The Silver Surfer #4, May 1969

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Today’s cover image from the Lizard Collection is another rare comic book in near-mint condition; The Silver Surfer #4, published in May 1969.

The first seven issues of this series were published as 72-page 25-cent “giants.” Number 4 was one of the best issues, with a great Stan Lee story line featuring the Norse god Loki, who tricks the Silver Surfer into battling his half brother Thor, and beautiful artwork by John Buscema at the top of his game. Buscema said he considered this issue “the high point of his Marvel work.”

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217 comments
1 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:17:46pm

I have never heard of the Silver Surfer till a few years ago..
I suck at comic book stuff…I wished I collected them

2 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:17:52pm

Very cool.
Though, you’d thing people would learn to just ignore anything Loki says…
:)

3 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:18:16pm

re: #2 Varek Raith

Very cool.
Though, you’d thingk people would learn to just ignore anything Loki says…
:)


Sigh.

4 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:19:34pm

But he is the Trickster. The God of Trickiness. He has tricks no other being has. He’ll trick your ass no matter how many times he’s done it before. You can’t stop him. He is Loki.

5 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:20:25pm

re: #4 Charles

But he is the Trickster. The God of Trickiness. He has tricks no other being has. He’ll trick your ass no matter how many times he’s done it before. You can’t stop him. He is Loki.

True.
Tricky bastard.
:)

6 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:21:07pm

Because most functions that require a necktie deserve to be slept through.

Pillow Tie.

7 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:22:38pm

re: #5 Varek Raith

True.
Tricky bastard.
:)

Ok..I said I’ve heard of Silver Surfer…Doesn’t mean I’ve ever read the comic book…

8 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:23:14pm

re: #4 Charles

I do believe he walks among us.

9 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:24:08pm

re: #8 Slumbering Behemoth

I do believe he walks among us.

!
That’s certainly possible!
Hmmm…

10 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:27:22pm

heh, this very cover is used in wiki’s entry of John Buscema…must have been a good one

11 Sand Panda  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:31:03pm

Am I the only one who thinks about patronising articles on web-surfing pensioners whenever the Silver Surfer is mentioned?

12 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:31:22pm

Buscema said he considered this issue “the high point of his Marvel work.”

13 Political Atheist  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:31:56pm

I think that’s my favorite cover of them all so far. Really conveys the motion.

14 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:34:46pm
Youtube Video
15 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:38:03pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

[Video]

this is so stupid…what’s the point?
are we to assume she was privy to the dialog between BP and the admin?…this is teenager shit

16 Political Atheist  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:38:29pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

On top of anti incumbent fervor… Buh bye now!

17 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:40:40pm

extortion is a crime…she’s slandering somebody and the AG ought to shut her up

18 Racer X  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:43:23pm

Drunk Ron Artest - Press Conference - NBA Champions 2010

Youtube Video

I like this guy!

19 Nimed  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:44:06pm

A page from the annals of higher geekdom references this issue
Thor vs the Silver Surfer

Silver Surfer is quoted as having claimed:
I have seen his mallet’s magic, it is truly mightier than my cosmic force.

Make of that what you will.

20 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:46:07pm

slower than molasses in January
Beatles cover the Larry Williams classic
Slow down

Youtube Video
21 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:46:32pm

re: #18 Racer X

Drunk Ron Artest - Press Conference - NBA Champions 2010


[Video]I like this guy!

I don’t he a thug with a smile

22 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:47:26pm

re: #18 Racer X

I thought Artest’s interview was the best. “Kobe threw me the ball! He never throws me the ball!…and Phil’s a zen master…” I was dying.

23 Silvergirl  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:48:52pm

Irony

The best part

24 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:49:19pm

re: #18 Racer X

Drunk Ron Artest - Press Conference - NBA Champions 2010


[Video]I like this guy!

I like Ron Ron..Of course it’s been a while since we shot our self out of a strip club at 3am…Extra ammo Ron Bitch..I told you extra ammo!

25 Cathypop  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:49:48pm

re: #6 Slumbering Behemoth
I wonder if they have a pillow desk? Now that would come in handy!

26 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:50:36pm

re: #24 HoosierHoops

I like Ron Ron..Of course it’s been a while since we shot our self out of a strip club at 3am…Extra ammo Ron Bitch..I told you extra ammo!

or brawling with the fans in Detroit
got his ass kicked

27 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:51:51pm

Beatles cover Carl Perkins
stepped up blues

Youtube Video
28 Racer X  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:52:19pm

re: #22 darthstar

I thought Artest’s interview was the best. “Kobe threw me the ball! He never throws me the ball!…and Phil’s a zen master…” I was dying.

Ron Artest: Kobe passed me the ball!

Youtube Video
29 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:53:27pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

[Video]

It’s fun to run against a crazy person.

I know from experience.

When I ran for mayor, my opponent waited until after his nomination to reveal that he was a bat guano conspiracy buff. Specifically, he told a visiting TV crew that the Air Force was hiding ETs and captured saucers at a nearby base, and that Burt Rutan’s famous Voyager aircraft (first un-refuelled flight around the world) was actually a secret CIA spy mission. Some of our townfolk worked for Rutan and quite a few worked at the base so this didn’t sit well.
He had much, much more to say along those lines and I did my best to keep him talking. As one voter told me, “We don’t know you real well, but you haven’t embarrassed on national TV yet.” Sometimes that is enough.

30 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:54:46pm

re: #26 albusteve

or brawling with the fans in Detroit
got his ass kicked

Yes..I was at a game where Ron Ron got so pissed off he destroyed all the monitors when he ran off the court.. He went crazy and got fined like a 100000 bucks..Ah the good old days

31 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:56:25pm

re: #30 HoosierHoops

Yes..I was at a game where Ron Ron got so pissed off he destroyed all the monitors when he ran off the court.. He went crazy and got fined like a 100000 bucks..Ah the good old days

he was only joking

32 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:58:51pm

some people are really surprised when they learn that Beatles songs where not their songs…they did a lot a covers early in their career, like this one
Long Tall Sally, the Little Richard classic

Youtube Video
33 Political Atheist  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:59:05pm

Hah, Friday Afternoon, and the whistle just blew. I’m outta here like Fred Flintstone leaving the rock quarry.

BBL!

34 rwdflynavy  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:02:40pm

Perfect song for the comic book above…

Youtube Video
35 Silvergirl  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:02:55pm

re: #33 Rightwingconspirator

Hah, Friday Afternoon, and the whistle just blew. I’m outta here like Fred Flintstone leaving the rock quarry.

BBL!

Yabba dabba do
Happy weekend to you!

36 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:04:17pm

re: #31 albusteve

he was only joking

He really snapped…He busted everything in sight…That Boy from Queens is actually insane when he started in Pro Ball…He was so nuts that the first thing Chicago did was they drafted him and found out who he was…traded him..Right off the bat..Ron Ron was insane…The last man in the world you would want guarding you on the court…Fucking insane.
He has matured and has become a great father and team mate..
I want nothing more than to trash him…But I have to give him and the Lakers respect today…
Fucking Ron Ron has become a man and a champion..Dang it!
Congrads Ron…

37 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:08:07pm

re: #33 Rightwingconspirator

Hah, Friday Afternoon, and the whistle just blew. I’m outta here like Fred Flintstone leaving the rock quarry.

BBL!

Don’t blame you. Wilma’s kind of hot.

38 Racer X  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:11:33pm

re: #36 HoosierHoops

He really snapped…He busted everything in sight…That Boy from Queens is actually insane when he started in Pro Ball…He was so nuts that the first thing Chicago did was they drafted him and found out who he was…traded him..Right off the bat..Ron Ron was insane…The last man in the world you would want guarding you on the court…Fucking insane.
He has matured and has become a great father and team mate..
I want nothing more than to trash him…But I have to give him and the Lakers respect today…
Fucking Ron Ron has become a man and a champion..Dang it!
Congrads Ron…

One the first people he thanked - right after the game ended and someone shoved a mic in his grill - was his psychiatrist. That has to be a first in ANY sport!

39 OldnGrumpy  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:12:16pm

Good Lord,I remember reading these when they were new.

Thanks for the blast from the past,Charles!

40 Racer X  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:12:37pm

Ron Artest Interview After Winning NBA Championship

Youtube Video
41 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:13:21pm

Kansas City
Leiber and Stoller
best version ever

Youtube Video
42 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:18:52pm

re: #38 Racer X

One the first people he thanked - right after the game ended and someone shoved a mic in his grill - was his psychiatrist. That has to be a first in ANY sport!

