Just received an AP news alert on the iPhone: Steve Jobs resigning as CEO of Apple, effective immediately.
And there’s already a replacement: Apple’s COO Tim Cook.
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Alexzander Wed, Aug 24, 2011 3:50:29pm |
Shocked.
Love, hate and respect the man.
Perhaps one of the most important figures in the last 50 years.
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dragonfire1981 Wed, Aug 24, 2011 3:50:35pm |
I guess his health problems are more serious than we thought. Expect Apple stock to take a dive.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Aug 24, 2011 3:51:41pm |
I think I've never used an Apple product in my life. Still, what he did in the last decade or so has been inspiring.
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efuseakay Wed, Aug 24, 2011 3:51:49pm |
Glad I sold everything when it was at its all-time high awhile back.
Good luck Steve...
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 24, 2011 3:53:44pm |
re: #2 dragonfire1981
I guess his health problems are more serious than we thought. Expect Apple stock to take a dive.
It shouldn't. You'd think this would calm people, since they now know the firm has a healthy CEO.
I could be wrong, and others may know better.
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recusancy Wed, Aug 24, 2011 3:54:54pm |
Good time to post this: Now that Apple's the most valuable company in the world: What values got them there?
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Aug 24, 2011 3:55:11pm |
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Linden Arden Wed, Aug 24, 2011 3:56:59pm |
Microsoft survived the departure of Bill Gates nicely. The Tech bubble of 1999 skipped over Apple entirely though.
Still, Jobs piled up $75 billion in cash for Apple. He is a giant in the Tech world.
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Alexzander Wed, Aug 24, 2011 3:57:02pm |
Definitely expect short term panic. Lots of talk about it on mac forums right now.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 24, 2011 3:57:10pm |
re: #2 dragonfire1981
I guess his health problems are more serious than we thought. Expect Apple stock to take a dive.
Yeah, I've been wondering for awhile how long he was going to be able to stick around before he had to bow out to look after his health. He's accomplished a great deal in his time with Apple and I hope the legacy he's left continues to flourish.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Aug 24, 2011 3:57:55pm |
what a facepalm
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
The 59-year-old owner of Precise Roofing Co. in Burbank has been feeding flocks of pigeons since at least September 2010, officials say, which — beyond violating municipal code — has created a major safety hazard for jet airplanes using the nearby Bob Hope Airport as the birds' numbers have grown into the hundreds.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 24, 2011 3:58:05pm |
re: #5 Dark_Falcon
It shouldn't. You'd think this would calm people, since they now know the firm has a healthy CEO.
I could be wrong, and others may know better.
Long term, yes.
Short term, his absolute command of Apple makes him Apple. The last time he left isn't a pretty memory and there won't be a NeXT to bring back from the other side.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 24, 2011 3:58:57pm |
re: #11 Sergey Romanov
what a facepalm
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
The 59-year-old owner of Precise Roofing Co. in Burbank has been feeding flocks of pigeons since at least September 2010, officials say, which — beyond violating municipal code — has created a major safety hazard for jet airplanes using the nearby Bob Hope Airport as the birds' numbers have grown into the hundreds.
He sounds like a coo-coo.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 24, 2011 3:59:22pm |
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Alexzander Wed, Aug 24, 2011 3:59:30pm |
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:01:41pm |
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Idle Drifter Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:02:05pm |
re: #11 Sergey Romanov
what a facepalm
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
The 59-year-old owner of Precise Roofing Co. in Burbank has been feeding flocks of pigeons since at least September 2010, officials say, which — beyond violating municipal code — has created a major safety hazard for jet airplanes using the nearby Bob Hope Airport as the birds' numbers have grown into the hundreds.
That's easily remedied. Nothing a few crates of shot shells, a bulldozer, and a dump truck couldn't fix. Might need a respirator though.
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EdDantes Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:02:18pm |
Steve Jobs is one of the great visionary's and business men of the last century and continuing into this one.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:02:46pm |
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Gus Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:03:41pm |
re: #3 Sergey Romanov
I think I've never used an Apple product in my life. Still, what he did in the last decade or so has been inspiring.
My first computer experience was using this giant Sperry Univac at Ocean County College. This was about 1981. Later though after moving to San Francisco around 1987 I started using Apple Macintosh's for some graphics works. That was my first real work experience using computers. But I remained primarily a manual drafter and designer. Later I started using a generic 486 in the early 90s and have been with a PC since.
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dragonfire1981 Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:03:45pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:05:37pm |
re: #22 Gus 802
Man, you're old /
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:06:43pm |
re: #3 Sergey Romanov
I think I've never used an Apple product in my life. Still, what he did in the last decade or so has been inspiring.
My favorite computer of all time remains a Mac SE/30. Still a very usable machine even though it's old enough to have a legal drink. ;)
I need to get A/UX for it.
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Linden Arden Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:07:25pm |
Since 1980ish, there have been three great giants in tech -- Jobs, Gates, and Larry Ellison.
Ellison is the only pertinent one today and there are rumors he may buy Hewlett-Packard.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:07:42pm |
Sadly, it looks like Hamas has figured out how to get at least some rockets past Iron Dome. Iron Dome can't hit all the rockets if large enough salvos are fired. The good news is that Hamas is burning a lot of ammo to saturate the defenses.
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TedStriker Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:08:00pm |
re: #17 recusancy
He's still chairman
Which puts Jobs in a position to help Cook plan out a long-term strategy, but gets him out of the day-to-day stuff; as I posted on another site:
Sounds like Apple's trying to head off the inevitable stock slide/sell-off when Jobs dies (which give some credence to the rumors that he was out of remission) by keeping Jobs as chairman of the board and letting Cook fully take over as CEO.
There will be much waling and gnashing of teeth among the Apple faithful...and a bumpy ride on the stock market.
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Idle Drifter Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:08:38pm |
re: #22 Gus 802
My high school half semester computer class was spent playing Risk on that machine. Really that class sucked for learning anything about computers. It was just a glorified typing class.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:08:58pm |
I see he is a Buddhist.
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Gus Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:09:02pm |
re: #24 Sergey Romanov
Man, you're old /
Yeah. That UNIVAC was already old when I was there. It was pretty neat though since it was not only huge but housed in a glass enclosure that was constantly air conditioned with some heating I imagine during cold winter days.
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funky chicken Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:09:04pm |
re: #19 Idle Drifter
That's easily remedied. Nothing a few crates of shot shells, a bulldozer, and a dump truck couldn't fix. Might need a respirator though.
The call it "squab" in fancy food places. I think the little guys are kinda cute, so I've never ordered it. Definitely need the respirator though. Pigeon poo has some nasty stuff in it.
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EdDantes Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:09:08pm |
re: #24 Sergey Romanov
Man, you're old /
Old? That's not old. I learned Cobol and Fortran on a Univac 900 in 1973!
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:09:55pm |
re: #26 Linden Arden
Since 1980ish, there have been three great giants in tech -- Jobs, Gates, and Larry Ellison.
Ellison is the only pertinent one today and there are rumors he may buy Hewlett-Packard.
You are up in it.. good call.. Because HP value has dropped so much lately HP is up for a buy out or spin offs..
Good call.. I just read about this a few hours ago
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:10:25pm |
re: #25 wlewisiii
My favorite computer of all time remains a Mac SE/30. Still a very usable machine even though it's old enough to have a legal drink. ;)
I need to get A/UX for it.
I remember the SE/30. We were still using them in schools as late as the mid-90s. Certainly a step up from using DOS on my home computer.
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recusancy Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:10:28pm |
re: #26 Linden Arden
Since 1980ish, there have been three great giants in tech -- Jobs, Gates, and Larry Ellison.
Ellison is the only pertinent one today and there are rumors he may buy Hewlett-Packard.
It's funny that no one ever mentions Sergey Brin or Larry Page. Just not celebrity enough I guess.
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funky chicken Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:10:45pm |
re: #18 wlewisiii
Yep. Only question is how far down it'll drop.
Good time to buy if you have the stomach to wait a few years for the value to recover.
Years?
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Gus Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:10:51pm |
re: #29 Idle Drifter
My high school half semester computer class was spent playing Risk on that machine. Really that class sucked for learning anything about computers. It was just a glorified typing class.
Whenever it locked up it would show a chimp avatar while playing this loud chimp sound. It was embarrassing sometimes. Being that I was still in my 20s and still a bit of a greenhorn.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:11:14pm |
OK, people, you may as well tell who of you used Babbage's difference engine.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:11:33pm |
re: #31 Gus 802
Yeah. That UNIVAC was already old when I was there. It was pretty neat though since it was not only huge but housed in a glass enclosure that was constantly air conditioned with some heating I imagine during cold winter days.
Gee grandpa, tell us some more stories about the old days.
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Varek Raith Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:12:09pm |
re: #38 Gus 802
Whenever it locked up it would show a chimp avatar while playing this loud chimp sound. It was embarrassing sometimes. Being that I was still in my 20s and still a bit of a greenhorn.
Heh, we had a Mac in graphics design class that would yell, "It's not my fault!" when it errored out.
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Alexzander Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:12:13pm |
re: #39 Sergey Romanov
OK, people, you may as well tell who of you used Babbage's difference engine.
Image: 800px-LondonScienceMuseumsReplicaDifferenceEngine.jpg
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:12:25pm |
When I was in high school the main computer lab used Macs. I never used them at home as my dad worked in IT at Amoco (since merged with BP). The PCs at my house were those surplus to requirements there, and often not at all old.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:12:27pm |
re: #23 dragonfire1981
I hate to say I told you so but...
Look at the 3 month chart, this current sell off doesn't even rise to the level of signal noise.
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funky chicken Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:12:27pm |
re: #26 Linden Arden
Since 1980ish, there have been three great giants in tech -- Jobs, Gates, and Larry Ellison.
Ellison is the only pertinent one today and there are rumors he may buy Hewlett-Packard.
I hope he does, and I hope he keeps the PC building part of the business. We've had great luck with HP laptops for years. They've worked better for us than Dell models. Maybe we have just been really lucky?
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Idle Drifter Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:13:32pm |
re: #32 funky chicken
The call it "squab" in fancy food places. I think the little guys are kinda cute, so I've never ordered it. Definitely need the respirator though. Pigeon poo has some nasty stuff in it.
I've worked at a couple places that had a few buildings overrun by pigeons. I won't be surprised if I develop respiratory problems later in life. The birds themselves are very dirty besides their poo.
My little brother personally dealt with all the pigeons left homeless after they tore down an old church in my hometown. Let's just say no called the cops because they were sick of the pigeons tearing up the neighborhood.
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Gus Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:13:52pm |
re: #45 funky chicken
I hope he does, and I hope he keeps the PC building part of the business. We've had great luck with HP laptops for years. They've worked better for us than Dell models. Maybe we have just been really lucky?
Everything works better than a Dell.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:13:59pm |
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funky chicken Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:14:01pm |
re: #43 Dark_Falcon
When I was in high school the main computer lab used Macs. I never used them at home as my dad worked in IT at Amoco (since merged with BP). The PCs at my house were those surplus to requirements there, and often not at all old.
That's why there aren't any more Amoco stations? You really do learn something new every day. LOL
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EdDantes Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:14:05pm |
re: #33 EdDantes
Damn. My editing time expired. That should have been Univac 9000.
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Linden Arden Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:14:15pm |
re: #36 recusancy
It's funny that no one ever mentions Sergey Brin or Larry Page. Just not celebrity enough I guess.
No doubt.
+1.
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Varek Raith Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:14:15pm |
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mikey706 Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:15:24pm |
How long until President Obama is blamed for Apple's job loss?
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funky chicken Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:15:48pm |
Well, the beagle says it's time for me to prepare her dinner. They boys are going to Chick Fil A (dammit, it's 107 out and I'm not cooking). But the dogs are, well, baying. BBL
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:16:13pm |
re: #37 funky chicken
Years?
Products that don't have Jobs doing the intro in turtle neck & jeans don't do as well historically. I wouldn't be surprised if it takes the market a very long time to trust the successors to Jobs.
That said, there'll be some bounce from people taking advantage in the next few days but it will stabilize at, my guess, 15 - 25 % below today's close and not move up from that for at least a couple of product cycles while the new leadership proves it's mettle.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:16:24pm |
re: #49 funky chicken
That's why there aren't any more Amoco stations? You really do learn something new every day. LOL
Glad I could help.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:18:15pm |
re: #53 mikey706
How long until President Obama is blamed for Apple's job loss?
How much fun can be had with plural possessives?
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funky chicken Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:18:21pm |
Oh, and no, I don't cook for the dogs, but once the food goes down I have to sit and stare at the doberman's bowl, or the beagle will snarf hers down and then eat everybody else's food...and the other idiots will let her.
Real tough, those dobies.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:19:05pm |
re: #53 mikey706
How long until President Obama is blamed for Apple's job loss?
Steve Jobs' Real Illness: HE CAUGHT [n-word] COOTIES FROM SHAKING HANDS WITH OBAMA!!!11 HIS BLOOD WAS CORRUPTED BY CONTACT WITH A KENYAN SOCIALIST!!!11
/Weird Nut Daily
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:20:21pm |
re: #48 Sergey Romanov
Pure poetry.
Then there was the Analytical Engine, which would have pretty much been a working, general purpose computer that ran on punch cards, would have a memory storage of roughly 21 Kb, and could be connected to a primitive form of printer. It would have been the computer revolution, a century ahead of time.
Problem was, between the need for thousands of parts to be handcrafted, government funds being tight, and Babbage generally being a dick, no more than a small section of it was ever constructed before he expired.
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Idle Drifter Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:20:54pm |
re: #38 Gus 802
Whenever it locked up it would show a chimp avatar while playing this loud chimp sound. It was embarrassing sometimes. Being that I was still in my 20s and still a bit of a greenhorn.
I once had the unfortunate task of cleaning up my uncle's computer because it was loaded with so many damn toolbars, viruses, internet games(spyware), etc. Never doing that again until he can teach his children not click on every shiny ad. Crazy thing is he would make excuses not getting a proper anti-virus/anti-spyware subscriptions. I was half tempted to take his computer behind the tool shed.
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Alexzander Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:22:54pm |
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Gus Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:23:25pm |
DRUDGE REPORT
BREAKING NEWS
Barack HUSSEIN Obama golfs while Steve Jobs resigns from Apple.
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Idle Drifter Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:26:44pm |
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Alexzander Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:28:27pm |
Bill Clinton declares vegan victory:
[Link: yourlife.usatoday.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:28:57pm |
re: #63 Gus 802
What do you expect? The very fact he's playin' golf 'stead of caddyin' means he's uppity!
I exaggerate, but not by much.
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Alexzander Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:29:33pm |
re: #64 Idle Drifter
The chick in the video, does she come with the car? >;D
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I think she is a big part of why that video has nearly 400,000 views. Let me put it that way.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:29:34pm |
re: #65 Alexzander
Bill Clinton declares vegan victory:
[Link: yourlife.usatoday.com...]
Does he fell the plant's pain?
/cheap Clinton humor
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mikey706 Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:30:58pm |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:31:55pm |
re: #65 Alexzander
Bill Clinton declares vegan victory:
[Link: yourlife.usatoday.com...]
I mostly eat fish these days. I used to get red meat cravings once or twice a month until I started eating quinoa regularly. I never crave it anymore but I'll still eat it on occasion.
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Idle Drifter Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:31:58pm |
re: #65 Alexzander
Bill Clinton declares vegan victory:
[Link: yourlife.usatoday.com...]
Vegan old Indian word for "poor hunter." Jokes aside I'm glad he's taking his health seriously, my dad could take a few lessons.
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darthstar Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:33:07pm |
Steve Jobs resigning...isn't there an app for that?
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darthstar Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:35:33pm |
re: #66 Dark_Falcon
I exaggerate, but not by much.
Well, it's not every day Apple loses 100% of its Jobs.
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windsagio Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:36:53pm |
Also good riddance, Jobs' whole approach to technology is toxic.
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Varek Raith Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:36:58pm |
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darthstar Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:38:46pm |
re: #77 Varek Raith
10 yard penalty.
They lost 100% of their Jobs a few years ago, and then he came back...he's like herpes...Apple will never get rid of him.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:41:30pm |
re: #78 darthstar
They lost 100% of their Jobs a few years ago, and then he came back...he's like herpes...Apple will never get rid of him.
pancreatic cancer is no small thing...it's not just about Apple anymore
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Idle Drifter Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:41:37pm |
Storm warnings and Tornado Watches in South East Michigan. Sky's clear where I'm at though I do see clouds on the horizon.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:43:27pm |
re: #80 Idle Drifter
Storm warnings and Tornado Watches in South East Michigan. Sky's clear where I'm at though I do see clouds on the horizon.
please!..spare grand Rapids!
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:47:39pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:51:53pm |
re: #76 windsagio
Also good riddance, Jobs' whole approach to technology is toxic.
You have got to be effen kidding me..
Let's do a review here..
In the old days..There were 2 approaches to Computers...The Microsoft way and Apple.. In the early days there were 2 views.. Apple.. You could be a big fish in a small pond.. Or Microsoft.. You could be a small fish in a huge pond.. Doing the 80's Microsoft proved the best model to go with..I mean sh*t you could write any program to do anything in Windows...MS encouraged massive amount of programs being written by developers.. Huge success for software and advancing computer programs..
Apple took the small piece of the model and you could only write apps within what they allowed you to do.. For 5-10 years developers cried like babies but you know what? Nobody gets to call into Ring 0 or make changes to the Kernel.. Or make limited calls from an app....Period..
For many years Apple was really trashed in the media and in Silly Cone Valley.. But Steve stood his ground..
How times have changed...MS is trying to stop and change their direction and 14 yr. old kids are Writing OCX files in VB and doing whatever to create more holes in their OS.. Every Tuesday MS releases new updates for all the holes...But guess what..If the hoopster wanted to write a wrapper what would MS do? There are more holes in Windows than Albert Hall
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windsagio Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:52:05pm |
re: #83 Stanley Sea
I actually just came to post that song, been busy. Still some things must be said ><
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Idle Drifter Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:54:03pm |
re: #81 albusteve
Grand Rapids is safe on the West side of Michigan. Trust me I always carry two maps.
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windsagio Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:54:07pm |
HH, what Jobs gave the industry was putting form over function to an absurd degree and overcharging people who are loyal to you (oh and stupid hype. He totally mastered that).
He was good for apple, but bad for the rest of the industry.
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Renaissance_Man Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:55:48pm |
re: #84 HoosierHoops
I have to agree with windsagio - Jobs took a proprietary approach and turned technology into a lifestyle to be packaged and sold, rather than a tool. Without his 'vision', I want to see whether Apple becomes a technology company or continues as a fashion brand.
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Talking Point Detective Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:56:18pm |
Off topic - but I think that it is really important the people listen to this.
Warning - this is not for the weak of stomach:
The Evangelicals Engaged In Spiritual Warfare
A new Christian movement that seeks to take dominion over politics, business and culture in preparation for the end times and Jesus' return is becoming more of a presence in American politics. Rachel Tabachnick, who researches the religious right, explains its beliefs and influences.The international "apostolic and prophetic" movement has been dubbed by its leading American architect, C. Peter Wagner, as the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). Although the movement is larger than the network organized by Wagner — and not all members describe themselves as part of Wagner's NAR — the so-called apostles and prophets of the movement have identifiable ideology that separates them from other evangelicals.
The international "apostolic and prophetic" movement has been dubbed by its leading American architect, C. Peter Wagner, as the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). Although the movement is larger than the network organized by Wagner — and not all members describe themselves as part of Wagner's NAR — the so-called apostles and prophets of the movement have identifiable ideology that separates them from other evangelicals.
Two ministries in the movement planned and orchestrated Texas Gov. Rick Perry's recent prayer rally, where apostles and prophets from around the nation spoke or appeared onstage. The event was patterned after The Call, held at locations around the globe and led by Lou Engle, who has served in the Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders of the NAR. Other NAR apostles endorsed Perry's event, including two who lead a 50-state "prayer warrior" network. Thomas Muthee, the Kenyan pastor who anointed Sarah Palin at the Wasilla Assembly of God Church in 2005, while praying for Jesus to protect her from the spirit of witchcraft, is also part of this movement.
[Link: www.npr.org...]
The extent and reach of this group is enormous.
Charles, you might really want to do a post on this group.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:57:11pm |
re: #86 Idle Drifter
Grand Rapids is safe on the West side of Michigan. Trust me I always carry two maps.
I know where GR is...my daughter lives there and helped produce that vid...I grew up in Kazoo
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Talking Point Detective Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:57:15pm |
re: #89 Talking Point Detective
Assuming that you haven't already, that is.
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windsagio Wed, Aug 24, 2011 4:58:06pm |
re: #88 Renaissance_Man
I have to agree with windsagio - Jobs took a proprietary approach and turned technology into a lifestyle to be packaged and sold, rather than a tool. Without his 'vision', I want to see whether Apple becomes a technology company or continues as a fashion brand.
I should say for them, they kind of had no choice. He probably saved Apple from extinction. MS and Unix(/linux) basically own business computing.
Edit: (how cool is that?!?!) @89. I heard that too. Never heard Terry Gross do a news/commentary piece like that before... freakin' messed up.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:00:25pm |
re: #88 Renaissance_Man
I have to agree with windsagio - Jobs took a proprietary approach and turned technology into a lifestyle to be packaged and sold, rather than a tool. Without his 'vision', I want to see whether Apple becomes a technology company or continues as a fashion brand.
Convincing people they need crap is what business is all about.
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windsagio Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:00:51pm |
re: #93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
or you can make stuff people can use >>
Outdated concept I know :D
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albusteve Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:01:48pm |
re: #93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Convincing people they need crap is what business is all about.
I dig having 275 choices of tooth paste
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wrenchwench Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:01:57pm |
re: #89 Talking Point Detective
Off topic - but I think that it is really important the people listen to this.
Warning - this is not for the weak of stomach:
[Link: www.npr.org...]
The extent and reach of this group is enormous.
Charles, you might really want to do a post on this group.
Done. There's more in the Pages.
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Renaissance_Man Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:04:23pm |
re: #93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Convincing people they need crap is what business is all about.
Totally. I'm not debating his business skills. But I don't consider PT Barnum a technology visionary either.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:06:02pm |
re: #93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Convincing people they need crap is what business is all about.
The future of our economy is based around FARTS--Forced ARTificial Scarcities
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:06:52pm |
re: #89 Talking Point Detective
Off topic - but I think that it is really important the people listen to this.
Warning - this is not for the weak of stomach:
[Link: www.npr.org...]
The extent and reach of this group is enormous.
Charles, you might really want to do a post on this group.
The part that turns my stomach is that every person in my life who needs to know and understand this stuff hasn't been listening when it's been talked about for the past 10 years, and NOW are going to be openly hostile to hearing about it, because it's election silly season and blah blah axe to grind blah blah hit piece derpty toopty tumpy doop something something liberals.
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:07:05pm |
re: #87 windsagio
HH, what Jobs gave the industry was putting form over function to an absurd degree and overcharging people who are loyal to you.
He was good for apple, but bad for the rest of the industry.
I'm sorry.. You know not of what you speak of...
Form over function? Please.. I'm not picking a fight Windy..I like you..But I go back to the day when I was flying planes on a mac and programming in Basic for PC's.. I've been in the business for a long time.. My take is totally right from my point of view.. But you know whatever... Did you know Charles wrote articles in the old days? He would write about moving code from one register to another and that pissed me off.. I never did figure out assembly code.. And programmers that did pissed me off.. He was writing about copy functions way before I could write a file in VB5..
Charles not only has mad programming Skills but he has for many years going back old school.. Back to the days when I cheated by using debug to deconstruct code in College...
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:07:37pm |
re: #98 jamesfirecat
The future of our economy is based around FARTS--Forced ARTificial Scarcities
Is that from the South Park episode about the bank bailouts? Because if it wasn't, it should have been.
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Idle Drifter Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:07:57pm |
re: #95 albusteve
I dig having 275 choices of tooth paste
Which is why I love Faygo pop. Soda to anyone outside Michigan. Question how many other states refer to soda as pop? I know about you crazy kids from Florida and a few other places refer to every soda as Coke.
