Wikileaks Claims Their Supporters Are Behind the Massive DDoS Attack

In revenge for Julian Assange losing his wifi password at the Ecuadoran embassy
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You’re probably aware that the US Internet has been massively disrupted today, with a series of DDoS attacks aimed at Dyn, Inc., one of the largest DNS providers in the country.

DNS is the system that connects domain names with IP addresses; when you type a domain name into your browser’s address line, it uses DNS to associate that name with its unique IP address, enabling you to connect to the site without knowing a string of obscure numbers.

By attacking one of the nation’s largest DNS providers, the hackers have effectively targeted a huge number of websites and made them inaccessible. And this attack reportedly uses notoriously insecure “Internet of Things” devices (like web-enabled refrigerators and baby monitors, for example) in a huge botnet, making this DDoS unprecedentedly gigantic.

I’ve been critical of IoT devices for a long time because they were obviously a disaster waiting to happen, with very little attention paid to the security of devices that were connected to the web. Now the disaster is happening.

And now, Wikileaks is saying this attack is being mounted by their supporters.

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377 comments

1
MsJ  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:30:10pm

Well, that’s sure to endear him to Americans. Especially those who own businesses - or those trying to buy stuff.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:31:23pm

“Mr Assange can’t access Pornhub, and now neither can you! HAHAHAHA!!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:31:51pm

of course Wikileaks would LOVE people to think they are that powerful of a force to be reckoned with…

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freetoken  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:32:45pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

Can we presume that Wikileaks is just being opportunistic in taking credit?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:33:30pm

And by supporters, I assume Wikileaks is referring to Russia.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:33:37pm

supporters = Russia

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:34:01pm

They have obviously not read How to win friends and influence people.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:34:39pm

Presented without comment.

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MsJ  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:35:05pm

Should I say I am shocked now or later?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:35:09pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

dingleberries…

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BlueSpotinAL  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:35:27pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Presented without comment.

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We called them dingleberries in middle school.

edit: 18 seconds! :(

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wrenchwench  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:35:30pm

And the other Steller:

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Dr. Lexus  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:36:15pm

“DDoS attack this morning takes out Reddit, Twitter & Spotify. Work productivity increases by 300%”

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SteelPH  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:38:20pm

“Millions cried out in horror as their torrents stopped working.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:39:57pm

re: #9 MsJ

Should I say I am shocked now or later?

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I guess he has a point. I mean, if we could see ALL the footage Peter Jackson shot, we’d probably realize that Bilbo’s hobbit hole is just a set, and Martin Freeman, though not particularly tall, is well over 3 feet.

Also, Andy Serkis is nowhere near THAT ugly.
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KingKenrod  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:41:33pm

Tim Kaine wins my everlasting admiration and loyalty by revealing he’s a Cornershop fan:

rollingstone.com

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cat-tikvah  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:41:46pm

re: #1 MsJ

That was my first thought. You took the words right out of my mouth.

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MsJ  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:43:23pm

re: #15 Blind Frog Belly White

re: #17 cat-tikvah

And the damned media keeps falling for it. Over and over again. Grrrr.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:43:30pm

So this is a bot that automatically retweets anything posted to the #ProLife tag.

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makeitstop  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:44:26pm

re: #16 KingKenrod

Tim Kaine wins my everlasting admiration and loyalty by revealing he’s a Cornershop fan:

rollingstone.com

Cornershop? I haven’t heard that name in a dog’s age.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:45:50pm

re: #19 The Vicious Babushka

So this is a bot that automatically retweets anything posted to the #ProLife tag.

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barefoot avatar.
needs something kitchen-y to make it even more perfect.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:46:08pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

And by supporters, I assume Wikileaks is referring to Russia.

Yep. It was giving my boss and our engineers fits this morning because clients were being affected. Shortly before 10am I got this:

Just over. Everything was done, including twitter. Crazy. Massive DDoS not normal DDoS.

When I responded wondering if it was the Russians, the reply was:

Yeah, [our best engineer, name redacted] thought it was wikileaks related.

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MsJ  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:46:38pm

re: #19 The Vicious Babushka

Thanks. I just tweeted it again using the hash.

And if someone puts me on a list, I almost always block/unblock them. I do not need to be on most of these lists.

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wrenchwench  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:49:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:49:40pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:51:54pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That Ingraham tweet, and someones response that those are the people Donald Trump has spent his life desperately trying to impress, is what made me realize Trump is Wilson Fisk - right down to idiosyncratic speech.

Fisk, OTOH, has better taste and is very loyal to the woman he loves.

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KingKenrod  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:52:05pm

re: #20 makeitstop

Cornershop? I haven’t heard that name in a dog’s age.

Yup, but they’re still great. Their releases are infrequent and tend to be oddball (non-commercial). They did a release with all guest vocalists, a release with a female Punjabi vocalist, and they did an orchestral remake of their first LP.

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KingKenrod  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:53:44pm

LOL, just saw this. The election is over.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:53:55pm

Wut?

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freetoken  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:54:19pm

Drumpfskindanhangers still at it on Facebook, claiming Hillary can’t be ahead with women, because Facebook has these posts with hundreds of thousands of women writing “Trump” in reply to who they will vote for.

Well, what can I say. I have no doubt that there are millions of Facebookers who are Drumpfskind fans. Somehow the respondents to those threads think they are all that exist.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:57:15pm

re: #30 freetoken

Drumpfskindanhangers still at it on Facebook, claiming Hillary can’t be ahead with women, because Facebook has these posts with hundreds of thousands of women writing “Trump” in reply to who they will vote for.

Well, what can I say. I have no doubt that there are millions of Facebookers who are Drumpfskind fans. Somehow the respondents to those threads think they are all that exist.

Who cares about data? I have these anecdotes! Checkmate, Libtard!

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Stanley Sea  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:58:04pm
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wrenchwench  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:58:18pm
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451_Montag  Oct 21, 2016 • 2:59:21pm

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

dingleberries…

Nah

Hemorroids are the asteroids that orbit Uranus. Thought everyone knew that

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Stanley Sea  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:00:26pm

Twitter appears to be back. I was missing all the photos at one point. they’re back.

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bratwurst  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:01:02pm
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CuriousLurker  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:02:00pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

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No Depression  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:02:01pm

So I just listened to “World Leader Pretend” by R.E.M. and realized how perfectly it describes what’s going on with Trump. And sure enough:

R.E.M. Releases Song for the Election: ‘World Leader Pretend’ Burns Trump Hard

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:02:41pm

re: #30 freetoken

Drumpfskindanhangers still at it on Facebook, claiming Hillary can’t be ahead with women, because Facebook has these posts with hundreds of thousands of women writing “Trump” in reply to who they will vote for.

Well, what can I say. I have no doubt that there are millions of Facebookers who are Drumpfskind fans. Somehow the respondents to those threads think they are all that exist.

well, today’s troll informed us that FB is the last bastion of truth in presidential polls…

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:02:58pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Presented without comment.

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Looks like a job for Preparation A (shrinks asteroids).

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freetoken  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:03:07pm

Half of Republicans would reject election result if Clinton wins: Reuters/Ipsos

Donald Trump has repeatedly called this year’s presidential election rigged and has coyly said “I will keep you in suspense” on whether he would accept a Hillary Clinton victory, but many Republicans are less circumspect, according to a new poll.

Only half of Republicans would accept Clinton, the Democratic nominee, as their president. And if she wins, nearly 70 percent said it would be because of illegal voting or vote rigging, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Friday.

[…]

This is really no surprise. This is the birther contingent, those who tried to make Obama an illegitimate President.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:04:52pm

re: #41 freetoken

Half of Republicans would reject election result if Clinton wins: Reuters/Ipsos

This is really no surprise. This is the birther contingent, those who tried to make Obama an illegitimate President.

They say that now, but if he gets crushed nationwide, this becomes just grumbling.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:05:19pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:07:02pm

If Hillary is clever enough to secretly manipulate all reputable polling organizations, and seamlessly subvert the electoral process to somehow get 10 million+ illegal votes into the system, she is the smartest person in the world and therefore exactly what we need in the White House.

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freetoken  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:08:18pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

But Drumpfksind is surging… according to his supporters.

Anyway, the Reuters poll mentioned above does show him a big jump towards Hillary:

polling.reuters.com

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freetoken  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:10:16pm

This one shows an even tighter gap:

polling.reuters.com

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Dr. Lexus  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:10:53pm

Playing with the new FireTV stick. UI is quite a bit peppier than the previous stick. Plex is streaming much nicer too. It integrates with Alexa pretty well, lthough voice transport controls only seem to work with Prime videos. Hopefully they can add support for other apps. Definitely worth 40 dollars if you want to stream stuff.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:11:27pm

Getting the memory cards ready for two weeks in Japan and decided to process one of the photos from Drakesbad. It just screamed to be done in black and white.

Devil’s Kitchen, Lassen National Park

(Forecast and tides are currently good for our trip to Miyajima on Monday. Hoping for a spectacular sunset.)

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dangerman  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:12:34pm

re: #41 freetoken

Only half of Republicans would accept Clinton, the Democratic nominee, as their president. And if she wins, nearly 70 percent said it would be because of illegal voting or vote rigging, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released on

the second part is just nutty conspiracy thinking

the first part is the real problem in government right here. and its not a two way street / both sides do it.

they have rejected the vigorous clash of value systems, each of which is in some way valid; a competition between basically well-intentioned people who see the world differently

these people believe that if you dont agree with them that you do not have the legitimate right to govern. with righteous indignation they believe only “the democrat party” is and only can be capable of behaving despicably

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CuriousLurker  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:13:43pm

ICYMI:

Also this:

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dangerman  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:14:55pm

re: #44 Shiplord Kirel

If Hillary is clever enough to secretly manipulate all reputable polling organizations, and seamlessly subvert the electoral process to somehow get 10 million+ illegal votes into the system, she is the smartest person in the world and therefore exactly what we need in the White House.

dont forget she also got to the fbi, attorney general, irs, witnesses, etc, etc and has been able to keep them all quiet!

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freetoken  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:16:24pm

re: #49 dangerman

It’s birtherism Mk II.

Now it won’t be the “long form”, but instead the “missing emails” which is the disqualifier.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:16:51pm

re: #51 dangerman

dont forget she also got to the fbi, attorney general, irs, witnesses, etc, etc and has been able to keep them all quiet!

OMG!! EVERYONE’S IN ON IT! MAYBE EVEN YOU!!!!!

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dangerman  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:16:52pm

re: #47 Dr. Lexus

Playing with the new FireTV stick. UI is quite a bit peppier than the previous stick. Plex is streaming much nicer too. It integrates with Alexa pretty well, lthough voice transport controls only seem to work with Prime videos. Hopefully they can add support for other apps. Definitely worth 40 dollars if you want to stream stuff.

we just went roku and are about to cut the uverse cord. i’m loving plex and tunein

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Jay C  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:18:08pm

re: #42 Blind Frog Belly White

They say that now, but if he gets crushed nationwide, this becomes just grumbling.

Yeah, but how many of those “grumblers” are going to be in Congress?
Or imagine that their political futures will depend on placating/pandering to that segment of the electorate convinced that President Hillary Clinton’s Administration is somehow “illegitimate”?

Minority as these assclowns might be, stuff like this is NOT positive news for the future….

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:18:25pm

re: #9 MsJ

Should I say I am shocked now or later?

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He really needs to get arrested for this shit. He’s costing people their livelihoods with this crap.

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freetoken  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:19:24pm

To understand this election I present two polls:

polling.reuters.com

polling.reuters.com

In which we see very low likeability scores.

This election is all about hating the other candidate so strongly that our system is retching from bile. Probably more so than anytime in my adult life. One would have to go way back in American history to find this much hatred for candidates.

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MsJ  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:21:08pm

re: #57 freetoken

To understand this election I present two polls:

polling.reuters.com

polling.reuters.com

In which we see very low likeability scores.

This election is all about hating the other candidate so strongly that our system is retching from bile. Probably more so than anytime in my adult life. One would have to go way back in American history to find this much hatred for candidates.

