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1 Gus  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 2:50:00pm
2 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 2:52:01pm

Getting his clock cleaned in the first debate woke ma' man up.

3 freetoken  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 2:52:38pm

I wonder how many of those young women laughing behind the President in that video will actually vote in Nov?

4 JamesWI  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 2:55:00pm

(Reposted from downstairs in case GDF is in here now)

re: #254 goddamnedfrank

One weird assumption that polls make is that admittedly bad data can be stacked to produce nominally larger and more trustworthy samples. Look at the CNN/ORC poll, there's only two age categories, under 50 and over 50. Now the under 50's have a margin of error of +/- 8.5, which is the very highest their stated methodology allows before they'll simply not publish the number because it's too unreliable. Now their over 50 sample has a MOE of +/- 4.5, meaning that they oversampled the hell out of the over 50 crowd vs. everyone younger. However when it comes time to publish results they add all the ages together and claim an overall margin of error of +/- 4. In other words the sheer badness of their sampling of younger voters is forgotten and the overall sample is given an MOE @ a so called 95% certainty that's nominally better than either of the constituent results.

One thing I'm not getting from these crosstabs:

In the intro, it says the Party ID for the LVs is 32%D, 32%R, 36% I (which is already sketchy).

But in all the questions where they break it down between parties, the Republican MOE is 6.0%, the Independents MOE is at 6.5%, and the Dems MOE is at 7.0%.

So....how does that happen when there are supposedly the same amount of Dems and Repubs, and more indies?

Looks to me like CNN is just really bad at conducting polls.

5 darthstar  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 2:55:06pm

I like the Romnesia thing, but I think it needs to be paired with harder selling of his accomplishments. Humor is great, but it doesn't swing voters or motivate the ones you have.

6 Gus  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 2:56:40pm
7 freetoken  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 2:57:13pm

re: #4 JamesWI

Please see my reply to gdf.

There are so many assumptions (and presumptions) going on with these "polls" that I have pretty much dismissed them as being predictors.

They are important in rallying the troops in a way that parallels the cheerleaders at football games. Generally speaking, the masses tend to go for bigger boobs on their cheerleaders.

8 freetoken  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 2:58:54pm

Either the GOP candidate suffers from Romnesia... or Mittzophrenia.

9 elizajane  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 2:59:00pm

Don't worry, Mitt keeps track of the other Mitts.
He's got them all in a binder.

10 JamesWI  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:00:13pm

re: #7 freetoken

Please see my reply to gdf.

There are so many assumptions (and presumptions) going on with these "polls" that I have pretty much dismissed them as being predictors.

They are important in rallying the troops in a way that parallels the cheerleaders at football games. Generally speaking, the masses tend to go for bigger boobs on their cheerleaders.

I'm just wondering how it is possible for the math to work out like that. How the poll can have 36% indies and 32% for each Dems and Repubs, yet wind up with MOE's like that for questions that break down by party.

It's been a while since I've taken my statistics classes, so I could definitely be missing something here. But if there are more independents than Republicans in the poll......shouldn't the MOE be lower for independents than Republicans? What am I missing?

11 blueraven  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:00:58pm

re: #4 JamesWI

(Reposted from downstairs in case GDF is in here now)

re: #254 goddamnedfrank

One thing I'm not getting from these crosstabs:

In the intro, it says the Party ID for the LVs is 32%D, 32%R, 36% I (which is already sketchy).

But in all the questions where they break it down between parties, the Republican MOE is 6.0%, the Independents MOE is at 6.5%, and the Dems MOE is at 7.0%.

So....how does that happen when there are supposedly the same amount of Dems and Repubs, and more indies?

Looks to me like CNN is just really bad at conducting polls.

I think we make a mistake cherry picking the polls.

Yes, this may not be a great poll. But generally, most of the polls in FL are leaning to Romney.

Better to take the trend seriously.
Obama doesn't need FL but he must keep Ohio and the midwest, Nevada

12 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:01:19pm

re: #4 JamesWI

(Reposted from downstairs in case GDF is in here now)

re: #254 goddamnedfrank

One thing I'm not getting from these crosstabs:

In the intro, it says the Party ID for the LVs is 32%D, 32%R, 36% I (which is already sketchy).

But in all the questions where they break it down between parties, the Republican MOE is 6.0%, the Independents MOE is at 6.5%, and the Dems MOE is at 7.0%.

So....how does that happen when there are supposedly the same amount of Dems and Repubs, and more indies?

Looks to me like CNN is just really bad at conducting polls.

They're discounting Dems more in the likely voter screen. That's fair, the average Republican despite their lower numbers trends older and like zombies will stumble to the polls even if half their chest is missing.

Now I don't know the Florida registration breakdown enough to gauge if the initial registered voter sample is accurate or not.

13 Gus  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:01:36pm
14 JamesWI  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:03:12pm

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

They're discounting Dems more in the likely voter screen. That's fair, the average Republican despite their lower numbers trends older and like zombies will stumble to the polls even if half their chest is missing.

Now I don't know the Florida registration breakdown enough to gauge if the initial registered voter sample is accurate or not.

But the 32/32/36 split was supposedly their numbers from the LVs, not the RVs. So either I'm completely misremembering what I learned about margin of error, or something in their data/math is way off.

15 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:03:37pm

Analyzing unfavorable polls to death is the #1 parlor game on Freep.

16 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:04:28pm

re: #11 blueraven

I think we make a mistake cherry picking the polls.

Yes, this may not be a great poll. But generally, most of the polls in FL are leaning to Romney.

Better to take the trend seriously.
Obama doesn't need FL but he must keep Ohio and the midwest, Nevada

There are some fundamental problems with the CNN/ORC poll delineated in the previous thread. They look to have grossly under sampled younger voters and minorities. This is exacerbated by the fact that they only publish two age groups, over 50 / under 50 and only barely managed to get enough under 50's and non-whites to publish. They were right at their max allowable MOE for both those groups.

17 Charleston Chew  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:05:03pm

re: #3 freetoken

I wonder how many of those young women laughing behind the President in that video will actually vote in Nov?

I'm guessing nearly all of them. Going to a rally demonstrates their commitment.

18 A Mom Anon  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:06:38pm

re: #17 Charleston Chew

I was going to say,why would they show up for a political rally and then not be at all politically engaged? Makes no sense. Hopefully some of them have even voted already.

19 blueraven  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:07:00pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

There are some fundamental problems with the CNN/ORC poll delineated in the previous thread. They look to have grossly under sampled younger voters and minorities. This is exacerbated by the fact that they only publish two age groups, over 50 / under 50 and only barely managed to get enough under 50's and non-whites to publish. They were right at their max allowable MOE for both those groups.

Yes, I read all that. But again, it is the trendline. Look at previous CNN polls and other recent polls.

20 JamesWI  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:07:08pm

re: #15 Decatur Deb

Analyzing unfavorable polls to death is the #1 parlor game on Freep.

I'm not necessarily analyzing it to make it look better for Obama. If I had to guess right now, I wouldn't think Obama will win Florida. (And definitely not by 7% like their RV polling shows). Not unless he trounces Romney even worse in this next debate (which is certainly possible)

I'm just questioning the math they're putting out there, because it just doesn't seem to make sense.

21 freetoken  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:07:55pm

re: #10 JamesWI

The actual number of data points is so small and similar for any category that the so called MOE isn't much different, and when rounded to two significant digits I'm not surprised they come out as something other than what one might think otherwise.

Remember, this whole "margin of error" idea is itself suspect, and depends upon what one considers the "truth", or true value, if you want to connect your measurements (literally, statistics) with the real universe.

Besides the under-sampling problem, and the non-blind-ness of the data collection, these polls suffer from not having an absolute truth to measure. By which I mean there really are people around today whose choice in a couple of weeks may still change.

22 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:08:21pm

re: #5 darthstar

I like the Romnesia thing, but I think it needs to be paired with harder selling of his accomplishments. Humor is great, but it doesn't swing voters or motivate the ones you have.

Yeah, this is slightly better that the Big Bird thing but it's still nonsense from a policy standpoint. I guess it's mostly marketing executives selling candidates with catch phrases and slogans. It might work to sway some low information undecided voters but doesn't really contribute to the conversation about the problems facing the country.

23 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:09:03pm

re: #20 JamesWI

I'm not necessarily analyzing it to make it look better for Obama. If I had to guess right now, I wouldn't think Obama will win Florida. (And definitely not by 7% like their RV polling shows). Not unless he trounces Romney even worse in this next debate (which is certainly possible)

I'm just questioning the math they're putting out there, because it just doesn't seem to make sense.

Wife and I voted today so we would be available for a last minute dash to FL. If I don't like the data, I change the reality a bit.

