Breitbart Editor John Nolte Picks a Fight With the Muppets

Incredible density
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As if to illustrate just how incredibly dense some right wing bloggers can be, Andrew Breitbart’s editor-in-chief John Nolte picks a fight with … Kermit and Miss Piggy: Muppets Go Partisan: Kermit and Miss Piggy Trash Fox News.

It’s not really a fair fight.

The Fox News segment Kermit and Miss Piggy are responding to (in the video below) can be watched here, and you can see it’s a rather innocuous and perfectly valid discussion about the culture. As a response, and nearly a week after the segment aired, the Fox-hating entertainment media (which is all of them) viralized the clip, blew the controversy up into something it really wasn’t, and did so because they find it impossible to turn down an opportunity to prove they’re one of the minions in the club.

What effectively happened, though, is a week-old Fox Business segment was consequently amplified into the news narrative, which turned the new Muppet film into a political and partisan football. Only our wildly out-of-touch entertainment media minions would think this is a good thing, and as a consequence, a well-reviewed film that opened above expectations entered the divisive culture and political wars and didn’t do anywhere near as well at the box office as some had expected and hoped.

That, however, wasn’t the fault of the Muppets. That was the immature, clubby entertainment media. The video below, though, puts the Muppets themselves into this controversy, which will only further alienate a very large segment of their audience…

Brilliant.

Miss Piggy tries to back off it some: “If they take what I say seriously…” We get that it was a joke. But parents are careful to ensure that the humor emanating from children’s programming fits their values. Hope that doesn’t make us humorless and stuffy to the crowd currently waging a jihad against soda pop and Santa Claus.

Ah, the good old wingnut persecution complex, in full flower!

Nolte follows the usual Breitbart rule; he shamelessly distorts the truth about the Fox News fake outrage that led to this exchange, characterizing it as “innocuous and perfectly valid.”

In fact, it was a batshit crazy, typically paranoid show featuring Fox News’s resident racist, Eric Bolling, in a deranged rant about a secret plot by the Muppets to indoctrinate children to be socialists and hate capitalism.

Only a right wing tool like Nolte would ever describe this as “innocuous.”

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201 comments
1 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 10:49:54am

So, wingnuts are picking fights?
With muppets?
And losing?
Okely dokely.

2 Kragar  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 10:51:21am

My money is on the pig.

No, the funny one.

3 Lidane  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 10:51:52am

I’d try to come up with a witty comment, but I think I’ll leave it to the experts:

4 Gus  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 10:55:17am

Typical wingnut reflex. They carry on like vultures on a carcass on a daily basis including the ever derpy Fox News yet when two Muppet characters, ergo puppets, hit them back even in a comical manner they resort to playing the victim. “Woe is me for Kermit and Miss Piggy has picked on my beloved Fox News!”

5 sagehen  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 10:56:07am

Dare I hope that Jon Stewart will bring back the Muppet Michael Steele to cover this kerfluffle?

6 Funky_Gibbon  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 10:57:43am

Just how thin is their skin that they need to crush the Muppets for not agreeing with them?

7 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 10:58:10am

I really wouldn’t pick a fight with Miss Piggy.

She does not look like she fights fair, or accept defeat.

8 Funky_Gibbon  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 10:58:24am

re: #5 sagehen

I think that hope has a 100% chance of happening :D

9 Bulworth  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 10:58:56am
Hope that doesn’t make us humorless and stuffy to the crowd currently waging a jihad against soda pop and Santa Claus.

Miss Piggy and the Muppets are waging holy jihad against soda pop and the Christian Santa Claus?! //

10 DesertDenizen  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 10:59:12am

I love The Muppets, but picking fights with fictional characters? Can you be less serious than that? What next, are they going to try and debate Reed Richards on AGW?

12 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:00:53am

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

VA keeps shorter school year so as not to impact amusement park industry

We’re just cutting days because there’s no money in the budget.

13 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:01:49am

BREAKING NEWS:
Alf has gone into hiding lest he face the wrath of wingnuts who mistake him for Animal.

14 andres  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:02:39am

re: #7 EmmmieG

I really wouldn’t pick a fight with Miss Piggy.

She does not look like she fights fair, or accept defeat.

Have you seen what Miss Piggy carries in her handbag? May the Lord have mercy on the soul of whoever is stupid enough to pick a fight with her.

15 Kragar  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:02:45am

re: #13 Varek Raith

BREAKING NEWS:
Alf has gone into hiding lest he face the wrath of wingnuts who mistake him for Animal.

Sorry to tell you, but Alf is in a jar at a government lab somewhere. Didn’t you ever see the series finale?

16 freetoken  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:03:04am

re: #13 Varek Raith

Well, he is an alien, after all.

Illegal.

17 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:04:45am

re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sorry to tell you, but Alf is in a jar at a government lab somewhere. Didn’t you ever see the series finale?

The kitty cats are saved!

18 iossarian  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:05:05am

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

VA keeps shorter school year so as not to impact amusement park industry

That’s just fucking stupid.

We’re going to prevent people from investing in the education of the next generation so that they can spend their money on rides in revolving teacups instead.

Brilliant.

19 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:07:42am

re: #18 iossarian

That’s just fucking stupid.

We’re going to prevent people from investing in the education of the next generation so that they can spend their money on rides in revolving teacups instead.

Brilliant.

It is training for their future employment. They ride in those cups and get used to the spinning, so then they don’t get dizzy while on the job cleaning toilets when they flush them and the water starts spinning.

20 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:07:44am

re: #1 Varek Raith

this shouldn’t be that surprising.

21 Petero1818  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:09:35am

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

VA keeps shorter school year so as not to impact amusement park industry

Less Regulation…Less Government….oh..never mind.//

22 Gus  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:09:53am

“Miss Piggy” is trending on Twitter!

23 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:12:00am

What a wonderful day this has turned out to be.
Lol.

24 JAFO  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:14:51am

One would have to be very insecure in their cultural and political views to think it’s necessary to defend Fox News from Muppets.

25 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:15:32am

indoctrinate children to be socialists and hate

did you know that some liberals even go so far as to deny that mr potter was the hero of ‘it’s a wonderful life’?

26 Gus  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:16:22am

Unbelievable. Or maybe not. Some of the wingnut geniuses on Twitter think The Muppets is owned by PBS.Some

27 jaunte  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:16:25am

Is ‘The Muppets’ a communist Trojan horse?

“…I peeked at him in the rear-view mirror and saw he was staring out the window with a furrowed brow. “What is it, buddy?” I asked.

“Why were the Muppets so mean to that job creator, Tex Richman?” my boy said. “He never did anything to them, except provide the gas that allowed them to drive to Paris underwater and find Miss Piggy.”

Ah, from the mouths of babes…

It’s true: In the movie, Chris Cooper plays Tex Richman, a caricature of an evil oil man who wants to drill for black gold under the decrepit Muppet Studios. I didn’t know what to say to my worldly son. I pulled over to the side of the road and pondered my next move. I turned off the CD, pressed eject, rolled down the window, and chucked it on the road. Filthy propaganda! The scales had finally fallen from my eyes. Never again, liberal Hollywood!”

28 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:17:13am

My kids have just made the most amazing discovery.

See, the microwave just went out. (I am withholding my own editorial comments here.)

They took what needed to be heated up and—-get this—-put it in the oven.

