David Frum Thinks the GOP is in Great Shape

Frum thinks ‘quarantine’ means ‘spreading like wildfire’
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Of all the partisan Republican pundits on the scene, David Frum is probably the most sensible. But occasionally he issues one of these pieces, in which his partisanship completely clouds his judgment: A Great Week for the GOP.

1) The Republican caucus accepted a deal to avert a government shutdown. The deal is a huge victory for governance Republicanism over talk radio conservatism.

It’s a “huge victory” because the GOP took the country to the very brink of a government shutdown over far-right issues like Planned Parenthood, NPR, and the Environmental Protection Agency… then backed down at the last minute? That’s a very odd definition of “victory:” fight like crazy for ideological nonsense, then cave in at the last possible opportunity.

2) Glenn Beck’s show was canceled. There remains plenty of angry extremism on the airwaves: Limbaugh, Levin, and so on. But the collapse in Beck’s ratings represents a heartening repudiation of John Birch society conspiracy-mongering by rank-and-file conservatives – despite the shameful attempt by Fox News to mainstream this junk.

This “repudiation” of conspiracy-mongering by the base exists only in David Frum’s imagination. I’ve seen absolutely no sign that the GOP base is turning away from conspiracy theories and atavistic racism, and the influence of groups like the John Birch Society is stronger than ever.

And despite the decline in ratings, Glenn Beck’s show was very popular with right wingers, right up to the end. A much more important factor in the canceling of Beck’s show: Fox News had lost tens of millions of dollars, due to the advertiser boycott. The show was canceled because Fox News was losing money. “Repudiation” had nothing to do with it, and Beck remains a hero to the right wing base.

3) Donald Trump shouldered aside Newt Gingrich in Republican primary preferences. This may not sound like good news but bear with me: It used to be that the person offering the Obama-is-African-not-American message to the Republican primary electorate was a former speaker of the House, a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, and a Fox News contributor: in other words, an eminent and respectable personage. Now Trump has stolen the Gingrich spotlight, knocked Gingrich out of the top 3. With the result that the bearer of the Obama-not-American message is a clownish TV personality in an absurd hairdo. That’s progress. Birtherism is being quarantined within the GOP. Better if it were repudiated and extinguished, but although this week was positive, it was not miraculous.

“Birtherism is being quarantined?” Is Frum kidding? A major new political figure comes out as a Birther and sees his popularity skyrocket in the polls, and Frum thinks this is “quarantine?”

On the contrary, Birtherism is absolutely running rampant in the GOP base — every poll shows that it’s spreading, not decreasing — and Fox News and right wing radio are pimping this brain-dead conspiracy theory more than ever.

This piece by David Frum is pure wishful thinking, with almost no relation to current right wing reality.

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315 comments
1 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:00:40pm

It is a rather bizarre reaction to a new, loud figure talking about birtherism to say "See? It's quarantined!"

Because it's rather the opposite of quarantined.

Poor Frum. I wish his version of the GOP was real.

2 bratwurst  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:03:14pm

Quarantined? After a quiet period, it is flaring up and spreading if anything.

3 darthstar  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:03:34pm

Didn't the conservatives kick Frum out of their reindeer games a while back because he tried to take a "moderate" view of a single issue? Now it looks like he's begging for readmission into the club.

4 calochortus  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:03:46pm

He could be right in that the GOP seems to have fought off some of the wingnuttiness that has been exhibited by many. Not all, of course, but, you know, baby steps.

5 makeitstop  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:04:37pm

A classic case of one seeing only what he wants to see.

6 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:05:48pm

re: #3 darthstar

Didn't the conservatives kick Frum out of their reindeer games a while back because he tried to take a "moderate" view of a single issue? Now it looks like he's begging for readmission into the club.

Unwilling to see the forest for the trees, I think is appropriate.

7 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:06:38pm

I will agree partially with Frum on point #1. I think it's important to sell this budget comprimise to the wingnuts as a victory. The conservative base instinctively wanted shutdown with no comprimise but that's not politically viable. If the Republicans have any hope of governing they are going to have to comprimise.

8 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:08:13pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

I will agree partially with Frum on point #1. I think it's important to sell this budget comprimise to the wingnuts as a victory. The conservative base instinctively wanted shutdown with no comprimise but that's not politically viable. If the Republicans have any hope of governing they are going to have to comprimise.

they are working up a new definition of 'compromise' as we speak

9 bratwurst  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:08:28pm

re: #4 calochortus

He could be right in that the GOP seems to have fought off some of the wingnuttiness that has been exhibited by many. Not all, of course, but, you know, baby steps.

A guy who looks like a lunatic has muscled his way to being the #2 contender for the GOP nomination on the back of birth certificate talk...how does that equate to fighting off wingnuttiness in any sense? Do you or Frum really believe that Trump carrying the banner for this nonsense is going to stop Gingrich or anyone else from using it for their own gain? The half governor certainly isn't distancing herself from it!

10 jamesfirecat  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:14:25pm

I'm trying hard to find a way to describe David Frum's relationship with the Republican party that doesn't make light of people caught in actual abusive relationships....

11 jamesfirecat  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:14:51pm

re: #2 bratwurst

Quarantined? After a quiet period, it is flaring up and spreading if anything.

Nuke it from orbit, its the only way to be sure....

12 dragonfire1981  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:15:04pm

If that's his definition of quarantined, I'd hope this man never EVER gets put in charge of containing a large viral outbreak.

It's almost like this this an attempt by the GOP (Through Frum) to say "we're really not that bad! Sure we have a few nutcases but we're working to get rid of them and we're almost there!"

Remember the accepted truth can sometimes be completely opposite from the apparent facts (see: Birthers).

13 calochortus  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:15:12pm

re: #9 bratwurst

I don't think the poll that has Trump at #2 means anything other than the GOP doesn't have any particularly good candidates, but that's just personal opinion.

My point was more along the lines of the moderately sane GOP leadership still having enough clout to fend off the some of the really whackadoodle teaparty stuff, and an interest in doing so. This is vaguely encouraging to those of us who would like a sound two party system. It is in no way an endorsement of any of their policies or a ringing endorsement of their return to sanity.

14 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:15:30pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

I will agree partially with Frum on point #1. I think it's important to sell this budget comprimise to the wingnuts as a victory. The conservative base instinctively wanted shutdown with no comprimise but that's not politically viable. If the Republicans have any hope of governing they are going to have to comprimise.

Yea, but no one is going to listen to Frum. They listen to Paul Ryan, Mike Pence, Newt even the Freakin Donald. Did you hear Spence this morning on This Week. The man is outright liar!

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

He wants to stop "federally funded abortions by Planned Parenthood". But the GOP just eats it up.

15 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:15:48pm
It’s a “huge victory” because the GOP took the country to the very brink of a government shutdown over far-right issues like Planned Parenthood, NPR, and the Environmental Protection Agency… then backed down at the last minute? That’s a very odd definition of “victory:” fight like crazy for ideological nonsense, then cave in at the last possible opportunity.

They've been working like mad since yesterday to spin this as a "huge victory" for Boehner, because he got the Dems to agree to cuts. Meanwhile, the Tea Party base is still frothing mad that he "sold them out" for not even half of the $100 billion promised and putting items like PP and NPR up to single bill votes rather than keeping them as riders on the final budget.

It's a "victory" in that it's temporarily removed the impasse and shown that the GOP party leadership has decided not to handcuff itself to the sinking ship that is the Tea Party. But it's only the beginning of the headaches we can expect this year, with the debt ceiling coming up, next year's budget (and the push by the Tea Party for the Ryan Plan), and any number of major bills that the GOP will turn into months-long fights.

16 rwmofo  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:16:11pm

Hmmm. How come Democrats have been losing a huge majority of elections since 2008? They've let the angry left marginalize their party. It's so out of the mainstream Joe Lieberman is seen as too far right. Joe Lieberman? Are you kidding? Senator Webb has also thrown in the towel as well as many others. Voters are fed up with the far-left Reid/Pelosi approach and it's downright comical that a second stringer like Trump is seen as popular with anyone.

The hatred and intolerance from the left that's directed at anyone to the right of Barbara Boxer--such as what we see on a daily basis directed at smart, beautiful, successful women like Sarah Palin--is unseemly at best. Speaking of Sarah, she's not hated for anything she says or having the power to affect anyone's life. She's simply hated for having that "R" associated with her. Hatred: What a colossal waste of energy.

I'm going to the gym now to use my energy in a good way.

17 calochortus  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:17:21pm

re: #16 rwmofo

rwmofo: I'm roflol

18 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:17:24pm

re: #16 rwmofo

Bye, troll. Your shit was as dumb as it always was.

19 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:17:46pm

re: #16 rwmofo

Yes, we know, we hate Palin not because she's a brain-dead bimbo, but because she's a "beautiful" brain-dead bimbo. *rolls eyes*

20 jamesfirecat  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:18:09pm

re: #16 rwmofo

Hmmm. How come Democrats have been losing a huge majority of elections since 2008? They've let the angry left marginalize their party. It's so out of the mainstream Joe Lieberman is seen as too far right. Joe Lieberman? Are you kidding? Senator Webb has also thrown in the towel as well as many others. Voters are fed up with the far-left Reid/Pelosi approach and it's downright comical that a second stringer like Trump is seen as popular with anyone.

The hatred and intolerance from the left that's directed at anyone to the right of Barbara Boxer--such as what we see on a daily basis directed at smart, beautiful, successful women like Sarah Palin--is unseemly at best. Speaking of Sarah, she's not hated for anything she says or having the power to affect anyone's life. She's simply hated for having that "R" associated with her. Hatred: What a colossal waste of energy.

I'm going to the gym now to use my energy in a good way.

"The hatred and intolerance from the left that's directed at anyone to the right of Barbara Boxer--such as what we see on a daily basis directed at smart, beautiful, successful women like Sarah Palin--is unseemly at best. Speaking of Sarah, she's not hated for anything she says or having the power to affect anyone's life. She's simply hated for having that "R" associated with her. Hatred: What a colossal waste of energy."

I don't think Stephen Colbert reads these forms but if he does make sure to leave your number so he can contact you if he ever needs an understudy....

21 bratwurst  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:18:11pm

re: #13 calochortus

I don't think the poll that has Trump at #2 means anything other than the GOP doesn't have any particularly good candidates, but that's just personal opinion.

My point was more along the lines of the moderately sane GOP leadership still having enough clout to fend off the some of the really whackadoodle teaparty stuff, and an interest in doing so. This is vaguely encouraging to those of us who would like a sound two party system. It is in no way an endorsement of any of their policies or a ringing endorsement of their return to sanity.

I totally agree on the first point.

I honestly do not see where there is much in the way of moderately sane GOP leadership though, much less any such leaders willing or able to fend off the lunatic fringe. I do wholeheartedly agree that this country needs at LEAST two sound political parties.

22 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:18:44pm

re: #14 marjoriemoon

Yea, but no one is going to listen to Frum. They listen to Paul Ryan, Mike Pence, Newt even the Freakin Donald. Did you hear Spence this morning on This Week. The man is outright liar!

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

He wants to stop "federally funded abortions by Planned Parenthood". But the GOP just eats it up.

On Meet the Press, Ryan tried to justify deep cuts into Medicare and privitizing it because "people are living longer." How is that justification? People are living longer, so maybe we should kill them by making it more difficult to obtain affordable healthcare at a time they need it most?

Who is killing granny now??

23 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:19:08pm

re: #16 rwmofo

One of the saddest and most pathetically silly right wing talking points is that people "hate" Sarah Palin.

They know it's bullshit, of course. They just say it to pump each other up. Nobody else buys it.

24 Artist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:19:26pm

re: #16 rwmofo

No now go away.

25 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:19:53pm

re: #22 marjoriemoon

On Meet the Press, Ryan tried to justify deep cuts into Medicare and privitizing it because "people are living longer." How is that justification? People are living longer, so maybe we should kill them by making it more difficult to obtain affordable healthcare at a time they need it most?

Who is killing granny now??

Yeah, but it's not rationing, so it's all good!

///

26 windsword  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:21:35pm

I'm going to go ahead and agree with Frum on #1, too. My understanding is that the first Democratic offer was $4 billion (or no cuts!), and Boehner's was $32 billion. The fact that the Republicans got more than their initial offer ($39 billion) is definitely a victory for them.

I don't think fighting for the social issues in the budget was insanity, it was an intentional, fairly common technique to get more money. Republicans realized that Democrats desperately wanted to avoid a government shutdown and would never anger their base by accepting the cuts, so they tacked provisions on they knew the Democrats would pay big to get removed. And it worked.

27 bratwurst  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:22:34pm

re: #23 Charles

One of the saddest and most pathetically silly right wing talking points is that people "hate" Sarah Palin.

What about the fact that he thinks she is SMART?!?!?!

28 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:22:52pm

re: #16 rwmofo

Hmmm. How come Democrats have been losing a huge majority of elections since 2008? They've let the angry left marginalize their party. It's so out of the mainstream Joe Lieberman is seen as too far right. Joe Lieberman? Are you kidding? Senator Webb has also thrown in the towel as well as many others. Voters are fed up with the far-left Reid/Pelosi approach and it's downright comical that a second stringer like Trump is seen as popular with anyone.