24 freetoken  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:10:24pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

... I guess it's mostly marketing executives selling candidates with catch phrases and slogans....

MP3 Audio
25 JamesWI  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:11:07pm

re: #21 freetoken

The actual number of data points is so small and similar for any category that the so called MOE isn't much different, and when rounded to two significant digits I'm not surprised they come out as something other than what one might think otherwise.

Remember, this whole "margin of error" idea is itself suspect, and depends upon what one considers the "truth", or true value, if you want to connect your measurements (literally, statistics) with the real universe.

Besides the under-sampling problem, and the non-blind-ness of the data collection, these polls suffer from not having an absolute truth to measure. By which I mean there really are people around today whose choice in a couple of weeks may still change.

Well alright. It's been a good five years or so since my last actual experience with statistics (in a class at law school), and I have avoided math like the plague since then, so I'm sure the number of things I've forgotten is much larger than the number of things I remember.

26 Charleston Chew  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:11:23pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Yeah, this is slightly better that the Big Bird thing but it's still nonsense from a policy standpoint. I guess it's mostly marketing executives selling candidates with catch phrases and slogans. It might work to sway some low information undecided voters but doesn't really contribute to the conversation about the problems facing the country.

Pointing out that Romney speaks out of both sides of his mouth is not nonsense. It's very important.

And don't blame the candidates for what works and what doesn't in a campaign. Blame the voters.

27 freetoken  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:12:42pm

re: #25 JamesWI

This whole polling meme is simply blinding them with statistics.

28 Gus  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:12:49pm
29 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:13:07pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Yeah, this is slightly better that the Big Bird thing but it's still nonsense from a policy standpoint.

Personal integrity matters to some people.

Not you, apparently, but some people.

30 blueraven  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:13:37pm

re: #26 Charleston Chew

Pointing out that Romney speaks out of both sides of his mouth is not nonsense. It's very important.

And don't blame the candidates for what works and what doesn't in a campaign. Blame the voters.

Yep, no one is going to be introducing any new policy right now. It is all about enthusiasm and GOTV.

31 freetoken  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:16:17pm

The only poll that counts, on Nov 6, will have a sampling of not 600 or 900 people, but of around 110 million people.

There are counting errors in actual votes, but the errors are much much smaller than in these media "polls".

And, as I asserted earlier, there are people out there whose vote on Nov. 6 is still not conscious to them. Deep down they may have made a decision, but they couldn't expound upon it today.

32 A Mom Anon  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:16:29pm

re: #30 blueraven

Yep,if we don't know what a candidate plans to do as President by now,well,then they've done a totally sucky job of telling the country.There's really no excuse for that,not with all the forms of media available these days. I don't trust someone who can't tell me in pretty simple terms what their plans are.

The truth is pretty easy to tell,doesn't take long. A lie takes a lot longer and is alot more work to keep afloat. Just sayin'....

33 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:16:42pm

re: #26 Charleston Chew

And don't blame the candidates for what works and what doesn't in a campaign. Blame the voters.

I think the voters deserve most of the blame. We don't hold our leaders to a very high standard and cheer stupid slogans and vapid rhetoric. If someone did decide to display real leadership and focus on complex issues and hard decisions I don't think the public would like it very much. I would like to see our leaders try although I don't think it would be well received.

34 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:17:01pm

Oh yeah, the new Donald Fagen album is out and it's fantastic.

35 blueraven  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:23:36pm

New Fox News poll: Obama leads Romney 46%-43% among likely voters in Ohio. Obama job approval at 53%

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]


Fox Florida poll
Mitt Romney now tops Barack Obama in the battleground state by 48 percent to 45 percent.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

36 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:24:22pm

Obama's having a little fun at Romney's expense on the campaign trail. I don't see the harm in that.

37 Tigger2  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:24:42pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

I think the voters deserve most of the blame. We don't hold our leaders to a very high standard and cheer stupid slogans and vapid rhetoric. If someone did decide to display real leadership and focus on complex issues and hard decisions I don't think the public would like it very much. I would like to see our leaders try although I don't think it would be well received.

And right now the Republicans are rewarding lying by supporting Romney and Ryan, what does that say about our country.

38 darthstar  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:26:48pm

Hitler Gangnam Style

Youtube Video
39 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:27:13pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Weather In My Head is my fave on that new release.

40 engineer cat  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:27:33pm

re: #15 Decatur Deb

Analyzing unfavorable polls to death is the #1 parlor game on Freep.

any inconvenient information can be wished away by saying "well, he's a liberal"

41 b_sharp  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:29:01pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

I think the voters deserve most of the blame. We don't hold our leaders to a very high standard and cheer stupid slogans and vapid rhetoric. If someone did decide to display real leadership and focus on complex issues and hard decisions I don't think the public would like it very much. I would like to see our leaders try although I don't think it would be well received.

The health system, pay-equity, and Afghanistan, as a small sample, aren't complex issues?

42 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:29:33pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

It contributes less than nothing. The snidey phrases, from whichever side, make it harder for us to work together for the common good; & the 2 party system is a splitting tool to alienate us from each other, so that the corrupt politicians can run the country as a private club for their own benefit. It sucks, and every 4 years it rises to a fever pitch.

43 b_sharp  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:29:48pm

re: #38 darthstar

Hitler Gangnam Style

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I didn't make that.

44 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:31:31pm

Dogwalk. BBL

45 JamesWI  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:32:22pm

One thing I've always found most ridiculous about the faux-outrage from the right, that said "It can't be inspired by the video AND be a terrorist attack!!!"

It wasn't like this was a complicated plot that required months or years of planning. This was basically "Hey, let's get a bunch of guys and weapons and storm the place."

46 allegro  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:33:22pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Yeah, this is slightly better that the Big Bird thing but it's still nonsense from a policy standpoint. I guess it's mostly marketing executives selling candidates with catch phrases and slogans. It might work to sway some low information undecided voters but doesn't really contribute to the conversation about the problems facing the country.

The biggest problem in the country today is the Republican party.

47 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:35:14pm

re: #46 allegro

The biggest problem in the country today is the Republican party.

Not so. IMHO it is the party squabbling per se.

48 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:36:11pm

BBL time to make coffee.

49 blueraven  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:36:30pm

re: #47 Ojoe

Not so. IMHO it is the party squabbling per se.

How about the lack of ability to compromise at all.
It is a dirty word.

50 jamesfirecat  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:37:00pm

re: #42 Ojoe

It contributes less than nothing. The snidey phrases, from whichever side, make it harder for us to work together for the common good; & the 2 party system is a splitting tool to alienate us from each other, so that the corrupt politicians can run the country as a private club for their own benefit. It sucks, and every 4 years it rises to a fever pitch.

Math says that so long as we embrace the first to post/winner take all style of
Voting for president, then third parties do not have a chance.

Want me to explain why?

51 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:37:13pm

Here'sa boring towercam in the meanwhile.

52 Mattand  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:37:25pm

Made my first overtly political act today: donated $50 to Obama. It ain't much, but quite frankly, letting the Republicans back in the White House is... well, go look at October 2008 for your answer.

53 allegro  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:38:21pm

re: #47 Ojoe

Not so. IMHO it is the party squabbling per se.

Per se? Why are the parties squabbling? Could it be because the GOP puts party and power befor the country? How the hell can ANY problems be addressed when it is the stated goal of one party to obstruct any and all positive progress in order to regain power for itself?

I stand by my statement.

54 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:39:10pm

re: #42 Ojoe

It contributes less than nothing. The snidey phrases, from whichever side, make it harder for us to work together for the common good; & the 2 party system is a splitting tool to alienate us from each other, so that the corrupt politicians can run the country as a private club for their own benefit. It sucks, and every 4 years it rises to a fever pitch.

I don't think the two party system is the problem. It has its faults but it's the way we treat the two party system and a tribal death match. It would be more helpful to think of it as being trapped in a room with one other person and the only way out is to cooperate.

55 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:39:35pm

re: #38 darthstar

Hitler Gangnam Style

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Almost 5,000,000 views? Hitler sure can pack em in...

56 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:40:41pm

re: #47 Ojoe

Not so. IMHO it is the party squabbling per se.

I think it's weirdos who talk about gay ass shit like alpha males and gravitas while condoning elitist, bigoted, racist religious fanatics.

57 JamesWI  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:41:32pm

Watch this video and tell me you don't think he looks and sounds drunk:

Never mind that the content of pretty much everything he is saying is a joke.

58 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:42:45pm

re: #54 Killgore Trout

I don't think the two party system is the problem. It has its faults but it's the way we treat the two party system and a tribal death match. It would be more helpful to think of it as being trapped in a room with one other person and the only way out is to cooperate.

