I’m trying to decide whether to play Batman: Arkham City or live-blog the Iowa GOP debate.
But how can I resist the sheer spectacle of the Republican Clown Car as it pulls into Sioux City, Iowa with a full load of pandering politicians? And with questions from Fox News, no less.
Live video is here: Fox News Live - Video - Fox News.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:01:29pm |
Santorum is on the far left again. I wonder if he'll take the hint.
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jaunte Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:02:03pm |
On behalf of political cartoonists everywhere, "Go Newt!"
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freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:02:21pm |
And Huntsman on the far right.
Compared to their relative stands on political issues, we must savor the irony of Huntsman's and Santorum's placements.
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Major Tom Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:03:11pm |
the number one goal, above prosperity, equality, fairness... etc
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Mocking Jay Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:03:17pm |
I'm really curious to see how much time they give Paul, considering his polling.
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Major Tom Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:04:03pm |
2 fox logos on the screen at once.... can they beat that?
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albusteve Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:04:11pm |
"Fox...debates are our fair and balanced business!"
cha ching!
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Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:04:14pm |
Let's see if Gingrich keeps his pledge to stay positive.
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Targetpractice Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:04:16pm |
And Newt out of the gate with comparing himself to Reagan again.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:04:50pm |
After seven three hour debates, Obama will no longer have the will to live.
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Petero1818 Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:04:56pm |
By the way..if you don't celebrate Christmas...well....fuck you.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:05:12pm |
re: #15 JasonA
After seven three hour debates, Obama will no longer have the will to live.
I think that's the plan.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:06:06pm |
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Major Tom Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:06:13pm |
"...Teaching one and two star generals the art of war..." someone call him on that.
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jaunte Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:06:17pm |
"I've had affairs longer than Obama's presidency."
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Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:06:57pm |
Newt: "My commitment to discipline is beyond question."
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God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:07:01pm |
Did Ron Paul bring his bear claw again? "Five! Five departments I'd eliminate!"
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freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:07:15pm |
re: #22 Charles
Newt: "My commitment to discipline is beyond question."
Except wrt marital promises.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:07:15pm |
Obama's beating himself.
There they go with that projection again.
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Linden Arden Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:07:45pm |
Sun-Tzu said "Big headed asshole usually lose election".
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Targetpractice Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:08:16pm |
"$1 trillion out of the budget in the first year, no country to write a budget for in the second!"
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God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:08:18pm |
The Uncle wants $1T cut in his first year? Good luck on getting 15 votes in the just the House.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:08:19pm |
Shorter Megyn Kelly: Santorum, why are you such a failure?
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:08:27pm |
re: #25 JasonA
Obama's beating himself.
There they go with that projection again.
Good. Then the TPGOP won't need to GOTV.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:08:46pm |
re: #26 Linden Arden
Sun-Tzu said "Big headed asshole usually lose election".
I think Sun Tzu said "Oh, merciful Guan Yin, I need a drink. Turn this shit off."
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God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:09:02pm |
re: #29 JasonA
Shorter Megyn Kelly: Santorum, why are you such a failure?
Santorum, have you ever Googled your name?
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elizajane Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:09:04pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:09:20pm |
re: #29 JasonA
Shorter Megyn Kelly: Santorum, why are you such a failure?
Is she the mod? Descriptions!!!
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Major Tom Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:09:29pm |
Kelly: "Sen. Santorum, no one has spent as much time in Iowa as you. Even Iowans leave once and a while."
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Mocking Jay Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:10:08pm |
re: #34 Stanley Sea
Is she the mod? Descriptions!!!
She's... blonde? Don't know what you're looking for. :P
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Targetpractice Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:10:33pm |
Government doesn't create jobs, just ask the defense industry...er, nevermind.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:10:50pm |
re: #37 JasonA
She's... blonde? Don't know what you're looking for. :P
Is she the moderator? For real?
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Digital Display Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:10:59pm |
I think Ron Paul should wear a red sweater during debates...
Welcome to my neighborhood boys and girls..
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Targetpractice Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:11:03pm |
Staples? Oooh, bad move, Mitt, bad move.
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God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:11:38pm |
Good grief, did Batshit Bachmann have her face spray painted???!!
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Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:11:39pm |
Wow, Michele Bachmann's eye makeup is enormous.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:12:05pm |
re: #32 Kid A
Santorum, have you ever Googled your name?
His campaign acknowledges that he has 'a Google problem'.
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Targetpractice Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:12:08pm |
Anyone else having buffering problems? Or is it just my computer?
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God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:12:13pm |
Put your notes down, Bachmann!
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Petero1818 Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:12:17pm |
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Mocking Jay Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:12:34pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:12:43pm |
re: #37 JasonA
She's... blonde? Don't know what you're looking for. :P
Blonde, cleavage, nothing behind the eyes.
Thinks pepper spray is a food product.
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recusancy Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:12:45pm |
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krypto Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:12:48pm |
Bachmann looks likes her image was created with computer animation software. How did she manage that?
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:12:53pm |
re: #47 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Anyone else having buffering problems? Or is it just my computer?
Running the video in another window really slows me down.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:12:59pm |
re: #52 SanFranciscoZionist
Blonde, cleavage, nothing behind the eyes.
Thinks pepper spray is a food product.
Essentially.
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Simply Sarah Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:13:38pm |
re: #47 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Anyone else having buffering problems? Or is it just my computer?
It doesn't seem to want to run properly for me at all, either. Maybe that's for the best.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:13:41pm |
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jaunte Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:14:02pm |
re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist
I think he drank some before he walked out.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:14:03pm |
Rick Perry babbling like a speed freak. Cool.
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God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:14:11pm |
Perry is the crown jewel of douche. Tebow, Rick? You even made a throwing motion with your right arm. Tim's a lefty, you jackass.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:14:50pm |
Sources: Agreement reached to prevent shutdown
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Targetpractice Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:15:16pm |
Don't think I'll be able to liveblog this debate, Fox News doesn't seem to like me trying to comment and listen at the same time.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:15:21pm |
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freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:16:25pm |
re: #71 Killgore Trout
Sources: Agreement reached to prevent shutdown
Shhh... you'll take away the drama.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:17:12pm |
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God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:18:37pm |
Uh oh, Mitt said that Democrats love America, too. Kiss your campaign goodbye, Romney.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:18:40pm |
Wow, I'd forgotten how vacuous these debates are.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:19:30pm |
re: #66 Kid A
Perry is the crown jewel of douche. Tebow, Rick? You even made a throwing motion with your right arm. Tim's a lefty, you jackass.
How. Dare. Him.
Now, evoke the Gators over A&M you freak.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:19:45pm |
wait for it... wait for it... wait for it... surely the FED is coming soon... just wait for it...
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Mocking Jay Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:19:58pm |
re: #86 JoyousMN
Wait...Obama walked away from "grand bargain?"
He had a chance to give the Republicans EVERYTHING they wanted and he walked away from it!!1!
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Petero1818 Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:20:16pm |
she knows how many members of Congress there are, and she knows the tea party talking points. Thats a real double whammy.
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steve_davis Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:20:18pm |
re: #26 Linden Arden
Sun-Tzu said "Big headed asshole usually lose election".
