Time for history to repeat itself.

Olmert would never do this now, he would have to ask permission form condi

wimp

Is that a TRS-80?

Oops... in Iran I mean.

Thank God for the IAF.

Actually it looks more like a Commodore PET.

4 mrgreen

I got what you meant!

They sank his battleship.

Life's a bitch when you don't have airpower (ask Hamas and Hezbollah and Taliban). Its even more of bitch when you have airpower (Iraq in 1982) and can't do a damn thing about the other guy.

/Curtis Lemay, Jr.

Need a reprisal in Iran.

Ah, the good old days !

These days the video would be of Israel sending these nuclear scientists pizzas instead of bombing them

Man, those were heavy loads on those jets. They look pregnant.

I have this saved...Ilan Ramon zt"l was involved in Israel's taking out of Osirak...

If you scroll down, there are photos and also an animation.

I LOVE IT~!

I LOVE IT~!

I WANT MORE OF IT~!

~ENT

Ordered by BEGIN, executed by Ilan Ramon. May Hashem Protect Their Souls AMEN!

#10 JWF

I am afraid that the US will not be involved...and for Israel it would be very difficult, if at all doable.

Oooh! Excellent!

I'll have to watch this at home later.

I use to drive a 550Mw nuclear reactor, but never while drunk.

This makes Olmert look even worse (if that's possible) by comparison with Begin, who actually had some balls.

Has one nation in the West ever publicly thanked Israel for this daring raid? Israel saved saved all of us a lot of grief by depriving Saddam of the nuclear weapons he lusted after.

The United States, especially, is in Israel's debt. It is a goddamn shame this has never been acknowledged.

saw it last week,loved reagans reaction to the raid"Boys will be boys..."

Bill,actually it was,although quietly on the sly.

OT

Who the hell is the Islamic Thinkers Society?

Here is their video showing them stomping on a US flag...here in the US!

#26 DocDublU

New York's Finest

islamic thinkers society?...oxymoron...

Your welome.

Montreal man killed by his brother for being a bad Muslim

When trouble appears we put it back in it's place!

Olmert needs to resign before he wets himself, let someone with the balls take care of this then disappear into history's dustbin

Maybe NOAA should upgrade the Central Regional Headquarters of the NWS's computer servers, because every time a big tornado outbreak seems to hit in Missouri or Wisconsin or Illinois, they web pages slow to a crawl.

re the Islamic Thinkers Society (gag) -

where the hell is Rick Monday when we need him?

21 ploome

The king didn't want to be between a nuclear Iraq and a nuclear Israel.

#30
This I can get behind. If we set it up like the NCAA tournament (single elimination of course..heh) with about a billion entrants, in a year or so we should be down to one. Run it fight club style. (Never talk about fight club!)
Then raffle off among the infidels a shot at the remaining muslim. Problem solved. TA DAA!

If the Saudis were smart, they'd discretely offer to let Israeli jets re-fuel in the Kingdom, so Israel wouldn't have to rely on the limited number of longer range F-16I and F-15I jets to bomb multiple targets while handling Iranian air defenses (recently upgraded thanks to our friend in Moscow, Putin).

While Israel may be Target #1 when the Iranians get an operational/deliverable nuclear weapon, the Sunni Arabs can't feel good about the aggressive and Shia Persians.

#26 DocDublU

Ahhh! They are not thinking --they don't know what they are getting themselves into! See:

Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked...or sit in the seat of mockers...

He is like a tree planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in season and whose leaf does not wither. Whatever he does prospers.

Not so the wicked! They are like chaff that the wind blows away.

Therefore the wicked will not stand...the way of the wicked will perish.

--Psalm 1

I have previously watched the documentary, and it is outstanding.

Ho hum.

Apparently Iran's backing the Taliban as well...

NATO officials say they have caught Iran red-handed, shipping heavy arms, C4 explosives and advanced roadside bombs to the Taliban for use against NATO forces, in what the officials say is a dramatic escalation of Iran's proxy war against the United States and Great Britain.

"It is inconceivable that it is anyone other than the Iranian government that's doing it," said former White House counterterrorism official Richard Clarke, an ABC News consultant.

Secretary of Defense Robert Gates stopped short earlier this week of blaming Iran, saying the U.S. did not have evidence "of the involvement of the Iranian government in support of the Taliban."

But an analysis by a senior coalition official, obtained by the Blotter on ABCNews.com, concludes there is clear evidence of Iran's involvement.

"This is part of a considered policy," says the analysis, "rather than the result of low-level corruption and weapons smuggling."

Iran and the Taliban had been fierce enemies when the Taliban was in power in Afghanistan, and their apparent collaboration came as a surprise to some in the intelligence community.

"I think their goal is to make it very clear that Iran has the capability to make life worse for the United States on a variety of fronts," said Seth Jones of the Rand Institute, "even if they have to do some business with a group that has historically been their enemy."

The coalition analysis says munitions recovered in two Iranian convoys, on April 11 and May 3, had "clear indications that they originated in Iran. Some were identical to Iranian supplied goods previously discovered in Iraq."

The April convoy was tracked from Iran into Helmand province and led a fierce firefight that destroyed one vehicle, according to the official analysis. A second vehicle was reportedly found to contain small arms ammunition, mortar rounds and more than 650 pounds of C4 demolition charges.

A second convoy of two vehicles was spotted on May 3 and led to the capture of five occupants and the seizure of RPG-7mm rockets and more than 1,000 pounds of C4, the analysis says.

Also among the munitions are components for the lethal EFPs, or explosive formed projectiles, the roadside bombs that U.S. officials say Iran has provided to Iraqi insurgents with deadly results.

"These clearly have the hallmarks of the Iranian Revolution Guards' Quds force," said Jones.

The coalition diplomatic message says the demolition charges "contained the same fake U.S. markings found on explosives recovered from insurgents operating in the Baghdad area."

"We believe these intercepted munitions are part of a much bigger flow of support from Iran to the Taliban," the message says.

The Taliban receives larger supplies of weapons through profits from opium dealing, officials say, but the Iranian presence could be significant.

"It means the insurgency in Afghanistan is likely to be prolonged," said Jones. "It would be a much more potent force."

I guess Teheran's connivance in this arms trafficking doesn't merit a serious response. Just have Condi pop up and talk about such activities being "unhelpful".

Saddam never got a chance to push da button.

Bearded muslims + lab coats = good excuse for an airstrike

OT: MSM writer feels the wrath of the left for not being moronic enough, and of course gives them the moral equivalency excuse, sort of a cross between an abused wife and an anti-Israel activist.

This is not the first time this kind of free-range lunacy has been visited upon me. Indeed, it happens, oh, once a week to each of us who post on Swampland (Karen Tumulty, Jay Carney and Ana Marie Cox are the others). A reasonable reader might ask, Why are the left-wing bloggers attacking you? Aren't you pretty tough on the Bush Administration? Didn't you write a few months ago that George W. Bush would be remembered as one of the worst Presidents in history?
[T]he smart stuff is being drowned out by a fierce, bullying, often witless tone of intolerance that has overtaken the left-wing sector of the blogosphere. Anyone who doesn't move in lockstep with the most extreme voices is savaged and ridiculed—especially people like me who often agree with the liberal position but sometimes disagree and are therefore considered traitorously unreliable.