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Idle Drifter Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:09:04pm |
re: #98 jamesfirecat
The future of our economy is based around FARTS--Forced ARTificial Scarcities
De Beers did that with the Diamond trade.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:10:20pm |
re: #87 windsagio
HH, what Jobs gave the industry was putting form over function to an absurd degree and overcharging people who are loyal to you.
He was good for apple, but bad for the rest of the industry.
I love this bad for the rest of the industry meme. It's not some campfire for everyone to gather around and sing kumbaya, it's a market that he's guided Apple from the bottom of to the top. Overcharging is a rather subjective assessment, especially coming from someone who hates the company. However every single advertising agency I've worked at kept the creative department on Mac because their time was worth something. Nobody seemed to care if account management or accounting went home early from a Windows virus infestation as long as the creatives kept generating value for the company.
It's too bad that instead of Jobs Apple didn't hire an idealist like Richard Stallman, with his impressive track record of picking things off his feet and eating them in public.
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austin_blue Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:13:00pm |
Sadly, I think we all know what is behind this decision.
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Gus Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:13:11pm |
It's all temporary. Right now Apple has their place in the sun which will last for some time to come. Once upon a time companies like RCA and Zenith dominated the leisure electronics business.
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windsagio Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:17:10pm |
re: #104 goddamnedfrank
I'll get WUB to come on and talk about creating stuff on mac vs PC, he's better qualified.
Anyways apple has always commanded fanatical devotion from its fans. Thats why they can charge 50% or more than they should.
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:19:14pm |
re: #106 Gus 802
It's all temporary. Right now Apple has their place in the sun which will last for some time to come. Once upon a time companies like RCA and Zenith dominated the leisure electronics business.
Hi Gus..Why do you hate America? *wink*
So sorry about the shit people have rolled your way..
This is why I love Technology...It grows so fast.. One day we are using Lotus 123 and browsing the net with Netscape 1.0 and then we have a million tools and programs at our disposal.. We are in a Golden age of Technology
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Gus Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:19:32pm |
re: #104 goddamnedfrank
I love this bad for the rest of the industry meme. It's not some campfire for everyone to gather around and sing kumbaya, it's a market that he's guided Apple from the bottom of to the top. Overcharging is a rather subjective assessment, especially coming from someone who hates the company. However every single advertising agency I've worked at kept the creative department on Mac because their time was worth something. Nobody seemed to care if account management or accounting went home early from a Windows virus infestation as long as the creatives kept generating value for the company.
It's too bad that instead of Jobs Apple didn't hire an idealist like Richard Stallman, with his impressive track record of picking things off his feet and eating them in public.
Apple is a sole proprietary company. The only Apple laptop available for the consumer is designed and built Apple. PCs on the other hand while having a shared operating system -- currently Win 7 -- are available from a wide range of manufacturers. This is largely why PCs are more inexpensive. Right now, Apple laptop are well outside the price range of most computers.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:19:52pm |
re: #104 goddamnedfrank
I'm a professional freelance creative type dude, and I'm on Windows, Apple products would A) slow me down B) cost me more, and C) wouldn't run the tools I need
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Stanghazi Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:20:00pm |
re: #90 albusteve
One of my all time favorite random things seen on the web. Post it again eh?
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Idle Drifter Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:20:53pm |
re: #89 Talking Point Detective
I think we've covered this once already but yeah there's some scary dot connecting going on here. Especially the Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Bill connection to this group of Dominionists psychopaths!
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windsagio Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:21:21pm |
Also, ask iPlatform users about viruses and scumware. Apple was simply never a target before because they were the losers of the OS war.
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Stanghazi Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:21:35pm |
re: #93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Convincing people they need crap is what business is all about.
So says my bank account.
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windsagio Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:21:56pm |
re: #114 Stanley Sea
Pff you give value. Right?!?! (don't break my heart here!)
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Henchman Ghazi-808 Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:22:14pm |
Take care of your self Steve, you had a great run at Apple.
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windsagio Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:22:45pm |
also also, I could never argue with you HH, not very hard anyways :p
(that being said, F apple :p)
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Gus Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:23:38pm |
re: #108 HoosierHoops
Hi Gus..Why do you hate America? *wink*
So sorry about the shit people have rolled your way..
This is why I love Technology...It grows so fast.. One day we are using Lotus 123 and browsing the net with Netscape 1.0 and then we have a million tools and programs at our disposal.. We are in a Golden age of Technology
Yeah. And not so long ago everybody and their uncle wanted a Blackberry. Before that, almost the first, being the Palm-Pilot.
Regarding the poop from earlier I barely gave it much thought. Got a little hot around here this afternoon. Was talking with my sister about things. Took a shower. Eating some microwave Chinese food now.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:24:22pm |
re: #107 windsagio
I'll get WUB to come on and talk about creating stuff on mac vs PC, he's better qualified.
Anyways apple has always commanded fanatical devotion from its fans. Thats why they can charge 50% or more than they should.
Many of my friends who make art for a living use Macs, many use PCs! it's all in what you want, what you're comfortable with, what your needs are.
For me, I use too many windows only tools, total deal-breaker, even before the cost of Apple's machines.
I have a nice tower machine, cost me a fraction of what an Apple tower would cost. I need space!
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Gus Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:25:50pm |
re: #107 windsagio
I'll get WUB to come on and talk about creating stuff on mac vs PC, he's better qualified.
Anyways apple has always commanded fanatical devotion from its fans. Thats why they can charge 50% or more than they should.
That and there's no competition. There is only one company making Apples and that's Apple. If there were other companies building Apple machines the price would go down.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:26:24pm |
re: #104 goddamnedfrank
It's too bad that instead of Jobs Apple didn't hire an idealist like Richard Stallman, with his impressive track record of picking things off his feet and eating them in public.
Ironic you should mention Stallman, as it was he who first developed the GCC compiler, which evolved directly into what is now the standard compiler used by Linux and all the BSDs, including OS X. It's literally impossible to buy or sell a share of Apple stock without some part of that transaction being handled by software that is the direct descendent of Stallman's invention.
Not to mention the GPL and the concept of Free (libre) software. You think the Internet would look anything like it does today if every startup had to come up with tens of thousands of dollars for Unix licenses before they even wrote their first line of code?
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:30:28pm |
re: #117 windsagio
also also, I could never argue with you HH, not very hard anyways :p
(that being said, F apple :p)
Love ya Windy! I have made a shit load of money supporting Microsoft since I left working for the DOD.. I could talk computers all night...Cause that's what I do.. You know when 15,000 of us got Riffed from MINSY I got a few more years of College from Clinton base closing.. I loved computers so much..The Gov't..oh wait you..Paid for me to go back to school and learn Computers...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:30:58pm |
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:32:54pm |
re: #110 WindUpBird
I'm a professional freelance creative type dude, and I'm on Windows, Apple products would A) slow me down B) cost me more, and C) wouldn't run the tools I need
Any modern Apple will run Windows when and if necessary. You don't work in a large shared environment networked to the lowest common denominator, which minimizes your personal risk of virus/worm exposure and downtime immensely. You are your own IT department so you get to choose what you like. There's a reason all major advertising creative shops run on Mac, the increased expenditure up front pays off for them in the long run.
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:32:56pm |
re: #102 Idle Drifter
Which is why I love Faygo pop. Soda to anyone outside Michigan. Question how many other states refer to soda as pop? I know about you crazy kids from Florida and a few other places refer to every soda as Coke.
People in St. Louis call it pop. One more weird thing about St. Louis.
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windsagio Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:33:43pm |
re: #123 WindUpBird
pff you had to say 'tech company'.
Ever get Gimp to work out, or not?
PS: More ohGr. This album is just too good.
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Talking Point Detective Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:37:05pm |
re: #99 negativ
The part that turns my stomach is that every person in my life who needs to know and understand this stuff hasn't been listening when it's been talked about for the past 10 years, and NOW are going to be openly hostile to hearing about it, because it's election silly season and blah blah axe to grind blah blah hit piece derpty toopty tumpy doop something something liberals.
I think that there are some people, although I don't know how many, who are going to sign on in supporting politicians who are aligned with this group, but would honestly be disgusted if they new what this group is about.
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MichaelJ Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:37:52pm |
re: #119 WindUpBird
Many of my friends who make art for a living use Macs, many use PCs! it's all in what you want, what you're comfortable with, what your needs are.
Exactly. If you don't like Apple, don't use their products. You have a choice. But don't hate the fact that many people do like and use Apple products.
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windsagio Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:38:34pm |
re: #128 MichaelJ
Can I hate the fact that Apple overcharges because Apple fans don't know the difference?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:39:06pm |
I'd just like to say how much I love the MYSQL query "INSERT INTO ... ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE".
If you don't know what I'm talking about don't worry about it. But this query is the cat's PJs. Solved a problem I've been wrestling with for months.
If the table has a unique index, and you want to insert a row with a duplicate value in that indexed column, it falls through to the "ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE" clause, without the need for two queries (one to check for the duplicate key, one to insert/update). An elegant way to handle a common problem.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:39:42pm |
re: #129 windsagio
Can I hate the fact that Apple overcharges because Apple fans don't know the difference?
Some of us run Windows on our Macs you know, try doing that in reverse. We know the difference.
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wrenchwench Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:40:48pm |
re: #131 Talking Point Detective
Thanks.
More is good! You're right, this stuff flies way below the radars of most people.
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austin_blue Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:40:56pm |
re: #118 Gus 802
Yeah. And not so long ago everybody and their uncle wanted a Blackberry. Before that, almost the first, being the Palm-Pilot.
Regarding the poop from earlier I barely gave it much thought. Got a little hot around here this afternoon. Was talking with my sister about things. Took a shower. Eating some microwave Chinese food now.
We had our seventieth day of 100 or greater today. Record!
And at 7:15 local, we lost our power because ERCOT (our grid master) instituted rolling blackouts State-wide.
Nice.
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windsagio Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:40:59pm |
re: #132 goddamnedfrank
that seems SO lose/lose. "I paid more to accomplish what I could have by paying less!"
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Gus Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:41:18pm |
re: #132 goddamnedfrank
Some of us run Windows on our Macs you know, try doing that in reverse. We know the difference.
Others know what they're doing regardless of what software or hardware we're using. The final product is all that counts.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:41:21pm |
re: #129 windsagio
Can I hate the fact that Apple overcharges because Apple fans don't know the difference?
I know the difference, and I'll always buy an Apple product before someone else's. I've owned all kinds of computers, and the bottom line is that Apple's hardware has always been top notch. More expensive, as quality gear must be, but my philosophy is that buying the best possible tools always pays off in the long run.
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Political Atheist Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:42:52pm |
re: #129 windsagio
I'd like to see a more serious look into employee conditions at Foxconn. No reason Apple should be any less responsible than we demand of others. Apple is a big enough account to force some changes.
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CuriousLurker Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:43:17pm |
re: #130 Charles
I'd just like to say how much I love the MYSQL query "INSERT INTO ... ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE".
OMG, perfect timing! I was wondering what query I'd need to use to do exactly that with something I'm working on this week.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:44:10pm |
re: #135 windsagio
that seems SO lose/lose. "I paid more to accomplish what I could have by paying less!"
It's win/win, allowing me to compatibility check solutions for clients who operate different platforms while using one machine.
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windsagio Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:45:08pm |
my whole point is that you're buying worse tools for more money, but brand loyalty is clouding your judgement. But, arguing with the site owner is a nonogoodjob, so I withdraw from the field.
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Stanghazi Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:45:47pm |
I'm behind on this tech thread, well because it's a tech thread. And also because I'm eating the best ceviche I've had in years.
As always I'm learning from the counter posts.
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Idle Drifter Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:45:48pm |
re: #130 Charles
OK, I had to read that twice to understand it.
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Jaerik Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:47:09pm |
Keep in mind that Jobs hasn't been serving as CEO since January. He's been on a health-related leave of absence, and this new guy (who was COO) has been calling the shots for awhile. Jobs is also still staying on as Chairman and head of creative direction. So this is more just an official establishment of the status quo for the past ~9 months.
As for all the Apple hate, people need to realize that consumer-grade electronics, especially in the mobile space and increasingly in the PC space as well, are rapidly becoming commodities. These days, the selection of a particular cell phone (for example) is a lot more analogous to choosing a brand of car than picking out a computer.
Why is a BMW more expensive than Honda in the same class, if the two cars have four wheels of roughly identical quality, an engine of roughly identical horsepower, steering of roughly identical handling, etc? It's because different people have different priorities when choosing a car. Some people want the little extras that go into the higher BMW price point and are willing to pay for them. Other people aren't and think it's a waste of money.
But you never see Honda owners and BMW owners people launch into the kind of tech-ego e-peen screaming fests you see with one's choice of mobile device -- at least not at the drop of a hat upon even seeing someone with different brand loyalty. Folks somehow seem to know that automobile brand loyalty is somewhat illogical but have come to accept it, and not worth attacking people for. And the attacks usually don't immediately descend into universal ad hominem claims about the other person's intelligence.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:47:27pm |
re: #142 windsagio
my whole point is that you're buying worse tools for more money, but brand loyalty is clouding your judgement. But, arguing with the site owner is a nonogoodjob, so I withdraw from the field.
I'm using the one tool that guarantees I can go into any environment and get the job done. How does that make it worse?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:48:04pm |
re: #142 windsagio
my whole point is that you're buying worse tools for more money, but brand loyalty is clouding your judgement. But, arguing with the site owner is a nonogoodjob, so I withdraw from the field.
I'm telling you that Apple hardware and software is the best quality on the market. If any PC maker had gear that was of equivalent quality, I'd happily sing its praises to the world.
Brand loyalty is for suckers. I'm interested in results.
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Jaerik Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:48:07pm |
re: #130 Charles
I'd just like to say how much I love the MYSQL query "INSERT INTO ... ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE".
If you don't know what I'm talking about don't worry about it. But this query is the cat's PJs. Solved a problem I've been wrestling with for months.
If the table has a unique index, and you want to insert a row with a duplicate value in that indexed column, it falls through to the "ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE" clause, without the need for two queries (one to check for the duplicate key, one to insert/update). An elegant way to handle a common problem.
I recently optimized a PHPSQL layer with this query. The previous programmer had used REPLACE INTO's everywhere to do the same thing, not realizing that a REPLACE will actually expand into a DELETE and INSERT rather than an UPDATE if the key already exists.
Dramatically improved performance.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:48:10pm |
re: #129 windsagio
Can I hate the fact that Apple overcharges because Apple fans don't know the difference?
I'll happily and knowingly pay more for a Macbook that "just works" over the POS HP laptop of my wife's running the latest version (infestation?) of that accursed garbage from Redmond.
Try doing productive work on a 21 year old DOS machine. I do that daily with my SE/30.
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laZardo Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:48:46pm |
BTW, how are those lawsuits against Android companies coming along?
EDIT: Link because i love this function :3
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MichaelJ Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:48:49pm |
re: #129 windsagio
The price difference between comparable Macs and Pc's has decreased substantially. When I say comparable, I mean exactly that. I think that the only people that appreciate Apple products are those that appreciate the entire product and not just the specs. Some people like to own a Mercedes, others prefer a Kia...
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Gus Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:53:35pm |
re: #151 MichaelJ
The price difference between comparable Macs and Pc's has decreased substantially. When I say comparable, I mean exactly that. I think that the only people that appreciate Apple products are those that appreciate the entire product and not just the specs. Some people like to own a Mercedes, others prefer a Kia...
Yep. And some people can still drive better in a Kia.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:54:19pm |
I would've quit if I were Jobs at my eleventieth billion.
I hope his health is okay.
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kirkspencer Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:54:43pm |
As I have stated before, the best and the worst computers I ever had were Apples. I think of Apple as the West Point of computers; always extraordinary, whether good or bad.
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butterick Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:55:34pm |
re: #147 Charles
I'm telling you that Apple hardware and software is the best quality on the market. If any PC maker had gear that was of equivalent quality, I'd happily sing its praises to the world.
Brand loyalty is for suckers. I'm interested in results.
As a guy who used PCs for years I almost literally cannot believe how good Apple's gear is. This Jobs thing has me rattled. I hope they can keep up the quality and innovation.
My fear is that a few years down the line some former HP or Dell clown will take over and add racing stripes, literally and figuratively. "People like stuff. PUT MORE STUFF!"
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:58:35pm |
re: #151 MichaelJ
The price difference between comparable Macs and Pc's has decreased substantially. When I say comparable, I mean exactly that. I think that the only people that appreciate Apple products are those that appreciate the entire product and not just the specs. Some people like to own a Mercedes, others prefer a Kia...
Think we'd have difference of opinions over which the Mercedes and which is the Kia. The Mac for a lot of the time I've been on this planet has been the Mercedes: Looks beautiful and runs well, but if you have a problem, you're going to the dealership and your wallet's gonna take a pounding. Whereas the PC has been the Kia: The performance will not always be stellar and you're likely to run into more problems, but you can also buy generic parts to repair it and if you want to drop in a more powerful motor, you don't have to go through the dealership to do so.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 24, 2011 5:59:45pm |
re: #158 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I've never been cool or rich enough for Apple products.
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Bear Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:00:11pm |
Back when I chose Apple2 over TRS-80 because of color. However when IBM started to take over I switched over. Then later on the software I was interested in having was only available running under DOS. I do not know if as much software is available now on the Apple machines (Mac) as on the Windows machines.
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Political Atheist Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:00:45pm |
re: #147 Charles
I just went through this whole thing. I stayed PC, as I have a big investment in the Adobe CS5 master collection. And a lateral to the Apple version costs full price, not the upgrade price. That is no fault of Apple of course. Unless you count that flash thing. (Just kidding)
I found that if I went with really good components, the cost went up closing at least some of the gap. Intel I7, intel "extreme" board, and really good components. Like gamer RAM with its own heat sinks.
But bottom line that brand is adding money too. Something extra for the reputation and the brand awareness profits. Apple, Sony, Leica all enjoy some extra margin of profit.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:01:07pm |
Beware of Little Bobby Tables.
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MichaelJ Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:02:06pm |
re: #153 Gus 802
That's true. The good driver can do great things regardless of the how the equipment handicaps him. I side with Charles here - Apple is making some seriously good hardware these days. This hasn't always been the case, but it is definitely the case now. Hate away if you wish, it's your loss.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:03:23pm |
re: #159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I've never been cool or rich enough for Apple products.
The only Apple product I own these days is a third-gen iPod Touch, which I got as a birthday gift last year. It's good for goofing around and there are some useful apps, but it hasn't sold me on Apple products.
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TedStriker Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:03:27pm |
re: #124 goddamnedfrank
Any modern Apple will run Windows when and if necessary. You don't work in a large shared environment networked to the lowest common denominator, which minimizes your personal risk of virus/worm exposure and downtime immensely. You are your own IT department so you get to choose what you like. There's a reason all major advertising creative shops run on Mac, the increased expenditure up front pays off for them in the long run.
No, it's more like institutional inertia; most of those shops have probably been majority-Mac or Mac-only since the days when Macs were the only serious option for that kind of work, something that's not been true for at least 5-10 years.
Windows and the software that runs on it (most software, anyway) has come a long way in the past decade since XP came out and even more so with the release of Vista and 7; to me, with the right software and similar hardware, Windows machines and Macs are mostly on parity with each other nowadays, so it really it comes down to personal preference and what you feel is right for the job.
One thing the does still irk me about Macs (and many Mac users) is their traditional approach to security, which is "security through obscurity". This may have changed in the past few years as Apple has drawn more attention from the black hats, but Apple has not done enough IMO to dispel the myths that Macs are immune from viruses and malware and to help Mac users be more proactive about their computer security. Windows users may have a huge bullseye painted on them because MS' market share is so huge, but MS has made great strides in security and usability, beginning with Vista and continuing with Win7.
In the end, I say use what you like and what works for you.
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Stanghazi Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:08:10pm |
My iPhone died sat night. Apple store: 2nd time I've seen this in 3 yrs. My bad luck, warranty replacement, but the 2 hrs on Sunday @ THE HATE MALL sucked.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:08:17pm |
re: #151 MichaelJ
The price difference between comparable Macs and Pc's has decreased substantially. When I say comparable, I mean exactly that. I think that the only people that appreciate Apple products are those that appreciate the entire product and not just the specs. Some people like to own a Mercedes, others prefer a Kia...
ridiculous Apple cult nonsense
I owned a PowerMac 8500-150 at the same time as I had a Windows machine (late 90's) and while the Powermac was a nice machine, it simply didn't DO what i needed it to do
And today? Same thing. They don't serve my needs, and they cost an arm and a leg. Imagine buying a Mercedes when you need a station wagon. Or a truck. You buy your Mercedes, and I'll be the guy who bought an entire fleet of cars and trucks for my business, for the price of your Mercedes.
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TedStriker Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:08:43pm |
re: #158 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Think we'd have difference of opinions over which the Mercedes and which is the Kia. The Mac for a lot of the time I've been on this planet has been the Mercedes: Looks beautiful and runs well, but if you have a problem, you're going to the dealership and your wallet's gonna take a pounding. Whereas the PC has been the Kia: The performance will not always be stellar and you're likely to run into more problems, but you can also buy generic parts to repair it and if you want to drop in a more powerful motor, you don't have to go through the dealership to do so.
Which is why I'm a PC man, because I'm all about the best preformance for the buck; besides, I'm a tinkerer and love to tweak with my computers...a lot.
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darthstar Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:08:45pm |
Wow...I got here just in time to see a deleted post...what was it?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:09:23pm |
re: #171 darthstar
Wow...I got here just in time to see a deleted post...what was it?
It disclosed ALL the secrets. All of them.
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darthstar Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:09:29pm |
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Idle Drifter Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:10:00pm |
re: #171 darthstar
Wow...I got here just in time to see a deleted post...what was it?
That's what I asked I was eye balling a web comic for a few minutes when it happened.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:10:08pm |
re: #164 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
The only Apple product I own these days is a third-gen iPod Touch, which I got as a birthday gift last year. It's good for goofing around and there are some useful apps, but it hasn't sold me on Apple products.
I have an ipod touch, and it's soured me further on apple, because Itunes sucks dog balls
the device is cool! it's actually a good deal for all the stuff it does. But itunes makes me want to go out and get an MP3 payer that doesn't have shitty bloatware required for its use.
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laZardo Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:10:09pm |
re: #172 negativ
It disclosed ALL the secrets. All of them.
Is that a reference to what I think it's referencing?
i warned you bro!
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Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:10:44pm |
re: #161 Rightwingconspirator
No doubt that the brand adds something to the price of the equipment. But my own personal, anecdotal experience with Apple equipment, compared to all the other types of equipment now taking up space in my garage, is that Apple builds the best stuff.
I know familiarity plays a big part in this calculation, too, and I'm not trying to convert anyone to an Apple apostle. Just telling my own story.
Every single word I've posted at LGF was created on an Apple computer, except for some of the more recent ones, which were posted with an iPhone.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:11:05pm |
re: #172 negativ
It disclosed ALL the secrets. All of them.
That post was not deleted. It never existed. And I...*flashes CIA badge*...was never here.
/
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Idle Drifter Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:11:09pm |
re: #176 laZardo
Is that a reference to what I think it's referencing?
i warned you bro!
Don't divide by zero?
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darthstar Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:11:27pm |
re: #174 Idle Drifter
That's what I asked I was eye balling a web comic for a few minutes when it happened.
Wow...I missed the word "eye" there the first time I read this and said, "I'm not sure I'd want to share that..."
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:12:08pm |
re: #175 WindUpBird
I have an ipod touch, and it's soured me further on apple, because Itunes sucks dog balls
the device is cool! it's actually a good deal for all the stuff it does. But itunes makes me want to go out and get an MP3 payer that doesn't have shitty bloatware required for its use.
I use it just as a games platform and occasional web browser. I use a Zune as my MP3 player.
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TedStriker Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:13:13pm |
re: #178 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
That post was not deleted. It never existed. And I...*flashes CIA badge*...was never here."