The hatred and intolerance from the left that's directed at anyone to the right of Barbara Boxer--such as what we see on a daily basis directed at smart, beautiful, successful women like Sarah Palin--is unseemly at best. Speaking of Sarah, she's not hated for anything she says or having the power to affect anyone's life. She's simply hated for having that "R" associated with her. Hatred: What a colossal waste of energy.

I'm going to the gym now to use my energy in a good way.

I'm still not agreeing with a word you're saying, but upding for 'Democrats'. Thank you!!

29 calochortus  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:23:47pm

re: #21 bratwurst

I totally agree on the first point.

I honestly do not see where there is much in the way of moderately sane GOP leadership though, much less any such leaders willing or able to fend off the lunatic fringe. I do wholeheartedly agree that this country needs at LEAST two sound political parties.

I agree, there's not much. in the way of sane leadership. I think Frum was encouraged that there was enough that they were able to avoid shutting the government down over social issues. It would have been a bad sign if they had.

Frum probably has dreams of this being the beginning of a rebirth for the sane GOP. I'd like to think the profound wingnuts are a temporary phenomenon, myself, but have no way of knowing.

30 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:24:09pm

re: #16 rwmofo

I do hate Palin and Bachmann. I think they are unintelligent buffoons and their ideology is dangerous to our nation. Luckily most people, including many Republicans have Palin's number.

I happen to like Pelosi and Reid and guess what, John Kerry too. And you may be surprised to know that does NOT make me a far left liberal. In fact, the far left liberals hate Pelosi. You didn't see those protests outside her home a few years back? Those people have gone so far left around the circle, they bump into the rightwing goons.

31 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:25:33pm

re: #18 Obdicut

Bye, troll. Your shit was as dumb as it always was.

oh fuck off...dissenting opinions used to be a good thing

32 calochortus  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:26:28pm

re: #31 albusteve

oh fuck off...dissenting opinions used to be a good thing

Not ones where someone throws out a few talking points and then heads off elsewhere.

33 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:26:43pm

re: #23 Charles

One of the saddest and most pathetically silly right wing talking points is that people "hate" Sarah Palin.

They know it's bullshit, of course. They just say it to pump each other up. Nobody else buys it.

I'm highly suspect of the 'smart' label....maybe that word needs redefining too

34 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:26:49pm

re: #31 albusteve

He's admitted he just trolls here. And his opinions aren't so much 'dissenting' as 'bearing no relationship with reality'.

35 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:26:54pm

re: #26 windsword

I don't think fighting for the social issues in the budget was insanity, it was an intentional, fairly common technique to get more money.

Sure, it was.

But I guess I'm still enough of a political outsider to find these kinds of tactics incredibly cynical. I understand why they do it, but it doesn't change the fact that it really, really sucks. And one of the reasons our political system is in big trouble is because this kind of cynicism is so widespread and accepted, instead of denounced.

36 jamesfirecat  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:27:04pm

re: #31 albusteve

oh fuck off...dissenting opinions used to be a good thing


They still are.

If you're willing to base your opinion on facts rather than bias.

37 calochortus  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:27:39pm

re: #33 albusteve

I'm highly suspect of the 'smart' label...maybe that word needs redefining too

Smart-you know, a snappy dresser.

38 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:27:41pm

re: #26 windsword

I'm going to go ahead and agree with Frum on #1, too. My understanding is that the first Democratic offer was $4 billion (or no cuts!), and Boehner's was $32 billion. The fact that the Republicans got more than their initial offer ($39 billion) is definitely a victory for them.

I don't think fighting for the social issues in the budget was insanity, it was an intentional, fairly common technique to get more money. Republicans realized that Democrats desperately wanted to avoid a government shutdown and would never anger their base by accepting the cuts, so they tacked provisions on they knew the Democrats would pay big to get removed. And it worked.

It's only a victory if you believe that Boehner won by getting his initial spending cut figure agreed upon, namely the $39 billion. If you're a Tea Partier, who salivated at the idea of $100 billion in cuts and was outright livid when he was only willing to go as high at $60 billion, then $39 billion is an insult. Especially when it includes none of the other items that seemed too good to be true, like defunding Planned Parenthood and NPR.

Really, it's a victory if you believe that compromise should be the foundation upon which all Congress' work is based and that meeting in the middle is the goal. But if you're the Tea Party, who believe compromise a dirty word and thinks that the wins in November meant you could rule with impunity, then it's not a victory, it's a surrender.

39 Lidane  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:31:14pm

re: #16 rwmofo

smart, beautiful, successful women like Sarah Palin

LOL

40 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:31:33pm

re: #38 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The Democrats were able to steer the cuts into a lot of areas less painful to them, as well.

It is sad that Obama and the Democrats feel the need to champion these cuts, instead of making the case for the increased spending and higher taxes that we should be doing. But that's American politics today. Even though the majority of the public supports higher taxes on the highest percentile of income earners, the Democrats lack the political balls to follow through.

41 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:32:21pm

re: #19 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yes, we know, we hate Palin not because she's a brain-dead bimbo, but because she's a "beautiful" brain-dead bimbo. *rolls eyes*

I cannot stand it that Sarah Palin is good-looking, it eats away at me...

And apparently something about Nancy Pelosi's high school yearbook photo upsets these two ladies'.

42 cat-tikvah  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:32:33pm

I'm still waiting for all our Congresspersons, but especially "get the government off our backs/get off the public teat" Republicans to, as a show of good faith, give up their taxpayer funded health care and buy their own. Oh, and I'd love to see all of them forego any and all perks of their office aside from one staffer. Need more? Pay for it out of your own pocket, pal.

Won't significantly affect the deficit but might increase some empathy.

Who was that new R in Congress who started wailing about his government health plan not kicking in soon enough? Try shelling out thousands for COBRA or self-insurance, friend.

43 sagehen  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:33:45pm

re: #16 rwmofo

Hmmm. How come Democrats have been losing a huge majority of elections since 2008?

A "huge majority" of elections? You mean the one and only election?

44 jamesfirecat  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:34:31pm

re: #43 sagehen

A "huge majority" of elections? You mean the one and only election?


///See they're batting 1000!

45 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:34:38pm

re: #42 cat-tikvah

The one, solitary area where I give Ron Paul respect is that he returns part of his budget to the US treasury.

The most hilarious incident like this recently has been the guy in Wisconsin defending his 170,000 a year salary as barely enough to live on, while attacking 'fat-cat' teachers.

46 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:35:14pm

re: #43 sagehen

A "huge majority" of elections? You mean the one and only election?

I think he's counting each election to office that took place during the mid-terms separately. In other words, 'the Democrats got shellacked in the midterms, and that must mean SOMETHING'.

47 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:35:47pm

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

Wow, she was a stunner.

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:36:05pm

re: #46 SanFranciscoZionist

I think he's counting each election to office that took place during the mid-terms separately. In other words, 'the Democrats got shellacked in the midterms, and that must mean SOMETHING'.

When Obama wins his second term, I plan to harp on this theme endlessly.

49 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:36:11pm

re: #43 sagehen

A "huge majority" of elections? You mean the one and only election?

or maybe he meant all the individual elections...that fits

50 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:36:30pm

re: #47 ProLifeLiberal

Wow, she was a stunner.

Pretty girl. She even makes that modified beehive style of the day look good.

51 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:37:03pm

re: #46 SanFranciscoZionist

I think he's counting each election to office that took place during the mid-terms separately. In other words, 'the Democrats got shellacked in the midterms, and that must mean SOMETHING'.

agreed

52 dragonfire1981  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:37:32pm

This analogy comes courtesy of a poster at another board I frequent, all credit goes to him, but I had to repost it because I think it really accurately describes the way things are right now:

"At this point the Republicans are the miserable brat holding their breath in the the backseat to get what they want, while the Democrats are the yuppie soccer mom promising him whatever he wants if he'll just wait till they get home. Americans, on the other hand, are the pedestrian the van plowed over at a crosswalk 6 blocks back because no one's looking outside."

53 windsword  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:37:34pm

re: #40 Obdicut

It is sad that Obama and the Democrats feel the need to champion these cuts, instead of making the case for the increased spending and higher taxes that we should be doing.


I'll grant you higher taxes, but I'm not entirely sure how increased spending is supposed to fix a budget deficit.

54 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:37:49pm

re: #40 Obdicut

The Democrats were able to steer the cuts into a lot of areas less painful to them, as well.

It is sad that Obama and the Democrats feel the need to champion these cuts, instead of making the case for the increased spending and higher taxes that we should be doing. But that's American politics today. Even though the majority of the public supports higher taxes on the highest percentile of income earners, the Democrats lack the political balls to follow through.

Oh, I think there's something to the idea of budget cuts, I remember one study into it showing that there's a great deal of "duplication of effort" and so forth that could be cut. But the idea that budget cuts are the sole means by which to tackle the deficit is simply partisan politics. The Republican ideology says that tax increases "only" lead to more spending while "taking" money out of the economy, so for them to admit that we need to raise some taxes or do away with some cuts/subsidies/loopholes in order to balance the federal checkbook is heresy.

55 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:38:56pm

re: #53 windsword

I'll grant you higher taxes, but I'm not entirely sure how increased spending is supposed to fix a budget deficit.

the Stimulus...we need another Stimulus

56 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:39:02pm

re: #16 rwmofo

I see the troll showed up for his daily trolling.

57 calochortus  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:39:03pm

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

I gather the picture was posted by the young and silly who think that what's current right now is the only attractive look that ever was. Pelosi's photo is a bit before my time, but clearly appropriate for its time. And yes, I think she was good looking too.

58 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:39:20pm

re: #53 windsword

I'll grant you higher taxes, but I'm not entirely sure how increased spending is supposed to fix a budget deficit.

I'm not trying to fix the budget deficit. I'm trying to avert AGW, which, unless we attack it with an enormous amount of research and spending on alternative energy, is going to cause far, far, far, far more economic damage than a simple deficit ever could.

The biggest way to target the deficit is to handle medical costs. That's the huge thing that's fucking us up right now. The best way to deal with that, I feel, is changing from a fee-for-service model of physician compensation to a more total-patient model, outcomes model, or any other system that doesn't provide monetary incentive for overusing resources.

59 sagehen  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:39:44pm

re: #45 Obdicut

The one, solitary area where I give Ron Paul respect is that he returns part of his budget to the US treasury.

The most hilarious incident like this recently has been the guy in Wisconsin defending his 170,000 a year salary as barely enough to live on, while attacking 'fat-cat' teachers.

Sean Duffy -- unlike Sarah, he did the reality TV thing long before running for office.

60 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:40:44pm

re: #54 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I wouldn't be worried if I thought the cuts were well-though-through. But cutting for the sake of cutting makes me think of what Reine says: The cuts are normally achieved by firing staff, but there's no actual reduction in their workload or the demand for their services.

Cutting something wasteful is great. Cutting something that's useful, or, worse, something that prevents larger costs down the road, is goddamn stupid.

Most of the cuts the GOP wanted-- like planned parenthood-- fall into the latter category.

61 sagehen  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:41:05pm

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

When Obama wins his second term, I plan to harp on this theme endlessly.

no nono... "elections have consequences" is a conditional. It only applies to one party. Kind of like "don't criticize the commander in chief during wartime," or "up or down vote no filibusters".

62 calochortus  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:41:42pm

re: #58 Obdicut

I absolutely approve of spending money now to save it in the long run. Not to mention little things like improving quality of life for most people.

63 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:41:52pm

re: #16 rwmofo

Hmmm. How come Democrats have been losing a huge majority of elections since 2008? They've let the angry left marginalize their party. It's so out of the mainstream Joe Lieberman is seen as too far right. Joe Lieberman? Are you kidding? Senator Webb has also thrown in the towel as well as many others. Voters are fed up with the far-left Reid/Pelosi approach and it's downright comical that a second stringer like Trump is seen as popular with anyone.

The hatred and intolerance from the left that's directed at anyone to the right of Barbara Boxer--such as what we see on a daily basis directed at smart, beautiful, successful women like Sarah Palin--is unseemly at best. Speaking of Sarah, she's not hated for anything she says or having the power to affect anyone's life. She's simply hated for having that "R" associated with her. Hatred: What a colossal waste of energy.

I'm going to the gym now to use my energy in a good way.

Yep, those voters were so fed up they reelected Harry Reid. ;-)

Regarding Palin, I personally don't think she's very smart, the more ugliness I've heard come out of her mouth, the less attractive she becomes, and her kind of success isn't the kind of success I admire. Be that as it may, I despise her for exactly what she says and the type of country she wants to turn this into, which, being an atheist, would make me a second class citizen.

64 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:42:22pm

I don't can how "pretty" Palin is or was, she's denser than a black hole and that's the last thing we need in the Oval Office. Personally, I've grown tired of the idea that voting for the president should be like voting for the next American Idol, that we're more worried about whether we'd have a beer with the guy/gal than whether they can run the country effectively. You wanna make fun over whether the guy eats a cheeseburger or pate, have at it, I just wanna know if he has some idea of what being president entails.

