A pretty good report today from the Bureau of Labor Statistics: Jobs Growth Rises 114,000 as Unemployment Rate Slides to 7.8 Percent.
Any good news on this front, of course, provokes the right wing into a frenzy of conspiracy theories.
It’s just what they do. At this point I don’t think they can even help it. It’s a reflex.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:29:00am |
I have to admit, I get a lot of joy out of watching them go completely apeshit. I mean, yeah, torture is wrong and all but I do love watching them squirm.
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dragonfire1981 Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:29:14am |
In the last thread, someone coined the term "Jobbers" for people who are buying the conspiracy theories.
As a professional wrestling fan, that term becomes quite humorous in this context because in wrestling terminology a jobber is typically someone who loses all their matches and is there simply to make the other guy look good.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:29:35am |
If Obama only created one job over the last 4 years, that's a reason for me to vote for him. I'm talking about MY job.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:30:55am |
And if the numbers had favored them, they would be jumping up and down with glee. What a pathetic bunch of bullshit.
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Bulworth Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:30:57am |
If Obama only created one job over the last 4 years, that's a reason for me to vote for him. I'm talking about MY job.
The government doesn't create jobs but we'll create jobs and Obama should have created more jobs and RomneyRyan have a great plan to create jobs. //
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dragonath Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:31:10am |
Man, the conservative Id is really all over the place lately.
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Kragar Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:32:34am |
Wait, I've figured it out. I know what the real conspiracy is!
What it, and this is mind blowing, all these reporters and pundits are actually liberals and they're just making these claims to make the real conservatives look like complete fucking idiots?
Look how effective its been so far.
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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:32:52am |
Once you start lobbing conspiracies, it's not just that everything looks like a conspiracy, but that maintenance of dramatic tension requires that every new issue be treated as a conspiracy.
This crap isn't going to go away.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:32:57am |
It's so sad how partisan intent distorts simple facts in an election year. My feelings toward the parties are much like how an atheist looks at religion. Man made, artificial, and dysfunctional to a degree that harms many.
Love to see a study on how many lies are repeated by people only during election cycles.
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:33:01am |
I sincerely hope Mitch McConnell is tasting his own bile today. All that work to thwart Obama, and things are improving in spite of him.
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Sophist, Gingham Style Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:33:04am |
Pretty soon they'll be saying the whole concept of numbers is a liberal conspiracy.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:33:27am |
re: #8 Kragar
Wait, I've figured it out. I know what the real conspiracy is!
What it, and this is mind blowing, all these reporters and pundits are actually liberals and they're just making these claims to make the real conservatives look like complete fucking idiots?
Look how effective its been so far.
I think reality is liberal and doesn't need the reporters and pundits.
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lawhawk Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:33:38am |
re: #12 SophistFCD
We're already there (think global warming, evolution, science, etc.)
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Mattand Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:34:11am |
I absolutely detest the truther movement. You can make the argument that a lot of it was fueled by liberals with Bush Derangement Syndrome.
But even at its worst, the influence of those psychos had next to no impact on Democratic Party policies.
To watch how conspiracy and paranoia has influenced the GOP since January '09 is truly, truly depressing. I want opposition grounded in reality and arguing points that don't read like fantasies of which even Alex Jones would say, "Guys? Can you take it down a notch?"
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:34:14am |
re: #8 Kragar
Wait, I've figured it out. I know what the real conspiracy is!
What it, and this is mind blowing, all these reporters and pundits are actually liberals and they're just making these claims to make the real conservatives look like complete fucking idiots?
Look how effective its been so far.
This is hugh!
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Kragar Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:34:25am |
re: #12 SophistFCD
Pretty soon they'll be saying the whole concept of numbers is a liberal conspiracy.
"All this math is based on Arabic numerals, so it just shows that Obama is implementing Sharia law in our schools."
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Mocking Jay Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:34:29am |
I saw layers in the jobs report.
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) October 5, 2012
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:34:29am |
re: #12 SophistFCD
Pretty soon they'll be saying the whole concept of numbers is a liberal conspiracy.
I think Bobby J. is trying to outlaw them in Louisiana.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:34:40am |
re: #12 SophistFCD
Pretty soon they'll be saying the whole concept of numbers is a liberal conspiracy.
We got the concept of zero from the Arabs. So math is part of a long-term Muslim conspiracy to overthrow Western Civilization.
:p
/////
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Kragar Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:35:30am |
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:35:40am |
They have become everything they accused the left of being in the Bush years and that's why it amuses me so much.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:36:42am |
re: #22 HappyWarrior
They have become everything they accused the left of being in the Bush years and that's why it amuses me so much.
You do have to credit them for their mastery of projection.
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JamesWI Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:36:42am |
(1 of 2)Hmm. Romney flat-out lies in order to win a debate.Fact-free.Republicans call it a win; crow & gloat.
— Patton Oswalt (@pattonoswalt) October 5, 2012
(2 of 2)Favorable jobs report drops today.Unshakeable FACTS.Republicans immediately cry conspiracy. #sad #desperate
— Patton Oswalt (@pattonoswalt) October 5, 2012
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Mocking Jay Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:38:21am |
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Kragar Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:39:55am |
re: #24 JamesWI
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Romney surrogate claims ‘Etch A Sketch’ lying is ‘good campaign tactics’
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Sophist, Gingham Style Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:40:31am |
re: #17 Kragar
"All this math is based on Arabic numerals, so it just shows that Obama is implementing Sharia law in our schools."
And don't even get me started on Al-Jebra...
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Cap'n Magic Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:40:31am |
And we see Neutron Jack light into calling the numbers fudged-talk about the pot calling the kettle black....
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Talking Point Detective Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:40:50am |
re: #5 HappyWarrior
And if the numbers had favored them, they would be jumping up and down with glee.
Of course they would.
Nate Silver has an interesting analysis of the #'s. Including this:
However, the jobs numbers are one of the more hopeful signs for the economy on balance. An average of 146,000 jobs have been created per month over the past year, or closer to 157,000 with the government’s anticipated benchmark revisions accounted for.
Those aren’t great numbers by any means, and would translate to an annualized growth rate of 1.4 percent. But over the past 25 years, payroll jobs have grown at an annualized rate of 1.1 percent, or the equivalent of about 125,000 jobs added per month given today’s population. By this measure, it’s been a fairly average economic year, although certainly not enough to make up for the productivity that was lost from the economy in 2008 and 2009.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:40:58am |
Every POTUS has these baseless accusations. "Don't worry Bush will fix gas prices before the election" "Hilary invests $1000, makes $100,000" and now this.
