Meet the Press: Anti-Science Gov. Jindal Still Pushing His Scam

Phony reformer says nothing needs to change
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Here’s Louisiana’s creationist Governor Bobby Jindal on Meet the Press today, helpfully explaining that even though he’s been saying the GOP needs to change its ways (to help position himself for a presidential run), they don’t actually need to change anything — anything at all! — about their policies.

Starting with gay rights, which Jindal of course is utterly opposed to. When David Gregory ever-so-gently presses him on typical Republican issues, it becomes clear that Jindal’s public relations push is simply a scam — kabuki theater for the Beltway media. He might as well have ended his spiel with “nudge nudge, wink wink,” because he’s not fooling anyone.

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187 comments
1 erik_t  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:47:43am

Since the GOP has no interest in changing, I propose NBC no longer waste its hard-earned dollars on something called “wingnut-monitoring.”

2 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:48:29am

How does he expect this to work? This is like double-Kabuki— there’s no way Jindal can be dumb enough to think that taking this approach and talking about it is going to be successful.

3 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:50:08am

Republicans can hate on gays and still win national elections. And

vegetarians can eat meat and still call themselves vegetarians.


Works for me.

4 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 11:00:24am

It’s like the Monty Python dead parrot sketch, with Jindal playing both parts at once.

5 Skip Intro  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 11:01:30am

re: #2 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

How does he expect this to work? This is like double-Kabuki— there’s no way Jindal can be dumb enough to think that taking this approach and talking about it is going to be successful.

It will be successful controlling the base. At this point, the GOP can’t do anything else.

Nobody else trusts them, and even a cautious move to the early 20th century will antagonize the base and get The Great Limbaugh belching fartfire at them, marginalizing them even more.

6 jaunte  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 11:01:32am

“Look, I believe in the traditional definition of marriage,” Jindal said, posting his conservative credentials before disappearing behind a squid-cloud of talking points.

7 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 11:06:23am

Well, that wasn’t so hard.

After three years here, I finally published my first page.

I kinda feel like a proud papa.

8 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 11:17:43am

re: #7 BongCrodny

Well, that wasn’t so hard.

After three years here, I finally published my first page.

I kinda feel like a proud papa.

More than I have done in five years…and I am not likely to do so at any time in the foreseeable future

9 erik_t  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 11:18:40am

re: #2 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

there’s no way Jindal can be dumb enough to think that taking this approach and talking about it is going to be successful.

Challenge accepted.

10 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 11:24:36am

re: #7 BongCrodny

Well, that wasn’t so hard.

After three years here, I finally published my first page.

I kinda feel like a proud papa.

You broke your Page cherry, congrats!

11 jamesfirecat  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 11:29:48am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

It’s like the Monty Python dead parrot sketch, with Jindal playing both parts at once.

This party is stone dead!

12 dragonath  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 11:30:10am

Uh…

Mich. GOP pushes on with electoral vote plan

Republicans handed Bobby Schostak another two-year term as state chairman Saturday and overwhelmingly endorsed a plan to change Michigan presidential electoral vote rules in a way opponents charge is intended to distort election results in favor of GOP candidates.

By a 1,370-132 margin at the party convention in Lansing, GOP members approved a resolution backing a proposal from Rep. Pete Lund, R-Shelby Township, to divvy-up 14 of the state’s 16 electoral votes according to which candidate got the most votes in each congressional district. The other two would go to the state-wide vote total winner.

13 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 11:32:08am

re: #11 jamesfirecat

This party is stone dead!

They have painted themselves into a corner: they have to maintain their base and can win state and local elections with their fundamentalist, anti-tax, anti-gay, anti-abortion/contraception approach, but they will have trouble fielding a candidate who has a chance at a national level.

14 dragonath  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 11:34:03am

From further down in that same article:

Schostak bridges divide

Schostak had to rally his strongest backers to remain chairman. The official count wasn’t announced, but GOP officials said his proportional margin was 52 percent to Todd Courser’s 48 percent.

Courser is a Lapeer attorney and accountant who describes himself as a constitutional conservative and claimed to have support from party members who’d backed the candidacy of Ron Paul in last year’s primary election.

15 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 11:38:41am

re: #12 dragonath

Uh…

Mich. GOP pushes on with electoral vote plan

WE CAN’T LET THOSE WELFARE MOOCHERS IN DETROIT STEAL THE WHOLE ELECTION!1!111111!!!!TY

16 Political Atheist  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 11:40:26am

re: #7 BongCrodny

Well, that wasn’t so hard.

After three years here, I finally published my first page.

I kinda feel like a proud papa.

Pro tip- Link it when ya pimp it. :-)

17 Mattand  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 11:43:50am

Did anyone on the panel, at any point in the conversation, point out to Jindal that this was the problem with Republicans?

Eh, you know what? Never mind. The Republicans on this board barely acknowledge there’s a problem, and they appear to be grounded in reality. I can’t see Beltway Insiders on the Sunday panel shows doing this, for fearing of upsetting their guests.

18 dragonath  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 11:44:32am

Michigan has a history of doing this:

All states had discarded this method of elector selection [electoral districts] after 1832.

However, this method reappeared in Michigan for the 1892 election.[59] Before the election, the Democratic Party had gained control of Michigan’s state legislature and changed the method used from at-large popular voting to electoral district voting in order to capture at least a portion of the state’s electoral votes (at the time, Michigan tended to vote Republican).[59]

The plan worked, and Michigan split its vote: nine votes for Republican Benjamin Harrison and five votes for Democrat Grover Cleveland. Once the Republican party regained control of the state legislature, the method of elector selection was switched back to at-large popular voting.[59]

19 Tigger2  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:01:22pm

Everything positive Jindal said is exactly everything the Republican Party is against.

And piss on Reagan and what he stood for and all the Republicans that came after him spouting the same old Government bad bullshit , the Government is not our enemy.

20 Political Atheist  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:05:05pm

Daytona-Another commercial set already? Geez. Oh and Coke ran a commercial with a celebration of “peaceful warriors” i.e. graffiti artists. Edgy.

21 Ming  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:09:00pm

Concerning Jindal’s support for teaching Biblical creationism, he should know better, and I’m sure he does. He was a Rhodes Scholar, who majored in biology:
[Link: www.slate.com…]

The hypocrisy is breathtaking. Reminds me of Romney!

22 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:09:53pm

Creepiest Purim photo of the Day.

23 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:11:06pm

re: #22 Vicious Babushka

Creepiest Purim photo of the Day.

Uh, yeah!