/
Good James Earl Jones/Hunt for Red October reference there ;-P
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MichaelJ Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:13:17pm |
re: #168 WindUpBird
The PowerMac 8500 sucked. That machine was from a time when Apple was making some of the worst products they had ever made. Chipsets were changing, management was clueless, Mac OS 8 was buggy as hell, lots of reasons to hate Apple products back then. Have you done any serious price comparisons lately?
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CuriousLurker Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:13:45pm |
LOL, this kinda reminds me of the Mac vs. PC fights on the graphic design forums, when the usually warm & fuzzy liberal designers suddenly grab their X-Acto knives and start slicing each other. It gets even better if you throw Adobe Illustrator vs. Corel Draw into the mix.
Better yet, go into a coding forum and as whether it's better to hand code in a text editor or use Dreamweaver, then grab your popcorn & soda and sit back & enjoy.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:14:15pm |
re: #181 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I use it just as a games platform and occasional web browser. I use a Zune as my MP3 player.
I had a zune, it got stolen ;_;
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Idle Drifter Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:14:18pm |
re: #180 darthstar
Wow...I missed the word "eye" there the first time I read this and said, "I'm not sure I'd want to share that..."
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darthstar Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:14:43pm |
Speaking of things that should be deleted...the man with no pulse has a book coming out.
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Political Atheist Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:15:59pm |
re: #184 CuriousLurker
LOL, this kinda reminds me of the Mac vs. PC fights on the graphic design forums, when the usually warm & fuzzy liberal designers suddenly grab their X-Acto knives and start slicing each other. It gets even better if you throw Adobe Illustrator vs. Corel Draw into the mix.
Better yet, go into a coding forum and as whether it's better to hand code in a text editor or use Dreamweaver, then grab your popcorn & soda and sit back & enjoy.
Hey this is a perfect case study for confirmation bias don't ya think? A good paper awaits some undergrad...
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Flounder Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:16:01pm |
For shits and giggles and to those who would like to know, breathing in dry pigeon crap can lead to histoplasmosis: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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darthstar Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:16:32pm |
re: #189 Shropshire_Slasher
For shits and giggles and to those who would like to know, breathing in dry pigeon crap can lead to histoplasmosis: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Great...something else I have to give up.
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Idle Drifter Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:16:51pm |
re: #187 darthstar
So who would win in a fight Robot Nixon or Robot Cheney?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:17:06pm |
And one of the big reasons I prefer Apple stuff is that Microsoft stuff has caused me very big problems, more than once. More than 10 times, in fact.
I rate computer gear by the amount of pain it causes. Apple's way ahead on that scale.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:17:15pm |
re: #185 WindUpBird
I had a zune, it got stolen ;_;
I've had two, actually. My first was a first-gen 30 GB, which just bit the big one this past winter. Wouldn't keep a charge and the software hadn't been updated in forever, so I needed a replacement. Working with a Zune HD now, which is nice, but I have a feeling that Zunes won't be around much longer.
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TedStriker Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:17:52pm |
re: #177 Charles
No doubt that the brand adds something to the price of the equipment. But my own personal, anecdotal experience with Apple equipment, compared to all the other types of equipment now taking up space in my garage, is that Apple builds the best stuff.
I know familiarity plays a big part in this calculation, too, and I'm not trying to convert anyone to an Apple apostle. Just telling my own story.
Every single word I've posted at LGF was created on an Apple computer, except for some of the more recent ones, which were posted with an iPhone.
It's cool, whatever works for you and gives you the best results. Unfortunately, most PC and Mac users are not so well-informed or experienced and let marketing and talking heads dictate their choices.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:19:54pm |
re: #183 MichaelJ
The PowerMac 8500 sucked. That machine was from a time when Apple was making some of the worst products they had ever made. Chipsets were changing, management was clueless, Mac OS 8 was buggy as hell, lots of reasons to hate Apple products back then. Have you done any serious price comparisons lately?
Dude, you aren't listening to me.
it doesn't do what I need it to do. I use software that is Windows only, and I use a tower. A new one that was hand-built for me by Puget Systems for a very reasonable coin. No, I will not be adopting a new platform! I have a fantastic workstation, with a Cintiq 21ux attached to my quad core rig, and it plays well with my Xbox 360, allowing me to stream video and access media from the former to the latter.
Go price me a tower (or as they call it, a Mac Pro) on Apple's site. ;-)
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darthstar Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:20:32pm |
re: #191 Idle Drifter
So who would win in a fight Robot Nixon or Robot Cheney?
I liked Robot Nixon...he was a moderate - crazy as Bachmann on peyote, but a moderate...he'd be driven from the GOP as a pinko liberal commie plant today.
Cheney has no redeemable qualities. Even his daughter Liz is a shitstain of a human being...the other daughter isn't so bad I guess.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:20:38pm |
re: #167 Stanley Sea
My iPhone died sat night. Apple store: 2nd time I've seen this in 3 yrs. My bad luck, warranty replacement, but the 2 hrs on Sunday @ THE HATE MALL sucked.
First of all:
Second:
I had successfully avoided malls for YEARS until about a year ago when I had to buy a new set of tires. The auto shop was close to a large mall, so I figured I'd go in there, buy a paperback or something, and kill the time while they replaced my tires.
Much to my chagrin, there existed no book store or seller of periodicals whatsoever in the mall. I was flabbergasted for a minute, but then I remembered that it wasn't 1990 anymore, and there was no longer any such thing as B. Dalton or Waldenbooks, which were pretty much the only misery-free reasons to go to a mall.
So I had to sit there for 2 friggin hours with nothing to do except try not to look like I was just a weird 30-something dude creeping around the mall surreptitiously ogling females (which I totally was, but only incidentally. It was a side mission only, not the primary plot).
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:21:36pm |
re: #178 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
That post was not deleted. It never existed. And I...*flashes CIA badge*...was never here.
/
Now if you ladies & gentlemen would look at this little device right here...
*produces silver wand-like object, puts on sun glasses*
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CuriousLurker Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:22:27pm |
re: #188 Rightwingconspirator
Hey this is a perfect case study for confirmation bias don't ya think? A good paper awaits some undergrad...
Indeed. ;o)
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laZardo Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:23:51pm |
re: #198 negativ
Now if you ladies & gentlemen would look at this little device right here...
*produces silver wand-like object, puts on sun glasses*
I found the actual bug-van just off one of the Staten Island train stations when I visited the place back in '98. True story bro.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:24:00pm |
re: #184 CuriousLurker
LOL, this kinda reminds me of the Mac vs. PC fights on the graphic design forums, when the usually warm & fuzzy liberal designers suddenly grab their X-Acto knives and start slicing. It gets even better if you throw Adobe Illustrator vs. Corel Draw into the mix.
Better yet, go into a coding forum and as whether it's better to hand code in a text editor or use Dreamweaver, then grab your popcorn & soda and sit back & enjoy.
designers are more aggressive about this stuff than illustrators, I think because there's less agreement on What People Should Be Using As Their Drawing App. With deisgners, they're all generally Adobe guys on Mac versus Adobe guys on PC, and they just go to town on each other :D
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CuriousLurker Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:26:10pm |
re: #192 Charles
I like both my PC and my Mac, but I have to admit that the Mac is much easier in terms of maintenance, and it seems to manage memory a lot better. It's also a lot faster than my PC (but it's newer, so that's no surprise).
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:27:17pm |
re: #193 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I've had two, actually. My first was a first-gen 30 GB, which just bit the big one this past winter. Wouldn't keep a charge and the software hadn't been updated in forever, so I needed a replacement. Working with a Zune HD now, which is nice, but I have a feeling that Zunes won't be around much longer.
There's a lot of cheap Zune HDs floating around refurb, I'm sorely tempted, I loved the no-bullshit interface of it
I don't NEED an MP3 player, though, I don't drive enough
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MichaelJ Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:27:36pm |
re: #195 WindUpBird
Dude, you aren't listening to me.
it doesn't do what I need it to do. I use software that is Windows only, and I use a tower. A new one that was hand-built for me by Puget Systems for a very reasonable coin. No, I will not be adopting a new platform! I have a fantastic workstation, with a Cintiq 21ux attached to my quad core rig, and it plays well with my Xbox 360, allowing me to stream video and access media from the former to the latter.
Go price me a tower (or as they call it, a Mac Pro) on Apple's site. ;-)
I'd rather not. As I said earlier, use what you want, just don't hate the fact that some people prefer Apple products. The last thing I would ever want to do is force someone to use a platform they so clearly despise.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:28:38pm |
It's all been a matter of pain tolerance for me. Yeah, I have to put up with a lot of shit being a PC user, and I have to be virtually religious with my security software. But, being a gamer, that's my lot in life. Growing up, the words "Mac" and "gamer" didn't go together in a sentence without the word "impossible" figuring somewhere in there. Yeah, Macs would get some of the big games, but you'd be waiting for months afterward and the final product was not always guaranteed to match the original advertising. There's all the convenience factor of bumping up your specs just enough, whether it be a better video card or a stick of RAM, to play the next hot game.
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CuriousLurker Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:29:02pm |
re: #201 WindUpBird
designers are more aggressive about this stuff than illustrators, I think because there's less agreement on What People Should Be Using As Their Drawing App. With deisgners, they're all generally Adobe guys on Mac versus Adobe guys on PC, and they just go to town on each other :D
Heh, yeah, it gets pretty vicious.
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Idle Drifter Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:29:44pm |
re: #196 darthstar
I liked Robot Nixon...he was a moderate - crazy as Bachmann on peyote, but a moderate...he'd be driven from the GOP as a pinko liberal commie plant today.
Cheney has no redeemable qualities. Even his daughter Liz is a shitstain of a human being...the other daughter isn't so bad I guess.
I'd vote for Robot Nixon in 2012 even as Pr. Obama's runningmate. May death come swiftly to his enemies.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:30:40pm |
re: #203 WindUpBird
There's a lot of cheap Zune HDs floating around refurb, I'm sorely tempted, I loved the no-bullshit interface of it
I don't NEED an MP3 player, though, I don't drive enough
That's the only real thing I don't like about Zunes, the short supply of third-party items for it. Finding car adapters on the cheap for iPods is child's play, but it looks like if I want to use my Zune in my car anymore, I'm going to have to break down and buy from Microsoft. Ugh.
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windsagio Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:30:52pm |
wasn't it my understanding that as far as hardware goes the days of apple using separate stuff are long gone and now they use the same crap as everyone else?
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darthstar Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:31:59pm |
I have a friend who turned her old macbook into an Ubuntu box. Thing is smoking fast now. One of these days I'll throw a version of Linux onto one of my old Dell or HP laptops. I'm all about the usability of a system, not the label. That said, I'm primarily PC as I work for one of those companies that make the fucking things now...NTTAWWT.
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Political Atheist Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:32:18pm |
re: #209 windsagio
If by crap you mean Intel I suppose so.
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windsagio Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:32:42pm |
re: #211 Rightwingconspirator
sorry don't mean 'crap' as in bad, but rather as in 'stuff'.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:35:37pm |
re: #204 MichaelJ
I'd rather not. As I said earlier, use what you want, just don't hate the fact that some people prefer Apple products. The last thing I would ever want to do is force someone to use a platform they so clearly despise.
I don't hate anything. I don't despise the platform at all (I despise itunes and some of Apple's business practices in their app store, which hose small developers), I just bristle at your evangelical attitude which seems to be more about cheerleading and less about the needs of the guy actually using the computer, which would be me, for my business, which is me, alone, sitting at a computer all day making stuff. I wager I rely on my machine far more than you do on yours.
And then to cap it all off, the belittling stuff about "some people would rather drive a kia". Nice!
You're not exactly making your case, you know?
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CuriousLurker Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:35:51pm |
re: #209 windsagio
I think things like hard drives, CPU's, and RAM are the same now, but for me the "maintenance" difference is WRT software & OS updates, software installation, the ability to share & open files across both platforms. etc.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:36:49pm |
I'm setting up my new Windows 7 box.
I'm uninstalling Adobe creative suite and other stuff from my previous system. It's taking freaking forever.
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Political Atheist Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:40:47pm |
Just a thought-Take away the damage done to windows reputation by craven little hacker bastards and spammers and suddenly you have a much better situation. Yet we blame Microsoft for being unable to keep the black hat crowd at bay.
To some degree we are blaming the victim.
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MichaelJ Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:42:31pm |
re: #213 WindUpBird
I'm not the one saying (repeatedly) F Apple - you are. Find one comment where I said F Windows or any other platform.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:44:15pm |
re: #216 Rightwingconspirator
Just a thought-Take away the damage done to windows reputation by craven little hacker bastards and spammers and suddenly you have a much better situation. Yet we blame Microsoft for being unable to keep the black hat crowd at bay.
To some degree we are blaming the victim.
Microsoft's reputation still has a bit to work up to after Win95, ME, and most recently Vista. Seems like, for every good OS they put out, they put out a bastard child that refuels the fires of people's hate for the Evil Empire.
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darthstar Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:45:10pm |
re: #217 MichaelJ
I'm not the one saying BLAH BLAH BLAH - you are. Find one comment where I said BLAH BLAH BLAH.
Oh, you're one of those.
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Jaerik Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:45:35pm |
I have PC's for both my home and work desktops, but also a Macbook Air, iPad, and iPhone.
I'm a complete convert in the mobile space. It's just a priorities thing. I don't want customization, specs, 3rd party tweaks, etc on my mobile devices. I don't want to invest any time whatsoever on getting them set up and making them work. I literally want them to be stupidly shiny out of my pocket and handle a core set of tasks well, and I will pay the Apple premium to get that, even if it means I don't have as much freedom to extend or tweak those features to my liking, and am chained to their App Store forever. I don't have enough hours in the day to care.
That being said, it's unlikely I will ever get an Apple desktop -- I just need too many things back in the PC space for my work and home machine. (I'm an engine/platform programmer in the gaming industry.) PC is the platform I'm trained on, that all my peers use, that our target demo is on, and I'm really just not interested in converting within that work/play environment.
So I'm in both places: I understand the PC argument (and agree) when it comes to my desktops, but I understand the Apple argument (and agree) when it comes to my mobile devices. And I just don't get why people argue so vociferously about it.
And when my aunt's fourth PC in two years blew up (two from horrific viruses and two from hardware failures) this last weekend, you better believe we marched her straight to the Apple store. $700, Mac Mini. Here's your email and browser and photo album and Facebook. 15 minute setup. If it breaks, bring it back here and they fix it for free. Done.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:45:52pm |
re: #217 MichaelJ
I'm not the one saying (repeatedly) F Apple - you are. Find one comment where I said F Windows or any other platform.
Their business practices are still fucked up!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:46:00pm |
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Political Atheist Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:48:21pm |
re: #218 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
LOL too true. Dos 4.0 was my first OS disaster at work. Backed off to version 3.22 fast. Then windows ME. But I just love Win7. And XP sp3 served me very well a very long time.
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jaunte Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:48:29pm |
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windsagio Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:48:56pm |
re: #222 WindUpBird
Their business practices are still fucked up!
Favorite apple business practice:
"Company makes game that has a look-alike icon and name to angry birds, and buys up a ton of their own copies to get the game into the top sellers list, which has a drastic effect on future sales. Apple threatens to pull the product (falsifying sales like that is against their vendor TOS), then decides not to... when the company offers them 40% of the money from sales as compared to the usual 25%.
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TedStriker Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:50:53pm |
re: #217 MichaelJ
I'm not the one saying (repeatedly) F Apple - you are. Find one comment where I said F Windows or any other platform.
Funny, we were just discussing people acting like you are a thread or two back...
Image: ift.jpg
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windsagio Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:50:55pm |
Jaerik: Because the cultlike atmosphere around apple is annoying :p
As are those bastards that hog all the seats at (coffee shop of choice) 'writing their screenplay' on the free wifi. Was it the NY Starbucks where they had to block all their outlets to get people to actually move on?
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darthstar Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:51:37pm |
re: #224 Rightwingconspirator
LOL too true. Dos 4.0 was my first OS disaster at work. Backed off to version 3.22 fast. Then windows ME. But I just love Win7. And XP sp3 served me very well a very long time.
Dos 6.2 was good. Windows 3.1 wasn't bad. I loved Windows NT...and XP service pack 2 is still something I use via VMWare for executing automation because it's fucking stable. Win7 Enterprise isn't bad - I'm on it now. I don't care for the corporate update software I have to have, but hey, a free top end laptop is a free top end laptop.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:53:16pm |
re: #224 Rightwingconspirator
LOL too true. Dos 4.0 was my first OS disaster at work. Backed off to version 3.22 fast. Then windows ME. But I just love Win7. And XP sp3 served me very well a very long time.
I think I lost more than a few healthy neurons banging my head against my desk when I used to use Win95. Thankfully, they eventually released 98 and my sanity was restored for a time. Managed to bypass ME and Win2K before that computer expired and I got moved up straight to XP. Though, I was lucky that I started out right on SP2, so the headaches were (mostly) gone. This system's so old, there's no way I could successfully upgrade to Win7. Figure I'll do that when I can finally scrape the money together to afford a new system.
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:54:00pm |
Steve Jobs, the 18 Billion Dollar Man?
AAPL has lost $18 billion in market capitalization since the Jobs news broke, about the same as the GDP of Paraguay.
fivethirtyeight 1 hour
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:54:20pm |
re: #232 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Actually Windows 2000 was fantastic for me, stable as hell, i used it on a dell laptop as my primary art machine for years
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darthstar Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:55:24pm |
re: #233 JasonA
Steve Jobs, the 18 Billion Dollar Man?
AAPL has lost $18 billion in market capitalization since the Jobs news broke, about the same as the GDP of Paraguay.
fivethirtyeight 1 hour
Fuck, I'll stand around in a long sleeve black t-shirt and play with an iPad on stage. The guy's just a freakin' ceo, not a god.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:56:40pm |
re: #234 WindUpBird
Actually Windows 2000 was fantastic for me, stable as hell, i used it on a dell laptop as my primary art machine for years
Yeah, I worked with Win2K when I was taking technical classes in high school, and thought it was a great step up from Win98. But by that time, XP was out and so the system we bought came with it.
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:58:30pm |
re: #235 darthstar
Fuck, I'll stand around in a long sleeve black t-shirt and play with an iPad on stage. The guy's just a freakin' ceo, not a god.
A CEO who could cause his company's shares to go down if he was seen in public sucking on a cough drop... still, I wish him good health.
As for the company, like some others here, I hate some of Apple's practices and their smug marketing, but their build-quality really is second to none.
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austin_blue Wed, Aug 24, 2011 6:58:53pm |
re: #147 Charles
I'm telling you that Apple hardware and software is the best quality on the market. If any PC maker had gear that was of equivalent quality, I'd happily sing its praises to the world.
Brand loyalty is for suckers. I'm interested in results.
What would you rather play, an Epiphone or an Erlewine?
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TedStriker Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:00:20pm |
re: #233 JasonA
Steve Jobs, the 18 Billion Dollar Man?
AAPL has lost $18 billion in market capitalization since the Jobs news broke, about the same as the GDP of Paraguay.
fivethirtyeight 1 hour
And that's just after-hours trading...just think of the bloodbath that's gonna happen when Wall Street starts trading in the morning.
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TedStriker Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:00:50pm |
re: #238 austin_blue
What would you rather play, an Epiphone or an Erlewine?
Ooh, this is cool:
[Link: www.erlewineguitars.com...]
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:01:14pm |
re: #239 talon_262
And that's just after-hours trading...just think of the bloodbath that's gonna happen when Wall Street starts trading in the morning.
Think we might seem some boys taking swan dives out the windows?
/
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:03:16pm |
re: #239 talon_262
And that's just after-hours trading...just think of the bloodbath that's gonna happen when Wall Street starts trading in the morning.
We'll soon find out just how over-valued that stock was.
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TedStriker Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:05:00pm |
re: #241 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Think we might seem some boys taking swan dives out the windows?
Dunno about that, but it wouldn't shock me to see this drag down the Dow and NASDAQ a bit.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:08:29pm |
re: #243 talon_262
Dunno about that, but it wouldn't shock me to see this drag down the Dow and NASDAQ a bit.
And onward the rollercoaster goes...
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austin_blue Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:09:18pm |
re: #240 talon_262
Ooh, this is cool:
[Link: www.erlewineguitars.com...]
That's my buddy Mark. He played with She Who Must Be Obeyed in the local Andean music ensemble back in the early 80's before he became a full time Luthier. If Pat Metheny plays one of his axes, who's going to disagree? Charles is right. You can buy a McDell, or you can buy a Computer. I've been using a Mac Mini (with the last of the Motorola RISC chips) for 7 years. It's bulletproof.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:18:20pm |
re: #245 austin_blue
That's my buddy Mark. He played with She Who Must Be Obeyed in the local Andean music ensemble back in the early 80's before he became a full time Luthier. If Pat Metheny plays one of his axes, who's going to disagree? Charles is right. You can buy a McDell, or you can buy a Computer. I've been using a Mac Mini (with the last of the Motorola RISC chips) for 7 years. It's bulletproof.
4 year old MBP and last of the IBM x31s...built like tanks, still running like Volvos.
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austin_blue Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:18:40pm |
True story.
Steve Jobs invited all the leaders of the free world, both in government and business, to his house in Silicon Valley. When they arrived in his 20,000 square foot living room and got comfortable, he told them that he had a visit from God and the that earth was going to be destroyed in 30 days.
"The good news," he continued, "is that God and I are now on a first name basis. The even better news is that Gates doesn't have to worry about security breaches into Windows 7 anymore."
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:20:01pm |
re: #192 Charles
And one of the big reasons I prefer Apple stuff is that Microsoft stuff has caused me very big problems, more than once. More than 10 times, in fact.
I rate computer gear by the amount of pain it causes. Apple's way ahead on that scale.
It sounds you're well-acquainted with the Blue Screen of Death...
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Bear Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:21:05pm |
Back in the early 80's I attended a two day sales meeting where the manufacturer was selling a computer that would run both the MS and Apple software. Guess it was a good idea that did not fly though.
I did not get one anyway.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:21:21pm |
re: #231 darthstar
Dos 6.2 was good. Windows 3.1 wasn't bad. I loved Windows NT...and XP service pack 2 is still something I use via VMWare for executing automation because it's fucking stable. Win7 Enterprise isn't bad - I'm on it now. I don't care for the corporate update software I have to have, but hey, a free top end laptop is a free top end laptop.
Dos 7 was quite good if you got rid of that ugly shell program. //
Seriously, I've used DOS & all kinds of x86 OS's for decades now. I ran the Win NT public beta on a 386sx laptop with 16mb of ram before switching it to OS/2. Way before that I ran Minix and then Slackware 1.0 before discovering the much nicer *BSD's. For my uses, Apple gives me the best of all worlds and a BSD core to boot (IYPTE). And I'll let it go there.
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austin_blue Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:21:24pm |
re: #249 JasonA
It's sounds you're well-acquainted with the Blue Screen of Death...
I Am The Blue Screen Of Death.
No One Can Hear You Scream.
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:21:36pm |
If you looked at my twitter feed right now and didn't know any better you might think that Steve Jobs just died.
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darthstar Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:21:37pm |
re: #249 JasonA
It's sounds you're well-acquainted with the Blue Screen of Death...
I always called it the "Blue Screen of Happiness"
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:25:00pm |
Is it just me or is Facebook not working right now?
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:27:24pm |
re: #250 Bear
Back in the early 80's I attended a two day sales meeting where the manufacturer was selling a computer that would run both the MS and Apple software. Guess it was a good idea that did not fly though.
I did not get one anyway.
Again, any modern Mac will run OS X, Windows or Linux. I run all three on my Powerbook Pro because my clients run all three in their different production environments.
... one machine to bring them all and and in the darkness bind them.
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Political Atheist Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:29:07pm |
re: #257 goddamnedfrank
I have had a couple people assert that Lion could be put on my new 64 bit intel machine. I'd like to see that, might be interesting. But that is not a task I can do well.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:29:53pm |
re: #257 goddamnedfrank
... one machine to bring them all and and in the darkness bind them.
You just had to bring Intel into this discussion, didn't you?
///
But I do miss the 68k series. Readable assembly is such a joy.