I saw that…He fairness…He always was somebody walking right on the edge of sanity…You know Ron is a really great father…Just loves his kids…And has a good heart..
But Ron Ron has been insane and in therapy..period…
Did you know 2 years ago on this date last year he walked naked into a shower with Kobe and made a pact to win the world championship?
The dude is nuts..And if he is guarding you? You are F*cked….Kobe ran out of the shower screaming we have to sign this fucker! That’s the facts!

43 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:19:12pm

re: #15 albusteve

this is so stupid…what’s the point?
are we to assume she was privy to the dialog between BP and the admin?…this is teenager shit

Republicans have completely fucked up their response to the oil spill. Epic fail. They were so worked up trying to damage Obama they forgot that maybe aligning with the people who actually caused the spill would be a very bad idea. There’s more than enough ammunition out there and it is going to be an issue in future elections. Some are even trying to erase history and claim credit for the escrow fund….
Do Republicans deserve partial credit for the BP fund?
I think it’s a little too late. They’d have better luck claiming credit for healthcare reform since it actually was based on their ideas.

44 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:20:59pm

I bought 48 ounces of beef jerky, 13 ounces of salami, 6 quarts of gatorade, and a pint of fat free Kraft mayo yesterday.

45 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:21:35pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Republicans have completely fucked up their response to the oil spill. Epic fail. They were so worked up trying to damage Obama they forgot that maybe aligning with the people who actually caused the spill would be a very bad idea. There’s more than enough ammunition out there and it is going to be an issue in future elections. Some are even trying to erase history and claim credit for the escrow fund…
Do Republicans deserve partial credit for the BP fund?
I think it’s a little too late. They’d have better luck claiming credit for healthcare reform since it actually was based on their ideas.

look for a real Poo-O-Rama this fall…somebody has to lose

46 Racer X  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:21:55pm

re: #42 HoosierHoops

I saw that…He fairness…He always was somebody walking right on the edge of sanity…You know Ron is a really great father…Just loves his kids…And has a good heart..
But Ron Ron has been insane and in therapy..period…
Did you know 2 years ago on this date last year he walked naked into a shower with Kobe and made a pact to win the world championship?
The dude is nuts..And if he is guarding you? You are F*cked…Kobe ran out of the shower screaming we have to sign this fucker! That’s the facts!

That is too funny!

Ron has been invaluable in this series. I’m not sure we would have won game 7 without him.

47 Racer X  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:22:24pm

re: #44 darthstar

I bought 48 ounces of beef jerky, 13 ounces of salami, 6 quarts of gatorade, and a pint of fat free Kraft mayo yesterday.

Party at Darthstar’s house!

48 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:22:36pm

re: #44 darthstar

I bought 48 ounces of beef jerky, 13 ounces of salami, 6 quarts of gatorade, and a pint of fat free Kraft mayo yesterday.

and we need to know this because….?

49 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:23:25pm

re: #44 darthstar

I bought 48 ounces of beef jerky, 13 ounces of salami, 6 quarts of gatorade, and a pint of fat free Kraft mayo yesterday.

Fat free mayo? It must be made of some kind of corn by-product. I had to read the label on fat free half and half. Losta corn syrup. It’s actually more fattening than real half and half.

50 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:23:49pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Republicans have completely fucked up their response to the oil spill. Epic fail. They were so worked up trying to damage Obama they forgot that maybe aligning with the people who actually caused the spill would be a very bad idea. There’s more than enough ammunition out there and it is going to be an issue in future elections. Some are even trying to erase history and claim credit for the escrow fund…
Do Republicans deserve partial credit for the BP fund?
I think it’s a little too late. They’d have better luck claiming credit for healthcare reform since it actually was based on their ideas.

By November, the Republicans will be claiming they told god to make the sun rise every day, and if Barack Obama had his way (and the Democrats), we’d be in eternal darkness right now.

51 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:24:06pm

re: #45 albusteve

look for a real Poo-O-Rama this fall…somebody has to lose

The prospects of Republican gains are looking slimmer if they keep this up. They might pick up a few seats but not nearly as many as they should if they were actually concerned with helping the country instead of opposing the President.

52 Racer X  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:24:52pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

The prospects of Republican gains are looking slimmer if they keep this up. They might pick up a few seats but not nearly as many as they should if they were actually concerned with helping the country instead of opposing the President.

Damn straight.

And a damn shame.

53 Four More Tears  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:25:37pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

The prospects of Republican gains are looking slimmer if they keep this up. They might pick up a few seats but not nearly as many as they should if they were actually concerned with helping the country instead of opposing the President.

They should have been the party trying to protect the small businesses that have been seriously hurt by this spill. Instead we get blind opposition.

54 OldnGrumpy  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:25:47pm

re: #50 darthstar

By November, the Republicans will be claiming they told god to make the sun rise every day, and if Barack Obama had his way (and the Democrats), we’d be in eternal darkness right now.

We’re not?

/takes off sunglasses

Oh…..nevermind

55 Semper Fi  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:26:40pm

Hoops,
Spent the night in Sebastopol, CA. Saturday will be in Santa Rosa with Sunday in Napa. Weather expected to be partly cloudy and close to 80F temps.

56 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:26:56pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

Fat free mayo? It must be made of some kind of corn by-product. I had to read the label on fat free half and half. Losta corn syrup. It’s actually more fattening than real half and half.

Beats the shit out of me…I don’t even eat regular mayo. These were just a few items my wife needed to satisfy the “band riders” for a private company party she’s hosting this weekend, so I picked them up on my way home from work. When the hired entertainment can make those kinds of requests, you know the company shelled out more than a few dollars for their little shin-dig.

57 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:27:18pm

re: #52 Racer X

Damn straight.

And a damn shame.

For the first time in my life I’m considering blindly voting D across the board. The Republicans are in outer space and I’m very concerned what a Republican controlled government in this country would be like today.

58 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:27:48pm

re: #53 JasonA

They should have been the party trying to protect the small businesses that have been seriously hurt by this spill. Instead we get blind opposition.

That would have been a very smart approach.

59 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:27:54pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

The prospects of Republican gains are looking slimmer if they keep this up. They might pick up a few seats but not nearly as many as they should if they were actually concerned with helping the country instead of opposing the President.

well, as for me, I just don’t think it matters much anymore…we will not be governed properly regardless…after GBs last two years and now BO I’m just gonna keep my head down…govt is out of control imo but I don’t want to step on anybody’s toes

60 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:27:59pm

re: #55 Semper Fi

Hoops,
Spent the night in Sebastopol, CA. Saturday will be in Santa Rosa with Sunday in Napa. Weather expected to be partly cloudy and close to 80F temps.

Check out Clos Pegase winery…one of my favorites.

61 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:28:03pm

re: #46 Racer X

That is too funny!

Ron has been invaluable in this series. I’m not sure we would have won game 7 without him.

I saw him play with the Pacers…He is a monster on defense..The ultimate NYC Street player…Kobe got him signed..This dude is insane..And what really sucks is he has a shot..That’s what hurts…
I hope he is proud tonight because it’s his fault Reggie Miller never got a ring…

62 ryannon  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:29:06pm

re: #41 albusteve

Kansas City
Leiber and Stoller
best version ever

[Video]

Not. Really.

63 Four More Tears  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:29:13pm

re: #58 Killgore Trout

That would have been a very smart approach.

Even if it was just lip service, that’s the angle I would think they should have taken. Instead we get shakedowns, slush funds, and whatever’s coming out of Bachmann’s mouth.

64 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:30:56pm

today I bought 8 rolls of toilet paper, 4 each of dish soap and shampoo, two tubes of toothpaste and a toothbrush….of course it will all just sit there unused, but it was a good deal

65 Racer X  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:31:12pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

For the first time in my life I’m considering blindly voting D across the board. The Republicans are in outer space and I’m very concerned what a Republican controlled government in this country would be like today.

Don’t do anything blindly. I can still recall the weird shit pulled by Dems in the past. Mostly I just vote NO nowadays. And vote the incumbent out - (D) or (R). They had their shot - the country is fucked. Time for new blood.

66 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:31:36pm

re: #44 darthstar

I bought 48 ounces of beef jerky, 13 ounces of salami, 6 quarts of gatorade, and a pint of fat free Kraft mayo yesterday.

That is my kinda grocery run…

67 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:31:41pm

re: #64 albusteve

today I bought 8 rolls of toilet paper, 4 each of dish soap and shampoo, two tubes of toothpaste and a toothbrush…of course it will all just sit there unused, but it was a good deal

It’s okay to use the toilet paper, dish soap, shampoo, and toothpaste…just don’t confuse them.

68 Semper Fi  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:32:17pm

re: #60 darthstar

Check out Clos Pegase winery…one of my favorites.

Just made a note. If convenient will do.

69 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:32:54pm

re: #62 ryannon

Not. Really.

a good second choice…poor Fats really got hammered by Katrina…lost everything he had

70 Racer X  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:34:00pm

Blind support / blind opposition are both ignorant. Look into the issues and gather the facts. Investigate who wants your vote and why. Make decisions that best meet your desires.