More like being trapped in a room with three other people and thinking the only way out is to bash the queer and agree that the woman's body is up for grabs.

59 JamesWI  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:43:27pm

Regarding the Salt Lake Tribune endorsement - They endorsed Bush in 00 and 04, but endorsed Obama last time and are generally considered liberal.

60 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:43:47pm

Whoa that's harsh

61 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:43:50pm

We're getting a handle on the server problems now, finally. Found several problems that we fixed.

62 Charleston Chew  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:45:11pm

re: #42 Ojoe

It contributes less than nothing. The snidey phrases, from whichever side, make it harder for us to work together for the common good; & the 2 party system is a splitting tool to alienate us from each other, so that the corrupt politicians can run the country as a private club for their own benefit. It sucks, and every 4 years it rises to a fever pitch.

I think you have that backwards. The parties are an effect of people's disagreements, not the cause of them.

And corruption does not design the system, anymore than mildew designed my shower tile. It just inevitably happens.

63 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:46:09pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

And as you said the poll feature is now working perfect. Heh, not a scientific poll (not by a long shot) but I say it's fair to characterize the poll respondents as "likely voters".

64 JamesWI  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:49:01pm

I'm sure KT will find something in there to declare "FAKE OUTRAGE!!!!"

65 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:49:03pm

Romney is flying Jerome Corsi around on his jet. That's just a naked endorsement of racist, bigoted, birther bullshit as a campaign strategy.

Oh, but yeah, both sides are bad lol.

66 Charleston Chew  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:49:09pm

re: #47 Ojoe

Not so. IMHO it is the party squabbling per se.

Which has been the heart of Republican strategy for 4 years or more. They set the trap and you fell for it.

Their strategy was to oppose the President on EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME, even stuff they support before, so people like you will will say, "I've had it with all the partisan bickering," and the GOP will say, "I know, right? Ain't it awful? Vote for us!"

67 Gus  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:49:23pm
68 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:52:18pm

Every time I hear people talking about alpha males I think of Champ Kind saying he misses the smell of Ron Burgundy's musk.

69 ozbloke  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:52:27pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

We're getting a handle on the server problems now, finally. Found several problems that we fixed.

Its feeling better now showing new comments.

Thanks Charles

70 Charleston Chew  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:53:03pm

re: #54 Killgore Trout

I don't think the two party system is the problem. It has its faults but it's the way we treat the two party system and a tribal death match. It would be more helpful to think of it as being trapped in a room with one other person and the only way out is to cooperate.

Treating the two party system as a tribal death match is a core Republican principle.

Cooperation is a core Obama principle.

Now who the fuck are you gonna vote for in November? It's not a tough choice.

71 A Mom Anon  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 3:55:52pm

re: #53 allegro

I have yet to see a liberal with a "conservative hunting license" on their car. I've seen a half dozen of Liberal Hunting Licenses slapped on the back of various vehicles this week. One political party has decided that their surrogates on radio and tv can go right ahead and demonize me and mine and lie their asses off about us(I don't work,don't love or care about my kids,since I don't belong to a church I'm letting tv raise my children,that I don't value marriage,that I hate my country,that I'm lazy and only want a handout,that I hate the Constitution,that I'm weak,that I'm a murderer because I support abortion rights,should I go on?)and decide that it's just ok to keep stoking fear and hatred and I'm supposed to do what? Say nothing? Just STFU? I'm not supposed to be pissed off at what it's done to my community and my birth family? No. I didn't start this shit,the GOP did and it's time they own it since they think it's so amusing and they're so right about everything.

72 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:00:07pm

re: #60 Daniel Ballard

Whoa that's harsh

Not nearly so harsh as the stuff the damn Republicans are putting out there.

73 allegro  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:01:39pm

re: #71 A Mom Anon

I have yet to see a liberal with a "conservative hunting license" on their car. I've seen a half dozen of Liberal Hunting Licenses slapped on the back of various vehicles this week. One political party has decided that their surrogates on radio and tv can go right ahead and demonize me and mine and lie their asses off about us(I don't work,don't love or care about my kids,since I don't belong to a church I'm letting tv raise my children,that I don't value marriage,that I hate my country,that I'm lazy and only want a handout,that I hate the Constitution,that I'm weak,that I'm a murderer because I support abortion rights,should I go on?)and decide that it's just ok to keep stoking fear and hatred and I'm supposed to do what? Say nothing? Just STFU? I'm not supposed to be pissed off at what it's done to my community and my birth family? No. I didn't start this shit,the GOP did and it's time they own it since they think it's so amusing and they're so right about everything.

That was a truly beautiful rant. Thank you.

74 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:04:47pm

This never happens:

/

75 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:06:26pm

re: #70 Charleston Chew

Treating the two party system as a tribal death match is a core Republican principle.

Cooperation is a core Obama principle.

Now who the fuck are you gonna vote for in November? It's not a tough choice.

He'll vote for Rmoney. That's been obvious in his behavior for some time. The only real question is if he'll admit to it or keep pretending.

76 Gus  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:06:35pm

re: #57 JamesWI

Watch this video and tell me you don't think he looks and sounds drunk:

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Never mind that the content of pretty much everything he is saying is a joke.

Heb? Ugh.

77 JamesWI  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:10:57pm

re: #76 Gus

Heb? Ugh.

I like how the Republicans have now shifted to talking about having a "choice" between Medicare and a voucher/whatever the hell Thompson's plan is.

As if anyone who is given a free choice will take what they're offering instead of Medicare.

78 Tigger2  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:12:48pm

re: #77 JamesWI

I like how the Republicans have now shifted to talking about having a "choice" between Medicare and a voucher/whatever the hell Thompson's plan is.

As if anyone who is given a free choice will take what they're offering instead of Medicare.

Either way you're screwed. because if they can push this through they will start underfunding Medicare and try to force more people into the voucher program.

79 Gus  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:13:15pm

re: #77 JamesWI

I like how the Republicans have now shifted to talking about having a "choice" between Medicare and a voucher/whatever the hell Thompson's plan is.

As if anyone who is given a free choice will take what they're offering instead of Medicare.

He seems like a dick. We knew that already. But yeah, the acronym for this weird idea was pronounced like hebe.

80 A Mom Anon  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:14:57pm

re: #73 allegro

My parents went to a church where they preached that anyone who wasn't "saved" should just be cut out of the family. Since I wasn't in the special club,it was real easy for their minister to drive a wedge in there. When my mom went to him with concerns because she was in my house and a)couldn't find a Bible and b)saw all my books about paganism and stuff about history and liberal politics he told her that I was evil,my house was evil and that my autistic child was punishment for my sins AND that he was probably going to be a criminal because of who was raising him. Now,she chose to cut herself off from me,but this asshole"man of god",who had never even met me,drove the wedge in and scared her to death. My siblings and my dad followed her right into the abyss. This minister has books by Glenn Beck in the church library and they have GOP party leaders and politicians at their Bible studies sometimes. Many members of the congregation are active in the Tea Party too. It took TEN YEARS to undo the damage even a little,and it only happened because my dad was in the hospital,scared of dying and he begged my sister to call me and have me come to his room. They don't go to that church anymore,but the damage may never be fixed. My son can't forgive them,he doesn't understand it.

I didn't start that shit,right wing evangelical christians who are staunch Republicans did and I'll be damned if I'll smile and agree that I'm just as bad as they are. No.Fucking.Way. Own it assholes,clean up your own party first,then we'll chat about how awful liberals and democrats are.

81 efuseakay  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:15:03pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Yeah, this is slightly better that the Big Bird thing but it's still nonsense from a policy standpoint. I guess it's mostly marketing executives selling candidates with catch phrases and slogans. It might work to sway some low information undecided voters but doesn't really contribute to the conversation about the problems facing the country.

Speaking of non-sensical policy... Lets eliminate the deficit by giving the military $2T that they aren't asking for. Oh. And don't forget to defund Planned Parenthood and PBS. We will be back in the green in no time!

82 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:15:16pm

Apropos of everything: I'm in Starbucks right now and some fucked up douche nozzle is listening to a Romney speech on his laptop with the volume turned all the way up. Hey asshole, get some earbuds!

Bonus points: the name on his drink cup is Ryan.

83 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:17:50pm

Afternoon Lizards.

84 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:20:23pm

re: #81 efuseakay

Speaking of non-sensical policy... Lets eliminate the deficit by giving the military $2T that they aren't asking for. Oh. And don't forget to defund Planned Parenthood and PBS. We will be back in the green in no time!

And cut everybody's taxes by 20% at the same time.