"No tickey, no laundry."
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albusteve Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:20:26pm |
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God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:20:49pm |
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God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:21:25pm |
Is that noise when their time runs out a message to us to have another shot?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:22:23pm |
I propose that all seven candidates should wear false eyelashes.
(It looks like Bachmann's wearing a pair.)
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jaunte Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:22:31pm |
@thinkprogress
Key Question: Can Gingrich work Ronald Reagan into every answer?
(2 for 2 so far)
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steve_davis Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:22:39pm |
re: #34 Stanley Sea
Is she the mod? Descriptions!!!
"Kelley is back in the shotgun, Gingrich moving right to left...then back to the right....then further to the right...the whole freakin' team just went all the way off to the right....and Obama wins by default."
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freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:23:03pm |
And the mystery topics is....?
NBA strike?
Biden?
Global Warming?
Group sex?
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Interesting Times Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:23:14pm |
@LOLGOP
Every time Bachmann speaks humpback whales all over the world beach.
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Romantic Heretic Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:23:28pm |
re: #45 Charles
Wow, Michele Bachmann's eye makeup is enormous.
Maybe she's channelling Amy Winehouse.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:23:39pm |
re: #101 freetoken
And the mystery topics is...?
NBA strike?
Biden?
Global Warming?
Group sex?
The War on X-Mas!
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albusteve Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:24:28pm |
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freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:24:57pm |
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Petero1818 Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:25:19pm |
wagers on what question they ask that has never been asked before in the other debates? I will start.
Your choice for VP 1) Jesus 2) Joseph Smith Jr.
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God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:25:29pm |
re: #104 Killgore Trout
The War on X-Mas!
We have bumper stickers (along with those stupid antlers that they put on their car windows) around here that say "Keep the Christ in Christmas."
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albusteve Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:25:53pm |
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freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:25:54pm |
Sioux City... that is Vander Plaats back yard.
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Interesting Times Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:26:09pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:26:12pm |
re: #107 Petero1818
wagers on what question they ask that has never been asked before in the other debates? I will start.
Your choice for VP 1) Jesus 2) Joseph Smith Jr.
Neither of whom is actually eligible to run, one on account of being not a native American, and the other on account of being dead since 1842.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:26:27pm |
re: #108 Kid A
We have bumper stickers (along with those stupid antlers that they put on their car windows) around here that say "Keep the Christ in Christmas."
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God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:27:07pm |
re: #106 freetoken
FREE THE CHILD!
Also, at the grocery store the other day, the clerk (as she was instructed to do) said "Happy Holidays!" to the guy in front of me as he left. He yelled at her "MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!" and walked out. Strange...
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:27:26pm |
Why we will never have a president with ADD: I lose interest in the question during the question.
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jaunte Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:27:40pm |
Romney talking about living in the real world. Priceless.
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God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:27:42pm |
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JoyousMN Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:28:10pm |
re: #114 Kid A
So down-trodden. Too bad the have no influence on anything.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:29:23pm |
re: #98 EmmmieG
I propose that all seven candidates should wear false eyelashes.
(It looks like Bachmann's wearing a pair.)
Men don't need false eyelashes. They always have better ones. Little mascara, to bring them out, maybe.
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aagcobb Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:29:36pm |
Obama was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, unlike Mitt./
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:29:43pm |
re: #121 SanFranciscoZionist
Men don't need false eyelashes. They always have better ones. Little mascara, to bring them out, maybe.
My husband's eyelashes hit his glasses.
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Romantic Heretic Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:30:35pm |
re: #112 EmmmieG
Neither of whom is actually eligible to run, one on account of being not a native American, and the other on account of being dead since 1842.
You take that back. He is the First and Best American.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:30:40pm |
re: #112 EmmmieG
Neither of whom is actually eligible to run, one on account of being not a native American, and the other on account of being dead since 1842.
JESUS HATER!!!!
///
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:31:45pm |
Bleh, I can't sit through another one of these. Arkham City does sound like a better idea. It's populated with fewer crazies.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:31:46pm |
re: #114 Kid A
Also, at the grocery store the other day, the clerk (as she was instructed to do) said "Happy Holidays!" to the guy in front of me as he left. He yelled at her "MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!" and walked out. Strange...
I wish people would, at least, realize that the clerk in a big store did not pick the greeting, and write a letter to the manager if they must complain.
No one working as a grocery store checker is making enough money to put up with this kind of shit.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:31:48pm |
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jaunte Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:32:07pm |
Gingrich is being a radical government-lover in this segment.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:32:10pm |
Credit unions, even for fed employees, are not government sponsored.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:32:18pm |
Freddie would have paid $1.6 million for just another history teacher. There is one reason Newt got that much money - because he was Speaker at one time.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:32:51pm |
re: #134 Decatur Deb
Credit unions, even for fed employees, are not government sponsored.
I heard that and I was wondering about it.
I used to work for a credit union.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:33:08pm |
re: #124 EmmmieG
My husband's eyelashes hit his glasses.
I always wondered about that. I teach teenage boys. They have eyelashes women would kill someone for.
My friend the Biology Guru looked at me when I brought this up and said, "TESTOSTERONE, sweetie."
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:33:09pm |
That is an awesome suit she is wearing, though.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:33:33pm |
what the fuck, Michelle Bachmann looks like Cruella DeVille escaped from the KISS Army
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Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:33:54pm |
Bachmann's eyelashes are at least an inch and a half long.
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God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:33:55pm |
Only in Washington-speak can a lie be said as "factually not true."
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:34:22pm |
re: #142 Charles
Bachmann's eyelashes are at least an inch and a half long.
No, the things stuck to her eyelids are an inch and half long.
Her eyelashes are undoubtedly a normal length.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:34:31pm |
What is so sad about this is the realization that they do not talk to "us", and I mean people like those here, and I presume we are not alone.
Is this why they wish to abolish the department of education?
I bet not one of them even read Orwell.
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Major Tom Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:34:38pm |
...and that is the last time you will hear politifact mentioned...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:35:10pm |
re: #144 EmmmieG
No, the things stuck to her eyelids are an inch and half long.
Her eyelashes are undoubtedly a normal length.
I think they're hydraulic, there's structural reinforcement there
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Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:35:22pm |
There's at least a full pound of makeup on the Fox News stage tonight.
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Amory Blaine Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:35:31pm |
re: #142 Charles
Bachmann's eyelashes are at least an inch and a half long.
She bats them to fly in Arkham City. She's one of the villains.
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jaunte Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:35:32pm |
Lobbyists who visit with congressional staff members rather than members of Congress themselves are not considered lobbyists.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:35:57pm |
re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist
I wish people would, at least, realize that the clerk in a big store did not pick the greeting, and write a letter to the manager if they must complain.
No one working as a grocery store checker is making enough money to put up with this kind of shit.
I should comment on my ongoing traumatization at having once been required to answer the phone "Good morning, March of Dimes, saving babies together, how may I help you?"
No one realized I wasn't done after "March of Dimes", so they would start to speak, then be confused. Also, many of them seemed to feel obligated to comment on the greeting, politically or personally. It was a pain.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:36:06pm |
Newt - the issue isn't whether your positions changed with pay, but that you tried to change others' positions, and were paid for that.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:36:17pm |
re: #144 EmmmieG
No, the things stuck to her eyelids are an inch and half long.