65 jamesfirecat  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:42:39pm

re: #53 windsword

I'll grant you higher taxes, but I'm not entirely sure how increased spending is supposed to fix a budget deficit.

Its not about fixing the budget deficit.

It is about fixing America which has a huge unemployment problem right now.

Get more people working, you'll have more people able to pay taxes, fewer needing government support and then you can worry about the deficit.

66 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:42:47pm

re: #19 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yes, we know, we hate Palin not because she's a brain-dead bimbo, but because she's a "beautiful" brain-dead bimbo. *rolls eyes*

Women hate her because she's so bee-yoo-tee-full and they are just jealous.

67 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:43:49pm

schnikeis

In case anyones interested, Tigers (Woods) is closing the noose, much like the "old Tiger"

4 Birdies and 1 Eagle in the final round of the Masters closing from 6 back to 1 back with 10 holes to play!

68 sagehen  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:43:50pm

re: #53 windsword

I'll grant you higher taxes, but I'm not entirely sure how increased spending is supposed to fix a budget deficit.

Classic Keynesian economics -- when private sector demand is drastically reduced, government spending has to pick up the slack or the economy grinds to a halt. Somebody somewhere has to be buying or building something -- then once things get going again, raise taxes and cut spending to pay back what you borrowed.

69 Lidane  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:44:10pm

re: #64 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I don't can how "pretty" Palin is or was, she's denser than a black hole and that's the last thing we need in the Oval Office.

Seriously. I had conservative and/or Republican friends here in Texas either stay home, vote third party, or hold their nose and vote Obama because they couldn't believe who McCain had chosen for his Veep. None of them wanted her anywhere near the nuke codes or in any kind of position to affect foreign policy.

70 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:44:59pm

re: #65 jamesfirecat

Its not about fixing the budget deficit.

It is about fixing America which has a huge unemployment problem right now.

Get more people working, you'll have more people able to pay taxes, fewer needing government support and then you can worry about the deficit.

sounds good...so how does increased fed spending lower unemployment in the private sector?...we know govt is growing by leaps and bounds

71 engineer cat  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:45:23pm

the war between The Genuine Original Conservative Republican Party (Wall St) and The Original Genuine Conservative Republican Party (Wingnut) continues

anybody want to make a bet on when the schism becomes official?

72 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:45:51pm

re: #67 sattv4u2

schnikeis

In case anyones interested, Tigers (Woods) is closing the noose, much like the "old Tiger"

4 Birdies and 1 Eagle in the final round of the Masters closing from 6 back to 1 back with 10 holes to play!

deja vu....years back, Tiger was NEVER out of it

73 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:46:27pm

re: #60 Obdicut

I wouldn't be worried if I thought the cuts were well-though-through. But cutting for the sake of cutting makes me think of what Reine says: The cuts are normally achieved by firing staff, but there's no actual reduction in their workload or the demand for their services.

Cutting something wasteful is great. Cutting something that's useful, or, worse, something that prevents larger costs down the road, is goddamn stupid.

Most of the cuts the GOP wanted-- like planned parenthood-- fall into the latter category.

Agreed all the way, if the cuts are to do away with redundancy or to streamline the process, then I'm all for them. Save money and save headaches at the same time. But if you're just cutting based upon party ideology, going after the things that your pundits say is "immoral" or a "give-away," then I'm not going to vote for you. There are plenty of cuts to be made, but ignoring obvious ones in order to spend time making a case for obscure ones is not a recipe for economic bliss, it's inviting future problems.

74 sagehen  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:47:17pm

re: #70 albusteve

sounds good...so how does increased fed spending lower unemployment in the private sector?...we know govt is growing by leaps and bounds

Infrastructure.

The gov't pays for the work, but the bulldozers and concrete and steel and contractors and their crews all come from the private sector.

75 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:47:19pm

re: #69 Lidane

Seriously. I had conservative and/or Republican friends here in Texas either stay home, vote third party, or hold their nose and vote Obama because they couldn't believe who McCain had chosen for his Veep. None of them wanted her anywhere near the nuke codes or in any kind of position to affect foreign policy.

just goes to show how astute Texas voters are...the rest of us had no idea who she was until after the election, for the most part

76 Lidane  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:47:26pm

re: #71 engineer dog

the war between The Genuine Original Conservative Republican Party (Wall St) and The Original Genuine Conservative Republican Party (Wingnut) continues

anybody want to make a bet on when the schism becomes official?

As soon as the GOP suffer a Mondale-style national defeat. That's what it took for the Dems to finally marginalize the moonbats and hippies, and it's what needs to happen for the socons and teabaggers to be sent into the GOP cornfield.

77 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:48:32pm

re: #74 sagehen

Infrastructure.

The gov't pays for the work, but the bulldozers and concrete and steel and contractors and their crews all come from the private sector.

where are the shovel ready jobs?...the Stimulus didn't stimulate did it?

78 Lidane  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:49:24pm

re: #75 albusteve

just goes to show how astute Texas voters are...the rest of us had no idea who she was until after the election, for the most part

To be fair, I'm in Austin. Since the state capitol is here, politics is all around.

My friends in Houston weren't so tuned in. I had FB friends from high school saying things like "Republicans have a woman on their ticket. What are the Dems offering in return?" I had to keep my mouth shut or risk starting a civil war among my friends.

79 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:49:41pm

re: #64 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I don't can how "pretty" Palin is or was, she's denser than a black hole and that's the last thing we need in the Oval Office. Personally, I've grown tired of the idea that voting for the president should be like voting for the next American Idol, that we're more worried about whether we'd have a beer with the guy/gal than whether they can run the country effectively. You wanna make fun over whether the guy eats a cheeseburger or pate, have at it, I just wanna know if he has some idea of what being president entails.

Somewhere along the way, my generation put physical attractiveness over substance. I'm not sure how we got there when the hippies really disdained that type of thought, but there you have it.

The "having a beer thing" I can more understand. "Likeability" is an important factor in politics and probably why Kerry didn't win in 2004. He came awfully close though. Had Kerry been a good-looking, more hip kinda guy, I think he would have had it.

80 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:49:45pm

re: #71 engineer dog

the war between The Genuine Original Conservative Republican Party (Wall St) and The Original Genuine Conservative Republican Party (Wingnut) continues

anybody want to make a bet on when the schism becomes official?

I'm figuring something between the end of the primaries and Election Day, when the Tea Party darlings crap out and they're left with the "Not Obama" candidate who gets his ass handed to him at the polls. After that, the Long Knives come out.

81 jamesfirecat  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:49:47pm

re: #70 albusteve

sounds good...so how does increased fed spending lower unemployment in the private sector?...we know govt is growing by leaps and bounds

The more people who have jobs the more people have disposal income to buy things from the private sector, which leads to the private sector creating more jobs to fill the need.

Easy peasy.

82 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:50:22pm

re: #61 sagehen

no nono... "elections have consequences" is a conditional. It only applies to one party. Kind of like "don't criticize the commander in chief during wartime," or "up or down vote no filibusters".

I don't get 'elections have consquences'. That seems self-evident. Someone wins the election. Then they're dog-catcher, or Senator or whatever. Why do people say that in such ominous tones?

83 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:53:17pm

re: #77 albusteve

where are the shovel ready jobs?...the Stimulus didn't stimulate did it?

I know it was unthinkable to a lot of people but this stimulus worked. It was a very serious political mistake for the Republicans to oppose it.

84 sagehen  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:53:57pm

re: #77 albusteve

where are the shovel ready jobs?...the Stimulus didn't stimulate did it?

Too much of the stimulus went to tax cuts (more than 1/3). People with jobs aren't the problem, it's people *without* jobs. If we'd hired 2 million construction workers to fix bridges and dams and water mains and gas mains and fill potholes and fix crumbling schools and do overdue maintenance on the power grid... we wouldn't have needed all that extended unemployment that we've squabbled over four times already.

85 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:53:59pm

re: #72 albusteve

deja vu...years back, Tiger was NEVER out of it

McIlroy just bogeyed again

Now a tie with Tiger at the top

86 calochortus  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:54:06pm

re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't get 'elections have consquences'. That seems self-evident. Someone wins the election. Then they're dog-catcher, or Senator or whatever. Why do people say that in such ominous tones?

Not enough drama in their lives otherwise?

87 engineer cat  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:54:38pm

re: #65 jamesfirecat

Its not about fixing the budget deficit.

It is about fixing America which has a huge unemployment problem right now.

Get more people working, you'll have more people able to pay taxes, fewer needing government support and then you can worry about the deficit.

i've despaired of offering explanations, since, as i'm sure will be demontrated, wingnuts have grown adept at failing to understand them, or missing the point

88 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:54:52pm

re: #79 marjoriemoon

Somewhere along the way, my generation put physical attractiveness over substance. I'm not sure how we got there when the hippies really disdained that type of thought, but there you have it.

The "having a beer thing" I can more understand. "Likeability" is an important factor in politics and probably why Kerry didn't win in 2004. He came awfully close though. Had Kerry been a good-looking, more hip kinda guy, I think he would have had it.

I'd honestly have to argue that "likability" can sometimes be exchanged for brute force. Nobody but his most ardent supporters thought Tricky Dick was anything but a slimeball, but he got shit done. We remember Watergate, but forget that his presidency was responsible for the EPA, OSHA, SSI, billions in federal budget cuts, and so forth.

89 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:56:03pm

re: #88 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'd honestly have to argue that "likability" can sometimes be exchanged for brute force. Nobody but his most ardent supporters thought Tricky Dick was anything but a slimeball, but he got shit done. We remember Watergate, but forget that his presidency was responsible for the EPA, OSHA, SSI, billions in federal budget cuts, and so forth.

and he was very sharp geopolitically...or so some say

90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:56:56pm

re: #78 Lidane

"Confound this Civil War. It almost like the country's being torn into two."
-Abe Lincoln, In My Own Words
-Bob Odenkirk

91 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:57:11pm

re: #77 albusteve

where are the shovel ready jobs?...the Stimulus didn't stimulate did it?

In response to you jobs question it takes just a second or two to google....
Bridge gets $38.5M in funding

Custer courthouse being renovated with stimulus funds

Big job growth seen in digitizing medical records

Research money at Southern Illinois University Carbondale expected to increase

Report details how has the stimulus affected area communities

...etc

92 blueraven  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:57:12pm

re: #70 albusteve

sounds good...so how does increased fed spending lower unemployment in the private sector?...we know govt is growing by leaps and bounds

Actually the private sector has been growing. The latest jobs report shows most of the new jobs are in the Private sector, and the losses are in the public sector.

93 jamesfirecat  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:57:15pm

re: #89 albusteve

and he was very sharp geopolitically...or so some say

Yep, his Southern Strategy shaped the modern face of the GOP.


In some might argue there isn't much left to the modern Republican Party EXCEPT the Southern Strategy....

94 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:01:23pm

re: #16 rwmofo

When you've got nothing of substance, just baffle people with bullshit, right?

95 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:01:35pm

re: #63 Sionainn

Yep, those voters were so fed up they reelected Harry Reid. ;-)

The voters were, in fact, by all accounts, fed up with Harry Reid, and if they had been given an even vaguely appealing Republican candidate, I bet they would have gone with that person.

However, they were fed up, not insane, so when given the option of Sharron Angle, they went with Harry Reid again.

96 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:01:40pm

re: #88 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

He was an effective bastard. And we need effectiveness.

97 blueraven  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:03:51pm

re: #92 blueraven

Actually the private sector has been growing. The latest jobs report shows most of the new jobs are in the Private sector, and the losses are in the public sector.

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

Who's hiring and who's not

Private businesses added 230,000 jobs. Since businesses started hiring again a year ago, they have now added 1.8 million jobs, with nearly a third of those jobs added in just the first three months of this year...

But while businesses continued to bring on new staff, public sector employers trimmed 14,000 jobs during the month, mostly at the local government level.

98 engineer cat  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:06:39pm

re: #70 albusteve

sounds good...so how does increased fed spending lower unemployment in the private sector?...we know govt is growing by leaps and bounds

it works by tax relief for wealth producers resulting in such a powerful economic boom that it wipes out the deficit. if we combine this with repealing burdensome regulation, the true genius of free market capitalism will lead to a better life for all! don't you democrats and liberals understand economics? president reagan has explained it all!

now that president reagan is in office and conservatism has triumphed for all time, his free market policies will lead to a propserity unequalled in american history, and liberals will become a thing of the past

99 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:11:29pm

re: #98 engineer dog

it works by tax relief for wealth producers resulting in such a powerful economic boom that it wipes out the deficit. if we combine this with repealing burdensome regulation, the true genius of free market capitalism will lead to a better life for all! don't you democrats and liberals understand economics? president reagan has explained it all!

now that president reagan is in office and conservatism has triumphed for all time, his free market policies will lead to a propserity unequalled in american history, and liberals will become a thing of the past

Don't laugh, I get told all the time that "Reagan proved tax cuts work!" They don't like to bring up that those cuts came alongside huge government spending, particularly in the defense sector. Or that the same level of economic growth was seen in the 90s, even after Clinton raised taxes in '93. If they do, they just wave off the Clinton numbers as "all due to the Dotcom Boom" and say that keeping the Reagan levels or even cutting them would have reaped even greater rewards.