Time: Bewrare the Bloggers' Bile

President Reagan, it should be noted, did not approve of the attack. However, it turnas out that might have been the fault of the antisemitc Jimmy Carter along with the Jew-hating State Department:

"Did Jimmy and his men try to sabotage US - Israeli relations or were they just disorganized incompetents? You choose. One thing is clear, the Reagan administration's harsh response to the Osirak bombing was based on the faulty assumption that Israel failed to inform the US of its concerns..."

June 7 - Got word Israeli bombing of Iraq - nuclear reactor. I swear Armageddon is near.
Returned to W.H. at 3 P.M. More word on bombing. P.M. Begin informed us after the fact.
June 9 - Ended the day with an N.S.C. meeting re the bombing of Iraq. P.M. Begin insists the plant was preparing to produce nuclear weapons for use on Israel. If he waited 'til the French shipment of "hot" Uranium arrived he couldn't order the bombing because to the radiation that would be loosed over Baghdad.
I can understand his fear but feel he took the wrong option. He should have told us & the French, we could have done something to remove the threat.

June 11 - Then after lunch the U.N. phase started; 5 Arab St. Ambassadors, followed by the Israeli Amb. The 5 of course protested we hadn't been hard enough on Israel. The Israeli deplored the harsh action we'd taken. I told all of them out goal was peace in the Middle East. The bombing was the result of the suspicions & hostilities that exist there. We are going to keep on trying to keep on trying to bring peace to Lebanon & then Between Arabs & Israelis.
The truth is the Arab indignation on behalf of Iraq is a waste. Saddam Hussein is a "no good nut" and I think he is trying to build a nuclear weapon. He has called for the destruction of Israel & he wants to be the leader of the Arab world - that's why he invade Iran.

June 16 - We have just learned that Israel & the previous admin. did communicate about Iraq & the nuclear threat & the U.S. agreed it was a threat. There was never a mention of this to us by the outgoing admin. Amb. Lewis cabled word to us after the Israeli attack on Iraq & now we find there was a stack of cables & memos tucked away in St. Dept. files.

[Link: hnn.us...]

40 DD

Iran is begging us to go to war.

i highly recommend the book raid on the sun.

I got a used copy on amazon for 4 bucks

BBC reminisces abut the attack:

French Prime Minister Jacques Chirac cultivated France's special relationship with Iraq during the 1970s to maintain an influence in a region dominated by Anglo-Saxons and boost trade links with the oil-rich nation.

He led the universal condemnation of Israel's attack on Osirak.

Then, 22 years later - as French president - Mr Chirac was vehemently against the USA and Britain going to war with Iraq over the issue of weapons of mass destruction.

BBC

44 MJ

Yet more perfidy from that asshole Carter.

One very small, very inconspicuous Iraqi newspaper article saying that "nuetralize Israel", and Israel took care of buisness, and rightly so.

As of today, ahmadinajihad and others, the chinless one, Nasrallh, all have very publicly stated, continuously, that they will all see "Israel wiped off the map", on television, on the internet, in newspapers, on the wires of orld, and Iran is much much further ahead of where Saddam was, Iran could possibly already have enough centiruges working, to build a weapon, and even the IAE has said 3 years or less.

When is something serious going to be done.

Does anybody live in Iowa City? Watch out!

Two worlds.

Ha! Ha!

Internet says 60,655 people live in Iowa City...

All the NWS web sites are crawling now.

Peeses mi awf!

Iran is begging us to go to war.

The U.S. and Iran are already at war. A de facto state of war has existed since between the U.S. and Iran since the Iranians seized our embassy (which is technically U.S. soil) in 1979.

Why the U.S needs to adhere to an absurd standard of proof when it is abundantly clear Iran and Syria are formenting insurgencies that seek to kill American troops and undermine our allies is beyond me.

#20 Ed...

Ed, are you the real Homer Simpson?

50 Ed

I hate those red "boxes" around a tornadic cell. I never get to see the hook signature!

55 DD

What do you propose we do?

"We're going to do this damned thing, and if we don't, I think we should dissolve the Congress and just go home," Lott fumed.

I'M TAKING MY LITTLE GREEN FOOTBALL HOME! WAH

I love it when Israel takes care of business. Rock 'em again IDF you've got another target to take care of.

Osirak Redux? Assessing Israeli Capabilities to Destroy Iranian Nuclear Facilities.

[Link: www.mitpressjournals.org...]

#48 MandyManners

Reagan, though, was wrong to have voted to condemn Isreal in the UN:

"The U.S. reacted much the way Begin thought it would. The Reagan administration voted to condemn Israel in the U.N., and a few F-16’s scheduled for shipment to Israel were held back a few weeks. At the same time, President Reagan called Begin to assure him of his continued support.

“Technically,” Reagan would write years later, “Israel had violated an agreement not to use U.S.-made weapons for offensive purposes, and some cabinet members wanted me to lean hard on Israel because it had broken this pledge….but I sympathized with Begin’s motivations and privately believed we should give him the benefit of the doubt.”

[Link: www.ourjerusalem.com...]

And the U.N. sent Israel a strongly worded letter.

Not much has changed, except that the U.N. is now even more worthless, broken, and useless, than it was then.

Next target please!

Here are some comments at the time:

“We don’t think [Israel’s] action serves the cause of peace in the area,” sniffed French Foreign Minister Claude Cheysson, whose country had supplied Hussein the ill-fated reactor.

“Provocative, ill-timed and internationally illegal,” sobbed U.S. Senator Mark Hatfield.

“Armed attack in such circumstances cannot be justified; it represents a grave breach of international law,” scolded the usually sensible British prime minister, Margaret Thatcher,.

“Israel’s sneak attack…was an act of inexcusable and short-sighted aggression,” snarled a New York Times editorial, written by editorial page editor Max Frankel.

“[The attack] did severe damage to the hope in which Israel’s true security must lie: the hope of realistic relations with all its neighbors,” sermonized New York Times paleoliberal columnist Anthony Lewis.

“[Israel has] vastly compounded the difficulties of procuring a peaceful settlement of the confrontations in the Middle East,” sniped Time magazine.

Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, it should be noted, expressed complete sympathy and solidarity with Iraq, and in fact helped push through a United Nations resolution condemning Israel for the attack on their good neighbor."

[Link: www.ourjerusalem.com...]

Of course, the NYT WaPo, Chicago Tribune and others condemned Israel in keeping with their stated ploicy that Jews have no right to defend their lives.

charles thanks for the best 45 minutes i've had in a long while.

Anyone here aside from me like stem cells?
House stem cells vote sets up fight with White House

No remembrance on the US news sites (ABCBS, CBSBS, CNNBS, etc) about it today

Not surprising

Hell. They hardly had anything to say about D-Day yesterday!

#45 Mandy Manners

Iran is begging us to go to war.

Iran believes that they must have war, to bring the hidden 12th imam, "wack a mole", out of the well.

ahmadinajihad will start serious war, it's only a matter of when.

#64 Republic

In my view, the U.N. is worse now because all the years the anti-Israel countries have had to practice their hatred and deceptions. That experience has greatly emboldened and even encouraged them to go farther and farther.

63 MJ

Did the vote come before or after the DOS documents were discovered?

#68 Killgore Trout

Anyone here aside from me like stem cells?