Gas is up now, and will likely back off some in November. Guess what we will hear then? Obama did it. He won't, he can't. Neither did either Bush. What a load.
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Kragar Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:41:10am |
Santorum suggests ‘eating’ Big Bird: ‘You can kill things and still like them’
CNN host Piers Morgan asked Santorum on Thursday if he would also “kill Big Bird.”
“Well, as a matter of fact, I’ve voted to kill Big Bird,” Santorum replied proudly. “That doesn’t mean I don’t like Big Bird. You can kill things and still like them. I mean, maybe to eat them.”
“That’s probably not — can we go back on that one,” the former Pennsylvania senator added, waiving his hands at the camera.
“That was beautifully, badly phrased,” Morgan agreed.
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kirkspencer Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:41:51am |
For what it is worth, I expect the economy and jobs to be improving for the next six months regardless of who wins. The main driver of this is the Fed deciding they need to boost the economy a bit with an indefinite QE3.
ANti-austerity for success.
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JamesWI Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:42:06am |
You know what the subtext of Jobs Trutherism is? THESE JOBS ARE GREAT -- TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE! Makes them seem better than they are.
— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) October 5, 2012
Just keep shooting themselves in the feet.
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Kronocide Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:42:35am |
re: #10 Daniel Ballard
It's so sad how partisan intent distorts simple facts in an election year. My feelings toward the parties are much like how an atheist looks at religion. Man made, artificial, and dysfunctional to a degree that harms many.
My feelings towards the parties differ because one party is clearly way out off the freaking deep end as compared to the other.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:42:56am |
re: #31 Kragar
Santorum suggests ‘eating’ Big Bird: ‘You can kill things and still like them’
Santorum likes to eat puppets? That explains a lot.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:43:33am |
re: #35 HappyWarrior
Santorum likes to eat puppets? That explains a lot.
More of a cannibal thing since Big Bird isn't a puppet really.
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JamesWI Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:43:33am |
BilL ayerS #ThinkAboutIt
— Simon Maloy (@SimonMaloy) October 5, 2012
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simoom Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:43:47am |
WaPo: There was one president who tried to manipulate BLS
As it happens, there is a historical example of improper political pressure on the BLS by a U.S. president: Republican Richard M. Nixon.
As first recounted by Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein in their 1976 book “Final Days,” the frequently paranoid president — who had a history of anti-Semitic outbursts — became obsessed with the idea that a “Jewish cabal” at BLS was undermining him by issuing negative labor numbers. Nixon ordered his subordinates to tally up the number of Democrats and Jews in the agency.
“There’s a Jewish cabal, you know, running through this,” Nixon fumed in July 1971 to his chief of staff, H.R. “Bob” Haldeman, according to White House tapes. “…And they all — they all only talk to Jews. Now, but there it is. But there’s the BLS staff. Now how the hell do you ever expect us to get anything from that staff, the raw data, let alone what the poor guys have to say [inaudible] that isn’t gonna be loaded against us? You understand?”
According to journalistic accounts and documents, the task fell to Nixon aide Fred Malek, who first counted high-ranking Democrats at BLS using voter registration lists and then identified employees with “Jewish-sounding” names. He reported the resulting statistics to Nixon in a 1971 letter that became known as the “Jew-counting” memo, identifying 25 Democrats and 13 employees who “fit the other demographic criterion that was discussed.”
...
In 2007, Timothy Noah of Slate publicized a previously unreleased 1971 memo from Malek suggesting he was much more closely involved in a BLS purge then he had claimed, outlining a reorganization that resulted in the demotions of at least four high-ranking Jewish employees.The Nixon Presidential Library and Museum has also posted some, but not all, documents related to the affair on its Web site.
Malek has remained a prominent adviser to Republicans from George H.W. Bush to Sarah Palin, and is co-founder with former senator Norm Coleman (R-Minn.) of the American Action Network conservative group. He is now a top fundraiser for 2012 Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:44:42am |
re: #36 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
More of a cannibal thing since Big Bird isn't a puppet really.
Yeah, yeah. All the more creepy then. But hey I have read and heard cannibalism does effect your mental being.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:44:49am |
The funniest thing is the office of the Presidency has almost no direct influence or impact on employment. Everything a President can do can be undone by bigger events. And often is. Wars. The fed. Embargoes. Chinas economy. The Euro. Hurricanes and oil platforms. Manufacturing trends like the dot com boom that made our economy huge, and off shoring that hurt it so badly.
Now white collar jobs get off shored and college degrees are not as good as they used to be in making you more money.
Bottom line-This is a myth buried in a myth buried in another myth.
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JamesWI Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:45:32am |
BLS data? Made up! Those enriched uranium cakes Dick Cheney drew on a map in crayon? INVADE!
— amaeryllis (@amaeryllis) October 5, 2012
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:45:55am |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:47:12am |
re: #40 Daniel Ballard
The funniest thing is the office of the Presidency has almost no direct influence or impact on employment. Everything a President can do can be undone by bigger events. Wars. Embargoes. Chinas economy. the Euro. Manufacturing trends like the dot com boom that made our economy huge, and off shoring that hurt it so badly.
Now white collar jobs get off shored and college degrees are not as good as they used to be in making you more money.
Bottom line-This is a myth buried in a myth buried in another myth.
And part of the root of this is that I think the politicians, parties, and government do not like the fact that things *can* be totally beyond their control. So there is a desire to claim control that doesn't exist and also claim credit (and shed blame) for events that they did not actually have any effect on.
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:47:41am |
re: #42 HappyWarrior
I've heard of Malek. He's a creepy, creepy dude.
Being creepy was a pre-requisite for working in Nixon's White House. Nixon, Agnew, Haldeman, Erlcihmann, Malek, the whole lot were career creeps.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:47:54am |
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ShaunP Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:47:55am |
Pastors to challenge IRS over political endorsements, and they’re likely to get away with it
LOS ANGELES — In a matter of days, some 1,400 American pastors are planning to break the law.
And they’re likely to get away with it.
As part of “Pulpit Freedom Sunday,” on Oct. 7, religious leaders across the country will endorse political candidates — an act that flies in the face of Internal Revenue Service rules about what tax-exempt organizations, such as churches, can and cannot do.
The IRS says tax-exempt organizations, or what they refer to as a 501(c)(3), are prohibited from participating in partisan campaigning for or against political candidates. Yet, despite what’s in the rules, the agency continues to struggle to do anything about those who defy the law.
Though the regulation has been in place since 1954, in 2009, the U.S. District Court of Minnesota ruled the IRS no longer had the appropriate staff to investigate places of worship after a reorganization changed who in the agency had the authority to launch investigations...