Geniuses..
////

85 JamesWI  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:21:09pm

re: #79 Gus

He seems like a dick. We knew that already. But yeah, the acronym for this weird idea was pronounced like hebe.

I don't know if you watched the debate last night (I'm sure you heard about the "Don't interrupt me, Joe Biden" moment). He was a massive dick. And he sounded/looked drunk then as well. Of course, the wingnuts on Twitter loved it....but think Biden was too mean.

86 Gus  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:21:49pm

Derp.

87 Gus  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:22:28pm

I love that Bush archive. :)

88 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:24:45pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

I think the voters deserve most of the blame. We don't hold our leaders to a very high standard and cheer stupid slogans and vapid rhetoric. If someone did decide to display real leadership and focus on complex issues and hard decisions I don't think the public would like it very much. I would like to see our leaders try although I don't think it would be well received.

I'm trying to figure out how that matches with your obsession with sensationalistic reporting and facile and exploitative partisanship.

It's not like there isn't any good reporting going on - and actually I'd say that a lot of people do care fairly deeply about issues. As shallow as the debates are - where both candidates turn every question around so they can spout talking points - the fact that we do have candidates debating before the public is actually pretty impressive.

Maybe if you spent less time focused on the least common denominator, it might seem less ubiquitous to you.

89 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:27:05pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Yeah, this is slightly better that the Big Bird thing but it's still nonsense from a policy standpoint. I guess it's mostly marketing executives selling candidates with catch phrases and slogans. It might work to sway some low information undecided voters but doesn't really contribute to the conversation about the problems facing the country.

Really? He's attacking Romney for his incoherency - and using a funny mnemonic to help drive the point home. Seems pretty clear to me what the very important policy implications are.

90 A Mom Anon  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:27:20pm

BBL lizards,I have a large doggie that truly needs a bath and she's hiding from me,lol.

92 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:33:26pm

re: #66 Charleston Chew

Which has been the heart of Republican strategy for 4 years or more. They set the trap and you fell for it.

Their strategy was to oppose the President on EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME, even stuff they support before, so people like you will will say, "I've had it with all the partisan bickering," and the GOP will say, "I know, right? Ain't it awful? Vote for us!"

Just listened to this interview:

[Link: www.npr.org...]

Very interesting listening. This reporter spent some six months hanging out with Obama to write this article. One of the things he noted was that Obama underestimated how little of a price Republicans would pay for pure oppositional behavior - for example opposing to the the death policy proposals that were Republican proposals only a few years ago. It isn't so much that Congress on the whole hasn't paid a political price (look at the Congressional popularity ratings), but that individual politicians haven't paid a price but instead, actually, have gotten much political support for obsessively hating on Obama.

I'm trying to figure out if Obama was naive - or that the level of opposition he has faced really was not predictable.

Anyway - it's a great interview.

93 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:33:28pm

What if congressional districts had to be quadrilateral, except at a coastline or a river?

94 Dane38  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:35:20pm

Applying some imaginary medical condition to your opponent is rediculous and childish imho. Why not talk politics instead of these oneliners and use of celebrities or bad jokes?.

Yeah I know both candidates do, but why not raise the bar?

95 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:39:19pm

re: #94 Dane38

Applying some imaginary medical condition to your opponent is rediculous and childish imho. Why not talk politics instead of these oneliners and use of celebrities or bad jokes?.

Yeah I know both candidates do, but why not raise the bar?

Perhaps you don't recognize that he is talking politics. He's saying that Romney is a two (or more) faced liar who can't be trusted, but in a funny way.

96 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:39:20pm

I've never seen so much concern for a candidate having a little fun on the campaign trail.

Everyone's so...concerned.

97 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:41:00pm

re: #95 wrenchwench

Perhaps you don't recognize that he is talking politics. He's saying that Romney is a two (or more) faced liar who can't be trusted, but in a funny way.

Seriously. How was that not talking politics? I'm not one usually to defend political rhetoric - but Obama was, specifically, talking about policy differences.

98 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:42:00pm

re: #96 makeitstop

I've never seen so much concern for a candidate having a little fun on the campaign trail.

Everyone's so...concerned.

Grab the women and children! Head for the hills!

99 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:42:47pm

re: #94 Dane38

// yep, he should have been more "presidential" while pointing out that romney is a two faced lying fuck who will say anything to get your vote.

BTW, Welcome hatchling. I hope you have a real thick skin.

100 Dane38  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:46:23pm
yep, he should have been more "presidential" while pointing out that romney is a two faced lying fuck who will say anything to get your vote.

hehe.. yeah this may be true, but putting so much focus on your opponent instead of talking about what you want to do and how you want to do it..,,, i don´t think it works so well cuz people see right through it.

101 Gus  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:47:30pm
102 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:48:55pm

re: #101 Gus

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You are wielding your twitter account like a sharp-edged weapon. And Photoshop (or whatever you're using) as well.

103 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:49:17pm

re: #100 Dane38

hehe.. yeah this may be true, but putting so much focus on your opponent instead of talking about what you want to do and how you want to do it..,,, i don´t think it works so well cuz people see right through it.

He was talking about what he wants to do. And he was also talking about how his opponents incoherency makes it impossible to understand what he wants to do - which is a perfectly legitimate issue. Actually, it is a very important issue.

104 Tigger2  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:49:23pm

re: #100 Dane38

hehe.. yeah this may be true, but putting so much focus on your opponent instead of talking about what you want to do and how you want to do it..,,, i don´t think it works so well cuz people see right through it.

When is Romney going to say what he's going to do. He talks a lot of shit but he wont give any specifics.

105 hambone  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:49:25pm

Talk policy and goals then end with a"You might have Romnesia if"
Man if they can get this moving with people this will screw Romney. abit of humor people will remember.

Obama and Biden should end every stump speach with an Romnesia example,and that ObamaCare ending just puts a fork in it.

106 blueraven  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:49:43pm

re: #100 Dane38

hehe.. yeah this may be true, but putting so much focus on your opponent instead of talking about what you want to do and how you want to do it..,,, i don´t think it works so well cuz people see right through it.

See through what?

107 JamesWI  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:50:02pm

re: #100 Dane38

hehe.. yeah this may be true, but putting so much focus on your opponent instead of talking about what you want to do and how you want to do it..,,, i don´t think it works so well cuz people see right through it.

Obama has talked plenty about what he wants to do. He also can point to what he has been doing as indicator of what he will do in the next four years. It's Romney who has spent the entire campaign trying to avoid saying anything about what his positions are. It's Romney who has based his entire campaign on a string of comments taken out of context (You didn't build that, the middle class is buried, they'll put you in chains, He didn't call it a terrorist attack (even though he did), etc. etc. etc.)

Try looking in the mirror if you want to see the side that has been more focused on bullshit. Obama's having some fun.

108 Gus  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:50:22pm

re: #102 wrenchwench

You are wielding your twitter account like a sharp-edged weapon. And Photoshop (or whatever you're using) as well.

Thanks.

109 diamonda2u  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:52:43pm

Let's be honest... Mittens R Money walked right in to this setup... the downside is the President should have pulled this out sooner... but funny, smart, and on point none the less.

110 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:54:09pm

We discovered the cause of those periodic outages, where Apache would just stop running - turns out it was caused by the Cpanel app installed on that server. It was rotating the Apache logs so they didn't get too large -- and then doing a restart of Apache to force it to use the new log. Problem was that the "graceful" restart that was supposed to preserve connections -- didn't preserve the connections. It just dropped everything.

We've got it tweaked now so that won't happen any more, and right now everything is really blazing along.

111 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:54:59pm

re: #100 Dane38

hehe.. yeah this may be true, but putting so much focus on your opponent instead of talking about what you want to do and how you want to do it..,,, i don´t think it works so well cuz people see right through it.

I don't think incumbents need to talk about what they're going to do so much. Obama has been doing it for 4 years.

You do know that the whole speech is not in that video clip, right?

112 Gus  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:55:11pm

Outrage!

113 Dane38  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:55:39pm
Try looking in the mirror if you want to see the side that has been more focused on bullshit. Obama's having some fun.

Thats all good, but do you think these times are for oneliners and jokes? I dont think the state of the nation is a laughing matter right now.

I would like to see some presidential candidates who didnt resolve to this kind of sh*t. Lets see how the turnout will be - i project a lot of people will "vote" from the comfort of their sofas.

114 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:56:44pm

re: #100 Dane38

hehe.. yeah this may be true, but putting so much focus on your opponent instead of talking about what you want to do and how you want to do it..,,, i don´t think it works so well cuz people see right through it.

He put the focus just right where it needs to be, on romney's continued shifting on policy issues as well as his refusal to provide specifics of his own plan.

Not to mention, I still want to see him release his Tax Returns.

