A Music Video From a Lost Age: Chris Whitley, “Wild Country”

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Chris Whitley was one of a kind, seemingly pulled right out of the wilderness with a beat-up guitar in his hands and incredible poetry flowing from his unique mind. I just discovered this great video, in which you can see his daughter Trixie who’s now an accomplished musician in her own right.

Chris died in 2005 at the age of 45, way too soon.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:49:11pm

Excuse me but I have to leave you with this very important video of a piece of baby fuzz that has escaped from the cuteness lab.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:54:39pm

This broke my heart.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:57:26pm

I’d say this is an indicator of they’re sane, not insane.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:58:44pm

re: #3 Blind Frog Belly White

Trump is giving them the perfect excuse to continue their nuclear program.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:59:52pm
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lawhawk  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:00:03pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Considering many of Gabby’s former teammates on USA Olympics have been abused, including Aly Raisman, it was absolutely wrong, and she’s already posted about that too:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:01:08pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Trump is giving them the perfect excuse to continue their nuclear program.

All they need do is look at the example of Iran - there’s no reason to trust any deal America makes with you, and no reason to believe anything you’re told by anyone lower than the POTUS, and every reason NOT TO believe anything the POTUS says.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:01:34pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:01:38pm

re: #5 goddamnedfrank

Pop music is a fucking pile of fuck in 2017, and these are two of the worst assholes getting super-rich from the pile.

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lawhawk  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:04:27pm

re: #7 Blind Frog Belly White

Better example: Libya. Libya had a nuclear program, and they gave it up. It didn’t stop regime change from coming for them either.

The Iran 6 Party deal helps everyone - gets eyes on Iran’s nuclear program, determines the time frame for development, and gives more time to work out a longer term deal. Iran doesn’t have to spend on nukes, neither does the rest of the region. That’s why after all the fuss about the deal initially, everyone’s quieted down because it’s doing exactly what it should do.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:05:02pm

Sorry, I meant to say “worst no-talent assholes.” Because they both suck without a platoon of producers and engineers and autotune technology and writers who don’t get credit. Not an ounce of real talent.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:06:29pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:06:30pm

A Kremlin-linked troll that has become infamous after having fooled thousands of Americans appears to have returned to Twitter more than a week ago. The account is proudly touting itself as a Russian troll in its Twitter bio, but Twitter has taken no action against it.

Using the pseudonym “Jenna Abrams” and photographs of a Russian woman, the troll account in its initial incarnation posted more than 25,000 tweets using an invented persona of a conservative American woman. Before it was shut down, “Abrams” amassed a following of more than 70,000 — including, according to a CNN analysis, former members of the Trump administration Michael Flynn and Sebastian Gorka, as well as Flynn’s son Michael Flynn Jr.

The account was on Twitter for years until the company determined it was part of a network of almost 3,000 accounts run by the Internet Research Agency, a troll army in St Petersburg, Russia, that has ties to the Kremlin, and shut it down. The House Intelligence Committee earlier this month released a list of IRA-linked accounts that Twitter had compiled and provided to the Committee; the Abrams account was among them.

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….there was a new Abrams Twitter account, @realJennaAbrams.

The new account, which began tweeting on November 8, doesn’t just boldly use the name Jenna Abrams in its handle. It also used, for a period, the same profile picture as the original account. And when it started tweeting, it immediately began mocking, in tweets and in its profile, American media’s coverage of the original account.

“This article is my favorite one,” the new account tweeted with a link to a Guardian story headlined, “Jenna Abrams: the Trump-loving Twitter star who never really existed.”

In its profile, the account included snippets from articles about it as if it were a movie being reviewed: “She is basically Vladimir Putin - The Guardian Russia’s best troll - Mashable”

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m0nkeyb0y  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:06:31pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

If the Republican moralizers really believed that female modesty is so important they would approve of devout Muslim women who cover their heads. The fact they they slander them for their modesty puts the lie to their alleged sexual propriety, just as their support of the Pussy-grabber in Chief does.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:06:53pm

re: #10 lawhawk

Better example: Libya. Libya had a nuclear program, and they gave it up. It didn’t stop regime change from coming for them either.

The Iran 6 Party deal helps everyone - gets eyes on Iran’s nuclear program, determines the time frame for development, and gives more time to work out a longer term deal. Iran doesn’t have to spend on nukes, neither does the rest of the region. That’s why after all the fuss about the deal initially, everyone’s quieted down because it’s doing exactly what it should do.

True, but I’d argue that the advent of Trump shows that you can’t depend on American democracy not to do something really stupid. I mean, before that, you could say, “Americans might not be entirely trustworthy, but they’re not crazy.”

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stpaulbear  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:07:24pm

I still love his first album. A woman I work with asked for a recommendation for an album to give to a young nephew that was just getting into blues guitar. It was an off-the-wall suggestion but she let me know that he loved the record. It feels good when you can turn someone on to something they never would have heard otherwise.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:07:38pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

Cindy’s taxes go down for 4 years.

That $2800 will have to stretch a long time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:08:37pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:09:46pm

North Korea has been the belligerent party on the peninsula for decades. And lets not forget the ISIL like lunacy with which some are punished there. Now thanks to Trump both sides are belligerent. But that is the situation only since Jan 20. If HRC had won, NK would be testing nukes and the submarines that one day can launch and kill our cities. MAD with two madmen.

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lawhawk  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:09:46pm

re: #17 The Ghost of a Flea

I question his math.

He’s claiming someone making $30,000 sees a $700 tax cut. I want to see the math, because the odds are it’s bullshit, and she’ll see hikes after the cuts disappear in a few years.

Oh, and the cuts get vaporized as health care costs spike and she’d end up paying far more out of pocket thanks to the GOP than at present. Net loss.

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Belafon  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:09:47pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

This chain of replies starting with this one spells it all out:

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Charles Johnson  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:10:14pm

re: #16 stpaulbear

I still love his first album. A woman I work with asked for a recommendation for an album to give to a young nephew that was just getting into blues guitar. It was an off-the-wall suggestion but she let me know that he loved the record. It feels good when you can turn someone on to something they never would have heard otherwise.

I still listen to “Living With the Law” all the time. It’s one of the all-time classics.

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EPR-radar  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:10:28pm

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

WTF was Tim Kaine doing voting in favor of this loon?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:11:19pm

re: #17 The Ghost of a Flea

Cindy’s taxes go down for 4 years.

That $2800 will have to stretch a long time.

As I look at the charts, it seems to me that people are looking at it wrong. People are saying “your taxes go down for 4 years, then they go up”. That sounds like they get reduced progressively.

In reality, your taxes go down the FIRST year, but they rise after that, in the sense that your 2019 taxes will be higher, your 2020 taxes higher still, etc. After 2025, they’ll be higher than they would have been without this bill in the first place.

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EPR-radar  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:13:04pm

re: #24 Blind Frog Belly White

As I look at the charts, it seems to me that people are looking at it wrong. People are saying “your taxes go down for 4 years, then they go up”. That sounds like they get reduced progressively.

In reality, your taxes go down the FIRST year, but they rise after that, in the sense that your 2019 taxes will be higher, your 2020 taxes higher still, etc. After 2025, they’ll be higher than they would have been without this bill in the first place.

As far as I can tell, in the GOP tax bill the tax cuts for the middle class and working poor are temporary vaporware, while the cuts for corporations and the rich aren’t.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:14:13pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:14:37pm

re: #20 lawhawk

I’m saying, even if I don’t question his premise—and your skepticism I wholly endorse—it’s peanuts.

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ObserverArt  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:14:39pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Pop music is a fucking pile of fuck in 2017, and these are two of the worst assholes getting super-rich from the pile.

Good review.

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lawhawk  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:14:52pm

The media still can’t help but trying to magic balance fairy the shit out of Trump, Moore, and sex harassers/sex predators:

They can’t help but bring up Bill Clinton despite Clinton already having paid the price for his actions - impeachment, financial settlements, law license suspension, etc.

The GOP will never hold Trump or Moore to account for this.

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:15:16pm

Quick, if you’re on the east coast, turn on MSNBC — Rachel Maddow is airing a scalding piece on Trump’s connection to Panamanian drugs and money laundering.

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Belafon  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:16:03pm

re: #29 lawhawk

The media still can’t help but trying to magic balance fairy the shit out of Trump, Moore, and sex harassers/sex predators:

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They can’t help but bring up Bill Clinton despite Clinton already having paid the price for his actions - impeachment, financial settlements, law license suspension, etc.

The GOP will never hold Trump or Moore to account for this.

I personally will not vote for Bill Clinton in 2020.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:16:26pm

re: #24 Blind Frog Belly White

You can’t spell “conservative” without “CON.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:17:23pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:17:39pm
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BeachDem  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:18:17pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

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lawhawk  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:18:58pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

The JCT explicitly noted that this is a lie.

Mnuchin ignores this while perpetuating the lie, and media outlets ignore the fact.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:19:53pm

This fucking asshole.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:20:43pm

I seem to be in a really bad mood tonight.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:21:19pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Fredo won’t be happy.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:23:16pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

I seem to be in a really bad mood tonight.

Hard to avoid most days anymore.

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ObserverArt  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:23:41pm

re: #29 lawhawk

The media still can’t help but trying to magic balance fairy the shit out of Trump, Moore, and sex harassers/sex predators:

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They can’t help but bring up Bill Clinton despite Clinton already having paid the price for his actions - impeachment, financial settlements, law license suspension, etc.

The GOP will never hold Trump or Moore to account for this.

They bring Clinton up because it freaking sells.

It sells because Fox and others made Bill and Hillary similar to The Rosenbergs. Only worse.

If the idiots in this country wouldn’t keep buying, it would all go away. But no.

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stpaulbear  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:23:48pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

I seem to be in a really bad mood tonight.

Here ya go:

The Soft Boys - I Wanna Destroy You

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EPR-radar  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:24:17pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

I seem to be in a really bad mood tonight.

Tim Kaine fucking up that confirmation vote was exceptionally irritating. I expect Republicans to be evil pieces of shit, and it is the Democrats’ job to maximally oppose the Republicans.

So WTF is it with three (D) Senators voting wrong on something like this confirmation, especially when one of the three (Tim Kaine) was the VP nominee?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:26:27pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:27:12pm

re: #43 EPR-radar

Manchin’s a Republican with a D after his name. I don’t know what to say about the other two besides Democrats rarely fail to disappoint.

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teleskiguy  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:27:38pm

Snow level is finally dropping. It’s been raining all day, had to wait until the sun went down for the precipitation to fall as the white stuff. The ski areas up high are finally getting a nice shot in the arm.

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Skip Intro  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:28:13pm

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

That is truly ugly.

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EPR-radar  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:30:44pm

re: #45 Skip Intro

Manchin’s a Republicam with a D after his name. I don’t know what to say about the other two besides Democrats rarely fail to disappoint.

Kaine really pisses me off because when he was made the VP pick there were concerns that he was wobbly on choice that were quickly managed by the campaign.

Well it seems those concerns were real.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:31:49pm

Drummers, they’re pretty much all cut from the same cloth, aren’t they?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:34:51pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:35:07pm

re: #49 FormerDirtDart

Drummers, they’re pretty much all cut from the same cloth, aren’t they?

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Heh, I just got finished practicing a bit and getting set up to record on my drum set.

Now I am inspired by the fast little critter.

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stpaulbear  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:35:55pm

re: #49 FormerDirtDart

Drummers, they’re pretty much all cut from the same cloth, aren’t they?

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Wipeout!

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Charles Johnson  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:37:11pm

I’ve watched a few of Jordan Klepper’s bits, but something is just not working for me. Not sure why, but it just seems forced and obvious and unfunny.

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teleskiguy  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:37:22pm

Smooth like buttah.

Instagram

My favourite way to unstrap the board :) #fuegoflip
#snowboarding #spectlife #organicclothing

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:37:51pm

I think only you West Coast and maybe Mountain Time Zone rocketry enthusiasts will be catching the early morning launch from Vandenberg

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Charles Johnson  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:42:44pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:43:23pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

Jon Lovitz had his club at Citywalk, and I knew some of the managers and the sound board guys. They hooked me up with one guy that wanted stills and video clips from his shows. Got that, but made the mistake of doing a deep dive into the scene thinking documentary. Long story short, dropped it like a hot rock. The music club scene can be hard, but that comedy club made the Viper room look like a cake walk.

All the comedy seems to come from terrible pain. One of the few times I reviewed our work and hit delete on the whole idea.

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Skip Intro  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:43:24pm

re: #55 FormerDirtDart

I think only you West Coast and maybe Mountain Time Zone rocketry enthusiasts will be catching the early morning launch from Vandenberg

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I live around 40 miles away from Vandenberg and I’ve got to say these launches are AWESOME!

This will be my fourth night this week getting up to watch this launch. I hope tonight’s the night.