24 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:14:38pm
25 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:15:15pm

That would make an awesome Halloween costume!

What the heck is it?

26 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:17:06pm

re: #25 Vicious Babushka

That would make an awesome Halloween costume!

What the heck is it?

I don’t think he can breathe.

27 Skip Intro  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:20:16pm

re: #12 dragonath

Uh…

Mich. GOP pushes on with electoral vote plan

If these guys were really smart they’d devise a system where they would choose how to divvy up the EVs after the election, so they could always choose the method more favorable to them. Hell, they’re already admitting they can’t win honestly any more, so why not?

I expect to hear Prince Rebus propose this before 2016, to overwhelming Republican support.

28 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:21:57pm

Say what you will, but it just goes to show you that GOP politicians are still the best money can buy.
/

29 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:22:43pm

I doubt whether it has much potential bearing on American politics, but Canadian politics offers a somewhat historical example of what can a happen when a conservative movement splits apart.

After the Progressive Conservative (also known as the Tories) party was all but obliterated in the 1993 election (that’s not an exaggeration, they came away with only TWO seats, far less than needed even for official party status) there were many who doubted they’d ever be relevant again and backers fled the party in droves.

Eventually this led to the morphing of the Reform party (a conservative 3rd party) into the Canadian Alliance, which included elements from both the Reform and PC side. Despite the formation of the Alliance Party, the PCs/Tories limped on. As a result, the conservative vote was routinely split in Federal Elections and the Liberals were able to stay in power for 13 consecutive years.

What finally changed the tide?

Well, aside from damage the Liberal party did to itself (by way of a scandal), the other major development was that the PC/Tories and Canadian Alliance finally agreed to kiss and make up and become the Conservative Party of Canada.

They regained power in 2006 and still hold it today.

So it seems to me that this Tea Party Republican/Rove Republican split is a natural part of the process the GOP will have to undergo in order to emerge once again as a united, viable party in American politics.

30 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:26:53pm

re: #29 Eclectic Cyborg

As you said, you don’t know how much potential bearing this has on American politics: was the Canadian conservative movement taken over by racist, misogynist, anti-abortionist, creationist, gun-nut neanderthals who lived in an echo chamber made up of their own news sources and bloggers?

Did they write off enormous blocs of the Canadian populace as being too dependent on government largesse to have any interest in their message?

31 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:28:09pm

re: #29 Eclectic Cyborg

I doubt whether it has much potential bearing on American politics, but Canadian politics offers a somewhat historical example of what can a happen when a conservative movement splits apart.

After the Progressive Conservative (also known as the Tories) party was all but obliterated in the 1993 election (that’s not an exaggeration, they came away with only TWO seats, far less than needed even for official party status) there were many who doubted they’d ever be relevant again and backers fled the party in droves.

Eventually this led to the morphing of the Reform party (a conservative 3rd party) into the Canadian Alliance, which included elements from both the Reform and PC side. Despite the formation of the Alliance Party, the PCs/Tories limped on. As a result, the conservative vote was routinely split in Federal Elections and the Liberals were able to stay in power for 13 consecutive years.

What finally changed the tide?

Well, aside from damage the Liberal party did to itself (by way of a scandal), the other major development was that the PC/Tories and Canadian Alliance finally agreed to kiss and make up and become the Conservative Party of Canada.

They regained power in 2006 and still hold it today.

So it seems to me that this Tea Party Republican/Rove Republican split is a natural part of the process the GOP will have to undergo in order to emerge once again as a united, viable party in American politics.

The only reason the conservatives are in power is because the left vote is fractured into three parties.

32 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:28:20pm

re: #30 Sol Berdinowitz

As you said, you don’t know how much potential bearing this has on American politics: was the Canadian conservative movement taken over by racist, misogynist, anti-abortionist, creationist, gun-nut neanderthals who lived in an echo chamber made up of their own news sources and bloggers?

Did they write off enormous blocs of the Canadian populace as being too dependent on government largesse to have any interest in their message?

No but the PCs did end up in a position where they were practically irrelevant to Canadian politics on a national level and might well never be again. They gotten beaten so bad in that 1993 vote practically nobody took them seriously anymore.

Sound a bit familiar?

33 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:28:51pm

re: #31 b_sharp

The only reason the conservatives are in power is because the left vote is fractured into three parties.

Liberals, NDP and….Green or Bloc?

34 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:29:14pm

re: #30 Sol Berdinowitz

As you said, you don’t know how much potential bearing this has on American politics: was the Canadian conservative movement taken over by racist, misogynist, anti-abortionist, creationist, gun-nut neanderthals who lived in an echo chamber made up of their own news sources and bloggers?

Did they write off enormous blocs of the Canadian populace as being too dependent on government largesse to have any interest in their message?

Yes.

35 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:30:03pm

What he fails to realize is that it’s not Obama cutting these hours, its his beloved “job creators” doing it because they really don’t want to be bothered providing any kind of benefits to their employees.

36 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:30:09pm

re: #33 Eclectic Cyborg

Liberals, NDP and….Green or Bloc?

All four.

37 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:31:16pm

re: #36 b_sharp

All four.

Ah ok, I am somewhat embarrassed to admit I wasn’t entirely sure what side of the spectum the Bloc was on.

Personally I don’t think they should exist. How can you have a so-called National Party that only runs candidates in one province?

38 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:36:25pm

re: #35 Eclectic Cyborg

What he fails to realize is that it’s not Obama cutting these hours, its his beloved “job creators” doing it because they really don’t want to be bothered providing any kind of benefits to their employees.

Ok so I just read the article he linked (I know) and damn has the Wall Street Journal ever gone downhill. Even the comments are terrible.

39 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:37:29pm

The NDP and Bloc split Quebec. The Liberals took several seats from the NDP. Conservatives only got 40% of the popular vote.

40 Lidane  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:37:47pm

re: #38 Eclectic Cyborg

Ok so I just read the article he linked (I know) and damn has the Wall Street Journal ever gone downhill. Even the comments are terrible.

No surprise there. The WSJ is owned by Rupert Murdoch.

41 gwangung  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:37:54pm

re: #27 Skip Intro

If these guys were really smart they’d devise a system where they would choose how to divvy up the EVs after the election, so they could always choose the method more favorable to them. Hell, they’re already admitting they can’t win honestly any more, so why not?

I expect to hear Prince Rebus propose this before 2016, to overwhelming Republican support.

Is this likely to run afoul of “one man, one vote” jurisprudence?

Or is the Supreme Court conservative enough to ignore all that?

