Colorado GOP Chairman Bails: ‘Tired of the Nuts’

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The chairman of the Colorado Republican Party, Dick Wadhams, announced Monday that he’s dropping his bid for re-election because he’s “tired of the nuts who have no grasp.”

Wadhams said he had the votes to land a third term but in the past few days got to thinking, “What happens after I win?”

“I have loved being chairman, but I’m tired of the nuts who have no grasp of what the state party’s role is,” he said. …

“I have tired of those who are obsessed with seeing conspiracies around every corner and who have terribly misguided notions of what the role of the state party is while saying ‘uniting conservatives’ is all that is needed to win competitive races across the state,” Wadhams wrote.

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263 comments
1 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:01:49pm

Good for him for saying what doubtlessly needed to be said.... now of course we can sit back and watch Fox try to tear this man into pieces....

2 theheat  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:02:29pm

Obviously, a closet communist that doesn't love America enough to play ball so the GOP can restore America to the vision unrealized by our Founding Fathers™.

3 researchok  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:03:39pm

You can't fault the guy.

4 Turkey Jihad  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:04:43pm

re: #2 theheat

Obviously, a closet communist that doesn't love America enough to play ball so the GOP can restore America to the vision unrealized by our Founding Fathers™.

Who were conservatives. Beck says so.
///

5 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:05:12pm

Sadly, the Whackos are probably glad to see him go so they can get a chairmanb who will play on their team.

6 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:05:47pm

All states have a "state bird"...

Here in Colorado was have the official "State Republican Nut".

Although he could apply for national status.

7 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:07:24pm

re: #5 ggt

Sadly, the Whackos are probably glad to see him go so they can get a chairmanb who will play on their team.

Yeah, there's happydancing in the local paper's comments.

8 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:08:34pm

Gee, I wonder what kind of dirt the double-sekrit Clinton/Soros blackmail hit-squad has on him.
/

9 Turkey Jihad  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:09:21pm

Man, it's not even March, and the GOP FAIL machine is in fifth gear.

10 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:10:53pm

Image: glennbeckr.001.jpg

11 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:11:13pm

re: #8 Shiplord Kirel

Gee, I wonder what kind of dirt the double-sekrit Clinton/Soros blackmail hit-squad has on him.
/

Hmm. Maybe the ACORN-Calaphite got to him.

//

12 What, me worry?  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:12:10pm

It's a shame though, because he should stay and fight for what he believes, honestly and fairly, and help get the Right back on track. What's scary about it is when these guys jump ship. A liberal like me can't do anything about it.

13 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:12:52pm

He resigned because the ACORN-Muslim-Park 51-Islamist-Egypt-Soros-Alinsky-Calaphite-CAIR mafia forced him out! I say gud! -- Pam Geller

//

14 Kragar  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:14:08pm

and now, a dramatic re-enactment of the event...

Youtube Video
15 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:14:12pm

re: #12 marjoriemoon

It's a shame though, because he should stay and fight for what he believes, honestly and fairly, and help get the Right back on track. What's scary about it is when these guys jump ship. A liberal like me can't do anything about it.

Sometimes, you can't save a sinking ship. Best to jump and find or build a new ship from the wreckage.

16 Stanghazi  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:14:53pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Image: glennbeckr.001.jpg

OH MY GOD.

17 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:15:17pm

Well Mr. Wadhams could join the Modern Whig Party.

18 Turkey Jihad  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:15:25pm

re: #15 ggt

Sometimes, you can't save a sinking ship. Best to jump and find or build a new ship from the wreckage.

I jumped this Titanic in 2006. I must admit, I'm enjoying the view from dry land as the iceberg gets CLOSER......AND CLOSER........

19 Kragar  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:15:25pm

re: #15 ggt

Sometimes, you can't save a sinking ship. Best to jump and find or build a new ship from the wreckage.

And sometimes, you need to scuttle the boat.

20 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:17:14pm

re: #17 Ojoe

Well Mr. Wadhams could join the Modern Whig Party.

Or you know, the Democratic party, we're sane and you have a chance of winning a national election!

21 BishopX  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:17:31pm

OT: Sunset over Tahir:

[Link: yfrog.com...]

22 recusancy  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:17:39pm

re: #13 Gus 802

He resigned because the ACORN-Muslim-Park 51-Islamist-Egypt-Soros-Alinsky-Calaphite-CAIR mafia forced him out! I say gud! -- Pam Geller

//

You forgot about the new black panthers

23 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:17:56pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Image: glennbeckr.001.jpg

Who are those suppose to be pictures of, Mark Twain on the Right and Oscar Wilde on the right?

24 Stanghazi  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:18:06pm

re: #20 jamesfirecat

Or you know, the Democratic party, we're sane and you have a chance of winning a national election!

And we really do have a big tent. We never even have to use that term.

25 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:18:23pm

re: #12 marjoriemoon

It's a shame though, because he should stay and fight for what he believes, honestly and fairly, and help get the Right back on track. What's scary about it is when these guys jump ship. A liberal like me can't do anything about it.

Cut him some slack, the man is clearly exhausted. And given that this GOP crack up has been a long time coming, he's probably been fighting the crazy for a while now.

26 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:18:26pm

re: #22 recusancy

You forgot about the new black panthers

And Obama!

Eleventy.

//Now where's that bottle of vodka?

/

27 Turkey Jihad  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:18:36pm

re: #13 Gus 802

He resigned because the ACORN-Muslim-Park 51-Islamist-Egypt-Soros-Alinsky-Calaphite-CAIR mafia forced him out! I say gud! -- Pam Geller

//

INQUISITION! CALIPHATE! COMMUNITY ORGANIZERZ! BUY GOLD!
///

28 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:18:38pm

re: #22 recusancy

You forgot about the new black panthers

All 8 of them.

29 Stanghazi  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:18:39pm

re: #21 BishopX

OT: Sunset over Tahir:

[Link: yfrog.com...]

Now, THAT is what I needed.

30 brookly red  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:18:43pm

re: #20 jamesfirecat

Or you know, the Democratic party, we're sane and you have a chance of winning a national election!

congratulations on your epic sweep last November.

31 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:19:09pm

re: #28 moderatelyradicalliberal

All 8 of them.

That many?

/

32 Turkey Jihad  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:19:21pm

re: #29 Stanley Sea

Now, THAT is what I needed.

That is amazing! Thanks for the post.

33 brookly red  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:19:30pm

re: #26 Gus 802

And Obama!

Eleventy.

//Now where's that bottle of vodka?

/

in the glove compartment right where you left it...

34 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:19:32pm

re: #30 brookly red

congratulations on your epic sweep last November.

Hey I said you had a chance... never claimed it was a good chance....

35 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:19:45pm

re: #17 Ojoe

Well Mr. Wadhams could join the Modern Whig Party.

I see they're trying to get on the ballot in all states. Where is their geographic strength? CA?

36 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:19:54pm

re: #20 jamesfirecat

OK but as a history buff I have gone Whig. Lincoln's original party, etc.

Whig Vs. Democratic would be a good set up.

37 Transfromnation  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:20:05pm

Instant RINO, no doubt.

38 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:20:19pm

re: #30 brookly red

congratulations on your epic sweep last November.

Wait until 2012. He meant when there is a presidential election.

39 Kragar  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:20:29pm

re: #28 moderatelyradicalliberal

All 8 of them.

SPLITTERS!

Wait..what?

40 What, me worry?  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:21:10pm

re: #15 ggt

Sometimes, you can't save a sinking ship. Best to jump and find or build a new ship from the wreckage.

Yea, but he ain't doing that.

Democratic political strategist Laura Chapin said Wadhams fell victim to deep splits within his party that make it tough for a moderate to win a primary. The conservative then has to win the general election in a state where one-third of the electorate is unaffiliated.

What is a pity shame in this country is that you have to have money to win. And if it's not your money (most people don't have that kind of money), you have to somehow borrow it, which is tough or have people contribute. I gather the contributing part is what he thinks he can't get. So in that sense, I don't blame him. I mean, he can take a chance, but then he can wind up in the hole for quite a bit and most likely lose.

41 brookly red  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:21:35pm

re: #38 moderatelyradicalliberal

Wait until 2012. He meant when there is a presidential election.

/ do you feel lucky? well do yah?

42 Stanghazi  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:22:37pm

re: #40 marjoriemoon

Yea, but he ain't doing that.