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:45:30pm

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to be as stupid as the Trump family.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:46:34pm
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:47:12pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:47:15pm

re: #59 De Kolta Chair

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to be as stupid as Donald Trump.

What if he never knew…and this is all there is.

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jaunte  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:48:40pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s probably the sixth or seventh reference to guillotines/tumbrils I’ve seen in the last few days.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:50:16pm

re: #58 Skip Intro

Good luck, that must be amazing. Can you hear the rumble?

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:53:11pm

re: #23 EPR-radar

WTF was Tim Kaine doing voting in favor of this loon?

If I had to guess, Catholicism overruled women’s rights. Religion poisons everything.

Happy birthday to Mrs. Anymouse today. We spent the day in Sidney, tourism pearl of the Nebraska Panhandle. (We didn’t go to Cabela’s.)

We did go to eat at a Chinese buffet we frequent. Because we actually tip, the owners tend to treat us well.

FOX News Channel was on in both rooms of the restaurant; one room has the buffet area, and everyone in the restaurant was seated there (it was between lunch and dinner so the restaurant was lightly attended). I asked if we could sit on the other side (empty) and if the owner would shut off the television in that room. She did.

After that, others who came in would look in both rooms, then sit on the side with no television playing. (I’m trying to start a trend against state television here.)

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Skip Intro  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:53:55pm

re: #64 Unshaken Defiance

Good luck, that must be amazing. Can you hear the rumble?

No (fortunately). The first time I stayed up to watch one of these big momma’s take off I wasn’t sure where to look. There was no doubt once lift off took place.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:54:30pm
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calochortus  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:54:37pm

re: #65 Anymouse 🌹

Happy Birthday Mrs. Anymouse! And many more. Sounds like a fun day in the big city.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:56:12pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:56:28pm

re: #67 Charles Johnson

Sure. Jared forgot to include millions of dollars of possessions months ago. Poor kid seems to have the Sessions disease.

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Belafon  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:56:54pm

Robot doing a backflip: theverge.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:57:31pm

re: #69 FormerDirtDart

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Hillary Clinton is a bipedal homosapien who filled with dihyhrodgen monoxide and has 206 bones.

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 17, 2017 • 6:58:58pm

re: #61 FormerDirtDart

Aleksander Torshin and Vladimir Putin attending Torshin’s state funeral in the Kremlin tomorrow
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EPR-radar  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:01:08pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

Hillary Clinton is a bipedal homosapien who filled with dihyhrodgen monoxide and has 206 bones.

Therefore she’s a witch. Also, she turned me into a newt.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:01:40pm

re: #68 calochortus

Happy Birthday Mrs. Anymouse! And many more. Sounds like a fun day in the big city.

Well, not quite so much, she had to go to the doc and I had to go to the flag company in town to buy new flags for the village (ours are worn out). We did get to do some fun things like eat out and go shopping at Safeway.

We came home to a cooler in our mailbox. The state wants me to take a water sample from one of the wells looking for paraquat and biquat (the samples have to be iced, hence the cooler).

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whitebeach  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:06:35pm

re: #75 Anymouse 🌹

I had to go to the flag company in town to buy new flags for the village (ours are worn out).

It’s the constant goddam waving that does it. Tell the town they can save money by taking a knee once in a while.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:07:53pm

re: #65 Anymouse 🌹

Wishing Mrs. Anymouse a very Happy Birthday and a very good year!!

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calochortus  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:10:17pm

re: #75 Anymouse 🌹

Well, not quite so much, she had to go to the doc and I had to go to the flag company in town to buy new flags for the village (ours are worn out). We did get to do some fun things like eat out and go shopping at Safeway.

We came home to a cooler in our mailbox. The state wants me to take a water sample from one of the wells looking for paraquat and biquat (the samples have to be iced, hence the cooler).

Mmmmm, iced paraquat….

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:11:51pm

This TPM headline today made me feel somewhat more optimistic about our nation’s present circumstances:

Trump Campaign Subpoenas Came At A Busy Time For The Mueller Probe

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:12:58pm

re: #78 calochortus

Mmmmm, iced paraquat….

Back in the seventies we only got the liquid variety. ;-(

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calochortus  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:13:05pm

We bought a new Prius yesterday to replace the totaled one. A surprisingly painless process, possibly because the purchase was overseen by a small statue of Ganesh. As well as the fact that the salesman was a nice guy.

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Kragar  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:14:16pm
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calochortus  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:14:44pm

re: #80 De Kolta Chair

Back in the seventies we only got the liquid variety. ;-(

We’ve moved on to much higher quality treats. Artisanal herbicides.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:15:31pm

I guess my question from earlier today has been answered…

re: #323 FormerDirtDart

I don’t recall if Jared was on Dotard Jr’s Wiki-distribution list.
Anyone?
Without an actual paper trail, or self incrimination, proving perjury isn’t easy

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:16:01pm

leaving this for Bubblehead when he gets back:

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unproven innocence  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:16:05pm

OT: From TheRegister, another data breach, of sorts.
Massive US military social media spying archive left wide open in AWS S3 buckets
Dozens of terabytes exposed, your tax dollars at work
By Iain Thomson in San Francisco 17 Nov 2017 at 20:08

Excerpt (bolding is mine):

Three misconfigured AWS S3 buckets have been discovered wide open on the public internet containing “dozens of terabytes” of social media posts and similar pages - all scraped from around the world by the US military to identify and profile persons of interest.

The archives were found by veteran security breach hunter UpGuard’s Chris Vickery during a routine scan of open Amazon-hosted data silos, and these ones weren’t exactly hidden. The buckets were named centcom-backup, centcom-archive, and pacom-archive.
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Just one of the buckets contained 1.8 billion social media posts automatically fetched over the past eight years up to today.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:16:12pm

re: #82 Kragar

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Awful. Submarines are amazing bits of modern warfare but I would never want to be in one. Claustrophobia come to life.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:16:13pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:17:02pm

re: #87 HappyWarrior

You ever seen the film Das Boot?

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whitebeach  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:17:40pm

re: #82 Kragar

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Oh, man, sounds like there’s hope. Please let it work for these people.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:18:00pm

re: #82 Kragar

Never mind, didn’t see whole post

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:18:07pm

re: #80 De Kolta Chair

Back in the seventies we only got the liquid variety. ;-(

That is apparently what the state is trying to prevent here. Darn state government, wants to protect people from herbicides in the water or something.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:18:34pm
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unproven innocence  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:18:55pm

re: #89 teleskiguy

German for The Boat, as in submarine.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:19:29pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:19:38pm

re: #91 FormerDirtDart

That is not good news. I hope the boat is alright and its just something like a radio problem.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:19:38pm

re: #89 teleskiguy

You ever seen the film Das Boot?

No but I need to.

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teleskiguy  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:20:15pm

re: #94 unproven innocence

I saw the directors cut in the theater. Incredible film, deserves to be seen in a cinema.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:20:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:20:57pm

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Lumpy takes more than a knee for Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:21:21pm
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unproven innocence  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:21:25pm

re: #98 teleskiguy

Saw it in a cinema too, many years ago.

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:23:42pm

re: #83 calochortus

We’ve moved on to much higher quality treats. Artisanal herbicides.

I recall reading that there was, or may be, a connection to Parkinson’s.

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The Major  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:23:43pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

re: #89 teleskiguy

You ever seen the film Das Boot?

No but I need to.

Especially in the original German with subtitles - Siskel and Ebert gave Two Thumbs WAY UP…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:23:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:24:46pm

re: #104 The Major

Especially in the original German with subtitles - Siskel and Ebert gave Two Thumbs WAY UP…

Yeah if I’m going to watch it, I’ll watch it in the original German.

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whitebeach  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:25:03pm

re: #89 teleskiguy

You ever seen the film Das Boot?

By far the best submarine warfare movie ever made. Plus viewing it could easily be used by the Navy as a screening test for prospective submariners.

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The Major  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:25:28pm

re: #87 HappyWarrior

Awful. Submarines are amazing bits of modern warfare but I would never want to be in one. Claustrophobia come to life.

My older brother and a very good friend’s ex both served on 688’s.

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gocart mozart  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:26:20pm

Finally got around to checking out this website that Bob Cesca’s sometimes guest host Jackie something is a part of. Looks like a good resource.
investigaterussia.org

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:27:08pm

re: #108 The Major

My older brother and a very good friend’s ex both served on 688’s.

At one of my favorite beaches in Delaware, on the way there, you can see the watch towers that were used to detect submarines. Got a lot of respect for those guys and the guys who went in those submarines.

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Kragar  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:27:14pm

re: #89 teleskiguy

You ever seen the film Das Boot?

The only good line in any Uwe Boll movie was when he had some dipshit teen star ask Jürgen Prochnow, “What are you? A Uboat Commander?”

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calochortus  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:27:56pm

re: #103 De Kolta Chair

I recall reading that there was, or may be, a connection to Parkinson’s.

Whether that connection exists or not, that stuff definitely isn’t good for you.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:28:15pm
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The Major  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:28:21pm

re: #98 teleskiguy

I saw the directors cut in the theater. Incredible film, deserves to be seen in a cinema.

And everybody’s favorite punching bag, Michael Moore, stepped in and rescued the State Street Theater in Downtown Traverse City and holds an annual film festival up there.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:30:52pm

re: #108 The Major

My older brother and a very good friend’s ex both served on 688’s.

My wife’s brother served on boomers. They aren’t much better in the “roominess” department.

When I joined I was explicit about not wanting to serve on any ship designed to sink.

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The Major  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:32:25pm

New LGF Page as well…

Reuters Investigates: Ivanka Trump and the fugitive from Panama

Exclusive: How an alleged fraudster in Panama, working with Donald Trump’s daughter, helped make Trump’s first international hotel venture a success. The broker was in business with a money-launderer and two criminals from the former Soviet Union. Then he fled.

By NED PARKER, STEPHEN GREY, STEFANIE ESCHENBACHER, ROMAN ANIN, BRAD BROOKS and CHRISTINE MURRAY Filed Nov. 17, 2017, noon GMT

PANAMA CITY/TORONTO - In the spring of 2007, a succession of foreigners, many from Russia, arrived at Panama City airport to be greeted by a chauffeur who whisked them off in a white Cadillac with a Donald Trump logo on the side.

The limousine belonged to a business run by a Brazilian former car salesman named Alexandre Ventura Nogueira, who was offering the visitors a chance to invest in Trump’s latest project - a 70-floor tower called the Trump Ocean Club International Hotel and Tower. It was the future U.S. president’s first international hotel venture, a complex including residential apartments and a casino in a waterfront building shaped like a sail.

“Mr Nogueira was an outgoing and lively young man,” remembered Justine Pasek, who was crowned Miss Universe by Donald Trump in 2002 and was acting in 2007 as a spokesperson for Nogueira’s company, Homes Real Estate Investment & Services. “Everybody was so impressed with Homes as they seemed to be riding the top of the real estate boom at the time,” she said.

One of those Nogueira set out to impress was Ivanka, Trump’s daughter. In an interview with Reuters, Nogueira said he met and spoke with Ivanka “many times” when she was handling the Trump Organization’s involvement in the Panama development. “She would remember me,” he said.

Ivanka was so taken with his sales skills, Nogueira said, that she helped him become a leading broker for the development and he appeared in a video with her promoting the project.

A Reuters investigation into the financing of the Trump Ocean Club, in conjunction with the American broadcaster NBC News, found Nogueira was responsible for between one-third and one-half of advance sales for the project. It also found he did business with a Colombian who was later convicted of money laundering and is now in detention in the United States; a Russian investor in the Trump project who was jailed in Israel in the 1990s for kidnap and threats to kill; and a Ukrainian investor who was arrested for alleged people-smuggling while working with Nogueira and later convicted by a Kiev court.

Three years after getting involved in the Trump Ocean Club, Nogueira was arrested by Panamanian authorities on charges of fraud and forgery, unrelated to the Trump project. Released on $1.4 million bail, he later fled the country.

He left behind a trail of people who claim he cheated them, including over apartments in the Trump project, resulting in at least four criminal cases that eight years later have still to be judged.

Nogueira, 43, denies the charges and told Reuters in an email: “I am no Angel but not Devil either.”

Ivanka Trump declined to comment on her dealings with Nogueira. A White House spokesman referred questions to the Trump Organization. Alan Garten, the organization’s chief legal officer, said: “No one at the Trump Organization, including the Trump family, has any recollection of ever meeting or speaking with this individual.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:32:51pm

re: #89 teleskiguy

You ever seen the film Das Boot?

When I was a kid, I thought submarines were all designed like the Seaview in Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea. Then when I went to the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry and actually got to tour in a captured German Sub this 12 year old was SHOCKED to see how cramped and tight it was inside!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:34:05pm

re: #117 Joe Bacon 🌹

When I was a kid, I thought submarines were all designed like the Seaview in Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea. Then when I went to the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry and actually got to tour in a captured German Sub this 12 year old was SHOCKED to see how cramped and tight it was inside!