It took more than a minute and a half, but it reheated just fine.

Who would have thought?

29 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:19:46am

Miss Piggy warned them.

“If they take what I say seriously, they have a real big problem.”

30 Randall Gross  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:20:32am

Density approaching that of a white dwarf star.

31 Gus  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:20:32am

Derp:

@johnnydollar01 johnny dollar
Your PBS $$ at work. RT @NolteNC: Unbelievable: “Muppets Go Partisan: Kermit and Miss Piggy Trash Fox News” bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2012/…

@AmericnElephant American Elephant
Muppets illustrate it’s time to CUT funding for partisan PBS: breitbart.tv/muppets-go-par… #tcot

32 jaunte  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:22:23am
…a jihad against soda pop…

Creeping tea and energy drink jihad!

Overall sales of carbonated beverages grew 9% from about $40.2 billion in 2005 to $43.9 billion in 2010, but when adjusted for inflation, sales actually declined 2%—due to lower demand for regular soda and a recent drop in the prices charged by several large retailers.

Deb Davis, category manager of cold beverages and frozen product for EZ Energy USA Inc., which operates nearly 100 stores in Ohio and Pennsylvania, has seen other beverage category sales taking a bite out of carbonated soft drink (CSD) sales.
“As a whole, U.S. consumption of CSDs has steadily declined since 2001,” Davis said. “I believe that the deterioration has entirely to do with the array of beverages now available to consumers.”

Davis pointed to ready-to-drink teas and energy drinks, which are impacting CSD sales more now than in the last few years.
[Link: www.csdecisions.com…]

33 erik_t  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:22:42am

re: #28 EmmmieG

My kids have just made the most amazing discovery.

See, the microwave just went out. (I am withholding my own editorial comments here.)

They took what needed to be heated up and—-get this—-put it in the oven.

It took more than a minute and a half, but it reheated just fine.

Who would have thought?

Heated up the house a whole lot more, too. Maybe a good thing this time of year, but less so in August.

34 freetoken  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:22:47am

re: #30 Thanos

Density approaching that of a white dwarf star.

But no where near as bright.

35 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:23:16am

re: #27 jaunte

Is ‘The Muppets’ a communist Trojan horse?

“Why were the Muppets so mean to that job creator, Tex Richman?” my boy said.

sure, all nine year olds talk like that

36 erik_t  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:24:34am

re: #35 engineer dog

“Why were the Muppets so mean to that job creator, Tex Richman?” my boy said.

sure, all nine year olds talk like that

I think ‘business guy’ would have been a hell of an unaided linguistic accomplishment by my nine-year-old self.

37 Gus  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:25:04am

After what Miss Piggy and Kermit said about Fox News in their press conference proves once again that we must attack Iran before they attain a nuclear bomb!

38 jaunte  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:25:26am

re: #35 engineer dog

Did you see the first comment at the link?

I hate that I can no longer distinguish satire from straight talk.

39 erik_t  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:26:29am

re: #37 Gus 802

‘Muppet’ looks kind of like ‘Mullah’. You can’t explain that!

40 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:26:49am

It’s like Dr Strangepork turned some braincell negating device upon them.
/

41 sagehen  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:27:01am

re: #28 EmmmieG

My kids have just made the most amazing discovery.

See, the microwave just went out. (I am withholding my own editorial comments here.)

They took what needed to be heated up and—-get this—-put it in the oven.

It took more than a minute and a half, but it reheated just fine.

Who would have thought?

I remember the day, in my junior year of college, when I discovered that ziploc baggies were the perfect size for a sandwich. Before that I’d thought they were for… oooh, is that TMI?

42 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:27:07am

re: #33 erik_t

Heated up the house a whole lot more, too. Maybe a good thing this time of year, but less so in August.

If we don’t have this thing fixed by August, that’s a problem.

43 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:28:27am

re: #38 jaunte

Did you see the first comment at the link?

curses! fooled again!

:-)

44 erik_t  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:28:57am

re: #42 EmmmieG

If we don’t have this thing fixed by August, that’s a problem.

Well, my excessively crotchety point was that microwaves are objectively superior cooking instruments in most reheating situations. Especially if you have an electric oven.

45 zora  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:29:00am

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

VA keeps shorter school year so as not to impact amusement park industry

this has always been the case in va. don’t let learnin’ mess with kings dominions schedule.

46 Petero1818  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:29:14am

I actually found the new muppet movie to be evil for a very different reason. It was basically a grand manipulation, and it failed. Basically it was a movie designed to reinvent a tired brand that had lost its cache, and the entire plot to the film was about them trying to reinvent the tired brand. They wanted us to care about the brand so that we would leave caring about the brand. I didn’t and guess what, neither did my kids. They have not once mentioned any of the characters, the songs or the story since they saw it. I was hugely disappointed. My wife and I grew up with the Muppets. We had high hopes for it. Commie bastards./

47 Bulworth  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:30:05am
“I believe that the deterioration has entirely to do with the array of beverages now available to consumers.”

They hate us for our freedom.

48 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:32:56am

re: #44 erik_t

Well, my excessively crotchety point was that microwaves are objectively superior cooking instruments in most reheating situations. Especially if you have an electric oven.

This is why we also have a toaster oven, which is a great little appliance except for its tendency to catch things on fire if you aren’t paying attention.

49 Gus  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:33:11am
50 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:33:49am
51 jaunte  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:33:50am
“I believe that the deterioration has entirely to do with the array of beverages now available to consumers.”

Davis pointed to ready-to-drink teas and energy drinks, which are impacting CSD sales more now than in the last few years.

Nolte may not be aware that Rush Limbaugh is part of the teahad against soda pop.

52 erik_t  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:34:02am

re: #48 EmmmieG

This is why we also have a toaster oven, which is a great little appliance except for its tendency to catch things on fire if you aren’t paying attention.

Open-faced ‘grilled’ cheese sandwiches are the delicious bane of my existence.

/microwave is still probably more efficient at reheating

53 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:35:09am

re: #52 erik_t

Open-faced ‘grilled’ cheese sandwiches are the bane of my existence.

/microwave is still probably more efficient at reheating

That’s what microwaves do best—reheat things. (One of four. The other three are defrost, cook bacon and pop popcorn. Nobody’s cooking steak in a microwave.)

54 erik_t  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:36:09am

re: #53 EmmmieG

That’s what microwaves do best—reheat things. (One of four. The other three are defrost, cook bacon and pop popcorn. Nobody’s cooking steak in a microwave.)

Tea. Tea tea tea tea tea.

(dons tricorner hat)

55 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:36:47am

re: #46 Petero1818

You mean it just wasn’t a very good movie? But … but Nolte says it was the right wing fake outrage that killed the Muppets!

56 zora  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:37:06am

ot: Newt’s New Florida Attack: Romney Vetoed Kosher Meals

Romney, Gingrich told the crowd in the most Jewish of swing states, vetoed a plan to bring kosher meals to his elderly constituents…

Mitt Romney is getting heat for a 2003 veto he cast as governor of Massachusetts to reject $600,000 in additional funds for poor Jewish nursing-home residents to get kosher meals.

[Link: www.buzzfeed.com…]

57 iossarian  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:38:33am

re: #49 Gus 802

How Jonah Goldberg, et al, sees Kermit.