What is a pity shame in this country is that you have to have money to win. And if it's not your money (most people don't have that kind of money), you have to somehow borrow it, which is tough or have people contribute. I gather the contributing part is what he thinks he can't get. So in that sense, I don't blame him. I mean, he can take a chance, but then he can wind up in the hole for quite a bit and most likely lose.

Or you could be Christine O'Donnell and NEVER WORK AGAIN!

43 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:22:52pm

re: #21 BishopX

OT: Sunset over Tahir:

[Link: yfrog.com...]

Very Nice!

44 What, me worry?  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:23:01pm

re: #25 moderatelyradicalliberal

Cut him some slack, the man is clearly exhausted. And given that this GOP crack up has been a long time coming, he's probably been fighting the crazy for a while now.

Oh I get it. It's just scary to think this is what we have to put up with. I'd be very happy to see the old Republicans once again at this point, even though I didn't like them much either!

45 recusancy  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:23:23pm

re: #28 moderatelyradicalliberal

All 8 of them.

This place used to be guilty of worrying about the black panthers.

46 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:23:24pm

re: #35 Decatur Deb

Here is some of the E-mail I got today from "National"

...Currently as of mid February the Whigs should have 38 active state chapters across the nation. Still we need to keep working on the other 12 states that have membership but no active state chapters. Just in the last two months we have added six new state chapters and are looking to add another two this month. If you are a member and there is no active state chapter and are interested in helping to start one up, please contact Andrew Evans at website or your regional coordinator.

The Whigs are currently looking at three candidates for 2011 and 2012. They range from city council, state house, and U.S. Congress.

The National Associations are completedwebsite and almost ready to be added to the national site. Please check out the associations and if you think you are qualified to be a moderator please contact Will Ritter at website. Once we get enough moderators to help out Will Ritter to run the forum we will launch the National Associations. Please pay attention to the video clips on the forum explaining everything about them and how to use them. These associations are how you can help participate in expanding Whig thinking, and Whig solutions to the issues America faces.

...

47 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:24:04pm

re: #41 brookly red

/ do you feel lucky? well do yah?

Intrade: Generic Dem (Obama) 60.5/39.5 against generic Repub.

48 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:24:24pm

re: #31 Gus 802

That many?

/

You're right it's probably the same two guys showing up all over the place. Besides the original BPs became Mormon Republicans. ;p

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

49 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:25:19pm

re: #41 brookly red

/ do you feel lucky? well do yah?

Thanks to the GOP field, luckier than I should. ;)

50 brookly red  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:25:42pm

Finally I get a fun thread with the hate squad off duty... and I gotta turn in early. Oh well such is life. G'night yall.

51 Stanghazi  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:26:01pm

re: #50 brookly red

Finally I get a fun thread with the hate squad off duty... and I gotta turn in early. Oh well such is life. G'night yall.

Night Brookly!

52 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:26:13pm

re: #48 moderatelyradicalliberal

You're right it's probably the same two guys showing up all over the place. Besides the original BPs became Mormon Republicans. ;p

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The one from Philly is the "Waldo" of the New Black Panthers.

53 BishopX  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:26:22pm

re: #50 brookly red

Have a good night, and good luck tomorrow.

54 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:26:26pm

A bit more whig info: from the Whig website:

The MWP is proud to announce new state chapters in Oklaoma, Oregon, Mississippi, Florida, and Arizona. These chapters have been organizing since November of 2010. The MWP is also currently working on new chapters in Ohio and Delaware as well. With the addition of the Delaware and Ohio chapters this will give the MWP 37 active state chapters out of 50 states.

For America, Andrew Evans National Chairman Modern Whig Party

55 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:26:37pm

re: #46 Ojoe

Good to try everywhere, but they should concentrate on getting someone on the board someplace.

56 brookly red  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:26:52pm

re: #51 Stanley Sea

Night Brookly!

xoxo

57 BryanS  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:27:09pm

re: #45 recusancy

This place used to be guilty of worrying about the black panthers.

That wasn't a legitimate story to cover? And the real issue wasn't really the threat of the Black Panther organization to democracy, but the treatment of this case by the justice department as something less than a legitimate case.

58 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:27:26pm

re: #44 marjoriemoon

Oh I get it. It's just scary to think this is what we have to put up with. I'd be very happy to see the old Republicans once again at this point, even though I didn't like them much either!

That's what so amazing. I thought Bush II was the worst they had to offer and now I actually miss the SOB. I didn't know they had the Palinites and the TPers. Good Lord.

59 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:27:29pm

re: #55 Decatur Deb

It'll happen.

60 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:27:54pm

re: #57 BryanS

That wasn't a legitimate story to cover? And the real issue wasn't really the threat of the Black Panther organization to democracy, but the treatment of this case by the justice department as something less than a legitimate case.

Granted it was Bush's Justice department that made that choice first and foremost wasn't it?

61 Stanghazi  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:28:05pm

re: #56 brookly red

my.night.is.made.

62 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:28:33pm

Well, when you're teabagging, the nuts are a very important part of the equation

63 darthstar  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:29:01pm

Tired of the nuts? Was he posting ads on Craigslist and getting responses from congressmen or something?

64 Stanghazi  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:29:08pm

re: #62 WindUpBird

Well, when you're teabagging, the nuts are a very important part of the equation

Winner

65 BryanS  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:29:11pm

re: #54 Ojoe

A bit more whig info: from the Whig website:

I know you've promoted them, but I get no real sense of the unifying philosophy behind Whigs--even reading their web site. Just seems like a bunch of bullet points rather than any real philosophy.

66 recusancy  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:29:24pm

re: #57 BryanS

That wasn't a legitimate story to cover? And the real issue wasn't really the threat of the Black Panther organization to democracy, but the treatment of this case by the justice department as something less than a legitimate case.

No it wasn't.

67 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:29:41pm

re: #57 BryanS

That wasn't a legitimate story to cover? And the real issue wasn't really the threat of the Black Panther organization to democracy, but the treatment of this case by the justice department as something less than a legitimate case.

That was a decision made by the Bush Justice Department. Just like TARP was done under Bush. The amnesia on the right is frightening sometimes.

68 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:29:45pm

re: #50 brookly red

Finally I get a fun thread with the hate squad off duty... and I gotta turn in early. Oh well such is life. G'night yall.

"We love you Brookly, oh yes we do.
We love you Brookly, oh yes we do.
We love you Brookly, it's true,
Oh Broo-ookly,
We love you."


10 updings for anyone who identifies that.

69 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:29:49pm

re: #45 recusancy

This place used to be guilty of worrying about the black panthers.

When the story was in the news, there was nothing wrong with covering it at LGF. But you'll notice I didn't jump on board with the attempt to blow the incident up into something more.

70 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:30:18pm

re: #65 BryanS

It is Moderation, the philosophy, and getting things done, so it's not very sexy.

71 recusancy  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:30:32pm

re: #69 Charles

When the story was in the news, there was nothing wrong with covering it at LGF. But you'll notice I didn't jump on board the attempt to blow the incident up into something more.

I'm not trying to go after or anything but...

72 BryanS  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:30:41pm

re: #60 jamesfirecat

Granted it was Bush's Justice department that made that choice first and foremost wasn't it?

To open a case, yes. To dismiss because there was "not enough evidence"? That was 100% Holder.

73 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:30:49pm

re: #58 moderatelyradicalliberal

That's what so amazing. I thought Bush II was the worst they had to offer and now I actually miss the SOB. I didn't know they had the Palinites and the TPers. Good Lord.

That was the strategy all along. Rove is a master at 3-dimensional horseshoes.

74 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:30:51pm

BBL

75 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:31:07pm

re: #68 Decatur Deb

"We love you Brookly, oh yes we do.
We love you Brookly, oh yes we do.
We love you Brookly, it's true,
Oh Broo-ookly,
We love you."

10 updings for anyone who identifies that.

Harry Potter! The 4th movie. The twins were teasing Ron about his man crush on Victor Crum.

76 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:31:13pm

re: #70 Ojoe

It is Moderation, the philosophy, and getting things done, so it's not very sexy.

And this differs from what the current democratic party stands for how?

77 recusancy  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:31:15pm

re: #70 Ojoe

It is Moderation, the philosophy, and getting things done, so it's not very sexy.

Getting what done?

78 Stanghazi  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:31:59pm

re: #72 BryanS

To open a case, yes. To dismiss because there was "not enough evidence"? That was 100% Holder.

BACKWARDS B!

79 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:32:29pm

re: #75 moderatelyradicalliberal

Harry Potter! The 4th movie. The twins were teasing Ron about his man crush on Victor Crum.

Nope--(Tuesday Weld).