I love teaching history that way to kids. Make history come to life.

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:34:27pm

Mobile, Alabama, circa 1860

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:35:33pm

(me, too!)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:35:56pm

re: #119 De Kolta Chair

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Crazy for me to think that my dad’s parents’ grandparents were born into such a world. They weren’t from the South mind you but this was happening in the America they come of age in.

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teleskiguy  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:36:01pm

re: #119 De Kolta Chair

That’s actually Atlanta.

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Kragar  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:37:06pm

re: #117 Joe Bacon 🌹

My Granduncle was a submariner back during WWII, said they picked me because he was so short. Used to take me to the Submarine museum in Groton when we went back to visit.

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calochortus  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:41:33pm

re: #123 Kragar

I knew someone years ago who served on a nuclear submarine. Nice guy, but a little…different. Who knows if it was why he wanted to do that or the result of having done it?

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:46:12pm
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whitebeach  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:47:00pm

re: #117 Joe Bacon 🌹

When I was a kid, I thought submarines were all designed like the Seaview in Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea. Then when I went to the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry and actually got to tour in a captured German Sub this 12 year old was SHOCKED to see how cramped and tight it was inside!

In front of the Presbytere in New Orleans there used to be a prototype Confederate submarine. It never sailed AFAIK, thank Neptune. It made the U-boat in Das Boot look like a Carnival Cruise liner.

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gocart mozart  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:47:08pm

Turkey and cigarettes

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:47:49pm

I read through the last thread of reminiscing about people who used to be here.

I can’t imagine ever wanting to be part of such a crew. That might explain why I’ve only been here since Dec 3, 2015. (Second anniversary coming up.)

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:48:17pm

re: #127 gocart mozart

Wow. That’s one habit I am glad I gave up.

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gocart mozart  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:48:19pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:48:55pm

re: #128 Anymouse 🌹

I read through the last thread of reminiscing about people who used to be here.

I can’t imagine ever wanting to be part of such a crew. That might explain why I’ve only been here since Dec 3, 2015. (Second anniversary coming up.)

You post at a place awhile and people come and go. Some you miss and some you have to really think about to remember heh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:49:15pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:49:52pm

re: #130 gocart mozart

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Man if only the technology had been invented sooner, that’s one speech I wish I could have heard delivered as it was actually delivered. Still perhaps the best speech by an American president. And he wrote it by himself.

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gocart mozart  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:50:05pm
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meteor  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:53:25pm
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whitebeach  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:56:03pm

re: #134 gocart mozart

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Mozart, I updinged you, but please don’t start a series of things that happened in the fall of 1963. I’ll cry all over you if you do.

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The Major  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:57:04pm

re: #81 calochortus

I went from a purchased RAV4 to a leased Subaru Forester (since I’m a telcommuter, I don’t drive all that much) - there is no comparison at all - the Forester just wipes the RAV4 seven ways to Sunday it’s not even a contest. And the best part was I got a $6,000 equity check in the process that I used to buy my mother her 2017 Impreza, which i converted originally from a fully paid-off lease into an outright purchase, so now I have a vehicle that I can put as many miles on it as I want - and since both have Eyesight, it’s tres kewl since Eyesight does automatic throttle management (and will become standard equipment on all new passenger cars come 2022)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:59:07pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:01:23pm
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calochortus  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:02:39pm

re: #137 The Major

Our other car is a Forester which is absolutely wonderful for travel-particularly since we often find ourselves on dirt roads when we’re out an about. We love the adaptive cruise control and Mr. C. is particularly pleased that we have that feature on the new Prius, as well.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:03:45pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:04:34pm
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De Kolta Chair  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:05:17pm

re: #125 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

“Al Frankenstien.” Typical Trump twitter typo or antisemitic code?

You decide!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:05:36pm

re: #134 gocart mozart

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I’ll never forget how hard Grandma laughed at this scene. She almost fell off of the couch!

Jonathon Winters’ Finest Hour

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Citizen K  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:05:57pm

re: #142 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Video admission clearly didn’t hurt Fredo’s dad, so…

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plansbandc  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:06:29pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

Not sure if I will ever be a good mood again as long as the orange bag is our so called leader. Christ it fucking sucks.

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gocart mozart  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:06:37pm

re: #136 whitebeach

Sorry. Guy is a presidential historian, has a lot of cool pictures on his twitter feed.
is 1863 OK?

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teleskiguy  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:08:27pm

It’s snowing an inch per hour on the continental divide near the Eisenhower Tunnel.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:09:10pm

re: #142 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Whatever Dumbo Jr. At least Franken acted like a man and faced his accuser without resorting to slandering their character like your asshole of a father did. Oh and Franken doesn’t lust after his own daughter either. I’d be careful with your girls around your Dad given what your Dad said about your half sister too.

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:11:40pm

re: #144 Joe Bacon 🌹

W stands for the Wacky Wonderful Winters!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:11:58pm

re: #147 gocart mozart

Sorry. Guy is a presidential historian, has a lot of cool pictures on his twitter feed.
is 1860 OK?

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God, I wish we could have him in charge right now and not the ignorant cheeto.

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gocart mozart  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:14:52pm

re: #144 Joe Bacon 🌹

Favorite cameos

It’s a Mad Mad Mad Mad World - Three Stooges

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jaunte  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:14:55pm

re: #142 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:15:51pm

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whitebeach  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:16:42pm

re: #144 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’ll never forget how hard Grandma laughed at this scene. She almost fell off of the couch!

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Video

Maybe not his funniest, but he had more reason than most folks to hate psychiatrists and men in white coats.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:18:13pm

re: #153 jaunte

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But according the Huckster Sanders, they don’t count because something.

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jaunte  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:23:01pm

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Because her boss, who creates the reality they live in, has “not admitted” anything. Officially. Outside the locker room, or bus.

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:24:04pm

re: #122 teleskiguy

That’s actually Atlanta.

Thanks for the correction. I defer to Mr. Beschloss’ expertise, as well as to the better angels of his nature. I know I wouldn’t be as polite on tv.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:27:47pm

re: #157 jaunte

Because her boss, who creates the reality they live in, has “not admitted” anything. Officially. Outside the locker room, or bus.

Yeah I saw that. What the hell was that?

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teleskiguy  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:33:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:34:12pm

re: #160 teleskiguy

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My favorite thing I saw from Rollins was when Maher tried to get him to cosign off on something and HR wasn’t going to have it.

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teleskiguy  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:35:38pm

re: #161 HappyWarrior

I’m not a fan of Joe Rogan but his podcast with Henry Rollins is excellent.

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:36:53pm

Good night all!

Youngbloods - Beautiful

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teleskiguy  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:43:49pm

About time!

Too bad a dry warm weather pattern will persist after this storm moves through.

😠

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plansbandc  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:44:41pm

Off topic and for no real reason, watched Raiders of the Lost Ark last night again for the eleventy thousandth time. Still a completely entertaining movie. 4 stars, will watch another five thousand times.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:48:33pm

Shit just got real.

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teleskiguy  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:51:54pm

re: #165 plansbandc

Off topic and for no real reason, watched Raiders of the Lost Ark last night again for the eleventy thousandth time. Still a completely entertaining movie. 4 stars, will watch another five thousand times.

This will never not crack me up.

Giphy

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:52:50pm

Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq., paragon of sanity, citing Gateway Pundit, calls on Sen. Al Franken to resign.

I’m guessing “nah.”

orlytaitzesq.com

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retired cynic  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:53:41pm

re: #167 teleskiguy

This will never not crack me up.

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I am so with you. I busted out laughing in the movie theatre (along with everyone else) and still laugh every time I think of it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:56:30pm

This potential screwing with wire line telephone service floated by the FCC (Ajit Pai and friends) to allow telephone monopolies to shut down copper wire service without providing some sort of replacement (fibre, wireless, &c) if it goes through could wind up with me having no Internet or telephone service. I have no faith in my telephone company to keep up our telephone service.

If that happens, it was nice knowing y’all.

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jaunte  Nov 17, 2017 • 8:56:58pm

GoFundTrump’sLegalTeam

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 17, 2017 • 9:07:15pm

re: #170 Anymouse 🌹

Ajit Pai is a dangerous motherfucker.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 9:12:40pm

Puerto Rico Utility Head Resigns, Leaves the Lights Off for ‘Em (goes to Wonkette, more at the link):

With power only restored to about half of Puerto Rico — at least between blackouts — the director of the bankrupt territory-owned electric utility has resigned. Ricardo Ramos, who oversaw awarding that $300 million no-bid contract to grifty Montana contractor Whitefish Energy shortly after Hurricane Maria — has stepped down as head of the Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority (PREPA), and will now presumably slink off into the darkness. Ramos hit the road as congressional committees, the FBI, and the inspector general of Homeland Security have all launched investigations into the Whitefish deal.

Oh, yes, and on top of the important question of whether PREPA’s deal with Whitefish was corrupt or merely incredibly inept (why not both?) there was one more little thing hanging over Ramos, as the Washington Post reports:

Prior to the announcement of Ramos’ resignation, local newspaper El Vocero had reported on Friday that Ramos had awarded a nearly $100,000 contract to an attorney for consulting work just days after Hurricane Irma brushed past Puerto Rico. It was the same attorney Ramos previously had tried to appoint as sub-director of the power company. Rossello said that contract also will be reviewed.

Read more at wonkette.com

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Belafon  Nov 17, 2017 • 9:13:55pm

re: #132 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m imagining Sylvester testing to see if the dog is around.

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Belafon  Nov 17, 2017 • 9:24:33pm

re: #169 retired cynic

I am so with you. I busted out laughing in the movie theatre (along with everyone else) and still laugh every time I think of it.

Another cool thing about it is that it was a rewrite by Ford who was sick and just didn’t want to do the actual scene. Dysentery to the rescue.

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retired cynic  Nov 17, 2017 • 9:26:13pm

re: #175 Belafon

Another cool thing about it is that it was a rewrite by Ford who was sick and just didn’t want to do the actual scene. Dysentery to the rescue.

I didn’t know that. Thanks!

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 17, 2017 • 9:26:23pm

Charles, just fyi embedded tweets haven’t been displaying properly for me in LGF threads for the last few days (the images & twitter avis don’t show up) but they do display properly when I load the lgf comment by itself (by clicking on the post number.)

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 17, 2017 • 9:31:38pm

re: #136 whitebeach

Mozart, I updinged you, but please don’t start a series of things that happened in the fall of 1963. I’ll cry all over you if you do.

My little sister was born :-)

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 9:35:53pm

A Postmodern Jukebox diversion from the week’s amazingly bad events.

Who Can It Be Now? - Men At Work (’40s Jazz Cover) ft. Sara Niemietz

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 17, 2017 • 9:37:40pm

re: #134 gocart mozart

View image on Twitter
Michael Beschloss ✔@BeschlossDC
“It’s a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World” premiered this week 1963:

My whole family went to the movie. I remember sitting next to my mother at our local theater, the Byrd (?- maybe) on Madison Ave in Chicago.

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Kragar  Nov 17, 2017 • 9:41:05pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 9:46:40pm

The top hit from Billboard for every year from 1940-2016. (17:05)

Turns out I am already familiar with the song from my birth year (Percy Faith’s “Theme from a Summer Place”) and have always liked it.

Doesn’t fit very well with the music I listen to now though.

The Most Popular Song of Each Year [1940-2016]

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teleskiguy  Nov 17, 2017 • 9:50:51pm
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freetoken  Nov 17, 2017 • 9:51:39pm

re: #177 goddamnedfrank

I’ve had problems with tweets displaying correctly too, but that has been going on and off for some time.

Whatever my setup on my Mac and Chrome is making of tweets, one thing they will not do is play the media in a tweet.

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The Major  Nov 17, 2017 • 9:58:39pm

re: #170 Anymouse 🌹

If that happens, it was nice knowing y’all.

Guess what ? It already happened to me up here in Northern MI. I tried to order wireline service, but was told by AT&T that they could not provide it - even though they had done so a decade ago. WTF?

Now I get to write a letter to the Michigan Public Services Commission pitching a bitch about this - even though actually getting it would actually cost me more than what I eventually wound up doing (using Spectrum Internet and $10/mo T-Mobile LineLink….)

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freetoken  Nov 17, 2017 • 10:09:50pm

America, 2017:

‘A Bible nation from the beginning’: A preview of Washington’s controversial $500M Museum of the Bible

[…]

“People often wonder, ‘Will the museum be presenting a literal interpretation? Or a different interpretation of Genesis?’” Bickley said. “We don’t enter into that; we don’t get into theology or points of view. We just tell the story that’s actually in the Bible.”

[…]

When the museum opens, visitors will be able to wander a reimagined Nazareth village and interact with roaming actors wearing ancient Israeli garb. […]

Creationists tend to be so self-delusional that they can’t even admit what they are trying to do.