As Charlie Chaplin?

/not getting it

58 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:38:51am

re: #46 Petero1818

My wife’s a huge Muppets fan, and I used to watch the show growing up. I had hopes that it would meet the expectations of some of the really good teaser ads they put out (spoofing everything from the Green Lantern to other pop culture references).

The movie turned out to be like most other Muppet movies. It had some great moments, some awkward ones, and uneven in most respects. It was a nostalgic take that was new.

Does it mean they’ll make more? Probably. It did make enough to warrant still more movies (and note too that the youtube clips of the Muppets doing songs like Bohemian Rhapsody or Ode to Joy are well received and have helped revitalize the characters). That and Disney owns the rights, so we’ll see more of them in years to come.

59 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:40:01am

ah, another day of the republican establishment telling the tea party that their candidate is unacceptable and will be ruthlessly crushed

60 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:40:28am

re: #54 erik_t

Tea. Tea tea tea tea tea.

(dons tricorner hat)

Yes, hot water for hot chocolate is one of our top uses.

61 Petero1818  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:41:21am

re: #55 Charles

You mean it just wasn’t a very good movie? But … but Nolte says it was the right wing fake outrage that killed the Muppets!

Nolte is an asshat.

62 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:44:15am

re: #60 EmmmieG

Yes, hot water for hot chocolate is one of our top uses.

Hot water for tea and re-heating are the primary uses I make of it. Wish I had a toaster oven for heating/cooking small portions, but generally end up using the electric oven to cook larger portions and then save some for later reheating.

I do bacon in the oven, haven’t tried cooking it in the microwave in years.

Microwave also good for quick melting of small amounts of cheese directly onto crackers. Trouble is keeping the cheesed crackers away from the Feline Overlords afterwards. (WANT!)

63 Petero1818  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:44:17am

re: #58 lawhawk

My wife’s a huge Muppets fan, and I used to watch the show growing up. I had hopes that it would meet the expectations of some of the really good teaser ads they put out (spoofing everything from the Green Lantern to other pop culture references).

The movie turned out to be like most other Muppet movies. It had some great moments, some awkward ones, and uneven in most respects. It was a nostalgic take that was new.

Does it mean they’ll make more? Probably. It did make enough to warrant still more movies (and note too that the youtube clips of the Muppets doing songs like Bohemian Rhapsody or Ode to Joy are well received and have helped revitalize the characters). That and Disney owns the rights, so we’ll see more of them in years to come.

I am going to say that you are being charitable, but perhaps you just liked it more than I. For sure there will be more, given Disney, as long as numbers warrant it. But my kids (and therefore I) won’t see them, at least not in the theatre, and that is saying something about the film since my kids think Spy Kids 3 is the greatest movie EVER.

64 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:45:50am

re: #63 Petero1818

I am going to say that you are being charitable, but perhaps you just liked it more than I. For sure there will be more, given Disney, as long as numbers warrant it. But my kids (and therefore I) won’t see them, at least not in the theatre, and that is saying something about the film since my kids think Spy Kids 3 is the greatest movie EVER.

That’s because Antonio Banderas rules.
;)

65 dragonfire1981  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:45:55am

Because attacking beloved children’s characters is totally going to win people to your cause.

It’s offical: the right has no sense of humor whatsoever.

66 zora  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:46:49am

re: #59 engineer dog

ah, another day of the republican establishment telling the tea party that their candidate is unacceptable and will be ruthlessly crushed

Palin: ‘Vote for Newt. Annoy a Liberal.’

[Link: www.nationalreview.com…]

this is the tea party mindset right now. she can add annoy a rino to the vote for newt tagline. the liberals i know would love newt as the nominee, btw. i know i would.

67 Gus  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:48:14am

Get your “Che Kermit” t-shirt here!

The Muppets is Communism!

68 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:49:50am

re: #67 Gus 802

Get your “Che Kermit” t-shirt here!

Is the internet lifetime of that item measured in minutes before Disney’s lawyers clusterbomb it with C&D orders?

69 simoom  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:50:24am

Juan Williams deviates from the Fox party line (writing in The Hill):

[Link: thehill.com…]

The language of GOP racial politics is heavy on euphemisms that allow the speaker to deny any responsibility for the racial content of his message. The code words in this game are “entitlement society” — as used by Mitt Romney — and “poor work ethic” and “food stamp president” — as used by Newt Gingrich. References to a lack of respect for the “Founding Fathers” and the “Constitution” also make certain ears perk up by demonizing anyone supposedly threatening core “old-fashioned American values.”

The code also extends to attacks on legal immigrants, always carefully lumped in with illegal immigrants, as people seeking “amnesty” and taking jobs from Americans.
But the code sometimes breaks down.

Last week a passionate Republican told GOP candidate Rick Santorum: “I never refer to Obama as President Obama because legally he is not [president]. He constantly says that our Constitution is passé and he ignores it. … He is an avowed Muslim and my question is, why isn’t something being done to get him out of government? He has no legal right to be calling himself president.”

Santorum did not blink. The man who recently said he meant “blah people” — when the world heard him say “black people” — as he spoke about parasitic Americans who get better lives by taking “somebody else’s money,” did not correct the assault on the truth. Instead he agreed that Obama is attacking the Constitution and said: “Well, look, I’m trying my best to get him out of office.”

Williams also addresses the FNC SC debate:

The former Speaker has declared that black people should demand jobs instead of food stamps. And he has proposed having poor students work as janitors in their high schools. Regardless of how they were intended, poor people and minorities sense that with those comments Gingrich is winking — some call it “dog whistling” — at certain white audiences by intimating that black people are lazy, happy to live off the government and lacking any intellect.

Gingrich did not answer my question but rather threw red meat to Republicans in South Carolina, a state with a long history of racial politics.

He used the same rhetorical technique of the segregationist politicians of the past: rejecting the premise of the question, attacking the media and playing to the American people’s resentment of liberal elites, minorities and poor people.

70 Gus  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:50:45am

re: #68 oaktree

Is the internet lifetime of that item measured in minutes before Disney’s lawyers clusterbomb it with C&D orders?

Either that or Che’s daughter. Or is she the granddaughter? ;)

71 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:50:58am

re: #64 oaktree

That’s because Antonio Banderas rules.
;)

Who wouldn’t love to discover your parents aren’t geeky mini-van driving boring adults, but really are spies with all kinds of cool gadgets?

72 Kragar  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:51:33am

re: #66 zora

Palin: ‘Vote for Newt. Annoy a Liberal.’

[Link: www.nationalreview.com…]

this is the tea party mindset right now. she can add annoy a rino to the vote for newt tagline. the liberals i know would love newt as the nominee, btw. i know i would.

Because when voting for the leader of the United States, your chief concern should be which guy annoys the opposition, not silly things like policies or agendas.

73 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:52:26am

re: #69 simoom

Juan Williams deviates from the Fox party line (writing in The Hill):

[Link: thehill.com…]
:

Do you think Juan has discovered that his money-lined bed has a bunch of spikes in it?
//

74 Lidane  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:52:53am

re: #66 zora

Palin: ‘Vote for Newt. Annoy a Liberal.’

[Link: www.nationalreview.com…].

I love how she thinks a liberal would be annoyed by Newt Gingrich as the GOP nominee.

