What’s More Dangerous: Leaks, or an Incompetent President Unfit for Office?

The leaks are a symptom, not the disease
Opinion • Views: 28,623

When transcripts of Donald Trump’s calls with foreign leaders were published yesterday by the Washington Post, many people were disturbed that this information was leaked to the press, pointing out that it’s dangerous and destabilizing when a president’s private calls don’t remain private.

And now, our far right Attorney General Jeff Sessions has announced a crackdown on leaks, threatening to begin subpoenaing reporters who publish leaked information.

But this is precisely the wrong lesson to learn from this incident. My take on it is much more in line with this one by Brian Beutler: Keep the Trump Leaks Coming.

The most immediate effect of the disclosures, though, wasn’t to recenter the national political debate on the question of Trump’s obvious unfitness for his job, but to prompt a separate debate over the propriety of the leak.

“Leaking the transcript of a presidential call to a foreign leader is unprecedented, shocking, and dangerous,” argued The Atlantic’s David Frum. “It is vitally important that a president be able to speak confidentially—and perhaps even more important that foreign leaders understand that they can reply in confidence.”

National leaders should indeed need to be able to trust that their discussions with one another will remain secure. But we are far from the point where foreign leaders assume transcripts of their calls with Trump, let alone future presidents, will end up on the front pages. Many have been quick to assume that this leak will have a chilling effect on U.S. relations with other countries, without stopping to ponder the likelihood that some foreign leaders might be relieved to learn that factions within the U.S. government are taking extraordinary steps to weaken this particular president.

If there are norms worth fretting over here, they aren’t the ones that govern whistleblowing, but the ones that should govern what U.S. political leaders do when the president is too incompetent to serve. It is because of their cowardice—their refusal to uphold norms they were elected and appointed to guard—that these transcripts leaked in the first place.

Are leaks like this dangerous? Maybe so. But in my opinion it’s far more dangerous that we have an incompetent, incoherent buffoon in the Oval Office — in an administration that’s increasingly dominated by extreme right wing military members. And that danger needs much more attention, because it’s destroying the standing of the United States in the world community and putting us all in very great peril.

Jump to bottom

306 comments

1
freetoken  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:52:17am

As I tweeted yesterday:

2
gocart mozart  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:56:40am
3
Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:56:41am

And L’il Shkreli has just been convicted of fraud. Guess we’ll see that Wu Tang Clan LP going up for sale on eBay real soon…

4
FormerDirtDart  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:56:52am
5
gocart mozart  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:57:49am
6
gocart mozart  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:58:11am
7
lawhawk  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:58:27am

Sessions compared the massive amount of leaks ongoing to those under Obama.

That’s a great comparison. An administration that was competent with no scandals, let alone investigations versus one in chaos from day 1 (actually from day one of Trump entering the campaign in 2015).

Trump has been a swirling mass of chaos and criminality from the get-go. Nothing he’s done to date has quelled any fears. His actions and statements have revealed a man who is completely out of his element and incapable of speech/conduct befitting the office of the President. He doesn’t know a goddamned thing about anything, and he’s surrounded himself with people who will tell him what he wants to hear, rather than what he needs to hear.

The leaks are coming from all across the White House and his agencies - they’re his staffers. These aren’t some deep state bullshit. It’s vendettas by staffers against others in the WH because they figure throwing others under the bus will help them stick around longer. This too goes back to Trump valuing loyalty over competence.

We’re reaping the folly of all that Trump has done.

8
gocart mozart  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:58:41am
9
gocart mozart  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:59:35am
10
FormerDirtDart  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:59:39am
11
BlueSpotinAL  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:59:47am

Gonna need to wrap my hands with something soft for when I see a bunch of Martin Shkreli pictures, or I will wind up buying another monitor.

12
gocart mozart  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:01:44pm
13
makeitstop  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:02:23pm

re: #8 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

Recliner in Chief.

14
darthstar  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:03:09pm
15
makeitstop  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:04:15pm
16
I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:04:43pm

re: #14 darthstar

[Embedded content]

I think if scientists had a billion years they couldn’t come up with a more punchable face than Martin Shkreli.

18
makeitstop  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:05:08pm
19
FormerDirtDart  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:06:42pm
20
Dr Lizardo  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:07:16pm

re: #14 darthstar

From what I’ve read, he’s looking at the possibility of 20 years in the slammer.

He’s gotta be a little nervous right about now.

Anyone know when he’ll be sentenced? I didn’t see that.

21
Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:08:25pm

re: #3 Joe Bacon 🌹

And L’il Shkreli has just been convicted of fraud. Guess we’ll see that Wu Tang Clan LP going up for sale on eBay real soon…

As for punishment, it appears that the stocks are still legal in this country.

In United States v. Gementera, the defendant was convicted of mail theft and sentenced, among other measures, to stand in front of a post office for eight hours wearing a sandwich board that read: “I stole mail. This is my punishment.” The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit upheld this sentence, finding that the district court did not impose it solely for the purpose of humiliation, but also to serve the criminal-justice goals of deterrence and rehabilitation. The Ninth Circuit further found that the alternative sentence did not violate the Eighth Amendment’s ban on cruel and unusual punishment because it was “within the limits of civilized standards” and was not coupled with a lengthy prison sentence. Gementera suggests, in short, that the U.S. Constitution permits judges to sentence a criminal to the stocks in at least some cases.

In 1989 the Arkansas town of Dermott passed a curfew law punishable by up to thirty days in jail for the offender and up to two days in the stocks for the offender’s parents. The city almost immediately removed the stockade punishment because, among other things, the city did not have a stockade and had allocated no funds to build one.[

Normally I would be against humiliating punishments like this, but this is the Pharma Bro we are talking about. Worth a try anyway.

22
Ace-o-aces  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:09:03pm
23
Big Beautiful Door  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:09:14pm

re: #3 Joe Bacon 🌹

And L’il Shkreli has just been convicted of fraud. Guess we’ll see that Wu Tang Clan LP going up for sale on eBay real soon…

Hope he’s going to prison. Hope Trump joins him eventually.

24
Belafon  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:11:50pm

It takes an arrogant man to do what he did, but I would have probably went for a plea bargain when it was obvious it was hard to find jurors because they all wanted to punch me.

25
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:12:11pm
26
Dave In Austin  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:12:51pm
27
plansbandc  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:13:29pm

Just found out my friend’s 22 year old son was found dead in his apartment. Just so awful.

28
Big Beautiful Door  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:14:47pm

re: #21 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

As for punishment, it appears that the stocks are still legal in this country.

Normally I would be against humiliating punishments like this, but this is the Pharma Bro we are talking about. Worth a try anyway.

I would be for letting Cersei select his punishment; she’s very imaginative!

29
calochortus  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:15:20pm

re: #27 plansbandc

[Embedded content]

How awful. Condolences to everyone involved.

30
Barefoot Grin  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:15:33pm

re: #16 I Would Prefer Not To

I think if scientists had a billion years they couldn’t come up with a more punchable face than Martin Shkreli.

I see your post and then see kragar’s right below and think, “well….”

31
FormerDirtDart  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:16:49pm
32
451_Montag  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:17:29pm

33
Stanley Sea  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:17:34pm

This admin & its typos

34
Big Beautiful Door  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:18:37pm

re: #30 Barefoot Grin

I see your post and then see kragar’s right below and think, “well….”

We should line both of them up with Ted Cruz and let people choose which one to punch to get a scientifically conclusive answer.//

35
Skip Intro  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:18:54pm

re: #8 gocart mozart

Needs to have the two scoops added for accuracy.

36
Stanley Sea  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:19:16pm

re: #4 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

First thing I though of.

37
piratedan  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:19:35pm

well, I can imagine the outrage from the far right regarding the issues with Trump… why? because places like Fox News aren’t talking about it.

So now the question is, why aren’t they talking about it?

I remember everything that took place during the Obama administration that saw the light of day…

Snowden and Manning
ethics of drone warfare
the withdrawal out of Iraq
the lack of withdrawal from Afghanistan
healthcare - ad infinitum
jobs
infrastructure
sequester

now much of this was hard stuff to discuss, but the news media demanded the discussions and the discussions were had….

Now we have the far right essentially ignoring the constitutional crisis that is ongoing and are essentially leaving it up to twitter, facebook and other news outlets describe what is taking place. It’s otherwordly… to simply disregard what is going on.

38
Skip Intro  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:19:53pm

re: #14 darthstar

I hope he goes to jail.

39
Kragar  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:19:56pm
40
makeitstop  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:19:57pm

re: #20 Dr Lizardo

Anyone know when he’ll be sentenced? I didn’t see that.

Can we trade sentencing for a ‘Punch Pharma Bro in the Neck Day?’

41
Dave In Austin  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:20:12pm

Interesting….

42
makeitstop  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:20:43pm

re: #27 plansbandc

[Embedded content]

Oh, no. Condolences.

43
Skip Intro  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:20:51pm

re: #20 Dr Lizardo

From what I’ve read, he’s looking at the possibility of 20 years in the slammer.

He’s gotta be a little nervous right about now.

Anyone know when he’ll be sentenced? I didn’t see that.

That was for all the charges. He was just convicted on three. Maybe no jail at all because he’s a celebrity.

44
Big Beautiful Door  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:22:10pm

re: #33 Stanley Sea

This admin & its typos

[Embedded content]

Hysterical overhype of a jobs number no different than a typical month in the previous six years.

45
Stanley Sea  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:23:35pm

re: #27 plansbandc

:-(

46
dangerman  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:23:37pm

re: #25 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

[Embedded content]God why can’t democrats just get over the election already

if the office was in fact obtained illegally, no one should “get over it”

47
gocart mozart  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:24:47pm
48
dangerman  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:25:39pm

re: #33 Stanley Sea

This admin & its typos

[Embedded content]

well yeah, one american anyway

49
Kragar  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:27:11pm
50
jaunte  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:30:28pm

re: #39 Kragar

Here Are All the Awful Bills Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick Passed in a Week

progresstexas.org

Rural Texas trying to control the cities.

51
Barefoot Grin  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:31:07pm
52
bratwurst  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:35:34pm

Perfect!

53
Belafon  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:36:46pm

re: #39 Kragar

It’s odd how Republicans in Texas are pro-Big Government.

54
gocart mozart  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:37:33pm
55
Big Beautiful Door  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:39:46pm

re: #52 bratwurst

Perfect!

[Embedded content]

He deleted his reference to the fascist he was also meeting with to discuss flipping the accusation of fascism, Sebastian Gorka.

56
Big Beautiful Door  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:40:16pm

re: #53 Belafon

It’s odd how Republicans in Texas are pro-Big Government.

They are Dominionists.