I am not going to say Hillary is perfect, no one is, but people hate her for bullshit…for lies that have been told about her for decades. I find it completely infuriating because no one deserves that.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:21:39pm

re: #41 freetoken

Half of Republicans would reject election result if Clinton wins: Reuters/Ipsos

This is really no surprise. This is the birther contingent, those who tried to make Obama an illegitimate President.

And the GOP is going to pander to these people when Trump loses because if they don’t, they’ll get primaried.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:22:19pm

This is a little bit click baitish, but not obnoxiously so and the pictures truly are amazing. The B-17 has a well-deserved reputation for damage resistance. This is a matter of some importance to combat aviators and accounts for the aircraft’s iconic status.
20 Images of Damaged B-17 Bombers That Miraculously Made It Home

The “Belle of Liberty” Lockheed/Vega B-17G-15-VE s/n 42-97479 327th BS, 92nd BG, US 8th AF. Damaged on the 6th of March 1944 mission to bomb the ball-bearing plant at Erkner, in the outskirts of Berlin. This aircraft was repaired and went back into service.

B-17G 43-38172 of the 8th AF 398th BG 601st BS which was damaged on a bombing mission over Cologne, Germany, on 15 October 1944; the bombardier was killed.

6th November 1944, B17G Rackheath - Close-up view showing the enormous hole from the flak-damaged B17 of the 91st BG that returned safely to Rackheath.

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dangerman  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:22:51pm

re: #52 freetoken

It’s birtherism Mk II.

Now it won’t be the “long form”, but instead the “missing emails” which is the disqualifier.

that’s part of it, sure.
the absolute intransigence in the senate and house cant all be blamed on that. government shutdowns, not confirming judges and other appointees, basically not doing anything at all.

birtherism, emails whatever are the excuse they use. the dilemma is they cant abide any possible progress or democratic success.

if it’s no compromises, all or nothing, thats saying the other (democratic) side is not legitimate.

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dangerman  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:23:19pm

re: #53 Blind Frog Belly White

OMG!! EVERYONE’S IN ON IT! MAYBE EVEN YOU!!!!!

im not allowed to say

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dangerman  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:25:34pm

re: #57 freetoken

To understand this election I present two polls:

polling.reuters.com

polling.reuters.com

In which we see very low likeability scores.

This election is all about hating the other candidate so strongly that our system is retching from bile. Probably more so than anytime in my adult life. One would have to go way back in American history to find this much hatred for candidates.

their respective ‘hatreds’ comes from two different places and are quite objectively based on different things.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:31:26pm

I suspect that Hillary will actually find things a bit easier than Obama has, at least in part because she’s more pragmatic.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:33:07pm

re: #64 Blind Frog Belly White

I suspect that Hillary will actually find things a bit easier than Obama has, at least in part because she’s more pragmatic.

She won’t be as idealistic as he was his first two years in office. I love Obama but he was understandably a little idealistic those first two years or so. He really thought the GOP would operate in good faith and respect the results of the election.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:34:25pm
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Wozza Matter?  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:35:15pm

Just veering back to #AlSmithDinner for a moment -

Trumps performance versus Obama’s two performances. It’s the difference between arrogance and supreme self confidence. Thin skinned Trump completely unable to make a joke about himself - his ‘self-deprecation’ was about his wife versus ‘No Drama Obama’ who can make fun of himself comfortably and endlessly.

Even watch Mitt Romney who gave a completely self aware performance of a patrician North-Easterner without much ego involved at all.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:35:30pm

Also I wonder how many tech execs are shitting their pants tonight over this DDoS attack?

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:36:39pm

And it looks like reality, having abandoned the 2x4 it was using and moving to a large lead pipe has finally managed to get into Trumps head….

FLETCHER, N.C. — As he took the stage here in this mountain town Friday afternoon, Donald Trump was as subdued as the modest crowd that turned out to see him. He complained about the usual things — the dishonest media, his “corrupt” rival Hillary Clinton — but his voice was hoarse and his heart didn’t seem in it.

He also promised to do all that he could to win, but explained why he might lose.

“What a waste of time if we don’t pull this off,” Trump said. “You know, these guys have said: ‘It doesn’t matter if you win or lose, there’s never been a movement like this in the history of this country.’ I say: It matters to me if we win or lose. So, I’ll have over $100 million of my own money in this campaign.”

“So, if I lose,” Trump continued, as the crowd remained unusually quiet. “If I lose, I will consider this. . .”

Trump didn’t finish his sentence, but he didn’t really need to. After weeks of controversy and declining poll numbers, Trump and his campaign have settled into a dark funk. Even as he vows to prevail in the race, the GOP nominee’s mood has soured with less than three weeks to go until Election Day.

read more at washingtonpost.com

Yea Donald, that’s a great GOTV message.

RBS

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gocart mozart  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:38:00pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:38:56pm

re: #68 Eclectic Cyborg

Also I wonder how many tech execs are shitting their pants tonight over this DDoS attack?

I recall not long ago seeing an ad for a ‘fridge that had a camera inside it so you could see what was in it from the store. At the time I believe my exact thought was “Yea, useless and a point of weakness”. Really, who in hell needs to see what’s inside the fridge. (Hiding the 3 jars of Kosher Dill Pickles in mine from the rest of the lizards)

RBS

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:39:02pm

re: #70 gocart mozart

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My back’s hurting. Better not see one of those “elite” doctors and go instead to a non career doctor!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:39:28pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

She won’t be as idealistic as he was his first two years in office. I love Obama but he was understandably a little idealistic those first two years or so. He really thought the GOP would operate in good faith and respect the results of the election.

The other thing is, she spent her 8 years in the Senate reaching out to and working with people who voted to convict her husband and remove him from office and who commissioned investigation after investigation of her. She’d work with anyone, just to get shit done. Remember when, after the bitterness of the primary fight, many of us wanted her to shut Bernie out of the Platform, etc. That was her prerogative But she didn’t take it.

Obama is different. Like her, he’s also the Smartest Kid In The Room, but ha can be a little overbearing with it. When he went to the House Republican Caucus, and lectured them on how everything they believe in is wrong, he was ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, but it didn’t do him any good.

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Kilroy was here  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:39:40pm

re: #64 Blind Frog Belly White

I suspect that Hillary will actually find things a bit easier than Obama has, at least in part because she’s more pragmatic.

She will be to busy deflecting House investigations from that weeks “crime”.
This throws red meat to the base and they don’t have to really do anything. Special prosecutor will be assigned with a wide mandate. Remember Ken Star?

I really hope I’m wrong but… history.

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wrenchwench  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:40:10pm

From the source’s source, the Boston Globe:

[…]

Some Republicans dismissed the notion that Democratic-leaning Hispanics will become a significant enough force to tip the balance to Clinton.

“Nah,” former Arizona governor Jan Brewer said in an interview. “They don’t get out and vote.”

[…]

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bratwurst  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:40:31pm
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thedopefishlives  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:42:31pm

re: #76 bratwurst

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My DNS is bigger than your DNS.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:43:36pm

Help we don’t need.
Trump-Hater Smears Peanut Butter on 30 Cars She Mistakenly Thought Belonged to His Supporters

Wisconsinite Christina Ferguson was arrested this week for accidentally (sic) smearing peanut butter on the windshields of 30 cars parked outside a meeting of a local environmental group. She thought the cars belonged to Donald Trump supporters.

Ferguson first made her presence known by walking into the meeting and yelling about Trump while holding a “family-size jar of low-sodium, creamy natural Jif,” according to the police report. After she was booted from the building, Ferguson went to the parking lot to do her damage. The police were called, and Ferguson denied everything, but she was eventually outed by the peanut butter on her hands, which she continually licked while speaking to police.

An ardent Hillary Clinton supporter, Ferguson explained her attack with remarkable clarity, especially given the .218 she blew on a Breathalyzer

This is the peanut butter terrorist herself:

No, butter-nutter, we are laughing AT you, not WITH you.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:43:55pm

re: #71 Reality Based Steve

I recall not long ago seeing an ad for a ‘fridge that had a camera inside it so you could see what was in it from the store. At the time I believe my exact thought was “Yea, useless and a point of weakness”. Really, who in hell needs to see what’s inside the fridge. (Hiding the 3 jars of Kosher Dill Pickles in mine from the rest of the lizards)

RBS

At least we’d now know definitvely whether the light stays on when you shut the door.

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MsJ  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:44:27pm

Damn, I didn’t realize that there was a drought in the north east. Water shortages in several states.

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freetoken  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:45:49pm

re: #75 wrenchwench

Well, consider me a wet blanket, but these sort of click-bait titles like that are just, well, no more than that.

AZ was already starting to tilt. It’s mostly demographics. First time I went through Yuma was at least 30 years ago. Since then it has grown tremendously, and not with the Drumpfskind voter types. Same with the other corner of the state, around Tucson. While around Phoenix, especially the suburbs, there are many wingnuts, but their numbers just haven’t grown as much.

AZ is turning for sure. Perhaps if this year Kasich/Rubio was the GOP ticket then it would have been an easy pickup for the Republicans. But it is turning and changing. It’s not just retirement-ville for white mid-westerners anymore.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:45:54pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

She won’t be as idealistic as he was his first two years in office. I love Obama but he was understandably a little idealistic those first two years or so. He really thought the GOP would operate in good faith and respect the results of the election.

This. She’s been around D.C. long enough (and is well connected enough) to know a LOT about who has skeletons in their closet. She also knows how to negotiate and strike a bargain. She’ll be formidable and I’m sure that terrifies the GOP. Also, they’ve already lost most people of color, and if they try to savage her they’ll also lose (more) women.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:46:32pm

re: #73 Blind Frog Belly White

The other thing is, she spent her 8 years in the Senate reaching out to and working with people who voted to convict her husband and remove him from office and who commissioned investigation after investigation of her. She’d work with anyone, just to get shit done. Remember when, after the bitterness of the primary fight, many of us wanted her to shut Bernie out of the Platform, etc. That was her prerogative But she didn’t take it.

Obama is different. Like her, he’s also the Smartest Kid In The Room, but ha can be a little overbearing with it. When he went to the House Republican Caucus, and lectured them on how everything they believe in is wrong, he was ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, but it didn’t do him any good.

A good point as well. Good point about Bernie.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:47:14pm

re: #78 Shiplord Kirel

Help we don’t need.
Trump-Hater Smears Peanut Butter on 30 Cars She Mistakenly Thought Belonged to His Supporters

This is the peanut butter terrorist herself:

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No, butter-nutter, we are laughing AT you, not WITH you.

It’s worth noting, however, that peanut butter is supposed to be THE ONE WEIRD TRICK for getting rid of wax residue from matte black plastic trim, when you apply car wax carelessly.

So maybe she was trying to help?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:48:33pm

re: #78 Shiplord Kirel

Help we don’t need.
Trump-Hater Smears Peanut Butter on 30 Cars She Mistakenly Thought Belonged to His Supporters

This is the peanut butter terrorist herself:

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No, butter-nutter, we are laughing AT you, not WITH you.

Have a feeling I am going to see this story and how this lady is a “typical” Clinton supporter. She’s an idiot and she’s wasting peanut butter that could be used in delicious snacks on Trump supporters cars.

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Varek Raith  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:49:04pm

Whoa, it got chilly real quick.

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freetoken  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:49:35pm

I’ve lived in Scottsdale before. The kind of society around there was not going to be home for me long. I’ve also had relatives retire in AZ. It’s post WWII demographics made it easy for anti-government, anti-progressive Republicans.

But with growth brings all sorts of people and I really believe that AZ is a good example of how the old US politics has to give way to the new.

Texistan also will be transformed. Not just because of Mexicans, but because the growth in population is making the urban areas the dominant political force, and with urbanization comes more progressive views of politics.

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Skip Intro  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:49:41pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:49:53pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

Have a feeling I am going to see this story and how this lady is a “typical” Clinton supporter. She’s an idiot and she’s wasting peanut butter that could be used in delicious snacks on Trump supporters cars.

It’s Jif. Smearing it on cars is arguably a better use than smearing it on bread and eating it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:50:26pm

re: #81 freetoken

Well, consider me a wet blanket, but these sort of click-bait titles like that are just, well, no more than that.