71 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:36:05pm

re: #68 Semper Fi

Just made a note. If convenient will do.

It’s right next to Sterling just south of Calistoga on the Dunaweal cross road. They’ve got a beautiful grounds with lots of sculptures. And they only bottle the vines they grow.

[Link: www.clospegase.com…]

72 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:36:29pm

re: #55 Semper Fi

Hoops,
Spent the night in Sebastopol, CA. Saturday will be in Santa Rosa with Sunday in Napa. Weather expected to be partly cloudy and close to 80F temps.

Hi You! that is awesome! Pops called me today from Yountville at 2pm..
Did you know your daughter got laid off?
Yea dad…She told me..
Well what the hell is she going to do?
I don’t know dad..
She should move into your old room..
Sure pops..I’m sure that’s the first thing that popped into her head..Move in with grandpa..
She got laid off!
I know dad…
What is she going to do?
I don’t know pops…Keep that room open..
He loves Nikki and is worried to death..Good old pops

73 OldnGrumpy  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:37:34pm

“Why are you wearing your sunglasses at night?”
“Because when you’re cool,the sun shine on you 24 hours a day”

-My Science Project

Youtube Video
74 ryannon  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:38:28pm

re: #69 albusteve

a good second choice…poor Fats really got hammered by Katrina…lost everything he had

Yeah, unfortunate that. It’s to hope that the royalties are still coming in.

But when I hear him singing “Kansas City”, I can hear that he actually was there - and probably sang in the joints the city was famous for back in the day.

The Beatles, not so much.

75 Semper Fi  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:39:31pm

re: #71 darthstar

It’s right next to Sterling just south of Calistoga on the Dunaweal cross road. They’ve got a beautiful grounds with lots of sculptures. And they only bottle the vines they grow.

[Link: www.clospegase.com…]

That location may be doable, thanks.

76 allegro  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:39:54pm

re: #72 HoosierHoops

Did you know your daughter got laid off?

Whoa, quickly scanning and at first read that leaving off the “off”. I’m thinking, dayum, what a thing for a dad and grandpa to be talking about.

77 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:40:08pm

Beatles cover the Detroit one hit wonders., the Donays

Youtube Video

Devil In Her Heart
78 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:42:00pm

re: #74 ryannon

Yeah, unfortunate that. It’s to hope that the royalties are still coming in.

But when I hear him singing “Kansas City”, I can hear that he actually was there - and probably sang in the joints the city was famous for back in the day.

The Beatles, not so much.

he’s born and raised in NOLA…don’t think there is any KC connection

79 EdDantes  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:42:49pm

1969? That was before I was born! Actually I was fourteen, so never mind.

80 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:43:07pm

re: #70 Racer X

Blind support / blind opposition are both ignorant. Look into the issues and gather the facts. Investigate who wants your vote and why. Make decisions that best meet your desires.

I find the Republican party very spooky these days. Would I vote for a candidate who refuses to denounce Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Tea Parties or Birch society? I’d be more than happy to vote for Republicans who want to reform their party and get back to serious political ideas. I don’t think many Republicans are interested in that.

81 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:43:39pm

re: #56 darthstar

Beats the shit out of me…I don’t even eat regular mayo. These were just a few items my wife needed to satisfy the “band riders” for a private company party she’s hosting this weekend, so I picked them up on my way home from work. When the hired entertainment can make those kinds of requests, you know the company shelled out more than a few dollars for their little shin-dig.

At least you didn’t have to buy a huge bag of M&Ms and eat all the ones that weren’t red.

82 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:43:51pm

re: #74 ryannon

whoops….
good point tho, I might add….the vibe means a lot in blues, R/B

83 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:44:12pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Republicans have completely fucked up their response to the oil spill. Epic fail. They were so worked up trying to damage Obama they forgot that maybe aligning with the people who actually caused the spill would be a very bad idea. There’s more than enough ammunition out there and it is going to be an issue in future elections. Some are even trying to erase history and claim credit for the escrow fund…
Do Republicans deserve partial credit for the BP fund?
I think it’s a little too late. They’d have better luck claiming credit for healthcare reform since it actually was based on their ideas.

Absolutely right on target.

84 Semper Fi  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:45:37pm

re: #72 HoosierHoops

Hi You! that is awesome! Pops called me today from Yountville at 2pm..
Did you know your daughter got laid off?
Yea dad…She told me..
Well what the hell is she going to do?
I don’t know dad..
She should move into your old room..
Sure pops..I’m sure that’s the first thing that popped into her head..Move in with grandpa..
She got laid off!
I know dad…
What is she going to do?
I don’t know pops…Keep that room open..
He loves Nikki and is worried to death..Good old pops

I hope Nikki comes up with something soon. Unemployed is no fun.
My daughter, who I’ll be with sat and sun, is still employed even though wine business is quite slow. She invited me for Father’s Day w-end and hope there’s no tale of woe at the end of my visit. I love that little gal and hope all’s well.

85 Four More Tears  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:46:21pm

re: #80 Killgore Trout

I find the Republican party very spooky these days. Would I vote for a candidate who refuses to denounce Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Tea Parties or Birch society? I’d be more than happy to vote for Republicans who want to reform their party and get back to serious political ideas. I don’t think many Republicans are interested in that.

Speaking of Rush, did you happen to see him mimicking Obama’s little girl?

86 OldnGrumpy  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:47:05pm

Motor City Madman-Stranglehold

Stickman cover

Youtube Video
87 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:47:11pm

re: #72 HoosierHoops

Hi You! that is awesome! Pops called me today from Yountville at 2pm..
Did you know your daughter got laid off?
Yea dad…She told me..
Well what the hell is she going to do?
I don’t know dad..
She should move into your old room..
Sure pops..I’m sure that’s the first thing that popped into her head..Move in with grandpa..
She got laid off!
I know dad…
What is she going to do?
I don’t know pops…Keep that room open..
He loves Nikki and is worried to death..Good old pops

What line of work is your daughter in, Hoops? I know some people up there in that neighborhood.

88 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:47:32pm

re: #76 allegro

Whoa, quickly scanning and at first read that leaving off the “off”. I’m thinking, dayum, what a thing for a dad and grandpa to be talking about.

My Nikki got laid off…She is the love of my heart..My beautiful Daughter..
I’m sorry she is unemployed.. This is tough for her…
I remember being her age out of college with a young family…I know how it is..Nikki will do just fine..Even if she has to move back home for a while

89 EdDantes  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:48:58pm

re: #85 JasonA

Speaking of Rush, did you happen to see him mimicking Obama’s little girl?

Is that the daughter who asked Obama when he was going to plug the hole?

90 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:49:02pm

re: #15 albusteve

this is so stupid…what’s the point?
are we to assume she was privy to the dialog between BP and the admin?…this is teenager shit

Uhh…doesn’t that cover almost all of political discourse and especially political ads now? Or didn’t the “demon sheep” ad make any impression on you?

91 allegro  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:49:26pm

re: #88 HoosierHoops

Nikki will do just fine..Even if she has to move back home for a while

With such a wonderful support system, she surely will do fine. She’s got a great family!

92 ryannon  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:49:57pm

re: #78 albusteve

he’s born and raised in NOLA…don’t think there is any KC connection

He wuz a musician, Steve. They get around, and he wasn’t always famous. I have no idea if he ever played there before he started recording, but it sounds pretty comfortable - a lot like New Orleans, if fact.

Although Kansas City, Missouri is known primarily for jazz, it has also contributed to the history of and the preserverance of the blues.
Kansas City did not enter into blues history until the 1940s. Kansas City blues artists Pete Johnson and Big Joe Turner recorded a style of music called jump blues, which later provided the foundation for rhythm and blues, and later rock and roll. Charlie Parker dabbled in the blues in the late 1940s with his release of “Now’s the Time”, a bebop jazz number that gave a nod to the popularity of the blues in Kansas City, by using the familiar blues pentatonic scale and blue notes.
The blues scene in Kansas City produced Jay McShann, Sonny Kenner, Little Hatch and Cotton Candy and the blues was popular in small nightclubs and after-hours jam sessions. Many Kansas City musicians would finish their “paying” gigs at weddings, jazz clubs etc. and then pack up and head to the 18th and Vine-Downtown East, Kansas City district to participate in all-night parties that would sometimes continue well into daylight.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

93 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:49:59pm

re: #84 Semper Fi

I hope Nikki comes up with something soon. Unemployed is no fun.
My daughter, who I’ll be with sat and sun, is still employed even though wine business is quite slow. She invited me for Father’s Day w-end and hope there’s no tale of woe at the end of my visit. I love that little gal and hope all’s well.

my girl and her hubby are solidly employed…with excellent jobs, in fact they both have turned down various other jobs…all during this meltdown…whew!…I’d just hate to have to worry about my kids, it would drive me to drinking (oh wait)…and my son has two more years of dental school with guaranteed jobs afterword…a stress I don’t need, and I count my blessings for them

94 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:50:44pm

re: #85 JasonA

Speaking of Rush, did you happen to see him mimicking Obama’s little girl?

man, I missed that!….DARN!

