Armed Vet On UCC Campus Explains Why He Didn’t Engage Shooter

And in the process completely destroys “Gun Free Zone” and “Good Guy With Gun” argument
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File this under “to be ignored by Dana Loesch, Fox News, Katie Pavlich, and others.”

Thank God this man had the wherewithal and cool demeanor to determine that he only would have made a horrible situation worse.

Via RawStory:

A veteran who says he was carrying a concealed weapon on the UCC campus Thursday when 26-year-old Christopher Harper Mercer went on a murderous rampage, says he didn’t intervene because he knew police SWAT team members wouldn’t know him from the shooter.

In an interview with MSNBC, vet John Parker said he knows lots of students who conceal carry at the school because, despite a school policy that discourages weapons on campus, Oregon state law does allow it.

[…]

“Luckily we made the choice not to get involved,” he explained. “We were quite a distance away from the building where this was happening. And we could have opened ourselves up to be potential targets ourselves, and not knowing where SWAT was, their response time, they wouldn’t know who we were. And if we had our guns ready to shoot, they could think that we were bad guys.”

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393 comments

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Great White Snark  Oct 2, 2015 • 2:48:14pm

He also demonstrates that assumptions guys with ccw and a gun will just up and rush in making things worse are exaggerated. Of course it can happen, but we now have had a number of big shootings and robberies where ccw carry is not unusual, and nobody drew let alone fired.

What is a gun free zone anyway? Just no open or ccw? Bullshit term. If cops can roll in with guns it’s not a gun free zone. Sheesh must the advocates twist the language every freaking time?

Most of the time you can’t help, even with a gun. Defense of another particularly at any distance at all is far more problematic than backing up, taking cover and firing only if attacked directly. Speaking in broad general terms here, anything can happen but relatively few outliers will happen. Even at home the tactic is never to take it to the intruder.

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nines09  Oct 2, 2015 • 3:27:08pm

re: #1 Great White Snark
Common sense and a firm grip on reality makes the “more guns” argument totally invalid. At this point I don’t think any number of bodies can make any difference in the mind set of the gun suckers. They hold on to the lie and I think in reality, they are cowards. Afraid. Scared. Terrified of “others”. Crime. The government. The very cops and troops they supposedly love and respect. They know .000001 of actual history, and just latch onto all the jingoistic catch phrases that make them feel good. We’re the greatest nation on earth and we should be armed to the teeth? There is a certain political persuasion that has fed these assholes for years, and when something happens, they lie, cheat and steal to distance themselves from who and what they created. Guns are power. Guns are truth. Guns are what cowboys use. Good guys with guns can stop bad guys with guns. We are filthy with insanity in this nation.

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darthstar  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:09:34pm

So why carry?

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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:11:57pm

Conservatives put out their craven gun free zone lie immediately to cash in politically on their warped, perverted views.

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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:12:23pm

I just went through an argument with a guy on Facebook who said the shooting took place in a ‘gun-free zone.’ I showed him a link that says CC is jake on Oregon campuses, even quoted the ruling to him outright - and asked why he’d be carrying in the first place and why the cops gave him back his weapon and let him go home.

His response? ‘Several news outlets said it was a GFZ.’ Asked him for links, got none.

Some people just don’t want to see the light, even if you shine it right into their beady eyes.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:12:58pm

re: #3 darthstar

To intimidate others, maybe pretend that they’re not pants pissing cowards, IDK.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:13:40pm

re: #3 darthstar

So why carry?

1) They’re compensating for something.
2) They’re compensating for something.
3) They’re compensating for something.
4) It makes them feel secure in a world they are utterly frightened by.
5) They’re compensating for something.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:15:02pm
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darthstar  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:15:52pm

re: #6 Amory Blaine

To intimidate others, maybe pretend that they’re not pants pissing cowards, IDK.

They open carry (or concealed carry) because they can. It’s like getting an earring or a tribal arm band tattoo. Some kind of right of passage for young men. I’d almost guarantee that if you asked that vet three days ago why he carried a gun, he’d say it was for protection and so he could help respond if some nut started shooting up the town. The reality, however, is that he knows at some level that taking a gun out in an emergency situation is a great way to get killed.

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Bird in the Paw  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:16:04pm
File this under “to be ignored by Dana Loesch, Fox News, Katie Pavlich, and others.

I think someone will latch on and accuse him of either lying - librul plant / fake veteran or coward

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darthstar  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:18:25pm
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thedopefishlives  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:18:51pm

re: #11 darthstar

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Derp goes in, derp comes out. Derp happens. Herpdy derp.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:19:42pm

When did this gun free zone bullshit start? I don’t remember anyone calling Columbine or Virginia Tech a gun free zone.

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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:20:46pm

re: #13 Eclectic Cyborg

When did this gun free zone bullshit start? I don’t remember anyone calling Columbine or Virginia Tech a gun free zone.

I remember gun-fuckers leaning on it pretty hard after Sandy Hook. Could have started earlier, though.

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Kragar  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:20:46pm
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thedopefishlives  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:20:49pm

re: #13 Eclectic Cyborg

When did this gun free zone bullshit start? I don’t remember anyone calling Columbine or Virginia Tech a gun free zone.

It’s come in in the last couple of years - round about the time of Sandy Hook, actually, if I think about it. That’s when it started looking really grim for the gun-fuckers, so the NRA started putting out talking points about “gun-free zones” and it took off from there.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:20:51pm

re: #1 Great White Snark

He also demonstrates that assumptions guys with ccw and a gun will just up and rush in making things worse are exaggerated. Of course it can happen, but we now have had a number of big shootings and robberies where ccw carry is not unusual, and nobody drew let alone fired.

Yeah, so far, except that Texas incident where a ‘Good Guy With A Gun’ tried to intervene in a carjacking and shot the victim. Then he policed up his brass and ran like hell.

My fear is that if CCW permit holders proliferate, you’ll start getting a lot more of those incidents.

What is a gun free zone anyway? Just no open or ccw? Bullshit term. If cops can roll in with guns it’s not a gun free zone. Sheesh must the advocates twist the language every freaking time?

I also read that the Community College classrooms open to the outside, that there aren’t internal hallways. So even if it’s ‘gun free zone’ INSIDE the classrooms, that zone ends at the door. And clearly, at least one guy was carrying.

Most of the time you can’t help, even with a gun. Defense of another particularly at any distance at all is far more problematic than backing up, taking cover and firing only if attacked directly. Speaking in broad general terms here, anything can happen but relatively few outliers will happen. Even at home the tactic is never to take it to the intruder.

The other thing is that if you have a room full of people and one ‘Bad Guy With A Gun’, every shot of his either misses completely or hits somebody he’s trying to kill. OTOH, for the ‘Good Guy With A Gun’, any shot can hit an innocent person.

Picture the scenario - BGWAG shooting people, GGWAG draws. BGWAG can simply empty his clip in the general direction of the GGWAG without fear of hitting someone he doesn’t want to kill. If he hits the GGWAG, Bonus! GGWAG has to either wait till the BGWAG isolates himself, or risk killing bystanders, or just die in a hail of bullets.

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darthstar  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:22:19pm

re: #12 thedopefishlives

Derp goes in, derp comes out. Derp happens. Herpdy derp.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:30:52pm

Any gun humpers called him a coward yet?

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wrenchwench  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:30:53pm

Nearly five years ago:

Armed Giffords hero nearly shot wrong man

[…]

The new poster boy for this agenda is Joe Zamudio, a hero in the Tucson incident. Zamudio was in a nearby drug store when the shooting began, and he was armed. He ran to the scene and helped subdue the killer. Television interviewers are celebrating his courage, and pro-gun blogs are touting his equipment. “Bystander Says Carrying Gun Prompted Him to Help,” says the headline in the Wall Street Journal.

But before we embrace Zamudio’s brave intervention as proof of the value of being armed, let’s hear the whole story. “I came out of that store, I clicked the safety off, and I was ready,” he explained on Fox and Friends. “I had my hand on my gun. I had it in my jacket pocket here. And I came around the corner like this.” Zamudio demonstrated how his shooting hand was wrapped around the weapon, poised to draw and fire. As he rounded the corner, he saw a man holding a gun. “And that’s who I at first thought was the shooter,” Zamudio recalled. “I told him to ‘Drop it, drop it!’”

But the man with the gun wasn’t the shooter. He had wrested the gun away from the shooter.[…]

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Kragar  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:31:38pm

Messed around on ancestry.com

Families with your last name in US: 1

Nothing new there.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:37:57pm

re: #21 Kragar

Messed around on ancestry.com

Families with your last name in US: 1

Nothing new there.

I haven’t logged in in months, possibly even since last year. I discovered there was a new hint about a relative whom I only had to guess as to his ancestry. I’m tempted to subscribe again (even despite my lack of available funds) to find out what it is.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:38:12pm

re: #21 Kragar

Messed around on ancestry.com

Families with your last name in US: 1

Nothing new there.

If I didn’t already know a lot about my ancestry, ancestry.com would be useless to me. Looking up Smiths in America? Like hunting needles in a needle stack.

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wrenchwench  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:41:06pm

re: #23 Blind Frog Belly White

If I didn’t already know a lot about my ancestry, ancestry.com would be useless to me. Looking up Smiths in America? Like hunting needles in a needle stack.

More like looking for interesting bits of hay in a hay stack.

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Stuff Happens  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:44:48pm

Stuff happens

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:48:04pm

Jack the Ripper: has Bruce Robinson solved the world’s most famous crime?

It’s the Freemasons!

Where it led was to Robinson’s theory - he prefers the word ‘explanation’: that Jack the Ripper was not, as popular mythology would have it, a fiend or a criminal genius. ‘He was a psychopath shielded by servants of the Victorian state.’ More specifically, shielded by the fraternal bonds of Freemasonry. As much as it is about uncovering the identity of the Ripper, They All Love Jack is a scalding critique of the hypocrisy at the heart of the establishment in Victorian England, and the role played in it by Freemasonry. ‘It was endemic in the way England ran itself,’ Robinson says. ‘At the time of Jack the Ripper, there were something like 360 Tory MPs, 330 of which I can identify as Masons. The whole of the ruling class was Masonic, from the heir to the throne [Edward, Prince of Wales] down. It was part of being in the club.’

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Jenner7  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:49:54pm

This is sick. What the actual fuck?!?!

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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:55:02pm

Tennessee Republican’s deranged reaction to Oregon shooting: Christians must now arm themselves

“While this is not the time for widespread panic, it is a time to prepare,” Ramsey suggested, reacting to the 294th mass shooting in America this year.

“Whether the perpetrators are motivated by aggressive secularism, jihadist extremism or racial supremacy, their targets remain the same: Christians and defenders of the West,” he declared.

Ramsey then urged Christians to get serious about their faith and “think about getting a handgun carry permit.”

“Our enemies are armed. We must do likewise,” he concluded.

Conservative.

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A Cranky One  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:55:22pm

The vet and the person at the Giffords shooting understand the one simple fact that most gun-humpers don’t seem to understand. The first thing you must do is identify who the bad guy is. Unlike a combat zone where the enemy is easily identifiable, when there is a crowd of civilians how can you tell? Unless you see the person actually shooting people, the fact that they have a gun doesn’t necessarily make them the bad guy. The person who wrestled the gun away from the guy who shot Gabby Giffords is alive because the person rushing to help didn’t see the gun and shoot immediately.

And as GFBW noted, if you start shooting with a crowd around, the chances of hitting an innocent person are very high, especially if people are running around in a panic. The “good guy” that started shooting at the carjackers in Texas didn’t understand, and as a result the carjacking victim was shot in the head. Not by the carjackers, but by the “good guy with a gun”. And the “good guy” was such a coward that he collected the evidence and ran rather than face the consequences.

Hell, even in the Wild West guns weren’t allowed in many towns; they had too much experience with idiots, especially drunks, behaving badly with firearms.

Gun-humpers also refuse to acknowledge that while they may have the right to own firearms, carrying them in public places puts the people around them at risk. How many accidents happen every year when some idiot accidentally fires their gun, or drops it and it goes off, etc.. and injures someone around them. Often family members.

I resent that my safety is reduced by idiots carrying guns everywhere they go, a danger that carrying a gun myself does nothing to eliminate. So while it may not be the smartest thing to do, I’ve started speaking up and voicing my opinion to the idiots I see wearing guns in public. They have the 2nd Amendment right to own a gun. And I have the 1st Amendment right to call them asshole idiot cowards.

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Tigger2  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:57:14pm
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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:58:23pm

re: #16 thedopefishlives

It’s come in in the last couple of years - round about the time of Sandy Hook, actually, if I think about it. That’s when it started looking really grim for the gun-fuckers, so the NRA started putting out talking points about “gun-free zones” and it took off from there.