Also, it’s hilarious and telling that the best she can come up with is a tired, old slogan used on bumper stickers and T-Shirts. “Annoy a Liberal”? Really?

75 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:53:50am

Gov. Christie has foot in mouth disorder in trying to ‘clarify’ remarks:

In a Statehouse press conference today, he expanded on the statement: “The political climate in the South didn’t give them the option to have a referendum back then,” he said, adding later: “They wished they would have had the option, but the political climate did not permit it, meaning they would not win.”

Christie signaled out Assemblyman Reed Gusciora (D-Mercer), one of two openly gay state lawmakers, as “numbnuts” for comparing him to infamous segregationalists.

“Govs. Lester Maddox and George Wallace would have found allies in Chris Christie over efforts by the Justice Department to end segregation in the South,” Gusciora said Thursday in a statement.

Christie also likened Democrats’ reaction to his original statement to what he called politically motivated overreactions to his comment last year that the press should “take a bat out” on Sen. Loretta Weinberg (D-Bergen). “It just shows how politically desperate the Democrats are,” he said.

This afternoon civil rights leader U.S. Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) is scheduled – along with U.S. Rep. Rush Holt (D-NJ) and Assembly Speaker Sheila Oliver (D-Essex) – for a press conference to discuss the original comments.

Holt in a phone interview today called Christie’s comment a “big blunder.”

76 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:53:50am

re: #74 Lidane

I love how she thinks a liberal would be annoyed by Newt Gingrich as the GOP nominee.

Also, it’s hilarious and telling that the best she can come up with is a tired, old slogan used on bumper stickers and T-Shirts. “Annoy a Liberal”? Really?

Annoy the GOP establishment: Line Sarah’s pockets!
//

77 iossarian  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:54:25am

re: #69 simoom

The comments are full of folks accusing Williams of racism for daring to ask such questions of the GOP candidates.

I don’t have the time or the energy to figure out the rabbit-hole logic going on now. It’s simpler to stick to a simple formula:

GOP = racist

I am mildly amused by the spectacle of Juan Williams complaining about this fact though. I mean, did he really think it was otherwise?

78 Kragar  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:55:24am

One of the primary reasons I left the Republicans is their embracing of rhetoric over reason; the constant screaming that things were broken and not providing one concrete example of how they would fix anything and the facts to prove it would work.

The fact that Newt is even in the running proves the above.

79 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:56:22am

re: #75 lawhawk

That’s just sad. Rather than simply admit making a mistake and saying, “I was wrong,” he spins and twists in the wind like a complete moron. I actually think his comments may have been from sheer ignorance, not neo-Confederate race-baiting for a change, but … what’s the effective difference?

80 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:56:47am

re: #74 Lidane

Amazing how she (or the TP) thinks that Newt is a Tea Party candidate. Newt, by his very essence and history, is an insider candidate. He might be on the outs with the GOP establishment, but he is part and parcel of what’s wrong with DC culture, to say nothing of blind personal ambition trumping morals, ethics, or character and judgment to be considered for the highest office in the land.

81 Kragar  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:56:53am

re: #74 Lidane

I love how she thinks a liberal would be annoyed by Newt Gingrich as the GOP nominee.

Also, it’s hilarious and telling that the best she can come up with is a tired, old slogan used on bumper stickers and T-Shirts. “Annoy a Liberal”? Really?

Hilarity will be if Newt wins the nomination, Obama trounces him, then 4 years of Rush saying Newt lost because he wasn’t conservative enough.

82 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:58:03am

re: #77 iossarian

I am mildly amused by the spectacle of Juan Williams complaining about this fact though. I mean, did he really think it was otherwise?

That’s what his $2 million salary is for. He’s a facade for Fox News, an anti-racism vaccine.

83 erik_t  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:59:10am

re: #82 Charles

That’s what his $2 million salary is for. He’s a facade for Fox News, an anti-racism vaccine.

He’s really more the crappy plastic-backed band-aid that keeps peeling off over and over whenever you apply the slightest moisture or motion.

84 Lidane  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:00:33pm

re: #80 lawhawk

Amazing how she (or the TP) thinks that Newt is a Tea Party candidate.

Or that he’s a “Constitutional conservative” of any sort. I laughed when I read the webmaster of Free Republic call Newt the only Constitutional conservative in the race.

His supporters are so determined to make the best of a shitty choice that they’ll turn Newt into the reincarnation of St. Ronald of Reagan if it means they don’t have to vote for Mitt Romney. It’s hilarious.

85 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:01:59pm

re: #79 Charles

His tact in dealing with controversies and politics isn’t to apologize but to double down. No different, but it gets him in trouble from time to time, and for no reason. An apology and this goes away. Instead, this carries on and actually detracts from what ever policy agenda he’s working on at the time (and curiously enough, he’s actually nominated a gay judge to the state supreme court even as he’s looking to avoid having to vote on a proposed gay marriage bill in the state). That move is all about the politics and currying favor with the socons - and the end run to a referendum would allow the state to legalize gay marriage without him taking an affirmative action to do so.

To me, that’s a shrewd political move, but one that puts the socons in fits since he is not nearly as conservative as they want (but then again, who is these days in no true conservative fashion).

86 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:02:31pm

re: #66 zora

Palin: ‘Vote for Newt. Annoy a Liberal.’

[Link: www.nationalreview.com…]

this is the tea party mindset right now. she can add annoy a rino to the vote for newt tagline. the liberals i know would love newt as the nominee, btw. i know i would.

For once I actually enjoyed the comments. Not much love left for her.

87 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:03:47pm

Angry wingnut goes hyper-literal:

She’s reacting to the title: “Breitbart Editor John Nolte Picks a Fight With the Muppets,” and attacking me for being too stupid to realize he was actually picking a fight with the people operating the Muppets.

You can’t write comedy like this.

88 Kragar  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:04:37pm

I’m sure the wingnuts will applaud this business owner exercising his property rights.

Tennessee Restaurant Throws Out Anti-Gay Lawmaker

Earlier today, from what I can tell, the restaurant The Bistro at the Bijou in Knoxville refused service to one Sen. Stacey Campfield. They posted a FB message that said, “I hope that Stacy Campfield now knows what if feels like to be unfairly discrimanted against.” From all that I can ascertain, that was a response to not serving him for his well documented views of ignorance and bigotry towards the GLBT community.

In response, one Matthew Hurtt wrote: So, discriminating against someone because you don’t agree with their political beliefs is perfectly fine. Two wrongs do, in fact, make a right, Fantastic logic!

That’s a fine example of false equivalency. Stacey Campfield, who I’ve met, talked to, and actually kind of like as a human being, is a person of power in this state who has used said power to promote discrimination, misinformation, and outright hatred towards his constituents and other Tennesseans. Knoxvillains who wish to eat out have a whole host of different options from which to choose from. But Tennesseans who want equal representation and rights have only one legislature to look to. While there are many representatives, theirs, Stacey Campfield has made it a mission in his life to make life harder for those who don’t fit his own personal view of ‘normal’.

There is nothing inconsistent or incoherent about discriminating against those with power who actively discriminate against those without power. There is no difference between refusing to serve David Duke than there is Stacey Campfield. While Campfield’s views may currently have more resonance among the American populace, it doesn’t change the fact that he wishes discrimination against people based on who they are.