57
Stanley Sea  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:43:41pm
58
makeitstop  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:46:43pm

re: #57 Stanley Sea

Sources confirm to @NBCNews Mueller is using multiple grand juries, incl. in DC and Virginia, for his Russia probe.

And I heard on the radio this morning that he dismissed it all as fake news in WV last night.

I wonder if anyone has attempted to explain to him the true depth of the shit pile he’s in.

59
stpaulbear  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:46:44pm

Wow. I just found out that there was a total solar eclipse for the Twin Cities five days after I was born.

I don’t remember it at all…

60
Jay C  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:46:46pm

re: #33 Stanley Sea

This admin & its typos

[Embedded content]

The typos are the least of it, what’s the follow-up post:

“Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. declares Donald Trump to be the Greatest President in American History!!!”

???

61
Dr Lizardo  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:47:06pm

re: #57 Stanley Sea

Wow.

Trump’s vacation is gonna be pretty shitty, I’m thinking. He’ll be watching FNC and tweeting all day long.

62
Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:47:41pm

re: #32 451_Montag

[Embedded content]

Honestly, I look at Miller’s face and he looks like the kind of guy who used a penis pump for years and it didn’t do anything…

63
Dr Lizardo  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:47:47pm

re: #58 makeitstop

And I heard on the radio this morning that he dismissed it all as fake news in WV last night.

I wonder if anyone has attempted to explain to him the true depth of the shit pile he’s in.

Probably. He just doesn’t get it. That’s the problem.

64
ObserverArt  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:47:54pm

re: #27 plansbandc

[Embedded content]

That is real sad news. Take care of your friend.

65
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:48:19pm

re: #49 Kragar

66
Jay C  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:48:49pm

re: #62 Joe Bacon 🌹

Honestly, I look at Miller’s face and he looks like the kind of guy who used a penis pump for years and it didn’t do anything made it smaller

Fixt

67
Kragar  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:49:08pm

re: #62 Joe Bacon 🌹

Honestly, I look at Miller’s face and he looks like the kind of guy who used a penis pump for years and it didn’t do anything…

Well, he was never able to get it to actually seal due to his shrunken, misshapen genitals

68
makeitstop  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:49:13pm

re: #63 Dr Lizardo

Probably. He just doesn’t get it. That’s the problem.

Am I a bad person for hoping that the full weight of realization happens on live TV?

69
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:50:26pm

re: #52 bratwurst

Perfect!

[Embedded content]

70
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:51:30pm

re: #56 Big Beautiful Door

They are Dominionists.

The cult has been infiltrating our government for years. They’re more dangerous than Scientologists.

71
Dr Lizardo  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:53:24pm

re: #68 makeitstop

Am I a bad person for hoping that the full weight of realization happens on live TV?

I can honestly say I have no idea what that would look like. He’s largely always been able to bluff his way out of any situation, or buy his way out, or simply bullshit or bully his way out.

I think he’ll age 25 years overnight once the realization sinks in……if it ever does.

72
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:55:20pm

re: #71 Dr Lizardo

I can honestly say I have no idea what that would look like. He’s largely always been able to bluff his way out of any situation, or buy his way out, or simply bullshit or bully his way out.

I think he’ll age 25 years overnight once the realization sinks in……if it ever does.

A 96-year-old Donald Trump is a 10-year-dead corpse at best.

73
nines09  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:57:10pm

74
Ace-o-aces  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:57:59pm

re: #52 bratwurst

75
ObserverArt  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:58:24pm

re: #58 makeitstop

And I heard on the radio this morning that he dismissed it all as fake news in WV last night.

I wonder if anyone has attempted to explain to him the true depth of the shit pile he’s in.

I really do not think he understands what is going on. He thinks it is all a political game and he can play with the best of them. He thinks as president he can do anything and say anything because “they all do.”

76
Sir John Barron  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:59:13pm

re: #58 makeitstop

And I heard on the radio this morning that he dismissed it all as fake news in WV last night.

I wonder if anyone has attempted to explain to him the true depth of the shit pile he’s in.

He also led the execrable “Lock Her Up” chants last night, too, from the campaign. Looks like Doofus might be getting locked up instead of HRC.

77
Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:59:26pm

re: #74 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

Yes, the ass is playing to the holes…

78
dangerman  Aug 4, 2017 • 12:59:41pm

in addition to the no-knead pizza dough i posted this morning,

We’re making this no knead bread today

It’s a fave and easier than pie

79
gocart mozart  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:00:04pm
80
Sir John Barron  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:00:41pm

Oh yeah, Hi everybody. I’m back from the two day conference I was attending. I see DJT hasn’t “pivoted” yet, despite the presence of the new former military guy Chief of Staff.

81
gocart mozart  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:01:38pm
82
Sir John Barron  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:01:57pm

re: #25 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

But, you know, her emails and stuff.

//

83
dangerman  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:02:09pm

re: #69 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

[Embedded content]Met with Steve Bannon at the White House today to discuss how President @realDonaldTrump can flip the accusation of fascism back on the Left pic.twitter.com

there’s something bizarre and creepy about why you think this is a good idea at all

84
freetoken  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:02:24pm

The rush to nationalism that the likes of Souza and Gorka desires is part of a wider trend of reactionary anti-modernism.

Here’s a take on the changes going on in Turkey:

How Erdogan’s Identity Project is Shaping Turkey’s Schools

[…]

WPR: What is the current state of Turkey’s education system, and are the problems it faces new or longstanding?

Dr. Lisel Hintz: At its most basic, Turkey’s education system, like many of its other institutions, is a mess. Part of this has to do with the Justice and Development Party (AKP) government’s response to the coup attempt that took place on July 15, 2016. The massive wave of purges that followed were ostensibly aimed at rooting out supporters of exiled Islamic cleric Fethullah Gulen. But the purges also served as a vehicle for eliminating elements of Turkey’s opposition within the police, military, judiciary, civil service and other government branches, including education. In total, approximately 150,000 people have been fired from their jobs and 50,000 people have been arrested under a state of emergency that President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has continued to renew as a way of justifying multiple decrees carrying the force of law. Like all other targeted institutions, Turkey’s education system, from the primary to the university level, suffers from gaping holes left behind by those fired—holes that are often filled based more on party loyalty than on professional merit.

[…]

Loyalty - that is the only qualification a tyrant desires in his underlings.

85
gocart mozart  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:02:26pm
86
gocart mozart  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:03:22pm
87
Jebediah, RBG  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:04:19pm

re: #27 plansbandc

[Embedded content]

So far, my mom has twice been through the awfulness of outliving a child. It really is terrible. My condolences to your friend.

88
sagehen  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:07:07pm

re: #28 Big Beautiful Door

I would be for letting Cersei select his punishment; she’s very imaginative!

Cersei has been known to harshly punish those who don’t deserve punishment.

Sansa is more likely to deliver justice.

89
stpaulbear  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:07:26pm

re: #74 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

He shouldn’t be wearing an orange shirt for videos. Just sayin’…it’s kind of a reminder.

90
Interesting Times  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:09:15pm

re: #12 gocart mozart

This about sums it up:

Facebook Post

91
ObserverArt  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:10:09pm

re: #68 makeitstop

Am I a bad person for hoping that the full weight of realization happens on live TV?

I don’t want to see it, it will not be pretty.

I happen to think if he is forced out he will break down in a fit and really need to be sedated and then taken to a psych ward.

92
ObserverArt  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:11:21pm

re: #73 nines09

[Embedded content]

Does that image happen to be when the verdict was read in the courtroom?

93
gocart mozart  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:11:34pm

A little something about my new avatar.

The Arditi del Popolo (The People’s Daring Ones) was an Italian militant anti-fascist group founded at the end of June 1921 to resist the rise of Benito Mussolini’s National Fascist Party and the violence of the Blackshirts (squadristi) paramilitaries.[1] It grouped revolutionary trade-unionists, socialists, communists, anarchists, republicans, etc., as well as some former military officers, and was co-founded by Mingrino, Argo Secondari, Gino Lucetti - who tried to assassinate Mussolini on 11 September 1926 - the deputy Guido Picelli and others. The Arditi del Popolo were an offshoot of the Arditi elite troops, who had previously occupied Fiume in 1919 behind the poet Gabriele d’Annunzio, who proclaimed the Italian Regency of Carnaro. Those who split to form the Arditi del Popolo were close to the anarchist Argo Secondari and were supported by Mario Carli. The formazioni di difesa proletaria (Proletarian Defense Formations) later merged with them. The Arditi gathered approximately 20,000 members in summer 1921

en.wikipedia.org

94
Dr Lizardo  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:12:35pm

Well, good night Lizards. Another day tomorrow, and who knows what revelations that’ll bring?

95
gocart mozart  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:15:22pm
96
nines09  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:16:37pm

re: #92 ObserverArt

Stock image. From whence I know not. Most likely from a point in time where the shit he was selling smacked him in the face.

97
nines09  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:17:11pm

re: #94 Dr Lizardo

Well, good night Lizards. Another day tomorrow, and who knows what revelations that’ll bring?

98
John Carter  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:17:17pm

re: #22 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

I never understood this whole thing. Was there only one copy?

Why did it not show up on the million or so sharing sites?

99
ObserverArt  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:17:35pm

re: #95 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

Interesting comparison.

On the left a president and two babies and on the right a baby president with two other babies.

100
lawhawk  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:19:49pm
101
Ace-o-aces  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:20:36pm

re: #98 John Carter

I never understood this whole thing. Was there only one copy?

Why did it not show up on the million or so sharing sites?

Only one copy. Shkreli could distribute it for free, but he’s an asshole.

102
nines09  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:21:26pm

re: #100 lawhawk

From the NYT, he was wearing a polo shirt, and was unshaven.

And the ever so strong scent of abject fear all around him…

103
ObserverArt  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:22:40pm

re: #96 nines09

Stock image. From whence I know not. Most likely from a point in time where the shit was selling smacked him in the face.

Did a Google image search and found it was from February 2016 when he was in front of the House Subcommittee on Oversight and Government Reform.

I’m thinking he did something similar today.

Daily Beast - Pharma Bro Martin Shkreli Finally Shuts Up—In Front of Congress

104
makeitstop  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:23:26pm
105
goddamnedfrank  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:24:04pm
106
ObserverArt  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:25:57pm

re: #102 nines09

And the ever so strong scent of abject fear all around him…

Wow, he really is a mini-Trump.

From Lawhawk’s link:

The conviction, even as a mixed verdict, was a shattering defeat for the divisive Mr. Shkreli, who said before the trial that he was “so innocent” that the judge, jury and prosecutors would apologize to him afterward.