It amazes me that people, with all that goes on in their world & our world, choose guns as their raison d’être.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:58:54pm

re: #29 A Cranky One

That is a real concern. I’m out with my wife for a nice dinner and some teabagging mouthbreathers gun falls out of his coat and shoots someone in the head.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 2, 2015 • 4:59:52pm
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thedopefishlives  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:00:27pm

re: #31 Stanley Sea Toujours

It amazes me that people, with all that goes on in their world & our world, choose guns as their raison d’être.

My pastor divides theological issues into three categories:

1) Die for,
2) Debate,
3) Discuss.

For the gun-fuckers, they only have one setting, and that’s number 1. It’s their way or the highway, bitches.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:02:42pm

re: #30 Tigger2

I’m so old that I can remember when integrity was a thing for presidential aspirants.

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wrenchwench  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:03:12pm

re: #29 A Cranky One

The person who wrestled the gun away from the guy who shot Gabby Giffords is alive because the person rushing to help didn’t see the gun and shoot immediately.

The person rushing to help did slam the guy with the gun he had taken from the shooter against the wall. He’s very lucky to be alive. The guy who slammed him against the wall was ready to shoot and did not have the training, he only had the good sense not to shoot first.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:03:52pm

re: #30 Tigger2

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:09:52pm

re: #28 Amory Blaine

Tennessee Republican’s deranged reaction to Oregon shooting: Christians must now arm themselves

Conservative.

I’m sure if a Muslim said this after attacks on Muslims, this would not be seen as violent rhetoric. //

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thedopefishlives  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:13:10pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

I’m sure if a Muslim said this after attacks on Muslims, this would not be seen as violent rhetoric. //

You use the sarc tags, but you’re not wrong. They totally would.

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:13:23pm

re: #37 Eric The Fruit Bat

Yeah, that pic of Ben and his sign is making the rounds on Facebook.

He’s such an identity-politician, but he’ll never admit it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:13:48pm

re: #39 thedopefishlives

You use the sarc tags, but you’re not wrong. They totally would.

I used those wrong. Damn Friday drinks clouding my judgement but yeah ti would.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:14:31pm

I just imagine all the things Christian politicians say and then imagine the response if a Muslim said them. That is to say if Keith Ellison talked about 2nd amendment solutions the way Bachmann did and that Lizards is how you know Christians aren’t persecuted.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:16:55pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

I used those wrong. Damn Friday drinks clouding my judgement but yeah ti would.

Yeah, we haven’t cracked the drinks open yet. Fishspawn aren’t yet in bed, and we make it a strict rule that the kids are not to observe us indulging in adult recreation of any kind.

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Tigger2  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:18:21pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

I just imagine all the things Christian politicians say and then imagine the response if a Muslim said them. That is to say if Keith Ellison talked about 2nd amendment solutions the way Bachmann did and that Lizards is how you know Christians aren’t persecuted.

If there was a call for all AAs and Muslims to arm themselves the Right and the NRA would be screaming for very strict gun control laws.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:18:31pm

re: #43 thedopefishlives

Yeah, we haven’t cracked the drinks open yet. Fishspawn aren’t yet in bed, and we make it a strict rule that the kids are not to observe us indulging in adult recreation of any kind.

Blessing of being single in my case.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:19:00pm

re: #44 Tigger2

If there was a call for all AAs and Muslims to arm themselves the Right and the NRA would be screaming for very strict gun control laws.

Hell when the black panthers did arm themselves, Reagan became a gungrabber.

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:19:19pm

re: #22 thedopefishlives

I haven’t logged in in months, possibly even since last year. I discovered there was a new hint about a relative whom I only had to guess as to his ancestry. I’m tempted to subscribe again (even despite my lack of available funds) to find out what it is.

You could always go to your local library. Most of them have a library version of ancestry.com available. Also, if there are LDS nearby then you probably have a Family History Center not too far also, in which you can access various websites.

Local libraries are a gem in our communities and are underappreciated by a large swath of our fellow citizens. Many states have been closing down non-central archives and libraries, a shame really, all in the name of saving money.

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Tigger2  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:19:39pm

re: #46 HappyWarrior

Hell when the black panthers did arm themselves, Reagan became a gungrabber.

Yep I remember that. lol

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:19:50pm

I have to say this much though. I am so glad that from what I can tell my family sees through Trump and this right wing bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:20:22pm

re: #48 Tigger2

Yep I remember that. lol

Amazing what armed black people can do.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:20:43pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

I have to say this much though. I am so glad that from what I can tell my family sees through Trump and this right wing bullshit.

I can only hope that my parents have disdain for Trump. I’m hoping they don’t go off on an anti-immigrant rant. But I fear I know the real answer deep inside.

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TedStriker  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:22:23pm

re: #7 thedopefishlives

1) They’re compensating for something.
2) They’re compensating for something.
3) They’re compensating for something.
4) It makes them feel secure in a world they are utterly frightened by.
5) They’re compensating for something.

The penis is evil, the gun is good.

/Zardoz

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:23:02pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

I have to say this much though. I am so glad that from what I can tell my family sees through Trump and this right wing bullshit.

My Dad made a joke about him tonight. I was afraid to delve deeper. We will see.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:23:58pm

re: #51 thedopefishlives

I can only hope that my parents have disdain for Trump. I’m hoping they don’t go off on an anti-immigrant rant. But I fear I know the real answer deep inside.

I was very delighted to see an anti Trump post form one of my cousins. Not surprised at all but it and a lot of other stuff I know she is doing just confirmed the kind of person I know she is.

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Great White Snark  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:24:28pm

re: #36 wrenchwench

I wonder if the bad /accident/negligent shots fired are higher among ccw holders than police or lower. There was one Texas study that found ccw holders had a much lower incidence of criminality than the general population. But ccw guys get screened so it gets a little odd to compare. It’s not hard to find where the police screwed up, in open holster carry.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:24:40pm

re: #53 Stanley Sea Toujours

My Dad made a joke about him tonight. I was afraid to delve deeper. We will see.

Baby steps. I will admit though, I come from a quite liberal family.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:25:32pm
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freetoken  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:26:50pm

I’m trying to figure out who are Trump’s fans. As far as my relatives, I think only one has expressed anything positive about him. For some of them he’s not a True™ Conservative, while for others he’s some just a blowhard. So at least in my little corner of America less than 5% seem to like him.

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Bubblehead II  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:27:05pm

Night Lizards. May yous sleep well.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:27:31pm
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Tigger2  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:28:31pm

Here’s the NRA and Conservative Reagan flip flopping all over the place back then. And lets not forget all the Conservatives is Congress did to.

theroot.com

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:28:56pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

Baby steps. I will admit though, I come from a quite liberal family.

My Dad is basically a RWNJ. We will see.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:29:34pm

re: #62 Stanley Sea Toujours

My Dad is basically a RWNJ. We will see.

Yeah I remember oyu saying.

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nines09  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:29:59pm

re: #27 Jenner7

Grinning ear to ear no less. $$$$$$$!!!!!

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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:30:00pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:31:03pm

re: #62 Stanley Sea Toujours

My Dad is basically a RWNJ. We will see.

I feel funny just sitting around waiting for everybody my age to die…but here we are.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:31:08pm

re: #61 Tigger2

Here’s the NRA and Conservative Reagan flip flopping all over the place back then.

theroot.com

Good read.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:33:05pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

Lil’ guy looks like a polar bear.

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Great White Snark  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:33:27pm

In states other than California and NY, paerticularly in Teaxas and Arizona and Alaska, a lot of people carry. Crime is not lower. If you posit any of the worst assumptions about ccw holders, the rarity of those guys having bad incidents becomes hard to explain.

Tough part is that some guy might have been in the theater for that shooting, ran out like everyone else, happened to be unhurt and unheard from he just did exactly the right thing, his gun and permit did not entice him to play hero. Can’t prove a negative. But just about every bank robbery in Arizona or Texas has civilians with guns in range. They get involved very rarely. Why is that? Simple and straightforward. Most of them get it.

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A Cranky One  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:34:10pm

re: #36 wrenchwench

The person rushing to help did slam the guy with the gun he had taken from the shooter against the wall. He’s very lucky to be alive. The guy who slammed him against the wall was ready to shoot and did not have the training, he only had the good sense not to shoot first.

I didn’t remember that. Thanks. But it goes to the point of how to identify a “bad guy” in mass shooting situations. He heard shooting, saw a guy with a gun and assumed he could by the bad guy. As you noted, innocent people could have died without a lot of luck and a little common sense, something sorely lacking in many gun nuts.

I’m cynical enough to expect a mass shooting in the future where a gunfight erupts and a bunch of bystanders pull their guns and start shooting anyone else with a gun.

Thoughts like that would make me cranky, if I wasn’t already. ;)

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:34:23pm

Remember when Bush 41 resigned from the N.R.A. in disgust?

May 3, 1995

Dear Mr. Washington,

I was outraged when, even in the wake of the Oklahoma City tragedy, Mr. Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of N.R.A., defended his attack on federal agents as “jack-booted thugs.” To attack Secret Service agents or A.T.F. people or any government law enforcement people as “wearing Nazi bucket helmets and black storm trooper uniforms” wanting to “attack law abiding citizens” is a vicious slander on good people.

Al Whicher, who served on my [United States Secret Service] detail when I was Vice President and President, was killed in Oklahoma City. He was no Nazi. He was a kind man, a loving parent, a man dedicated to serving his country — and serve it well he did.

In 1993, I attended the wake for A.T.F. agent Steve Willis, another dedicated officer who did his duty. I can assure you that this honorable man, killed by weird cultists, was no Nazi.

John Magaw, who used to head the U.S.S.S. and now heads A.T.F., is one of the most principled, decent men I have ever known. He would be the last to condone the kind of illegal behavior your ugly letter charges. The same is true for the F.B.I.’s able Director Louis Freeh. I appointed Mr. Freeh to the Federal Bench. His integrity and honor are beyond question.

Both John Magaw and Judge Freeh were in office when I was President. They both now serve in the current administration. They both have badges. Neither of them would ever give the government’s “go ahead to harass, intimidate, even murder law abiding citizens.” (Your words)

I am a gun owner and an avid hunter. Over the years I have agreed with most of N.R.A.’s objectives, particularly your educational and training efforts, and your fundamental stance in favor of owning guns.

However, your broadside against Federal agents deeply offends my own sense of decency and honor; and it offends my concept of service to country. It indirectly slanders a wide array of government law enforcement officials, who are out there, day and night, laying their lives on the line for all of us.

You have not repudiated Mr. LaPierre’s unwarranted attack. Therefore, I resign as a Life Member of N.R.A., said resignation to be effective upon your receipt of this letter. Please remove my name from your membership list.

Sincerely,
[signed] George Bush

More: snopes.com

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:34:50pm

I had an older friend many years ago, now passed away, who liked Trump back when Trump was first becoming a national name. This must have been 20, maybe 25, years ago.

Back then Trump looked like a miracle worker.

Now we know better.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:35:01pm

re: #43 thedopefishlives

Yeah, we haven’t cracked the drinks open yet. Fishspawn aren’t yet in bed, and we make it a strict rule that the kids are not to observe us indulging in adult recreation of any kind.

Not even Civ4? Bummer.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:36:34pm

re: #73 Decatur Deb

Not even Civ4? Bummer.

What, you think I want my kids running around dressed as Napoleon and trying to conquer the world? There can be only ONE, thank you very much.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:36:59pm

re: #71 teleskiguy

Remember when Bush 41 resigned from the N.R.A. in disgust?

More: snopes.com

And that was 1995, they have gotten a lot worse since then.

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Great White Snark  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:37:01pm

I have a gun free zone for real. Not even the police are allowed a gun in this place unless it’s rolling in hot on a robbery. The office at the Angeles Shooting Ranges near Los Angeles. The largest range in the county by far. Thousands of customers. No guns in the office, and no concealed guns at all. That’s the rules, even LAPD detectives give up the concealed gun at the public range. Into the car trunk or whatever. Just up the road is the private area where twenty something agencies train anyway they wish to. But not at the public facility ever.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:37:22pm

re: #61 Tigger2

Here’s the NRA and Conservative Reagan flip flopping all over the place back then.

theroot.com

the Black Panthers may not have been what the Founding Fathers had in mind when they described “a well-regulated militia” taking up arms against the tyranny of the state, but that is exactly what they represented.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:38:11pm

re: #77 Stanley Sea Toujours

The Panthers sought to protect themselves and other law-abiding citizens against indiscriminate violence perpetrated by police forces. But firepower in the hands of black men was — and still is — seen as dangerous and wildly inappropriate. Unless, of course, that violence is intraracial. When black males from Baltimore to Chicago shoot each other, policymakers hardly notice. Apathy breeds inaction, and big business encourages that the status quo be maintained.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:40:15pm

re: #66 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

He’s older than you I’m a-sure.

