothing too much about the ethics or other issues at play here with regard to the internet/national security, etc.
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wrenchwench Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:29:34pm |
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Speak, oh long-unhatched one!
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darthstar Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:30:41pm |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:30:56pm |
re: #295 yasharki
I don't know his website's URL, but Google's searches paint him as a Holocaust denier, is it true?
Are you talking about the guy who just posted #291? Being cautious with numbers, when true deniers seize upon any exaggeration, is not denial. As for Google, it is often the brilliant organization of idiocy.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:31:13pm |
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jamesfirecat Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:31:56pm |
re: #304 darthstar
She'd complain if she wasn't attacked.
////Why don't you hate me enough to attack me? PAY ATTENTION TO ME!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:34:07pm |
re: #297 researchok
Yes, I think ending this discussion would be a good idea.
In his own words.
Yes, it would, because you're aggressively ignorant of the topic at hand.
[Link: www.hdot.org...]But, when it came to giving details about these 2,500,000 people he wrote in the Le Commandant d'Auschwitz parle (p. 239, French ed.):
As for me, I never knew the total number, and had no way of determining it. I can only remember the number in the most important cases, often pointed out to me by Eichmann or one of his deputies.From Upper Silesia, or Poland in general: 250,000
From Germany, or Theresienstadt: 100,000
Holland: 95,000
Belgium: 20,000
France: 110,000
Greece: 65,000
Hungary: 400,000
Slovakia: 90,000
TOTAL: 1,130,000
The figures concerning cases of less importance are not graven in my memory, but they were insignificant compared with the above. I think the figure of 2,500,000 much too high "
Do read the very first link I gave to you. The history of the estimates is given there.
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darthstar Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:34:22pm |
re: #307 jamesfirecat
///Why don't you hate me enough to attack me? PAY ATTENTION TO ME!
Well done...that even sounded like Sarah in my head when I read it.
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darthstar Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:35:15pm |
I've got a cat lying on my chest...have to look over his head to see the screen on my lap...feh. At least he's happy to have me home.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:35:58pm |
re: #309 darthstar
Well done...that even sounded like Sarah in my head when I read it.
I suspected Sarah was in your head.
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Stanghazi Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:37:19pm |
re: #295 yasharki
I don't know his website's URL, but Google's searches paint him as a Holocaust denier, is it true?
no
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:37:22pm |
re: #308 Sergey Romanov
Yes, it would, because you're aggressively ignorant of the topic at hand.
Do read the very first link I gave to you. The history of the estimates is given there.
I don't claim to be an authority- you do.
I only quoted the guy who knew firsthand and was there.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:37:38pm |
re: #295 yasharki
I don't know his website's URL, but Google's searches paint him as a Holocaust denier, is it true?
Quite the opposite, Sergey has taken it on himself to confront the Holocaust deniers with facts.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:39:05pm |
re: #310 darthstar
I've got a cat lying on my chest...have to look over his head to see the screen on my lap...feh. At least he's happy to have me home.
Speaking of cats not many people may have picked up on this but in #56... that was actually one of my family's two felines.
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Stanghazi Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:39:28pm |
re: #314 Alouette
Quite the opposite, Sergey has taken it on himself to confront the Holocaust deniers with facts.
Thanks for being the clarifier.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:40:31pm |
re: #313 researchok
Sergey has spent years of his life researching accuracy on this. You can trust the quality of his research.
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yasharki Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:41:57pm |
re: #305 Decatur Deb
Are you talking about the guy who just posted #291? Being cautious with numbers, when true deniers seize upon any exaggeration, is not denial. As for Google, it is often the brilliant organization of idiocy.
Yes, I was asking about poster of #291. I'm not sure how you can label a search engine as a "brilliant organization of idiocy", it's a bizarre statement to say the least. I haven't noticed any bias in Google search results, it's up to me to make sense and find an objective view on a given search "topic" (if you can call a string as such)...
Was just looking for someone else's opinion on what I found is all.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:42:20pm |
And again, let me vouch absolutely that Sergey is in no way, at all, in the least, antisemitic or a holocaust denier. He is the exact opposite, a scholar and a confronter of deniers. He has been for years upon years.
Aloutte speaks for him. I do too, as a Jew, as a WWII history buff, and as a human being.
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darthstar Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:42:33pm |
re: #315 jamesfirecat
Speaking of cats not many people may have picked up on this but in #56... that was actually one of my family's two felines.
Sweet looking beast...looks like he/she has tons of attitude.
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yasharki Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:43:47pm |
re: #314 Alouette
Quite the opposite, Sergey has taken it on himself to confront the Holocaust deniers with facts.
My bad, I got a wrong impression from the internets :).
Sergey, please accept my apologies!