In this case, by making a diorama/set for a village named
“Nazareth”, the museum is intentionally presenting a literal approach to the Gospels, at least one of them. And for those of you not aware of the inherent problem in the Nazareth narratives, the entire proposition that the NT central character was from such a village is very problematic.

And it’s quite clear that the entire museum really is intended to further the cause of theocracy, and even supporters can see that:

“Incredible. Outstanding,” said Doug Gustafson, who scored a VIP tour through a family friend.

“It’s going to have incredible impact on people and bring the Bible alive and make it way more meaningful,” added his wife, Leslie. “People are going to get it. They’ll have opportunity to get it. And from so many vantage points.”

The inherent dishonesty in trying to say this museum is not taking “positions” is staggering.

But then again, DC has now turned into Trumpland, and America is in delusions of all sorts.

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Nyet  Nov 17, 2017 • 10:14:56pm

re: #186 freetoken

Creationists tend to be so self-delusional that they can’t even admit what they are trying to do.

In this case, by making a diorama/set for a village named
“Nazareth”, the museum is intentionally presenting a literal approach to the Gospels, at least one of them.

Since they don’t claim that they are not presenting a literal approach to the gospels, I don’t see a contradiction or self-delusion on this point.

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whitebeach  Nov 17, 2017 • 10:22:10pm

re: #182 Anymouse 🌹

The top hit from Billboard for every year from 1940-2016. (17:05)

Turns out I am already familiar with the song from my birth year (Percy Faith’s “Theme from a Summer Place”) and have always liked it.

Doesn’t fit very well with the music I listen to now though.

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Video

Thanks for this, mouse. Your birth-year tune, “Summer Place,” was one of many pretty melodies that fueled and refueled my lifelong ambition to be a simple, happy beachbum. I’m still shooting for that.

Mine was “Sentimental Journey,” not the best but not the worst.

IMHO, the luckiest people in this lottery of songs were those born in 1962. Ray Charles doing “I Can’t Stop Loving You” is just way better than anything else on the list.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 17, 2017 • 10:35:53pm
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Pineapple Pizzagate  Nov 17, 2017 • 10:43:46pm

re: #189 goddamnedfrank

A bargain!

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 10:46:04pm

Juanita Jean is right pissed at her county sheriff (the fascist-curious fellow who wanted to arrest a pickup truck owner with a Trump sticker he found offensive, cause you know, Trump’s folks never wore t-shirts with offensive language).

It turns out the woman he had arrested on an outstanding warrant (which now looks dubious) also worked for the sheriff in the past.

Turns out the sheriff also has his degree from Liberty University (in other words, I am better qualified to be a sheriff having never been to college than this miseducated fool).

You wanna hear something that is so chicken poop it takes the prize of all chicken poop everywhere for all time? In the World Series of chicken poop, this wins five games straight.

Remember the woman who had the F*** Trump sticker on her pick up truck and the sheriff in my damn county, Troy Nehls, issued a threat against her civil rights on damn Facebook?

The sheriff is fixing to announce that he’s running for congress in the Republican primary against incumbent Pete Olson. This whole Facebook thing backfired horribly on him. Nehls said in the Facebook post that the local district attorney has agreed to file charges against the owner of the truck. The district attorney responded that he never said any such thing because he understands the First Amendment and supports it.

Oops. Egg on face alert.

The sheriff’s department issues a statement.

Fort Bend County Sheriff’s spokeswoman Caitlin Espinosa said Sheriff Nehls was no longer commenting on the matter following threats to his wife and children after the post went viral on social and news media.

She notes this is the fourth time he’s hidden behind his wife and children when something he did blew up in his face. More at Juanita Jean’s about another Republican constitutionally-minded sheriff.
juanitajean.com

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stpaulbear  Nov 17, 2017 • 10:55:31pm

re: #182 Anymouse 🌹

The top hit from Billboard for every year from 1940-2016. (17:05)

God, that was depressing.

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majii  Nov 17, 2017 • 10:55:34pm

re: #191 Anymouse 🌹

“…She notes this is the fourth time he’s hidden behind his wife and children when something he did blew up in his face.”

He reminds me of Scott Baio.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 17, 2017 • 11:14:26pm

I can imagine how this Museum of the Bible will look to small children, and the conclusions they are likely to draw from it. I remember being in Sunday school when I was just 4 or 5 and hearing the various Bible, mostly New Testament, stories. I was under the distinct impression that the events described were happening in heaven and in the present day. I thought each week’s lesson was kind of an update on the intervening week’s events in the celestial domain. I first learned about numbers in kindergarten, when I was 5, and took to the concept immediately. It didn’t take me long to realize that the Bible stories were about the distant past in this same world. The illustrations in our books had contributed to the misconception, since they did not resemble any world with which I was familiar.

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Nyet  Nov 17, 2017 • 11:27:52pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 11:32:02pm

re: #185 The Major

Guess what ? It already happened to me up here in Northern MI. I tried to order wireline service, but was told by AT&T that they could not provide it - even though they had done so a decade ago. WTF?

Now I get to write a letter to the Michigan Public Services Commission pitching a bitch about this - even though actually getting it would actually cost me more than what I eventually wound up doing (using Spectrum Internet and $10/mo T-Mobile LineLink….)

We don’t have cell phone service here. If my phone service ends, that’s it for my Internet service (and having a telephone at all).

While a local wireless Internet provider made a pitch at our village board last month to set up service on top of our water tower, that deal is far from being completed (if it ever is - the problem being the few customers they could service in the village and immediate area outside town). For those here without computers (as this is an Internet company), I’m not sure how they could easily restore telephone service if our wire service was to end.

The last time we lost telephone service here (someone hit a telephone pole outside town), it took two weeks to restore telephone and Internet service. The telephone company isn’t real big on jumping on problems here when we have them (which is why my Internet is out for days at a time … on the other hand that’s a bonus for y’all).

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 11:37:11pm

re: #192 stpaulbear

God, that was depressing.

No, this is. Percy Faith re-recorded “Summer Place” as a Disco piece in late 1975.

Percy Faith - Summer Place ‘76 (1975)

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 11:42:37pm
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The Major  Nov 17, 2017 • 11:44:47pm

re: #196 Anymouse 🌹

In your scenario, the FCC would be forced to step in and mandate that your ILEC (CenturyLink) continue your wire-line service or one of the big 4 Cellular Providers (AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint) establish service. I’m actually surprised that there isn’t some small mom-and-pop operated cell service out in your neck of the woods - but then again, when you look at the coverage maps, some areas do look rather sparse - when I traveled through Wisconsin, I would see several odd named carriers pop up on my cell phone - my most memorable one was - honest to god was named “Bugtussel Wireless”.

Anybody remember what TV series Bugtussel was mentioned in ?

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 11:47:58pm

Roy Moore’s Wife: President Trump Owes Us a “Thank You” for Diverting Attention from Russia Probe.

I’ll tell you what, no one can accuse conservatives of being anything resembling ethical.

abcnews.go.com (video, 4:30. Attacks the “liberal press,” supports anti-LGBT agenda, supports II Amendment, good Christians under attack …)

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 11:51:22pm

re: #199 The Major

In your scenario, the FCC would be forced to step in and mandate that your ILEC (CenturyLink) continue your wire-line service or one of the big 4 Cellular Providers (AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint) establish service. I’m actually surprised that there isn’t some small mom-and-pop operated cell service out in your neck of the woods - but then again, when you look at the coverage maps, some areas do look rather sparse - when I traveled through Wisconsin, I would see several odd named carriers pop up on my cell phone - my most memorable one was - honest to god was named “Bugtussel Wireless”.

Anybody remember what TV series Bugtussel was mentioned in ?

We have a wireless service in town … the signal from the tower only goes about four hundred yards (not as far as my house - four blocks). Along US-26 it covers about 1/4 mile each way. The up-and-coming mom-and-pop is the company that made the pitch to the village board last month.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 11:55:07pm

Germany supplants USA as country with best global reputation.

cnn.com

The USA dropped from #1 to #6 in the Age of Trump.

The pollster says the USA has never dropped from number one position for more than one year, and thinks it will be “interesting” to see if that holds true next year.

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The Major  Nov 17, 2017 • 11:57:45pm

re: #201 Anymouse 🌹

The up-and-coming mom-and-pop is the company that made the pitch to the village board last month.

Some of the WISP gear/providers have a much better range than a 1/4 mile for sure - some have rangers of 3-4 miles or more - but require true line-of-sight to the tower, which, in your case, is the water tower. I think the Motorola Canopy gear is capable of that, but I’m not 100% sure. Ideally, you really want a fiber run, then coax, then twisted pair (which is what you have with CenturyLink as your ILEC)

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 18, 2017 • 12:01:49am

Search engine to the rescue:

“Bug Tussle” appears in the TV show The Beverly Hillbillies in one episode.

Five states have towns named either Bug Tussle or Bugtussle. A Speaker of the US House is from Bugtussle, Oklahoma (Carl Albert, D, 1971-1977, died in 2000)

The fascinating story of towns named Bugtussle and the states they are in (two Bugtussles are thirty miles apart):

runitbyfred.com

You’re welcome. Another useless piece of trivia brought to you from Chez Tumbleweed, Ltd.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 18, 2017 • 12:04:18am

re: #186 freetoken

IIRC, isn’t the problem that there was no village called “Nazareth”?

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 18, 2017 • 12:04:26am

re: #203 The Major

Some of the WISP gear/providers have a much better range than a 1/4 mile for sure - some have rangers of 3-4 miles or more - but require true line-of-sight to the tower, which, in your case, is the water tower. I think the Motorola Canopy gear is capable of that, but I’m not 100% sure. Ideally, you really want a fiber run, then coax, then twisted pair (which is what you have with CenturyLink as your ILEC)

I think we have two cans and a very long string.

The current wireless is from Viero, on a tower on the south edge of town where it covers US-26. As for how we get our wired service, the house has twisted pair (as does every house); the Central Office for CenturyLink is a block south and a block east.

Down the county road on the east edge of town there is a fibre-optic cable, but my understanding is we are not connected to that (it is not owned by CenturyLink).

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 18, 2017 • 12:10:17am

Chuck Grassley Says It’s Wrong To Deny Judicial Nominees A Hearing, Why Do You Ask? (Goes to Wonkette, more at the link):

The nomination of David Stras to be federal district court judge for Minnesota had been blocked by Al Franken because Franken objected to Stras being chosen by the rightwing Federalist Society instead of by a committee of members of the Minnesota legal community. Plus, Stras is a loon who once complained that the Supreme Court had meddled in all sorts of matters it shouldn’t have, “contentious areas of social policy — such as school integration, abortion, and homosexual rights.” You know how contentious the integration is, you know. But damned if Chuck Grassley will allow a president’s judicial nominees to be held up purely for political reasons: …

Grassley says he will end the “blue slip” procedure, whereby a state’s law societies weigh in on nominees.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 18, 2017 • 12:33:58am

The blue slip procedure was also suspended by Republicans when Bill Clinton was President. Patrick Leahy restored it, presuming conservatives actually are interested in bipartisanship.

This wingnuttery isn’t new. At no time in my life have conservatives ever been interested in anything but power. Not compromise, not bipartisanship, power.

It is why Chuck Grassley objects unironically about holding up judicial nominees, when the GOP did it all through the Obama Administration. The nominee Al Franken is holding up is one who thinks it was judicial overreach to integrate schools.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 18, 2017 • 12:42:16am

I’m aware this is from the Daily Mail Fail, but it’s a well-written article about recent events in Zimbabwe.

dailymail.co.uk

In secret conversations with his army comrades, Mnangagwa decided to activate a plan they had mapped out to remove the ageing Mugabe from power.

The coup would be carried out in Zimbabwe — but it was made in China.

For I can reveal that, after secret telephone discussions with his ally General Chiwenga back in Zimbabwe, Mnangagwa boarded another aircraft — this time headed for Beijing. He was to be a guest of the Chinese government.

Around the same time, General Chiwenga informed Mugabe he had routine business in China, which has supported Mugabe’s regime for years with cash and weapons in return for access to its lucrative diamond mines and other minerals.

He also flew out to Beijing.

So it was that Mnangagwa and Chiwenga discussed their plans with Chinese officials. It’s instructive to learn that both men had been trained at China’s Nanjing Military School.

The two Zimbabweans had also been the architects of many of the lucrative deals struck between China and Harare, including a multi-billion-pound diamond mining deal, which could have made the country rich, but instead was riddled with rampant corruption, with some £15 billion believed to have been pilfered in one year alone.

Full credit to Andrew Malone for writing a very good article; of course, the DM is a tabloid, so this is a bit like finding a diamond in the rough. A bit tabloid-y, to be sure, but it is at least informative.

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Pineapple Pizzagate  Nov 18, 2017 • 12:43:02am

re: #197 Anymouse 🌹

No, this is. Percy Faith re-recorded “Summer Place” as a Disco piece in late 1975.

