Herman Cain Don’t Read

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Herman Cain’s a godsend to those of us arguing that the modern Republican Party is, at its core, anti-science and anti-intellectual; we couldn’t ask for a more direct expression of this contention than Cain’s latest slogan: “We Need A Leader, Not A Reader.”

He goes all the way with this one, knocks it right out of Anti-Intellectual Park. He’s not saying it isn’t as important to be a reader, or that being a reader doesn’t make you a leader — Cain’s actually saying a leader shouldn’t be a reader. We don’t need no stinking readers leading us!

Apparently he wasn’t “joking” when he said he would veto any bills longer than three pages. He’s a walking shrine to deliberate ignorance.

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314 comments
1 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:06:03pm

Reading's bad mkay.

2 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:07:04pm

If I wanted to read I'd go to skool.

3 funky chicken  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:08:58pm

Didn't GW Bush say something similar? How'd that work out for us?

Cain's toast.

Which paves the way for the rise of the Gingrich. Good Lord.

4 jamesfirecat  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:09:49pm

re: #3 funky chicken

Didn't GW Bush say something similar? How'd that work out for us?

Cain's toast.

Which paves the way for the rise of the Gingrich. Good Lord.

Well McCain proved the GOP base will vote for an adulterer (cruel but true) so it sort of makes sense....

5 Talking Point Detective  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:11:10pm

If he gets the nomination, Palin would be his ideal choice for VP.

Oldie but goodie:

Sarah Palin Can't Name a Newspaper She Reads

Youtube Video
6 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:11:21pm

re: #4 jamesfirecat

Well McCain proved the GOP base will vote for an adulterer (cruel but true) so it sort of makes sense...

Adultery's okay when they do it because Jesus forgives but when a Democrat does it, it's proof that we've lost our morals.

7 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:11:41pm

re: #5 Talking Point Detective

If he gets the nomination, Palin would be his ideal choice for VP.

Oldie but goodie:

Sarah Palin Can't Name a Newspaper She Reads

[Video]

"Gotcha!"

8 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:11:52pm

A)

Then, this Thursday morning, his campaign cancelled an interview with the New Hampshire Union Leader, that state’s largest paper, when they were unable to exclude C-Span from videotaping it.

They're learning slowly.

B)

Cain defends foreign policy stumbles. Says knowing every detail isn't important: "We need a leader, not a reader."

So if a general in Afghanistan sends him something in writing, he'll demand the general call him, or what?

9 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:12:29pm

The man's truly the poster child for the Modern Know-Nothings. He's like a walking embodiment of everything that the wingnuts have accused Obama of being since '08: Rude, arrogant, ignorant of even the most basic facts, self-obsessed, and incapable of articulating himself in anything other than rambling rants.

And now, like the previous flavors of the month, he's fading in the polls. Amusingly enough, his replacement as the "Anti-Romney" looks to be Newt Gringrich, who is lugging enough bullshit behind him to fertilize the Sinai. The next month should be good for plenty of laughs.

10 albusteve  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:13:11pm

a walking shrine....etc
classic

11 bratwurst  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:13:24pm

As I pointed out earlier, the man who stole his economic policy from The Sims is now stealing jokes from The Simpsons:

Youtube Video
12 Talking Point Detective  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:13:41pm

re: #9 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The man's truly the poster child for the Modern Know-Nothings. He's like a walking embodiment of everything that the wingnuts have accused Obama of being since '08: Rude, arrogant, ignorant of even the most basic facts, self-obsessed, and incapable of articulating himself in anything other than rambling rants.

And now, like the previous flavors of the month, he's fading in the polls. Amusingly enough, his replacement as the "Anti-Romney" looks to be Newt Gringrich, who is lugging enough bullshit behind him to fertilize the Sinai. The next month should be good for plenty of laughs.

But he's a business man.

13 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:13:49pm

Herman Cain is an employee of the Onion

14 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:14:31pm

re: #12 Talking Point Detective

But he's a business man.

So was Dubya, and we remember how well that turned out.

15 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:14:36pm

re: #13 WindUpBird

Herman Cain is an employee of the Onion

Sasha Baron Cohen, WUB.

16 Iwouldprefernotto  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:18:07pm

Contest:*

The only thing that Herman Cain is going to veto is.

divorce papers from his wife.
Pizza from Dominos
a .....

*winner gets karma

17 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:18:16pm

Presidential vetoes.

18 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:20:06pm

re: #15 HappyWarrior

Sasha Baron Cohen, WUB.

VERRANICE!

19 jaunte  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:20:23pm

"The problem is not just the things we do not know (consider the one in five American adults who, according to the National Science Foundation, thinks the sun revolves around the Earth); it's the alarming number of Americans who have smugly concluded that they do not need to know such things in the first place. Call this anti-rationalism -- a syndrome that is particularly dangerous to our public institutions and discourse. Not knowing a foreign language or the location of an important country is a manifestation of ignorance; denying that such knowledge matters is pure anti-rationalism."
--Susan Jacoby
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

20 laZardo  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:20:50pm

Considering how the jocks tend to win out in life, I wouldn't be surprised if this actually helped boost Cain's ratings.

21 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:21:20pm

“We Need A Leader, Not A Reader.”

when is he gonna start campaigning on "We Do It Your Way" and "Half Price If You Call In The Next Ten Minutes!"?

But Wait, There's More....

22 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:21:37pm

re: #18 WindUpBird

VERRANICE!

Do you like me, I like you.

23 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:22:48pm

IIRC, Geroge W. Bush, who has been portrayed as dumber than dirt, read a book a week. Without pictures even!

24 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:22:51pm

re: #17 Cannadian Club Akbar

Presidential vetoes.

Funny to think that Andrew Jackson's 12 vetoes was seen as excessive for his time. Grover Cleveland at number two is interesting though not surprising at all from what I know about him and his philosophy. FDR is not surprisingly number one.

25 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:22:59pm

re: #21 engineer dog

“We Need A Leader, Not A Reader.”

when is he gonna start campaigning on "We Do It Your Way" and "Half Price If You Call In The Next Ten Minutes!"?

But Wait, There's More...

"Hi, I'm Billy Mays"!!!!

26 jamesfirecat  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:23:06pm

re: #16 Iwouldprefernotto

Contest:*

The only thing that Herman Cain is going to veto is.

divorce papers from his wife.
Pizza from Dominos
a ...

*winner gets karma

His Library card.

27 Kragar  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:23:10pm

The Modern GOP: Working to make America book learning free.

28 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:24:14pm

re: #16 Iwouldprefernotto

Contest:*

The only thing that Herman Cain is going to veto is.

divorce papers from his wife.
Pizza from Dominos
a ...

*winner gets karma

A book deal?

29 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:24:20pm

re: #23 Alouette

IIRC, Geroge W. Bush, who has been portrayed as dumber than dirt, read a book a week. Without pictures even!

Oh, please. He's just a stoopid neck from Texas.....
/

30 albusteve  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:24:49pm

Herm Cain....we should be ashamed of ourselves...we let these freaks in the door then so will the donks....bad mojo
we will have reality show producers for Sec St...bet me

31 jamesfirecat  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:26:33pm

re: #30 albusteve

Herm Cain...we should be ashamed of ourselves...we let these freaks in the door then so will the donks...bad mojo
we will have reality show producers for Sec St...bet me

Hey don't blame "the donks" because the Republicans are currently trapped in a downward spiral where only antintelectual views can justify the positions they take, thus insuring their candidates get more and more irrational with every election.

32 albusteve  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:28:38pm

re: #31 jamesfirecat

Hey don't blame "the donks" because the Republicans are currently trapped in a downward spiral where only antintelectual views can justify the positions they take, thus insuring their candidates get more and more irrational with every election.

I blame all of them...someone else can sort it out if they want

33 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:32:27pm

Cain's next slogans:

America needs a grope, not some hope!

We need a moron, not a Mormon!

We need a stinker, not a thinker!

34 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:37:02pm

re: #8 Obdicut

A)

They're learning slowly.

B)

So if a general in Afghanistan sends him something in writing, he'll demand the general call him, or what?

No, he'll just call up his Koch Bros. appointed handler and ask for instructions.

35 albusteve  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:37:37pm

did you know Cain set the worlds record for speed reading the toppings on a pizza from those little slips of pizza paper in the roundy round thing?...fact

36 stormhit  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:38:59pm

You can probably assume that this was supposed to be a teleprompter joke. Republicans still seem to think that meme is just the greatest.

37 jaunte  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:39:28pm

"You know, I always wondered about that taping equipment, but I'm damn glad we have it, aren't you?"
--Nixon to Haldemann, April 25, 1973

38 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:40:31pm

re: #36 stormhit

You can probably assume that this was supposed to be a teleprompter joke. Republicans still seem to think that meme is just the greatest.

It's the Republicans' version of the Aristocrats joke only it's not funny at all especially when you're hearing it for the gazillionith 2/3's into the president's term.

39 Atlas Fails  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:40:47pm

Off topic, but oh my. Hippie-bashing and Police State Paranoia (RON PAUL!!!1one) in one convenient package!

40 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:42:57pm

re: #39 Atlas Fails

Off topic, but oh my. Hippie-bashing and Police State Paranoia (RON PAUL!!!1one) in one convenient package!

Fluoridated bong water harshes mah buzz!

41 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:44:47pm

This kind of nonsense really makes me wonder just what did he do for Godfathers' Pizza. Then again, it could explain why their pizza is so awful. He just wasn't interested in those details, reports, documents, etc., that might lead to improved product.

He has no business in the race to be President. A president has to be curious about issues and smart enough to ask questions about what he knows, what he needs to know, and what has to be identified down the road. A president has to be able to take lots of information from wildly divergent sources and distill it into a decision. Cain's statements suggest the antithesis of what a president should be. He might be able to make decisions, but I wouldn't say that they'd be informed decisions by any stretch; and that's what he thinks his constituency thinks is most appealing. They want someone who shoots from the hip and doesn't care about anything else.

42 Atlas Fails  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:45:30pm

Never change, AFA!

43 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:47:19pm

re: #35 albusteve

Only if all the toppings are meat. Veggies are for sissies.

44 jaunte  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:47:31pm

re: #41 lawhawk

I'm not sure he actually had a solid constituency; more like a subset of anti-Obama voters who vaguely hoped he might be the one.

45 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:47:42pm

The first day of my greenhouse construction project went well. The old mudroom structure got torn down and I could finally stake out the design for the greenhouse and interior raised beds. About 100 square feet of planting area, paths and a small dinning area which should seat 4 comfortably (6 in close quarters). The cats did surprisingly well with being locked in a room all day with strange workmen walking around the house. They were calm and nobody had a panic attack.