Oh, and don't bring up that Reagan raised taxes just before the recession had ended in order to get deficits under control. Or that Bush Sr. had to do the same thing in order to tackle deficits let to him by St. Ron.

100 engineer cat  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:12:24pm

presidency was responsible for the EPA, OSHA, SSI

there aren't any politicians that far to the left in american politics today

101 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:13:51pm

re: #77 albusteve

where are the shovel ready jobs?...the Stimulus didn't stimulate did it?

Anyone who does their own taxes likely found that "Making work pay" credit quite stimulating, in addition to the "shovel ready projects."

102 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:15:02pm
103 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:15:13pm

re: #100 engineer dog

Well, Sanders.

104 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:15:52pm

re: #102 Stanley Sea

hahaha The Donald's Hair

What kind of waterfoul is that?

105 engineer cat  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:15:57pm

re: #99 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

true

but i'm old enough to remember when "reagan proved that deficits don't matter", too

106 The Left  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:16:54pm

re: #102 Stanley Sea

hahaha The Donald's Hair

It looks like an ectoplasmic life form trying to escape.

107 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:18:00pm

re: #106 iceweasel

It looks like an ectoplasmic life form trying to escape.

ha! how's your day going?

108 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:18:13pm

re: #102 Stanley Sea

hahaha The Donald's Hair

Did a bird land on his head...oh wait, that's his hair.

109 The Left  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:19:56pm

re: #107 Stanley Sea

ha! how's your day going?

Great! I'm avoiding spring cleaning. Made cookies instead. How are you?

110 Achilles Tang  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:22:04pm

OT. I'm am getting spam redirects from wikipedia.org. Can anyone try the same search and advise if they get it too, in case it is my PC?

search wikipedia for "CCC", then select the third hit under conservation organizations (other hits don't redirect me).

(I was wanting to research if people during the depression thought we were heading towards communism at the time).

111 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:23:04pm

re: #109 iceweasel

Great! I'm avoiding spring cleaning. Made cookies instead. How are you?

Good plan. I'm great today, it's beautiful, I'm out on the deck with the trusty laptop and nothing, nothing on the schedule. Lovely day for the Uterati. :)

112 The Left  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:24:25pm

re: #111 Stanley Sea

Good plan. I'm great today, it's beautiful, I'm out on the deck with the trusty laptop and nothing, nothing on the schedule. Lovely day for the Uterati. :)

Sounds wonderful and you deserve it. ;) YaY uterati!

113 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:24:50pm

Hi all! How is everyone!

114 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:25:23pm

re: #110 Naso Tang

OT. I'm am getting spam redirects from wikipedia.org. Can anyone try the same search and advise if they get it too, in case it is my PC?

search wikipedia for "CCC", then select the third hit under conservation organizations (other hits don't redirect me).

(I was wanting to research if people during the depression thought we were heading towards communism at the time).

I get the full wiki article

115 abolitionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:26:02pm

re: #110 Naso Tang

3rd item, Chilmark Community Center
No spam.

116 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:26:14pm

Reading the Palin birther thread I missed. Great comments.

117 CuriousLurker  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:26:16pm

re: #114 albusteve

I get the full wiki article

Me too.

118 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:26:17pm

it's Miller Time in the mountain west...

119 Achilles Tang  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:30:58pm

re: #114 albusteve

I get the full wiki article

This is weird. All other links work for me, except this one. I will do another virus scan, but I haven't heard of a virus working like this.

Any thoughts?

120 abolitionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:32:23pm

re: #110 Naso Tang

Sorry, you said under Conservative organizations: Civilian Conservation Corps
No spam.

121 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:33:44pm

re: #119 Naso Tang

This is weird. All other links work for me, except this one. I will do another virus scan, but I haven't heard of a virus working like this.

Any thoughts?

not from me...I'm zero help, I'm a troll not an IT guy

122 Kragar  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:33:52pm

The joys of Tax season, I'm gonna owe about 2 grand. Walked away and gonna run the numbers again later, but I'm pissed.

123 abolitionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:33:56pm

Gahh. conservation. Need new glasses. Try Malwarebytes.

124 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:38:59pm

re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist

The voters were, in fact, by all accounts, fed up with Harry Reid, and if they had been given an even vaguely appealing Republican candidate, I bet they would have gone with that person.

However, they were fed up, not insane, so when given the option of Sharron Angle, they went with Harry Reid again.

Latinos gave Harry Reid his victory. They were fed up with GOP racism. Still are.

125 Winny Spencer  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:40:04pm

re: #124 moderatelyradicalliberal

Latinos gave Harry Reid his victory. They were fed up with GOP racism. Still are.

The obtuse angle's overtly racist ads probably didn't help her cause.

126 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:42:04pm

re: #125 Winny Spencer

The obtuse angle's overtly racist ads probably didn't help her cause.

Nope.

127 Kragar  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:43:41pm

re: #124 moderatelyradicalliberal

Latinos gave Harry Reid his victory. They were fed up with GOP racism. Still are.

Or were those the Asians?
/

128 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:49:32pm

re: #122 kragar (proud to be kafir)

The joys of Tax season, I'm gonna owe about 2 grand. Walked away and gonna run the numbers again later, but I'm pissed.

why are you pissed?...are you a pinhead or a patriot?

129 Kragar  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:54:25pm

re: #128 albusteve

why are you pissed?...are you a pinhead or a patriot?

I knew I was going to owe some from a stock transaction, but it was about a grand more than I expected. The profits bumped me out of being able to claim a few other deductions.

130 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:56:02pm

re: #100 engineer dog

presidency was responsible for the EPA, OSHA, SSI

there aren't any politicians that far to the left in american politics today

Well, there are, but no one listens to Sanders. Or Kucinich.

131 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:57:29pm

re: #129 kragar (proud to be kafir)

I knew I was going to owe some from a stock transaction, but it was about a grand more than I expected. The profits bumped me out of being able to claim a few other deductions.

Sorry to hear it.

132 Gus  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:58:10pm

I think David Frum forgot something at the end of his piece: //. Birtherism seems to be at an all time high.

That being said I still believe that the conservative movement needs more guys like David Frum.

133 Gus  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:00:02pm

Furthermore! The direction it's going now is a lot more like the Honey Badger. ;)

134 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:00:21pm

Gah, ok I'm to the bad comments in the last thread. Rats? So racist, sorry.

135 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:01:18pm

re: #129 kragar (proud to be kafir)

I knew I was going to owe some from a stock transaction, but it was about a grand more than I expected. The profits bumped me out of being able to claim a few other deductions.

well, Uncle Sam can use the money...I vote patriot

136 unwashed masses  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:01:27pm

re: #119 Naso Tang

I've seen malware that did that, but it was all the google links, not just one. See if you can get it through here: http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm

137 Kragar  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:02:05pm

re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorry to hear it.

CA adjusting the deductions for dependent kids also hurt.

138 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:11:39pm

Managed to clean the apartment from top-to-bottom as a homecoming surprise for my wife.

Now time to make lemon-prosciutto risotto.

139 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:12:31pm

re: #138 Obdicut

Managed to clean the apartment from top-to-bottom as a homecoming surprise for my wife.

Now time to make lemon-prosciutto risotto.

YUM.

140 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:17:47pm

So I go hunting to see if one of my cousins is on Facebook, and I find a guy with no photo by the same name, but his catchphrase on the page is "If you can find cheaper pussy, fuck it", and I am quite sure that this is not my

a. Classy

and b. Gay

cousin. Perhaps he's using 'Daniel' rather than 'Danny' online.

141 Gus  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:17:55pm

Bob Dylan played a concert in Vietnam. First time and it was in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon).

142 blueraven  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:18:59pm

re: #138 Obdicut

Managed to clean the apartment from top-to-bottom as a homecoming surprise for my wife.

Now time to make lemon-prosciutto risotto.

Sounds good! I am getting hungry!

I am making fish for dinner. Talapia filets topped with homemade crust made from wheat rolls, toasted and run through the food processor with lemon basil from my garden, shallots and olive oil. I will be serving a spinach mushroom salad and Thai lime rice.

143 Gus  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:20:46pm

re: #141 Gus 802

Bob Dylan played a concert in Vietnam. First time and it was in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon).

Image: x999.jpg

More here.

144 CuriousLurker  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:21:04pm

re: #138 Obdicut

Managed to clean the apartment from top-to-bottom as a homecoming surprise for my wife.

Now time to make lemon-prosciutto risotto.

Typical East Coast liberal elitist food. //

I'm still trying to figure out why Trump is considered a Real American™. Apart from being a conservative (and now wingnut birther), he's the very picture of East Coast elite.

145 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:21:09pm

Heh, nothing quite as hilarious as watching the Right try to play up Friday night's escapades as a "huge win" for Boehner.

RW: "We won! The Democrats caved! We got the cuts!"
Me: "What cuts?"
RW: "Didn't you hear?! We got the Dems to cave to $39 billion in cuts!"
Me: "So, what cuts did we get them to agree to? What's the budget look like?"
RW: "Doesn't matter, we got cuts now and we'll get even more later! Obama is toast!"
Me: "And Boehner?"
RW: "Oh, we're primarying his ass out next year for selling us out, but today we celebrate him for getting the Dems to cave!"

And they're carting around the Ryan Plan like The Quotations of Chairman Mao, but have absolutely no clue what's in it besides a plan to go after Medicare and Medicaid.

146 Gus  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:21:18pm

re: #143 Gus 802

[Link: cache.daylife.com...] x999.jpg

More here.

Image again...

Image: x999.jpg

147 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:21:24pm

re: #139 Stanley Sea

YUM.

Me? Top Ramen! YAY! At least I have hot sesame oil and seaweed gosamio shake

[Link: www.edenfoods.com...]

bachelorette life...

148 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:21:55pm

Mmm dinner talk. I'm hungry now.

I have pork chops in the fridge. Now what to do with them.....

149 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:22:01pm

re: #140 SanFranciscoZionist

So I go hunting to see if one of my cousins is on Facebook, and I find a guy with no photo by the same name, but his catchphrase on the page is "If you can find cheaper pussy, fuck it", and I am quite sure that this is not my

a. Classy

and b. Gay

cousin. Perhaps he's using 'Daniel' rather than 'Danny' online.

OMG I just spit on my computer!

150 CuriousLurker  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:22:35pm

re: #143 Gus 802

[Link: cache.daylife.com...] x999.jpg

More here.

Love the background motif.

151 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:22:35pm

re: #149 Stanley Sea

OMG I just spit on my computer!

NAPKIN!

152 Gus  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:22:50pm

re: #148 Jadespring

Mmm dinner talk. I'm hungry now.

I have pork chops in the fridge. Now what to do with them...

I typically play Frisbee with my pork chops.

//

153 BongCrodny  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:23:13pm

re: #144 CuriousLurker

Typical East Coast liberal elitist food. //

I'm still trying to figure out why Trump is considered a Real American™. Apart from being a conservative (and now wingnut birther), he's the very picture of East Coast elite.


Trophy wives?

154 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:23:32pm

re: #152 Gus 802

I typically play Frisbee with my pork chops.

//

You have any video of that?

155 Gus  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:24:07pm

re: #150 CuriousLurker

Love the background motif.

The Eye of Horus?

156 CuriousLurker  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:24:33pm

re: #149 Stanley Sea

OMG I just spit on my computer!

Seaweed?? I'd just as soon lick an aquarium clean as eat anything with seaweed in it. *gag*

157 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:26:20pm

re: #156 CuriousLurker

Seaweed?? I'd just as soon lick an aquarium clean as eat anything with seaweed in it. *gag*

Oh it's go o o o d, makes crappy ramen bettah.

I seriously gasped/spit/lol'd on my computer reading SFZ's facebook search.

158 CuriousLurker  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:27:08pm

re: #153 BongCrodny

Trophy wives?

Ah, right, a la Newt. Family values!

159 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:27:55pm

re: #154 Jadespring

You have any video of that?

Hey. Apropos of nothing in this thread so far (i think...who am i, SFZ?), did you fix your 'puter well enough to play DAII yet???

160 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:28:11pm

re: #144 CuriousLurker

Typical East Coast liberal elitist food. //

I'm still trying to figure out why Trump is considered a Real American™. Apart from being a conservative (and now wingnut birther), he's the very picture of East Coast elite.

Same as Ann Coulter.

161 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:28:23pm

re: #144 CuriousLurker

Typical East Coast liberal elitist food. //

I'm still trying to figure out why Trump is considered a Real American™. Apart from being a conservative (and now wingnut birther), he's the very picture of East Coast elite.

His political donations are pretty left leaning too...
Trump’s Political Donations Are Left-Leaning

The wingnuts just like him because he's doing the birther thing.

162 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:29:21pm

re: #144 CuriousLurker

Typical East Coast liberal elitist food. //

I'm still trying to figure out why Trump is considered a Real American™. Apart from being a conservative (and now wingnut birther), he's the very picture of East Coast elite.