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Bear Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:31:21pm |
re: #257 goddamnedfrank
Wonder if today the Win7 machines can also run the Mac Os? Or to put it another way can an Apple run software written for Windows?
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Stanghazi Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:31:28pm |
Was Beck's big Israel Rally today?
Didn't make much of a splash did it. Toast the Glen Father Coughlin Beck.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:34:40pm |
Worth checking out:
Fukushima Robot Operator Writes Tell-All Blog
[...]
The blog posts, which have recently been deleted, depict the operators’ extensive robot training exercises, as well actual missions, including surveying damage and contamination in and around the reactors and improvising a robotic vacuum to suck up radioactive dust. The author, who goes by the initials S.H., also used the blog to vent his frustrations with inept supervisors and unreasonable schedules, though he maintains a sense of humor, describing in one post how he punched a hole on a wall while driving a robot and, in another entry, how a drunken worker slept in his room by mistake.
The material also raises questions about whether Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO), the plant’s owner, is acting with adequate speed and providing enough robots and supporting resources for the robot teams. It's ironic that, although the robots are remote controlled, the operators still have to work close to the highly damaged and radioactive reactors. There is no communications infrastructure, combining wired and wireless capabilities, that would allow the operators to do their work from a safer location.[...]
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:36:26pm |
re: #260 Bear
Wonder if today the Win7 machines can also run the Mac Os? Or to put it another way can an Apple run software written for Windows?
Yes - it's fairly easy to make a Hackintosh out of a basic Windows box. You can then run OS X 10.5 or 10.6 easily. I'm sure 10.7 support is probably out there but i haven't played with it. Then you run any of a dozen virtualizers and install Windows alongside it. Main thing is to have enough cpu cycles & enough ram.
For that matter, you can, if you wish, use Bootcamp to install windows on a Macbook, for example, and never run a Mac program again.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:37:18pm |
Wow a half hour conversation I just had left me quite impressed....
Irony: A black Republican warning a WASP democrat about how Mexican Immigrants are going to take up too large a percent of Americas population.
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funky chicken Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:38:22pm |
re: #71 Killgore Trout
I mostly eat fish these days. I used to get red meat cravings once or twice a month until I started eating quinoa regularly. I never crave it anymore but I'll still eat it on occasion.
Shaddup you Oregon granolahead.
/translates to: I'm really damned jealous since I live in weather and grocery hell. People in OK actually like getting all their groceries at WalMart. I only eat fish at top-drawer places here because it's pretty awful anywhere else.
I have hope that the Whole Foods they are opening this fall might bring some decent fish to a retail setting. We'll see.
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theheat Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:38:26pm |
re: #184 CuriousLurker
Y/our age is showing ;-) I don't know if graphic designer youngins these days even use Exacto blades, do they?
"Why, back in the old days, we used to buy them blades wrapped in tissue paper, not these newfangled plastic tubes."
At one point way back when, I think I used my Exacto knife as an eating utensil, it was such second nature.
But I'm old.
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Bear Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:38:58pm |
re: #263 wlewisiii
Interesting. When I am next looking at a new computer I will have to check that out.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:43:24pm |
re: #231 darthstar
Dos 6.2 was good. Windows 3.1 wasn't bad.
DOS 6.2 was never good, and Windows 3.1 was never not-bad. The main purpose of DOS 6.2 was to incorporate shitty knock-off versions of competitors' tools like Stacker disk compression, Norton disk defrag, and memory management software like Q-EMM and BlueMax/386.
And Windows 3.anything... I mean, surely the Mayo Clinic has some help available.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:43:34pm |
re: #264 jamesfirecat
Wow a half hour conversation I just had left me quite impressed...
Irony: A black Republican warning a WASP democrat about how Mexican Immigrants are going to take up too large a percent of Americas population.
Cons like that remind me of the Debbie Schlusels of the world, who will say any heinous thing for temporary WASP status. No matter how fleeting, or elusive.
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laZardo Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:43:45pm |
The iPhone is so good, it's now illegal in some parts of Europe to try something else!
Edit: goddamn the incoming tech singularity making distinguishing between smartphones and tablets confusing
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:44:09pm |
re: #270 negativ
And Windows 3.anything... I mean, surely the Mayo Clinic has some help available.
rotfl!
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TedStriker Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:44:59pm |
re: #260 Bear
Wonder if today the Win7 machines can also run the Mac Os? Or to put it another way can an Apple run software written for Windows?
There's the Hackintosh project, but it's much harder to get OSX running on just any old Windows machine, since Apple has very limited system configurations compared to what MS has to support. The EFI bootloaders Apple uses in their machines (where most Windows machine still boot from a BIOS) complicates things too...
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b_sharp Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:45:23pm |
re: #260 Bear
Wonder if today the Win7 machines can also run the Mac Os? Or to put it another way can an Apple run software written for Windows?
Both Apple and PCs use the same CPU architecture, but Apple uses a form of Unix and Unix cannot run Windows apps without using something like Wine. Windows cannot run Unix/Linux apps.
It does look like Win 7 can be installed on Apple Intel based hardware, and OS X can be installed on PC Intel based hardware.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:45:33pm |
re: #265 funky chicken
Shaddup you Oregon granolahead.
/translates to: I'm really damned jealous since I live in weather and grocery hell. People in OK actually like getting all their groceries at WalMart. I only eat fish at top-drawer places here because it's pretty awful anywhere else.
I have hope that the Whole Foods they are opening this fall might bring some decent fish to a retail setting. We'll see.
WF isn't bad for fish. I get my butterflied trout from there, probably twice a month.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:46:26pm |
re: #271 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Cons like that remind me of the Debbie Schlusels of the world, who will say any heinous thing for temporary WASP status. No matter how fleeting, or elusive.
Just to be clear... his words were along the lines of
"Are you sure that young Mexicans are going to be willign to pay taxes to look after a bunch of old white people?"
I'm paraphrasing but the part where he said "bunch of old white people" is dead on the money so it wasn't just that he was bemoaning Mexican immigrants taking up to much of America's population but that WHITES wouldn't be making up enough of it....
I really do feel sorry for the guy he was a great roomate two and a half years.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:48:12pm |
re: #265 funky chicken
Shaddup you Oregon granolahead.
/translates to: I'm really damned jealous since I live in weather and grocery hell. People in OK actually like getting all their groceries at WalMart. I only eat fish at top-drawer places here because it's pretty awful anywhere else.
I have hope that the Whole Foods they are opening this fall might bring some decent fish to a retail setting. We'll see.
They will. My parents buy fish from whole foods at times and its quite good. Of course, much of that quality is due to my mother's excellent cooking skills, so your results may vary.
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:48:33pm |
i think i heard that these days Apple computers have an Intel cpu. I know that for many years they used Motorola cpus when at the same time most other pcs, the ones that come loaded with a Windows OS, were using Intel cpus
now, all programs running on a computer, including the OS which is ultimately just another program, need to speak the language of the cpu, known as 'machine' language. Intel cpus and Motorola cpus use different machine languages, so to run an Apple OS on a "Windows machine", that is, an Intel cpu machine, in the old days, required that the Apple OS be re-written in Intel machine language. If Apple is now using Intel chips, it becomes merely a matter of loading whatever OS you want on to your machine, usually using different partitions of the hard drive to manage different OS, and other programs that manage switching between OSs
i'm pretty sure this is all correct, but please check me for errors
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darthstar Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:48:40pm |
re: #270 negativ
It was good for what I needed at the time, which was WordPerfect 5.0
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b_sharp Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:50:12pm |
re: #279 engineer dog
i think i heard that these days Apple computers have an Intel cpu. I know that for many years they used Motorola cpus when at the same time most other pcs, the ones that come loaded with a Windows OS, were using Intel cpus
now, all programs running on a computer, including the OS which is ultimately just another program, need to speak the language of the cpu, known as 'machine' language. Intel cpus and Motorola cpus use different machine languages, so to run an Apple OS on a "Windows machine", that is, an Intel cpu machine, in the old days, required that the Apple OS be re-written in Intel machine language. If Apple is now using Intel chips, it becomes merely a matter of loading whatever OS you want on to your machine, usually using different partitions of the hard drive to manage different OS, and other programs that manage switching between OSs
i'm pretty sure this is all correct, but please check me for errors
The hardware needs drivers.
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b_sharp Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:52:04pm |
re: #280 darthstar
It was good for what I needed at the time, which was WordPerfect 5.0
When compared to other DOS versions 6.2 was good. Compared to other Windows versions, and even OS/2 Win 3.11 was good. OS/2 was better but had far fewer apps.
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:53:43pm |
re: #281 b_sharp
The hardware needs drivers.
this is true, and different OSs, even different versions of Windows, require different things from system mode drivers
i once ported a system mode driver from Win 95 to NT, back in the 90s. the OS interface was way different
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austin_blue Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:56:23pm |
re: #279 engineer dog
i think i heard that these days Apple computers have an Intel cpu. I know that for many years they used Motorola cpus when at the same time most other pcs, the ones that come loaded with a Windows OS, were using Intel cpus
now, all programs running on a computer, including the OS which is ultimately just another program, need to speak the language of the cpu, known as 'machine' language. Intel cpus and Motorola cpus use different machine languages, so to run an Apple OS on a "Windows machine", that is, an Intel cpu machine, in the old days, required that the Apple OS be re-written in Intel machine language. If Apple is now using Intel chips, it becomes merely a matter of loading whatever OS you want on to your machine, usually using different partitions of the hard drive to manage different OS, and other programs that manage switching between OSs
i'm pretty sure this is all correct, but please check me for errors
You are correct. I am running 10.4.11, which is the last flavor of the Mac OS that can be run on the old RISC chips. Sad, but it seems that I will have to buy a Mac with Intel chips to upgrade my OS.
Piss.
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Stanghazi Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:56:47pm |
re: #277 jamesfirecat
Just to be clear... his words were along the lines of
"Are you sure that young Mexicans are going to be willign to pay taxes to look after a bunch of old white people?"
I'm paraphrasing but the part where he said "bunch of old white people" is dead on the money so it wasn't just that he was bemoaning Mexican immigrants taking up to much of America's population but that WHITES wouldn't be making up enough of it...
I really do feel sorry for the guy he was a great roomate two and a half years.
Social security taxes are not a choice. It's a done deal. Everyone will pay. Amazing how he tossed in his prejudice so ignorantly.
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b_sharp Wed, Aug 24, 2011 7:59:31pm |
re: #283 engineer dog
this is true, and different OSs, even different versions of Windows, require different things from system mode drivers
i once ported a system mode driver from Win 95 to NT, back in the 90s. the OS interface was way different
I never did that. I once hacked a game by decompiling it, changing a jmp command and then recompiling it.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:01:49pm |
re: #265 funky chicken
Fish are friends, not food.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:02:51pm |
re: #66 Dark_Falcon
I exaggerate, but not by much.
My grandfather was a caddy. What you said is no exaggeration of what they think of us, believe it.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:03:04pm |
re: #285 Stanley Sea
Social security taxes are not a choice. It's a done deal. Everyone will pay. Amazing how he tossed in his prejudice so ignorantly.
I told the guy he should get an account here.
I figure he'll either end up flouncing/getting the ban hammer in which case I won't feel bad about severing ties with him or he'll learn a thing or two.
To his "credit" he did give me a "new" explanation for why WW2 ended the great depression without having to say government spending helped. It was that by the time the war was over we'd killed off enough of our excess population and leveled everyone elses factories so that we were the only economic game in town....
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:05:39pm |
re: #282 b_sharp
When compared to other DOS versions 6.2 was good. Compared to other Windows versions, and even OS/2 Win 3.11 was good. OS/2 was better but had far fewer apps.
DOS 5.0 was superior in every way to 6.x - it had native memory management tools (HAY GUISE REMEMBER WHEN YOU HAD TO MANAGE MEMORY! I MEAN LIKE WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EMS AND XMS AND HIMEM.SYS AND EMM386.EXE LOL MATH IS HARD LET'S GO SHOPPING) that were stable and did what they were supposed to do.
However, I won't sit idly by and have some ne'er-do-well assert that Windows 3.11 was superior to OS/2. If you insist on pursuing this course, I'm afraid I'll have no choice but to ask you to step outside!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:05:46pm |
re: #285 Stanley Sea
Social security taxes are not a choice. It's a done deal. Everyone will pay. Amazing how he tossed in his prejudice so ignorantly.
Stupid cons like that will say the first thing that comes out of their untutored mouths. They are like 5 year olds, with zero social filters.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:05:58pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:06:34pm |
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b_sharp Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:06:47pm |
re: #290 jamesfirecat
I told the guy he should get an account here.
I figure he'll either end up flouncing/getting the ban hammer in which case I won't feel bad about severing ties with him or he'll learn a thing or two.
To his "credit" he did give me a "new" explanation for why WW2 ended the great depression without having to say government spending helped. It was that by the time the war was over we'd killed off enough of our excess population and leveled everyone elses factories so that we were the only economic game in town...
Inventive.
Did these devastated countries have the money to buy goods from the US, or did the US 'donate' them?
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:07:01pm |
re: #284 austin_blue
You are correct. I am running 10.4.11, which is the last flavor of the Mac OS that can be run on the old RISC chips. Sad, but it seems that I will have to buy a Mac with Intel chips to upgrade my OS.
Piss.
10.5 runs on PPC and is usually faster than 10.4 on equal hardware IME. Your machine may or may not be supported (which one is it?) but I have 10.5.8 running on my son's 1.67ghz 15" PowerBook G4.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:08:50pm |
re: #290 jamesfirecat
To his "credit" he did give me a "new" explanation for why WW2 ended the great depression without having to say government spending helped. It was that by the time the war was over we'd killed off enough of our excess population and leveled everyone elses factories so that we were the only economic game in town...
Conservative misuses of history...eventually everything comes back to a celebration of killing and death. Even if he has to make it up.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:09:52pm |
re: #296 b_sharp
Inventive.
Did these devastated countries have the money to buy goods from the US, or did the US 'donate' them?
To be serious wasn't that what the entire Martial Marshal (YAY EDITING!) Plan was... us giving money to other nations so that they'd be able to get their economies geared up enough to buy stuff from us... and not take it from the Soviet's instead.
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darthstar Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:11:49pm |
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:12:57pm |
re: #299 jamesfirecat
To be serious wasn't that what the entire
MartialMarshal (YAY EDITING!) Plan was... us giving money to other nations so that they'd be able to get their economies geared up enough to buy stuff from us... and not take it from the Soviet's instead.
Pretty much. Not to mention we practically rebuilt Germany and Japans military forces from scratch, such that they were using US hardware for years before their own native manufacturers had begun churning out native designs.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:13:13pm |
re: #289 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
My grandfather was a caddy. What you said is no exaggeration of what they think of us, believe it.
I'm sorry to hear that. I'd learned in high school of how hurtful such words and belief were (I'd been told earlier, but that's when it sunk in), and I've tried to fight them where I see them. But now, racism seems to be getting worse, and it's not just wingnuts or SoCons. In 2009, more than one of my then co-workers at Sprint told me about the racial put-downs they'd gotten from customers and that's when I first started to think things were going worse. Because the people saying these things were 'normal' people from Illinois, most of them not wingnuts at all. Are things really worse now, or did they never get as good as I'd thought they did?
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:13:19pm |
re: #291 negativ
DOS 5.0 was superior in every way to 6.x - it had native memory management tools (HAY GUISE REMEMBER WHEN YOU HAD TO MANAGE MEMORY! I MEAN LIKE WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EMS AND XMS AND HIMEM.SYS AND EMM386.EXE LOL MATH IS HARD LET'S GO SHOPPING) that were stable and did what they were supposed to do.
However, I won't sit idly by and have some ne'er-do-well assert that Windows 3.11 was superior to OS/2. If you insist on pursuing this course, I'm afraid I'll have no choice but to ask you to step outside!
was windows 3.11 superior to anything?
i vividly remember the poor memory layout of win 3.1, where system memory that managed the GUI was apparently butt up against allocations for pgm memory. working in 'C', all you had to do was overwrite outside of legal memory for a few bytes and pretty soon the system would be putting up funky ass semi transparent displays
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Political Atheist Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:15:42pm |
re: #304 engineer dog
was windows 3.11 superior to anything?i vividly remember the poor memory layout of win 3.1, where system memory that managed the GUI was apparently butt up against allocations for pgm memory. working in 'C', all you had to do was overwrite outside of legal memory for a few bytes and pretty soon the system would be putting up funky ass semi transparent displays
It was superior to everything for untrained / new staff. That was the difference. They could see what to do. No more digging through limited mobility menus. That was my experience at work.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:17:25pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:18:38pm |
re: #290 jamesfirecat
I told the guy he should get an account here.
I figure he'll either end up flouncing/getting the ban hammer in which case I won't feel bad about severing ties with him or he'll learn a thing or two.
To his "credit" he did give me a "new" explanation for why WW2 ended the great depression without having to say government spending helped. It was that by the time the war was over we'd killed off enough of our excess population and leveled everyone elses factories so that we were the only economic game in town...
Our actual population losses were fairly small in relative terms (though large in absolute terms, but still very low by that war's measure). So his first point doesn't hold at all.
The second point has some truth to it: One of the reasons many US industries (auto makers, for example) did so well post-war was that their competitors in Germany, France, Italy, and Japan had been blasted to rubble. That advantage was temporary, and we've paid dearly for failing to understand that it was. But we did help those nations get back on their feet (as you and TP note), and your friend fails to understand that too.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:19:01pm |
re: #295 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Sadly, yes.
re: #299 jamesfirecat
To be serious wasn't that what the entire Martial Plan was...
ಠ_ಠ
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:19:12pm |
ok, for the hackers here - do any of you know the significance of 'dead beef' and 'feee feee'?
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b_sharp Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:20:24pm |
re: #291 negativ
DOS 5.0 was superior in every way to 6.x - it had native memory management tools (HAY GUISE REMEMBER WHEN YOU HAD TO MANAGE MEMORY! I MEAN LIKE WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EMS AND XMS AND HIMEM.SYS AND EMM386.EXE LOL MATH IS HARD LET'S GO SHOPPING) that were stable and did what they were supposed to do.
However, I won't sit idly by and have some ne'er-do-well assert that Windows 3.11 was superior to OS/2. If you insist on pursuing this course, I'm afraid I'll have no choice but to ask you to step outside!
I progressed from DOS 3.2 through to DOS 6.2 and used QEMM, started with Windows 2 and ended up with Windows 3.11, used several versions of Linux and both OS/2 2.0, and Warp. I much preferred OS/2 Warp and Mandrake, but they just didn't run the apps I needed.
If you really want to step outside, then I guess we'll have to step outside. Give me a minute to give my Sifu a call, and he should be here in a bit.
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jaunte Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:21:22pm |
Taste of things to come: Texas drought to shut down power plants
If the state’s drought continues for much longer and water levels continue falling at other power plant reservoirs, other units could be forced to curtail operations or shut-down completely, [said Kent Saathoff, vice president of system planning and operations for the Electric Reliability Council of Texas.]
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:22:08pm |
re: #305 Rightwingconspirator
It was superior to everything for untrained / new staff. That was the difference. They could see what to do. No more digging through limited mobility menus. That was my experience at work.
Not quite everything even given that - Amiga, Atari and Macintosh all had superior GUI experiences at the time of Win 3.1 but it was sufficiently better than DOS and it ran on many of the legacy PCs that many offices already had. I often wonder if the Mac had been delayed one year and coded for the 386 what might have been different but there is no way Steve Jobs would have allowed that to happen.
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:22:19pm |
re: #303 Dark_Falcon
Are things really worse now, or did they never get as good as I'd thought they did?
Excellent question. I'm not sure of the answer. However, I've always felt there's a base level of "latent bigotry" lurking within most people, and the right mix of the wrong circumstances will bring it out.
In other words, people haven't become "more racist", just more comfortable with expressing those sentiments more loudly and more often.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:23:28pm |
"To crush your enemies -- See them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!"
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:24:19pm |
re: #309 engineer dog
ok, for the hackers here - do any of you know the significance of 'dead beef' and 'feee feee'?
They are both easy to remember hexadecimal numbers.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:25:03pm |
re: #316 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"To crush your enemies -- See them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!"
That is good! That is good.
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:25:05pm |
re: #305 Rightwingconspirator
It was superior to everything for untrained / new staff. That was the difference. They could see what to do. No more digging through limited mobility menus. That was my experience at work.
well, definitely the advent of windowing GUIs was a quantum leap in useability, and Win 3.1 was the first widely used implementation, and externally roughly equal to the MacOS of the time
internally, though, it was a hack
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:25:27pm |
re: #315 b_sharp
Yah, right. What a loser system
Atari 800XL is where it's at.
I miss my Amiga 500. Especially once I got it up to a meg of ram and got a 20 mb hard drive in the sidecar...
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:25:53pm |
re: #312 jaunte
Taste of things to come: Texas drought to shut down power plants
Do you think this is God's will? Nah, can't be, must be a sign that we need further deregulation.
//
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:26:53pm |
re: #317 prononymous
They are both easy to remember hexadecimal numbers.
try thinking about reading memory dumps
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b_sharp Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:27:49pm |
re: #304 engineer dog
was windows 3.11 superior to anything?
i vividly remember the poor memory layout of win 3.1, where system memory that managed the GUI was apparently butt up against allocations for pgm memory. working in 'C', all you had to do was overwrite outside of legal memory for a few bytes and pretty soon the system would be putting up funky ass semi transparent displays
All of it but Linux/Unix/BSD was easy to blow up. Win 3.1 was no worse than any other Windows version of the time, or OS/2 2.0.
Don't compare the old software to the new stuff. All the old stuff looks like shit if you do.
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darthstar Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:28:00pm |
re: #317 prononymous
They are both easy to remember hexadecimal numbers.
My favorite:
0xDEFEC8ED ("defecated") - the magic number for OpenSolaris core dumps
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jaunte Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:29:20pm |
re: #321 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
We got a couple of drops of rain tonight, but it was just a tease.
The dry soil is causing some more problems:
Before this year, the city had never gone more than 93 days without recording at least one-half inch of rain during a single day. The present drought has smashed through that record, reaching a string of 145 days through Friday.As a result, lawns are browning, critters are thirsty and water levels at some of the city's key sources, including Lake Houston, are falling.
But during a news conference late Friday to announce voluntary rationing, Mayor Annise Parker said the city has ample supplies in its reservoirs.
However, she said, "because of the shifting clay soil here in the city of Houston, we are now facing an epidemic of water main breaks, which is causing a significant problem in our water distribution system.[Link: www.chron.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:30:08pm |
re: #312 jaunte
Taste of things to come: Texas drought to shut down power plants
Texas needs one of this season's tropical storms to hit it. I'd like such a storm to spawn a tornado near Rick Perry, which would then sweep him away to the land of Oz, never to return.
/kidding
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:31:15pm |
re: #326 Dark_Falcon
Texas needs one of this season's tropical storms to hit it. I'd like such a storm to spawn a tornado near Rick Perry, which would then sweep him away to the land of Oz, never to return.
You can have Irene, because folks over here in NC and VA don't want her.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:32:02pm |
re: #303 Dark_Falcon
I'm sorry to hear that. I'd learned in high school of how hurtful such words and belief were (I'd been told earlier, but that's when it sunk in), and I've tried to fight them where I see them. But now, racism seems to be getting worse, and it's not just wingnuts or SoCons. In 2009, more than one of my then co-workers at Sprint told me about the racial put-downs they'd gotten from customers and that's when I first started to think things were going worse. Because the people saying these things were 'normal' people from Illinois, most of them not wingnuts at all. Are things really worse now, or did they never get as good as I'd thought they did?
No, they are not worse now, they just seem more prevalent to people who have been sheltered from their effects. Also, they can no longer be as easily or actively denied since they're in the news every other day. Prior to the 24/7 news cycle, we were lying when we discussed it (now we're just racists when we discuss it. In that since, the miseducation has gotten much worse.)
Doesn't matter what state people are from; the behavior is not new, neither is their rhetoric nor their goals.