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:48:07am |
re: #45 makeitstop
Being creepy was a pre-requisite for working in Nixon's White House. Nixon, Agnew, Haldeman, Erlcihmann, Malek, the whole lot were career creeps.
Buchanan.
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SpaceJesus Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:48:27am |
Expect October's jobs report to go through the roof due to the pickup in the tinfoil hat industry.
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Kragar Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:48:39am |
Colbert: Lying worked for Romney, so f*&k it
Colbert examined Mitt’s curious slide to the left on many of his positions.
“I will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans,” Romney insisted in one clip.
“Regulation is essential. You can’t have a functioning free market without regulation,” he said in another.
“Now you know me,” said Colbert, “I’m a staunch conservative and I condemn any Republican who distances themselves from everything he has said on the campaign trail. But it worked, so fuck it.”
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:49:10am |
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:49:16am |
Now they are just totally making shit up.
12.1M Americans out of work, & total unemployed, incl those underemployed or who have given up/dropped out INCREASED from 25.8M to 26.2M!— Monica Crowley (@MonicaCrowley) October 5, 2012
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JamesWI Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:49:17am |
This is not the parody account, I swear it:
Lefties angry about BLS accuracy claim all skeptics conspiratorialists Just like Obama.. Fighting on wrong turf+mischaracterize opponents
— Jennifer Rubin (@JRubinBlogger) October 5, 2012
lulz
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Bulworth Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:49:42am |
As part of “Pulpit Freedom Sunday,” on Oct. 7, religious leaders across the country will endorse political candidates
Freedumb
But none dare say these RWNJ pastors have a victim-complex.
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Gus Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:49:43am |
BLS jobs report was an inside job! #JobsTruthers #JobTruthers #Derp twitter.com/Gus_802/status...— Gus (@Gus_802) October 5, 2012
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:49:49am |
re: #47 ShaunP
Pastors to challenge IRS over political endorsements, and they’re likely to get away with it
How to effect political and social change through creative budgeting. Don't like the regulations? Gut the enforcement and investigative capability of the government agency charged with enforcing it.
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Bulworth Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:51:20am |
Lefties angry about BLS accuracy claim all skeptics conspiratorialists Just like Obama.. Fighting on wrong turf+mischaracterize opponents— Jennifer Rubin (@JRubinBlogger) October 5, 2012
No, I don't think I will have today's word salad. Thank you.
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Kragar Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:52:29am |
Allen West: President Obama Is ‘Absolutely’ Hiding The Real Jobs Report
"I don't see these numbers that people are talking about and I don't understand how they can come back later in this month and say that they're revising the numbers from July and August, that they go back and do another survey," he said. "So I'm very questionable of what we do see coming out of this administration because the numbers don't add up."
West was asked by the interviewer whether "the president is engaging in a coverup of the data."
"Well, absolutely," he replied.
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:53:12am |
re: #53 JamesWI
This is not the parody account, I swear it:
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lulz
I've gotten into the habit of checking the handle on those Rubin tweets. She should be embarrassed for posting such gibberish.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:53:22am |
re: #58 Kragar
Allen West: President Obama Is ‘Absolutely’ Hiding The Real Jobs Report
I can't wait for this guy to be out of a job. He thinks his job as Congressman is right wing stooge.
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Bulworth Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:53:29am |
"I don't see these numbers that people are talking about and I don't understand how they can come back later in this month and say that they're revising the numbers from July and August, that they go back and do another survey,"
Derp
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:53:37am |
re: #59 makeitstop
I've gotten into the habit of checking the handle on those Rubin tweets. She should be embarrassed for posting such gibberish.
Not as much as the Washington Post should be for hiring her.
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b_sharp Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:53:40am |
re: #17 Kragar
"All this math is based on Arabic numerals, so it just shows that Obama is implementing Sharia law in our schools."
Even worse, you need to know Algebra to figure some stuff out.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:53:56am |
re: #59 makeitstop
I've gotten into the habit of checking the handle on those Rubin tweets. She should be embarrassed for posting such gibberish.
she told me I should get a hooker!
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:56:18am |
re: #64 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
she told me I should get a hooker!
I remember that. Did you?
(I keed)
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JamesWI Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:56:30am |
Jack Welch: "Sorry, I thought a jobs report was as easy to manipulate as a quarterly earnings statement. My bad."
— The Daily Edge (@TheDailyEdge) October 5, 2012
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b_sharp Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:56:36am |
re: #40 Daniel Ballard
The funniest thing is the office of the Presidency has almost no direct influence or impact on employment. Everything a President can do can be undone by bigger events. And often is. Wars. The fed. Embargoes. Chinas economy. The Euro. Hurricanes and oil platforms. Manufacturing trends like the dot com boom that made our economy huge, and off shoring that hurt it so badly.
Now white collar jobs get off shored and college degrees are not as good as they used to be in making you more money.
Bottom line-This is a myth buried in a myth buried in another myth.
Repeated.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:57:06am |
re: #65 makeitstop
LOL.
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Blizard Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:57:06am |
These are only minimum-wage part-time jobs to staff retailers for the holidays
//
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darthstar Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:57:16am |
John McCain is a sad, sad shell of what used to be just a bitter old man.
McCain comes out as 'Jobs-Truther-Curious'livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/john-mcc... #everyoneskindabi— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) October 5, 2012
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JamesWI Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:57:47am |
re: #59 makeitstop
I've gotten into the habit of checking the handle on those Rubin tweets. She should be embarrassed for posting such gibberish.
I just sent her a tweet expressing the same idea:
@jrubinblogger You do realize that the polls all still have Obama ahead, right?Did you switch accounts with your parody @jrubinbiogger ?
— James C (@JCBadger34) October 5, 2012
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SpaceJesus Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:58:04am |
I'm hearing rumors of a second jobs report coming from behind the grassy knoll
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:58:23am |
re: #70 darthstar
John McCain is a sad, sad shell of what used to be just a bitter old man.
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You never know which McCain you're going to get. Sometimes he can be something of a voice of reason within his increasingly insane party and sometimes he goes along with the kooks. Either way, he's not the statesman I once thought he was.
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Gus Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:58:25am |
re: #72 SpaceJesus
I'm hearing rumors of a second jobs report coming from behind the grassy knoll
Fire doesn't melt jobs report.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:59:18am |
Obama knew the jobs report was going to be positive and did nothing about it because he wanted to be re-elected.