95 Four More Tears  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:51:23pm

re: #89 EdDantes

Is that the daughter who asked Obama when he was going to plug the hole?

Yeah, that one.

Media Matters Video
96 Silvergirl  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:51:48pm

re: #55 Semper Fi

Hoops,
Spent the night in Sebastopol, CA. Saturday will be in Santa Rosa with Sunday in Napa. Weather expected to be partly cloudy and close to 80F temps.

Next week I will also be passing through Santa Rosa after some time in Nevada County and then spending a couple weeks in Mendocino. Hate me if you must, Hoopster. :-)

97 ryannon  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:53:00pm

Poseur or not?

Anyway, he’s dead, Steve.

Youtube Video
98 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:54:10pm

re: #83 reine.de.tout

Absolutely right on target.

What’s even more painful is the Republicans didn’t even have to do anything. They didn’t have to make the right decision or come up with a working plan. All they needed to do was sit there and not embarrass themselves. They even failed at that. Epic stupidity. Jindal and a few others seem to be doing ok but they are far outnumbered by the other idiots in their party who just can’t help making a mess out of things.

99 Gus  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:54:17pm

re: #95 JasonA

Yeah, that one.

[Link: mediamatters.org…]

OC 80

100 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:54:30pm

re: #85 JasonA

Speaking of Rush, did you happen to see him mimicking Obama’s little girl?

Yeah, that was pretty bad.

101 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:54:37pm

re: #92 ryannon

I know about the music scene in KC…I study that stuff and am sure Fats played KC many’s the time, but he had no roots there that I know of, that was my point

102 Four More Tears  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:54:59pm

re: #99 Gus 802

OC 80

?

103 ryannon  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:55:25pm

re: #101 albusteve

I know about the music scene in KC…I study that stuff and am sure Fats played KC many’s the time, but he had no roots there that I know of, that was my point

I got you. Not looking to stir up any dust.

104 Racer X  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:55:29pm

re: #80 Killgore Trout

I find the Republican party very spooky these days. Would I vote for a candidate who refuses to denounce Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Tea Parties or Birch society? I’d be more than happy to vote for Republicans who want to reform their party and get back to serious political ideas. I don’t think many Republicans are interested in that.

The current crop of GOPers are a classic example of the Emperor’s New Clothes. No one wants to point out the obvious for fear of retribution (and lost votes).

It’s gonna bite them on the ass.

105 Gus  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:56:01pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

What’s even more painful is the Republicans didn’t even have to do anything. They didn’t have to make the right decision or come up with a working plan. All they needed to do was sit there and not embarrass themselves. They even failed at that. Epic stupidity. Jindal and a few others seem to be doing ok but they are far outnumbered by the other idiots in their party who just can’t help making a mess out of things.

Again they offered no solutions or what one would expect, alternative. Instead it was all based on either unhinged talking points or non-stop criticism. Essentially they played the role of the back seat driver.

106 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:56:09pm

re: #97 ryannon

Poseur or not?

Anyway, he’s dead, Steve.


[Video]

I get a movie trailer

108 Gus  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:56:39pm

re: #102 JasonA

?

OxyContin, 80 mg.

109 OldnGrumpy  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:56:42pm

My all time favorite artist…asks the musical question “Is there Life on Mars”

Youtube Video
110 EdDantes  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:56:45pm

re: #95 JasonA

That’s what I thought. Politician’s should leave their children out of political discussion.

111 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:57:44pm

re: #96 Silvergirl

Next week I will also be passing through Santa Rosa after some time in Nevada County and then spending a couple weeks in Mendocino. Hate me if you must, Hoopster. :-)

Ok young lady…When you go to Mendocino stop by Goat’s rock on the coast..
I got caught by a sheriffs at 4am doing the wild thing when I was in College..
*Where is your ID Boy?*
Where ever my pants are sir…
LOL
I got my BA from Sonoma State

112 Four More Tears  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:58:41pm

re: #108 Gus 802

OxyContin, 80 mg.

lol

113 Gus  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:59:13pm

re: #112 JasonA

lol

H/T from a comment at Media Matters. /

114 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 4:59:46pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

Erickson brings White House “shakedown” of BP charge to CNN (video)

re: #107 Killgore Trout

Erickson brings White House “shakedown” of BP charge to CNN (video)



Doesn’t Erickson realize that Republicans are starting to try and take credit for the $20billion shakedown?

(but only because President Obama is using the spill for political gain)

115 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:00:10pm

re: #104 Racer X

The current crop of GOPers are a classic example of the Emperor’s New Clothes. No one wants to point out the obvious for fear of retribution (and lost votes).

It’s gonna bite them on the ass.

don’t bet on it…you could lose your shirt…if the vast right and all it’s conservatives have taken this path…there have been a million posts here…if this is where they are going, then how can you turn around and discount the whole damned thing?….either they are rising in power or they aren’t…which is it?

116 ryannon  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:00:29pm

re: #106 albusteve

I get a movie trailer

I guess he was some kind of a movie. But I’ve heard and seen a lot worse.

Youtube Video
117 EdDantes  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:01:38pm

re: #109 OldnGrumpy

I saw him in Feb. 2004 at the S.J shark tank. Great show.

118 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:01:58pm

re: #116 ryannon

I guess he was some kind of a movie. But I’ve heard and seen a lot worse.


[Video]

same thing…you are 0 for 2 bro

119 ryannon  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:02:55pm

No accounting for (bad) taste, I guess. Which leads me to Chuck Prophet:

Youtube Video
120 Four More Tears  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:03:05pm

re: #114 darthstar


Doesn’t Erickson realize that Republicans are starting to try and take credit for the $20billion shakedown?

(but only because President Obama is using the spill for political gain)

This is starting to get my dander up a little. Getting this money from BP is a very good thing for the people affected by this mess. For them this could very well be a “big fucking deal.”

121 Racer X  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:03:36pm

re: #115 albusteve

don’t bet on it…you could lose your shirt…if the vast right and all it’s conservatives have taken this path…there have been a million posts here…if this is where they are going, then how can you turn around and discount the whole damned thing?…either they are rising in power or they aren’t…which is it?

They are heading in a direction that is not easy to follow long term. Many will jump on this Tea Party / Bircher bandwagon, but the ride will not last long. And then where are you? Nowhere.

The middle of the road crowd will abandon the TPers when they start talking about Birchers and illegals and the gays.

122 b_sharp  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:05:22pm

OT: (As if that matters)

Some good news affecting AGW. There are plans from a fair number of countries, including Canada, US, China and Russia, to build 65 new Gen III and Gen IV nuclear energy plants.

It looks like nuclear energy is making a comeback.

123 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:05:35pm

re: #120 JasonA

This is starting to get my dander up a little. Getting this money from BP is a very good thing for the people affected by this mess. For them this could very well be a “big fucking deal.”

Yep. It is a big fucking deal. And if everything goes well, the people of the Gulf will be able to survive this disaster, keep their homes and businesses, and still be able to blame President Obama for their ills, as that’s what they’re being told by the media and the GOP.

124 OldnGrumpy  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:05:58pm

re: #117 EdDantes

I saw him in Feb. 2004 at the S.J shark tank. Great show.

I saw him on his Diamond Dogs tour in ‘74 and again in ‘95 with Nine Inch Nails.

He’s the consummate showman.

Youtube Video
125 Racer X  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:06:29pm

I get quite a few ODS emails each day from friends and family - some of it very nasty stuff. I continue to point out the bullshit / hypocrisy / racism. In a polite way. No one likes to be told they are stupid. I’m making an impact - slowly. It takes time though.

The Dark Force is strong in the TPers.

126 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:06:38pm

re: #121 Racer X

They are heading in a direction that is not easy to follow long term. Many will jump on this Tea Party / Bircher bandwagon, but the ride will not last long. And then where are you? Nowhere.

The middle of the road crowd will abandon the TPers when they start talking about Birchers and illegals and the gays.

we don’t know that yet…that is speculation, we can only wait and see…I myself see them as a very real political threat…Newt is no small guy you know

127 ryannon  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:07:26pm

re: #118 albusteve

same thing…you are 0 for 2 bro

I also like Bjork. And Sigur Ros.

I hope we can still be Internet friends.