AZ was already starting to tilt. It’s mostly demographics. First time I went through Yuma was at least 30 years ago. Since then it has grown tremendously, and not with the Drumpfskind voter types. Same with the other corner of the state, around Tucson. While around Phoenix, especially the suburbs, there are many wingnuts, but their numbers just haven’t grown as much.

AZ is turning for sure. Perhaps if this year Kasich/Rubio was the GOP ticket then it would have been an easy pickup for the Republicans. But it is turning and changing. It’s not just retirement-ville for white mid-westerners anymore.

I think Arizona is experiencing a lot of the same things Virginia did as it became a more bluer state. It’s becoming better educated and more diverse. Honestly, Virginia’s whites really haven’t really become more DEmocratic in recent years but the state has gone from being like many South states- white and black predominately to white, black but also a lot of Hispanics and Asians especially in the more populated areas.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:50:46pm

re: #86 Varek Raith

Whoa, it got chilly real quick.

NOVA in fall buddy.

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gocart mozart  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:51:01pm
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Varek Raith  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:51:24pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

NOVA in fall buddy.

I will never get used to it.
:P

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:51:50pm

re: #93 Varek Raith

I will never get used to it.
:P

Neither will I and I’ve lived here my entire life.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:52:06pm

re: #81 freetoken

Well, consider me a wet blanket, but these sort of click-bait titles like that are just, well, no more than that.

AZ was already starting to tilt. It’s mostly demographics. First time I went through Yuma was at least 30 years ago. Since then it has grown tremendously, and not with the Drumpfskind voter types. Same with the other corner of the state, around Tucson. While around Phoenix, especially the suburbs, there are many wingnuts, but their numbers just haven’t grown as much.

AZ is turning for sure. Perhaps if this year Kasich/Rubio was the GOP ticket then it would have been an easy pickup for the Republicans. But it is turning and changing. It’s not just retirement-ville for white mid-westerners anymore.

What, you don’t believe that Stephen Colbert LITERALLY DESTROYED!!!!! Donald Trump? Or that John Stewart EVISCERATED!!!!! Republicans?
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freetoken  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:52:09pm

re: #86 Varek Raith

86F and very low humidity here. Was going to walk to the store but I think it’s a bit too hot.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:53:13pm

re: #96 freetoken

86F and very low humidity here. Was going to walk to the store but I think it’s a bit too hot.

We’re supposed to have a slight warm spell this weekend. And by that I mean, 60 degrees.

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Jenner7  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:53:55pm

Sigh….

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Mattand  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:55:07pm

re: #96 freetoken

86F and very low humidity here. Was going to walk to the store but I think it’s a bit too hot.

It’s frigging 10 days from Halloween here in South Jersey and I’m running around in shorts in 80° weather. I’ve got the air on in the house.

Shit ain’t right.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:55:16pm

re: #98 Jenner7

The Daily Caller is a right wing scam site isn’t it?

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Jenner7  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:55:52pm

re: #100 Eclectic Cyborg

Yeah, just getting tired of the leaks.

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Mattand  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:56:35pm

re: #100 Eclectic Cyborg

The Daily Caller is a right wing scam site isn’t it?

Yeah, that’s the site Tucker Carlson started.

I remember it as Carlson/Creep/Caller.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:57:34pm

Charles was right , as usual. My boss confirms via Krebs that it was IoT devices:

Hacked Cameras, DVRs Powered Today’s Massive Internet Outage krebsonsecurity.com

A little advice, tweeted by someone in her feed:

By blasting Dyn offline, public DNS providers — such as Google and broadband ISPs — are unable to contact Dyn to lookup hostnames for netizens, preventing people from accessing sites using Dyn for DNS.

OpenDNS is about the only major public DNS provider weathering the storm — if you’re having problems connecting to websites, you should use OpenDNS’s resolvers at 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220. OpenDNS uses smart caching during outages to keep looking up hostnames even if the websites’ backend DNS is flooded off the ‘net. […]

theregister.co.uk

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Wozza Matter?  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:57:36pm

re: #71 Reality Based Steve

I recall not long ago seeing an ad for a ‘fridge that had a camera inside it so you could see what was in it from the store. At the time I believe my exact thought was “Yea, useless and a point of weakness”. Really, who in hell needs to see what’s inside the fridge. (Hiding the 3 jars of Kosher Dill Pickles in mine from the rest of the lizards)

RBS

exipred jar of jalapenos in brine, some blood sausage, some condiments and a fruit smoothie.

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wrenchwench  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:57:39pm

re: #81 freetoken

Well, consider me a wet blanket, but these sort of click-bait titles like that are just, well, no more than that.

A wet blanket in AZ is a good thing (usually).

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freetoken  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:57:41pm

Silver trying to be wonky about uncertainties in the latest podcast:

MP3 Audio

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:57:44pm

The problem with the GOP I really see is they can’t and refuse to adapt to our country’s changes. They want to see every presidential election as Ronald Reagan versus Jimmy Carter but it’s just not like that. The country is in a different place now than it was then. To be honest, as strong as a candidate Reagan was that year, I can’t help but to wonder how Reagan would have done against a Carter not boggled down by the hostage crisis and the economic troubles of the early 80’s. Granted that’s what the situation was but I guess my point is, these guys all want to be Reagan but ignore that Reagan had some stuff going for him as Carter had a lot going against him that year. I also don’t know how well Lee Atwater’s tactics would work in 21st century America.

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dangerman  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:58:36pm

re: #78 Shiplord Kirel

Help we don’t need.
Trump-Hater Smears Peanut Butter on 30 Cars She Mistakenly Thought Belonged to His Supporters

This is the peanut butter terrorist herself:

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No, butter-nutter, we are laughing AT you, not WITH you.

“accidentally” or “incorrectly”?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 3:59:14pm

re: #102 Mattand

Yeah, that’s the site Tucker Carlson started.

I remember it as Carlson/Creep/Caller.

Agh Tucker’s such a creepy dick.

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freetoken  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:00:21pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

That’s nature of “right wing” and “conservative” - the resistance to new things.

“Right wing” like “left wing” are hold-over memes from the French revolution days. I’ve often thought they were not so useful and even counterproductive.

When the anti-Obama backlash bloomed in 2008 and became aligned as the “tea party” the best word for them was atavists, or revanchists in some case.

Now they’re just malevolently dull.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:00:41pm

Shit like what happened today is why I have never purchased a smart TV. I do own one but I won it as a prize and rarely use it.

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dangerman  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:00:44pm

re: #96 freetoken

86F and very low humidity here. Was going to walk to the store but I think it’s a bit too hot.

two nights ago was the first time the temps dropped below 70 since way back in may.

Sofla.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:01:26pm

re: #89 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s Jif. Smearing it on cars is arguably a better use than smearing it on bread and eating it.

Might even be a good thickener for home-made napalm. I prefer the factory stuff though, smells better.

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dangerman  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:02:49pm

re: #71 Reality Based Steve

I recall not long ago seeing an ad for a ‘fridge that had a camera inside it so you could see what was in it from the store. At the time I believe my exact thought was “Yea, useless and a point of weakness”. Really, who in hell needs to see what’s inside the fridge. (Hiding the 3 jars of Kosher Dill Pickles in mine from the rest of the lizards)

RBS

i want to see inside jeffreyw’s fridge

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Wozza Matter?  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:03:46pm

re: #111 Eclectic Cyborg

Shit like what happened today is why I have never purchased a smart TV. I do own one but I won it as a prize and rarely use it.

Got a smart tv but it’s not connected to anything.
Everything in the house is behind the NAT in the router anyway.
Adding ‘Smart’ as a phrase to anything, you are entirely right, just means it’s something to go wrong.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:05:20pm

And I have also vowed to never buy a self driving car. Fuck that shit.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:05:39pm

re: #69 Reality Based Steve

And it looks like reality, having abandoned the 2x4 it was using and moving to a large lead pipe has finally managed to get into Trumps head….

Yea Donald, that’s a great GOTV message.

RBS

I read this story. It was very interesting, and while I of course am afraid of it being just wish fulfillment, I can’t help remembering what Josh Marshall said about Trump, that he’s a WINNER because he WINS, and his whole ego is built around being a WINNER. But it’s like an over-leveraged business - as long as it’s doing well, it’s doing REALLY WELL, but when it starts doing not-so-well, it starts doing REALLY, REALLY BADLY.

The public polls have been bad for him since forever, with brief stretches of being not so bad, but really, he’s never been in the lead. But he had a few moments that looked like MAYBE he’d turn it around. Imagine - he’d been plugging the ‘Hillary at death’s door’ nonsense for months, and there she was, on camera, fainting!

But now, with 3 debate losses, the Access Hollywood tape coming out, and the subsequent drip…drip…drip of accusers, his internal polling must be awful, because his public polling numbers sure are. He’s insulated himself from this by only doing rallies and no pressers, but surely the probability of losing must be pressing down on him. And because he probably reads everything written about himself, he’s reading that Clinton found his Kryptonite and used it on him, and that he’s just a nasty asshole, and all those women he thought welcomed his kissing and groping are saying how creepy he is.

The polls that used to be his go-to response to any criticism have turned against him, and he never respected the opinions of the people at his rallies, so what is there for him? If he WINS because he’s WINNER who always WINS, then what is he if he LOSES?

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Stanley Sea  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:06:23pm

re: #114 dangerman

i want to see inside jeffreyw’s fridge

Ditto

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dangerman  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:06:47pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

“They want to see every presidential election as Ronald Reagan versus any democrat”

and if they dont win they are content to obstruct and wait until (if) they do win again. then they can do what they want again

“these guys all want to be Reagan…”

i think, just like they use birtherism, emails, etc as the excuse, they use reagan as the excuse / example, but dont really care one way or the other to “be” him. they just use his repackaged memory as a tool to try to win elections.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:08:17pm

re: #113 Shiplord Kirel

Might even be a good thickener for home-made napalm. I prefer the factory stuff though, smells better.

Does it smell like…sniff… Victory?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:10:02pm

re: #119 dangerman

“They want to see every presidential election as Ronald Reagan versus any democrat”

and if they dont win they are content to obstruct and wait until (if) they do win again. then they can do what they want again

“these guys all want to be Reagan…”

i think, just like they use birtherism, emails, etc as the excuse, they use reagan as the excuse / example, but dont really care one way or the other to “be” him. they just use his repackaged memory as a tool to try to win elections.

I actually disagree. I really think they think every Democratic presidential candidate is Carter in some way. I remember Obama being compared to Carter in 2008 by the wingnuts I knew at the time. As for being Reagan, it’s about being successful where Republican candidates have not been since Ronnie left office on a presidential level. Since 1992, they have only won the popular vote once.

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b_sharp  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:14:28pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Presented without comment.

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I know every moon around Myanus.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:14:37pm

re: #104 Wozza Matter?

exipred jar of jalapenos in brine, some blood sausage, some condiments and a fruit smoothie.

Jalapenos expire? What the hell happens to them then?

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Varek Raith  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:17:57pm

re: #122 b_sharp

I know every moon around Myanus.

You’re why we can’t have nice things.

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Wozza Matter?  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:19:41pm

re: #123 Reality Based Steve

i have no idea. at the moment they just sit there…..waiting….silently

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mmmirele  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:19:56pm

David French is a #NeverTrumper who was briefly mentioned earlier this year as a possible challenger to Trump from the conservative side. I’m not a fan of his politics, but nobody, NOBODY deserves the kind of harassment he and his family have been receiving from the Trumpistas.

I thought I’d never say this but the Trumpistas make the Scientologists look like amateurs in their harassment of their “enemies.”

I distinctly remember the first time I saw a picture of my then-seven-year-old daughter’s face in a gas chamber. It was the evening of September 17, 2015. I had just posted a short item to the Corner calling out notorious Trump ally Ann Coulter for aping the white-nationalist language and rhetoric of the so-called alt-right. Within minutes, the tweets came flooding in. My youngest daughter is African American, adopted from Ethiopia, and in alt-right circles that’s an unforgivable sin. It’s called “race-cucking” or “raising the enemy.”