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b_sharp Fri, Oct 5, 2012 10:59:56am |
re: #73 HappyWarrior
You never know which McCain you're going to get. Sometimes he can be something of a voice of reason within his increasingly insane party and sometimes he goes along with the kooks. Either way, he's not the statesman I once thought he was.
A box of old chocolates.
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Amory Blaine Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:00:01am |
The initial derp is weak sauce even for them. Hopefully the think tanks are designing weapons grade derp as we speak. ;)
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Bulworth Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:00:15am |
12.1M Americans out of work, & total unemployed, incl those underemployed or who have given up/dropped out INCREASED from 25.8M to 26.2M!
— Monica Crowley (@MonicaCrowley) October 5, 2012
Crap. Who's the flunky at BLS who didn't fix this part?
//
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:00:20am |
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b_sharp Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:00:43am |
re: #78 Amory Blaine
The initial derp is weak sauce even for them. Hopefully the think tanks are designing weapons grade derp as we speak. ;)
That's what they're paid to do.
Derp as a goal.
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engineer cat Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:00:56am |
one day of daily tracking results after the big debate to factor in, but gallup has obama up one point today and rassmussen is unchanged
romney "wins" debate and nobody gives a shit?
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dragonfire1981 Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:01:01am |
Could it be that you know there's the little thing called Christmas coming up in a couple of months or so and companies usually hire their holiday staff around this time of year?
Just a thought.
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dragonfire1981 Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:01:36am |
re: #72 SpaceJesus
I'm hearing rumors of a second jobs report coming from behind the grassy knoll
Unskewed Jobs Report
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:01:54am |
re: #83 dragonfire1981
that hiring may play more of a role in October's numbers.
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b_sharp Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:02:22am |
re: #83 dragonfire1981
Could it be that you know there's the little thing called Christmas coming up in a couple of months or so and companies usually hire their holiday staff around this time of year?
Just a thought.
Halloween is coming up and the zombies are finally answering their iPhones.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:02:22am |
I'm really interested on how they get all these statistics on unemployed people who have "dropped out" or "given up hope." There is no program in place to capture those numbers: they just pull them right out of the anal cavity.
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Bulworth Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:02:30am |
romney "wins" debate and nobody gives a shit?
Guess winning the debate on points isn't the same thing as changing voter's minds.
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JamesWI Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:02:38am |
It's clear InTrade traders didn't get the memo that these numbers are fake.
Obama currently up 3.3 to 69.3%, Romney down 3.0 to 31.1%
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Lidane Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:03:07am |
John McCain and Allen West, two actual GOP pols, are pushing job trutherism but it's non-existent on the right. Whatever.— Danielle Blake (@DCPlod) October 5, 2012
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Blizard Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:03:26am |
re: #83 dragonfire1981
Those would not show up on this report, no? I am in wholesale/ski biz and most shops are in the hiring mode right at this moment. Some of them will turn into full-time positions but others are only temporary, like for the big-box retailers along the front range.
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darthstar Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:03:32am |
By the way, I have four free tickets to the Giants' wild card game if anybody wants them...$200 value! Or I'll sell them to you for half price!
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b_sharp Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:04:30am |
re: #93 darthstar
By the way, I have four free tickets to the Giants' wild card game if anybody wants them...$200 value! Or I'll sell them to you for half price!
If I lived there I'd take the free ones.
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Kragar Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:04:39am |
Breaking: Jobs report actually human skull with orangutan jaw and chimpanzee teeth.
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JamesWI Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:05:27am |
This guy clearly underestimates wingnuts. Being too stupid to understand hasn't stopped them before:
Job truthers will last about 48 hours. Birther types are too stupid to understand job #s, and smart(ish) ones won't like being laughed at.
— Kurt Eichenwald (@kurteichenwald) October 5, 2012
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nines09 Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:05:56am |
re: #95 Kragar
Breaking: Jobs report actually human skull with orangutan jaw and chimpanzee teeth.
Fossils! How the F!!! do they work?
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engineer cat Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:06:21am |
re: #88 Bulworth
Guess winning the debate on points isn't the same thing as changing voter's minds.
mitt proved he was capable of lying and smirking in an impressively assertive way
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SpaceJesus Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:06:22am |
Astronomers claiming visage of jobs report appearing on surface of Mars
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simoom Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:08:14am |
Romney/Ryan Rapid Response team attempts to needle Obama/Biden rapid response team, helpfully retweets their jobs graphic.
"YAY!" Said nobody.RT @truthteam2012: The unemployment rate dropped below 8% for the first time since January 2009: twitter.com/truthteam2012/…
— Leonardo Alcivar (@alcivar) October 5, 2012
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dragonath Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:09:24am |
Speaking about Jobs, I see Apple is running some kind of front-page video to that Great Capitalist Saint.
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lawhawk Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:09:25am |
Hmmm... Henry Kissinger is asked about the red line and Iran, and seems to support the current Obama Administration position (of not publicly stating its position, or what the red line would be), but that the US should act if it did cross it - and to do so without "contracting" the job to Israel.
But he then goes on to say that he's supporting Mitt and that he would conduct a responsible foreign policy.
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Kragar Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:09:31am |
re: #99 SpaceJesus
Astronomers claiming visage of jobs report appearing on surface of Mars
Did ancient astronauts leave this Job Report?
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Mocking Jay Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:09:43am |
*sigh* If I must...
Don't you get it? These numbers have to be fake! The failed policies of President Barack Hussein Obama are incapable of creating jobs! These job numbers cannot be real because these job numbers cannot be real! Jeez, why are you people so dense?
/wingnut whisperer
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:10:01am |
re: #34 Kronocide
That's not the first time it has happened. Both parties are unduly influenced by the big corporations. Both have abandoned their past principles to a profound degree. the argument the GOP is worse is correct. But "we aren't as bad as THOSE guys" is unpersuasive to me to want to join the party, or support it's minions.
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SpaceJesus Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:10:09am |
It's amazing. Conservatives want so badly for their own country to not recover that they will pull this kind of crap out of their asses at the drop of a hat.
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JamesWI Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:10:11am |
People trying to argue against this job trutherism garbage: see why Obama struggled on Wednesday?
— Danielle Blake (@DCPlod) October 5, 2012
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allegro Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:10:52am |
Republican fury over the improved job numbers is hurting them. Their desire to see the country hurt to enhance their chances for regaining power has been communicated to the low-info voters and it has hurt them.
I'm using my low-info conservative leaning friend as a bell weather. (She's the one who actually had to ask me a year or so ago if Obama was a Dem or Rep.) She votes for the candidates she likes best and that is based on only a very few parameters, party isn't much of an issue typically. Our few and far between political chats as we're out walking our dogs every evening got her interested enough to watch the debate. We met afterwards to walk and her reaction to it fascinated me. While I was sputtering about Romney's lies and Obama's failure to pound on them, she had a real different take.
