Santorum To Rape Victims: ‘Accept What God Has Given You’

The inhuman ideology behind the war on women’s rights
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In an interview with CNN’s Piers Morgan, Rick Santorum spelled out the inhuman belief system behind the anti-abortion crazies: Santorum To Rape Victims: ‘Make The Best Out Of A Bad Situation’.

SANTORUM: Well, you can make the argument that if she doesn’t have this baby, if she kills her child, that that, too, could ruin her life. And this is not an easy choice. I understand that. As horrible as the way that that son or daughter and son was created, it still is her child. And whether she has that child or doesn’t, it will always be her child. And she will always know that. And so to embrace her and to love her and to support her and get her through this very difficult time, I’ve always, you know, I believe and I think the right approach is to accept this horribly created — in the sense of rape — but nevertheless a gift in a very broken way, the gift of human life, and accept what God has given to you. As you know, we have to, in lots of different aspects of our life. We have horrible things happen. I can’t think of anything more horrible. But, nevertheless, we have to make the best out of a bad situation.

Logic and empathy are clearly not Santorum’s strengths, but I wonder if he’s aware that he’s equating his God with a rapist when he says, “Accept what God has given you?”

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195 comments
1 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:27:18pm

Again I say, your god is an evil god, Rick.

2 Kragar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:27:48pm

Santorum is a disgusting sack of shit.

3 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:28:35pm

Rick Santorum is a Satan worshipper.

4 erik_t  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:28:55pm

Frothy fucking monster.

5 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:29:19pm

Twenty years ago.

In the office I then worked in.

An acquaintance was pregnant from a rape.

We talked. She was planning on giving the child up for adoption, but was having second thoughts. She was in her late thirties, her husband had committed suicide, and frankly, this was probably the only child she would have. She wondered if maybe the child was a gift from God.

I told her, you have to look into your heart and decide what to do. Only you can decide this, but...BUT...God didn't do this. He would never, ever have you raped. Not ever. He'll help you through it, but he would never make it happen on purpose. Some jerk did that, not God.

No idea what she chose to do.

6 Girth  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:30:01pm

Accept what God has Given you, you ungrateful little slut. You were just asking God to rape you when you left the house dressed like that.

7 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:30:07pm

just close your eyes and think of the pope

8 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:30:07pm

Like a family member I have, Rick is living in an alternate reality in which bad things don't really happen. Babies aren't born crack addicted, waiting to die. Women are not beaten into a bloody pulp then used sexually for another's pleasure.

These things don't happen, all babies are conceived in G-d's love.

It's just a short jump to the erroneous conclusion that Darwin was wrong because humans are not animals.

/gah

9 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:31:02pm

I guess one could think of the immaculate conception as rape.

I certainly don't believe the doctrine about it anyway.

10 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:31:16pm

but nevertheless a gift in a very broken way, the gift of human life, and accept what God has given to you

did you tell your daughters that???

11 elizajane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:31:48pm

If you have an abortion, Rick Santorum will make darned sure that your life is ruined.

Back in the debauched, sin-filled 1980s and 90s, I remember quite a lot of conversations with friends of mine who had had abortions -- when they were 15 and went with their parents, or when they were 20 and in college and went with their roommate, or when they were 25 and starting their career and went with their boyfriend. Nobody ever said that it had ruined their life or, in fact, been in any way traumatizing. One friend had had several abortions; she is now a happily married parent. Her life was in no way ruined.
Yet it's been years since anybody has talked about such a thing with me. I don't believe that my friends have ceased to have abortions (although we are getting older); they don't even talk about ones in their past any more. The shame has become too great. This is where Rick Santorum wants to take us, and beyond.

12 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:31:51pm

re: #10 engineer dog

but nevertheless a gift in a very broken way, the gift of human life, and accept what God has given to you

did you tell your daughters that???

"but Daddy, I said 'no" (giggle)."

13 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:32:11pm

Can you honestly imagine that conversation at the hospital?

"Ma'am, I know what you've gone through is traumatic and scarring, but due to new policy, we can't offer to give you an abortion. Instead, this might be time to thank God that he's blessed you wish this child and accept it as his gift."

14 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:32:18pm

It does tickle me that the "top leading evangelicals" have decided to throw their support behind Rick, but the rank and file seems to be ignoring them.