BTW, so nice of you to edit the sarc tags in my original post out.

Down Ding for that.

115 Tigger2  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:56:54pm

re: #113 Dane38

Thats all good, but do you think these times are for oneliners and jokes? I dont think the state of the nation is a laughing matter right now.

I would like to see some presidential candidates who didnt resolve to this kind of sh*t. Lets see how the turnout will be - i project a lot of people will "vote" from the comfort of their sofas.

The whole Romney campaign has become one big joke. lol

116 JamesWI  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:57:27pm

re: #113 Dane38

Thats all good, but do you think these times are for oneliners and jokes? I dont think the state of the nation is a laughing matter right now.

I would like to see some presidential candidates who didnt resolve to this kind of sh*t. Lets see how the turnout will be - i project a lot of people will "vote" from the comfort of their sofas.

He's making a pointed criticism of his opponent, using humor to make it go down better.

Would you rather he just stand up and say "Romney is simply full of shit. Almost everything he says has been a lie." Because that is the truth, and that is the point that Obama is trying to get across.

117 blueraven  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:57:40pm

Here are some things I would like to know from Mitt Romeny

Will he appoint judges and actively try to reverse Roe v Wade?
Will I get to keep my home mortgage and charitable deductions?
What about heath care? What is his plan to replace Obamacare?

These things are important.

118 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:57:47pm

re: #113 Dane38

I would like to see some presidential candidates who didnt resolve to this kind of sh*t.

Resort.

119 CarleeCork  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 4:58:32pm

re: #100 Dane38

hehe.. yeah this may be true, but putting so much focus on your opponent instead of talking about what you want to do and how you want to do it..,,, i don´t think it works so well cuz people see right through it.

And what exactly has Romney said he will do and how will he do it?

120 Dane38  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:00:07pm

re: #114 Only The Lurker Knows

He put the focus just right where it needs to be, on romney's continued shifting on policy issues as well as his refusal to provide specifics of his own plan.

Not to mention, I still want to see him release his Tax Returns.

BTW, so nice of you to edit the sarc tags in my original post out.

Down Ding for that.

I didnt think it was needed - dude. I read it as a double negation.

121 Tigger2  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:00:24pm

re: #117 blueraven

Here are some things I would like to know form Mitt Romeny

Will he appoint judges and actively try to reverse Roe v Wade?
Will I get to keep my home mortgage and charitable deductions?
What about heath care? What is his plan to replace Obamacare?

These things are important.

And those are 3 things you wont find out unless he's elected, because he know if he says what he believes it will hurt him to bad.

122 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:00:34pm

Why do I get the feeling we have a concern troll posting?

123 Dane38  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:02:06pm

re: #118 goddamnedfrank

Resort.

Resolve.

124 Gus  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:02:07pm

re: #120 Dane38

I didnt think it was needed - dude. I read it as a double negation.

Somehow I suddenly get the feeling that you didn't come here to make friends. You're already on this like you've been at LGF for at least a couple of months. You ever think about common internet board social protocol?

125 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:02:11pm

re: #113 Dane38

Thats all good, but do you think these times are for oneliners and jokes? I dont think the state of the nation is a laughing matter right now.

Killgore...izzat you???

126 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:02:20pm

I'm getting a real bridge-dwelling kind of smell.

127 allegro  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:02:52pm

re: #113 Dane38

Thats all good, but do you think these times are for oneliners and jokes? I dont think the state of the nation is a laughing matter right now.

I would like to see some presidential candidates who didnt resolve to this kind of sh*t. Lets see how the turnout will be - i project a lot of people will "vote" from the comfort of their sofas.

Do you think these times are for lies and evasion? Because that's all that Romney/Ryan offers along with hateful bigotry and misogyny. I'd sure like to see a GOP that didn't resort (the word you were actually looking for) to this kind of shit, but ya know what? That's exactly what that party has done and it pisses me off and insults all Americans, including those too stupid or blinded to see it. If it takes a humorous buzzword to make that point, I applaud it.

128 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:02:57pm

Here's the transcript of the speech above -- there was plenty of serious discussion of policy issues in it.

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

129 Gus  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:03:22pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

I'm getting a real bridge-dwelling kind of smell.

Creosote?

130 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:04:15pm

He's been plenty serious when it comes to discussing the issues. He does that and he gets accused of being "Professor Obama". I don't see what the harm in using a little humor to point out Romney's habit of taking one stance and then adapting another.

131 debit  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:04:31pm

re: #120 Dane38

I didnt think it was needed - dude. I read it as a double negation.

If you don't know the board's culture and don't want to come off like a creep or a troll, lurk more. Unless that actually is your intent. Then, by all means, carry on.

132 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:05:00pm

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133 hambone  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:05:20pm

Ha Ha Biden used it on Ryan's budget. The Democrats should hang it on all the different Republicans to illustrate how they flip flop depending on who they are taking to.
I think my openent has Romnesia then illistrate it will piss of the republican running and what can he say it will just give trackion to the comment. they would hate it.

134 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:06:00pm

Thousands in Tahrir demand an 'Egypt for all Egyptians'

Cairo sees another Friday of protest as pro-democracy forces march on the flashpoint square, decrying Brotherhood rule and the prospect of an 'unrepresentative' constitution

135 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:06:18pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

I'm getting a real bridge-dwelling kind of smell.

Noticed that myself. I also see that some of the 2009 crowd are starting to resurface as well.

136 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:07:06pm

re: #135 Only The Lurker Knows

Noticed that myself. I also see that some of the 2009 crowd are starting to resurface as well.

I'M OFFENDED!
/

137 darthstar  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:08:17pm

re: #132 Varek Raith

Image: 5055032357_69d1d1be72.jpg

It's the blonde gal, right?

138 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:08:17pm

re: #135 Only The Lurker Knows

Noticed that myself. I also see that some of the 2009 crowd are starting to resurface as well.

I think I've been lurking that long. /Creepystalker

139 Tigger2  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:08:36pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

Thousands in Tahrir demand an 'Egypt for all Egyptians'

That's a good thing.

140 darthstar  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:09:40pm

re: #135 Only The Lurker Knows

Noticed that myself. I also see that some of the 2009 crowd are starting to resurface as well.

I resemble that remark!

141 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:09:56pm

Keystone Shutdown Highlights Fox's Dubious Claims About Pipeline Safety

TransCanada Corp. recently announced that it has temporarily shut down the existing portion of its Keystone pipeline due to safety concerns. Fox News figures previously attacked the Obama administration for delaying a decision on the Keystone pipeline extension because of environmental and safety concerns, claiming that the project posed no such threats

142 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:10:34pm

I like how Romney straight up lied about his support of the Blunt-Rubio Amendment but we're supposed to be appalled by Obama calling him out on being a mendacious piece of shit.

I like how the trolls are focusing on the level of discourse in an election that couldn't be a more clear cut referendum on civil rights.

143 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:10:53pm

re: #136 Varek Raith

I'M OFFENDED!
/

Sorry. Should have been more specific.

Karma: 11

hambone
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Registered since: Nov 16, 2009 at 8:27 pm
No. of comments posted: 15
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Come on Lizard. I lurk, but damn it, I also post.

144 Tigger2  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:11:23pm

re: #141 Varek Raith

Keystone Shutdown Highlights Fox's Dubious Claims About Pipeline Safety

The corporations wont stop until they destroy the whole planet.

145 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:11:59pm

re: #144 Tigger2

The corporations wont stop until they destroy the whole planet.

Earth First!
We'll strip mine the other planets later.

146 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:15:05pm

re: #145 Varek Raith

Earth First!
We'll strip mine the other planets later.

"Probe launched." I'm thinking you might get this from what I've read, but it might be a stretch.

147 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:15:51pm

re: #139 Tigger2

That's a good thing.

Maybe. If the Islamists continue to steamroll secularists in constitutional negotiations it might take another revolution to solve the problem. The Muslim Bros are behaving better than I expected but they're still not up to the task of leadership.

148 Tigger2  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:17:42pm

re: #147 Killgore Trout

Maybe. If the Islamists continue to steamroll secularists in constitutional negotiations it might take another revolution to solve the problem. The Muslim Bros are behaving better than I expected but they're still not up to the task of leadership.

Maybe there is some hope for the middle east, maybe democracy means more to them then some give them credit for.

149 Gus  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:17:44pm
150 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:18:15pm
151 JamesWI  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:18:21pm

Way to go, Issa. In your quest to score political points on a terrorist attack, you probably just killed more people. Piece of shit.

152 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:19:12pm

Things I wouldn't have guessed but which are true anyway:

Iconic Brazilian architect and cigar enthusiast Oscar Niemeyer is still alive and working at age 104 (born December 15, 1907).