It gets worse from there.

nationalreview.com

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wrenchwench  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:20:23pm

re: #124 Varek Raith

You’re why we Canada can’t have nice things.

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dangerman  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:21:26pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

I actually disagree. I really think they think every Democratic presidential candidate is Carter in some way. I remember Obama being compared to Carter in 2008 by the wingnuts I knew at the time. As for being Reagan, it’s about being successful where Republican candidates have not been since Ronnie left office on a presidential level. Since 1992, they have only won the popular vote once.

fair enough. i think it’s all true. they change what meme theyre using and what it means as the focus shifts from campaign to governing.

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weave  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:22:14pm

WHAT THE HELL LOGIC IS THIS?!?!?!?!

Redstate: Today’s Internet Outages Warn Us That Cruz Is Right And Obama Is Wrong

So …. because one DNS provider was DDOS’ed it’s Obama’s fault for implementing something that hasn’t been implemented yet — but this proves what could happen if it was implemented. So we better leave things just the way they are so this sort of thing can’t happen again like it happened today.

My head hurts.

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gocart mozart  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:24:01pm
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Stanley Sea  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:25:21pm

re: #126 mmmirele

David French is a #NeverTrumper who was briefly mentioned earlier this year as a possible challenger to Trump from the conservative side. I’m not a fan of his politics, but nobody, NOBODY deserves the kind of harassment he and his family have been receiving from the Trumpistas.

I thought I’d never say this but the Trumpistas make the Scientologists look like amateurs in their harassment of their “enemies.”

It gets worse from there.

nationalreview.com

His wife Nancy (sister sarah’s) ghost writer also published a gripping essay today. Find link by googling Nancy French.

They disagree with us on everything, but they are our neighbors & we MUST have compassion & empathy.

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Varek Raith  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:26:41pm

re: #126 mmmirele

David French is a #NeverTrumper who was briefly mentioned earlier this year as a possible challenger to Trump from the conservative side. I’m not a fan of his politics, but nobody, NOBODY deserves the kind of harassment he and his family have been receiving from the Trumpistas.

I thought I’d never say this but the Trumpistas make the Scientologists look like amateurs in their harassment of their “enemies.”

It gets worse from there.

nationalreview.com

WTF.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:27:11pm

Paaaaaaaaaaacking, paaaaaaaaaaacking, everyone’s favorite chore.

I’m taking a musical break right now.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:27:36pm
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jeffreyw  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:27:56pm

re: #114 dangerman

i want to see inside jeffreyw’s fridge

Nothing to see here…

Imgur


…please move along.

Imgur

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:28:13pm

re: #126 mmmirele

David French is a #NeverTrumper who was briefly mentioned earlier this year as a possible challenger to Trump from the conservative side. I’m not a fan of his politics, but nobody, NOBODY deserves the kind of harassment he and his family have been receiving from the Trumpistas.

I thought I’d never say this but the Trumpistas make the Scientologists look like amateurs in their harassment of their “enemies.”

It gets worse from there.

nationalreview.com

He and especially his children don’t deserve that at all. The Trump cult is as Hillary said deplorable and irredeemable.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:29:06pm

I just watched McCain’s 2008 speech at the Al Smith Dinner, and MAN! He was great! I can only imagine Trump watching that, and then his performance, and thinking, “I did so much better than that!”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:29:16pm

re: #135 jeffreyw

Nothing to see here…

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Damn it, I’ve already had dinner.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:29:47pm

re: #126 mmmirele

David French is a #NeverTrumper who was briefly mentioned earlier this year as a possible challenger to Trump from the conservative side. I’m not a fan of his politics, but nobody, NOBODY deserves the kind of harassment he and his family have been receiving from the Trumpistas.

I thought I’d never say this but the Trumpistas make the Scientologists look like amateurs in their harassment of their “enemies.”

It gets worse from there.

nationalreview.com

I agree 100% - no one deserves this kind of treatment. But National Review is very much responsible for creating the climate that led to the rise of Donald Trump and his thuggish followers, and they’ll never accept that responsibility even though it’s biting them on the keester now.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:29:57pm

re: #137 Blind Frog Belly White

I just watched McCain’s 2008 speech at the Al Smith Dinner, and MAN! He was great! I can only imagine Trump watching that, and then his performance, and thinking, “I did so much better than that!”

McCain to his credit can laugh at himself.

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Wozza Matter?  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:30:28pm

re: #137 Blind Frog Belly White

I just watched McCain’s 2008 speech at the Al Smith Dinner, and MAN! He was great! I can only imagine Trump watching that, and then his performance, and thinking, “I did so much better than that!”

Romney did pretty well too. He knew his public image and he owned it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:30:48pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

I agree 100%- no one deserves this kind of treatment. But National Review is very much responsible for creating the climate that led to the rise of Donald Trump and his thuggish followers, and they’ll never accept that responsibility even though it’s biting them on the keester now.

Agree with this as well. NR need some to look at itself in the mirror.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:32:45pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

But National Review is very much responsible for creating the climate that led to the rise of Donald Trump and his thuggish followers, and they’ll never accept that responsibility even though it’s biting them on the keester now.

Racism is okay as long as it high-brow racism like John Derbyshire.

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(Edit for sarc tags.)

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:34:03pm

I’m going to spitball here, but wouldn’t claiming credit be literally the worst thing to do.

First, it is quite easy for us in the Developed World to call Wikileaks a terrorist group. Second, do you think the media is going to listen as much, or take as seriously the leaks from, a group that just did this?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:35:22pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:35:33pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:35:55pm

re: #143 Timothy Watson

Racism is okay as long as it high-brow racism like John Derbyshire.

Yes. Sick shit that they are going after French’s kids but NR during his time there has done their fair share of disgusting racism.

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b_sharp  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:38:10pm

You guys are fascinating but when he asks I just have to play with my pup.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:38:13pm

re: #144 gocart mozart

Fuck yeah new follow!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:38:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:39:54pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:40:45pm

re: #141 Wozza Matter?

Romney did pretty well too. He knew his public image and he owned it.

More than anything, I think this demonstrates, in case there was still any question at all, that Trump is who he appears to be. There is no ‘other’ Donald Trump. No reasonable Trump, no Presidential Trump, no thoughtful, introspective Trump. Just what you see. In a sense, despite being a continual and shameless liar, he’s not deceptive.

Hillary, OTOH, speaks mostly truth, but presents only part of herself in public. I think that actually makes a better President.

Trump talks about what a great negotiator he is, but in their three 1:1 meetings, she’s played him like a Stradivarius, and he may not have even realized she was doing it. Certainly, he had no defense against it.

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gocart mozart  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:40:58pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:41:29pm

Though already revolting in many ways, the Trump base is not likely to revolt en masse when their guy loses. A few of the kookier ones could take up their AR-15s and make trouble, but they will soon be snuffed out Bundy-style.
The great mass, and its leaders, will instead turn on each other, each faction pointing the finger at other factions for causing the Trump disaster. I wish them great success in this endeavor. There is more than enough blame to go around, and with any luck it will keep them busy for years.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:42:20pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Except your candidate is Niedermeier without the military experience.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:42:55pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

“We’re the underdogs”

Says who?

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:43:19pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

I agree 100%- no one deserves this kind of treatment. But National Review is very much responsible for creating the climate that led to the rise of Donald Trump and his thuggish followers, and they’ll never accept that responsibility even though it’s biting them on the keester now.

I’m having a very hard time with these people selling the notion that Trump and his supporters are something that’s happened out of nowhere, when it’s the natural end product of all the “just asking questions” everything-is-socialism stuff that even the supposed intellectuals have doled out. They brought out the old JBS sideshow to scare folks, and it worked: people are investing more in more in the old-school conspiracy materials. And with that worldview came more racism, antisemitism, et cetera.

They empowered the movement now threatening them. Over and over, they gave them a bigger share; more money, more press.

This is going to be exactly like the moment that all the pro-Iraq conservatives magically became Tea Partiers that had never heard of Bush. Nothing will be learned; nothing is gained by learning the lesson. By obfuscating and DARVO, though, they can re-appropriate the reactionary populists backing Trump…probably while inventing a new name for them. Freedom somethings or such.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:43:45pm

this is fine…

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EPR-radar  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:44:30pm

re: #95 Blind Frog Belly White

What, you don’t believe that Stephen Colbert LITERALLY DESTROYED!!!!! Donald Trump? Or that John Stewart EVISCERATED!!!!! Republicans?
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My pet peeve along these lines is using ‘decimate’ as a synonym for ‘annihilate’, ‘destroy’ etc., which is just painfully wrong.

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wrenchwench  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:45:38pm

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

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An officer from the Arizona Department of Agriculture arrived and used a lasso to wrangle the emu into a trailer.

Not one of the state troopers on the scene. I was wondering if the lasso is still part of qualifying….

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Charles Johnson  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:46:37pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:46:41pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

Can we now charge Assange as a terrorist?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:46:45pm

re: #161 wrenchwench

Not one of the state troopers on the scene. I was wondering if the lasso is still part of qualifying….

I imagine emus are easier to get a lasso on than cows. Smaller head, no horns.

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jaunte  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:47:22pm

Schilling seems to have a theme developing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:47:37pm

re: #162 Charles Johnson

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But I thought he was a WINNER because he always WINS?

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wrenchwench  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:48:14pm

re: #164 Blind Frog Belly White

I imagine emus are easier to get a lasso on than cows. Smaller head, no horns.

Plenty of neck, too. Still, there’s some technique to twirling and tossing a rope.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:49:19pm
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Reality Based Steve  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:49:36pm

re: #162 Charles Johnson

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I think the operative word is “Good”. You know, the undersized, underfunded high school football team, the father getting his child medical care working against the system, even the hooker with the heart of gold story still plays well.

What you have is a hooker who slips you a micky, cuts out your kidneys and sells them on the black market. Then uses the money to bet against the high school team.

RBS

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EPR-radar  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:49:50pm

re: #129 weave

WHAT THE HELL LOGIC IS THIS?!?!?!?!

Redstate: Today’s Internet Outages Warn Us That Cruz Is Right And Obama Is Wrong

So …. because one DNS provider was DDOS’ed it’s Obama’s fault for implementing something that hasn’t been implemented yet — but this proves what could happen if it was implemented. So we better leave things just the way they are so this sort of thing can’t happen again like it happened today.

My head hurts.

Most RedStaters are against Trump. Their rationality begins and ends on this single point.

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majii  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:50:26pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

“I agree 100% - no one deserves this kind of treatment. But National Review is very much responsible for creating the climate that led to the rise of Donald Trump and his thuggish followers, and they’ll never accept that responsibility even though it’s biting them on the keester now.”

This is similar to the way I thought about French’s exposure to the vileness within the GOP. I feel sorry for their kids, but not for them. I’ve followed both their writings and careers for years, and instead of using their platforms to oppose the open, and rampant, racism, misogyny, xenophobia, birtherism, homophobia, Islamophobia, etc. that was staring them in the face every d*mn day, they chose to ignore it and use it to elevate their status in the GOP, and to make money. I don’t feel sorry for anyone who stands on the train tracks while seeing the train barreling towards them at 150 mph and refuses to move because they decided it’s always it’s party over country and party over doing what is right. French and his wife now get an opportunity to experience what they’ve built by not speaking out against wrongdoing and ugliness. Trump has gone off the rails, and no one, not even Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, or Reince Priebus is saying anything. According to Raw Story, GOPers in Congress are terrified about losing the majority in the Senate and by possibly having fewer seats in the House. I have no sympathy for them, either because it was they who decided that obstruction and riling up the mouth-breathers using BS would be the two main tools in their political toolkit after January 20, 2009. Their short-term schemes may end in long-term electoral regret, but it’s their problem to solve as far as I’m concerned. We’ve tried to warn them for decades, and they ignored us, denigrated us, called us liars and baby-killers, gun snatchers, etc., so this situation with Trump is on them. They built this.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:50:38pm

Charlie Sheen should throw out first pitch in world series as Ricky Vaughn.