89 simoom  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:05:21pm

re: #73 oaktree

Do you think Juan has discovered that his money-lined bed has a bunch of spikes in it?

90 Lidane  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:08:38pm

Posted without comment:

Michael Reagan Finds The Reagan ‘Living In Each And Every One Of You’

Michael Reagan did not hold back at a Newt Gingrich rally in Tampa. “If you wake up in the morning, and you yearn to be free…and you want that shining city on a hill back where it belongs. Then you found Ronald Reagan, he’s living in each and every one of you.” Now go out and vote for Newt Gingrich, Michael told supporters.

91 makeitstop  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:08:43pm

The best quote of the Fox-Muppets feud, from Charles Pierce:

After a decent interval, the Muppets have now taken Bolling’s arguments apart at their own press conference, proving, among other things, that Mr. Murdoch’s media empire has given a television show to someone who can’t win a debate against two piles of felt.

92 jaunte  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:09:07pm

Muppets are ppl!

93 freetoken  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:09:18pm

re: #90 Lidane

The deification of RWR is almost complete.

94 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:09:38pm

Checking out this embedded tweet feature in comments (you’ll have to reload the page to see the embedded tweets, though - haven’t put in code to do it dynamically with the ‘new comments’ button yet).

95 Kragar  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:10:04pm

re: #87 Charles

Angry wingnut goes hyper-literal:

She’s reacting to the title: “Breitbart Editor John Nolte Picks a Fight With the Muppet,” and attacking me for being too stupid to realize he was actually picking a fight with the people operating the Muppets.

You can’t write comedy like this.

Other complaints:

Iron Man - never pressed a single shirt

96 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:10:52pm

Sure enough - now they’re all gibbering about me being too stupid to understand the article. God, this is hilarious.

97 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:11:01pm

re: #88 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’m sure the wingnuts will applaud this business owner exercising his property rights.

Tennessee Restaurant Throws Out Anti-Gay Lawmaker

I have mixed feelings. The lefties are really excited about that story just like the wingnuts were when some doctor said he wouldn’t treat Obamacare supporters. I can’t bring myself to cheer this stuff.

98 Kragar  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:11:06pm

re: #90 Lidane

Posted without comment:

Michael Reagan Finds The Reagan ‘Living In Each And Every One Of You’

I need a quart of vodka, an exacto knife and some super glue. I’ll get that fucker out if its the last thing I do.

99 erik_t  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:11:19pm

re: #95 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Other complaints:

Iron Man - never pressed a single shirt

Batman: actually 0% bat, 100% man.

100 Kronocide  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:11:50pm

Charles, you were rejected by Cheerleaders?

I was too.

101 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:12:10pm

re: #98 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I need a quart of vodka, an exacto knife and some super glue. I’ll get that fucker out if its the last thing I do.

This man needs an immediate Reagan-dectomy, stat!

//

102 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:13:24pm

It’s incredible that adults are having a fit over a Muppets skit. It’s just… I’m…

103 jaunte  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:13:30pm

re: #100 BigPapa

This probably goes in the ‘feature, not bug’ column.

104 Kragar  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:13:47pm

re: #99 erik_t

Batman: actually 0% bat, 100% man.

X-Men: not one transsexual in the whole bunch.

105 erik_t  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:14:02pm

re: #90 Lidane

Posted without comment:

Michael Reagan Finds The Reagan ‘Living In Each And Every One Of You’

He’s more wingnut, now, than man… twisted and evil.

106 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:14:29pm

re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

X-Men: not one transsexual in the whole bunch.

Depends on the artist. Some of them make their women look awful butch.

107 Kragar  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:15:19pm

Great, I can picture Micheal Reagan picking up chicks at a GOP event now:

“Got any Reagan in you? Would you like some?”

108 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:15:29pm

re: #105 erik_t

He’s more wingnut, now, than man… twisted and evil.

We are all Kuato…

109 Kragar  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:15:38pm

re: #106 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Depends on the artist. Some of them make their women look awful butch.

Sticking with the movies for now.

110 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:15:44pm

(I’m going to hell)

The Flash: actually fully dressed

111 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:16:08pm

To embed a tweet in a comment, go to the Twitter website and click in the body of the tweet (not a link in it). It will expand to show more options - click ‘Details’.

Then you go to a page for that individual tweet, with a link that says ‘Embed this Tweet’. Click that and you’ll see the HTML code you need to paste into the comment. You probably want to set the alignment to ‘Center’ too.

For example:

112 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:16:37pm

re: #102 CuriousLurker

It’s incredible that adults are having a fit over a Muppets skit. It’s just… I’m…

They are only “adult” in the sense of having lived for more than 18 years…

113 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:16:42pm

re: #110 EmmmieG

(I’m going to hell)

The Flash: actually fully dressed

I thought about making that comment. Upding.

Spiderman - only four limbs.

114 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:16:42pm

re: #108 oaktree

We are all Kuato…

Quaid! Start the reactor!

//

115 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:17:49pm

re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

X-Men: not one transsexual in the whole bunch.

Magneto: never picks up his socks.

116 Kragar  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:18:02pm

re: #110 EmmmieG

(I’m going to hell)

The Flash: actually fully dressed

Resident Evil - not a biopic about Dr. Evil’s intern years

117 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:19:17pm

re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

X-Men: not one transsexual in the whole bunch.

Well, Mystique can pretty much be whatever, so…

118 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:20:03pm

re: #117 negativ

Well, Mystique can pretty much be whatever, so…

Mystique is actually made out of cedar.

119 freetoken  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:20:11pm

Test:

120 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:20:46pm

re: #96 Charles

Sure enough - now they’re all gibbering about me being too stupid to understand the article. God, this is hilarious.

Gibbering indeed. I mean, look at her manic profile bio:

Libertarian. Wife to @ZacChastain. Writer @bighollywood @bigjournalism @misfitpolitics. I defend @andrewbreitbart @dloesch @brandondarby against smears!

Her hubby doesn’t appear to be particularly interested in politics. I’m sure this must be a lot of fun for him. //

121 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:21:15pm

re: #118 ralphieboy

Mystique is actually made out of cedar.

>_< ow!

122 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:21:39pm

re: #121 oaktree

>_< ow!

thank you. my puns are all about causing pain

123 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:22:06pm

re: #112 ralphieboy

They are only “adult” in the sense of having lived for more than 18 years…

True that.

124 Kragar  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:22:48pm

re: #118 ralphieboy

Mystique is actually made out of cedar.

No.

Image: line6-30-5.jpg

125 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:23:25pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

I have mixed feelings. The lefties are really excited about that story just like the wingnuts were when some doctor said he wouldn’t treat Obamacare supporters. I can’t bring myself to cheer this stuff.

I get what you’re saying, but first of all, with a doctor there is a matter of the Hippocratic oath. Refusing to treat someone is not a joke. Second, the reasons for refusal matter too, IMHO.

126 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:24:53pm

re: #122 ralphieboy

thank you. my puns are all about causing pain

Ralphieboy is not actually a boy anymore. //

127 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:25:34pm

re: #124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No.

Image: line6-30-5.jpg

I _so_ love that one. I saved it the first time I saw it posted.

128 Gus  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:25:55pm

For some reason I still have the old Twitter version on my account.

