An Open Letter to South Carolina Gov. @NikkiHaley: Bree Newsome Should Take Down the Confederate Flag

The power of symbols
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When African American activist Bree Newsome scaled the flagpole and took down the Confederate battle flag on the grounds of the South Carolina statehouse and was immediately arrested, she epitomized the growing revulsion of Americans for this divisive symbol of slavery and racism.

Now that the South Carolina legislature has voted to do the same thing Bree Newsome did, I call on Governor Nikki Haley to pardon Newsome for any charges that are still outstanding for her act of civil disobedience. And more than that…

Governor Haley, this entire debate has been about the power of symbolism to inspire people to both noble and horrible acts. Governor Haley, you should ask Bree Newsome to repeat her act of civil disobedience, but with the full approval of this new legislation, and take down the Confederate battle flag from the South Carolina statehouse grounds for the final time.

And this time she won’t need to scale the pole. She can take it down from the ground, with the full approval of the state of South Carolina.

What greater symbolism could there be, in a national debate over the power of symbols?

Sincerely,

Charles Johnson
littlegreenfootballs.com

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402 comments

1 WhatEVs  Jul 9, 2015 6:52:12pm

Brilliant. And, bravo.

2 Iwouldprefernotto  Jul 9, 2015 6:55:06pm

All the puddings.updings.

3 Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2015 6:55:16pm

After taking it down, would setting it on fire be a step too far?

4 Iwouldprefernotto  Jul 9, 2015 6:56:27pm

re: #3 Skip Intro

After taking it down, would setting it on fire be a step too far?

Yes. The might need it at the Republican convention.

5 bratwurst  Jul 9, 2015 6:56:36pm
6 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 9, 2015 6:57:23pm

re: #5 bratwurst

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“whether the water is salt or fresh, shit floats”

7 allegro  Jul 9, 2015 6:57:31pm

re: #3 Skip Intro

After taking it down, would setting it on fire be a step too far?

No, this flag is historic. It should be displayed in a museum along with its story - why it flew and how it came down. There should be a picture of Bree doing it there too.

8 Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2015 6:57:59pm

re: #4 Iwouldprefernotto

Yes. The might need it at the Republican convention.

That’s true. It could be their “blood flag”, and every delegate would have to kiss it.

9 Drive By Commenter  Jul 9, 2015 6:58:00pm

Drop the charges. No property was damaged, nor were threats made. Completely non violent. Allow Bree Newsome to come to the capitol and lower that flag for once and for all time. People and politicians have the opportunity in their lives, if they are lucky, to do the right and just thing for posterity. It comes seldom. This is a moment. Seize it Haley. She can do both with one stroke of a pen. Set the stage and end it. Now.

10 Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2015 6:58:38pm

re: #7 allegro

Why is “this flag” historic? Didn’t they just buy it at WalMart?

11 Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2015 6:59:40pm

re: #9 Drive By Commenter

I’d fear for her life if she did that. I don’t think it’s a good idea.

12 jaunte  Jul 9, 2015 7:00:03pm

re: #10 Skip Intro

It commemorates the great struggle against integrating lunch counters in 1961.

13 unproven innocence  Jul 9, 2015 7:00:12pm

IMO, Bree should not have to climb that flagpole again.

14 allegro  Jul 9, 2015 7:01:04pm

re: #10 Skip Intro

Why is “this flag” historic? Didn’t they just buy it at WalMart?

You don’t think what has gone down in the past two weeks over that particular flag counts as historic?

15 Drive By Commenter  Jul 9, 2015 7:02:16pm

re: #11 Skip Intro

Then you do what was done 50 years ago and have National Guard there because there is no racism in America any more, is there. And it’s just a flag. How could a flag kill people? Put up or shut up time for the heritage and history buffs.

16 Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2015 7:02:37pm

re: #14 allegro

A picture of the flag coming down would be sufficient. The actual rag has no historical value.

17 Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2015 7:04:15pm

In place of the flag they should install a replica of a slave market.

Now that’s real history that no one can deny.

18 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 7:04:37pm
19 b_sharp  Jul 9, 2015 7:04:41pm

So.

What’s happening in the land of milf and honey?

20 The War TARDIS  Jul 9, 2015 7:05:21pm

re: #13 unproven innocence

The moment I heard that had happened, this popped into my mind. And stayed there for the rest of the day.

You’re welcome. :D

21 Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2015 7:05:48pm

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

That picture, and a picture of Bree lowering the flag surrounded by the National Guard would go well together.

22 missliberties  Jul 9, 2015 7:06:50pm

I am down with that.

It would certainly help start some serious national healing.

23 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 7:07:37pm

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Nikki Haley really doesn’t understand that in 1961, she wouldn’t have been allowed to sit at a whites-only diner.

24 #FergusonFireside  Jul 9, 2015 7:09:06pm

OT but….whoa

25 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 9, 2015 7:09:43pm

re: #19 b_sharp

So.

What’s happening in the land of milf and honey?

26 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2015 7:12:08pm

niterz, lizardz!

27 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 9, 2015 7:13:50pm

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Yeah make a NASCAR barrier 2000 miles long.

28 Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2015 7:15:10pm

re: #27 The Vicious Babushka

You know why the fence looks like that? Because Congress never allocated enough money to fund building it, and they never will no matter what the loudmouths say.

29 jaunte  Jul 9, 2015 7:17:13pm

re: #27 The Vicious Babushka

Only 800 Daytonas long.

30 Drive By Commenter  Jul 9, 2015 7:18:04pm

My daughter was with one of her college room mates in Ventnor NJ for the day and someone saw a shark. Sure they did. Hysteria now. In my day I saw people freak over rays and porpoise. Watched a couple walk on water getting away from a horseshoe crab. PELICANNNN!!!! RUUNNN!!

Fixed my lack of a proper spell check engine typo….I blame my puter.

31 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 9, 2015 7:18:07pm

I’m not going to be long with you folks this evening. The Scuba Van and Trailer are on their way back from Alabama (A summer camp program last few days), and when it gets back around midnight we’ve got to unload it, refill all the air tanks, reload it because it’s going out again at 5am on a trip to Morehead City NC. (Wish I was going on that trip, sharks, ship wrecks, sharks, German U-boat, oh, and sharks)

I volunteered to handle the task, since it’s not hard, just time consuming. That will let the owners rest up since they are back behind the wheel in the AM.

And yes, they have made a point to tell me that this will be remembered.

RBS

32 Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2015 7:18:08pm

re: #29 jaunte

That fence looks a little low to me.

33 jaunte  Jul 9, 2015 7:18:40pm

re: #32 Skip Intro

Yeah, might need 1600.

34 ObserverArt  Jul 9, 2015 7:19:32pm

Good idea.

But this is South Carolina.

Having Bree there might be a bridge too far. Sadly. And I would worry about her safety not just that day, but on down the line. They haven’t forgotten 150 years, they are not going to forget a couple of weeks.

35 Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2015 7:20:44pm

re: #33 jaunte

And it needs to be able to stop a stock car going 190mph. I hope someone asks Trump about that in Arizona.

36 Mattand  Jul 9, 2015 7:21:32pm

I’m fine with burning the effing thing and putting the ashes on display.

As for Bree: hopefully Obama will step up to the plate and grant a full pardon. That would be a nice mic drop/fuck you to our conservative friends.

37 b_sharp  Jul 9, 2015 7:24:06pm

re: #28 Skip Intro

You know why the fence looks like that? Because Congress never allocated enough money to fund building it, and they never will no matter what the loudmouths say.

According to the numbers, illegal immigrants are climbing the fence to go back to Mexico/Central America.

38 Mattand  Jul 9, 2015 7:25:06pm
39 b_sharp  Jul 9, 2015 7:25:11pm

re: #30 Drive By Commenter

My daughter was with one of her collage room mates in Ventnor NJ for the day and someone saw a shark. Sure they did. Hysteria now. In my day I saw people freak over rays and porpoise. Watched a couple walk on water getting away from a horseshoe crab. PELICANNNN!!!! RUUNNN!!

I saw 4 pelicans circling a spot on the highway last week. Should I have been concerned?

40 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 9, 2015 7:25:55pm

re: #27 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Yeah make a NASCAR barrier 2000 miles long.

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Build a fence, yeah, because the House majority couldn’t come up with a humane, workable, immigration bill if its collective life depended on it. That’s not to mention dealing with the need for providing agricultural workers a means to work here temporarily and legally should they choose to do so.

41 ObserverArt  Jul 9, 2015 7:27:30pm

Technical note. It isn’t the fence that stops the stock car. It is the 5 or more 3/4” to 1” steel cables running through the fence. The fence stops the smaller and loose parts and sometimes fails at that.

Those same steel cables would actually help a human across a fence…gives then a nice object to grab and act as rungs of a ladder and firms up the fence wire.

A car would go right through the fence pictured above.

RWNJ dreams…wrong again/

42 prairiefire  Jul 9, 2015 7:28:37pm

I’m sure this would be a bridge too far for Haley, Also, I’m concerened they would not be able to provide enough protection for Ms Newsome.

43 Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2015 7:28:50pm

re: #40 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The problem is they also use tunnels. Of course that’s nothing a couple of hundred thousand mines couldn’t fix. They’d go well with the machine gun towers some in the GOP like to fantasize about.

44 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 9, 2015 7:28:52pm

re: #41 ObserverArt

Technical note. It isn’t the fence that stops the stock car. It is the 5 or more 3/4” to 1” steel cables running through the fence. The fence stops the smaller and loose parts and sometimes fails at that.

Those same steel cables would actually help a human across a fence…gives then a nice object to grab and act as rungs of a ladder and firms up the fence wire.

A car would go right through the fence pictured above.

RWNJ dreams…wrong again/

There you go, destroying a wingnut meme with facts ‘n’ shit.

45 prairiefire  Jul 9, 2015 7:29:36pm

re: #34 ObserverArt

Good idea.

But this is South Carolina.

Having Bree there might be a bridge too far. Sadly. And I would worry about her safety not just that day, but on down the line. They haven’t forgotten 150 years, they are not going to forget a couple of weeks.

GMTA

46 jaunte  Jul 9, 2015 7:30:24pm

re: #43 Skip Intro

The problem is they also use tunnels. Of course that’s nothing a couple of hundred thousand mines couldn’t fix. They’d go well with the machine gun towers some in the GOP like to fantasize about.

And of course no one outside the US has ever used a boat.

47 b_sharp  Jul 9, 2015 7:30:40pm

re: #41 ObserverArt

Technical note. It isn’t the fence that stops the stock car. It is the 5 or more 3/4” to 1” steel cables running through the fence. The fence stops the smaller and loose parts and sometimes fails at that.

Those same steel cables would actually help a human across a fence…gives then a nice object to grab and act as rungs of a ladder and firms up the fence wire.

A car would go right through the fence pictured above.

RWNJ dreams…wrong again/

Of course. Wingnuts look for simplistic answers.

I was going to say ‘simple answers’ but that didn’t convey the idea of simpletons at work.

48 jaunte  Jul 9, 2015 7:31:45pm

re: #47 b_sharp

Of course. Wingnuts look for simplistic answers.

If we can’t make a meal decision, why can’t we have pizza and hot dogs???

49 Drive By Commenter  Jul 9, 2015 7:31:58pm

re: #39 b_sharp

I saw 4 pelicans circling a spot on the highway last week. Should I have been concerned?

Were they airborne or walking? Big difference./

50 Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2015 7:32:08pm

re: #41 ObserverArt

Technical note. It isn’t the fence that stops the stock car. It is the 5 or more 3/4” to 1” steel cables running through the fence. The fence stops the smaller and loose parts and sometimes fails at that.

Those same steel cables would actually help a human across a fence…gives then a nice object to grab and act as rungs of a ladder and firms up the fence wire.

A car would go right through the fence pictured above.

RWNJ dreams…wrong again/

Well of course we’d electrify it. Just ask yourself “what would the East Germans have done?”

51 Jenner7  Jul 9, 2015 7:32:36pm

re: #24 #FergusonFireside

holy poop! I’m a big Rick fan, so don’t mess with him. lol

52 FormerDirtDart  Jul 9, 2015 7:33:19pm
53 b_sharp  Jul 9, 2015 7:33:21pm

re: #49 Drive By Commenter

Were they airborne or walking? Big difference./

Flying.

Looking hungry.

54 Drive By Commenter  Jul 9, 2015 7:34:02pm

re: #53 b_sharp

Flying.

Looking hungry.

They can eat. A lot.

55 Single-handed sailor  Jul 9, 2015 7:35:37pm

re: #39 b_sharp

I saw 4 pelicans circling a spot on the highway last week. Should I have been concerned?

Have you seen the size of their mouths? They could bite off and swallow a human head whole.

56 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 9, 2015 7:35:56pm

re: #53 b_sharp

Flying.

Looking hungry.

Lived by the ocean for much of my life. I’ve seen pelicans take babies and German Shepherds. The really rowdy pelicans can take one of each at the same time.

57 #FergusonFireside  Jul 9, 2015 7:36:07pm

re: #46 jaunte

And of course no one outside the US has ever used a boat.

Pangas are arriving nightly up the coast.

58 Mattand  Jul 9, 2015 7:36:09pm

re: #30 Drive By Commenter

My daughter was with one of her collage room mates in Ventnor NJ for the day and someone saw a shark. Sure they did. Hysteria now. In my day I saw people freak over rays and porpoise. Watched a couple walk on water getting away from a horseshoe crab. PELICANNNN!!!! RUUNNN!!