107
ObserverArt  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:26:29pm

Ignore…pushed the wrong button.

108
goddamnedfrank  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:27:23pm
109
dangerman  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:29:11pm

18 day vacation after six months on the “job”?

weak

110
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:29:46pm

re: #83 dangerman

there’s something bizarre and creepy about why you think this is a good idea at all

Derpy Dinesh will work to promote fascism right up until the fascists remove him as an undesirable.

111
lawhawk  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:29:57pm
112
nines09  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:30:04pm

re: #103 ObserverArt

Oh I think it was bit more than a hand over the mouth. Reality pulled up a chair and spoke in length. MF deserves every day.

113
ObserverArt  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:31:28pm

re: #109 dangerman

18 day vacation after six months on the “job”?

weak

Remember he said he’d have no time for golf too?

I do. Put your hip waders on.

Trump - I’d work my ass off - no time for golf

114
lawhawk  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:33:15pm

re: #113 ObserverArt

There’s a tweet for that too!

Of course, the year before, Trump also wanted Obama to play one of his golf courses (because of course he wanted the money/high profile visit).

Or maybe this one - that apparently refers to Obama’s first term trips/golf rounds:

Trump’s already halfway to Obama’s four year total in just 7 months or so.

115
dangerman  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:33:47pm

re: #111 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

i understood he’s taking the salary and donating it, not that he’s not taking it

probably to boost his charitable contributions deduction

116
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:34:33pm

re: #87 Jebediah, RBG

So far, my mom has twice been through the awfulness of outliving a child. It really is terrible. My condolences to your friend.

Don’t die.

It used to be common for parents to outlive their children. That was before the vaccines that lunatics want us to stop using. Two of five of my grandmother’s children survived to adulthood.

117
EPR-radar  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:35:56pm

re: #108 goddamnedfrank

The old philosophical theory of Plato’s forms is supported by examples like this. E.g., Ken Starr has just demonstrated the Platonic Ideal of Hypocrisy — eternal, perfect, etc. etc.

118
lawhawk  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:36:23pm

re: #115 dangerman

i understood he’s taking the salary and donating it, not that he’s not taking it

probably to boost his charitable contributions deduction

He’s donating it and that will likely constitute a charitable deduction. Trump makes money from every trip to a Trump property because of the way they bill all those trips to the government. Trump tower is billing the USSS for space. Same at the Trump hotels, etc. and ultimately all that money flows back to Trump.

Each and every one of those constitutes an emoluments violation too.

119
dangerman  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:38:27pm

re: #113 ObserverArt

Remember he said he’d have no time for golf too?

I do. Put your hip waders on.

[Embedded content]

he’s redefining “pathological”

120
gocart mozart  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:38:39pm
121
Sir John Barron  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:39:22pm

re: #114 lawhawk

There’s a tweet for that too!

Trump’s already halfway to Obama’s four year total in just 7 months or so.

“It’s OK now, Trump is MAGA and brought back all the coal jobs and shutup.”

/

122
dangerman  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:40:16pm

re: #118 lawhawk

He’s donating it and that will likely constitute a charitable deduction. Trump makes money from every trip to a Trump property because of the way they bill all those trips to the government. Trump tower is billing the USSS for space. Same at the Trump hotels, etc. and ultimately all that money flows back to Trump.

Each and every one of those constitutes an emoluments violation too.

right - just to be clear, in order to donate it in his own name, he has to accept it first, so he’ll report 400k in salary

123
lawhawk  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:45:10pm

re: #122 dangerman

Yup. And the only way he doesn’t gain any benefit from this is if he doesn’t add that as a charitable deduction when he itemizes his deductions.

Knowing all that we know about him and his business dealings, the odds he will leave a deduction or credit (deserved or not) on the table is somewhere between slim and none.

124
Le Coquí Résistance  Aug 4, 2017 • 1:50:35pm
Are leaks like this dangerous? Maybe so. But in my opinion it’s far more dangerous that we have an incompetent, incoherent buffoon in the Oval Office — in an administration that’s increasingly dominated by extreme right wing military members. And that danger needs much more attention, because it’s destroying the standing of the United States in the world community and putting us all in very great peril.

Basically, we’re reaching, or even surpass, the Godzilla threshold.

126
Ace-o-aces  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:05:56pm

How is it all these assholes know each other? Is there an asshole club they all go to at night?

127
Barefoot Grin  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:08:50pm

Roger Stone calls McMaster a “Quisling” working with Mueller to take down Trump. Extreme jump in anti-McCaster activity on twitter:

128
Stanley Sea  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:12:11pm

Deranged.

and she does say ‘fist’

129
Jebediah, RBG  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:12:15pm

re: #116 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Don’t die.

I’ve actually noticed that I have become slightly more careful specifically to protect my mom.

130
MsJ  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:13:23pm

re: #127 Barefoot Grin

Roger Stone calls McMaster a “Quisling” working with Mueller to take down Trump. Extreme jump in anti-McCaster activity on twitter:

[Embedded content]

I tell you, that is one asshole whom I would love to see spend his remaining days behind bars. I am not sure if there is a bigger asshole around than stone.

131
Skip Intro  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:14:46pm
132
dangerman  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:22:32pm

re: #78 dangerman

in addition to the no-knead pizza dough i posted this morning,

We’re making this no knead bread today

It’s a fave and easier than pie

133
No Depression  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:23:18pm

re: #128 Stanley Sea

Deranged.

and she does say ‘fist’

[Embedded content]

…Does she think fist means punch?

134
Patricia Kayden  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:25:18pm

re: #1 freetoken

As I tweeted yesterday:

[Embedded content]

Was Ryan Evans concerned when Trump revealed confidential information about an Israeli agent infiltrating ISIS? Or is he only concerned when anti-Trump information is leaked?

135
Stanley Sea  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:26:30pm

re: #133 No Depression

…Does she think fist means punch?

She’s denying it now.

Fucking deranged.

136
7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:27:01pm

re: #133 No Depression

I herd “Fisk” and bet it was intentional that it was widely misunderstood. Fisk: “transitive. To criticize and refute (a published article or argument), especially in point-by-point or line-by-line fashion … .”

137
Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:27:25pm

re: #128 Stanley Sea

Deranged.

and she does say ‘fist’

[Embedded content]

What does she mean by …”and find out just what deep rich means to this old gray hag.”

138
Patricia Kayden  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:29:09pm

re: #18 makeitstop

[Embedded content]

With weapons?

139
Stanley Sea  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:29:12pm

re: #137 Blind Frog Belly White

What does she mean by …”and find out just what deep rich means to this old gray hag.”

who the fuck knows

140
Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:30:26pm

re: #139 Stanley Sea

who the fuck knows

Lead poisoning from too much time at the gun range?

141
Mike Lamb  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:30:36pm

re: #26 Dave In Austin

[Embedded content]

We can commence the civil forfeiture action now, yes?

142
Barefoot Grin  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:33:21pm

re: #136 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

I herd “Fisk” and bet it was intentional that it was widely misunderstood. Fisk: “transitive. To criticize and refute (a published article or argument), especially in point-by-point or line-by-line fashion … .”

I heard “gerbil.”

143
nines09  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:34:21pm

re: #133 No Depression

…Does she think fist means punch?

re: #128 Stanley Sea

144
Ace-o-aces  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:35:15pm

re: #142 Barefoot Grin

I heard “gerbil.”

I heard “I suffer from significant mental problems that cause me to have violent sexual fantasies”.

145
MsJ  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:35:48pm

re: #137 Blind Frog Belly White

What does she mean by …”and find out just what deep rich means to this old gray hag.”

She obviously hates herself and feels she needs a touch-up. #BadHairDay
///

146
dangerman  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:36:30pm

re: #142 Barefoot Grin

I heard “gerbil.”

i heard “richard gere”

147
No Depression  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:36:45pm

re: #136 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

Fisk: “transitive. To criticize and refute (a published article or argument), especially in point-by-point or line-by-line fashion … .”

That doesn’t make any fucking sense in the context of that sentence. Then again, the sentence is a bunch of word salad anyway, whether she said fist or fisk.

148
Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:37:12pm

The divide between the NeverTrump Republicans who never waivered, and those Republicans who dived into Trump headfirst is interesting. When the first Dana Loesch NRA ad came out, a number of the former said things like, “What happened to her? She used to be sensible!”

I’ve thought the same of friends who seemed like actual principled Conservatives but who went nuts after Obama was elected.

And honestly I thought the same of friends on the left who went BernieBro, or even farther, like my idiot brother.

I’ve had to conclude that no, they WEREN’T sensible, even when they seemed like they were. They were ALWAYS this bad. It’s just that they hadn’t had either an excuse or an outlet for their madness.

149
Patricia Kayden  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:37:34pm

re: #86 gocart mozart

How do you limit yourself to just 5 lies though? Pretty much everything they say is a lie. It would be easier to tweet about 5 true things they say since those would be hard to find.

150
MsJ  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:38:34pm

re: #147 No Depression

That doesn’t make any fucking sense in the context of that sentence. Then again, the sentence is a bunch of word salad anyway, whether she said fist or fisk.

It’s wingnutown, Jake.

151
Decatur Deb  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:38:46pm

re: #93 gocart mozart

A little something about my new avatar.

[Embedded content]

en.wikipedia.org

Ehhh. Not a great example, too much the Black Bloc.

152
Patricia Kayden  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:40:56pm

re: #105 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

I have zero problems with George Soros and hopes he funds anything he wants which will put more Democrats in Congress and in control of the White House. Not sure why anyone in the left would be anti-Soros (or anti-Kamala Harris, for that matter).

153
goddamnedfrank  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:43:03pm
154
wrenchwench  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:45:31pm

Where is that darn dopefish? I’ve been saving something for him, and I better put it out before it starts to smell bad.

155
Myron Falwell  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:45:42pm

re: #127 Barefoot Grin

Roger Stone calls McMaster a “Quisling” working with Mueller to take down Trump. Extreme jump in anti-McCaster activity on twitter:

[Embedded content]

The goal is to run Kelly, McMaster and Mattis out. Without a doubt.

156
danarchy  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:46:17pm

re: #137 Blind Frog Belly White

What does she mean by …”and find out just what deep rich means to this old gray hag.”

A little googling shows that the NYT responded to a previous NRA ad with this:

“Our commitment to the truth isn’t new, it dates back 166 years. And, each and every story mentioned in the NRA’s video, from Benghazi to crime in Chicago, was covered in deep and rich detail by Times reporters who in some cases — Libya, for instance — risked their lives to get at the truth.”

157
ObserverArt  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:46:36pm

re: #137 Blind Frog Belly White

What does she mean by …”and find out just what deep rich means to this old gray hag.”

