Trump Appoints Anti-Vaccination Crackpot Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to Head Committee on Vaccine Safety

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Donald Trump has nominated a head of education who’s a creationist, an attorney general who is openly hostile to civil rights laws, and now is appointing anti-vaccination crackpot Robert F. Kennedy to chair a committee on vaccine safety: Trump Moves To Challenge Vaccine Science.

Donald Trump moved to question one of the signature medical accomplishments of the 20th century Tuesday, reportedly appointing a leading critic of vaccines to chair a commission on vaccine safety.

“President-elect Trump has some doubts about the current vaccine policies and he has questions about it,” Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. told the pool reporter at Trump Tower after meeting Trump Tuesday. “Everybody ought to be able to be assured that the vaccines that we have—he’s very pro-vaccine, as am I— but they’re as safe as they possibly can be.”

And that last statement is simply not true. Robert F. Kennedy is very well-known as an opponent of vaccination. Buzzfeed points out:

Kennedy has accused government scientists as being “involved in a massive fraud,” manipulating studies to demonstrate the safety of the compound. And he has claimed that an “insatiable pharmaceutical industry” is pushing them to do so in pursuit of boosting revenues from vaccines.

In 2005, Kennedy wrote an article for Rolling Stone and Salon alleging that the federal government was covering up the danger of vaccines. After the piece was subject to a series of corrections about inaccuracies, in 2011, Salon retracted the piece.

Kennedy once compared the “damage” done by vaccines to a holocaust.

Kennedy, who criticized Mr. Trump during the election campaign, has also written a book and promoted a documentary on the subject. During one showing of that documentary, according to the Sacramento Bee, Kennedy compared the damage done by vaccines to “a holocaust.”

“They get the shot, that night they have a fever of a hundred and three, they go to sleep, and three months later their brain is gone,” Kennedy said at the screening in 2015. “This is a holocaust, what this is doing to our country.”

Donald Trump is also on record promoting the fraudulent notion that vaccines cause autism, and has met with disbarred anti-vaccination hoaxer Andrew Wakefield.

Trump too has publicly argued for the link between vaccines and autism. In August, the president-elect also met with Wakefield. He said he gave Trump a copy of his 2015 anti-vaccine documentary, Vaxxed, which the president-elect promised to watch.

Here’s Kennedy in 2015, speaking in front of a big banner that says vaccines are “UNAVOIDABLY UNSAFE.” Does that sound like someone who’s “pro-vaccine” to you?

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Make no mistake; this anti-science idiocy coming down from the highest office in the country is going to get people killed, and lead to a massive resurgence of preventable diseases.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:04:17pm

Why?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:05:18pm

Make Americans Die Of Preventable Diseases Again

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electrotek  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:05:22pm

They will have even more blood on their hands with their deliberate ignorance of the facts.

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baileylamb  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:05:35pm

re: #1 I Would Prefer Not To

Bc Putin wants him to…

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:05:36pm

Maybe vaccines don’t work. Maybe cigarettes don’t cause cancer.

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baileylamb  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:06:21pm

re: #5 I Would Prefer Not To

Maybe I don’t need to look both ways before crossing the street.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:07:18pm

I said it downstairs but it bears repeating:

It’s worth noting too that the anti-vaccine nonsense has also been able to spread because for a long time, there’s still been enough of the herd immunity to prevent the consequences of their decision from being immediately apparent. If you’re a new young parent and you have anti-vax friends who don’t vaccinate their kids and their kids end up being fine, and you’re on the fence about the issue - well, nothing happened to them! It’s gotta be just fine!

Humans are excellent at rationalizing themselves into completely irrational positions.

I think we’ll see a swing back, eventually, but my heart hurts for the people this is going to kill and maim before that happens.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:08:09pm

Ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuck.

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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:08:20pm

re: #6 baileylamb

Maybe I don’t need to look both ways before crossing the street.

Hey, now. Let’s not overdo it.

/

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:08:46pm

And of course the media will probably focus more on the Kennedy name and rather than the fact he’s a kook.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:10:33pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:11:33pm

OT but new year diet is off to a good start. Back to working out regularly, lighter/healthier meals, and no in between meals.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:13:15pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

And of course the media will probably focus more on the Kennedy name and rather than the fact he’s a kook.

Bipartisanship! He’s pivoting! Reaching across the aisle!

//////////////////////// x 10^36

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Charles Johnson  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:13:28pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:14:23pm

Repost this relevant post I put at the end of the dead thread:

I hate anti-vaccer propaganda. My wife didn’t want our daughter to get the Gardasil vaccine because she read an anti-vaccer anecdote on the internet. So I took her to get the vaccine anyway and didn’t tell my wife. Because my daughter is not going to run a completely unnecessary risk of cervical cancer.

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electrotek  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:15:04pm

re: #15 Big Beautiful Door

Repost this relevant post I put at the end of the dead thread:

I hate anti-vaccer propaganda. My wife didn’t want our daughter to get the Gardasil vaccine because she read an anti-vaccer anecdote on the internet. So I took her to get the vaccine anyway and didn’t tell my wife. Because my daughter is not going to run a completely unnecessary risk of cervical cancer.

Fucking anecdotes will be the bane of our existence.

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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:15:54pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

[Jeff Sessions is currently denying he supports every extreme position he’s on record supporting.]

He forgot about the oath again. Also forgot that the internet is forever. And writing. He forgot that people write stuff down.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:15:58pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Private just to hide OT discussion.

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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:16:35pm

re: #16 electrotek

Fucking anecdotes will be the bane of our existence.

I heard that once.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:16:40pm

re: #16 electrotek

Fucking anecdotes will be the bane of our existence.

My friend used to say that all the time. Then he died of hair cancer. Is it really worth the risk?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:17:06pm

re: #15 Big Beautiful Door

I was just at the upper age-range where they recommended it when it came out, and my insurance wouldn’t cover it. As a grad student, I couldn’t justify the $400 cost.

I am hopeful I will never have cause to regret that decision.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:17:47pm

re: #6 baileylamb

Maybe I don’t need to look both ways before crossing the street.

I almost died crossing a street my first day in London. It’s not just looking that’s important, you have to look each direction in the right order if you don’t want to get hit by a red double-decker bus like I barely avoided.

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Belafon  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:18:53pm

re: #21 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I was just at the upper age-range where they recommended it when it came out, and my insurance wouldn’t cover it. As a grad student, I couldn’t justify the $400 cost.

I am hopeful I will never have cause to regret that decision.

We switched pediatricians so that I have my sons get it.

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lawhawk  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:19:04pm

The GOP is ready to gut the ACA/Obamacare, which provides vaccinations to millions of people to prevent easily communicable diseases - ranging from measles, mumps, and chicken pox, to hepatitis and HPV (which can also provide protection against various cancers).

The GOP is now intent on bringing in an anti-vax extremist to oversee vaccine safety, which increases the chances we’ll see still more outbreaks of preventable diseases because they’ll be pushing their anti-science bullshit putting people at risk - the very people they’re claiming they want to protect.

There’s the herd immunity factor. Folks who can’t get immunized because they’re too young, infirm, have immunity issues, benefit from everyone else getting vaccinated, but if the percentage drops below a certain point, they get exposed to higher risk of getting sickened needlessly.

That’s additional costs that are born by insurers, the person affected, their caregiver, and health care providers. All that adds up.

There’s a reason that a $20 vaccination for the flu is worth every penny. Because not only do thousands die of the flu every year, but every case that is prevented means hundreds to thousands of dollars per patient not expended on hospitalization or other medical treatment.

Expand that to each of the diseases being vaccinated against, and the numbers truly add up.

The GOP is more than willing to stick us with the costs of their sheer dumbassery.

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Interesting Times  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:19:09pm

Oldie but goodie (i.e. renewed relevance): How Do Vaccines Cause Autism?

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EPR-radar  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:19:19pm

So, if Satan himself took a vacation from Hell to become President of the US, would his record to date be any worse than Trump’s?

It’s hard to see how this could be possible.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:19:49pm

re: #18 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Private just to hide OT discussion.

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Belafon  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:19:52pm

re: #26 EPR-radar

So, if Satan himself took a vacation from Hell to become President of the US, would his record to date be any worse than Trump’s?

It’s hard to see how this could be possible.

He’d be more subtle.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:19:56pm
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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:20:03pm

re: #22 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

I almost died crossing a street my first day in London. It’s not just looking that’s important, you have to look each direction in the right order if you don’t want to get hit by a red double-decker bus like I barely avoided.

In all four directions! More at some intersections.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:20:26pm

re: #23 Belafon

We switched pediatricians so that I have my sons get it.

Good for you. My sisters both got it. I, alas, was too old and off my parents’ health insurance and mine covered normal vaccinations but not that one.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:20:53pm

re: #26 EPR-radar

So, if Satan himself took a vacation from Hell to become President of the US, would his record to date be any worse than Lamarr’s?

It’s hard to see how this could be possible.

Worse, no, but probably less bizarre. Satan wouldn’t put blockheads in charge unless it was to punish them by showing how incompetent they are.

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electrotek  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:21:36pm

re: #22 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

I almost died crossing a street my first day in London. It’s not just looking that’s important, you have to look each direction in the right order if you don’t want to get hit by a red double-decker bus like I barely avoided.

Never had that problem in Japan. Everyone always yielded to pedestrians, literally.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:22:05pm

re: #26 EPR-radar

So, if Satan himself took a vacation from Hell to become President of the US, would his record to date be any worse than Trump’s?