I’d buy that for a dollar

Percy Faith - First Light

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 18, 2017 • 12:46:32am
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 18, 2017 • 1:03:46am

Kim Davis is running for reëlection for county clerk in Rowan County Kentucky. A gay man who she refused to issue a marriage license is filing to run against her.

Utah Outcasts, a group of atheists stranded in Utah has the information (nsfw, because atheists don’t ascribe magical power to certain words).

FOX News Channel also weighs in, without mentioning she has drawn a challenger she denied rights under the law.

foxnews.com

Kim Davis is Running for a Second Term

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wheat-dogg  Nov 18, 2017 • 1:17:48am

re: #209 Dr Lizardo

Fascinating story. And the description of China’s role in the not-a-coup, but-ok-it’s-a-coup is spot-on, IMO. China has become a colonial power of sorts in Africa. While it does not worry about human rights and democratic values, as the USA would, it does care very much about ROI. Mugabe suddenly dying (if that’s possible when one is 93) would certainly plunge Zim into chaos, with Grace desperately trying to hold onto power and the military just as desperately trying to get rid of her. So, China wanting a smooth, if somewhat undemocratic transition makes a lot of sense.

China has plunged billions into projects in Africa, all with economic strings attached. It remains to be seen what China would do if an African debtor nation tried to nationalize Chinese-built projects or refused to pay its debts to China.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 18, 2017 • 1:22:44am

re: #213 wheat-dogg

Fascinating story. And the description of China’s role in the not-a-coup, but-ok-it’s-a-coup is spot-on, IMO. China has become a colonial power of sorts in Africa. While it does not worry about human rights and democratic values, as the USA would, it does care very much about ROI. Mugabe suddenly dying (if that’s possible when one is 93) would certainly plunge Zim into chaos, with Grace desperately trying to hold onto power and the military just as desperately trying to get rid of her. So, China wanting a smooth, if somewhat undemocratic transition makes a lot of sense.

China has plunged billions into projects in Africa, all with economic strings attached. It remains to be seen what China would do if an African debtor nation tried to nationalize Chinese-built projects or refused to pay its debts to China.

From what I’m hearing from friends in East African countries - and reading on assorted websites - is that other national leaders are scared shitless they might be next…..most particularly, Uganda’s Yoweri Museveni, who’s been in power for waaaay too long.

I also wonder what China would do if an African debtor nation tried to stiff them? I’m thinking a hard coup, 180 the opposite of what we just saw in Zimbabwe.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2017 • 1:36:25am

re: #89 teleskiguy

You ever seen the film Das Boot?

and the Sequel, Der Shoe

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Nyet  Nov 18, 2017 • 1:40:26am

re: #205 Dr Lizardo

IIRC, isn’t the problem that there was no village called “Nazareth”?

Since Nazareth existed during the writing of the Gospels, why wouldn’t it have existed a few decades earlier?
There may not be mentions during Jesus’ time, but it is mentioned somewhat later and one would be hard pressed to claim that Jews took the name from the Gospels.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2017 • 1:41:16am

re: #130 gocart mozart

Lincoln speaks at Gettysburg, November 19, 1863

that photo taken directly after the speech. It was over so fast that it caught the photographer unaware. He was expecting something much lengthier.

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Nyet  Nov 18, 2017 • 1:42:36am
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wheat-dogg  Nov 18, 2017 • 2:03:18am

re: #182 Anymouse 🌹

The top hit from Billboard for every year from 1940-2016. (17:05)

Turns out I am already familiar with the song from my birth year (Percy Faith’s “Theme from a Summer Place”) and have always liked it.

Doesn’t fit very well with the music I listen to now though.

[Embedded content]

Video

Cool. I got a few random remarks.

Music was really kinda dull until I was born (1956). You’re welcome. //

I used “Tossin’ and Turnin’” in class last week to spice up a lesson about sleep terms — both the original and the Joan Jett cover 22 years later. My Chinese students (who prefer “light” music) liked the original better.

Many more African-American acts in the years after 1997 or so, than before.

Where the hell was Michael Jackson? Did some of those tracks really outperform his on the charts?

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wheat-dogg  Nov 18, 2017 • 2:08:41am

re: #214 Dr Lizardo

From what I’m hearing from friends in East African countries - and reading on assorted websites - is that other national leaders are scared shitless they might be next…..most particularly, Uganda’s Yoweri Museveni, who’s been in power for waaaay too long.

I also wonder what China would do if an African debtor nation tried to stiff them? I’m thinking a hard coup, 180 the opposite of what we just saw in Zimbabwe.

China now has a navy, of sorts, and some air power, but I can’t see it capable of sending the PLA in force to Africa. From what I’ve read, the PLA is poorly trained and undisciplined, despite its superior numbers. I’m pretty sure the government intends the PLA only to be used domestically. So, any reprisals would have to be economic, or using proxy forces.

Fun fact: the mission of the PLA is to protect the Communist Party of China, not the people or the nation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2017 • 2:19:40am

re: #194 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I remember being in Sunday school when I was just 4 or 5 and hearing the various Bible, mostly New Testament, stories. I was under the distinct impression that the events described were happening in heaven and in the present day. I thought each week’s lesson was kind of an update on the intervening week’s events in the celestial domain. …The illustrations in our books had contributed to the misconception, since they did not resemble any world with which I was familiar.

That is a fascinating theological interpretation of the Bible for a five-year-old.

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Kragar  Nov 18, 2017 • 2:41:22am

Finished up a project I’ve had on my desk for a while…

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Nyet  Nov 18, 2017 • 2:53:09am

Who the f is “Maddies Mom”?

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 18, 2017 • 2:57:03am

I’m off to bed. Fighting the blue fight in a very red area takes a lot out of you …

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I cannot.  Nov 18, 2017 • 2:59:22am

re: #222 Kragar

And who is this well-painted dude?

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teleskiguy  Nov 18, 2017 • 3:02:26am
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Kragar  Nov 18, 2017 • 3:08:44am

re: #225 I cannot.

Cypher

“I know not if he represents the greatest threat or greatest hope for the future of the Imperium. I only pray we stop him before we find out.” - Inquisitor Bastalek Grim

Cypher is one of the Fallen Angels of the Dark Angels Space Marine Chapter, and one of the few members of that Loyalist Chapter believed to have turned to Chaos during the Horus Heresy in the early 31st Millennium. Cypher is a being wrapped in shadow, an entity whose every move is cloaked in mystery. His motives and methods are themselves an enigma; even the name or title by which he is known seems to conceal something, although whether it is a metaphor or yet another conundrum is unknown. To the Imperium at large, Cypher is either wholly unknown, or a being of shadowy rumour that seems to be somehow connected to or sought by the Dark Angels and their Successor Chapters. To the Unforgiven, Cypher is a being of legend and untold speculation. Cypher is the one whom the Masters of the Dark Angels seek above all others, for he is their most hated foe.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 18, 2017 • 3:13:09am

Poor Kenny

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Dave In Austin  Nov 18, 2017 • 3:50:13am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2017 • 3:51:45am

re: #229 Dave In Austin

Is this the horrifying Al Franken kiss?
I’m sorry but, I am very skeptical now as to whether he forced an unwanted kiss on her. Mostly because she is clutching him so tightly.

You are looking at this the wrong way. When viewed through Fox Goggles, this is the moral equivalent of sexually molesting a 14-year-old.

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2017 • 5:31:14am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area.

I see so many media pundits and outlets are trying to magic balance fairy the shit out of the Franken mess.

Really?

On the scale of wrongdoing (alleged, with evidence, admitted by the parties involved) - from least bad to worst of the worst:

Franken - a single admitted instance of unwanted groping, victim accepted apology
(shit ton of people demanding he resign).

—- a crazy indeterminate number of people accused across Hollywood —-
Anthony Weiner - sexting, lost seat, marriage cratered, went to jail.

Bill Clinton - impeached, lost law license, settled with accusers. But GOP thinks this is still insufficient penance, and pundits think Democrats still need to punish him.

Weinstein - multiple women come forward alleging they’ve been raped or sexually harassed (forced out of his own company, career ended)

Trump - multiple women come forward, accusing him of harassment, sex assault. Trump admits on tape that he grabs women and knows he can get away with it because he’s Donald F’in Trump. GOP rallies around him and elects him president anyways. Trump threatens to sue these women (but hasn’t).

Roy Moore - multiple women come forward, several claiming he sexually assaulted them, one when she was 14. That’s statutory rape - no consent could ever be involved. Reports that he was banned from local malls because of his indecent actions. GOP rallies around him and attacks accusers as liars.

Where is the media focusing? Franken.

Who really deserves to lose their jobs, face impeachment, and criminal charges? Moore and Trump - and yet the focus is redirected to Franken. Even Trump was dumb enough to fall for this bullshit and again reminded those folks who hadn’t forgotten that he admitted being a sex predator and the GOP simply shrugged and voted for him anyways.

The media sucks. And the GOP are hoping that the latest moves by the FCC will make the suckage even worse (allowing more consolidation and allowing a select few companies to dominate news procurement/distribution as local reporting disappears because).

Meanwhile, Kushner’s facing more scrutiny over his actions (again) all while people should be pissed that he’s still got a security clearance despite repeatedly lying on his clearance forms (a clear violation of federal law punishable by 5 years in prison). No one else would ever be entitled to remain in power the way Kushner is - and if Kushner had a (D) after his name, he’d be gone long ago.

The GOP is intent on gutting functioning govt and enabling Trump’s sabotage of govt and the judiciary. This is how they roll in the shire. And their supporters are clueless and ignorant to the dangers this poses to them. They’ll just get poorer and screwed by the very policies they tout, while millionaires like Trump make out like bandits.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 18, 2017 • 5:56:11am

International operation to rescue Argentine submarine lost in the South Atlantic

No contact for almost 3 days. NASA’s P-3 Explorer aircraft, en route to Antarctica via a refueling stop at Ushuaia Argentina, has been diverted to the search and a US Navy P-8 Poseidon will arrive in Argentina today.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2017 • 6:07:44am

pathetic

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2017 • 6:08:29am

re: #233 Backwoods_Sleuth

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jeffreyw  Nov 18, 2017 • 6:10:42am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2017 • 6:11:00am

re: #234 lawhawk

Every time you deflect attention and mention Hillary, it means something bad is about to drop on you.

Exactly. Hillary is a criminal, but a filthy, tricksy one.

DT is completely up front about it, he all but challenges his party to call him out on blatant acts of conflict of interest, collusion and obstruction of justice, but knows they will not because he is their key to the Kingdom.

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makeitstop  Nov 18, 2017 • 6:13:26am

re: #199 The Major

Anybody remember what TV series Bugtussel was mentioned in ?

Beverly Hillbillies

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makeitstop  Nov 18, 2017 • 6:17:19am

RIP Malcolm Young. Best rhythm guitarist ever.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2017 • 6:22:45am

re: #144 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’ll never forget how hard Grandma laughed at this scene. She almost fell off of the couch!

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That movie was filled with brilliant shticks by brilliant comics, but still left me numb and hating it at the end.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2017 • 6:25:01am

re: #226 teleskiguy

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I posted the Bixby letter after Trump’s rude exchange with Sgt. Johnson’s widow. Lincoln really was our best. His warmth, humor, empathy, and leadership. I always wonder what would have happened in a full second term.

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2017 • 6:26:00am

re: #238 makeitstop

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2017 • 6:26:47am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2017 • 6:27:26am

Damn too bad about Malcolm Young. I enjoy AC/DC’s tunes a lot. RIP.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 18, 2017 • 6:29:39am

re: #74 EPR-radar

Therefore she’s a witch. Also, she turned me into a newt.

OH NO! SHE TURNED YOU INTO…THIS?????

You GOTTA break that spell!
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makeitstop  Nov 18, 2017 • 6:35:05am

re: #243 HappyWarrior

Damn too bad about Malcolm Young. I enjoy AC/DC’s tunes a lot. RIP.

The greatest thing about Mal’s playing was he knew to stay in his lane and lay down the foundation for his brother to go off. And I believe that Mal was the guy who came up with a lot of those chord sets that are such classics now.

It’s been a bad week for the Young family. Oldest brother George (who was in a band in the 60s called the Easybeats) also died just last week.

RIP George and Malcolm. That family gave the world a lot of great music.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2017 • 6:36:50am

re: #245 makeitstop

The greatest thing about Mal’s playing was he knew to stay in his lane and lay down the foundation for his brother to go off. And I believe that Mal was the guy who came up with a lot of those chord sets that are such classics now.

It’s been a bad week for the Young family. Oldest brother George (who was in a band in the 60s called the Easybeats) also died just last week.

RIP George and Malcolm. That family gave the world a lot of great music.

Oh damn, that’s awful and I do know the Easybeats because of Friday On My Mind. But man they had such an awesome sound. I saw the poor guy was suffering from dementia.