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nines09  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:40:42pm

re: #71 teleskiguy

He’s a RINO now. Seems senior had a soul. Too bad the spawn were devoid of that. Hey. Stuff happens.

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darthstar  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:41:21pm

re: #77 Stanley Sea Toujours

Actually, the first draft of the Constitution mentioned “A well regulated militia OR a large sub-tropical feline with dark fur”…but it was later shortened.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:41:32pm

re: #74 thedopefishlives

What, you think I want my kids running around dressed as Napoleon and trying to conquer the world? There can be only ONE, thank you very much.

Last week my 5yr old grandkid told me “Don’t tell Mommy, but I love Hatshepsut.” Kid is hyper, but will sit and play hotseat for hours. He really liked it the time we got as far as catapults.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:42:10pm

re: #80 nines09

He’s a RINO now. Seems senior had a soul. Too bad the spawn were devoid of that. Hey. Stuff happens.

I never would have voted for him but GHWB is a man worthy of respect.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:42:24pm

re: #72 freetoken

I had an older friend many years ago, now passed away, who liked Trump back when Trump was first becoming a national name. This must have been 20, maybe 25, years ago.

Back then Trump looked like a miracle worker.

Now we know better.

Those were the years of Greed. Late 80’s early 90’s. GREED WAS GOOD. Trump embodied what everyone wanted. $$$$$$$ It was sick.

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:42:44pm

When I lived in Japan I was safe. Even in the neighborhoods which by Japanese standards were “dangerous”.

No one carried a gun.

Even the police.

How does that work?

NRA can’t ‘splain that.

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:43:55pm

re: #84 Stanley Sea Toujours

My friend was a religious guy too, but he seemed blind to the fact that Trump was the-love-of-mammon made flesh.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:44:12pm

re: #85 freetoken

When I lived in Japan I was safe. Even in the neighborhoods which by Japanese standards were “dangerous”.

No one carried a gun.

Even the police.

How does that work?

NRA can’t ‘splain that.

Guns go in, body bags come out—you can’t explain that!

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nines09  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:44:16pm

re: #83 HappyWarrior

I never would have voted for him but GHWB is a man worthy of respect.

I sat and wondered why Bush the elder stopped short of going into Iraq. In retrospect, the man had the foresight to know not to. His kid had none. To our misfortune.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:45:48pm

re: #88 nines09

I sat and wondered why Bush the elder stopped short of going into Iraq, In retrospect, the man had the foresight to know not to. His kid had none. To our misfortune.

I always gave him credit for valuing allies.I still remember Rumsfeld- “Old Europe.”

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Great White Snark  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:46:17pm

My loyalty on the internet is to the facts above almost all else.

littlegreenfootballs.com

Almost because, well you guys are great.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:46:53pm

re: #85 freetoken

Japan is one of the most xenophobic countries on the planet. As long as you play the role of a gaijin tourist, you’ll be OK. Go off-script, and watch what happens.

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EPR-radar  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:46:54pm

re: #84 Stanley Sea Toujours

Those were the years of Greed. Late 80’s early 90’s. GREED WAS GOOD. Trump embodied what everyone wanted. $$$$$$$ It was sick.

Greed is good never really ended. Instead it has become so normal as to warrant no comment.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:46:58pm

re: #74 thedopefishlives

What, you think I want my kids running around dressed as Napoleon and trying to conquer the world? There can be only ONE, thank you very much.

What’s worse is when they play as Gandhi and nuke the shit out of everyone else.

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Skip Intro  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:49:27pm

So who’s going to be the first one to join CruzCrowd, a new site where all the cool kids will be hanging.

Once users begin raising money and recruiting new members, they will earn badges, which automatically generate rewards from the Cruz Campaign store. In turn, each CruzCrowd member has the ability to track and compare their own progress against other users across their state and the nation. Badges are earned in a variety of ways (there are also several “mystery badges”). The badges themselves tell the story of the American Revolution and the drafting of the Constitution, and celebrate the brave men and women whose principled actions founded our great nation.

Users are rewarded when they accomplish the primary function - raising money

tedcruz.org

Badges! Fuckin A!, we get badges! How can anyone resist?

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Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:50:20pm

re: #94 Skip Intro

So who’s going to be the first one to join CruzCrowd, a new site where all the cool kids will be hanging.

tedcruz.org

Badges! Fuckin A!, we get badges! How can anyone resist?

We don’t need no stinkin’ badges.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:50:31pm

Willie Nelson — Sad Songs & Waltzes Ain’t Selling This Year

Willie Nelson - Sad Songs and Waltzes

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:50:36pm

I have to say I am glad I was fairly late reading the details on the shooter. I am glad that I know more about the man who tried to stop him than the shooter himself. I know for a fact I would not have been that brave.

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Brian J.  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:50:56pm

re: #94 Skip Intro

Sorry, couldn’t help it…

“Badges? BADGES? We don’t need no steenking badges!”

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:51:01pm

re: #95 Decatur Deb

We don’t need no stinkin’ badges.

That was tailor made. Cruz = idjit

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nines09  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:51:05pm

re: #94 Skip Intro

Blowing bubbles on the way ddddoooooowwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn……

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:51:24pm
Hmmm…
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Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:52:00pm

re: #98 Brian J.

Sorry, couldn’t help it…

“Badges? BADGES? We don’t need no steenking badges!”

Faster, Grasshopper!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:52:12pm

re: #94 Skip Intro

So who’s going to be the first one to join CruzCrowd, a new site where all the cool kids will be hanging.

tedcruz.org

Badges! Fuckin A!, we get badges! How can anyone resist?

Mystery badges? Listen I know their supporters have the intellecutal maturity of 12 year olds but I was not aware they are 12 year olds.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:52:50pm

I suppose though it’s not as bad as Rand Paul selling signed baseballs that cost more than many acutal baseball players signed autographs.

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Skip Intro  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:53:11pm

I wonder if the goods at the CruzCrowd store are as cool as those at the Rand Paul store? That might be a good debate question.

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Skip Intro  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:53:49pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Mystery badges? Listen I know their supporters have the intellecutal maturity of 12 year olds but I was not aware they are 12 year olds.

I’m holding out for a decoder ring.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:54:22pm

re: #78 Stanley Sea Toujours

No, no, it doesn’t go unnoticed. It gets saved up for when black people complain about being shot by police.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:54:25pm

re: #107 Skip Intro

I’m holding out for a decoder ring.

Constitution and Bible powers activate!

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Tigger2  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:54:45pm

re: #94 Skip Intro

So who’s going to be the first one to join CruzCrowd, a new site where all the cool kids will be hanging.

tedcruz.org

Badges! Fuckin A!, we get badges! How can anyone resist?

I wonder what the averages age of all his cool kids will be 50 and over.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:55:32pm
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Skip Intro  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:55:56pm

re: #110 Tigger2

I wonder what the average age of all his cool kids will be 50 and over.

Collect enough badges and get a free wheel alignment for your Rascal.

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WhatEVs  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:56:50pm

re: #88 nines09

I sat and wondered why Bush the elder stopped short of going into Iraq. In retrospect, the man had the foresight to know not to. His kid had none. To our misfortune.

His kid had Cheney whispering in his ear. Dark times.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:57:07pm

re: #111 Amory Blaine

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Real kid swag?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:57:07pm

re: #91 Eric The Fruit Bat

Japan is one of the most xenophobic countries on the planet. As long as you play the role of a gaijin tourist, you’ll be OK. Go off-script, and watch what happens.

It still doesn’t generally result in you getting shot.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:57:07pm

re: #111 Amory Blaine

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Ted’s fucked if he accidently shoots that eagle.

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Skip Intro  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:57:10pm

re: #111 Amory Blaine

That’s one tiny Ted Cruz. Easier to squash.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:58:19pm

re: #113 WhatEVs

His kid had Cheney whispering in his ear. Dark times.

Letting Cheney head up his vetting was the biggest mistake W made. I do wonder who he would ahev chosen if Cheney hadn’t told W to pick Cheney. I just remember not having a clue who Dick Cheney was and thinking it was a sort of out there pick.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:58:33pm

re: #111 Amory Blaine

I always carry a firearm in such a way that it can be pointed at my head.

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gocart mozart  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:58:41pm
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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:58:45pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2015 • 5:59:20pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:00:05pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

Letting Cheney head up his vetting was the biggest mistake W made. I do wonder who he would ahev chosen if Cheney hadn’t told W to pick Cheney. I just remember not having a clue who Dick Cheney was and thinking it was a sort of out there pick.

I actually had good memories of Cheney from GHWB’s administration, explaining rationally why we didn’t go into Iraq after kicking Saddam out of Kuwait. One can only assume either he was lying through his teeth, or something flipped a switch.

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Skip Intro  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:00:07pm

Here’s one of the cool things from CruzStore that you can put on your bike.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:00:21pm

re: #121 Amory Blaine

Ted Cruz saves America in This Right-Wing Coloring Book

Wait, wait that was real? And Cruz is championing diversity? Forget him holding a rifle on an eagle. That’s the most hard to believe thing.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:00:46pm

re: #123 Blind Frog Belly White

I actually had good memories of Cheney from GHWB’s administration, explaining rationally why we didn’t go into Iraq after kicking Saddam out of Kuwait. One can only assume either he was lying through his teeth, or something flipped a switch.

A lot of people say 9/11 changed Cheney but I know he was in that PNAC group in the late 90’s.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:01:22pm

re: #124 Skip Intro

Here’s one of the cool things from CruzStore that you can put on your bike.

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Well then you’re fucked if you ever want to come to Ted’s gingerbread house if you’re from east of Texas.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:01:39pm
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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:01:46pm

Dick Cheney knew exactly what he was doing, he was a powerful rightwinger even in the Nixon admin. I imagine it was like one of those grocery store contests where you grab all the shit you can in like 5 minutes. Case the store, find all the good stuff, and run brother run!

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:01:58pm

Dob Bylan’s “Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee” is either about Dubya and Cheney or it’s about the human condition… nyah, I like to think it’s about Dubya and Dick…

Tweedle Dee & Tweedle Dum

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:02:21pm

re: #124 Skip Intro

Cruz is anti-NASCAR!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:02:45pm

re: #130 De Kolta Chair

Dob Bylan’s “Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee” is either about Dubya about Cheney or it’s about the human condition… no, I like to think it’s about Dubya and Dick…

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Man I remember hearing that a lot in the Bush years. My Dad’s a big Dylan fan and big time W/Cheney not fan heh.

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Tigger2  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:02:54pm

re: #124 Skip Intro

Here’s one of the cool things from CruzStore that you can put on your bike.

Embedded Image

Nothing says progression better than running around in circles.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:04:05pm

re: #131 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Cruz is anti-NASCAR!

Oops!
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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:04:08pm
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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:04:25pm
Intended for children

Conservatives sure are sick fucks.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:04:32pm

The thing I remember most about Cheney was his cocky answer to why he did not serve during Vietnam- “I had other priorities.” Well shit Dick those guys who died over tehre I am sure would have rather been doing something else too. As I said HW is a man I could respect. He was one of if not the Navy’s youngest fighter pilot in WWII. He was also a pragmatist.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:04:58pm

re: #133 Tigger2

Nothing says progression better than running around in circles.

I was thinking of Zoolander:
Video

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:05:17pm

re: #32 Amory Blaine

That’s why I say there is no such thing as an accidental gun discharge. If such an occurrence occurs, it’s a mandatory 10 year prison sentence and permanent revocation of firearm ownership. It just pisses me off to see how many young kids die because the parents don’t properly secure their firearm and wind up with a dead child. That was not a tragedy, that was 100% stupidity in action and totally preventable had the parents had a scintilla of knowledge of how to secure a firearm. And since states don’t seem to give a fuck about this, seems to me the Feds need to step in and drop the hammer here. We already have laws on the books that bump up the sentencing when a firearm is used when a crime is committed; it’s time we force firearm owners realize that rights are not absolute-and if you own a firearm and fail to secure it and it kills your kid-sorry about your loss, but you violated 18 USC xxxx, and for that you do time at Club Fed.

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Skip Intro  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:05:31pm

I see Cruz also has a hunting store up. No assault rifles or bullets guaranteed to kill BLM agents though.

What a pansy.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:05:52pm

re: #136 Amory Blaine

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Conservatives sure are sick fucks.

What the fuck is worng with them?

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:06:29pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

Man I remember hearing that a lot in the Bush years. My Dad’s a big Dylan fan and big time W/Cheney not fan heh.