46 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:47:44pm

re: #43 lawhawk

Only if all the toppings are meat. Veggies are for sissies.

Or even worse, women.

47 laZardo  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:48:38pm

re: #46 Obdicut

Or even worse, womenf---s.

ftfy

:c

48 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:48:41pm

Playing to the anti intellectual base. He's still auditioning for the fox news gig. Sister Sarah's is about up.

Obama is an intellectual idiot. Remember that you fools!

49 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:48:59pm

Ace, are you in this thread?

50 albusteve  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:49:28pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

The first day of my greenhouse construction project went well. The old mudroom structure got torn down and I could finally stake out the design for the greenhouse and interior raised beds. About 100 square feet of planting area, paths and a small dinning area which should seat 4 comfortably (6 in close quarters). The cats did surprisingly well with being locked in a room all day with strange workmen walking around the house. They were calm and nobody had a panic attack.

water?

51 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:50:16pm

re: #41 lawhawk

Some people are idiots but make decent executives. They can delegate responsibilities and just randomly rattle cages to get things done without being smart or competent themselves.

52 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:50:18pm

re: #49 Stanley Sea

Ace, are you in this thread?

[Link: web.ics.purdue.edu...]

53 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:50:33pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

The first day of my greenhouse construction project went well. The old mudroom structure got torn down and I could finally stake out the design for the greenhouse and interior raised beds. About 100 square feet of planting area, paths and a small dinning area which should seat 4 comfortably (6 in close quarters). The cats did surprisingly well with being locked in a room all day with strange workmen walking around the house. They were calm and nobody had a panic attack.

Dragon_Lady haz much envy. Greenhouse envy. Congrats KT.

54 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:51:18pm

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55 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:52:41pm

re: #50 albusteve

water?

For the greenhouse? There's already an existing spigot which will conveniently end up inside the greenhouse. I'll probably just water by hand at first and plumb in an automated drip irrigation system when I get a chance. I've done them before, cheap and easy to install.

56 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:53:17pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout
I am happy to hear your greenhouse has been started.

57 Atlas Fails  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:53:28pm

re: #48 Stanley Sea

Playing to the anti intellectual base. He's still auditioning for the fox news gig. Sister Sarah's is about up.

Obama is an intellectual idiot. Remember that you fools!

I wonder how Newt, given his recent surge, will do with the anti-intellectual base that Cain's so obviously pandering to? I've never bought into the "Gingrich is sooo brilliant" mantra spouted by Republicans in the '90s, but he's Socrates compared to the crop of dumbasses he's battling for the nomination.

How much will this perceived intellectualism hurt him?

58 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:54:22pm

re: #53 Rightwingconspirator

Dragon_Lady haz much envy. Greenhouse envy. Congrats KT.

Heh, I was looking at the actual amount of growing space and was kind of shocked. A lot more than I thought, I'm sure I'll have no trouble filing up the space once I get going.

59 Interesting Times  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:54:52pm

re: #54 engineer dog

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-.-- --- ..- / .-- . .-. . / ... .- -.-- .. -. --. ..--.. ?

60 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:55:23pm

I'm really trying to resist pointing out that the alleged White House shooter has a HELLUVA lot more in common with the religious right than he does with OWS. "Obama is the Anti-Christ!"

There have been articles at World Net Daily that say the same thing.

61 albusteve  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:55:27pm

re: #53 Rightwingconspirator

Dragon_Lady haz much envy. Greenhouse envy. Congrats KT.

back in the day, I didn't have room to expand my kitchen out the way I'd have liked...instead I put up a long, shallow greenhouse affair...I cantilevered counter tops, stove, and dw as far as I could...turned out really sweet...just hung it off the outside wall with exposed lighting, a long shelf etc

62 albusteve  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:56:22pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout

For the greenhouse? There's already an existing spigot which will conveniently end up inside the greenhouse. I'll probably just water by hand at first and plumb in an automated drip irrigation system when I get a chance. I've done them before, cheap and easy to install.

perfect

63 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:56:37pm

re: #58 Killgore Trout

Among all the goodies to eat, leave a bit of room for flowers. Please your eyes as well as your appetite. D_L sez filling up the space happens fast & easy.

64 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:57:59pm

re: #39 Atlas Fails

Off topic, but oh my. Hippie-bashing and Police State Paranoia (RON PAUL!!!1one) in one convenient package!

Youtube Video
65 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:58:18pm

re: #59 publicityStunted

-.-- --- ..- / .-- . .-. . / ... .- -.-- .. -. --. ..--.. ?

.- .--. .--. .- .-. . -. - .-.. -.-- / .. / .-- .- ... / -- .- -.- .. -. --. / .- / -- -.-- / -- --- ..- - .... / .. ... / --- .--. . -. / . -- --- - .. -.-. --- -.

66 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:58:32pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

The first day of my greenhouse construction project went well. The old mudroom structure got torn down and I could finally stake out the design for the greenhouse and interior raised beds. About 100 square feet of planting area, paths and a small dinning area which should seat 4 comfortably (6 in close quarters). The cats did surprisingly well with being locked in a room all day with strange workmen walking around the house. They were calm and nobody had a panic attack.

WOOT! I want pictures of the finished project!

67 albusteve  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:58:58pm

re: #63 Rightwingconspirator

Among all the goodies to eat, leave a bit of room for flowers. Please your eyes as well as your appetite. D_L sez filling up the space happens fast & easy.

a couple of ganja plants?

68 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:59:15pm

re: #65 engineer dog

.- .--. .--. .- .-. . -. - .-.. -.-- / .. / .-- .- ... / -- .- -.- .. -. --. / .- / -- -.-- / -- --- ..- - ... / .. ... / --- .--. . -. / . -- --- - .. -.-. --- -.

Morse Code?!

69 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:59:43pm

re: #63 Rightwingconspirator

Among all the goodies to eat, leave a bit of room for flowers. Please your eyes as well as your appetite. D_L sez filling up the space happens fast & easy.

HEH!

70 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 5:59:47pm

re: #68 Rightwingconspirator
Looks like it.

71 Interesting Times  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:00:56pm

re: #68 Rightwingconspirator

re: #70 PhillyPretzel

Follow along :)

72 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:02:06pm

re: #68 Rightwingconspirator

Morse Code?!

it took me a few minutes to google the morse code/ english text xlator pages

[Link: www.qbit.it...]

my french is merely barbarous, but my morse code is non existent

73 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:02:09pm

re: #68 Rightwingconspirator

Morse Code?!

[Link: www.onlineconversion.com...]

74 freetoken  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:02:55pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout

Are you going to filter the water?

75 albusteve  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:03:16pm

I love rebuilding houses...the first thing I ever learned and I still want to do it
when I'm fit, the bunkhouse is getting a nice makeover

76 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:03:43pm

re: #60 Charles

I'm really trying to resist pointing out that the alleged White House shooter has a HELLUVA lot more in common with the religious right than he does with OWS. "Obama is the Anti-Christ!"

There have been articles at World Net Daily that say the same thing.

I posted this link on the Morning Dead Thread. Did you miss it?

Idaho Falls Man Talks About Meeting With Ortega-Hernandez

He is definatly out there in the Alex Jones Way.

77 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:05:31pm

Nothing to see here.

Prosecutions for Bank Fraud Fall Sharply

Move along!

h/t Lidane

78 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:06:34pm

re: #71 publicityStunted

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79 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:06:38pm

I got to get up early tomorrow. Good night to my fellow Lizards.

80 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:10:00pm

ows getting creative!

81 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:10:12pm

Ann Coulter, that is one impressive black you've got there.

///

82 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:10:37pm

re: #81 moderatelyradicalliberal

Ann Coulter, that is one impressive black you've got there.

///

to be fair, he's right up to her standards of fact-checking for her books :D

83 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:12:01pm

re: #80 WindUpBird

Hahahaha Fanfuckingtastic.

84 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:14:32pm

Here's one:

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

85 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:15:43pm

re: #84 Charles

Here's one:

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

Okay that's just.... pathological.

86 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:18:16pm

re: #34 oaktree

No, he'll just call up his Koch Bros. appointed handler and ask for instructions.

Hey, are you here?

87 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:22:05pm

Who was it complaining that OWS needs offices to be legit?

there, now they have offices.

88 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:24:00pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

The first day of my greenhouse construction project went well. The old mudroom structure got torn down and I could finally stake out the design for the greenhouse and interior raised beds. About 100 square feet of planting area, paths and a small dinning area which should seat 4 comfortably (6 in close quarters). The cats did surprisingly well with being locked in a room all day with strange workmen walking around the house. They were calm and nobody had a panic attack.

Fantastic! My wife wants one. That would come in handy with my big garden. I have to wait...I still have to finish the kitchen then do two bathrooms first.

89 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:25:48pm

re: #87 WindUpBird

Who was it complaining that OWS needs offices to be legit?

there, now they have offices.

The Occupied Office needs to get an Occupied Receptionist who can answer our Occupied Press Inquiries.

Heh.

90 freetoken  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:27:17pm

Along my constitutional this afternoon I undertook what I will now label the "Mile of Horticultural Abomination" - a housing development of a couple years back in a wanna-be upscale Southern California type of neighborhood (I believe the term is "aspirational").

I found myself muttering "wrong", to myself (yeah, the kids probably think I'm just a dodgy oldster) as I observed lot after lot - all trying to look "nice" but with the most absurd combination of plants. And those that weren't necessarily horticulturally absurd still spoke loudly. What the landscape was saying to me was a cacophony of "here's what I saw on the cover of some aspirational magazine."

Popular combinations were of exotic palm plants (they are not trees, btw) with short growing grasses (think golf course greens). Yeah, looks like a resort ... but is totally out of sync with the inherent nature of the famous "Avocado Belt" in which I live. Native California grasses are adapted to extreme ranges in precipitation (9 months of no rain, 3 month wet season), and these lawn-type of grasses need to be watered every week, or even more frequently.

I saw not one, not a single fruit tree among the hundred or so houses in this development. This contrasts sharply with the old (some a century old) neighborhoods in which I walk, which still have plenty of citrus, avocado, loquat, etc.

Indeed, there were not that many trees planted at all. I guess trees just take too long - they are not "instant" plants but statements about life and the long term.

The attempts at low watering landscapes - while perhaps more nobel in intent - were often planted with a mixture of too many different types of plants - and a favorite was putting in a rose plant or two among the mess - roses need lots of watering in this region.

And so on. Some very weird combinations among these new houses with faux-porticos, symbolic "porches" which are only 2 feet deep and useless for sitting or gather, etc.