Her eyelashes are undoubtedly a normal length.
Seriously, if all women had makeup artists we'd fit the ideal. GAH
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:36:19pm |
re: #151 Major Tom
and many girdles.
I would bet every last one of them is wearing some kind of "reinforcement."
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:36:28pm |
Neil Cavuto! Gloop Gloop Gloop Bullshit Finance Advice Gloop
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Petero1818 Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:36:38pm |
Apparently Fox News does not want Newt to be the nominee
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:36:55pm |
re: #141 krypto
Yawn. None of them should be President.
And the best part is (crossed fingers), none of them will be.
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God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:37:08pm |
re: #157 Petero1818
Apparently Fox News does not want Newt to be the nominee
No, they'd much prefer David Duke.
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jaunte Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:37:11pm |
Gingrich adds to his Reagan count.
Image: shiningreaganonahill.jpg
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freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:37:24pm |
re: #157 Petero1818
Apparently Fox News does not want Newt to be the nominee
Or, they do, and they are just making sure he has the most camera time.
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Major Tom Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:37:54pm |
Ever Positive Newt... when he is not talking about the apocalypse.
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Petero1818 Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:38:27pm |
re: #163 freetoken
Or, they do, and they are just making sure he has the most camera time.
Well that is not going to work because he is getting hammered, and he is not doing himself any favors
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:38:39pm |
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God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:38:54pm |
I haven't heard "This is the most important election in our history," yet.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:38:59pm |
Ron paul looks weird and pointy
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:39:16pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:39:16pm |
re: #160 aagcobb
Newt is the pinata tonight.
They turn on whoever's perceived to be the front-runner. They've been doing this all along. It's like watching a pack of hyenas run for president.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:39:52pm |
Looks like Ron Paul is wearing a metallic undershirt.
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engineer cat Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:39:54pm |
62 trillion dollars
i can't listen to these lies
i'm getting plenty tired of this 'unfunded liabilities' horseshit
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Interesting Times Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:40:03pm |
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God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:40:13pm |
There's that bear claw of Paul's that I love!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:40:53pm |
I have the sound turned off. There are limits.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:41:23pm |
re: #114 Kid A
Also, at the grocery store the other day, the clerk (as she was instructed to do) said "Happy Holidays!" to the guy in front of me as he left. He yelled at her "MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!" and walked out. Strange...
JESUS SAYS FUCK YOU LADY!!! GOD BLESS US FUCK EVERY ONE FUCK
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engineer cat Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:41:33pm |
re: #157 Petero1818
Apparently Fox News does not want Newt to be the nominee
the base is discovering that no actual person in the united states is ideologically acceptable to them
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jaunte Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:42:27pm |
I bet Perry's voice coach told him to speed up.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:42:54pm |
rick perry's dumb face is the dumbest face
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Major Tom Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:43:00pm |
Circular firing squad... even after Newt's peace offering.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:43:05pm |
Rick Perry is trying to stay on the topics he was told to stay on.
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engineer cat Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:43:09pm |
the only acceptable gop candidate will be a frankenreagan made up of pomaded hair and discarded visigoth parts
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Linden Arden Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:43:18pm |
I like the shit-eating grin Rick Perry gets when he thinks he hit a bloop double.
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Major Tom Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:43:20pm |
It will be increasingly difficult for Newt to stay positive.
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God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:43:22pm |
Perry, if you think this "part-time congress" is going to get you elected, you're dumber than I thought.
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Jerk Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:43:29pm |
Why are they not bringing up Romney's unlicenced hot dog vending?
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bratwurst Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:43:51pm |
Didn't Rick Perry promise that he was going to skip some of these debates?
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Mocking Jay Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:43:55pm |
Since when does the President get to dictate Congressional rules, anyway?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:44:28pm |
He's right. They do do 140 days every other year.
One year someone found a technicality that had not be observed and killed off lots of bills with no time to re-launch them.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:44:37pm |
re: #190 JasonA
Since when does the President get to dictate Congressional rules, anyway?
Well, they all think Obama is some kind of dictator.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:44:38pm |
Huntsman kinda reminds me of Don Knotts for some reason
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:44:46pm |
re: #190 JasonA
Since when does the President get to dictate Congressional rules, anyway?
In this country?
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:44:55pm |
re: #190 JasonA
Since when does the President get to dictate Congressional rules, anyway?
He'll do it by declaring an amendment to the constitution.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:45:31pm |
Huntsman sounds way too Presidential for this crowd.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:45:35pm |
Zero applause for Huntsman. Must feel lonely up there.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:45:38pm |
Santorum's taking risks with the stripey tie.
| 199 |
SpaceJesus Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:45:43pm |
Cavuto, that whole ensemble of yours is terrible. Who dresses you?
| 200 |
jaunte Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:45:48pm |
re: #190 JasonA
Since when does the President get to dictate Congressional rules, anyway?
They love the Constitution enough to know which parts they want to change.
| 201 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:45:58pm |
Santorum, that suit is wearing you
| 202 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:45:59pm |
re: #193 SpaceJesus
Huntsman kinda reminds me of Don Knotts for some reason
| 203 |
Major Tom Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:46:08pm |
If the American People are crazy enough to elect Paul, why wouldn't they be crazy enough to give him a republican congress?
| 204 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:46:21pm |
re: #199 SpaceJesus
Cavuto, that whole ensemble of yours is terrible. Who dresses you?
His oompa-loompas
| 205 |
Amory Blaine Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:46:49pm |
I will repeal and then......I will repeal some more!
| 206 |
sod Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:47:01pm |
They're all looking great and sounding even better! Go GOP!!!
| 207 |
freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:47:05pm |
Someone should tell Santorum that among those top 9 trading partners, most of them have higher income taxes/other taxes than the US.
| 208 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:47:27pm |
Didn't money start going into Solyndra under Bush?
| 209 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:48:11pm |
No, Romney, the consumer will decide where these jobs will come from when they actually have money to spend. No matter who is president in two years, unemployment is not coming down below 8.5% any time soon. The middle class is up to their eyeballs in debt. Period.
| 210 |
krypto Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:48:11pm |
Every single "ObamaCare" regulation repealed? People with even minor pre-existing conditions won't be able to get insurance again. Insurance companies can rescind policies of people when they get lifetime illnesses again. Kids with some chronic illness will reach 18 and be left unable even to buy insurance even if they have the money.
Do these idiots have any idea what they're proposing?
| 211 |
Achilles Tang Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:48:12pm |
re: #190 JasonA
Since when does the President get to dictate Congressional rules, anyway?
Dunno, perhaps it was a decision by the 8, unelected, Supreme Court justices?
| 214 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:48:48pm |
re: #208 JasonA
Didn't money start going into Solyndra under Bush?