Her feelings that are leading her to vote for Obama are:
1) There's a presidency learning curve and he's had 4 years to learn the job and get better at it. He's the clear choice in terms of experience for her.
2) She is PISSED at the Republican obstruction that has prevented anything getting done. It's really at the top of her list on her reasons for voting for Obama. Romney comes off to her as an in-it-for-the-power grifter. She doesn't see any more desire in him to serve the people of the country than she has seen in the rest of the party the past 4 years and it's leaving a very foul taste in her mouth.
This current GOP rage at the improved jobs numbers is going to reinforce that (OK, with a bit of help from moi).
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dragonfire1981 Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:11:08am |
re: #101 dragonath
Speaking about Jobs, I see Apple is running some kind of front-page video to that Great Capitalist Saint.
It's a tribute. It was a year ago today he passed.
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Mattand Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:11:22am |
re: #59 makeitstop
I've gotten into the habit of checking the handle on those Rubin tweets. She should be embarrassed for posting such gibberish.
I'm confused. Which one is the parody account? They're so similar that my Poe meter has burst into flames.
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lawhawk Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:12:40am |
re: #83 dragonfire1981
There are seasonal jobs, but the BLS also takes seasonal hiring into account.
They also have the raw data too: Table A-13. Employed and unemployed persons by occupation, not seasonally adjusted
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:14:11am |
re: #34 Kronocide
My feelings towards the parties differ because one party is clearly way out off the freaking deep end as compared to the other.
Oh, and lest I be misunderstood, I'm not saying to abandon a vote ever. I'm saying vote the man or woman, not the party line.
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darthstar Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:14:12am |
re: #100 simoom
Romney/Ryan Rapid Response team attempts to needle Obama/Biden rapid response team, helpfully retweets their jobs graphic.
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Shoot first! Aim later! Rapid response, but not by quick thinkers.
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JamesWI Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:14:38am |
re: #100 simoom
Romney/Ryan Rapid Response team attempts to needle Obama/Biden rapid response team, helpfully retweets their jobs graphic.
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@alcivar @truthteam2012 It's good to know that the Romney campaign isn't happy when more people find jobs.Really instructive.
— James C (@JCBadger34) October 5, 2012
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:15:03am |
Listening to MSNBC right now and the republican flack is tying himself in knots to explain that the numbers are bad, things still suck but then argues that republicans want to see things improve while trying to explain away Allen West and the rest who are calling the books cooked and complaining about good numbers.
Yes, it is as messy as I just typed it.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:15:05am |
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:15:41am |
The jobs report weighed 17 tons and made no mark on the Moondust, yet footprints can be seen beside it.
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darthstar Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:17:01am |
It has to suck when one of the core things your election campaign was banking on to help win the election doesn't pan out. Romney was counting on increasing unemployment. And the numbers will get worse for him as well, as the state by state results get shared in the coming week. Several of the battleground swing states have some of the best employment numbers they've seen in five years.
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wrenchwench Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:18:10am |
re: #112 Daniel Ballard
Oh, and lest I be misunderstood, I'm not saying to abandon a vote ever. I'm saying vote the man or woman, not the party line.
At this point, when I assess the qualities of the individual, which party he or she belongs to carries significant weight.
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kirkspencer Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:18:16am |
[edited to remove wrong opening.]
re: #87 Sheila Broflovski
I'm really interested on how they get all these statistics on unemployed people who have "dropped out" or "given up hope." There is no program in place to capture those numbers: they just pull them right out of the anal cavity.
See [Link: www.bls.gov...]
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:18:26am |
re: #119 darthstar
It has to suck when one of the core things your election campaign was banking on to help win the election doesn't pan out. Romney was counting on increasing unemployment. And the numbers will get worse for him as well, as the state by state results get shared in the coming week. Several of the battleground swing states have some of the best employment numbers they've seen in five years.
I remember reading that at one point, they wanted surrogates from the battleground states with improving economic numbers to be hush hush about about it because it ruined their narrative.
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Mattand Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:18:35am |
re: #105 Daniel Ballard
That's not the first time it has happened. Both parties are unduly influenced by the big corporations. Both have abandoned their past principles to a profound degree. the argument the GOP is worse is correct. But "we aren't as bad as THOSE guys" is unpersuasive to me to want to join the party, or support it's minions.
I get your sentiment, but this time around, you should consider the party that isn't infested with people who:
A) think Obama is a foreigner;
B) reject evolution and global warming;
C) claim that the US is a Christian nation;
D) constantly reducing taxes will fix the economy.
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JamesWI Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:18:42am |
re: #119 darthstar
It has to suck when one of the core things your election campaign was banking on to help win the election doesn't pan out. Romney was counting on increasing unemployment. And the numbers will get worse for him as well, as the state by state results get shared in the coming week. Several of the battleground swing states have some of the best employment numbers they've seen in five years.
I think I saw the numbers from the last report, Iowa and a few other states were down near 5%, Wisconsin at 7%
And Romney has a sad because more people have jobs.
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darthstar Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:19:08am |
re: #122 HappyWarrior
I remember reading that at one point, they wanted surrogates from the battleground states with improving economic numbers to be hush hush about about it because it ruined their narrative.
Except some of those surrogates are trying to get reelected right now, so they have to sing the positives.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:19:39am |
re: #120 wrenchwench
At this point, when I assess the qualities of the individual, which party he or she belongs to carries significant weight.
Truth. I've voted Republican in the past but the direction that party has gone these past four years has given me good reason to have an aversion to them especially as we get more and more national.
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Kragar Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:19:45am |
Quack sues CA, says parents will quit loving their children if they don't get ex-gay therapy
These people are the lowest form of scum.
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b_sharp Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:20:06am |
Has anyone here read Chris Mooney's "The Republican Brain"?
What did you think?
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:20:10am |
re: #125 darthstar
Except some of those surrogates are trying to get reelected right now, so they have to sing the positives.
Yep.
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dragonath Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:20:54am |
Steve Martin cuts a political ad for Bob Kerrey:
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:21:02am |
re: #124 JamesWI
I think I saw the numbers from the last report, Iowa and a few other states were down near 5%, Wisconsin at 7%
And Romney has a sad because more people have jobs.
He is the guy who said he liked to fire people so is it really surprising he's sad because job numbers are improving.
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Kragar Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:21:33am |
re: #126 HappyWarrior
Truth. I've voted Republican in the past but the direction that party has gone these past four years has given me good reason to have an aversion to them especially as we get more and more national.