It’s hard to see how this could be possible.

Give the devil his due. Lucifer may be many things, but bumbling, ignorant and disorganized do not number among them.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:22:18pm

At least RFK Jr. himself has probably been vaccinated; so he’ll be available for trial once the epidemic(s) have run their course.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:24:26pm

With a Trump presidency you get all of your Malthusian checks in one package!

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Interesting Times  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:24:39pm

But it’s the US itself who’ll get the STD…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:25:01pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

OT but new year diet is off to a good start. Back to working out regularly, lighter/healthier meals, and no in between meals.

And no midnight snacks… which has been my problem. lol

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:25:19pm

Sweets are my weakness when it comes to food.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:26:29pm

re: #28 Belafon

He’s got millennia more experience.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:26:52pm

re: #38 GlutenFreeJesus

And no midnight snacks… which has been my problem. lol

Most definitely. That one was a huge killer when I was really heavy. My peak weight was around 260 a year and a half after I graduated. I got down to the late 180’s a couple years ago. Unfortunately, I’ve gained some of it back but I’m confident I can lose it again. I need to be in good shape this summer since I’m taking another foreign trip.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:28:30pm

re: #35 Shiplord Kirel

At least RFK Jr. himself has probably been vaccinated; so he’ll be available for trial once the epidemic(s) have run their course.

He’ll just try for an insanity defence claiming that being vaccinated damaged his mental faculties. /sorta

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Momkat56  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:28:40pm

Credibility? What’s that? This is truly a fox-guarding-the-hen-house, willfully-ignorant, dumb-as-a-bag-of-hammers, stupid-ass move. I have run out of expletives that my fingers will let me type on a public forum. I am finally and unretractably left with “F U, and the horse you rode in on, Mr Trump!”

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:29:12pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

Most definitely. That one was a huge killer when I was really heavy. My peak weight was around 260 a year and a half after I graduated. I got down to the late 180’s a couple years ago. Unfortunately, I’ve gained some of it back but I’m confident I can lose it again. I need to be in good shape this summer since I’m taking another foreign trip.

I was utterly out of shape from a dangerously sedentary lifestyle, then I got an HTC Vive, and started losing fat and gaining muscle just from killing zombies in VR. I was surprised that my arms got bigger just from playing video games. It’s a whole different experience than sit-down gaming.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:29:18pm

Weird. I like totally forgot where the tags buttons are.

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calochortus  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:30:00pm

re: #24 lawhawk

It’s why Kaiser is so happy to nag you to come in and get a free flu shot. They don’t want to pay for people getting care for the flu. Sadly, this year there is a strain that they shot doesn’t cover.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:31:05pm

re: #44 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

I was utterly out of shape from a dangerously sedentary lifestyle, then I got an HTC Vive, and started losing fat and gaining muscle just from killing zombies in VR. I was surprised that my arms got bigger just from playing video games. It’s a whole different experience than sit-down gaming.

From my final year of high school in 2005-2013, the only exercise I really got was walking to classes and stuff like that. I did no cardio or anything like that and my eating habits were awful. I should have nipped it years ago but is what it is. It has helped with my confidence too.

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lawhawk  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:32:31pm

re: #46 calochortus

It’s why Kaiser is so happy to nag you to come in and get a free flu shot. They don’t want to pay for people getting care for the flu. Sadly, this year there is a strain that they shot doesn’t cover.

That is always a possibility since the vaccine manufacturers try to anticipate the dominant strains that change annually. But any vaccine will be better than no coverage at all - and it helps reduce the effects.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:32:39pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

From my final year of high school in 2005-2013, the only exercise I really got was walking to classes and stuff like that. I did no cardio or anything like that and my eating habits were awful. I should have nipped it years ago but is what it is. It has helped with my confidence too.

It does do that. I stand taller when in better shape, and take less nonsense from others.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:33:29pm
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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:34:02pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

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baileylamb  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:34:44pm

Parts of the country are ready to commit suicide all bc a black guy was elected.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:34:47pm

re: #49 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

It does do that. I stand taller when in better shape, and take less nonsense from others.

Exactly. I can’t wait to see how it feels combined with my Lexapro. Lexapro has done wonders for my anxiety. My job involves a lot of phone calls to strangers. In the past, I would have been very nervous on the phone but my boss has gone out of his way to praise me for how confident and articulate I sound on the phone.

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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:36:15pm

Three years ago I banned a local free publication from keeping a stack of their junk in my store because they published an ‘opinion piece’ that ‘wondered’ whether GMOs cause autism. I found out that their editor does a monthly ‘come talk to me’ session at my favorite coffee shop. I will go to be sure she knows why they are no longer in my shop where they were for so long before.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:36:43pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

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Belafon  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:37:17pm

From the previous thread:

re: #568 Birth Control Works

Skimming through that, how do we get through to the people that are Republican because Republicans are supposedly fiscal conservatives. They are neither when it comes to money. Democrats are far more fiscally responsible.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:37:25pm

re: #54 wrenchwench

Three years ago I banned a local free publication from keeping a stack of their junk in my store because they published an ‘opinion piece’ that ‘wondered’ whether GMOs cause autism. I found out that their editor does a monthly ‘come talk to me’ session at my favorite coffee shop. I will go to be sure she knows why they are no longer in my shop where they were for so long before.

I hate the anti-GMO crap too. Never heard that one before though.

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calochortus  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:37:56pm

re: #48 lawhawk

That is always a possibility since the vaccine manufacturers try to anticipate the dominant strains that change annually. But any vaccine will be better than no coverage at all - and it helps reduce the effects.

Yeah, the lead time does mean they have to guess, but what I hear from my-daughter-the-pediatrician is that the strain going around is sufficiently different from the vaccine that people are getting pretty sick with it.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:38:15pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

Exactly. I can’t wait to see how it feels combined with my Lexapro. Lexapro has done wonders for my anxiety. My job involves a lot of phone calls to strangers. In the past, I would have been very nervous on the phone but my boss has gone out of his way to praise me for how confident and articulate I sound on the phone.

I know exactly what you’re experiencing. Lexapro is identical in effect to the anti-depressant that fixed me in exactly the same way, it’s just good at half the dosage because it’s the effective isomer, rather than the effective one 50/50 with an ineffective mirror-image like in Celexa. These drugs really help with symptoms of being on the spectrum, and make me outgoing when I used to keep to myself.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:38:32pm

re: #56 Belafon

From the previous thread:

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Skimming through that, how do we get through to the people that are Republican because Republicans are supposedly fiscal conservatives. They are neither when it comes to money. Democrats are far more fiscally responsible.

Too many people mistake cutting taxes and cutting social programs as fiscal conservatism. It’s not. You can be fiscally responsible and value social programs and not be a Norquist zealot on taxes.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:39:51pm

re: #39 HappyWarrior

Sweets are my weakness when it comes to food.

My meals are not complete without dessert. Right there with you.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:40:08pm

re: #56 Belafon

From the previous thread:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:40:33pm

re: #59 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

I know exactly what you’re experiencing. Lexapro is identical in effect to the anti-depressant that fixed me in exactly the same way, it’s just good at half the dosage because it’s the effective isomer, rather than the effective one 50/50 with an ineffective mirror-image like in Celexa. These drugs really help with symptoms of being on the spectrum, and make me outgoing when I used to keep to myself.

It’s also done wonders for my depression. I mean I’m upset at the election results too obviously but I would have been despondent and my work would have suffered if not for the Lexapro. I mean I still can have tough days but I’m better now. I also don’t fret as much if something is missing. I know that 99% chance is that it wasn’t thrown out or the problem can be solved.

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calochortus  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:41:01pm

re: #62 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

Trump does make it hard to ignore the problems in the GOP.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:41:10pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

Exactly. I can’t wait to see how it feels combined with my Lexapro. Lexapro has done wonders for my anxiety. My job involves a lot of phone calls to strangers. In the past, I would have been very nervous on the phone but my boss has gone out of his way to praise me for how confident and articulate I sound on the phone.

meds caused me to gain weight.

It sucks.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:41:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:41:29pm

re: #61 Patricia Kayden

My meals are not complete without dessert. Right there with you.

It’s especially tough this time of year. We had so many sweets that week leading up to Christmas. My brother and his wife sent cookies. Family friends and we had our own homemade stuff too.

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makeitstop  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:41:41pm

OT: Natalie Maines ups the ante on the quote that nearly derailed her career.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:42:00pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:42:21pm

re: #65 Birth Control Works

meds caused me to gain weight.

It sucks.

Hasn’t been an issue for me. But it helps that I have a flexible schedule too. I just can’t do in between meals.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:42:44pm

Making poor people pay more tax than the top rich who are getting tax cuts makes it “competitive”? What is this, a tax “free market”?

“Consumption-based” = “Poors pay more”

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:42:55pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

It’s also done wonders for my depression. I mean I’m upset at the election results too obviously but I would have been despondent and my work would have suffered if not for the Lexapro. I mean I still can have tough days but I’m better now. I also don’t fret as much if something is missing. I know that 99% chance is that it wasn’t thrown out or the problem can be solved.

But you do still have appropriate responses to problems, since these drugs fix a problem without deadening appropriate emotional responses. I initially feared the drug would make me a zombie, but it makes me a better me by just stripping some shortcomings from my personality, and leaving the rest intact.