15 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:32:50pm

I remember the wingnuts going absolutely apeshit when Obama said he didn't want his daughters to be "punished" with an unwanted pregnancy.

16 pinkbunny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:33:38pm

If Rick Santorum gets raped, I wonder if he would sing with rejoice over what God has given him?

17 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:33:44pm

re: #11 elizajane

If you have an abortion, Rick Santorum will make darned sure that your life is ruined.

Back in the debauched, sin-filled 1980s and 90s, I remember quite a lot of conversations with friends of mine who had had abortions -- when they were 15 and went with their parents, or when they were 20 and in college and went with their roommate, or when they were 25 and starting their career and went with their boyfriend. Nobody ever said that it had ruined their life or, in fact, been in any way traumatizing. One friend had had several abortions; she is now a happily married parent. Her life was in no way ruined.
Yet it's been years since anybody has talked about such a thing with me. I don't believe that my friends have ceased to have abortions (although we are getting older); they don't even talk about ones in their past any more. The shame has become too great. This is where Rick Santorum wants to take us, and beyond.

The shame should be that two people did 't use contraception (unless they did and it failed)

18 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:34:12pm

Breaking: Newt Gingrich Wins Nobel Prize For Universe's Most Sexy Man

world historical genius accepts prize during swimsuit competition while correcting einstein's theories

19 celticdragon  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:34:17pm

re: #8 ggt

Like a family member I have, Rick is living in an alternate reality in which bad things don't really happen. Babies aren't born crack addicted, waiting to die. Women are not beaten into a bloody pulp then used sexually for another's pleasure.

These things don't happen, all babies are conceived in G-d's love.

It's just a short jump to the erroneous conclusion that Darwin was wrong because humans are not animals.

/gah

It's called "Just World Theory" and it is a serious logical error where people suppose that bad things generally happen to bad people and good people are similarly rewarded. It is rather popular in this country.

20 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:35:31pm

re: #11 elizajane

If you have an abortion, Rick Santorum will make darned sure that your life is ruined.

Back in the debauched, sin-filled 1980s and 90s, I remember quite a lot of conversations with friends of mine who had had abortions -- when they were 15 and went with their parents, or when they were 20 and in college and went with their roommate, or when they were 25 and starting their career and went with their boyfriend. Nobody ever said that it had ruined their life or, in fact, been in any way traumatizing. One friend had had several abortions; she is now a happily married parent. Her life was in no way ruined.
Yet it's been years since anybody has talked about such a thing with me. I don't believe that my friends have ceased to have abortions (although we are getting older); they don't even talk about ones in their past any more. The shame has become too great. This is where Rick Santorum wants to take us, and beyond.

Despite the claims, I've yet to see an unbiased study that shows that women who've had abortions suffer any more from mental illness than those who haven't. The anti-choice crowd will swear up and down that women are becoming depressed and committing suicide from "murdering their child," but they can't prove it beyond anecdotal evidence.

21 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:36:20pm

re: #19 celticdragon

It's called "Just World Theory" and it is a serious logical error where people suppose that bad things generally happen to bad people and good people are similarly rewarded. It is rather popular in this country.

Well, I can accept the whole karma thing. Individual actions to have a big impact on the outcome of one's life. Except that life sometimes doesn't give a shit. Hurricanes happen, car accident's happen, misogynistic assholes happen.

22 abolitionist  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:36:30pm

Imagine how much we could trim the Federal budget if we just ignore victims of major disasters like floods, forrest fires, tornadoes, hurricanes, volcanos, tsunamis...

After all, those are Acts of God.

/obligatory

23 JeffM70  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:36:37pm

Couldn't God have given the gift of life in another way, say from a toilet seat?

24 Girth  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:37:07pm

re: #18 engineer dog

Breaking: Newt Gingrich Wins Nobel Prize For Universe's Most Sexy Man

world historical genius accepts prize during swimsuit competition while correcting einstein's theories

He's a shoe-in for this award...

25 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:37:32pm

Santorum Premieres Line Of Birth Announcement Cards Titled "The Gift Of Rape"

religious leaders to initiate prayer services thanking rapists for serving god's will by attacking and impregnating teenaged girls

26 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:37:37pm

re: #19 celticdragon

It's called "Just World Theory" and it is a serious logical error where people suppose that bad things generally happen to bad people and good people are similarly rewarded. It is rather popular in this country.