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makeitstop  Nov 18, 2017 • 6:43:01am

re: #246 HappyWarrior

Oh damn, that’s awful and I do know the Easybeats because of Friday On My Mind. But man they had such an awesome sound. I saw the poor guy was suffering from dementia.

Yeah, he was diagnosed in 2013, I think. It got to the point that he had to re-learn their songs to play them - songs he himself had written.

A lot of hard core fans were mad when they continued the last tour with his nephew on guitar, but Malcolm insisted on it. He wanted his creation to go on without him.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 18, 2017 • 6:54:36am

re: #241 lawhawk

Geez. And I was out last night seeing a local AC/DC tribute band TNT Chicago.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2017 • 7:00:57am

Clever Alabama police chief does comedy in his spare time

Small-town Alabama police chief posts ‘sarcastic’ sexual abuse statements about Doug Jones

al.com

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2017 • 7:09:56am
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Belafon  Nov 18, 2017 • 7:13:38am

For the Whovians, a peak at the Christmas special:

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2017 • 7:14:49am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2017 • 7:22:26am

Lre: #252 Belafon

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Yep. Big government for me but not the.

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2017 • 7:23:49am

I can’t even…

Misinforming the public is what she’s doing.

16 women came forward with credible allegations against Trump. Trump himself admitted being a sex predator. Trump’s former wife claimed he sexually assaulted her. Contemporaneous reports indicated that Trump used the pageant he owned to creep on young women when they were dressing/undressing.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2017 • 7:31:06am

re: #254 lawhawk

I can’t even…

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Misinforming the public is what she’s doing.

16 women came forward with credible allegations against Trump. Trump himself admitted being a sex predator. Trump’s former wife claimed he sexually assaulted her. Contemporaneous reports indicated that Trump used the pageant he owned to creep on young women when they were dressing/undressing.

Unbelievable.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 18, 2017 • 7:36:50am

Casting to TV right now, 1979 concert. They were so young and Bon Scott was still with them. Audio choppy at points, but …

AC/DC - Full Concert - 07/21/79 - Oakland Coliseum Stadium (OFFICIAL)

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meteor  Nov 18, 2017 • 7:38:14am

Rest in peace, Mr. Young

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 18, 2017 • 7:38:59am

re: #255 HappyWarrior

Unbelievable.

It’s not unbelievable when the Republicans control all that you see and hear…

With apologies to Leslie Stevens, creator of the Original Outer Limits…

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meteor  Nov 18, 2017 • 7:39:09am

Currently watching Leicester City vs. Manchester City. 0-0 in the first half.

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Charmingly Persistent  Nov 18, 2017 • 7:51:04am

re: #177 goddamnedfrank

Charles, just fyi embedded tweets haven’t been displaying properly for me in LGF threads for the last few days (the images & twitter avis don’t show up) but they do display properly when I load the lgf comment by itself (by clicking on the post number.)

I have a problem that might be related: videos in comments play without sound, but if I open the comment separately, they play with sound.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 18, 2017 • 7:54:36am

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2017 • 8:08:51am

I question the timing. //////////

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Belafon  Nov 18, 2017 • 8:09:11am
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Belafon  Nov 18, 2017 • 8:15:46am

Ha: upworthy.com

Brian Sims, a gay lawmaker in PA, was getting trolled by someone. For some reason, the guy also posted a phone number on Facebook. Sims called the number, hoping to talk to the guy, but instead got the guy’s grandmother:

“David,” Sims wrote in response. “… you shouldn’t have posted your grandmother’s telephone number on your Facebook page so many times. She and I just had a very disappointing chat about you.”

And he was 100% serious.

Sims told Occupy Democrats he was hoping to get David himself on the phone when Grandma picked up. But she promised Sims that David would call him back.

He did, but not before David’s grandmother, presumably, gave him an earful.

“She wasn’t kidding,” Sims said. “I heard from him within 2 hours and while I can’t say we resolved anything, I can pretty much guarantee that Christmas at my home is going to be better than his this year.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 18, 2017 • 8:26:48am

re: #264 Nyet

Reported that asshole! Sick of Trump empowering these scumbags!

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 18, 2017 • 8:31:40am

re: #264 Nyet

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But Twitter and Facebook have been expelling their Nazi kin because they are discriminating against them and are the real racists. Got it.

[Edit]

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 18, 2017 • 8:34:23am

re: #264 Nyet

Reported.

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sagehen  Nov 18, 2017 • 8:40:41am

re: #240 HappyWarrior

I posted the Bixby letter after Trump’s rude exchange with Sgt. Johnson’s widow. Lincoln really was our best. His warmth, humor, empathy, and leadership. I always wonder what would have happened in a full second term.

Reconstruction would have been done properly/thoroughly. We’d have done a better job of honoring Indian treaties, and wouldn’t have killed all the buffalo.

Next question?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2017 • 8:44:58am

re: #269 sagehen

Reconstruction would have been done properly/thoroughly. We’d have done a better job of honoring Indian treaties, and wouldn’t have killed all the buffalo.

Next question?

Certainly.

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Nyet  Nov 18, 2017 • 8:49:45am

It’s still alive, plz report it again.

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wrenchwench  Nov 18, 2017 • 8:54:01am
Chris Whitley was one of a kind, seemingly pulled right out of the wilderness with a beat-up guitar in his hands and incredible poetry flowing from his unique mind. I just discovered this great video, in which you can see his daughter Trixie who’s now an accomplished musician in her own right.

[…]

This is where I ‘met’ Trixie:

Black Dub - “I Believe In You” Live Off The Floor

Turn it up and listen while I go check out that tiny desk she’s on.

I cannot withhold:

Black Dub: NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 18, 2017 • 8:54:39am

re: #31 Belafon

I personally will not vote for Bill Clinton in 2020.

Or any other year.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2017 • 9:14:43am
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retired cynic  Nov 18, 2017 • 9:16:46am

re: #273 Big Beautiful Door

It turns out that Senator Gillibrand’s statement was taken out of context a bit by the NYT to stab at the Clinton’s. WaPo reports a clarification from her that she was speaking about what the reaction would have been if it had happened in today’s climate. Perhaps she wasn’t clear; I don’t know. But it wouldn’t be the first time the NYT had poked at that oyster.

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Nyet  Nov 18, 2017 • 9:22:41am

I’m a Grammar Anti-Nazi.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 18, 2017 • 9:27:28am

Teaser trailer just dropped for Incredibles 2.

Incredibles 2 Official Teaser Trailer

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2017 • 9:27:41am

This morning as I’m reading Joy Reid’s piece pointing out that despite the Left’s current “Bill Clinton shoulda resigned!” navel gazing, we as a society largely seem to have given Clarence Thomas a pass.

This actually got me to thinking of old sins, reparations, and intersectionality. Thomas got away with it by appealing to white fears of being labeled racist. Anita Hill got both barrels of discrimination by being both female, and black.

I recently reread Ta-Nehisi Coate’s essay “The Case For Reparations”, which points out just how deeply embedded America’s history of white supremacy is in current America, right down to the housing policies of the 1950s and 1960s driving the yawning chasm between average wealth between whites and blacks. How do you unwind that?

This week I was reading Rebecca Traister’s piece on sexual harassment of women and how deeply it is embedded in our current society as well - how many women may have abandoned promising careers rather than put up with all that shit; how many men with otherwise laudable careers have been responsible for that; how many woman and men have stood by silently watching it happen.

It occurred to me that here, too, is something that will be tremendously difficult to unwind. In both case, it seems inadequate to just draw a line and say, “Okay, things going forward start from here, but without the discrimination or harassment”, because so many are so far behind.

Indeed, when white supremacists and misogynists look at current society, they view it through the belief that the current lower economic status of women and blacks is due to their inferiority, because, they believe, all discrimination went away with laws passed in the 1950s-1970s.

So, what I wonder is just how do we go about unwinding the whole thing? It’s not enough to just stop doing bad shit. We have decades, centuries of bad shit to address.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2017 • 9:27:58am

heh

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scottslemmons  Nov 18, 2017 • 9:32:53am

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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Sweartagahd, if it weren’t for Ailes building up a media/funder super-platform to keep them supported and amplified, the conservative movement would’ve already killed themselves with their own stupidity.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2017 • 9:38:06am

If the wheels really do come off the Trump train and they all end up in jail and the nation does manage to repudiate the whole mess, the history of this era will be filed under “Hubris”.

The astonishing level of simultaneous corruption, incompetence, and arrogant stupidity is mindblowing. I mean, Jared Kushner is supposed to be the SMART one in the family, right? And here he is, caught in webs of his own making because rather than admit to contacts with Russians, he told easily exposed lies. But they all did! I think this is how they have conducted themselves their whole lives, and they never thought that things might have changed.

Let’s hope the history of this era actually gets written….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2017 • 9:48:46am

re: #281 Blind Frog Belly White

Let’s hope the history of this era actually gets written….

That assumes there will be people who are able to read it…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2017 • 9:50:57am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2017 • 9:51:35am

re: #276 Nyet

I’m a Grammar Anti-Nazi.

Germany was terribly upset when the OECD PISA school system ranking came out and Germany placed only average: it has always been particularly proud of its education systems, as one of the first nations in the world with mandatory free schooling for all children.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2017 • 9:54:52am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2017 • 9:56:08am

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

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She condemned his behavior and contrasted his reaction to being accused of misconduct with Moore and Trump but go ahead get the anti-Hillary wagon outraged yet again.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2017 • 9:56:58am

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

This grows tiresome.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:00:08am

re: #287 Blind Frog Belly White

This grows tiresome.

As do the pathetic sexist jokes about her. I saw a really pathetic one with Hillary “saying” No one ever inappropriately touched me yet these are the same douchenozzles that claim Bill’s a perv and doesn’t respect women. Look who’s talking.

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lawhawk  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:00:21am

re: #287 Blind Frog Belly White

This grows tiresome.

That’s the fucking point.

Wear people down until they assent to this noxious behavior.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:02:17am

I still can’t believe Trump got away with harrassing all those women.

The one guy I’ve always wanted to have a career downfall doesn’t even get one. Fucking asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:02:26am

Aside from learning more about her and her record, the one thing that has made me an admirer of Clinton is how much pathetic bullshit she takes from left and right and still hangs in there.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:03:02am

re: #290 Eclectic Cyborg

I still can’t believe Trump got away with harrassing all those women.

The one guy I’ve always wanted to have a career downfall doesn’t even get one. Fucking asshole.

Hell Billy Bush had a bigger falling out and he just went along with Trump’s bullshit. Trump got a promotion.

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wrenchwench  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:03:57am

re: #278 Blind Frog Belly White

So, what I wonder is just how do we go about unwinding the whole thing? It’s not enough to just stop doing bad shit. We have decades, centuries of bad shit to address.

First step: address it. Thanksgiving is The Big Lie. There’s a place to start. Between now and then, practice ways to do it that might not make people feel like your goal is to spoil their holiday. Don’t look at me, I don’t know how. I am totally alienated from my family of origin, but I say it’s their fault. Here’s my latest clue: we got an invitation [for TG] from our landlady, with whom we share a duplex that she’s told us she will sell if we move because we are the only tenants she’s ever had that she liked. I may not be able to stop myself from practicing my own advice there. At least I don’t have far to go if they throw me out.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:04:51am

re: #290 Eclectic Cyborg

I still can’t believe Trump got away with harrassing all those women.

The one guy I’ve always wanted to have a career downfall doesn’t even get one. Fucking asshole.

He rode a wave of anti-PC backlash that made him a hero among his supporters for being a sexist swine and proud enough to boast about it.

And that backlash was in for the most part generated just to allow swine like him to prevail.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:08:33am

I thought information wanted to be free? For a ‘radical transparency’ organization, that seems awfully nontransparent.

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Skip Intro  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:10:18am

re: #187 Nyet

Since they don’t claim that they are not presenting a literal approach to the gospels, I don’t see a contradiction or self-delusion on this point.

So what happend to Bethlehem?

O little town of Bethlehem
How still we see thee lie
Above thy deep and dreamless sleep
The silent stars go by
Yet in thy dark streets shineth
The everlasting Light
The hopes and fears of all the years
Are met in thee tonight
For Christ is born of Mary
And gathered all above
While mortals sleep, the angels keep
Their watch of wondering love
O morning stars together
Proclaim the holy birth
And praises sing to God the King
And Peace to men on earth

According to the Gospels he was born in both places.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:12:10am

re: #296 Skip Intro

So what happend to Bethlehem?

According to the Gospels [Jesus] was born in both places.

And that is what happens when you start insisting on a literal interpretation of Scripture: not only do you have to reject science and history, but you have to reject logic itself.

And, to quote Goya: the sleep of reason breeds monsters

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:13:36am

re: #296 Skip Intro

I thought he had been born in Bethlehem but grew up in Nazareth.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:13:36am

re: #296 Skip Intro

So what happend to Bethlehem?