129 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:26:09pm

re: #125 Sergey Romanov

I get what you’re saying, but first of all, with a doctor there is a matter of the Hippocratic oath. Refusing to treat someone is not a joke. Second, the reasons for refusal matter too, IMHO.

It’s a tricky issue. Not just the doctor but other businesses who’ve done anti-Obama stuff over the years. People always cheer when their side does it and is outraged when the other side does the same thing.

130 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:26:23pm

re: #125 Sergey Romanov

I get what you’re saying, but first of all, with a doctor there is a matter of the Hippocratic oath. Refusing to treat someone is not a joke. Second, the reasons for refusal to matter too, IMHO.

Do doctors even still take the Hippocratic oath? It’s an oath to Apollo, fercryinoutloud! There has to be an alternative for Jews, Christians, Muslims and Secular Humanists.

131 Gus  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:26:24pm

So I can’t see either “details” or “embed this Tweet.”

132 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:26:51pm

re: #130 Alouette

Do doctors even still take the Hippocratic oath? It’s an oath to Apollo, fercryinoutloud! There has to be an alternative for Jews, Christians, Muslims and Secular Humanists.

I’m not talking literally.

133 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:27:34pm

re: #132 Sergey Romanov

I’m not talking literally.

Medical ethics should still be the same.

134 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:27:47pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

It’s a tricky issue. Not just the doctor but other businesses who’ve done anti-Obama stuff over the years. People always cheer when their side does it and is outraged when the other side does the same thing.

There’s that, and also the fact that it’s negative feedback behavior. Polarizing, and probably leads to retaliation tit-for-tat like counter reactions.

135 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:28:08pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

“Yes, but”.
E.g.:
A racist refusing to serve non-whites -> bad.
A decent person teaching a racist a lesson -> see if I care.

136 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:29:47pm

re: #119 freetoken

It doesn’t work in the “separate comment” window.

137 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:31:33pm

test

138 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:33:49pm

re: #137 Sergey Romanov

test

Is this the point where the audience asks him whether that means they’ll have to start respecting Mormons?

139 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:33:52pm

re: #126 Sergey Romanov

Ralphieboy is not actually a boy anymore. //

neither is my name Ralph…

140 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:34:48pm

re: #137 Sergey Romanov

test

I want to find out what joke shop he goes to that will sell him entire decks of victim cards.

141 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:35:40pm

re: #137 Sergey Romanov

“Gingrich in FL: “I’m a little bit tired of respecting every other religion on the planet. I want them to start respecting OUR religions.”“

“Respecting our religions” in this case means “not allowing us to shove them down other people’s throats”.

142 Kragar  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:37:52pm

re: #141 ralphieboy

“Gingrich in FL: “I’m a little bit tired of respecting every other religion on the planet. I want them to start respecting OUR religions.”“

“Respect” in this case means “not allowing us to shove them down other people’s throats”.

From the people who treat being asked to treat people decently as oppression.

143 iossarian  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:37:56pm

re: #141 ralphieboy

“Gingrich in FL: “I’m a little bit tired of respecting every other religion on the planet. I want them to start respecting OUR religions.”“

“Respecting our religions” in this case means “not allowing us to shove them down other people’s throats”.

White male christian victimhood writ large.

144 celticdragon  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:39:38pm

re: #82 Charles

That’s what his $2 million salary is for. He’s a facade for Fox News, an anti-racism vaccine.

Read the comments directed at him at The Hill.

Kent 8 minutes ago
I used to like Juan and admired Fox for hiring him after the debacle with NPR. Lately however, he has succumbed to the race baiting of the extreme left and is quickly losing my respect. Race, race everywhere.

Jack Reno 18 minutes ago
Dear Juan,
Get over yourself. Right away. Just do it. Become sane again.

ObamaSucks 22 minutes ago
I hope we never ever have another black president ever.
Anytime Dems don’t agree with Repubs, they play the race card.
Us whities are sick of it…

George Clueless 2 hours ago
It will be so nice when Obama is out of office and we as a country no longer have to endure all of this race baiting and walking on eggshells over every word we say and every hand gesture we make.

Do your part in making sure that happens in 2012 and we can put this sorry chapter in American history behind us and heal as a nation.


Charles 2 hours ago
Quit whining Juan.most “People of color’ support the Dems because they promise them more goodies.The money largely comes from productive white people

The stupid. It burns.

145 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:45:57pm

Well, this is interesting:

President Obama gave the most, proportionally, of his income to charity, at 14.2%. Mitt came in second at 13.8%. Gingrich is at 2.6%.

[Link: www.deseretnews.com…]

146 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:46:38pm

re: #143 iossarian

White male christian victimhood writ large.

147 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:50:37pm

re: #145 EmmmieG

Well, this is interesting:

President Obama gave the most, proportionally, of his income to charity, at 14.2%. Mitt came in second at 13.8%. Gingrich is at 2.6%.

[Link: www.deseretnews.com…]

as a Mormon, Mitt would be required to donate 10% of his income to the church. Does that count as a “charitable donation”?

148 Winny Spencer  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:52:00pm

re: #147 ralphieboy

as a Mormon, Mitt would be required to donate 10% of his income to the church. Does that count as a “charitable donation”?

I think this answers that, from the article:

“Mormons give the highest percentage of their income to charity, donating 5.6 percent of their total gross income. “

149 b_sharp  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:52:09pm

Children find it very difficult to accept loss of privilege and requests to share. Adults are usually willing to balance their own benefits with those of their family and community.

150 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:56:40pm

re: #147 ralphieboy

as a Mormon, Mitt would be required to donate 10% of his income to the church. Does that count as a “charitable donation”?

Legally, yes. Please bear in mind that over half the church is not in the US, a lot of the members in 3rd world countries.

If you want, I can give you links as to what the church programs and church humanitarian programs do for people.

They don’t have the wheelchair video anymore, though. That one made me cry.

151 Petero1818  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:57:33pm

re: #147 ralphieboy

as a Mormon, Mitt would be required to donate 10% of his income to the church. Does that count as a “charitable donation”?

I believe it does. There is surprisingly little info written about how the Mormon Church spends that money. But, some analysis suggests that it has spent less than 10% of that money on what one might consider “charitable causes”. That however is not unique to the Mormon church. People of all religions write off contributions to religious institutions in their charitable giving. These institutions are a mixed bag in terms of where that money goes.

152 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:57:37pm

re: #118 ralphieboy

Mystique is actually made out of cedar.

I am sending you a bill for the time I spent trying to figure out what the hell you were talking about.

YOU BELIEVE, as I discovered a few posts later, that you were making a pun about “My stake”.

WELL, it turns out that Estee Lauder may or may not a perfume called “Wood Mystique” that contains cedar oils, among other things. I say “may or may not”, because the only references I can find to the stuff are on dodgy sites that may or may not be hawking bootleg ripoff stuff. It’s confusing. I don’t know. I JUST DON’T EVEN KNOW ANYTHING ANYMORE.

Fucking internet. Jeezus.

153 simoom  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:59:03pm

re: #145 EmmmieG

President Obama gave the most, proportionally, of his income to charity, at 14.2%. Mitt came in second at 13.8%. Gingrich is at 2.6%.