128 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:08:04pm

re: #123 darthstar

Yep. It is a big fucking deal. And if everything goes well, the people of the Gulf will be able to survive this disaster, keep their homes and businesses, and still be able to blame President Obama for their ills, as that’s what they’re being told by the media and the GOP.

you think BP has that much money?….groovy, I don’t…people are gonna get stiffed, tens of thousands of them…bet me

129 Semper Fi  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:09:06pm

re: #93 albusteve

my girl and her hubby are solidly employed…with excellent jobs, in fact they both have turned down various other jobs…all during this meltdown…whew!…I’d just hate to have to worry about my kids, it would drive me to drinking (oh wait)…and my son has two more years of dental school with guaranteed jobs afterword…a stress I don’t need, and I count my blessings for them

Dentists do so well especially with me lately. Very costly work.
Your daughter and son-in-law lookin’ pretty good. Hope it stays that way.
It is indeed stressful for a parent when their child is in employment limbo for any period.

130 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:09:57pm

re: #122 b_sharp

OT: (As if that matters)

Some good news affecting AGW. There are plans from a fair number of countries, including Canada, US, China and Russia, to build 65 new Gen III and Gen IV nuclear energy plants.

It looks like nuclear energy is making a comeback.

great!…show me the beef, I want to see ground breaking, not hear political blather

131 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:10:09pm

re: #123 darthstar

Yep. It is a big fucking deal. And if everything goes well, the people of the Gulf will be able to survive this disaster, keep their homes and businesses, and still be able to blame President Obama for their ills, as that’s what they’re being told by the media and the GOP.

Hi Darth!
People are terrified to say that this spill may kill the gulf coast..
At this point..I’d say it’s about 40/60 odds that the coast is fucked…Ask me this time next year what the Congressional hearings will be like..

132 Semper Fi  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:10:47pm

re: #96 Silvergirl

Next week I will also be passing through Santa Rosa after some time in Nevada County and then spending a couple weeks in Mendocino. Hate me if you must, Hoopster. :-)

Couple weeks in Mendocino sounds really good. Have you checked out Gualala on the coast up there? I love that place.

133 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:11:04pm

re: #127 ryannon

I also like Bjork. And Sigur Ros.

I hope we can still be Internet friends.

my office is now screening your posts

134 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:11:31pm

re: #126 albusteve

we don’t know that yet…that is speculation, we can only wait and see…I myself see them as a very real political threat…Newt is no small guy you know



Here’s a first-hand report of a recent Tea Party (notice I didn’t say teabagger) event.

Here’s the summary paragraph as I suspect you’ll not bother reading the diary if you go so far as to follow the link:

What I learned: Though I had read it and heard it, nothing beats direct observation. The people in this room were not merely inexperienced grassroots organizers—they had no idea how to coalesce a movement, recruit members, articulate a platform, gather and analyze facts, or even operate rudimentary audio-visual equipment. They had no instincts for critical thinking, preferring instead to be told what to do by authority figures who seem to have information they agree with. They felt more comfortable relinquishing responsibility for the outcome of events on God than taking responsibility themselves. Two or three seemed to have the ability to argue more than one side of an issue or to address mainstream perceptions of their efforts. But overall, they appeared to be looking not for a way to blaze a new trail of political thought, but for validation of an extremely isolated, provincial viewpoint. Though the experience of sitting in that room was one of the most dismaying in my life, ranking right up there with being told in the delivery room that my epidural had failed, I came away with the conviction that this group was ignorant, annoying, and clueless, but not, ultimately, a threat to democracy, mainstream politics, or the Geek Squad.

(emphasis added)

135 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:11:59pm

young people are so idealistic…so refreshing

136 Racer X  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:12:03pm

re: #125 Racer X

I get quite a few ODS emails each day from friends and family - some of it very nasty stuff. I continue to point out the bullshit / hypocrisy / racism. In a polite way. No one likes to be told they are stupid. I’m making an impact - slowly. It takes time though.

The Dark Force is strong in the TPers.

I got some heat a few days ago for posting that I like to bash the prez. It’s true though. He is the top guy - and in my mind he has, and is, making mistakes. I like to point them out - in the hope that he course corrects.

This past week he did in fact take my advice. He summoned the BP execs to the White House, met face to face and told them his expectations. They walked away with BP ponying up $20 Billion. Obama gets to take credit for that. He did exactly what I proposed he do. Good job!

(I find it comforting to know Obama reads LGF, and Racer X’s comments in particular)

137 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:13:14pm

re: #128 albusteve

you think BP has that much money?…groovy, I don’t…people are gonna get stiffed, tens of thousands of them…bet me

Of course they are. People always lose in big disasters. But for the first time in the history of this nation, we’ve got a president who is guaranteeing, preemptively, that at least some people will be at least partially compensated without having to wait 20 years for the courts to decide their fate.

That’s a major fucking change, whether you’re willing to recognize it or not.

138 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:13:28pm

re: #128 albusteve

you think BP has that much money?…groovy, I don’t…people are gonna get stiffed, tens of thousands of them…bet me

I think the reason for the escrow is that it can be paid out immediately. Communities spent decades in court with exxon over the Valdeze spill.
Also since the money is already in escrow BP can’t weasel out of paying or declare bankruptcy to avoid their obligation. It’s very hard to come up with a good reason to oppose the escrow account.

139 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:14:33pm

from your link…
I came away with the conviction that this group was ignorant, annoying, and clueless, but not, ultimately, a threat to democracy, mainstream politics, or the Geek Squad.

I felt the very same way about BO and his supporters…still do
we are in the age of Am Idol politics…anything is possible

140 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:14:43pm

re: #138 Killgore Trout

I think the reason for the escrow is that it can be paid out immediately. Communities spent decades in court with exxon over the Valdeze spill.
Also since the money is already in escrow BP can’t weasel out of paying or declare bankruptcy to avoid their obligation. It’s very hard to come up with a good reason to oppose the escrow account.

You forget our president is black. (no, it wasn’t said…it doesn’t have to be)

141 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:15:03pm

re: #122 b_sharp

OT: (As if that matters)

Some good news affecting AGW. There are plans from a fair number of countries, including Canada, US, China and Russia, to build 65 new Gen III and Gen IV nuclear energy plants.

It looks like nuclear energy is making a comeback.

about damn time…

thanks for the link-

142 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:15:27pm

So after my repeated urging I finally got mom to go and see an actual doctor (a very good neurosurgeon) instead of all these “new age woo peddler” quacks. He spent about five minutes with her x-rays and MRI scans (on disk) and diagnosed her as having Spondylosis.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Problem is he insisted she go in for surgery immediately before any more permanent nerve damage could accrue. She is obviously adverse to having major (although routine) surgery done on her neck, and has attempted to seek out second, third, and fourth opinions before it is done. I picked this doctor, I asked around, I looked up his record, I checked him out six ways to Sunday and I personally trust his judgment.

He didn’t say it (he didn’t have to) but this entire last surgery on her shoulder was completely pointless and did nothing but make the Dr. involved money. It has nothing at all to do with her shoulder it is her cervical spine.

No wonder so many people are becoming skeptical of “science” you have thousands of people peddling quack cures that don’t work (and even surgical procedures) out there while being endorsed and paid for by the government.

143 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:16:27pm

re: #140 darthstar

You forget our president is black. (no, it wasn’t said…it doesn’t have to be)

He’s Muslim too. I wonder if that escrow account is Sharia compliant.

144 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:16:35pm

re: #137 darthstar

Of course they are. People always lose in big disasters. But for the first time in the history of this nation, we’ve got a president who is guaranteeing, preemptively, that at least some people will be at least partially compensated without having to wait 20 years for the courts to decide their fate.

That’s a major fucking change, whether you’re willing to recognize it or not.

gag me…all the tripe means nothing yet…why should I recognize something that hasn’t even happened yet?…your BO drool is disgusting

145 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:16:40pm

re: #139 albusteve

from your link…
I came away with the conviction that this group was ignorant, annoying, and clueless, but not, ultimately, a threat to democracy, mainstream politics, or the Geek Squad.

I felt the very same way about BO and his supporters…still do
we are in the age of Am Idol politics…anything is possible

So whose opinion is right? Yours or hers? Or is it possible you’re both right (to different degrees)? Like I said, it was an anecdotal example of one person’s first-hand experience with the Tea Party. Take it for what it’s worth. But do read the entire thing. She does, in fact, quote what was said directly.

146 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:18:02pm

re: #143 Killgore Trout

He’s Muslim too. I wonder if that escrow account is Sharia compliant.

he’s neither black nor Muslim…let’s keep our eye on the ball

147 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:18:13pm

Evening, fellow lizards. What’s good word?