153 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:19:32pm

re: #145 Varek Raith

Earth First!
We'll strip mine the other planets later.

Unless we can't get off this one. Then what?

Oh Yes, We die.

Youtube Video
154 darthstar  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:20:09pm

re: #149 Gus

My favorite Josh Romney photo is "I need to feed. Bring me binder #3"

155 darthstar  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:20:40pm

re: #154 darthstar

My favorite Josh Romney photo is "I need to feed. Bring me binder #3"

Holy fuck. I'm learning to reference the Romney boys by their first names.

156 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:21:37pm

re: #112 Gus

Outrage!

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Ouch...that's gonna leave a mark.

157 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:22:02pm

re: #151 JamesWI

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Way to go, Issa. In your quest to score political points on a terrorist attack, you probably just killed more people. Piece of shit.

Issa's one of the richest guys in Congress, but he's worth the least.

158 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:22:20pm

re: #113 Dane38

Thats all good, but do you think these times are for oneliners and jokes? I dont think the state of the nation is a laughing matter right now.

I would like to see some presidential candidates who didnt resolve to this kind of sh*t. Lets see how the turnout will be - i project a lot of people will "vote" from the comfort of their sofas.

You can take the corn cob out of your ass any time now.

159 Tigger2  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:22:23pm

re: #155 darthstar

Holy fuck. I'm learning to reference the Romney boys by their first names.

What are their names clone #1 #2 #3 #4 #5,

160 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:22:53pm

Issa is now wikileaks.
Fascinating.

161 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:23:19pm

re: #159 Tigger2

What are their name clone #1 #2 #3 #4 #5,

First of Five, Second of Five, Third of Five, etc.

162 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:23:45pm

Ha, just realized that Tagg(Taggert) Romney shares his name with Slim Pickens' character in Blazing Saddles.

163 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:23:53pm

re: #161 wrenchwench

First of Five, Second of Five, Third of Five, etc.

We are Borg.

164 blueraven  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:24:29pm

re: #151 JamesWI

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Way to go, Issa. In your quest to score political points on a terrorist attack, you probably just killed more people. Piece of shit.

This man is obsessed and he will get people killed.

165 JamesWI  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:24:52pm

re: #151 JamesWI

One of the cables released by Issa names a woman human rights activist who was leading a campaign against violence and was detained in Benghazi. She expressed fear for her safety to U.S. officials and criticized the Libyan government.

"This woman is trying to raise an anti-violence campaign on her own and came to the United States for help. She isn't publicly associated with the U.S. in any other way but she's now named in this cable. It's a danger to her life," the administration official said.

Another cable names a Benghazi port manager who is working with the United States on an infrastructure project.

"When you're in a situation where Ansar al-Sharia is a risk to Americans, an individual like this guy, who is an innocent civilian who's trying to reopen the port and is doing so in conjunction with Americans, could be at risk now because he's publicly affiliated with America," the official said, referring to the group thought to have led the Benghazi attack.

One cable names a local militia commander dishing dirt on the inner workings of the Libyan Interior Ministry. Another cable names a militia commander who claims to control a senior official of the Libyan armed forces. Other cables contain details of conversations between third-party governments, such as the British and the Danes, and their private interactions with the U.S., the U.N., and the Libyan governments over security issues.

"It betrays the trust of people we are trying to maintain contact with on a regular basis, including security officials inside militias and civil society people as well," another administration official told The Cable. "It's a serious betrayal of trust for us and it hurts our ability to maintain these contacts going forward. It has the potential to physically endanger these people. They didn't sign up for that. Neither did we."

166 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:25:10pm

re: #150 wrenchwench

All well and good, as long as their next "mission" is in Paris.

167 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:26:08pm

The new Fagen record is killin' me. You're going to see me playing this one a lot.

The horn arrangements are ridiculously great.

168 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:27:12pm

And the servers are absolutely smokin' right now. Let's hope we finally ironed out the bugs.

169 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:27:30pm

re: #162 HappyWarrior

Ha, just realized that Tagg(Taggert) Romney shares his name with Slim Pickens' character in Blazing Saddles.

Quoth the Wiki:

People named Taggart

Taggart Romney, an American businessman, son of Mitt Romney
Taggart (surname), definition of the surname and list of people with the surname

Fictional people

Dagny Taggart, a character in Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged
James Taggart (Atlas Shrugged), a character in Atlas Shrugged
James "Paladin" Taggart, fictional character in the Wing Commander computer games
Ian Taggart, an antagonist in Prototype (video game)
Jim Taggart, a character in the TV series Taggart
Jim Taggart (Eureka), character in American science fiction drama Eureka
Samantha Taggart, character in the American drama ER
Sergeant Taggart, character in Beverly Hills Cop and Beverly Hills Cop 2
Taggart, character in the American movie Blazing Saddles
Flynn Taggart, main protagonist of the Doom series of novels.

Could just be me, but I somehow don't think that Tagg Romney was named after Slim Pickens' character in Blazing Saddles, just as I'm sure that Rand Paul's particular shortening of his given name is no accident.

Just a hunch...

170 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:28:38pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

Have you ever looked at nginx?

171 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:28:54pm

re: #169 MittDoesNotCompute

Quoth the Wiki:

People named Taggart

Taggart Romney, an American businessman, son of Mitt Romney
Taggart (surname), definition of the surname and list of people with the surname

Fictional people

Dagny Taggart, a character in Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged
James Taggart (Atlas Shrugged), a character in Atlas Shrugged
James "Paladin" Taggart, fictional character in the Wing Commander computer games
Ian Taggart, an antagonist in Prototype (video game)
Jim Taggart, a character in the TV series Taggart
Jim Taggart (Eureka), character in American science fiction drama Eureka
Samantha Taggart, character in the American drama ER
Sergeant Taggart, character in Beverly Hills Cop and Beverly Hills Cop 2
Taggart, character in the American movie Blazing Saddles
Flynn Taggart, main protagonist of the Doom series of novels.

Could just be me, but I somehow don't think that Tagg Romney was named after Slim Pickens' character in Blazing Saddles.

Just a hunch...

Didn't know there was a Taggart in AS. I didn't mean to imply I thought there was a coincidence. In fact, I think Tagg Romney was born before the movie even came out. He's 40 I believe.

172 A Mom Anon  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:29:00pm

re: #165 JamesWI

How is this legal? Wouldn't this at least be a ding in his security clearance?

173 GeneJockey  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:30:01pm

re: #124 Gus

You ever think about common internet board social protocol?

Wait - there's a protocol? Aw, crap! I thought we were all supposed to just leap in and start throwing elbows!

My take on 'Romnesia' is that it's a good way to remind people just how unprincipled Romney, which goes right to the heart of making him an unacceptable alternative. No doubt the SLC Tribune's new endorsement will also figure prominently in coming days, for the same reason.

174 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:30:03pm

So much good music, so little time. Need to find a new book to read. Think I'm going to read Chekhov's The Duel though in the collection of Chekhov novellas I got though.

175 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:30:39pm

re: #170 ReamWorks SKG

Yes, in fact I was researching it recently. As soon as I know the new servers are all broken in, I'm going to set up some kind of reverse proxy system as a content delivery network for the static resources. I'm also looking at varnish.

176 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:30:57pm

re: #173 GeneJockey

Welcome, hatchling.

177 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:31:40pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

Didn't know there was a Taggart in AS. I didn't mean to imply I thought there was a coincidence. In fact, I think Tagg Romney was born before the movie even came out. He's 40 I believe.

The book Atlas Shrugged was out long before Tagg was born (first published in 1957; Ayn Rand's last book), and Dagny Taggart's the main character in it.

178 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:32:16pm

re: #151 JamesWI

[Embedded content]

Way to go, Issa. In your quest to score political points on a terrorist attack, you probably just killed more people. Piece of shit.

He's changed his name to Issange.

179 JamesWI  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:32:29pm

Seriously. Everyone in this party is scum.

180 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:32:41pm

re: #177 MittDoesNotCompute

The book Atlas Shrugged was out long before Tagg was born (first published in 1957), and Dagny Taggart's the main character in it.

Gotcha. Only Rand I read was The Fountainhead and I had to since it was required in 11th grade philosophy.

181 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:32:59pm

Why should political parties, which are private things, not mentioned in the Constitution at all, have this seeming lock on the governmental machinery of our country?

182 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:34:55pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

Gotcha. Only Rand I read was The Fountainhead and I had to since it was required in 11th grade philosophy.

Why they shouldn't teach Philosophy in 11th grade.

183 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:35:09pm

re: #162 HappyWarrior

Ha, just realized that Tagg(Taggert) Romney shares his name with Slim Pickens' character in Blazing Saddles.