Before Bush left off office, his administration decided not to give them the money they wanted.
| 215 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:49:11pm |
Romney: "Our president thinks America is in decline." I must have missed where Obama ever said anything like that.
| 216 |
jaunte Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:49:13pm |
For Romney, on picking winners:
Federal Energy Incentives (1950-2010)
The federal government has provided an estimated $837 billion for energy development since 1950, according to a recent report. That includes money for tax concessions, for research and development, and the value of regulations (such as exemptions from price controls).[Link: www.npr.org...]
| 219 |
Linden Arden Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:49:21pm |
Which one of these dickheads wanted to abolish the 9th circuit?
ooppps! think i just heard
| 224 |
bratwurst Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:49:47pm |
Biggest response from the crowd so far is Newt proposing to take it to those activist judges!
| 225 |
Amory Blaine Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:49:56pm |
Newt also appears in Arkham City. He attacks you by flinging poo.
| 226 |
Achilles Tang Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:49:58pm |
re: #210 krypto
Every single ObamaCare regulation repealed? People with even minor pre-existing conditions won't be able to get insurance again. Insurance companies can rescind policies of people when they get lifetime illnesses again. Kids with some chronic illness will reach 18 and be left unable even to buy insurance even if they have the money.
Do these idiots have any idea what they're proposing?
Ron Paul!!
| 227 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:50:00pm |
Wow. Mention God, and the entire place goes batshit crazy with applause, I'm shocked.
//
| 228 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:50:01pm |
re: #214 Kid A
Before Bush left off office, his administration decided not to give them the money they wanted.
Fair enough.
| 229 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:50:25pm |
| 232 |
SpaceJesus Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:50:44pm |
The federalist papers insured that the courts would act as the screen between the majority and the individual. Have you studied Hamilton, you fascist shit can?
| 233 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:51:01pm |
re: #229 Kid A
It took fifty minutes, surprisingly.
they're building to the tent revival crescendo
come to the stage and be healed by the magic people!
| 234 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:51:05pm |
I have to admit to sort of liking that Newt actually seems to realize that US history doesn't just consist of patriotic vignettes.
| 236 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:51:42pm |
Who was longer fake eyelashes--Ms. Kelly or Mrs. Bachmann?
| 237 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:51:43pm |
can we just fast forward to the Obama landslide? :D
| 238 |
prairiefire Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:51:52pm |
Pipe dreams! Just abolish the 9th circuit!
| 239 |
DREd Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:51:55pm |
I get the sense that none of these idiots have ever read the constitution
| 240 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:52:07pm |
re: #237 WindUpBird
can we just fast forward to the Obama landslide? :D
No. We must suffer this first.
| 241 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:52:10pm |
Oh, I see what Bachmann's makeup people are trying to do.
I love her suit. I want her suit. In my size, of course.
| 245 |
Achilles Tang Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:52:43pm |
re: #214 Kid A
Before Bush left off office, his administration decided not to give them the money they wanted.
Are you sure? I thought the evaluation process started with Bush, not that they rejected the application.
| 246 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:52:46pm |
re: #241 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, I see what Bachmann's makeup people are trying to do.
I love her suit. I want her suit. In my size, of course.
Should have had the shoulders tailored, though.
| 248 |
Amory Blaine Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:52:52pm |
| 250 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:52:54pm |
| 251 |
prairiefire Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:52:56pm |
re: #241 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, I see what Bachmann's makeup people are trying to do.
I love her suit. I want her suit. In my size, of course.
I'm too messy of an eater for all off white.
| 252 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:53:31pm |
re: #246 SanFranciscoZionist
[Link: lightsensitive.typepad.com...]
| 253 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:53:38pm |
re: #245 Naso Tang
Are you sure? I thought the evaluation process started with Bush, not that they rejected the application.
The evaluation process did start with W, but to TBOMK, they did not give them the money.
| 254 |
Jerk Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:53:45pm |
Crazy Ron... seems less crazy. Don't let that fool you, though.
| 256 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:54:08pm |
Tonight, the Republican candidates mounted an all-out attack on the Supreme Court, because that's how much they love the US Constitution.
| 258 |
freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:54:13pm |
It's a sad day when Paul makes the most sense on that stage.
| 259 |
aagcobb Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:54:18pm |
re: #254 Jerk
Crazy Ron... seems less crazy. Don't let that fool you, though.
Tells you something about the rest that Paul sounds sane in comparison.
| 261 |
Interesting Times Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:54:27pm |
re: #244 Kid A
GAY MARRIAGE!!!
Funny you should mention that...
Gay marriage 'improves health'
The number of visits by gay men to health clinics dropped significantly after same-sex unions were allowed in the state Massachusetts.
...
They found a 13% drop in healthcare visits after the law was enacted.There was a reduction in blood pressure problems, depression and "adjustment disorders", which the authors claimed could be the result of reduced stress.
| 262 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:54:45pm |
I no longer hear the debate.
The Princess has decided to practice piano.
Romney is now a Sonatina.
| 263 |
Achilles Tang Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:55:02pm |
re: #253 Kid A
The evaluation process did start with W, but to TBOMK, they did not give them the money.
Who is TBOMK? (I don't twit)
| 264 |
goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:55:06pm |
Turned of a while ago, too painful. I can't watch this shit without violating NOAA regulations and activating my emergency SAR personal locator beacon.
Has Gingrich revisited his assertion that Congress can simply pass laws containing language making them exempt from Supreme Court review?
| 265 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:55:27pm |
| 266 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:55:32pm |
re: #262 EmmmieG
I no longer hear the debate.
The Princess has decided to practice piano.
Romney is now a Sonatina.
Claire da Loon
| 267 |
Major Tom Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:55:45pm |
We the people... We the Multi-national people.
| 269 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:56:12pm |
re: #262 EmmmieG
I no longer hear the debate.
The Princess has decided to practice piano.
Romney is now a Sonatina.
first piano, later...MOOG MODULAR!
| 270 |
Amory Blaine Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:56:14pm |
re: #262 EmmmieG
I no longer hear the debate.
The Princess has decided to practice piano.
Romney is now a Sonatina.
My son is playing l4d behind me. The screaming and zombie moans go good with the debate.
| 272 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:56:28pm |
re: #267 Major Tom
We the people incorporated in the State of Delaware...
| 273 |
bratwurst Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:56:30pm |
When it comes to hating gays, Rick Santorum takes a back seat to no candidate!
| 274 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:56:33pm |
re: #263 Naso Tang
Who is TBOMK? (I don't twit)
to the best of my knowledge. This is from wikipedia, so, well you know...
On January 9, 2009, the Department of Energy's credit committee decided unanimously that although the project "appears to have merit, there are several areas where the information presented did not thoroughly support a finding that the project is ready to be approved at this time." The committee "without prejudice" remanded the project "for further development of information."[12
| 275 |
Petero1818 Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:56:38pm |
Do you think anyone will name God as their favorite Judge?
| 276 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:56:48pm |
re: #256 Charles
Tonight, the Republican candidates mounted an all-out attack on the Supreme Court, because that's how much they love the US Constitution.
Charles, Charles... They love it so much that they have to save it from those eeevul unelected, appointed-for-life activist judges. Because they know the Constitution better than the Founding Fathers did.
| 278 |
Amory Blaine Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:57:27pm |
| 279 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:57:53pm |
I keep wonder why someone who loves the founding fathers so much wants to re-write the constitution.
| 280 |
Achilles Tang Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:58:17pm |
re: #265 thedopefishlives
To the Best Of My Knowledge.