I heard the sound of the thunder and it roared out a warning. /-)

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:06:29pm

re: #134 De Kolta Chair

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Looks like stuff is happening there.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:06:57pm

re: #107 Skip Intro

I’m holding out for a decoder ring.

BE SURE TO DRINK YOUR OVALTINE!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:06:57pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

What the fuck is worng with them?

How long you got? Cause I have a list…..

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:06:58pm

re: #140 Skip Intro

I see Cruz also has a hunting store up. No assault rifles or bullets guaranteed to kill BLM agents though.

What a pansy.

I would bet like most conservatives who love to pose with guns that Cruz doesn’t know jack shit about actual guns. Remember Palin? A lot of people said it was obvious that she was using the guns for the first time or something like that. Guns are a fucking prop for these sick fucks.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:07:14pm

re: #145 Blind Frog Belly White

How long you got? Cause I have a list…..

Rhetorical.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:07:20pm

re: #144 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

BE SURE TO DRINK YOUR OVALTINE!

A crummy commercial? Son of a bitch!

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WhatEVs  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:07:25pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

A lot of people say 9/11 changed Cheney but I know he was in that PNAC group in the late 90’s.

Exactly right. Perhaps Reagan and Pappy Bush kept him in check.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:07:27pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

Fearful children grow into fearful adults.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:07:40pm

re: #143 Feline Fearless Leader

Looks like stuff is happening there.

“Things. Build a wall around them.” — Trump

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:07:41pm

re: #120 gocart mozart

Badgers, Badgers are badass!

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Video

TY for posting that again!! ahahahhaha

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:08:09pm

re: #144 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

BE SURE TO DRINK YOUR OVALTINE!

Updinged for a nice bank shot into the corner pocket.

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Skip Intro  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:08:39pm

re: #144 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

BE SURE TO DRINK YOUR OVALTINE!

As I recall, I hated Ovaltine. I was a Nestles’ Quick man.

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stpaulbear  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:08:41pm

re: #123 Blind Frog Belly White

One can only assume either he was lying through his teeth, or something flipped a switch.

How invested in Halliburton was he back then?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:08:48pm

re: #149 WhatEVs

Exactly right. Perhaps Reagan and Pappy Bush kept him in check.

Maybe. Cheney really is just such an asshole.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:09:02pm

re: #136 Amory Blaine

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Conservatives sure are sick fucks.

A coloring book for children, asking “What will you do when they come for you?”

Made me think of ‘Dr Strangelove” - “Ice cream, Mandrake! Children’s ice cream!”

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WhatEVs  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:09:37pm

re: #136 Amory Blaine

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Conservatives sure are sick fucks.

What are cons going to do? Scream for mommy and daddy. And hide under the bed.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:10:33pm

re: #154 Skip Intro

As I recall, I hated Ovaltine. I was a Nestles’ Quick man.

Bobby soxer.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:11:55pm

Does anyone else though remember who Bush was said to be vetting? Gore at that too. I really feel a different running mate and Gore is a shoe in.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:12:44pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

Man I remember hearing that a lot in the Bush years. My Dad’s a big Dylan fan and big time W/Cheney not fan heh.

The next time your old man comes to NYC, the first fifteen rounds are on me.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:13:23pm

PNAC

funny it seems just like the old century

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TedStriker  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:14:07pm

re: #123 Blind Frog Belly White

I actually had good memories of Cheney from GHWB’s administration, explaining rationally why we didn’t go into Iraq after kicking Saddam out of Kuwait. One can only assume either he was lying through his teeth, or something flipped a switch.

GHWB was his own man, W was the puppet of Cheney’s dark, twisted fucking dreams.

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Skip Intro  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:15:59pm

re: #157 Blind Frog Belly White

A coloring book for children, asking “What will you do when they come for you?”

Made me think of ‘Dr Strangelove” - “Ice cream, Mandrake! Children’s ice cream!”

People are applying the “Hitler” tag to the wrong guy. Cruz is the real deal.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:16:04pm

re: #162 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

PNAC

funny it seems just like the old century

Not so! 21st Century technology has enabled them to replace words like “waggon,” “knighte,” and “Siege Perilous” with their modern day equivalents.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:16:50pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

Does anyone else though remember who Bush was said to be vetting? Gore at that too. I really feel a different running mate and Gore is a shoe in.

Lieberman wasn’t a bad choice, really. Kind of a sad sack, Droopy Dog guy, but not the crazy fuck he turned out to be. No Joe Biden, though.

Gore would have done a lot better if 1) he hadn’t run away from Clinton’s record; 2) he were likeable, or even vaguely human; 3) the Press had any scruples. That ‘serial exaggerator’ stuff was largely bullshit, but it made a great story.

Of course, he actually DID win the election, unless you believe an enclave of emigre New York Jews is a hotbed of support for Buchanan.

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Skip Intro  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:17:14pm

re: #159 Decatur Deb

Bobby soxer.

Now that I think about it, I didn’t even put it in milk. I just shoveled the stuff from the can into my mouth.

Yum!

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:17:36pm

re: #163 TedStriker

GHWB was his own man, W was the puppet of Cheney’s dreams.

HW may have asked Cheney to take Dim Son under his cape.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:17:51pm

re: #162 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

PNAC

funny it seems just like the old century

Would have been better if they just played PNACle.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:20:45pm

re: #161 De Kolta Chair

The next time your old man comes to NYC, the first fifteen rounds are on me.

He’s a teetotaler heh.

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Skip Intro  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:21:12pm

re: #168 Higgs Boson’s Mate

HW may have asked Cheney to take Dim Son under his cape.

I wonder who he’ll find to look after number 2 son, Dum Fuk?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:21:23pm

“And Jesus said go forth and arm yourselves to the teeth and care not about the suffering of your fellow man.”

- 1 Republicans 20:08

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:21:28pm

re: #170 HappyWarrior

He’s a teetotaler heh.

“Okay, then the first fifteen rounds will be IN me.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:21:45pm

re: #166 Blind Frog Belly White

Lieberman wasn’t a bad choice, really. Kind of a sad sack, Droopy Dog guy, but not the crazy fuck he turned out to be. No Joe Biden, though.

Gore would have done a lot better if 1) he hadn’t run away from Clinton’s record; 2) he were likeable, or even vaguely human; 3) the Press had any scruples. That ‘serial exaggerator’ stuff was largely bullshit, but it made a great story.

Of course, he actually DID win the election, unless you believe an enclave of emigre New York Jews is a hotbed of support for Buchanan.

True true. I agree with you about Gore though. Man the whole “Al Gore claimed he invented the internet” thing was the 2000 election’s “You didn’t build that.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:22:08pm

re: #173 Blind Frog Belly White

“Okay, then the first fifteen rounds will be IN me.”

I’ll take them.Nice try.

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:22:56pm

OK, I concede that this Daily Show clip is quite funny and true to the show’s ethos.

Trump: America’s African President.

Video

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:23:20pm

Hypothetical question: If I lived in Alabama and bought a gun and destroyed it would I be committing a felony or merely a misdemeanor?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:23:57pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

I’ll take them.Nice try.

My boys are teetotalers. The Older Boy figures he’s sufficiently medicated that he doesn’t want to fuck with it, and the Younger Boy doesn’t like the taste.

Where, o where did I go wrong? Now I don’t have a drinking buddy.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:24:12pm

re: #170 HappyWarrior

He’s a teetotaler heh.

Nobody’s perfect.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:24:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:24:40pm

re: #179 Decatur Deb

Nobody’s perfect.

Ha well played.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:24:51pm

re: #177 De Kolta Chair

Hypothetical question: If I lived in Alabama and bought a gun and destroyed it would I be committing a felony or merely a misdemeanor?

If you lived in Alabama and had a gun you would best keep it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:25:10pm

re: #178 Blind Frog Belly White

My boys are teetotalers. The Older Boy figures he’s sufficiently medicated that he doesn’t want to fuck with it, and the Younger Boy doesn’t like the taste.

Where, o where did I go wrong? Now I don’t have a drinking buddy.

I enjoy it myself. Not for everyone.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:25:46pm

re: #170 HappyWarrior

He’s a teetotaler heh.

In that case, the first 30 lattes are on me. ;-)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:26:01pm

re: #176 teleskiguy

OK, I concede that this Daily Show clip is quite funny and true to the show’s ethos.

Trump: America’s African President.

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I actually see him as akin to a Russian oligarch.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:27:24pm

Well here was my adventure in amateur bartending tonight. Spaten (A Bavarian lager) with Rumple Minze (Pepperment Schnapps.) Christened it Deutsch Boilermaker.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:28:26pm

Ya’ll, need a little help. Signed up for Amazon prime. Audio books do not seem to be included. I found a book -23.95. On Audible. That sucks. Do you audio book people pay that much?

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dholmes32  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:30:15pm

Dana Loesch and her flying monkeys keep attacking me…I keep ignoring them. She’s not worth my time. She can spend the extra time stroking her guns and worshiping Moloch, the god of gun fetishists.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:30:19pm

re: #187 Stanley Sea Toujours

Ya’ll, need a little help. Signed up for Amazon prime. Audio books do not seem to be included. I found a book -23.95. On Audible. That sucks. Do you audio book people pay that much?

Audible works best when you buy a membership to it. You can do anything from one “token” a month to 24 tokens once a year (best value for money, works out to about ~$10 a token - that’s what I do).

Most books cost one token.

If you’re unsure, do their free trial.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:31:47pm

re: #189 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Audible works best when you buy a membership to it. You can do anything from one “token” a month to 24 tokens once a year (best value for money, works out to about ~$10 a token - that’s what I do).

Most books cost one token.

If you’re unsure, do their free trial.

Thanks Klys, so not through Amazon. I get movies/tv

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:32:31pm

re: #189 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Why did I just get Amazon prime? TV shows? Free shipping (which was the basic reason) I want audio books.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:32:38pm

re: #190 Stanley Sea Toujours

Thanks Klys, so not through Amazon. I get movies/tv

It’s not included with Prime, nope.

It is a fantastic deal, in my opinion. :) I’ve been a convert for over 3 years.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:32:46pm

The trial is pretty cool. I got two books that way that I expect me to last a while.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:33:06pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:33:45pm

re: #191 Stanley Sea Toujours

Why did I just get Amazon prime? TV shows? Free shipping (which was the basic reason) I want audio books.

You can get some movies and tv shows on prime. I think prime’s a good deal all in all but I don’t know how much you use Amazon.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:33:48pm

re: #192 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Didn’t plan on spending 240 tonight! I’ve been loose with the cash lately. Must rein it IN.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:34:04pm

The lights of my native land are glowing
I wonder if they’ll know me next time ‘round
I wonder if that old oak tree’s still standing
That old oak tree, the one we used to climb

BOB DYLAN - Duquesne Whistle - live in Locarno/Switzerland 15.7.2015

Yup, I’m in a Bob state of mind

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:34:04pm

re: #191 Stanley Sea Toujours

Why did I just get Amazon prime? TV shows? Free shipping (which was the basic reason) I want audio books.

Honestly, the TV and movies aren’t a bad perk, and you get some music too. But we have it mostly for the shipping.

My Audible stuff is all mine and I adore it. At the one token a month level it’s about $15 a token, all the way down to the $10 range, and you get access to a ton of sales too. Plus if you buy an ebook then sometimes you can get the audiobook for like $4 which is a steal.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:34:15pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

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I thought they were against politicizing gun violence. Oh wait, that’s only when we criticize the poor helpless guns.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:34:55pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

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If an allegedly straight guy talked that much about gay sex and relationships, someone would say he was in denial.

So, what do you do when a gay guy says the same stuff about heterosexuals?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:35:10pm

re: #196 Stanley Sea Toujours

Didn’t plan on spending 240 tonight! I’ve been loose with the cash lately. Must rein it IN.

Try the free book! Sign up for like 3 at one token a month and see if you like it/are using them. Then you can budget and save for the $240. :)

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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:35:13pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

Optimator? Dopple Bock? Octoberfest? Details please. :)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:35:15pm

I finally did get into Audible. My job requires me to be at a desk at all time doing a repeittive task and it helps to have something neat to listen to .

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:35:58pm

re: #202 Amory Blaine

Optimator? Dopple Bock? Octoberfest? Details please. :)

Okotberfest.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:36:20pm

re: #198 klys (maker of Silmarils)

TY

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:36:48pm

And now I can’t find my spare flask. Oh well, no real sentimental value to that thing unlike my normal one which is the one I bought in Prague.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:37:04pm

re: #205 Stanley Sea Toujours

TY

& you too HW

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:38:03pm

re: #176 teleskiguy

OK, I concede that this Daily Show clip is quite funny and true to the show’s ethos.

Trump: America’s African President.