I know someone who lives in Margate. Be curious to see if he heard anything.

And speaking of sharks, I just got back from watching Rifftrax chum Sharknado 2. So I can confirm several NJ shark sightings tonight.

59 b_sharp  Jul 9, 2015 7:37:10pm

re: #56 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Lived by the ocean for much of my life. I’ve seen pelicans take babies and German Shepherds. The really rowdy pelicans can take one of each at the same time.

Par-Tay.

60 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2015 7:37:30pm

I’m pretty sure the state of South Carolina could provide enough security to protect Bree Newsome if they do ask her to take down the flag.

And taking it down at a state-approved event would be much less dangerous than what she’s already done.

I don’t really hope this is going to happen - I’m not that naïve any more. But it would make an already powerful moment in US history much more memorable. It’s worth bringing it up.

61 The War TARDIS  Jul 9, 2015 7:38:11pm

Probably going to take next Tuesday off.

Pluto day!

62 Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2015 7:38:17pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

She’d live in fear for the rest of her life.

63 psddluva4evah  Jul 9, 2015 7:40:11pm

Oh…so now Webb tune has changed…huh…too late dude…too late.

64 Great White Snark  Jul 9, 2015 7:40:29pm

re: #62 Skip Intro

She’d live in fear for the rest of her life.

I have the impression she is of a stronger will than that.

65 The War TARDIS  Jul 9, 2015 7:40:38pm

Apparently, John Oliver got results.

He mentioned something about the Bail System in NY. No, they are looking at changing it.

Is he a US Citizen?

66 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 9, 2015 7:41:50pm

Oh, saw something that made me do a double take at Starbucks this evening. As I was walking across the lot, I saw a Prius parked there. Now normally a Prius in a Starbucks lot sounds like the setup for some lame wingnut humor.

It was what was on the Prius that caught my eye. Molon Labe, III Patriots (3% Patriot movement), Tea Party Patriots and another one that I don’t recall.

So we have a latte sipping, Prius driving RWNJ.

Mind…. Blown!

RBS

67 Mattand  Jul 9, 2015 7:42:34pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nikki Haley really doesn’t understand that in 1961, she wouldn’t have been allowed to sit at a whites-only diner.

Same for former excorsist/current rocket scientist Bobby Jindal.

68 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 9, 2015 7:42:48pm
69 Belafon  Jul 9, 2015 7:43:57pm

re: #27 The Vicious Babushka

I suspect rednecks had little to do with building that fence.

70 Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2015 7:44:14pm

re: #68 Eric The Fruit Bat

I admit I have no idea who those people are.

71 The War TARDIS  Jul 9, 2015 7:44:37pm

Also, this

72 Drive By Commenter  Jul 9, 2015 7:44:43pm

re: #58 Mattand

I know someone who lives in Margate. Be curious to see if he heard anything.

And speaking of sharks, I just got back from watching Rifftrax chum Sharknado 2. So I can confirm several NJ shark sightings tonight.

I checked the Jersey blurbs..no mention. Just takes one goofball running down the beach. “I SAW IT!!!!!”
We were at Fenwick Island Delaware many moon ago. I like Fenwick. Still do. My older boy was around 12, in the surf when there was a commotion. Life guard waving all in. Whistles blowing. People standing, looking. I’m thinking…Rip tide? Surf was getting a bit rough. My boy came up in a bit, plopped down and start laughing. I said, what’s up? He tells me the life guard saw a shark and lost her mind. My boy was standing there telling her “IT’S A RAY!” Nope. OUT NOW!!!!. Happened numerous times and that’s without chunks missing in NC.

73 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 9, 2015 7:45:08pm

re: #69 Belafon

I suspect rednecks had little to do with building that fence.

Only if it was made of cinder blocks.

74 b_sharp  Jul 9, 2015 7:45:31pm

re: #68 Eric The Fruit Bat

Who ya gonna call?

Why do I have the feeling the new Ghost Busters is going to lack the cerebral humour of the original?

75 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 9, 2015 7:48:08pm

re: #70 Skip Intro

Ghostbusters reboot

76 Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2015 7:48:41pm

re: #75 Eric The Fruit Bat

Yeah, I got that. I just don’t know who any of the stars are.

77 Belafon  Jul 9, 2015 7:49:47pm

re: #65 The War TARDIS

As far as I can tell, he’s still British. This piece from wikipedia about his personal life is pretty cool:

As of 2010, Oliver lives in New York with his wife Kate Norley, an Iraq War veteran who served as a US Army medic.[43] Oliver has said that they met at the 2008 Republican National Convention; he was doing a piece for The Daily Show and Norley was campaigning with Vets for Freedom. She and other veterans hid Oliver, the other correspondents, and the camera crew from security.

78 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2015 7:50:23pm

Shapiro is in a complete irrational frenzy over this.

79 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2015 7:50:28pm
80 Amory Blaine  Jul 9, 2015 7:51:19pm

Assembly passes bill banning abortion after 20 weeks

A Republican-backed bill to ban abortions after 20 weeks from fertilization passed the Assembly on Thursday and headed to the desk of Gov. Scott Walker.

Action on the bill came four days before the Republican governor plans to announce his bid for the presidency Monday in Waukesha. He repeatedly declined to say what he thought of the idea when he ran for re-election last year, but as his likely presidential run has taken off he has said he supports the measure and would sign it.

The bill passed the Assembly on a 61-34 party-line vote.

Debate quickly became heated on the Assembly floor.

“I feel that any woman who votes for this bill is truly a traitor to your gender,” said state Rep. Terese Berceau (D-Madison).

81 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2015 7:52:14pm
82 Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2015 7:53:27pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

Ben said we said it, so it must be true.

83 Mattand  Jul 9, 2015 7:54:28pm

re: #77 Belafon

I believe he’s in the process of applying for citizenship.

Last Week Tonight should win the Pulitzer for best journalism, TV or otherwise. Partly because he’s the only one actually doing it.

84 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2015 7:54:51pm
85 Belafon  Jul 9, 2015 7:59:28pm

re: #83 Mattand

Reading the second paragraph in the wikipedia entry on his personal life indicates he’s applying for citizenship and dealing with the trouble.

86 ObserverArt  Jul 9, 2015 8:03:14pm

Ben Shapiro is just not normal.

And with that…later lizards.

87 stpaulbear  Jul 9, 2015 8:05:27pm

re: #80 Amory Blaine

Assembly passes bill banning abortion after 20 weeks

It’s like the WI GOP put together a wish list of things that will make Wisconsin suck and they’re not going to be happy until every single item is crossed off the list. They haven’t missed a single rotten idea.

88 ipsos  Jul 9, 2015 8:06:25pm

re: #66 RealityBasedSteve

Maybe it was a Priebus Prius?

89 teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2015 8:08:22pm

*drool*

90 jaunte  Jul 9, 2015 8:19:47pm

re: #89 teleskiguy

Oops. A little bit of bad timing.

”..The interior takes the beach theme to Hawaii, with floral-pattern seats in pink, blue, and white reportedly inspired by Tom Selleck’s iconic Hawaiian shirts as worn on Magnum P.I. Rosewood slats lend an air of vintage class to the cargo area, and any doubts about the influence Magnum P.I. had on the team will be squashed when you open the tailgate and find Selleck’s mug incorporated into the side panels.”blog.caranddriver.com

91 teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2015 8:26:30pm

re: #90 jaunte

I still want one! And I’d install rear windows, I live in the mountains of Colorado, after all, d’fuck!

92 Chan Kobun  Jul 9, 2015 8:27:58pm

re: #71 The War TARDIS

Damnit, and I was going to post that but thought it wasn’t appropriate to post.

Seriously, it has all the Doctors, and Gandalf, and Wildstyle, and Batman, and Doc Brown and the Delorean, and Scooby Doo and Shaggy, and Homer Simpson and The Doctor jumping through the Aperture Science Testing Facility. I didn’t want to spend my money on this damn it!

93 jaunte  Jul 9, 2015 8:28:00pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

It is cool. The regular 2015 Jeep Cherokee is a real disappointment after seeing that one.

94 b_sharp  Jul 9, 2015 8:29:11pm

re: #89 teleskiguy

*drool*

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I just want my G. Cherokee up and running again.

95 austin_blue  Jul 9, 2015 8:31:24pm

re: #87 stpaulbear

It’s like the WI GOP put together a wish list of things that will make Wisconsin suck and they’re not going to be happy until every single item is crossed off the list. They haven’t missed a single rotten idea.

Won’t stand up. No fetus is viable at twenty weeks, and viability is the Gold Standard for abortion.

Which is a problem, IMHO. It should be frontal cortex function. That is our definition of death, which allows us, legally, to not be be vivisectionists when harvesting organs for transplant.

If we have a legally working definition of human death, why shouldn’t it be a legal working definition of human life?

Yeah, yeah, I know, “potential” and all that shit, but dead is dead, and live is live.

96 teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2015 8:32:30pm

The first vehicle I ever owned was a 1987 Jeep Grand Wagoneer, with wood panels and everything. Loved that boat. Had to replace the camshaft and sell it at a loss. I bought a Dodge Neon after that. I still drive a small car today (Toyota Corolla).

Still, I almost bought one of those new Toyota FJ Cruisers, and now Jeep may bring back the old Cherokee Chief Commando.

Fuckin’ cars, man. I’m such an American twit.

97 teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2015 8:37:14pm

Where I live having a set of motorized wheels is kind of a necessity. No bus drops you off at the grocery store and the nearest bus stop from my house is four miles, a long way to walk. There’s just a few bus routes a day that’ll take you “up-valley” to the ski areas.

98 BeachDem  Jul 9, 2015 8:41:02pm

I’d vote for Bakari Sellers and his father taking down the flag.

1. They’re South Carolinians

2. Cleveland Sellers, Bakari’s father, was a civil rights activist in the 1960s and was the only person to go to prison after the Orangeburg Massacre in 1968, where three college students were killed during a protest about integration.

orangeburgmassacre.com

3. Cleveland and Bakari were at the front of a 2000 Martin Luther King Jr. Day march that brought tens of thousands of people to the Statehouse to call for the Confederate flag to come down from the dome.

4. Bakari introduced a bill to take down the flag when he was first in the House—it died in committee.

99 austin_blue  Jul 9, 2015 8:42:16pm

re: #97 teleskiguy

Where I live having a set of motorized wheels is kind of a necessity. No bus drops you off at the grocery store and the nearest bus stop from my house is four miles, a long way to walk. There’s just a few bus routes a day that’ll take you “up-valley” to the ski areas.

From a public policy standpoint, the question is, “Do you have a place to legally park your car when you get to the bus stop?”

If not, your public transit system is a joke.

100 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 9, 2015 8:42:51pm

re: #92 Chan Kobun

Damnit, and I was going to post that but thought it wasn’t appropriate to post.

Seriously, it has all the Doctors, and Gandalf, and Wildstyle, and Batman, and Doc Brown and the Delorean, and Scooby Doo and Shaggy, and Homer Simpson and The Doctor jumping through the Aperture Science Testing Facility. I didn’t want to spend my money on this damn it!

All the Lego games are auto-buy for me. >.>

101 teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2015 8:44:31pm

re: #99 austin_blue

From a public policy standpoint, the question is, “Do you have a place to legally park your car when you get to the bus stop?”

If not, your public transit system is a joke.

There are places to park your car along the route, I think something like five parking lots along the whole 50-mile route.

Yeah, the bus system is a joke. A thumb in the eye to the working poor.

102 goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2015 8:47:58pm

re: #90 jaunte

Oops. A little bit of bad timing.

My water district recently sued Selleck for illegal water usage.

The vehicle that officials say was used to pilfer water from a Ventura County water district’s fire hydrant was a white water tender truck, not a red Ferrari driven by a mustachioed man in a Detroit Tigers baseball cap and a Hawaiian shirt.

But in a complaint filed by the Calleguas Municipal Water District, the utility points the finger at “Magnum, P.I.” star Tom Selleck — and they say they hired a real P.I. to prove it.

As California’s historic drought worsened, water from a public hydrant was delivered to Selleck’s sprawling Hidden Valley ranch, according to court documents filed against the veteran actor.

Before filing the complaint, the water district tried to get Selleck to stop taking water from the hydrant. In November 2013, Calleguas sent cease-and-desist letters to both Selleck’s home and an Avenue of the Stars address linked to the property, according to court papers.

As recently as March, the water truck was spotted on four days filling up at the same hydrant and delivering water to Selleck’s estate, according to the complaint.

103 teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2015 8:48:14pm

$100/month to commute by bus where I live. It was cheaper to drive my car this winter with gas dipping below $2/gal. It’s still cheaper to drive my car to work, though gas prices are slowly closing in with the public transportation costs.

104 The War TARDIS  Jul 9, 2015 8:50:45pm

re: #100 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I didn’t think I would ever buy a lego game. Then this happened.

This will be better than any Doctor Who game released yet, as every Doctor Who video game has been an unmitigated disaster.

105 jaunte  Jul 9, 2015 8:52:06pm

re: #102 goddamnedfrank

I wonder what kind of tax break he gets from claiming most of the sixty acres as an avocado farm? Preserving that break is probably why he’s stealing the water.

106 jaunte  Jul 9, 2015 8:54:18pm

” California has one of the most successful programs restricting land use to agriculture. Farmers can commit to 10-year contracts that reduce property tax rates by 20 to 75 percent if located in designated areas.”
hobbyfarms.com

107 goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2015 8:59:10pm

re: #105 jaunte

I wonder what kind of tax break he gets from claiming most of the sixty acres as an avocado farm? Preserving that break is probably why he’s stealing the water.