It's also something that the story of Job explicitly repudiates. Which you think would be important to these assholes.

27 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:37:51pm

The RC view is that G-d is supossed to involved in sex --because it is an act of creation. To exclude G-d with contraception is a sin.

I love my husband, but frankly, I don't do threesomes.

28 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:37:54pm

re: #19 celticdragon

It's called "Just World Theory" and it is a serious logical error where people suppose that bad things generally happen to bad people and good people are similarly rewarded. It is rather popular in this country.

It's a sort of mental block amongst the faithful, preventing them from questioning why bad things happen to good people if God is loving and caring for all. Sort of on the same level as the whole "moves in mysterious ways" BS.

29 Kragar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:37:59pm

So if you're married, and you get raped, and you become pregnant, does that mean God hates your husband?

30 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:38:05pm

re: #19 celticdragon

There is also the idea that everything happens for a reason, and it all happens according to God's Will. So when bad things happen to you, it's just God's way of testing you or helping you grow.

31 Girth  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:38:11pm

re: #21 ggt

Well, I can accept the whole karma thing. Individual actions to have a big impact on the outcome of one's life. Except that life sometimes doesn't give a shit. Hurricanes happen, car accident's happen, misogynistic assholes happen.

Shit Newt happens.

32 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:38:14pm

re: #26 Obdicut

It's also something that the story of Job explicitly repudiates. Which you think would be important to these assholes.

Yeah, but Job was a pagan --no?

33 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:38:46pm

‘Accept What God Has Given You’ - oh so many ways to respond to that whopper of logic from the man who is living up to his name.

Consider the following:

To Pennsylvania residents who have been repeatedly flooded out by the Delaware River, and indeed anyone who has suffered through a natural disaster (and not necessarily lived to tell the tale) - accept what God's given you.

To relatives of those who have been murdered or victims of serious crimes - accept it; that's what God has given you.

And for you victims of rape? You just got screwed by God too.

[deleted]

That's not anything even remotely associated with a compassionate God who would understand how and why a woman who has been violated would consider to remove all traces of that violation.

At the same time, God has provided the means to make that happen. It's just that Santorum doesn't want anyone to get an abortion, regardless of the circumstances.

34 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:39:08pm

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So if you're married, and you get raped, and you become pregnant, does that mean God hates your husband?

No, it just means he wasn't performing his duties as husband by sticking to God's timeline.

//

35 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:39:18pm

re: #23 JeffM70

Couldn't God have given the gift of life in another way, say from a toilet seat?

You're thinking of "The Gift of Crabs".

36 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:39:51pm

re: #32 ggt

Yeah, but Job was a pagan --no?

Um, no.

What?

I'm talking about this guy:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

37 celticdragon  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:40:02pm

More on that from Santa Clara University:

Afterwards, they said that the 22-year-old woman was bound to attract attention. She was wearing a white lace miniskirt, a green tank top, and no underwear. At knife-point, she was kidnapped from a Fort Lauderdale restaurant parking lot by a Georgia drifter and raped twice. But a jury showed little sympathy for the victim. The accused rapist was acquitted. "We all feel she asked for it [by] the way she was dressed," said the jury foreman.

The verdict of the jurors in the Fort Lauderdale rape trial may have been influenced by a widespread tendency to believe that victims of misfortune deserve what happens to them. The need to see victims as the recipients of their just deserts can be explained by what psychologists call the Just World Hypothesis. According to the hypothesis, people have a strong desire or need to believe that the world is an orderly, predictable, and just place, where people get what they deserve. Such a belief plays an important function in our lives since in order to plan our lives or achieve our goals we need to assume that our actions will have predictable consequences. Moreover, when we encounter evidence suggesting that the world is not just, we quickly act to restore justice by helping the victim or we persuade ourselves that no injustice has occurred. We either lend assistance or we decide that the rape victim must have asked for it, the homeless person is simply lazy, the fallen star must be an adulterer. These attitudes are continually reinforced in the ubiquitous fairy tales, fables, comic books, cop shows and other morality tales of our culture, in which good is always rewarded and evil punished.