So, what does this have to do with Herman Cain? Well, probably a lot, down deep. Humans, that's you and me, are part of this world (said the Hobbits). Yet Herman Cain and his followers' worldview have humans outside of the eco-system.

It takes time to learn about the world around us - to observe, to read about it from authors who have gathered years of experience and study and who perhaps have collated centuries of plant and animal wisdom written by others from the past.

It's a very human thing to do - to think we are so special and different and that our whims should somehow matter to the rest of the universe.

But they don't.

And that is one of the important lessons of life.

We as a nation will (and are) learning this anew - that the real world will, eventually, impinge upon our fantasies. Even Herman Cain won't be able to avoid that one.

91 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:27:28pm

re: #89 NJDhockeyfan

The Occupied Office needs to get an Occupied Receptionist who can answer our Occupied Press Inquiries.

Heh.

Guess what the little window on the restroom door above the knob says?
Occupied.

92 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:31:54pm

re: #91 Rightwingconspirator

Guess what the little window on the restroom door above the knob says?
Occupied.

So that's why they shit on the floor!

93 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:33:16pm

re: #87 WindUpBird

Who was it complaining that OWS needs offices to be legit?

there, now they have offices.

But are they recognized on a National level or just at the Community level?

Details, Details I know. But has someone finally figured out that if this movement is going to go forward, they have to have a plan that is accepted at a National level? Somehow I don't think so. But! It is a start. Lets hope it spreads.

94 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:33:17pm

re: #63 Rightwingconspirator

Among all the goodies to eat, leave a bit of room for flowers. Please your eyes as well as your appetite. D_L sez filling up the space happens fast & easy.

I dig what your saying but I really don't care much for stuff I can't eat. I do have some Mr Lincoln roses which are just about the only thing I grow I can't eat but they're helpful with meeting the neighborhood ladies.
There is beauty in function so the greenhouse will be almost all edibles. I do have a bonsai fetish that may take hold again with the new possibilities.

95 labman57  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:33:36pm

As Clint would say, a man's gotta know his limitations.
Cain's extemporaneous speaking skills are limited to brief interviews held behind closed doors ... with pre-screened questions ... demonstrating a philosophy of the perceived role of the media shared by other faux, tea party brown-nosing political wannabes: He wants them to only ask the questions that he WANTS them to ask.

"We need a leader, not a reader."

Once again, Cain fills the void created by his unbridled ignorance with snarky sound bites and banal one-liners.

This is why we don't want our Presidents to be "Joe 6-Packs" or "Sarah hockey-moms", despite the naive proclamations to the contrary by tea partiers.

It's a curious position being taken by the tea party/conservative movement-- the idea that a college education is a waste of time and that intellectuals are elitists and should be shunned. Cain, Bachmann, Perry, Palin, Beck, and other reality-challenged politicians and pundits have embraced ignorance of the modern world, and they regard a distrust of the well-educated as an attribute to be used in their desire to be perceived as "just one of the common folk" … albeit very wealthy common folk.

Lord knows we don't want our children to go to college and have their heads filled with all kinds of IDEAS. Before you know it, they'll be thinking for themselves, challenging the status quo, and developing new points of view.

And we certainly don't want our national leaders to be eloquent, scientifically literate, and generally well-informed about the world in which we live. Much better to derive scientific theories based on the teachings of the Bible, and to form national public policy based on the rumors, gossip, and unverified anecdotal accounts described in supermarket rags and online blogs.

Long live the anti-intellectualism movement!

96 jaunte  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:34:00pm

Rachel Maddow is still convinced Herman Cain's campaign is performance art: The Simpsons' 'President Schwarzenegger'
[Link: 2012.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

97 makeitstop  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:38:49pm

re: #80 WindUpBird

ows getting creative!

That's pretty cool. Them hippies is clever.

98 jaunte  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:40:48pm

Scientists invent lightest material on Earth. What now?
Cain Campaign retains title for 'Least Gravitas.'

99 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:42:00pm

re: #97 makeitstop

That's pretty cool. Them hippies is clever.

There's a problem; The people using the 99% slogan only have an approval rating in the 30's.

100 makeitstop  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:42:32pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

There's a problem; The people using the 99% slogan only have an approval rating in the 30's.

Don't care!

101 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:42:56pm
* Newsflash: Americans agree with Occupy Wall Street’s message: There was a good deal of crowing in some quarters yesterday about a new poll showing support dropping for Occupy Wall Street. And there’s no sugar coating the fact that the movement should be very concerned about its image and direction.

But a new poll today from the Public Religion Research Institute suggests something that national Dems should not lose sight of as the battle over Occupy Wall Street’s meaning continues: Americans agree with the basic critique of the system embodied by the movement.

It finds that 67 percent of Americans agree that government should do more to reduce the gap between rich and poor, which a large majority says is growing. Sixty nine percent favor hiking taxes on millionaires. Fifty seven percent favor eliminating tax breaks for corporations. Sixty seven percent oppose cutting federal programs that help the poor (though a large majority also says the poor are too dependent on government). A plurality, 48 percent, thinks the American Dream — that if you work hard, you’ll get ahead — no longer holds true. These general findings are borne out in many other polls.

102 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:43:25pm

re: #90 freetoken

Along my constitutional this afternoon I undertook what I will now label the "Mile of Horticultural Abomination" - a housing development of a couple years back in a wanna-be upscale Southern California type of neighborhood (I believe the term is "aspirational").

I found myself muttering "wrong", to myself (yeah, the kids probably think I'm just a dodgy oldster) as I observed lot after lot - all trying to look "nice" but with the most absurd combination of plants. And those that weren't necessarily horticulturally absurd still spoke loudly. What the landscape was saying to me was a cacophony of "here's what I saw on the cover of some aspirational magazine."

Popular combinations were of exotic palm plants (they are not trees, btw) with short growing grasses (think golf course greens). Yeah, looks like a resort ... but is totally out of sync with the inherent nature of the famous "Avocado Belt" in which I live. Native California grasses are adapted to extreme ranges in precipitation (9 months of no rain, 3 month wet season), and these lawn-type of grasses need to be watered every week, or even more frequently.

I saw not one, not a single fruit tree among the hundred or so houses in this development. This contrasts sharply with the old (some a century old) neighborhoods in which I walk, which still have plenty of citrus, avocado, loquat, etc.

Indeed, there were not that many trees planted at all. I guess trees just take too long - they are not "instant" plants but statements about life and the long term.

The attempts at low watering landscapes - while perhaps more nobel in intent - were often planted with a mixture of too many different types of plants - and a favorite was putting in a rose plant or two among the mess - roses need lots of watering in this region.

And so on. Some very weird combinations among these new houses with faux-porticos, symbolic "porches" which are only 2 feet deep and useless for sitting or gather, etc.

So, what does this have to do with Herman Cain? Well, probably a lot, down deep. Humans, that's you and me, are part of this world (said the Hobbits). Yet Herman Cain and his followers' worldview have humans outside of the eco-system.

It takes time to learn about the world around us - to observe, to read about it from authors who have gathered years of experience and study and who perhaps have collated centuries of plant and animal wisdom written by others from the past.

It's a very human thing to do - to think we are so special and different and that our whims should somehow matter to the rest of the universe.

But they don't.

And that is one of the important lessons of life.

We as a nation will (and are) learning this anew - that the real world will, eventually, impinge upon our fantasies. Even Herman Cain won't be able to avoid that one.

I typed out a couple responses to that but deleted them all. You have some interesting observations there but I'm treading on thin ice these days so my thoughts will be stored for a later time.

103 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:43:33pm

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

104 Interesting Times  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:44:05pm

re: #90 freetoken

We as a nation will (and are) learning this anew - that the real world will, eventually, impinge upon our fantasies. Even Herman Cain won't be able to avoid that one.

On that note, you've said you were putting off certain Page ideas because they'd be too gloomy, "doomer", etc. Speaking for myself, I really wouldn't mind (I watched "Earth 2100", after all, and find the scenarios it portrayed more and more realistic each day). In fact, I'd like to see a Page that just goes whole-hog and gives advice for how to muddle through or prepare for a worst-case scenario (given the average life expectancy for Canadian women is approx. 82 years old, I'm assuming I'll be around until the late 2050s or so)

105 freetoken  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:44:46pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

You have some interesting observation there but I'm treading on thin ice these days so my thoughts will be stored for a later time.

Down here, we don't get none of that "ice" stuff of which you wrote.

106 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:45:15pm
Bank of America and Citibank, who collectively control about 20% of all deposits in the country, only made .6% of all SBA 7A loans in 2010.

[Link: www.multifunding.com...]

107 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:45:28pm

re: #105 freetoken

Down here, we don't get none of that "ice" stuff of which you wrote.

You need to turn down the temp on you freezer.

108 laZardo  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:46:01pm

re: #104 publicityStunted

In fact, I'd like to see a Page that just goes whole-hog and gives advice for how to muddle through or prepare for a worst-case scenario

...that reminds me, I gotta finish putting the finishing touches (redundancy intended) my thesis. @_@

109 freetoken  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:46:49pm

re: #104 publicityStunted

On that note, you've said you were putting off certain Page ideas because they'd be too gloomy, "doomer", etc.

I've resisted going down that path. I'm not sure I can separate my own personal life-view from an objective analysis of our ecological and economic situation.

110 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:50:01pm

Fox Nation is still trying to tie the shooter to OWS: [Link: nation.foxnews.com...]

111 Interesting Times  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:51:27pm

re: #109 freetoken

I'm not sure I can separate my own personal life-view from an objective analysis of our ecological and economic situation.

So? That's never stopped anyone else :)

Or do you fear the process could plunge you yourself into a pit of despair? There are certain things I'm afraid to write down for that reason...while they're only in my head, they don't seem quite so "final"...

112 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:52:32pm

re: #90 freetoken

You have seen the "palaces" they have built on the former Irvine Ranch.
Donald Bren is going to hell, over what he has built, on beautiful, native land.
And the folks who bought & built these monstrosities, well, they're all leveraged to the hilt, and if not YET in financial difficulty, well, they're aware of it.

113 Atlas Fails  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:53:08pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

There's a problem; The people using the 99% slogan only have an approval rating in the 30's.

As WindUpBird pointed out, most Americans do favor many of the causes advocated by Occupy protesters. A lot of people are turned off by the more radical elements and the organization, or lack thereof, of the movement. I agree, to an extent, and feel that if the movement wants to survive and be taken seriously, it has to move beyond camping out in parks. Still, I'm a supporter of OWS, because in this era of Citizens United, CEO bailout bonuses, and record corporate profits during a time of looming austerity measures, maybe we need some dirty fucking hippies ;)

PS- Still love ya, KT.