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donald trump enables us to imagine what it would be like if the mafia ran the united states

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:38:39pm

re: #202 Amory Blaine

Optimator? Dopple Bock? Octoberfest? Details please. :)

Raketenflugplatz, Senor?

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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:38:44pm

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Ahh. Very good. I plan on drinking a few of those after my shift.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:38:56pm

Milo in 2014 before he realized he could capitalize on the MRA/Gamergate lunatics:

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:38:58pm

re: #207 Stanley Sea Toujours

& you too HW

Not a prob. I should add that listening toe someone else read it is a treat especially with novels or non-fiction that involves a lot of foreign terms. I am a notorious fast reader on my own and I often miss things but audio helps me focus.

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Jenner7  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:39:06pm

That’s it, I’m not voting for her!

Seriously, is this what passes for journalism? And wasn’t Trump late a couple times?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:39:41pm

re: #211 Charles Johnson

Milo in 2014 before he realized he could capitalize on the MRA/Gamergate lunatics:

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I play quite a bit of games. I don’t have a clue what he’s talking about.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:40:56pm

re: #213 Jenner7

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That’s it, I’m not voting for her!

Seriously, is this what passes for journalism? And wasn’t Trump late a couple times?

IT’s a good thing her opponents aren’t bigoted extremists. //

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Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:41:24pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

I finally did get into Audible. My job requires me to be at a desk at all time doing a repeittive task and it helps to have something neat to listen to .

That’s how the cigarmakers spawned a union movement—Samuel Gompers was a ‘reader’.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:43:26pm

re: #212 HappyWarrior

Not a prob. I should add that listening toe someone else read it is a treat especially with novels or non-fiction that involves a lot of foreign terms. I am a notorious fast reader on my own and I often miss things but audio helps me focus.

Back in the CD days I always bought audio books. My favorite of all time was Into Thin Air.

You should totally get that. I listened to it, probably 10 times! I might go for it again. It is that good.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:43:42pm

re: #214 HappyWarrior

I play quite a bit of games. I don’t have a clue what he’s talking about.

Elliot Rodger was the psycho who shot up Isla Vista, California because teh women wouldn’t go out with him.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:43:59pm

Paulander makes a great Oktoberfest as well.

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danarchy  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:44:16pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

You can get some movies and tv shows on prime. I think prime’s a good deal all in all but I don’t know how much you use Amazon.

There are lots of great things you can get with Prime, the free shipping, some good original series(Trans-parent, Man in the High Castle, Hand of God etc.), the Kindle owners Lending library which let’s you “borrow” a book a month(and since you can get a kindle tablet for under $50 bucks now, no reason not to be a kindle owner), Prime music which gives you access to a pretty large library of streaming music.

The one thing you don’t get is audio books… :(

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:45:00pm

re: #216 Decatur Deb

That’s how the cigarmakers spawned a union movement—Samuel Gompers was a ‘reader’.

HEy every bit helps. It ieasy thugh re: #217 Stanley Sea Toujours

Back in the CD days I always bought audio books. My favorite of all time was Into Thin Air.

You should totally get that. I listened to it, probably 10 times! I might go for it again. It is that good.

That actually sounds like a great idea with teh new movie about Everst due out and my own brother having climbed one f the seven peaks alst winter.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:45:00pm

re: #213 Jenner7

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That’s it, I’m not voting for her!

Seriously, is this what passes for journalism? And wasn’t Trump late a couple times?

I swear there’s low level misogyny. Will get stronger.

She’s prepared.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:45:22pm

re: #218 Timothy Watson

Elliot Rodger was the psycho who shot up Isla Vista, California because teh women wouldn’t go out with him.

No I meant the games. I remember Elliot.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:45:31pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

I actually see him as akin to a Russian oligarch.

Too nekultur’niy.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:45:52pm

re: #220 danarchy

There are lots of great things you can get with Prime, the free shipping, some good original series(Trans-parent, Man in the High Castle, Hand of God etc.), the Kindle owners Lending library which let’s you “borrow” a book a month(and since you can get a kindle tablet for under $50 bucks now, no reason not to be a kindle owner), Prime music which gives you access to a pretty large library of streaming music.

The one thing you don’t get is audio books… :(

I had ofrgotten about the original series.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:46:27pm

re: #220 danarchy

:( definitely.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:48:06pm

re: #221 HappyWarrior

HEy every bit helps. It ieasy thugh

That actually sounds like a great idea with teh new movie about Everst due out and my own brother having climbed one f the seven peaks alst winter.

You will LOVE it. It is really quality writing/reading by Jon Krakauer. Pls report back.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:48:23pm

Having bar hopped my way through today’s Atlantic coast storm earlier today, I prefer to think of it as The Great Annoyance of 2015.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:49:44pm

re: #223 HappyWarrior

No I meant the games. I remember Elliot.

Ah, not sure, his manifesto is 140 pages long. I rather stab myself with a rusty nail than read that much drivel.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:51:03pm

My greatest beer score? ~15 years ago a local liquor store changed owners and so I went into the new store. There, stacked in the front of the register, were 3 cases of Belgian Kriek Lambic (12 1 ltr bottles/case). A special sign tagged above offered them for 1.99 a bottle. They normally go for 10-12 apiece. I quickly bought every one and skedaddled out of the store like a fox leaving a hen house. I was happy.

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calochortus  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:51:46pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

Perhaps one of the manly men here could tell me exactly what is wrong with “feminizing our culture?” Seems to me we are more prosperous, safer and just generally better off when there isn’t some guy terrorizing the neighborhood with his manly violence.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:53:27pm

re: #227 Stanley Sea Toujours

You will LOVE it. It is really quality writing/reading by Jon Krakauer. Pls report back.

I will. I’ll get it when I finish up the Kershaw Hitler bio.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:54:12pm

re: #197 De Kolta Chair

The lights of my native land are glowing
I wonder if they’ll know me next time ‘round
I wonder if that old oak tree’s still standing
That old oak tree, the one we used to climb

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Video

Yup, I’m in a Bob state of mind

i never knew bob dylan was a rediscovered black country blues swing performer from the 1930s

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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:54:33pm

A show on Prime I like is Mozart in the Jungle. Only one season but a new one is coming soon.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:55:22pm

re: #229 Timothy Watson

Ah, not sure, his manifesto is 140 pages long. I rather stab myself with a rusty nail than read that much drivel.

I actually read it. He was on the spectrum just like I am. I don’t recommend reading it at all. Just a load of sexist bullshit and hatred at women for not treating him like a God.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:56:05pm

re: #230 Amory Blaine

My greatest beer score? ~15 years ago a local liquor store changed owners and so I went into the new store. There, stacked in the front of the register, were 3 cases of Belgian Kriek Lambic (12 1 ltr bottles/case). A special sign tagged above offered them for 1.99 a bottle. They normally go for 10-12 apiece. I quickly bought every one and skedaddled out of the store like a fox leaving a hen house. I was happy.

Oh nice dude. I want to go Belgium or the beers alone.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:56:12pm

I was up on Black Mountain
The day Detroit fell
They killed ‘em all off
And they sent ‘em to hell

Ding dong daddy
You’re coming up short
Gonna put you on trial
In a Sicilian court

— Dob Bylan, “Early Roman Kings”

Jack Kirby
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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:56:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:56:46pm

re: #231 calochortus

Perhaps one of the manly men here could tell me exactly what is wrong with “feminizing our culture?” Seems to me we are more prosperous, safer and just generally better off when there isn’t some guy terrorizing the neighborhood with his manly violence.

I wish I could but I am waht CCJ and Milo would call a “Beta” since I am okay with acknowledging women are my equal.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:57:12pm

re: #232 HappyWarrior

I will. I’ll get it when I finish up the Kershaw Hitler bio.

Is that the two volumes, Hubris: 1889-1936 and Nemesis: 1936-1945, or the condensed single-volume version? I read the two volumes 13 or 14 years ago, but I’ve forgotten so much I feel like rereading them.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:57:27pm

re: #238 Charles Johnson

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Milo is drunk I see.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 6:58:34pm

re: #240 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Is that the two volumes, Hubris: 1889-1936 and Nemesis: 1936-1945, or the condensed single-volume version? I read the two volumes 13 or 14 years ago, but I’ve forgotten so much I feel like rereading them.

The condensed. It’s a fascinating read really. I am at where Hitler got releaesd from Landsburg. Man the interwar German judiciary went out of its way to go easy on guys like that.

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calochortus  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:00:49pm

re: #239 HappyWarrior

I wish I could but I am waht CCJ and Milo would call a “Beta” since I am okay with acknowledging women are my equal.

Which means you’re head and shoulders above them, which makes them what? Gammas? Epsilons? Idiots? Yes, that would be it.

Now if guys want to go off in the corner and have a couple beers and tell dirty jokes without women around now and then, hey, knock yourselves out-just don’t allow business to be conducted or anything of that nature while you’re shutting others out.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:02:52pm

re: #243 calochortus

Which means you’re head and shoulders above them, which makes them what? Gammas? Epsilons? Idiots? Yes, that would be it.

Now if guys want to go off in the corner and have a couple beers and tell dirty jokes without women around now and then, hey, knock yourselves out-just don’t allow business to be conducted or anything of that nature while you’re shutting others out.

Fuckheads. I think a lot of guys honestly are threatened by women.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:04:45pm

re: #238 Charles Johnson

What does he by you don’t own your name anymore? Is that a reference to CCJ?

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:05:01pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:05:03pm

re: #245 Eclectic Cyborg

What does he by you don’t own your name anymore? Is that a reference to CCJ?

Yeah.

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calochortus  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:06:19pm

re: #244 HappyWarrior

Fuckheads. I think a lot of guys honestly are threatened by women.

OK. Fuckheads seems reasonable. Men and women often have serious issues with each other, which can make some sense in a primitive society (differing reproductive imperatives being what they are) but I like to think that in an ordered, relatively safe society that we’re freed up to relax and enjoy each other’s company.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:06:56pm

The equal pay is one I really don’t get eespecially among married men. Uh guys your wife making equal pay to you for the same work means more income for you guys. That’s ya know a good thing. Really the very word “feminist” I see make people fly into a frenzy.The word feminist to some thanks to assholes like Limbaugh may as well be Nazi or klansman

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:08:37pm

re: #248 calochortus

OK. Fuckheads seems reasonable. Men and women often have serious issues with each other, which can make some sense in a primitive society (differing reproductive imperatives being what they are) but I like to think that in an ordered, relatively safe society that we’re freed up to relax and enjoy each other’s company.

I think it’s easier if we just realized we’re all just our father’s X or Y chromosome from being the other sex. Me having that Y does not mean you are inferior to me.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:09:23pm
Goblin in 1968

Scanning 1968 photos of a visit to the USAF Museum. Mainly outdoor exhibits as compared to the current time when most of the aircraft are indoors in hangers. Though that does protect the aircraft from weathering.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:10:42pm

re: #251 Feline Fearless Leader

Go, go XF-85 Goblin!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:11:07pm

re: #176 teleskiguy

OK, I concede that this Daily Show clip is quite funny and true to the show’s ethos.

Trump: America’s African President.

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Well played. The little of Xhosa language at the end was cool — something you’d never hear outside of South Africa.

[I’m assuming it was Xhosa, because that’s his mom’s heritage. But WIkipedia says Noah speaks Zulu and Sotho as well, and all three have those clicks.]

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:11:26pm

Oh - the aircraft pictured is a prototype jet fighter that was intended to be carried by the B-36 as a “parasite fighter” that it could deploy for defense since at the time jets had very limited range and thus traditional escort fighters could not be expected to be available.

en.wikipedia.org

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:11:31pm

re: #251 Feline Fearless Leader

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Scanning 1968 photos of a visit to the USAF Museum. Mainly outdoor exhibits as compared to the current time when most of the aircraft are indoors in hangers. Though that does protect the aircraft from weathering.

Jeez—have you seen the footage of them trying to launch and recover that thing? What an abortion! And once released I’m sure it was just the thing to take on a MiG 19 in a dogfight. Some of the ideas people came up with in those days!

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calochortus  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:11:50pm

re: #249 HappyWarrior

Money is power. Status derives from money (and other things.) A man whose wife out-earns him loses some of his power in a traditional sense.
Now, if you have a good marriage and a practical outlook, more family money is going to be a good thing, but abusive men in particular use money to keep their wife or girlfriend from leaving.
I recall hearing an interview with a counselor who spent a lot of time helping women understand that they’d actually be better off financially without their abusive guy.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:12:22pm

I have a hard time with some other guys on the spectrum since many of them are obsessed with this wrong idea that women have it “easier” than me when it comes to dating. Does it bother me a little as an introvert that societal constructs say I should initiate? Sure, I won’t lie, it does but I also know as a guy, I am under much less pressure to maintain my looks. I can be a little heavy and I won’t be judged harshly. I can go a week without shaving and not really feel judged.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:12:47pm

re: #256 calochortus

Money is power. Status derives from money (and other things.) A man whose wife out-earns him loses some of his power in a traditional sense.
Now, if you have a good marriage and a practical outlook, more family money is going to be a good thing, but abusive men in particular use money to keep their wife or girlfriend from leaving.
I recall hearing an interview with a counselor who spent a lot of time helping women understand that they’d actually be better off financially without their abusive guy.