148 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:18:56pm

re: #144 albusteve

gag me…all the tripe means nothing yet…why should I recognize something that hasn’t even happened yet?…your BO drool is disgusting

I’m withholding judgment until I’ve seen results. The guy managing the escrow fund announced today he expects to start making payments within 60 days. 60 days is still less than 20 years, according to the old math.

149 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:19:09pm

re: #147 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Evening, fellow lizards. What’s good word?

Legs. Spread the word.

150 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:19:54pm

re: #146 albusteve

he’s neither black nor Muslim…let’s keep our eye on the ball

OMFGZQ! he’s not black!?!

151 KingKenrod  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:21:41pm

re: #138 Killgore Trout

I think the reason for the escrow is that it can be paid out immediately. Communities spent decades in court with exxon over the Valdeze spill.
Also since the money is already in escrow BP can’t weasel out of paying or declare bankruptcy to avoid their obligation. It’s very hard to come up with a good reason to oppose the escrow account.

The $20 billion will be funded over a few years, how many I’m not sure. Perhaps this can be legislated since nothing else seems to have been.

A reason BP agreed to this is for cost certainty reasons, to help support their stock price while the true cost of the disaster is ironed out.

152 OldnGrumpy  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:22:30pm

Here’s a tune that was covered by Bowie and Mott The Hoople,this is the finest rendition there is…by the original artist,Lou Reed.

Some excellent guitar work

Youtube Video
153 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:22:30pm

re: #145 darthstar

So whose opinion is right? Yours or hers?

Mine. I thought we covered this already?

Who’s making the gin run tonight?

154 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:22:36pm

re: #147 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Evening, fellow lizards. What’s good word?

vuvuzela

155 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:23:36pm

re: #151 KingKenrod

The $20 billion will be funded over a few years, how many I’m not sure. Perhaps this can be legislated since nothing else seems to have been.

A reason BP agreed to this is for cost certainty reasons, to help support their stock price while the true cost of the disaster is ironed out.

It was a good deal, period, IMHO. It takes the sting off of the stupid moratorium if they do it right.

156 Semper Fi  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:23:44pm

re: #142 ausador

So after my repeated urging I finally got mom to go and see an actual doctor (a very good neurosurgeon) instead of all these “new age woo peddler” quacks. He spent about five minutes with her x-rays and MRI scans (on disk) and diagnosed her as having Spondylosis.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Problem is he insisted she go in for surgery immediately before any more permanent nerve damage could accrue. She is obviously adverse to having major (although routine) surgery done on her neck, and has attempted to seek out second, third, and fourth opinions before it is done. I picked this doctor, I asked around, I looked up his record, I checked him out six ways to Sunday and I personally trust his judgment.

He didn’t say it (he didn’t have to) but this entire last surgery on her shoulder was completely pointless and did nothing but make the Dr. involved money. It has nothing at all to do with her shoulder it is her cervical spine.

No wonder so many people are becoming skeptical of “science” you have thousands of people peddling quack cures that don’t work (and even surgical procedures) out there while being endorsed and paid for by the government.

I truly hope she does something. A life in pain is to be avoided if at all possible.

157 Gus  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:24:01pm

re: #138 Killgore Trout

I think the reason for the escrow is that it can be paid out immediately. Communities spent decades in court with exxon over the Valdeze spill.
Also since the money is already in escrow BP can’t weasel out of paying or declare bankruptcy to avoid their obligation. It’s very hard to come up with a good reason to oppose the escrow account.

I don’t see BP kicking and screaming. In the long run this may also prove beneficial to BP’s survival. No noticeable shock in their stock price either. Down 47% from April 20th but now the shareholders are looking at a concrete plan which includes this escrow fund. If this WSJ is correct they will be paying the 20 billion out over the course of 3 1/2 years or 5.71 billion per year. I’m rather certain they’ll be able to handle that.

158 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:24:52pm

re: #153 Aceofwhat?

Mine. I thought we covered this already?

Who’s making the gin run tonight?

I’ve got some rangpur tanqueray in the freezer, but have already poured myself a manhattan. I’ve also got a bottle of Hangar One Frasier River Raspberry in the freezer for my lovely bride.

159 KingKenrod  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:25:31pm

re: #155 Aceofwhat?

It was a good deal, period, IMHO. It takes the sting off of the stupid moratorium if they do it right.

I think it is good too. But the details need to be legislated so that BP and the executive branch (Obama won’t be president forever) are held accountable.

160 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:28:12pm

re: #158 darthstar

I’ve got some rangpur tanqueray in the freezer, but have already poured myself a manhattan. I’ve also got a bottle of Hangar One Frasier River Raspberry in the freezer for my lovely bride.

Damn. Good man.

I have a glass of sangria working at the moment, but it’s just so-so…pre-made.

161 EdDantes  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:29:18pm

re: #152 OldnGrumpy

Here’s a tune that was covered by Bowie and Mott The Hoople,this is the finest rendition there is…by the original artist,Lou Reed.

Some excellent guitar work


[Video]


And no one cares anymore about the guitar.

162 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:29:39pm

re: #159 KingKenrod

I think it is good too. But the details need to be legislated so that BP and the executive branch (Obama won’t be president forever) are held accountable.

And i intend to monitor the admin costs. If they spend 5bil figuring out how to distribute 15bil, for example, it’s no good…

163 EdDantes  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:31:30pm

re: #152 OldnGrumpy

Here’s a tune that was covered by Bowie and Mott The Hoople,this is the finest rendition there is…by the original artist,Lou Reed.

BTW, I had the Lou Reed original on 8 track.

164 OldnGrumpy  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:31:48pm

re: #161 EdDantes

And no one cares anymore about the guitar.

How very nice of you,thanks.

I’m outta here

165 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:32:18pm

re: #148 darthstar

I’m withholding judgment until I’ve seen results. The guy managing the escrow fund announced today he expects to start making payments within 60 days. 60 days is still less than 20 years, according to the old math.

I’m an old fashioned conservative, not by party affiliation but on principle, it is my lifestyle and my thought process…I’ve never registered with a political party…and never will…I don’t give a damn who speaks for me, whether it’s the GOP or not, if they don’t so be it, but as the GOP hangs it’s hat on their new wave ideology bear in mind that they left me behind, I’ve not been dragged off with them and they can go wherever the hell they want…I have always found politics interesting but that’s about it…I’m not interested in regional races, I’m not interested in Beck or Rush or Palin or Fox or anyone else that sits around and talks all day about their agenda and the next he said/she said outrage…I’m interested in boots on the ground, what’s getting done or not and who’s to blame…Alex Jones is nobody to me, you can scream all day long about lunatics like him, but I tell you now there are plenty like him already in office….those are the cats I consider…I’m in the real here and now, not yesterday or tomorrow….everything else is meaningless to me

166 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:32:55pm

re: #155 Aceofwhat?

It was a good deal, period, IMHO. It takes the sting off of the stupid moratorium if they do it right.

It is a good deal. Imagine the outrage if President Obama hadn’t secured this 20 billion dollars for the Gulf states? And I can guarantee you that in August when people are being supported by this money in Louisiana, Alabama, Florida and Mississippi, that the Republicans who live there will be bragging about how much they had a hand in getting that funding for their constituents.

(as a side note, I noticed that when I typed those states, my brain said, “Louisiana”, “Alabama”, and “Florida”, but then as I typed I was thinking “M-I-S-S-I-S-S-I-P-P-I”…funny.)

167 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:34:01pm

re: #157 Gus 802

I don’t see BP kicking and screaming. In the long run this may also prove beneficial to BP’s survival. No noticeable shock in their stock price either. Down 47% from April 20th but now the shareholders are looking at a concrete plan which includes this escrow fund. If this WSJ is correct they will be paying the 20 billion out over the course of 3 1/2 years or 5.71 billion per year. I’m rather certain they’ll be able to handle that.

For perspective, $20 Billion represents less than one year’s worth of profit for BP.

168 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:34:55pm

re: #165 albusteve

Okay…thanks for the explanation. Can I put you down as a Ralph Nader supporter then? ///

Seriously, I can appreciate your being a true independent, but you do often sound as partisan as the next Republican…not that there’s anything wrong with that.

169 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:35:02pm

re: #167 goddamnedfrank

For perspective, $20 Billion represents less than one year’s worth of profit for BP.

take em to the cleaners…squeeze em like a lemon

170 Racer X  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:37:20pm

re: #140 darthstar

You forget our president is black. (no, it wasn’t said…it doesn’t have to be)

*listens for dog whistle*

Nope.

No need to throw out the race card every time you know.

171 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:37:52pm

re: #168 darthstar

Okay…thanks for the explanation. Can I put you down as a Ralph Nader supporter then? ///

Seriously, I can appreciate your being a true independent, but you do often sound as partisan as the next Republican…not that there’s anything wrong with that.