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dangerman  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:50:43pm

red beans and andouille

vegan corn bread

possible evidential pictures to follow

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Scout  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:51:29pm

re: #154 gocart mozart

I suppose if you’re going to have a “favorite Nazi,” Col. Klink is probably a good choice.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:52:33pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:53:24pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hannity is such a principleless douche.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:54:21pm

Trump is toast.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:55:37pm

Trying to figure out how in America a wealthy older white man could be considered an “Underdog”…

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MsJ  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:55:44pm

re: #177 Charles Johnson

Georgia is a tossup but Texas shows solid red? I am confused. Weren’t polls showing Clinton even with (or within the MOE) in TX?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:56:13pm

re: #177 Charles Johnson

If the Democrats can tie Trump to Assange’s little stunt today, that would help even more.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:56:40pm

re: #179 MsJ

Yeah. But that is a much more recent development. Like, in the last week.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:57:05pm

re: #177 Charles Johnson

You know this is not your typical election when fucking UTAH is a toss up!

Wow.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:58:12pm

re: #182 Eclectic Cyborg

You know this is not your typical election when fucking UTAH is a toss up!

Wow.

Don’t piss off Mormons.

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majii  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:58:18pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

“Yes. Sick shit that they are going after French’s kids but NR during his time there has done their fair share of disgusting racism.”

It is sick, but it’s also a reflection of NR’s choice to refuse to speak out against the things they know are some of the GOP’s biggest problems. They’ve spent decades denying the racists in their midst, and they’re still doing it in regard to the alt-right because they need those votes. Those votes are more important to GOP politicians than anything else. I know from observing them over decades and their cowardice in opposing the vileness in their party. They’ll tap dance around all day on TV in order to avoid giving the answer they know is the correct one to any question. Case in point is Betsey McCaughey who is still lying through her teeth about voter fraud the same way she lied about death panels in the ACA.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 4:59:09pm

re: #181 Ziggy_TARDIS

Yeah. But that is a much more recent development. Like, in the last week.

Right Georgia’s been pink since about the summer. Texas has only started to tighten up just recently.

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MsJ  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:01:15pm

Hamilton stuff on PBS in an hour. :-)

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CuriousLurker  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:02:32pm

re: #130 gocart mozart

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Damn, she’s gotten REALLY good at giving a speech.

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gocart mozart  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:05:47pm
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jaunte  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:06:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:07:54pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:08:26pm

re: #184 majii

“Yes. Sick shit that they are going after French’s kids but NR during his time there has done their fair share of disgusting racism.”

It is sick, but it’s also a reflection of NR’s choice to refuse to speak out against the things they know are some of the GOP’s biggest problems. They’ve spent decades denying the racists in their midst, and they’re still doing it in regard to the alt-right because they need those votes. Those votes are more important to GOP politicians than anything else. I know from observing them over decades and their cowardice in opposing the vileness in their party. They’ll tap dance around all day on TV in order to avoid giving the answer they know is the correct one to any question. Case in point is Betsey McCaughey who is still lying through her teeth about voter fraud the same way she lied about death panels in the ACA.

What we’re seeing with the Republican party is the inevitable result of the accumulated filth of decades of pandering to the resentments of white bigots.

Pandering to the resentment of white bigots is a political version of crack — it gives the GOP a quick high of easy votes without having to actually deal with any real policy issues.

However, the bigots seems to have finally realized that they are never going to get what they really want out of the Republican establishment, and have started to follow their own demagogues.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:09:50pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:11:02pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

Man, his crowds have shrunk. That can’t be more than 3,000.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:11:14pm
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jaunte  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:11:32pm

re: #193 Ziggy_TARDIS

12,000 waiting outside to get in!

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BigPapa  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:13:20pm

If it was Wikileakers who ran the DDoS in protest of Assange… then they’re really low on my respect level. Cretins.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:14:18pm

re: #171 majii

“I agree 100% - no one deserves this kind of treatment. But National Review is very much responsible for creating the climate that led to the rise of Donald Trump and his thuggish followers, and they’ll never accept that responsibility even though it’s biting them on the keester now.”

This is similar to the way I thought about French’s exposure to the vileness within the GOP. I feel sorry for their kids, but not for them. I’ve followed both their writings and careers for years, and instead of using their platforms to oppose the open, and rampant, racism, misogyny, xenophobia, birtherism, homophobia, Islamophobia, etc. that was staring them in the face every d*mn day, they chose to ignore it and use it to elevate their status in the GOP, and to make money. […] They built this.

THIS, 150%. I saw him mention Ben Shapiro, who I can’t manage to work up any sympathy for—he’s a nasty, hateful, bigoted little shit. They’re getting a taste of their own medicine and complaining about how bitter it is. Cry me a river. //

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jaunte  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:15:02pm

Teaching their kids who to hate.

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BigPapa  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:15:22pm

0 = the amount of fucks I give for conservatives issuing mea culpas for the Trumpenstein.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:15:56pm

re: #184 majii

“Yes. Sick shit that they are going after French’s kids but NR during his time there has done their fair share of disgusting racism.”

It is sick, but it’s also a reflection of NR’s choice to refuse to speak out against the things they know are some of the GOP’s biggest problems. They’ve spent decades denying the racists in their midst, and they’re still doing it in regard to the alt-right because they need those votes. Those votes are more important to GOP politicians than anything else. I know from observing them over decades and their cowardice in opposing the vileness in their party. They’ll tap dance around all day on TV in order to avoid giving the answer they know is the correct one to any question. Case in point is Betsey McCaughey who is still lying through her teeth about voter fraud the same way she lied about death panels in the ACA.

Yeah I feel bad for French’s kids. I do feel bad for him in the sense I don’t think anyone deserves death threats but at the same time, French and the NRO crowd definitely created the beast that is Trump and they continue to lie to themselves and their readers about it. Honestly, NRO should just do themselves a favor and fold or issue a big apology for all the bulshit they’ve pushed the past 60 some years.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:17:55pm

Trump attorneys seek to bar his campaign comments at trial

SAN DIEGO (AP) — In an unusual legal maneuver, Donald Trump’s attorneys have asked a federal judge to exclude any statements made by or about the Republican nominee during the presidential campaign from his upcoming civil trial over the now-defunct Trump University.

Where does Trump find these legal scholars?
And, I’m sure this info will have a positive campaign impact…lol

The request by Trump’s attorneys applies to statements made during presidential debates and rallies, campaign advertisements, Trump’s beauty pageants, casinos and corporate bankruptcies, statements by campaign surrogates and “personal conduct accusations.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:18:01pm

re: #197 CuriousLurker

THIS, 150%. I saw him mention Ben Shapiro, who I can’t manage to work up any sympathy for—he’s a nasty, hateful, bigoted little shit. They’re getting a taste of their own medicine and complaining about how bitter it is. Cry me a river. //

I have a special hatred for Shapiro because his bullshit is why one of my friends has gone wingnut. And Shapiro literally worked for Breitbart not just as a writer but one of their big honchos. I have sympathy for French’s kids and sympathy for French receiving death threats but them getting called names like “cuck”, nope, NRO has been part of why the right is so fucked up in this country and Lowry and Buckley before him were contributing to that.

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freetoken  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:18:14pm

Chickens, roosts, coming home, and all that.

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bratwurst  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:19:48pm

re: #197 CuriousLurker

THIS, 150%. I saw him mention Ben Shapiro, who I can’t manage to work up any sympathy for—he’s a nasty, hateful, bigoted little shit. They’re getting a taste of their own medicine and complaining about how bitter it is. Cry me a river. //

I’ll admit…I was really starting to feel sorry for the whole lot of them.

Then I reached the comments at the end of the story. The SECOND POST there suggest French is wrong for assuming his tormentors “were not DNC-bots”.

Never mind. You built it, you live with it.

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Lancelot Link  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:21:30pm

re: #162 Charles Johnson

In a good underdog story, the rich jerk is NEVER the hero.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:21:41pm

ummm

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:22:30pm

re: #204 bratwurst

I’ll admit…I was really starting to feel sorry for the whole lot of them.

Then I reached the comments at the end of the story. The SECOND POST there suggest French is wrong for assuming his tormentors “were not DNC-bots”.

Never mind. You built it, you live with it.

Nancy had a piece in NRO too I believe where she made a snide comment about how Hillary only got to where she is because of her husband. IT’s shit like that makes me feel not sorry for them. They just can’t acknowledge that Hillary is a capable candidate. I don’t expect them to agree with her but to mock her qualifications shows why their dieology is part of the problem.

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MsJ  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:23:05pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

And the get smaller and smaller and smaller.

Excellent!

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MsJ  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:23:36pm

re: #193 Ziggy_TARDIS

Man, his crowds have shrunk. That can’t be more than 3,000.

If there are more than 1500 people in that room, I will eat a hat.

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ObserverArt  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:24:41pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

I agree 100% - no one deserves this kind of treatment. But National Review is very much responsible for creating the climate that led to the rise of Donald Trump and his thuggish followers, and they’ll never accept that responsibility even though it’s biting them on the keester now.

Trump has been a mirror for the Republican party.

Now that they are all being forced to stare into it they don’t like the ass they see.

But it is their ass and they can’t deny it now that it has been seen.

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gwangung  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:25:27pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummm

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Shouldn’t have run from that rape trial. Guilty people run.

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freetoken  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:26:13pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:26:41pm

re: #210 ObserverArt

Trump has been a mirror for the Republican party.

Now that they are all being forced to stare into it they don’t like the ass they see.

But it is their ass and they can’t deny it now that it has been seen.

Republicans most certainly will deny that Trump and his followers are what the party has become.

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EPR-radar  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:27:29pm

re: #199 BigPapa

0 = the amount of fucks I give for conservatives issuing mea culpas for the Trumpenstein.

I have to use imaginary numbers for that.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:28:50pm

To be honest. The problem isn’t Trump. It’s the right wing ideology in this country. Right wing ideology in this country has been about everything from the preservation of slavery to using the government to tell gay people they shouldn’t have the same rights as straight people. Honestly even what we could call sane conservatives I think suffer from a complete lack of empathy for people not like them. Does anyone think that Dick Cheney or Rob Portman would be pro gay marriage if they didn’t have a lesbian daughter or gay son. Now, it’s nice that they set aside their party’s beliefs out of love for their children but what conservatives and I’ve seen it repeatedly talking with conservatives over the years is they just can’t empathize with people not like them. Our foreign policy missteps negatively impacting people doesn’t cross their mind because they’re not Americans. Making Muslims the other doesn’t bother them because they’re not or is anyone they’re close to Muslim. Scapegoating Hispanics and Blacks doesn’t bother them because they’re not Hispanic or black. It’s a pattern with the right wing ideology. It’s not Trump. It’s the right. As I’ve said before, Trump is the right’s symptom, he is not their illness.

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b.d.  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:29:44pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummm

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So treat Julian right if you ever want an internets again?

oh brother….

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:33:34pm

Here’s the problem with NRO especially though. Everything has to turn into an excuse to bash the left, Democrats, and President. A great example of this is when the Obama administration decided to put Harriett Tubman on the 20 dollar bill to replace Andrew Jackson. To be honest, I probably have a more mixed opinion of Andrew Jackson than many people but you know what, I thought Harriet Tubman was an awesome choice for the first woman to go on the bill. What did the assholes at NRO do? They couldn’t write something as simple as “Harriet Tubman was an American hero, someone who took on the horrors of slavery head on and served the Union during her greatest hour of need.” Nope, they acknowledge Tubman’s admirable but they had to put in some bullshit about the WH was “politicizing” the choice. It’s what Lowry and those assholes do. The problem with NRO is they’re a bunch of stuck up right wing assholes who think they’re intelligent because unlike most of the right wing base, most of them have some form of higher education but NRO are actually a bunch of stuck up right wing assholes who like their founder Buckley think they’re better than everyone else. They are the real elites. The people who may not use racial slurs but advocate for the same racist crap.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:33:35pm

re: #209 MsJ

I was going for the highest possible that would be feasible in that space, as a non-expert.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:34:12pm

re: #216 b.d.

Essentially, he is now acting as a terrorist. I think he may be out of the embassy very shortly.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:36:12pm

re: #216 b.d.