38 JeffM70  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:40:31pm

re: #35 Slumbering Behemoth

Which are still life.

39 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:40:42pm

This has just gotten so weird

Let's all pray to the infernal goatlord of our understanding that Santorum stays in the race as long as possible, we need more soundbites of how "pro-life" people think

40 elizajane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:40:50pm

re: #20 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Despite the claims, I've yet to see an unbiased study that shows that women who've had abortions suffer any more from mental illness than those who haven't. The anti-choice crowd will swear up and down that women are becoming depressed and committing suicide from "murdering their child," but they can't prove it beyond anecdotal evidence.

Thank you. I also wanted to add that most of my friends who've had abortions eventually went on to become parents, often of several children. And those children would never have been born had those earlier pregnancies not been ended.
I just feel like, in some cosmic way, it evens out in the end.

Women do not spend their lives agonizing over this decision, and it is wrong of society to demand that they should -- which is essentially what the religious right has done in the past decade. If you can't outlaw it, fabricate such massive guilt that you destroy the lives of the "sinners."

41 BishopX  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:40:59pm

Illinois Senator Mark Kirk has been hospitalized after suffering a major stroke.

Best wishes for his recovery.

42 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:41:06pm

re: #36 Obdicut

Um, no.

What?

I'm talking about this guy:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

hmmm, I was under the impression he was a pagan.

43 Iwouldprefernotto  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:42:36pm

This is a man that deserves his Google "problem" And worse.

44 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:42:42pm

re: #42 ggt

This short video will bring you up to speed.

45 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:42:52pm

re: #42 ggt

hmmm, I was under the impression he was a pagan.

Nope. An early Israelite.

46 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:43:04pm

I gotta go,

getting to pissed again.

Have a great one all!

47 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:43:55pm

re: #42 ggt

hmmm, I was under the impression he was a pagan.

According to some rabbinic interpretations, he was a fictional character.

48 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:44:00pm

Self censored. Dear Ricky would NOT like where I would go here.

49 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:44:02pm

Fuck Santorum and fuck the party, ideology, and religion that enables him

50 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:44:57pm

A site tried to get this billboard up in Florida, but no media outlets would take it. :(

[Link: joemygod.blogspot.com...]

51 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:45:37pm

re: #11 elizajane

If you have an abortion, Rick Santorum will make darned sure that your life is ruined.

Back in the debauched, sin-filled 1980s and 90s, I remember quite a lot of conversations with friends of mine who had had abortions -- when they were 15 and went with their parents, or when they were 20 and in college and went with their roommate, or when they were 25 and starting their career and went with their boyfriend. Nobody ever said that it had ruined their life or, in fact, been in any way traumatizing. One friend had had several abortions; she is now a happily married parent. Her life was in no way ruined.
Yet it's been years since anybody has talked about such a thing with me. I don't believe that my friends have ceased to have abortions (although we are getting older); they don't even talk about ones in their past any more. The shame has become too great. This is where Rick Santorum wants to take us, and beyond.

It's all a part of the War on Women and they are all partaking in that. I can't imagine being married to a man like this.

52 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:46:05pm

Breaking: Newt Gingrich Rapes Rick Santorum, Calls It 'Newt's Gift Of God's Love'

pudgy rabble-rouser says santorum was asking for it by the way he was making kissy faces at gingrich

53 BishopX  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:47:55pm

re: #52 engineer dog

As much as I like taking shots at Santorum and Newt (god do they deserve it!), the rape stuff is a bit much. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

54 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:48:03pm
I wonder if he’s aware that he’s equating his God with a rapist when he says, “Accept what God has given you?”

I don't recall any mention in the bible of God asking permission from Mary before impregnating her with Jesus in her sleep. So yeah, I suppose God is a rapist if you want to get all technical about it...

55 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:48:05pm

Gingrich Declares Santorum 'Ungrateful' For Pressing Charges Of Assault

says santorum will thank him in the future when gingrich is honored as world savior and distant relative of jesus christ

56 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:48:09pm

re: #27 ggt

The RC view is that G-d is supossed to involved in sex --because it is an act of creation. To exclude G-d with contraception is a sin.

I love my husband, but frankly, I don't do threesomes.