Given that adult stem cells have already produced positive results, and not once have embryonic stem cells produced any results, I am against embryonic stem cell research, being more Federally funded, than it currently is.

There already is embryonic stem cell research, funded by the Federal gov., in fact, there are enough embryos for research, for decades to come, that are already being funded by the Feds, for research.

70 republic

He's gonna' get the surprise of his life.

#71 DeerMusic

Great nic!

In my view, the U.N. is worse now because all the years the anti-Israel countries have had to practice their hatred and deceptions. That experience has greatly emboldened and even encouraged them to go farther and farther.

The world stage is set, for the Arab/Muslim/European/Russian world to come against Israel, it's just a matter of time, now.

Radar shows tornado just east of LaCrosse, WI.

73 republic

and not once have embryonic stem cells produced any results

I'm not sure if that's true.

Reagan: "Boys will be boys."

Classic.

#78 Kilgore Trout,

73 republic

and not once have embryonic stem cells produced any results

I'm not sure if that's true.

It is true, no results whatsoever with embryonic stem cells.

#68 killgore trout:

Well, expect the veto to come out again on that bill, just like the previous version.

And the Congress has a tin ear considering the news yesterday that scientists may have found a way to avoid using stem cells altogether. They were able to get skin cells in mice to behave like stem cells.

In other words, scientists were able to devise a possible research path that avoids embryonic stem cells altogether - and with it the entire mess of ethics, morality, and politics associated with embryonic stem cells.

So, if you think that Congress shouldn't be using taxpayer money to fund research into an area of thorny ethics and morality that has yet to result in a single treatment option here's your chance to let 'em know that they're throwing your money away.

#74 Mandy Manners

70 republic

He's gonna' get the surprise of his life.

His surprise, as well as many, many others, is going to come after this life.

I'm pretty certain he believes he has to go out a "martyr".

He'll be surprised, but after this life.

He and his buddy Khomeni, have said they don't care if Iran burns, just that the goals of Islam get accomplished.

"rop"

81 ploome

ROFLMAO!

#72 MandyManners

The UN vote came almost immediately after the reactor was destroyed. Reagan wasn't alone in condemning Israel...Israel had almost no support for taking out the reactor. The major exception was New York Senator Alphonse D'Amato
who was behind Israel 100%. Even if Reagan didn't know about the duplicity of the State Dept. and the Jew-hater former President, he still should have come to defense of an American ally. Selling Israel out to the Jew-haters at the UN will get the US nothing in return-ever.

killgore:

If they had found a treatment using embryonic stem cells, the supporters of that procedure would be screaming it loudly in support of the additional funding. That there are none, not even promising research paths, suggests that the promise of embryonic stem cells is a pipedream.

Oh, and for the record, nothing stops private funding of embryonic stem cells research - other than the fact that the smart money is going to other stem cell research paths (cord blood for example).

I thought the Israeli jets buzzed Damascus on their way home? Anyone? The documentary didn't mention it.

#82 lawhawk

So, if you think that Congress shouldn't be using taxpayer money to fund research into an area of thorny ethics and morality that has yet to result in a single treatment option here's your chance to let 'em know that they're throwing your money away.

This bill isn't about using taxpayer money to fund research, there already is, right now, research that is done using human embryo's, Federally funded, this bill is about allowing more.

This is the same argument that the left used right before the 2006 elections, when they said the Republicans didn't want people finding cures, when the Federal government is already using taxpayer money to fund research on human embryos.

This is about more money and more Federal funding, the embryonic research has been going on for some time, President Bush dimply believes there are enough human embryos in existance for the research, he says, no more, use what you have.

83 republic

That's just what I'm talking about!

Before then, he'll be surprised just how quickly and thoroughly we stomp on his Happy Meal and break his toy.

#80 newsjunkie_ky , 73 republic

A quick google search shows that's not a true statement.

Neurons Grown from Embryonic Stem Cells Restore Function in Paralyzed Rats

Embryonic stem cells may repair mouse eyes
...etc.

there are plenty of others too.

#82 lawhawk

I was just reading about that, very interesting. It's seems there are a few possible sources of embryonic stem cells that don't come directly from human fetuses.

#61 Code Red 21

The IAF dose not have the legs to reach targets deep in Iran on thier own,any mission would require over flight of tightly controled airspace (Iraq)plus heavy U.S. tanker support.

A more likely secnario would be an entirely U.S.mission.

85 MJ

I think Pres. Reagan might've been pissed off that he wasn't told about it ahead of time. If that were the case, I still don't think that that would've been sufficient grounds to not back Israel.

#80 newsjunkie_ky

It is true, no results whatsoever with embryonic stem cells.

Cord blood, and adult stem cells, have shown much progress, and results, but for some reason, leftists still salivate at the idea of destroying a human life.

They absolutely salivate.

Bush Derangement Syndrome (BDS) Tornado Watch Now Includes Madison

DISCUSSION...SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS...INCLUDING TORNADIC SUPERCELLS HAVE DEVELOPED FROM WRN WI TO ERN IA. VERY STRONG SHEAR PROFILES AND INSTABILITY ARE IN PLACE ACROSS WATCH TO SUPPORT CONTINUED INCREASING THREAT OF LONG LIVED DAMAGING TORNADIC SUPERCELLS SPREADING RAPIDLY EWD.

What do you propose we do?

The U.S. and whatever Coalition can be cobbled together needs to hit the Iranians and Syrians where it hurts. I'm thinking of air strikes directed at their political leadership and fragile economic infrastructures. In Iran's case this would involve striking at their sole refinery and offshore oil terminals. I'm unaware of any economic infrastructure that Syria has, but I'm sure there are at least one or two high value targets in Damascus.

Let the Iranians and Syrians know that no bad deed will go unpunished.

#86 lawhawk

The bill is certainly dead with bush in office. It would make an interesting question at the next republican debate.

#90 Killgore Trout

#80 newsjunkie_ky , 73 republic

A quick google search shows that's not a true statement.

Neurons Grown from Embryonic Stem Cells Restore Function in Paralyzed Rats

Embryonic stem cells may repair mouse eyes
...etc.

there are plenty of others too.

You need to do some more research into the cord blood stem cells and adult stem cells, which are currently helping humans, not rats.

I'm under a watch here in Kenosha right now Ed. Shores of Lake Michigan. It's looking peculiar out here.

going down into the stairwell ... hope to see y'all later :)

#82 lawhawk
your intentions are noble,but...um...since when has congress shown ANY concern about pissing our money away...whether hidden,or in the open?

Interesting ending, with Bush Senior and James Baker blowing a fuse over the operation and urging sanctions against Israel. That would be James ("f@#% the Jews") Baker, of the Iraq Study Group. At least he's consistent.

#90 Killgore Trout

#90 Killgore Trout

#80 newsjunkie_ky , 73 republic

A quick google search shows that's not a true statement.

Neurons Grown from Embryonic Stem Cells Restore Function in Paralyzed Rats

Embryonic stem cells may repair mouse eyes
...etc.

there are plenty of others too.

And, there has been for quite some time, and still is, Federally funded, by the taxpayers, research being done with embryonic stem cells, and there are enough embryos to be used for quite some time.

This bill wants to open the door, for unlimited, and with the number of embryos currently avilable, for Federally funded research, it is nearly unlimited.