That would be TTBOMK. And, TTBOMK, the application evaluation was not completed under Bush which is not the same as saying, or suggesting, that it was rejected.
| 281 |
Major Tom Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:58:26pm |
re: #279 EmmmieG
Or hates government, but worships a document that makes government...
| 283 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:58:49pm |
And now we'll find out how the candidates plan on bombing Iran...
| 286 |
jaunte Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:59:16pm |
@sarahposner
Part-time Congress, jurisdiction-stripping, impeaching judges on political grounds: what a crew.
| 288 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:59:36pm |
| 289 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:59:55pm |
| 290 |
SpaceJesus Thu, Dec 15, 2011 6:59:56pm |
this entire thing is clown shoes. im gonna go make space pasta.
| 291 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:00:03pm |
Did they get these wonks from Gillette Cavalcade of Sports?
| 292 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:00:09pm |
Wow. That last segment was a perfect example of why none of these people deserve to get anywhere close to the presidency.
| 293 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:00:22pm |
re: #290 SpaceJesus
this entire thing is clown shoes. im gonna go make space pasta.
and he's out
BROOKLYN! :D
| 295 |
krypto Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:00:48pm |
Social issues next? Will we get another memorable GOP audience response on that topic? (Cheering for exploiting child labor, applauding executing people innocent or not, yelling "yes" to should we let a sick person with no insurance die, patriotically booing a soldier in a war zone??)
| 296 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:00:59pm |
re: #292 Charles
Wow. That last segment was a perfect example of why none of these people deserve to get anywhere close to the presidency.
And yet, I'm betting a bunch of the audience applauded. Sigh. Why do people have to embrace teh stupid.
| 297 |
Alexzander Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:01:27pm |
These commentators are @#)%ing hilarious for some reason.
| 298 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:02:05pm |
re: #296 thedopefishlives
And yet, I'm betting a bunch of the audience applauded. Sigh. Why do people have to embrace teh stupid.
they're the studio audience on a fox news debate. They'd applaud roadkill
| 299 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:02:14pm |
re: #297 Alexzander
These commentators are @#)%ing hilarious for some reason.
I wouldn't know. The Sonatina continues.
| 300 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:02:57pm |
re: #248 Amory Blaine
Kelly for sure
They're trying to offset that odd mad stare that Bachmann often seems to have with the very dark makeup. It sort of works.
| 301 |
Major Tom Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:03:07pm |
Ron Paul is less than one year away from getting a nuclear weapon...
| 302 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:03:34pm |
Has Europe made an appearance in any foreign policy questions in these dozen or so debates we've suffered through?
| 303 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:04:26pm |
Ron, you're right, Iran is no closer to getting a nuclear weapon than they were in "203."
| 304 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:05:03pm |
Of course, they weren't Iran then.
| 305 |
Linden Arden Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:05:03pm |
Ron Paul losing the war-mongering Bolton fan vote.
| 306 |
aagcobb Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:05:13pm |
Paul is making sense again. Now the others will beat their chests and hoot.
| 307 |
Achilles Tang Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:05:21pm |
re: #302 JasonA
Has Europe made an appearance in any foreign policy questions in these dozen or so debates we've suffered through?
Not enough Muslims there, only atheists so far.
| 308 |
recusancy Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:05:29pm |
re: #302 JasonA
Has Europe made an appearance in any foreign policy questions in these dozen or so debates we've suffered through?
Yeah. Romney basically said fuck em.
| 309 |
Petero1818 Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:05:33pm |
Did you see how Bachmann was looking at Paul?
| 310 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:05:42pm |
Paul almost sounds like he wants Iran to have a nuclear weapon...
| 311 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:05:48pm |
re: #305 Linden Arden
Ron Paul losing the war-mongering Bolton fan vote.
Say what you want about Paul, he's right about our foreign policy being so fucked up.
| 312 |
Alexzander Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:06:07pm |
| 313 |
jaunte Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:06:29pm |
@JShahryar
Bret Baier: "Many MidEast experts saying Iran is one year away from getting nukes." NAMES PLEASE...
| 314 |
DREd Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:06:30pm |
Jesus Christ, Dobby is the sanest one on that stage.
| 316 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:06:46pm |
re: #314 DREd
Jesus Christ, Dobby is the sanest one on that stage.
He's defending Obama. This is funny.
| 317 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:06:57pm |
Ron Paul is simply expressing the new, left-wing friendly isolationism of the bad old far right.
| 318 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:07:02pm |
Paul just complimented Obama. Make that two candidates tonight whose campaigns went up in flames.
| 319 |
Achilles Tang Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:07:05pm |
re: #311 Kid A
Say what you want about Paul, he's right about our foreign policy being so fucked up.
We could solve everything if we just aligned with Russia and China.
| 320 |
Alexzander Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:07:23pm |
re: #311 Kid A
Say what you want about Paul, he's right about our foreign policy being so fucked up.
It appears so fucked up because the general public is not privy to the real motivations for our military bases and geopolitical strategy in general.
| 321 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:07:33pm |
And now that Paul's out of the way we can hear who promises to drop the biggest bomb...
| 323 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:08:18pm |
Still, it would be nice if we could finally bring the troops home from Germany...
| 324 |
freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:08:22pm |
Imagine this group worried about a "radical theocracy".
Heh.
| 325 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:08:35pm |
THEY HATE US BECAUSE OF OUR FREEDOM!!!
| 326 |
engineer cat Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:09:03pm |
re: #210 krypto
Every single "ObamaCare" regulation repealed? People with even minor pre-existing conditions won't be able to get insurance again. Insurance companies can rescind policies of people when they get lifetime illnesses again. Kids with some chronic illness will reach 18 and be left unable even to buy insurance even if they have the money.
Do these idiots have any idea what they're proposing?
definitely not
| 329 |
Linden Arden Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:09:54pm |
Iran went all blood-thirsty by finding a downed drone.
| 330 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:09:55pm |
Mitt, that "pretty please" comment was utter rubbish.
| 331 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:10:11pm |
| 332 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:10:54pm |
re: #279 EmmmieG
I keep wonder why someone who loves the founding fathers so much wants to re-write the constitution.
Emulating them?
| 333 |
aagcobb Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:10:57pm |
Spending as much money on defense as the rest of the world combined is not enough!
| 335 |
engineer cat Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:11:16pm |
re: #215 Charles
Romney: "Our president thinks America is in decline." I must have missed where Obama ever said anything like that.
playing smart person is too hard if you can't make things up
| 337 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:11:57pm |
The Romney family should provide some of those new troops.
| 340 |
Jerk Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:12:14pm |
Can't wait for Obama to debate one of these jokers. Now that will be something to watch.
| 342 |
freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:12:32pm |
re: #339 aagcobb
Bachmann wants neverending war in Iraq.
Very bloodthirsty crowd (except for the Paul-bots.)
| 343 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:12:40pm |
WORLDWIDE CALIPHATE!!! AIIIEEEEE!!!