Re: wingnuts and socons, not all socons have overt race issues, though there is plenty of overlap with the wingnuts who do. Both have a party that not only articulates their views but actively courts them. That, too, is not new.
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b_sharp Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:35:16pm |
re: #320 wlewisiii
I miss my Amiga 500. Especially once I got it up to a meg of ram and got a 20 mb hard drive in the sidecar...
I miss my 1040 ST, but I still have my 520 ST. The Amiga was the logical evolution of the Atari 800XL/1200XL.
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:38:32pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:38:59pm |
re: #328 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
In that
since, the miseducation has gotten much worse.)
Lol Looks like we need a new acronym: ETHE! - Editing time has expired!
Sense
Also, if you ask me, the overall, general ignorance of people today is far worse than when I was a kid. And we were ignorant as effing-eff, then; many of us still are. We are becoming a country of illiterates. /rant
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:40:08pm |
re: #327 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
You can have Irene, because folks over here in NC and VA don't want her.
NC must be totally freaking out: earthquakes and hurricanes in the same week. That's f'ed up.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:41:01pm |
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austin_blue Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:41:27pm |
re: #297 wlewisiii
10.5 runs on PPC and is usually faster than 10.4 on equal hardware IME. Your machine may or may not be supported (which one is it?) but I have 10.5.8 running on my son's 1.67ghz 15" PowerBook G4.
I've got a 1.5 ghz running on a Mac Mini.
Here's the chapter and verse:
Hardware Overview:
Machine Name: Mac mini
Machine Model: PowerMac10,2
CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (1.5)
Number Of CPUs: 1
CPU Speed: 1.5 GHz
L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB
Memory: 512 MB
Bus Speed: 167 MHz
Boot ROM Version: 4.9.4f1
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RadicalModerate Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:41:32pm |
The only "good" version of Windows 3.x was NT 3.51 - between it and Windows 2000 Server, were probably two of the most stable server OS's that Microsoft ever put out. Windows 3.0 had only rudimentary networking support, 3.1/3.11 were better, but still didn't play well with non-Microsoft (ie Novell IPX) networks.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:42:03pm |
re: #332 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Lol Looks like we need a new acronym: ETHE! - Editing time has expired!
Sense
Also, if you ask me, the overall, general ignorance of people today is far worse than when I was a kid. And we were ignorant as effing-eff, then; many of us still are. We are becoming a country of illiterates. /rant
I know. It's appalling how little people know about history and other nations these days.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:43:41pm |
re: #333 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
NC must be totally freaking out: earthquakes and hurricanes in the same week. That's f'ed up.
Thankfully, the current track's looking more and more like the brunt will skirt the Outer Banks, miss us up here in Hampton Roads, and go out to sea over the course of Saturday. It's also looking like it'll weaken by then, which will mean not as much wind damage. We'll definitely get the outer bands, and perhaps some of the inner bands, but the eye itself will probably be well out to sea.
On the other hand, this baby is supposed to hug the coast, so folks up north might get their socks knocked off by the beginning of next week.
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:44:31pm |
re: #336 RadicalModerate
The only "good" version of Windows 3.x was NT 3.51 - between it and Windows 2000 Server, were probably two of the most stable server OS's that Microsoft ever put out. Windows 3.0 had only rudimentary networking support, 3.1/3.11 were better, but still didn't play well with non-Microsoft (ie Novell IPX) networks.
i think NT was completely designed and coded from scratch, throwing the 3.1 design completely out the window - it certainly seemed like it. i heard all Win OSs since NT have been based on the NT design
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austin_blue Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:44:53pm |
re: #312 jaunte
Taste of things to come: Texas drought to shut down power plants
Yes. It's getting scary.
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b_sharp Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:45:14pm |
re: #328 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
No, they are not worse now, they just seem more prevalent to people who have been sheltered from their effects. Also, they can no longer be as easily or actively denied since they're in the news every other day. Prior to the 24/7 news cycle, we were lying when we discussed it (now we're just racists when we discuss it. In that since, the miseducation has gotten much worse.)
Doesn't matter what state people are from; the behavior is not new, neither is their rhetoric nor their goals.
Re: wingnuts and socons, not all socons have overt race issues, though there is plenty of overlap with the wingnuts who do. Both have a party that not only articulates their views but actively courts them. That, too, is not new.
I don't know what it's like in the US, but up here there was a definite lull in overt racism against aboriginals over the past 20 years that is making a comeback in rural areas. There has always been bigots willing to act like shits but the number of people doing so did drop quite a bit. Because my wife is aboriginal and I'm lily white, I get told things by bigots they wouldn't say to my wife and my wife gets told things by bigots they wouldn't say in front of me. Both of us did notice a drop in racism in both rural and urban areas - for a while.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:45:39pm |
re: #338 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Thankfully, the current track's looking more and more like the brunt will skirt the Outer Banks, miss up here in Hampton Roads, and go out to sea over the course of Saturday. It's also looking like it'll weaken by then, which will mean not as much wind damage. We'll definitely get the outer bands, and perhaps some of the inner bands, but the eye itself will probably be well out to sea.
On the other hand, this baby is supposed to hug the coast, so folks up north might get their socks knocked off by the beginning of next week.
I hope it makes no major landfall. Hurricanes are nightmarish to be subjected to.
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b_sharp Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:46:20pm |
re: #331 engineer dog
you could always pick your nose with barbed wire instead!
That would be far more fun. I do value my eyes and my mind too much to even glance at a dump.
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darthstar Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:48:57pm |
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b_sharp Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:49:07pm |
re: #339 engineer dog
i think NT was completely designed and coded from scratch, throwing the 3.1 design completely out the window - it certainly seemed like it. i heard all Win OSs since NT have been based on the NT design
All except ME.
NT originally stood for New Technology. Now it stands for Network Technology.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:49:48pm |
re: #342 Dark_Falcon
I hope it makes no major landfall. Hurricanes are nightmarish to be subjected to.
I'll have to knock on wood by saying this, but so far I've been lucky that I've not had to live through a major storm going right over me. Generally, every time I've been in the path of a hurricane, it's either A) veered off and shown us its backside or B) weakened to barely a hurricane by the time it arrived. Last time was Isabel back in '03, and that was a far more direct storm. This baby isn't tracking anything like that one was, coming up the coast rather than making a virtual beeline for us.
Personally, I consider all this remarkable considering I've spent most of my life living up and down the southern part of the Eastern Seaboard. And every place I've lived, it's the same line: "We're due for a big one..."
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austin_blue Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:50:35pm |
re: #326 Dark_Falcon
Texas needs one of this season's tropical storms to hit it. I'd like such a storm to spawn a tornado near Rick Perry, which would then sweep him away to the land of Oz, never to return.
Even in the most powerful tornado, Rick's magic hair would never move. And his Pointy Boots would keep him firmly on the ground.
He's not like the rest of us. He has been chosen by Gawd.
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funky chicken Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:55:04pm |
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austin_blue Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:55:55pm |
re: #344 Stanley Sea
do you have nuke plants hurting for cooling h20?
Not yet. We have have two operating stations, Glen Rose on the Brazos and the South Texas Nuclear Project near Bay City. Right now, both stations have ample water. But if La Nina returns this fall and we have another dry winter, this State is going to have some major decisions about where to put our internally displaced population in west Texas.
No shit. It will be that bad.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:56:00pm |
re: #335 austin_blue
I've got a 1.5 ghz running on a Mac Mini.
Here's the chapter and verse:
Hardware Overview:
Machine Name: Mac mini
Machine Model: PowerMac10,2
CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (1.5)
Number Of CPUs: 1
CPU Speed: 1.5 GHz
L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB
Memory: 512 MB
Bus Speed: 167 MHz
Boot ROM Version: 4.9.4f1
Yep, sounds like my wife's old mini. Kick the ram up to a 1 gb (PC2700 (333 MHz) DDR SDRAM) stick and you can put 10.5.8 on it and keep it going for quite awhile yet. Good time to bump your internal HD too.
If you want 10.6+ then you'll need to go intel, but you can still get a fair bit of use out of that little box if you want to.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:57:42pm |
re: #348 austin_blue
Even in the most powerful tornado, Rick's magic hair would never move. And his Pointy Boots would keep him firmly on the ground.
He's not like the rest of us. He has been chosen by Gawd.
Rats. He'd do so well as one of the flying monkeys.
//
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austin_blue Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:58:03pm |
re: #349 funky chicken
solar solar solar
And wind wind wind. And nuke nuke nuke. We need to get rid of coal coal coal.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:58:57pm |
re: #7 ProLifeLiberal
Long-term, you're right.
Short-term though: Expect Panic.
An odd situation from a game point of view. If it's really a good bet that Apple will prosper eventually, what's to stop somebody buying into the panic and pocketing some profits by and by? And if we're mostly rational, wouldn't that damp down the panic right away?
But most of us can't be more rational than most of the rest of us. A panic, should one develop, will be proof that other just as rational thinkers expect that Jobs will turn out to have been the muse of Apple, and that Apple will now be rudderless.
And yet. We all knew Jobs was mortal. Knew it all along. So there shouldn't be a panic. This day was in the cards. So if there's a panic, either it's wrong headed, or the previous optimism about Apple was wrong headed. But which?
Puzzles.
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austin_blue Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:59:25pm |
re: #351 wlewisiii
Yep, sounds like my wife's old mini. Kick the ram up to a 1 gb (PC2700 (333 MHz) DDR SDRAM) stick and you can put 10.5.8 on it and keep it going for quite awhile yet. Good time to bump your internal HD too.
If you want 10.6+ then you'll need to go intel, but you can still get a fair bit of use out of that little box if you want to.
(Tugs forelock) Thank you very much!
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:59:45pm |
re: #339 engineer dog
i think NT was completely designed and coded from scratch, throwing the 3.1 design completely out the window - it certainly seemed like it. i heard all Win OSs since NT have been based on the NT design
Oh, my. Yes. Yes it was. Dave Cutler, the man behind the design of VMS, did the heavy lifting. MS would later compromise the design significantly, but NT 3.51 remains the crowning achievement of MS programmers.
NT on DEC ALPHA was truly great. Nothing from Redmond, before or since, has been that awesome.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Aug 24, 2011 8:59:56pm |
re: #349 funky chicken
solar
solar
solar
Wind. If we could get the transmission lines' eminent domain rights settled, we could build a lot more wind power farms.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:06:03pm |
re: #316 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"To crush your enemies -- See them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!"
It's part of the quote from Genghis Khan. The rest of it rejoices in taking the place of the now dead husbands. Some 3 percent of the Y chromosomes of men in a wide swath of what once was the Mongol Empire are near perfect copies of each other. The original bearer of that chromosome must have been Genghis Khan himself. His reproductive strategy wasn't nice at all, but it, err, worked.
When we wonder why dictators act the way they do, there's a clue.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:07:58pm |
re: #27 Dark_Falcon
Sadly, it looks like Hamas has figured out how to get at least some rockets past Iron Dome. Iron Dome can't hit all the rockets if large enough salvos are fired. The good news is that Hamas is burning a lot of ammo to saturate the defenses.
What else is new? But Hamas is playing with fire. If defense doesn't work, there's always counterbattery fire. Iron Dome is Israel's way of trying to play nice.
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jaunte Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:14:16pm |
Gaddafi's Fleeing Mercenaries Describe the Collapse of the Regime
Right from the start, Mario, an ethnic Croatian artillery specialist from Bosnia, suspected it was a lost cause.
"My men were mainly from the south [of Libya] and Chad, and there were a few others from countries south of Libya," said Mario, who spoke on condition that his last name not be published. A veteran of the wars of the former Yugoslavia, he had been hired by the Gaddafi regime to help fight the rebels and, later, NATO.
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:19:53pm |
re: #359 lostlakehiker
It's part of the quote from Genghis Khan. The rest of it rejoices in taking the place of the now dead husbands. Some 3 percent of the Y chromosomes of men in a wide swath of what once was the Mongol Empire are near perfect copies of each other. The original bearer of that chromosome must have been Genghis Khan himself. His reproductive strategy wasn't nice at all, but it, err, worked.
When we wonder why dictators act the way they do, there's a clue.
there's an interesting idea from the very dawn of the history of homo sapiens sapiens, about something that is deduced to have happened i think about 100 thousand BC, long before our ancestors even started to leave africa and populate the rest of the earth, which happened about 60 to 40 thousand BC
it seems that there was a severe drought about that time, which according to the dna record and other deductions reduced the human population to a few thousand individuals, and came very close to wiping us out completely. a narrow bottleneck in the evolution of anatomically modern humans due to severe climate conditions
i sometimes wonder about the action of natural selection on the nature of humans from that trying time. perhaps the results on human nature and morality were not entirely good...
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:24:01pm |
re: #360 lostlakehiker
What else is new? But Hamas is playing with fire. If defense doesn't work, there's always counterbattery fire. Iron Dome is Israel's way of trying to play nice.
The problem is that counter battery fire will at some point kill civilians, which Israel then gets blamed for, even though they tried to avoid that happening.
The good news is that Iron Dome can likely be improved quickly. Moreover, the multi-second heat blooms from multiple launches of BM-21 rockets (to prevent the rockets interfering with each other's flight, they must be launched at half-second intervals) makes those launching them vulnerable to attacks by helicopter gunships or drones.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:24:05pm |
Sounds like Glenn Beck's Jerusalem rally fell flat.
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allegro Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:25:42pm |
re: #362 engineer dog
there's an interesting idea from the very dawn of the history of homo sapiens sapiens, about something that is deduced to have happened i think about 100 thousand BC, long before our ancestors even started to leave africa and populate the rest of the earth, which happened about 60 to 40 thousand BC
it seems that there was a severe drought about that time, which according to the dna record and other deductions reduced the human population to a few thousand individuals, and came very close to wiping us out completely. a narrow bottleneck in the evolution of anatomically modern humans due to severe climate conditions
i sometimes wonder about the action of natural selection on the nature of humans from that trying time. perhaps the results on human nature and morality were not entirely good...
Even if you entertain the idea of genetic memory as I do, this particular event is way too far back to have any impact on today's sense of ethics. However natural selection is still as impactful as ever. It's just a bit less Nature and more nurture, or lack thereof.
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Political Atheist Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:25:59pm |
re: #290 jamesfirecat
I told the guy he should get an account here.
I figure he'll either end up flouncing/getting the ban hammer in which case I won't feel bad about severing ties with him or he'll learn a thing or two.
Careful, that's what I thought about mikeysmoky2. The cut and Page guy.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:26:16pm |
re: #364 SanFranciscoZionist
Sounds like Glenn Beck's Jerusalem rally fell flat.
That was today? Here's hoping he sort of fades away into the whiney zone of the has-been.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:29:03pm |
re: #367 wlewisiii
That was today? Here's hoping he sort of fades away into the whiney zone of the has-been.
He will. He's radioactive to advertisers and no TV shows want him on. That makes his fall inevitable.
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allegro Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:30:06pm |
re: #368 Dark_Falcon
He will. He's radioactive to advertisers and no TV shows want him on. That makes his fall inevitable.
Why did I just get a flash of Mort Downey?
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:31:19pm |
re: #365 allegro
Even if you entertain the idea of genetic memory as I do, this particular event is way too far back to have any impact on today's sense of ethics. However natural selection is still as impactful as ever. It's just a bit less Nature and more nurture, or lack thereof.
i have an idea the bottleneck might have favored mean and selfish natured people and resulted in those traits being more common in humans that cooperation and altruism
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:32:05pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:32:15pm |
He got about a thousand people. Americans who came with him, and some right-wing Israeli, I'm guessing almost all Anglim. Some lefty types had a counterdemo, but I don't know how many of them there were.
Sounds like a fizz.
I assume he still can do better in the States, it's just that most Israelis don't know who the hell Glenn Beck is, or care.
One commenter on Ynet said that he thought the terror attacks and rocketing this past week was an attempt to distract from Glenn's message. I REALLY hope he was kidding.
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Stanghazi Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:34:33pm |
re: #364 SanFranciscoZionist
Sounds like Glenn Beck's Jerusalem rally fell flat.
I haven't heard a PEEP. Thank dog.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:35:11pm |
With backing like Beck's you can't go far, but you can go too far. Barring last-minute delays, you can go with him all the way to perdition, via Armageddon. The chafing Zionist-Christians and evangelists no longer have patience to wait for doomsday.
This is the day, according to their faith, we shall happily perish in; most of the Jews will die in Armageddon - the final battle of between good and evil - against them, just so that Jesus, their savior, may finally rise from the dead. And the handful of us who survive will carry out the thousand-year vision by accepting the rule of another God. This is the vision that rabbis, settlers and other sorts of nationalist zealots are cooperating with and spreading a red carpet at the messiah's feet.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:35:48pm |
re: #315 b_sharp
Yah, right. What a loser system
Atari 800XL is where it's at.
I had a 130XE and a 400 *_*
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allegro Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:35:58pm |
re: #370 engineer dog
i have an idea the bottleneck might have favored mean and selfish natured people and resulted in those traits being more common in humans that cooperation and altruism
I get that connection. At the same time, cooperation and altruism within the extended family tribe was essential to survival. Every man for himself was certain doom since humans are, in terms of Nature and competing species, incredibly physically weak creatures alone. I can certainly see the argument towards tribalism applying.
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allegro Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:36:34pm |
re: #371 Dark_Falcon
Because you have a good memory.
I think that was a nice way of saying "Wow, you are OLD!" LOL
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:38:20pm |
re: #374 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Beck is operating a paysite now, so he's probably looking to target the more extreme and weird, casual fox news viewers aren't paying for his content, but the really riled up and nutty ones will
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Kragar Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:42:25pm |
re: #378 WindUpBird
Beck is operating a paysite now, so he's probably looking to target the more extreme and weird, casual fox news viewers aren't paying for his content, but the really riled up and nutty ones will
Hmm, Beck or pron, pron or Beck, decisions decisions
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Stanghazi Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:43:08pm |
re: #378 WindUpBird
Beck is operating a paysite now, so he's probably looking to target the more extreme and weird, casual fox news viewers aren't paying for his content, but the really riled up and nutty ones will
The most crazy.
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:43:35pm |
re: #379 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Hmm, Beck or pron, pron or Beck, decisions decisions
In another, more terrifying, alternate universe I'm sure you can have both.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:45:57pm |
re: #381 JasonA
In another, more terrifying, alternate universe I'm sure you can have both.
Rule 34 is a dangerous thing
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:46:08pm |
re: #377 allegro
I think that was a nice way of saying "Wow, you are OLD!" LOL
Actually, I do remember a little about Downey. So it was more of a pure compliment.
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allegro Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:46:39pm |
re: #380 Stanley Sea
The most crazy.
That makes me sad. It is a statement of the most venal exploitation of the most willfully ignorant. They mostly deserve each other but still...
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:49:14pm |
re: #381 JasonA
In another, more terrifying, alternate universe I'm sure you can have both.
Meanwhile, the commenters on a piece by Esther Pollard about her husband appear to have forgotten that
a. Pollard's been in prison since '87, and we've had a couple presidents since then and
b. George W. Bush, Israel's bestest bestest friend EVAH (TM) made no moves toward clemency. There might be a reason why, and that reason might still apply.
God, people who beat up on Obama because they just FEEL that he's out to get Israel annoy me.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:49:16pm |
hmmmmm......
Wiltshire cash machine attacked by woman wielding shoe
The woman stood at the machine for several minutes before attacking it, police said
A woman who attacked a cash machine in Wiltshire with a high-heeled stiletto, is being sought by police.
The cash machine, outside Barclays Bank in the Market Place in Chippenham, was struck "almost 50 times" by a woman shortly after midnight on 2 July.
Officers said the woman stood at the cash machine for several minutes before removing her shoe and striking it.
Both keypad and screen were damaged in the attack. Police are appealing for help to identify the woman.
Wiltshire Police released CCTV footage of the incident on Wednesday.
A force spokesman said the reason for the attack was unknown, adding officers did not find the woman's card inside the machine.
Det Con Richard Gardner said: "This was a completely senseless and inane act which caused sufficient damage to make the machine unusable for other customers.
"I would like to hear from anyone who recognises the woman shown in the CCTV or who has any information in relation to this incident."
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allegro Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:49:38pm |
re: #384 Dark_Falcon
Actually, I do remember a little about Downey. So it was more of a pure compliment.
Well thank you. I remember Mort Downey as the first TV screamer. The first Angry Guy who likely introduced the current tone to media as a successful model.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:49:51pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:57:48pm |
BTW, there were about thirty people at the counterdemo. Shalom Achshav organized it.
OK, so a thousand or so for the talk, thirty protesters...in Jerusalem, they call that a small wedding.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:59:45pm |
re: #390 SanFranciscoZionist
BTW, there were about thirty people at the counterdemo. Shalom Achshav organized it.
OK, so a thousand or so for the talk, thirty protesters...in Jerusalem, they call that a small wedding.
Honestly, this is one story I haven't followed. Glenn Beck bores me, so I don't pay attention to him.
The idea of him going to Israel for any reason, looking like the Nazi wannabe he is, makes me want to puke.
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allegro Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:00:02pm |
re: #390 SanFranciscoZionist
BTW, there were about thirty people at the counterdemo. Shalom Achshav organized it.
OK, so a thousand or so for the talk, thirty protesters...in Jerusalem, they call that a small wedding.
I probably missed it since I can't count the ways I could care less about Beck, but what was his point to this visit?
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:02:08pm |
re: #392 allegro
I probably missed it since I can't count the ways I could care less about Beck, but what was his point to this visit?
To make money.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:02:56pm |
re: #392 allegro
I probably missed it since I can't count the ways I could care less about Beck, but what was his point to this visit?
Uh...well...you see...
Basically, I think, it was a chance to go to Israel with some people and make a speech. He talked a lot of trash about the UN and Europe, and told the Israelis (the 500 or so at the demo) how great they were. His friends on the Israeli news sites are talking a lot about how brave he is, for some reason. I have no clue why. I know many people who've gone to Israel and made speeches there, and none of them are particularly Rambo-esque.
Vanity tour. He says he's starting a big pro-Israel movement that will be based in Texas.
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allegro Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:03:23pm |
re: #393 ggt
To make money.
Well that's to the point. LOL But how was this a money maker? Donations from US followers?
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:03:38pm |
More drooling insanity from Dennis Kucinich, gleefully reported by Iran PressTV:
US after Libya oil: American legislator
Can't we get those mind-control satellites up and running so we can beam a clue to this guy?
It's worth noting that international oil companies have always had access to, and effective control of, the Libyan fields and Libyan oil has always been sold on the international market.
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allegro Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:05:41pm |
re: #394 SanFranciscoZionist
Uh...well...you see...
Basically, I think, it was a chance to go to Israel with some people and make a speech. He talked a lot of trash about the UN and Europe, and told the Israelis (the 500 or so at the demo) how great they were. His friends on the Israeli news sites are talking a lot about how brave he is, for some reason. I have no clue why. I know many people who've gone to Israel and made speeches there, and none of them are particularly Rambo-esque.
Vanity tour. He says he's starting a big pro-Israel movement that will be based in Texas.
Well crap. Why do the nut cases always come here to Texas these days? This is a great state, I swear, that is being trashed by this crap. It's really starting to piss me off.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:05:42pm |
re: #395 allegro
Well that's to the point. LOL But how was this a money maker? Donations from US followers?
I don't know if he made much from this...he may have some fantasy that this non-profit he wants to start will go big, but there's already a fair amount of competition. CUFI, for example.
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Gus Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:05:55pm |
re: #394 SanFranciscoZionist
...He talked a lot of trash about the UN and Europe...
Wow. In a strange way some of that sounds very familiar. Now where have I seen that before? I swear I read something similar to that in the past 24 hours. I wonder where that was...
//
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:06:56pm |
re: #397 allegro
Well crap. Why do the nut cases always come here to Texas these days? This is a great state, I swear, that is being trashed by this crap. It's really starting to piss me off.
He'll probably live wherever he lives, but maybe it will mean jobs for young people who answer the phones. "Shalom y'all, this is the Glenn Beck Loves Israel Center. How may I help you?"