So treat Julian right if you ever want an internets again?

oh brother….

We don’t want to make Julian angry.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:37:08pm

Man, Russia chooses some incredibly shitty proxies.

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KGxvi  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:38:03pm

re: #41 freetoken

Half of Republicans would reject election result if Clinton wins: Reuters/Ipsos

This is really no surprise. This is the birther contingent, those who tried to make Obama an illegitimate President.

As I mentioned mentioned other day day, the last time there was pre-election talk about ejecting the result results of a presidential election in this country, the result was the civil war

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freetoken  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:39:50pm

The horse race - it must be fed:

Philippines ‘Separation’ From U.S. Jilts Hillary Clinton, Too

When the Philippines appeared to jilt its old ally the United States in favor of China this week, it repudiated not only President Obama and his “pivot” to Asia, but also Hillary Clinton, who made reaching out to the region her signature project as his secretary of state.

[…]

As if mini-Drumpf is anything but a self-destructive idiot regardless of anything the US does.

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b.d.  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:40:15pm

re: #220 Reality Based Steve

re: #219 Ziggy_TARDIS

I wonder how Ecuador would fell if it lost its internet for a while?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:40:34pm

re: #222 KGxvi

As I mentioned mentioned other day day, the last time there was pre-election talk about ejecting the result results of a presidential election in this country, the result was the civil war

I really hope we don’t come to that. Trump’s not making it easier though. This just worries the hell out of me. Clinton will be seen by Republican voters as illegitimate and because of that, the GOP will treat Clinton as such and this bullshit will continue. The GOP needs to actually have the balls to confront the base they’ve created or else be ready to go the way of the Whigs. They can’t have it both ways.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:41:02pm

re: #224 b.d.

The US could make that happen in about 10 minutes.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:41:48pm

Dana Milbank, then of the New Republic:

As part of his California trip, Trump toured the Simon Wiesenthal Center, where he was led from one disturbing display to another: hate speech, Bosnia, Rwanda, the civil rights struggle, the Holocaust. But Trump seemed detached, focusing his attention on the presentation rather than the content. Shown a video of a racial confrontation, he remarked: “Good actors.” He spent an hour or so wandering around the exhibits, muttering “fabulous” and “unbelievable” and “brilliant execution” and “extraordinary” and “outstanding.” The mood was occasionally broken by Roger Stone’s telephone, which played the “Grande Valse” whenever there was a call.

After a guide asked the TV cameras to leave, Trump quickened his pace, galloping through the Warsaw Ghetto and the Holocaust in about three minutes. Rejoined by the cameras, Trump slowed down and was handed a guest book to sign. He paused thoughtfully, as if searching for the perfect sentiment, then scribbled two words in the book: “great work!” He underlined “great” three times and dotted his exclamation point with a loop.

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Schroedinger's Dog  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:41:54pm

re: #222 KGxvi

As I mentioned mentioned other day day, the last time there was pre-election talk about ejecting the result results of a presidential election in this country, the result was the civil war

Given that most of Trumps base are neo confederates…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:41:56pm

re: #226 Ziggy_TARDIS

The US could make that happen in about 10 minutes.

I’m sure we could but we shouldn’t.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:42:16pm

re: #223 freetoken

Duterte is practically a carbon-copy of Trump, right down to his childhood. Duterte is a power-hungry psychopath.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:42:28pm

re: #227 FormerDirtDart

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It seems to me that he did more than think Hitler did it brilliantly, he took notes.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:43:29pm

re: #229 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I’m pretty sure Ecuador is having a huge case of buyer’s remorse.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:44:12pm

re: #222 KGxvi

As I mentioned mentioned other day day, the last time there was pre-election talk about ejecting the result results of a presidential election in this country, the result was the civil war

Which over at free repugnant they are gearing for. There is a substantial element that really thinks this will trigger CW2 and they are ready for it. I, for one, can’t wait for the advance of the 27th Cav line abreast down the street, their mobility scooters decked out in camo. Of course the battle has to be completed by 4 to get the early bird special at Shonies.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:44:15pm

re: #232 Ziggy_TARDIS

Yeah, I’m pretty sure Ecuador is having a huge case of buyer’s remorse.

I’m sure of that too but I meant I don’t want to punish the people there too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:45:10pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:45:26pm

re: #234 HappyWarrior

Ecuador hasn’t purposely & maliciously done anything wrong towards the US. So, they don’t deserve that.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:45:52pm
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Reality Based Steve  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:46:13pm

re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s all the fault of net neutrality.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:46:26pm

re: #223 freetoken

Considering how Duterte is acting, I would wonder what the chances are of a Coup?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:46:33pm
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FormerDirtDart  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:47:12pm
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freetoken  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:47:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:47:33pm

re: #236 Ziggy_TARDIS

Ecuador hasn’t purposely & maliciously done anything wrong towards the US. So, they don’t deserve that.

Plus, I think we need to focus on boosting our ties in Latin and South America. We have a lot of work to do because there’s still some mistrust. Obama was booed in Buenos Aires even though he had nothing to do with the Dirty War for example.

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freetoken  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:47:54pm

The horse race, it must be fed.

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MsJ  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:47:56pm

re: #234 HappyWarrior

I’m sure of that too but I meant I don’t want to punish the people there too.

Companies here lost revenue I’d bet that n the millions. Forgive me if I have little sympathy.

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freetoken  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:48:24pm

Why run one wire story when you can run two?

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MsJ  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:49:23pm

re: #236 Ziggy_TARDIS

Ecuador hasn’t purposely & maliciously done anything wrong towards the US. So, they don’t deserve that.

I’d call it harboring a criminal, myself.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:49:23pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:49:48pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:50:02pm

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Other countries may have versions of conservatism that aren’t intrinsically racist. But that is inconceivable in the context of US politics. Conservatives were the driving force behind the civil war with their insistence on expanding slavery in the territories. They lost the war but ended up mostly winning the peace, which was enough to keep their obstruction of progress to normal conservative levels for nearly a century.

Civil rights victories for blacks in the 1950s and 1960s put an end to Jim Crow etc. Movement conservatism was born in the racist backlash to that, and has never repudiated that origin.

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freetoken  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:50:17pm

re: #239 Ziggy_TARDIS

Considering how Duterte is acting, I would wonder what the chances are of a Coup?

Who knows. When looking at that level of wild leader anything can happen.

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majii  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:50:32pm

re: #212 freetoken

Regarding Christie practicing for the water bottle:

I can’t explain it, but every time I look at Christie my woman’s intuition signals to me that he has a bad temper and will lash out at anyone who he thinks offends him in some way. I believe what Bridget Kelly said in her testimony. Christie has shown his penchant for punishing others for saying things he doesn’t like about him and for becoming testy when there’s an issue he doesn’t want to discuss. Because I’m a retired teacher, I’ll never forget how he talked to that teacher a couple years ago. All of my internal sensors tell me he’s a lowdown, dirty, authoritarian b*st*rd who thinks he should answer to no one, even when he obviously knows he’s wrong.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:51:44pm

re: #245 MsJ

Companies here lost revenue I’d bet that n the millions. Forgive me if I have little sympathy.

Not talking about the government. I’m talking about the regular Ecuadorian.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:52:19pm

re: #249 Charles Johnson

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Is John agreeing with you or disagreeing? Can’t tell.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:52:52pm

re: #250 EPR-radar

Other countries may have versions of conservatism that aren’t intrinsically racist. But that is inconceivable in the context of US politics. Conservatives were the driving force behind the civil war with their insistence on expanding slavery in the territories. They lost the war but ended up mostly winning the peace, which was enough to keep their obstruction of progress to normal conservative levels for nearly a century.

Civil rights victories for blacks in the 1950s and 1960s put an end to Jim Crow etc. Movement conservatism was born in the racist backlash to that, and has never repudiated that origin.

Yes, that is a big difference between conservativism in our country and others.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:52:54pm

re: #252 majii

Oh, NJ knows his temper is short. He’s lashed out at multiple voters, in public.

I can’t really explain why NJ still voted for him, aside from multiple collective moments of idiocy. To be fair, the governor’s office in NJ seems to induce those amongst the voters there.

Source: I grew up and escaped.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:54:09pm

re: #237 FormerDirtDart

This is pretty much one of my favorites of the replies to Yglesais’ tweet…

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KGxvi  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:54:33pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

I really hope we don’t come to that. Trump’s not making it easier though. This just worries the hell out of me. Clinton will be seen by Republican voters as illegitimate and because of that, the GOP will treat Clinton as such and this bullshit will continue. The GOP needs to actually have the balls to confront the base they’ve created or else be ready to go the way of the Whigs. They can’t have it both ways.

On major difference between now and 1860 is that the military is much more centralized. Beyond that, there would be no political will in state capitals to support revolution. Any fighting will rightly be seen as domestic terrorism.

You’re probably right that they will try and treat her as somehow illegitimate, but I suspect it will fail more spectacularly than it has with has made Obama. It only becaused Obama was “new” and tried to play fair. Clinton been dealing with this shit for 25 years and may we’ll start off as “no fucks Hillary”

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:57:35pm

I laugh at their puny attempts at sabotaging the system of tubes. Only when they pop four hundred thousand wheelies on a single unicycle while juggling cigar boxes (filled with actual cigars, not papier mache fakes — we won’t be fooled again!) and reciting the entire screenplay of Federico Fellini’s underrated masterpiece La città delle donne along the entire length of Manhattan’s lovely Hudson River Park, will I even begin to contemplate fearing them at some point or another. And then again, I may not. Nyah nyah!

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bratwurst  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:58:22pm

This. Of all of the things CNN has done to anger me in recent years, giving Schilling airtime today on the basis of him “considering” a run against Senator Warren is right up there.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:58:53pm

re: #242 freetoken

Yep, saw this happening.

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 21, 2016 • 5:59:46pm

re: #22 CuriousLurker

Yep. It was giving my boss and our engineers fits this morning because clients were being affected. Shortly before 10am I got this:

When I responded wondering if it was the Russians, the reply was:

What could a guy like that see that would give him a clue if Wiki vs NK vs China vs Russia?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:00:00pm

re: #260 bratwurst

This. Of all of the things CNN has done to anger me in recent years, giving Schilling airtime today on the basis of him “considering” a run against Senator Warren is right up there.

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Schilling really showed what a huge asshole he really is with his Jewish comment.And Republicans wonder why Jews don’t vote for them. I’m not Jewish but their Jewish outreach is so fake.

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MsJ  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:00:18pm

re: #253 HappyWarrior

Not talking about the government. I’m talking about the regular Ecuadorian.

And how many of those small companies are regular Americans trying to eek out a living? I’m not talking Amazon, but Joe’s Flowers or whatever. This hurt a lot of people. This is economic terrorism - to which they admitted in their tweet at the top of the page.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:00:54pm

Speaking of hacking. Remember the LinkedIn hack. Information of 17m members stolen. Well. They caught the guy. And yes. He’s Russian.

money.cnn.com

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Belafon  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:01:00pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

Considering their attack not only affected the US, but parts of Europe, they might start thinking about how they’re going to keep away from Interpol. I don’t think Ecuador is going to accept too many more of them.

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MsJ  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:01:02pm

re: #254 HappyWarrior

Is John agreeing with you or disagreeing? Can’t tell.

It looks like he’s agreeing to me.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:01:09pm

re: #254 HappyWarrior

Is John agreeing with you or disagreeing? Can’t tell.

John’s definitely down with LGF.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:02:23pm

re: #45 freetoken

re: #46 freetoken

This one shows an even tighter gap:

polling.reuters.com

Looking at both of those polls, a few things stand out on them.
First, both of the latest polls are dated last Sunday, which would be before the final debate. Hillary Clinton’s numbers barely changed beween Oct 9 and Oct 16.
The second point is the sample size - October 2 and October 16 had roughly 1650 people polled, and had Trump closer on both (around 4.5% behind). When a larger sample was used on October 12 (just under 3000 people) that gap jumped to almost 7 percentage points.
Finally, Reuters/IPSOS uses internet opt-in polling which has shown to have wild inaccuracies as opposed to telephone and in-person interview polls.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:02:37pm

re: #268 Charles Johnson

Down with LGF is the new Down with OPP!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:02:58pm

re: #265 GlutenFreeJesus

Oops. Well. I meant he’s been indicted.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:03:14pm

I can’t wait to see how Alex Jones will ?make Hillary responsible for the DDOS attack. ‘cuz you know he will.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:04:20pm

re: #268 Charles Johnson

John’s definitely down with LGF.