80 BryanS  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:32:44pm

re: #70 Ojoe

It is Moderation, the philosophy, and getting things done, so it's not very sexy.

I don't see that message winning much. It's like a 'can't we all just get along party'. That doesn't motivate people much, I think.

81 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:32:46pm

re: #72 BryanS

To open a case, yes. To dismiss because there was "not enough evidence"? That was 100% Holder.

Can you kindly provide me with some proof of this?

83 Kragar  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:33:09pm

re: #68 Decatur Deb

"We love you Brookly, oh yes we do.
We love you Brookly, oh yes we do.
We love you Brookly, it's true,
Oh Broo-ookly,
We love you."


10 updings for anyone who identifies that.

Bye bye Birdie

84 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:33:27pm

re: #80 BryanS

Yeah that's a problem.

85 darthstar  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:33:40pm

re: #78 Stanley Sea

BACKWARDS B!

The backwards B, it now appears obvious, was a foreshadowing of the spelling skills of the Teabaggers. Hell, she probably would have found a way to carve a backwards O if she'd chosen that letter instead.

86 BryanS  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:33:50pm

re: #78 Stanley Sea

BACKWARDS B!

Possibly--honestly I didn't read much about it during the brouhaha. Where was it covered that the Bush admin dismissed the case?

87 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:33:52pm

re: #71 recusancy

I'm not trying to go after or anything but...

Well, the Panthers are pretty creepy, you have to admit that.

As for how much influence they have, not much, but any is too much.

But I was talking about the effort to smear the Obama administration with the charge that they didn't pursue prosecution - that's what I didn't jump onboard with, because it was full of shit.

88 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:33:54pm

re: #83 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bye bye Birdie

Nope--(Martin Mull)

89 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:34:17pm

OK, BBL really, dinnertime.

90 Kragar  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:34:54pm

re: #88 Decatur Deb

Nope--(Martin Mull)

I beg to differ

Youtube Video
91 Stanghazi  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:35:36pm

re: #88 Decatur Deb

Nope--(Martin Mull)

"Serial"

google fu. No idea at all.

92 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:36:09pm

re: #79 Decatur Deb

Nope--(Tuesday Weld).

Damn! A little before my time. I guess that's where the Potter movie got it from.

93 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:36:51pm

re: #91 Stanley Sea

"Serial"

google fu. No idea at all.

Yup. Greatest takedown on New Age BS.

[Link: www.google.com...]

94 BryanS  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:37:15pm

re: #76 jamesfirecat

And this differs from what the current democratic party stands for how?

The same moderation that won't even allow so called blue dog/conservative leaning dems to work within their caucus? Doesn't seem very moderate to me. I've read coverage recently that the blue dog caucus is rather angry at being shut out by their own party so much so that htey are considering supporting the Repubs' budget cutting process. I strongly suspect that is the reason for the moderation of the amount of cuts proposed by Ryan.

95 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:37:15pm

re: #64 Stanley Sea

Winner

I can never top that

96 Stanghazi  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:37:40pm

re: #93 Decatur Deb

Yup. Greatest takedown on New Age BS.

[Link: www.google.com...]

10 updings, thank you.

97 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:37:47pm

re: #91 Stanley Sea

Owe you 9, but I pay in base coinage.

98 Stanghazi  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:38:07pm

re: #95 WindUpBird

I can never top that

I just tweeted it. And I NEVER tweet, it was that good.

99 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:38:32pm

re: #94 BryanS

The same moderation that won't even allow so called blue dog/conservative leaning dems to work within their caucus? Doesn't seem very moderate to me. I've read coverage recently that the blue dog caucus is rather angry at being shut out by their own party so much so that htey are considering supporting the Repubs' budget cutting process. I strongly suspect that is the reason for the moderation of the amount of cuts proposed by Ryan.

Let me see the news story you are talking about I haven't heard any of what you're talking about (not saying its impossible just saying I haven't heard of it)

100 What, me worry?  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:38:58pm

re: #94 BryanS

The same moderation that won't even allow so called blue dog/conservative leaning dems to work within their caucus? Doesn't seem very moderate to me. I've read coverage recently that the blue dog caucus is rather angry at being shut out by their own party so much so that htey are considering supporting the Repubs' budget cutting process. I strongly suspect that is the reason for the moderation of the amount of cuts proposed by Ryan.

Well that would disappoint, but I'm not a fan of the Blue Dogs. Cut em loose, i say! What makes them liberal anyway?

101 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:39:14pm

Ahem. The character in Philly aside but...

Malik Zulu Shabazz
National Chairman of the New Black Panther Party

Controversy

Shabazz first came to widespread public attention in 1994, when Unity Nation, a student group he founded at Howard University, invited Khalid Abdul Muhammad, chairman of the New Black Panther Party, to speak. Introducing the speaker, Shabazz engaged in a call and response with the audience:

"Who is it that caught and killed Nat Turner?"
"The Jews!"
"Who is it that controls the Federal Reserve?"
"The Jews!"
"Who is it that has our entertainers... and our athletes in a vise grip?"
"The Jews!"

A year later, Shabazz told an interviewer that everything he said was true, with the possible exception of the assertion concerning Nat Turner.

The Anti-Defamation League describes Shabazz as "anti-Semitic and racist".

They were also refused entry into Canada.

102 BryanS  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:40:26pm

re: #99 jamesfirecat

Let me see the news story you are talking about I haven't heard any of what you're talking about (not saying its impossible just saying I haven't heard of it)

Let me look it up--think it was politico

103 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:41:21pm

re: #101 Gus 802

Ahem. The character in Philly aside but...

Malik Zulu Shabazz
National Chairman of the New Black Panther Party

They were also refused entry into Canada.


Indeed the New Black Panthers are assholes. Their case was handled properly.

104 recusancy  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:41:36pm

re: #94 BryanS

The same moderation that won't even allow so called blue dog/conservative leaning dems to work within their caucus? Doesn't seem very moderate to me. I've read coverage recently that the blue dog caucus is rather angry at being shut out by their own party so much so that htey are considering supporting the Repubs' budget cutting process. I strongly suspect that is the reason for the moderation of the amount of cuts proposed by Ryan.

Awww... Shuler's crying because Nancy won't return his calls.

They aren't being shut out but they aren't getting friendly treatment. That can happen when you constantly shit all over the party.

105 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:41:49pm

Hey all! How goes it tonight?

106 What, me worry?  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:41:58pm

re: #101 Gus 802

Ahem. The character in Philly aside but...

Malik Zulu Shabazz
National Chairman of the New Black Panther Party

They were also refused entry into Canada.

Catchy little tune, but it'll never make Casey's Top 40.

107 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:42:13pm

re: #101 Gus 802

Ahem. The character in Philly aside but...

Malik Zulu Shabazz
National Chairman of the New Black Panther Party

They were also refused entry into Canada.

Oh he's all kinds of hateful and crazy. You know what news channel he's on all of the time? FOX. Nobody else will give him a platform.

108 Stanghazi  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:42:51pm

re: #104 recusancy

Awww... Shuler's crying because Nancy won't return his calls.

They aren't being shut out but they aren't getting friendly treatment. That can happen when you constantly shit all over the party.

And demand bullshit abortion language in the health care bill. Please.

109 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:42:53pm

So, we could have a Blue RINO party?

Or did I miss something?

110 Michael McBacon  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:43:05pm

It goes (es geht) well, Ludwig.

111 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:43:22pm

re: #109 ggt

So, we could have a Blue RINO party?

Or did I miss something?

The Purple Party!

/

112 Stanghazi  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:43:27pm

re: #105 LudwigVanQuixote

Hey all! How goes it tonight?

Brookly & I are hooking up.

Get up off the floor Ludwig.

113 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:43:31pm

re: #105 LudwigVanQuixote

Hey all! How goes it tonight?

"Up against the wall, mofo."

114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:43:34pm

This is a good thing.

115 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:43:49pm

re: #108 Stanley Sea

And demand bullshit abortion language in the health care bill. Please.

We'd have a public option if it weren't for the Blue Dogs in the Senate, so screw them.

116 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:44:08pm

re: #114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This is a good thing.

What?

117 dragonfire1981  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:44:28pm

While it is fun to chuckle at stuff like this the fact is that more and more moderates and less than extreme conservatives are abandoning the GOP. As a result what remains is more extreme, more paranoid and more dangerous with nothing to keep it in check.

That is a very bad thing.

118 Lateralis  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:44:47pm

re: #115 moderatelyradicalliberal

Thank God for moderates!