Because he's singing the right tune in the hopes of getting the nomination.

163 Interesting Times  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:30:01pm

re: #156 CuriousLurker

Seaweed?? I'd just as soon lick an aquarium clean as eat anything with seaweed in it. *gag*

Crispy, salted seaweed is actually good! Healthier version of potato chips :)

164 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:30:01pm

re: #141 Gus 802

Bob Dylan played a concert in Vietnam. First time and it was in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon).

inflicting his mediocrity elsewhere...thanks Bob!

165 CuriousLurker  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:30:10pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

His political donations are pretty left leaning too...
Trump’s Political Donations Are Left-Leaning

The wingnuts just like him because he's doing the birther thing.

Hah! That's a keeper, thanks.

166 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:30:12pm

Okay I figured it out. I'm going to cut up the chops and pan fry them in the bacon grease from breakie. Then make a coconut curry sauce for them. Then some steamed broccoli with butter. Sauteed spinach in the bacon grease too and some salad with oil and vinegar dressing.

167 Gus  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:30:23pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

His political donations are pretty left leaning too...
Trump’s Political Donations Are Left-Leaning

The wingnuts just like him because he's doing the birther thing.

Ha! Now why didn't I think of looking that up.

168 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:30:39pm

re: #159 Aceofwhat?

Hey. Apropos of nothing in this thread so far (i think...who am i, SFZ?), did you fix your 'puter well enough to play DAII yet???

Yep yep!

169 Gus  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:30:50pm

re: #164 albusteve

inflicting his mediocrity elsewhere...thanks Bob!

Whoa! Beat being put to sleep by Eric Clapton. :P

170 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:30:50pm

re: #157 Stanley Sea

Oh it's go o o o d, makes crappy ramen bettah.

I seriously gasped/spit/lol'd on my computer reading SFZ's facebook search.

Sorry 'bout that.

171 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:31:29pm

re: #148 Jadespring

Mmm dinner talk. I'm hungry now.

I have pork chops in the fridge. Now what to do with them...

My favorite marinade is Apple cider vinegar, garlic, honey, red pepper, salt and lemon zest (lemon grass if you have it around). I cook them on the grill but I suppose you could do them in the broiler.

172 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:32:39pm

re: #171 Killgore Trout

My favorite marinade is Apple cider vinegar, garlic, honey, red pepper, salt and lemon zest (lemon grass if you have it around). I cook them on the grill but I suppose you could do them in the broiler.

That sounds good. Yum.

173 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:33:45pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

His political donations are pretty left leaning too...
Trump’s Political Donations Are Left-Leaning

The wingnuts just like him because he's doing the birther thing.

It's fishy, if you ask me. Maybe i'm alone on this, but i have the distinct feeling that he sat down, drew a bunch of Venn diagrams representing what he (and maybe a strategist or two) thought were basic red-meat RW positions, and put them on like a cheap suit.

It's like real estate...the present value of potential GOP candidates is so low right now, i think he figured he could cherry-pick a few populist (anti-China) and TP (birther, pro-life) and get in on a downturn in the 'market', so to speak.

Again, maybe it's just me.

174 CuriousLurker  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:33:45pm

re: #163 publicityStunted

Crispy, salted seaweed is actually good! Healthier version of potato chips :)

*sticks fingers in ears, starts singing: LA LA LA LA...I can't hear you...*

NO. Seaweed is only good when it stays in the sea where it belongs. Except when I'm at the beach, the just the smell of it makes me nauseous.

175 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:34:31pm

re: #168 Jadespring

Yep yep!

And so? What do you think so far?

176 CuriousLurker  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:35:18pm

re: #171 Killgore Trout

My favorite marinade is Apple cider vinegar, garlic, honey, red pepper, salt and lemon zest (lemon grass if you have it around). I cook them on the grill but I suppose you could do them in the broiler.

That sounds like it would be good on chicken too. Yum.

177 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:35:19pm

I come to LGF for the political commentary and general nerdity, but I stay for the talk about haute cuisine that I'd neither be able to afford or cook with any degree of success. Guess that's the redneck in me, who thinks a bacon cheeseburger and home fries is a damned fine meal.

178 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:35:37pm

re: #169 Gus 802

Whoa! Beat being put to sleep by Eric Clapton. :P

"and the wind began to howl"

179 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:36:16pm

re: #173 Aceofwhat?

It's fishy, if you ask me. Maybe i'm alone on this, but i have the distinct feeling that he sat down, drew a bunch of Venn diagrams representing what he (and maybe a strategist or two) thought were basic red-meat RW positions, and put them on like a cheap suit.

It's like real estate...the present value of potential GOP candidates is so low right now, i think he figured he could cherry-pick a few populist (anti-China) and TP (birther, pro-life) and get in on a downturn in the 'market', so to speak.

Again, maybe it's just me.

You mean he's trying to be a Romney with a bit of charisma? Diabolical.

/

180 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:36:26pm

re: #174 CuriousLurker

*sticks fingers in ears, starts singing: LA LA LA LA...I can't hear you...*

NO. Seaweed is only good when it stays in the sea where it belongs. Except when I'm at the beach, the just the smell of it makes me nauseous.

Large spoonful into mouth. Phahhh - smell it?

181 Gus  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:36:31pm

re: #178 albusteve

"and the wind began to howl"

"Lay down sally"

182 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:36:36pm

Speaking of food. I started a different way of eating this week. It's wicked yummyand I feel better then I have in a long time. More energy and way less hunger during the day. Also lost over an inch off my hips in only week! About 4 or 5 pounds too!

I lurvs it so much.

183 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:37:09pm

re: #177 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I come to LGF for the political commentary and general nerdity, but I stay for the talk about haute cuisine that I'd neither be able to afford or cook with any degree of success. Guess that's the redneck in me, who thinks a bacon cheeseburger and home fries is a damned fine meal.

A bacon cheeseburger minus the home fries is an even better meal...dump the carbs, man...

184 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:37:11pm

re: #177 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Here is a suggestion. [Link: www.cooksillustrated.com...]

185 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:37:38pm

re: #182 Jadespring

Speaking of food. I started a different way of eating this week. It's wicked yummyand I feel better then I have in a long time. More energy and way less hunger during the day. Also lost over an inch off my hips in only week! About 4 or 5 pounds too!

I lurvs it so much.

pray tell?

186 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:37:51pm

re: #173 Aceofwhat?

It's fishy, if you ask me. Maybe i'm alone on this, but i have the distinct feeling that he sat down, drew a bunch of Venn diagrams representing what he (and maybe a strategist or two) thought were basic red-meat RW positions, and put them on like a cheap suit.

It's like real estate...the present value of potential GOP candidates is so low right now, i think he figured he could cherry-pick a few populist (anti-China) and TP (birther, pro-life) and get in on a downturn in the 'market', so to speak.

Again, maybe it's just me.


I think that's very possible. I don't think he even wants to be president. Like Palin he's just using his campaign (or the prospect of one) as advertising for reality show and book deals.

187 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:38:06pm

re: #182 Jadespring

Speaking of food. I started a different way of eating this week. It's wicked yummyand I feel better then I have in a long time. More energy and way less hunger during the day. Also lost over an inch off my hips in only week! About 4 or 5 pounds too!

I lurvs it so much.

small portions, more frequent meals, more protein?

188 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:38:10pm

re: #181 Gus 802

"Lay down sally"

the lowest point on Earth, and Clapton found it

189 CuriousLurker  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:38:10pm

re: #173 Aceofwhat?

It's fishy, if you ask me. Maybe i'm alone on this, but i have the distinct feeling that he sat down, drew a bunch of Venn diagrams representing what he (and maybe a strategist or two) thought were basic red-meat RW positions, and put them on like a cheap suit.

It's like real estate...the present value of potential GOP candidates is so low right now, i think he figured he could cherry-pick a few populist (anti-China) and TP (birther, pro-life) and get in on a downturn in the 'market', so to speak.

Again, maybe it's just me.

It's not just you. He's all about the money. Now our presidential election will be turned into freakish reality show.

190 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:38:38pm

re: #182 Jadespring

Details, please? I hate dieting...

191 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:38:51pm

re: #174 CuriousLurker

*sticks fingers in ears, starts singing: LA LA LA LA...I can't hear you...*

NO. Seaweed is only good when it stays in the sea where it belongs. Except when I'm at the beach, the just the smell of it makes me nauseous.

I don't like it either.
When I get sushi I want the soy wrap, not the seaweed wrap.
I don't like anything about it - the taste, the texture - ew.

192 bratwurst  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:39:07pm

re: #189 CuriousLurker

It's not just you. He's all about the money. Now our presidential election will be turned into freakish reality show.

Not like it had real far to go in that direction!

193 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:39:16pm

re: #175 Aceofwhat?

And so? What do you think so far?

I enjoyed it though not as much as the first one. I liked the new combat better it was more fun and the rogue is way better. The story was pretty good but didn't seem quite as deep. The ending was killer though. Caught me totally off guard.
The repeating areas bugged me though especially the caves being all the same. Made it feel not as expansive as the first one.

194 CuriousLurker  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:39:19pm

re: #180 Stanley Sea

Large spoonful into mouth. Phahhh - smell it?

Aaaarrrrrgh. I hate you! ///

195 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:39:21pm

re: #189 CuriousLurker

It's not just you. He's all about the money. Now our presidential election will be turned into freakish reality show.

"The Presidential Apprentice." At the end of the primaries, when Donald doesn't even come close, we can have Obama tell him "You're Fired."

196 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:39:56pm

re: #195 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

ROFL

197 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:40:11pm

re: #177 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I come to LGF for the political commentary and general nerdity, but I stay for the talk about haute cuisine that I'd neither be able to afford or cook with any degree of success. Guess that's the redneck in me, who thinks a bacon cheeseburger and home fries is a damned fine meal.

All it takes to make me happy is a McDonald's fish sandwich and a good cold beer.
And no, I am NOT a person of WalMart.

198 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:40:21pm

re: #189 CuriousLurker

It's not just you. He's all about the money. Now our presidential election will be turned into freakish reality show.

Eh, i think most democracies feel that their presidential elections have become too much show and too little substance, my dear lady. Such is life in our electronic age!

199 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:41:31pm

re: #185 Stanley Sea

pray tell?

It's pretty simple. No grains. No sugar. No vegetable oils except for olive and coconut oil. Lots of veggies, lots of meat and eggs and the best part lots of fat.

200 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:41:51pm

re: #193 Jadespring

I enjoyed it though not as much as the first one. I liked the new combat better it was more fun and the rogue is way better. The story was pretty good but didn't seem quite as deep. The ending was killer though. Caught me totally off guard.
The repeating areas bugged me though especially the caves being all the same. Made it feel not as expansive as the first one.

took the words right out of my mouth. and i also didn't feel quite as connected to my companions.

Mass Effect 2 set such an impossibly high bar...

201 CuriousLurker  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:42:10pm

re: #192 bratwurst

re: #198 Aceofwhat?

Sad, but true.

202 engineer cat  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:42:20pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

His political donations are pretty left leaning too...
Trump’s Political Donations Are Left-Leaning

The wingnuts just like him because he's doing the birther thing.

i distinctly remember that during his manufactured spat with rosie o donnel he was very polite on the whole issue of her being a lesbian in a way that would be unacceptable to to the fundie branch of the party - imho he is really a 'social liberal'

203 engineer cat  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:43:47pm

re: #173 Aceofwhat?

It's fishy, if you ask me. Maybe i'm alone on this, but i have the distinct feeling that he sat down, drew a bunch of Venn diagrams representing what he (and maybe a strategist or two) thought were basic red-meat RW positions, and put them on like a cheap suit.

It's like real estate...the present value of potential GOP candidates is so low right now, i think he figured he could cherry-pick a few populist (anti-China) and TP (birther, pro-life) and get in on a downturn in the 'market', so to speak.

Again, maybe it's just me.

heh

204 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:44:12pm

re: #176 CuriousLurker

That sounds like it would be good on chicken too. Yum.

I've never tried it on chicken but i bet it'd work.

205 steve_davis  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:44:20pm

re: #26 windsword

I'm going to go ahead and agree with Frum on #1, too. My understanding is that the first Democratic offer was $4 billion (or no cuts!), and Boehner's was $32 billion. The fact that the Republicans got more than their initial offer ($39 billion) is definitely a victory for them.

I don't think fighting for the social issues in the budget was insanity, it was an intentional, fairly common technique to get more money. Republicans realized that Democrats desperately wanted to avoid a government shutdown and would never anger their base by accepting the cuts, so they tacked provisions on they knew the Democrats would pay big to get removed. And it worked.

No, I'm pretty sure the ultra-right wing of the party fully expected that not only would the Democrats balk at cutting funding, but that they would indeed shut the government down over it. And they anticipated that it would be Democrats who'd constituents would force them to come back to the table, because it would be Democratic constituents who would by and large not have bought into the teaparty rhetoric and who would therefore be most angry when government stopped functioning. And when Democrats came back to the table, they would not only have to accept more, deeper cuts, but would also then be obligated to accept no funding for Planned Parenthood and a neutering of the EPA. Instead what happened was that the president and congressional leadership very cleverly jiujitsued the Republicans over the loss of public health services for 5 million women, and Republican leadership suddenly realized it was going to be going into the fire ass-first. So they cleared their heads of teaparty moonshine, drank the elixir of caffeinated clarity, and prevented the government from shutting down. If ultra-leftists on Daily Kos were just smart enough to figure it out, they'd realize that the president just pulled one of the cleverest tricks he could have in dealing with a strong-majority Republican House that has the full power to put whatever it wishes in a budget.