Imma thinking something in the range of Cosmopolitan (Jewish) Rich Liberal Controlled
Old Timey Newspaper that has been around too long to be treated as serious any longer.

158
Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:46:58pm

re: #152 Patricia Kayden

I have zero problems with George Soros and hopes he funds anything he wants which will put more Democrats in Congress and in control of the White House. Not sure why anyone in the left would be anti-Soros (or anti-Kamala Harris, for that matter).

A severe case of the Holier Than Thou’s. Or perhaps Bernier Than Thou. Soros is bad because he supports Democrats, not TRUE PROGRESSIVES!! You know he supported Hillary Clinton, who as we all know is Just As Bad As A Republican - if that Republican supported higher taxes on the wealthiest, regulation of business, a strong social safety net, universal healthcare, womens’ rights, minority rights, etc.etc.

Oh, and Kamal Harris? She’s supposedly tainted by having been a prosecutor, who threw people in jail (after they were found guilty).

159
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:47:17pm

re: #154 wrenchwench

Where is that darn dopefish? I’ve been saving something for him, and I better put it out before it starts to smell bad.

[Embedded content]

You rang?

160
goddamnedfrank  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:48:14pm

re: #152 Patricia Kayden

I have zero problems with George Soros and hopes he funds anything he wants which will put more Democrats in Congress and in control of the White House. Not sure why anyone in the left would be anti-Soros (or anti-Kamala Harris, for that matter).

Soros is just the new Rothschilds. A way of hitting the antisemitic dog whistle and riling up the racist base. It plays well to the modern left because they’ve conflated everything Jewish with their opposition to Israel and West Bank settlements in particular, as evidenced at this year’s Dyke March in Chicago where Jewish attendees were expelled for displaying Pride Flags with the Star of David on them.

161
wrenchwench  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:48:31pm

re: #159 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

You rang?

THERE you are!

Good evening, or afternoon, or what have you.

162
7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:48:50pm

re: #147 No Depression

That doesn’t make any fucking sense in the context of that sentence. Then again, the sentence is a bunch of word salad anyway, whether she said fist or fisk.

She said that she was going to fisk the NYT. As someone who has had that word in his vocabulary for more than 60 years, it is clear what the word was and what it meansmin that context - intense fact-checking. What she intended to accomplish by using it is a different story and I think it was to stir up a nontroversy and make us look illiterate.

163
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:50:17pm

re: #161 wrenchwench

THERE you are!

Good evening, or afternoon, or what have you.

Good afternoon/evening to you, as well. Those paintings clearly need more dopefish. It is a beautiful sunny 80-degree-F day here in the wild north country. How are things in the bike shop?

164
ObserverArt  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:51:14pm

re: #153 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

Ahh, the proper tool for the job.

Good materials too. Plastic and metal, all familiar to the gun owner.

165
Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:51:31pm

re: #162 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

She said that she was going to fisk the NYT. As someone who has had that word in his vocabulary for more than 60 years, it is clear what the word was and what it meansmin that context - intense fact-checking. What she intended to accomplish by using it is a different story and I think it was to stir up a nontroversy and make us look illiterate.

Remember who her audience is. They mostly wouldn’t have a clue what ‘fisking’ is.

166
MsJ  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:51:46pm

Oy. This guy thinks #ObamaDay is a bunch of atheists filling a void where religion is missing.

(sigh) Why is it so difficult to understand that for many of us, we appreciate what Obama did for us, his even temperament, his acceptance of all Americans and his ability to speak in full sentences? I don’t need or want a god. I want a functioning country.

167
Barefoot Grin  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:51:47pm

re: #155 Myron Falwell

The goal is to run Kelly, McMaster and Mattis out. Without a doubt.

Hard to burn everything down with those guys around.

168
Charles Johnson  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:52:11pm
169
wrenchwench  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:53:23pm

re: #163 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Good afternoon/evening to you, as well. Those paintings clearly need more dopefish. It is a beautiful sunny 80-degree-F day here in the wild north country. How are things in the bike shop?

Not too busy, so I can keep up. The swamp cooler is keeping the temperature nice.

170
goddamnedfrank  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:54:04pm
171
EPR-radar  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:54:18pm

re: #166 MsJ

Oy. This guy thinks #ObamaDay is a bunch of atheists filling a void where religion is missing.

[Embedded content]

(sigh) Why is it so difficult to understand that for many of us, we appreciate what Obama did for us, his even temperament, his acceptance of all Americans and his ability to speak in full sentences? I don’t need or want a god. I want a functioning country.

I just want a president who is not a narcissistic, corrupt, lying sack of shit megalomaniac.

172
No Depression  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:54:37pm

re: #166 MsJ

Oy. This guy thinks #ObamaDay is a bunch of atheists filling a void where religion is missing.

[Embedded content]

(sigh) Why is it so difficult to understand that for many of us, we appreciate what Obama did for us, his even temperament, his acceptance of all Americans and his ability to speak in full sentences? I don’t need or want a god. I want a functioning country.

Oh look, another conservative assuming that everyone thinks exactly like he does.

173
MsJ  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:54:42pm

re: #165 Blind Frog Belly White

Remember who her audience is. They mostly wouldn’t have a clue what ‘fisking’ is.

To be honest, they wouldn’t know what fisting was, either.

174
wrenchwench  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:55:21pm

Now I’m hungry.

175
gocart mozart  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:55:31pm
176
No Depression  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:56:57pm

re: #173 MsJ

To be honest, they wouldn’t know what fisting was, either.

I wouldn’t assume that. A lot of RWNJs consume more hardcore porn than they let on.

177
MsJ  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:57:29pm

re: #172 No Depression

Oh look, another conservative assuming that everyone thinks exactly like he does.

I get the impression he doesn’t like trump either. Seems he really dislikes Hils.

WhatEvs. I just find it weird that anyone would think that someone who doesn’t believe in god needs a religion. I suppose if I had a religion, it would be science.

178
EPR-radar  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:57:39pm

re: #165 Blind Frog Belly White

Remember who her audience is. They mostly wouldn’t have a clue what ‘fisking’ is.

The tiny fraction of US conservatives that are still capable of expressing themselves with functional literacy seem to be inordinately fond of the term ‘fisking’ for a point by point demolition of an opposing argument. So I think it reasonable to believe this is what Dana MaGunz intended here.

179
MsJ  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:58:10pm

re: #176 No Depression

I wouldn’t assume that. A lot of RWNJs consume more hardcore porn than they let on.

True. Likely fetish stuff, too.

180
Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 4, 2017 • 2:59:30pm

re: #166 MsJ

Many people cannot conceive of people not having a god or gods, and NOT feeling something missing.

Not to shit on believers, but I cannot count the number of times I’ve been told by Believers trying to get me to believe in their particular Invisible Friend that they knew how I felt, that they, too once had that emptiness in their heart, but now it’s full!

I point out, gently or not as appropriate, that they don’t live in my head, and they don’t have any idea what I do or don’t feel. And no, I don’t feel an emptiness.

181
dangerman  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:01:13pm

re: #166 MsJ

Oy. This guy thinks #ObamaDay is a bunch of atheists filling a void where religion is missing.

[Embedded content]

(sigh) Why is it so difficult to understand that for many of us, we appreciate what Obama did for us, his even temperament, his acceptance of all Americans and his ability to speak in full sentences? I don’t need or want a god. I want a functioning country.

ahem, Saint Ronnie

182
wrenchwench  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:01:37pm

re: #180 Blind Frog Belly White

And no, I don’t feel an emptiness.

I do, but it’s nothing a green chile cheeseburger couldn’t handle.

183
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:02:00pm

re: #169 wrenchwench

Not too busy, so I can keep up. The swamp cooler is keeping the temperature nice.

That is good. I got off of work a little bit early, so I spent the middle hours of the afternoon playing Pokemon Go around the metro area. Now I am home and ready to ring in the evening hours with some drinks and some time amongst the Lizardim.

184
No Depression  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:02:10pm

re: #177 MsJ

I get the impression he doesn’t like trump either. Seems he really dislikes Hils.

WhatEvs. I just find it weird that anyone would think that someone who doesn’t believe in god needs a religion. I suppose if I had a religion, it would be science.

I mean I kind of get it. I think everyone has an innate need to feel like they have a purpose. And Christians tend to think that religion is the only way to meet that need.

185
dangerman  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:02:36pm

re: #170 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

shouldnt we, like, all get praises for that first thing?

186
Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:02:54pm

re: #182 wrenchwench

I do, but it’s nothing a green chile cheeseburger couldn’t handle.

That would BURN a hole in my heart.

187
Teukka  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:02:57pm

Your daily dose of GloBULL Warming Hoax indoctrination: Earth, Two Degrees Warmer

188
ObserverArt  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:03:06pm

re: #174 wrenchwench

Now I’m hungry.

[Embedded content]

I’ve never had a green chile cheese burger. Actually never heard of one. So, I did an image search. Some of those look really tasty. I bet now that I’ve heard of it, I’ll come across one here in Columbus sometime.

189
No Depression  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:03:59pm

re: #174 wrenchwench

Now I’m hungry.

[Embedded content]

And finding a green chile burger is my purpose in life right now. Mmmmm.

190
dangerman  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:08:06pm

re: #180 Blind Frog Belly White

…the number of times I’ve been told by Believers trying to get me to believe in their particular Invisible Friend that they knew how I felt, that they, too once had that emptiness in their heart, but now it’s full!
….

that exact logic can be turned around and looped back at them. they never realize that

when they say “if only you could see what i see”, i say, “i know!!!. if only *you* could see what *i* see. let me explain…..”

191
Decatur Deb  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:08:11pm

re: #174 wrenchwench

Now I’m hungry.

[Embedded content]

A new Mark Knopfler that’s up your alley.
(All YT versions have an irritating aspect problem on my setup.)

Mark Knopfler - LONG COOL GIRL Video format

192
wrenchwench  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:08:51pm

re: #188 ObserverArt

I’ve never had a green chile cheese burger. Actually never heard of one. So, I did an image search. Some of those look really tasty. I bet now that I’ve heard of it, I’ll come across one here in Columbus sometime.

Soon, these things will show up outside each grocery store, and OMG the smell is so good, and travels so far!

193
Stanley Sea  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:08:55pm

Time for an oil change!

Will be checking remotely during the hour of death boredom.

194
goddamnedfrank  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:10:02pm
195
Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:10:43pm

Okay, the weather here the last few days must have been brought in from elsewhere.

Wednesday was a fairly typical warm Bay Area Summer day - 80s-90s down the Peninsula, fog moving in through the gaps in the late afternoon/early evening. Went to bed with the temps in the low 60s.