119 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:45:09pm

re: #116 ggt

What?

This.

120 What, me worry?  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:45:21pm

re: #106 marjoriemoon

Catchy little tune, but it'll never make Casey's Top 40.

I was just thinking, isn't Casey Lebanese? So I Googled. The man is Lebanese Druze! How cool is that?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

121 recusancy  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:45:33pm

re: #87 Charles

Well, the Panthers are pretty creepy, you have to admit that.

As for how much influence they have, not much, but any is too much.

But I was talking about the effort to smear the Obama administration with the charge that they didn't pursue prosecution - that's what I didn't jump onboard with, because it was full of shit.

They are creepy but they aren't just as scary as the original ones and they haven't gained a legitimacy and their numbers are not way up.

122 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:45:46pm

re: #119 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This.

Didn't know he was in the game. What position does he play?

123 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:45:55pm

re: #115 moderatelyradicalliberal

We'd have a public option if it weren't for the Blue Dogs in the Senate, so screw them.

But if we had a public option how could the Republicans be challenging the constitutional legality of a plan they first came up with and pushed for the last decade?

124 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:46:02pm

re: #105 LudwigVanQuixote

Hey all! How goes it tonight?

I just dropped some "Hot Pockets" goop on a white shirt. That stuff is like paint.

125 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:46:21pm

I think I should write a page about how climate shifts are producing both the late snows in the North East and the droughts in China.

But before I do, I want to ask the general readers here a question.

Well actually two, and I am pretty serious. It's important for me to gauge where people are.

1. Is it possible to add heat to a system and as a direct result have something else in that system get colder?

2. Do you know from your every day life an example of this?

126 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:46:33pm

re: #124 Gus 802

I just dropped some "Hot Pockets" goop on a white shirt. That stuff is like paint.

double-plus not good.

127 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:47:06pm

re: #126 ggt

double-plus not good.

I'm soaking it with detergent.

128 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:47:16pm

re: #125 LudwigVanQuixote

I think I should write a page about how climate shifts are producing both the late snows in the North East and the droughts in China.

But before I do, I want to ask the general readers here a question.

Well actually two, and I am pretty serious. It's important for me to gauge where people are.

1. Is it possible to add heat to a system and as a direct result have something else in that system get colder?

2. Do you know from your every day life an example of this?

That sounds like science . . . .

:)

129 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:47:18pm

re: #125 LudwigVanQuixote

I think I should write a page about how climate shifts are producing both the late snows in the North East and the droughts in China.

But before I do, I want to ask the general readers here a question.

Well actually two, and I am pretty serious. It's important for me to gauge where people are.

1. Is it possible to add heat to a system and as a direct result have something else in that system get colder?

2. Do you know from your every day life an example of this?

Kelvinator gas refrigerator.

130 BryanS  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:47:35pm

re: #102 BryanS

Let me look it up--think it was politico

Here's a reference:

[Link: thehill.com...]

The Blue Dog openness to the GOP comes amid strained relations with Pelosi. On Monday, Blue Dog leader Rep. Heath Shuler (N.C.), who challenged Pelosi for the job of Democratic leader in the 112th Congress, said the coalition has been shut out by the leader’s office.

“There has really been no communication whatsoever,” Shuler told MSNBC. “We still do not have any connection between the Blue Dogs and leadership.”

131 Stanghazi  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:47:43pm

re: #124 Gus 802

I just dropped some "Hot Pockets" goop on a white shirt. That stuff is like paint.

NEVER wear white and touch anything. Esp food.

132 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:47:46pm

re: #112 Stanley Sea

Brookly & I are hooking up.

Get up off the floor Ludwig.

Wow! Mazel Tov! Your post might be the best sarcasm on the planet, but, stranger things have happened.

133 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:48:20pm

re: #123 jamesfirecat

But if we had a public option how could the Republicans be challenging the constitutional legality of a plan they first came up with and pushed for the last decade?

I don't know, but it's nice to know that the GOP doesn't really like their own ideas and are basically just reacting to whatever the Democrats like. If I didn't already know the GOP had become a mostly reactionary party, I know it now.

134 BryanS  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:48:32pm

re: #104 recusancy

Awww... Shuler's crying because Nancy won't return his calls.

They aren't being shut out but they aren't getting friendly treatment. That can happen when you constantly shit all over the party.

Geeze...you think that your comment sounds nicer than what moderate dems get from their party? Or is that the talking points memo for the left?

135 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:48:33pm

re: #129 Decatur Deb

Kelvinator gas refrigerator.

Excellent. Do others have any examples?

136 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:48:34pm

re: #127 Gus 802

I'm soaking it with detergent.

I'd suggest bleach mixed with detergent.

137 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:49:01pm

re: #123 jamesfirecat

But if we had a public option how could the Republicans be challenging the constitutional legality of a plan they first came up with and pushed for the last decade?

And that's 2 decades.

138 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:49:05pm

re: #124 Gus 802

I just dropped some "Hot Pockets" goop on a white shirt. That stuff is like paint.

"They have vegetarian hot pockets. When you don't want the nasty meat, but still want the diarrhea."

Jim Gaffigan

139 Stanghazi  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:49:21pm

re: #127 Gus 802

I'm soaking it with detergent.

scalding hot h20

140 What, me worry?  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:49:25pm

re: #132 LudwigVanQuixote

Wow! Mazel Tov! Your post might be the best sarcasm on the planet, but, stranger things have happened.

I think I'm the troublemaker. I suggested it, kinda. sorta, in a way.

And we decided that Red looks like James Carville :p

141 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:49:38pm

re: #105 LudwigVanQuixote

*smooch*
Very well, and for you Sir?

142 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:49:38pm

re: #124 Gus 802

I just dropped some "Hot Pockets" goop on a white shirt. That stuff is like paint.

Rub some tide + seltzer into it.

143 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:50:05pm

eh, the logo has already been taken.

144 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:50:22pm

re: #112 Stanley Sea

Brookly & I are hooking up.

Get up off the floor Ludwig.

SHUT UP!
For real?
LOL!

145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:50:29pm

re: #125 LudwigVanQuixote

I have no idea... but if you add heat to something, doesn't the cold have to go somewhere else?

146 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:50:47pm

re: #141 Floral Giraffe

*smooch*
Very well, and for you Sir?

Fabulous my lovely, I just had some amazing roast duck in a plum sauce a la Peking Duck and it was beautiful.

147 recusancy  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:50:52pm

re: #125 LudwigVanQuixote

I think I should write a page about how climate shifts are producing both the late snows in the North East and the droughts in China.

But before I do, I want to ask the general readers here a question.

Well actually two, and I am pretty serious. It's important for me to gauge where people are.

1. Is it possible to add heat to a system and as a direct result have something else in that system get colder?

2. Do you know from your every day life an example of this?

You might be interested in following this and subsequently this.

148 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:50:53pm

re: #138 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"They have vegetarian hot pockets. When you don't want the nasty meat, but still want the diarrhea."

Jim Gaffigan

They are rather strange tasting. Kind of like something scrubbed off the oven wall.

149 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:50:59pm

re: #142 LudwigVanQuixote

Rub some tide + seltzer into it.

Better yet, just take to the dry cleaners and let them deal with it. or, throw it out. . . .

150 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:51:31pm

re: #145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have no idea... but if you add heat to something, doesn't the cold have to go somewhere else?

No, I think the cold molecules just have to speed up.

:0

151 Kragar  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:51:32pm

re: #125 LudwigVanQuixote

I think I should write a page about how climate shifts are producing both the late snows in the North East and the droughts in China.

But before I do, I want to ask the general readers here a question.

Well actually two, and I am pretty serious. It's important for me to gauge where people are.

1. Is it possible to add heat to a system and as a direct result have something else in that system get colder?

2. Do you know from your every day life an example of this?

A refrigerator.

152 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:51:37pm

re: #130 BryanS

Here's a reference:

[Link: thehill.com...]

This story reads primarily to me about how there are Blue Dogs who want to vote with the Republicans, which is just showing what a wide spectrum of people get elected as Democrats... I really don't see the part you talked about where the Blue Dogs were "done wrong" can you find me the correct part?

153 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:51:40pm

re: #124 Gus 802

Spray n Wash.
Let it soak until you see the stain start to dissolve.

154 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:52:04pm

re: #145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have no idea... but if you add heat to something, doesn't the cold have to go somewhere else?

Great response! I'm going to collect a few and get back to you on that. It's more like you can use energy to pump heat from one area to another.