The question is then, why does the female orgasm exist? Mistake of Gd maybe? Or has Mrs. Santorum ever had one?

Eww... I've just grossed myself out.

57 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:48:29pm

re: #26 Obdicut

It's also something that the story of Job explicitly repudiates. Which you think would be important to these assholes.

Yeah, but Job makes it out to be all part of God's plan, in that case the suffering was inflicted to win a bet with the Devil.

Where it gets really disgusting is when people see God's hand in rape resultant pregnancies but think repealing DADT was against His will. Either things happen according to a divine plan or life is just a bunch of shit that happens without rhyme or reason, can't have it both ways.

58 Girth  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:49:36pm

re: #52 engineer dog

Breaking: Newt Gingrich Rapes Rick Santorum, Calls It 'Newt's Gift Of God's Love'

pudgy rabble-rouser says santorum was asking for it by the way he was making kissy faces at gingrich

"I had to rape the former senator because I love my country so much..."

59 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:49:39pm

re: #40 elizajane

Thank you. I also wanted to add that most of my friends who've had abortions eventually went on to become parents, often of several children. And those children would never have been born had those earlier pregnancies not been ended.
I just feel like, in some cosmic way, it evens out in the end.

Women do not spend their lives agonizing over this decision, and it is wrong of society to demand that they should -- which is essentially what the religious right has done in the past decade. If you can't outlaw it, fabricate such massive guilt that you destroy the lives of the "sinners."

Speaking as a deist, the idea of sin as defined by organized religion is one I find distasteful, more so the idea of structuring laws to punish "sinners" by violating their rights. For so many who claim to believe in the ideal of keeping government from intruding on the rights of the common man, the common woman seems to be fair game.

60 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:49:46pm

re: #52 engineer dog

Breaking: Newt Gingrich Rapes Rick Santorum, Calls It 'Newt's Gift Of God's Love'

pudgy rabble-rouser says santorum was asking for it by the way he was making kissy faces at gingrich

Newtie flavored santorum.

61 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:50:48pm

re: #53 BishopX

As much as I like taking shots at Santorum and Newt (god do they deserve it!), the rape stuff is a bit much. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Agreed. Engineer, back off the rape jokes, it's tacky and it's low-brow.

62 Girth  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:51:23pm

re: #56 marjoriemoon

The question is then, why does the female orgasm exist? Mistake of Gd maybe? Or has Mrs. Santorum ever had one?

Eww... I've just grossed myself out.

If she has, I doubt Rick had anything to do with it.

63 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:51:33pm

re: #58 Girth

"I had to rape the former senator because I love my country so much..."

Rape jokes really aren't that funny.

I got raped as a kid. It gets tossed around way too easily.

64 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:52:02pm

Yeah, keep it on topic. Rick Santorum believes rapists are sent by god to spread His miracle of life.

65 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:53:01pm

re: #63 Obdicut

Sorry to hear that, bro. And I agree.

66 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:53:13pm

re: #53 BishopX

re: #61 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

heard and understood - will do

67 SidewaysQuark  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:53:25pm

Santorum is quite deserving of the moniker "Talibornagain".

68 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:54:26pm

I think we can do better than rape jokes and inventing disgusting definitions for a surname unfortunately not limited to only the gay bashing fool. How much would it suck to have the last name Santorum at this point?

69 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:54:45pm

re: #48 Floral Giraffe

Self censored. Dear Ricky would NOT like where I would go here.

Thanks for censoring.

re: #49 SpaceJesus

Fuck Santorum and fuck the party, ideology, and religion that enables him

Thanks for not censoring.

They each have their place, and I really enjoyed them side by side.

70 Girth  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:54:58pm

re: #63 Obdicut

Rape jokes really aren't that funny.

I got raped as a kid. It gets tossed around way too easily.

I went too far. I'm sorry.

71 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:55:02pm

re: #67 SidewaysQuark

Santorum is quite deserving of the moniker "Talibornagain".

I've become partial to the term "Evangeliban" in recent days.

72 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:55:06pm

re: #68 Rightwingconspirator

That's a good point. I feel bad for the other Santorums out there. Ouch.

73 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:55:30pm

re: #13 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Can you honestly imagine that conversation at the hospital?