Very good point.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:13:16pm

re: #251 Feline Fearless Leader

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Scanning 1968 photos of a visit to the USAF Museum. Mainly outdoor exhibits as compared to the current time when most of the aircraft are indoors in hangers. Though that does protect the aircraft from weathering.

Is that the air museum in Tucson? I went to high school with the founder’s son. Nice people.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:14:34pm

re: #255 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Jeez—have you seen the footage of them trying to launch and recover that thing? What an abortion! And once released I’m sure it was just the thing to take on a MiG 19 in a dogfight. Some of the ideas people came up with in those days!

Technology breakthroughs, especially in military equipment, often result in a sudden explosion of odd prototypes and ideas to exploit the new development area. Especially notable in aircraft, but you can also see it here and there in naval ship development and even armored vehicles.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:15:14pm
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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:15:31pm

re: #259 De Kolta Chair

Is that the air museum in Tucson? I went to high school with the founder’s son. Nice people.

Wright-Patterson near Dayton, Ohio. I think I’ve been there four times starting with that initial visit in 1968. Most recent visit was last year.

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calochortus  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:15:43pm

re: #250 HappyWarrior

Yes, but men have a biological incentive to father a bunch of children wherever they can, perhaps investing in raising a few of them. Women on the other hand have a much more limited reproductive capacity and have to choose the father(s) carefully. On the other hand, women do know for a fact they are a given child’s parent. Men, not so much.

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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:15:52pm

re: #154 Skip Intro

As I recall, I hated Ovaltine. I was a Nestles’ Quick man.

We had Bosco in Philly when I was a kid. I’m a Hershey’s guy now, though.

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A Cranky One  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:17:57pm

re: #251 Feline Fearless Leader

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Scanning 1968 photos of a visit to the USAF Museum. Mainly outdoor exhibits as compared to the current time when most of the aircraft are indoors in hangers. Though that does protect the aircraft from weathering.

Wow, that brings back memories. Grew up in a military family which meant moving a lot. Dad was stationed at Wright-Patterson Air Force base for a couple of years. Got to wander around the museum many times. So many cool planes and at the time you could walk right up and touch them, peer inside and really get a sense of the beasts.

I learned at an early age that some pilots must be totally nuts. Amazing the things they did.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:17:59pm

re: #263 calochortus

Yes, but men have a biological incentive to father a bunch of children wherever they can, perhaps investing in raising a few of them. Women on the other hand have a much more limited reproductive capacity and have to choose the father(s) carefully. On the other hand, women do know for a fact they are a given child’s parent. Men, not so much.

True, I was talking about courtship though. A lot of guys I kow on the spectrum just obsesess over how “easy” women have it in dating and I just think that’s a lot of bs especially since as I said women have a lot more pressures about looks. But we could also agree that both genders face their own unique pressures. You’re right about that biological incentive. Having a niece has actualy made me want to be a father.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:18:26pm
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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:18:37pm

Cutting on a guys name coming from someone named Milo Yiannopoulos is rich.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:19:14pm

re: #268 Amory Blaine

Cutting on a guys name coming from someone named Milo Yiannopoulos is rich.

That never stopped Dick Armney from making fun of Barney Frank’s name and sexuality.

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:19:32pm

My honest opinion is that a Westgate Mall or Mumbai-type massacre will not move the gun control debate needle one iota in the United States. Violence is forever embedded in our culture. Andrew Jackson murdered many people before he was elected president. Our national anthem features bombs and rockets. The Super Bowl is the most watched event on television. There are statues, roads and schools dedicated to Nathan Bedford Forrest of Fort Pillow infamy. It saddens me that in my lifetime there will never be any meaningful gun control legislation passed. I’m a realist, and what I see is a glorification of violence in all facets of our culture. Two centuries of wanton violence and fear is a hard thing to overcome.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:19:42pm

Oooo… found a picture of my father’s car.

Triumph TR3
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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:20:44pm

re: #271 Feline Fearless Leader

Nice. My mom had a Pinto with holes in the floor. :)

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calochortus  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:21:41pm

re: #257 HappyWarrior

I have a hard time with some other guys on the spectrum since many of them are obsessed with this wrong idea that women have it “easier” than me when it comes to dating. Does it bother me a little as an introvert that societal constructs say I should initiate? Sure, I won’t lie, it does but I also know as a guy, I am under much less pressure to maintain my looks. I can be a little heavy and I won’t be judged harshly. I can go a week without shaving and not really feel judged.

I’m sure it is more difficult for you, but I think the best way to develop a relationship is to find someone with similar interests-a friend-and then see if it develops into something else. Kind of a win-win, and no one really has to do a lot of initiating.
I met my husband in grad school and was a strictly platonic friend for a couple months before I chanced to look over at him at a party one evening and the scales fell from my eyes (as it were. One of the stranger experiences of my life, but a very good one. Love at 154th sight or something.)

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:21:48pm

re: #272 Amory Blaine

Nice. My mom had a Pinto with holes in the floor. :)

Once we needed a second “serious” car for stuff the TR3 went away to be replaced by an Opel.

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calochortus  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:22:29pm

re: #266 HappyWarrior

True, I was talking about courtship though. A lot of guys I kow on the spectrum just obsesess over how “easy” women have it in dating and I just think that’s a lot of bs especially since as I said women have a lot more pressures about looks. But we could also agree that both genders face their own unique pressures. You’re right about that biological incentive. Having a niece has actualy made me want to be a father.

Sitting around waiting to be asked is also not all it is cracked up to be.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:22:47pm

re: #273 calochortus

I met mr. klys playing an MMO.

There’s ways to be an introvert and still meet people. :)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:23:37pm

re: #273 calochortus

I’m sure it is more difficult for you, but I think the best way to develop a relationship is to find someone with similar interests-a friend-and then see if it develops into something else. Kind of a win-win, and no one really has to do a lot of initiating.
I met my husband in grad school and was a strictly platonic friend for a couple months before I chanced to look over at him at a party one evening and the scales fell from my eyes (as it were. One of the stranger experiences of my life, but a very good one. Love at 154th sight or something.)

I look at every day as a chance to get better at social interaction. It’s not always easy but I try.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:23:58pm

re: #275 calochortus

Sitting around waiting to be asked is also not all it is cracked up to be.

Yeah I thikn a lot of these guys have grass is greener syndrome.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:24:53pm

The Fifties were notable for harebrained schemes involving aircraft.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:25:24pm
Nice wheels, but a big young to be picking up chicks yet
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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:25:50pm

re: #276 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I met mr. klys playing an MMO.

There’s ways to be an introvert and still meet people. :)

Yep. It does help that I like to go out and try new things. I have been joking though with the raise in popularity of quote on quote nerdy stuff that I am nerdy in all the wrong stuff. I have very uh specific interests but that’s okay.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:26:01pm

Davis-Monthan Air Force Base, Tucson, Arizona, my teenage playground.

“Rust never sleeps” — Neil Young
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jaunte  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:26:08pm

re: #279 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Looks like the Russian Zveno project:
en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:26:30pm

re: #280 Feline Fearless Leader

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“Hop in baby.” Reminds me of a photo of me as a kid on a neighbor’d parked motorcycle.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:27:14pm

re: #280 Feline Fearless Leader

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Did you put your eyes out, kid?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:27:54pm

Gosh though about introversion. You guys want to know how I was a kid? I had to have my one brother ring my best friend’s door for me. I was also petrified of calling strangers and even friends on the phone. As I said every day’s a journey to get better. I’m a lot better now at 28 then I was at 18 and I expect I’ll be better at 38 than I am right now.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:27:59pm

re: #281 HappyWarrior

Yep. It does help that I like to go out and try new things. I have been joking though with the raise in popularity of quote on quote nerdy stuff that I am nerdy in all the wrong stuff. I have very uh specific interests but that’s okay.

Best way to do it is to just be yourself and pursue those interests. See about going to history lectures, museums, that kind of thing - and when you’re there, you try to meet like one person maybe.

I think women today are also willing to be more assertive if they’re interested. Or at least I was, and I don’t think I’m that uncommon.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:30:06pm

re: #285 Decatur Deb

Did you put your eyes out, kid?

My brother had the BB gun.

(Though he did end up chipping one of my front teeth with a croquet ball.)

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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:30:34pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:30:41pm

re: #287 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Best way to do it is to just be yourself and pursue those interests. See about going to history lectures, museums, that kind of thing - and when you’re there, you try to meet like one person maybe.

I think women today are also willing to be more assertive if they’re interested. Or at least I was, and I don’t think I’m that uncommon.

I actually did get a date a couple years back from a very assertitve women lol. It’s a funny story really. I was coming back from a musical show and I had honestly had maybe a few too many and I was worried about making the last train back home in time so I was starring at my phone nervously. Now I am sort of near sighted so I sort of squint. So I hear “What are you blind?” She immediately apologized and said it was rude but we started talking until we switched trains and she gave me her card and went our separate ways. I did call her on my lunch break the next day and asked if she wanted to meet up for drinks. We did. Never saw her after that but hey it was a date.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:31:54pm

The US South Dakota. My uncle Bob served aboard this venerable tub during WW II.

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A Cranky One  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:33:37pm

re: #279 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The Fifties were notable for harebrained schemes involving aircraft.

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At first glance, it’s absurd. Then I looked at the jets as guided missiles and suddenly it wasn’t so outlandish. Premature maybe.

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WhatEVs  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:34:15pm

re: #176 teleskiguy

OK, I concede that this Daily Show clip is quite funny and true to the show’s ethos.

Trump: America’s African President.

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That was excellent. Noah is killing it, IMHO.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:34:36pm

re: #88 nines09

I sat and wondered why Bush the elder stopped short of going into Iraq. In retrospect, the man had the foresight to know not to. His kid had none. To our misfortune.

Bush Sr. mentioned all the problems that would have come from occupying Iraq in his autobiography.

The chiefest reason though is that doing so would have exceeded the limits set by the UN Security Council order that Bush was acting under. It only authorized kicking Saddam out of Kuwait. It didn’t authorize kicking him out of Iraq.

Bush Sr. was trying to make it so that the UN was a body with the teeth to enforce international law. Saddam had broken that law and needed to be put in his place. Which he was.

His son, and his cohorts, went into Iraq for exactly the opposite reason. They intended to break international law, in fact destroy it, and replace that with Pax Americana.

That must have lead to some interesting conversations at Bush family Christmas dinners.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:34:42pm

re: #283 jaunte

Most aircraft can actually remain aloft with more weight than they can get off the ground. The Brits designed this composite aircraft to take advantage of that. The smaller mail plane was carried aloft and then released.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:36:07pm

re: #291 De Kolta Chair

The US South Dakota. My uncle Bob served aboard this venerable tub during WW II.

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One of the few US BBs completed during the 40’s that didn’t avoid the scrapyard and end up as a museum ship.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:37:28pm
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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:39:15pm

re: #294 Romantic Heretic

That must have lead to some interesting conversations at Bush family Christmas dinners.

They were probably too busy trying to get young GW and JEB! to use the silverware instead of their hands.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:39:18pm

NR is already bitching that the White House hasn’t invited Chris Mintz to the WH. Fuckers never miss an opportunity to make a pathetic dig at the president. I am sorry but was Bush expected to invite every person who did something heroic to the WH? And let’s be honest the shooting only happened a day ago and for all we know an invitation could be forthcoming or he could have extended one and Mr. Mintz could have politely declined since I don’t think he considers himself a hero.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:41:02pm

I think the thing about HW is that he was a pragmatic guy at his core. It’s why he got into trouble with the zealots over taxes. As I got at earlier, I would have never voted for the man but HWB understood policy and I think people in a way his sons do not. I can’t imagine him ever shitting on single mothers the way JEb did.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:41:08pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

Those are their redeeming qualities.

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The War TARDIS  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:42:22pm

Oh, while this was going on, Doctor Who got another Spinoff.

On 1 October 2015, it was announced that a spinoff series titled Class will be filmed in spring 2016 and broadcast later that year on BBC Three and will run for eight 45 minute episodes. It will be written by Patrick Ness.