If I end up with a terminal disease, I don't want a small, young human life destroyed so I can live a few more years, and then die anyway.

IIRC the planes did a Damascus fly-over on the way back.

98 mama winger

STAY SAFE!

#90 Killgore Trout

Neurons Grown from Embryonic Stem Cells Restore Function in Paralyzed Rats

So what in your eyes, is wrong with researchers using the near endless supply of embryos, that they currently have, and the federal funding which currently supports the research?

# 100 Zack "At least he's consistent".

James Baker wrote his Master's thesis on why Israel should not have been established. This was back in the early 1950's. Once a Jew-hater...

95 DD

Sounds like a good start.

Later all.

Play nice.

Damascus was closer than their round about flight out.

#65 Kenneth

Next target please!

+28° 50' 5.42", +50° 53' 36.78"

Bushehr?

/I'm thinking more like 33°43′N, 51°43′E

106 MJ

Really? No shit?

Iraq Report: The Turkish Invasion That Wasn't

Yesterday's news from Iraq was dominated by rumors of a Turkish invasion of northern Iraq. The news turned out to be false, as Ankara, Baghdad, and Washington all denied the reports from two unnamed Turkish officials. Turkey has seen an increase in attacks from the radical Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) over the past several months, and has been pressuring the Iraqi and U.S. governments to conduct military operations against the terrorist group, which is holed up in the mountainous regions in the Kurdish provinces. The Kurds are adamantly opposed to allowing the Turkish military to conduct operations in Iraqi territory to root out the PKK.

#105 republic

My understanding is that there are limited stem cell lines available for federal research and that many of the available lines aren't "viable" (whatever that means).

#98 mama winger

Prayers for Mama Winger in restive Kenosha!

#111 Killian Bundy

Oh, that's on the list too, and many other sites, too. Maybe they have a shiney new JDAM for that magic well where the mahdi is hiding?

OT:

Charles, just used the 'advanced search'. I havent used the search feature in a long time, so Im not sure when you made the changes.

But it is damn fast now. Very nice. Searching headlines is almost instantaneous.

As a humble suggestion, it would be cool if the search term was highlighted in the search results.

OT, I was searching for something at Snopes and came across this article about WMDs , makes a lot of sense.

Sounds like a good start.

Before coming up with that plan I asked myself "What Would Phil Leotardo do?"

# 108 Ploome

I tried to get access on line to it a while back without any luck. It's a Senior Thesis, not Masters- my mistake.
Baker is looking at British Foregin policy and thinks "favored the approach of the realist, Bevin, who served as Clement Attlee's foreign secretary. 'Bevin was not interested in theories, but in practicalities," I wrote..."
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Bevin was an antisemite...just as is James Baker.
Here's a little about Bevin from Wiki:

As Foreign Secretary, Bevin failed to secure British objectives in the British Mandated Territory of Palestine. Personally, Bevin was opposed to the plans of the Zionist movement to create a Jewish state, and supported the creation of an independent Palestine.

One perspective on Bevin's stance is provided by Howard Sachar,

"An insight into the foreign secretary's mentality was provided by Richard Grossman (sic) [possibly a reference to the pro-Zionist Labour MP Richard Crossman ], who met with him on August 4, 1947, and afterward described Bevin's outlook as corresponding roughly with the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a notorious anti-Semitic canard of the 1920s. The main points of Bevin's discourse were ... that the Jews had successfully organized a worldwide conspiracy against Britain and against him personally."[1]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Actually, it was Kuwait who sponsored the Security Council resolution in the UN to condemn Israel.

Sometimes I wish that we could have left Iraq just one eensy weensy nuke to use against Kuwait when they invaded 10 years later...

It's going to happen again, but this time we are going to have to land in Kurdish Nothern Iraq in order to refuel for the flight back... maybe it would be a good idea to keep US troops out of there for a while...

Great documentary I loved it. Skipped in and out over the last hour while on a conf call.

nominating "Boys will be boys" as a rotating title.

Lawhawk: I've long thought that cloning your own tissues is the best option for stem cell or any other cure research -- it automatically overcomes antigenic rejection without having to suppress immune systems. That said I draw the line at "potential new being". You don't have the right to clone fetal tissue, that's not you anymore, that's a potential new being.

The grey area is what if someone wants to create a whole viable clone of themselves instead of just tissue? There's where I'm still debating and wrestling.

good luck mama!

Off topic:
ABC: Abe Lincoln Was a Dumbass.

#90 Kilgore trout,

From your first link:

"In the study, Dr. Kerr and his colleagues cultured embryonic stem cells from mice with chemicals that caused them to differentiate into motor neurons"

Not human embryonic stem cells.

And from your second link:

Copyright 2007 Reuters Limited

Well then, It must be true./ But "The researchers killed the mice to check the cells’ progress, so they do not know the long-term effects."

Now, I may have missed it, but I read Human Embryonic Stem Cells ONCE and never as a quote.
I question the validity of this. If this were true the lefties would be shouting it from the rooftops.

#87 squarepeg

That was a couple of years ago, Israel took out a Hezbo camp N.E. of Damscus. On the way back they did a low fast job over the chinless dentists palace. Rattled the windows literally, and sent the message, if we wanted your ass...

[Link: xiaodongpeople.blogspot.com...]

Milan, 7 June (AKI) - Security officials in Milan who arrested Thursday nine Tunisians suspected of links with the Algeria-based Al-Qaeda Organisation in the Islamic Maghreb believe the men were not only providing logistical support and funding for terrorist operations in Algeria and Tunisia but were also planning attacks on the northern Italian city's subway and police stations. Anti-terror prosecutor Elio Ramondini told reporters that the cell - which was recruiting Islamic militants to fight in Afghanistan, Algeria, Tunisia, Chechnya and Bosnia - included militants "who were ready for suicide attacks in Italy and abroad."

[Link: www.adnki.com...]

#121 ploome hineni

That article about Baker is from September 12, 2006. That's BEFORE the release of the ISG Report. Which report Bush called a "flaming turd" & tossed in the trash. Baker hasn't been back to the White House since.

IRAN: AHMADINEJAD IS 'A MIRACLE' SAYS JUSTICE MINISTER

Tehran, 7 June (AKI) - Justice minister Gholam Hossein Elham, who also acts as spokesman for the Iranian government, said Thursday that president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is "a miracle" who has saved the country from disaster. "Two years ago a miracle happened because only Ahmadinejad's election allowed the Islamic Republic to return to the road traced by the [1979 Islamic] revolution," he said, slamming government critics as "people who don't follow the revolution and its teachings."
The justice minister's glowing remarks come as Ahmadinejad, who became president after a landslide victory in June 2005, is facing increasing criticism at home for the country's poor economy, the government's pursuit of nuclear ambitions which has led the UN to impose two rounds of sanctions against Iran and for an Islamic moralization campaign cracking down on civil liberties

[Link: www.adnki.com...]

IRAN: STUDENT LEADER AT TOP TEHRAN UNIVERSITY ARRESTED

Tehran, 7 June (AKI) - Abbas Hakimzadeh, the leader of the Islamic association of students at Tehran's top Amir Kabir university, was arrested Thursday while he was leaving home to attend class. He is one of the organisers of a major public protest last December against president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and is a key leader of the pro-democracy movement of university students which has promoted protests in campuses nationwide against a government crackdown on civil livberties

[Link: www.adnki.com...]