///
| 348 |
Alexzander Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:13:25pm |
Ron Paul is the voice of reason and the world is upside down.
| 350 |
Petero1818 Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:13:38pm |
Now he has done it. Paul will never be a spokesman for Lowes...
| 351 |
freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:13:42pm |
re: #345 Major Tom
Paul making sense again.
The GOP is in real deep trouble, given that I think you are on point.
| 352 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:13:47pm |
And now Paul sounds like a drunk uncle at Thanksgiving.
| 353 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:13:54pm |
Excellent crazy uncle rant from Ron Paul. Bravo.
| 354 |
krypto Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:14:52pm |
Ron Paul's don't-bomb isolationism is completely out of phase with the most of the GOP base. Those must be Paulian infiltrators and spammers who are applauding him.
| 355 |
DREd Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:14:53pm |
Greatest under reaction in world history-not invading Iran. These people live in a fantasy world.
| 357 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:14:56pm |
I think Ron had four shots of Jack during the commercial break.
| 358 |
aagcobb Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:14:57pm |
Bachmann would give us a crazy woman with nukes
| 359 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:14:59pm |
One of them is making something up.
| 361 |
freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:15:17pm |
| 362 |
freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:15:34pm |
| 364 |
jaunte Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:16:00pm |
@sarahposner
I'm guessing most of Bachmann's talking points here came from Jerusalem Countdown and the Book of Ezekiel
| 366 |
Petero1818 Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:16:06pm |
Classic, as President she stands on the side of peace.
| 367 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:16:10pm |
AS PRESIDENT I WILL INSTRUCT YOU ALL TO HIDE UNDER THE BED UNTIL I TURN THE MIDDLE EAST INTO A PARKING LOT!
| 368 |
bratwurst Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:16:11pm |
"Liberal with the friendly ding"? This is certainly not the right crowd for that!
| 369 |
Major Tom Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:16:34pm |
Paul has gotten a surprising amount of face time. The Paulbots should be very satisfied for once.
| 370 |
Petero1818 Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:16:58pm |
re: #369 Major Tom
Paul has gotten a surprising amount of face time. The Paulbots should be very satisfied for once.
He runs strong in Iowa.
| 371 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:17:00pm |
re: #369 Major Tom
Paul has gotten a surprising amount of face time. The Paulbots should be very satisfied for once.
Never. Ever.
| 372 |
recusancy Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:17:07pm |
re: #369 Major Tom
Paul has gotten a surprising amount of face time. The Paulbots should be very satisfied for once.
Cause he's running second and third in polls.
| 373 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:17:32pm |
I was watching a "Bones" rerun. Did I miss something important?
| 375 |
Alexzander Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:17:51pm |
re: #369 Major Tom
Paul has gotten a surprising amount of face time. The Paulbots should be very satisfied for once.
He is polling first, second or third in Iowa so it makes sense. Plus there was probably some hope one of these barbs would have taken him down. I wonder if the GOP is seriously sweating it or if they are fairly certain he will slip after a couple states.
| 377 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:18:57pm |
re: #373 Alouette
I was watching a "Bones" rerun. Did I miss something important?
Perry wants to dictate how the other two branches of government are run.
That was interesting.
| 382 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:20:14pm |
Perry shouldn't be elected dog catcher.
| 383 |
freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:20:23pm |
Rick - the US has several Allies in that region, including NATO member Turkey, which just happens to share a long border with Syria.
I suspect geography was not his strong suit.
| 385 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:21:18pm |
| 390 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:22:47pm |
Newt was pure music, but the lyrics didn't scan.
| 391 |
Meitantei Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:23:32pm |
Well, I finished a good few rounds of Tf2. What'd I miss?
| 392 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:23:33pm |
le sigh, christian prosletyzers at the door won't take no for an answer
BLAH BLAH GO AWAY NOW, THANK YOU
| 394 |
jaunte Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:23:51pm |
We could just sit here and wait for the Siberian methane to come here by air.
| 395 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:24:00pm |
re: #390 Decatur Deb
Newt was pure music, but the lyrics didn't scan.
*strums guitar* "What are these strings for?" -Steven Wright
| 396 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:24:07pm |
Huntsman has seen Chinese industrial cities.
| 397 |
Alexzander Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:24:10pm |
The tar sands are the (large) straw that will break the environment's back.
| 398 |
freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:24:22pm |
Alberta tar products would be imports.
Yes, really, Alberta is not part of the US.
| 399 |
Major Tom Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:24:56pm |
re: #398 freetoken
technicality to this crowd. North America = USA
| 400 |
recusancy Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:25:06pm |
So far Huntsman has called America weak and stupid.
| 401 |
Buck Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:25:20pm |
re: #398 freetoken
Alberta tar products would be imports.
Yes, really, Alberta is not part of the US.
But from a country who imports from you and doesn't use oil as a weapon against you.
| 402 |
freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:25:35pm |
re: #399 Major Tom
technicality to this crowd. North America = USA
Incorrect. Only English speakers in North America is the USA.
| 403 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:25:55pm |
re: #398 freetoken
Alberta tar products would be imports.
Yes, really, Alberta is not part of the US.
Smarty pants liberal!!!
| 404 |
freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:26:12pm |
re: #401 Buck
But from a country who imports from you and doesn't use oil as a weapon against you.
And the threat just posed that Canada would send "the pipeline west" isn't an economic threat?
| 406 |
Buck Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:26:50pm |
re: #402 freetoken
Incorrect. Only English speakers in North America is the USA.
Well, Canadian English counts...
| 407 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:27:06pm |
Buck just made it in. This is going to be interesting.
| 408 |
freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:27:15pm |
| 409 |
Major Tom Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:27:26pm |
besides... Manifest Destiny... Really it's the whole Western Hemisphere...
| 411 |
Petero1818 Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:27:51pm |
re: #404 freetoken
And the threat just posed that Canada would send "the pipeline west" isn't an economic threat?
No it wasn't. Canada needs a market. They offered it to the US first. If the US is not interested they need to find other markets. China is the logical one. Not a threat. We have oil. We want to sell it. We would rather sell it to you. You dont want it we have to sell it elsewhere.
| 412 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:27:52pm |
re: #404 freetoken
And the threat just posed that Canada would send "the pipeline west" isn't an economic threat?
54'40" or Fight!
| 413 |
Ojoe Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:28:27pm |
The GOP could have one debate for each level of Dante's hell, 9 levels in all, starting with blowing around in a circle in the air, and progressing variously through things like a black gooey mire, and finally ending up in a frozen lake.
| 414 |
Meitantei Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:28:30pm |
Because I'm bored watching this:
"If insanity is sure to result in victory, then you must obstruct! Sarah Palin said that, and I'd say she knows a little more about it than you do pal, because she invented it and then she perfected it so that no news anchor could best her in the ring of honor!
Then she used her speaking money to buy two of every Congressmen on earth! And then she herded them onto a boat, and then she beat the crap out of every single one!
And from that day forward any time a bunch of politicians are together in one place it's called a zoo!
Unless it's Congress!"
| 415 |
Buck Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:28:46pm |
re: #404 freetoken
And the threat just posed that Canada would send "the pipeline west" isn't an economic threat?
IF YOU DON"T BUY THIS OIL... it will still be pumped, and just sent west.