I was a Republican for years until I saw how completely unhinged they became after 2008.
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darthstar Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:21:34am |
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
A million dollars from a wholly foreign owned company? Nothing to see here...move along.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:21:58am |
re: #120 wrenchwench
I felt like that until about 1990.
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wrenchwench Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:22:28am |
re: #120 wrenchwench
At this point, when I assess the qualities of the individual, which party he or she belongs to carries significant weight.
Let me specify that I mean an individual politician. I don't hold a person responsible who signed up as a Republican a while ago and hasn't paid attention since then. Although that has a meaning of its own.
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wrenchwench Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:23:00am |
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darthstar Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:23:03am |
Why the continuing media blackout over allegations that Mitt Romeny has underreported the number of children he's eaten?— David Waldman (@KagroX) October 5, 2012
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:23:48am |
re: #95 Kragar
Breaking: Jobs report actually human skull with orangutan jaw and chimpanzee teeth.
Found in a quarry idled by the failed economy?
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Kragar Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:25:24am |
Republican National Lawyers Association Plan For Losing Candidates: Challenge Absentee Voters
Republican lawyers have a plan for their candidates who lose on Election Day: send operatives to absentee voters’ homes and challenge their ballots.
Christine Svenson, a vice chair of the Republican National Lawyers Association, warned repeatedly about absentee voter fraud during a panel at the Colorado Conservative Political Action Conference on Thursday. To combat such fraud, Svenson recommended that campaigns gather the names of local absentee voters and search their addresses on Google to “make sure that those buildings are not crack houses, row houses, slumlord houses.” For the record, people who live in row houses or who have abusive landlords do not lose their right to vote. Neither do people unfortunate enough to live in the same building as a drug dealer.
At the end of the panel, Svenson was asked how to handle unfavorable election results. Her answer strongly suggested that Republicans should try to change the result of the election by challenging absentee ballots:
Seriously, what the fuck is this shit?
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Mocking Jay Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:26:06am |
You Mess With Big Bird, You Mess With La Forge [Levar Burton on Defunding PBS] themarysue.com/levar-burton-r…
— The Mary Sue (@The_MarySue) October 5, 2012
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Eventual Carrion Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:26:15am |
re: #61 Bulworth
"I don't see these numbers that people are talking about and I don't understand how they can come back later in this month and say that they're revising the numbers from July and August, that they go back and do another survey,"
Derp
Just retroactive, like retirement.
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Kragar Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:26:16am |
re: #139 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Found in a quarry idled by the failed economy?
It got shut down when the parent company sold its assets to pay off investors and then fired all the workers.
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skullkrusher Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:26:57am |
I am a fan of Jack Welch but... why Jack, why?
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Blizard Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:27:22am |
I voted for GWB. Twice.
Suffice it to say- things have changed and this former Republican has no regrets for changing my views. Maturity has a lot to do with it on my end, too.
I also bawled my eyes out and saluted Reagan at his funeral procession. In spite of what I know now about his term as President, I still like the man who he was.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:27:33am |
re: #133 Kragar
I was a Republican for years until I saw how completely unhinged they became after 2008.
I've always leaned Democratic but there were Republicans I liked here on the local level: Tom Davis who teaches a class that a few of my friends were in and John Warner who I respect a lot for opposing Bork and later Oliver North.
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Kragar Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:27:35am |
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wrenchwench Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:27:54am |
re: #141 Kragar
Republican National Lawyers Association Plan For Losing Candidates: Challenge Absentee Voters
Seriously, what the fuck is this shit?
Desperation in the face of demographic reality.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:28:46am |
re: #142 Mocking Jay
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Reading Rainbow was awesome. We watched it a bit in class when I was in grade school.
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wrenchwench Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:28:48am |
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:29:41am |
re: #150 wrenchwench
Desperation in the face of demographic reality.
That's true. The money, manpower and time spent trying to challenge enough votes to swing an election would hardly be worth it.
Throwing good money after bad. Let 'em do it, I say. I doubt they're going to overturn many elections that way.
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wrenchwench Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:30:36am |
re: #152 HappyWarrior
Reading Rainbow was awesome. We watched it a bit in class when I was in grade school.
PBS IS UTILIZED TO BRANEWARSH ARE YOUTHS!
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dragonath Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:31:14am |
re: #141 Kragar
Once upon a time (only about a decade ago!) absentee voters were generally a Republican leaning constituency. It's this kind of moronic message control that ends up having them spite their own face. Or as Zappa, put it, the Big Stupid.
Case in point (Daily Caller link):
Ohio’s early absentee ballot requests and cleaned-up voter rolls point to Romney blowout
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simoom Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:31:45am |
re: #145 skullkrusher
I am a fan of Jack Welch but... why Jack, why?
Maybe he'll try and explain when he derps it up with Cavuto in an hour and a half (//):
BREAKING: Jack Welch will appear on Fox News at 4pm on Neil Cavuto's show— Jake Beckman (@jakebeckman) October 5, 2012
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:32:09am |
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darthstar Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:32:38am |
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b_sharp Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:32:49am |
re: #164 Sheila Broflovski
Speaking of FBV, where is he?
Busy, taking a break. He said he'll be back.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:33:04am |
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skullkrusher Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:33:27am |
re: #163 simoom
Even Rick Santelli seemed astonished by the conspiracy. Rick friggin Santelli. When Santelli is speaking with more sense than you are, it's time for some serious self reflection.
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Gus Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:34:05am |
re: #167 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
You'd think Gus' would be a cat flying an invisible plane.
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Lidane Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:34:23am |
Heh:
To understand how to rig jobs numbers, you have to understand Kenyan anti-colonial thinking.— daveweigel (@daveweigel) October 5, 2012
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darthstar Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:34:53am |
re: #169 skullkrusher
Even Rick Santelli seemed astonished by the conspiracy. Rick friggin Santelli. When Santelli is speaking with more sense than you are, it's time for some serious self reflection.
Santelli's torn between hating Obama and trying to retain some credibility in his profession.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:36:43am |
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:37:23am |
Invisible me... running to the bank.
Catch y'all later.
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Lidane Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:37:33am |
McCain Spox: 'He's Not Questioning The BLS Numbers In Any Way' livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/mccain-s... via @evanmc_s— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) October 5, 2012
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BeenHereAwhile Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:38:16am |
re: #45 makeitstop
re: #42 HappyWarrior
I've heard of Malek. He's a creepy, creepy dude.
Being creepy was a pre-requisite for working in Nixon's White House. Nixon, Agnew, Haldeman, Erlcihmann, Malek, the whole lot were career creeps.