Cool man. I’ve always liked him. He’s a funny guy. He’s got some good acting chops too.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:04:55pm

re: #273 Reality Based Steve

I can’t wait to see how Alex Jones will ?make Hillary responsible for the DDOS attack. ‘cuz you know he will.

Alex probably blames Hillary and Obama both for why he’s 42 going on 62.

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freetoken  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:06:09pm

re: #252 majii

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:06:51pm

re: #269 Bill and Opus for 2016!

Oh, they are one of the polls I discount because of being internet based.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:07:07pm
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freetoken  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:08:57pm

Those two Christie memes… when I look for them on my twitter account, they only show up under “tweets and replies” instead of under “tweets”.

Why?

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MsJ  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:10:34pm

re: #271 GlutenFreeJesus

Down with LGF is the new Down with OPP!

Why’d you bring Trump into it? /

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:10:48pm

re: #264 MsJ

And how many of those small companies are regular Americans trying to eek out a living? I’m not talking Amazon, but Joe’s Flowers or whatever. This hurt a lot of people. This is economic terrorism - to which they admitted in their tweet at the top of the page.

I understand that. I just want the reprisial to be smart and not in a way that could hurt relations in that region or fuel Assenge. That said, I really hope we can force the Ecudaroians to give him up.

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teleskiguy  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:11:53pm

re: #279 freetoken

Those two Christie memes… when I look for them on my twitter account, they only show up under “tweets and replies” instead of under “tweets”.

Why?

Because the tweet reads as just a tweet directed at Chris Christie, so only Christie, people who follow him and follow you see the tweet. To solve that, put a period in front of the tweet. That’ll send the tweet out to all your followers.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:12:25pm

I was right and wrong about Christie. Right in that I thought he wouldn’t go anywhere in the primaries. Wrong because I thought he was too brash for the GOP primary electorate. Too “urban” if you will. It’s so weird seeing the ultimate New Yorker, Trump become the candidate of rural country people who think he understands their frustrations.

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MsJ  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:13:00pm

re: #281 HappyWarrior

I understand that. I just want the reprisial to be smart and not in a way that could hurt relations in that region or fuel Assenge. That said, I really hope we can force the Ecudaroians to give him up.

I get that but this pisses me off big time. These are punk terrorists likely with involvement from a foreign state.

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Belafon  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:13:02pm

re: #160 EPR-radar

My pet peeve along these lines is using ‘decimate’ as a synonym for ‘annihilate’, ‘destroy’ etc., which is just painfully wrong.

I went and looked it up. The 1/10th meaning of decimate is considered archaic. From the Oxford Dictionary:

Kill, destroy, or remove a large proportion of.

Historically, the meaning of the word decimate is ‘kill one in every ten of (a group of people)’. This sense has been more or less totally superseded by the later, more general sense ‘kill, destroy, or remove a large proportion of’, as in the virus has decimated the population. Some traditionalists argue that this is incorrect, but it is clear that it is now part of standard English

I personally don’t consider lousy to mean covered in lice.

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freetoken  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:13:30pm

re: #282 teleskiguy

Thanks. I retweeted it, and that seems to show up on my “tweet” list.

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teleskiguy  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:15:04pm

re: #282 teleskiguy

Buzzfeed has a handy two-step guide on Twitter periods.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:17:04pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:18:57pm

re: #284 MsJ

I get that but this pisses me off big time. These are punk terrorists likely with involvement from a foreign state.

Definitely.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:19:22pm

re: #288 Charles Johnson

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This (voting machine) kills fascists.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:19:55pm

re: #271 GlutenFreeJesus

Down with LGF is the new Down with OPP!

You down with LGF? Yeah, we lean left,
You down with LGF? Yeah, we lean left,
You down with LGF? Yeah, we lean left,
Who’s down with LGF? Lizards, I bet!

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Thanos  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:20:38pm

So I haven’t had problems getting anywhere all day, but I’m in the midwest, and I use a backup DNS service: In the third slot I keep 4.4.4.4 which are google open DNS servers.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:21:22pm

So, where in Gettysburg does he give his speech? Near the statue of Robert E. Lee and Traveler, where Pickett’s Charge started? Or at the Copse of Trees, the high water mark of the Confederacy? Or at the spot where Lee rode out to meet his shattered troops, saying he was sorry?

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EPR-radar  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:21:43pm

When I have the time, I think I’ll need to read more Hunter S Thompson. Here’s a sample from his obituary of Nixon theatlantic.com

If the right people had been in charge of Nixon’s funeral, his casket would have been launched into one of those open-sewage canals that empty into the ocean just south of Los Angeles. He was a swine of a man and a jabbering dupe of a president. Nixon was so crooked that he needed servants to help him screw his pants on every morning. Even his funeral was illegal. He was queer in the deepest way. His body should have been burned in a trash bin.

These are harsh words for a man only recently canonized by President Clinton and my old friend George McGovern — but I have written worse things about Nixon, many times, and the record will show that I kicked him repeatedly long before he went down. I beat him like a mad dog with mange every time I got a chance, and I am proud of it. He was scum.

Let there be no mistake in the history books about that. Richard Nixon was an evil man — evil in a way that only those who believe in the physical reality of the Devil can understand it. He was utterly without ethics or morals or any bedrock sense of decency. Nobody trusted him — except maybe the Stalinist Chinese, and honest historians will remember him mainly as a rat who kept scrambling to get back on the ship.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:21:59pm

Mask’s gone.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:22:27pm

re: #295 Ziggy_TARDIS

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Go fuck yourself with a rusty spoon, Jules.

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Thanos  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:22:45pm

re: #291 Eclectic Cyborg

You down with LGF? Yeah, we lean left,
You down with LGF? Yeah, we lean left,
You down with LGF? Yeah, we lean left,
Who’s down with LGF? Lizards, I bet!

I look at it like a racing sailboat. If the boat’s heeled over to the right, we lean left, if it’s heeled to the left, we lean right. It keeps us from capsizing with all the sail we’ve got on.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:22:50pm

No one who is a true friend of free speech would be a fucking tool of the Kremlin and Putin.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:24:42pm

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:26:30pm

re: #299 De Kolta Chair

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Space Cats — Magic Fly

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Charles Johnson  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:26:54pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:27:04pm

Oh look, Reuter’s was deceitful, if the hard data from 538 is correct.

The most recent shows +8.

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William Lewis  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:31:38pm

re: #294 EPR-radar

When I have the time, I think I’ll need to read more Hunter S Thompson. Here’s a sample from his obituary of Nixon theatlantic.com

Mild commentary on Nixon for him.

If you haven’t read much/any HST before I’d say the best place to begin is “Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail ‘72” as it’s the best sustained collection of his writing, before or since. Individual works could be better but that was a sustained piece of grace and glory.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:32:42pm

Remember Indian Summers? Yeah, good times. Sigh.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:32:48pm

I’ve long contended that Trump’s difficult elecotrally was really any Republicans. So many states they have to gain back from Obama. Even when Bush won in 2004, it was by one state. Now, I no doubt think Rubio and Kasich especially would be doing better against Clinton but I think they would have ran into their own problems. I have no idea what a Clinton versus Marco Rubio or John Kasich debate would look like. I’m sure both would conduct themselves like adults but those two had their own problems that I think Clinton would have exploited in the campaign.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:33:45pm

I’m pretty sure Frank Luntz actually just paid me a genuine compliment. I am stun.

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teleskiguy  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:35:38pm

re: #306 Charles Johnson

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:35:54pm

I can show some sympathy for David French’s family members for having to endure the alt-right hatred they were subject to.

However, I remember early summer when he was contemplating that third-party challenge, and how he was just marginally - and I mean MARGINALLY less disgusting than Donald Trump. He is literally cut from the same insane mold.

From LGF on May 31:
And Now, Trump’s 3rd Party Challenger: A Raving Wingnut, of Course

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Belafon  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:36:01pm

re: #302 Ziggy_TARDIS

Oh look, Reuter’s was deceitful, if the hard data from 538 is correct.

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The most recent shows +8.

The lesson from all of this is one poll doesn’t mean much.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:36:25pm

Acrophobics, do not click! Don’t say I didn’t warn you!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:36:41pm

re: #302 Ziggy_TARDIS

Essentially, what that data shows is the cumulative polling across those days. You will notice that it starts at C+2, and by the end is C+9.

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teleskiguy  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:37:56pm

re: #310 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The things they’re doing with slack lines these days is pretty mind blowing.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:38:31pm

re: #308 Bill and Opus for 2016!

I can show some sympathy for David French’s family members for having to endure the alt-right hatred they were subject to.

However, I remember early summer when he was contemplating that third-party challenge, and how he was just marginally - and I mean MARGINALLY less disgusting than Donald Trump. He is literally cut from the same insane mold.

From LGF on May 31:
And Now, Trump’s 3rd Party Challenger: A Raving Wingnut, of Course

I remember reading about the rules he imposed on his wife when he was away in Iraq. Jeez. But yeah exactly, I feel bad especially that the alt right sickos put an image of his little girl in a gas chamber but he’s part of the problem and would loudly be cheering someone like Ted Cruz on if he were the nominee and Ted Cruz in some ways is demostratably worse than Trump.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:39:07pm

My wife just told me that, according to Rachel Maddow, Trump’s joke about Melania was stolen. To which I replied, “Yeah, stolen from Bob Hope’s radio show.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:39:42pm

re: #314 De Kolta Chair

My wife just told me that, according to Rachel Maddow, Trump’s joke about Melania was stolen. To which I replied, “Yeah stolen from Bob Hope’s radio show.”

Wasn’t the “Pardon me” also an old one too?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:39:53pm

Oct. 21 is Wonder Woman Day.

Instagram

Repost from @reallyndacarter: Wonder Women 👯#WithWonderWoman #WonderWoman75

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:40:38pm

Have to say again how annoyed I am with people who don’t fact check their daily outrageous outrages. By bringing up the four minute thing, Clinton did NOT leak classified info.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:40:48pm

re: #315 HappyWarrior

Wasn’t the “Pardon me” also an old one too?

Goes back at least as far as with Nixon and Gerald Ford - pretty sure that Johnny Carson used it at least once.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:40:53pm

re: #315 HappyWarrior

Old as the hills and twice as hairy. Wow, haven’t said that in over four decades.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:41:25pm

re: #318 Bill and Opus for 2016!

Goes back at least as far as with Nixon and Gerald Ford - pretty sure that Johnny Carson used it at least once.

Yeah, that’s what I thought I heard. SAD

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b.d.  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:42:18pm

we’re doomed

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William Lewis  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:43:05pm

re: #316 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Oct. 21 is Wonder Woman Day.

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It is also Ursula Le Guin’s 87th Birthday…

“Only in silence the word,
Only in dark the light,
Only in dying life:
Bright the hawk’s flight
On the empty sky.

—The Creation of Éa”

― Ursula K. Le Guin

And Carrie Fisher’s 60th.

The Princess, the Superhero & the Sage all on one day…

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retired cynic  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:44:08pm

re: #310 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Acrophobics, do not click! Don’t say I didn’t warn you!

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I am acrophobic, and I looked, because you told me not to. Nonononononono!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:44:33pm

re: #321 b.d.

I wouldn’t want to go as Trump. Too many people would be trying to kick your ass or pelt you with candy.

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b.d.  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:45:30pm

re: #324 Eclectic Cyborg

I wouldn’t want to go as Trump. Too many people would be trying to kick your ass or pelt you with candy.

I’d feel safer dressed as a murderous clown.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:45:46pm

re: #306 Charles Johnson

I’m pretty sure Frank Luntz actually just paid me a genuine compliment. I am stun.