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Whack-A-Mole  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:42:56pm

I really have to wonder, does Trump actually believe that vaccines are dangerous or is be just sowing FUD about them because he recognizes there’s more money in treating rather than preventing diseases?

Is this an example of his stupidity or greed?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:43:04pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

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But Obama took awy our freedumbs.

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scottslemmons  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:43:41pm
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Birth Control Works  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:43:41pm

Christiane Amanpour is a name I don’t remember seeing recently.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:44:02pm

re: #65 Birth Control Works

meds caused me to gain weight.

It sucks.

Some will. I seem to just be suffering the weight gain associated with being 50. What have you tried? (if that’s not too personal)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:44:40pm

re: #72 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

But you do still have appropriate responses to problems, since these drugs fix a problem without deadening appropriate emotional responses. I initially feared the drug would make me a zombie, but it makes me a better me by just stripping some shortcomings from my personality, and leaving the rest intact.

YEah I mean I still want to find stuff. I was missing my special pen that I use for taking notes at work this morning but I calmed myself knowing it was either in my messager bag or my nightstand desk. In the past, I would have been freaking out and the whole house would know it.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:44:43pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

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Well, isn’t that nice to know. And we all can figure out who he and his ilk would want to jail indefinitely. Hint: Rightwing terrorists need not fear.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:45:19pm
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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:45:25pm

re: #73 Whack-A-Mole

I really have to wonder, does Lamarr actually believe that vaccines are dangerous or is be just sowing FUD about them because he recognizes there’s more money in treating rather than preventing diseases?

Is this an example of his stupidity or greed?

His son-in-law has said he doesn’t really fall for the conspiracy nonsense he spreads. He claims it’s just to manipulate the rubes into supporting Trump. He could be covering for Trump’s madness, but we do also know that Trump is a bullshitter.

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Kragar  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:45:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:46:09pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

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I guess like Mitt Romney, he’s multiple choice.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:46:09pm
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Belafon  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:46:17pm

re: #71 The Vicious Babushka

Making poor people pay more tax than the top rich who are getting tax cuts makes it “competitive”? What is this, a tax free market?

“Consumption-based” = “Poors pay more”

“And less Christian.”

I’m not religious, but I think it’s about time a lot of them get shamed for what they actually worship.

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calochortus  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:46:19pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

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Depends on who is doing the detaining?

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Birth Control Works  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:46:33pm

re: #77 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

Some will. I seem to just be suffering the weight gain associated with being 50. What have you tried? (if that’s not too personal)

meds or methods to lose weight?

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:46:35pm

re: #71 The Vicious Babushka

Yep. Consumption based = people who use the services/buy the products pay all the taxes. That means our taxes will be going up. Wonder if Trump’s poorly educated voters are slowly waking up to the nightmare.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:47:05pm

re: #73 Whack-A-Mole

Is this an example of his stupidity or greed?

Yes.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:47:11pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

YEah I mean I still want to find stuff. I was missing my special pen that I use for taking notes at work this morning but I calmed myself knowing it was either in my messager bag or my nightstand desk. In the past, I would have been freaking out and the whole house would know it.

You have it worse than I do. My only OCD is in collecting TV shows on a massive media server. It used to be a room full of video tapes, but computers allow me to indulge myself while taking up vastly less space.

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calochortus  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:47:39pm

re: #88 Patricia Kayden

Yep. Consumption based = people who use the services/buy the products pay all the taxes. That means our taxes will be going up. Wonder if Trump’s poorly educated voters are slowly waking up to the nightmare.

Not yet. They haven’t done the math to figure out how much the tax on what they buy will be.

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Belafon  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:48:27pm

I just thought of a great design/art work/t-shirt: A cross with a dollar bill being crucified on it with the words “The Real Christian Messiah” around it.

I might replace Christian with American.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:48:34pm

re: #87 Birth Control Works

Meds. I know some about anti-depressants. I know nothing about your metabolism and your body’s desire to store fat.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:49:28pm
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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:49:59pm

re: #92 Belafon

I just thought of a great design/art work/t-shirt: A cross with a dollar bill being crucified on it with the words “The Real Christian Messiah” around it.

Make and sell it. You can make a little money while remotely taunting the dollar-worshipers. It’s win-win.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:50:00pm
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Kragar  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:50:19pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:50:25pm

re: #90 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

You have it worse than I do. My only OCD is in collecting TV shows on a massive media server. It used to be a room full of video tapes, but computers allow me to indulge myself while taking up vastly less space.

Yeah it can be pretty bad. I’m very peculiar if something goes missing too. I have a magnet collection from my travels and one of my favorites was missing and I freaked. This was before I was on meds. I somehow managed to find the magnet I had and even ordered a new one before I discovered the old one and canceled the order. I have weird sentiments to objects even ones I don’t really need. Like I have a bottle opener I ended up with one night that I really don’t need since I have a bottle opener on my keychain but I like having that bottle opener too. I don’t know if it’s OCD or my Asperger’s. I don’t officially have OCD.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:50:50pm

re: #94 Birth Control Works

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She’s another one I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing run in 2020. I like Kirsten.

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lawhawk  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:51:04pm

re: #71 The Vicious Babushka

Making poor people pay more tax than the top rich who are getting tax cuts makes it “competitive”? What is this, a tax free market?

“Consumption-based” = “Poors pay more”

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Consumption based, which means that poor and middle class with pay a far higher percentage of their limited incomes in taxes than the rich, who can absorb the consumption based taxes with no effort.

The GOP swindle continues - shifting tax burdens from rich to everyone else, and shifting the burdens on to those least able to afford them.

The GOP doesn’t do math, nor do their supporters. So they aren’t paying attention and don’t care.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:51:47pm

re: #97 Kragar

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:51:54pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:52:28pm

re: #97 Kragar

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makeitstop  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:52:35pm

re: #73 Whack-A-Mole

I really have to wonder, does Trump actually believe that vaccines are dangerous or is be just sowing FUD about them because he recognizes there’s more money in treating rather than preventing diseases?

Is this an example of his stupidity or greed?

Could be that he’s casting doubt on vaccines in general, until he gets a company lined up where he’ll make money off of them - and then he’ll use the government to promote the ‘good’ vaccine and tell everyone they should use that one.

At a suitably marked-up price, of course.

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baileylamb  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:52:58pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

But he loves and respects the constitution

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Kragar  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:53:09pm
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Belafon  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:53:10pm

re: #97 Kragar

Republicans won’t be going after porn until after the inauguration.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:53:28pm

re: #15 Big Beautiful Door

Repost this relevant post I put at the end of the dead thread:

I hate anti-vaccer propaganda. My wife didn’t want our daughter to get the Gardasil vaccine because she read an anti-vaccer anecdote on the internet. So I took her to get the vaccine anyway and didn’t tell my wife. Because my daughter is not going to run a completely unnecessary risk of cervical cancer.

Good for you. And thanks for reminding me. I’ve got to look at when my daughter’s third dose is due and get her in for that.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:53:36pm

re: #97 Kragar

What the what? “Soft sensuality”? I don’t even want to know what that means. Won’t be watching his inauguration anyways.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:53:39pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

Yeah it can be pretty bad. I’m very peculiar if something goes missing too. I have a magnet collection from my travels and one of my favorites was missing and I freaked. This was before I was on meds. I somehow managed to find the magnet I had and even ordered a new one before I discovered the old one and canceled the order. I have weird sentiments to objects even ones I don’t really need. Like I have a bottle opener I ended up with one night that I really don’t need since I have a bottle opener on my keychain but I like having that bottle opener too. I don’t know if it’s OCD or my Asperger’s. I don’t officially have OCD.

It’s interesting how we can know things are irrational, but still cling to them. At least we’re not clinging to irrational right-wing dogma like so many clingers do!

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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:54:16pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

Yeah it can be pretty bad. I’m very peculiar if something goes missing too. I have a magnet collection from my travels and one of my favorites was missing and I freaked. This was before I was on meds. I somehow managed to find the magnet I had and even ordered a new one before I discovered the old one and canceled the order. I have weird sentiments to objects even ones I don’t really need. Like I have a bottle opener I ended up with one night that I really don’t need since I have a bottle opener on my keychain but I like having that bottle opener too. I don’t know if it’s OCD or my Asperger’s. I don’t officially have OCD.

Mr. w says it is CDO. Alphabetical order, donchaknow. (He’s undiagnosed.)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:55:43pm

re: #110 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

It’s interesting how we can know things are irrational, but still cling to them. At least we’re not clinging to irrational right-wing dogma like so many clingers do!

Yeah. It does drive my loved ones insane though. I have gotten better though as I said. I mean I still want to find stuff, I don’t see that going anyway for now but I am more methodical, I’m like okay, it’s obviously still in here somewhere, you obviously didn’t throw it out. I was worried sick when my old iPod Classic died on me since I didn’t know where I’d find one since Apple no longer makes those but i found a practically new one for a fair price and that was that.

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makeitstop  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:55:45pm

re: #97 Kragar

Expect Trump’s inauguration to have a “soft sensuality”

Soundtrack:

70’s Porn Music - Doctor Sex

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Birth Control Works  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:56:50pm

I just saw thism OMG! Charles, you should don a Nasty Woman T-shirt complete the meme.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:57:15pm

re: #111 wrenchwench

Mr. w says it is CDO. Alphabetical order, donchaknow. (He’s undiagnosed.)