Thursday, woke up to high overcast, not the usual low marine layer. 70 degrees at 8 AM. HUMID, like >75% humidity. Still 70 degrees at 11 PM when I walked the dogs and humid enough that I was sweating.

Today, I awoke to the gentle patter of rain. RAIN? Rain. Still high overcast, all day, and humid again.

Some other place has our weather. I wonder how they like the afternoon winds.

196
ObserverArt  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:13:55pm

re: #195 Blind Frog Belly White

Okay, the weather here the last few days must have been brought in from elsewhere.

Wednesday was a fairly typical warm Bay Area Summer day - 80s-90s down the Peninsula, fog moving in through the gaps in the late afternoon/early evening. Went to bed with the temps in the low 60s.

Thursday, woke up to high overcast, not the usual low marine layer. 70 degrees at 8 AM. HUMID, like >75% humidity. Still 70 degrees at 11 PM when I walked the dogs and humid enough that I was sweating.

Today, I awoke to the gentle patter of rain. RAIN? Rain. Still high overcast, all day, and humid again.

Some other place has our weather. I wonder how they like the afternoon winds.

So, will this be a year we will not be hearing of fires in the brush and trees of California? That would be a good thing.

197
MsJ  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:13:57pm

re: #180 Blind Frog Belly White

Many people cannot conceive of people not having a god or gods, and NOT feeling something missing.

Not to shit on believers, but I cannot count the number of times I’ve been told by Believers trying to get me to believe in their particular Invisible Friend that they knew how I felt, that they, too once had that emptiness in their heart, but now it’s full!

I point out, gently or not as appropriate, that they don’t live in my head, and they don’t have any idea what I do or don’t feel. And no, I don’t feel an emptiness.

I totally will never begrudge people their beliefs. I just want people to afford me the same luxury.

198
MsJ  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:15:33pm

re: #188 ObserverArt

I’ve never had a green chile cheese burger. Actually never heard of one. So, I did an image search. Some of those look really tasty. I bet now that I’ve heard of it, I’ll come across one here in Columbus sometime.

I’m jonesing for a good burger now. (slurp drool)

199
wrenchwench  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:16:55pm

re: #191 Decatur Deb

A new Mark Knopfler that’s up your alley.
(All YT versions have an irritating aspect problem on my setup.)

[Embedded content]

Video

That was great, thanks! He’s using my truing stand, and I’m wearing my Park Tool t-shirt today. I’m short, though.

200
freetoken  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:16:58pm

re: #187 Teukka

Here was the paper in Nature Climate last week:

Less than 2 °C warming by 2100 unlikely

The recently published Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) projections to 2100 give likely ranges of global temperature increase in four scenarios for population, economic growth and carbon use1. However, these projections are not based on a fully statistical approach. Here we use a country-specific version of Kaya’s identity to develop a statistically based probabilistic forecast of CO2 emissions and temperature change to 2100. Using data for 1960-2010, including the UN’s probabilistic population projections for all countries2, 3, 4, we develop a joint Bayesian hierarchical model for Gross Domestic Product (GDP) per capita and carbon intensity. We find that the 90% interval for cumulative CO2 emissions includes the IPCC’s two middle scenarios but not the extreme ones. The likely range of global temperature increase is 2.0-4.9 °C, with median 3.2 °C and a 5% (1%) chance that it will be less than 2 °C (1.5 °C). Population growth is not a major contributing factor. Our model is not a ‘business as usual’ scenario, but rather is based on data which already show the effect of emission mitigation policies. Achieving the goal of less than 1.5 °C warming will require carbon intensity to decline much faster than in the recent past.

The problem with predicting the future climate has little to do with physics and everything to do with the erratic decisions of humans.

We do not know if we’re going to head towards a war, an apocalyptic war, of our own making. Heck, Trump may have already sent us down such a path.

201
MsJ  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:17:59pm

re: #192 wrenchwench

Soon, these things will show up outside each grocery store, and OMG the smell is so good, and travels so far!

[Embedded content]

Man, I would love a cage full of roasted poblano peppers. Those things taste so good!

202
freetoken  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:19:41pm

In reference to ” We find that the 90% interval for cumulative CO2 emissions includes the IPCC’s two middle scenarios but not the extreme ones” : I’ve sort of guessed that on my own some time ago. I thought for some time the RCP4.5 scenario would end up being closest to the truth, because I believe we only do a little bit of mitigation, not a great amount.

Resource constraints keep the worst-case scenarios from happening.

203
No Depression  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:19:57pm

re: #200 freetoken

Here was the paper in Nature Climate last week:

Less than 2 °C warming by 2100 unlikely

The problem with predicting the future climate has little to do with physics and everything to do with the erratic decisions of humans.

We do not know if we’re going to head towards a war, an apocalyptic war, of our own making. Heck, Trump may have already sent us down such a path.

Nuclear war is the perfect solution to global warming! Sure, the ensuing nuclear winter will slowly kill everything, but at least the earth will be cooler!

204
austin_blue  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:20:10pm

re: #192 wrenchwench

Soon, these things will show up outside each grocery store, and OMG the smell is so good, and travels so far!

[Embedded content]

Hell, Central Market (an HEB Grocery off-shoot designed to compete mano-a-mano w/ Whole Foods but hella cheaper) has a Hatch Green Chile WEEK every year. It’s Killer Bee.

205
wrenchwench  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:20:18pm

re: #201 MsJ

Man, I would love a cage full of roasted poblano peppers. Those things taste so good!

That would be good. We’ve roasted them at home, and make our rellenos with them.

206
dangerman  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:20:58pm

re: #197 MsJ

I totally will never begrudge people their beliefs. I just want people to afford me the same luxury.

i generally dont either, as long as its “harmless”

when it becomes a substitute for secular decision making, when your mystical belief in things without proof informs your positions regarding laws and governing, i start to begrudge a bit

207
Decatur Deb  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:22:36pm

re: #203 No Depression

Nuclear war is the perfect solution to global warming! Sure, the ensuing nuclear winter will slowly kill everything, but at least the earth will be cooler!

H5N will save Social Security.

208
MsJ  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:23:36pm

re: #205 wrenchwench

That would be good. We’ve roasted them at home, and make our rellenos with them.

I like to chop them up and put them into burritos. They have such a nice flavor. And no heat at all so my MIL can eat them.

209
ObserverArt  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:25:54pm

re: #201 MsJ

Man, I would love a cage full of roasted poblano peppers. Those things taste so good!

I like ‘em green, roasted and even roasted and dried.

I take the dried ones and put them in full size into my slowly cooking pot of chili. After about an hour or so, they soften and then when they get to that stage I squeeze them with a spatula and the deep roasted brown goodness flows out into the sauce. Ummmmm. Nice and rich. After the chili is cooked, I fish out the now used up chilis.

Hmm. It is getting time to make up a batch.

210
Decatur Deb  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:26:12pm

re: #208 MsJ

I like to chop them up and put them into burritos. They have such a nice flavor. And no heat at all so my MIL can eat them.

Poblanos can fool ya. We got Mild and Way Too Hot off the same bush. I’ve turned to Marconis, esp for stuffing and grilling.

211
freetoken  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:26:19pm

Essentially one can predict with some confidence that people don’t change very much.

It takes a dramatic event - to change an individual, to change a society, quickly (by which I mean within a few years.)

So unless we do go into a global war of a magnitude of WWII (scaled up for population growth), it’s not unreasonable to expect economies to try and keep trudging along as they have.

212
MsJ  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:26:46pm

re: #209 ObserverArt

I like ‘em green, roasted and even roasted and dried.

I take the dried ones and put them in full size into my slowly cooking pot of chili. After about an hour or so, they soften and then when they get to that stage I squeeze them with a spatula and the deep roasted brown goodness flows out into the sauce. Ummmmm. Nice and rich. After the chili is cooked, I fish out the now used up chilis.

Hmm. It is getting time to make up a batch.

DUDE! Now I am **REALLY** hungry.

213
Decatur Deb  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:27:29pm

re: #211 freetoken

Essentially one can predict with some confidence that people don’t change very much.

It takes a dramatic event - to change an individual, to change a society, quickly (by which I mean within a few years.)

So unless we do go into a global war of a magnitude of WWII (scaled up for population growth), it’s not unreasonable to expect economies to try and keep trudging along as they have.

Now I miss Sane Ludwig.

214
wrenchwench  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:29:35pm

I said last week (or earlier this week, I can’t keep track) that the most valuable thing I learned in college was to check the date of each source’s publication, but now I’m remembering the summer job in the Mexican restaurant. Way more valuable.

215
MsJ  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:30:55pm

re: #210 Decatur Deb

Poblanos can fool ya. We got Mild and Way Too Hot off the same bush. I’ve turned to Marconis, esp for stuffing and grilling.

Really? I didn’t know that. I don’t think I’ve ever had a hot poblano. Of course, I get them from the store so they could be coming from halfway around the world and don’t have the flavor of the ones off the bush.

I gotta say, I have a lemon tree and we got one lemon from it…and the taste was so amazing that we are looking to grow more stuff. I never thought of myself as a farmer. :-D

216
wrenchwench  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:31:26pm

re: #213 Decatur Deb

Now I miss Sane Ludwig.

He never traveled without the other one.

217
Decatur Deb  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:33:01pm

re: #216 wrenchwench

He never traveled without the other one.

The Meatloaf Curse.

218
Decatur Deb  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:34:13pm

re: #215 MsJ

Really? I didn’t know that. I don’t think I’ve ever had a hot poblano. Of course, I get them from the store so they could be coming from halfway around the world and don’t have the flavor of the ones off the bush.

I gotta say, I have a lemon tree and we got one lemon from it…and the taste was so amazing that we are looking to grow more stuff. I never thought of myself as a farmer. :-D

We’re talking Irish tastebuds, here. Marconi, scoville rating 1-1000:

garden.org

219
MsJ  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:34:26pm
220
Stanley Sea  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:37:30pm

I’m sitting in a Mexican restaurant. How can this be?

Im not hungry but they have a Chile burger with jalapeños & CREAM CHEESE.

This margarita might bring hunger on…….

221
ObserverArt  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:40:06pm

re: #215 MsJ

Really? I didn’t know that. I don’t think I’ve ever had a hot poblano. Of course, I get them from the store so they could be coming from halfway around the world and don’t have the flavor of the ones off the bush.

I gotta say, I have a lemon tree and we got one lemon from it…and the taste was so amazing that we are looking to grow more stuff. I never thought of myself as a farmer. :-D

Do people grow fruit trees anymore? Back when I was a kid in my northern part of Ohio, people all had at least one type of fruit tree in their yard.