That’s actually missing the majority of President Obama’s 2010 charitable givings, an addition 1.4 million, as they weren’t included in his tax returns (they went directly to charity):

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com…]

154 Kragar  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:00:23pm

Land Echoes Call to ‘Civil Disobedience’ over Contraceptive Decision

Land said the question of when civil disobedience becomes a moral option hinges on whether other means of protest are available. “The threshold was lower for Dr. King than it is for us, and the reason is that he and most of the people he was seeking to free couldn’t vote,” Land said.

“We have the right to vote. We have the right to file suit in court,” Land said. “I would argue that there are certain means that need to be exhausted before we reach civil disobedience, but that civil disobedience must always remain the ultimate option if the government forces us to choose between obeying God or man.”

“What I’ve argued is that if we all say we’re going to obey God rather than man — we’re going to not allow them to restrict our religious freedom — if we all hang together, then none of us will have to go to jail,” he said. “If we don’t, we may all end up in jail.”

155 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:00:32pm

re: #128 Gus 802

For some reason I still have the old Twitter version on my account.

Me too. And it looks like we have to wait for Twitter to upgrade us.

156 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:00:57pm

re: #151 Petero1818

While Muslim, I admit the Mennonites are fantastic on this.

If you want to give to religious organization, give to them. They will use it very well.

157 Gus  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:01:03pm

re: #155 wrenchwench

Me too. And it looks like we have to wait for Twitter to upgrade us.

Yeah. That’s pretty strange.

158 JEA62  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:01:36pm

All this does is prove to me how babyfied Fox News conservatives are that they have to answer back to a joke by a PUPPET…

159 Gus  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:02:11pm

Muppets
u
s
l
i
m
s

//

160 Kragar  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:02:58pm

re: #158 JEA62

All this does is prove to me how babyfied Fox News conservatives are that they have to answer back to a joke by a PUPPET…

Have you ever really listened to Steve Doocy?
/

161 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:03:31pm

re: #159 Gus 802

//

Thou hast cracked the al-Vinci code, my son! //

162 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:03:49pm

re: #152 negativ

sorry. my mystaque.

163 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:04:04pm

re: #152 negativ

I am sending you a bill for the time I spent trying to figure out what the hell you were talking about.

YOU BELIEVE, as I discovered a few posts later, that you were making a pun about “My stake”.

WELL, it turns out that Estee Lauder may or may not a perfume called “Wood Mystique” that contains cedar oils, among other things. I say “may or may not”, because the only references I can find to the stuff are on dodgy sites that may or may not be hawking bootleg ripoff stuff. It’s confusing. I don’t know. I JUST DON’T EVEN KNOW ANYTHING ANYMORE.

Fucking internet. Jeezus.

“Miss Teak” was my take. Teak being a kind of wood, therefore saying she was actually made from cedar makes some sort of sense.

I did not go further since I made a somewhat obscure “Mandating” -> “Mandalay” style pun the other day.

164 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:05:25pm

re: #151 Petero1818

I believe it does. There is surprisingly little info written about how the Mormon Church spends that money. But, some analysis suggests that it has spent less than 10% of that money on what one might consider “charitable causes”. That however is not unique to the Mormon church. People of all religions write off contributions to religious institutions in their charitable giving. These institutions are a mixed bag in terms of where that money goes.

It depends on what you consider charitable causes.

I met a woman, now LDS, from Nigeria. She told us her story—after her father’s death, her brother had inherited the house, and she had hated going there because her brother was an alcoholic, and she hated to see her father’s house made a house of drunkenness. (Her words.)

One Sunday morning they asked her to come over, and so she did, intending just to drop in briefly. She expected to find the usual. Her brother was clean and sober and the house was orderly and calm.

Her brother and his family had joined the LDS church, which necessitated getting rid of the alcohol.

Religious benefits are intangible, but they can be good. Frequently, I admit, religion gets misapplied, but when religion is used in an introspective way meant to improve who you are, it is good.

165 Gus  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:05:35pm

re: #161 Sergey Romanov

Thou hast cracked the al-Vinci code, my son! //

Have murcy!

//

166 Gus  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:06:03pm

Murdoch
Muppets
Muslims

!

//

167 b_sharp  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:07:05pm

re: #163 oaktree

“Miss Teak” was my take. Teak being a kind of wood, therefore saying she was actually made from cedar make some sort of sense.

I did not go further since I made a somewhat obscure “Mandating” -> “Mandalay” style pun the other day.

“His tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are knit together.”

168 Gus  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:07:38pm

And mustaches.

169 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:07:53pm

re: #166 Gus 802

Murdoch
Muppets
Muslims

!

//

And you would be shocked to learn what M&Ms means!

170 Lidane  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:08:23pm

re: #107 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Great, I can picture Micheal Reagan picking up chicks at a GOP event now:

“Got any Reagan in you? Would you like some?”

Sounds like a really bad Captain Morgan parody. ROFL.

171 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:09:02pm

re: #156 ProLifeLiberal

Also, after some research, Islamic Relief USA is good too.

They were also among the flotilla of organizations to help out after Katrina, along with the Mennonites.

172 Gus  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:09:16pm

re: #169 Sergey Romanov

And you would be shocked to learn what M&Ms means!

M&Ms are really Munchkins and Muppets!

//

173 Gus  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:09:51pm

Murdoch
Muppets
Muslims
Mujahedin
Mustaches

174 Petero1818  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:09:58pm

re: #156 ProLifeLiberal

While Muslim, I admit the Mennonites are fantastic on this.

If you want to give to religious organization, give to them. They will use it very well.

I suspect it is because their religious institutions are rather rudimentary and basic, and they do not proselytize. Those 2 factors are some of the biggest drains on other Church’s funds. Myself, when I give to a Jewish charity, I pretty much know it goes to Jewish causes. Sometimes social services in Israel or in the local Jewish community. But when I want to support other causes, I do it directly. Medical research, social services in Canada, world hunger, disaster relief, that sort of thing. I try to go as direct as possible.

175 Kragar  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:10:14pm

Nativist Leader Recasts Immigration Fight as Religious Crusade

In keeping with the grandiose tone of his fancy new website (which many users apparently find harder to use than the old one), Gheen has recast his “battle” as a religious crusade. In a post this week that defies both modesty and the basic laws of grammar, he wrote, “It is my strongest personal belief that this is not just a political battle, but a spiritual war between good and evil, between those who are defending their homes and trying to conserve what is good about America Vs. aggressive invaders who have overthrown our Republic and taken control of the Executive Branch to further their goals. If my spiritual beliefs offend anyone, then I have no regrets.”

Apparently addressing the legion of atheists he believes hang on his every word, he continued, “I have done my best not to offend anyone and while I want to unify us and organize us, I must be open and honest about my belief that we are not getting out of this mess without God’s intervention. Our fate is in His hands, and I believe seeking to do His will is essential to finding the motivation and inspiration needed to save America, God willing.”

Elsewhere, he hinted that violence might be the only solution. “Many patriotic and peaceful Americans are giving up on the politicians all together, he wrote. “People have had enough and their confidence in political solutions is fading fast.”

176 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:10:17pm

re: #107 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Great, I can picture Micheal Reagan picking up chicks at a GOP event now:

“Got any Reagan in you? Would you like some?”

What if she turns out to be full of Nancy and just says “no”?

177 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:11:37pm

re: #163 oaktree

“Miss Teak” was my take. Teak being a kind of wood, therefore saying she was actually made from cedar make some sort of sense.