I don’t get why he didn’t make an effort to ensure he was buying legally sourced water after the C&D letters, because it’s impossible for him to argue now that he wasn’t notified of the problem. It also looks especially bad because his property isn’t even served by Calleguas. Maybe his wells ran dry, but he had options and should have availed themselves of them. A relatively minor civil offense under the law but it might as well be a felony in the eyes of many people who live here and have to deal with an historic drought.

Anyway it’s a nice truck, I just don’t understand why they had to douche it up.

108 The War TARDIS  Jul 9, 2015 9:00:59pm

re: #104 The War TARDIS

That’s one thing that I think that Doctor Who cannot do.

Video Games.

109 FemNaziBitch  Jul 9, 2015 9:05:32pm

Neal DeGrasse Tyson FB post --Limited Edition TShirt, I just ordered mine —women’s v-neck.

110 FemNaziBitch  Jul 9, 2015 9:07:58pm

JUST TAKING a break from Science Fiction —finishing up my Clarksworld Podcast 3 month backlog. Kate Baker is a truly good narrator and host. She has a Tardis in her house set up as a recording booth for her voice work. How kewl is that? It was a gift from her brother one year.

111 teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2015 9:09:09pm

That’s no way to report on the local Cornhole League!

112 goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2015 9:12:10pm
113 teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2015 9:24:27pm

*mundane LGF comment*

I like the new font.

114 FemNaziBitch  Jul 9, 2015 9:49:59pm

Ok, you have to watch these!

The lab with the Light Saber!!!

115 ipsos  Jul 9, 2015 9:54:57pm

re: #113 teleskiguy

*mundane LGF comment*

I like the new font.

I’m the “wait, I don’t like this!” that Charles was expecting. The old one was more visually distinctive. You knew you were on LGF when you saw it.

But I’ll get used to it, I’m sure. Forward!

116 teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2015 9:56:02pm
117 teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2015 9:57:40pm

Oh, and I found out that this is a thing. Bong-A-Thon. Competitive cannabis smoking. Since 1974!

118 Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 9, 2015 10:01:41pm

OT- In Philosophy there is a paradox called The Ship Of Theseus. Theseus’ ship was preserved by the Athenians for centuries, by replacing planks as they rotted away with new planks. Eventually every single piece of the boat had been replaced, so that even though it had been in continous existence, not one particle of the original material remained. Was it the same ship?

I find myself in a similar paradox with (my Grandfather)Pap’s watch. Major parts of it are completely worn out. It might not be possible, no matter how much of the movement I replace, to get it working properly. OTOH, I have just acquired another movement of the same make and model, made no more than a year later (ca 1904). It’s running beautifully, and has none of the problems of the original movement in Pap’s watch.

If I replace the original movement with this one, is it still Pap’s Watch? If not, how much of the original movement can I replace with parts from the running one, and still have it be Pap’s Watch?

119 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 9, 2015 10:07:12pm

re: #118 Blind Frog Belly White

If I replace the original movement with this one, is it still Pap’s Watch?

I’d say that it is the original as long as one original part remains. Watches should run and tell time as accurately as they can.

120 freetoken  Jul 9, 2015 10:08:06pm

re: #118 Blind Frog Belly White

We (living creatures) are the same: every part of us is slowly being replaced.

Whether through cell division, or the much longer replacement of molecules, we are not the same collection of matter that we were 10 years previous.

121 freetoken  Jul 9, 2015 10:13:59pm

Peter Enns hosts a review of an interesting new book:

let’s talk about sexual purity and evangelical anxiety, shall we?

Today’s post is a book review of Virgin Nation: Sexual Purity and American Adolescence, by Sarah Moslener.

The review itself isn’t by me but by someone who actually knows what she’s talking about: Dr. Margaret Kim Peterson, Associate Professor of Theology at Eastern University in Saint Davids, PA.
Peterson’s Ph.D. is in theology and ethics from Duke University, and she also earned an M.A. in Marriage and Family Therapy from La Salle University. […]

********
Remember a few weeks ago, when a story was bouncing around the news about a Republican presidential hopeful Jeb Bush’s past statements about what he saw as a socially damaging decline in public shaming of single parents?

Did anyone stop to wonder what, exactly, might lead a politician trying to appeal to evangelical voters to equate insufficient shame around single parenthood with American cultural decay, and to recommend increased shaming of misbehaving young people as a means of national revival?

If you’re wondering now, there is a book for you: Virgin Nation: Sexual Purity and American Adolescence (Oxford University Press, 2015), by Sara Moslener.

Moslener, who earned a Ph.D. in religious studies at Claremont Graduate University and who now teaches at Central Michigan University, elucidates what she sees as longstanding connections between two strands of evangelical anxiety: worries having to do with the sexual purity of adolescents, and worries about American national well-being.

Anyone who has been around evangelicalism for any time at all is well aware of the emphasis placed within this subculture on “purity,” by which is meant virginity until marriage for both males and females.

Teenagers and young adults are taught to regard purity as an integral—perhaps even as the central—element in their religious identity, and to regard premarital sex with horror and aversion.
[…]

You might think that parents would be the ones charged with inculcating values—including values around sex and sexuality—in their offspring, but in the present day climate of youth culture and mass media the job of getting adolescents onto the purity bandwagon is increasingly outsourced to faith-based purity organizations.

Two of the most prominent of these are True Love Waits (see also here)-which encourages youth to make publicly spoken commitments to remain sexually abstinent until marriage; and Silver Ring Thing-which is a traveling multimedia show incorporating elements of fantasy and parody to make its case for sexual abstinence, the impossibility of this apart from a personal relationship with Jesus, and the desirability of a symbolically-freighted piece of jewelry—the “silver ring”—that is available for purchase only by attendees of Silver Ring Thing events.

If you think this is all weirdly fascinating enough to be of interest to scholars of American religion and culture, you would be right.

Most scholars trace the rise of the evangelical purity movement to the cultural shifts of the 1960s, with the purity movement originating in response to the loosened sexual mores of that time.
[…]

The contribution of Moslener to this conversation is her sense that the historical narrative needs to start further back, if sense is to be made of certain elements of purity culture rhetoric.

In particular is the explicit use of apocalyptic imagery in connection with sexual morality. Moslener cites a ditty that is performed at Silver Ring Thing events:

The world says use a condom
If we told you you’d be fine / we’d be lying to your face
It’s like playing with a nuclear bomb
You could wipe out the whole human race

The connection between condoms and nuclear holocaust is, as Moslener notes, neither explained or defended by the producers of Silver Ring Thing; it is simply assumed. Why? Exploration of this question forms the substance of Moslener’s book.

Moslener’s sense is that evangelical purity culture (as opposed to traditional Christian emphasis on the reservation of sexual expression to the maritalMKP relationship) got its start in the late 19th century, as white evangelicals began to lose their hitherto unquestioned grip on mainstream American culture.

Waves of immigration of non-white, non-Anglo Saxon, non-Protestants threatened to overturn the prior status quo, and white evangelicals responded with a range of social reform movements that privileged bourgeois (read: white, middle-class, Protestant) respectability. Temperance was one such movement; purity was another.

[…]

Hence the focus, Moslener thinks, of the purity movement on specifically adolescent sexuality. It is in the bodies and (sexual) behavior of teenagers that the battle for Anglo-Saxon and specifically American supremacy is being fought.

Moslener traces the development of purity culture from its 19th-century origins through the fundamentalist-modernist controversy of the 1920s, the anticommunism of the Cold War era, and the rise of the family-values movement in the 1970s and 1980s, in which evangelicals drew explicit connections between moral decay and national decline, on the one hand, and strong families and a strong (American) nation on the other.

[…]

122 BeenHereAwhile  Jul 9, 2015 10:43:13pm

re: #66 RealityBasedSteve

Oh, saw something that made me do a double take at Starbucks this evening. As I was walking across the lot, I saw a Prius parked there. Now normally a Prius in a Starbucks lot sounds like the setup for some lame wingnut humor.

It was what was on the Prius that caught my eye. Molon Labe, III Patriots (3% Patriot movement), Tea Party Patriots and another one that I don’t recall.

So we have a latte sipping, Prius driving RWNJ.

Mind…. Blown!

RBS

Could have been a Thesbian Hoplite.

123 William Lewis  Jul 9, 2015 10:49:16pm

re: #118 Blind Frog Belly White

Swap movements. Place original movement in a shadow box with a photo of “Pap”. Wind and set watch with working movement. Put in pocket and use it.

124 teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2015 10:59:11pm
125 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 9, 2015 11:02:15pm

It was w00tstock tonight. In honor of that, I give you one really fucking awesome moment from the last one I got to go to, two years ago.

I was scurrying to my seat at the very beginning because of course I managed to get on the bus going the wrong way and was almost late. Which would have sucked. But I didn’t miss this!

(May not be 100% safe for work, depending on how loud your volume is.)

126 freetoken  Jul 9, 2015 11:14:37pm

Don’t laugh. Please don’t laugh:

Bobby Jindal is the smartest candidate in presidential race: US daily

Washington: Indian-origin Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal might be trailing behind in recent polls, but is the smartest candidate in the race for 2016 presidential elections, a top US daily has said.

In a report, the popular Christian Science Monitor attributed this to Jindal’s Christian faith despite being born and raised as a Hindu. “Jindal may not be near the top of the polls for the Republican presidential nomination race or even drawing the biggest crowds, but he may be the smartest candidate in the race,” the daily reported as it listed out six facts about his Christian faith.

[…]

127 freetoken  Jul 9, 2015 11:22:53pm

Phrenology, v2.0:

A new wrinkle: Geometry of brain’s outer surface correlates with genetic heritage

Researchers at the University of California, San Diego and the School of Medicine have found that the three-dimensional shape of the cerebral cortex - the wrinkled outer layer of the brain controlling many functions of thinking and sensation - strongly correlates with ancestral background. The study, published online July 9 in Current Biology, opens the door to more precise studies of brain anatomy going forward and could eventually lead to more personalized medicine approaches for diagnosing and treating brain diseases.

[…]

In their study, the researchers found they could predict with “a relatively high degree of accuracy an individual’s genetic ancestry based on the geometry of their cerebral cortex.”

They found no relationship between brain shape and functional or cognitive abilities, Dale said, but rather a trove of information about how minute differences in brain geometry could be correlated with genetic lineage.

“The geometry of the brain’s cortical surface contains rich information about ancestry,” said the study’s first author, Chun Chieh Fan, MD, a graduate student in cognitive science. “Even in the modern contemporary U.S. population, with its melting pot of different cultures, it was still possible to correlate brain cortex structure to ancestral background.”

Four continental populations were used as ancestral references: European, West African, East Asian and Native American. The metrics for summarizing genetic ancestry in each ancestral component were standardized as proportions ranging from 0 to 100 percent.

“We looked to see how well we could predict how much genetic ancestry they had from Africa, Europe and so forth,” said study co-author Terry Jernigan, PhD, professor of cognitive science, psychiatry and radiology, adding that cortex differences between various lineages were focused in certain areas. “There were various systematic differences, particularly in the folding and gyrification patterns of the cortex,” said Jernigan, also director of the university’s Center for Human Development. “Those patterns were quite strongly reflective of genetic ancestry.”

[…]

Dale said the differences in cortex shapes between the various ancestries are “subtle, but systematic.” He said understanding these differences will be important in refining future brain research and also in creating appropriate standards of comparison for the various ancestral groups, and for those which are a mixture of different groups.

Jernigan agreed: “In order to understand what might be abnormal for a particular individual, it is very important to control for the differences in brain structure that are simply reflective of genetic ancestry. We need to develop better genetically informed analysis for detecting abnormalities in the brain and for measuring differences in the brain that might account for disease symptoms. This study is a step in the right direction and has implications for how people conduct brain research going forward.”

128 freetoken  Jul 9, 2015 11:30:08pm
129 Kragar  Jul 9, 2015 11:31:31pm

re: #126 freetoken

How do anecdotes about his faith prove his intelligence?

130 freetoken  Jul 9, 2015 11:32:22pm

re: #129 Kragar

How do anecdotes about his faith prove his intelligence?

Because Jesus.

131 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 10, 2015 12:03:41am

re: #43 Skip Intro

The problem is they also use tunnels. Of course that’s nothing a couple of hundred thousand mines couldn’t fix. They’d go well with the machine gun towers some in the GOP like to fantasize about.

and alligators. don’t forget alligators…

132 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 10, 2015 12:09:25am

re: #120 freetoken

We (living creatures) are the same: every part of us is slowly being replaced.

Whether through cell division, or the much longer replacement of molecules, we are not the same collection of matter that we were 10 years previous.

And, on a larger time scale, whole species is being replaced. Humans will not be the same creatures we are now in a few hundred thousand years…

133 goddamnedfrank  Jul 10, 2015 12:10:07am

Datacolor’s crap software, calibration inconsistencies and piss poor documentation has me SO VERY ANGRY right now.

134 teleskiguy  Jul 10, 2015 12:37:35am

re: #130 freetoken

Because Jesus Je$u$.

FTFY

135 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 10, 2015 2:05:09am

re: #129 Kragar

How do anecdotes about his faith prove his intelligence?

‘Coz only the smartest Hindoos turn their backs on that there elephant-head god with eight arms to worship Jesus.