114 freetoken  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:53:29pm

re: #110 Charles

Rupert Murdoch learned long ago that he can become tremendously wealthy by selling trash.

115 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:53:37pm

re: #110 Charles

Fox Nation is still trying to tie the shooter to OWS: [Link: nation.foxnews.com...]

we pull shit from our assholes, you decide.

116 Atlas Fails  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:54:33pm

re: #110 Charles

Fox Nation is still trying to tie the shooter to OWS: [Link: nation.foxnews.com...]

Maybe the Fox Nation commenters will start supporting OWS now?

117 freetoken  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:58:43pm

re: #112 Floral Giraffe

And the folks who bought & built these monstrosities, well, they're all leveraged to the hilt, and if not YET in financial difficulty, well, they're aware of it.

Yeah, that's one of the toothsome ironies of this whole thing - in the end, reality will, somehow, someway, manifest itself.

These relatively new houses (I think they were built less than 10 years ago) probably went for $100k to $200k more than the average house in the San Diego. That might not sound like much, but given how high the average house went at the peak of the bubble, the mortgages on these places must be quite a burden on any of the households which don't have two full incomes supporting them.

118 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:58:49pm

Looks like we got us a READER.

Youtube Video
119 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 6:59:21pm

re: #104 publicityStunted

On that note, you've said you were putting off certain Page ideas because they'd be too gloomy, "doomer", etc. Speaking for myself, I really wouldn't mind (I watched "Earth 2100", after all, and find the scenarios it portrayed more and more realistic each day). In fact, I'd like to see a Page that just goes whole-hog and gives advice for how to muddle through or prepare for a worst-case scenario (given the average life expectancy for Canadian women is approx. 82 years old, I'm assuming I'll be around until the late 2050s or so)

And we have a budding Survivalist in our midst.

And, no, there is no sarc intended.

Welcome to the real and nasty world/jungle

120 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:03:13pm

re: #119 Bubblehead II

Have I mentioned my survivalist friend who was rejected from the military for being "Too militant"?

His plan is the Sierra Nevadas, where apparently he already has a cave picked out that he figures will be in a very nice climactic territory in 5 degrees or so.

121 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:06:24pm

I just survived driving through the first snow storm of the year. I did it by driving around and past all the twits absolutely terrified of driving on slippery streets. If they're that terrified, maybe they should take a taxi.

Swearing at people while inside your car is quite cathartic.

BTW, I love this place.
Later.

122 freetoken  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:07:00pm

re: #111 publicityStunted

One note - I do think many "doomers" try to rush world events, often by decades and maybe even centuries. All human systems eventually fail, all societies fade away, all civilizations wane - yet, sometimes it takes a millennium, in other cases a century. It doesn't, however, happen in a year (unless there is a physical catastrophe.)

123 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:07:33pm

re: #121 b_sharp

Hey, BB.

124 Interesting Times  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:09:15pm

re: #119 Bubblehead II

re: #120 Obdicut

I actually did some brief Internet research about survivalism a few days ago. Nothing like it to drive home how hopelessly dependent upon a civilized society the average person is :/

125 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:11:50pm

re: #120 Obdicut

Have I mentioned my survivalist friend who was rejected from the military for being "Too militant"?

His plan is the Sierra Nevadas, where apparently he already has a cave picked out that he figures will be in a very nice climactic territory in 5 degrees or so.

No you haven't. Till now

126 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:11:59pm

re: #121 b_sharp

I just survived driving through the first snow storm of the year. I did it by driving around and past all the twits absolutely terrified of driving on slippery streets. If they're that terrified, maybe they should take a taxi.

Swearing at people while inside your car is quite cathartic.

BTW, I love this place.
Later.

I ready. A Jeep comes in handy when wake up to a large amount of snow all over. Bring it on!

127 Interesting Times  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:13:54pm

re: #122 freetoken

One note - I do think many "doomers" try to rush world events, often by decades and maybe even centuries. All human systems eventually fail, all societies fade away, all civilizations wane - yet, sometimes it takes a millennium, in other cases a century. It doesn't, however, happen in a year (unless there is a physical catastrophe.)

A "perfect storm" series of events could bring it about - "big one" in California, mega-droughts in the South/Southwest, massive solar storm knocking out electronic communication, methane "clathrate gun" going off in the Arctic...if all those things happened within a decade or two, the developed world could fall like a house of cards on a shaky table.

128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:14:27pm

A friend of mine quietly removed his "Cain" photo from his facbook pic yesterday.

129 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:16:36pm

re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Libya's last act of war, blowing up Cain's nomination chances

130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:19:06pm

Funny. I'm watching the Hokies play the Tarheels.

A graphic came up. "Frank Beamer, active coach with the most wins"...

JoPa's head just exploded.

131 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:20:04pm

re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A friend of mine quietly removed his "Cain" photo from his facbook pic yesterday.

I don't understand what all the hoopla is with Cain. Put a fork in him, he's done. Now that Newt's poll numbers are rising I expect him to be the next punching bag.

132 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:21:33pm

re: #131 NJDhockeyfan

I don't understand what all the hoopla is with Cain. Put a fork in him, he's done. Now that Newt's poll numbers are rising I expect him to be the next punching bag.

Because NOT ROMNEY.

133 jaunte  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:22:26pm

re: #132 Varek Raith

Why is NOT ROMNEY so critical an issue for Republican voters?

134 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:23:09pm

re: #133 jaunte

Why is NOT ROMNEY so critical an issue for Republican voters?

They harbour much reactionary anger.

135 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:23:17pm

re: #133 jaunte

Why is NOT ROMNEY so critical an issue for Republican voters?

because NOT ROMNEY isn't Mormon, probably actually is socially conservative, and is not Romney.

136 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:24:53pm

Ok, what is NOT ROMNEY? I must have missed something.

137 Interesting Times  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:24:57pm

re: #134 prairiefire

They harbour much reactionary anger.

Plus, Gene Eric Republican has yet to declare his candidacy.

138 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:25:16pm

So, who's next after the inevitable Gingrich letdown???

139 laZardo  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:26:11pm

re: #138 Varek Raith

RAWWN PAAAWL

140 Bear  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:26:43pm

re: #126 NJDhockeyfan

Jeeps are fine until you get one stuck. Then what a mess.

141 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:27:01pm

re: #138 Varek Raith

So, who's next after the inevitable Gingrich letdown???

Maybe Ron Paul has a brief moment in the sun. Before you call me nuts, Bachmann of 0 bills passed was briefly a frontrunner.

142 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:27:37pm

re: #140 Bear

Jeeps are fine until you get one stuck. Then what a mess.

Jeeps don't get stuck.

143 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:28:37pm

re: #126 NJDhockeyfan

I ready. A Jeep comes in handy when wake up to a large amount of snow all over. Bring it on!

I usually drive my Cherokee when it snows, but this year I put winter tires on the Impreza and its all wheel drive did remarkably well.

144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:28:44pm

re: #131 NJDhockeyfan

I don't understand what all the hoopla is with Cain. Put a fork in him, he's done. Now that Newt's poll numbers are rising I expect him to be the next punching bag.

Too late. Newt took a pile of money from Frannie as a "consultant".

These motherfuckers think we'll never find out.

They're right (much of the time) until they seek the big chair.

145 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:28:47pm

re: #136 NJDhockeyfan

Ok, what is NOT ROMNEY? I must have missed something.

Image: TMW2011-11-16colorKOS.png

146 jaunte  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:29:10pm

George Romney has a family history that would make a good movie:

Romney's grandparents were polygamous Mormons who fled the United States with their children because of the federal government's opposition to polygamy.[1] His maternal grandfather was Helaman Pratt (1846–1909), who presided over the Mormon mission in Mexico City before moving to the state of Chihuahua and who was the son of original Mormon apostle Parley P. Pratt (1807–1857).[2][3] Romney's uncle Rey L. Pratt (1878–1931) would in the 1920s play a major role in the preservation and expansion of the Mormon presence in Mexico and in its introduction to South America.[4] A more distant kinsman was George Romney (1734–1802), a noted portrait painter in Britain during the last quarter of the 18th century.[5]

George Wilcken Romney's parents were American citizens Gaskell Romney (1871–1955) and Anna Amelia Pratt (1876-1926); they married in 1895 in Mexico and lived in Colonia Dublán, Galeana, in the Mexican state of Chihuahua (one of the Mormon colonies in Mexico) where George was born on July 8, 1907.[1][3][6] They practiced monogamy.[1] George had three older brothers and would gain two more brothers and a sister.[7] Gaskell Romney was a successful carpenter, house builder, and farmer who headed the most prosperous family in the colony.[8][9]

The Mexican Revolution broke out in 1910 and the Mormon colonies were endangered in 1911–1912 by raids from marauders,[10] including "Red Flaggers" Pascual Orozco and José Inés Salazar.[11] Young George heard the sound of distant gunfire and saw rebels walking through the village streets.[11][12] The Romney family fled and returned to the United States in July 1912, leaving their home and almost all of their property behind.[1][13] Romney would later say, "We were the first displaced persons of the 20th century."[14]

From here on, George Romney grew up in humble circumstances.[15] The family subsisted with other Mormon refugees on government relief in El Paso, Texas for a few months before moving to Los Angeles, California, where the father worked as a carpenter.[13][16] In kindergarten there, other children mocked Romney's national origin by calling him "Mex".[17][18]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

147 Bear  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:29:22pm

re: #142 NJDhockeyfan

Since when?

148 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:29:34pm

re: #143 b_sharp

I usually drive my Cherokee when it snows, but this year I put winter tires on the Impreza and its all wheel drive did remarkably well.

subies rock

149 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:29:34pm

re: #143 b_sharp

I usually drive my Cherokee when it snows, but this year I put winter tires on the Impreza and its all wheel drive did remarkably well.

Subarus are teh bomb.

150 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:30:04pm

re: #142 NJDhockeyfan

Jeeps don't get stuck.

Image: stuck-jeep.jpeg

151 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:30:27pm

re: #140 Bear

Jeeps are fine until you get one stuck. Then what a mess.

Shhh.

That does not happen!!!

152 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:31:22pm

re: #148 WindUpBird

re: #149 Varek Raith

Jinx!

153 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:31:35pm

re: #150 Obdicut

Image: stuck-jeep.jpeg

Photoshopped.

154 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:32:39pm

re: #146 jaunte

George Romney has a family history that would make a good movie:

I'm willing to bet my grandfather probably knew him since he was a NLRB arbitrator and George Romney was an auto executive. I guess that's what annoys me about Mitt. His father was a guy with some principles. He stood up for civil rights for example. Mitt meanwhile seems to care more about being president and people thinking he's this right wing guy than standing up for what's right. Oh and George Romney wasn't rabidly anti union like his son is becoming either.