Doesn’t surprise me. I finally do have my library of books organized in a way I like them thaknfully. There’s been a couple tiems I’ve removed every last book from my shelves to do a re-organize. Same thing with my DVDs, Blu-rays, and games.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:57:53pm

re: #111 wrenchwench

I don’t know if it’s OCD or my Asperger’s

Is that like asking if it is LSD or Acid?

:0

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lockjawcanbefun  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:58:18pm
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Birth Control Works  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:58:46pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Doesn’t surprise me. I finally do have my library of books organized in a way I like them thaknfully. There’s been a couple tiems I’ve removed every last book from my shelves to do a re-organize. Same thing with my DVDs, Blu-rays, and games.

I used to do things like that. I no longer have the strength or endurance —Pain and Fatigue do things like that.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 10, 2017 • 12:59:01pm
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Kragar  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:00:43pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:01:56pm

re: #118 Birth Control Works

I used to do things like that. I no longer have the strength or endurance —Pain and Fatigue do things like that.

What I did with my books is I finally got my fiction section in alphabetical order by author and my non-fiction is pretty well categorized. Bios in alpha order, subejct sections, etc.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:02:03pm

re: #120 Kragar

Black lights and table dances too.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:02:21pm

re: #120 Kragar

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Little hand hats for everyone!

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:04:12pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Doesn’t surprise me. I finally do have my library of books organized in a way I like them thaknfully. There’s been a couple tiems I’ve removed every last book from my shelves to do a re-organize. Same thing with my DVDs, Blu-rays, and games.

I used to do that, but I recently had to take down my books and move my shelves to another wall to free up space to expand my VR area from 12’x12’ to 24’x12’, and I don’t even care that my books have been randomized. I’m comfortable to leave sorting them to a future date when I have time on my hands. It’s not like I even pick them up to reread them anymore. My reading is on my Kindle, and I watch TV and movies far more often that I read. That’s a change I view as negative, but it is what it is. I read constantly as a teen, and it tapered off over the next 30 years.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:04:54pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

What I did with my books is I finally got my fiction section in alphabetical order by author and my non-fiction is pretty well categorized. Bios in alpha order, subejct sections, etc.

I have non-fiction by subject and size —big ones have to be on their side to save the spines.

Fiction is by author. and genre.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:05:56pm

re: #120 Kragar

The going has gotten weird, so in HST’s words, it’s time for the weird to go pro.

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S'latch  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:06:34pm

I have had a theory for some time that causing people to die is actually not an unintended consequence of positions such as those described as
1. anti-vaccine,
2. pro-gun,
3. anti-health care,
4. anti-science.
(Feel free to add to the list).
I have not expressed this opinion before because it’s almost impossible to prove. Who would acknowledge that causing people to die in large numbers is an intention? But, it’s starting to become much clearer to me.

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Kragar  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:07:17pm
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Belafon  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:07:20pm

re: #127 S’latch

anti-UN.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:07:36pm
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Belafon  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:07:39pm

re: #128 Kragar

The one he appeared in.

Edit: Maybe he’s going to play it on a big screen behind him.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:09:21pm

re: #131 Belafon

The one he appeared in.

Only president to ever appear in a porno but according to the RWNJs, Obama is the one who disgraces the office. Not that I really care what Trump does in his spare time but I just know that if Obama or any Democrat had the record Trump does with sex, the religious right would go ballistic. Hell, they’d go ballistic if a Dem ever had a Bristol Palin sitaution.

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Kragar  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:09:38pm
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makeitstop  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:09:52pm

re: #119 The Vicious Babushka

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It’s kinda funny - without the big names, his inauguration will take on the dour feel of old Soviet state functions.

You wanted Russia, Donny? You got it.

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electrotek  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:10:01pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

Only president to ever appear in a porno but according to the RWNJs, Obama is the one who disgraces the office. Not that I really care what Trump does in his spare time but I just know that if Obama or any Democrat had the record Trump does with sex, the religious right would go ballistic. Hell, they’d go ballistic if a Dem ever had a Bristol Palin sitaution.

We all know how ballistic they went over a fucking blowjob.

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lawhawk  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:10:29pm

re: #128 Kragar

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:10:43pm

re: #135 electrotek

We all know how ballistic they went over a fucking blowjob.

Yep. Anyhow, time for the daily work out. Talk to you guys later or tomorrow after work.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:10:53pm

re: #133 Kragar

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:11:11pm

re: #134 makeitstop

It’s kinda funny - without the big names, his inauguration will take on the dour feel of old Soviet state functions.

You wanted Russia, Donny? You got it.

I’m sure Vlad will let the Red Army Chorus participate.

The tanks, missiles and fighter jets, not so much.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:11:41pm

re: #133 Kragar

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And candelabra!

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Birth Control Works  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:12:14pm

re: #127 S’latch

I have had a theory for some time that causing people to die is actually not an unintended consequence of positions such as those described as
1. anti-vaccine,
2. pro-gun,
3. anti-health care,
4. anti-science.
(Feel free to add to the list).
I have not expressed this opinion before because it’s almost impossible to prove. Who would acknowledge that death is an intention? But, it’s starting to become much clearer to me.

Do you mean Evolution?

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Birth Control Works  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:13:10pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

Yep. Anyhow, time for the daily work out. Talk to you guys later or tomorrow after work.

shouldn’t there be viagra jokes about now?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:14:27pm

re: #142 Birth Control Works

shouldn’t there be viagra jokes about now?

“Surrounded by soft sensuality”

But enough about Donald’s erectile dysfunction!

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calochortus  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:15:59pm

You’re all just jealous! Just like you’re jealous of me because I’m going to go mop my kitchen floor! (You are jealous of me, right? Right???)
BBL

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Kragar  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:16:26pm
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makeitstop  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:16:49pm

re: #144 calochortus

You’re all just jealous! Just like you’re jealous of me because I’m going to go mop my kitchen floor! (You are jealous of me, right? Right???)
BBL

I gotta clean cat boxes. Wanna trade?

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:17:02pm

re: #144 calochortus

You’re all just jealous! Just like you’re jealous of me because I’m going to go mop my kitchen floor! (You are jealous of me, right? Right???)
BBL

Super-jealous. I just cleaned my kitchen floor with spray-cleaner and paper-towels, due to the lack of a mop. You’re fancy.

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Belafon  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:17:18pm

re: #143 The Vicious Babushka

“Surrounded by soft sensuality”

But enough about Donald’s erectile dysfunction!

I’m imagining Melania being forced to do Viagra commercials after Trump gets impeached. She could finish with “Viagra is so good, I even have sex with Donald.”

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:17:30pm

re: #146 makeitstop

I gotta clean cat boxes. Wanna trade?

Boxes? Sounds like you have a major infestation.

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KGxvi  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:17:54pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

I’m guessing a staffer leaned over and whispered, “that’s the Sixth Amendment, you can’t be against that.”

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calochortus  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:18:06pm

re: #146 makeitstop

I gotta clean cat boxes. Wanna trade?

No.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:18:43pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

What I did with my books is I finally got my fiction section in alphabetical order by author and my non-fiction is pretty well categorized. Bios in alpha order, subejct sections, etc.

Years ago, a woman I was dating saw my bookcase, with all the Science Fiction alphabetically by author. She looked at me askance, and asked if I had OCD.

I replied, “No. I just don’t have a TV.”

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:18:44pm

re: #148 Belafon

I’m imagining Melania being forced to do Viagra commercials after Lamarr gets impeached. She could finish with “Viagra is so good, I even have sex with Donald.”

I suspect it’s more like Viagra is so horrifying that it creates a situation where she has to have sex with Donald. Gold-diggers didn’t always have to put up with that.

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calochortus  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:19:01pm

re: #147 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

Super-jealous. I just cleaned my kitchen floor with spray-cleaner and paper-towels, due to the lack of a mop. You’re fancy.

And, I dry it with a couple rags, which I step on and kind of scoot around with. No bending required.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:19:43pm

re: #154 calochortus

And, I dry it with a couple rags, which I step on and kind of scoot around with. No bending required.

I use ratty old towels for that.

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Belafon  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:20:13pm

re: #153 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

I suspect it’s more like Viagra is so horrifying that it creates a situation where she has to have sex with Donald. Gold-diggers didn’t always have to put up with that.

I was thinking in terms of a television commercial.

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Birth Control Works  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:20:26pm

Do You Read More Books Than The Average American?

Pew Research Center just released their reading data for 2016, and I know you’re all wondering whether you read more books than the average American. As long as you’re one of the 73 percent of people in the United States who have at least attempted to read one book in the last year, you’re in good standing. Here’s what Pew has to say about U.S. residents’ reading habits.

People are still reading, and — with the exception of e-book reading — their habits remain largely unchanged. Yes, despite what you may have heard, books are still just as popular today as they were when Pew began to track U.S. reading data five years ago. The average American still reads just four books per year, and the typical American reads 12.

Women read more than men. This has not changed in the last decade, at least. A typical man reads nine books in a year, while a typical woman reads 15. Women are also more patient readers than men, but — because Pew counts books as read whether you finish them or not — this reading habit has no bearing on their reading statistics. Additionally, the sexes consume e-books and audiobooks at equal rates.

There’s still some bad news, however. More than one-quarter — 26 percent, in fact — of the population didn’t read at all in 2015.

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calochortus  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:20:30pm

re: #155 The Vicious Babushka

When the ratty old towels get bad enough they become “rags” in my house.