Or it may never happen.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:07:47pm |
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:08:05pm |
re: #395 allegro
Well that's to the point. LOL But how was this a money maker? Donations from US followers?
No clue, seems like it was a failure.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:08:07pm |
re: #399 Gus 802
Wow. In a strange way some of that sounds very familiar. Now where have I seen that before? I swear I read something similar to that in the past 24 hours. I wonder where that was...
//
I just thought his line about how Israelis have more guts than Europeans was funny. Usually, if you're going to do a line like that, you say the people you're speaking to are braver than your OWN people.
But that would explode Beck's mind.
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:08:14pm |
Ah, another reason I don't like Apple's policies.
Wolfenstein 3D pulled from App Store due to swastikas
While Apple allows a staggering number of programs to be sold through the iOS App Store, its iPad, iPhone, and iPod Touch devices still can't be considered open platforms. A reminder of that came yesterday as John Carmack posted on Twitter that Wolfenstein 3D Classic had been pulled from the App Store in certain countries.
"The iOS App Stores in Switzerland and Austria just lost Wolfenstein Classic due to the offensive swastikas," Carmack wrote, following the post up with a frowning emoticon. Like the PC original, Wolfenstein 3D Classic is a first-person shooter that has players rampaging through a Nazi stronghold decorated with an abundance of swastikas.
I don't mind Apple deciding not to carry this or any other title. It doesn't bother me. What does bother me is that an owner of and iPod, iPad, or iPhone isn't allowed to buy from any other outlet for apps. Unless they want to jailbreak.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:09:09pm |
re: #401 ggt
Is it me?
or is this
I don't know what to make of that. My husband is part Cherokee, but I don't know the recent history or issues behind this. (Neither does he, as far as I know.)
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allegro Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:09:29pm |
re: #400 SanFranciscoZionist
He'll probably live wherever he lives, but maybe it will mean jobs for young people who answer the phones. "Shalom y'all, this is the Glenn Beck Loves Israel Center. How may I help you?"
Or it may never happen.
Actually "Shalom y'all" is how I see Houston, if not most of the entire state. I love that.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:10:03pm |
re: #396 Shiplord Kirel
More drooling insanity from Dennis Kucinich, gleefully reported by Iran PressTV:
US after Libya oil: American legislator
Can't we get those mind-control satellites up and running so we can beam a clue to this guy?
It's worth noting that international oil companies have always had access to, and effective control of, the Libyan fields and Libyan oil has always been sold on the international market.
It's the standard, "I want to make the headlines" meme.
US and Oil seem to do the trick.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:10:51pm |
re: #395 allegro
Well that's to the point. LOL But how was this a money maker? Donations from US followers?
Beck has to run a pay site (because he's advertiser kryptonite), so he's trying to build the buzz.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:11:11pm |
re: #408 Dark_Falcon
Beck has to run a pay site (because he's advertiser kryptonite), so he's trying to build the buzz.
ah!
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:11:23pm |
re: #408 Dark_Falcon
Beck has to run a pay site (because he's advertiser kryptonite), so he's trying to build the buzz.
Really, he could just sell all his gold and retire.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:11:32pm |
re: #406 allegro
Actually "Shalom y'all" is how I see Houston, if not most of the entire state. I love that.
I guess it doesn't make much sense if there's only one person on the line.
But still.
My mother once talked on the phone to a guy from the Houston BJE, who told her that he just wanted to 'wish a shayna tovah to y'all'.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:12:29pm |
re: #411 SanFranciscoZionist
I guess it doesn't make much sense if there's only one person on the line.
But still.
My mother once talked on the phone to a guy from the Houston BJE, who told her that he just wanted to 'wish a shayna tovah to y'all'.
For the non-Jews in the area, that's 'happy New Year', and it's pronounced 'shah-nah tovah', unless you're from Houston.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:12:32pm |
re: #396 Shiplord Kirel
More drooling insanity from Dennis Kucinich, gleefully reported by Iran PressTV:
US after Libya oil: American legislator
Can't we get those mind-control satellites up and running so we can beam a clue to this guy?
It's worth noting that international oil companies have always had access to, and effective control of, the Libyan fields and Libyan oil has always been sold on the international market.
I was reading similar at a lefty site I like earlier today and realized that the left and right really only differ in the names they attach to the same damn conspiracy theories...
/ Well, only a little. I mean really. Grand old Marxist analysis on how the war in Libya is all by design. < facepalm > And I am a hard leftist!
Hows that saying go, "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" ?
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Gus Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:13:49pm |
re: #403 SanFranciscoZionist
I just thought his line about how Israelis have more guts than Europeans was funny. Usually, if you're going to do a line like that, you say the people you're speaking to are braver than your OWN people.
But that would explode Beck's mind.
So typical of Glenn Beck. I didn't know there was a bravery competition. The Jews that suffered under the 3rd Reich were Europeans. Many of the settlers in Israel are Europeans. Europe itself suffered under two world wars. Oh, what's the use. This is Glenn Beck. This is the bizarre world of post-modern right winger rhetoric.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:14:24pm |
re: #404 JasonA
I doubt they have a choice. They probably have to due to laws like that of Germany. They do sell in more than one country, after all...
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:16:11pm |
Wait, what, they actually let Glenn Beck get up and speak in front of the Knesset?
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allegro Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:16:32pm |
re: #411 SanFranciscoZionist
I guess it doesn't make much sense if there's only one person on the line.
But still.
My mother once talked on the phone to a guy from the Houston BJE, who told her that he just wanted to 'wish a shayna tovah to y'all'.
It makes total sense to us. If there is more than one y'all it's "all y'all." We're very inclusive. ;)
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:16:50pm |
re: #415 wlewisiii
I doubt they have a choice. They probably have to due to laws like that of Germany. They do sell in more than one country, after all...
I know Germany has those laws, but I'm not so sure about the others. But that's also not what I was trying to say. The lack of options on other mobile platforms is what's going to keep me using Android for the forseeable future.
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:17:02pm |
Kragar bait.
[Link: www.gamespot.com...]
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:18:02pm |
re: #418 JasonA
I know Germany has those laws, but I'm not so sure about the others. But that's also not what I was trying to say. The lack of options on other mobile platforms is what's going to keep me using Android for the forseeable future.
Frankly, I love my Apple Products. They work, they are easy and I like them.
How many apps does a person conceivably need or use? I haven't found Apple lacking in anything I need or want.
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:18:13pm |
re: #411 SanFranciscoZionist
I guess it doesn't make much sense if there's only one person on the line.
But still.
My mother once talked on the phone to a guy from the Houston BJE, who told her that he just wanted to 'wish a shayna tovah to y'all'.
my father had a colleague from atlanta who used to like to say things like "in the words of that fine old southern expression, it was gantze meshuginnah"
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Gus Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:20:01pm |
Just in case you missed it. Another example of the wonderful success of post invasion and post-war Iraq:
Iraqi Leader Backs Syria, With a Nudge From Iran
BAGHDAD — As leaders in the Arab world and other countries condemn President Bashar al-Assad’s violent crackdown on demonstrators in Syria, Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki of Iraq has struck a far friendlier tone, urging the protesters not to “sabotage” the state and hosting an official Syrian delegation.
Mr. Maliki’s support for Mr. Assad has illustrated how much Iraq’s position in the Middle East has shifted toward an axis led by Iran. And it has also aggravated the fault line between Iraq’s Shiite majority, whose leaders have accepted Mr. Assad’s account that Al Qaeda is behind the uprising, and the Sunni minority, whose leaders have condemned the Syrian crackdown.
Congratulations America on a job well done!
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:20:33pm |
re: #420 ggt
Frankly, I love my Apple Products. They work, they are easy and I like them.
How many apps does a person conceivably need or use? I haven't found Apple lacking in anything I need or want.
What I want is a competitive marketplace, with more than one option for buying programs for my device. It's good for us and it's good for developers.
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allegro Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:21:36pm |
re: #412 SanFranciscoZionist
For the non-Jews in the area, that's 'happy New Year', and it's pronounced 'shah-nah tovah', unless you're from Houston.
Houston has a very large Jewish population. In fact, I think it's comparable to Chicago where I was the only shiksa in my elementary school when we moved there in 1964.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:28:40pm |
re: #413 wlewisiii
I was reading similar at a lefty site I like earlier today and realized that the left and right really only differ in the names they attach to the same damn conspiracy theories...
/ Well, only a little. I mean really. Grand old Marxist analysis on how the war in Libya is all by design. < facepalm > And I am a hard leftist!
Hows that saying go, "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" ?
The "war for oil" meme plays well with need a grand scale explanation for events. They don't believe that a revolt can spontaneously happen, so they look for the "hidden hand".
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allegro Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:30:19pm |
re: #425 Dark_Falcon
The "war for oil" meme plays well with need a grand scale explanation for events. They don't believe that a revolt can spontaneously happen, so they look for the "hidden hand".
As far as US involvement and interest, the oil element is defining. It's only hidden in the rhetoric.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:32:29pm |
re: #426 allegro
As far as US involvement and interest, the oil element is defining. It's only hidden in the rhetoric.
So you think our intervention was about the oil?
| 429 |
Kragar Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:32:33pm |
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:32:45pm |
He had a good run. Time to kick back and enjoy his investments.
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allegro Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:34:58pm |
re: #428 Dark_Falcon
So you think our intervention was about the oil?
I think that was a primary motivation, yes. If we were only motivated by human rights interests our military would be much busier in other parts of the world.
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:35:16pm |
re: #430 eclectic infidel
He had a good run. Time to kick back and enjoy his investments.
Actually it's time to fight for his life against cancer :(
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:36:51pm |
I LOVE the whole bill payment online thru your bank.
Been doing it since the mid 90's and am still amazed at the ease of it all. No more messing around with reconciling the checkbook and licking stamps and figuring out how early to mail the bills so they get there on time.
point, click and pay. The money is out of your account. It is soooo kewl!
For the young people out there --you are so lucky you never had to learn how to "play the float".
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:38:59pm |
re: #431 allegro
I think that was a primary motivation, yes. If we were only motivated by human rights interests our military would be much busier in other parts of the world.
We tried that once. It was called Vietnam. 20/20 hindsight told us not to go where we didn't have interests to defend.
Or at least that was the meme for years and years.
So, we go where we have interests AND can achieve a victory for human rights and we still get bitched at.
| 435 |
Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:42:23pm |
This is a bummer.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:42:39pm |
re: #401 ggt
Is it me?
or is this
No. It's been brewing since the mid 70s with at least 2 other "civilized" tribes. It actually dates back to the 1890s.
The Freedmen descendents didn't have a chance, not with them relying on the Dawes Rolls for their definitions (see links in that first comment.)
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allegro Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:43:31pm |
re: #434 ggt
We tried that once. It was called Vietnam. 20/20 hindsight told us not to go where we didn't have interests to defend.
Or at least that was the meme for years and years.
So, we go where we have interests AND can achieve a victory for human rights and we still get bitched at.
Any time we get militarily involved with another country we're going to be bitched at unless that country has attacked us directly.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:43:44pm |
re: #417 allegro
It makes total sense to us. If there is more than one y'all it's "all y'all." We're very inclusive. ;)
Or depending on your community, "all y'allz."
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allegro Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:44:59pm |
re: #438 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Or depending on your community, "all y'allz."
That's three or more. :D
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:46:11pm |
and a beautiful lady.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:47:01pm |
re: #436 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
No. It's been brewing since the mid 70s with at least 2 other "civilized" tribes. It actually dates back to the 1890s.
The Freedmen descendents didn't have a chance, not with them relying on the Dawes Rolls for their definitions (see links in that first comment.)
I will read that tomorrow, I am too tired now.
Thanks for the links tho.
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Gus Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:47:16pm |
Magnitude 4.5 - VIRGINIA
2011 August 25 05:07:50 UTC
Earthquake Details
* This event has been reviewed by a seismologist.
Magnitude 4.5
Date-Time* Thursday, August 25, 2011 at 05:07:50 UTC
* Thursday, August 25, 2011 at 01:07:50 AM at epicenter
* Time of Earthquake in other Time ZonesLocation 37.940°N, 77.896°W
Depth 5 km (3.1 miles)
Region VIRGINIA
Distances 51 km (31 miles) E of Charlottesville, Virginia
53 km (32 miles) SW of Fredericksburg, Virginia
58 km (36 miles) NW of RICHMOND, Virginia
83 km (51 miles) NNE of Farmville, Virginia
Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 11.3 km (7.0 miles); depth +/- 3 km (1.9 miles)
Parameters NST= 94, Nph=109, Dmin=52.3 km, Rmss=1.41 sec, Gp= 86°,
M-type="Nuttli" surface wave magnitude (mbLg), Version=5
Source* Magnitude: USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)
Location: USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)Event ID usc0005jg1
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:49:03pm |
re: #437 allegro
Any time we get militarily involved with another country we're going to be bitched at unless that country has attacked us directly.
And even that will only hold off the bitching for a while. Hating on us is just too easy for the butthurt people of the world.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:50:48pm |
G'night all. Sleep tight & etc.
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allegro Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:51:20pm |
re: #443 Dark_Falcon
And even that will only hold off the bitching for a while. Hating on us is just too easy for the butthurt people of the world.
When we blow the shit outa them cuz we can I tend to think their complaints are legitimate.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:51:48pm |
re: #443 Dark_Falcon
And even that will only hold off the bitching for a while. Hating on us is just too easy for the butthurt people of the world.
We attack countries that did not attack us out of stupid butthurt, or that we gotta use up some killing machines before they rust.
Generally, that kind of behavior "makes folx hate'cha" as my g-mother used to say.
Hell, in some cases like Iraq, at least butthurt might be A reason, since we had NO reason.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:52:09pm |
Why did I always think it was the Mongols that domesticated horses?
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:52:46pm |
re: #446 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
We attack countries that did not attack us out of stupid butthurt, or that we gotta use up some killing machines before they rust.
Generally, that kind of behavior "makes folx hate'cha" as my g-mother used to say.
Hell, in some cases like Iraq, at least butthurt might be A reason, since we had NO reason.
No civil rights reasons?
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:53:42pm |
I gotta sleep.
I'm too tired to contribute.
Have a great morning all!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:54:07pm |
re: #445 allegro
When we blow the shit outa them cuz we can I tend to think their complaints are legitimate.
Hey!!!
EVERYTHING GOD'S FAVORITE COUNTRY DOES IS LEGITIMATE! ONLY SOMEONE FROM FRANCE WOULD THINK SOMETHING DIFFERENT1!!!!@
Filthy venal wingnuts are going to get us all killed.
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:54:49pm |
re: #432 JasonA
Actually it's time to fight for his life against cancer :(
should have read the article.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:55:05pm |
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allegro Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:55:11pm |
re: #448 ggt
No civil rights reasons?
Can you cite an example of the US military intervention on purely civil rights reasons?
Me neither.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:58:16pm |
re: #431 allegro
I think that was a primary motivation, yes. If we were only motivated by human rights interests our military would be much busier in other parts of the world.
It was much more about feasibility than oil. NATO could do something in this case so they did. Gaddafi was a known quantity and would have kept the oil flowing no matter what. Whoever follows him is completely unknown and may or may not feel as beholden to us as we feel they should be. If oil was the primary motivation the safe bet would have been to stay out of it and let Gaddafi crush the opposition.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:58:31pm |
re: #450 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Filthy venal wingnuts are going to get us all killed.
Yeah, well Libya was Sarkozy's brainchild and France did more there than we did. Whatever Libya has been, it hasn't been a "wingnut war".
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Gus Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:58:52pm |
re: #422 Gus 802
Just in case you missed it. Another example of the wonderful success of post invasion and post-war Iraq:
Iraqi Leader Backs Syria, With a Nudge From Iran
Congratulations America on a job well done!
Technically we are now supporting a regime in Iraq that is following Iran's lead in supporting Syria's Assad.
Fascinating.
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allegro Wed, Aug 24, 2011 11:01:42pm |
re: #454 goddamnedfrank
It was much more about feasibility than oil. NATO could do something in this case so they did. Gaddafi was a known quantity and would have kept the oil flowing no matter what. Whoever follows him is completely unknown and may or may not feel as beholden to us as we feel they should be. If oil was the primary motivation the safe bet would have been to stay out of it and let Gaddafi crush the opposition.
Interesting take on it. Thanks.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Aug 24, 2011 11:02:47pm |
re: #453 allegro
Can you cite an example of the US military intervention on purely civil rights reasons?
Me neither.
Little Rock Arkansas, 1957
Probably not what you were looking for.
How about Kosovo 1999?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 24, 2011 11:05:42pm |
re: #456 Gus 802
Technically we are now supporting a regime in Iraq that is following Iran's lead in supporting Syria's Assad.
Fascinating.
Al-Maliki is supporting Assad because as bad as Assad is, most of Iraq's Shites would prefer to keep power out of the hands of Syria's Sunni majority. They fear that even if they welcomed regime change, the Sunnis would be hostile for religious reasons. That is not a concern without validity, though in my opinion it doesn't justify embracing Assad. But I'm not the one whose life may be put in danger, either.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Aug 24, 2011 11:08:54pm |
re: #435 ggt
This is a bummer.
The Progress cargo carrier is basically the same as the Soyuz crew vehicle but without the re-entry system and heat shield. This allows it to carry a larger load. It is even partially pressurized so it can transport foodstuffs and other cargo that cannot be exposed to vacuum. Any failure of a Progress is likely to raise concerns about the current Soyuz as well.
Image: Progress cutaway
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allegro Wed, Aug 24, 2011 11:11:24pm |
I'm listening to the Weather Channel report on Irene and I'm finding myself rather envious that the east coast is the one *benefiting* from a freaking hurricane. This is coming from someone who is still PSTD from Ike that slammed us with a direct hit in 2008 that I believed would make me homeless when I left for safer ground. We are hurting that bad.
We're now about a month into 100+ degree temps daily with the next few days anticipated at 103 - 106. This is really unimaginable for the Gulf Coast. Freaking me out.
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allegro Wed, Aug 24, 2011 11:13:44pm |
re: #458 goddamnedfrank
Little Rock Arkansas, 1957
Probably not what you were looking for.
How about Kosovo 1999?
Points taken. Internal issues don't count, I think, but the Kosovo thing, very valid. Thanks.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 24, 2011 11:16:01pm |
re: #455 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, well Libya was Sarkozy's brainchild and France did more there than we did.[/quote]
To the consternation of cons everywhere e_e
[quote] Whatever Libya has been, it hasn't been a "wingnut war".
Every war the blood-insatiable cons have gotten us into since the end of WW2 has been against countries that have not attacked us. So if we're seen as being belligerent, there's reason for it.
Cons may label me any of their dumb, filthy epithets, because I refuse to join in with their mindless flagwaving for the death of others. But at least I can say I was against both Afghanistan and Iraq, including Iraq 1. I wasn't all that thrilled about Bosnia, either.
Now, look at the Republicans re: Afghanistan and Iraq, sounding worse than Cindy Sheehan at an ANSWER Coalition rally. Totally absurd.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Aug 24, 2011 11:17:22pm |
re: #463 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Every war the blood-insatiable cons have gotten us into since the end of WW2 has been against countries that have not attacked us. So if we're seen as being belligerent, there's reason for it.
Cons may label me any of their dumb, filthy epithets, because I refuse to join in with their mindless flagwaving for the death of others. But at least I can say I was against both Afghanistan and Iraq, including Iraq 1. I wasn't all that thrilled about Bosnia, either.
Now, look at the Republicans re: Afghanistan and Iraq, sounding worse than Cindy Sheehan at an ANSWER Coalition rally. Totally absurd.
They hate Obama more than they love war. That is something to behold, if you have a strong stomach.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 24, 2011 11:21:37pm |
re: #458 goddamnedfrank
Little Rock Arkansas, 1957
Probably not what you were looking for.
That wasn't against another country, though.
How about Kosovo 1999?
Humanitarian. Or so it's said. Also, NATO.
Personally, I don't think people into war are ever into it for altruistic reasons. We know this because of Rwanda.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Aug 24, 2011 11:24:14pm |
re: #464 Shiplord Kirel
They hate Obama more than they love war. That is something to behold, if you have a strong stomach.
I should amend that: They only love war from a distance. The phenomenon of the chicken hawks is too well known to require any exposition. In case you weren't here the first time I told this story, I once ran into Rush Limbaugh in person while I was wearing my Army uniform. This was in the 90s, when I had been in the Reserve for many years. I had put it on to give a presentation to an ROTC class at the local campus. Limbaugh was on campus for one of his many speeches, sponsored by the Young Republicans or some such, and I happened ot run across him outside the student union building. To his credit, he recognized my Vietnam service ribbon and thanked me for my service. Having heard about his highly questionable draft deferment I was inclined to blurt out, "Thanks, but where the fuck were you?" I didn't, of course, I just thanked him and went on.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 24, 2011 11:24:50pm |
re: #464 Shiplord Kirel
They hate Obama more than they love war. That is something to behold, if you have a strong stomach.
It is. But in Conservatopia, hate always eventually trumps love, even love of other people's death.
Otoh, I have read that kkk.com is now all about love. Love of being born white, but still. They are no longer a hate group, so they tell me.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 24, 2011 11:27:59pm |
Syria is one of a handful of states that the U.S. government believes possess large stocks of chemical agents in militarized form -- that is, ready for use in artillery shells and bombs. The arsenal is thought to be massive, involving thousands of munitions and many tons of chemical agents, which range, according to CIA annual reports to Congress, from the blister gases of World War I -- such as mustard gas -- to advanced nerve agents such as sarin and possibly persistent nerve agents, such as VX gas.
In the hands of Assad -- and his father Hafez before him -- these weapons have been an ace-in-the-hole deterrent against Israel's nuclear capability. The Assad regime, however, has never openly brandished this capability: It did not employ chemical weapons in the 1982 Lebanon War against Israel, even after Israeli warplanes decimated the Syrian Air Force. Nor have they been deployed, or their use threatened, in attempting to bring Assad's current domestic antagonists to heel. And although Syria is accused of providing powerful missiles to Hezbollah, including some of a type that carried chemical warfare agents in the Soviet arsenal, Assad has not reportedly transferred lethal chemical capabilities to the Lebanon-based Shiite organization.
So despite their many faults and deplorable record on human rights, the Assads have treated their chemical arsenal with considerable care. But as the country potentially descends into chaos, will that hold true?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 24, 2011 11:39:02pm |
re: #467 Shiplord Kirel
I should amend that: They only love war from a distance. The phenomenon of the chicken hawks is too well known to require any exposition.
So long as they can cower behind someone else's skirts and watch as many people as possible be killed by others, yes.
But don't let DF hear you say that word. Last time I said "chickenhawk" he got quite PC and had a total shit fit. e_e
In case you weren't here the first time I told this story, I once ran into Rush Limbaugh in person while I was wearing my Army uniform. This was in the 90s, when I had been in the Reserve for many years. I had put it on to give a presentation to an ROTC class at the local campus. Limbaugh was on campus for one of his many speeches, sponsored by the Young Republicans or some such, and I happened ot run across him outside the student union building. To his credit, he recognized my Vietnam service ribbon and thanked me for my service. Having heard about his highly questionable draft deferment I was inclined to blurt out, "Thanks, but where the fuck were you?" I didn't, of course, I just thanked him and went on.
Ugh. They make all kinds of excuses for why they and theirs should never have to serve, while clamoring to stop others from ever serving and showing up their personal cowardice. Well, they once did, anyway.
They cannot, anymore. /Schadenfreude.
After 9/11, how many would have seriously considered serving, but were barred by default from doing so by chickenhawk conservative men. Afraid of their own shadows. I hope Jesus really does come to rapture them, soon.
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 24, 2011 11:46:08pm |
Will Success Spoil Rock Hunter?
geez the late 50s - early 60s were weird with a beard, daddy-o
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Aug 24, 2011 11:50:48pm |
I wish Steve Jobs nothing but the best. I think he has made the right choice to fight for his health, and not spend time on his business. I think Steve is a genius, and the world will be a poorer place without him.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 24, 2011 11:51:41pm |
re: #471 engineer dog
That's one of my favorite eras for classic movies. That, and the early sound era.