It will be based around Coal Hill School, where Ian and Barbara taught in the Classic Era, and where Clara and Danny taught in this era.

Clara Oswald is not going to be in the show either. So, not sure who the main characters would be.

Never saw Torchwood, and not sure what to make of it, from the reviews. Elizabeth Sladen died far too young, cutting the Sarah Jane Adventures far too short.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:42:46pm

re: #299 HappyWarrior

When I was in High School I threw myself on a live cheerleader.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:43:52pm

re: #303 Higgs Boson’s Mate

When I was in High School I threw myself on a live cheerleader.

You cray.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:44:35pm

re: #303 Higgs Boson’s Mate

When I was in High School I threw myself on a live cheerleader.

What were you protecting her from?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:45:05pm

re: #305 Feline Fearless Leader

What were you protecting her from?

the competition obviously.

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:45:41pm

re: #302 The War TARDIS

Never saw Torchwood, and not sure what to make of it, from the reviews. Elizabeth Sladen died far too young, cutting the Sarah Jane Adventures far too short.

Torchwood was a more adult-themed spin off. Sex and death, basically. Some good acting from a couple of the supporting cast. I think it sits out there as sort of an outlier among the Dr. Who related universe of entertainment.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:45:59pm

re: #262 Feline Fearless Leader

Wright-Patterson near Dayton, Ohio. I think I’ve been there four times starting with that initial visit in 1968. Most recent visit was last year.

Wow is Wright-Patterson still around? I need to check that out. My sister Nancy was born there during a hellacious snowstorm when we were stationed there for a coupla months in the early sixties. I’ve got a dramatic photo of dad putting the pedal to the metal on their way to the base hospital in a jeep.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:46:27pm

re: #305 Feline Fearless Leader

What were you protecting her from?

My two best buddies.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:46:49pm

re: #309 Higgs Boson’s Mate

My two best buddies.

So I was right.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:47:42pm
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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:48:43pm

Yep. That girl was a prodigy, no doubt about. Only time in my life that I’ve had my tonsils licked.

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:49:05pm

I think “the glove” scenes in Torchwood are among the more disturbing things I’ve seen in a Dr. Who related production.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:49:06pm

re: #311 Charles Johnson

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From what I read, collapse of the golf economy is what’s opening the sacred gates.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:51:07pm

re: #311 Charles Johnson

Translation:

“You made me do that.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:51:40pm

re: #311 Charles Johnson

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I’m sure he also misses the “good old days” when blacks were only allowed to be caddies at these clubs and in some of them, no Jews or Catholics were allowed either.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:51:47pm
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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:54:20pm

re: #314 Decatur Deb

From what I read, and collapse of the golf economy is what’s opening the sacred gates.

How can anyone resist the pulse pounding excitement of golf?

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WhatEVs  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:55:19pm

re: #302 The War TARDIS

Oh, while this was going on, Doctor Who got another Spinoff.

It will be based around Coal Hill School, where Ian and Barbara taught in the Classic Era, and where Clara and Danny taught in this era.

Clara Oswald is not going to be in the show either. So, not sure who the main characters would be.

Never saw Torchwood, and not sure what to make of it, from the reviews. Elizabeth Sladen died far too young, cutting the Sarah Jane Adventures far too short.

Torchwood was an excellent show. We used to watch it all the time. I think I bought some eps through iTunes. Give it a try. You’ll like it.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:55:38pm

re: #318 Higgs Boson’s Mate

How can anyone resist the pulse pounding excitement of golf?

“Golf is a pastime, not a sport.”

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danarchy  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:55:39pm

re: #299 HappyWarrior

NR is already bitching that the White House hasn’t invited Chris Mintz to the WH. Fuckers never miss an opportunity to make a pathetic dig at the president. I am sorry but was Bush expected to invite every person who did something heroic to the WH? And let’s be honest the shooting only happened a day ago and for all we know an invitation could be forthcoming or he could have extended one and Mr. Mintz could have politely declined since I don’t think he considers himself a hero.

Wasn’t he shot 7 times? Somehow I think he has more important things to worry about than a white house visit.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:57:08pm

re: #321 danarchy

Wasn’t he shot 7 times? Somehow I think he has more important things to worry about than a white house visit.

“Dammit, Bo, let go of his IV tubing.”

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:57:44pm

Speaking of Air Force bases, I well recall sitting on my dad’s shoulders when President John F. Kennedy landed at Westover AF base in Springfield, Massachusetts and made a speech, a month before he was assassinated by a loser asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:58:47pm

re: #321 danarchy

Wasn’t he shot 7 times? Somehow I think he has more important things to worry about than a white house visit.

Yeah he was. As I said, just NR being their usual pathetic selves. I am sure Chris’s primary focus right now is recovering from his wounds and spending time with his son. I’m sure he’d be delighted if he got a WH invitation but I doubt he’s the type that will hold a grudge over it either way.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:58:53pm

re: #251 Feline Fearless Leader

“Shaking My Head” at whoever thought that thing was a good idea. It looks like such a mess.

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A Cranky One  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:59:01pm

re: #318 Higgs Boson’s Mate

How can anyone resist the pulse pounding excitement of golf?

My ex-FIL loved to watch golf on his big TVs during family get-togethers.

Watching golf on TV is as exciting as watching grass grow, except there are golfers blocking the view.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:59:11pm

re: #322 Decatur Deb

“Dammit, Bo, let go of his IV tubing.”

I read that in the President’s voice.

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danarchy  Oct 2, 2015 • 7:59:47pm

re: #322 Decatur Deb

“Dammit, Bo, let go of his IV tubing.”

Okay, I literally pictured Tom Wopat telling John Schneider to let go of the IV tubing and had a moment of HUH?! until I remembered Bo the white house dog.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:01:19pm
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Romantic Heretic  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:02:50pm

re: #302 The War TARDIS

Torchwood got very, very disturbing.

The final series entitled Miracle Day creeped me out but good.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:03:07pm

re: #329 Charles Johnson

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But remember we can’t talk about guns. These people man. They’ll do anything to shift away from what the conversation really hsould be about.

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Archangelus  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:03:53pm

re: #319 WhatEVs

Torchwood was an excellent show. We used to watch it all the time. I think I bought some eps through iTunes. Give it a try. You’ll like it.

Some might say that Torchwood is something of an acquired taste, given its more adult-oriented and dark/gritty take on the Doctor Who universe. IMHO, seasons one and two both started okay and gradually got better, the Children of Earth season 3 miniseries was brilliant and Miracle Day (season 4 miniseries) was back to okay.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:04:25pm
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:05:11pm

I was never really hip to the seasons until I started playing golf. Sure I knew it gets cold in winter and the sun’s up later in the summer, but I really got in tune with what turns green when, and the circle that the sun traces when things start to go downs in the sky, and then there is the fall. Also never realized that September has the best weather of the year in the Northeast.
It also seems like it takes until May for the LPGAers to break out the skorts.

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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:07:57pm

re: #307 freetoken

Torchwood was a more adult-themed spin off. Sex and death, basically. Some good acting from a couple of the supporting cast. I think it sits out there as sort of an outlier among the Dr. Who related universe of entertainment.

We enjoyed Torchwood, watched every episode. The cast was very good.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:09:10pm

Golfers can be absolute pigs sometimes. One day I pair up with a lady and her 5 ear old son for a few holes. We got along fine,, she kicked my ass. After they left I caught up with the group in front of us and some guy with a cigar (of course, people seem to smoke cigars on the course) asked me if that (c-word) said anything. He went home. I never got into a fight playing hockey, but three times on the golf course.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:11:09pm

re: #320 Decatur Deb

“Golf is a pastime, not a sport.”

“Anyone guilty of golf should be shot.”

—H. L. Mencken

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:13:12pm

re: #337 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

“Golf is a good walk spoiled
Another thing is that golfers will buy ANYTHING. You should see the crap in magazines and sporting goods stores.

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:13:22pm

This Christian persecution complex that is running wild in conservative circles in the United States pisses me off. It reeks of self-importance and arrogance.

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danarchy  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:15:33pm

re: #335 makeitstop

We enjoyed Torchwood, watched every episode. The cast was very good.

I actually watched all of Torchwood before watching any Doctor Who, I figured there was so much Who history getting into it just seemed pretty daunting. That and Doctor Who fanboys always annoyed me. People always told me you either love Doctor Who or you hate it and I always assumed I would hate it since the few episodes I had caught were meh at best. I have since watched all of the new Who stuff, still can’t bring myself to watch the old school Doctor Who. Turns out I don’t really love it or hate it, it is kind of a middling sort of sci-fi show to me. I know, that makes me some sort of heretic or something.

I liked Torchwood better.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:15:41pm

re: #339 teleskiguy

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This Christian persecution complex that is running wild in conservative circles in the United States pisses me off. It reeks of self-importance and arrogance.

It disgusts me. The idea that Christians are being persecuted in this coutnry is an absolute joke and theocrats like Carson make it worse by outright lying.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:16:30pm

I went to teh driving range once for a friend’s birthday. I honestly was bored.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:17:33pm

re: #339 teleskiguy

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This Christian persecution complex that is running wild in conservative circles in the United States pisses me off. It reeks of self-importance and arrogance.

When I was at the Popefest last weekend we saw the speech he gave at Independence Hall on the Jumbotrons. I was pleased to see that quite a few people shook their heads when the idiot who introduced the Pope griped about the Church being “attacked” for being too conservative or too liberal. Criticism is not “attacking”.

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Mattand  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:19:47pm

Sigh. My sister-in-law is now liking National Review articles on Facebook. As an added bonus, she’s like the barely disguised racist comments from her idiot friends.

The next conversation with my brother should be fun.

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:20:11pm

George Carlin on the game of golf.

George Carlin “Golf”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:20:27pm

re: #343 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

When I was at the Popefest last weekend we saw the speech he gave at Independence Hall on the Jumbotrons. I was pleased to see that quite a few people shook their heads when the idiot who introduced the Pope griped about the Church being “attacked” for being too conservative or too liberal. Criticism is not “attacking”.

Criticism is healthy. The biblical Jesus dealt with far worse things than criticism.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:21:41pm

I would go to the range with my brothers when we were kids and we’d try to hit the cart. It would be decades before I ever played golf for real, but I was such a slicer that I thought if I could just hit the ball hard enough it will come back to me. It was actually pretty awesome The ball would start straight, and then suddenly zoom dead right and it would go farther to the right then it would down the intended line. I don’t do that so much anymore, but I have still lost every golf ball I ever owned. They’re doomed from the moment I get ‘em.

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Mattand  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:22:26pm

re: #299 HappyWarrior

NR is already bitching that the White House hasn’t invited Chris Mintz to the WH. Fuckers never miss an opportunity to make a pathetic dig at the president. I am sorry but was Bush expected to invite every person who did something heroic to the WH? And let’s be honest the shooting only happened a day ago and for all we know an invitation could be forthcoming or he could have extended one and Mr. Mintz could have politely declined since I don’t think he considers himself a hero.

Yeah, that’s the article my SIL liked. Guy has barely stopped bleeding, and the idiots are already using him as an excuse to bash Obama.

I made sure to mention National Review’s tendency to hire white nationalists.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:22:45pm

re: #344 Mattand

Sigh. My sister-in-law is now liking National Review articles on Facebook. As an added bonus, she’s like the barely disguised racist comments from her idiot friends.

The next conversation with my brother should be fun.

That sucks. NR really is the worst because they pretend to be “intellectual” but they’re really as know-nothing as a talk radio host. As I observed earlier, I saw that they’re already concern trolling over the shooting.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:22:54pm

The other strange thing about golf is I read putts better on 2-D tv than I do in 3-d real life.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:22:58pm

One of my long ago co-workers was a dedicated golfer. He always insisted that I’d love the game if I gave it a try. One Saturday I agreed to go with him to a driving range/Par 3 course and give it a try. After hitting a couple of buckets at the range we went and teed off. I really got ahold of that ball but it stayed close to the ground rising slowly. It didn’t raise quite fast enough for one of the moth eaten flamingos hanging out at the water hazard. My ball caught that bird right on the breast bone and it expired without so much as a squawk.
So I gave up golf.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:23:47pm

re: #337 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

“Anyone guilty of golf should be shot.”

—H. L. Mencken

If you happen to be in Baltimore, I recommend a visit to Mencken’s house, just a few blocks from Edgar Allan Poe’s grave site and just down the street from the bar Babe Ruth’s father ran.

“A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.” — H. L. Mencken

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:23:53pm

re: #308 De Kolta Chair

Wow is Wright-Patterson still around? I need to check that out. My sister Nancy was born there during a hellacious snowstorm when we were stationed there for a coupla months in the early sixties. I’ve got a dramatic photo of dad putting the pedal to the metal on their way to the base hospital in a jeep.