#129 newsjunkie_ky

Well if you want to be specific then I would suggest you google Human Embryonic stem cell then...
Researchers Use Human Embryonic Stem Cells To Kill Cancer Cells
and
Researchers develop T-cells from human embryonic stem cells

...and many more.

Any lawyers in the house?

I got a legal question for ya -- any advice would be appreciated:

Christopher Hitchens and Chris Hedges had a debate in Berkeley. It was open to the public. The event was "sponsored" by a bookstore, a madrassa, and a radio station. The event was not broadcast live.

I attended the event and took some videos of the proceedings, as you all know.

But apparently, one of the "sponsors," the radio station, intended to later broadcast the tape of the lecture, and much later to release a DVD of the event, some several months in the future.

They claim that, to pre-emptively protect their sales, they posted a notice somewhere in the lobby saying that they didn't want anyone to record the event. If they did, I cedrtainly didn't notice any sign or anything. (I can just imagine it was a hand-scrawled message on a 3x5 card that said "No TapinG!, pinned where no one could see it.)

Anyway, I uploaded my videos to YouTube, where they've become pretty popular.

And so to the gist of it: KPFA has just contacted me and asked to take down the videos; and if I refused, they said they were going to contact YouTube and ask that they be removed by force from the YouTube site.

But I can't grasp what legal leg they have to stand on. I didn't use any of their broadcast material for my videos -- I took the videos live myself, with my own camera. And they don't "own" Hitchens and Hedges as chattel. So what right do they have to compel me to not display the video that I took myself of free individuals in a public forum?

Obviously, they're POed that they got scooped, and they're worried about the DVD sales, but that doesn't mean they have the right to dictate my behavior.

Any legal eagles here have an opinion on this? What would you recommend that I do?

Bear in mind that the moonbats who run YouTube are likely to side with the radio station, if they get contacted about it -- rightfully or not.

133 Kenneth & 134 storage manager

Speaking of flaming turds, Dinnerjacket is a flaming turd.

#133 Kenneth "That's BEFORE the release of the ISG Report. Which report Bush called a "flaming turd" & tossed in the trash."

Bush ignored the recommendations of the ISG Report as it related to Iraq. Bush did not, however, ignore the recommendations of the report as it related to Israel. He has sent Condi Rice to the Middle East a number of times since the release of the Report and now has that shill Gen.Dayton making threats to Israel.

Actually, I researched this once on the Interweb, and found the title of James Baker's Princeton thesis, and it was about 2 Labour MPs in war time Britain with similar names, who fought a fierce battle over whether union members in war critical industry should be permitted to go on strike.

But it is pretty obvious, that if he isn't a Judeophobe, he is an Arabphile.

138 zombie

I don't know about the legal stuff but, why not post it at LiveLeak, too?

#137 ploome hineni

On the subject of James Baker, Christopher Hitchen's once said,

"If whenever you hear the phrase "Realist School of Diplomacy" and you substitute the words "American friends of Saudi Arabia" your understanding of Middle East policy will be immeasurably improved."

138 zombie :

seriously, how many DVD's did they intend to sell? I loved watching your videos, and they were very entertaining, but no way in Hell I'd pay $19.95 to see them

anyway, I have no legal advice, but just another question for you to consider : did the radio station have some sort of exclusivity contract with the panel and the host site? One would think if they intended to market it on DVD they would have been smart enough to get some sort of contract to tape and rebroadcast, and this would involve some deal with Hitchens and Hedges. I dunno.

One thing is for sure : 10000x as many people saw this debate from the videos you uploaded than WOULD EVER have seen it had you not taped it and the radio station would have sold it only as a DVD!

Mahmoud's Sock Puppet 6/07/2007 12:03:16 pm PDT

I know this is a long shot, but the Abilene doppler radar is picking up the weak reflectivity along what appears to be the dry line, between Abilene and Aspermont.

latest visible imagery shows a very narrow line of cumulus along this boundary.

Now, recall in earlier post on LGF I showed a stout cap at 800 mb as seen on the Fort Worth 7 am sounding.

Current RUC analysis at Abilene shows -140 Joules/Kg inhibition, which means storms will not fire on their own. But CAPE is almost 3000 Joules/Kg, so if, and this is a big if, if any storms do fire along this boundary, they could bring some impressive severe weather to North Texas.

Hmmm, the Storm Prediction Center, while 90 minutes late to my party, have issued a Tornado Watch for large parts of Oklahoma, and much of North Central Texas, but not including the immediate DFW area.

Laps analysis apparently shows 6000 J/Kg CAPE in North Texas, so while the cap may hold, if it does break, super-mega monster storms likely!

#146 Ed...

Nada on the local DFW radar.

What did the orthopod say about Joshua's leg yesterday?

zombie

Im a lawyer, dont specialize in contracts or intellectual property.

Its possible there is a contract or agreement between the sponsors and the bookstore (and the participants) providing exclusive rights over sales of video or any other recording of the event.

They dont "own" Hedges or Hitches, but they may have a contract where they do "own" everything they said at the event!

They could make a "fichachta" (yiddish for crazy) argument that you (and YouTube) are somehow are interfering with their exclusive contract. The only way they could do that is if you agreed, or were somehow bound by a contract, not to tape the proceedings.

I wouldnt think some surreptitious sign that you didnt see would bind you to anything. IN any event, you were no doubt out in the open when you taped it.

I dont think they have a legal leg to stand on, but I agree YouTube is probably too wimpy to stand up to any legal threats

Where's the Film?

Ploome,

That's worrisome, but... the source, The Council On Foreign Relations is the "home" of the Realists School of diplomacy. They have been pushing the "engage Iran' idea for years.

Gotta run, will read it more closely later.
G'night.

#141 Ed

Ed, you read the whitewash version of what the Baker thesis is about. Baker whole-heartedly supported Bevin including his view that Israel should not have been created. Baker also said very little about Bevin's Protocols of the Elders belief in so-called Jewish conspiracies- in effect, legitimizing Bevin's antisemitism. Baker believed then that Israel was mistake and his has worked since then to do his best to help destroy it.
See my post 123 above for more.

The Zombruder Film

NY Nana:

The story of Ilan Ramon has always been one of my favorites. What a brave man he was.

During the Osirak mission, Ramon purposely volunteered to be at the end of the line, meaning he would be one of the last pilots to fly over the reactor. It was the most dangerous position because if detected, he would have been most likely to be shot down. He chose the position because he was the only pilot that wasn't married at the time, and if he died, he wouldn't leave behind a widow. He was truly a brave soul.

Another wonderful side story to the Columbia mission was the Torah he took into space.

"On that fateful journey, IIan Ramon himself the son of a Holocaust survivor, chose to bring a small Torah that survived the concentration camp in possession of Dutch Jewish boy. That boy grew up to be Ramon's mentor and friend, the astrophysicist Joachim Joseph (know to all as Yoya) of Tel-Aviv University. While in space, aboard the Columbia, Ramon was able to dramatically fulfill the promise to 'tell the world' about faith and hope even in midst of human suffering during the Holocaust. He broadcast the unusual story of the Torah down to earth. The image of the Torah floating in space among the astronauts was a poignant memory for many, but above all for Rona Ramon, Ilan's wife."

[Link: www.jewishagency.org...]