*snip*

According to the Gospels he was born in both places.

When you are the son of god, you can do stuff like that.

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makeitstop  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:17:19am

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bartiromo’s really lost it. I used to think she was pretty good at her job.

But she’s so intent on sucking up to Trump, I’ve lost all respect for her.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:21:20am

FFS.

Ex-U.S. attorney Preet Bharara is under investigation by the government of Turkey for allegedly violating international and domestic laws by wiretapping and gathering documents against a Turkish-Iranian businessman.

The Associated Press reported Saturday that Turkish officials have accused Bharara of orchestrating a politically-motivated case against Reza Zarrab, a gold trader accused in the U.S. of violating sanctions against Iran.

Turkey is also reportedly investigating Bharara’s successor, Acting U.S. Attorney Joon H. Kim.

Turkish officials have accused Bharara of links to U.S.-based Muslim cleric Fethullah Gulen, who the government blames for a failed coup in 2016. Bharara has vehemently denied any ties to Gulen.

thehill.com

Turkey is extremely butthurt about the case against Reza Zarrab; now they’re throwing the whole “he’s connected to Gülen!!” angle out there.

What a fucking joke Turkey has become.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:21:26am

re: #299 Backwoods_Sleuth

When you are the son of god, you can do stuff like that.

Silly mortals.

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Skip Intro  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:24:16am

re: #298 Eclectic Cyborg

I thought he had been born in Bethlehem but grew up in Nazareth.

His mother and Joseph lived in Nazareth but supposedly went to Bethlehem for a Roman census which the best record keepers in the ancient world, the Romans, have no record of. The real reason was to fulfill the prophecy that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem.

This is due to editing by the authors of the Gospels to tie up a loose end.

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Skip Intro  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:26:59am

re: #300 makeitstop

Bartiromo’s really lost it. I used to think she was pretty good at her job.

But she’s so intent on sucking up to Trump, I’ve lost all respect for her.

Moving to Fox does that to you.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:28:54am

re: #303 Skip Intro

His mother and Joseph lived in Nazareth but went to Bethlehem for a Roman census which the Romans have no record of. The real reason was to fulfill the prophecy that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem.

This is due to editing by the authors of the Gospels to tie up a loose end.

The Romans must have been the worst record-keepers ever; I mean, there’s no mention of Jesus being tried by Pontius Pilate - even in Pilate’s own accounts. /s

Yeah…..except that’s pretty much the opposite of what we know about Imperial Rome. Even though not many records have survived the centuries, for obvious reasons, one of Rome’s greatest innovations was the collection of governmental documents in archives.

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Skip Intro  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:30:55am

I just don’t even ……….

Judge Running For Ohio Governor Boasts On Facebook He’s Bedded 50 Women

An Ohio Supreme Court justice who is campaigning to become governor of the state took to Facebook on Friday to reveal that he has been “sexually intimate” with 50 “very attractive females.”

It was a startling campaign strategy in the wake of a burgeoning number of sexual misconduct accusations across the nation and one that triggered tremendous controversy in Ohio. Democrat Bill O’Neill’s campaign spokesman quit within hours of the post.

“Now that the dogs of war are calling for the head of Senator Al Franken I believe it is time to speak up on behalf of all heterosexual males,” O’Neill wrote on Facebook, vowing to save his critics “some research time.”

“In the last fifty years I was sexually intimate with approximately 50 very attractive females,” O’Neill wrote. “It ranged from a gorgeous personal secretary to Senator Bob Taft (Senior) who was my first true love and we made passionate love in the hayloft of her parents barn and ended with a drop dead gorgeous red head … in Cleveland.”

huffingtonpost.com

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Dave In Austin  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:31:06am
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:32:08am

re: #307 Dave In Austin

Maybe Kyle doesn’t know the answer to that question because he’s never had sex.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:33:21am

re: #275 retired cynic

It turns out that Senator Gillibrand’s statement was taken out of context a bit by the NYT to stab at the Clinton’s. WaPo reports a clarification from her that she was speaking about what the reaction would have been if it had happened in today’s climate. Perhaps she wasn’t clear; I don’t know. But it wouldn’t be the first time the NYT had poked at that oyster.

The Screw York Times is obsessed with pissing on the Clintons every chance they can!

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Nyet  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:33:48am

re: #296 Skip Intro

According to the Gospels he was born in both places.

Could you please cite the verse claiming he was born in Nazareth?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:35:06am

re: #307 Dave In Austin

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Look, dude, just because you’re not good in the sack, that doesn’t mean the rest of us aren’t.

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Nyet  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:35:20am

re: #305 Dr Lizardo

The Romans must have been the worst record-keepers ever; I mean, there’s no mention of Jesus being tried by Pontius Pilate - even in Pilate’s own accounts. /s

Yeah…..except that’s pretty much the opposite of what we know about Imperial Rome. Even though not many records have survived the centuries, for obvious reasons, one of Rome’s greatest innovations was the collection of governmental documents in archives.

It’s not like most of those records survived at all.

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I cannot.  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:36:14am

re: #308 Dr Lizardo

Well, he may have had sex. It’s just he failed at doing it correctly.

Although, if he’s ever even read what anyone has read about female orgasms…he doesn’t even know what women think female orgasms are like…

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Nyet  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:36:53am

re: #299 Backwoods_Sleuth

When you are the son of god, you can do stuff like that.

Your own
Schrödinger
Jesus

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sagehen  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:37:40am

re: #298 Eclectic Cyborg

I thought he had been born in Bethlehem but grew up in Nazareth.

I thought Mary/Joseph lived in Nazareth, but they were on a trip and couldn’t get home in time, had to make an unscheduled stop in Bethlehem when she went into labor.

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makeitstop  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:38:23am

re: #304 Skip Intro

Moving to Fox does that to you.

I guess it does.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:39:10am

re: #312 Nyet

It’s not like most of those records survived at all.

Fair enough. But the earliest Roman reference to Jesus is from Tacitus, where he’s referred to as “Christus” and that was written around 115 C.E.

Nothing really contemporary from Jesus’ lifetime, but then again, I concede it’s entirely possible that any such records have been lost to history.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:39:47am
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I cannot.  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:39:55am
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Skip Intro  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:41:18am

re: #310 Nyet

Could you please cite the verse claiming he was born in Nazareth?

Nope, my error. Still I doubt he was born in Bethlehem because, other than the non-existent census, there was no reason for the heavily pregnant Mary to travel there.

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sagehen  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:41:30am

re: #306 Skip Intro

I just don’t even ……….

Judge Running For Ohio Governor Boasts On Facebook He’s Bedded 50 Women

huffingtonpost.com

Did he just give identifying personal information about the woman he lost his virginity to? That’s sort of creepy, I hope she’s not having to discuss this with her family at Thanksgiving.

Other than that, my only reaction is, “as long as all of them were consenting adults…”

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Nyet  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:42:06am

re: #317 Dr Lizardo

Fair enough. But the earliest Roman reference to Jesus is from Tacitus, where he’s referred to as “Christus” and that was written around 115 C.E.

Nothing really contemporary from Jesus’ lifetime, but then again, I concede it’s entirely possible that any such records have been lost to history.

2 different issues.

1. Should the All-Star Gospel Jesus have been mentioned in the surviving external records? Not necessarily, but very probably yes.

2. Should the actual (if he existed) historical end-times prophet, of which there were dime a dozen, have been mentioned any significant external records? Nah.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:43:45am

re: #315 sagehen

I thought Mary/Joseph lived in Nazareth, but they were on a trip and couldn’t get home in time, had to make an unscheduled stop in Bethlehem when she went into labor.

Luke 2, v 1-7:

1 In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be enrolled.
2 This was the first enrollment, when Quirinius was governor of Syria. 3 And all went to be enrolled, each to his own city.
4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the city of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem,
because he was of the house and lineage of David, 5 to be enrolled with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child.
6 And while they were there, the time came for her to be delivered.
7 And she gave birth to her first-born son
and wrapped him in swaddling cloths, and laid him in a manger,
because there was no place for them in the inn.

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sagehen  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:44:22am

re: #311 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Look, dude, just because you’re not good in the sack, that doesn’t mean the rest of us aren’t.

According to Dear Abby (50 years ago)… “There are no frigid women. There are only clumsy men.”

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Nyet  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:45:13am

re: #323 Blind Frog Belly White

Which brings us to the Quirinius problem:

The Date of the Nativity in Luke

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Amory Blaine  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:45:22am

re: #299 Backwoods_Sleuth

When you are the son of god, you can do stuff like that.

Deadbeat dad knocked up Mary, who was probably very young. Possibly against her will.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:46:03am

re: #322 Nyet

2 different issues.

1. Should the All-Star Gospel Jesus have been mentioned in the surviving external records? Not necessarily, but very probably yes.

2. Should the actual (if he existed) historical end-times prophet, of which there were dime a dozen, have been mentioned any significant external records? Nah.

I agree. It’s no secret to anyone that apocalyptic preachers could be found on pretty much any street corner in Roman-occupied Judea.

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ObserverArt  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:46:26am

re: #229 Dave In Austin

Bravenak is over this shit. @bravenak
Is this the horrifying Al Franken kiss?
I’m sorry but, I am very skeptical now as to whether he forced an unwanted kiss on her. Mostly because she is clutching him so tightly.
7:46 PM - Nov 17, 2017

I’m thinking that is the kiss during the actual show. She said the kiss she didn’t like was in practice. The reason I think it is the show is the band seems to be in the photo. I sort of doubt the whole band and everyone saw the “bad” kiss because she said she pushed him away and ran to the bathroom. There would have been a lot of witnesses if this was THE kiss.

But that brings up the question if she didn’t like the practice would she have allowed the show kiss since she was so disgusted with him.

It’s all so dodgy.

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Nyet  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:46:51am

re: #326 Amory Blaine

Deadbeat dad knocked up Mary, who was probably very young. Possibly against her will.

This sorta was the Jewish version. Roman soldier Panthera/Pandira as the father.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:48:27am

re: #327 Dr Lizardo

I agree. It’s no secret to anyone that apocalyptic preachers could be found on pretty much any street corner in Roman-occupied Judea.

YouTube

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ObserverArt  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:48:53am

re: #233 Backwoods_Sleuth

pathetic

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You know, it wouldn’t be her way, but I wish Hillary just told him to forget about her, do his fucking job and fuck the fuck off!

And pathetic isn’t a strong enough word for that tweet.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:49:47am

re: #325 Nyet

Which brings us to the Quirinius problem:

The Date of the Nativity in Luke

One of the benefits of atheism is not having to reconcile the irreconcilable.

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jaunte  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:50:55am
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ObserverArt  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:51:07am

re: #238 makeitstop

RIP Malcolm Young. Best rhythm guitarist ever.

Heard that when I was out doing some shopping and listening to the radio. He had been in poor health had he not, I’m thinking he retired due to health issues.

R.I.P. Rocker.

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sagehen  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:52:18am

re: #328 ObserverArt

I’m thinking that is the kiss during the actual show. She said the kiss she didn’t like was in practice. The reason I think it is the show is the band seems to be in the photo. I sort of doubt the whole band and everyone saw the “bad” kiss because she said she pushed him away and ran to the bathroom. There would have been a lot of witnesses if this was THE kiss.

But that brings up the question if she didn’t like the practice would she have allowed the show kiss since she was so disgusted with him.

It’s all so dodgy.

Also, if that was in the show… looks like he’s trying to dip her, she’d have to hold on tight to not fall down.

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ObserverArt  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:53:13am

re: #245 makeitstop

The greatest thing about Mal’s playing was he knew to stay in his lane and lay down the foundation for his brother to go off. And I believe that Mal was the guy who came up with a lot of those chord sets that are such classics now.

It’s been a bad week for the Young family. Oldest brother George (who was in a band in the 60s called the Easybeats) also died just last week.

RIP George and Malcolm. That family gave the world a lot of great music.

Damn…George too? I hadn’t seen that.

R.I.P. rocker.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:56:16am

re: #330 Blind Frog Belly White

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Video

Heh.

I’m reasonably sure there was a historic Yeshua - an itinerant reformer/apocalyptic preacher who came to an untimely end soon after that little incident at the Temple.

And then came perhaps one of the greatest retcons in human history.

I look at it like this - for quite some time, the Brits (in their role as colonial masters of the Indian subcontinent) figured that the Buddha was just some kind of local tall-tale. Then, lo and behold, they found out that there really was a historic personage, Siddhartha Gotama, behind the Buddha. They reckoned at first that Buddha was just another deity figure in the pantheon of India’s gods.