I love it because they were so weird with a beard. :D
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 24, 2011 11:58:44pm |
re: #473 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
That's one of my favorite eras for classic movies. That, and the early sound era.
I love it because they were so weird with a beard. :D
ya i'm a big fan of the pre-code classics
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Aug 25, 2011 12:05:54am |
re: #474 engineer dog
ya i'm a big fan of the pre-code classics
They were talking about "Morton Downey" above...I like his dad.
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boxhead Thu, Aug 25, 2011 12:56:44am |
re: #472 Floral Giraffe
I wish Steve Jobs nothing but the best. I think he has made the right choice to fight for his health, and not spend time on his business. I think Steve is a genius, and the world will be a poorer place without him.
Yes... he is a singular person. But, because of his business plan during his second stint with Apple, I do not use Apple products. Apple has way too much control over the hardware and software for my tastes. What is the "can't replace a battery" thing? When I can choose, I choose open.
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Kragar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 1:17:56am |
I leave you tonight with the Loyalist Founding Chapters of the Adeptus Astartes
Legion I Dark Angels
Legion V White Scars
Legion VI Space Wolves
Legion VII Imperial Fists
Legion IX Blood Angels
Legion X Iron Hands
Legion XIII Ultramarines
Legion XVIII Salamanders
Legion XIX Raven Guard
And Varek thinks his puny Sith can match them? HA!
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CuriousLurker Thu, Aug 25, 2011 2:21:54am |
re: #266 theheat
Y/our age is showing ;-) I don't know if graphic designer youngins these days even use Exacto blades, do they?
"Why, back in the old days, we used to buy them blades wrapped in tissue paper, not these newfangled plastic tubes."
At one point way back when, I think I used my Exacto knife as an eating utensil, it was such second nature.
But I'm old.
The print designers still use them, but mostly for cutting paper when doing hand-made mock-ups of pamphlets & such.
I'm old too, but I switched to GD late in life (about 10 years ago), so the only time I've ever done anything minus a computer was when my Typography 101 instructor at Parsons made us do things like draw a ginormous Univers "e" using only a french curve & ruler, or redesign a package by taking it apart and Xeroxing the elements at different sizes, and then cutting & pasting them back together. Oh, lordy did I bitch & moan about doing those!
I've heard plenty of stories form the old "designosuars" though. Man, if I would've had to do everything by hand like they did, I would NEVER gotten into design. It's almost a lost art. Funny thing is though, I've recently found myself compelled to go out and buy all sorts of art supplies to start sketching, doing linocuts, and keeping an art journal. And I don't even have any formal art training...I just get sick of being on the computer all the time. I want something tactile, something I can hold in my hand an say, "I made this."
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:00:49am |
Uhhh. Ummm. I got nothin'.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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researchok Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:02:38am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:08:07am |
Now THIS is funny.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:09:51am |
The Dismal Swamp's been on fire in the Tidewater area of VA for over a week. Irene could do some good there.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:21:45am |
re: #485 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The Dismal Swamp's been on fire in the Tidewater area of VA for over a week. Irene could do some good there.
If it stays on it's current path ya'll should get some nice rain. Again, "if".
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:24:52am |
re: #484 Cannadian Club Akbar
There was just a 5.8 earthquake in Washington. Obama wanted it to be 3.4, but the Republicans wanted 5.8, so he compromised.
Yeah... that's funny.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:27:22am |
re: #487 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yeah... that's funny.
Dear sassy California people: Now might be a good to remind you that you freak out WHEN IT RAINS.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:28:05am |
re: #484 Cannadian Club Akbar
UGH!! I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA DIE SO I STARTED MASTURBATING IN THE OFFICE!! IS ANYONE HIRING?!
Heh...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:32:15am |
re: #489 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Devastated to find out that my Uncle Jeremy, who lived near the quake's epicenter, was found alive and unharmed. (He's a rapist)
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RogueOne Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:34:35am |
Morning all, Anyone been following this case?
Woman who recorded cops acquitted of felony eavesdropping
[Link: www.suntimes.com...]
Short Version: Woman gets sexually harassed by an officer. She complains, Internal Affairs harasses her so she decides to tape the conversation. Police find out, arrest her, and put her on trial. Still no word on if the officer who sexually harassed her has ever been disciplined.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:47:30am |
I would have loved to have been at this game.
[Link: sports.yahoo.com...]
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sattv4u2 Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:53:51am |
re: #492 Cannadian Club Akbar
I would have loved to have been at this game.
[Link: sports.yahoo.com...]
I would have preferred to be a referee at this one
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:56:33am |
re: #493 sattv4u2
With the way the NFL rules for hitting are going, you might want to actually go to one of those games to see a good hit.
/
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sattv4u2 Thu, Aug 25, 2011 3:59:07am |
re: #494 Cannadian Club Akbar
With the way the NFL rules for hitting are going, you might want to actually go to one of those games to see a good hit.
/
Yeah
I'd hit that!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:00:23am |
re: #494 Cannadian Club Akbar
"Romo won't be playing today's Thanksgiving Classic. If you recall, he was frightened by a child on Halloween..."
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Varek Raith Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:00:23am |
Varek was not amused being woken up at 1 am by an aftershock.
Morning.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:01:27am |
Foster got the best of Ochocinco when New England and Tampa Bay met Aug. 18. He decked the Patriots WR going across the middle. Ochocinco’s head rocked back and Mason was flagged for unnecessary roughness, but Mason and Ochocinco both said later it was not an illegal hit.
[Link: aol.sportingnews.com...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:02:02am |
re: #496 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
A thousand dings.....
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sattv4u2 Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:02:26am |
re: #497 Varek Raith
Varek was not amused being woken up at 1 am by an aftershock.
Morning.
That'll teach you to sleep!
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Varek Raith Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:02:45am |
re: #496 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"Romo won't be playing today's Thanksgiving Classic. If you recall, he was frightened by a child on Halloween..."
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:03:41am |
re: #500 sattv4u2
That'll teach you to sleep!
That will also teach him to speak in the third person.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:04:02am |
re: #498 Cannadian Club Akbar
he New England wideout touched base with Foster, a rookie from Washington, shortly after the game as well.
“great hit last night,if u're fined I'll reimburse u boss.That's the way the game should b played.
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Varek Raith Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:04:18am |
re: #502 Cannadian Club Akbar
That will also teach him to speak in the third person.
No, We are too important not to.
:)
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sattv4u2 Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:04:53am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:05:10am |
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sattv4u2 Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:06:08am |
re: #504 Varek Raith
No, We are too important not to.
:)
"WE" may be too important
But "WE" also pooped "OUR" pants last night at 1 am
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RogueOne Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:06:32am |
re: #503 sattv4u2
I know a lot of people don't like him but I do. I think he's funny and he obviously enjoys himself playing. He's a big kid, nothing wrong with that in his profession.
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Varek Raith Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:07:07am |
re: #507 sattv4u2
"WE" may be too important
But "WE" also pooped "OUR" pants last night at 1 am
More like was annoyed that I had to check the gas lines around the house.
:P
The novelty has worn off.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:07:56am |
re: #508 RogueOne
I know a lot of people don't like him but I do. I think he's funny and he obviously enjoys himself playing. He's a big kid, nothing wrong with that in his profession.
I liked him and always thought he was entertaining AND talented when he was with the Bengals
Now that he's with the Patriots,,, I LOVE him!!
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Varek Raith Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:08:32am |
Former Baltimore Orioles pitcher found dead
(CNN) -- Mike Flanagan, a former Cy Young Award-winning pitcher with the Baltimore Orioles, was found dead Wednesday evening, the baseball team said."It is with deep sadness that I learned of the death of my friend Mike Flanagan earlier this evening. In over a quarter century with the organization, Flanny became an integral part of the Orioles family, for his accomplishments both on and off the field," Orioles owner Peter Angelos said.
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RogueOne Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:08:53am |
Satt, what do you think the colts picking up Collins means? I think it was a good news/bad news thing. They haven't had a decent backup since Manning was drafted. They've been lucky he's never missed a game. The one snap he missed out of injury the backup threw an interception for a touchdown and they lost the game.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:09:20am |
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RogueOne Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:10:41am |
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RogueOne Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:11:35am |
re: #514 Cannadian Club Akbar
How you coming on our FF league? I haven't been asked to sign-up yet.
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Varek Raith Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:11:40am |
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sattv4u2 Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:11:57am |
re: #513 RogueOne
Satt, what do you think the colts picking up Collins means? I think it was a good news/bad news thing. They haven't had a decent backup since Manning was drafted. They've been lucky he's never missed a game. The one snap he missed out of injury the backup threw an interception for a touchdown and they lost the game.
Means they're worried it'll take longer than a couple of weeks
They could get by with their "regular" backup for up to a month, but longer than that they want someone whose been there/done that AND someone that won't cause any controversy once Manning is ready (lets say Collins goes 7-1 while Mannings out)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:12:17am |
re: #513 RogueOne
My guess is Indy will pick up another younger QB, with experience, when teams start cutting players. Collins will fill the void.
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RogueOne Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:12:48am |
re: #518 sattv4u2
Means their worried it'll take longer than a couple of weeks
They could get by with their "regular" backup for up to a month, but longer than that they want someone whose been there/done that AND someone that won't cause any controversy once Manning is ready (lets say Collins goes 7-1 while Mannings out)
I'll be happy with 5-3. If he misses the first half of the season Painter would go 3-5.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:13:07am |
re: #516 RogueOne
How you coming on our FF league? I haven't been asked to sign-up yet.
It will be ready in November.
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RogueOne Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:13:41am |
I don't know what happened to Painter. I was thrilled when they drafted him. He was great at Purdue but he's never looked even close to decent when he's been in the game. He still looks lost.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:13:59am |
Oh hai honcos.
I'm still setting up Windows 7 on my brand new machine. At work we are also upgrading to Win 7 and Office 2010, which btw totally sucks. Outlook 2010, what the fuck were they thinking? I imported my Outlook.pst from my old box, and of course put it into a different folder and did not merge it into the default inbox.
I still have Outlook 2003 at work so guess who is the only one up and running?
Why does MS think it's fun to hide menu items and icons? My boss has practically been in tears all week long.
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Varek Raith Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:18:57am |
re: #523 Alouette
Oh hai honcos.
I'm still setting up Windows 7 on my brand new machine. At work we are also upgrading to Win 7 and Office 2010, which btw totally sucks. Outlook 2010, what the fuck were they thinking? I imported my Outlook.pst from my old box, and of course put it into a different folder and did not merge it into the default inbox.
I still have Outlook 2003 at work so guess who is the only one up and running?
Why does MS think it's fun to hide menu items and icons? My boss has practically been in tears all week long.
Microsoft is pure eeevil. I know how he/she feels.
Sigh.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:19:26am |
re: #523 Alouette
Hold Outlook hostage from your boss. Tell him/her Outlook will be released when you can wear which ever shoes you want. And demand a Snickers with almonds.
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Varek Raith Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:21:08am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:22:08am |
re: #527 Varek Raith
Ain't it cool???
I guess, but unless someone refreshes, they won't see my correction, right?
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Varek Raith Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:22:55am |
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:23:11am |
I had to uninstall Adobe creative suite from my old machine so that I can put it on my new one. Took. All. Night. Long.
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Varek Raith Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:23:34am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:24:29am |
re: #531 Varek Raith
Did you notice the added all caps TESTING?
I did when you hit the quote button, but nothing changed in the OP.
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Varek Raith Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:25:16am |
re: #532 Cannadian Club Akbar
I did when you hit the quote button, but nothing changed in the OP.
I just edited my 531, anything?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:26:14am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:27:23am |
re: #534 Cannadian Club Akbar
No. Lemme refresh.
It works just like Charles said it would. WTF is that???
/
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Varek Raith Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:27:49am |
re: #535 Cannadian Club Akbar
It works just like Charles said it would. WTF is that???
/
Magnets, man, magnets.
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RogueOne Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:40:07am |
It worked fine for me yesterday. It's genius. The 2 minute time limit is a good idea too.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:41:56am |
re: #537 RogueOne
It worked fine for me yesterday. It's genius. The 2 minute time limit is a good idea too.
It works great, but you won't see someone else's changes unless you refresh, etc.
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Varek Raith Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:48:55am |
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:49:09am |
I'm not going to refresh an overnight thread. Takes effing forever.
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Flounder Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:50:53am |
Well today is my first day on vacation, New HArbor Maine, and it sure smells like a harbor. Made crunchy coffee, yum.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:53:26am |
re: #545 Shropshire_Slasher
Well today is my first day on vacation, New HArbor Maine, and it sure smells like a harbor. Made crunchy coffee, yum.
Beautiful, isn't it?
I've spent a lot of time in/around BoothBay Harbor
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Flounder Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:54:58am |
re: #546 sattv4u2
Can't wait for the kids to get into the water, heh.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Aug 25, 2011 4:55:32am |
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RogueOne Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:01:16am |
re: #548 sattv4u2
Didn't you post a Kinky Friedman video the other day?
Kinky for Perry
[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]
These days, of course, I would support Charlie Sheen over Obama. Obama has done for the economy what pantyhose did for foreplay.
Snort
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sattv4u2 Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:02:31am |
re: #549 RogueOne
Didn't you post a Kinky Friedman video the other day?
Kinky for Perry
[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]Snort
No,, but I'm a fan of his
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RogueOne Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:06:01am |
Cheney Pushed Bush to Bomb Syria
[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]
Cheney wrote that he wanted military action against a suspected nuclear reactor, but was met with no support.
Israel took it out eventually. I wonder if things would be different in Syria today if we had bombed them in 2005.
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RogueOne Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:10:09am |
I wonder if VA loans will be part of this package...
Obama May Propose Mortgage Plan
[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]
President Obama may propose a plan to allow homeowners with government-backed mortgages to refinance at today’s lower interest rates of about 4 percent. The move could save homeowners as much as $85 billion each year and would free up money that they could then spend elsewhere. Homes with government-back mortgages lost 5.9 percent of their value in the second quarter—the steepest drop since 2009. The proposal is likely, however, to face fierce resistant from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac’s regulator and investors in government-backed mortgage bonds. The U.S. government has also consistently overestimated the number of people who will enroll in mortgage-assistance programs.
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:10:21am |
re: #524 Varek Raith
Microsoft is pure eeevil. I know how he/she feels.
Sigh.
You're taking notes for future use for when you are in charge, aren't you?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:17:47am |
Too soon?
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
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RogueOne Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:18:44am |
One funny and One annoying camera stories:
Annoying:
Ohio Congressman Has Cops Confiscate Cameras At Town Hall Meeting
Steve Chabot had two cameras confiscated in public meeting
[Link: www.pixiq.com...]
Funny:
Lemonade Protester Gets Assaulted, Then Threatened With Wiretapping Charges
[Link: www.pixiq.com...]
The man, whom Ean identified as Steve Blasdell, ordered Ean to turn off the camera.Ean instead engaged him in a debate about what constituted vending.
At 2:48, Blasdell shut down Ean’s camera, but Ean turned it right back on.
That was when Ean turned from lemonade activist into photography rights activist, claiming he was now “a member of the press.”
And that was when Blasdell tried to grab the camera from him after first trying to grab his cooler of lemonade.
The two men squared off with Ean accusing him of assault and Blasdell claiming it was not assault because he was only trying to swipe the camera from him without touching any part of his body.
Blasdell then ran off to call police while Ean announced he was giving away “free lemonade.”
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RogueOne Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:19:30am |
re: #554 Cannadian Club Akbar
Too soon?
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
I read that the other day. There's part of it that strikes me as unintentionally amusing but I'll keep it to myself.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:21:10am |
re: #555 RogueOne
2nd story: OUTSTANDING!!! hahahaha!!
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RogueOne Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:24:45am |
re: #557 Cannadian Club Akbar
2nd story: OUTSTANDING!!! hahahaha!!
I don't know who that guy is but I love his balls, figuratively of course.
| 559 |
RogueOne Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:25:38am |
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RogueOne Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:26:57am |
Speaking of balls, I need to jump in the shower and get out of here. Enjoy the day people!
| 561 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:27:13am |
| 562 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:27:27am |
re: #554 Cannadian Club Akbar
Too soon?
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Mixed feelings
As long as she's an effective legislator I see no reason why she shouldn't run for and get re-elected, and this year i'm sure she'll garner a fair share of 'sympathy" votes. But beyond this run, I think the tragedy that happened to her has to be put aside
Being a resident of Massachusetts and seeing Ted Kennedy elected over and over and over again because, as many people there stated, "the family has gone through so much, he DESERVES it" I saw it 1st hand
| 563 |
Flounder Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:30:00am |
re: #552 RogueOne
They have been doing something similar:
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
| 564 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:30:35am |
re: #562 sattv4u2
I'm OK with her running. But people pissing and moaning because someone is running against an incumbent need to quit crying.
| 565 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:36:24am |
re: #564 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'm OK with her running. But people pissing and moaning because someone is running against an incumbent need to quit crying.
Thats the point I was making re: Kennedy
"You can;t run against him,, think of all he went through"
yes, what happened to her was vile and tragic but that shouldn't make her (or anyone else in a similar circumstance) untouchable
Reagan got shot in '81
It didn't keep the dems from running someone against him in '84
| 566 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:36:54am |
My radio just had some emergency managers/planners from NC who are already preparing in case Irene hits. Proactive vs reactive. Hmmm. That seems obvious.
| 567 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:38:53am |
re: #565 sattv4u2
Didn't Kennedy try to get the Democratic Nomination for President away from Carter for the 1980 election?
| 568 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:39:10am |
First, there was fruit fly research in Paris, France (I kid you not!)
Then, there was something called "volcano monitoring".
Now, egg-head scientists are making mosquitos catch colds!When will it stop!?!?
| 569 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:44:10am |
re: #568 negativ
The more skeeters you kill, the happier I am. Little fuckers. They serve ZERO purpose.
| 570 |
Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:44:21am |
re: #568 negativ
It will stop after they develop dogs without noses.
| 571 |
Vicious Babushka Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:49:11am |
Here is another Windows 7 installation annoyance: the Bing search toolbar. I was prompted "Do you want to install the Bing Toolbar" and clicked "No, thanks" then another pop-up asked if I wanted to participate in a survey and again clicked on "No" which took me back to "Do you want to install the Bing Toolbar?"
Could not get rid of these fucking popups until installing Bing tool and then uninstalling it.
I see that my work PC has the Bing tool because they didn't know how to remove it.
| 572 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:49:52am |
re: #567 Cannadian Club Akbar
Didn't Kennedy try to get the Democratic Nomination for President away from Carter for the 1980 election?
yes
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sattv4u2 Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:50:53am |
re: #566 Cannadian Club Akbar
My radio just had some emergency managers/planners from NC who are already preparing in case Irene hits. Proactive vs reactive. Hmmm. That seems obvious.
They're already evacuating the Outer Banks NC islands
| 574 |
Vicious Babushka Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:51:33am |
One thing that I liked (OK, the ONLY thing that I liked) about (gag) Vista was the little gadgets you could install on the sidebar. Now there is a very meager selection of gadgets for Win 7 and they all suck! I wanted MSNBC rss news feed but can't find it!
| 575 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:51:39am |
re: #571 Alouette
I see that my work PC has the Bing tool because they didn't know how to remove it.
You need a Bong
| 576 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:53:49am |
Shower, appointments and errands
Ahh,,, another fun filled and glorious day off!!!
| 577 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 25, 2011 5:59:58am |
re: #569 Cannadian Club Akbar
The more skeeters you kill, the happier I am. Little fuckers. They serve ZERO purpose.
Well, to be technical, they exist solely as bat food. That being said, I think I'd be OK with the bats struggling to find food a little bit if it meant getting rid of the bloodsucking menace.
Morning Lizardim. I read the headlined article this morning and I about fell out of my chair. I simply can't believe it.
| 578 |
Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Aug 25, 2011 6:09:40am |
re: #574 Alouette
One thing that I liked (OK, the ONLY thing that I liked) about (gag) Vista was the little gadgets you could install on the sidebar. Now there is a very meager selection of gadgets for Win 7 and they all suck! I wanted MSNBC rss news feed but can't find it!
I have that feed sitting over in Outlook.
| 580 |
lawhawk Thu, Aug 25, 2011 6:34:31am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. We've got Irene bearing down on the area (though the models aren't exactly agreeing on where the storm will be on Sat/Sun when it should be at our latitude. I'm hoping it goes well East, but after the models were moving in that direction yesterday, they've shifted back towards the heart of the NYC.
So, if you think that the earthquake coverage was overblown, you aint seen nothing yet.
Thing is, hurricanes are the real deal when it comes to rearranging large areas of property - and the US hasn't had a landfall in a couple of years. This storm is tracking to hit or at least sideswipe the biggest East Coast cities and their metro areas. Caution is warranted, but hysteria isn't.
| 581 |
lawhawk Thu, Aug 25, 2011 6:39:04am |
BTW - has anyone here ever visited Death Valley and/or Kings Canyon/Sequoia? Planning a trip and wondering if there's anything specific you'd recommend.
| 582 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 25, 2011 6:39:09am |
Stocks opening mostly higher this morning. A hopeful start to the day
| 583 |
Political Atheist Thu, Aug 25, 2011 6:39:48am |
Congress. Not content to diminish women's rights, now looking to track us without warrants.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 25, 2011 6:41:30am |
Gaddafi nearly captured on Wednesday: report
Libyan commandos fighting Muammar Gaddafi came close to capturing the toppled leader on Wednesday when they raided a private home in Tripoli where he appeared to have been hiding, Paris Match magazine said on Thursday.
Citing a source in a unit which it said was coordinating among intelligence services from Arab states and Libyan rebels, the French weekly said on its website that these services believed Gaddafi was still somewhere in the Libyan capital.
Gaddafi was gone from the unassuming safe house in central Tripoli when agents arrived about 10 a.m. (4 a.m. EDT) on Wednesday after a tip-off from a credible source. But, the magazine said, they found evidence that he had spent at least one night there -- though it did not say how recently that was.
| 585 |
Political Atheist Thu, Aug 25, 2011 6:43:31am |
re: #581 lawhawk
My pro photographer friend suggested the Furnace Creek Inn for Death Valley. He goes almost every year.
| 586 |
lawhawk Thu, Aug 25, 2011 6:43:39am |
re: #584 Killgore Trout
The trick is to follow his all-girl brigade of bodyguards.
| 588 |
darthstar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 6:45:13am |
re: #586 lawhawk
The trick is to follow his all-girl brigade of bodyguards.
He looks like he thinks he's MC Hammer.
| 589 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 25, 2011 6:49:40am |
re: #588 darthstar
He looks like he thinks he's MC Hammer.
Note to Qaddafi: MC Hammer was a one-hit wonder, he's currently bankrupt. Hey, the analogy kinda works, doesn't it?
| 590 |
makeitstop Thu, Aug 25, 2011 6:51:37am |
re: #580 lawhawk
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. We've got Irene bearing down on the area (though the models aren't exactly agreeing on where the storm will be on Sat/Sun when it should be at our latitude. I'm hoping it goes well East, but after the models were moving in that direction yesterday, they've shifted back towards the heart of the NYC.
So, if you think that the earthquake coverage was overblown, you aint seen nothing yet.
Thing is, hurricanes are the real deal when it comes to rearranging large areas of property - and the US hasn't had a landfall in a couple of years. This storm is tracking to hit or at least sideswipe the biggest East Coast cities and their metro areas. Caution is warranted, but hysteria isn't.