"Ma'am, I know what you've gone through is traumatic and scarring, but due to new policy, we can't offer to give you an abortion. Instead, this might be time to thank God that he's blessed you wish this child and accept it as his gift."

They tried that speech, but after a couple of doctors got their jaws broken, they cut it out.

74 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:55:42pm

re: #70 Girth

I went too far. I'm sorry.

No worries. Thanks for being responsive.

75 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:56:33pm

re: #15 Alouette

I remember the wingnuts going absolutely apeshit when Obama said he didn't want his daughters to be "punished" with an unwanted pregnancy.

Well, now there's Rick. He'd love for someone else's daughters to be blessed with an unwanted pregnancy.

76 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:56:37pm

If Romney really wants to hurt Gingrich he'll seize on this issue at the next debate, making both Newt and Santorum defend their statements against an abortion exception for raped women. He should make it clear that he's the only candidate that isn't for increasing the odds of reproductive success for rapists.

77 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:57:11pm

re: #63 Obdicut

Rape jokes really aren't that funny.

I got raped as a kid. It gets tossed around way too easily.

There is NOTHING positive to say about rape.
NOTHING.
You just survive it.
Grrr.

78 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:57:36pm

re: #76 goddamnedfrank

That wouldn't help him with the GOP base.

79 Pete Puma  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:58:11pm

I'm flashing back to the 1988 debates when Dukakis fumbled the question about how he would act if someone raped and murdered his wife. I'm wondering what might happen if a debate moderator asked him a similar question and how he'd handle it. I'm guessing poorly as well.

80 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:58:56pm

re: #78 Obdicut

That wouldn't help him with the GOP base.

If anything, they'd probably cheer Newt and Santorum on for being solidly against abortion, rather than cutting out exceptions.

81 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:59:27pm

re: #54 ausador

I don't recall any mention in the bible of God asking permission from Mary before impregnating her with Jesus in her sleep. So yeah, I suppose God is a rapist if you want to get all technical about it...

The traditional interpretation, as well as the doctrine of the Church, is that Mary accepted her role as the mother of Jesus, out of free will.

Lady I used to teach with would blow the kid's minds in religion class by pointing out that Mary could have said no.

82 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 1:59:50pm

re: #68 Rightwingconspirator

I think we can do better than rape jokes and inventing disgusting definitions for a surname unfortunately not limited to only the gay bashing fool. How much would it suck to have the last name Santorum at this point?

Yeah, I figure the guy is repugnant enough on his own without any gross internet memes being attached.

83 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:00:57pm

re: #78 Obdicut

I printed your spanky giraffe link, and you make me smile every day!

84 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:01:32pm

re: #78 Obdicut

That wouldn't help him with the GOP base.

It's probably not a big winner but I don't think it would hurt him either though. I'm pretty sure his supporters are the one's who already think raped women shouldn't be forced to carry their rapists babies, and there are bound to be some women and men, financial cons, who are currently supporting Gingrich because he sounds angry enough who aren't fully aware of his stance on this issue. It's a big turnoff for many people.

85 Girth  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:01:58pm

re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist

The traditional interpretation, as well as the doctrine of the Church, is that Mary accepted her role as the mother of Jesus, out of free will.

Lady I used to teach with would blow the kid's minds in religion class by pointing out that Mary could have said no.

Yeah, but then George Lucas ret-conned it so that it was actually the midichlorians.

86 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:02:08pm

re: #75 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, now there's Rick. He'd love for someone else's daughters to be blessed with an unwanted pregnancy.

And I really do not normally throw around casual assumptions about people who are opposed to abortion. But these are the words of a man who simply doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about, or who he's talking to.

87 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:03:00pm

I feel sorry for Santorum's daughters. They're growing up in an environment where they're denigrated based on their gender and trained to see themselves as inferior targets.

88 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:03:09pm

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist

And I really do not normally throw around casual assumptions about people who are opposed to abortion. But these are the words of a man who simply doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about, or who he's talking to.

I kinda want him to experience, what he's wishing on others.
But, I am nicer than that.

89 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:03:11pm

re: #84 goddamnedfrank

It's probably not a big winner but I don't think it would hurt him either though. I'm pretty sure his supporters are the one's who already think raped women shouldn't be forced to carry their rapists babies, and there are bound to be some women and men, financial cons, who are currently supporting Gingrich because he sounds angry enough who aren't fully aware of his stance on this issue. It's a big turnoff for many people.