"Two Sides of the Conflict: Bevin vs. Bevan."

That was the title of Baker's Princeton thesis, written in 1952.

I haven't been able to find it and read it, but Googling those names suggest the thesis was probably about a conflict between two Labour MPs during WW2, about the right of labor unions to call for strikes against war critical industries.

Doing The Swimmer's Bidding

I didn't have much respect left for John McCain, Lindsay Graham and John Kyl, but I have absolutely none now.

MJ-

I haven't read what Baker's thesis is about at all. I wonder if it is available anywhere on the inter-web.

I just found the title, and used a search engine on those two names.

OT, but interesting...

Chernobyl Area Becomes Wildlife Haven
Jun 7, 4:21 PM (ET)

By DOUGLAS BIRCH

PARISHEV, Ukraine (AP) - Two decades after an explosion and fire at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant sent clouds of radioactive particles drifting over the fields near her home, Maria Urupa says the wilderness is encroaching.
Packs of wolves have eaten two of her dogs, the 73-year-old says, and wild boar trample through her cornfield. And she says fox, rabbits and snakes infest the meadows near her tumbledown cottage.

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

Ah, 123 read.

Where Bevan and Bevin in conflict over the creation of Israel, or is it possible the thesis really is about a WW2 dispute in Parliament?

I can't argue against it being possibly Judeophobic, as I haven't read it.

But Baker does have his nose firmly up the House of Saud's rectum.

Alright! Where's Ed the weather guy?

He said there was major stuff over Iowa City, and its been an hour and a half and I aint seen nothin'!

Nothin.

aargh

Zombie:
Not a lawyer here, but.. if Hitchens & co received pay from the bookstore and radio station for appearance, they probably do have a legal leg to stand on. Did you pay to get in?

you might consider mailing the folks over at Volokh to see if you get an answer.

Coz

Where is your house in this picture?

(Thats the Davenport radar.)

I'm out of the stairwell. It's looking brighter outside now here on the shores of Lake Michigan, although we are still under a watch until 12 midnight. They said wicked weather is coming our way anytime now. I better get a snack.

#161 Odinist

The intrepid motorcyclist Elena Filatova mentioned the wildlife in her excellent Web photo essay about Chernobyl.

Linky

Hold on! Let me get this straight. We've got a government that connects the dots BEFORE the disaster and then, that government acts to PROTECT ITS CITIZENS BY TAKING OUT A NON-CIVILIAN TARGET? before its citizens are annihilated?Without telling the NYT so they can warn the target?!
(What a world! What a world! I'm melting! I'm melting!)
I think I now understand the impotence problem that seems to be a rather wide-spread epidemic in the ME. And I don't think Viagra is going to fix the problem. What a bunch of hapless limpies, a "dinner break"? I mean really - some male in the muslim world somewhere needs to grow some cojones and learn from history. They haven't succeeded at anything beneficial to humanity yet. They just keep making the same stupid 7th century decisions. Must be genetic/koranic.
Don't see improvements anytime soon since history tends to repeat itself endlessly in this region.
/Off. apologies to all. This video brought on an extensive and a necessary vent. Wish/hope we here in the U.S. may soon make a similar documentary as well justified. Again, not terribly hopeful on this one.

OT - Immigration:

what's going on?
Dark Matter Theory/Lobbyists at work?

and don't miss Hot Air. Hilarious and poignant.

Large tornado now moving through Wisconsin Rapids, per spotters, and softball sized hail is falling in 'downtown' Wisconsin Rapids.

A radar indicated tornado is currently near Wausau.

167 mama winger

Good to see you back!

I'm just south of this Ed

Ed,

My house is closer to Sterling.

I am currently in East Moline.

/singing...I see skies of bluueee...

There's a downtown in Wisconsin Rapids ? Who knew?

Oh, you mean the Piggly Wiggly next to the bar.

17,600 people (est.) per internet live in Wisconsin Rapids.

#167 mama winger

Thank you for checking in. I was concerned. I just finished reading the book of Wizard of Oz...very unlike the film... :)

mama winger

Are they forcasting high winds for your area?
If so, hold on.

#86 Lawhawk

Oh, and for the record, nothing stops private funding of embryonic stem cells research - other than the fact that the smart money is going to other stem cell research paths (cord blood for example).

And Calif is seeing how fast they can spend 3 BILLION on this... talk about a waste of tax payers funds.. FOOLS

169 peck

No need to apologize at all! That was an entertaing rant.

15% of the population over 25 in Wisconsin Rapids have a college degree.

179 ploome

"B"?

We had a few branches break, lost some leaves, this morning nothing serious. There are flash flood warnings from Lawrence to to Wyandotte, slow mover dumping lots of rain

Uh...174.

#181 Mandy

Thanks for the validation. My kids think I am most un-entertaining. I've been practicing.

Hmmm, the Storm Prediction Center, while 90 minutes late to my party, have issued a Tornado Watch for large parts of Oklahoma, and much of North Central Texas, but not including the immediate DFW area.

Laps analysis apparently shows 6000 J/Kg CAPE in North Texas, so while the cap may hold, if it does break, super-mega monster storms likely!

Doesn't surprise me a bit. It smells like bad weather here, and it has for a couple of days now. Lots of sun, lots of heat and humidity, it's like a bright, muggy oven outside. It just needs a chance to cook a little, and BLAMMO!

Or that's what you'd think, if you didn't have a degree in meteorology. Obviously something is keeping all this heat and moisture from becoming storms.

That's like the Israeli version of the Doolittle raid.

This is a very interesting show. I had no idea that the planes were operating so far above their design takeoff weight. What a brilliant action.

-jcr

Piggly Wiggly I haven't heard that name in 35 years, glad to see there still around.

#182 Ed

15% of the population over 25 in Wisconsin Rapids have a college degree.

The rest are working at the Piggly Wiggly, when they're not in the bar.

OT

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but, here goes,

Iran Adding Attack Boats In Persion Gulf, says U.S.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Curt Schilling has a no-hitter in the ninth; on ESPN.

#178 Ma

The sun is shining brightly for the moment

#179 FrogMarch

VERY high winds here all day.

177 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet 6/07/2007 2:39:26 pm PDT

17,600 people (est.) per internet live in Wisconsin Rapids

.
I pray they took cover when told to do so.

Holy Amnesty!

The numbers involved allow for up to 250,000 for each year 2007, 2008 and 2009...for a total of up to 750,000 Iraqi "refugees" to be admitted into the United States.

snip

Amendment # 1470 to S.1348, dealing with the "ADMISSION OF CERTAIN NATIONALS FROM IRAQ AS PRIORITY 2 REFUGEES."

ctblog

#192 Jammie

WHAT !?!

thanks !

# 162 Ed "Where Bevan and Bevin in conflict over the creation of Israel"

Here Ed. This article might help explain where Baker's views fit into that debate.

Normally, it wouldn't matter. After all, this thesis was written over 50 years ago. However, Baker has consistently been anti-Israel from the start. Many folks consider him to be an antisemite...more polished perhaps than his hero Bevin, but a Jew-hater nevertheless:

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

DAMN !

Quittin' time...

Back Monday

(3 day weekend)

Sorry - baseball makes me sinful.

And it's gone, on a clean single to right with two outs.

Red Sox fans blame Bucky Dent.