206 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:44:50pm

re: #200 Aceofwhat?

took the words right out of my mouth. and i also didn't feel quite as connected to my companions.

Mass Effect 2 set such an impossibly high bar...

Yes it did. I didn't feel quite as connected either. I liked most of them but it wasn't quite the same as DAI. Not sure why exactly. I thought the companion banter was just as good though. I laughed a lot at that.

207 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:44:52pm

re: #199 Jadespring

It's pretty simple. No grains. No sugar. No vegetable oils except for olive and coconut oil. Lots of veggies, lots of meat and eggs and the best part lots of fat.

the thermic effect is a powerful tool!

208 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:45:20pm

re: #191 reine.de.tout

I don't like it either.
When I get sushi I want the soy wrap, not the seaweed wrap.
I don't like anything about it - the taste, the texture - ew.

It's probably growing up in a largely Asian community, but I hardly notice it. It's just sort of a neutral thing you hold sushi together with. I don't really care for it plain, but with rice it just adds a little sea-taste.

209 sagehen  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:46:27pm

re: #199 Jadespring

It's pretty simple. No grains. No sugar. No vegetable oils except for olive and coconut oil. Lots of veggies, lots of meat and eggs and the best part lots of fat.

It's Pesach year round!

210 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:46:58pm

I think Frum has a good point. The Republican party was able to wring additional spending cuts out of the Democrats and it will be much easier for the GOP to disassociate itself from Trump than from Gingrich. Trump is also more likely to burn himself out, leaving the birthers without a champion.

211 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:48:33pm

re: #207 Aceofwhat?

the thermic effect is a powerful tool!

It is! The difference has been pretty amazing. I don't get highs or lows anymore. It's just steady throughout the day. I'm not getting any major swings between not hungry and holy cow I need to eat hungry. It's just nice a steady. More overall energy too even though on sheer volume size I'm eating less.

212 blueraven  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:49:05pm

re: #174 CuriousLurker

*sticks fingers in ears, starts singing: LA LA LA LA...I can't hear you...*

NO. Seaweed is only good when it stays in the sea where it belongs. Except when I'm at the beach, the just the smell of it makes me nauseous.

It is also useful to kill bugs in the garden. I use a commercial soap spray with seaweed in it. Seems to work pretty well.

213 engineer cat  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:49:58pm

re: #26 windsword

I'm going to go ahead and agree with Frum on #1, too. My understanding is that the first Democratic offer was $4 billion (or no cuts!), and Boehner's was $32 billion. The fact that the Republicans got more than their initial offer ($39 billion) is definitely a victory for them.

I don't think fighting for the social issues in the budget was insanity, it was an intentional, fairly common technique to get more money. Republicans realized that Democrats desperately wanted to avoid a government shutdown and would never anger their base by accepting the cuts, so they tacked provisions on they knew the Democrats would pay big to get removed. And it worked.

if that's what they had in mind then they made a major miscalculation, since the actual effects were 1) making it look like it was really all about ideological issues and not really about cutting spending, and 2) fatally dashing the hopes of greater wingnuttia when planned parenthood was not, after all, defunded

214 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:50:26pm

re: #212 blueraven

It is also useful to kill bugs in the garden. I use a commercial soap spray with seaweed in it. Seems to work pretty well.

Kelp also makes a great fertilizer!
BBL, project to finish.

215 CuriousLurker  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:51:32pm

re: #212 blueraven

It is also useful to kill bugs in the garden. I use a commercial soap spray with seaweed in it. Seems to work pretty well.

They no doubt die gagging from the seaweedy awfulness.//
Interesting though—I didn't know that.

216 engineer cat  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:52:24pm

It's like real estate...the present value of potential GOP candidates is so low

i'm beginning to think mitt might be wondering if it is really worth all the bs to run... and if he decides not to, the gop is gonna be in BIG trouble trying to find a plausible nominee

217 blueraven  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:52:29pm

re: #215 CuriousLurker

They no doubt die gagging from the seaweedy awfulness.//
Interesting though—I didn't know that.

LOL...could be!

218 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:53:31pm
219 bratwurst  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:54:28pm

re: #210 Dark_Falcon

Trump is also more likely to burn himself out, leaving the birthers without a champion.

Did you see the video in the thread below?

220 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:55:20pm

re: #205 steve_davis

No, I'm pretty sure the ultra-right wing of the party fully expected that not only would the Democrats balk at cutting funding, but that they would indeed shut the government down over it. And they anticipated that it would be Democrats who'd constituents would force them to come back to the table, because it would be Democratic constituents who would by and large not have bought into the teaparty rhetoric and who would therefore be most angry when government stopped functioning. And when Democrats came back to the table, they would not only have to accept more, deeper cuts, but would also then be obligated to accept no funding for Planned Parenthood and a neutering of the EPA. Instead what happened was that the president and congressional leadership very cleverly jiujitsued the Republicans over the loss of public health services for 5 million women, and Republican leadership suddenly realized it was going to be going into the fire ass-first. So they cleared their heads of teaparty moonshine, drank the elixir of caffeinated clarity, and prevented the government from shutting down. If ultra-leftists on Daily Kos were just smart enough to figure it out, they'd realize that the president just pulled one of the cleverest tricks he could have in dealing with a strong-majority Republican House that has the full power to put whatever it wishes in a budget.

Yep, they're trying to save face, now playing it up as a victory they got the Dems to "cave" to $39 billion in cuts, claiming that Boehner is some sort of negotiating genius by getting them to agree to the initial cut level. All the talk now is about how "Next time, we'll get the whole enchilada." About how that this "victory" will pave the way for future ones against Obama and the Senate Dems.

221 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:55:46pm

Dashi - Japanese Soup Stock

Kelp, bonito flakes and shitakes. Great for noodles!

222 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:56:35pm

re: #219 bratwurst

Did you see the video in the thread below?

If Palin's their champion, they're done. Her approval ratings are heading south like a duck in winter.

223 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:56:35pm

re: #218 Killgore Trout

Quagmire! Failure! Humiliation!
Gadhafi accepts 'road map' to end Libyan conflict, Zuma says

"Gaddafi's still there! We lost! Impeachment!"

224 Gus  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:56:46pm

I need a nap. Later.

225 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:57:46pm

re: #223 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"Gaddafi's still there! We lost! Impeachment!"

I would be surprised if it ended this easily. Q'Daffy's agreements usually don't last long.

226 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:59:45pm

re: #225 Killgore Trout

I would be surprised if it ended this easily. Q'Daffy's agreements usually don't last long.

but he was on the UN Human Rights council...surely he can be trusted to keep his word...

227 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 2:59:58pm

re: #210 Dark_Falcon

I think Frum has a good point. The Republican party was able to wring additional spending cuts out of the Democrats and it will be much easier for the GOP to disassociate itself from Trump than from Gingrich. Trump is also more likely to burn himself out, leaving the birthers without a champion.

I don't think you realize how much the assault on Planned Parenthood is going to cost you guys. In trying to destroy PP with blatant lies and then failing at the task Republicans managed to piss off damned near everyone.

228 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:00:26pm

re: #225 Killgore Trout

I would be surprised if it ended this easily. Q'Daffy's agreements usually don't last long.

he will be dead within 1 year anyway...time to move on and bomb the Ivory Coast before it's too late, and there are a couple more places that need a good bombin' too

229 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:00:34pm

re: #227 goddamnedfrank

I don't think you realize how much the assault on Planned Parenthood is going to cost you guys. In trying to destroy PP with blatant lies and then failing at the task Republicans managed to piss off damned near everyone.

Agreed.

230 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:01:31pm

re: #225 Killgore Trout

I would be surprised if it ended this easily. Q'Daffy's agreements usually don't last long.

Oh, I figure he'll try to make this one last at least a little while. If he tries any shit before year's end, the gloves will well and truly come off. Europe's not going to sit back and let him continue fucking with the spice...er, oil flow.

231 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:02:39pm

re: #227 goddamnedfrank

I don't think you realize how much the assault on Planned Parenthood is going to cost you guys. In trying to destroy PP with blatant lies and then failing at the task Republicans managed to piss off damned near everyone.

nah, in 15min the voters will be onto the next bone....I think you overestimate voter interest in anything besides hair and shoes....things tend to get a bit distorted around here

232 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:03:07pm

re: #223 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"Gaddafi's still there! We lost! Impeachment!"

Finishing this up with Gaddafi still in power doesn't make me at all happy. I wouldn't impeach over it, (I don't think you CAN impeach over it) but dayum, what the hell is it with Gaddafi?

233 engineer cat  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:03:21pm

so my 86 y/o uncle has a "new girlfriend"?

234 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:03:31pm

Palestinian cease fire going as predicted....
IDF conditionally ceases air strikes on Hamas targets

The IDF stopped its air strikes against Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip on Sunday after Palestinian terror groups cut back on rocket attacks against Israel, in what appeared to be the beginning of a shaky cease-fire. The decision was made shortly before a Kassam rocket exploded near Ashkelon. No injuries were reported and no damage was caused.

235 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:04:02pm

re: #230 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh, I figure he'll try to make this one last at least a little while. If he tries any shit before year's end, the gloves will well and truly come off. Europe's not going to sit back and let him continue fucking with the spice...er, oil flow.

spice....clever
good one

236 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:05:16pm

re: #232 SanFranciscoZionist

Finishing this up with Gaddafi still in power doesn't make me at all happy. I wouldn't impeach over it, (I don't think you CAN impeach over it) but dayum, what the hell is it with Gaddafi?

he enjoys breathing

237 CuriousLurker  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:05:44pm

I have more chores to finish and emails to answer, but a little bit of trivia I discovered this weekend.

You know how President Bush used to say "You're either with us, or against us"? I think it's one of those religious right dog whistles:

He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me, scatters. —Bible, Luke 11:23 (Jesus a.s. speaking)

I originally found the reference to it on this page (Google cache), which warns Christians not to "fellowship with unbelievers" (don't ask how I got there, I don't remember).

Anyway, I'm out for now. Enjoy your Sunday afternoon/evening.

238 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:06:36pm

re: #231 albusteve

nah, in 15min the voters will be onto the next bone...I think you overestimate voter interest in anything besides hair and shoes...things tend to get a bit distorted around here

What it is is a chink in the GOP's armor, in it's vaunted plan to kill social spending programs in toto. The GOP lost any momentum they thought they'd built up last week when the Dems agreed to a number, but refused to allow the GOP to get their riders. Their narrative came to a crashing halt when it went from them being courageous budget cutters looking to slay the deficits to ideologues putting people's livelihoods in danger because they wanted to argue over government pocket change.

239 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:06:45pm

SFZ -- you on?

240 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:07:16pm

re: #227 goddamnedfrank

I don't think you realize how much the assault on Planned Parenthood is going to cost you guys. In trying to destroy PP with blatant lies and then failing at the task Republicans managed to piss off damned near everyone.

In a year, no one will remember it.

241 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:07:23pm

re: #227 goddamnedfrank

I don't think you realize how much the assault on Planned Parenthood is going to cost you guys. In trying to destroy PP with blatant lies and then failing at the task Republicans managed to piss off damned near everyone.

What I'm going to remember is that when push came to shove, it wasn't about fiscal responsibility, it was lying about women's health again.

242 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:07:23pm

re: #211 Jadespring

It is! The difference has been pretty amazing. I don't get highs or lows anymore. It's just steady throughout the day. I'm not getting any major swings between not hungry and holy cow I need to eat hungry. It's just nice a steady. More overall energy too even though on sheer volume size I'm eating less.

also, don't let anyone tell you that you're raising your cholesterol. that's been shown to be bunk.

243 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:08:10pm

re: #233 engineer dog

so my 86 y/o uncle has a "new girlfriend"?

somebody needs to buy that man a drink.

244 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:08:11pm

OH, BTW, Politifact has put up "Politifact's Guide To Barack Obama's Birth Certificate", for those of you hoping to catch up on all of this.

:)

245 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:08:15pm

re: #234 Killgore Trout

Palestinian cease fire going as predicted...
IDF conditionally ceases air strikes on Hamas targets

every time a Kassam vanishes into thin air, it is a reflection on the Hamas strategy, like using a flyswatter...bunch of Three Stooges in charge

246 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:08:32pm

re: #228 albusteve

he will be dead within 1 year anyway...time to move on and bomb the Ivory Coast before it's too late, and there are a couple more places that need a good bombin' too

Just bomb everything.

247 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:09:19pm

re: #236 albusteve

he enjoys breathing

I get that part, but how does he get away with this shit? The man has, like, nine lives or something.

248 blueraven  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:09:56pm

re: #240 Dark_Falcon

In a year, no one will remember it.