That's a bit like hoping that Newt's serial philandering would be enough of a turn-off to female voters that it would hurt his poll numbers.

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:03:23pm

re: #85 Girth

Yeah, but then George Lucas ret-conned it so that it was actually the midichlorians.

Headdesk.

91 celticdragon  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:03:40pm

On an unrelated note...

Thank God and internet geeks for inventing Wolfram Alpha. Anybody here who is playing with something like Integrate: e^(5x+2)sin(3x)dx knows just what I mean.

92 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:04:39pm

re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist

The traditional interpretation, as well as the doctrine of the Church, is that Mary accepted her role as the mother of Jesus, out of free will.

Lady I used to teach with would blow the kid's minds in religion class by pointing out that Mary could have said no.

Then why the whole immaculate conception, having Mary be born without original sin? It seems that if God was going to create one perfect vessel to carry his child then there probably wasn't a whole lot left up to chance.

93 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:05:57pm

re: #91 celticdragon

On an unrelated note...

Thank God and internet geeks for inventing Wolfram Alpha. Anybody here who is playing with something like Integrate: e^(5x+2)sin(3x)dx knows just what I mean.

Okay...that is just fucking cool.

94 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:06:03pm

I'm pretty much convinced that the majority of women my age (I'll be 50 next week...hurrah....) have been date raped. And most likely more than once. All the talk of free love in my generation, it was almost expected that you just DO it whether you want to or not.

Of course, this could certainly encompass other generations of women, but I think the generation behind me is wiser. Not stronger, necessarily, because when a man wants to, it's a lot easier to give in than to quibble. And a lot safer, lest you get a sock in the jaw. But I think wiser to the extent that they don't allow themselves to get into this situation to start. I could be wrong, but personal experience, talking with my friends and their teenage daughters, this is what I've come up with.

I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to hear from assholes like Santorum speak about a man's responsibility in the rape scenario, but you never hear about that, no, no, no.

95 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:06:22pm

Rick Santorum isn't the only candidate with these sick views about rape; ALL of the GOP candidates oppose abortion in cases of rape or incest.

All of them.

96 elizajane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:07:04pm

re: #59 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

For so many who claim to believe in the ideal of keeping government from intruding on the rights of the common man, the common woman seems to be fair game.

No kidding. On the one hand there is Rand Paul having conniptions about being patted down by a TSA officer, and on the other hand there's Rick Santorum telling women that they shouldn't mind having a rapist's child living inside of them for nine months. Does anybody see a little discrepancy here? I get that only one of these is a matter of life and death, but the distance between his body and hers in terms of integrity and protection is just outrageous.

97 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:07:30pm

my deepest apologies

i should know that rape is deeply painful to the victim and those who love them, and not a fit subject to make light of

98 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:07:55pm

re: #92 goddamnedfrank

Then why the whole immaculate conception, having Mary be born without original sin? It seems that if God was going to create one perfect vessel to carry his child then there probably wasn't a whole lot left up to chance.

Good point, but we don't know that there weren't others. Who's to say there wasn't a whole brigade of sinless teenage girls walking around? For that matter, who's to say that a previous generation (Elizabeth?) didn't say no, and set the clock back? Or that if Mary had refused, God would have had to start over?

(I'm seeing some fictional potential here.)

99 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:08:41pm

re: #98 SanFranciscoZionist

Good point, but we don't know that there weren't others. Who's to say there wasn't a whole brigade of sinless teenage girls walking around? For that matter, who's to say that a previous generation (Elizabeth?) didn't say no, and set the clock back? Or that if Mary had refused, God would have had to start over?

(I'm seeing some fictional potential here.)

Somewhere in the world, Dan Brown's ears just perked up.

100 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:09:03pm

re: #94 marjoriemoon

I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to hear from assholes like Santorum speak about a man's responsibility in the rape scenario, but you never hear about that, no, no, no.

This is the thing. There's barely any mention of the men involved at all.

101 Girth  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:13:33pm

re: #91 celticdragon

On an unrelated note...

Thank God and internet geeks for inventing Wolfram Alpha. Anybody here who is playing with something like Integrate: e^(5x+2)sin(3x)dx knows just what I mean.