This, of course, would be on top of whatever massive immigration "reform" the Congress manages to pass into law

ctb

On topic, I think this is a classic example of how a plane, called warplane, can do tons more for securing peace than all groups with peace in their name combined.

One - hitter.

In the ninth, with two outs.

Base hit, then a pop-up for the final out.

So close.

#193 ploome hineni 6/07/2007 2:46:03 pm PDT

...and what starts with "B"?

Babba?

#202 mama w.
"Sorry - baseball makes me sinful."

excuse me...?

mama winger,

I saw him get cuffed around by the Yankees at Fenway last week.

It's too bad.

Mike Mussina had a perfect game going at Fenway in 2001, and lost it with two outs, two strikes.

Hey Ed, are you gone, or still here? I was asking about Joshua, and his doctor visit yesterday.

#208 Boondock

excuse me...?

LOL! I was apologizing for swearing in post #200. I try to limit my swearing to muslims and the democrats.

#209 Jammie

Thanks for alerting me to it. I would have missed it. I like Schilling.

#211 mama w.
"oohhh."he said while putting his softball uniform back in its drawer...

Punch flies on Senate floor
Posted by Birmingham News staff June 07, 2007 3:24 PM
MONTGOMERY -- State Sen. Charles Bishop hit Sen. Lowell Barron on the floor of the Senate this afternoon.

The Senate was in recess when Bishop, a Republican from Arley, and Barron, a Democrat from Fyffe, started an animated conversation. Bishop suddenly hit Barron in the face, and Barron fell back onto a desk.

Patrick Harris, assistant secretary of the Senate, said he saw Bishop hit Barron and quickly grabbed Bishop and pulled him back.

Bishop in an interview later said Barron called him a s...o...b, so he hit Barron in the face.

"If he calls me that again, it'll happen again," Bishop said.

Barron was not immediately available for comment.

[Link: blog.al.com...]

why does Allah hate dogs?

from the sunni forum.

---

Hadith - Bukhari 3:515, Narrated Abu Huraira

Allah's Apostle (pbuh) said, "Whoever keeps a dog, one Qirat of the reward of his good deeds is deducted daily, unless the dog is used for guarding a farm or cattle." Abu Huraira (in another narration) said from the Prophet (pbuh), "unless it is used for guarding sheep or farms, or for hunting." Narrated Abu Hazim from Abu Huraira: The Prophet (pbuh) said, "A dog for guarding cattle or for hunting."

Hadith - Bukhari 3:515, Narrated Abu Huraira

I heard Allah's Apostle saying; "Angels (of Mercy) do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or a picture of a living creature (a human being or an animal)."

Hadith - Muslim, Narrated 'Aisha

Gabriel made a promise with Allah's Messenger to come at a definite hour; that hour came but he did not visit him. And there was in his hand (in the hand of Allah's Apostle) a staff. He threw it from his hand and said: Never has Allah or His messengers (angels) ever broken their promise. Then he cast a glance (and by chance) found a puppy under his cot and said: Aisha, when did this dog enter here ? She said: By Allah, I don't know. He then commanded and it was turned out. Then Gabriel came and Allah's Messenger said to him: You promised me and I waited for you, but you did not come, whereupon he said: It was the dog in your house which prevented me (to come), for we (angels) do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture.

About selling a Dog
Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 34, Number 299, Narrated 'Aun bin Abu Juhaifa

ploome ploome ploome

/crooning alph alpha style

Oh Mandy! What starts with "b"

other than Babba?

#210 Ward

Ed posted the wee one's X-rays on one of the threads down below this morning. Can't remember which one off-hand. Formercorpsman said it looked like a fast healing break.

186 peck

The kid still thinks I'm entertaining but, I know that'll change one day.

#216 storagemanager

I'd have a hard time convicting a man of assault for hitting someone that called the hitter's mother a b***.

#217 hayseed
hhhmmm...this explains alot,aren't dogs exeptional at sensing evil...explains alot indeed...

193 ploome

Ummm...bowl? Brick? Bed? Box?

#217 hayseed 6/07/2007 2:55:54 pm PDT

why does Allah hate dogs?

from the sunni forum

More like demons..since the GOD of heaven made all things.

221 Silhouette 6/07/2007 2:58:22 pm PDT

#216 storagemanager

I'd have a hard time convicting a man of assault for hitting someone that called the hitter's mother a b***.

The caller had a large D behind his name.

hayseed 6/07/2007 2:55:54 pm PDT

aye...Syrian dog rituals

#223 Mandy

I clicked on the link ...

AAAGHGHAGAHAGAHAGAHAGAAAGAHAAaaahagahaa Nooo

/coz faints

OT: But we all can relate to this

Klein on Liberal Bloggers: "fierce, bullying, often witless tone of intolerance" (link:Time)

But the smart stuff is being drowned out by a fierce, bullying, often witless tone of intolerance that has overtaken the left-wing sector of the blogosphere. Anyone who doesn't move in lockstep with the most extreme voices is savaged and ridiculed—especially people like me who often agree with the liberal position but sometimes disagree and are therefore considered traitorously unreliable. Some of this is understandable: the left-liberals in the blogosphere are merely aping the odious, disdainful—and politically successful—tone that right-wing radio talk-show hosts like Rush Limbaugh pioneered. They are also justifiably furious at a Bush White House that has specialized in big lies and smear tactics.

Montreal man killed by his brother for being a bad Muslim

[Link: jihadwatch.org...]

Montreal man killed by his brother for being a bad Muslim

I guess Islam overlooks Cain and Abel.

#217 hayseed

Why dogs hate allah

---

His profit is a smelly murderous pedofile.

/man's best friend

228

[wafting smelling salts under coz's nose]

217 hayseed

A dog bit his dick when Mo got frisky!

194 - Mama Winger

Seriously, hang on. That same wind storm hit here yesterday and all last night.
My neighborhood looks like a war zone. The fire department had to come in and chop up a large willow tree that had fallen and was blocking the main road. I have two downed Aspen trees. Most of my neighbors have trees that are either down or shredded.

Mostly, make sure you have ear plugs so you can sleep through it.

I didn't say that. My evil twin took over. Yeah. That's the ticket.

In a better world, murdering your brother would make you the bad Muslim.

238 Silhouette 6/07/2007 3:09:35 pm PDT

In a better world, murdering your brother would make you the bad Muslim

The message I try to send.

#238 silouette
am i my brothers keeper?
islams answer is...uumm...different...uummm...yeah...

OT, hope this hasn't already shown up, a fascinating look at terrorism-info.org at a critique of Hamas' poor performance. And Hamas' defense against such accusations.

Of course criticism (and response to criticism) always depends on your criteria.

1. While on a visit to Egypt , Moussa Abu Marzouq, Deputy Chairman of the Hamas Political Bureau, met with a group of Egyptian intellectuals and politicians. The meeting, held on June 1, 2007 and hosted by the Arab Doctors' Union , lasted for two hours and was meant to “shed light on the happenings on the Palestinian scene”. At the meeting, Moussa Abu Marzouq answered questions from the audience. A report on the meeting was published on the website of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt , of which Hamas is the Palestinian offshoot (article by Abd al-Muizz Muhammad, Ikhwan Online, June 2, 2007).