42 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:38:46pm

re: #37 Eclectic Cyborg

Ah ok, I am somewhat embarrassed to admit I wasn’t entirely sure what side of the spectum the Bloc was on.

Personally I don’t think they should exist. How can you have a so-called National Party that only runs candidates in one province?

Stupid isn’t it?

43 dragonath  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:43:05pm

Hey, anyone from Alberta here? Your “Wildrose Alliance” party is nuts.

44 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:45:06pm

re: #43 dragonath

Hey, anyone from Alberta here? Your “Wildrose Alliance” party in Alberta is nuts.

Didn’t BC have a Sex Party or something like that? I know they had a Marijuana Party.

45 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:48:39pm

re: #42 b_sharp

Stupid isn’t it?

I don’t think the Bloc will be around much longer. Like the GOP demographics are going to do them in.

The upcoming generation of Quebecois aren’t nearly as isolated intellectually and emotionally from Canada. The Bloc was founded by people in reaction to decades of, well abuse isn’t quite a strong enough description. Malevolent neglect maybe better. Being French Canadian often kept a person from any sort of power in Canada. Quebecois were pretty much second class citizens.

Plus Quebec for a long time was under the sway of Maurice Duplessis who was pretty much like an Old South political ‘boss’. I believe that sharpened the anger of a lot of Quebecois. Most of the

separatistes

were opponents of Duplessis.

But that era is long over and most of those separatistes are gone, and their anger with them. Without those people, the Bloc will go the way of Duplessis’s Union Nationle.

46 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:49:58pm

re: #43 dragonath

Hey, anyone from Alberta here? Your “Wildrose Alliance” party is nuts.

Yeah, from what I’ve seen the Wildrose is Canada’s wingnut party. They think the Conservatives are commie bastards. There’s a number of Alberta separatists in it as well.

47 dragonath  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:50:52pm

Let’s name ourselves after a flower, cause we’re climate denialists and pro-drilling!

48 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:53:32pm

re: #47 dragonath

Wonder if it’s an attempt at a subtle dig at the use of a rose as a symbol by the Socialist International?

49 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:55:02pm

I missed this during election season.

Image: 4HLcW.gif

Always like a nice hot parable.

50 Lidane  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:55:19pm
51 Sionainn  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:00:21pm

re: #49 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I missed this during election season.

Image: 4HLcW.gif

Always like a nice hot parable.

Wow, a slide show .gif. Never saw one of those…and it made me laugh.

52 Shvaughn  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:04:12pm

re: #49 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I missed this during election season.

Image: 4HLcW.gif

Always like a nice hot parable.

That made me laugh too.

53 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:18:42pm

re: #37 Eclectic Cyborg

Ah ok, I am somewhat embarrassed to admit I wasn’t entirely sure what side of the spectum the Bloc was on.

Personally I don’t think they should exist. How can you have a so-called National Party that only runs candidates in one province?

They aren’t a national party. From what I read, the Bloc Quebecois doesn’t much care what happens to Canada outside of Quebec. They are something of an ethnic nationalist party, where as the other three major parties are much more about ideas, although geography still plays a strong role.

54 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:25:46pm
55 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:29:43pm

re: #54 Stanley Sea

I wonder what that same fellow’s opinion would be of Michael Bloomberg using a SuperPAC to fund pro-gun control candidates. I gather he’d say ‘commonsense’ instead of ‘shady’.

People see bad in what they do not agree with politically.

56 blueraven  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:31:46pm

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

I wonder what that same fellow’s opinion would be of Michael Bloomberg using a SuperPAC to fund pro-gun control candidates. I gather he’d say ‘commonsense’ instead of ‘shady’.

People see bad in what they do not agree with politically.

Bloomberg is quite open about it though. Transparency: that is the difference.

57 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:33:01pm

re: #43 dragonath

Hey, anyone from Alberta here? Your “Wildrose Alliance” party is nuts.

The Wildrose Alliance is the same party started as Reform that morphed into the current Conservative party. When the Conservative party was born, the extreme Alberta wingnuts abandoned ship and went to the Wildrose Alliance.

Alberta is Canada’s Texas.

58 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:34:43pm

re: #48 William Barnett-Lewis

Wonder if it’s an attempt at a subtle dig at the use of a rose as a symbol by the Socialist International?

I don’t think so. Wild roses are ubiquitous on the Western prairies, and if I remember correctly is the Provincial flower.

59 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:35:21pm

re: #54 Stanley Sea

Don’t you understand, if we regulate the one, the other will be in danger from rapists!

60 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:37:17pm

re: #57 b_sharp

Alberta is Canada’s Texas.

So are the Stampeders the Dallas Cowboys or is that the Eskimos??

61 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:37:38pm

re: #59 Sol Berdinowitz

Don’t you understand, if we regulate the one, the other will be in danger from rapists!

The phrase should be ‘additionally regulate’. Firearms have long been subject to many regulations, some of which aren’t specific to them, such as product liability regulations and laws.

62 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:38:42pm

re: #59 Sol Berdinowitz

Don’t you understand, if we regulate the one, the other will be in danger from rapists!

My whole thing was the graphic. To the point.

63 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:39:58pm

re: #54 Stanley Sea

Are they going to regulate that all female torso’s have to be elongated?

64 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:40:27pm

re: #63 Vicious Babushka

Are they going to regulate that all female torso’s have to be elongated?

Huh?

65 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:41:29pm

Touche

66 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:41:39pm

re: #60 sattv4u2

Alberta is Canada’s Texas.

So are the Stampeders the Dallas Cowboys or is that the Eskimos??

The Stamps have a horse as their symbol and every time they get a TD a female cowboy on a horse rides up and down the sidelines. The official hat of Calgary is a cowboy hat. When Will and Kate visited Calgary they were presented with cowboy hats.

What was the question again?

67 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:41:41pm

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

Huh?

Look at the graphic. That thing wearing panties is not a normal woman’s torso.

68 Shvaughn  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:41:43pm

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

Huh?

That woman’s torso looks really long. Her bellybutton is too high for starters.

69 kirkspencer  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:41:51pm

re: #59 Sol Berdinowitz

Don’t you understand, if we regulate the one, the other will be in danger from rapists!

Someone’s going to rape an AR-15?

kinky

70 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:43:15pm

re: #63 Vicious Babushka

Are they going to regulate that all female torso’s have to be elongated?

I was looking at that.

71 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:43:53pm

OT, love the Kindle commercial where man and women on beach are comparing kindles….she says, my husband is bringing me my drink, he says, “mine too”. Camera pans to two guys at drink hut.