136 goddamnedfrank  Jul 10, 2015 2:07:41am

re: #135 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

137 freetoken  Jul 10, 2015 2:17:29am
138 Bird in the Paw  Jul 10, 2015 2:36:54am

re: #92 Chan Kobun

Seriously, it has all the Doctors, and Gandalf …….

Gandalf loses his mythos
139 Mentis Fugit  Jul 10, 2015 3:03:45am

re: #131 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

and alligators. don’t forget alligators…

Graboids. Tunnel problem solved.

140 Dr Lizardo  Jul 10, 2015 3:05:28am

Morning, Lizards. So, here in Europe, the Greek issue continues for the time being at least, though it seems as though things may be headed in the direction of a positive resolution.

Meanwhile, in Bavaria, a mass shooting:

bbc.com

This is a breaking story and it just crossed over the wires.

ETA: More here from DPA:

Leutershausen (dpa) - In Mittelfranken ist es zu einem Amoklauf mit mindestens zwei Toten gekommen. Die Polizei in Bayern sprach von einem Tötungsdelikt in Tiefenthal, einem Ortsteil der Gemeinde Leutershausen im Landkreis Ansbach. Ein bewaffneter Verdächtiger sei mit einem silbernen Mercedes-Cabrio mit Ansbacher Kennzeichen auf der Flucht, teilte das Nürnberger Polizeipräsidium mit. Die Polizei rief die Bevölkerung auf, bei Hinweisen auf den Wagen sofort den Notruf zu wählen. Keinesfalls solle man mit dem Fahrer Kontakt aufnehmen.

Leutershausen (dpa) - In Middle Franconia, there has been a killing spree with at least two deaths. Police in Bavaria spoke of a homicide in Tiefenthal, in the municipality in the district of Ansbach Leutershausen. An armed suspect was holding a silver Mercedes convertible with Ansbacher indicator on the flight, told the Nuremberg police headquarters. The police called on the population to vote in references to the car immediately to the emergency. Under no circumstances should you contact the driver.

faz.net

141 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 10, 2015 3:16:41am

re: #140 Dr Lizardo

Morning, Lizards. So, here in Europe, the Greek issue continues for the time being at least, though it seems as though things may be headed in the direction of a positive resolution.

Meanwhile, in Bavaria, a mass shooting:

bbc.com

This is a breaking story and it just crossed over the wires.

ETA: More here from DPA:

faz.net

Germany will respond, as it most always does, by tightening its already strict gun-control laws, and yet nobody will complain about anyone “politicizing a tragedy”.

142 Dr Lizardo  Jul 10, 2015 3:26:13am

re: #141 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Germany will respond, as it most always does, by tightening its already tight gun-control laws, and nobody will complain about anyone “politicizing a tragedy”.

Yep.

143 Dr Lizardo  Jul 10, 2015 3:36:43am

Regarding the shooting in Bavaria, the gunman has been arrested.

ibtimes.co.uk (note: autoplay vid embedded at link)

144 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 10, 2015 3:50:29am

BBC also has a BREAKING NEWS report on it (without autoplay)

145 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 10, 2015 4:25:04am

re: #66 RealityBasedSteve

Oh, saw something that made me do a double take at Starbucks this evening. As I was walking across the lot, I saw a Prius parked there. Now normally a Prius in a Starbucks lot sounds like the setup for some lame wingnut humor.

It was what was on the Prius that caught my eye. Molon Labe, III Patriots (3% Patriot movement), Tea Party Patriots and another one that I don’t recall.

So we have a latte sipping, Prius driving RWNJ.

Mind…. Blown!

RBS

Heh. I saw that Prius in front of me at a red light.

146 Dave In Austin  Jul 10, 2015 4:46:21am

re: #145 The Vicious Babushka

A few years ago, I was doing some work for the VA. There was a Prius in the parking lot daily with TP crap all over the windows. The Irony….

147 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 10, 2015 4:56:49am

re: #146 Dave In Austin

A few years ago, I was doing some work for the VA. There was a Prius in the parking lot daily with TP crap all over the windows. The Irony….

They must have missed the memo from Wingnuttia Central, which says all Prius owners are commie treehugging members of the Gaystapo.

148 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 10, 2015 5:00:57am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Every alleged “fact” presented in this meme is complete & utter bullshit

149 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 10, 2015 5:01:25am

Math is hard.

150 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 10, 2015 5:36:45am

Well, I bit the bullet today and upgraded my seats between China and the US to Economy Plus on United Airlines. Cost me $418 extra, but after flying sardine style the previous several times I figure it will be worth it. I’ll be in the States from Aug. 3 to Sept. 1.

I should add that the university paid for the economy seats. So, in a way, I’m flying between Shanghai and Chicago for $418.

151 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 5:55:00am

WTF?
YouTube

152 darthstar  Jul 10, 2015 5:55:45am

Man is super witty and cool, gets Bill Murray to sign his forehead. I hope all of his friends said, “Yeah, it reads Bill Murray - cool!”

153 lawhawk  Jul 10, 2015 5:56:10am

Hmmm, this has all the makings of a front page worthy scandal here in the US, except few in the US media are even paying attention.

What happens when a former VP of the US gets into hot water over meetings in Ireland that aren’t supposed to have happened, and money was to be exchanged that was intercepted? Apparently Irish investigators are taking a closer look at VP Dan Quayle and Cerberus Partners (where he’s chair of global investments).

Mr Wallace claimed that £7 million (𠫉.8 million) that was lodged by former managing partner at Tughans, Ian Coulter, was reportedly intended for a Northern Ireland politician or party. Mr Coulter subsequently left the law firm and the money was retrieved.

Assistant chief constable Will Kerr of PSNI Crime Operations said: “We believe that there is sufficient concern in relation to potential criminal activity, surrounding this property deal, to instigate an investigation.
It is understood that the UK National Crime Agency, which deals with serious organised crime across international borders, is one of the agencies that will assist the PSNI. This is because the investigation relates to Nama in the Republic, to US firm Cerberus, which bought the 850-property portfolio, and to another American company, Pimco, which in disputed circumstances withdrew from the sale.

Meanwhile, confusion surrounds the status of a meeting between Cerberus, First Minister Peter Robinson and others at Stormont just 10 days before the US company bought the 850-property Nama portfolio for less than £1.5 million.

Mr Coulter also attended this meeting.

Cerberus has characterised the meeting on March 25th last year between former US vice-president Dan Quayle, who is chairman of Cerberus’ global investments, and Mr Robinson, then finance minister Simon Hamilton, and Mr Coulter as an “official” meeting.

However, Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness has said that it could not have been an official engagement. He said all official meetings involving the First Minister and/or the Deputy First Minister must be agreed by both him and Mr Robinson and that he was not aware of the meeting on that date.

I guess because it’s Dan Quayle that few are even interested in this? Or because he’s a 1 term VP from 20+ years ago that somehow makes it ancient history?

Media suck.

154 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 5:57:03am

(Radical Imam) Mike Huckabee: Stop Talking About Racism, ‘It’s Solved’ By Converting To Christianity (VIDEO)

155 lawhawk  Jul 10, 2015 5:57:59am

re: #150 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Extra legroom is almost always worth it. That’s why the JetBlue moves recently are going to suck even more. I get the charging for checked bags (if everyone else is doing it, then they’re leaving money on the table to pad their bottom line), but they’re also squeezing more seats in, which reduces the pitch by a couple of inches. My knees do not appreciate that.

156 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 10, 2015 5:58:44am

Looking forward to how UpChuck covers the lowering of the flag today on Twi….oh wait

157 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 10, 2015 6:00:25am
158 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 10, 2015 6:01:13am

re: #156 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Looking forward to how UpChuck covers the lowering of the flag today on Twi….oh wait

Ben Shapiro will be on Teh Twitters, Live Derping.

159 lawhawk  Jul 10, 2015 6:01:24am
160 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 10, 2015 6:02:09am

MOAR TRUMP DUMP==>

161 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 10, 2015 6:04:51am

Join Ben for Live Derping, on Twitter now!

162 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 10, 2015 6:05:31am

re: #160 The Vicious Babushka

MOAR TRUMP DUMP==>

This plan of ours is working to perfection.
1. Get Trump to run
2. Let Trump say something dumb
3. Media criticizes Trump
4. RWNJ criticize media for criticizing Trump
5. Trump poll numbers go up
6. Trump qualifies for GOP debates

Can’t believe I ever doubted the wisdom of this strategery.

//

163 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 6:05:35am

The helical model - our solar system is a vortex

for those of us who are mathmatically challenged —a very cool music video

164 darthstar  Jul 10, 2015 6:05:42am
165 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 10, 2015 6:05:46am

re: #155 lawhawk

Extra legroom is almost always worth it. That’s why the JetBlue moves recently are going to suck even more. I get the charging for checked bags (if everyone else is doing it, then they’re leaving money on the table to pad their bottom line), but they’re also squeezing more seats in, which reduces the pitch by a couple of inches. My knees do not appreciate that.

Well, I know I haven’t gotten any taller, so that seat in front of me must have gotten closer. I figured $200 extra each way was well worth the added comfort, plus I don’t have to climb over people’s laps to get to the aisle and the toilets.

Someday I hope to have enough dough to really splurge and go business class.

166 lawhawk  Jul 10, 2015 6:06:29am
167 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 10, 2015 6:06:46am

re: #165 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Well, I know I haven’t gotten any taller, so that seat in front of me must have gotten closer. I figured $200 extra each way was well worth the added comfort, plus I don’t have to climb over people’s laps to get to the aisle and the toilets.

Someday I hope to have enough dough to really splurge and go business class.

Once you do that…

168 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 10, 2015 6:07:04am

re: #161 The Vicious Babushka

Join Ben for Live Derping, on Twitter now!

Ben thinks SC finally taking down the flag means all Dems should become GOP.

169 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 10, 2015 6:07:53am

Rand Paul is coming here to talk about how he plans to make the entire US just like all the ruined parts of Detroit

170 allegro  Jul 10, 2015 6:10:43am

re: #169 The Vicious Babushka

Rand Paul is coming here to talk about how he plans to make the entire US just like all the ruined parts of Detroit

[Embedded content]

They kinda don’t think their symbolism through do they.

171 lawhawk  Jul 10, 2015 6:11:10am

re: #169 The Vicious Babushka

172 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 10, 2015 6:14:31am

re: #169 The Vicious Babushka

Join me in Michigan! I’ll be talking about destroying the tax code: randpaul.com and watch for my new ads

There is a word for people who destroy things without putting something else in their place. “Vandal” or “Barbarian” comes to mind…

173 Belafon  Jul 10, 2015 6:16:43am

#163 FemNaziBitch

I don’t know if it was discussed here or which site I read it on, but while that video looks cool, it doesn’t really match reality: universetoday.com.

174 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 10, 2015 6:16:57am

re: #169 The Vicious Babushka

Join me in Michigan! I’ll be talking about destroying the tax code

And the millions of taxpayers who file using the EZ form all said, “Huh”?

175 lawhawk  Jul 10, 2015 6:17:01am

re: #171 lawhawk

If you want to increase productivity, then the tax rates should reflect that. Instead, capital gains are far lower, meaning that people who have fortunes get to retain ever larger amounts, while those working see more of it go to taxes (all taxes, not just income taxes).

176 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 10, 2015 6:18:59am

re: #167 The Vicious Babushka

Once you do that…

… there’s no going back. I know. But I can’t afford biz class now, so it’s just a pipe dream.

One time, many years ago, one of my flights somewhere was overbooked. All the coach seats were filled.

“Sir, would you mind taking one of our first class seats at no extra charge?” the gate attendant asked me.
“No, I wouldn’t mind at all,” I replied, trying to be nonchalant.

It was the most comfortable three-hour flight in my lifetime — so far.

177 Belafon  Jul 10, 2015 6:19:43am

#173 Belafon

I should say “entirely” rather than “really” but I can’t edit here at work. There’s some truth to it, but the video exaggerates some things and leaves some other things out.

178 lawhawk  Jul 10, 2015 6:24:36am

A: Whatever happens at the talks, the GOP will complain bitterly.

179 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 10, 2015 6:25:00am

I just checked. To fly business class on United between Shanghai and Chicago is about $8,100 roundtrip. That’s roughly 8 months of salary for me in China.

So, yeah, I’d better start moonlighting again if I want to fly business class.

180 lawhawk  Jul 10, 2015 6:28:23am

Damn. Just damn.

He was one of the greats. Lawrence of Arabia. Dr. Zhivago. Too many movies to name.

RIP

181 Dr Lizardo  Jul 10, 2015 6:31:10am

re: #180 lawhawk

Damn. Just damn.

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He was one of the greats. Lawrence of Arabia. Dr. Zhivago. Too many movies to name.

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RIP

RIP, Mr. Sharif.

182 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 10, 2015 6:32:17am

re: #181 Dr Lizardo

RIP, Mr. Sharif.

OMG - Did Bob Marley shoot him?

183 wrenchwench  Jul 10, 2015 6:35:47am
184 allegro  Jul 10, 2015 6:36:23am

In the “it takes so little to amuse some people ” department… a few days ago I made a rather impulsive purchase at the pet store when I went for dog food and cockatoo kibbles. I got a very cool little 1.5 gallon aquarium. I’m now the proud mom of a gorgeous elephant ear Betta named Mo. Can’t stop watching him. Got stuff to do, errands to run, books to read, movies to watch… but all I want to do is drink coffee and watch my fish.