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Nyet  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:58:39am

re: #337 Dr Lizardo

I think the probabilities of Jesus having existed and not existed are very close to each other, like 60/40 for existence. The evidentiary basis is just too poor to make strong conclusions. But yeah, it makes sense that some preacher guy existed.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 18, 2017 • 11:01:07am

re: #338 Nyet

I think the probabilities of Jesus having existed and not existed are very close to each other, like 60/40 for existence. The evidentiary basis is just too poor to make strong conclusions. But yeah, it makes sense that some preacher guy existed.

I don’t entirely disagree with that; personally, I’d give it 70/30, but that’s the max. Like you said, the evidentiary basis is really poor.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2017 • 11:02:19am

One of the least compelling arguments I ever heard for the the Bible being true is the idea that the New Testament fulfills all the OT prophecies. But, you know, it’s easy to write a book consistent with another book you have handy when writing….

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Interesting Times  Nov 18, 2017 • 11:02:43am

re: #338 Nyet

On another note, do you happen to have a handy reference listing Stalin’s actions that were socially conservative, e.g. homophobic laws, misogyny, etc? It would be good to use the next time some neo-nazi idiot spouts the durr hurr, Stalin killed moar ppl than hitler and was the biggest SJW of all time!!!11! line (yes, I actually saw this on a FB group I belong to -_- And while I have no illusions about changing the idiot’s mind, I do want to provide rebuttals for the benefit of low-info lurkers)

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 18, 2017 • 11:03:08am

re: #340 Blind Frog Belly White

One of the least compelling arguments I ever heard for the the Bible being true is the idea that the New Testament fulfills all the OT prophecies. But, you know, it’s easy to write a book consistent with another book you have handy when writing….

Nowadays, we call that ‘retconning’.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 18, 2017 • 11:03:49am
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Nyet  Nov 18, 2017 • 11:04:05am

re: #340 Blind Frog Belly White

One of the least compelling arguments I ever heard for the the Bible being true is the idea that the New Testament fulfills all the OT prophecies. But, you know, it’s easy to write a book consistent with another book you have handy when writing….

Worse, the so-called prophecies mostly applied to the OT events. So they basically took random verses from hymns, psalms, poetry and “reverse retrofitted” them as prophecies, which were then “fulfilled”.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 18, 2017 • 11:05:48am

re: #338 Nyet

I think the probabilities of Jesus having existed and not existed are very close to each other, like 60/40 for existence. The evidentiary basis is just too poor to make strong conclusions. But yeah, it makes sense that some preacher guy existed.

Bunches of preacher guys, most likely. That’s a trait of occupied societies undergoing pillage by a colonial force. Every once in a while, one’s message makes a good fit to the new environment and takes off.

Taking off for lunch, now.

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Nyet  Nov 18, 2017 • 11:06:04am

re: #341 Interesting Times

I don’t have a ready list, but googling in Google Books should give you handy sources. It’s not really controversial that abortion was banned, homosexuality was banned etc. More interesting are the more abstract matters like militarism, nationalistic patriotism etc. One would have to do some legwork on that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 18, 2017 • 11:07:35am

re: #344 Nyet

Worse, the so-called prophecies mostly applied to the OT events. So they basically took random verses from hymns, psalms, poetry and “reverse retrofitted” them as prophecies, which were then “fulfilled”.

“It’s a miracle!!!”

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ObserverArt  Nov 18, 2017 • 11:09:37am

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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Said it before…The Trump Gang can’t even do criminal properly.

Lewandowski tries so damn hard to be a bad-ass and every time he depants himself for all the world too.

I guess that is what you get when you only surround yourself with yes men with no brains so you can always be the Big Dick and maintain you are the smart one.

His cabinet and administration is the same.

The Gang That Couldn’t Govern Straight.

(Note use of past tense ‘couldn’t’…because that will be it’s short history)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 18, 2017 • 11:15:06am

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh irony.

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Nyet  Nov 18, 2017 • 11:15:37am

re: #344 Nyet

Worse, the so-called prophecies mostly applied to the OT events. So they basically took random verses from hymns, psalms, poetry and “reverse retrofitted” them as prophecies, which were then “fulfilled”.

Like, for example, how is this a “prophecy”?

biblia.com

But counts as fulfilled!

Or this one:

Isaiah 7:14
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14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Let’s ignore the “virgin”/”young woman” thing (in the Septuagint it is indeed “virgin”) or that Jesus was not called Immanuel. Let’s just look at the context:

10 Again the Lord spoke to Ahaz: 11 “Ask aa sign of the Lord your6 God; let it be deep as Sheol or high as heaven.” 12 But Ahaz said, “I will not ask, and I will not put the Lord to the test.” 13 And he7 said, “Hear then, O house of David! Is it too little for you to weary men, that you bweary my God also? 14 Therefore the cLord himself will give you a sign. dBehold, the evirgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name fImmanuel.8 15 He shall eat gcurds and honey when he knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good. 16 hFor before the boy knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land whose two kings you dread will be ideserted. 17 jThe Lord will bring upon you and upon your people and upon your father’s house such days as have not come since the day that kEphraim departed from Judah—the king of Assyria!”

So this applies specifically to the days of Ahaz.

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ObserverArt  Nov 18, 2017 • 11:17:41am

re: #297 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And that is what happens when you start insisting on a literal interpretation of Scripture: not only do you have to reject science and history, but you have to reject logic itself.

And, to quote Goya: the sleep of reason breeds monsters

Upding for Goya. A true master of the paint brush, palette and canvas. And he was not about being pretty…he was about recording history and strife.

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ObserverArt  Nov 18, 2017 • 11:20:00am

re: #303 Skip Intro

His mother and Joseph lived in Nazareth but supposedly went to Bethlehem for a Roman census which the best record keepers in the ancient world, the Romans, have no record of. The real reason was to fulfill the prophecy that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem.

This is due to editing by the authors of the Gospels to tie up a loose end.

Have you done some study on the history of the Bible, or of religions Skip?

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makeitstop  Nov 18, 2017 • 11:20:36am

re: #334 ObserverArt

Heard that when I was out doing some shopping and listening to the radio. He had been in poor health had he not, I’m thinking he retired due to health issues.

R.I.P. Rocker.

Yes, he was suffering from dementia. The most heartbreaking aspect of that is that he ended up having to re-learn their songs - many of which he wrote.

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ObserverArt  Nov 18, 2017 • 11:23:19am

re: #306 Skip Intro

I just don’t even ……….

Judge Running For Ohio Governor Boasts On Facebook He’s Bedded 50 Women

huffingtonpost.com

He is a strange bird. I saw this on local Columbus news this morning as was all WTF?

It just opens up the Democratic side of the governors race for Richard Cordray.

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mmmirele  Nov 18, 2017 • 11:24:59am

re: #338 Nyet

I think the probabilities of Jesus having existed and not existed are very close to each other, like 60/40 for existence. The evidentiary basis is just too poor to make strong conclusions. But yeah, it makes sense that some preacher guy existed.

There are some things we know from the Gospels that point to Jesus being a real person. One of them is the report that he was baptized by John the Baptist. As Jesus’ stature grew over the first century, this report apparently embarrassed the hell out of the Gospel writers. John’s baptism is described as a baptism of repentance, but what would Jesus, who was God’s representative and later God’s only begotten son, need of repenting?

Mark blandly reports the baptism, but Mark’s Jesus wasn’t God’s anointed until the spirit of God rested upon him right after he was baptized. Matthew has John trying to convince Jesus to baptize him, but gives in. Luke goes a slightly different direction and expands on Mark’s comment that the spirit of God rested upon Jesus in the bodily form of a dove. And then there’s John, where there is no direct account of Jesus being baptized by John, but rather John’s recollection that he heard from God that Jesus was the one “will baptize with the Holy Spirit” while he [John] was baptizing Jesus.

Based on these four different ways of trying to deal with what was probably an uncomfortable fact, scholars believe Jesus did exist and was probably baptized, otherwise, why all the need to retcon?

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mmmirele  Nov 18, 2017 • 11:28:04am

re: #340 Blind Frog Belly White

One of the least compelling arguments I ever heard for the the Bible being true is the idea that the New Testament fulfills all the OT prophecies. But, you know, it’s easy to write a book consistent with another book you have handy when writing….

Yeah, except the writers probably were going off memory, which is why you get some weird things like Jesus being sat on a donkey and her colt in the triumphal entry in Matthew 21:7, which is supposed to be a riff on Zechariah 9:9:

Rejoice greatly, Daughter Zion!
Shout, Daughter Jerusalem!
See, your king comes to you,
righteous and victorious,
lowly and riding on a donkey,
on a colt, the foal of a donkey.

There are many other examples as well.

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Nyet  Nov 18, 2017 • 11:36:39am

re: #355 mmmirele

There are some things we know from the Gospels that point to Jesus being a real person. One of them is the report that he was baptized by John the Baptist. As Jesus’ stature grew over the first century, this report apparently embarrassed the hell out of the Gospel writers. John’s baptism is described as a baptism of repentance, but what would Jesus, who was God’s representative and later God’s only begotten son, need of repenting?

Mark blandly reports the baptism, but Mark’s Jesus wasn’t God’s anointed until the spirit of God rested upon him right after he was baptized. Matthew has John trying to convince Jesus to baptize him, but gives in. Luke goes a slightly different direction and expands on Mark’s comment that the spirit of God rested upon Jesus in the bodily form of a dove. And then there’s John, where there is no direct account of Jesus being baptized by John, but rather John’s recollection that he heard from God that Jesus was the one “will baptize with the Holy Spirit” while he [John] was baptizing Jesus.

Based on these four different ways of trying to deal with what was probably an uncomfortable fact, scholars believe Jesus did exist and was probably baptized, otherwise, why all the need to retcon?

Since Luke and Matthew took this from Mark one can allow their embarrassment (if such can be demonstrated) as later writers. Mark, as you say, reports it blandly. In fact, the baptism could be invented by Mark (or his source) to show Jesus “became” sinless, and JtB would have been the most natural figure for this. Early Christians’ ideas of Jesus did not include superiority but did include submission and humility. So I don’t see how this is an argument for historicity.

All those literary historicity criteria are notoriously weak and hardly serve as evidence.

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Nyet  Nov 18, 2017 • 11:38:16am

re: #356 mmmirele

Yeah, except the writers probably were going off memory, which is why you get some weird things like Jesus being sat on a donkey and her colt in the triumphal entry in Matthew 21:7, which is supposed to be a riff on Zechariah 9:9:

Rejoice greatly, Daughter Zion!
Shout, Daughter Jerusalem!
See, your king comes to you,
righteous and victorious,
lowly and riding on a donkey,
on a colt, the foal of a donkey.

There are many other examples as well.

Repetition was a device in Hebrew poetry, something that “Matthew” misunderstood and took literally.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2017 • 11:39:15am

re: #338 Nyet

I think the probabilities of Jesus having existed and not existed are very close to each other, like 60/40 for existence. The evidentiary basis is just too poor to make strong conclusions. But yeah, it makes sense that some preacher guy existed.

Long before the Da Vinci Code came out and popularized the contradictory or apocryphal the aspects of Jesus’ actual historical record, I recall a 1972 novel by Irving Wallace, The Word, about a fellow who completed a convincing forgery of the “Fifth Gospel” of James. It also talked a lot about how the New Testament as we know it came to exist.

I also read several non-fictional accounts of the historical Jesus and how the Gospels came about, (Rescuing The Bible From Fundamentalism by John Shelby Spong being one of the best) which made me astounded that any educated person could think of interpreting the Bible in any literal sense.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 18, 2017 • 11:41:36am

re: #340 Blind Frog Belly White

One of the least compelling arguments I ever heard for the the Bible being true is the idea that the New Testament fulfills all the OT prophecies. But, you know, it’s easy to write a book consistent with another book you have handy when writing….

I recall that argument, from a mathematician no less, and realized that I could not begin to counter his argument by even implying the possibility that anything in the OT was not the True and Divine Word of God, because that is what the fellow already believed.

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sagehen  Nov 18, 2017 • 12:12:56pm

re: #359 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Long before the Da Vinci Code came out and popularized the contradictory or apocryphal the aspects of Jesus’ actual historical record, I recall a 1972 novel by Irving Wallace, The Word, about a fellow who completed a convincing forgery of the “Fifth Gospel” of James. It also talked a lot about how the New Testament as we know it came to exist.

I also read several non-fictional accounts of the historical Jesus and how the Gospels came about, (Rescuing The Bible From Fundamentalism by John Shelby Spong being one of the best) which made me astounded that any educated person could think of interpreting the Bible in any literal sense.

I once read a book called Holy Blood Holy Grail that theorized Mary Magdalene was Mrs Jesus, the wedding at Cana was their wedding (since when does some random guest do the catering? That was the groom feeding everyone), that after the crucifixion she realized the pregnant widow of an executed political prisoner should go away… so she hopped a boat across the Mediterranean to what’s now France.

The whole legend of the holy grail as a cup with Jesus’ blood was thus a mistranslation of a story about the vessel carrying the bloodline (she being the vessel).


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