I try to be fair about who’s getting bashed…everyone deserves it sooner or later, but I will defend the statement, even Palin…not the person, and I hold all politicians of all parties in epic low regard

172 Four More Tears  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:37:53pm

Limbaugh Doubles Down On Barton’s ‘Shakedown’ Claims
LIMBAUGH: Joe Barton apologized to BP executives on behalf of himself, the American people, for the shakedown. … The United States government may as well be a branch of organized crime the way that it is being conducted and the way it’s doing business, and the way it’s looking out for itself and no one else. … Organized crime. It’s the closest thing I can think to analogize what’s happening here. And even these guys that are being shaken down, they’re paying protection money, and it isn’t enough. It isn’t enough.

Are there a lot of people who see this issue like this? Organized Crime?

173 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:38:11pm

re: #152 OldnGrumpy

Here’s a tune that was covered by Bowie and Mott The Hoople,this is the finest rendition there is…by the original artist,Lou Reed.

Some excellent guitar work


[Video]

I loves me some Lou…fucker saved my life. :)

Youtube Video
174 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:41:09pm

I am actually sitting in the bunkhouse in my underwear…got the swamp cooler raging…eating Cheetos

175 Nimed  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:41:24pm

re: #138 Killgore Trout

I think the reason for the escrow is that it can be paid out immediately. Communities spent decades in court with exxon over the Valdeze spill.
Also since the money is already in escrow BP can’t weasel out of paying or declare bankruptcy to avoid their obligation. It’s very hard to come up with a good reason to oppose the escrow account.

That’s exactly right.

It would be different if there was a real concern with due process — it’s always dangerous to break the law or establish a precedent in the name of a “good cause”. But there simply isn’t a valid concern in this case. The US government has no reason to tie its own hands in a negotiation with BP over this; governments rightly throw their weights around all the time when dealing with private institutions in matters of national interest.

176 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:41:30pm

re: #170 Racer X

*listens for dog whistle*

Nope.

No need to throw out the race card every time you know.

Of course not. But the rage against our president isn’t rational, and doesn’t warrant a rational response.

177 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:42:32pm

re: #174 albusteve

I am actually sitting in the bunkhouse in my underwear…got the swamp cooler raging…eating Cheetos

that fits perfectly…

178 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:42:55pm

re: #176 darthstar

Of course not. But the rage against our president isn’t rational, and doesn’t warrant a rational response.

a lot of it is rational, you just don’t see it

179 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:43:56pm

Anybody ever seen the movie Max Payne? It’s been on for a half-hour and I’m tired of news…is it worth watching? Sure, I missed the beginning, but it’s Marky-mark, so I’m guessing he either did a rap song or shot somebody in the few minutes I missed.

180 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:44:14pm

re: #177 Aceofwhat?

that fits perfectly…

actually they are a Cheetos spinoff…bought them at the Family Dollar super cheap

181 b_sharp  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:44:35pm

re: #170 Racer X

*listens for dog whistle*

Nope.

No need to throw out the race card every time you know.

It has become the default to at least put the card out and demand evidence it shouldn’t be played. Until there is equality of opportunity, this tactic may be necessary.

182 Four More Tears  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:44:48pm

re: #179 darthstar

Anybody ever seen the movie Max Payne? It’s been on for a half-hour and I’m tired of news…is it worth watching? Sure, I missed the beginning, but it’s Marky-mark, so I’m guessing he either did a rap song or shot somebody in the few minutes I missed.

It’s among the best movies made from video games.

No, that’s not saying much…

183 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:45:07pm

re: #180 albusteve

actually they are a Cheetos spinoff…bought them at the Family Dollar super cheap

even better.

184 KingKenrod  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:46:16pm

re: #172 JasonA

Limbaugh Doubles Down On Barton’s ‘Shakedown’ Claims
LIMBAUGH: Joe Barton apologized to BP executives on behalf of himself, the American people, for the shakedown. … The United States government may as well be a branch of organized crime the way that it is being conducted and the way it’s doing business, and the way it’s looking out for itself and no one else. … Organized crime. It’s the closest thing I can think to analogize what’s happening here. And even these guys that are being shaken down, they’re paying protection money, and it isn’t enough. It isn’t enough.

Are there a lot of people who see this issue like this? Organized Crime?

It needs congressional authorization and oversight, a legal framework…otherwise, it is only as above-board as the people running it choose to make it. That’s not how govt is supposed to work.

185 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:46:31pm

re: #179 darthstar

Anybody ever seen the movie Max Payne? It’s been on for a half-hour and I’m tired of news…is it worth watching? Sure, I missed the beginning, but it’s Marky-mark, so I’m guessing he either did a rap song or shot somebody in the few minutes I missed.

I couldn’t sit through it, and that was at home, and i sat through Hitman (another video game cover).

186 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:46:38pm

re: #178 albusteve

a lot of it is rational, you just don’t see it

Most of it is based on resentment of the change in leadership, in my opinion. President Obama is a moderate, and could be a Republican (1970s to early 80s) with a few minor changes. When people do make reasoned criticism of him, I acknowledge it…hell, I do it myself sometimes…like on Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.

187 Gus  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:46:49pm

re: #167 goddamnedfrank

For perspective, $20 Billion represents less than one year’s worth of profit for BP.

24.8 billion in 2009 before interest and tax in 2009 on exploration and production.

[Link: www.bp.com…]

Net could be around 16.6 billion according to Wiki.

188 b_sharp  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:48:11pm

re: #178 albusteve

a lot of it is rational, you just don’t see it

Some of the points may be valid, or partially valid, but the way it is being presented by people running around in someone else’s underwear, eyes closed, beer in hand yelling ‘fire’ until they eventually connect with a street sign and fall on their faces, isn’t rational.

189 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:48:22pm

re: #182 JasonA

It’s among the best movies made from video games.

No, that’s not saying much…

You mean besides the fact that it had pretty much NOTHING to do with the game itself?

190 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:48:33pm

re: #182 JasonA

It’s among the best movies made from video games.

No, that’s not saying much…

Thanks.

191 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:49:21pm

re: #184 KingKenrod

It needs congressional authorization and oversight, a legal framework…otherwise, it is only as above-board as the people running it choose to make it. That’s not how govt is supposed to work.

Let’s not put the bureaucracy before the horse. I’m not saying the Messiah hath delivered us. I’m saying that whipping up a framework with 20bil in ink is better than whipping up an empty framework.

192 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:50:30pm

re: #188 b_sharp

Some of the points may be valid, or partially valid, but the way it is being presented by people running around in someone else’s underwear, eyes closed, beer in hand yelling ‘fire’ until they eventually connect with a street sign and fall on their faces, isn’t rational.

I agree. Wearing someone else’s underwear is irrational.

193 Gus  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:50:59pm

re: #184 KingKenrod

It needs congressional authorization and oversight, a legal framework…otherwise, it is only as above-board as the people running it choose to make it. That’s not how govt is supposed to work.

BP approved it.

By the way. The same attorney that ran the WTC Victim’s Fund will also run the BP escrow fund, Kenneth Feinberg. Feinberg was picked by Republican AG John Ashcroft for the WTC fund.

194 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:52:06pm

re: #186 darthstar

Most of it is based on resentment of the change in leadership, in my opinion. President Obama is a moderate, and could be a Republican (1970s to early 80s) with a few minor changes. When people do make reasoned criticism of him, I acknowledge it…hell, I do it myself sometimes…like on Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.

The moratorium

195 Racer X  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:54:23pm

re: #174 albusteve

I am actually sitting in the bunkhouse in my underwear…got the swamp cooler raging…eating Cheetos

What a coincidence …

196 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:54:32pm

re: #194 reine.de.tout

The moratorium

Understood. That can and most likely will affect you directly. But you don’t go off the handle over the escrow fund or other aid because of the moratorium. That’s what makes you easy to talk to…you criticize where you see fault, but not everywhere without thinking.

197 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:55:18pm

re: #187 Gus 802

24.8 billion in 2009 before interest and tax in 2009 on exploration and production.

[Link: www.bp.com…]

Net could be around 16.6 billion according to Wiki.

yep. they’ll live.

unlike our coast.

198 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:55:55pm

re: #194 reine.de.tout

The moratorium

*chortle*

199 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:56:38pm

re: #172 JasonA

Limbaugh Doubles Down On Barton’s ‘Shakedown’ Claims
LIMBAUGH: Joe Barton apologized to BP executives on behalf of himself, the American people, for the shakedown. … The United States government may as well be a branch of organized crime the way that it is being conducted and the way it’s doing business, and the way it’s looking out for itself and no one else. … Organized crime. It’s the closest thing I can think to analogize what’s happening here. And even these guys that are being shaken down, they’re paying protection money, and it isn’t enough. It isn’t enough.

Are there a lot of people who see this issue like this? Organized Crime?