Love it! Wonder if wingers even caught it.

72 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:45:06pm

re: #68 Shvaughn

That woman’s torso looks really long. Her bellybutton is too high for starters.

Do you think it was photoshopped?

73 Shvaughn  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:46:09pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

Do you think it was photoshopped?

Obviously was. I can recreate it in Microsoft Word. …wait, what?

74 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:47:20pm

re: #66 b_sharp

The Stamps have a horse as their symbol and every time they get a TD a female cowboy on a horse rides up and down the sidelines. The official hat of Calgary is a cowboy hat. When Will and Kate visited Calgary they were presented with cowboy hats.

What was the question again?

Cowboys, but Canadians, eh!

75 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:52:21pm

re: #74 Vicious Babushka

Cowboys, but Canadians, eh!

We need some way of getting a head of the US.

76 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:54:02pm

I am so lazy today. Must start laundry. Yuck.

77 Mattand  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:54:09pm

re: #75 b_sharp

We need some way of getting a head of the US.

Most of your fellow citizens think evolution happend. I’d say you’ve already won.

78 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:57:32pm

The latest fauxtrage over at Breitbart:

Former Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), President Barack Obama’s nominee for Secretary of Defense, co-authored a 2009 report that called for U.S. troops to lead a peacekeeping force that would patrol the future borders between Israel and a Palestinian state.

The report, referenced Saturday by Israel National News, also suggested that peace could be imposed from outside by the U.S., describing arguments to the contrary as “invalid.”

The report, co-authored by Hagel with Carter administration Secretary of State Zbigniew Brzezinski, and former George H.W. Bush adviser Brent Scowcroft, among others, was produced in an effort to influence Obama administration policy in the president’s first term. It called upon the new president to make resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict a top priority “early in his presidency” and to override “certain domestic constituencies.”

The report called for the U.S. military to be deployed as part of its suggested plan for peace:

A non-militarized Palestinian state, together with security mechanisms that address Israeli concerns while respecting Palestinian sovereignty, and a U.S.- led multinational force to ensure a peaceful transitional security period. This coalition peacekeeping structure, under UN mandate, would feature American leadership of a NATO force supplemented by Jordanians, Egyptians and Israelis. We can envision a five-year, renewable mandate with the objective of achieving full Palestinian domination of security affairs on the Palestine side of the line within 15 years.

79 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:57:51pm

re: #78 Gus

The latest fauxtrage over at Breitbart:

Hagel 2009: Send U.S. Troops to Impose Peace on Israel, Palestinians!!

80 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:58:39pm

re: #77 Mattand

Most of your fellow citizens think evolution happend. I’d say you’ve already won.

Where I live, a high minority don’t. They also think AGW is a hoax.

81 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:58:41pm

re: #27 Skip Intro

If these guys were really smart they’d devise a system where they would choose how to divvy up the EVs after the election, so they could always choose the method more favorable to them. Hell, they’re already admitting they can’t win honestly any more, so why not?

I expect to hear Prince Rebus propose this before 2016, to overwhelming Republican support.

“One for you, one for me. Two for you; one, two for me. Three for you; one, two, three for me.” — Bugs Bunny

82 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:58:59pm

How long before this twit’s 15 minutes is up?

National Prayer Breakfast speaker lectured Obama on flat tax to ‘please’ God

As the president was forced to sit and listen, Carson had suggested that Biblical “tithing” would be a better system than the current progressive tax where wealthy Americans pay a higher rate than the poor.

During an interview that aired on Sunday, Fox News host Chris Wallace asked Carson if he had any regrets about upstaging the president and hijacking the non-partisan prayer breakfast.

“I serve God,” Carson explained. “And my purpose is to please Him. And if God be for you, who can be against you?”

The neurosurgeon is retiring from his career as a surgeon in June and has said that a possible run for president was “up to God.”

83 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:01:14pm

re: #78 Gus

The latest fauxtrage over at Breitbart:

It wasn’t a bad idea, seen by itself, but like all others it has no way to force the Palestinians to move away from rejectionism and terrorism. Until the Palestinians actually want peace, there will be no peace. You cannot impose a peace on people who refuse to accept it and are determined to attack you. but the proposal doesn’t make Hagel anti-Israel.

84 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:03:35pm

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

It wasn’t a bad idea, seen by itself, but like all others it has no way to force the Palestinians to move away from rejectionism and terrorism. Until the Palestinians actually want peace, there will be no peace. You cannot impose a peace on people who refuse to accept it and are determined to attack you. but the proposal doesn’t make Hagel anti-Israel.

I know. Would be better than the UN. Also, he was co-author of that.

PDF: [Link: www.fmep.org…]

Mostly old news of course. Plus, they’re ascribing powers to Hagel that a secretary of defense would never have.

85 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:04:30pm
The following recommendations for U.S. Middle East peacemaking were submitted to the administration of President Barack Obama by a bipartisan group of ten former senior government officials: Zbigniew Brzezinski, Chuck Hagel, Lee H. Hamilton, Carla Hills, Nancy Kassebaum-Baker, Thomas R.Pickering, Brent Scowcroft, Theodore C. Sorensen, Paul A. Volcker, and James D. Wolfensohn. All of them are Senior Advisors of the U.S./Middle East Project and members of its International Board, chaired by General Scowcroft.
86 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:11:54pm

re: #78 Gus

The latest fauxtrage over at Breitbart…

Interesting. It’s a thoroughly mainstream group of mostly conservative foreign policy geeks who recommended that, so of course to the Breitbrats it looks like radical Muslim commies trying to destroy Israel.

Idiots.

87 Lidane  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:12:37pm

Another day, another Wayne LaPierre derpfest:

Youtube Video
88 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:13:28pm

Ha!

Youtube Video

How to pronounce Quevenzhane Wallis - a PSA.

89 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:15:54pm

And I miss spelled it. But the PSA worked.

Kwah
Venn (diagram)
Jah (as in Zsa Zsa)
neigh (horse)

(Rashid) Wallace

90 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:15:58pm

re: #86 Charles Johnson

Interesting. It’s a thoroughly mainstream group of mostly conservative foreign policy geeks who recommended that, so of course to the Breitbrats it looks like radical Muslim commies trying to destroy Israel.

Idiots.

Yeah, chaired by noted hippie Brent Scowcroft. There are numerous signatories and Pollak is making it sound like Hagel is the sole author. Regardless, it’s an interesting idea and one that a secretary of defense COULD NOT implement.