We had great little peach trees and one apple tree. There were apple and cherry trees all up and down the street.

My father also fought the birds and neighborhood kids over his strawberry patch.

Had to run the kids away from the peaches too. Yard wasn’t fenced in. Those peaches were the bomb. Little dark red skinned and bright orange red fruit. Tough trees to grow though, very prone to frost.

Pie material galore. So yes, there were pies! My mom was a hell of a pastry, pie, cake and cookie master.

In a way, I’m a little glad to not have that much of that stuff around…I’d be 250 lbs. But growing up it was great.

222
Decatur Deb  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:43:53pm

re: #221 ObserverArt

Do people grow fruit trees anymore? Back when I was a kid in my northern part of Ohio, people all had at least one type of fruit tree in their yard.

We had great little peach trees and one apple tree. There were apple and cherry trees all up and down the street.

My father also fought the birds and neighborhood kids over his strawberry patch.

Had to run the kids away from the peaches too. Yard wasn’t fenced in. Those peaches were the bomb. Little dark red skinned and bright orange red fruit. Tough trees to grow though, very prone to frost.

Pie material galore. So yes, there were pies! My mom was a hell of a pastry, pie, cake and cookie master.

In a way, I’m a little glad to not have that much of that stuff around…I’d be 250 lbs. But growing up it was great.

We have an Asian Pear, Bartlett Pear, and Meyer Lemon trees. Our climate is marginal for all of them—some years we don’t get enough chill hours for pears, sooner or later a frost will kill the lemon. An actual lemon merengue pie, all from scratch, is not to be dismissed.

223
ObserverArt  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:44:52pm

re: #218 Decatur Deb

We’re talking Irish tastebuds, here. Marconi, scoville rating 1-1000:

garden.org

I’m German Slovak…not necessarily known for hot and spicy either.

But anymore, I go for hot and spicy. Love it. Schezuan, Thai, Mexican, Indian, some Middle Eastern…bring it.

I actually think it is good for the digestive system, but that may just be me.

224
Stanley Sea  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:45:32pm

Despacito is playing. I’m in the twilight zone WW.

225
freetoken  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:45:44pm

That video on the letter in Nature Climate was a bit misleading.

Just watching it and not reading the actual letter, you’d think that 2C was a likely estimate and achievable, even if 1.5C is not.

I guess they do this to try and not give out disheartening news. The idea is that you want to encourage people, not have them give up.

But the letter is pretty clear that the median in the distribution of estimated temps, at the end of the century, is 3.2C.

And that is a big difference.

At 3.2C above the pre-industrial levels, the average surface temperature will be quite a bit higher than in any of the inter-glacials of the past couple of millions of years, the Pleistocene.

And it gets worse. Unless you believe the universe ends in 2100, warming will continue beyond then.

Rarely do you see estimates given for the year 2200. I suppose the fear is that is so far away that people will just ignore it. And indeed, people do ignore it.

But the changes from the emissions of the 21st century will continue into the 22nd. And emissions will continue too, even at a greatly reduced flux (due almost certainly to resource limitations.)

The future is looking like it will be rather radically different than what we had in the recent past.

226
Decatur Deb  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:47:20pm

re: #223 ObserverArt

I’m German Slovak…not necessarily known for hot and spicy either.

But anymore, I go for hot and spicy. Love it. Schezuan, Thai, Mexican, Indian, some Middle Eastern…bring it.

I actually think it is good for the digestive system, but that may just be me.

That New York City salsa is way too hot.

227
gocart mozart  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:47:43pm
228
ObserverArt  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:47:44pm

re: #222 Decatur Deb

We have an Asian Pear, Bartlett Pear, and Meyer Lemon trees. Our climate is marginal for all of them—some years we don’t get enough chill hours for pears, sooner or later a frost will kill the lemon. An actual lemon merengue pie, all from scratch, is not to be dismissed.

I forgot to mention pear trees. Had a lot of those around too. Some of them quite large…you had to be aware of pears dropping from a tall pear tree if you were playing around them, like football. A hard pear to the ol’ head is not fun.

229
gocart mozart  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:48:47pm
230
Decatur Deb  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:49:51pm

re: #228 ObserverArt

I forgot to mention pear trees. Had a lot of those around too. Some of them quite large…you had to be aware of pears dropping from a tall pear tree if you were playing around them, like football. A hard pear to the ol’ head is not fun.

Been meaning to grow a pear in a wine bottle and fill it with grappa.

231
dangerman  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:50:37pm

re: #229 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

No one voted for…unelected…is such a childish argument

It’s how the effin government functions ya melonhead

232
MsJ  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:51:38pm

re: #221 ObserverArt

Do people grow fruit trees anymore? Back when I was a kid in my northern part of Ohio, people all had at least one type of fruit tree in their yard.

We had great little peach trees and one apple tree. There were apple and cherry trees all up and down the street.

My father also fought the birds and neighborhood kids over his strawberry patch.

Had to run the kids away from the peaches too. Yard wasn’t fenced in. Those peaches were the bomb. Little dark red skinned and bright orange red fruit. Tough trees to grow though, very prone to frost.

Pie material galore. So yes, there were pies! My mom was a hell of a pastry, pie, cake and cookie master.

In a way, I’m a little glad to not have that much of that stuff around…I’d be 250 lbs. But growing up it was great.

I did not know peaches grew in that zone. We have had three pear trees but they haven’t survived. The city planted one on their property along the side of our property. It is marginally surviving (we water the shit out of it trying to keep it alive).

I don’t grow it in my yard, it is way too cold (I am north of you about an hour outside of Detroit). I got a sapling and have had it now for about four years. It’s beautiful now…not huge or anything. We bring it inside every fall and leave it outside during the summer. Lemon trees like hot weather. Our biggest deal with it is managing to keep it alive through the winters as it is really finicky. This year, it looked beautiful until like April…then we let it get just a tiny bit too dry and poof! no more leaves. It came back beautifully but we were very bummed. No lemons this year.

233
nowherenorth2  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:52:17pm

re: #231 dangerman

You would figure that roger stone woukd know this Bahahahha
No. He wouldn’t he just wants powerlike the rest of. The gop. At the expense of others.

Screw them. Or fist them if you’re the nra?

234
MsJ  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:52:58pm

re: #223 ObserverArt

I’m German Slovak…not necessarily known for hot and spicy either.

But anymore, I go for hot and spicy. Love it. Schezuan, Thai, Mexican, Indian, some Middle Eastern…bring it.

I actually think it is good for the digestive system, but that may just be me.

Agreed!

Damn…dinner cannot be done soon enough!

235
geosherman  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:53:45pm

re: #213 Decatur Deb

what happened to him? I learned a lot from reading his posts.

236
gocart mozart  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:55:40pm
237
Decatur Deb  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:55:44pm

re: #235 geosherman

what happened to him? I learned a lot from reading his posts.

He was great at physics, then went medieval on women’s rights and either drove himself off or got booted.

238
freetoken  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:56:22pm

Here’s a question out of left field: anyone here use the TOR browser?

239
Decatur Deb  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:57:48pm

re: #238 freetoken

Here’s a question out of left field: anyone here use the TOR browser?

Ask the FBI.

240
ObserverArt  Aug 4, 2017 • 3:58:31pm

re: #232 MsJ

I did not know peaches grew in that zone. We have had three pear trees but they haven’t survived. The city planted one on their property along the side of our property. It is marginally surviving (we water the shit out of it trying to keep it alive).

I don’t grow it in my yard, it is way too cold (I am north of you about an hour outside of Detroit). I got a sapling and have had it now for about four years. It’s beautiful now…not huge or anything. We bring it inside every fall and leave it outside during the summer. Lemon trees like hot weather. Our biggest deal with it is managing to keep it alive through the winters as it is really finicky. This year, it looked beautiful until like April…then we let it get just a tiny bit too dry and poof! no more leaves. It came back beautifully but we were very bummed. No lemons this year.

Oh yeah. Northern Ohio has some great peaches especially all up around Lake Erie and south of that maybe 80 miles. It all depends on not getting too late a frost though. If they get to blossom and then bear fruit you can get a hell of a crop. And like the ones my father grew, they were small dark red skins almost maroon on top and then to a light red orange on the bottom.

Found an image of the type I am talking about.

241
b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:01:29pm

re: #238 freetoken

it is the only way to go!

Or

tor was developed by the cia to make people think their stuff is secret and the cia and illuminati are collecting everything

I’ve seen both critiques

242
plansbandc  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:02:57pm

re: #174 wrenchwench

Albertsons starts roasting chile this weekend. Summer is going by very quickly.

243
The Vicious Babushka  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:03:08pm

re: #235 geosherman

what happened to him? I learned a lot from reading his posts.

He got whacked for fat shaming.

244
freetoken  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:03:56pm

re: #241 b.d. (bill d.)

Well, that’s a binary choice that’s going to be hard to unravel.

245
freetoken  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:04:13pm

It’s the CIA, all the way down.

246
The Vicious Babushka  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:05:05pm

I haven’t made a pie in a while, so I made a Tiramisu pie. Mocha-flavored cheesecake filling with a shot of Kahlua!

247
b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:05:20pm

re: #244 freetoken

Well, that’s a binary choice that’s going to be hard to unravel.

I would say go with Occams Razor and agree with the less crazy but all of those guys are whacked.

248
Decatur Deb  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:05:23pm

re: #240 ObserverArt

Oh yeah. Northern Ohio has some great peaches especially all up around Lake Erie and south of that maybe 80 miles. It all depends on not getting too late a frost though. If they get to blossom and then bear fruit you can get a hell of a crop. And like the ones my father grew, they were small dark red skins almost maroon on top and then to a light red orange on the bottom.

Found an image of the type I am talking about.

[Embedded content]

Massive peach growing regions are East and North of us. This tower in Clanton might have been the inspiration for the storyline in House of Cards. (It was in pink primer for about a year, and the kids couldn’t go by it without laughing.)

249
gocart mozart  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:05:28pm

Today in idiocy

250
Decatur Deb  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:06:10pm

re: #244 freetoken

Well, that’s a binary choice that’s going to be hard to unravel.

If you can trust it, you don’t need it.

251
wrenchwench  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:06:16pm

re: #243 The Vicious Babushka

He got whacked for fat shaming.

The irony is that he took an unscientific attitude about it, and couldn’t stop defending it until he got the boot. He was wrong.

252
b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:06:18pm

re: #246 The Vicious Babushka

I haven’t made a pie in a while, so I made a Tiramisu pie. Mocha-flavored cheesecake filling with a shot of Kahlua!

[Embedded content]

You really need to live closer to me.