There’s a commentary there that’s probably a bit pathetic. I’m bonding with a fish.

185 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 10, 2015 6:37:08am

re: #184 allegro

In the “it takes so little to amuse some people ” department… a few days ago I made a rather impulsive purchase at the pet store when I went for dog food and cockatoo kibbles. I got a very cool little 1.5 gallon aquarium. I’m now the proud mom of a gorgeous elephant ear Betta named Mo. Can’t stop watching him. Got stuff to do, errands to run, books to read, movies to watch… but all I want to do is drink coffee and watch my fish.

There’s a commentary there that’s probably a bit pathetic. I’m bonding with a fish.

Hooray! Long live Mo!

186 wrenchwench  Jul 10, 2015 6:42:38am

BEE

187 sagehen  Jul 10, 2015 6:43:13am

re: #176 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

… there’s no going back. I know. But I can’t afford biz class now, so it’s just a pipe dream.

One time, many years ago, one of my flights somewhere was overbooked. All the coach seats were filled.

“Sir, would you mind taking one of our first class seats at no extra charge?” the gate attendant asked me.
“No, I wouldn’t mind at all,” I replied, trying to be nonchalant.

It was the most comfortable three-hour flight in my lifetime — so far.

The best flight ever in my life was when I moved to NYC from LA. I had about 9 pieces of luggage, I was anticipating a hellacious time at baggage claim and the expense of a porter to help me get it all to a cab…

But the flight was overbooked. Would I be willing to change my ticket from coach-to-JFK and instead fly first class to Newark, and BTW they’d of course deliver all my checked bags to me at no extra charge….

Awesome. Shrimp cocktail and steak for my meal, could take the bus into town, and everything showed up at my door the next morning.

188 Dr Lizardo  Jul 10, 2015 6:45:04am

Bombus Bimaculatus?

Dibs on the band name. Or a new GWAR member.

189 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 6:45:57am

re: #184 allegro

In the “it takes so little to amuse some people ” department… a few days ago I made a rather impulsive purchase at the pet store when I went for dog food and cockatoo kibbles. I got a very cool little 1.5 gallon aquarium. I’m now the proud mom of a gorgeous elephant ear Betta named Mo. Can’t stop watching him. Got stuff to do, errands to run, books to read, movies to watch… but all I want to do is drink coffee and watch my fish.

There’s a commentary there that’s probably a bit pathetic. I’m bonding with a fish.

Dude, are you high?

190 Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jul 10, 2015 6:46:20am

re: #188 Dr Lizardo

Bombus Bimaculatus?

Dibs on the band name. Or a new GWAR member.

GWAR. YESSSS!!!!

191 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 10, 2015 6:46:46am

re: #187 sagehen

The best flight ever in my life was when I moved to NYC from LA. I had about 9 pieces of luggage, I was anticipating a hellacious time at baggage claim and the expense of a porter to help me get it all to a cab…

But the flight was overbooked. Would I be willing to change my ticket from coach-to-JFK and instead fly first class to Newark, and BTW they’d of course deliver all my checked bags to me at no extra charge….

Awesome. Shrimp cocktail and steak for my meal, could take the bus into town, and everything showed up at my door the next morning.

OK, that tops my story big time.

Sweet deal, though.

One of my former students will leave to teach Chinese in Framingham, MA, next month. She’s fretting about how she’s going to take all the stuff she needs in one or two bags. International flights allow 2 checked bags, 50 lbs each, but she’s going to LA first for training, then flying domestic to Logan Airport — only 1 bag allowed and the extra bag costs money. Her flights aren’t booked yet, so we don’t know how much the extra bag would cost.

192 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 6:47:49am

Omar Sharif —YUM!

He’s up in the top 5 of the “sexiest men ever to walk the planet” list.

He will retain that status in the grave.

193 Snarknado!  Jul 10, 2015 6:47:55am

re: #184 allegro

In the “it takes so little to amuse some people ” department… a few days ago I made a rather impulsive purchase at the pet store when I went for dog food and cockatoo kibbles. I got a very cool little 1.5 gallon aquarium. I’m now the proud mom of a gorgeous elephant ear Betta named Mo. Can’t stop watching him. Got stuff to do, errands to run, books to read, movies to watch… but all I want to do is drink coffee and watch my fish.

There’s a commentary there that’s probably a bit pathetic. I’m bonding with a fish.

I had a deep red betta in a goldfish bowl with one green (plastic) plant once, and experienced the same thing. A Betta swimming is hypnotic.

194 allegro  Jul 10, 2015 6:50:39am

re: #189 FemNaziBitch

Dude, are you high?

Not yet. Maybe later. :D

195 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 10, 2015 6:50:50am

re: #183 wrenchwench

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Cappucino?

196 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 6:50:53am

re: #173 Belafon

#163 FemNaziBitch

I don’t know if it was discussed here or which site I read it on, but while that video looks cool, it doesn’t really match reality: universetoday.com.

So, the video is wrong, but not really?

197 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 6:51:59am

re: #164 darthstar

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I’m a little pissed they had one at all.

198 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 10, 2015 6:52:01am

re: #196 FemNaziBitch

So, the video is wrong, but not really?

A bit over-romanticized.

199 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 6:54:35am

re: #198 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

A bit over-romanticized.

the music is cool.

I like how it shows that the universe is not static. The 3D models our generation all did in school with foam balls and such stick in the mind.

200 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 10, 2015 6:55:28am

re: #197 FemNaziBitch

I’m a little pissed they had [a Confederate flag] at all.

In the given context, I do not find it inappropriate, it was a display of historical US flags.

It is not about banning a particular symbol, it is about removing it from settings where it is inappropriate, such as above any government building, where the ideology behind the flag would gain a cachet of approval.

Disney just wants to avoid any possible controversy and protests that might detract from their brand. They are a business, and it was a business-related decision.

201 Timothy Watson  Jul 10, 2015 6:57:30am

HILLARY IS THE BIGGEST COMMIE EVER!!1! BUT SHE’S TOO CONSERVATIVE TO WIN THE DEMORAT NOMINATION!1!!

outsidethebeltway.com

Fuck, these people are fucking stupid.

Of course, the guy who wrote the original piece was the chief strategist for Romney.

202 blueraven  Jul 10, 2015 6:57:39am

re: #184 allegro

In the “it takes so little to amuse some people ” department… a few days ago I made a rather impulsive purchase at the pet store when I went for dog food and cockatoo kibbles. I got a very cool little 1.5 gallon aquarium. I’m now the proud mom of a gorgeous elephant ear Betta named Mo. Can’t stop watching him. Got stuff to do, errands to run, books to read, movies to watch… but all I want to do is drink coffee and watch my fish.

There’s a commentary there that’s probably a bit pathetic. I’m bonding with a fish.

Watching fish in water is strangely calming. I have had aquariums and they are fascinating and hypnotic.

Now I have a fish pond just off my back patio. It is the first place I go every morning while drinking my coffee. I haven’t bought new fish since I moved here 23 years ago. It is devastating when I lose one. I have it fairly heavily planted, but otherwise it is very low maintenance. I do not feed the fish, nor use any chemicals. It is a self sustaining ecosystem, attracting bugs, bees, frogs, snails, and other critters. Highly recommended for entertainment value alone!

203 FormerDirtDart  Jul 10, 2015 6:58:11am
204 Timothy Watson  Jul 10, 2015 7:00:45am

re: #201 Timothy Watson

HILLARY IS THE BIGGEST COMMIE EVER!!1! BUT SHE’S TOO CONSERVATIVE TO WIN THE DEMORAT NOMINATION!1!!

Fuck, these people are fucking stupid.

Of course, the guy who wrote the original piece was the chief strategist for Romney.

Blah, might help if I included the link like I meant to:
outsidethebeltway.com

205 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 10, 2015 7:00:55am

re: #203 FormerDirtDart

Obamacare [is] an illegitimate law

“any law I disagree with is ILLEGAL”

206 wrenchwench  Jul 10, 2015 7:03:07am

re: #195 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Cappucino?

Usually the foam on that is steamed milk.

207 Eventual Carrion  Jul 10, 2015 7:03:41am

re: #182 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

OMG - Did Bob Marley shoot him?

But he did not shoot Gérard Depardieu

208 allegro  Jul 10, 2015 7:05:25am

re: #202 blueraven

Watching fish in water is strangely calming. I have had aquariums and they are fascinating and hypnotic.

Now I have a fish pond just off my back patio. It is the first place I go every morning while drinking my coffee. I haven’t bought new fish since I moved here 23 years ago. It is devastating when I lose one. I have it fairly heavily planted, but otherwise it is very low maintenance. I do not feed the fish, nor use any chemicals. It is a self sustaining ecosystem, attracting bugs, bees, frogs, snails, and other critters. Highly recommended for entertainment value alone!

That’s the one thing on my wish list I never made happen when I lived in an actual house. Had a beautiful spot picked out by my aviaries, plans, and lists but a koi pond never materialized. I be jealous.

209 blueraven  Jul 10, 2015 7:09:40am

re: #208 allegro

That’s the one thing on my wish list I never made happen when I lived in an actual house. Had a beautiful spot picked out by my aviaries, plans, and lists but a koi pond never materialized. I be jealous.

I probably would have never thought to have one, being perfectly content with my aquarium. But it was already here when we bought the house. It had no plants and gets direct sun most of the day, so to keep the fish shaded and protected from birds, I started adding plants. They sure do add a lot.

210 wrenchwench  Jul 10, 2015 7:10:11am
211 blueraven  Jul 10, 2015 7:10:12am

And the flag comes down!

212 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 10, 2015 7:10:22am
213 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 10, 2015 7:11:31am

Ben is butthurt==>

214 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 10, 2015 7:12:10am

re: #202 blueraven

Koi ponds are common in China. I think feng shui advises a fish pond for the very reasons you cite here.

215 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 10, 2015 7:12:28am

216 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 10, 2015 7:13:13am
217 blueraven  Jul 10, 2015 7:13:53am

The crowd sings…Na na na na, hey hey hey Goodbye!

218 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 10, 2015 7:14:27am
219 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 7:14:55am

re: #195 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Cappucino?

Yes, please —IV interface

220 Timothy Watson  Jul 10, 2015 7:15:10am

re: #213 The Vicious Babushka

Ben is butthurt==>

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Real Jews fought for the Civil Rights Movement, fake Jews commemorate the murderers of civil rights workers and the fellow travelers and supporters of those murderers.

Yeah, I went there.

221 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 10, 2015 7:15:18am

re: #203 FormerDirtDart

Every law is illegitimate unvalidated until the SCOTUS rules in favor of it at least 5 times. And if none of the SCOTUS decisions are unanimously, every time, the law is not legitimated.

/

222 Jenner7  Jul 10, 2015 7:15:56am

God Bless America.

223 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 10, 2015 7:16:31am

re: #217 blueraven

The crowd sings…Na na na na, hey hey hey Goodbye!

Thare spiking the football!!!11

224 Jenner7  Jul 10, 2015 7:16:34am
225 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 7:16:34am

re: #201 Timothy Watson

HILLARY IS THE BIGGEST COMMIE EVER!!1! BUT SHE’S TOO CONSERVATIVE TO WIN THE DEMORAT NOMINATION!1!!

outsidethebeltway.com

Fuck, these people are fucking stupid.

Of course, the guy who wrote the original piece was the chief strategist for Romney.

the latest BS I’ve heard is that the Clinton Foundation has too many connections with the ME and they, by extension, the Clintons are oppressors of women and murderers.

there is no limit on stupid

226 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 10, 2015 7:17:05am

re: #213 The Vicious Babushka

Ben is butthurt==>

Not sure there’s a hemorrhoid brand on the market that will treat this.

/

227 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 10, 2015 7:18:15am

The Live-Derping continues==>

228 Dr Lizardo  Jul 10, 2015 7:18:26am

re: #213 The Vicious Babushka

Ben is butthurt==>

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229 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 10, 2015 7:19:19am
230 sagehen  Jul 10, 2015 7:19:23am

I’m a little disappointed the crowd didn’t break into this song…

231 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 10, 2015 7:20:25am
232 Jenner7  Jul 10, 2015 7:20:39am

re: #230 sagehen

They tried to sing God Bless America at the end, but then the cheering started.

233 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 7:21:53am

Frank Says:

“Conducting” is when you draw “designs” in the nowhere — with your stick, or with your hands — which are interpreted as “instructional messages” by guys wearing bow ties who wish they were fishing.

:)

234 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 10, 2015 7:23:01am

re: #231 The Vicious Babushka

So…Ben thinks it’s bad the flag is coming came down?

Just trying to understand here..

/

235 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 7:23:34am

The Lollypop Hypothesis

236 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 10, 2015 7:24:43am

re: #234 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

So…Ben thinks it’s bad the flag is coming came down?

Just trying to understand here..

/

Ben is telling everybody “what Liberals think” because he is has teh awesome Mind Reading Powers.

237 Eventual Carrion  Jul 10, 2015 7:24:51am

re: #213 The Vicious Babushka

Ben is butthurt==>

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Maybe congress should have another vote to end ACA if this symbolic effort annoys you so much.

238 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 10, 2015 7:25:08am
239 No Country For Old Haters  Jul 10, 2015 7:26:28am

re: #238 The Vicious Babushka

240 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 7:29:38am

Scrabble Word of the Day:

Axolotl

241 sagehen  Jul 10, 2015 7:31:42am

re: #240 FemNaziBitch

Scrabble Word of the Day:

Axolotl

I thought I knew that word, but when I clicked the link it wasn’t what I expected.