And now I’m really going to go get to work.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:20:55pm

re: #154 calochortus

And, I dry it with a couple rags, which I step on and kind of scoot around with. No bending required.

Fortunately being on my hands and knees doesn’t hurt anymore, like it did when I was out of shape. You take being able to move freely less for granted once you’ve experienced the aches and pains from letting yourself go.

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makeitstop  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:22:12pm

re: #149 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

Boxes? Sounds like you have a major infestation.

Three. One on each floor of the house. We’re all about the kitty comfort around here. :)

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:23:50pm

re: #160 makeitstop

Three. One on each floor of the house. We’re all about the kitty comfort around here. :)

I’m sure it avoids conflicts if there’s more than one cat. I prefer to have two around, but my current cat was screwed up by another of my cats to the point where she hates other cats, so now she’ll be my only cat for some time to come.

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Belafon  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:24:12pm

re: #157 Birth Control Works

Do You Read More Books Than The Average American?

Why would you need to read if you’re going to vote for Trump?

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Arkansawyer  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:24:53pm

re: #145 Kragar

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I let out one of those snorting laughs when I saw that story earlier. Got some odd looks from the coworkers.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:26:34pm

re: #162 Belafon

Why would you need to read if you’re going to vote for Trump?

Because we might wind up without electricity under a Trump maladministration?

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Kragar  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:26:41pm

re: #157 Birth Control Works

9 books in one year?

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?

I call 9 books a slow month.

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Belafon  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:27:43pm

re: #165 Kragar

9 books in one year?

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?

I call 9 books a slow month.

The three books I’m reading right now, one on Raspberry Pi, one on Abstract Algebra, and a book on ANTLR, take me a while to get through.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:28:17pm

re: #165 Kragar

9 books in one year?

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?

I call 9 books a slow month.

I would have at 20, but now I read less than 9 a year. There are a lot of other entertainment options these days.

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darthstar  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:28:45pm

If Moses won’t come to the mountain, the mountain will come to Moses.

This is on Alpine Meadows road. The rain stopped, apparently, but with another 5-7 feet of snow expected in the next 48 hours, I think Siig will be digging out for a while.

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darthstar  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:30:00pm

re: #168 darthstar

If Moses won’t come to the mountain, the mountain will come to Moses.

This is on Alpine Meadows road. The rain stopped, apparently, but with another 5-7 feet of snow expected in the next 48 hours, I think Siig will be digging out for a while.

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Estimated snow wall was 15-20 feet when it hit his avy barrier (that saved the garage).

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makeitstop  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:32:43pm

re: #161 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

I’m sure it avoids conflicts if there’s more than one cat. I prefer to have two around, but my current cat was screwed up by another of my cats to the point where she hates other cats, so now she’ll be my only cat for some time to come.

We also have three cats - our oldest, Trixie (immortalized in the LGF Image Library), plus a pair of brother and sister kittens we adopted back in October. The smallest kitten lives in fear of our dog, and her safe space is our upstairs bathroom - so there’s gotta be one in there.

The one on the main floor gets the most use, by Trixie and Bean the boy kitten (who has made fast friends with the dog).

Here’s Trixie, just cause…

Do YOU have a World Day? Thought not.
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:33:51pm

“The average American still reads just four books per year, and the typical American reads 12.”

Wait, what?

Okay, so I looked into it. 4 is the Median number. 12 is the Mean. When you get that big a separation between Median and Mean, you have some SERIOUS skew. Best bet is shit load of people reading 0-1 book a year, with a small number reading a fuckton.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:34:37pm

re: #168 darthstar

If Moses won’t come to the mountain, the mountain will come to Moses.

This is on Alpine Meadows road. The rain stopped, apparently, but with another 5-7 feet of snow expected in the next 48 hours, I think Siig will be digging out for a while.

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“I TOLD YOU! DON’T open the door!”

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:35:13pm

re: #26 EPR-radar

So, if Satan himself took a vacation from Hell to become President of the US, would his record to date be any worse than Trump’s?

It’s hard to see how this could be possible.

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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:36:52pm

re: #171 Blind Frog Belly White

“The average American still reads just four books per year, and the typical American reads 12.”

Wait, what?

Okay, so I looked into it. 4 is the Median number. 12 is the Mean. When you get that big a separation between Median and Mean, you have some SERIOUS skew. Best bet is shit load of people reading 0-1 book a year, with a small number reading a fuckton.

When I was in high school, quantities went: shitload, fuckton, brick. A brick was a LOT.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:40:12pm

re: #174 wrenchwench

When I was in high school, quantities went: shitload, fuckton, brick. A brick was a LOT.

We had shitload, but fuckton and brick were not in our curriculum.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:41:52pm

re: #170 makeitstop

We also have three cats - our oldest, Trixie (immortalized in the LGF Image Library), plus a pair of brother and sister kittens we adopted back in October. The smallest kitten lives in fear of our dog, and her safe space is our upstairs bathroom - so there’s gotta be one in there.

The one on the main floor gets the most use, by Trixie and Bean the boy kitten (who has made fast friends with the dog).

Here’s Trixie, just cause…

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Cool pattern, but the look on her face makes me think I’d draw back a stump if I tried to pet her.

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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:43:20pm

re: #175 Blind Frog Belly White

We had shitload, but fuckton and brick were not in our curriculum.

Ah. See, I went to high school in California. We had a fuckton of bricks. The between-classes curriculum.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:44:37pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:45:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:46:20pm
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Eventual Carrion  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:46:47pm

re: #6 baileylamb

Maybe I don’t need to look both ways before crossing the street.

I have so much faith in humanity that I look both ways before crossing a one way street.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:47:01pm

Is POTUS speech tonight?

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darthstar  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:48:04pm

re: #172 Blind Frog Belly White

“I TOLD YOU! DON’T open the door!”

I’m surprised it stayed on its hinges.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:48:43pm

re: #183 Stanley Sea

Is POTUS speech tonight?

yes. 8pm central time, IIRC

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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:48:50pm

re: #182 Eventual Carrion

I have so much faith in humanity that I look both ways before crossing a one way street.

‘One Way’ seems to be a suggestion. So does ‘Stop’.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:49:16pm

re: #183 Stanley Sea

Is POTUS speech tonight?

Better question. Is Trump live tweeting the event?

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BlueGrl21  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:50:01pm

After we lost the election and it was very apparent that 2016 was going to go down in flames, I felt the need to do something to keep my sanity….which was not feeling all that lively.

I went and got a tattoo of a phoenix on the inside of my right wrist. Keep in mind, I only have one other, tiny tattoo. I am not a highly-inked girl. But I knew it was going to get really rough as things began to metaphorically burn in the country and I knew this time we weren’t going to get by with a small brush fire. We’re going to be 5 alarm.

So every time a new story, a new hearing, a new tweet, a new outrage hits….and they are going to be coming fast and hard over the next 2 weeks, my friends, it will be constant….I look at that tattoo and remind myself we’re burning right now. We’re descending into the belly of the beast before we can walk back out again.

The authoritarian rot in this country was allowed to build up for too long. Now we’re like a choked forest that just took a huge lightning strike. We’ve got to go up in flames first. And i’d rather have a giant inferno than a slow burn.

The Republican party cannot govern. It simply cannot. It is making that fact extraordinarily obvious. Good.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:51:06pm
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Belafon  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:53:20pm

re: #189 Stanley Sea

I think he should be put in a box that’s barely taller than he is, but I’m not surprised they chose death if they convicted him.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:55:27pm

re: #182 Eventual Carrion

I have so much faith in humanity that I look both ways before crossing a one way street.

I also check above me. Some drivers will pass on any side they can manage.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:56:21pm

It seemed easy to label those who claimed the right wing wanted to return us to 1859 as being merely hyperbolic and paranoid.

As it turns out, this was not the case. Every single worst case scenario in this election is coming true. Virtually every single post is being filled with the most vile person for the job- the person most likely to deconstruct his department entirely with no regard for repurcussions or literal fallout. This country will never be the same again. A torch is being passed away from the USA as far as medical, ethical, social, and scientific leadership. It is up to the rest of the world now to pick up the slack that we as a country have allowed to occur.

Enjoy the coming dark age, middle America. Through your selfishness, your fear, and your hate, you have earned the terrible calamity that is only a few years away, at most.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2017 • 1:58:33pm

pictures from the power plant explosion here earlier today:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:01:30pm

re: #192 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Enjoy the coming dark age, middle America. Through your selfishness, your fear, and your hate, you have earned the terrible calamity that is only a few years away, at most.

Even in my most optimistic moments I realize that things are gonna have to get a lot worse before they can even start to get the least bit better.

And that is my best-case scenario…

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Joe Bacon  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:05:07pm

Just got back from my Dr and he’s throwing the mother of all holy fits over this!

Me? I remember when I had the measles when I was 6 years old. I was bedridden for 3 weeks. Barely able to eat because my throat hurt so much. itched so bad, had a scabby patch on my chin and my eyes just hurt so much. I was barely able to walk to the bathroom to use the john. Mom and Dad were worried sick about me, they took turns staying in the room. Neighbors also came in to relieve them.

Still felt so bad when I got well and went back to school and found out a couple schoolmates died from measles.

Now we have these insane idiots who were marching in Los Angeles opposing Jerry Brown’s backing of a mandatory child vaccination bill.

And Booby Kennedy is now siding with Trump about “voluntary” vaccinations. Booby doesn’t realize that he’s playing into Republican hands and helping them in their plans to “thin the ranks” by destroying the ACA, Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare.