Women will, and so will their daughters and the father of daughters...

249 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:10:07pm

re: #239 eclectic infidel

SFZ -- you on?

Da, tovarisch.

250 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:10:12pm

re: #247 SanFranciscoZionist

I get that part, but how does he get away with this shit? The man has, like, nine lives or something.

tiger blood and adonis DNA!

251 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:11:23pm

re: #242 Aceofwhat?

also, don't let anyone tell you that you're raising your cholesterol. that's been shown to be bunk.

Yes I know that now. :) I've spent the last two weeks reading about it so I'm not concerned anymore. It's pretty cool. No more feeling guilty about eating lots of eggs. Which is good because my hens are laying like crazy...
Besides I'm getting blood work done tomorrow as part of my yearly physical so will have a base number to go on. I'm going to get it checked again in a few months to see if anything has changed.

252 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:13:00pm

re: #238 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What it is is a chink in the GOP's armor, in it's vaunted plan to kill social spending programs in toto. The GOP lost any momentum they thought they'd built up last week when the Dems agreed to a number, but refused to allow the GOP to get their riders. Their narrative came to a crashing halt when it went from them being courageous budget cutters looking to slay the deficits to ideologues putting people's livelihoods in danger because they wanted to argue over government pocket change.

the media is a two edged sword...maybe the TPs will die by it....it's really hard to predict, which is why I might be over snarky when it comes to every Joe knowing what's gonna happen...the GOP has officially gone monger a while back and it will take time to let the mania soak in and then be repulsed, if it is

253 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:13:49pm

re: #249 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm stunned. You must've read THAT email by now...

We're the assholes because we refused to drink the kool aid.

Sadly believable.

254 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:15:44pm

re: #247 SanFranciscoZionist

I get that part, but how does he get away with this shit? The man has, like, nine lives or something.

layer upon layer of high security....he's surrounded by killers, both in camos and three pc suits

255 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:15:49pm

re: #248 blueraven

Women will, and so will their daughters and the father of daughters...

No, they won't. Something else will come up and people will focus on that. This sort of short term budget battle won't be remembered by anyone but political junkies.

256 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:18:01pm

re: #251 Jadespring

Yes I know that now. :) I've spent the last two weeks reading about it so I'm not concerned anymore. It's pretty cool. No more feeling guilty about eating lots of eggs. Which is good because my hens are laying like crazy...
Besides I'm getting blood work done tomorrow as part of my yearly physical so will have a base number to go on. I'm going to get it checked again in a few months to see if anything has changed.

Here's a good study, if you haven't already read it.

The lipids results are pretty clear. From the study:

At all time points, the statistically significant findings for HDL-C and triglycerides concentrations favored the Atkins group (Table 3). Changes in LDL-C concentrations at 2 months favored the LEARN and Ornish diets over the Atkins diet; however, these differences diminished and were no longer significant at 6 and 12 months. Non-HDL-C differences among groups were not significant at any time point.

.

257 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:18:38pm

re: #252 albusteve

the media is a two edged sword...maybe the TPs will die by it...it's really hard to predict, which is why I might be over snarky when it comes to every Joe knowing what's gonna happen...the GOP has officially gone monger a while back and it will take time to let the mania soak in and then be repulsed, if it is

It's the little things, the things lost to the sands of time, that can bring down political parties. When it was Newt pulling the plug back in '95, the thing that ruled the narrative for a while was the rumor that Newt was doing it all because he'd been "snubbed" by Clinton by refusing to let him ride on Air Force One. The authenticity of that claim is debatable, but it was enough back then to make it look less like a courageous stand on Newt's part and more like a petty squabble.

In this case, the GOP lost the momentum the moment it ceased being about cuts and instead became about riders that were ideologically motivated. Sure, folks may forget about the Planned Parenthood riders weeks or months from now, but that it was there to derail the GOP is enough.

258 Achilles Tang  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:21:11pm

re: #227 goddamnedfrank

I don't think you realize how much the assault on Planned Parenthood is going to cost you guys. In trying to destroy PP with blatant lies and then failing at the task Republicans managed to piss off damned near everyone.

Everyone except those who sincerely believe that PP is in the business for profit from performing 90% of all abortions, and that is more people than you might like.

259 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:21:32pm

re: #253 eclectic infidel

I'm stunned. You must've read THAT email by now...

We're the assholes because we refused to drink the kool aid.

Sadly believable.


Yeah.

Actually, if you tot up the other side's claims, we are simultaneously monsters who drove off the Herb through intolerance, and pathetic wussies who can't deal with being continually attacked for being intolerant of flat-out bigotry.

I also appreciated, this week, being told that only the BAD Koranic verses count. I wonder if the lady in question understands that the Koran is not laid out in order of revelation?

I got limits. And one of them is being told that when Lara Logan is assaulted in a crowd, it's because of Islam, but when Muslim women in Bosnia are systemically raped by Christians, that's just, well, you know, bad shit happens.

(Hi, everyone. The drama continues.)

260 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:22:50pm

re: #255 Dark_Falcon

No, they won't. Something else will come up and people will focus on that. This sort of short term budget battle won't be remembered by anyone but political junkies.

yup, the MSM has done a perfect job of making news droolers out of ordinary, non suspecting TV viewers...wow, what a plan...anyway they now have a never ending depository to regurgitate pablum and the voters suck it up faster and with more gusto all the time...enter the internet and addiction to tripe blew the meter...but it's ALWAYS there

261 bratwurst  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:22:53pm

re: #255 Dark_Falcon

No, they won't. Something else will come up and people will focus on that. This sort of short term budget battle won't be remembered by anyone but political junkies.

Those of us who feel strongly about this issue are going to be spending our time and money to make SURE people remember this...count on it.

262 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:23:10pm

re: #255 Dark_Falcon

No, they won't. Something else will come up and people will focus on that. This sort of short term budget battle won't be remembered by anyone but political junkies.

You're high. You have no idea how badly your guys fucked up on this one. PP is where many women go to get their yearly lady parts exam, especially the uninsured ones. This was a colossal mistake. Of course you're not a woman, and you've stated that you have no interest in being with a woman romantically, so it's easy to see how threatening women's health care with blatant lies doesn't strike you as being a big deal. It is a huge deal, this won't simply go away.

263 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:25:14pm

re: #256 Aceofwhat?

Here's a good study, if you haven't already read it.

The lipids results are pretty clear. From the study:

.

Haven't read that one. Thanks.
I'm not doing Atkins though. It's lower carb but not low, low like Atkins starts out with. Same idea though in terms of metabolism. It's also just as much about getting fit and building up lean muscle mass at the same time. I tried Atkins once years ago and absolutely hated it. Made me feel ill and horrible.

264 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:26:58pm

re: #259 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah.

Actually, if you tot up the other side's claims, we are simultaneously monsters who drove off the Herb through intolerance, and pathetic wussies who can't deal with being continually attacked for being intolerant of flat-out bigotry.

I also appreciated, this week, being told that only the BAD Koranic verses count. I wonder if the lady in question understands that the Koran is not laid out in order of revelation?

I got limits. And one of them is being told that when Lara Logan is assaulted in a crowd, it's because of Islam, but when Muslim women in Bosnia are systemically raped by Christians, that's just, well, you know, bad shit happens.

(Hi, everyone. The drama continues.)

What drama did I miss this time? Who is the Herb?

265 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:27:07pm

re: #255 Dark_Falcon

No, they won't. Something else will come up and people will focus on that. This sort of short term budget battle won't be remembered by anyone but political junkies.

This isn't a budget battle issue. No one will remember the budget battle. What they will remember is that when the crunch was one, Republican congressmen made taking money from women's health care a priority, and they lied shamelessly to do it.

That's not something a lot of people are going to forgive or forget quickly,

266 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:27:46pm

re: #263 Jadespring

Haven't read that one. Thanks.
I'm not doing Atkins though. It's lower carb but not low, low like Atkins starts out with. Same idea though in terms of metabolism. It's also just as much about getting fit and building up lean muscle mass at the same time. I tried Atkins once years ago and absolutely hated it. Made me feel ill and horrible.

Yeah, that's why i thought the study was so interesting when it came out...because the Adkins diet is pretty extreme, and yet the supposedly negative effects were nowhere to be found.

Glad you're feeling well!

267 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:28:41pm

re: #258 Naso Tang

Everyone except those who sincerely believe that PP is in the business for profit from performing 90% of all abortions, and that is more people than you might like.

Might have something to do with the fact that apparently Senators are now quite happy to pull totally BS statistics out of their asses.

268 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:29:41pm

re: #264 EmmmieG

What drama did I miss this time? Who is the Herb?

This is high drama going on in a real-time group EI and I are attached to.

We keep bringing it in here.

269 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:30:32pm

re: #268 SanFranciscoZionist

This is high drama going on in a real-time group EI and I are attached to.

We keep bringing it in here.

Oh, good.

I couldn't figure out what you are talking about and I thought my mind was going.

Well, going more than it already has.

270 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:30:57pm

What color is the sky on Frum's planet?

271 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:30:57pm

Hell, the recent fire and brimstone lobbed in the halls of Congress over Planned Parenthood is gonna be tame compared to what we'll see when they start talking seriously about the Ryan Plan. Privatizing Medicare? Putting Medicaid on block grants? The working class is gonna shit a collective brick.

272 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:30:59pm

re: #262 goddamnedfrank

GAZE

273 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:31:04pm

re: #258 Naso Tang

Everyone except those who sincerely believe that PP is in the business for profit from performing 90% of all abortions, and that is more people than you might like.

Fewer now that Kyl admitted he intentionally lied on the floor of the Senate.

274 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:31:25pm

re: #266 Aceofwhat?

Yeah, that's why i thought the study was so interesting when it came out...because the Adkins diet is pretty extreme, and yet the supposedly negative effects were nowhere to be found.

Glad you're feeling well!

Well, there are two things to remember about the Atkins diet.

First, we really don't know what the long-terms effects of it are, because no one but Atkins has ever been able to stand being on it long enough to get any long-terms effects.

Secondly, Atkins did not die from slipping and breaking his hip on an icy pavement. He slipped on a pat of butter. If there had been a roll under it, he might still be with us.

;)

275 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:31:33pm

re: #270 Varek Raith

What color is the sky on Frum's planet?

Rose red.

276 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:31:48pm

re: #272 Dark_Falcon

Frank isn't the one who blatantly lied to the American people to try to get an agency that does charitable work in the community defunded, Dark.

Why not GAZE those that did that, instead?

277 allegro  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:32:24pm

re: #262 goddamnedfrank

You're high. You have no idea how badly your guys fucked up on this one. PP is where many women go to get their yearly lady parts exam, especially the uninsured ones. This was a colossal mistake. Of course you're not a woman, and you've stated that you have no interest in being with a woman romantically, so it's easy to see how threatening women's health care with blatant lies doesn't strike you as being a big deal. It is a huge deal, this won't simply go away.

This. I doubt I could talk to any woman I met on the street who doesn't have a personal story to tell about her experiences with PP, usually during late teens/early 20s. It's a safe place where young women can go to get birth control and good information, always within an atmosphere of respect. My experiences go back to 1970s, my college days, when I was becoming sexually active but didn't feel comfortable going to the family doctor. PP was there for me as it has been for every other young woman in the same place.

Nope. We will not forget.

278 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:32:27pm

re: #263 Jadespring

Haven't read that one. Thanks.
I'm not doing Atkins though. It's lower carb but not low, low like Atkins starts out with. Same idea though in terms of metabolism. It's also just as much about getting fit and building up lean muscle mass at the same time. I tried Atkins once years ago and absolutely hated it. Made me feel ill and horrible.

yes, and the by-product of building muscle both (a) diverts what carbohydrates you do eat to glycogen storage in your muscles rather than to fat storage and (b) increases your resting metabolic rate!

279 albusteve  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:32:28pm

the War On Women...
JUST SAY NO!

280 Achilles Tang  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:32:33pm

re: #267 SanFranciscoZionist

Might have something to do with the fact that apparently Senators are now quite happy to pull totally BS statistics out of their asses.

..have been for some time.

281 Achilles Tang  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:34:14pm

re: #273 goddamnedfrank

Fewer now that Kyl admitted he intentionally lied on the floor of the Senate.

If he said that I didn't hear it and if anyone of his flock did then they need only rely on the usual cognitive dissonance that they have been so well trained in.

282 bratwurst  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:34:31pm

re: #276 Obdicut

Frank isn't the one who blatantly lied to the American people to try to get an agency that does charitable work in the community defunded, Dark.

Why not GAZE those that did that, instead?

How sad is it when you pin your parties hopes of attracting non socon voters on the expectation that they have a short attention span?

283 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:34:46pm

re: #274 SanFranciscoZionist
Secondly, Atkins did not die from slipping and breaking his hip on an icy pavement. He slipped on a pat of butter. If there had been a roll under it, he might still be with us.

That is a hoot. :)

284 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:35:35pm

re: #274 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, there are two things to remember about the Atkins diet.

First, we really don't know what the long-terms effects of it are, because no one but Atkins has ever been able to stand being on it long enough to get any long-terms effects.