(an Aztec spear-throwing gadget… now I’m wondering what it’s actually called.)

242 Kryptik  Jul 10, 2015 7:33:14am

re: #241 sagehen

You’re thinking the Atlatl.

243 bratwurst  Jul 10, 2015 7:33:20am

This man is an idiot. And a fucking asshole.

244 Jenner7  Jul 10, 2015 7:34:02am

Now take them all down!

245 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 10, 2015 7:34:38am

re: #207 Eventual Carrion

But he did not shoot Gérard Depardieu

I Chateuneuf-de-Pape but I did not shoot Gérard Depardieu…

246 FormerDirtDart  Jul 10, 2015 7:34:48am
247 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 10, 2015 7:35:06am

re: #243 bratwurst

While this symbol of oppression flies, Christians are not free

What does Nolte know about Christians and Christianity?

/

248 No Country For Old Haters  Jul 10, 2015 7:35:20am

re: #243 bratwurst

This man is an idiot. And a fucking asshole.

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249 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 7:36:37am

For the first time ever we are not doing the work needed on the house. Since we are old, we accepted that we must pay others to do this. As the house is 20 years old …first floor flooring, painting and other small things are being done.

The whole first floor is in dissarray. I’m have no place to be, but the bedroom upstairs.

I feel like I’m in high school again, living with my parents and my bedroom is the only space that is mine.

first world problems … .

250 sagehen  Jul 10, 2015 7:36:59am

re: #242 Kryptik

You’re thinking the Atlatl.

so close!!

251 Eventual Carrion  Jul 10, 2015 7:38:07am

re: #243 bratwurst

This man is an idiot. And a fucking asshole.

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I agree. Any government facility that it is permanently padlocked in place on a pole, it should come down. Government property is all the peoples property, not one specific subset. Now where is this gov property it is permanently flown?

Well John?

252 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 10, 2015 7:40:44am

re: #251 Eventual Carrion

There are two subsets of assholes here: those who do not understand that we are not banning or outlawing the Confederate flag, we have just come to decide that it is inappropriate to fly it over government buildings.

The second subset understands that distinction but glosses over it to further enrage the first subset.

253 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 7:41:14am

the one-minute time machine

science fun

254 Tigger2  Jul 10, 2015 7:43:02am

re: #229 The Vicious Babushka

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Ben wouldn’t know reality if it reared up and bit him on the ass.

255 Decatur Deb  Jul 10, 2015 7:44:34am

re: #242 Kryptik

You’re thinking the Atlatl.

Our department had an atl-atl competition. I failed to letter, but my buddy was DQ’d for hot-glue residue.

256 FormerDirtDart  Jul 10, 2015 7:44:43am
257 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 10, 2015 7:46:09am

re: #256 FormerDirtDart

Christians still can’t worship or build schools or pray or do anything.
///

258 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 7:46:37am

re: #252 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

There are two subsets of assholes here: those who do not understand that we are not banning or outlawing the Confederate flag, we have just come to decide that it is inappropriate to fly it over government buildings.

The second subset understands that distinction but glosses over it to further enrage the first subset.

As Free Speech and all that, we cannot ban the Confederate Flag, no more than we can ban the KKK. Which, IMHO, is the down side of Free Speech.

The flag is offensive. It represents slavery. Which, to an American SHOULD be enough.

But, when humans are involved … .

259 Decatur Deb  Jul 10, 2015 7:47:27am

The inglorious tale of healthcare.gov begins to materialize:

“Here is the tl;dr version of their story: Marketplace Lite, or “MPL” as they came to be known, devoted months to rewriting healthcare.gov functions in full, working as a startup within the government and replacing contractor-made apps with ones costing one-fiftieth of the price. And when, nearly a year after the initial launch of healthcare.gov, the website’s second open-enrollment proved much healthier than its first, it was the MPL team who celebrated.”

theatlantic.com

I would have granted a waiver to my no-death-penalty rule for the original contractor developers.

260 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 7:48:59am
261 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 7:49:46am

re: #257 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Christians still can’t worship or build schools or pray or do anything.
///

They have to live with people who are different from them.

THE HORROR

&^%$!!!

262 FormerDirtDart  Jul 10, 2015 7:49:51am

re: #257 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Christians still can’t worship or build schools or pray or do anything.
///

YOU ARE OPPRESSING ME BY NOT FOLLOWING MY RULES!!!!!

263 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 7:50:47am

re: #252 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

There are two subsets of assholes here: those who do not understand that we are not banning or outlawing the Confederate flag, we have just come to decide that it is inappropriate to fly it over government buildings.

The second subset understands that distinction but glosses over it to further enrage the first subset.

You know, when there is an opportunity to benefit from chaos —someone will create chaos… .

264 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 7:51:37am

re: #245 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I Chateuneuf-de-Pape but I did not shoot Gérard Depardieu…

What about the Sheriff and the Deputy?

265 Belafon  Jul 10, 2015 7:52:37am

Do we know who took the flag down?

266 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 7:53:13am

re: #242 Kryptik

You’re thinking the Atlatl.

Spear-Thrower

early projectile weapon?

267 FormerDirtDart  Jul 10, 2015 7:58:06am

re: #265 Belafon

Do we know who took the flag down?

South Carolina Department of Public Safety Honor Guard.
ie SC Highway Patrol troopers

268 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 7:59:11am

pink bus?

269 darthstar  Jul 10, 2015 7:59:43am

re: #266 FemNaziBitch

Spear-Thrower

early projectile weapon?

Now I feel so primitive on my walks with Banjo.

270 Decatur Deb  Jul 10, 2015 8:00:00am

re: #266 FemNaziBitch

Spear-Thrower

early projectile weapon?

Yup. Leverage-enhancing extension of the throwiing arm. (And not limited to the New World.)

271 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 8:01:02am

seejanework.com has had a bunch of products at Office Depot —overpriced cutie things that no professional woman would bother with. Students maybe …

Anyway, it’s ALL in the clearance section now. Still not selling.

This is 2015 for fucks sake.

272 Franklin  Jul 10, 2015 8:03:29am

re: #253 FemNaziBitch

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Video

the one-minute time machine

science fun

Awesome! You had me at time machine.

273 De Kolta Chair  Jul 10, 2015 8:05:16am

Donald Trump: “Persians are great negotiators.”

274 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 8:06:39am

re: #270 Decatur Deb

Yup. Leverage-enhancing extension of the throwiing arm. (And not limited to the New World.)

Aztecs also had books! Very similar to Egyptians.

275 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 10, 2015 8:08:54am

re: #270 Decatur Deb

Yup. Leverage-enhancing extension of the throwiing arm. (And not limited to the New World.)

Woomera, the Australian rocket launch site, is named after the spearchucker in some Australian language (can’t find a reference as to which one).

276 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 10, 2015 8:09:44am

re: #275 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Woomera, the Australian rocket launch site, is named after the spearchucker in some Australian language (can’t find a reference as to which one).

careful who you are calling “spearchucker”!

/

277 ObserverArt  Jul 10, 2015 8:09:53am

re: #269 darthstar

Now I feel so primitive on my walks with Banjo.

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My good friend the dog trainer uses that tennis ball slinger to toss tennis balls to the pooches he works with. Good that it grasps the ball from on the ground so you don’t have to grab the slobbery ball! That is if the doggy is good at dropping the ball so you can toss it again. Most of his clients seem to like the little tug of war to get the ball back from out of their mouth.

278 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 8:11:58am
279 CuriousLurker  Jul 10, 2015 8:12:16am

There’s a PDF of the entire ruling available at the link. It’s long—122 pages—so there are LOTS of details.

280 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 10, 2015 8:13:36am

Better late than never, I guess—I like the new font a little better. Of course, sans-serif fonts cause brain damage, so when the transition occurred, I wasn’t sure if it was for real or just another small sans-serif-induced cerebral aneurysm…. I don’t know what it is with the internet and its fixation on these illegible typefaces.

281 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 8:14:00am

re: #279 CuriousLurker

There’s a PDF of the entire ruling available at the link. It’s long—122 pages—so there are LOTS of details.

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weddingcakegate

I just can’t get interested.

282 ObserverArt  Jul 10, 2015 8:15:12am

Interesting day in USA history.

The damn rag is coming down in South Carolina.

The USA women’s soccer team is getting a ticker-tape parade in New York city. The first women’s sporting team to be so honored.

The fact the team has at least one admitted gay member adds to the whole thing too.

More for Ben Shapiro and John Nolte to lose their minds over!

284 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 10, 2015 8:16:18am

re: #281 FemNaziBitch

weddingcakegate

I just can’t get interested.

If you’ve set yourself up in a business to serve the public, you’ve got to serve the public. I don’t know why this is a difficult concept.

285 lawhawk  Jul 10, 2015 8:17:03am

150 years after the end of the Civil War, conservative bigots are still bigots. Trying to skate on the fact that the Party of Lincoln emancipated the slaves doesn’t give the modern GOP the right to claim that they are champions of civil rights, not when the modern GOP stands opposed to civil rights, protecting minorities, and ensuring equal protection and equal justice under the law.

The confederate flag is a symbol, but one that the right wing, which is tied to the GOP, seems completely tied to and for which it is fighting to keep around, even though it’s the flag of insurrectionists, slave-holders, and insurgents who fought against the Union in part to protect the institution of slavery.

That the then Democrats have shifted party affiliations to the modern GOP shouldn’t be overlooked. That’s what’s changed. Racism and segregation still have to be overcome. The symbol of the confederate flag is just that - a symbol, but there is far more important work to be done like fixing the VRA and enforcing federal laws promoting equal rights and equal protection under the law.

Yet, it seems the GOP wants to undermine those laws and protections all while wrapping up their cause as religious freedom. Never mind that the same arguments were made to protect segregation and Jim Crow. It’s the same story, repeated again as a stutter. And this time, we need to be vigilant to make sure that the changes and protections to minorities is lasting.

286 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 8:18:02am

<blockquote>Mr. Bush praised Mr. Clinton for befriending his father, the elder President George Bush, after defeating him in the 1992 presidential election. “They ended up having a friendship, so you have to ask the question, how does that happen?” Mr. Bush said. “It helped that Bill was so gracious.”

He went on to plug his book, “41: A Portrait of My Father,” an ode to the elder Bush, released last year. “It’s important to be a humble winner, and I find that relationship to be very instructive,” he said, referring to Mr. Clinton’s friendship with his father. “That’s why I spent a fair amount of time in Chapter 7 on it.”

POTUSes seem so cool once they are out of office.

287 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 8:19:10am

re: #284 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

If you’ve set yourself up in a business to serve the public, you’ve got to serve the public. I don’t know why this is a difficult concept.

If a business doesn’t want your money, it’s their loss —is my first response. Then I remember the lunch counters in the South… .

288 Decatur Deb  Jul 10, 2015 8:19:31am

re: #286 FemNaziBitch

<blockquote>Mr. Bush praised Mr. Clinton for befriending his father, the elder President George Bush, after defeating him in the 1992 presidential election. “They ended up having a friendship, so you have to ask the question, how does that happen?” Mr. Bush said. “It helped that Bill was so gracious.”

He went on to plug his book, “41: A Portrait of My Father,” an ode to the elder Bush, released last year. “It’s important to be a humble winner, and I find that relationship to be very instructive,” he said, referring to Mr. Clinton’s friendship with his father. “That’s why I spent a fair amount of time in Chapter 7 on it.”

POTUSes seem so cool once they are out of office.

Lot of karma to work off.

289 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 8:20:08am

I, personally, don’t understand why a small business would turn away legitimate money.

290 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 10, 2015 8:20:34am

re: #286 FemNaziBitch

POTUSes seem so cool once they are out of office.

Never liked GHW Bush as a President, but as an ex-Prez he has been a decent fellow.

Jimmy Carter has been sorta the opposite to me.

291 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 10, 2015 8:20:37am

re: #279 CuriousLurker

There’s a PDF of the entire ruling available at the link. It’s long—122 pages—so there are LOTS of details.

So, the anti-gay cake bakers made the gay couple’s address public, which led to threats against the gay couple.

Not only that, as the blog explains, the bakery owners shared the couple’s personal contact information - which led to death threats that nearly caused them to lose custody of their foster children.

Stay classy, wingnuts.

292 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 8:20:44am

re: #288 Decatur Deb

Lot of karma to work off.

I think they are just relieved and glad to have at least one person who understands …. It’s a rather small club.

293 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 10, 2015 8:21:50am

re: #289 FemNaziBitch

I, personally, don’t understand why a small business would turn away legitimate money.

Not only that, as the blog explains, the bakery owners shared the couple’s personal contact information - which led to death threats that nearly caused them to lose custody of their foster children.

Because they are sick f*cks, that’s why…

294 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 10, 2015 8:22:23am

re: #282 ObserverArt

The fact the team has at least one admitted gay member adds to the whole thing too.

At least two. Wambach and Megan Rapinoe.

295 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 10, 2015 8:22:42am

re: #291 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

So, the anti-gay cake bakers made the gay couple’s address public, which led to threats against the gay couple.

Stay classy, wingnuts.

So how much did it cost to reach and write out and edit and print up this decision? Are we sure $135,000 is enough?

296 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 8:24:04am

re: #290 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Never liked GHW Bush as a President, but as an ex-Prez he has been a decent fellow.