Make NO mistake about it. The Republicans talk the Jesus talk but they walk that Ayn Randian Social Darwinist walk. They believe in the survival of the fittest and the death of those who they consider weak. They want to bring back the Nazi Eugenics scheme.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:05:29pm
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Joe Bacon  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:08:01pm

re: #196 Backwoods_Sleuth

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L’il Dylann wants to be a martyr for the White Race. And that is precisely what those fucking pieces of shit Richard Spencer, David Duke and Chuck C Johnson will turn him into…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:08:23pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:12:42pm

A couple points regarding Trump and his anti-vax causing Autism and Robert Kennedy Jr being an anti-vaxer.

Remember back around election time I had posted that video of the person that watch Trump’s youngest boy’s actions during all the campaign activities and especially when Trump was doing the victory speech?

The video contended that maybe the young Trump was on the autism spectrum. When you add Trump’s speech about how a “perfect child” gets a big shot full of vaccines and then becomes autistic it made him wonder. He seemed pretty passionate about that.

Who would be a more perfect child than his own? Look how close he is to his own and how they are his crew. If his child was diagnosed autistic I can very well see him falling into the anti-vax thinking.

Why would he so early on into his administration set up a committee on vaccine safety? He could easily do this in a few months or so?

Now I don’t know anything about his child and if or if he is not autistic, but all of this sure makes me wonder. Trump making vaccinations a big thing compared to The Holocaust sure seems very personal. And Trump would most likely never admit or would keep the diagnosis as secret as he could. He could even see it as a flaw and there is never any flaws in a Trump. But he sure would do everything he could to find a blame if one of his own was autistic.

As far as Robert Kennedy Jr., he sure has had a sketchy life. Read up on him. He has a very interesting background full of all kinds of questions…from drug use to extreme stances and actions on his pet issues like the environment. The guy is a complex puzzle. Being against vaccinations is one of his pet issues.

I guess I question how much I would trust him on anything. He can be all over the place. But he sure does seem to fit the pattern of people Trump is picking for all these positions.

I guess I am in a complete not trusting mood when it comes to anything Trump. Call me suspicious.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:14:23pm
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BlueGrl21  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:14:41pm

re: #190 Belafon

I think he should be put in a box that’s barely taller than he is, but I’m not surprised they chose death if they convicted him.

I am not a death penalty supporter but I also know that if a black man can get the death penalty for killing 1 person in SC, not giving the death penalty to Dylan Roof would be sickening. A white man kills 9 black churchgoers in a deliberately planned and racially motivated crime and doesn’t get the death penalty for it when there are black men on death row in SC for killing one person? Nope. He needed to be sentenced to death.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:15:52pm
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b.d.  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:17:31pm

D’oh! Whoda thunk?!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:17:58pm
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makeitstop  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:18:54pm

re: #176 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

Cool pattern, but the look on her face makes me think I’d draw back a stump if I tried to pet her.

Nah, she’s a sweetie. Just looks a little rough.

In other news - WTF is this???

They fucking KNOW that Putin’s got the goods on Trump? And they’re doing nothing?

What. The. Ever. Loving. Fuck.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:19:50pm
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darthstar  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:22:25pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Targetpractice  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:24:44pm

So either Putin intended to blackmail Trump or, more likely, he intended to toss this shit out there the first time he wanted to proceed unhindered and let the media feeding frenzy keep us paralyzed until it was too late.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:26:11pm

And tomorrow’s scheduled press conference cancelled in T-minus….

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:26:26pm

Who will Putin invade on January 21st?

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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:27:09pm

The Sessions hearing and the Kennedy/autism thing were (attempted) distractions.

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scottslemmons  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:27:21pm

re: #210 GlutenFreeJesus

Who will Putin invade on the January 21st?

Considering he owns Trump and there won’t be anyone watching our nuclear stockpile… maybe us?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:29:27pm

We won’t know the truth about Trump and Russia until Kellyann goes on TV. re: #210 GlutenFreeJesus

Who will Putin invade on the January 21st?

I hope it’s Alabama.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:29:38pm

Maybe he’ll shoot someone on 5th Ave. That would certainly create a distraction.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:30:48pm

re: #212 scottslemmons

WOLVERINES!!!!!!!!!!!!

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makeitstop  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:31:11pm

So what the fuck do we do now?

Let this compromised fucking moron take office?

What the fuck do we do now?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:32:41pm

We didn’t they release this info before the $@#%#@$%# election!

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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:33:00pm

re: #213 I Would Prefer Not To

Who will Putin invade on the January 21st?

I hope it’s Alabama.

We have lizards there. Not enough for a proper greeting committee.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:33:10pm

On the plus side, Trump will never hold a real press conference.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:33:12pm

So Comey tells Trump that he’s compromised by Russia. Uh, James… WTF is wrong with you? This could have all been avoided if you really actually stood by your comment that “The FBI doesn’t comment on ongoing investigations”, asshole.

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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:38:05pm

re: #216 makeitstop

So what the fuck do we do now?

Let this compromised fucking moron take office?

What the fuck do we do now?

I know what the wingnuts will do.

They will say this is all BS and the intelligence community is out to paint Trump compromised and an election stealing president to make him look bad.

In other words blame Obama!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:39:18pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:40:15pm

re: #216 makeitstop

So what the fuck do we do now?

Let this compromised fucking moron take office?

What the fuck do we do now?

At this point? Not a damned thing we can do. This is shit that should have been presented to the public weeks to months ago, but it wasn’t for whatever reason. I will say this, if Obama truly did sit on this information because he figured that Hillary had the election in the bag, then the man’s legacy will have been setting the stage for the most corrupt administration in American history.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:40:21pm

re: #221 ObserverArt

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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:41:58pm

re: #224 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

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It fits!!!

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:43:08pm

re: #216 makeitstop

So what the fuck do we do now?

Let this compromised fucking moron take office?

What the fuck do we do now?

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:44:09pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:44:30pm

What would a Trump string be without cogent commentary from our comrades at DPRK News?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:45:24pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:45:24pm

Perhaps the intelligence community is putting this out there so Trump has to take a tougher stance with the Russians.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:45:46pm

re: #220 GlutenFreeJesus

And what was that FBI page that was leaking shit after being dormant for like a year? They haven’t posted anything since election day have they???

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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:45:48pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:45:55pm

re: #227 Unshaken Defiance

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Awww…nuts!

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Stanley Sea  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:47:12pm

Worth watching this.

YUUUGE

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Targetpractice  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:47:53pm

re: #232 wrenchwench

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So what was rumor months ago has now been confirmed as fact, that the Trump campaign was in communication with a foreign gov’t.

But EMAILS!!!!1111//////

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:48:09pm

Why would any of this bother Trump? All the shit he’s said during the campaign got him elected. He thinks he’s untouchable. It won’t change a thing as far as his behavior.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:48:47pm

hahahahahaha
*wipes eyes*
BWAHAHAHAAAA

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darthstar  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:50:00pm
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darthstar  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:52:03pm
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Skip Intro  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:52:35pm
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darthstar  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:52:37pm

How fucked are we? Let’s not count the ways just yet…results are still coming in.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:53:33pm

re: #181 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Doesn’t this guy have a fucking solid answer for anything? All this wishy-washy “well possibly”, “I’m not sure”. Only think he seems really solid on is when he lies.

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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:53:34pm

Comey needs to serve a sentence.

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BlueGrl21  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:53:41pm

re: #216 makeitstop

So what the fuck do we do now?

Let this compromised fucking moron take office?

What the fuck do we do now?

We let the information finally come out. No one in the government would release it so it had to be done via the press.

There are 32 memos they have to independently corroborate…that’s why they haven’t released the details. CNN’s work to confirm them will ultimately make the case for impeachment.

Apparently, John McCain gave the memos to the FBI in December, after the election…they already had some, McCain gave them more. Anyone think McCain wouldn’t consider it the height of his career to take down Donald Trump for working with the Russians? To expose Putin as well and blow up a relationship Putin has apparently been cultivating for over 5 years? He and Lindsey Graham are already working on it.

The pieces are lining up but CNN has to feed the information into the public arena and be VERY careful to do some actual journalisming. Then McCain and Co. can run with it.

Won’t be in time to keep him out of the presidency, but watching the inauguration flailing will be fun anyway.

THIS is when it’s time to pop popcorn and watch. I am so, so very confident this is going to be the checkmate.

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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:54:23pm

Trumps is in a tough spot now with Comey.

It’s going to be difficult to call out the guy that may have helped you get elected.

We’re going to need a lot of this…

Just the right amount for keeping track of Political and Slanted News
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Belafon  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:55:49pm

Sadly, it would not have changed a whole lot of minds be because EMAIL (and SOCIALISM if Sanders were the nominee).

I would lime to see the details, but I wonder if the Intel community is saying to Trump “Look at what we can release if you fuck with us.” Then again, I’d say that and then release it.

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darthstar  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:55:55pm
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Stanley Sea  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:56:07pm

re: #232 wrenchwench

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That was covered.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:56:38pm

re: #235 Targetpractice

So what was rumor months ago has now been confirmed as fact, that the Trump campaign was in communication with a foreign gov’t.

But EMAILS!!!!1111//////

McCain was contacted.

Everyone knew.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:57:15pm

Can’t Obama fire Comey? Don’t care if Trump rehires him. Just want to see him suffer a little.