Secondly, Atkins did not die from slipping and breaking his hip on an icy pavement. He slipped on a pat of butter. If there had been a roll under it, he might still be with us.

;)

nicely done!

although one year of consistent eating patterns is enough to determine a trend. lipid and blood pressure measurements both decreased in the Adkins group at the same or greater rate as participants in different diet schemes.

of course, one still needs to eat their vitamins!

285 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:36:56pm
286 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:37:04pm

re: #276 Obdicut

Frank isn't the one who blatantly lied to the American people to try to get an agency that does charitable work in the community defunded, Dark.

Why not GAZE those that did that, instead?

maybe it was the personal attack in the post?

287 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:38:49pm

Oh hai.

I've been cleaning out the kitchen all day. The cleaning crew is coming tomorrow while I'm at work, and I want them to clean the fridge, so I'm taking out everything except what we're going to be eating this week.

I'm going to make a big salad from all the leftover veggies and feta cheese, and take all the pita breads and yogurts and leftover mac & cheese to work for lunch all week.

288 blueraven  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:39:22pm

re: #255 Dark_Falcon

No, they won't. Something else will come up and people will focus on that. This sort of short term budget battle won't be remembered by anyone but political junkies.

You are wrong on that my friend. Women are like elephants when someone is fucking with their health issues, they never forget. And they are like mama bears when it affects their children. Yes, I am a liberal Mama grizzly.

289 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:39:56pm

re: #263 Jadespring

Haven't read that one. Thanks.
I'm not doing Atkins though. It's lower carb but not low, low like Atkins starts out with. Same idea though in terms of metabolism. It's also just as much about getting fit and building up lean muscle mass at the same time. I tried Atkins once years ago and absolutely hated it. Made me feel ill and horrible.

I tried Atkins several years ago, too, and although it worked like a mo-fo, and I felt fine, I had a strange taste in my mouth the whole time. Pretty hard to describe, but it reminded me of burned coffee.

290 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:41:54pm

re: #289 negativ

I tried Atkins several years ago, too, and although it worked like a mo-fo, and I felt fine, I had a strange taste in my mouth the whole time. Pretty hard to describe, but it reminded me of burned coffee.

What was the thing with the pee strips? All I know is I never reached the point where I was supposed to, but the bacon was fab.

291 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:42:41pm

re: #286 Aceofwhat?

maybe it was the personal attack in the post?


Nahhh

292 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:43:41pm

re: #286 Aceofwhat?

maybe it was the personal attack in the post?

What personal attack? Dark has repeatedly stated that he has no interest in having a romantic relationship with a woman. It's a perfectly valid choice and he doesn't keep it a secret. However if he was interested in having such life experiences he might be exposed to other viewpoints and have a better idea of how many women tend think and feel about having their healthcare threatened with lies.

293 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:45:09pm

re: #290 Stanley Sea

What was the thing with the pee strips? All I know is I never reached the point where I was supposed to, but the bacon was fab.

It's so you can find out if you're in ketosis or not.

If the diet is changed from a highly glycemic diet to a diet that does not provide sufficient carbohydrate to replenish glycogen stores, the body goes through a set of stages to enter ketosis. During the initial stages of this process, blood glucose levels are maintained through gluconeogenesis, and the adult brain does not burn ketones; however, the brain makes immediate use of this important substrate for lipid synthesis in the brain. After about 48 hours of this process, the brain starts burning ketones in order to more directly use the energy from the fat stores that are being depended upon, and to reserve the glucose only for its absolute needs, thus avoiding the depletion of the body's protein store in the muscles.[6]

Ketosis is deliberately induced by use of a ketogenic diet as a medical intervention in cases of non-responsive epilepsy.[5] Other uses of low-carbohydrate diets remain controversial.[7][8]

294 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:47:41pm

re: #278 Aceofwhat?

yes, and the by-product of building muscle both (a) diverts what carbohydrates you do eat to glycogen storage in your muscles rather than to fat storage and (b) increases your resting metabolic rate!

Yep yep! It's a win win!

Part of my motivation to get more fit is not only for health reasons so that I can eat more carbs. Especially potatoes. I lurvs potatoes. Good thing is though I won't have to feel guilty about slathering them with lots of real butter. Another win! :D

295 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:47:42pm

re: #287 Alouette

Oh hai.

I've been cleaning out the kitchen all day. The cleaning crew is coming tomorrow while I'm at work, and I want them to clean the fridge, so I'm taking out everything except what we're going to be eating this week.

I'm going to make a big salad from all the leftover veggies and feta cheese, and take all the pita breads and yogurts and leftover mac & cheese to work for lunch all week.

I'm cooking for the second night at my parents'. I need to get my mom a shopping list.

296 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:48:05pm

re: #256 Aceofwhat?

Here's a good study, if you haven't already read it.

The lipids results are pretty clear. From the study:

.

My dad's on the Ornish program...has been for about ten years now which his cardiovascular surgeon recommended right after he got a triple bypass at the age of 56. His cholesterol is very low now and he has actually reversed some of the heart disease that he had with actual regrowth of some arteries to increase blood flow to his heart. It's pretty amazing.

297 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:49:04pm

re: #289 negativ

I tried Atkins several years ago, too, and although it worked like a mo-fo, and I felt fine, I had a strange taste in my mouth the whole time. Pretty hard to describe, but it reminded me of burned coffee.

yep. ketosis. you'll have that if you limit the carbs severely enough.

I don't actually like the Adkins diet merely for the fact that it's a diet. What Jade is doing is a lifestyle change, which IMHO is the only way to go about making permanent improvements to one's health.

298 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:50:16pm

re: #292 goddamnedfrank

What personal attack? Dark has repeatedly stated that he has no interest in having a romantic relationship with a woman. It's a perfectly valid choice and he doesn't keep it a secret. However if he was interested in having such life experiences he might be exposed to other viewpoints and have a better idea of how many women tend think and feel about having their healthcare threatened with lies.

Thats a helluva leap

So I guess every gay man musn't care about womens health care either, because they have no desire to have a romantic relationship with a woman

299 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:51:32pm

re: #292 goddamnedfrank

What personal attack? Dark has repeatedly stated that he has no interest in having a romantic relationship with a woman. It's a perfectly valid choice and he doesn't keep it a secret. However if he was interested in having such life experiences he might be exposed to other viewpoints and have a better idea of how many women tend think and feel about having their healthcare threatened with lies.

Or he might be involved with a woman who doesn't care for planned parenthood. Either way, his openness doesn't mean that you're allowed to take what he offered about his personal life and throw it back in his face and expect a civil conversation to ensue. I can't believe i have to say that out loud.

300 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:51:32pm

re: #277 allegro

This. I doubt I could talk to any woman I met on the street who doesn't have a personal story to tell about her experiences with PP, usually during late teens/early 20s. It's a safe place where young women can go to get birth control and good information, always within an atmosphere of respect. My experiences go back to 1970s, my college days, when I was becoming sexually active but didn't feel comfortable going to the family doctor. PP was there for me as it has been for every other young woman in the same place.

Nope. We will not forget.

Me, too, but in the mid '80s.

301 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:52:52pm

re: #299 Aceofwhat?

I can't believe i have to say that out loud.

You don't for the people that understand that
For those that don't, it's useless too!

302 sagehen  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:54:49pm

re: #240 Dark_Falcon

In a year, no one will remember it.

Every woman in America will remember it.

303 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:55:09pm

re: #297 Aceofwhat?

yep. ketosis. you'll have that if you limit the carbs severely enough.

I don't actually like the Adkins diet merely for the fact that it's a diet. What Jade is doing is a lifestyle change, which IMHO is the only way to go about making permanent improvements to one's health.

Yep. My Mom keeps calling it 'diet' and telling my Aunts I'm on a 'diet'. Mom it's NOT a diet. I'm not just going to lose weight and then just revert back again. Any weight loss is just a good by-product. The main point isn't weight.
One of my Aunts went on a diet. In a year she lost 80 pounds and looked and felt great. Then she went off her diet. It's all back again and then some.

304 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:56:01pm

re: #296 Sionainn

My dad's on the Ornish program...has been for about ten years now which his cardiovascular surgeon recommended right after he got a triple bypass at the age of 56. His cholesterol is very low now and he has actually reversed some of the heart disease that he had with actual regrowth of some arteries to increase blood flow to his heart. It's pretty amazing.

that's awesome. really, the best eating plan is something healthy that a person can stick with over years and years. my diet would resemble Jadespring's because i love meat and don't crave carbs too badly - so it's sustainable for me. but there are a lot of ways to peel this potato, so to speak.

305 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:56:02pm

re: #302 sagehen

Every woman in America will remember it.

So little faith in the Uterati.

306 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:58:26pm

re: #303 Jadespring

Yep. My Mom keeps calling it 'diet' and telling my Aunts I'm on a 'diet'. Mom it's NOT a diet. I'm not just going to lose weight and then just revert back again. Any weight loss is just a good by-product. The main point isn't weight.
One of my Aunts went on a diet. In a year she lost 80 pounds and looked and felt great. Then she went off her diet. It's all back again and then some.

just wait until you sell them two tickets to the gun show...

307 Sionainn  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 3:59:23pm

re: #304 Aceofwhat?

that's awesome. really, the best eating plan is something healthy that a person can stick with over years and years. my diet would resemble Jadespring's because i love meat and don't crave carbs too badly - so it's sustainable for me. but there are a lot of ways to peel this potato, so to speak.

When the cardiovascular surgeon came out to talk to me right after the surgery, he told me about the Ornish program and I immediately got the book for my dad. I started reading it and thought that there was absolutely no way my dad, a huge meat (particularly beef) eater was going to go extremely low fat/vegetarian. The studies impressed him and that, coupled with the fact that he didn't ever want to have his chest cracked open again, was all he needed. He started the program while he was in the hospital and has never looked back.

308 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 4:03:04pm

re: #307 Sionainn

When the cardiovascular surgeon came out to talk to me right after the surgery, he told me about the Ornish program and I immediately got the book for my dad. I started reading it and thought that there was absolutely no way my dad, a huge meat (particularly beef) eater was going to go extremely low fat/vegetarian. The studies impressed him and that, coupled with the fact that he didn't ever want to have his chest cracked open again, was all he needed. He started the program while he was in the hospital and has never looked back.

very cool. good for him.

when i was little (6-7yo) my neighbor friend's dad had a heart attack. his doctor told him to cut way back on the drinking, stop smoking, and change his diet or he'd be dead in a year.

he didn't change, and died the next year. incredibly sad to watch a young kid struggle with the fact that his dad could have tried and didn't. makes me doubly happy anytime i run into someone with the opposite story to tell!

309 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 4:04:24pm

Going to go shoot hoops outside with my daughter. bbiab.

310 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 4:14:05pm

re: #307 Sionainn

When the cardiovascular surgeon came out to talk to me right after the surgery, he told me about the Ornish program and I immediately got the book for my dad. I started reading it and thought that there was absolutely no way my dad, a huge meat (particularly beef) eater was going to go extremely low fat/vegetarian. The studies impressed him and that, coupled with the fact that he didn't ever want to have his chest cracked open again, was all he needed. He started the program while he was in the hospital and has never looked back.

I think this goes to speak to Ace's comment about how there's different ways of eating that work for different people. I don't believe there is any sort of one size fits all diet. I was vegetarian for about 5 years and was almost to the Vegan point. I ended up crashing and with some health problems. My metabolism went totally wonky. I struggled for months to find a way to fix it and stay veggie. Ended up when I finally broke down and added some meat back in the health problems went away.

311 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 4:15:43pm

re: #299 Aceofwhat?

Or he might be involved with a woman who doesn't care for planned parenthood. Either way, his openness doesn't mean that you're allowed to take what he offered about his personal life and throw it back in his face and expect a civil conversation to ensue. I can't believe i have to say that out loud.

He'll do what he will do. It doesn't bother me anymore.

312 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 4:32:26pm

The bottom line for me is that the public's attention span is irrelevant to them remembering these events later.

If they don't remember more than the past 2 minutes then they are just as susceptible to Democrats, and political crackwhores like me, reminding them about these events as they are to whatever the Republicans would prefer to be talking about. They won't forget about these events because people like me aren't going to let them forget when it comes time to go check that box.

313 Achilles Tang  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 4:38:50pm

re: #311 Dark_Falcon

He'll do what he will do. It doesn't bother me anymore.

I followed this exchange back out of curiosity. Why anyone is upset is silly. The point seems to be that the electorate can have, and often does have a very short and selective memory.

I think many contributors to PP will remember, but they were decided to begin with.

History, our history, has countless forgotten (and rewritten) lessons and this one will be no different to a very large percentage of the population.

314 reidr  Sun, Apr 10, 2011 6:29:15pm

re: #77 albusteve

where are the shovel ready jobs?...the Stimulus didn't stimulate did it?

If you're actually interested:

[Link: tomudall.senate.gov...]

315 garhighway  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:25:37am

re: #77 albusteve

where are the shovel ready jobs?...the Stimulus didn't stimulate did it?

It knocked 5 points off of the unemployment rate, per my corporate economist.


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