Funny you should mention that.
The acronym for the Nixon Re-election Campaign was:
CREEP (Committee for the Re-Election of the President)
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Mocking Jay Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:38:19am |
re: #179 Lidane
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I watched that video a couple of times. It really seemed to me like he was questioning the numbers.
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JamesWI Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:38:35am |
There's no way a 0.2 drop in unemployment is possible, but ladyparts can kill malevolent sperm.
— Danielle Blake (@DCPlod) October 5, 2012
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:39:01am |
re: #179 Lidane
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Maybe John should consider giving up tweeting or making remarks until he thinks a little bit.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:39:13am |
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b_sharp Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:39:38am |
re: #184 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Maybe John should consider giving up tweeting or making remarks until he thinks a little bit.
He's already thinking a little bit. Too little.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:40:19am |
By the way, about that Nixon-era goon Fred Malek -- he recently showed up again as an adviser to Sarah Palin.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:40:23am |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:40:50am |
re: #185 HappyWarrior
McCain can really be a passive aggressive shithead at times.
It's "eh eh, nudge, nudge" behavior. Except that it's not funny, and when done in the political sphere it makes you look like an asshole since you make implications and are unwilling to stand behind them when called on it.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:41:23am |
re: #188 Charles Johnson
By the way, about that Nixon-era goon Fred Malek -- he recently showed up again as an adviser to Sarah Palin.
Yep. I remember hearing about that. And he also got some mentions when the wingnuts were hooping and hollering over Obama's dog eating. Malek was convicted with some friends of burning a dog to death in a park in his early 20's.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:41:45am |
[Link: cheezburger.com...]
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:41:58am |
re: #191 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
It's "eh eh, nudge, nudge" behavior. Except that it's not funny, and when done in the political sphere it makes you look like an asshole since you make implications and are unwilling to stand behind them when called on it.
Well yeah, as I said passive aggressive. Really, it's too bad. I didn't agree with the guy on much but I thought he was better than this.
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dragonath Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:42:10am |
The Rasmussen/We Ask America polls today are weirdly co-ordinated.
Both polling houses have a strong Republican house effect, per Nate Silver.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:42:49am |
re: #196 dragonath
The Rasmussen/We Ask America polls today are weirdly co-ordinated.
Both polling houses have a strong Republican house effect, per Nate Silver.
Knew Rasmussen did. Had a feeling about We Ask America considering what you just mentioned.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:43:15am |
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:43:39am |
re: #195 HappyWarrior
Well yeah, as I said passive aggressive. Really, it's too bad. I didn't agree with the guy on much but I thought he was better than this.
He was, before 2008.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:44:19am |
re: #199 Reverend Mother Ramallo
He was, before 2008.
I know. I get the impression he can't stand Romney though.
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JamesWI Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:46:21am |
Polls: Obama Up By 61 Among Latinos In Nevada, 30 In Florida
President Barack Obama owns commanding leads among Latino voters in two heavily targeted swing states, new polling data released Thursday shows.
According to Latino Decisions, Obama claims a colossal lead among Nevada Latinos, 78 percent to 17 percent. The margin is narrower in Florida, with its high population of right-leaning Cuban-Americans, but the president still dominates among the voting bloc, 61 percent to 31 percent.
Game. Over.
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A Mom Anon Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:46:25am |
re: #201 HappyWarrior
I get the feeling that's the rule rather than the exception with Mittens.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:46:48am |
re: #201 HappyWarrior
I know. I get the impression he can't stand Romney though.
I don't think any of them do.
There are some funny videos of Santorum, Gingrich, Perry, etc. calling Mitt a liar downstairs.
Last I heard, Huckabee hated being around him in 2008.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:50:31am |
re: #202 JamesWI
Polls: Obama Up By 61 Among Latinos In Nevada, 30 In Florida
Game. Over.
Well, we're going to hear "He should have picked Rubio" but I really don't think Rubio would have really helped him. Maybe a little but I think to the Latino community it would have been seen how many women saw Palin.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:50:49am |
HA!
Big Pimpin RT @nycsouthpaw: The Daily Caller front at this hour. twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/st…
— Weed Dude (@weeddude) October 5, 2012
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JamesWI Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:53:09am |
re: #207 Mocking Jay
HA!
[Embedded content]
cc: James O'Keefe III. RT @rosiegray: so, Big Bird as a pimp wouldn't be a terrible Halloween costume
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) October 5, 2012
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dragonath Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:53:46am |
Hey, there's that Pit O' Hell thing again:
Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA): Evolution, Big Bang ‘Lies Straight From The Pit Of Hell’
By the way, he sits on the science committee.
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erik_t Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:55:32am |
When you unskew this jobs report, it's actually great news for John McCain.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:55:53am |
re: #210 dragonath
Hey, there's that Pit O' Hell thing again:
Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA): Evolution, Big Bang ‘Lies Straight From The Pit Of Hell’
By the way, he sits on the science committee.
He also compared Obama to Hitler before Obama even got his luggage in the White House. Really why do we elect guys like this? I mean damn.
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JamesWI Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:57:32am |
As previous RT noted: Weds, Romney quoted Unemployment # to bash POTUS. Yesterday, Fox, RWNJs did same. Today they question honesty of # !
— Keith Olbermann (@KeithOlbermann) October 5, 2012
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Patricia Kayden Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:58:32am |
So happy to see the unemployment rate down a bit more. Let the Wingnuts rage on. They need to conserve some of that rage for Election Night. Thought nothing could bring them down from their debate sugar high.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:58:36am |
re: #212 HappyWarrior
He also compared Obama to Hitler before Obama even got his luggage in the White House. Really why do we elect guys like this? I mean damn.
You know that Youtube video of "Obamaphone Woman" that wingnuts keep tweeting as a "typical Democrat," this is the Republican equivalent of "Obamaphone Woman" only instead of some random unnamed person, this is an elected member of Congress!
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 5, 2012 11:59:46am |
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:00:28pm |
re: #215 Sheila Broflovski
You know that Youtube video of "Obamaphone Woman" that wingnuts keep tweeting as a "typical Democrat," this is the Republican equivalent of "Obamaphone Woman" only instead of some random unnamed person, this is an elected member of Congress!
There's a ton like him too in Congress.
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dragonath Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:02:31pm |
re: #212 HappyWarrior
This video is comedy gold. I mean, you've got a chorus of people saying "aaamen" in the background, a politician doing his best Elmer Gantry impression, and an insane background assemblage of dead deers.