91 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:20:35pm

re: #85 Gus

Mostly Republicans of the ‘Realist’ school, though Brzezinski and Volker were Carter appointees (though Volker also worked under Reagan as well). Not a radical in the lot, though, though Brzezinski’s work with the Council on Foreign Relations has gotten him some grief from various conspiracists in the last decade, most memorably from 9/11 Truther Luke Rudakowski.

92 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:20:50pm

re: #78 Gus

The latest fauxtrage over at Breitbart:

Dumb fucks didn’t read past their bias.

‘The report, referenced Saturday by Israel National News, also suggested that peace could be imposed from outside by the U.S., describing arguments to the contrary as “invalid.”’

Here is what they read:(Emphasis mine)

Previous initiatives having failed, the incoming administration will no doubt be urged to defer or avoid renewed engagement for three reasons:
1. Prioritizing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict would distract the new president from efforts to address critical challenges to the nation’s security: Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Russia, and threats from terror organizations.
2. Peace cannot be imposed by the U.S.A. or any outside party. The only enduring solution will be one conceived by the parties themselves.
3. Pressing both sides to reach agreement may risk angering domestic constituencies.
We believe all three arguments are invalid.

Here’s what the report says about US involvement in the peace process: (emphasis mine)

To maximize the prospects for success, we urge four key steps, drawing on lessons from past successes and failures.
1. Present a Clear U.S. Vision to End the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: The dispute between the two sides is too deep, and the discrepancies of power between them too vast, for them to solve their conflict without the U.S. acting as a determined outside and evenhanded advocate and facilitator.

The rest of the report talks about the US as facilitator.

93 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:25:08pm

re: #92 b_sharp

Dumb fucks didn’t read past their bias.

Here is what they read:(Emphasis mine)

Here’s what the report says about US involvement in the peace process: (emphasis mine)

The rest of the report talks about the US as facilitator.

That last is minor factor against negotiations, but not one likely to change: If forced to choose, it remains clear that the US would chose Israel over the Palestinians or neutrality. IMO, that’s actually the correct stance to have.

94 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:25:23pm

Wow, Pollak’s description of this report could not possibly be more misleading. These people are completely shameless.

95 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:27:08pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

Wow, Pollak’s description of this report could not possibly be more misleading. These people are completely shameless.

You really should put up a page on the topic and call out that lying sociopath.

96 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:27:22pm

The peacekeeping force recommended by this report IS NOT intended to “impose peace” — it’s to ensure peace and security during the transitional period to a two-state solution.

What an asshole Joel Pollak is. Just flat out lying again.

97 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:27:42pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

Wow, Pollak’s description of this report could not possibly be more misleading. These people are completely shameless.

Incredibly so:

Hagel’s call for U.S. troops to be deployed to the future border between Israel and a new Palestinian state contrasts sharply with his general reluctance to deploy troops abroad, and his repeated insistence on the limits of U.S. military power.

98 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:31:22pm

It’s also extremely clear from the context of the rest of the report that this peacekeeping force is intended mainly to protect ISRAEL during this transition:

A non-militarized Palestinian state, together with security mechanisms that address Israeli concerns while respecting Palestinian sovereignty, and a U.S.- led multinational force to ensure a peaceful transitional security period. This coalition peacekeeping structure, under UN mandate, would feature American leadership of a NATO force supplemented by Jordanians, Egyptians and Israelis. We can envision a five-year, renewable mandate with the objective of achieving full Palestinian domination of security affairs on the Palestine side of the line within 15 years.

99 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:34:40pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

It’s also extremely clear from the context of the rest of the report that this peacekeeping force is intended mainly to protect ISRAEL during this transition:

Joel Pollak’s never let the truth get between him and something he wanted.

100 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:34:47pm

Give it a couple of minutes and it’ll morph into “CHUCK HAGEL WANTS TO INVADE ISRAEL!!11TY”

101 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:37:44pm

Pollak says:

In his Cairo speech, Obama portrayed the creation of Israel as solely resulting from the Holocaust…

Here’s what Obama actually said:

America’s strong bonds with Israel are well known. This bond is unbreakable. It is based upon cultural and historical ties, and the recognition that the aspiration for a Jewish homeland is rooted in a tragic history that cannot be denied.

Around the world, the Jewish people were persecuted for centuries, and anti-Semitism in Europe culminated in an unprecedented Holocaust. Tomorrow, I will visit Buchenwald, which was part of a network of camps where Jews were enslaved, tortured, shot and gassed to death by the Third Reich. Six million Jews were killed — more than the entire Jewish population of Israel today. Denying that fact is baseless, it is ignorant, and it is hateful. Threatening Israel with destruction — or repeating vile stereotypes about Jews — is deeply wrong, and only serves to evoke in the minds of Israelis this most painful of memories while preventing the peace that the people of this region deserve.

How the hell can you read “Obama portrayed the creation of Israel as solely resulting from the Holocaust” into that? Not only did he not say this, he didn’t say anything like it.

There really is something haywire in Pollak’s brain.

102 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:39:33pm

In fact, it would be pretty hard to come up with a more pro-Jewish and pro-Israel statement than Obama’s in that speech.

But Joel Pollak sees evidence of antisemitism.

I swear. I don’t even.

103 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:40:59pm

U.S./Middle East Project

The U.S./Middle East Project “was established in 1994 by the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) under the direction of Henry Siegman, a senior fellow on the Middle East at the Council. In 2006, the U.S./Middle East Project became an independent policy institute. Its mission is to provide non partisan analysis of the Middle East peace process and to present policymakers in the United States, in the region and in the larger international community with balanced policy analysis and policy options to prevent conflict and promote stability, democracy, modernization and economic development throughout the region.

“The U.S./Middle East Project pursues these goals under the guidance of an International Board chaired by General (Ret.) Brent Scowcroft (President, Forum for International Policy; former National Security Adviser to President Gerald Ford and President George H.W. Bush). The International Board comprises eminent personalities with extensive experience, in government and in the private sector, in dealing with the political, economic and social aspects of this critical and troubled region.”

104 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:48:03pm

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

It wasn’t a bad idea, seen by itself, but like all others it has no way to force the Palestinians to move away from rejectionism and terrorism. Until the Palestinians actually want peace, there will be no peace. You cannot impose a peace on people who refuse to accept it and are determined to attack you. but the proposal doesn’t make Hagel anti-Israel.

Not all the Palestinians want terrorism, just as not all Israelis want peace. A little nuance please.

105 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:49:08pm

Watch it grow.