155 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:32:58pm

re: #124 publicityStunted

re: #120 Obdicut

I actually did some brief Internet research about survival ism a few days ago. Nothing like it to drive home how hopelessly dependent upon a civilized society the average person is :/

You got that right. Forget the guns (they are a tool). Do you have the means to get good water? Do you have the stores on hand to feed your family? What about waste disposal? There are a multitude of things you must look at and prepare for. Nothing more, Nothing less. At least from my perspective.

Survivalism is about all of this. It is about how you keep your Family alive until the Community recovers and can help each other.

156 Amory Blaine  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:33:32pm

OMFG!!!! Devastating news!

157 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:33:47pm

re: #147 Bear

Since when?

I'm on my 3rd one and never had a problem. My friend is on his 6th and has zero problems. Other than normal maintenance, nothing major has happened. I thought my transmission needed to be replaced a few months back because I was losing power going up hills. Turns out it was just the fuel filter. I have no idea what you are talking about. There are lots of Jeeps on the road for a reason. They are awesome!

158 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:34:18pm

Buddy Roemer is due

159 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:34:45pm

re: #150 Obdicut

Image: stuck-jeep.jpeg

Well I have to admit, that's a very stuck Jeep.

160 darthstar  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:35:19pm

Doesn't...Herman Cain doesn't read...but that should be obvious based on his 9-9-9 plan, Uz-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan, and "Libya? I didn't get above her thigh!"

161 darthstar  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:36:02pm

re: #159 NJDhockeyfan

Well I have to admit, that's a very stuck Jeep.

Four Low, reverse, first, reverse, first...rock it out.

162 Achilles Tang  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:36:32pm

I just saw a clip of Perry being critical of Obama because Obama is intelligent and a good debater, or thinks he is the smartest person in the room.

Heaven forbid that Perry would ever be so vain as to think he is the smartest person in the room. No, he will aim for the bottom./

163 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:36:52pm

re: #156 Amory Blaine

OMFG!!! Devastating news!

Good news for the guys, Demi Moore is available again!

164 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:37:17pm

re: #162 Naso Tang

I just saw a clip of Perry being critical of Obama because Obama is intelligent and a good debater, or thinks he is the smartest person in the room.

Heaven forbid that Perry would ever be so vain as to think he is the smartest person in the room. No, he will aim for the bottom./

He said today that Obama's never had to work for anything in his life which coming from Perry is laughable.

165 darthstar  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:37:50pm

re: #157 NJDhockeyfan

I'm on my 3rd one and never had a problem. My friend is on his 6th and has zero problems. Other than normal maintenance, nothing major has happened. I thought my transmission needed to be replaced a few months back because I was losing power going up hills. Turns out it was just the fuel filter. I have no idea what you are talking about. There are lots of Jeeps on the road for a reason. They are awesome!

We had a 1962 Willy's...good jeep for rattlesnake hunting (driving back country roads at night with beer and .22 rifles looking for snakes warming on the blacktop).

166 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:37:59pm

re: #156 Amory Blaine

OMFG!!! Devastating news!

Honest I am amazed it's lasted as long as it has.

167 BongCrodny  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:38:14pm

Dear Netflix:

For the record, the re: #158 WindUpBird

Buddy Roemer is due

Thaddeus McCotter dropped out too soon.

168 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:39:26pm

Gary Johnson would be funny or the guy who ran Godfather's who's never been elected to anything. Oh you're telling me he actually made front runner status? And Rick Perry too?

169 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:39:38pm

re: #3 funky chicken

Didn't GW Bush say something similar? How'd that work out for us?

Cain's toast.

Which paves the way for the rise of the Gingrich. Good Lord.

Actually, I don't recall W saying anything like Cain did and do recall that he did read quite a bit while in office. Nothing heavy, but IIRC, he did at least read.

170 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:40:07pm

re: #157 NJDhockeyfan

I'm on my 3rd one and never had a problem. My friend is on his 6th and has zero problems. Other than normal maintenance, nothing major has happened. I thought my transmission needed to be replaced a few months back because I was losing power going up hills. Turns out it was just the fuel filter. I have no idea what you are talking about. There are lots of Jeeps on the road for a reason. They are awesome!

I've owned 6 4x4s over the years, including 78 Bronco (full size), 84 Blazer T10, Nissan crew cab, 2001 Kia Sportage, 94 Explorer, 98 Grand Cherokee. The only one I did not manage to get stuck was the Bronco.

171 Bear  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:40:39pm

re: #157 NJDhockeyfan

re: #157 NJDhockeyfan

I also have two Jeeps, A M38 A1 and one of the last Kaiser ones. I have seen a M38 stuck in mud and it took four GIs to lift it out. Cebu 1945.

172 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:41:12pm

re: #161 darthstar

Four Low, reverse, first, reverse, first...rock it out.

Doesn't work if it's hung up on hard snow. The tires just spin.

173 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:41:27pm

I want this jeep.
Image: vehicle-win.png

174 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:41:33pm

re: #163 NJDhockeyfan

Good news for the guys, Demi Moore is available again!

Drunk or sober?

175 laZardo  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:41:38pm

re: #171 Bear

re: #157 NJDhockeyfan

I also have two Jeeps, A M38 A1 and one of the last Kaiser ones. I have seen a M38 stuck in mud and it took four GIs to lift it out. Cebu 1945.

And that's why I want a Kubelwagen.

/bracing for impact

176 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:41:50pm

re: #169 talon_262

Actually, I don't recall W saying anything like Cain did and do recall that he did read quite a bit while in office. Nothing heavy, but IIRC, he did at least read.

I actually have a memory of him saying he was reading Rick Atchinson's book about the North African campaign during WWII. Made me want to get it since I needed a good book on North Africa for my library.

177 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:42:21pm

re: #173 Varek Raith

I want this jeep.
Image: vehicle-win.png

Ah, crap.
Link no worky.

178 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:42:36pm

re: #165 darthstar

We had a 1962 Willy's...good jeep for rattlesnake hunting (driving back country roads at night with beer and .22 rifles looking for snakes warming on the blacktop).

I met someone who has a '59 Willy's Jeep. Kinda rusty but it still runs great.

179 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:42:50pm

re: #177 Varek Raith

Ah, crap.
Link no worky.

[Link: winblog.org...]

180 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:42:57pm

re: #165 darthstar

We had a 1962 Willy's...good jeep for rattlesnake hunting (driving back country roads at night with beer and .22 rifles looking for snakes warming on the blacktop).

Sittin' on the hood picking off skunks as they cross the road.

181 Achilles Tang  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:43:00pm

re: #169 talon_262

Actually, I don't recall W saying anything like Cain did and do recall that he did read quite a bit while in office. Nothing heavy, but IIRC, he did at least read.

Did you catch the presidential briefs, on film, that were made for Reagan to educate him on the world? They sounded like a travel brochure for people who had never left their home town.

182 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:44:08pm

re: #173 Varek Raith

I want this jeep.
Image: vehicle-win.png

You can't have it, it's 404 forbidden.

183 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:44:51pm

re: #174 b_sharp

Drunk or sober?

Who cares?

184 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:45:32pm

re: #178 NJDhockeyfan

I met someone who has a '59 Willy's Jeep. Kinda rusty but it still runs great.

Those damn things can sit rusting in a field for thirty years and still run.

185 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:47:02pm

re: #184 b_sharp

Those damn things can sit rusting in a field for thirty years and still run.

You have to wonder why today's vehicles don't last and last like the old ones do.

186 Bear  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:47:42pm

Do you know that the M38 Jeep was either a Willis or Ford?

187 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:48:30pm

re: #179 Varek Raith

[Link: winblog.org...]

Does it come with a free velociraptor?

188 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:49:15pm

re: #185 NJDhockeyfan

You have to wonder why today's vehicles don't last and last like the old ones do.

They're far more complex with much tighter tolerances. You won't find an old jeep with a roller cam and fuel injection.

The old jeeps were built extra, extra tough.

189 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:49:59pm

re: #186 Bear

Do you know that the M38 Jeep was either a Willis or Ford?

I do now.

190 laZardo  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:52:06pm

QUICK QUESTION:

I've recently decided to give 10% of my income (roughly $25-ish/wk) to help my mom pay the bills back in Manila.

The thing is that I'm having it direct-deposited to her account. She's worried she'll be taxed on it, even though the Safeway site lists it as my income. Is she correct?

191 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:53:09pm

re: #148 WindUpBird

Yeah, but Datsuns suck.

192 freetoken  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:54:05pm

re: #190 laZardo

The thing is that I'm having it direct-deposited to her account. She's worried she'll be taxed on it, even though the Safeway site lists it as my income. Is she correct?

Taxed by whom? Taxes by the feds and your state are removed before you get your hands on it (normally.)

193 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:54:08pm

re: #174 b_sharp

Drunk or sober?

Skinny as hell, mourning her marriage. The hot young guy didn't work out.

194 laZardo  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:57:00pm

re: #192 freetoken

But my mom would still have to explain where that extra money is coming from.

195 jaunte  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:57:51pm

re: #190 laZardo

You should be able to give her $13,000 a year without tax consequences.
Just document the gift in a letter to her.
[Link: blogs.smartmoney.com...]

196 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:59:07pm

Gotta run.

Tomorrow's another day.

197 freetoken  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 7:59:21pm

re: #194 laZardo

As juante points out, "gifts" are tax-free (up to a limit).

198 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:03:15pm

A few years back there was Camp Jeep once a year right down the road from me. It was awesome seeing so many different Jeeps all over the place for a week. I met some great out of state folks who came out here to have a good time.

199 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:03:33pm

Herman Cain Don’t Read

Yerp, every white conservative's ideal authentic real negro.

200 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:05:38pm

re: #30 albusteve

Herm Cain...we should be ashamed of ourselves...we let these freaks in the door then so will the donks...bad mojo
we will have reality show producers for Sec St...bet me

"We", who?

201 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:06:37pm

re: #199 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Herman Cain Don’t Read

Yerp, every white conservative's ideal authentic real negro.

What are you, a fucking idiot?

DOWNDING!

202 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:08:29pm

re: #201 NJDhockeyfan

Umm, you do realize that OCIHACOSP is a black woman IRL, IIRC?

203 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:09:01pm

re: #190 laZardo

QUICK QUESTION:

I've recently decided to give 10% of my income (roughly $25-ish/wk) to help my mom pay the bills back in Manila.

The thing is that I'm having it direct-deposited to her account. She's worried she'll be taxed on it, even though the Safeway site lists it as my income. Is she correct?

The only way the IRS would know anything is by the form the Bank has to file for any interest she earned on the account.