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jamesfirecat Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:44:45pm |
re: #320 darthstar
Sweet looking beast...looks like he/she has tons of attitude.
re: #320 darthstar
Sweet looking beast...looks like he/she has tons of attitude.
She does.
We've forced her to be an indoor cat since when we let her out she racked up quite a tally of mice, rats, voles, chipmunks, squirles, and even a rabbit and bird every now and again (seriously, we came out one morning and she had a not yet dead bird in her mouth and was awkwardly shaking it about waiting for it to stop fluttering).
Not that it's easy to keep her in, want to hear some of the cooler queen's escape stories?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:44:48pm |
re: #318 yasharki
Yes, I was asking about poster of #291. I'm not sure how you can label a search engine as a "brilliant organization of idiocy", it's a bizarre statement to say the least. I haven't noticed any bias in Google search results, it's up to me to make sense and find an objective view on a given search "topic" (if you can call a string as such)...
Was just looking for someone else's opinion on what I found is all.
Parse it. Google's brilliant in that it finds the content you are looking for. The content placed on the net is often idiocy.
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darthstar Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:46:08pm |
re: #322 jamesfirecat
My cat goes outside to kill things. It makes him happy.
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:46:17pm |
re: #317 Obdicut
Sergey has spent years of his life researching accuracy on this. You can trust the quality of his research.
I don't question his data- I do not have the qualifications.
He pointed out his numbers, I immediately said if was in err, it was unintentional.
Where the rest came from, I do not know.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:46:23pm |
re: #313 researchok
I don't claim to be an authority- you do.
I only quoted the guy who knew firsthand and was there.
I can only lead a horse to water. To repeat, read the first link. Better yet, read the whole expert report. For now, finita.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:46:48pm |
re: #324 darthstar
My cat goes outside to kill things. It makes him happy.
The problem was that she was getting scratched up in her fights with her larger prey, so it would be safer for her to stay inside...
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:46:50pm |
re: #313 researchok
I don't claim to be an authority- you do.
I only quoted the guy who knew firsthand and was there.
PS: I quoted the same guy.
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yasharki Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:47:10pm |
re: #323 Decatur Deb
Parse it. Google's brilliant in that it finds the content you are looking for. The content placed on the net is often idiocy.
Filter is a better word methinks.
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:47:30pm |
re: #319 Obdicut
And again, let me vouch absolutely that Sergey is in no way, at all, in the least, antisemitic or a holocaust denier. He is the exact opposite, a scholar and a confronter of deniers. He has been for years upon years.
Aloutte speaks for him. I do too, as a Jew, as a WWII history buff, and as a human being.
Did anyone here make that claim, or imply that?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:47:37pm |
re: #324 darthstar
My cat goes outside to kill things. It makes him happy.
Get it a reality show on TLC.
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darthstar Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:48:05pm |
re: #313 researchok
I don't claim to be an authority- you do.
I only quoted the guy who knew firsthand and was there.
I once knew this dude who knew a dude who knew another dude and well, you wouldn't believe what that dude knew.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:48:20pm |
re: #330 researchok
Did anyone here make that claim, or imply that?
Yasharki asked, above.
It comes up a lot because a sick bastard poisoned the google search results for Sergey with a lot of insane claptrap.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:48:37pm |
Thank you, Alouette and Obdicut.
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darthstar Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:48:50pm |
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PhillyPretzel Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:51:33pm |
re: #56 jamesfirecat
This one was a hunter? I can believe that. She looks like she about to attack.
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:52:00pm |
re: #333 Obdicut
Yasharki asked, above.
It comes up a lot because a sick bastard poisoned the google search results for Sergey with a lot of insane claptrap.
Ahh...understood.
No, I never questioned Sergey's credentials or motives. I would have no reason to do that.
The numbers I referred to in my piece were not picked out of the air. They were provided to me by multiple sources I deem to credible.
In any event, I will repeat what I said earlier: Auschwitz has never been about the numbers.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:55:00pm |
re: #337 PhillyPretzel
This one was a hunter? I can believe that. She looks like she about to attack.
Yeah here's a great story about her.
My brother has a door that swings inwards.
At one point I put cat in room don't close it so that the door locks in place, but still to open it the cat would have to be able to pull.
5 Min later she's out.
Put her back in and do the same.
She gets out again.
Put her back in and stay in there with her.
She scratches away at the carpeting, gets a paw underneath the door and pulls it inwards to let herself out.
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:55:14pm |
re: #338 researchok
That's certainly true. However, it is important to be as accurate as possible when actually citing the numbers.
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yasharki Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:56:06pm |
re: #334 Sergey Romanov
Thank you, Alouette and Obdicut.