106 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:49:18pm

Will this BS get picked up by anyone else? Or have the Breitbrats finally burned the right wing media enough times that the lesson is sinking into their thick heads?

107 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:49:46pm

Wait! It’s expanding into a conspiracy already.

108 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:49:58pm

Reason For Nomination Exposed!!

109 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:50:16pm

Secret plan to deploy troops!

110 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:50:58pm

OH NOES! A SEKRIT PLAN!

111 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:51:00pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

Will this BS get picked up by anyone else? Or have the Breitbrats finally burned the right wing media enough times that the lesson is sinking into their thick heads?

Geller is on it!

Hagel Advocated Deploying US Troops to Israel to Enforce ‘Palestinian’ Terror State!!

112 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:51:01pm

Israel is being used. So sick of the bs from the warmongers.

113 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:51:35pm

And they’re so dastardly that they hid it in a publicly released report with their names on it! THOSE DASTARDLY BASTARDS!

114 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:51:42pm

SECRET PLAN TO ENFORCE TERRORIST “PALESTINIAN STATE!!!’

115 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:53:36pm

Dollard and Geller, totally expected, they’ll go for anything. Hoft will be on it in a minute or two.

I could be wrong, but since their last fail was so incredibly embarrassing, I’m betting most of the right wing media aren’t going to pick up this turd.

116 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:58:55pm

re: #104 Romantic Heretic

Not all the Palestinians want terrorism, just as not all Israelis want peace. A little nuance please.

I didn’t think it needed to be said that neither population is monolithic. But allowing for that, the pro-‘ethnic cleansing’ people in Israel do not dominate the nation and when they attempt to further their wishes violently they are imprisoned. The pro-‘ethnic cleansing’ Palestinians dominate their people’s discussion and maintain their position by extreme forms of shaming and by force of arms.

117 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:00:14pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

Dollard and Geller, totally expected, they’ll go for anything. Hoft will be on it in a minute or two.

I could be wrong, but since their last fail was so incredibly embarrassing, I’m betting most of the right wing media aren’t going to pick up this turd.

Andrew C. McCarthy, though; He might be foolish enough to go with it. I hope not, but I’m not going to hold my breath.

118 kirkspencer  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:00:57pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

Dollard and Geller, totally expected, they’ll go for anything. Hoft will be on it in a minute or two.

I could be wrong, but since their last fail was so incredibly embarrassing, I’m betting most of the right wing media aren’t going to pick up this turd.

Didn’t you say that after some earlier embarrassing fails? I mean, I think well of your willingness to continue offering the benefit of doubt, of thinking this time they’ll not succumb to the stupidity and urge to play with both MBF and ratings. But we have not reached peak wingnut, and until we do no derpitude is too great to be denied at least some time in the sun.

119 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:01:09pm

re: #109 Gus

Secret plan to deploy troops!

What brand of cereal do we have to buy to get our decoder rings???

120 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:02:43pm

re: #119 sattv4u2

What brand of cereal do we have to buy to get our decoder rings???

Either Fruit Loops or Cocoa Puffs.

121 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:03:28pm

Pat Dullard’s full headline: “REASON FOR NOMINATION EXPOSED: OBAMA AND HAGEL HAVE SECRET PLAN TO DEPLOY U.S. TROOPS TO GAZA IN ORDER TO ‘CRIPPLE ISRAEL AT ANY COST’”

Unreal. What a demented, evil misreading of the story.

122 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:04:26pm

They even added a dollar figure to this fantasy. This appears to be the recent seed: Op-Ed: Hagel’s $160 Billion ‘West Bank’ US Troops Deathtrap

123 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:05:08pm

Dullard puts “CRIPPLE ISRAEL AT ANY COST” in quotes.

It’s not a quote. Nobody said that, except him.

124 jaunte  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:06:45pm

re: #122 Gus

Not clear why it’s automatically a “deathtrap” for US troops but not for IDF troops.

125 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:07:26pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

Dullard puts “CRIPPLE ISRAEL AT ANY COST” in quotes.

It’s not a quote. Nobody said that, except him.

Looks like he copied and pasted the whole Artuz Sheva post.

126 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:07:51pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

Dullard puts “CRIPPLE ISRAEL AT ANY COST” in quotes.

It’s not a quote. Nobody said that, except him.

Extreme dishonesty: It’s what’s for dinner tonight. I think I’ll stick to the truth instead.

“Hooray for ‘Big Hollywood’,
where if you lie enough they’ll call you good!”

/spits

127 Interesting Times  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:13:15pm

Just when I think it can’t possibly sink any lower, the answer is, challenge accepted! 9_9

128 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:14:12pm

re: #118 kirkspencer

Didn’t you say that after some earlier embarrassing fails? I mean, I think well of your willingness to continue offering the benefit of doubt, of thinking this time they’ll not succumb to the stupidity and urge to play with both MBF and ratings. But we have not reached peak wingnut, and until we do no derpitude is too great to be denied at least some time in the sun.

Yeah, I know, I can’t say I’d be surprised if it’s all over Fox News tonight. But that last fail got the Breitbrats criticized even by some of the right wing blogs, and the Daily Caller posted a sarcastic article about them without ever mentioning Breitbart.com.

The Breitbrats aren’t particularly well-liked even in the right wing blogosphere. They’ve seriously burned some people, both with their fake stories and professionally in a business way.

129 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:14:50pm

re: #125 Gus

Looks like he copied and pasted the whole Artuz Sheva post.

Yep, I was just reading the cached version:

Obama’s determination in confirming Hagel is based on Obama’s belief that Hagel will cripple Israel at any price: including the deaths of thousands of US soldiers at the hands of Hamas suicide bombs in the Palestinian Authority.

130 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:14:57pm

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

Extreme dishonesty: It’s what’s for dinner tonight. I think I’ll stick to the truth instead.

“Hooray for ‘Big Hollywood’,
where if you lie enough they’ll call you good!”

/spits

And how weird can Brad and Angie look?

131 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:16:03pm

re: #129 CuriousLurker

Obama’s determination in confirming Hagel is based on Obama’s belief that Hagel will cripple Israel at any price: including the deaths of thousands of US soldiers at the hands of Hamas suicide bombs in the Palestinian Authority.

Whoa now.

132 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:17:05pm

re: #129 CuriousLurker

Yep, I was just reading the cached version:

By Mark Langfan

1983 – Cornell University, B. A. in Mathematics, Cum Laude with distinctions in all subjects.
1986 – Boston University School of Law, J. D., Magna Cum Laude, Editor of the Boston University Law School Law Review, received numerous additional law school scholastic awards.