Jimmy Carter has been sorta the opposite to me.

Really, I’ve gained tremendous respect for Carter. In the 1990’s I listed to one of his autobiographies —he narrated it himself. He talked about some rather personal stuff he had to “admit” to doing wrong (quitting the Navy without telling Roselyn and repairing his relationships with his sons).

He does live his Christian values - doesn’t just wear them on his sleeve.

Sometimes I think he would have made a tremendous preacher —one I might actually be able to respect.

297 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 8:25:33am

IIRC, is weddingcakegate self-create to increase advertising and profits for a specific baker? Didn’t they end up with a go-fund me page or something?

Create Chaos + self-promotion = $$$$$$$

298 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 10, 2015 8:26:06am

re: #284 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

If you’ve set yourself up in a business to serve the public, you’ve got to serve the public. I don’t know why this is a difficult concept.

As a caveat—if these guys came in there doing their best Rip Taylor impressions and scattering feathers all about, the store owners would have had every right to throw them out on their ears, but that’s a totally separate issue.

299 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 8:26:14am

Bush #1 also left the NRA —quit publically.

I respect that action.

300 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 10, 2015 8:26:23am

re: #296 FemNaziBitch

Sometimes I think [Jimmy Carter] would have made a tremendous preacher —one I might actually be able to respect.

I suspect that I would appreciate him more as a preacher in the pulpit than as an elder statesman expounding on politics.

301 Lidane  Jul 10, 2015 8:27:04am

CRY MOAR:

302 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 10, 2015 8:27:51am

re: #298 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

As a caveat—if these guys came in there doing their best Rip Taylor impressions and scattering feathers all about, the store owners would have had every right to throw them out on their ears, but that’s a totally separate issue.

If making gay wedding cakes bothers you, then don’t offer wedding cakes. Nobody can force you to add items to your inventory, just as nobody can force a kosher/halal butcher to offer bacon.

303 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 8:28:35am

re: #301 Lidane

CRY MOAR:

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The colors of the visible spectrum —how controversial.

The artist within is bristling.

304 ObserverArt  Jul 10, 2015 8:29:41am

re: #294 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

At least two. Wambach and Megan Rapinoe.

Thanks for the info. It’s just good to know some people can be who they are and be more open about it.

One of these days the inhabitants of this globe will figure out all different colors and makeups is a good thing and the bad thing was forcing them to not be colorful as Mom Nature (God, Creator, etc,) intended.

305 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 10, 2015 8:30:25am

re: #303 FemNaziBitch

The colors of the visible spectrum —how controversial.

The artist within is bristling.

They never really accepted Newton’s work—they think the prism contaminates and impurifies the immaculate white light….

306 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 10, 2015 8:30:25am

re: #282 ObserverArt

The USA women’s soccer team is getting a ticker-tape parade in New York city. The first women’s sporting team to be so honored.

So proud of these ladies.

307 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 8:31:46am

The Real Value of $100 in Each State

I get all these emails and I have a hard time keeping the names of organizations straight -which is affiliated with Heritage etc …

308 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 10, 2015 8:32:02am

re: #304 ObserverArt

Thanks for the info. It’s just good to know some people can be who they are and be more open about it.

One of these days the inhabitants of this globe will figure out all different colors and makeups is a good thing and the bad thing was forcing them to not be colorful as Mom Nature (God, Creator, etc,) intended. that what consenting adults do for fun in their spare time is nobody’s business but their own

309 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 10, 2015 8:32:53am

re: #306 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

So proud of these ladies.

Honestly—has 4 goals in 16 minutes ever happened in Association Football before?

310 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 8:33:25am

VOCABULARY WORD OF THE DAY:

tribology
PRONUNCIATION:
(try-BOL-uh-jee, tri-)

MEANING:
noun: The study of interacting surfaces in relative motion and associated issues, such as friction, lubrication, and wear.

ETYMOLOGY:
From Greek tribos (rubbing), from tribein (to rub). Earliest documented use: 1966.

NOTES:
Usually words are coined on the streets of language, but here is one instance where a word may be considered to have been synthesized in a lab, if there could be such a thing as a word lab. In 1965, a group of lubrication engineers decided they needed a name for what they did and contacted the editors of the Oxford English Dictionary for help. Out of this came the word tribology, suggested by one C.G. Hardie of Magdalen College.

So even though it looks like the perfect word for it, tribology is not the study of tribes. A related term is triboelectricity: electricity generated by friction.

USAGE:
“As in the later case of the frayed shoelace, what I wanted here was tribology: detailed knowledge of the interaction between the surfaces inflicting the wear and the surfaces receiving it.”
Nicholson Baker; Mezzanine; Weidenfeld and Nicholson; 1988.

at first glance I thought it might refer to a clan of tribbles.

311 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 8:33:50am

re: #308 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

THE HORROR!!!

312 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 8:34:07am

re: #305 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They never really accepted Newton’s work—they think the prism contaminates and impurifies the immaculate white light….

LOL

313 CuriousLurker  Jul 10, 2015 8:34:26am

re: #301 Lidane

CRY MOAR:

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It’s becoming downright comical now—the melodrama is actually making me giggle.

314 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 8:35:14am

re: #304 ObserverArt

Thanks for the info. It’s just good to know some people can be who they are and be more open about it.

One of these days the inhabitants of this globe will figure out all different colors and makeups is a good thing and the bad thing was forcing them to not be colorful as Mom Nature (God, Creator, etc,) intended.

It’s all about rejecting Gaia. She did not create the heavens, the heavens created her.

or some such misogyny.

Like it really matters to the average person trying to get thru the day.

315 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 10, 2015 8:35:46am

re: #301 Lidane

CRY MOAR:

Does Nolte still use the Nick Nolte avi with the frazzed hair, like he’s on drugs? Very fitting.

316 De Kolta Chair  Jul 10, 2015 8:35:57am

I live half a block from Broadway and the roars of cheering fromt he parade keep getting louder and louder.

Here come the bagpipes, playing the Irish song “The Minstrel Boy.”

Gotta check this out! BBL

317 ObserverArt  Jul 10, 2015 8:36:20am

re: #308 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Agreed. I don’t care what consenting adults do for fun in their spare time as it is not my business …and so I kept it simple and just went with colorful…because that is what we do see.

318 Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 10, 2015 8:36:24am

re: #313 CuriousLurker

It’s becoming downright comical now—the melodrama is actually making me giggle.

I know. Between the “So now Liberals think they’ve ended Racism” and “Help! I’m being repressed!”, the display of petulance is making my eyes roll dangerously.

319 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 10, 2015 8:36:38am

re: #312 FemNaziBitch

LOL

Honest to God—that’s what Newton’s critics said at the time. Sometimes I think: “Yeah, he was a world-class asshole—but can you blame him?”

320 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 8:37:03am

My inner capitalist is shaking her head.

Legal money is legal money.

Ayn Rand is doing cartwheels in her grave.

321 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 8:37:40am

re: #317 ObserverArt

Agreed. I don’t care what consenting adults do for fun in their spare time as it is not my business …and so I kept it simple and just went with colorful…because that is what we do see.

No kids, no animals.

All else is not my business.

322 Lidane  Jul 10, 2015 8:37:50am

re: #313 CuriousLurker

It’s becoming downright comical now—the melodrama is actually making me giggle.

Speaking of melodrama:

323 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 8:38:31am

re: #319 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Honest to God—that’s what Newton’s critics said at the time. Sometimes I think: “Yeah, he was a world-class asshole—but can you blame him?”

dude I need a link to that.

324 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 10, 2015 8:39:15am

re: #321 FemNaziBitch

No kids, no animals.

All else is not my business.

Consenting adults.

The point is, whatever does not interfere with others’ rights falls under the natural right of “the pursuit of happiness”.

325 Eventual Carrion  Jul 10, 2015 8:39:25am

re: #286 FemNaziBitch

<blockquotenytimes.com">nytimes.com”>>
[snip]

POTUSes seem so cool once they are out of office.

I never had anything against Bush other than the fact that he was a meat puppet for some evil fucks.

326 Lidane  Jul 10, 2015 8:41:03am

Please proceed:

The DNC and the Clinton camp just need to start sending Trump fruit baskets every time he opens his mouth. He’s doing their jobs for them.

327 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 10, 2015 8:41:30am
328 calochortus  Jul 10, 2015 8:42:06am

re: #307 FemNaziBitch

The Real Value of $100 in Each State

I get all these emails and I have a hard time keeping the names of organizations straight -which is affiliated with Heritage etc …

I know what you mean-you can’t tell the players without a program. I think Tax Foundation leans anti-tax without lying about numbers.

I always find the sort of comparison in the link to be fairly useless-kind of like “Best Places to Retire” lists. Sure, my dollar would go farther in MS than here in CA, but salaries are probably lower in MS and I would not like the climate. We are really fortunate to be able to live where we do, and I will cheerfully give up some of what I could buy with the money I would save by living in MS, to live here.

I know there are people who love living in MS, and this isn’t intended to put down their preference. It is just to point out that cost of living is not the end all and be all in picking a spot to live.

329 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 8:42:47am

I heard some science podcast a few weeks ago about the genetics of gender. It was all to involved for me. The gist was that for a male fetus to be created the female gene (not the proper vocabulary word) had to be folded or repressed (again not proper vocabulary word).

I got the idea that only certain traits were had to be allowed to be expressed —to make the male fetus.

I wish I could remember the source, I’d like to get it all straight.

anyone have a clue?

I know there are genetic science buffs here.

330 ObserverArt  Jul 10, 2015 8:42:54am

re: #324 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Consenting adults.

The point is, whatever does not interfere with others’ rights falls under the natural right of “the pursuit of happiness”.

I keep pounding that phrase and also “promote the general Welfare” from the preamble to the US Constitution to cover both of the big SCOTUS decisions.

Keep it simple. Hard to argue simple words. They are what they are.

331 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 8:43:25am

re: #326 Lidane

Please proceed:

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The DNC and the Clinton camp just need to start sending Trump fruit baskets every time he opens his mouth. He’s doing their jobs for them.

How many immigrants does Trump employ to clean his hotels?

332 Eventual Carrion  Jul 10, 2015 8:43:26am

re: #293 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Not only that, as the blog explains, the bakery owners shared the couple’s personal contact information - which led to death threats that nearly caused them to lose custody of their foster children.

Because they are sick f*cks, that’s why…

And they should be fined just for that, or a civil suit at least.

333 Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 10, 2015 8:43:43am

re: #327 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hey, but it’s a symbol of rebelling against the system that allowed you to become rich and famous for pretending not to be part of it!

334 calochortus  Jul 10, 2015 8:44:02am

re: #324 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Consenting adults.

The point is, whatever does not interfere with others’ rights falls under the natural right of “the pursuit of happiness”.

Full, free and informed consent. Don’t do it in the street and scare the horses.

335 Decatur Deb  Jul 10, 2015 8:44:18am

re: #328 calochortus

I know what you mean-you can’t tell the players without a program. I think Tax Foundation leans anti-tax without lying about numbers.

I always find the sort of comparison in the link to be fairly useless-kind of like “Best Places to Retire” lists. Sure, my dollar would go farther in MS than here in CA, but salaries are probably lower in MS and I would not like the climate. We are really fortunate to be able to live where we do, and I will cheerfully give up some of what I could buy with the money I would save by living in MS, to live here.

I know there are people who love living in MS, and this isn’t intended to put down their preference. It is just to point out that cost of living is not the end all and be all in picking a spot to live.

I can drive to a decent deli in less than 6 hours.

336 Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 10, 2015 8:45:13am

re: #335 Decatur Deb

I can drive to a decent deli in less than 6 hours.

You could fly to NYC in less time.

337 Great White Snark  Jul 10, 2015 8:45:20am

re: #327 Backwoods_Sleuth

Plays to his base better than anyone in his band ever played bass.

338 Targetpractice  Jul 10, 2015 8:45:36am

re: #326 Lidane

Please proceed:

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The DNC and the Clinton camp just need to start sending Trump fruit baskets every time he opens his mouth. He’s doing their jobs for them.

Trump is the gift that keeps on giving. The chaos and destruction he is causing within the GOP ranks is gonna be felt long after he gets relegated to the ash heap. Whoever does win the primary is gonna have a lot of work ahead of them.

339 Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 10, 2015 8:47:01am

re: #337 Great White Snark

Plays to his base better than anyone in his band ever played bass.

I seen what you done there.

340 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 10, 2015 8:47:08am

Fun day in store for us in Kentucky. We already had a massive power outage just before dawn.

341 calochortus  Jul 10, 2015 8:47:50am

re: #335 Decatur Deb

I can drive to a decent deli in less than 6 hours.

We only run our AC a few hours over the entire summer.

342 Decatur Deb  Jul 10, 2015 8:48:50am

re: #336 Blind Frog Belly White

You could fly to NYC in less time.

Only fly there to catch The Prodigals at Paddy Reilly’s.

343 Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 10, 2015 8:49:05am

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fun day in store for us in Kentucky. We already had a massive power outage just before dawn.

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Not making light of that, but this is what I think of when people ask me how I can live in CA, what with the earthquakes and all.

344 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 10, 2015 8:50:20am

re: #327 Backwoods_Sleuth

KidRock tells Confederate flag protesters to ‘kiss my ass’:

Just keep singing Sweet Home Alabama all summer long…

345 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 8:50:34am

Guys working on the house keep messing with the modem.

oy

346 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 8:51:10am

re: #343 Blind Frog Belly White

Not making light of that, but this is what I think of when people ask me how I can live in CA, what with the earthquakes and all.