I did not go further since I made a somewhat obscure “Mandating” -> “Mandalay” style pun the other day.

nobody seemed to twig on my “Magneto never picks up his socks” riff:

to wit: Mag-NEAT-o is actually untidy.

You WILL laugh.

178 Kragar  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:11:37pm

re: #176 ralphieboy

What if she turns out to be full of Nancy and just says “no”?

Ask her friend.

179 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:11:58pm

re: #155 wrenchwench

Me too. And it looks like we have to wait for Twitter to upgrade us.

I’ve read that you can force Twitter to start using the new version, even on the web, by installing their latest app for iPhone, iPod, iPad, or Android.

Don’t know if there’s any other way.

180 Kragar  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:12:05pm

re: #177 ralphieboy

nobody seemed to twig on my “Magneto never picks up his socks” riff:

to wit: Mag-NEAT-o is actuall untidy.

You WILL laugh.

I thought it had to do with static cling.

181 Gus  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:12:10pm
182 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:12:25pm

re: #171 ProLifeLiberal

Also, after some research, Islamic Relief USA is good too.

They were also among the flotilla of organizations to help out after Katrina, along with the Mennonites.

The LDS Humanitarian Fund partners with them.

183 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:13:33pm

re: #179 Charles

I’ve read that you can force Twitter to start using the new version, even on the web, by installing their latest app for iPhone, iPod, iPad, or Android.

Don’t know if there’s any other way.

Can I install any of those on my desktop, or do I need the corresponding device?

bbl

184 Petero1818  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:15:24pm

re: #164 EmmmieG

It depends on what you consider charitable causes.

I met a woman, now LDS, from Nigeria. She told us her story—after her father’s death, her brother had inherited the house, and she had hated going there because her brother was an alcoholic, and she hated to see her father’s house made a house of drunkenness. (Her words.)

One Sunday morning they asked her to come over, and so she did, intending just to drop in briefly. She expected to find the usual. Her brother was clean and sober and the house was orderly and calm.

Her brother and his family had joined the LDS church, which necessitated getting rid of the alcohol.

Religious benefits are intangible, but they can be good. Frequently, I admit, religion gets misapplied, but when religion is used in an introspective way meant to improve who you are, it is good.

I knew that “charitable” would illicit some reaction. Listen, IMHO, religious giving is religious giving. It does some good. There is no question. Some people benefit directly from Missionaries work. I get it. At the same time, we should be honest and transparent about it. Religious institutions take on a life of their own, and to be honest, on the law of averages, if we took all the money given to synagogues,church’s and mosques and directed it instead into charities that do nothing other than provide aid etc…we would get a lot more bang for the buck. My guess is close to 80% more.

185 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:15:27pm

re: #180 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I thought it had to do with static cling.

You will laugh nonetheless…

186 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:16:16pm

re: #174 Petero1818

I’ll probably do a mix when out of college. Religious between Mennonites and Islamic Relief, and secular ones.

re: #182 EmmmieG

re: #182 EmmmieG

Did not know that.

To be honest, Katrina was going to be a horrific disaster no matter what Bush or Blanco would have done. There were 100k people without cars who needed to be moved, which was not going to happen, and transportation arteries were going were mangled.

The only way it could have turned out better is if we had used the military. But that is impossible with the Posse Comitatus Act

187 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:17:03pm

re: #184 Petero1818

I remember hearing Catholic bishops actually telling their flock that none of their donation money would be used to pay off settlement suits for child abuse cases.

Like sharing a bowl of soup with someone by drawing a line down the middle of it…

188 b_sharp  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:17:15pm

re: #181 Gus 802

Limbaugh: A Hermaphrodite Is “Like A Moderate”

He can’t even get that right.

189 Kragar  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:18:59pm

re: #188 b_sharp

He can’t even get that right.

What do you expect? The man is an idiot.

190 Gus  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:21:00pm

re: #189 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What do you expect? The man is an idiot.

Why do you disparage idiots?

//

191 darthstar  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:21:41pm

Breitbart editor picks fight with puppet, loses.

So, what’s new?

192 Gus  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:22:46pm

re: #191 darthstar

Breitbart editor picks fight with puppet, loses.

So, what’s new?

They have no choice but to pull out their secret weapon to take on Miss Piggy and Kermit. Animal Mother.

193 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:23:18pm

re: #184 Petero1818

I knew that “charitable” would illicit some reaction. Listen, IMHO, religious giving is religious giving. It does some good. There is no question. Some people benefit directly from Missionaries work. I get it. At the same time, we should be honest and transparent about it. Religious institutions take on a life of their own, and to be honest, on the law of averages, if we took all the money given to synagogues,church’s and mosques and directed it instead into charities that do nothing other than provide aid etc…we would get a lot more bang for the buck. My guess is close to 80% more.

To be fully effective, a charity should worry about today and tomorrow.

Today, get the food, medicine, etc. in.

For tomorrow, you need to be getting better education for the people today.

Bring the medicine in, and send some of the kids to school. All if you can. Try to help make the people more able, and you will solve some of tomorrow’s problems today.

194 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:24:15pm

re: #184 Petero1818

Watch the movie Proposition 8: The Mormon Proposition to see just how the Mormon church uses the “charitable” donations they get. They should be stripped of their tax exempt status.

195 b_sharp  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:27:46pm

re: #189 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What do you expect? The man is an idiot.

Limbaugh logic:

If you have a penis you don’t have a vagina.
If you have a vagina you don’t have a penis.
A hermaphrodite has both.
Therefore a hermaphrodite has none.

A moderate accepts ideas from both the left and the right.
Therefore a moderate has no ideas.

Corollary: a hermaphrodite is just like a moderate.

196 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:28:40pm

re: #194 Dreggas

That’s one big issue

I did a little research. Apparently, the Muslim Community in the US is more supportive of Gay Rights than the Mormons are. (Muslim’s 39% vs. Mormons 26%)

197 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:29:01pm

A fair percentage of the Evangelical branch of wingnut nation believe that frog imagery is demonic and will invite demonic activity.
See Revelation 16:12-13

As for pigs, well we know about them. Evangelicals don’t have a specific problem with pork but some of the anti-swine animosity in other religions is liable to spill over.

198 Petero1818  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:29:29pm

re: #194 Dreggas

Watch the movie Proposition 8: The Mormon Proposition to see just how the Mormon church uses the “charitable” donations they get. They should be stripped of their tax exempt status.

I agree this was beyond the pale. I suspect though that every religious institution in the US has engaged in political activity of some sort. I don’t believe for a second that the Catholic church is not involved in Anti choice politics or that Synagogues are not involved in pro Israel lobbying.

199 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 2:49:04pm

re: #154 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Land Echoes Call to ‘Civil Disobedience’ over Contraceptive Decision

So, murdering doctors who perform abortions now comes under the heading of ‘civil disobedience?’

Riiiiiiight.

200 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 3:15:17pm

I am becoming more and more convinced that the wingnut’s long term goal is not a Theocratic America, but to make The Onion obsolete.

201 TheSwedish  Mon, Jan 30, 2012 5:56:05pm

John Nolte looks like Chris Elliott’s character from “There’s Something About Mary,” which means Mr. Nolte will soon take to Breitbart’s pages to complain about the “whiteheads” on his own (bulging) eyeballs.


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