Can you believe that? Pollak went to Harvard. Just goes to show.

133 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:18:01pm

re: #129 CuriousLurker

Yep, I was just reading the cached version:

That’s extremely dangerous rhetoric. Holy shit.

Just how badly do they want to believe this delusional fantasy?

134 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:18:31pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

Whoa now.

Yeah, it’s toxic. I was just poking around for info on the article’s author, but quit because I’m not really in the mood to wade around in the muck. Pretty much what you’d expect for someone writing for Arutz Sheva.

135 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:18:38pm

Reading this stuff feels like reading the diaries of people confined to institutions for the dangerously insane.

136 freetoken  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:19:08pm

re: #133 Eclectic Cyborg

Just how badly do they want to believe this delusional fantasy?

Real bad.

In order for Obama to be the Anti-Christ he also has to be anti-Israel, don’t you know?

137 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:19:29pm

re: #132 Gus

By Mark Langfan

Can you believe that? Pollak went to Harvard. Just goes to show.

Heh, looks like we were doing the same thing…

138 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:19:53pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

Reading this stuff feels like reading the diaries of people confined to institutions for the dangerously insane.

Except he’s most likely the neighbor with the BMW.

139 Bulworth  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:21:19pm

Wait, President McCain wasn’t on Meet John McCain this week? //

141 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:24:15pm

re: #136 freetoken

Real bad.

In order for Obama to be the Anti-Christ he also has to be anti-Israel, don’t you know?

Yeah but they’ve twisted everything up so bad even a pretzel is like “Damn!”.

142 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:24:55pm

OT, but I’ve just been watching some comedy videos on youtube. Not sure how many of you have heard of a Canadian comic named Russell Peters, but he does some great stuff. Highly recommended. Here’s a sample:

Youtube Video
143 freetoken  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:25:55pm

The slow fight against the fight against progress:

Voting Rights Act Case Pits the Rights of Humans Against the ‘Sovereignty’ of States

144 Bulworth  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:26:11pm

re: #121 Charles Johnson

Pat Dullard’s full headline: “REASON FOR NOMINATION EXPOSED: OBAMA AND HAGEL HAVE SECRET PLAN TO DEPLOY U.S. TROOPS TO GAZA IN ORDER TO ‘CRIPPLE ISRAEL AT ANY COST’”

Unreal. What a demented, evil misreading of the story.

But can PBO and Hagel prove they don’t have such a double super secret probation plan? //

145 Bulworth  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:27:38pm

re: #143 freetoken

States are people, too, my friend.

People are not people, however, my friends.

/

146 freetoken  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:28:26pm

After BEAST-OBAMA! takes away your guns and surrenders Israel to the Arabs, you’ll be forced to wear burqas on your way to the FEMA! camps.

I heard about it on the radio.

147 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:28:40pm

re: #137 CuriousLurker

Heh, looks like we were doing the same thing…

Yeah. Had to find out who this guy was. Bad-craziness.

148 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:29:28pm

re: #144 Bulworth

But can PBO and Hagel prove they don’t have such a double super secret probation plan? //

Even if they can, the next allegation would just be that Obama’s father led the German strike force that bombed Pearl Harbor.

///

149 freetoken  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:30:00pm

Does Chuck Hagel still force his wives to wear burqas?

150 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:30:01pm

re: #145 Bulworth

States are people, too, my friend.

People are not people, however, my friends.

/

How can we be friends if we’re not people!!?!?!

151 aagcobb  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:30:07pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

Dollard and Geller, totally expected, they’ll go for anything. Hoft will be on it in a minute or two.

I could be wrong, but since their last fail was so incredibly embarrassing, I’m betting most of the right wing media aren’t going to pick up this turd.

The Right wing media is capable of feeling embarrassed?

152 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:30:47pm

re: #133 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s extremely dangerous rhetoric. Holy shit.

Just how badly do they want to believe this delusional fantasy?

Yeah, Langfan is pretty clearly going Godwin. Supposedly Hagel is advocating for a “lasting solution” (read “Final Solution”) thanks to his German-Polish (read Nazi) DNA. This shit is WAY the hell out there:

But get this, in early 2009, Hagel proved his total obsession with annihilating Israel by his stating in the 2009 paper’s preface: “In short, the next six to twelve months may represent the last chance for a fair, viable and lasting solution.” (Toto, we’re not in Nebraska 2009 anymore!) So, in 2009, Hagel was fiercely advocating for 60,000 US troops to have been already deployed by 2010, and 45 Billion US dollars already poured down the drain!! Such defense policy insanity conclusively proves Hagel is uniquely and inherently disqualified to be US Defense Secretary. Hagel’s 2009 “White Paper” shows only one thing: Obama has, in Hagel, knowingly nominated someone whose abysmal defense policy judgment is only “exceeded” by his evident virulent genetic in-bred German-Polish hate for both Israeli and American Jews.

153 jaunte  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:30:59pm

re: #137 CuriousLurker

Langfan has predicted $300 a barrel oil if “Israel, our bulwark against Islam, falls.”
He’s apparently making a living in the panic industry.

154 jaunte  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:32:00pm

re: #152 CuriousLurker

virulent genetic in-bred German-Polish hate

Well, there ya go.

155 jaunte  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:32:35pm

Science!

156 aagcobb  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:32:39pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

Reading this stuff feels like reading the diaries of people confined to institutions for the dangerously insane.

I give it 9.5 Taitz on the wingnut scale.

157 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:33:59pm

re: #152 CuriousLurker

Yeah, Langfan is pretty clearly going Godwin. Supposedly Hagel is advocating for a “lasting solution” (read “Final Solution”) thanks to his German-Polish (read Nazi) DNA. This shit is WAY the hell out there:

Well, my father and his siblings are 50% German, but not one of them is an anti-Semite. So that sort of line is just a big ole heap of GODWIN FAIL.

158 Bulworth  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:34:02pm

re: #149 freetoken

And to think Hagel was a Republican Senator a few years ago. Now it appears he is a super secret jihadist. ///

159 freetoken  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:35:54pm

One big Koi pond in the making?

Biologists: Giant goldfish threaten Lake Tahoe

160 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:36:01pm

re: #156 aagcobb

I give it 9.5 Taitz on the wingnut scale.

1.0 Taitz being equivalent to 1.0 Gigli in the movies, correct?

161 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:36:21pm

Virulent genetic in-bred German-Polish hate? What in hell?