$3000 a year --you can gift up to $10K to a person in one year and avoid tax.

204 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:09:58pm

re: #203 ggt

The only way the IRS would know anything is by the form the Bank has to file for any interest she earned on the account.

$3000 a year --you can gift up to $10K to a person in one year and avoid tax.

Yes, I am incorrect, it is now $13K a year.

205 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:10:14pm

re: #201 NJDhockeyfan

What are you, a fucking idiot?

DOWNDING!

Lol wtf are you?

This is what you guys label Herb Cain, so downding away, conservative authoritarian dupe.

206 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:10:24pm

re: #199 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Herman Cain Don’t Read

Yerp, every white conservative's ideal authentic real negro.

He talks like one, is dark like one --you know . . .

/gah

207 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:12:17pm

Night Lizards. May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you.

Or Not.


Youtube Video
208 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:12:56pm

re: #206 ggt

He talks like one, is dark like one --you know . . .

/gah

Lol unlike the rest of us the white conservative dupes would still have riding jim crow if they thought they could get away with it.

209 jaunte  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:13:07pm

@EricBoehlert:
Wow. Fox Nation Claims Obama's Would-Be Assassin "Linked" To Occupy Protest; bit.ly/ueK1ts #demented (h/t @Lizardoid)

210 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:13:30pm

re: #203 ggt
No, you can gift $13K per year, currently without "gift taxes".
Consult your accountant for details.
It has to be done properly.
FLoral

211 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:13:42pm

re: #199 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Herman Cain Don’t Read

Yerp, every white conservative's ideal authentic real negro.

Your broad brush is painting a few of us who just don't have that coming.

212 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:13:56pm

re: #190 laZardo

QUICK QUESTION:

I've recently decided to give 10% of my income (roughly $25-ish/wk) to help my mom pay the bills back in Manila.

The thing is that I'm having it direct-deposited to her account. She's worried she'll be taxed on it, even though the Safeway site lists it as my income. Is she correct?

Isn't that up to .ph ?

213 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:15:25pm

re: #211 Rightwingconspirator

Your broad brush is painting a few of us who just don't have that coming.

Go complain to the conservative broad brush that buys into the stupidity of 95% of us as slaves on a plantation because we don't vote for the confederate flag of the party of lincoln.

214 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:15:29pm

re: #205 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol wtf are you?

This is what you guys label Herb Cain, so downding away, conservative authoritarian dupe.

I have seen the lefties on HuffPo call him everything like Uncle Tom and other disgusting names. The racism on that left-wing site is oozing with hate. Can you tell me why?

215 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:15:56pm

Rotfl "broad brush" -- somebody really needs to make a short film.

216 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:16:44pm

re: #213 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I've just not seen much of that at all here.

217 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:18:58pm

re: #214 NJDhockeyfan

I have seen the lefties on HuffPo call him everything like Uncle Tom and other disgusting names. The racism on that left-wing site is oozing with hate. Can you tell me why?

Lol look who's racism-chasing. That's so sweet.

9_9

Go chastise your own confederates before pointing and crying at stupid huffpo.

218 freetoken  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:19:39pm

Epicurean thought for the day: Comparing extra dark (72% or 73%) chocolate:

Trader Joe's Organic 73% Dark vs. Endangered Species Chimpanzee, Supreme Dark

The TJ O73D has a rather "pure" chocolate flavor, while the ES Chimpanzee has some complex overtones, almost flowery but perhaps a bit more earthy also. Some attribute the latter to the use of beet sugar in the mix, though I'd point out that purified beet sugar is just sucrose (like cane sugar). Perhaps ES uses an unrefined beet sugar?

For snacking I think I prefer the ES Chimpanzee to the TJ O73D as the more complex flavor and milder after taste is better for stand-alone eating; however, the Almond variant of the TJ is more amenable to the palate than either, as the almonds add some sweetness and nuttiness to counter act the strong chocolate flavor.

The TJ chocolate is a bit less expensive, which gives it the edge.

219 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:20:24pm

re: #217 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol look who's racism-chasing. That's so sweet.

9_9

Go chastise your own confederates before pointing and crying at stupid huffpo.

Go piss up a rope asshole.

220 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:20:54pm

re: #219 NJDhockeyfan

Go piss up a rope asshole.

Dumb confederate.

221 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:21:52pm

re: #219 NJDhockeyfan

No, let's retire that one. Please.

222 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:22:20pm

re: #220 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Dumb confederate.

When did Jersey people join the confederacy? You are dumb as a bag of rocks.

223 Achilles Tang  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:22:49pm

re: #211 Rightwingconspirator

Your broad brush is painting a few of us who just don't have that coming.

What is this argument about? Cain would be the same ignorant fool if he was purple.

224 jaunte  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:23:58pm

re: #190 laZardo

It looks like she might be in the clear with the Philippines tax people as long as the total is under P50,000:

"Sec. 92 Rates of tax payable by donor. — (a) In general. — The tax for each calendar year shall be computed on the basis of the total net gifts made during the calendar year in accordance with the following schedule:
"If the net gift is:

"Over But Not The Tax Plus Of Excess
Over Shall be Over

— P50,000 Exempt — —

[Link: www.chanrobles.com...]

225 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:24:58pm

re: #222 NJDhockeyfan

When did Jersey people join the confederacy? You are dumb as a bag of rocks.

e_e

226 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:25:21pm

re: #218 freetoken

Epicurean thought for the day: Comparing extra dark (72% or 73%) chocolate:

Trader Joe's Organic 73% Dark vs. Endangered Species Chimpanzee, Supreme Dark

The TJ O73D has a rather "pure" chocolate flavor, while the ES Chimpanzee has some complex overtones, almost flowery but perhaps a bit more earthy also. Some attribute the latter to the use of beet sugar in the mix, though I'd point out that purified beet sugar is just sucrose (like cane sugar). Perhaps ES uses an unrefined beet sugar?

For snacking I think I prefer the ES Chimpanzee to the TJ O73D as the more complex flavor and milder after taste is better for stand-alone eating; however, the Almond variant of the TJ is more amenable to the palate than either, as the almonds add some sweetness and nuttiness to counter act the strong chocolate flavor.

The TJ chocolate is a bit less expensive, which gives it the edge.

Have you ever considered you might have a "problem" with the cocoa bean?

227 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:26:25pm

re: #223 Naso Tang

What is this argument about? Cain would be the same ignorant fool if he was purple.

Yeah though not NEARLY as useful.

They'd still call him the same names at Fox Nation, though, purple, black, green, etc.

(Sorry - you had to be in the eggplant thread to get the reference.)

228 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:26:35pm

I think I'll ignore that stupid idiot the rest of the night.

To the rest of the adult lizards...I'm looking to buy my first flat screen TV. Im looking at this one. Anyone know how this one rates?

LG 47LK520

It's gets pretty good reviews.

229 freetoken  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:26:47pm

re: #226 prairiefire

Freedom, have you ever considered you might have a "problem" with the cocoa bean?

That's not possible.

230 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:26:50pm

re: #226 prairiefire

Have you ever considered you might have a "problem" with the cocoa bean?

I have a serious problem with the cocoa bean, but I can stop any time. I swear.

231 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:26:53pm

re: #223 Naso Tang

What is this argument about? Cain would be the same ignorant fool if he was purple.

I take exception to #199
""Herman Cain Don’t Read
Yerp, every white conservative's ideal authentic real negro.""

I'm white. I'm conservative in a number of ways. Herman Cain is not my "ideal authentic real negro". I called out the broad brush.

232 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:28:16pm

re: #230 EmmmieG

HEH.
Proove it!!
///kinda

233 laZardo  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:29:45pm

re: #224 jaunte

Actually, she's also working at Safeway (different branch) too. So we're mainly talking about her US income.

234 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:30:33pm

re: #231 Rightwingconspirator

Herman Cain is not my "ideal authentic real negro". I called out the broad brush.

Ah, the clutched pearls.

I sure hope you're around to call out the so-called "broad brush" the next time HC calls 95% of us brainwashed because we'll never do like him and vote for the party of segregation and neo-Confederacy.

235 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:30:41pm

Tim Tebow is exciting the crowd in Denver tonight.

236 jaunte  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:31:33pm

re: #233 laZardo

Ah, ok. It looks like she's probably fine as long as she has a letter saying you gave her the money.

237 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:32:35pm

re: #168 HappyWarrior

Gary Johnson would be funny or the guy who ran Godfather's who's never been elected to anything. Oh you're telling me he actually made front runner status? And Rick Perry too?

This is the best conservatives can come up with against the incumbent.

238 Achilles Tang  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:32:51pm

re: #227 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah though not NEARLY as useful.

They'd still call him the same names at Fox Nation, though, purple, black, green, etc.

(Sorry - you had to be in the eggplant thread to get the reference.)

It's confusing. Cain is stupid, and black. Obama is too intelligent and not really black. Nearly all the other candidates are stupid, but white.

Sounds like an episode of SNL.

239 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:33:41pm

Cain: "He later said said Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Reps. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) and Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) were "overseers of this 21st-century plantation" and social welfare programs were "liberal economic enslavement."

"Cain has made a number of racially charged comments recently. Just Tuesday he said that President Barack Obama has "never been a part of the black experience in America."

he's a joke, he's pathetic, it's pretty plain to see

240 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:34:45pm

UNCLE RUCKUS

because windsagio is out of town :D

241 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:35:09pm

re: #138 Varek Raith

So, who's next after the inevitable Gingrich letdown???

Romney.

/Schadenfreude

242 jaunte  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:37:02pm

"Over the past year, a great disquiet has swept across the face of Saturn..."

Now that's a big storm.

243 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:37:07pm

more Cain hilarity:

It took our nation nearly 250 years to end slavery and live up to the self-evident truth that all men are created equal. It should not take us another 250 years to cease the involuntary negative return most working people receive from Social Security, or the involuntary servitude imposed by the oppressive income tax code.

anyone calling Cain an uncle tom would have to repeat it about a quadzillion times through the PA at Madison Square Garden to get to the level of mindboggling offense of saying with a straight face that SS and progressive income tax are equivalent to SLAVERY.

you may return to your football, lol

244 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:37:20pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

I actually have a memory of him saying he was reading Rick Atchinson's book about the North African campaign during WWII. Made me want to get it since I needed a good book on North Africa for my library.

I think W. said he didn't like boring books about policy, which worried some folks a bit, but yes, at least he read stuff.

245 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:37:31pm

re: #214 NJDhockeyfan

I have seen the lefties on HuffPo call him everything like Uncle Tom and other disgusting names. The racism on that left-wing site is oozing with hate. Can you tell me why?

Well, you see . . .