155 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:52:05pm

re: #144 Floral Giraffe

SHUT UP!
For real?
LOL!

Err.."Hooking up", as in Capt Hook and Peter Pan.

156 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:52:11pm

re: #146 LudwigVanQuixote

Fabulous my lovely, I just had some amazing roast duck in a plum sauce a la Peking Duck and it was beautiful.

A friend made some jalapeno salsa from her family recipe. I just had a good helping of that!

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

157 BryanS  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:52:22pm

re: #125 LudwigVanQuixote

I think I should write a page about how climate shifts are producing both the late snows in the North East and the droughts in China.

But before I do, I want to ask the general readers here a question.

Well actually two, and I am pretty serious. It's important for me to gauge where people are.

1. Is it possible to add heat to a system and as a direct result have something else in that system get colder?

2. Do you know from your every day life an example of this?

Yeah...it's called a refrigerator. Run any engine backwards, and that's what you get.

158 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:52:42pm

Thanks for the suggestions folks. I'll just let it soak in hot water and detergent. That is whatever I have around here.

159 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:53:23pm

re: #147 recusancy

You might be interested in following this and subsequently this.

Brilliant! Seriously buddy, help me out and take a stab at the questions.

160 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:53:38pm

re: #157 BryanS

Yeah...it's called a refrigerator. Run any engine backwards, and that's what you get.

Bingo.

161 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:53:39pm

re: #148 Gus 802

They are rather strange tasting. Kind of like something scrubbed off the oven wall.

Hooot pocket...

162 recusancy  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:53:45pm

re: #145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have no idea... but if you add heat to something, doesn't the cold have to go somewhere else?

Cold isn't a thing. Cold is just a place that has relatively less heat energy then another place. And energy cannot be created or destroyed.

163 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:54:16pm

Night Lizards. May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you.

To my Wife. Who I know watches this place.

Bed of Roses.

I Love you.

164 simoom  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:54:17pm

BBC & NYT Egypt news summaries for the day:

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

...
Mr Gibbs said: "The government has not taken the necessary steps that the people of Egypt need to see. That's why more and more people come out to register their grievances.

"If there's some notion on the government side that you can put the genie back in this bottle, I think that's gone a long time ago."

He added that the US was reviewing its aid programme to Egypt, and the government's restraint and reform would determine "what that aid will look like".

His remarks follow Tuesday's call by US Vice-President Joe Biden for the Egyptian government to lift its longstanding state of emergency, and to stop harassing journalists and activists.
...
Late on Tuesday night, Vice President Omar Suleiman said the crisis must end, adding: "We don't want to deal with Egyptian society with police tools."

He warned that if dialogue with the protesters failed, the alternative was "that a coup happens, which would mean uncalculated and hasty steps, including lots of irrationalities".


[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

...
The country’s foreign minister, Ahmed Aboul Gheit, dismissed calls by Egyptian protesters and the Vice President Joe Biden to scrap the country’s emergency laws, which allow the authorities to detain people without charge.

“We have 17,000 prisoners loose in the streets out of jails that have been destroyed,” Mr. Aboul Gheit said. “How can you ask me to sort of disband that emergency law while I’m in that difficulty?”

165 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:54:55pm

re: #151 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A refrigerator.

Excellent as well.

166 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:55:15pm

re: #162 recusancy

Cold isn't a thing. Cold is just a place that has relatively less heat energy then another place. And energy cannot be created or destroyed.

I know, I just was fiddling with ideas . . . .

:)

167 BishopX  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:55:24pm

re: #160 LudwigVanQuixote

You can also check out heat pumps. They're getting kinda popular with the green home crowd.

168 recusancy  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:55:40pm

re: #159 LudwigVanQuixote

Brilliant! Seriously buddy, help me out and take a stab at the questions.

I would have to google to come up with something. I would say yes to the first question but can't come up with a solid answer for the second. A primer on that would be very helpful.

169 simoom  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:55:49pm

re: #164 simoom

Oops, that NYT link is the same on Charles posted earlier :P. Ignore that one.

170 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:55:52pm

re: #161 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hooot pocket...

Funny! I'm not drunk nor living in a trailer. ;)

171 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:55:59pm

re: #162 recusancy

re: #150 ggt

Glad I prefaced that with "I have no idea..."

172 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:57:02pm

Excellent responses and thank you.

Follow up question.

Since we know from everyday life that things like refrigerators and air conditioning take energy to pump heat, do you think it is possible that energy from the sun could shift currents in such a way that certain areas of the Earth get unseasonably colder or wetter?

173 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:57:09pm

re: #171 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #150 ggt

Glad I prefaced that with "I have no idea..."

I thought my emoticon would substitute for a sarc tag . . .

174 Jadespring  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:57:42pm

An air conditioner.

Geo-thermal heat pump.

175 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:58:14pm

re: #168 recusancy

I would have to google to come up with something. I would say yes to the first question but can't come up with a solid answer for the second. A primer on that would be very helpful.

Check out some of the other answers here. As a bonus my friend, because I want people to see this is not so abstract, check out the back of your refrigerator and tell me if it is cold or hot back there.

In fact, could you do that now for me - seriously.

176 Kragar  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:58:19pm

Saw a good article about GW in a national geographic on global warming, breaks it down very simply

The Carbon Bathtub

It’s simple, really: As long as we pour CO2; into the atmosphere faster than nature drains it out, the planet warms. And that extra carbon takes a long time to drain out of the tub.

A fundamental human flaw, says John Sterman, impedes action on global warming. Sterman is not talking about greed, selfishness, or some other vice. He’s talking about a cognitive limitation, “an important and pervasive problem in human reasoning” that he has documented by testing graduate students at the MIT Sloan School of Management. Sterman teaches system dynamics, and he says his students, though very bright and schooled in calculus, lack an intuitive grasp of a simple, crucial system: a bathtub.

In particular, a tub with the tap running and the drain open. The water level can stand for many quantities in the modern world. The level of carbon dioxide in Earth’s atmosphere is one. A person’s waistline or credit card debt—both of which have also become spreading problems of late—are two more. In all three cases, the level in the tub falls only when the drain runs faster than the tap—when you burn more calories than you eat, for instance, or pay off old charges faster than you incur new ones.

177 BryanS  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:58:45pm

re: #152 jamesfirecat

This story reads primarily to me about how there are Blue Dogs who want to vote with the Republicans, which is just showing what a wide spectrum of people get elected as Democrats... I really don't see the part you talked about where the Blue Dogs were "done wrong" can you find me the correct part?

I suppose you could take it that way, but they do seem to feel shut out of the process within the caucus. Do you think all the Dems in the south bolting their party to join the Repubs mean that the Repubs in the south are more moderate? Is Sarah Palin's support of allowing gay Repub groups participate in CPAC a sign of social moderation even among one of the fringier players of the party? How about Krauthammer, Lowry, and Kristol slapping down Beck recently? If there are signs of dissent on the right over the fringiness, I think that's a good sign.

178 recusancy  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:58:48pm

re: #172 LudwigVanQuixote

Excellent responses and thank you.

Follow up question.

Since we know from everyday life that things like refrigerators and air conditioning take energy to pump heat, do you think it is possible that energy from the sun could shift currents in such a way that certain areas of the Earth get unseasonably colder or wetter?

Ahhh.. Yes. The heating of the gulf slows the gulf stream which brings heat to western europe. Therefore western europe will get colder as the gulf gets hotter.

179 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:59:23pm

re: #162 recusancy

Cold isn't a thing. Cold is just a place that has relatively less heat energy then another place. And energy cannot be created or destroyed.

Great comment! That is why we talk about heat pumps and heat engines. Heat is absolutely a form of energy.

180 Kragar  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:59:27pm

re: #165 LudwigVanQuixote

Excellent as well.

Heat sink

181 recusancy  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:00:42pm

re: #175 LudwigVanQuixote

Check out some of the other answers here. As a bonus my friend, because I want people to see this is not so abstract, check out the back of your refrigerator and tell me if it is cold or hot back there.

In fact, could you do that now for me - seriously.

Actually I saw this a while back so I am aware of how refrigeration works. I was just trying to think of something less obvious.

182 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:01:02pm

re: #175 LudwigVanQuixote

It's very dusty back there.

183 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:01:05pm

re: #176 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Saw a good article about GW in a national geographic on global warming, breaks it down very simply

The Carbon Bathtub

Well here is your answer to that...

...testing graduate students at the MIT Sloan School of Management...

In science 2+2 ALWAYS = 4

Not so much for financial types.

184 Blizard  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:01:15pm

Hi from Colorado!