The Republican party keeps putting people like this in a position to influence education and yet there are still people willing to rationalize this away for a Romney victory.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:03:17pm |
re: #137 wrenchwench
First Here in California Republican is a lot different than say Texas. I first got political in the anti busing fight. Then I saw "my" former party abandon California as far as spending money or time. Then I saw how the other side ran and runs the state.
Both lost my confidence and faith at that point.
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Kragar Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:04:34pm |
re: #210 dragonath
Hey, there's that Pit O' Hell thing again:
Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA): Evolution, Big Bang ‘Lies Straight From The Pit Of Hell’
By the way, he sits on the science committee.
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b_sharp Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:05:36pm |
re: #210 dragonath
Hey, there's that Pit O' Hell thing again:
Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA): Evolution, Big Bang ‘Lies Straight From The Pit Of Hell’
By the way, he sits on the science committee.
He's surrounded by dead animals.
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Kragar Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:08:00pm |
re: #221 reflections of a raging redneck
He's surrounded by dead animals.
Plus, look at all those deer heads...
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b_sharp Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:08:20pm |
re: #218 dragonath
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This video is comedy gold. I mean, you've got a chorus of people saying "aaamen" in the background, a politician doing his best Elmer Gantry impression, and an insane background assemblage of dead deers.
The Republican party keeps putting people like this in a position to influence education and yet there are still people willing to rationalize this away for a Romney victory.
[Edited]my FU. My ears are old.
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Kragar Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:09:42pm |
According to accounts from multiple coal miners, employees were forced to attend the event without pay. “Just for the record, if we did not go, we knew what would happen,” said one miner in a letter to a local radio station. Weeks later, Romney’s campaign featured images of the coal miners in a pro-coal ad. (The Obama campaign hit back this week with an ad claiming Romney used coal workers as “props”).
But that was just the tip of the iceberg. An expose from New Republic Senior Editor Alec MacGillis shows that Murray Energy is doing far more than requiring employees to spend uncompensated time at campaign events — the company is actually requiring them to donate to GOP candidates like Romney:
The accounts of two sources who have worked in managerial positions at the firm, and a review of letters and memos to Murray employees, suggest that coercion may also explain Murray staffers’ financial support for Romney. Murray, it turns out, has for years pressured salaried employees to give to the Murray Energy political action committee (PAC) and to Republican candidates chosen by the company. Internal documents show that company officials track who is and is not giving. The sources say that those who do not give are at risk of being demoted or missing out on bonuses, claims Murray denies.
The Murray sources, who requested anonymity for fear of retribution, came forward separately. But they painted similar pictures of the fund-raising operation. “There’s a lot of coercion,” says one of them. “I just wanted to work, but you feel this constant pressure that, if you don’t contribute, your job’s at stake. You’re compelled to do this whether you want to or not.” Says the second: “They will give you a call if you’re not giving. . . . It’s expected you give Mr. Murray what he asks for.”
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jc717 Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:10:10pm |
re: #210 dragonath
Hey, there's that Pit O' Hell thing again:
Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA): Evolution, Big Bang ‘Lies Straight From The Pit Of Hell’
By the way, he sits on the science committee.
This nice Christian family man is on his 4th marriage... Can't these wackos even stay consistent within their fantasy world rules?
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dragonfire1981 Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:12:48pm |
re: #225 Kragar
This needs to be on the front page. There's MULTIPLE federal law violations going on there.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:12:59pm |
re: #226 jc717
This nice Christian family man is on his 4th marriage... Can't these wackos even stay consistent within their fantasy world rules?
He could take all 4 at once, like Jacob...
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dragonfire1981 Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:13:05pm |
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b_sharp Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:13:16pm |
re: #225 Kragar
Well, it is Murray Energy's money after all.
I have heard more than a few on the right make the claim that the money an employer pays to an employee remains the employer's money so that taxes paid on it are taxes paid by the employer.
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Kragar Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:14:32pm |
re: #232 reflections of a raging redneck
Well, it is Murray Energy's money after all.
I have heard more than a few on the right make the claim that the money an employer pays to an employee remains the employer's money so that taxes paid on it are taxes paid by the employer.
By that logic, the money the employer has remains the government's money because that is who they got it from.
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b_sharp Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:15:08pm |
re: #231 dragonfire1981
I thought all the thugs were in Unions?
Union Thugs™ is trademarked so it can't be used to describe anybody else.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:28:20pm |
re: #12 SophistFCD
Pretty soon they'll be saying the whole concept of numbers is a liberal conspiracy.
Mel and Norma Gabler were career school textbook protest pests for decades in Texas. They actually did claim at one point that certain types of math are a liberal conspiracy.
They consistently have opposed texts that provide students with open-ended questions, include sex education or depict women in nontraditional roles, and history textbooks that devote "too much" space to the Vietnam War, Watergate, poverty or slavery. "When a student reads in a math book that there are no absolutes, suddenly every value he's been taught is destroyed," Mel Gabler has said. "And the next thing you know, the student turns to crime and drugs."
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wrenchwench Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:35:13pm |
re: #219 Daniel Ballard
First Here in California Republican is a lot different than say Texas. I first got political in the anti busing fight. Then I saw "my" former party abandon California as far as spending money or time. Then I saw how the other side ran and runs the state.
Both lost my confidence and faith at that point.
I grew up in Orange County, I know what California Republicans are like.
You were anti-busing? The way they settled it in Fullerton was to close the school where most of the Hispanics were (it was even more segregated then than it is now) and bus them all over the rest of the district. Really hurt the neighborhood.
So are you saying that before 1990 you judged people more on what party they belonged to than you do now, because you realized that they both suck?
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:50:43pm |
re: #210 dragonath
Hey, there's that Pit O' Hell thing again:
Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA): Evolution, Big Bang ‘Lies Straight From The Pit Of Hell’
By the way, he sits on the science committee.
This is why it makes no sense, under current circumstances, to "vote the person, not the party". So what if your local Republican congressional candidate is a fine, upstanding sort? If you vote for him/her, you're just voting to give the Not-From-This-Reality Party continued control over the operations of Congress.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:12:35pm |
re: #236 wrenchwench
I gave more weight to party than I do now, which is about zero.
Yes I was and am devoutly anti forced busing of kids to distant schools. If the local schools suck, fix them. Adding a long bus commute and a strange (In some cases dangerous) neighborhood to the learning experience is not helpful to a persons education. It's putting social engineering ahead of educating them.
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labman57 Fri, Oct 5, 2012 6:31:42pm |
This was inevitable.
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Because if it conflicts with the message of their rhetoric, then it must be part of a grand conspiracy to deceive the American public.
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