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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:58:28pm

re: #248 Stanley Sea

That was covered.

But not as ‘the lede’. Some burying occurred.

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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2017 • 2:59:48pm

Now is the time the optimists will be divided from the pessimists. I feel kind of middling.

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BlueGrl21  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:00:05pm

re: #249 Stanley Sea

McCain was contacted.

Everyone knew.

From the CNN article:

“CNN has also learned that on December 9, Senator John McCain gave a full copy of the memos — dated from June through December, 2016 — to FBI Director James Comey. McCain became aware of the memos from a former British diplomat who had been posted in Moscow. But the FBI had already been given a set of the memos compiled up to August 2016, when the former MI6 agent presented them to an FBI official in Rome, according to national security officials.”

The diplomat gave the agent’s data to McCain when the FBI sat on it. Back channel.

This is going to be gorgeous.

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Skip Intro  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:00:13pm

re: #88 Patricia Kayden

Yep. Consumption based = people who use the services/buy the products pay all the taxes. That means our taxes will be going up. Wonder if Trump’s poorly educated voters are slowly waking up to the nightmare.

And “border-adjusted” = tariffs that the little people will pay for too.

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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:01:38pm

re: #253 BlueGrl21

This is going to be gorgeous.

There’s an optimist!

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Targetpractice  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:02:00pm

re: #253 BlueGrl21

From the CNN article:

“CNN has also learned that on December 9, Senator John McCain gave a full copy of the memos — dated from June through December, 2016 — to FBI Director James Comey. McCain became aware of the memos from a former British diplomat who had been posted in Moscow. But the FBI had already been given a set of the memos compiled up to August 2016, when the former MI6 agent presented them to an FBI official in Rome, according to national security officials.”

McCain waited until after the election because no one thought Trump would win. But the FBI had the set through August, McCain had the rest of the year.

This is going to be gorgeous.

So McCain had info that could have blown a hole into Trump’s campaign, but he decided “The clown can’t get elected” and decided to sit on it until a month after the election.

Totally believable.////

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:02:04pm

re: #253 BlueGrl21

From the CNN article:

“CNN has also learned that on December 9, Senator John McCain gave a full copy of the memos — dated from June through December, 2016 — to FBI Director James Comey. McCain became aware of the memos from a former British diplomat who had been posted in Moscow. But the FBI had already been given a set of the memos compiled up to August 2016, when the former MI6 agent presented them to an FBI official in Rome, according to national security officials.”

McCain waited until after the election because no one thought Trump would win. But the FBI had the set through August, McCain had the rest of the year.

This is going to be gorgeous.

Lovely. Man this whole thing makes me sick. We literally elected an agent of a hostile foreign government.

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darthstar  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:02:15pm

re: #253 BlueGrl21

From the CNN article:

“CNN has also learned that on December 9, Senator John McCain gave a full copy of the memos — dated from June through December, 2016 — to FBI Director James Comey. McCain became aware of the memos from a former British diplomat who had been posted in Moscow. But the FBI had already been given a set of the memos compiled up to August 2016, when the former MI6 agent presented them to an FBI official in Rome, according to national security officials.”

McCain waited until after the election because no one thought Trump would win. But the FBI had the set through August, McCain had the rest of the year.

This is going to be gorgeous.

McCain is only concerned about one person, John McCain. And he’ll play his cards close to his chest (damn the country or party) to further himself.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:02:53pm

re: #256 Targetpractice

So McCain had info that could have blown a hole into Trump’s campaign, but he decided “The clown can’t get elected” and decided to sit on it until a month after the election.

Totally believable.////

Hard to believe that if McCain had Intel that Obama didn’t.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:02:53pm

re: #256 Targetpractice

So McCain had info that could have blown a hole into Trump’s campaign, but he decided “The clown can’t get elected” and decided to sit on it until a month after the election.

Totally believable.////

If that’s true, I want McCain gone too. I don’t care if you thought Trump wouldn’t win. All the more reason to release it.

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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:02:59pm

re: #257 HappyWarrior

Lovely. Man this whole thing makes me sick. We literally elected an agent of a hostile foreign government.

Pessimist!

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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:03:02pm

What part will Assange play in all this now? Somehow he is going to figure in…maybe say he has the goods on The Don and will soon release them like he did the DNC stuff.

Drip…drip…drip.

And just like Comey, should Assange be a bag man so to say, Trump will have a hard time to slime Julian because he used Wikileaks in all his claims.

You can really let your mind wander with all of this…a real cold war spy story come to life.

With damn real consequences for all.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:03:33pm

This whole thing is just a bad dream.

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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:03:33pm

re: #258 darthstar

McCain is only concerned about one person, John McCain. And he’ll play his cards close to his chest (damn the country or party) to further himself.

Realist!

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makeitstop  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:03:36pm

re: #252 wrenchwench

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Now is the time the optimists will be divided from the pessimists. I feel kind of middling.

I’m so pissed I could put my hand through a wall right now.

Everybody knew this, and no one did anything to stop it?

Nobody thought it was kind of important?

I’m fucking stunned. Not surprised, but stunned.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:04:09pm

re: #258 darthstar

McCain is only concerned about one person, John McCain. And he’ll play his cards close to his chest (damn the country or party) to further himself.

Yeah McCain is an ass too.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:05:00pm

All that fucking bullshit about the emails and they knew this. Man. I just don’t even know anymore.

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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:05:07pm

re: #265 makeitstop

I’m so pissed I could put my hand through a wall right now.

Everybody knew this, and no one did anything to stop it?

Nobody thought it was kind of important?

I’m fucking stunned. Not surprised, but stunned.

Middling. It’s hard to know where to turn from here. Because it’s hard to know where we are.

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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:05:50pm

I miss the jackhammers.

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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:07:31pm

re: #268 wrenchwench

Middling. It’s hard to know where to turn from here. Because it’s hard to know where we are.

I with you wrench. This story has been all over the place and now is touching a lot of people. All we can do really is watch. Hopefully we can clearly see some truth in actual facts.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:08:02pm

re: #269 wrenchwench

I miss the jackhammers.

If I ever record an album, this will be the title.

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Targetpractice  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:08:42pm

So how does the GOP play this? Seriously, after months of screaming that Hillary probably put national secrets at risk and couldn’t be trusted because Russia had likely compromised her, and now they’ve got to address the reality that their own candidate has been compromised and may very well be at the mercy of a foreign gov’t.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:09:53pm

re: #272 Targetpractice

So how does the GOP play this? Seriously, after months of screaming that Hillary probably put national secrets at risk and couldn’t be trusted because Russia had likely compromised her, and now they’ve got to address the reality that their own candidate has been compromised and may very well be at the mercy of a foreign gov’t.

They’ll find an excuse, believe me. This really is disturbing as hell. I mean bad enough already that Trump got nominated and elected. But this is really really bad.

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scottslemmons  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:10:21pm

re: #272 Targetpractice

So how does the GOP play this? Seriously, after months of screaming that Hillary probably put national secrets at risk and couldn’t be trusted because Russia had likely compromised her, and now they’ve got to address the reality that their own candidate has been compromised and may very well be at the mercy of a foreign gov’t.

How will they play it? They’ll smile and applaud.

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darthstar  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:10:31pm

re: #267 HappyWarrior

All that fucking bullshit about the emails and they knew this. Man. I just don’t even know anymore.

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Skip Intro  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:10:33pm

re: #189 Stanley Sea

Someone should ask Beauregard if the death penalty is appropriate for a white guy who kills black people. I’m thinking maybe just some counseling, followed by a job as a cop would be enough.

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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:10:37pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:10:39pm

re: #272 Targetpractice

So how does the GOP play this? Seriously, after months of screaming that Hillary probably put national secrets at risk and couldn’t be trusted because Russia had likely compromised her, and now they’ve got to address the reality that their own candidate has been compromised and may very well be at the mercy of a foreign gov’t.

Even better, they knew but sat on the info because they did not think it was necessary and wanted to save themselves embarrassment.

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:11:01pm

re: #157 Birth Control Works

Do You Read More Books Than The Average American?

I read, on average, 50+ books annually.

I can’t fathom people who don’t ever read. That’s so depressing.

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BlueGrl21  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:11:22pm

re: #256 Targetpractice

So McCain had info that could have blown a hole into Trump’s campaign, but he decided “The clown can’t get elected” and decided to sit on it until a month after the election.

Totally believable.////

Not sure if McCain had them before December 9th and sat on them. I don’t know when McCain obtained the memos. That was my own speculation and i changed my original post.

We know the FBI had them way before.

Yes, John McCain is only out for himself. He’s a vicious SOB. And Trump humiliated him, called him a coward, insulted his military service. McCain hates him. This is absolutely personal.

I want Trump GONE. I think this is how it happens. I see how the chess pieces are laid out and who is pulling the strings. Now just want to know if there’s enough in those memos to do the job.

Oh, and WHAT…THE…FUCK, COMEY?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:11:25pm

re: #275 darthstar

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Das Voadanya!

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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:11:26pm

Just remembered…Outgoing President Obama makes his final address tonight just as all this comes out.

Damn. That speech could take a whole new tone.

Something along the lines of “America, look what you’ve done now.” You people need to start to see this is a lesson…I’m heading out. I tried to tell you about some of this, but NO. Way to fucking go!”

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darthstar  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:11:29pm

re: #277 wrenchwench

Yep.

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:12:21pm

re: #158 calochortus

When the ratty old towels get bad enough they become “rags” in my house.