253
451_Montag  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:06:37pm

re: #210 Decatur Deb

Poblanos can fool ya. We got Mild and Way Too Hot off the same bush. I’ve turned to Marconis, esp for stuffing and grilling.

For hot try the Peruvian Rocoto. Rocoto Relleno is a stuffed version from Arequipa. Not for the faint of heart though. Mild is 50,000 on the scoville scale, up to 250,000. If you ain’t crying when eating it, you ain’t trying. Cooking tames it a little, but numbness of the mouth soon sets in.

In the interests of transparency it is my single favorite food on the planet.

254
wrenchwench  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:07:14pm

re: #252 b.d. (bill d.)

You really need to live closer to me.

No, meeeeee!

255
ObserverArt  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:07:31pm

re: #243 The Vicious Babushka

He got whacked for fat shaming.

Really? I remember reading some of his stuff before joining. I knew that he began to get a little testy and then I didn’t see his posts any more.

256
b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:07:46pm

re: #249 gocart mozart

Today in idiocy

[Embedded content]

Pamela Anderson must have literally f*cked his brains out….

257
CBGB  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:07:58pm

re: #134 Patricia Kayden

Evans founded War on the Rocks, which is really good centerish mil blog. He’s not one of the bad guys, far as I can tell.

258
freetoken  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:08:11pm

re: #250 Decatur Deb

re: #247 b.d. (bill d.)

Well I’ll try it. But I feel like I may be catching something like an incurable STD.

259
FormerDirtDart  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:08:21pm
260
FormerDirtDart  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:09:23pm
261
b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:10:49pm

When do we start hearing about Trumps mistresses?

262
piratedan  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:11:04pm

if they prove that there was a conspiracy enacted upon the US elections with the assistance of foreign agents by financial, intelligence and political means, I really want these people arrested. If found to be guilty, well, I’m so mad I’m not sure that my better angels are on duty anymore…

In this case, the subversion of the political process should have repercussions, they’ve not only betrayed their country, they are ethically and morally bankrupt as people.

we already have obstruction of justice and perjury on the books, I’m at the point where we need to clean the GOP’s house for them.

America is resilient and complicated, besides we need more than one set of voices to run things

264
ObserverArt  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:15:14pm

re: #248 Decatur Deb

Massive peach growing regions are East and North of us. This tower in Clanton might have been the inspiration for the storyline in House of Cards. (It was in pink primer for about a year, and the kids couldn’t go by it without laughing.)

[Embedded content]

Well, you didn’t hear about Georgia Peaches for no reason.

The nice thing about growing fruits and veggies is each region has it’s own flavor depending on the type of plant/tree that grows in the region. The same types of plants will take on different flavors from south to north, east to west.

Colder harder winters give a different sugar content and consistency in the fruits flesh compared to southern.

But it’s all good!

265
b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:15:46pm

re: #262 piratedan

if they prove that there was a conspiracy enacted upon the US elections with the assistance of foreign agents by financial, intelligence and political means, I really want these people arrested. If found to be guilty, well, I’m so mad I’m not sure that my better angels are on duty anymore…

In this case, the subversion of the political process should have repercussions, they’ve not only betrayed their country, they are ethically and morally bankrupt as people.

we already have obstruction of justice and perjury on the books, I’m at the point where we need to clean the GOP’s house for them.

America is resilient and complicated, besides we need more than one set of voices to run things

as much as I hate Trump I really want all of these charges and innuendos to be wrong but I fear that they are not. I see Trump going down in history as being the only President being thrown in prison.

266
electrotek  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:16:19pm

Sorry guys, been slammed with work so I wasn’t able to respond to anybody from the last post.

Repost from downstairs:

re: #281 ObserverArt

Hey! I missed seeing you around.

Cheers. I’ll try to be on here during the day, but since we moved our office to another building in north Dallas, the setup here has also changed. I’m right next to my boss so I don’t get to go on here and read the comments let alone respond to them because I don’t want the awkward situation of where I’m spending more time doing things other than work. It sucks, but it is what it is.

re: #400 Jebediah, RBG

Everything OK?

I guess they are with myself, but not with the world, of course.

When the Manchester terrorist attacks happened, I was on a flight from Detroit back to Dallas. When I found out that the bombing happened at a fucking Ariana Grande concert of all things through scrolling on FB, my heart stopped and I did not want to go on ANY site that would talk about that attack, because I was fearing the worst. I did not get on any social media platform, avoided the news, avoided websites that talk about politics (such as LGF unfortunately), avoided music sites that would report on the Manchester attack like FACT Magazine or Mixmag or Billboard, and did not even watch TV for a bit. When I arrived in Dallas, I had my ear buds on and made sure I didn’t look at ANY TV screens when I was coming back. I even told my friend who picked me up to not play any music because I didn’t want to hear about it. Since I was planning on staying off social media for Ramadan anyways, it was just a bit early, but I avoided all of those sites while fasting.

Was it a coward move? Perhaps so, but when something like that happens at a concert for a pop star that kids adore, I had no fucking idea how to react. And the fact that it happened in a city like Manchester, a city that I hold dear to since it was responsible for spawning some of the greatest bands of all time like New Order and The Stone Roses, I was at a loss of words and had trouble coming up with an appropriate reaction, even coming from me.

I’m still hesitant on finding out what transpired there exactly. All I know is that Da’esh took responsibility for the attack and accidentally stumbled upon a Telegram convo of those pricks cheering the attack.

267
451_Montag  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:17:04pm

re: #262 piratedan

if they prove that there was a conspiracy enacted upon the US elections with the assistance of foreign agents by financial, intelligence and political means, I really want these people arrested. If found to be guilty, well, I’m so mad I’m not sure that my better angels are on duty anymore…

In this case, the subversion of the political process should have repercussions, they’ve not only betrayed their country, they are ethically and morally bankrupt as people.

we already have obstruction of justice and perjury on the books, I’m at the point where we need to clean the GOP’s house for them.

America is resilient and complicated, besides we need more than one set of voices to run things

Trouble is people like Trump don’t go to jail. He’ll get a pardon, with lots on hand wringing about healing the country.

I do console myself with the idea that he will have to live with the rejection, the biggliest and hugiest rejection the world has ever seen. Sure he’ll retain a few loyal fans/minions but it will rip his black shrivelled heart to shreds knowing the word Trump will come to mean useless and dishonest. Trumpian will replace Nixonian as a byword for corrupt.

Edit Tablets and spellcheck suck in a very Bannion way

268
ObserverArt  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:19:07pm

re: #252 b.d. (bill d.)

You really need to live closer to me.

All of us b.d. All of us long for VB’s pies.

I tried to bribe her with this graphic she could use for an avatar. Didn’t get a pie.

And it is not that damn far between Columbus and Detroit. I’ve driven it many times.

: )

269
ObserverArt  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:19:56pm

re: #253 451_Montag

For hot try the Peruvian Rocoto. Rocoto Relleno is a stuffed version from Arequipa. Not for the faint of heart though. Mild is 50,000 on the scoville scale, up to 250,000. If you ain’t crying when eating it, you ain’t trying. Cooking tames it a little, but numbness of the mouth soon sets in.

In the interests of transparency it is my single favorite food on the planet.

You have my attention.

270
Momkat56  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:20:47pm

re: #248 Decatur Deb

Shame peaches are so needy. The Clanton peaches were hard to come by this season in West Alabama. My sister’s tree had enough for one pie.

271
b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:21:56pm

re: #267 451_Montag

Trouble is people like Trump don’t go to jail. He’ll get a pardon, with lots on hand wringing about healing the country.

I do sole myself with the idea that he will have to live with the rejectio, the biggliest and hugiest rejection the world has ever seen. Sure he’ll retain a few loyal fans/minions but it will rip his black shrivelled heart to shreds knowing the word Trump will come to mean useless and dishonest. True!loan will replace Nixonian as a byword for corrupt.

Yep. There will be no civil war just a bunch of people who want to move on out of embarrassment.

Trump will live out his life giving speeches in Eastern Europe shrieking his innocence and bilking the remainder of his loyal base.

He will go down in history as the biggest disgrace ever to occupy the White House until the effort, 40 years from now, to explain how he was right after all.

272
JordanRules  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:23:47pm

Dang you guys!

Dinner will be spicy tonight.

My phone tried to correct to Spicer, with the capitalization. Then it randomly suggested Reince. WTF

273
wrenchwench  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:24:27pm

re: #266 electrotek

{{{electrotek}}}

Welcome back.

274
b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:25:23pm

re: #268 ObserverArt

All of us b.d. All of us long for VB’s pies.

I tried to bribe her with this graphic she could use for an avatar. Didn’t get a pie.

And it is not that damn far between Columbus and Detroit. I’ve driven it many times.

: )

[Embedded content]

VB really needs to have a baked good of the month club…..HEAVY discount for LGF members.

275
wrenchwench  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:25:59pm

re: #272 JordanRules

Dang you guys!

Dinner will be spicy tonight.

My phone tried to correct to Spicer, with the capitalization. Then it randomly suggested Reince. WTF

Reince the dishes before you stack them after dinner.

276
451_Montag  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:27:09pm

re: #269 ObserverArt

You have my attention.

Served with cheese and potato pastel. If you ever find it, just go for it. If you ever go to Peru find the alpaca version, rather than pork or beef

277
Myron Falwell  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:29:24pm

re: #267 451_Montag

Trouble is people like Trump don’t go to jail. He’ll get a pardon, with lots on hand wringing about healing the country.

I do console myself with the idea that he will have to live with the rejection, the biggliest and hugiest rejection the world has ever seen. Sure he’ll retain a few loyal fans/minions but it will rip his black shrivelled heart to shreds knowing the word Trump will come to mean useless and dishonest. Trumpian will replace Nixonian as a byword for corrupt.

Edit Tablets and spellcheck suck in a very Bannion way

A pardon won’t erase the likelihood of Trump losing his entire fortune and being exposed as an utter fraud once and for all. Or that Putin and the Russian mafia will be placing a gigantic target on his back because he failed to live up to his end of the bargain…

278
ObserverArt  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:30:14pm

re: #275 wrenchwench

Reince the dishes before you stack them after dinner.

Gotta get all the Spicers off.

Time to go tune a guitar and bash a drum.

My buddy can’t make it tonight. He is a school maintenance guy and Columbus has a lot of new buildings they are still tuning and he is part of the one districts team that is getting ready for school to open. So overtime and no jamming tonight.

279
Decatur Deb  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:32:35pm

And I’m off to pick peppers for Daughter2. Wife is visiting her “up North” in Birmingham while I have jury duty.

280
Jebediah, RBG  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:33:44pm

re: #261 b.d. (bill d.)

When do we start hearing about Trumps mistresses?