Pre-Civil War there were many African-American's who had, for whatever reason, secured their freedom. Some decided to stay in the South and compete with the Whites. They bought land and slaves and grew their own farms --some into respectable plantations.

Being a freed slave and then buying your own slaves is insane to most of us in 2011. But an individual who did this accepted slavery as a natural state and felt accomplished that he could become a Master.

Like Rome . . . .

246 Achilles Tang  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:37:43pm

re: #241 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Romney.

/Schadenfreude

And then we become a monarchy. Enter Jeb.

247 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:39:25pm

let's repeat:


Republican black presidential contender calls social security and income tax equivalent to slavery.


So, NJDHockeyfan, what if he compared it to the holocaust instead of slavery?

would THAT be a bridge too far for ya? ;-)

248 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:39:39pm

re: #238 Naso Tang

It's confusing. Cain is stupid, and black. Obama is too intelligent and not really black. Nearly all the other candidates are stupid, but white.

Sounds like an episode of SNL.

Oh, trust me, Obama is Black.

This is America we are talking about.

249 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:40:16pm

re: #238 Naso Tang

It's confusing. Cain is stupid, and black.

And Authentically Black.

So it's said. lol /

Obama is too intelligent and not really black. Nearly all the other candidates are stupid, but white.

Sounds like an episode of SNL.

I would say, "too intelligent, THUS not really black."

And yet...the dupes as yet wonder why they still can't get but 17 of us to vote with them.

The only people stupid enough fall for this HC Black Authenticity crud are the confederates. It really grates on them that even the Dumbest People On Earth™ see through it, immediately, and they don't.

250 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:40:47pm

Republican Party Doing Everything It Can To Lose Election Before Primaries Start

doesn't really want to be president anyway, would rather play online games all day

251 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:41:17pm

re: #242 jaunte

"Over the past year, a great disquiet has swept across the face of Saturn..."

Now that's a big storm.

Awesome pictures! You should make a page for that.

252 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:41:23pm

re: #223 Naso Tang

What is this argument about? Cain would be the same ignorant fool if he was purple.

Back to eggplants.

253 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:41:29pm

re: #234 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ah, the clutched pearls.

I sure hope you're around to call out the so-called "broad brush" the next time HC calls 95% of us brainwashed because we'll never do like him and vote for the party of segregation and neo-Confederacy.

I am no fan of HC. I'm not even Republican. I don't expect decent behavior of HC. I have no reason to. For the most part we treat each other a bit better than that around here. Happens to be a facet of this place I appreciate.

Clutched pearls? Really?

254 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:41:46pm

re: #243 WindUpBird

more Cain hilarity:

anyone calling Cain an uncle tom would have to repeat it about a quadzillion times through the PA at Madison Square Garden to get to the level of mindboggling offense of saying with a straight face that SS and progressive income tax are equivalent to SLAVERY.

you may return to your football, lol

HC is just a symbol to them. Herman Cain, the person, would be just another n***** if he didn't spout stupidity like SS and progressive income tax IS THE PLANTATION hurr hurr...

Stupid con dupes...this has been their front runner for the past two months. /Schadenfreude

255 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:42:10pm

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist

Back to eggplants.

I am partial to eggplant!

256 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:43:41pm

re: #247 WindUpBird

let's repeat:

Republican black presidential contender calls social security and income tax equivalent to slavery.

So, NJDHockeyfan, what if he compared it to the holocaust instead of slavery?

would THAT be a bridge too far for ya? ;-)

Why would that be a farther bridge?

257 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:44:34pm

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist

Back to eggplants.

I was inspired by our thread to make Thai green curry tonight.

Couldn't get ahold of Thai eggplants, though. Another night.

Youtube Video
258 Achilles Tang  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:45:12pm

re: #248 ggt

Oh, trust me, Obama is Black.

This is America we are talking about.

See 239. Let's face it. The issue is not color of skin, it is a culture perception.

259 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:45:19pm

re: #254 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

HC is just a symbol to them. Herman Cain, the person, would be just another n***** if he didn't spout stupidity like SS and progressive income tax IS THE PLANTATION hurr hurr...

Stupid con dupes...this has been their front runner for the past two months. /Schadenfreude

People equate corporations with plantations in this scenerio. I can see it, a bit.

Cain was/is successful in Cowboy type-business venture. More power to him. If that is is goal, congrats!

Wingnuts just have to find a way to turn it into a "real black" thing. I don't get it. I'm truly suprised they haven't had him appear in a cowboy hat and revolver at a turkey shoot. gah

260 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:46:34pm

re: #258 Naso Tang

See 239. Let's face it. The issue is not color of skin, it is a culture perception.

Obama is not only black, he is sooo different.

The wingnuts are xenophobic even more than they are racist. They do see Cain as an American. Obama --they are freakin' scared sh**tless of.

261 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:47:25pm

re: #258 Naso Tang

See 239. Let's face it. The issue is not color of skin, it is a culture perception.

A perception of culture that the GOP is pushing hard for, with Cain as the pushing stick.

All the black people I know perceive Obama as black, regardless of whether they like him or not, and the only white people I know who say he's not black see blackness as political superpower they want to take away from him.

262 laZardo  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:47:36pm

Nobody fucks with the Pony Jesus.

263 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:47:39pm

re: #247 WindUpBird

let's repeat:

Republican black presidential contender calls social security and income tax equivalent to slavery.

So, NJDHockeyfan, what if he compared it to the holocaust instead of slavery?

would THAT be a bridge too far for ya? ;-)

It would be wrong just like a Democrat Senator leader comparing Republicans who voted against the health care bill as not trying to end slavery and suffrage.

264 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:48:25pm

re: #260 ggt

Obama is not only black, he is sooo different.

The wingnuts are xenophobic even more than they are racist. They do see Cain as an American. Obama --they are freakin' scared sh**tless of.

Well, one difference I can see is that I don't think Herman Cain has ever made anyone feel a little bit stupid in comparison.

265 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:49:35pm

re: #264 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, one difference I can see is that I don't think Herman Cain has ever made anyone feel a little bit stupid in comparison.

His black Kenyan Mooslim Indonesian White Hippy Mother Hawaiian background is just too strange for the wingnuts.

266 Achilles Tang  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:50:05pm

re: #260 ggt

Obama is not only black, he is sooo different.

The wingnuts are xenophobic even more than they are racist. They do see Cain as an American. Obama --they are freakin' scared sh**tless of.

I wonder what they will say if they figure out that he is an atheist and not a Muslim.

267 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:50:30pm

re: #266 Naso Tang

I wonder what they will say if they figure out that he is an atheist and not a Muslim.

Heads will explode.

268 sagehen  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:51:17pm

re: #131 NJDhockeyfan

I don't understand what all the hoopla is with Cain. Put a fork in him, he's done. Now that Newt's poll numbers are rising I expect him to be the next punching bag.

They need him to keep being publicly clearly unqualified, to instill a Pavlovian response in moderate swing voters that Black = Clearly Unqualified.

269 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:51:32pm

re: #259 ggt

People equate corporations with plantations in this scenerio. I can see it, a bit.

Cain was/is successful in Cowboy type-business venture. More power to him. If that is is goal, congrats!

Wingnuts just have to find a way to turn it into a "real black" thing. I don't get it. I'm truly suprised they haven't had him appear in a cowboy hat and revolver at a turkey shoot. gah

Oh, give it time.

Wingnuts just have to find a way to turn it into a "real black" thing. I don't get it.

It's just butthurt. They covet the numbers of our voting bloc, but their generations-old conditioning will always have them lapsing into insults and browbeating (i.e. you're DUMB because you don't vote for our segregationists!) when it comes to their general approach to Black Americans.

Having an actual constituency will drive the stupid race-hysterical white cons to the Constitution Party or into the loving arms of the Campaign for Liberty.

So, the GOP has mopped themselves into a corner of their own making. HC is taking advantage of them. A part of me finds it kind of hilarious, what he is doing to them.

/personal view

270 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:52:13pm

I've been having so much fun today --I got thru about 2 1/2 inches of paper in my Dodd-Frank Research.

I added about 25 names and descriptions to my database of ACRONYMS--necessary to keep everything straight in my mind.

Now, I'm reading a scholarly paper on the Shadow Banking System.

Aren't you jealous?

271 Lidane  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:52:36pm

Sorry to go OT, but if any of the PC gamers around here could offer some advice, it would be much appreciated.

I'm in the market for a laptop that will not only offer decent performance with my games (I'm thinking specifically Star Wars: The Old Republic when it launches) but which doesn't require a forklift to move around. I'd like to keep it at or around $1500 if I can. Any thoughts or recommendations? Thanks in advance!

272 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:52:50pm

re: #269 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ok, he looks really good in a black hat.

teehee :0

273 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:53:16pm

re: #265 ggt

His black Kenyan Mooslim Indonesian White Hippy Mother Hawaiian background is just too strange for the wingnuts.

Well, they should get over themselves. Really.

274 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:53:59pm

re: #266 Naso Tang

I wonder what they will say if they figure out that he is an atheist and not a Muslim.

First, I think the dude's actually some kind of Protestant.

Secondly, they think that atheism is a branch of Islam, so I don't think that would even slow them down.

275 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:54:12pm

re: #273 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, they should get over themselves. Really.

I have some real fears that the Brave New World is going to implode on all of us because so many people can't internalize it.

276 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:54:21pm

re: #255 ggt

I am partial to eggplant!

Mmmmmmm...Eggplant Parmagiana!

277 Lidane  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:54:28pm

re: #136 NJDhockeyfan

Ok, what is NOT ROMNEY? I must have missed something.

The current GOP polls that show Gingrich and Cain either leading Mittens, or right on his heels.

It's the ass-backwards idiocy among the socon right that won't vote for a Mormon and which hates Romney beyond all reason to the point where they're drifting from Bachmann to Perry to Cain to Gingrich in an effort to find someone -- ANYONE -- who isn't Mitt Romney.

278 Achilles Tang  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:54:53pm

OT. My iPad is new. How come if I go to another tab, then come back to LGF I get the top of the comments again and have to jump to bottom again. My PC doesn't do that.

279 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:54:55pm

re: #274 SanFranciscoZionist

Secondly, they think that atheism is a branch of Islam, so I don't think that would even slow them down.

I think they think it is actually worse that Islam.

280 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:55:31pm

re: #278 Naso Tang

OT. My iPad is new. How come if I go to another tab, then come back to LGF I get the top of the comments again and have to jump to bottom again. My PC doesn't do that.

dunno, mine doesn't do that.

281 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:56:58pm

Going upstairs? -------------->

282 Achilles Tang  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:57:17pm

re: #274 SanFranciscoZionist

First, I think the dude's actually some kind of Protestant.