And now I’m really going to go get to work.

Did you happen to see my littlegreenfootballs.com to you in a prior thread?

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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:12:21pm

re: #278 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Even better, they knew but sat on the info because they did not think it was necessary and wanted to save themselves embarrassment.

They thought ‘embarrassment’ was the only thing they’d suffer if Trump won the general.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:13:29pm

re: #272 Targetpractice

So how does the GOP play this? Seriously, after months of screaming that Hillary probably put national secrets at risk and couldn’t be trusted because Russia had likely compromised her, and now they’ve got to address the reality that their own candidate has been compromised and may very well be at the mercy of a foreign gov’t.

They will totally blame Obama because Obama knew about all of this before the election.

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darthstar  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:13:30pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:13:30pm

re: #272 Targetpractice

So how does the GOP play this? Seriously, after months of screaming that Hillary probably put national secrets at risk and couldn’t be trusted because Russia had likely compromised her, and now they’ve got to address the reality that their own candidate has been compromised and may very well be at the mercy of a foreign gov’t.

And I still believe the Russians may have stuff on other GOP members.

There has to be some sweating occurring on Capitol Hill the last few days.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:14:05pm

The letter’s been found

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:14:17pm

re: #279 MsJ

I read, on average, 50+ books annually.

I can’t fathom people who don’t ever read. That’s so depressing.

I re-read a lot. History books.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:16:26pm

To be fair (not sure to whom), they made the point that the info about Trump comes from a credible source, but hasn’t been verified. There really would have been a shit show if this had come out before the election, and it would have reflected poorly on anyone who released it.

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scottslemmons  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:16:38pm

re: #279 MsJ

I read, on average, 50+ books annually.

I can’t fathom people who don’t ever read. That’s so depressing.

I managed to get 54 last year, but it seemed like an exceptionally productive year for book-reading…

I once worked at a small newspaper where no one had ever heard of Ray Bradbury. That was really depressing as hell.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:16:47pm
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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:17:25pm

The Republican Party owns this.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:17:32pm
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Skip Intro  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:17:36pm

re: #293 Backwoods_Sleuth

We say that about every day now.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:18:30pm

re: #289 Stanley Sea

The letter’s been found

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Awesome.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:18:32pm
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calochortus  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:18:38pm

re: #279 MsJ

I read, on average, 50+ books annually.

I can’t fathom people who don’t ever read. That’s so depressing.

You mean people like Trump?

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Skip Intro  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:18:51pm

re: #294 wrenchwench

The Republican Party owns this.

Get ready for BENGHAZI! The Sequel starting next week.

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SirMixALot  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:18:57pm

I can’t believe Robert Kennedy Jr. of all people would agree to be in the Trump Administration even if he gets his way on vaccines. He’s an environmentalist for Christ sake. A Kennedy. He will destroy his family name!

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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:20:10pm

Did the Russians start the Tea Party? Because that’s where I saw Trump coming from. And what could sow more confusion than a political ‘Party’ that was never a real Party?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:20:11pm

re: #301 SirMixALot

I can’t believe Robert Kennedy Jr. of all people would agree to be in the Trump Administration even if he gets his way on vaccines. He’s an environmentalist for Christ sake. A Kennedy. He will destroy his family name!

Birds of an unvaccinated feather I guess.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:21:45pm

re: #302 wrenchwench

Did the Russians start the Tea Party? Because that’s where I saw Trump coming from. And what could sow more confusion than a political ‘Party’ that was never a real Party?

Honestly, I don’t know. Here’s what I think though. I think the Russians have a two pronged attack. They want to influence the American right to be more sympathetic to them hence the rise of Russophila in the right and GOP in recent years. This has been made easier since after Bush, the GOP really had no defacto leader. And I think they work to sow division within the left via attacks on Obama and Clinton’s purity.

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BlueGrl21  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:21:58pm

My husband has a basketball game tonight. I love this group of players. The team is having a great year and they are constantly at my house. I must pay very close attention to said game and to my boys, including their coach.

But damn it, this is the news I have been WAITING to see come out for months. And now it’s about to be pouring out. And I’m going to be trying to watch it all flow and watch a basketball game and not get caught on my phone!

About goddamn time.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:22:47pm

This is just about the craziest news story ever. It’s like something out of a movie.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:23:09pm

pay no attention to CNN:

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:23:29pm

I have wondered for a while whether Comey was a useful idiot, fellow traveler, or an active agent. Still wondering.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:23:32pm

Guys, seriously, you don’t have much time left to be angry, speechless or stunned. Just quietly & pragmatically prepare yourselves for the coming uncertainty and instability. The lighter, more flexible and mobile that plan is the better. I’m not talking about end of the world fantasies involving bartering in gold or farming your front yard with freedom seeds, but you should have a plan to deal with whatever short term disruptive crisis Trump’s inauguration and early administration generates. Because he’s going to need an immediate, shocking event to distract from how he got elected and his team has absolutely no ethical qualms whatsoever about holding onto power now that they have it. He and his people know they have to feed their minority of fanatical supporters a narrative that they’re in an existential fight for the American way of life, even as he destroys it.

Remember, you can’t possibly make good decisions in any of the likely future disruptive scenarios if you’re unprepared, hungry, pinched or panicked.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:24:14pm

Remeber Rick’s tease?

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:25:38pm

re: #305 BlueGrl21

I just canceled a social engagement. This happened, and pouring rain.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:26:05pm

re: #310 Stanley Sea

Remeber Rick’s tease?

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I think it was something that happened with a beauty contestant. Perhaps sexual assault or under-aged. Something that would ruin him not merely politically but could put him in jail.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:26:20pm

I don’t know if this has been addressed in prior threads or not, but watching the Jeff Sessions confirmation procedure has raised a couple important questions to me.

First, is Sessions’ testimony considered to be sworn under oath?
And second, if it is, what are the penalties for him perjuring himself in the answers he’s giving? Because I’ve counted at least a half dozen times that he’s contradicted himself so far.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:26:33pm

I just sit here thinking “My God what the hell did we do?”

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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:26:46pm

re: #309 goddamnedfrank

Guys, seriously, you don’t have much time left to be angry, speechless or stunned. Just quietly & pragmatically prepare yourselves for the coming uncertainty and instability. The lighter, more flexible and mobile that plan is the better. I’m not talking about end of the world fantasies involving bartering in gold or farming your front yard with freedom seeds, but you should have a plan to deal with whatever short term disruptive crisis Trump’s inauguration and early administration generates. Because he’s going to need an immediate, shocking event to distract from how he got elected and his team has no absolutely no ethical qualms whatsoever about holding onto power now that they have it. He and his people know they have to feed their minority of fanatical supporters that they’re in an existential fight for the American way of life, even as he destroys it.

Remember, you can’t possibly make good decisions in any of the likely future disruptive scenarios if you’re unprepared, hungry, pinched or panicked.

I’ll be right over.

/no I won’t. One of my sisters lives too near your area.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:27:27pm

re: #313 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

I don’t know if this has been addressed in prior threads or not, but watching the Jeff Sessions confirmation procedure has raised a couple important questions to me.

First, is Sessions’ testimony considered to be sworn under oath?
And second, if it is, what are the penalties for him perjuring himself in the answers he’s giving? Because I’ve counted at least a half dozen times that he’s contradicted himself so far.

yes, he was under oath.
and he lied over and over

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:27:34pm

Really says something that Trump is everything the right has been projecting about Obama for years.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:28:21pm

It’ll never happen obviously but a re-do of the election sure would be fucking nice right about now.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:29:54pm

I want a “Don’t blame me, I’m from California” t-shirt.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:30:16pm

re: #314 HappyWarrior

I just sit here thinking “My God what the hell did weTHEY do?”

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:31:07pm

re: #319 Resistance Is Not Futile

I want a “Don’t blame me, I’m from California t-shirt.”

Mine says “Don’t blame me, I’m a blue dot in Texas.”

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electrotek  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:33:33pm

Just got a fucking sprained ankle which happened before my run could sufficiently begin and now I can’t even get back home because it’s rush hour. My left ankle is not going to put up with the stress from rush hour traffic with my 5speed manual car.

I’m fucking livid.

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Anymouse  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:38:09pm

re: #321 Ace Rothstein

Mine says “Don’t blame me, I’m a blue dot in Texas.”

Don’t blame me, I’m a blue dot in Nebraska.

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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:39:03pm

re: #322 electrotek

Just got a fucking sprained ankle which happened before my run could sufficiently begin and now I can’t even get back home because it’s rush hour. My left ankle is not going to put up with the stress from rush hour traffic with my 5speed manual car.

I’m fucking livid.

Take a break. Call for a ride. Can you leave your car where it is? Take care of yourself.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:40:17pm

re: #203 b.d.

D’oh! Whoda thunk?!

[Embedded content]

This is some fucked up shit==>

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:45:28pm

re: #299 calochortus

You mean people like Trump?

Unfortunately.

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ckkatz  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:49:54pm

re: #309 goddamnedfrank

Think Reichstag fire…

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gocart mozart  Jan 10, 2017 • 3:55:27pm
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ckkatz  Jan 10, 2017 • 4:08:06pm

re: #302 wrenchwench

Did the Russians start the Tea Party? Because that’s where I saw Trump coming from. And what could sow more confusion than a political ‘Party’ that was never a real Party?

The book Dark Money traces it to the Koch Network who provided the organizers, expertise and seed money.


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