/crawls back into snow cave

185 Jadespring  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:01:34pm

re: #172 LudwigVanQuixote

Excellent responses and thank you.

Follow up question.

Since we know from everyday life that things like refrigerators and air conditioning take energy to pump heat, do you think it is possible that energy from the sun could shift currents in such a way that certain areas of the Earth get unseasonably colder or wetter?

Yes. I don't think it is possible though. I know it is.

186 BryanS  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:01:37pm

re: #172 LudwigVanQuixote

Excellent responses and thank you.

Follow up question.

Since we know from everyday life that things like refrigerators and air conditioning take energy to pump heat, do you think it is possible that energy from the sun could shift currents in such a way that certain areas of the Earth get unseasonably colder or wetter?

Sure...water evaporates at the equator from extra heat, travels to northern latitudes where it condenses and absorbs heat. Voila, a refridgerater :)

187 Kragar  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:02:07pm

re: #183 LudwigVanQuixote

Well here is your answer to that...


In science 2+2 ALWAYS = 4

Not so much for financial types.

Well, if you file form 902a, you can get a deduction and compound your savings...

188 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:02:15pm

re: #177 BryanS

I suppose you could take it that way, but they do seem to feel shut out of the process within the caucus. Do you think all the Dems in the south bolting their party to join the Repubs mean that the Repubs in the south are more moderate? Is Sarah Palin's support of allowing gay Repub groups participate in CPAC a sign of social moderation even among one of the fringier players of the party? How about Krauthammer, Lowry, and Kristol slapping down Beck recently? If there are signs of dissent on the right over the fringiness, I think that's a good sign.

I will not disagree with you over the fact that some people within the right standing up to Beck even it is nearly always wrong Kristol.

However... I fail to see what you mean by "all the Dems in the south bolting to join the Repubs" once again more links please?

Also, I fail to see how you can argue the fact that some in the GOP are up for at least letting gays speak, this is a sign of a real and genuine moderation within the GOP.

Does Sarah Support legal civil unions the way Obama does?

189 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:02:56pm

re: #183 LudwigVanQuixote

Well here is your answer to that...

In science 2+2 ALWAYS = 4

Not so much for financial types.

don't forget about the magic of compound interest!

190 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:03:07pm

re: #185 Jadespring

Yes. I don't think it is possible though. I know it is.

Big hug for that response. And to all of the other Lizards who answered me.

You guys are the best.

OK now I feel I can write up a page about how currents shifting, due to AGW are the cause of both the unseasonably cold and wet NE US and the droughts in China.

191 BryanS  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:03:23pm

re: #182 Floral Giraffe

It's very dusty back there.

Clean it off...will make your refrigerator more efficient--really.

192 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:04:45pm

re: #191 BryanS

Yes, I was just being silly.
It gets cleaned monthly.

193 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:05:15pm

re: #178 recusancy

Ahhh.. Yes. The heating of the gulf slows the gulf stream which brings heat to western europe. Therefore western europe will get colder as the gulf gets hotter.

Not exactly. As Greenland and parts of Canada melt, it dumps huge amounts of fresh water onto an Atlantic stream that depends on salinity to circulate.

194 recusancy  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:07:06pm

re: #193 LudwigVanQuixote

Not exactly. As Greenland and parts of Canada melt, it dumps huge amounts of fresh water onto an Atlantic stream that depends on salinity to circulate.

Ahh... Yes. That.

195 Jadespring  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:07:29pm

Oh I thought of another example. I don't have one but a neighbor does. A solar chimney. The sun hits it that causes the air to heat and rise which causes a current in the house which pulls cooler up from the basement and cools the house. Same principles as work. The 'heat' causes the current to start cycling.

196 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:08:00pm

re: #194 recusancy

Ahh... Yes. That.

Hey, no shame at all. You are honestly thinking about it. That puts you ahead of 90% of America.

197 BryanS  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:08:28pm

re: #188 jamesfirecat

I will not disagree with you over the fact that some people within the right standing up to Beck even it is nearly always wrong Kristol.

However... I fail to see what you mean by "all the Dems in the south bolting to join the Repubs" once again more links please?

Also, I fail to see how you can argue the fact that some in the GOP are up for at least letting gays speak, this is a sign of a real and genuine moderation within the GOP.

Does Sarah Support legal civil unions the way Obama does?


Link relating to the "dems bolting the party in the south" from the la times.
Conservative Democrats switch to GOP across the Deep South


Regarding the last two statements, I was intending to say this is a real sign of moderation within the GOP on social issues anyway. Is Sarah Palin far away from Obama's civil unions positions? I kinda thought they both opposed them--or was it just that Obama opposed 'marriage'?

198 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:08:54pm

re: #195 Jadespring

Oh I thought of another example. I don't have one but a neighbor does. A solar chimney. The sun hits it that causes the air to heat and rise which causes a current in the house which pulls cooler up from the basement and cools the house. Same principles as work. The 'heat' causes the current to start cycling.

Excellent example! It is also in many ways close to what is happening with the thermo haline conveyor.

199 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:09:12pm

re: #181 recusancy

Actually I saw this a while back so I am aware of how refrigeration works. I was just trying to think of something less obvious.

Ha--a theoretician. I built 1,200,000 refrigerators while working my way through Uof L.

200 recusancy  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:10:30pm

re: #199 Decatur Deb

Ha--a theoretician. I built 1,200,000 refrigerators while working my way through Uof L.

That's a great doc. They go through the whole history of scientists trying to reach absolute zero.

201 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:10:40pm

re: #199 Decatur Deb

Ha--a theoretician. I built 1,200,000 refrigerators while working my way through Uof L.

That's a lot of refrigerators!

202 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:10:45pm

re: #190 LudwigVanQuixote

I am fascinated by the currents of the earths seas.
California is basically a desert, except for the El Nino years.
The shift in the temperature of the oceans has a major affect on the climate.
I don't know if the rainfall increases, or just shifts, but it's amazing.

203 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:11:23pm

re: #200 recusancy

That's a great doc. They go through the whole history of scientists trying to reach absolute zero.

Have they checked an IRS agent's heart?

204 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:12:39pm

re: #133 moderatelyradicalliberal

I don't know, but it's nice to know that the GOP doesn't really like their own ideas and are basically just reacting to whatever the Democrats like. If I didn't already know the GOP had become a mostly reactionary party, I know it now.

I remember when the loudest voices about AGW were Thatcher and Reagan...

Did you know that cap and trade was a Reagan initiative?

And that Sarah Plain and John McCain ran on it?

Really!

The GOP assumes the average American has the memory of a goldfish.

205 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:13:41pm

re: #199 Decatur Deb

Ha--a theoretician. I built 1,200,000 refrigerators while working my way through Uof L.

I am trying to form a pun with freon in it, but failing.

206 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:13:43pm

re: #197 BryanS

Link relating to the "dems bolting the party in the south" from the la times.
Conservative Democrats switch to GOP across the Deep South

Regarding the last two statements, I was intending to say this is a real sign of moderation within the GOP on social issues anyway. Is Sarah Palin far away from Obama's civil unions positions? I kinda thought they both opposed them--or was it just that Obama opposed 'marriage'?

I live in the South and that sounds like a bunch of unprincipled people switching sides to stay in office. Not because Democrats are being mean to them.

And let's face it, the South has never been a progressive segment of the country. It's been dragged kicking and screaming into every major social and economic change over the last 150 years.

When Democrats start jumping ship in the Northeast, West, Midwest and Southwest, I will get alarmed.

207 recusancy  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:13:54pm

re: #204 LudwigVanQuixote

I remember when the loudest voices about AGW were Thatcher and Reagan...

Did you know that cap and trade was a Reagan initiative?

And that Sarah Plain and John McCain ran on it?

Really!

The GOP assumes the average American has the memory of a goldfish.

The librul media definitely does.

208 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:14:12pm

re: #202 Floral Giraffe

I am fascinated by the currents of the earths seas.
California is basically a desert, except for the El Nino years.
The shift in the temperature of the oceans has a major affect on the climate.
I don't know if the rainfall increases, or just shifts, but it's amazing.

Well the Pacific oscillations are not as well understood as we would like.

209 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:14:15pm

re: #201 ggt

That's a lot of refrigerators!

It was only one of 3 assembly lines in our building. They came together like a river pouring on to the warehouse conveyor. When they stopped, you would feel as though your body jumped upline.

210 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:14:24pm

re: #205 LudwigVanQuixote

I am trying to form a pun with freon in it, but failing.