As a Long Island resident, I'd be lying if I said this storm wasn't making me a little nervous. I woke up to semi-hysterical news coverage this morning - but that doesn't bother me half as much as the storm track on the map you posted.
| 591 |
lawhawk Thu, Aug 25, 2011 6:55:42am |
re: #590 makeitstop
I tune out the news and stick with the models and storm track and look to the scientific discussions instead. A LI hit would be pretty bad, and I've got a lot of family living there. I'm worried for them, since they're likely to get hit with the strongest rains and wind but the storm should be reduced in power by the time it gets up here - and the wind shear and interaction with the coast/land reduces its power further. Big issue could be if it slows down and dumps a whole lot of rain causing significant flooding.
| 592 |
makeitstop Thu, Aug 25, 2011 7:06:28am |
re: #591 lawhawk
I tune out the news and stick with the models and storm track and look to the scientific discussions instead. A LI hit would be pretty bad, and I've got a lot of family living there. I'm worried for them, since they're likely to get hit with the strongest rains and wind but the storm should be reduced in power by the time it gets up here - and the wind shear and interaction with the coast/land reduces its power further. Big issue could be if it slows down and dumps a whole lot of rain causing significant flooding.
I lived in Bay Shore when Hurricane Gloria hit in '85, and I'm not the least bit interested in living through that again. I'm just hoping it weakens before it gets here. Rain, I can put up with. Destruction on the scale of what I saw in '85, not so much.
| 594 |
lawhawk Thu, Aug 25, 2011 7:12:05am |
Looks like this happily wedded couple will be getting a free meal after all.
A PA couple was arrested on shoplifting charges after stealing $1,000+ in food from a Wegmans in State College PA. The couple claimed that they needed the food for their wedding reception.
They're being held on $2,500 bail.
| 595 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 25, 2011 7:14:12am |
re: #594 lawhawk
Looks like this happily wedded couple will be getting a free meal after all.
A PA couple was arrested on shoplifting charges after stealing $1,000+ in food from a Wegmans in State College PA. The couple claimed that they needed the food for their wedding reception.
They're being held on $2,500 bail.
I love the excuses people come up with for the dumb things they do. It's like, seriously, people, can't you just do/get whatever it is the same way the rest of us mere mortals do? We get along just fine without having to resort to blatant dumbassery.
| 596 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 25, 2011 7:17:07am |
Cue the theme from Jaws.
| 597 |
Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Aug 25, 2011 7:20:05am |
Someone just turned out the lights in Philadelphia. 10am and it is dusk-level dark outside and the street lights are coming on.
| 598 |
Gus Thu, Aug 25, 2011 7:23:16am |
re: #597 oaktree
Someone just turned out the lights in Philadelphia. 10am and it is dusk-level dark outside and the street lights are coming on.
They're here.
| 601 |
Lidane Thu, Aug 25, 2011 7:36:39am |
Imagine that. Mitt's flip-flopping again:
Mitt Romney Backs Away From Climate Change
| 602 |
Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Aug 25, 2011 7:40:07am |
Dear Mitt,
The movies were "Kung Fu Panda", not "Kung Fu Panderer". And they were a cartoon, not reality.
| 603 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 25, 2011 7:41:27am |
Cool Hijab
Image: jcaoK.jpg
| 605 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 25, 2011 7:53:16am |
re: #604 Conservative Moonbat
Wow, okay, the guy is CREEPY. Like, the kind of creepy you would report to the police as a stalker and take out a restraining order against.
| 606 |
blueraven Thu, Aug 25, 2011 7:59:21am |
re: #596 thedopefishlives
Cue the theme from Jaws.
Another (unsubstantiated) report from today
3.11pm: Reuters is still the only source for a report that Muammar Gaddafi is surrounded.
What it has reported so far has not been verified by other news organisation.
It said:
A group of rebels besieging a cluster of apartment buildings near the compound of Muammar Gaddafi said they believed the man who led Libya for four decades was hiding in the buildings with some of his sons.
Rebels were exchanging fire with Gaddafi loyalists inside the buildings. They did not say why they believed Gaddafi and his sons were inside.
"They are together. They are in a small hole," said one of the fighters involved in the battle, Muhammad Gomaa. "Today we finish. Today we will end that."
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
| 608 |
Vicious Babushka Thu, Aug 25, 2011 8:03:54am |
re: #605 thedopefishlives
Wow, okay, the guy is CREEPY. Like, the kind of creepy you would report to the police as a stalker and take out a restraining order against.
I'm sure he was thinking of ways to kidnap Condi and keep her for his personal enjoyment.
| 609 |
lawhawk Thu, Aug 25, 2011 8:07:14am |
re: #606 blueraven
Not just Reuters. CNN is reporting this from their sources as well.
Rebel fighters believe that Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi is holed up in a cluster of buildings near his compound and have dispatched more troops to the scene, a rebel commander said Thursday.Rebel commanders have routinely checked out tips about the whereabouts of Gadhafi, who hasn't been seen since the opposition advanced into the Libyan capital.
Libya's cash-strapped rebel leadership worked to consolidate power Thursday, hustled to secure money to govern, battled tenacious pro-Gadhafi fighters in Tripoli, and started moving ministries from the rebel base in Benghazi to the capital.
I still think he'll end up being found in Sirte.
| 610 |
Velvet Elvis Thu, Aug 25, 2011 8:10:26am |
re: #608 Alouette
I'm sure he was thinking of ways to kidnap Condi and keep her for his personal enjoyment.
Or make her one of his bodyguards.
| 611 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 25, 2011 8:11:21am |
re: #610 Conservative Moonbat
Or make her one of his bodyguards.
This was my original thought. Get out of my head, you.
| 612 |
Vicious Babushka Thu, Aug 25, 2011 8:11:34am |
re: #610 Conservative Moonbat
Or make her one of his bodyguards.
What do you think the bodygirls were for?
| 614 |
Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Aug 25, 2011 8:17:42am |
re: #613 Lidane
TPM: NH GOP Delegation To Call For Removal Of State Party Chair
I think I'll take a nap while waiting for all the TPM site ad spam to finish loading...
Was curious if this was a move due to the guy being too nutty, or not nutty enough.
| 615 |
prairiefire Thu, Aug 25, 2011 8:19:08am |
The attack on the Chinook helicopter last week killed 30 American troops, 22 of whom were Navy Seals.[Link: today.msnbc.msn.com...]
This man was from Iowa. One of the Seals killed grew up across the highway from my neighborhood.
| 616 |
makeitstop Thu, Aug 25, 2011 8:22:22am |
Steve Chabot tries on a tin-foil hat
After Ohio constituents, angry about votes to strip funding for Planned Parenthood and continue tax breaks for the wealthy, gave Rep. Steve Chabot (R-OH) an earful at a town hall Monday, the Cincinnati Republican laid blame for the uproar on a peculiar target: ThinkProgress.
Rep. Steve Chabot (R-Ohio) faced angry protesters at a town-hall meeting in Avondale, Ohio, on Monday. He said Think Progress, the liberal political advocacy group, organized the protest.
Even Judson Phillips called him out on the confiscation of cameras during the meeting. I can't get over how tone-deaf (or just deaf) these Republicans are toward their constituents.
| 617 |
Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Aug 25, 2011 8:30:09am |
re: #616 makeitstop
Steve Chabot tries on a tin-foil hat
Even Judson Phillips called him out on the confiscation of cameras during the meeting. I can't get over how tone-deaf (or just deaf) these Republicans are toward their constituents.
Sort of a conflict between walling oneself off and doing "la la la I can't hear you" and knowing that you need to make constituent appearances. Thus the attempt to control and manipulate access so that you can say whatever you want, hopefully hear just what you want to hear, and leave no video evidence of anything to get called on later on. And of course it is the liberals fault that you are trying to do something that Orwellian.
| 618 |
lawhawk Thu, Aug 25, 2011 8:32:00am |
Assad's goons put the hurt on a political cartoonist.
Masked gunmen dragged Syria's best-known political cartoonist from his car before dawn Thursday, beat him severely and broke both his hands as a warning to stop drawing just days after he compared Syria's president to Moammar Gadhafi, a relative and activists said.Hospitalized with serious injuries, 60-year-old Ali Ferzat has become the most famous victim of the repression of Syria's five-month uprising. The attack on him was a stark reminder that no Syrian is immune to the crackdown.
"This is just a warning," the gunmen told Ferzat, according to a relative who asked that her name not be used for fear of reprisals. "We will break your hands so that you'll stop drawing."
I say that they're Assad's goons, but the article doesn't make that connection even though it's the logical conclusion. It should come as no surprise at all that Assad and his followers would engage in this kind of violence. Intimidation and violence are how they stay in power.
| 619 |
prairiefire Thu, Aug 25, 2011 8:46:39am |
I overheard two older men at the post office who recognized each other as veterans.
They were talking about the Chinook attack and one said, "They have just ground down those guys too much. If they would have known these things would have gone on so long, they should have started the draft."
| 620 |
Varek Raith Thu, Aug 25, 2011 8:48:05am |
re: #619 prairiefire
I overheard two older men at the post office who recognized each other as veterans.
They were talking about the Chinook attack and one said, "They have just ground down those guys too much. If they would have known these things would have gone on so long, they should have started the draft."
And things would've gotten progressively worse from there.
| 622 |
Varek Raith Thu, Aug 25, 2011 8:52:50am |
re: #621 Varek Raith
Hurricane monitoring, who freaking needs it? I got a poor oil monopoly that needs another tax break!
| 623 |
Lidane Thu, Aug 25, 2011 8:52:51am |
Now here's a list I can agree with:
The 6 Most Insane People to Ever Run for President
When your list starts with Cynthia McKinney, the crazy on display can only be hilarious.
| 624 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 25, 2011 8:53:02am |
| 625 |
Lidane Thu, Aug 25, 2011 8:54:01am |
re: #622 Varek Raith
Hurricane monitoring, who freaking needs it? I got a poor oil monopoly that needs another tax break!
Hurricanes, volcanoes, earthquakes... anyone who needs to monitor them is a wuss. Bootstraps for everybody!
| 626 |
jaunte Thu, Aug 25, 2011 8:54:44am |
re: #621 Varek Raith
Don't tell anyone...
The information those satellites collect is also key to understanding climate change -- an unpopular topic on Capitol Hill -- but the agency has downplayed that aspect as it presses lawmakers for more cash.
[Link: www.scientificamerican.com...]
| 627 |
Varek Raith Thu, Aug 25, 2011 8:55:03am |
re: #623 Lidane
Now here's a list I can agree with:
The 6 Most Insane People to Ever Run for President
When your list starts with Cynthia McKinney, the crazy on display can only be hilarious.
I just scrolled through the list and recognized everyone there.
Chock full o nuts!
:/
| 628 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Aug 25, 2011 8:56:10am |
| 629 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Aug 25, 2011 8:59:50am |
re: #623 Lidane
Now here's a list I can agree with:
The 6 Most Insane People to Ever Run for President
When your list starts with Cynthia McKinney, the crazy on display can only be hilarious.
John G. Schmitz (#4 on their list) would be fucking mainstream today, and I'm not even slightly joking,
| 630 |
jaunte Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:00:55am |
re: #629 negativ
At the very least he'd be a NewsMax columnist:
[Link: mediamatters.org...]
| 631 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:01:27am |
re: #623 Lidane
Now here's a list I can agree with:
The 6 Most Insane People to Ever Run for President
When your list starts with Cynthia McKinney, the crazy on display can only be hilarious.
Ron Paul could have made that list but he's been mainstreamed and his nuttiness now seems common among Republicans candidates.
| 632 |
Targetpractice Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:01:32am |
re: #621 Varek Raith
Eh, who needs weather satellites?! I'd rather not know Irene's coming until she's on my front lawn, like they did back in the day! Sure, the loss of life and property damage will be far worse, but at least my taxes won't be going to something unconstitutional!
| 633 |
Lidane Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:03:49am |
re: #629 negativ
John G. Schmitz (#4 on their list) would be fucking mainstream today, and I'm not even slightly joking,
I wonder how the issue of his daughter would have been handled today. That would be interesting.
| 634 |
William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:10:06am |
re: #620 Varek Raith
And things would've gotten progressively worse from there.
That's why we have to draft everybody. 18 to 20, everybody serves. No exemptions. President's kid, rich man's kid, poor man's kid - everyone. Religious issues? Be a medic or chaplain. Disabled? There's something somewhere they can do.
Everyone serves.
| 635 |
Targetpractice Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:13:51am |
re: #634 wlewisiii
That's why we have to draft everybody. 18 to 20, everybody serves. No exemptions. President's kid, rich man's kid, poor man's kid - everyone. Religious issues? Be a medic or chaplain. Disabled? There's something somewhere they can do.
Everyone serves.
Alright, that's it, fork over your copy of Starship Troopers. Come on, give it up.
/
| 636 |
Varek Raith Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:16:13am |
re: #634 wlewisiii
That's why we have to draft everybody. 18 to 20, everybody serves. No exemptions. President's kid, rich man's kid, poor man's kid - everyone. Religious issues? Be a medic or chaplain. Disabled? There's something somewhere they can do.
Everyone serves.
And watch morale and battle effectiveness drop like a stone.
It'd be little more than horde tactics at that point.
| 637 |
MrSilverDragon Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:16:39am |
Please tell me Steve Jobs resigned by handing over a note with "iQuit" written on it...
| 638 |
Varek Raith Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:17:35am |
re: #637 MrSilverDragon
Please tell me Steve Jobs resigned by handing over a note with "iQuit" written on it...
Hah!
I'll keep that one for any future quitting.
:)
| 639 |
lawhawk Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:18:58am |
re: #635 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Service means citizenship. /would you like to know more.
| 640 |
Varek Raith Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:19:25am |
re: #639 lawhawk
Service means citizenship. /would you like to know more.
Yeah, do you all realize you're screwed?
You can't beat the bugs.
| 641 |
Targetpractice Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:19:46am |
re: #640 Varek Raith
Yeah, do you all realize you're screwed?
You can't beat the bugs.
The only good bug's a dead bug!
| 642 |
Bear Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:21:25am |
re: #636 Varek Raith
As a WW2 draftee I do not think that was the case then. Seams as if the job got done fairly well as I recall.
| 643 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:21:31am |
re: #637 MrSilverDragon
Please tell me Steve Jobs resigned by handing over a note with "iQuit" written on it...
That was the Fark headline for the story, "iQuit". I laughed so hard.
| 644 |
Varek Raith Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:21:34am |
re: #641 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
The only good bug's a dead bug!
Why not just chuck rocks at their planets from the safety of deep space?
Why Zerg rush them?
Stoopid humans.
| 645 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:22:39am |
re: #644 Varek Raith
Why not just chuck rocks at their planets from the safety of deep space?
Why Zerg rush them?
Stoopid humans.
Zerg rush? Psh. Real warriors warp in.
/Yeah, I'm a Protoss, what's it to ya?
| 646 |
wrenchwench Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:23:00am |
re: #581 lawhawk
BTW - has anyone here ever visited Death Valley and/or Kings Canyon/Sequoia? Planning a trip and wondering if there's anything specific you'd recommend.
My family was planning a trip to King's Canyon for June of 1995. At the last minute we switched to Anza Borrego because the road to where we were going to go (I'm a little fuzzy on the details) was still snowed in. Anza Borrego was great, but we were foolish to go there in June. However, we had the whole place to ourselves and I loved it.
| 647 |
Varek Raith Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:23:13am |
re: #645 thedopefishlives
Zerg rush? Psh. Real warriors warp in.
/Yeah, I'm a Protoss, what's it to ya?
So am I.
CARRIER HAS ARRIVED
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:23:58am |
| 649 |
Targetpractice Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:24:28am |
re: #644 Varek Raith
Why not just chuck rocks at their planets from the safety of deep space?
Why Zerg rush them?
Stoopid humans.
The movie was so far off the book, it's sad. For one thing, federal service in the books was not strictly military, it was pretty much any sort of job that you'd expect in a federal government, from book-keeping to janitorial. You did your 5 years, you got paid, you got citizenship, and on you went.
Another difference is, in the books, the mobile infantry wore power armor for engagements with the bugs. And there was a lot more liberal use of atomic weapons for clearing out large infestations.
| 650 |
Varek Raith Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:24:48am |
| 651 |
Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:25:16am |
re: #636 Varek Raith
And watch morale and battle effectiveness drop like a stone.
It'd be little more than horde tactics at that point.
So it's the movie version of Starship Troopers then...
| 652 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:25:21am |
| 654 |
MrSilverDragon Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:26:11am |
re: #635 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Alright, that's it, fork over your copy of Starship Troopers. Come on, give it up.
/
I thoroughly enjoyed that movie, even though it was essentially "Space 90210" (and no, I've never read the book, shame on me.) Besides, any movie with "Doogie Howser, SS" gets my thumbs up.
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:27:45am |
re: #653 Varek Raith
Had to post this.
Pylons.[Video]
To switch tactics:
Water is the universal solvent
Magma is the universal solution
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lawhawk Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:32:41am |
re: #649 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
You mean that BMX bike armor isn't standard issue in the MI? /
Seriously though, the book version of the MI was truly badass - awesome tech and one MI had the power and capabilities of an entire battalion of kids in the movie.
I think the movies necessarily had to limit the sfx, and we got stuck with crappy miltech.
But the flipside is that we got Barney Stinson, SS (f/k/a Doogie).
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:35:11am |
re: #642 Bear
As a WW2 draftee I do not think that was the case then. Seams as if the job got done fairly well as I recall.
US military tactics in WW2 were very firepower heavy. Have the artillery, emplace the artillery, and if in doubt bury it in HE. We were casualty-avoidant then and still are now.
Probalby the absolutely wrong approach for an insurgent conflict like Afghanistan or Iraq since once the civilians decide that you showing up is more dangerous than the insurgents it's obvious who they will start supporting.
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Targetpractice Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:35:18am |
re: #657 lawhawk
You mean that BMX bike armor isn't standard issue in the MI? /
Seriously though, the book version of the MI was truly badass - awesome tech and one MI had the power and capabilities of an entire battalion of kids in the movie.
I think the movies necessarily had to limit the sfx, and we got stuck with crappy miltech.
But the flipside is that we got Barney Stinson, SS (f/k/a Doogie).
Hey, everything's better with Neil Patrick Harris.
/
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Bear Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:35:56am |
re: #581 lawhawk
Death Valley is huge so you will want to spend some time there and will be driving many miles. Scotty's Castle at the North end is interesting to go through. Two tours in it, one through the living quarters and one through the service areas where you will see some innovations to make desert living comfortable.
Then in the middle part there is Salt Creek with pup fish, the museum main camp grounds. Bad Water is toward the South from the Furnace Creek complex.
If you have a proper vehicle a day drive through Titus Canyon is worthwhile but warning, there are several stretches where you are on a narrow, winding dirt road along the side of steep slopes above the canyon bottom.
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:39:58am |
re: #657 lawhawk
You mean that BMX bike armor isn't standard issue in the MI? /
Seriously though, the book version of the MI was truly badass - awesome tech and one MI had the power and capabilities of an entire battalion of kids in the movie.
I think the movies necessarily had to limit the sfx, and we got stuck with crappy miltech.
But the flipside is that we got Barney Stinson, SS (f/k/a Doogie).
They did lots of SFX for the bugs and space scenes in any case. One issue with doing full powered armor is that you get the standard issue of not being able to identify the actors once they have a fully enclosed helmet on and standard full armor*. Thus you get the bizarre SF movie/TV trope where helmets have the lit from below internal light that would be hazardous in real use.
* - Not to mention that bulky suits like that murder the ability of physical actors. Like the get-up Arnold was stuck in for the Batman movie that does not exist.
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lawhawk Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:40:01am |
re: #660 Bear
Driving isn't a problem. I love driving - and most of my prior trips out West involve driving 1,000+ miles in a week or so. In fact, we often measure how good a trip is by two metrics - the number of miles driven, and the number of pictures.
under 1000 miles (what's that?!)
1000-1200 miles - a good trip
1200-1400 miles - a great trip
1400-1500 miles excellent trip
1500+ - awesome.
We then adjust upwards based on photos taken, and modify by the number of national parks visited.
/I'm kidding, but only just... /
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Kragar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:40:55am |
re: #657 lawhawk
You mean that BMX bike armor isn't standard issue in the MI? /
Seriously though, the book version of the MI was truly badass - awesome tech and one MI had the power and capabilities of an entire battalion of kids in the movie.
I think the movies necessarily had to limit the sfx, and we got stuck with crappy miltech.
But the flipside is that we got Barney Stinson, SS (f/k/a Doogie).
SPEAK NOT OF THE ABOMINATION!
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:41:34am |
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Varek Raith Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:41:40am |
re: #663 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
SPEAK NOT OF THE ABOMINATION!
I knew you'd turn up sooner or later.
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lawhawk Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:41:50am |
re: #661 oaktree
Yeah, if you're going that route, you might as well make it a cartoon, or otherwise not even bother with actors.
But the flipside is that we had it figured out with Iron Man who was in the suits and how the tech worked. Still a bear for the actors, but that's what they're getting paid for.
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Kragar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:43:48am |
re: #665 Varek Raith
I new you'd turn up sooner or later.
Got all the way to base and realized I couldn't find my ID. Had to decided to bluff my way past the guards using a contractor ID, betting they wouldn't notice, and hoping I left my real ID in the office, or drive 30 minutes home, searching for it, then driving back.
Stupid guards.
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Kragar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:44:19am |
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:44:43am |
re: #666 lawhawk
Yeah, if you're going that route, you might as well make it a cartoon, or otherwise not even bother with actors.
But the flipside is that we had it figured out with Iron Man who was in the suits and how the tech worked. Still a bear for the actors, but that's what they're getting paid for.
And a decently written and passably animated cartoon would be much better than dreck done live with actors. I mourn that the US for the most part has the animation equals children's material fixation still.
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Varek Raith Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:44:54am |
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jamesfirecat Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:45:25am |
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Kragar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:45:35am |
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Four More Tears Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:45:45am |
re: #668 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
and its "knew".
Still waiting for Charles to let us correct the posts of others... I swear not to do naughty things!
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Lidane Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:48:01am |
re: #666 lawhawk
Yeah, if you're going that route, you might as well make it a cartoon, or otherwise not even bother with actors.
But the flipside is that we had it figured out with Iron Man who was in the suits and how the tech worked. Still a bear for the actors, but that's what they're getting paid for.
I'm already wondering how dodgy the remake of Judge Dredd is going to be. They've already said he's not going to take off the helmet at all, which follows the comics, but having an actor where all you see for the entire film is his chin? I'm not so sure it will work.
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Bear Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:48:25am |
re: #662 lawhawk
Good. Try to avoid buying gas at Furnace Creek. Last few years it has been at least a dollar more than at Either Pahrump, 60 or so miles east or at Beatty. I imagine you will be coming from Las Vegas. Time of year to see the Valley is NOT between May and October when it can be on the HOT side.
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Kragar Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:49:51am |
re: #674 Lidane
I'm already wondering how dodgy the remake of Judge Dredd is going to be. They've already said he's not going to take off the helmet at all, which follows the comics, but having an actor where all you see for the entire film is his chin? I'm not so sure it will work.
V for Vendetta.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Aug 25, 2011 9:50:10am |
re: #674 Lidane
I'm already wondering how dodgy the remake of Judge Dredd is going to be. They've already said he's not going to take off the helmet at all, which follows the comics, but having an actor where all you see for the entire film is his chin? I'm not so sure it will work.
Get Bruce Campbell.
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Aug 25, 2011 10:01:46am |
re: #674 Lidane
I'm already wondering how dodgy the remake of Judge Dredd is going to be. They've already said he's not going to take off the helmet at all, which follows the comics, but having an actor where all you see for the entire film is his chin? I'm not so sure it will work.
Hugo Weaving did "V for Vendetta" without being revealed, so it is possible if the writing is strong enough.
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Lidane Thu, Aug 25, 2011 10:01:49am |
re: #677 jamesfirecat
Get Bruce Campbell.
Well, yeah. But they got Karl Urban to play Dredd. I like Karl Urban, despite his resume filled with cheesy films, but to put him in an outfit where all you see is his chin?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Aug 25, 2011 10:08:28am |
re: #680 Lidane
Well, yeah. But they got Karl Urban to play Dredd. I like Karl Urban, despite his resume filled with cheesy films, but to put him in an outfit where all you see is his chin?
I did like him in Chronicles of Riddick, despite the ridiculous cheese and even more ridiculous acting.
Poor Thandie...she did all she could with that role, bless her.
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