Main USAF museum is there. Three *very large* hangers of aircraft including all the big ones (B-17, B-24, B-29, B-36, B-52, B-2). Generally organized by time period.

From a photography viewpoint I don’t like the place. Under and unevenly lit in my opinion which can make good pictures impossible with simpler cameras.* And also many aircraft jammed together in such a way that photo angles are heavily limited.**

* - I took photos with a Coolpix 4-5 years ago that simply did not come out. My Nikon did fine last year however, though I had to touch up all the photos due to their darkness.

** - My pet example was the P-38 Lightning. Only possible picture angle at Wright-Patterson was head-on at the same level as the plane. (see below)

P-38 at Wright-Patterson

Compare to this shot from the Udvar-Hazy Center (Smithsonian Annex out near Dulles Airport.)

P-38 at Udvar-Hazy
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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:23:59pm

re: #340 danarchy

I actually watched all of Torchwood before watching any Doctor Who, I figured there was so much Who history getting into it just seemed pretty daunting. That and Doctor Who fanboys always annoyed me. People always told me you either love Doctor Who or you hate it and I always assumed I would hate it since the few episodes I had caught were meh at best. I have since watched all of the new Who stuff, still can’t bring myself to watch the old school Doctor Who. Turns out I don’t really love it or hate it, it is kind of a middling sort of sci-fi show to me. I know, that makes me some sort of heretic or something.

I liked Torchwood better.

My wife watched the old stuff, I was never too crazy about the older shows. Eccleston was the first Doctor I watched consistently, and I watched during Tennant’s run. Then we stopped watching TV for the most part and now I’ve completely lost track.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:24:09pm

re: #311 Charles Johnson

destroying what made them precious and essential

i guess there are some things i’ll never understand

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:25:05pm

re: #348 Mattand

Yeah, that’s the article my SIL liked. Guy has barely stopped bleeding, and the idiots are already using him as an excuse to bash Obama.

I made sure to mention National Review’s tendency to hire white nationalists.

It s pathetic man. As you say, he’s still in the hosptial and I think he really just wants to be left alone and recover and then be with his son. I am really really fucking sick of conservatives holding Obama to this lame standard. I geuss NRO’s “logic” if oyu can call it that is that Obama invited Ahmed Muhammad. They really are a pathetic publication and I jump on it whenever I ese them linked here but fortunately that’s become lsss frequent.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:26:03pm

re: #352 De Kolta Chair

If you happen to be in Baltimore, I recommend a visit to Mencken’s house, just a few blocks from Edgar Allen Poe’s grave site and just down the street from the bar Babe Ruth’s father ran.

“A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.” — H. L. Mencken

Babe Ruth museum I must add is also a neat trip.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:26:16pm

re: #347 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I would go to the range with my brothers when we were kids and we’d try to hit the cart. It would be decades before I ever played golf for real, but I was such a slicer that I thought if I could just hit the ball hard enough it will come back to me. It was actually pretty awesome The ball would start straight, and then suddenly zoom dead right and it would go farther to the right then it would down the intended line. I don’t do that so much anymore, but I have still lost every golf ball I ever owned. They’re doomed from the moment I get ‘em.

I slice every time except when I line up 45% off the tee, then it goes straight as shit. I call out, “fore” a lot.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:28:04pm

I never understood why you dress like you’re in the office when you golf.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:29:15pm

re: #358 Single-handed sailor

I slice every time except when I line up 45% off the tee, then it goes straight as shit. I call out, “fore” a lot.

A friend of mine had that same problem. Monster slice until he lined up on the tee to compensate for it - and then he would hit it arrow straight.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:29:20pm

re: #357 HappyWarrior

Babe Ruth museum I must add is also a neat trip.

Indeed it is. And the B&O Railroad Museum is pretty cool as well. Lots to see in ol’ Balmo.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:30:41pm

re: #351 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I couple of years ago a pro golfer was trying to shoot a commercial but some bird was screwing up the shot. So he said he would get rid of it. You guessed it - he nailed it on one shot and got no end of flack for it. I don’t push the game on anybody, but I would say that since I play by myself there is no shortage to the kinds of people you get paired up with at random. There was a waitress with a six pack in a cooler and got shots from the beverage cart kid and she drove her cart into a sand trap. There was a guy with one hand who would wrap a strap around the club which was attached to the stump (he was pretty good). Asian guys are pretty fun, but you know they’re talking about you in Asian. A lot of policemen are golfers.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:30:47pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:31:10pm

re: #361 De Kolta Chair

Indeed it is. And the B&O Railroad Museum is pretty cool as well.

Yeah I went there when we stayed in Baltimore once. Railroads are cool.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:31:16pm

re: #359 HappyWarrior

I never understood why you dress like you’re in the office when you golf.

Traditional.

Grilling gear in 1968
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:32:07pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:32:22pm

re: #363 Aunty Entity Dragon

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Pls don’t fed the trolls ;). What a fucking little baby though. 17 people wounded (and killed) and he whines because the media and Dems correctly pointed out he’s an insensitive shithead.

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:34:56pm

The first band I was ever a part of was called The Bev-Cart Robbers. We all worked at the local golf course. We won the high school talent show playing “Smells Like Teen Spirit.”

That’s the happiest memory of golf that I have.

I play disc golf. Same fucking game. Much less taxing on the land.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:36:20pm

I think Jeb doesn’t think before he speaks. He doesn’t have the same butchering of the language that his brother does but perhaps worse is that he’s a plain old insensitive prick who doesn’t like when he’s called out on it. W > Jeb and I mean it.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:36:46pm

re: #359 HappyWarrior

I never understood why you dress like you’re in the office when you golf.

The working guidelines are a collared shirt and anything but denim. It isn’t really very formal. Nobody’s going to send you home unless you really look like a slob. Most golfers consider it a courtesy to have some basic golf clothes.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:36:53pm

re: #368 teleskiguy

The first band I was ever a part of was called The Bev-Cart Robbers. We all worked at the local golf course. We won the high school talent show playing “Smells Like Teen Spirit.”

That’s the happiest memory of golf that I have.

I play disc golf. Same fucking game. Much less taxing on the land.

Frisbee Golf we called that. Ultimate Frisbee was also fun to play. I haven’t played either in years though.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:37:44pm

re: #344 Mattand

Sigh. My sister-in-law is now liking National Review articles on Facebook. As an added bonus, she’s like the barely disguised racist comments from her idiot friends.

The next conversation with my brother should be fun.

This is why I have family on a separate list that I can look at when I want to raise my blood pressure.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:37:45pm

re: #370 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

The working guidelines are a collared shirt and anything but denim. It isn’t really very formal. Nobody’s going to send you home unless you really look like a slob. Most golfers consider it a courtesy to have some basic golf clothes.

Not formal. I’ve always been most comfortable in a t-shirt and jeans I guess.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:39:55pm

re: #372 klys (maker of Silmarils)

This is why I have family on a separate list that I can look at when I want to raise my blood pressure.

I feel for people like you and Matt. I was just noticing earlier how nearly all my family is quite close to where I am ideologically. I mean I’d obviously still love em if we didn’t see eye to eye but having family that is sane politically makes things easier. My aunt’s ex though is super right wing and apparently used to get in some heated debates with my grandfather.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:40:44pm

re: #373 HappyWarrior

I wear shorts exclusively from mid April until around mid October. Except for weddings and/or funerals.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:41:38pm

Jeb and his brother both have that aura of arrogance that comes with being born on third base and thinking that you hit a home run.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:41:48pm

re: #296 Feline Fearless Leader

One of the few US BBs completed during the 40’s that didn’t avoid the scrapyard and end up as a museum ship.

Glad to hear that. It’s an interesting ship with a very interesting history, that’s for sure.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:41:57pm

re: #375 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I wear shorts exclusively from mid April until around mid October. Except for weddings and/or funerals.

I can’t do that. I think I like wearing jeans too much but when I was younger, I wore shorts whenever I could when it was above 60 degrees.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:42:41pm

re: #376 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Jeb and his brother both have that aura of arrogance that comes with being born on third base and thinking that you hit a home run.

That quote was always said about their father but with all respect to the late Molly Ivins, I think he had some humility about him.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:44:38pm

Jeb? may be his own man, but wait til you see he has the usual gang of idiots advising him.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:44:55pm

re: #377 De Kolta Chair

Glad to hear that. It’s an interesting ship with a very interesting history, that’s for sure.

I meant that the South Dakota was scrapped. Of its class only the USS Alabama and USS Massachusetts are still around since the USS Indiana was scrapped as well. All four Iowa-class are still around, as is the USS North Carolina. (The North Carolina’s sister ship the USS Washington was scrapped.)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:46:40pm

re: #380 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Jeb? may be his own man, but wait til you see he has the usual gang of idiots advising him.

He’s got a lot of his brother’s FP team I believe. I think I read Wolfowitz was advising him. Maybe even Bolton too.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:49:11pm

re: #379 HappyWarrior

I agree. One of my employees served in his squadron during WW2. As far as everybody was concerned, Lt. Bush was just some guy from Connecticut. My guy was a turret gunner in an Avenger. Never fired his gun outside of training and testing. He said the worst part about the war was the landing. They flew off of a little carrier, not one of those 800 foot Essex carriers, and putting a airplane on that little deck was terrifying.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:53:53pm

re: #383 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I agree. One of my employees served in his squadron during WW2. As far as everybody was concerned, Lt. Bush was just some guy from Connecticut. My guy was a turret gunner in an Avenger. Never fired his gun outside of training and testing. He said the worst part about the war was the landing. They flew off of a little carrier, not one of those 800 foot Essex carriers, and putting a airplane on that little deck was terrifying.

It does make sense. He seemed willing to take any job from RNC chair to UN ambassador in his rise in politics. I may not agree ideologically with the man on most but I really think HW Bush is a sincerely humble guy and as I said earlier a pragmatist. I read about how he survived in WWII. That alone gives me respect for him as a man.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:56:18pm

re: #382 HappyWarrior

He’s got a lot of his brother’s FP team I believe. I think I read Wolfowitz was advising him. Maybe even Bolton too.

Bush’s campaign released a list of his foreign advisers back in February. Of the 21 names released, 17 had served in his brother’s administration. Wolfowitz was one of them. Bush also told a group of Republican donors that his chief adviser on US-Israeli policy is George W. Bush. I can only believe that JEB! held back Bill Kristol’s name because he wants him for Secretary of Defense.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:57:29pm

re: #233 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i never knew bob dylan was a rediscovered black country blues swing performer from the 1930s

Bobleheads like myself have long known that Dylan likes to play the odd Bing Crosby tune now and then during sound checks.

[Note to Charles: I know you didn’t care for the Sinatra album, but I listened to it again tonight and I think it’s great.]

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:58:06pm

The shame about H is that he wasn’t the same man in 1988 that he was in 1980. I’ve said the same thing about John McCain about 2000-2008). The reason I became a Republican is that they (at the time) were generally more pragmatic while the Democrats of the day (70s - 80s) were screaming ideological harpies. I guess these things go in cycles.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2015 • 8:59:40pm

re: #385 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Bush’s campaign released a list of his foreign advisers back in February. Of the 21 names released, 17 had served in his brother’s administration. Wolfowitz was one of them. Bush also told a group of Republican donors that his chief adviser on US-Israeli policy is George W. Bush. I can only believe that JEB! held back Bill Kristol’s name because he wants him for Secretary of Defense.

That alone is a massive indicator that after eight years of climbing out of a hole the GOP establishment is prepared to simply throw us right back in again without having learned a single lesson.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:02:50pm

The thing about W is that even before the election was proudly ignorant, and said his advisors would take care of things. Problem was that he couldn’t tell good advice from bad advice. I don’t think Jeb? would be any better.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:03:42pm

re: #388 Feline Fearless Leader

It was pretty disheartening. He’s surrounded himself with the same pack of neocons that gave his brother so much disastrous advice. I would bet that we’d be in another war before the midterms.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:08:35pm

re: #390 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I always felt the worst part is that they didn’t care that they were wrong. It’s sort of like Climate Change Deniers who could care less whether climate change was occurring or not.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:08:48pm

re: #390 Higgs Boson’s Mate

It was pretty disheartening. He’s surrounded himself with the same pack of neocons that gave his brother so much disastrous advice. I would bet that we’d be in another war before the midterms.

And he’d be reelected because, Hey—wartime President. Then four years later everybody would have forgotten about the whole thing.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:17:35pm

re: #392 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And he’d be reelected because, Hey—wartime President. Then four years later everybody would have forgotten about the whole thing.

They forget things before they ever know them. They forget, for instance, that Iran has a population of 77 million people and that its military is equipped with first-line gear.


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