All I got is FreeBird and a lighter. . .

211 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:14:28pm

re: #197 BryanS

Link relating to the "dems bolting the party in the south" from the la times.
Conservative Democrats switch to GOP across the Deep South

Regarding the last two statements, I was intending to say this is a real sign of moderation within the GOP on social issues anyway. Is Sarah Palin far away from Obama's civil unions positions? I kinda thought they both opposed them--or was it just that Obama opposed 'marriage'?

In regards to your first story... honestly this is cause and effect that we can argue over forever, did they change because the GOP is more moderate over all, or because their base in the south is becoming more radical and conservative and thus they feel they have no chance to win as Democrats?

I don't know, and I don't honestly think that you can say you know for sure either, do you?

Obama only opposes Marriage but is a supporter of strong civil unions.

Meanwhile

"In October, the Alaska Supreme Court ruled the state couldn't deny spousal benefits to the same-sex partners of public employees. That means that while Alaska has banned gay marriage, it can't withhold, say, health insurance from a state employee's gay partner.

... Elected officials can't defy the court when it comes to how rights are applied, she said, but she would support a ballot question that would deny benefits to homosexual couples.

"I believe that honoring the family structure is that important," Palin said. She said she doesn't know if people choose to be gay. "

Unless Sarah has walked that back, she obviously opposes civil unions...

That's a pretty big difference my friend.

212 BryanS  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:14:39pm

re: #204 LudwigVanQuixote

I remember when the loudest voices about AGW were Thatcher and Reagan...

Did you know that cap and trade was a Reagan initiative?

And that Sarah Plain and John McCain ran on it?

Really!

The GOP assumes the average American has the memory of a goldfish.

Sad, but true. They do. Well, maybe not all of us, but most of the press are pea brained anyway.

213 sagehen  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:14:45pm

re: #121 recusancy

They are creepy but they aren't just as scary as the original ones and they haven't gained a legitimacy and their numbers are not way up.

The original Black Panthers were so scary conservatives rushed to enact gun control legislation at both the state and federal level.

Odd how the sanctity of constitutional rights depends entirely on who's exercising those particular rights at that particular moment...

214 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:15:20pm

re: #197 BryanS

Link relating to the "dems bolting the party in the south" from the la times.
Conservative Democrats switch to GOP across the Deep South

Regarding the last two statements, I was intending to say this is a real sign of moderation within the GOP on social issues anyway. Is Sarah Palin far away from Obama's civil unions positions? I kinda thought they both opposed them--or was it just that Obama opposed 'marriage'?

And here is where Obama stands for comparison...

"At a televised forum focusing on gay rights, the Illinois senator was asked to explain how civil unions for same-sex couples could be the equivalent of marriage. He said, "As I've proposed it, it wouldn't be a lesser thing, from my perspective.

"Semantics may be important to some. From my perspective, what I'm interested (in) is making sure that those legal rights are available to people," he said.

"If we have a situation in which civil unions are fully enforced, are widely recognized, people have civil rights under the law, then my sense is that's enormous progress," the Illinois Democrat said.

Obama belongs to the United Church of Christ, which supports gay marriage, but Obama has yet to go that far."

215 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:15:21pm

re: #204 LudwigVanQuixote

I remember when the loudest voices about AGW were Thatcher and Reagan...

Did you know that cap and trade was a Reagan initiative?

And that Sarah Plain and John McCain ran on it?

Really!

The GOP assumes the average American has the memory of a goldfish.

They just won a landslide election because people do. Or at least they do when unemployment is at nearly 10%

216 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:15:23pm

re: #205 LudwigVanQuixote

Pretend it's "freon falling".

Youtube Video
217 freetoken  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:15:46pm

re: #125 LudwigVanQuixote

I think I should write a page about how climate shifts are producing both the late snows in the North East and the droughts in China.

I'm not clear on what you meant my "late":
1) the first snow of the season was later in the calendar year than usual? Or,
2) The snow that fell last week, being late in the season? (In which case, being Feb, it wouldn't be "late" but right on time.)

218 sagehen  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:16:02pm

re: #125 LudwigVanQuixote

I think I should write a page about how climate shifts are producing both the late snows in the North East and the droughts in China.

But before I do, I want to ask the general readers here a question.

Well actually two, and I am pretty serious. It's important for me to gauge where people are.

1. Is it possible to add heat to a system and as a direct result have something else in that system get colder?

2. Do you know from your every day life an example of this?


Like when I crank the water heater to do laundry, and the shower gets colder?

219 Kragar  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:16:21pm

re: #205 LudwigVanQuixote

I am trying to form a pun with freon in it, but failing.

The days of pun threads argon.

220 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:16:40pm

re: #205 LudwigVanQuixote

I am trying to form a pun with freon in it, but failing.

Joachim called his GE supervisor a halogenated cabron.

221 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:16:43pm

re: #212 BryanS

Sad, but true. They do. Well, maybe not all of us, but most of the press are pea brained anyway.

Sadly, IMHO, many in the press are rather intelligent. They produce a product and the bean-counters want a profit. Journalists have to produce what they will be paid to produce.

222 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:16:57pm

re: #217 freetoken

I'm not clear on what you meant my "late":
1) the first snow of the season was later in the calendar year than usual? Or,
2) The snow that fell last week, being late in the season? (In which case, being Feb, it wouldn't be "late" but right on time.)

or 3) late as in of late, it is currently snowing here more than usual.

223 Kragar  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:17:16pm

re: #219 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The days of pun threads argon.

And if anyone says differently, I'll barium.

224 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:17:50pm

re: #219 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The days of pun threads argon.

I don't know there is something noble about puns like that.

225 BryanS  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:18:53pm

re: #206 moderatelyradicalliberal

I live in the South and that sounds like a bunch of unprincipled people switching sides to stay in office. Not because Democrats are being mean to them.

And let's face it, the South has never been a progressive segment of the country. It's been dragged kicking and screaming into every major social and economic change over the last 150 years.

When Democrats start jumping ship in the Northeast, West, Midwest and Southwest, I will get alarmed.

Funny thing you say that. In Wisconsin, the outgoing Dem leader, Russ Decker, was unceremonioulsy hoisted by his petard and removed from his post by his caucus at the end of the session for daring to vote against state union contracts finished by Dem governor Doyle one week before the end of the year. Oh, and the spokesperson for the state unions went out to the press and gave his one sentence press interview of "Russ Decker is a hoar". That sure made a lot of moderate Dems feel warm and fuzzy about being Dems here.

226 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:19:02pm

re: #221 ggt

Sadly, IMHO, many in the press are rather intelligent. They produce a product and the bean-counters want a profit. Journalists have to produce what they will be paid to produce.

Well those are the management. I get the strong impression that the typical press person is pretty damned average - which is average for America - which means stupid.

227 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:19:27pm

re: #220 Decatur Deb

Joachim called his GE supervisor a halogenated cabron.

LOL brilliant!

228 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:19:52pm

re: #224 LudwigVanQuixote

I don't know there is something noble about puns like that.

Hello, Ludwig! How are you?

229 freetoken  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:20:09pm

re: #222 LudwigVanQuixote

Ok

I keep trying to convince people that AGW implies increased precipitation at higher latitudes, and snow is precipitation.

230 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:20:24pm

re: #228 Dark_Falcon

Hello, Ludwig! How are you?

Fabulous! And you buddy?

231 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:21:16pm

re: #223 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You're killing me, again!

232 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:21:21pm

re: #229 freetoken

Ok

I keep trying to convince people that AGW implies increased precipitation at higher latitudes, and snow is precipitation.

True on both counts and I know it gets gruesome trying to use five syllable words with some folks.

233 BryanS  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:21:41pm

re: #211 jamesfirecat

...
"I believe that honoring the family structure is that important," Palin said. She said she doesn't know if people choose to be gay. "

Unless Sarah has walked that back, she obviously opposes civil unions...

That's a pretty big difference my friend.

That is a big difference. It is a good sign still to see some Repubs walk back the hate some, even if they oppose even civil unions. But I think attitudes on that are (very slowly) changing as well.

234 Jadespring  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:22:00pm

re: #229 freetoken

Ok

I keep trying to convince people that AGW implies increased precipitation at higher latitudes, and snow is precipitation.

Sorta related...

One of a hundred stupid questions I got while working at a ski hill....

So when the snow melts in the spring where does all the white go?

235 sagehen  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:22:15pm

re: #204 LudwigVanQuixote

The GOP assumes the average American has the memory of a goldfish.