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Go high, and say “Thx”. Aside from the “Chuck” thing.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:45:58pm

re: #321 b.d.

we’re doomed

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Move over Jim Hoft! There’s a new sheriff in town.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:46:00pm

re: #316 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Oct. 21 is Wonder Woman Day.

;-)

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No Depression  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:46:09pm

re: #321 b.d.

we’re doomed

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Did this guy get a political science degree from Trump University or something?

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:46:14pm

re: #321 b.d.

we’re doomed

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First thing I though of when I saw this tweet:

Juju on dat beat Trump Hillary Dance - at wallmart

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:46:33pm

So this looks to be potentially the third straight federal election in which the GOP will sustain losses against the Democrats.

At what point will they realize this wingnut shit isn’t working at all?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:47:08pm

re: #325 b.d.

I’d feel safer dressed as a murderous clown.

But you’d still be wearing a Trump costume…

/

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:47:15pm

re: #331 Eclectic Cyborg

So this looks to be potentially the third straight federal election in which the GOP will sustain losses against the Democrats.

At what point will they realize this wingnut shit isn’t working at all?

When they have the courage to actually talk to their base.

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Belafon  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:48:01pm

re: #331 Eclectic Cyborg

So this looks to be potentially the third straight federal election in which the GOP will sustain losses against the Democrats.

At what point will they realize this wingnut shit isn’t working at all?

When they can’t win Congress either.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:48:16pm

re: #333 HappyWarrior

When they have the courage to actually talk to their base.

So never then?

:p

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Thanos  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:48:20pm

re: #306 Charles Johnson

I’ve been participating in IoT industry forums for a few years now, everyone making these devices see it as a non problem for their particular app because their data is [pick one or two: anonymous, inconsequential, harmless, etc. etc.] and they refuse to acknowledge the botnet issues. They don’t listen well when I try to explain it, so I’m hoping this gets some of their attention.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:48:34pm

George McGovern was doomed the minute he ran against Nixon because Nixon masks you know.

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EPR-radar  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:48:58pm

re: #305 HappyWarrior

I’ve long contended that Trump’s difficult elecotrally was really any Republicans. So many states they have to gain back from Obama. Even when Bush won in 2004, it was by one state. Now, I no doubt think Rubio and Kasich especially would be doing better against Clinton but I think they would have ran into their own problems. I have no idea what a Clinton versus Marco Rubio or John Kasich debate would look like. I’m sure both would conduct themselves like adults but those two had their own problems that I think Clinton would have exploited in the campaign.

It’s going to take several more cycles for demographics to really sink the GOP at the national level. Until then, any presidential race that can be made to look like a generic Republican vs. a weak Democrat will be dangerously easy to lose. Obama 2008, Obama 2012, Clinton 2016 is a streak of strong (D) candidates that may not last as long as required to prevent a GOP lunatic from becoming president.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:49:00pm

re: #321 b.d.

we’re doomed

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teleskiguy  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:49:16pm

My favorite IoT tweet from today:

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b.d.  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:49:46pm

re: #339 FormerDirtDart

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hahaha

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No Country For Old Haters  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:49:48pm

re: #220 Reality Based Steve

I watched that Twilight Zone episode this afternoon, so I’m getting a TZ feeling from your post.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:49:55pm

Charles….

Be sure to check out “Goliath” on Prime. It’s in the same league as “Bosch”. Billy Bob Thornton is great. Law Drama.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:50:09pm

re: #335 Eclectic Cyborg

So never then?

:p

Ha! Honestly what really worries me is this new alt-right. They’re not old so this idea that many of us had of the GOP base getting old and being replaced by younger and more sensible types I think was mistaken but even without the alt right, a lot of the Republicans’ “new guns” people like Ernst from Iowa, Cruz, Rubio, and others are just as extreme as their older counterparts if not more so. I think Ryan is more of a nutjob than Boehner was too.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:50:42pm

re: #336 Thanos

You really want to make them listen? Bring that shit down on Black Friday/Cyber Monday. A loss of millions of dollars across a few major corps I bet would cause them to take security more seriously.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:51:04pm

re: #338 EPR-radar

It’s going to take several more cycles for demographics to really sink the GOP at the national level. Until then, any presidential race that can be made to look like a generic Republican vs. a weak Democrat will be dangerously easy to lose. Obama 2008, Obama 2012, Clinton 2016 is a streak of strong (D) candidates that may not last as long as required to prevent a GOP lunatic from becoming president.

True.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:52:29pm

re: #340 teleskiguy

My favorite IoT tweet from today:

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Simpsons Japanese Toilet

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:53:11pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:53:34pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:53:45pm

Honestly it’s a long way in the future but who will replace Clinton as the Dem standard bearer is a good question. Long way in the future though. In 2004 after Kerry lost, I did not think it was going to be Obama who I had seen speak at the DNC that year but I thought Edwards was a possibility. You never know what’s going to happen. The next Democratic leader could be gosh someone like Jason Kinder even who may be first elected this year.

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Jay C  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:54:10pm

re: #331 Eclectic Cyborg

So this looks to be potentially the third straight federal election in which the GOP will sustain losses against the Democrats.

At what point will they realize this wingnut shit isn’t working at all?

When it seriously affects their control of state houses and Congress. Or even threatens to. And not one minute before….

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:54:11pm

re: #331 Eclectic Cyborg

So this looks to be potentially the third straight federal election in which the GOP will sustain losses against the Democrats.

At what point will they realize this wingnut shit isn’t working at all?

When they look back on the party that used to exist.

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Thanos  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:55:40pm

The good news is that there some good working groups set up the past two years to create some minimum standards, but I think some .gov types need to participate a bit more more.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:57:48pm

I really like Corey Booker a lot I must say. I saw him in the documentary 13 and he’s really really good at talking about criminal justice issues.

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b.d.  Oct 21, 2016 • 6:58:01pm

Yep, doomed

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 7:01:01pm

re: #355 b.d.

Yep, doomed

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Bill, 99% of those people are laughing at you. Rebecca Black’s Friday got a lot of hits on Youtube but that doesn’t mean it’s winning the best song ever anytime soon. By the way, how do you dress yourself without shitting yourself?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2016 • 7:01:48pm

re: #355 b.d.

Yep, doomed

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Oh I can’t wait to mock this asshole when Trump loses.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2016 • 7:03:27pm

And as if on cue I have some right wing nutcase on FB babbling away about the silent majority that will save the day for Trump.

Perhaps another culling of the friends list is in order…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 21, 2016 • 7:04:13pm

re: #323 retired cynic

I am acrophobic, and I looked, because you told me not to. Nonononononono!

Some people just don’t listen! Jeez.

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dangerman  Oct 21, 2016 • 7:04:54pm

re: #355 b.d.

Yep, doomed

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How exactly do followers hits feeds and retweets translates into votes?

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b.d.  Oct 21, 2016 • 7:05:06pm

re: #357 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh I can’t wait to mock this asshole when Trump loses.

Where did this moron come from? I’ve never even heard of him until recently and he makes Jim Hoff look like Stephen Hawking

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 21, 2016 • 7:05:12pm

re: #337 HappyWarrior

George McGovern was doomed the minute he ran against Nixon because Nixon masks you know.

As the old bumper sticker read, Dick Nixon Before He Dicks You.

As it was in the beginning, in ‘68, and ever shall be until ‘74, Dick without end. Amen.
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retired cynic  Oct 21, 2016 • 7:05:18pm

re: #360 dangerman

How exactly do followers hits feeds and retweets translates into votes?

It’s magic!

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 21, 2016 • 7:06:31pm

re: #355 b.d.

Yep, doomed

[Embedded content]

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 21, 2016 • 7:07:26pm

re: #360 dangerman

How exactly do followers hits feeds and retweets translates into votes?

in exactly same way rally attendance does. /duh

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HappyWarrior  Oct 21, 2016 • 7:07:43pm

re: #364 Great White Snark

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You’re nicer than I am heh. I feel bad for him honestly in a way since he just seems oblivious to the fact that Trump is losing. I mean it’s one thing when Trump says they’re winning when he knows they’re not but this guy seems to really believe it.

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 21, 2016 • 7:07:54pm

re: #336 Thanos

I’ve been participating in IoT industry forums for a few years now, everyone making these devices see it as a non problem for their particular app because their data is [pick one or two: anonymous, inconsequential, harmless, etc. etc.] and they refuse to acknowledge the botnet issues. They don’t listen well when I try to explain it, so I’m hoping this gets some of their attention.

Did it ever occur to them that CPU cycles spent being botty represent energy taken away from tasks that need to be done, as well as literal energy for battery-operated devices?

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dangerman  Oct 21, 2016 • 7:11:22pm

re: #365 Reality Based Steve

in exactly same way rally attendance does. /duh

Yard signs?

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Thanos  Oct 21, 2016 • 7:11:55pm

re: #367 Sherlock Hound

Did it ever occur to them that CPU cycles spent being botty represent energy taken away from tasks that need to be done, as well as literal energy for battery-operated devices?

They are mostly pretty intelligent, so yes. The problem is making it a concern. Most IoT devices are so low power and single tasked that they have tons more compute HP than needed, and use very little battery. E.G. the DVR’s and Cameras doing their bot dances are still performing their regular jobs well.

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Thanos  Oct 21, 2016 • 7:14:27pm

re: #369 Thanos

They are mostly pretty intelligent, so yes. The problem is making it a concern. Most IoT devices are so low power and single tasked that they have tons more compute HP than needed, and use very little battery. E.G. the DVR’s and Cameras doing their bot dances are still performing their regular jobs well.

Also note that the average homeowner isn’t going to notice if his thermostat, DVR, or webcam starts using more watts.

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No Country For Old Haters  Oct 21, 2016 • 7:18:44pm

re: #355 b.d.

Yep, doomed

[Embedded content]

He’s very proud of himself, but if you look at the Tweets from his fans, they’re all soft in the head. They think this bozo is bringing them the real truth while everyone else lies and says Trump will lose.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 21, 2016 • 7:30:46pm

re: #365 Reality Based Steve

in exactly same way rally attendance does. /duh

Or online poll results.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 21, 2016 • 8:15:11pm

re: #266 Belafon

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Considering their attack not only affected the US, but parts of Europe, they might start thinking about how they’re going to keep away from Interpol. I don’t think Ecuador is going to accept too many more of them.

That tweet is pure Russkie speak. We need to fucking crush these people. I don’t know how, but this bullshit is getting out of hand.

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BlueGrl21  Oct 21, 2016 • 8:46:07pm

re: #280 MsJ

Why’d you bring Trump into it? /

I see you went with the correct translation of that second P, my friend.

I see you.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 21, 2016 • 9:27:43pm

re: #262 Great White Snark

What could a guy like that see that would give him a clue if Wiki vs NK vs China vs Russia?

Sorry, I obviously missed this earlier. Beats me—most of what they do is way over my head, but I know they look for patterns & anomalies and such. Networks have seven layers they use to communicate with each other. Within those layers are all the bits & pieces like the DNS & IP addresses, packets traveling to & fro, physical devices & appliances (like routers, switches, VPN firewalls), etc.

I honestly don’t know how they hold all that info in their brains without their heads exploding—I guess you have to have a certain mindset & way of approaching problems/puzzles. Not everyone who is a network security engineer and holds some certifications is really good at it, y’know? Some people have a special talent for it. For example, I don’t like puzzles video games aside from mahjong and the occasional round of solitaire because they stress me out. My boss? I gave her an Amazon gift card for her birthday and she bought a couple of puzzles like this one. O_o

They lasted her a day or two, then the challenge was gone because she figured them out. Me? I get stressed out over those old plastic slide puzzles we played with as kids. When Rubik’s Cubes were all the rage I hated them—I’d try for like 10-15 minutes then give up in frustration. Those crazy ones she likes? You’d be talking me off the ledge by the end of the day, heh.

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Teukka  Oct 21, 2016 • 9:41:00pm

re: #249 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Wooah Charles, John Leguizamo responded to you?
*blinks*

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 22, 2016 • 7:27:18am

re: #321 b.d.

we’re doomed

[Embedded content]

Maybe just as a gag to randomly grab kitties


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