2. During the meeting, Hamas was criticized for the drop in the number of its terrorist attacks (“resistance”) since its coming to power and the Hamas government's lack of contribution to the resistance. Abu Marzouq retorted that, in reality, the situation was just the opposite: “It is the first time since the Oslo Accords that a Palestinian government supports the resistance [i.e., terrorism], does not go after the resistance operatives, does not arrest them, and does not hinder their activity”. Abu Marzouq even boasted of “quality” terrorist attacks perpetrated in Israel (“the Zionist entity”) during the Hamas government's term, including the attack which led to the capture of a “Zionist soldier” (Gilad Shalit).

As part of the above criticism, Moussa Abu Marzouq was asked about the drop in the number of suicide bombing attacks ( al-‘amaliyyat al-istishhadiyya ) during the Hamas government's term.

Moussa, how do you explain this intolerable drop in production?

In his reply, Abu Marzouq admitted that “[carrying out] such attacks is made difficult by the security fence 1 and the gates surrounding West Bank residents”. He stressed that the (Hamas) movement was powerless to extend any significant assistance to the West Bank, but that the actual happenings on the ground (the existence of the security fence and the gates) gave it a legitimate reason to do so (meaning that the reality formed after the construction of the security fence impairs Hamas's ability to carry out suicide bombing attacks

Cool, Hamas whines that suicide bombing is harder because of the "Wall".

Looks as if Bandar "Bush" made off like a bandit.
Oh wait, he is a bandit...don't anyone tell the Bush family though.

LONDON, June 7 -- Prince Bandar bin Sultan, a member of Saudi Arabia's royal family and the kingdom's former ambassador to the United States, pocketed about $2 billion in secret payments as part of a $80 billion arms deal between Britain and Saudi Arabia first signed in 1985, British media reported Thursday.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

In my hometown 25% of adults over 30 has a PhD or MD.

John Boyd, U.S. Marine, was the man behind the F-16.

Look him up.

I look at people to see if they are honest and hard working...not what is behind the last name.

The main industry is Los Alamos Scientific Labs

New Fox News Opinion dynamics poll out here

PDF link

#229 WeaselZipper
I think you'll like this. Feel free to copy. Oopps, I'll give you a h/t.

But enough of this talk about preventing nuclear annihilation. What of Paris' jail sentence?

/sarc

#235 FrogMarch

Thanks for the heads-up! I just called my daughter and told her to be prepared for dog-whining. (They hate storms)

Well first we had to sell the secrets to the Soviets.

#253 Silhouette

What of Paris' jail sentence?

Oooo - Oooo !

Pick me - pick ME! I know this one !

"Two - tiered justice system "

253 Silhouette

She's pissed because the ankle bracelet doesn't match any of her belts, shoes and purses.

We had flying trees here too...and it seems to be picking up again...better put more beer in the basement.

As Harry Reid screeches...

I've had my fill of DC.

I wonder why Drudge or Fox have nothing on the storms?

A fragile bipartisan compromise that would legalize millions of unlawful immigrants suffered a setback Thursday when it failed a test vote in the Senate, leaving its prospects uncertain.

The writer sounds so disappointed.

Is a fragile compromise like a fragile ceasefire? If so, then the deal is dead.

#246 ploome hineni

You sound like Huck Finn, to david e's Tom Sawyer... :)

tfk 400 pages does not equal lying

/now vote quickly dammit

#219 mama winger

Ahh, good news about Joshua. Thanks Mama!

Thanks for posting that video, Charles; we all owe those pilots more than we'll ever know.
On a slightly-related note, those JOOOS are everywhere, donchaknow: [Link: timesonline.typepad.com...]

Kenneth

That article about Baker is from September 12, 2006. That's BEFORE the release of the ISG Report. Which report Bush called a "flaming turd" & tossed in the trash. Baker hasn't been back to the White House since.

Perhaps Baker hasn;t been back to the WH since, but his policy is now front and center.

#249 Thanos

Question 39 on immigration is good.

#217 Hayseed

Why dogs hate allah

It seems to me my Labrador is above contempt. She sees any human being, to include the prophet, as someone she can go and lick.

While I do not condone this behavior, and I generally keep my dog on a leash, I can control her urges to be affectionate with other humans.

Still, were my dog to somehow wrestle free and then tackle and lick the prophet, and were he to raise a hand to her, I would take appropriate corrective action, to him, that is, because simple canines are above contempt, and experience emotions on a simpler, purer level than megalmaniac pedophiles.

don't ask, don't tell...doesn't fit on my license plate

shamnsty?

WTF? The kid thought it would be a good idea to hide in the garbage can (you, know, those big, green ones that you wheel to the curb). He's soaking in the shower now and I gotta' get one next 'cause he got garbage funk all over me when I dragged him out. I'm gonna' kill him. This is the night we go out to dinner before heading to the ball game.

#263 Ma Sands

I have a fence that is in powerful need of painting. I would be happy to teach you the fine art of painting.

Dorgan says read the newspaper dummies

#272 mandy
loocck..oonn..gaarbaage..caan...got it,
thanks for the warning!

#273 ploome hineni - given the ENORMOUS EGO'S any politician has to have to even run for the Presidency, much less win it and/or win it twice, I seriously doubt that either of the Bushes think that they owe their elections to Baker...or anyone else.

Completely OT

Just came back from our end-of-school-year staff party at the Cheesecake Factory. Somehow Clinton and Lewinsky came up (pardon the pun). Next thing I hear is, "Well, I'd rather have a president who gets blow jobs in the Oval Office than one who sends our kids to die for no reason". The rest of the table agreed(except me whose eyes rolled so far back they stuck.)This was a elderly Christian teacher speaking. Sometimes I despair.

Second OT:
Also heard at the party. Our second grade teacher's husband is a staffer for Diane Feinstein. He was visiting his father-in-law (an ex-cop)who wanted to show him his new handgun. He places it (unloaded by the way)in the staffer's (J) hands and J asks where the safety is. J's father-in-law says "what safety?" whereupon J starts yelling "Get it off me, get it off me" like it was going to bite him. This man is 6'2", 220 lbs. and he was terrified to touch an unloaded gun. This is why liberals want to take away our guns, they are personally frightened of firearms and think that everyone else must be as incapable of dealing with them as well.

Well I just teach now, the only entitlement I have is the duty to teach my students physics and astronmy. And yes I am a full professor with tenure. All that gives me is job security.

#280 David E - With all due respect, job security is something Millions of American's would give their right arms for.

#279 stranded

He places it (unloaded by the way)in the staffer's (J) hands and J asks where the safety is. J's father-in-law says "what safety?" whereupon J starts yelling "Get it off me, get it off me" like it was going to bite him. This man is 6'2", 220 lbs. and he was terrified to touch an unloaded gun. This is why liberals want to take away our guns, they are personally frightened of firearms and think that everyone else must be as incapable of dealing with them as well.

We're all screwed. I wonder who this genius is going to vote for, especially since this particular firearm seems to have attacked him.

i hope you don't teach spelling.

277 Boondock St. Bender

And get rid of all hampers with lids on them.

Later, lizards.

I got a GED!

#286 mandy
ENJOY!

Tough crowd tonite...

279 stranded c.

And my mom and dad gave me a rifle for Christmas when I was a teenager. Because I asked for one.I unwrapped it in the living room and all my little brothers and sisters thought it was cool.

What a gulf there is.