162 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:37:29pm

re: #140 freetoken

E.g.:

Rev Manning Says Obama Antichrist? Video. Says He’s Ready To Face Beast-Obama

I read the comments there, and I think I need a shower.

163 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:37:35pm

re: #161 Gus

Virulent genetic in-bred German-Polish hate? What in hell?

I read that some time ago. I’m still trying to get it out of my head.

164 jaunte  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:37:46pm

re: #161 Gus

Must be all that abyss-staring.

165 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:37:53pm

re: #153 jaunte

Langfan has predicted $300 a barrel oil if “Israel, our bulwark against Islam, falls.”
He’s apparently making a living in the panic industry.

Yeah, and his “Topographic Map System” WRT Israel’s water supply seems to be linked to settlements and the desire to expel the Palestinians from “Judea and Samaria” (the right wingers almost always refer to the West Bank as Judea & Samaria—it appears to be some kind of dog whistle).

166 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:39:02pm

re: #165 CuriousLurker

Arutz Sheva is basically run by the far right settler movement.

167 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:39:38pm

Benjamin Netanyahu’s father was born in Warsaw, Poland.

168 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:39:42pm

re: #159 freetoken

One big Koi pond in the making?

Biologists: Giant goldfish threaten Lake Tahoe

From the article:

It’s believed the goldfish got into Lake Tahoe from people dumping aquariums into the lake.

Wow, biology fail.

169 Bulworth  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:40:01pm

So what all did yesterday’s Days of Rage Resistance accomplish?

170 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:40:30pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

Arutz Sheva is basically run by the far right settler movement.

Yep, it shows. Ugh.

171 freetoken  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:40:58pm

re: #168 Eclectic Cyborg

You’d need a big bowl for this guy:

Image: Christine-and-Goldfish-2-jpg.jpg

see also:
[Link: www.kcra.com…]

172 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:44:04pm

Kuah Ven Zsa Neigh

173 palomino  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:46:55pm

re: #68 Shvaughn

That woman’s torso looks really long. Her bellybutton is too high for starters.

Even if distorted, the woman’s torso excites me a lot more than the AR-15. But, then again, I’m not a Republican.

174 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:47:32pm

DERP: Hagel: Enforce ‘Palestine’ On The Pre ‘67 Lines By Sending U.S. Troops Into A $160B Death Trap

The real reason President Obama wants Chuck Hagel as Secretary of Defense so bad is not just because he’s a Republican who can be a convenient figleaf for the president’s planned hollowing out of our military.

It’s because he profoundly agrees with President Obama’s views on Israel and with top level Obama advisers like the president’s NSC assistant Samantha Power. The way to ‘solve’ what they see as the Israel problem is to invade with U.S. troops, forcibly evict any Jews living outside the pre ‘67 lines including Jerusalem and leave American ‘peacekeepers’ in place to enforce it.

That is exactly what Chuck Hagel, long time Israel hater and former Carter NSC adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, Brent Scowcraft, Arab lobbyist Carla Hills and a slew of the usual suspects proposed to President Obama in a 2009 report entitled ““A Last Chance for a Two-State Israel-Palestine Agreement”.

The report calls for an imposed settlement and of course, links the Israel problem with al-Qaeda, even though the Arabs waged genocidal jihad on Israel before al-Qaeda was even in existence.Here are a few lovely ideas contained in this document. First it mentions that America’s pro-Israel community might be a tad upset, but that an American president ought to be able to perform the massive con job needed to convince most Americans why this is so vital, and why vast amounts of taxpayer dollars need to be spent…

Unbelievable watching this grow.

175 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:49:09pm

So to recap…

The way to ‘solve’ what they see as the Israel problem is to invade with U.S. troops, forcibly evict any Jews living outside the pre ‘67 lines including Jerusalem and leave American ‘peacekeepers’ in place to enforce it.

Uh huh. That’s what the report says.

176 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:49:20pm

re: #174 Gus

So far it’s just the derposphere though.

177 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:50:25pm

re: #173 palomino

Even if distorted, the woman’s torso excites me a lot more than the AR-15. But, then again, I’m not a Republican.

Looking for beautiful woman with AR-15 and high capacity clips. Please send photo of gun and clips.

178 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:50:55pm

re: #175 Gus

So to recap…

Uh huh. That’s what the report says.

I read most of the report. I didn’t see that in there. Maybe it was written in invisible ink between the lines?

179 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:52:56pm

re: #168 Eclectic Cyborg

From the article:

Wow, biology fail.

That’s how the species got into the lake. When freed of space constraints, goldfish will continue to grow their entire lives, which can last 20 years or more. So a foot-long goldfish is entirely possible if it has enough space and food.

180 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:54:12pm

re: #178 b_sharp

I read most of the report. I didn’t see that in there. Maybe it was written in invisible ink between the lines?

Layers!

181 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:56:34pm

re: #178 b_sharp

I read most of the report. I didn’t see that in there. Maybe it was written in invisible ink between the lines?

From the report:

Two states, based on the lines of June 4, 1967, with minor, reciprocal, and agreed-upon modifications as expressed in a 1:1 land swap, to take into account areas heavily populated by Israelis in the West Bank;

182 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:59:56pm

re: #181 Gus

From the report:

Two states, based on the lines of June 4, 1967, with minor, reciprocal, and agreed-upon modifications as expressed in a 1:1 land swap, to take into account areas heavily populated by Israelis in the West Bank;

That I read.

The way to ‘solve’ what they see as the Israel problem is to invade with U.S. troops, forcibly evict any Jews living outside the pre ‘67 lines including Jerusalem and leave American ‘peacekeepers’ in place to enforce it.

That doesn’t say the same thing.

183 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 4:01:08pm

re: #182 b_sharp

That I read.

That doesn’t say the same thing.

Can you believe that? Such bold faced lies? Weird.

184 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 4:02:20pm

re: #182 b_sharp

That I read.

That doesn’t say the same thing.

No, but the asshole writing it is betting his readers won’t click the ‘source’ material and find out the truth.

185 Professor Chaos  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 4:03:50pm

They got an extra ten days to dig up something, anything on Hagel to derail his confirmation. They’ve come up with exactly one Friend of Hamas less than jack-shit. Now this. These people truly disgust me.

186 Amory Blaine  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 4:59:14pm

re: #153 jaunte

Langfan has predicted $300 a barrel oil if “Israel, our bulwark against Islam, falls.”
He’s apparently making a living in the panic industry.

The speculator tax is high.

187 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:07:56pm

re: #24 Stanley Sea

LOL!


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