A fair assumption, actually.

236 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:22:53pm

re: #234 Jadespring

Down river?
LOL!

237 Kragar  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:23:42pm

re: #231 Floral Giraffe

You're killing me, again!

Sorry, if I wasn't picking stuff off the floride have posted more.

238 BryanS  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:24:28pm

re: #221 ggt

Sadly, IMHO, many in the press are rather intelligent. They produce a product and the bean-counters want a profit. Journalists have to produce what they will be paid to produce.

I suppose. It is sad that all Brittany and all Jacko (or whoever becomes the next celebri-disaster) all the time is what passes for news.

239 freetoken  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:24:38pm

re: #232 LudwigVanQuixote

Well, yes, some folk are no doubt stumped by the definition of "precipitation".

I just think it is really hard to convince people of something that doesn't directly correspond to what one of their 5 senses are telling them at the time. I know so, I've tried.

240 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:25:08pm

re: #200 recusancy

That's a great doc. They go through the whole history of scientists trying to reach absolute zero.

Deep in the Scientific American "Amateur Scientist" archive is a how-to on turning a pile of junk refrigerators into a multi-stage chiller for cyrogenics.

241 Jadespring  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:25:26pm

re: #236 Floral Giraffe

Down river?
LOL!

We started coming up with equally stupid answers to these types of questions.

So if you ever meet someone who thinks that ski hills have special drain systems and large storage tanks that store 'the white' so it can be used again next winter....

Blame me.

242 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:25:48pm

re: #225 BryanS

Funny thing you say that. In Wisconsin, the outgoing Dem leader, Russ Decker, was unceremonioulsy hoisted by his petard and removed from his post by his caucus at the end of the session for daring to vote against state union contracts finished by Dem governor Doyle one week before the end of the year. Oh, and the spokesperson for the state unions went out to the press and gave his one sentence press interview of "Russ Decker is a hoar". That sure made a lot of moderate Dems feel warm and fuzzy about being Dems here.

I thought we were talking about elected Democrats and that's not evidence of rank and file democratic voters jumping ship. Do you have any evidence that moderate Republicans are not feeling warm and fuzzy about the radical anti-abortion bills the GOP is trying to pass all over the country? If you want to have a debate about a lack of moderation, I don't think you'd win. The magical balance fairy is not dancing to this tune. The Democrats have and have had way more ideological diversity than the GOP for quite sometime. Last time I checked, there is no Blue Dog equivalent on the right. And virtually every GOP contender for President is bowing to the TPers and the SoCons.

243 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:25:56pm

re: #228 Dark_Falcon

Thanks for your help & support last night.

244 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:26:48pm

re: #230 LudwigVanQuixote

Fabulous! And you buddy?

Better. I got my first sale of my current event today, and I've only been pitching it a week. So far, so good.

245 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:28:24pm

re: #243 Floral Giraffe

Thanks for your help & support last night.

It was my pleasure.

246 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:28:53pm

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

It was my pleasure.

Having a good day, I see!

Awesome!

247 Jadespring  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:30:19pm

re: #239 freetoken

Well, yes, some folk are no doubt stumped by the definition of "precipitation".

I just think it is really hard to convince people of something that doesn't directly correspond to what one of their 5 senses are telling them at the time. I know so, I've tried.

Here's a fun one to try to explain. A temperature inversion.

Me on numerous occasion: Yes I know, I know it doesn't make sense to you that it warmer at the top of the mountain then it is down here but I am NOT lying to you. Just frigging go up the chair lifts and you will see it for yourself.

248 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:30:49pm

re: #241 Jadespring

LOL!

249 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:31:35pm

re: #239 freetoken

Well, yes, some folk are no doubt stumped by the definition of "precipitation".

I just think it is really hard to convince people of something that doesn't directly correspond to what one of their 5 senses are telling them at the time. I know so, I've tried.

That's why I had this little exercise with the refrigeration question just now.

250 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:32:06pm

re: #244 Dark_Falcon

Better. I got my first sale of my current event today, and I've only been pitching it a week. So far, so good.

Grats!

251 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:32:24pm

re: #235 sagehen

A fair assumption, actually.

sadly.

252 BryanS  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:32:39pm

re: #242 moderatelyradicalliberal

I thought we were talking about elected Democrats and that's not evidence of rank and file democratic voters jumping ship. Do you have any evidence that moderate Republicans are not feeling warm and fuzzy about the radical anti-abortion bills the GOP is trying to pass all over the country? If you want to have a debate about a lack of moderation, I don't think you'd win. The magical balance fairy is not dancing to this tune. The Democrats have and have had way more ideological diversity than the GOP for quite sometime. Last time I checked, there is no Blue Dog equivalent on the right. And virtually every GOP contender for President is bowing to the TPers and the SoCons.

Explain then why there is the largest contingency in modern history of Repubs in state office, the governorship, and large majorities in both houses of state government in a formerly progressive state like Wisconsin. I was asked about the midwest, and used my own state as an example. And it wasn't just any state level that was trashed and removed from his post for daring to vote with his constituents--it was the friggen leader of the party in the state house.

253 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:32:40pm

re: #241 Jadespring

It's like giving directions, when you live in a tourist town.
Send them AWAY, anywhere, just make it up.

254 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:34:51pm

re: #237 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ah, after all that work in the wee hours, my kid told me his team decided that the Circus Maximus would cost too much and they are going to do the Temple of Vesta!

255 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:35:29pm

re: #238 BryanS

I suppose. It is sad that all Brittany and all Jacko (or whoever becomes the next celebri-disaster) all the time is what passes for news.

That is what sells.

I see it as the soma tablet of the modern world.

256 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:35:32pm

re: #233 BryanS

That is a big difference. It is a good sign still to see some Repubs walk back the hate some, even if they oppose even civil unions. But I think attitudes on that are (very slowly) changing as well.

Or course they are changing... I'm just saying that they're going to need to change a lot more before I think about voting GOP...

257 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:37:13pm

re: #41 brookly red

/ do you feel lucky? well do yah?

Very lucky.

258 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:37:42pm

re: #254 ggt

Ah, after all that work in the wee hours, my kid told me his team decided that the Circus Maximus would cost too much and they are going to do the Temple of Vesta!

So you'll be burning the midnight oil.

259 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:42:57pm

re: #258 Decatur Deb

So you'll be burning the midnight oil.

I'll expect tomorrow to hear they changed it to something else.

260 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 6:44:48pm

re: #252 BryanS

Explain then why there is the largest contingency in modern history of Repubs in state office, the governorship, and large majorities in both houses of state government in a formerly progressive state like Wisconsin. I was asked about the midwest, and used my own state as an example. And it wasn't just any state level that was trashed and removed from his post for daring to vote with his constituents--it was the friggen leader of the party in the state house.

Let's see 10% unemployment, a very effective right wing noise machine and lack of enthusiasm from Democratic voters in comparison to GOP voters. There have been studies done showing that the voters in the last midterm election were older, whiter and more conservative than normal. In other words not traditional Democratic voters to begin with. But I didn't know we were talking about the midterms or whether or not the GOP can be electorally successful. I thought we were talking about whether or not one party is more hostile to moderates than another. I have seen no evidence that the GOP is moderating. All evidence in fact points to the contrary. And if they keep it up, purple states like yours will make correction back towards moderation in the the next couple of elections. If you think the Democrats not being moderate enough is why they lost in the midterms that's fine, but I'm willing to bet money that if unemployment was at 7% as opposed to 9.5% on Nov 2, 2010 things wouldn't have been nearly as bad. And if the GOP keeps focusing on abortion restrictions and not jobs they will pay a price for it. Assuming moderation is what drives elections, that is.

261 palomino  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 8:10:03pm

re: #30 brookly red

congratulations on your epic sweep last November.

Do you understand the term "national election"?

262 Jamie  Thu, Feb 10, 2011 5:43:48am

I remain mystified that someone whose first name is Richard and whose last name begins with "Wad" would go by "Dick" instead of Richard, Rich, Richie, or Rick.

263 leftynyc  Thu, Feb 10, 2011 6:27:49am

re: #206 moderatelyradicalliberal

I live in the South and that sounds like a bunch of unprincipled people switching sides to stay in office. Not because Democrats are being mean to them.

And let's face it, the South has never been a progressive segment of the country. It's been dragged kicking and screaming into every major social and economic change over the last 150 years.

When Democrats start jumping ship in the Northeast, West, Midwest and Southwest, I will get alarmed.

Just what I was thinking - political whores who should pay back the people who donated to their campaigns.


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