Sure. He has to say that.

283 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:57:22pm

re: #277 Lidane

The current GOP polls that show Gingrich and Cain either leading Mittens, or right on his heels.

It's the ass-backwards idiocy among the socon right that won't vote for a Mormon and which hates Romney beyond all reason to the point where they're drifting from Bachmann to Perry to Cain to Gingrich in an effort to find someone -- ANYONE -- who isn't Mitt Romney.

Romney has been leading the polls pretty much the whole time. I don't get your point.

284 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:57:36pm

re: #260 ggt

Obama is not only black, he is sooo different.

The wingnuts are xenophobic even more than they are racist. They do see Cain as an American. Obama --they are freakin' scared sh**tless of.

I don't think so.

Put it this way: 1962, both would be riding jim crow from these people.

2011, HC is a convenient red herring against the 95% of us who have been voting D since around 1962-1968, and onwards. We are every bit as scary and non-American as Obama, and always have been in, in the confederate's eyes. Having been a Black Con, I know this about them.

285 recusancy  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:58:43pm

re: #283 NJDhockeyfan

Romney has been leading the polls pretty much the whole time. I don't get your point.

Cain was ahead now Gingrich is.

286 Robert O.  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:58:52pm

Goodbye, Mr. 9-9-9. It was fun while it lasted. You managed to inject humor in the Republican anti-Romney pageantry for four whole weeks! Now, please exit stage right (all the way over there!) and don't let the door slam you on the way out.

Okay....who's the next anti-Romney to come in through the revolving door? Oh, I see Newt. Then who else?

287 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 8:59:11pm

re: #272 ggt

Ok, he looks really good in a black hat.

teehee :0

He is a charmer, no getting around that.

288 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 9:01:02pm

re: #283 NJDhockeyfan

Romney has been leading the polls pretty much the whole time. I don't get your point.

And now that HC is on the inevitable wane after groping blondes, you can go back to pretending he doesn't exist.

289 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 9:02:22pm

re: #284 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I don't think so.

Put it this way: 1962, both would be riding jim crow from these people.

2011, HC is a convenient red herring against the 95% of us who have been voting D since around 1962-1968, and onwards. We are every bit as scary and non-American as Obama, and always have been in, in the confederate's eyes. Having been a Black Con, I know this about them.

There is probably a fear scale. Starting with Blonde Blue-eyed WASP male and ending with Obama. Cain would be a few rungs above Obama. He would get xtra points for being a Corporate Mogul.

:0

290 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 9:02:28pm

re: #260 ggt

Obama is not only black, he is sooo different.

The wingnuts are xenophobic even more than they are racist. They do see Cain as an American. Obama --they are freakin' scared sh**tless of.

He is an indigo child, the son of a progressive.

291 sagehen  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 9:02:45pm

re: #205 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol wtf are you?

This is what you guys label Herb Cain, so downding away, conservative authoritarian dupe.

Herb Cain is a very smart newspaper columnist; Herman Cain is no relation.

292 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 9:04:02pm

Cain receives Secret Service protection

Herman Cain on Thursday became the first Republican presidential candidate to receive Secret Service protection. Cain asked for the security and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and congressional leaders approved his request Thursday, Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan confirmed.

Elite agents were expected to begin protecting the former pizza company executive sometime Thursday.

There have been threats against Cain, who had been experiencing a bounce in the polls, according to an official with knowledge of the situation who asked not to be identified because of the sensitive nature of the situation. The nature of the threats was unclear.

Donovan would not say whether there had been any threats or discuss why protection was being provided.

Cain's campaign had no immediate comment.

That sucks. WTF is wrong with people?

293 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 9:04:11pm

re: #282 Naso Tang

Sure. He has to say that.

I pay everyone the courtesy of believing that they adhere to whatever the heck religion or lack thereof they say they adhere to. If once can ahere to a lack of religion.

Also, I have no reason to think Obama is not some kind of Protestant.

294 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 9:04:24pm

re: #291 sagehen

Herb Cain is a very smart newspaper columnist; Herman Cain is no relation.

Lol we should start calling him Herman Caen.

295 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 9:05:15pm

re: #293 SanFranciscoZionist

I pay everyone the courtesy of believing that they adhere to whatever the heck religion or lack thereof they say they adhere to. If once can ahere to a lack of religion.

Also, I have no reason to think Obama is not some kind of Protestant.

Michelle makes him go to church.

/

296 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 9:05:26pm

re: #291 sagehen

Herb Cain is a very smart newspaper columnist; Herman Cain is no relation.

CAEN.

297 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 9:06:35pm

re: #292 NJDhockeyfan

Cain receives Secret Service protection

That sucks. WTF is wrong with people?

I don't know, exactly. Original sin, possibly.

Sucks, anyway. I think Obama also had to have it as a candidate, didn't he?

Seeing a little theme there. Not a good one.

298 Interesting Times  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 9:06:41pm

re: #288 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

And now that HC is on the inevitable wane after groping blondes

Think that could explain why he's getting Secret Service protection? :/ I recall you expressing concern about his personal safety if his accusers turned out to be white...

299 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 9:07:45pm

re: #298 publicityStunted

Think that could explain why he's getting Secret Service protection? :/

They are surrounding him to keep the blondes safe?

300 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 9:07:58pm

re: #295 ggt

Michelle makes him go to church.

/

Well, that's nice and normal. Most Christian families I know, the woman picks the church. The man's job is to put on nice clothes, force his sons to do likewise, and drive.

301 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 9:08:05pm

re: #297 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know, exactly. Original sin, possibly.

Sucks, anyway. I think Obama also had to have it as a candidate, didn't he?

Seeing a little theme there. Not a good one.

Humans will be Humans

302 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 9:08:28pm

re: #297 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know, exactly. Original sin, possibly.

Sucks, anyway. I think Obama also had to have it as a candidate, didn't he?

Seeing a little theme there. Not a good one.

Yes. More from that same article:

Secret Service protection is given to each major party's presidential nominee, but can be provided earlier if the Department of Homeland Security approves a campaign's request.

When then-Sen. Barack Obama was placed under Secret Service protection in May 2007, it was the earliest ever for a presidential candidate. One of his rivals, Hillary Rodham Clinton, already had a protective detail because she was a former first lady.

In the 2004 campaign, Democratic candidates John Kerry and John Edwards received their protection in February of that year as they competed for the party's nomination.

Federal law allows candidates to seek protection if they meet a series of standards, including public prominence as measured by polls and fundraising.

303 Interesting Times  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 9:08:33pm

re: #299 ggt

See edit

304 sagehen  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 9:09:00pm

re: #245 ggt

Well, you see . . .

Pre-Civil War there were many African-American's who had, for whatever reason, secured their freedom. Some decided to stay in the South and compete with the Whites. They bought land and slaves and grew their own farms --some into respectable plantations.

Being a freed slave and then buying your own slaves is insane to most of us in 2011. But an individual who did this accepted slavery as a natural state and felt accomplished that he could become a Master.

Like Rome . . .

"Many"?!?!

A few in Maryland and Louisiana -- but in most of what became the confederacy there was no such thing, by law, as a free black man. If a master for some reason were disposed towards freeing any, they had to leave the state and go be free somewhere else.

305 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 9:13:08pm

re: #304 sagehen

"Many"?!?!

A few in Maryland and Louisiana -- but in most of what became the confederacy there was no such thing, by law, as a free black man. If a master for some reason were disposed towards freeing any, they had to leave the state and go be free somewhere else.

Well, I'd have to dig out a few books . . .

1700's - - -pre-revolutionary war time perhaps?

306 Lidane  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 9:13:51pm

re: #283 NJDhockeyfan

Romney has been leading the polls pretty much the whole time. I don't get your point.

The point is there are fundamentalist evangelicals who consider Mormons a half-step above Satanists. They simply won't vote for one because they think Mormons are cult members and aren't "real" Christians. It's a bias that Romney is facing from the GOP base.

307 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 9:16:24pm

re: #306 Lidane

The point is there are fundamentalist evangelicals who consider Mormons a half-step above Satanists. They simply won't vote for one because they think Mormons are cult members and aren't "real" Christians. It's a bias that Romney is facing from the GOP base.

If Romney becomes the Republican presidential candidate I think they will vote for him. Their only other choice is Obama and they wont vote for him.

308 sagehen  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 9:18:18pm

re: #294 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol we should start calling him Herman Caen.

re: #296 SanFranciscoZionist

CAEN.

I stand corrected. According to Wiki, Herb Cain was a Canadian hockey player.

309 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 9:19:05pm

re: #307 NJDhockeyfan

If Romney becomes the Republican presidential candidate I think they will vote for him. Their only other choice is Obama and they wont vote for him.

THey could just stay home. They've done that before.

310 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 9:20:32pm

re: #309 SanFranciscoZionist

THey could just stay home. They've done that before.

I don't think so. Maybe if the economy and unemployment weren't so far in the tank they might but not this time.

311 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 9:20:44pm

re: #309 SanFranciscoZionist

THey could just stay home. They've done that before.

Or hold their noses and vote for him. Romney's not going to get enthusiasm from the Republican base. He faces a problem much like McCain did in 2008 where Republican voters were more anti his opponent than pro him. Same thing with Kerry for the Dems in 2004 really. And yeah I realize Obama doesn't have the enthusiasm he had going for him in 2008 but incumbency's a nice advantage.

312 Lidane  Thu, Nov 17, 2011 10:00:58pm

re: #307 NJDhockeyfan

If Romney becomes the Republican presidential candidate I think they will vote for him. Their only other choice is Obama and they wont vote for him.

They have a third choice. They will stay home.

313 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 2:27:19am

re: #270 ggt

I've been having so much fun today --I got thru about 2 1/2 inches of paper in my Dodd-Frank Research.

I added about 25 names and descriptions to my database of ACRONYMS--necessary to keep everything straight in my mind.

Now, I'm reading a scholarly paper on the Shadow Banking System.

Aren't you jealous?

Actually, yes. Care to share?

314 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Nov 18, 2011 3:03:49am

re: #256 SanFranciscoZionist

Why would that be a farther bridge?

Because he sure does get wound up about israel and sure does NOT get wound up about black people. His politics over HYAH, and the other side's politics, over YHAR.

Liberals all fuss about slavery! What's the big deal, rite?!?!


basically, his politics, versus not his politics, etc, tribalism, blind spot, I-Am-Limbaugh-Style-Outraged-About-The-Left's-Racist-Attacks-On-herman-Cain-and-yet-I-somehow-always-miss-that-he-says-monstrous-things-that-trivalize-slavery


he is not so bright :)


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