People say they same about Chicago and winter.

Everyplace has something …

347 blueraven  Jul 10, 2015 8:51:12am

re: #327 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh look, a Confederate flag guitar.

348 Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 10, 2015 8:52:27am

re: #346 FemNaziBitch

People say they same about Chicago and winter.

Everyplace has something …

Exactly. This particular place happens to have jobs for people who do what I do.

349 Eventual Carrion  Jul 10, 2015 8:55:12am

re: #344 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Just keep singing Sweet Home Alabama all summer long…

Southern man

350 Great White Snark  Jul 10, 2015 8:57:10am

re: #339 Blind Frog Belly White

I seen what you done there.

I’m really sorry to see that quote. He blew through town here once and did some nice things at local businesses. Good first impression situation I guess.

351 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 10, 2015 8:57:12am

re: #323 FemNaziBitch

dude I need a link to that.


Here’s Wikipedia
on the reception of Newton’s color theory.

“Aristotelean color theory” was still accepted by the Cartesians who were Newton’s main opponents. Here’s a discussion of Greek color theory in general: PDF warning!

I got my info from reading Westfall’s Newton biography Never at Rest long long ago—dead-tree era.

352 Decatur Deb  Jul 10, 2015 8:59:07am

Crazy in Alabama

353 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 9:05:19am

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fun day in store for us in Kentucky. We already had a massive power outage just before dawn.

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batton down the hatches!

354 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 10, 2015 9:08:26am

re: #286 FemNaziBitch

He has to fight off a lot of history. I remember exactly how polarizing he was.

355 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 10, 2015 9:09:10am

re: #347 blueraven

I never had any respect for that guy. Isn’t he from Michigan anyway?

356 Lancelot Link  Jul 10, 2015 9:09:23am

re: #332 Eventual Carrion

And they should be fined just for that, or a civil suit at least.

Apparently, that’s what they were fined for.

357 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 10, 2015 9:10:09am

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fun day in store for us in Kentucky. We already had a massive power outage just before dawn.

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You’re being attacked by Vietnam!

358 CuriousLurker  Jul 10, 2015 9:11:26am

re: #318 Blind Frog Belly White

I know. Between the “So now Liberals think they’ve ended Racism” and “Help! I’m being repressed!”, the display of petulance is making my eyes roll dangerously.

THIS. I’m afraid I’m going to injure myself if they don’t stop. //

Histrionics—that’s the (more accurate) word I was looking for.

359 WhatEVs  Jul 10, 2015 9:12:54am

re: #278 FemNaziBitch

Climate Change Is Shrinking Where Bumblebees Range, Research Finds

so climate change is not man-made?????

Christ, another example of poor headline writing.

360 The Vicious Babushka  Jul 10, 2015 9:13:04am

So much unhunged Derp flying across Teh Twitters it’s hard to keep up with.

361 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 10, 2015 9:14:10am

re: #318 Blind Frog Belly White

I know. Between the “So now Liberals think they’ve ended Racism” and “Help! I’m being repressed!”, the display of petulance is making my eyes roll dangerously.

Liberals do not think they have ended racism, they have just curbed one of its more egregious manifestations.

362 calochortus  Jul 10, 2015 9:15:18am

re: #360 The Vicious Babushka

So much unhunged Derp flying across Teh Twitters it’s hard to keep up with.

And that’s why I count on you and the other Lizards to filter through it all for me and offer a carefully curated* collection of derp.

*What is it with every group of things being described as “curated” lately?

363 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 10, 2015 9:15:25am
364 calochortus  Jul 10, 2015 9:16:48am

re: #363 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Suddenly I have an urge to put fish tacos on the menu here. Must be the red cabbage slaw.

365 #FergusonFireside  Jul 10, 2015 9:16:59am

re: #347 blueraven

Oh look, a Confederate flag guitar.

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His fans are the redneck contingent. He’s gotta keep the Fair Rodeo concert money coming in.

366 withak  Jul 10, 2015 9:17:51am

Dammit, now I want fish tacos for lunch.

367 #FergusonFireside  Jul 10, 2015 9:18:51am

re: #363 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Of course a CA kid came up with it!

CALIFORNIA: Aria Pelaez, Age 9, California Rainbow Taco with Mic-Kale Obama Slaw and Barack-amole

368 De Kolta Chair  Jul 10, 2015 9:20:23am

Great turnout for the US women’s soccer team victory parade up the Canyon of Heroes, though nothing compared to when the Mets or Yankees win the World Series (yes, I’m old enough to remember those ;-P Go Red Sox!). Anyway, I’m glad I got off my lazy arse to see it. Next time I’ll remember to bring my camera.

369 calochortus  Jul 10, 2015 9:23:23am

re: #368 De Kolta Chair

Sometimes it’s good to just enjoy an experience without a camera.

370 De Kolta Chair  Jul 10, 2015 9:25:33am

re: #347 blueraven

Oh look, a Confederate flag guitar.

_____________________________________

US Flag Code §176. Respect for flag

(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. […]

Oh ‘Mercia.

371 De Kolta Chair  Jul 10, 2015 9:30:32am

re: #369 calochortus

Sometimes it’s good to just enjoy an experience without a camera.

Very true.

372 ObserverArt  Jul 10, 2015 9:30:43am

re: #367 #FergusonFireside

Of course a CA kid came up with it!

What is this world coming to!

Good…that is what.

I did a search of her name.

ABC 7 News - SAN FRANCISCO GIRL WINS WHITE HOUSE HEALTHY FOOD CHALLENGE

Aria says she’s looking forward to meeting the first lady. “I think it’s really inspiring and it’s great that she says that to help other kids learn that it’s not good to just to eat junk food all day. It’s good to have healthy food, that’s good tasting,” she said.

And she is cute in her apron…looks like she has a future in foods if she desires.

San Francisco resident Aria Pelaez, 9, was the White House Healthy Food Challenge winner for her California Rainbow Taco with Mic-Kale Obama Slaw and Barack-amole. (KGO-TV)
373 blueraven  Jul 10, 2015 9:31:13am

re: #370 De Kolta Chair

US Flag Code §176. Respect for flag

(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. […]

Oh ‘Mercia.

He uses it as a cudgel so I guess that’s OK. /

374 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 9:32:36am

re: #359 WhatEVs

Christ, another example of poor headline writing.

I blame Monsanto …

:)

375 blueraven  Jul 10, 2015 9:33:46am

OPM director, Archuleta resigns after massive data breach.

376 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 10, 2015 9:34:40am

Note to GOP Presidential Candidates: Donald Trump Is Drinking Your Milkshake:

Every time someone on one of the news networks talks about Donald Trump, the rich Pomeranian/St. Bernard mix running for president, some pundit or other has to say that Trump will flame out or fade away. It depends on whether he says something so outrageous as to alienate any support (which, at this point, would have to be something like “Yes, I fuck ferrets. I fuck ferrets better and more often than Jeb Bush has ever fucked a ferret. Now watch me fuck this ferret.” Although, really, it still makes him a better choice than Ted Cruz), or he just peaks at the 15% or so he has now, and as other candidates drop out, their support goes to Jeb Bush.

377 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 10, 2015 9:38:24am

re: #375 blueraven

OPM director, Archuleta resigns after massive data breach.

You know they’re resigning soon when they say they aren’t going to resign (like yesterday).

379 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 9:38:58am

re: #376 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Note to GOP Presidential Candidates: Donald Trump Is Drinking Your Milkshake:

EXCELLENT

380 FemNaziBitch  Jul 10, 2015 9:39:42am

Feral girl says it’s nap time.

bbl -maybe

381 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 10, 2015 9:40:04am

re: #372 ObserverArt

What is this world coming to!

Good…that is what.

I did a search of her name.

ABC 7 News - SAN FRANCISCO GIRL WINS WHITE HOUSE HEALTHY FOOD CHALLENGE

And she is cute in her apron…looks like she has a future in foods if she desires.

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Is she even American? I bet she’s an illegal. Why is Obummer WH sponsoring silly things like this? Moochelle’s good food sucks. Gimme my Big Shake.

382 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 10, 2015 9:42:23am

re: #372 ObserverArt

A Rainbow Taco!?!?!?!?!?!? Take down that Rainbow flag and stop oppressing us with your rainbow flags and healthy foods.

383 wrenchwench  Jul 10, 2015 9:44:42am

Great slide show at the link.

384 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 10, 2015 9:46:56am

lolol

385 calochortus  Jul 10, 2015 9:47:01am

BBL

386 Romantic Heretic  Jul 10, 2015 9:47:45am

re: #301 Lidane

Mr. Nolte? No longer having the power to classify gays as ‘not people’ is not the same thing as oppression.

387 Targetpractice  Jul 10, 2015 9:48:35am

re: #384 Backwoods_Sleuth

lolol

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Exchange “liberals” for the GOP and “conservatives” for Democrats and it’s a truthful statement. Liberals have been cleaning up the messes of conservatives in this country for decades.

388 allegro  Jul 10, 2015 9:49:44am

re: #387 Targetpractice

Exchange “liberals” for the GOP and “conservatives” for Democrats and it’s a truthful statement. Liberals have been cleaning up the messes of conservatives in this country for decades.

Telling that he thinks civil rights is a mess to clean up, just like slavery.

389 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 10, 2015 9:53:24am

re: #388 allegro

Telling that he thinks civil rights is a mess to clean up, just like slavery.

Yeah, yeah—“Democrats” were in favor of slavery, and segregation, etc., etc. Yawn.

No wonder they don’t know how to deal with Thomas Jefferson, the “Democratic-Republican”. Just write him out of the textbooks….

390 b.d.  Jul 10, 2015 9:55:37am

re: #376 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Note to GOP Presidential Candidates: Donald Trump Is Drinking Your Milkshake:

Oh, that’s very nice.

391 CuriousLurker  Jul 10, 2015 9:57:38am

Gah…the casual brutality of the way African slaves were treated. I was wikiwalking, reading about Alexandre Dumas père, whose son, Dumas fils, wrote the novel The Lady of the Camellias (on which the later Camille films were based). I’d completely forgotten that the elder Dumas’ father, Thomas-Alexandre Dumas, was half black.

Reading about him is where it got brutal. His mother, Marie-Cessette Dumas, was a slave who belonged to his father, a French nobleman named Alexandre Antoine Davy de la Pailleterie, who apparently purchased her in Saint-Domingue (now Haiti) after following his younger brother, who had married a wealthy French Creole widow and taken over her sugar plantation, there.

Antoine apparently paid an “exorbitant price” for her—I’ll bet it wasn’t nearly enough for whatever she had to endure. Anyway, she became Antoine’s concubine and resided with him at his coffee and cacao plantation. She had three children with him, Thomas-Alexandre in 1762 and two daughters after that. She also had a third daughter but it wasn’t clear if she was also fathered by Antoine or someone else. I’m gonna assume she was Antoine’s as it’s hard to imagine another slaveholder selling Marie-Cessette and allowing her to keep her child.

When Antoine decided to return to France in 1775, he sold Marie-Cessette and his daughters and took 13-year-old Thomas-Alexandre back to France with him. That’s where I stopped reading.

I simply cannot wrap my head around people thinking it’s okay to buy & sell other human beings—selling off not only the woman who has shared your life & bed for many years, but also ¾ of the children you had with her is just… NO. How could you? You fathered them, watched them grow up…. Did you feel nothing for them, you heartless bastard??

392 #FergusonFireside  Jul 10, 2015 9:57:51am

re: #383 wrenchwench

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Great slide show at the link.

Fluffy crow!

393 wrenchwench  Jul 10, 2015 9:59:22am

I thought yesterday was Friday, so I’m having a bonus day.

394 No Country For Old Haters  Jul 10, 2015 9:59:28am

re: #384 Backwoods_Sleuth

lolol

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395 #FergusonFireside  Jul 10, 2015 9:59:52am

re: #383 wrenchwench

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Great slide show at the link.

Fantastic photog.

396 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 10, 2015 10:01:03am

For days now, I’ve been trying to get the “long s” to appear on here. Dropping the bare Unicode doesn’t work, and to my dismay I discover that the “insert” button has disappeared from Character Palette Viewer (WTF?) in Yosemite. Now I discover you have to drag-and-drop it.

Anybody else see a long s: ſ ?

Here’s the reference from my last post I wanted to show like it was on the cover: Never at Reſt by David Westfall.

397 wrenchwench  Jul 10, 2015 10:02:01am

re: #391 CuriousLurker

The way some people can see other people as things to be used and lower beings seems so alien to me, but I think I’m related to some.

398 wrenchwench  Jul 10, 2015 10:03:11am

re: #395 #FergusonFireside

Fantastic photog.

Seems like it would be fun to search out and set up the shots, and endless work to make them come out that good.

399 Eventual Carrion  Jul 10, 2015 10:06:57am

re: #384 Backwoods_Sleuth

lolol

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Maybe the sky is pink in his world and it pisses him off, and we all have to hear about it.

400 De Kolta Chair  Jul 10, 2015 10:22:28am

re: #384 Backwoods_Sleuth

lolol

“Pink Elephants on Parade,” from Dumbo:

401 Amory Blaine  Jul 10, 2015 10:39:24am

Haley is so brave. So brave. Ask any reporter.

402 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 10, 2015 11:03:59am

Wrong thread…..


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