At this point I think he’s too low energy for mistresses. Sad!

281
b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:34:02pm

re: #277 Myron Falwell

A pardon won’t erase the likelihood of Trump losing his entire fortune and being exposed as an utter fraud once and for all. Or that Putin and the Russian mafia will be placing a gigantic target on his back because he failed to live up to his end of the bargain…

Psssst, there is no entire fortune.

Mueller could be uncovering a larger infiltration that has ever been imagined.

I can’t imagine what could constitute a clarion call these days but we might be seeing one.

Gut check 101 coming up, stare at the flag and act accordingly. I wonder how many can do it?

282
petesh  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:34:21pm

re: #277 Myron Falwell

A pardon won’t erase the likelihood of Trump losing his entire fortune and being exposed as an utter fraud once and for all. Or that Putin and the Russian mafia will be placing a gigantic target on his back because he failed to live up to his end of the bargain…

Broke Donald with no credit is something I want to see. Jail would be an excellent addition to that. But I’d pass on the polonium sandwich, personally. I want him aware for as long as his pudgy frame holds out.

284
451_Montag  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:37:23pm

re: #282 petesh

Broke Donald with no credit is something I want to see. Jail would be an excellent addition to that. But I’d pass on the polonium sandwich, personally. I want him aware for as long as his pudgy frame holds out.

To be perfectly honest I’d settle for just gone at the moment

285
wrenchwench  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:37:45pm

re: #282 petesh

Broke Donald with no credit is something I want to see. Jail would be an excellent addition to that. But I’d pass on the polonium sandwich, personally. I want him aware for as long as his pudgy frame holds out.

I’d like to see him suffer, but we may be too late for ‘awareness’ of it.

286
Kragar  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:38:15pm
287
nowherenorth2  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:39:47pm

re: #286 Kragar

Good god is that their legitimate question?

Yes we fucking care.

288
piratedan  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:40:49pm

re: #286 Kragar

funny, they never took that POV with Obama as President, maybe because thay’re racist, sexist shitbags..

289
Kragar  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:43:25pm

re: #287 nowherenorth2

Good god is that their legitimate question?

Yes we fucking care.

foxnews.com

290
Jebediah, RBG  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:45:32pm

re: #266 electrotek

Was it a coward move?

Nope. Each of us has things we need to avoid. I think there are very few of us who can handle looking straight at every horrible thing in the world, and that was a particularly horrible thing.

And sorry to hear about the new boss-proximity.

291
Kragar  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:45:40pm
292
gocart mozart  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:46:34pm
293
wrenchwench  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:47:16pm

Later, lizards.

294
Targetpractice  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:48:09pm

re: #286 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Amazing how America in wingnut eyes went from a lawless, blight-infested hellscape to a paradise overnight. You might almost think it has something to do with a white guy being elected…

295
Myron Falwell  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:48:19pm

re: #278 ObserverArt

Gotta get all the Spicers off.

Time to go tune a guitar and bash a drum.

My buddy can’t make it tonight. He is a school maintenance guy and Columbus has a lot of new buildings they are still tuning and he is part of the one districts team that is getting ready for school to open. So overtime and no jamming tonight.

Oof! Good luck to him…

Personal aside, a good bicycle-riding friend of mine is the marching band director for the Whitehall district… and that’s practically a year-round gig for her. :/

296
Myron Falwell  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:50:38pm

re: #285 wrenchwench

I’d like to see him suffer, but we may be too late for ‘awareness’ of it.

Very few of his supporters or sycophants will accept any sort of awareness.

Press on regardless.

297
piratedan  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:52:06pm

re: #292 gocart mozart

the thing is, I have a HS friend, incredibly devout… last week, he and some of the other members of his church were busy building houses for fellow Christians in Peru, with money that they raised for this kind of effort… that’s what I think of when I think of Christians… there are plenty of people of faith out there that are busy doing good deeds and living their lives in such a fashion that I believe would have found favor with how the New Testament was written. The thing is, they don;t wear their faith as some kind of badge of honor, they don’t proselytize, they simply do.. they give of themselves and their time because its what they believe is the best way to express their faith and show what it means to them..

the funny thing is, like Clinton voters, you rarely see them on twitter or the evening news….

298
nowherenorth2  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:53:44pm

re: #289 Kragar

About one third of the country sticks with trump. That is his base.

So 1/3 of the country desides the fate for the other 2/3

Gtfoh

299
Skip Intro  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:55:59pm

re: #265 b.d. (bill d.)

Don’t worry, Trump will never go to prison. There isn’t one chance in a million of that ever happening.

300
Myron Falwell  Aug 4, 2017 • 4:57:41pm

re: #299 Skip Intro

Don’t worry, Trump will never go to prison. There isn’t one chance in a million of that ever happening.

Which, considering all of the Russians he’s pissed off, could be the worst thing to happen to him.

301
Jebediah, RBG  Aug 4, 2017 • 5:00:17pm

re: #282 petesh

I want him aware for as long as his pudgy frame holds out.

Yes!! I have been wishing for at least twenty years of him living with shame and humiliation.

302
fern01  Aug 4, 2017 • 5:00:32pm

re: #291 Kragar

Would you even care if he was guilty

Seems they have moved past the denial stage.

303
Jay C  Aug 4, 2017 • 5:17:20pm

re: #271 b.d. (bill d.)

He will go down in history as the biggest disgrace ever to occupy the White House until the effort, 40 years from now, to explain how he was right after all

Which efforts will probably work out about as well as the “alt” bio of James Buchanan I once read a review of. Synopsis: Old Buck was an unappreciated genius in keeping the country from devolving into civil war: except that Abe Lincoln came along and blew everything up.

I have a feeling that will look like brilliant scholarship compared to “Trump Revisionism” - which will probably start up the day after he’s tossed out of the WH, if not sooner.

304
TedStriker  Aug 4, 2017 • 5:42:48pm

re: #174 wrenchwench

Now I’m hungry.

The green chile-bacon cheeseburger I had at the Taos Inn as I was on my way back to ABQ to catch a flight home here to Nashville back in 2011 was pretty damn good.

A bit pricey, but good.

305
caseyjr  Aug 4, 2017 • 6:33:45pm

re: #162 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

She said that she was going to fisk the NYT. As someone who has had that word in his vocabulary for more than 60 years, it is clear what the word was and what it meansmin that context - intense fact-checking. What she intended to accomplish by using it is a different story and I think it was to stir up a nontroversy and make us look illiterate.

seeing as how the first “fisking” as such occurred in 2001 or 2, how can you have been using it for 60 years?

306
Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 4, 2017 • 7:09:57pm

re: #238 freetoken

Here’s a question out of left field: anyone here use the TOR browser?

I’ve always found TOR to be incredibly slow and ittitating.


This article has been archived.
Comments are closed.

Jump to top

Create a PageThis is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.
Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.
Last updated: 2016-01-01 10:29 am PST
LGF User's Guide RSS Feeds Tweet

Help support Little Green Footballs!

Subscribe now for ad-free access!Register and sign in to a free LGF account before subscribing, and your ad-free access will be automatically enabled.

Donate with
PayPal
Square Cash Shop at amazon
as an LGF Associate!
Recent PagesClick to refresh
Why You Can’t Take a Flag to a National Cemetery Why You Can't Take a Flag to Arlington (or other national veteran cemeteries) Stars and Stripes, reprinting with permission an article from the Washington Post, explains why you cannot take a flag to Arlington National Cemetery (or any other ...
Anymouse 🌹
2 days, 3 hours ago
Views: 291 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 2
Tweets: 0 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Another Democrat Starting Trump Impeachment Process Come on guys, get behind the bill. All of us. we should get behind this bill as it emerges as fast as we attacked the BCA. Following Donald Trump’s equivocating of white supremacists and those who oppose them in ...
Unshaken Defiance
3 days, 12 hours ago
Views: 505 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 0 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 1
Comments: 0
: 1
How Militias Became the Private Police for White Supremacists Magazine Guns to a protest? Clubs? We can not tolerate anti American militias. The bloody weekend in Charlottesville that began with several hundred chanting white supremacists on a torch-lit march will long be remembered for the searing image of a ...
Unshaken Defiance
3 days, 13 hours ago
Views: 503 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 0 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Starting in 2018, Police Dogs Injured in the Line of Duty Can Be Transported by EMS to Veterinary Clinics ST. CLAIR COUNTY, IL – Ambulances are for people. It’s always been the law of the land. In Illinois, it'll soon be "almost always". Illinois Governor, Bruce Rauner, signed House Bill 2661, Tuesday. It will allow police dogs to ...
Birth Control Works
3 days, 16 hours ago
Views: 488 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 0 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
The New War on Birth Control - Pacific Standard Although it wasn't clear at the time, the attack on Phillips marked the beginning of a new anti-contraception movement—conceived in the U.S., but unfolding in Africa, where women's frustrations with the dearth of safe, effective family planning options are ...
Birth Control Works
3 days, 17 hours ago
Views: 555 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1
Tweets: 1 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
M83 - Do It, Try It (David Wilson Video) M83 - Do It, Try It video by David Wilson. Following the video's premiere at Sundance Next Fest it is now available to watch online. The track is taken from M83's seventh studio album Junk, available to buy & ...
Thanos
4 days, 7 hours ago
Views: 436 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 0 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Marvel’s the Defenders It’s all coming together. Learn about The Defenders from the stars themselves: Charlie Cox, Krysten Ritter, Mike Colter and Finn Jones. Marvel’s The Defenders premieres globally August 18, 2017, only on Netflix. Watch The Defenders on Netflix: netflix.com SUBSCRIBE: ...
Thanos
4 days, 7 hours ago
Views: 467 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 0 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
AG Madigan Issues Guidelines for Responding to Sexual Assault Crimes “We took a comprehensive look at why sexual assault survivors rarely report their crimes to law enforcement, and it was clear that our criminal justice system can and must respond, investigate and better support survivors,” Illinois Attorney General Lisa ...
Birth Control Works
4 days, 13 hours ago
Views: 443 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 0 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
This 91-Year-Old Woman Just Earned Her Bachelor’s Degree After 10 Years of Studying The back-to-school commercials have started airing. The summer reading lists are coming due. It’s almost that time of year. And if students aren’t quite looking forward to getting back into their classrooms this month for another school year, the ...
Birth Control Works
4 days, 13 hours ago
Views: 336 • Comments: 1 • Rating: 1
Tweets: 0 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Give the Gift of LifeCJ was a good kid, he was a gentle soul. I could see a little of his mother and father in him. I didn't know we were alike in one way, that we were both addicts, until he was brain ...
Shropshire Slasher
4 days, 15 hours ago
Views: 271 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 0 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0