It isn't an economic threat. You are given first dibs. If you don't want the economic boost, you don't have to.
No one is saying that Canada will stop selling oil to the US if they don't take the pipeline.... That would be a threat.
| 416 |
krypto Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:28:54pm |
The good part about this debate is (I am told) that it pre-empted Hannity and shut him down for once.
| 417 |
b_sharp Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:31:12pm |
re: #411 Petero1818
No it wasn't. Canada needs a market. They offered it to the US first. If the US is not interested they need to find other markets. China is the logical one. Not a threat. We have oil. We want to sell it. We would rather sell it to you. You dont want it we have to sell it elsewhere.
It also allows us to prove we can damage the environment with the worst best of them.
| 418 |
Petero1818 Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:31:42pm |
re: #416 krypto
The good part about this debate is (I am told) that it pre-empted Hannity and shut him down for once.
Yes instead of one right wing gasbag We have a dozen. I fail to see the victory.
| 419 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:32:47pm |
Not a black face in the crowd. I'm shocked.
//
| 421 |
Petero1818 Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:33:16pm |
re: #417 b_sharp
It also allows us to prove we can damage the environment with the
worstbest of them.
The oil sands are a difficult issue for the environment. However new methods that are starting to be employed are far less destructive. I am hopeful that we have turned the corner and things will get better.
| 423 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:34:26pm |
re: #373 Alouette
I was watching a "Bones" rerun. Did I miss something important?
No. Just the sorriest-looking Republican line-up in living memory.
| 424 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:34:32pm |
Fake outrage! Fast and Furious! Holder must resign!
| 427 |
b_sharp Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:35:01pm |
re: #421 Petero1818
The oil sands are a difficult issue for the environment. However new methods that are starting to be employed are far less destructive. I am hopeful that we have turned the corner and things will get better.
New methods of recovery or refining? The refining is as destructive, although in a different way, as the recovery.
| 428 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:36:12pm |
Oh shit, I'm getting a bunch of hits to my blog from the hate site Libertypost. They linked this article. OK I admit this article does not make Jews look good, but I just put the comments on approval instead of open posting.
| 429 |
Buck Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:36:39pm |
re: #427 b_sharp
New methods of recovery or refining? The refining is as destructive, although in a different way, as the recovery.
The refining is going to happen either way. The refineries will just continue to use conflict oil.
| 430 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:36:51pm |
re: #425 jaunte
Anchor terror babies coming right up!
Cultural rot! The entire image of a Christian nation by our Founders, demolished by American-hating, Reverend Wright worshiping liberals!!!
///
| 431 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:37:23pm |
| 432 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:37:29pm |
Mitt Romney outlines the GOP's plan for a permanent under-class of non-citizen workers.
| 433 |
jaunte Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:37:39pm |
These people have no idea who's cutting their yards.
| 434 |
Petero1818 Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:37:44pm |
re: #427 b_sharp
New methods of recovery or refining? The refining is as destructive, although in a different way, as the recovery.
I was thinking more of the extraction models.
| 435 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:38:43pm |
Not a peep on the health care law.
| 436 |
jaunte Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:39:08pm |
"Getting control of legality in the US" is not all about Spanish speaking people.
| 437 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:39:22pm |
Look at all that Presidential Hair.
| 438 |
freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:39:50pm |
Um, Jon... Newt, Ron, Michelle, Rick - they are being who they are.
| 439 |
krypto Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:40:26pm |
| 441 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:40:54pm |
| 442 |
Major Tom Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:41:06pm |
Wallace said if Paul wins Iowa it essentially wouldn't count...
| 443 |
Kragar Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:41:11pm |
re: #432 Charles
Mitt Romney outlines the GOP's plan for a permanent under-class of non-citizen workers.
China has a slave labor base, and we can too!
| 444 |
b_sharp Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:42:00pm |
re: #429 Buck
The refining is going to happen either way. The refineries will just continue to use conflict oil.
That's the point Buck, the refining should be phased out in favour of alternate sources. The choice between 'conflict' oil and 'ethical' oil is both a false dichotomy and a red herring.
As the available oil gets harder to access, not only costs for energy will skyrocket, but so will costs for all kinds of synthetics.
| 445 |
Jerk Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:42:13pm |
Not good enough, Romney. You have to come out of the womb with your values and hold onto them forever.
| 446 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:42:15pm |
I'm going to die laughing if any of these Reagan worshipers say that Reagan was always pro-life.
| 447 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:42:28pm |
Romney: "With regards to abortion, I changed my mind."
| 448 |
Alexzander Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:42:29pm |
re: #442 Major Tom
Wallace said if Paul wins Iowa it essentially wouldn't count...
Such an insult to Iowa.
| 449 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:42:55pm |
re: #447 Charles
Romney: "With regards to abortion, I changed my mind."
Yeah yeah, but he's been consistent since he changed his mind!
| 450 |
Kragar Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:43:15pm |
re: #447 Charles
Romney: "With regards to abortion, I changed my mind."
Fair enough, with regards to Romney, I've changed my mind from 2008 as well.
| 451 |
HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:43:45pm |
re: #449 JasonA
Yeah yeah, but he's been consistent since he changed his mind!
As I said, he's consistently inconsistent. In opposite land, he'd make a great candidate.
| 452 |
jaunte Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:43:46pm |
"I don't understand what discrimination means, Chris."
| 453 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:44:03pm |
re: #447 Charles
Romney: "With regards to abortion, I changed my mind."
"After looking at the polls, I decided it was politically expedient for me to have a conference call with my advisors and make a slight alteration to my position."
| 454 |
b_sharp Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:44:15pm |
re: #434 Petero1818
I was thinking more of the extraction models.
Right now making the landscape look like a war zone is secondary to the addition of CO2 to the atmosphere.
AGW is going to cost a huge pile of money and energy to recover from.
| 455 |
Petero1818 Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:45:17pm |
re: #444 b_sharp
That's the point Buck, the refining should be phased out in favour of alternate sources. The choice between 'conflict' oil and 'ethical' oil is both a false dichotomy and a red herring.
As the available oil gets harder to access, not only costs for energy will skyrocket, but so will costs for all kinds of synthetics.
The choice between conflict or ethical oil is not a red herring at all. It is not a choice that is made in reference to the environment. There are other issues that are relevant as well. So while it has no bearing on the environmental issues, it has grave consequences outside of the environmental bubble.
| 456 |
Kragar Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:45:24pm |
re: #454 b_sharp
Right now making the landscape look like a war zone is secondary to the addition of CO2 to the atmosphere.
AGW is going to cost a huge pile of money and energy to recover from.
"Who cares about Global Warming? I'm freezing!"
-Paraphrasing a GOP denier from earlier today
| 457 |
Major Tom Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:45:28pm |
Santorum has a track record. He punched a gay guy just the other day.
| 458 |
Jerk Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:45:45pm |
He had a non-discrimination policy in his office. Isn't that the law or something?
| 459 |
jaunte Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:46:14pm |
@sarahposner
One more thing for the GOP reading list: the dictionary definition of the word "discrimination."
| 460 |
Kragar Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:46:38pm |
re: #458 Jerk
He had a non-discrimination policy in his office. Isn't that the law or something?
Fucking government regulations.