BP is taking its sweet time getting claims paid.

To be fair, they are not a claims paying company, and probably are not well set up to handle this sort of thing.

We needed somebody to take over this process. I’m aghast that so many R’s are against helping out people and businesses with what they’ve lost, and would prefer to try to make the administration look bad over this.

200 KingKenrod  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:57:16pm

re: #193 Gus 802

BP approved it.

By the way. The same attorney that ran the WTC Victim’s Fund will also run the BP escrow fund, Kenneth Feinberg. Feinberg was picked by Republican AG John Ashcroft for the WTC fund.

I’m sure Feinberg is a good man and I trust him. He should be the first person wanting his operating rules agreed to and written into law, since any misuse will fall on his head.

I’m sure the WTC Victim’s fund was authorized by Congress.

201 Racer X  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:58:07pm

re: #199 reine.de.tout

BP is taking its sweet time getting claims paid.

To be fair, they are not a claims paying company, and probably are not well set up to handle this sort of thing.

We needed somebody to take over this process. I’m aghast that so many R’s are against helping out people and businesses with what they’ve lost, and would prefer to try to make the administration look bad over this.

Agreed.

The GOP is becoming the Dems of old - never missing an opportunity to shoot themselves in the foot.

202 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:58:33pm

re: #196 darthstar

Understood. That can and most likely will affect you directly. But you don’t go off the handle over the escrow fund or other aid because of the moratorium. That’s what makes you easy to talk to…you criticize where you see fault, but not everywhere without thinking.

aw, thank you.

It is not possible to discuss and possibly change a person’s mind when criticism is being thrown out for the sake of throwing it out.

You must back it up with logic, facts, reasoned opinion. It’s the only way.

203 Gus  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:58:37pm

re: #200 KingKenrod

I’m sure Feinberg is a good man and I trust him. He should be the first person wanting his operating rules agreed to and written into law, since any misuse will fall on his head.

I’m sure the WTC Victim’s fund was authorized by Congress.

Yes it was approved by congress. However, that’s why I made it a point to note that BP approved of this.

BP is going to do very well with this deal.

204 KingKenrod  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:59:00pm

re: #199 reine.de.tout

BP is taking its sweet time getting claims paid.

To be fair, they are not a claims paying company, and probably are not well set up to handle this sort of thing.

We needed somebody to take over this process. I’m aghast that so many R’s are against helping out people and businesses with what they’ve lost, and would prefer to try to make the administration look bad over this.

I read today that they own their own insurance company headquartered in an off-shore haven so the books don’t have to be made public. They insure themselves.

205 Nimed  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:59:40pm

re: #184 KingKenrod

It needs congressional authorization and oversight, a legal framework…otherwise, it is only as above-board as the people running it choose to make it. That’s not how govt is supposed to work.

I don’t think that’s applicable to this case. Legally, BP can’t be forced to pay more than the stipulated liability. But there’s nothing wrong with the Executive, when dealing with BP, to say something to the effect of “don’t expect future leases of mineral rights to be going your way if you don’t deal with this to our satisfaction”. That’s what is being called a “shakedown” here, and there is no reason, legal or moral, for the government not to use its negotiating power in what’s clearly a matter of national interest.

206 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:00:35pm

re: #196 darthstar

Understood. That can and most likely will affect you directly. But you don’t go off the handle over the escrow fund or other aid because of the moratorium. That’s what makes you easy to talk to…you criticize where you see fault, but not everywhere without thinking.

Oh, and darth - this is likely to affect everyone in the country, seriously.

If we have to import more oil, that will make gas prices go up, but also every product that uses petroleum byproduct will have to be priced higher, and every product that is trucked from point A to point B will be priced higher.

It will affect everyone, to one degree or another, before it’s all over with.

207 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:01:25pm

re: #204 KingKenrod

I read today that they own their own insurance company headquartered in an off-shore haven so the books don’t have to be made public. They insure themselves.

Well, then, their own insurance company is doing a piss-poor job of paying those claims. Check the links I posted.

208 b_sharp  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:01:26pm

re: #201 Racer X

Agreed.

The GOP is becoming the Dems of old - never missing an opportunity to shoot themselves in the foot.

I’m waiting for the youtube video of them shooting themselves in the nuts.

209 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:02:09pm

re: #205 Nimed

I don’t think that’s applicable to this case. Legally, BP can’t be forced to pay more than the stipulated liability. But there’s nothing wrong with the Executive, when dealing with BP, to say something to the effect of “don’t expect future leases of mineral rights to be going your way if you don’t deal with this to our satisfaction”. That’s what is being called a “shakedown” here, and there is no reason, legal or moral, for the government not to use its negotiating power in what’s clearly a matter of national interest.

Exactly.
No one has a ‘right’ to those leases.

210 b_sharp  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:04:35pm

re: #206 reine.de.tout

Oh, and darth - this is likely to affect everyone in the country, seriously.

If we have to import more oil, that will make gas prices go up, but also every product that uses petroleum byproduct will have to be priced higher, and every product that is trucked from point A to point B will be priced higher.

It will affect everyone, to one degree or another, before it’s all over with.

reine, are your hubbie’s skills translatable to land drilling? Up here in Sask Canuckville we’ve just handed out a record number of oil leases and we’re short of workers.

211 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:06:20pm

re: #206 reine.de.tout

We still have the strategic reserve. Bush tapped into it before the 2004 elections, so there is a precedent for using it to keep gas prices down. But I think we’ve got enough sources that we’ll get through the next six months okay regardless of the moratorium.

212 Silvergirl  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:09:29pm

re: #132 Semper Fi

Couple weeks in Mendocino sounds really good. Have you checked out Gualala on the coast up there? I love that place.

Yes, I do count myself lucky. Love, love, love. Gualala. Point Arena, too, though my heart just may belong to that itty bitty town of Elk. Cuffy’s Cove.

213 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:11:01pm

re: #211 darthstar

We still have the strategic reserve. Bush tapped into it before the 2004 elections, so there is a precedent for using it to keep gas prices down. But I think we’ve got enough sources that we’ll get through the next six months okay regardless of the moratorium.

{darth}
No one seems to believe me.
If the moratorium lasts for the full six months, drilling will be dead for at least two years, possibly more.

The rigs will enter into long-term contracts with companies elsewhere, and that’s where they will be, not here.

A rig cannot be built quickly - usual time to build a rig - 8 to 10 years - so there won’t be replacement rigs popping up quickly. No rigs = no drilling, regardless of whether or not the moratorium is lifted or in place.

214 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:12:49pm

re: #210 b_sharp

reine, are your hubbie’s skills translatable to land drilling? Up here in Sask Canuckville we’ve just handed out a record number of oil leases and we’re short of workers.

Is that so?
Yes, he’s drilled land, regular Gulf wells and deepwater.

He actually is still employed; his company is keeping their most experienced folks.
If his company is chosen as the mud company for some of those leases, I expect some of their employees will end up there; maybe the Roi as well. That would be a LOT better than Brazil or Nigeria.

215 Semper Fi  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:14:21pm

re: #212 Silvergirl

Yes, I do count myself lucky. Love, love, love. Gualala. Point Arena, too, though my heart just may belong to that itty bitty town of Elk. Cuffy’s Cove.

Enjoy yourself. It’s beautiful there and Cuffy’s has a familiar look to it.

216 b_sharp  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:19:20pm

re: #214 reine.de.tout

Is that so?
Yes, he’s drilled land, regular Gulf wells and deepwater.

He actually is still employed; his company is keeping their most experienced folks.
If his company is chosen as the mud company for some of those leases, I expect some of their employees will end up there; maybe the Roi as well. That would be a LOT better than Brazil or Nigeria.

Good to hear.

When the recession hit, Alberta’s oil sand work took a dive but because we had just started a growth spurt and much of our oil is untapped our oil industry kept growing, albeit at a reduced rate. As Canada recovers from the recession demand for workers here is growing.

You might want to do a little research for Canadian jobs if it looks like the Roi will end up in Brazil. At least keep an open mind about it.

217 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:21:55pm

re: #216 b_sharp

Good to hear.

When the recession hit, Alberta’s oil sand work took a dive but because we had just started a growth spurt and much of our oil is untapped our oil industry kept growing, albeit at a reduced rate. As Canada recovers from the recession demand for workers here is growing.

You might want to do a little research for Canadian jobs if it looks like the Roi will end up in Brazil. At least keep an open mind about it.

We might do that, that actually had crossed my mind.
We also need to look at the Canadian laws for employment of “aliens” which is what the Roi would be.

BTW - I don’t know if you know anyone involved in that, but if you do and they truly would like to recruit here - the Louisiana Department of Labor has a job placement service, no charge of course, and would LOVE, I’m sure, to get job notices and be able to place folks!


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