My god, it just occurred to me. Is he named after Dagny Taggart?

ETA: this is what happens, children, when you fail to refresh and look at recent comments before posting.

184 Gus  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:35:21pm

Image: Tagg-Obama-Stare-Down.gif

185 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:35:29pm

re: #177 MittDoesNotCompute

The book Atlas Shrugged was out long before Tagg was born (first published in 1957; Ayn Rand's last book), and Dagny Taggart's the main character in it.

I doubt Mitt Romney would name his son after an Ayn Rand character, given how anti-religion she was.

186 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:35:43pm

re: #151 JamesWI

[Embedded content]

Way to go, Issa. In your quest to score political points on a terrorist attack, you probably just killed more people. Piece of shit.

Oh.My.Fucking.G-d, Issa...

You're not just a major dumbass, but a partisan hack dumbass with political power and that makes you dangerous.

187 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:35:45pm

re: #183 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

My god, it just occurred to me. Is he named after Dagny Taggart?

That, or Buster Brown's dog.

188 GeneJockey  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:36:12pm

re: #176 wrenchwench

Welcome, hatchling.

Thank you! Seems like a nice place you all got here

Uh-oh! I just realized the next line is usually, "Be a shame if sump'in was to happen to it..."

189 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:36:19pm

Paladin is the best of the Taggarts.

190 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:36:22pm

Night Lizards. 2009 Lizards +. Sorry about hitting you with that broad brush. I am sure the same could be said about my class.

Sleep well and May The Deity Of Your Choice Smile Down Upon You.

191 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:36:35pm

re: #181 Ojoe

Why should political parties, which are private things, not mentioned in the Constitution at all, have this seeming lock on the governmental machinery of our country?

They shouldn't, but it's damn hard to start something that can compete, as you and the Modern Whigs and I and the Citizens Party know. However, there's an upside. Stability. And stability = prosperity in the world-wide scheme of things.

192 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:36:38pm

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

I doubt Mitt Romney would name his son after an Ayn Rand character, given how anti-religion she was.

Didn't stop Paul Ryan from idolizing her. Hell, most of the Rand bots I've encountered are staunchly religious people. You'd be amazed at the power of cognitive dissonance. I don't think he did. I imagine it's a family name.

193 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:36:40pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

Gotcha. Only Rand I read was The Fountainhead and I had to since it was required in 11th grade philosophy.

You got lucky, since that one's much less nasty than Atlas Shrugged.

194 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:36:47pm

re: #190 Only The Lurker Knows

Night Lizards. 2009 Lizards +. Sorry about hitting you with that broad brush. I am sure the same could be said about my class.

Sleep well and May The Deity Of Your Choice Smile Down Upon You.

I was trolling you with that one.
;)

195 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:37:09pm

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

You got lucky, since that one's much less nasty than Atlas Shrugged.

Not nearly as long too.

196 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:37:23pm

re: #181 Ojoe

Why should political parties, which are private things, not mentioned in the Constitution at all, have this seeming lock on the governmental machinery of our country?

Tradition?

/

197 bratwurst  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:37:33pm

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

I doubt Mitt Romney would name his son after an Ayn Rand character, given how anti-religion she was.

And yet devout Catholic Paul Ryan idolized her for YEARS. Go figure.

198 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:37:50pm

re: #187 Decatur Deb

That, or Buster Brown's dog.

That was Tige.

199 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:38:00pm

re: #182 Decatur Deb

Why they shouldn't teach Philosophy in 11th grade.

Hey it let 16 year old me know that Randian philosophy was a load of crap.

200 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:38:08pm

re: #189 Varek Raith

Paladin is the best of the Taggarts.

And a disloyal Pilgrim.

/Wing Commander schtick

201 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:38:24pm

re: #198 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

That was Tige.

Ya gotta hear it with an Alabama accent.

202 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:38:27pm

re: #196 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Tradition?

/

Well political parties go back to the UK. Tories and Whigs.

203 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:38:50pm

re: #201 Decatur Deb

Ya gotta hear it with an Alabama accent.

Mitt Romney has an Alabama accent?

204 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:39:37pm

re: #197 bratwurst

And yet devout Catholic Paul Ryan idolized her for YEARS. Go figure.

Yeds, but Mitt pretty careful about appearances and he gives far more to charity than is normally seen from a Randian.

205 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:39:44pm

re: #203 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Mitt Romney has an Alabama accent?

Have you noticed that he is virtually accentless? Three home states, no home dialect.

206 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:41:08pm

re: #205 Decatur Deb

Have you noticed that he is virtually accentless? Three home states, no home dialect.

That's the California accent.

207 allegro  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:41:13pm

re: #184 Gus

Image: Tagg-Obama-Stare-Down.gif

He looks like a Vulcan (check out the ears). No offense meant to Vulcans.

208 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:41:57pm

re: #205 Decatur Deb

Have you noticed that he is virtually accentless? Three home states, no home dialect.

Could it be a Muslim accent?
Oops wrong candidate.

209 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:42:09pm

re: #205 Decatur Deb

Have you noticed that he is virtually accentless? Three home states, no home dialect.

That often happens with people who have spent much of their lives in many different places. John McCain and Barack Obama speak in a similar fashion and and also lived in a series of places.

210 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:42:55pm

re: #205 Decatur Deb

Have you noticed that he is virtually accentless? Three home states, no home dialect.

Actually that's true of me too. I used to challenge classmates in college to guess where I was from based on my speech. I actually lived in the same place from ages 2 to 20, but my parents were from another part of the country and the accents blended.

211 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:43:03pm

re: #206 wrenchwench

That's the California accent.

I'll listen for 'Encino Man' in his next debate.

212 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:43:04pm

re: #203 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Mitt Romney has an Alabama accent?

He'd have one by tomorrow if he thought 'Bama was a major swing state.

213 ozbloke  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:43:13pm

re: #188 GeneJockey

Thank you! Seems like a nice place you all got here

Uh-oh! I just realized the next line is usually, "Be a shame if sump'in was to happen to it..."

So now your trying to be funny when you haven't even got us all a drink.

/

214 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:43:54pm

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

I doubt Mitt Romney would name his son after an Ayn Rand character, given how anti-religion she was.

Does that matter to Ryan, the Pauls, or any other deeply religious "conservatives" who are on the historical record, at one time or another, as touting and pushing Randian philosophy that is perfectly crystallized in Atlas Shrugged?

Just like with the nutjobs of the Religious Right, quite a few Randians have been playing the long con (see the Pauls)...and Romney's whole career, in business and in government, is a prime example of that "fuck you, I've got mine" mentality.

215 Gus  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:45:10pm

Image: Tagg-Obama-Stare-Down2.gif

216 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:45:38pm

re: #210 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Actually that's true of me too. I used to challenge classmates in college to guess where I was from based on my speech. I actually lived in the same place from ages 2 to 20, but my parents were from another part of the country and the accents blended.

I showed up down here with a Pittsburgh accent and an Irish knit sweater. Lady asked me if I was from Finnland.

217 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:46:01pm

re: #214 MittDoesNotCompute

Does that matter to Ryan, the Pauls, or any other deeply religious "conservatives" who are on the historical record, at one time or another, as touting and pushing Randian philosophy that is perfectly crystallized in Atlas Shrugged?

Just like with the nutjobs of the Religious Right, quite a few Randians have been playing the long con...and Romney's whole career, in business and in government, is a prime example.

I have a bumper sticker on my car that reads: Jesus called. He wants his religion back.

218 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:46:13pm

Yay!

219 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:46:47pm

re: #218 wrenchwench

Yay!

[Embedded content]

Now if they can just work on Texas...

220 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:47:11pm

re: #216 Decatur Deb

I showed up down here with a Pittsburgh accent and an Irish knit sweater. Lady asked me if I was from Finnland.

Well, that makes some sense. Pittsburghers talk funny. (I know; my father was one.)

221 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:47:42pm

[Link: www.gotoquiz.com...]
Took this test. Says I'm from the West. Only been West of the Mississippi twice and that's been twice within the past 9 months.

222 allegro  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:47:48pm

re: #216 Decatur Deb

I showed up down here with a Pittsburgh accent and an Irish knit sweater. Lady asked me if I was from Finnland.

When I first moved to Houston from Chicago someone asked me where I was from and I said "up north." The response was a sincere "further north than Dallas?!"

223 BongCrodny  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:48:06pm

The right wing is on a freaking tear up here in Maine.

I went over to my mom's apartment tonight and we were watching the news.