/
| 461 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:46:40pm |
Romney is now firmly establishing his anti-gay rights credentails.
| 462 |
HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:46:54pm |
Best analogy I can think of with Romney is the kid in school who wants to be so cool that he changes his mind on things that are in because he so wants to fit into crowds he'll never fit in.
| 463 |
Petero1818 Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:47:01pm |
re: #458 Jerk
He had a non-discrimination policy in his office. Isn't that the law or something?
Yes but it stands in contradiction to everyone else on the stage.
| 464 |
Major Tom Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:47:02pm |
Are they going to debate the moment of conception?
| 465 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:47:28pm |
re: #464 Major Tom
Are they going to debate the moment of conception?
Life begins at high school graduation.
| 467 |
HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:48:42pm |
re: #461 Charles
Romney is now firmly establishing his anti-gay rights credentails.
You've come a long way baby Mitty. Devolution at its worst where instead of evolving on gay rights in the GOP, it's fashionable to devolve on the issue.
| 468 |
Meitantei Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:48:43pm |
Unless that guy committed a crime. Then you shoot him.
| 469 |
Kragar Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:48:46pm |
re: #464 Major Tom
Are they going to debate the moment of conception?
Life is a precious and wonderful thing, until you're born, and then you become a burden on society if you don't love Jesus enough to be successful.
| 471 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:49:39pm |
| 472 |
jaunte Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:49:45pm |
They're going to bring back the old concept of a woman's "confinement."
| 473 |
freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:49:47pm |
| 474 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:50:38pm |
| 477 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:51:06pm |
re: #443 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
China has a slave labor base, and we can too!
Flash! GOP in sustained power? Ya, we will compete with China. Business gotta make $$$
| 479 |
b_sharp Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:51:07pm |
re: #455 Petero1818
The choice between conflict or ethical oil is not a red herring at all. It is not a choice that is made in reference to the environment. There are other issues that are relevant as well. So while it has no bearing on the environmental issues, it has grave consequences outside of the environmental bubble.
I think you're giving the consequences inappropriate weightings. Aside from the use by the right of the 'ethical' oil meme as an argument against the left, the consequence of financing potentially dangerous regimes, while important in the short run, pales when compared to the problems we will face because of the unrestricted use of fossil fuels.
| 480 |
freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:51:13pm |
| 481 |
God of Binders with Women Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:51:22pm |
| 482 |
Alexzander Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:51:26pm |
re: #476 EmmmieG
What happened?
Must have been more disruptive in person than for us viewing through a screen.
| 484 |
Kragar Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:51:29pm |
So if life begins at conception, should we lock up women who drink and smoke while pregnant for contributing to the delinquency of a minor? If they had sex while pregnant, would it be pedophilia?
| 485 |
jaunte Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:51:33pm |
"How much like Reagan can you be if you disrespect his commandment?"
| 486 |
HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:53:06pm |
re: #485 jaunte
I think it's hilarious how all these guys think they're the next Reagan. Reagan was an optimist. Not an oh my god we're fucked whiner type.
| 487 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:53:15pm |
The little Fox twitter meters show RP as the only guy who got to his audience.
| 488 |
b_sharp Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:53:32pm |
re: #485 jaunte
"How much like Reagan can you be if you disrespect his commandment?"
Which Reagan, the real one or the comic book graphic novel one?
| 489 |
The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:54:09pm |
re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist
I think Sun Tzu said "Oh, merciful Guan Yin, I need a drink. Turn this shit off."
Sun Tzu would Tivo these debates and use them as psychological weapons for siege warfare.
| 490 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:54:13pm |
My feed keeps getting messed up and I have to re-launch.
I still like the suit. It's the creamy color.
| 491 |
Petero1818 Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:54:16pm |
re: #479 b_sharp
I think you're giving the consequences inappropriate weightings. Aside from the use by the right of the 'ethical' oil meme as an argument against the left, the consequence of financing potentially dangerous regimes, while important in the short run, pales when compared to the problems we will face because of the unrestricted use of fossil fuels.
It has nothing to do with weighting the consequences. They are both relevant issues that have nothing to do with each other. We need to reduce sending money to regimes that don't share values, and we should be exploring less destructive means of powering our lives. Two totally different issues. Neither is a red herring.
| 492 |
HappyWarrior Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:54:25pm |
re: #488 b_sharp
Which Reagan, the real one or the
comic bookgraphic novel one?
The comic book version where he single handly tears down the Berlin Wall and uses a terrible pun.
| 493 |
Kragar Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:54:36pm |
Correct answer for the Reagan question:
"I don't want to be the next Reagan, I want to be the guy the next guy wants to be."
| 494 |
krypto Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:55:23pm |
Last four words of the debate: "Barack Obama, thank you."
| 495 |
Major Tom Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:55:25pm |
Yawn... now we wait for the polls, and Iowa.
| 498 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:56:49pm |
| 499 |
freetoken Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:57:24pm |
re: #498 JasonA
Looks like that's it until after Iowa.
Yup. After Jan 3 I believe there are two debates in NH before that primary.
| 500 |
Simply Sarah Thu, Dec 15, 2011 7:57:59pm |
re: #498 JasonA
Looks like that's it until after Iowa.
Wait, what? You mean they aren't having one Christmas Eve? And on New Years? I had expected at least 5 more before Iowa.
/
| 501 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 15, 2011 8:03:22pm |
| 502 |
b_sharp Thu, Dec 15, 2011 8:05:07pm |
re: #491 Petero1818
It has nothing to do with weighting the consequences. They are both relevant issues that have nothing to do with each other. We need to reduce sending money to regimes that don't share values, and we should be exploring less destructive means of powering our lives. Two totally different issues. Neither is a red herring.
Yet people like Ezra Levant use the ethical oil argument as a counter argument against the AGW activists. I'm hardly the first person to link the two.
It's that use of the point that I'm arguing against. It's also rather difficult to separate the development of the oil sands from the consequences of using that oil, so comparing the consequences of using the oil on the environment to the consequences of using oil from unfriendly regimes isn't unreasonable. Nor does comparing them preclude us from dealing with both situations.
| 503 |
Buck Thu, Dec 15, 2011 8:11:26pm |
re: #444 b_sharp
the refining should be phased out in favour of alternate sources.
And in the meanwhile? No one is saying that alternate sources shouldn't continue to be explored. However it would take more than 60 years to phase out all oil based products.
In the meanwhile, get the oil from a country that doesn't hate you, isn't harming women, gays and christians. Get the oil from a country that is already your largest trading partner. Get the oil from a country that is not supporting terror.
You are going to use the oil anyway. That is not changing in the short term. You can only change who you personally support while you do it.
| 504 |
Obdicut Fri, Dec 16, 2011 2:03:38am |
re: #503 Buck
You are going to use the oil anyway. That is not changing in the short term. You can only change who you personally support while you do it.
No, you can't, because oil is fungible. The Saudi's won't care one whit, not a single fucking bit, whether we buy our oil from Canada. It won't affect the price of Saudi oil at all. The only thing that'll do that is lowering our consumption of oil.
Which is what we need to do to prevent AGW anyway.
Are you still an AGW denier, by the way?
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