Dude, please accept my apologies, I was seriously mislead by trusting search engine results instead of spending some time to actually read the comments you've made on this blog. I think Obdicut's right in saying that someone's used your credentials in their postings.
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researchok Wed, Dec 8, 2010 5:58:11pm |
re: #340 Obdicut
That's certainly true. However, it is important to be as accurate as possible when actually citing the numbers.
I relied on Nizkor and other sites to confirm the numbers I was cited at Auschwitz.
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TedStriker Wed, Dec 8, 2010 6:52:51pm |
re: #7 researchok
It used to be you needed an army and or navy to do another nation harm. Nowadays, you need a guy with a chem/bio recipe, wooden spoon and a bath tub and all hell breaks loose.
The same is true with computers. A bored kid taking a break from a video game, can wreak havoc.
Matthew Broderick and War Games, only for real.
Nah, the script kiddies of today (see: 4chan and Anonymous) are nothing like the hackers back when WarGames was made...back then, you had to have skills, not only with software, but with hardware too.
The majority of today's "hackers" are pikers, standing on the shoulders of real hacker legends.
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Barrett Brown Wed, Dec 8, 2010 7:27:01pm |
To answer a question posed earlier, I am not only a supporter of Anonymous but also a participant in some of their activities since 2005. I am now working directly with Gregg Housh and his people on some projects, as of a few hoours ago. I'm also a longtime supporter of Wikileaks and did radio interviews and essays in their defense starting about a year ago and particularly in the run-up to their release of the Afghan tape. I have also made some small efforts in helping them raise money.
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prairiefire Wed, Dec 8, 2010 7:52:44pm |
re: #344 Barrett Brown
To answer a question posed earlier, I am not only a supporter of Anonymous but also a participant in some of their activities since 2005. I am now working directly with Gregg Housh and his people on some projects, as of a few hoours ago. I'm also a longtime supporter of Wikileaks and did radio interviews and essays in their defense starting about a year ago and particularly in the run-up to their release of the Afghan tape. I have also made some small efforts in helping them raise money.
Hello, Barrett. Have you known Mr. Assange in your association with Wikileaks?
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prairiefire Wed, Dec 8, 2010 8:03:06pm |
re: #346 Barrett Brown
No, I've never spoken to Assange.
So, has the cyber presence of Wikileaks been presented as "freedom of information" to other cyber journalists?
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prairiefire Wed, Dec 8, 2010 8:56:39pm |
re: #348 Barrett Brown
Sorry, the post didn't have any text! I have a feeling we are watching journalistic precedence as it happens.
Take care, and Happy Holidays, if you celebrate them.
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funky chicken Wed, Dec 8, 2010 9:15:12pm |
re: #12 Killgore Trout
I was just trying to figure out Barret Brown's latest page...
Anonymous posts new video implying further efforts in defense of Wikileaks; Visa.com down
Is Barret affiliated, friendly or a supporter of Anonymous?
Gosh, I hope not.
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funky chicken Wed, Dec 8, 2010 9:17:16pm |
re: #262 karmic_inquisitor
Pampered children of industrial society who want that industrial society brought down because it creates, in their opinion, systemic injustice.
To think these little fuckers actually think this is new, or that they have some brilliant insight toward liberation. Robespierre thought the same path would deliver equity and prosperity to France. Instead it produced Napoleon.
How exactly is the US supposed to develop soft power and use it instead of firepower when its diplomatic corps is basically shorn of its sole instruments of craft?
yep
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funky chicken Wed, Dec 8, 2010 9:22:47pm |
re: #55 darthstar
But she's the quintessential victim. She's the archetype for victim. Look victim up in the dictionary, and there's Sarah Palin complaining about being victimized by her inclusion in the definition.
Yeah, but why would they enable her?
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Barrett Brown Wed, Dec 8, 2010 9:48:56pm |
Sorry, not sure why that comment messed up. I'm not sure if I understand your question, Prairiefire.
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tradewind Wed, Dec 8, 2010 11:08:46pm |
re: #157 Stanley Sea
Oh, a shame... he's obviously riding that train again.
(Because even on camera, for whatever ego-driven purposes, killing a caribou that's destined for a freezer and Michael Vick..... yeah, just alike.
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prairiefire Thu, Dec 9, 2010 6:10:12am |
re: #353 Barrett Brown
Sorry, not sure why that comment messed up. I'm not sure if I understand your question, Prairiefire.
Sorry! I think I just would like to hear your side for the support of Wikileaks. Thanks, Barrett.
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John Vreeland Thu, Dec 9, 2010 8:51:31am |
I don't have anything against the idea of Wikileaks, per se---something like it is needed---but Julian Assange is an arrogant jackass. It would be a pity if his own stupidity brought down Wikileaks down.
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