During one commercial break, of the six commercials that aired:

-- Two were "No on 1" ads -- a "No" vote is a "vote to not redefine the traditional definition of marriage."
-- One was an anti-Obama ad; the one with the earnest-looking middle-class lady asking "Where are the jobs, Mr. President?"
-- Two were ads, one from the Chamber of Commerce and one (I believe) from American Crossroads, attacking independent candidate Angus King (Republican Charlie Summers is a climate change denialist).

The other commercial was a car commercial -- thank heaven for small favors.

Preceding the commercial break were two very interesting news stories, but a little history is called for. Channel 13 is the CBS affiliate; it used to be owned by Gannett (not the national Gannett, but the local Gannett) but is now owned by Sinclair Broadcasting.

The first "news piece" was a man-in-the-street bit asking for responses to Obama's latest ad. Not surprisingly, everybody interviewed was negative toward the ad.

The second was about a lady who got into a bit of trouble tearing down posters of Obama that featured him with a Hitler mustache.

The piece was no longer than sixty, maybe 90 seconds -- but they showed the "Obama with Hitler mustache" three different times.

What media bias?

224 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:48:20pm

re: #221 HappyWarrior

[Link: www.gotoquiz.com...]
Took this test. Says I'm from the West. Only been West of the Mississippi twice and that's been twice within the past 9 months.

Apparently you're a quick study.

225 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:48:54pm

re: #220 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Well, that makes some sense. Pittsburghers talk funny. (I know; my father was one.)

Here's a PhD doing an hour lecture on it:

Youtube Video
226 danarchy  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:49:22pm

re: #169 MittDoesNotCompute

Quoth the Wiki:

People named Taggart

Taggart Romney, an American businessman, son of Mitt Romney
Taggart (surname), definition of the surname and list of people with the surname

Fictional people

Dagny Taggart, a character in Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged
James Taggart (Atlas Shrugged), a character in Atlas Shrugged
James "Paladin" Taggart, fictional character in the Wing Commander computer games
Ian Taggart, an antagonist in Prototype (video game)
Jim Taggart, a character in the TV series Taggart
Jim Taggart (Eureka), character in American science fiction drama Eureka
Samantha Taggart, character in the American drama ER
Sergeant Taggart, character in Beverly Hills Cop and Beverly Hills Cop 2
Taggart, character in the American movie Blazing Saddles
Flynn Taggart, main protagonist of the Doom series of novels.

Could just be me, but I somehow don't think that Tagg Romney was named after Slim Pickens' character in Blazing Saddles.

Just a hunch...

From Tagg's own mouth:

"It's short for Taggart. I wish I could tell you I was named after Dagny Taggart, in Atlas Shrugged. I was not. My parents actually knew someone in college. They didn't even know them that well. His name was Tagg Taggart, they liked it, and they stuck me with it,"

227 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:49:31pm

re: #216 Decatur Deb

I showed up down here with a Pittsburgh accent and an Irish knit sweater. Lady asked me if I was from Finnland.

Funny thing about the Pittsburgh/Western Pa accent. My mom's dad never lost his even though he spent 2/3's of his life living in Northern Virginia. My grandmother who still has traces of her thinks he retained a lot of it since a lot of his coworkers in the construction industry were from the same region. Like wise apparently my Dad's Dad from the actual city of Pittsburgh apparently sounded very non-regional but he moved around a lot.

228 JamesWI  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:51:10pm
229 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:51:31pm

re: #226 danarchy

From Tagg's own mouth:

And here I thought it was a family name. That is an unfortunate name though(the guy he's named after not Tagg himself). When I was looking through the basketball rosters for the youth basketball team I'm helping coach this winter, there were a couple kids with the same first and last name. I would hate to have that happen. Never going to happen with anyone with my last name. I'd be shocked if my surname ever got on as a surname that is also a given name.

230 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:52:48pm

re: #221 HappyWarrior

[Link: www.gotoquiz.com...]
Took this test. Says I'm from the West. Only been West of the Mississippi twice and that's been twice within the past 9 months.

Neat.

"You have a Midland accent" is just another way of saying "you don't have an accent." You probably are from the Midland (Pennsylvania, southern Ohio, southern Indiana, southern Illinois, and Missouri) but then for all we know you could be from Florida or Charleston or one of those big southern cities like Atlanta or Dallas. You have a good voice for TV and radio.

231 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:52:59pm

re: #221 HappyWarrior

[Link: www.gotoquiz.com...]
Took this test. Says I'm from the West. Only been West of the Mississippi twice and that's been twice within the past 9 months.

It says I'm from the "inland North" (i.e. Great Lakes region) and most likely say "pop" for carbonated drinks. It's entirely wrong; I'm from the mid-Atlantic region and say "soda". But my mom was from northern Ohio and my dad from Pittsburgh and later midstate Ohio.

232 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:53:32pm

re: #226 danarchy

From Tagg's own mouth:

If that's the case, so be it, but I don't tend to believe in coincidence.

233 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:53:38pm

re: #230 Varek Raith

Neat.

Weird given we're from the same part of Va.

234 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:54:01pm

re: #226 danarchy

From Tagg's own mouth:

Well, that settles the origin of his name, but the first part of his reply might well be used against him.

235 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:54:38pm

re: #233 HappyWarrior

Weird given we're from the same part of Va.

Culpeper.
Moved to NJ when I was 6.

236 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:55:08pm

re: #230 Varek Raith

Neat.

The idea that southern Ohioans "don't have an accent" is fairly absurd, based on the southern Ohioans I've known.

237 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:55:18pm

re: #235 Varek Raith

Culpeper.
Moved to NJ when I was 6.

Ah that explains it. Been in the DC suburbs my whole life.

238 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:55:43pm

re: #215 Gus

Image: Tagg-Obama-Stare-Down2.gif

Edit: Gus, that's apparently Josh, not Tagg.

When I first saw a pic of Josh at the debate, I thought he looked a lot like this fine. upstanding gentleman:

Image: lucius_malfoy.jpg

Give Josh long blond hair and he's almost a dead ringer.

239 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:56:10pm

re: #203 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Mitt Romney has an Alabama accent?

I think it's exclusive to the firmware they flash onto him when he's campaigning in the South.

240 Gus  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:56:31pm

Image: Tagg-Obama-Stare-Down3.gif

241 Big Joe  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:56:35pm

re: #210 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Actually that's true of me too. I used to challenge classmates in college to guess where I was from based on my speech. I actually lived in the same place from ages 2 to 20, but my parents were from another part of the country and the accents blended.

I grew up in California but occasionally people can tell where I'm from. Aboot, I mean 'about', comes through some times.

242 danarchy  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:58:41pm

re: #240 Gus

Image: Tagg-Obama-Stare-Down3.gif

I think that is Josh not Tagg

243 Decatur Deb  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:59:08pm

re: #221 HappyWarrior

[Link: www.gotoquiz.com...]
Took this test. Says I'm from the West. Only been West of the Mississippi twice and that's been twice within the past 9 months.

Wants to put me at the wrong end of Pennsylvania.

244 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 6:01:20pm

This is a neat website run by the linguistics program at my alma mater.
[Link: accent.gmu.edu...] One of my English professors directed me here after reading a Shakespeare play and noticing that Shakespeare liked poking fun at the Welsh accent. In the past, I had despite having both a Welsh cousin-in law and English one unable to tell the difference between the two accents. You definitely do pick up an accent if you live somewhere for a while. The guy who taught my Irish film and lit class in Ireland was an American but had a slight Irish accent due to living and teaching there for twenty years. And my cousins who married the Brits have that a little and use British slang. I don't see their kids enough so I don't know whether their kids sound more British or American or a hybrid of both.

245 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 6:02:09pm

re: #242 danarchy

I think that is Josh not Tagg

It is indeed.

246 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 6:02:54pm

re: #244 HappyWarrior

This is a neat website run by the linguistics program at my alma mater.
[Link: accent.gmu.edu...] One of my English professors directed me here after reading a Shakespeare play and noticing that Shakespeare liked poking fun at the Welsh accent. In the past, I had despite having both a Welsh cousin-in law and English one unable to tell the difference between the two accents. You definitely do pick up an accent if you live somewhere for a while. The guy who taught my Irish film and lit class in Ireland was an American but had a slight Irish accent due to living and teaching there for twenty years. And my cousins who married the Brits have that a little and use British slang. I don't see their kids enough so I don't know whether their kids sound more British or American or a hybrid of both.

I have a co-worker with a true mid-Atlantic accent. He was born and raised in the U.K. but has worked in the Eastern U.S. for many years and he now sounds like a foreigner no matter where he is.

247 GeneJockey  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 6:20:16pm

re: #213 ozbloke

So now your trying to be funny when you haven't even got us all a drink.

/

Um, uh...I didn't know there'd be so many! Next time I'll bring more quarters!


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