Makes me want to sit down and do a whole bunch of integration by parts. Preferably as a means of solving differential equations.

I'm a sick man.

102 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:14:35pm

There's a delightful scene in "Lamb", where the young Jesus and John the Baptist meet for the first time. It seems that there's been some conflict between their mothers as to whose son will be Moshiach.

They rapidly agree that it's "Josh", to John's immense relief, because, as he explains, he had no clue how you were supposed to do it.

103 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:14:58pm

re: #92 goddamnedfrank

Then why the whole immaculate conception, having Mary be born without original sin? It seems that if God was going to create one perfect vessel to carry his child then there probably wasn't a whole lot left up to chance.

That's a rather recent innovation in the theology. The traditional (as in 1700 ~ 1800 years old) interpretation of the Annunciation requires free will.

104 pinkbunny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:15:12pm

re: #51 marjoriemoon

It's all a part of the War on Women and they are all partaking in that. I can't imagine being married to a man like this.

That's conundrum for sure! How this man ever got married is beyond me.

105 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:16:26pm

re: #95 Charles

Rick Santorum isn't the only candidate with these sick views about rape; ALL of the GOP candidates oppose abortion in cases of rape or incest.

All of them.

I haven't actually heard Romney affirmatively counter his 2008 platform, in which he favored exceptions in cases of rape, incest, and to save the live of the mother. On the other hand, as has been pointed out it's not an argument that will appeal much to the base so ...

106 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:16:57pm

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist

And I really do not normally throw around casual assumptions about people who are opposed to abortion. But these are the words of a man who simply doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about, or who he's talking to.

I disagree; I think he and Newt and Mitt knows exactly what they're talking about and what it means. It's red meat to what's become a highly evangelical base that is stridently repressive and would love to be oppressive against everyone else, because they think their way is the only way; they also are quite hypocritical at times as well.

Fuck them all in their earholes...

107 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:17:11pm

re: #94 marjoriemoon

I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to hear from assholes like Santorum speak about a man's responsibility in the rape scenario, but you never hear about that, no, no, no.

Although it may not seem like it at the time, the so-called "rapist" is blessing the woman with the greatest of all possible gifts. Having been blessed thusly, it is then the woman's sacred duty to stoically bear the burdens imposed on her by Eve's sin. The man is merely an agent of God's will.

108 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:17:22pm

OT, but what bands and artists are considered classic rock?

This will be mildly valuable to know. Exhaustive as possible.

109 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:17:26pm

re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist

This is the thing. There's barely any mention of the men involved at all.

When Santorum and the others believe this BS (and Charles is 100% right that all of them agree) it really just shows their disdain for women. We are nothing greater than our vayjayjays. I mean look what Gringrich thinks of women! Expecting his wife to accept an open marriage because he wants to stick his dick in whatever is walking by?

Sadder still are the WOMAN who are sucked in to this demented mindset. I'm looking at YOU Callista. Who is Newt screwing beside you presently?

110 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:17:26pm

re: #1 Slumbering Behemoth

Again I say, your god is an evil god, Rick.

Leave me out of this.
-God

111 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:17:34pm

re: #91 celticdragon

On an unrelated note...

Thank God and internet geeks for inventing Wolfram Alpha. Anybody here who is playing with something like Integrate: e^(5x+2)sin(3x)dx knows just what I mean.

Heh. Wonder how long that would take in my old copy of Mathcad on my SE/30? At least it has an FPU :D

112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:17:53pm

re: #102 SanFranciscoZionist

Loved that book!

113 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:21:28pm

re: #95 Charles

Rick Santorum isn't the only candidate with these sick views about rape; ALL of the GOP candidates oppose abortion in cases of rape or incest.

All of them.

Even Gary Johnson, who is still running, but not as a Republican, voted in the last presidential election for someone who supported the sanctity of life act (Chuck Baldwin). (Ron Paul introduced that act three times, as the link shows.)

114 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:22:07pm

re: #108 ProLifeLiberal

OT, but what bands and artists are considered classic rock?

This will be mildly valuable to know. Exhaustive as possible.

Start at the Beatles arriving in NYC. End with Led Zep quitting after Bonham died. Add everyone with an electric guitar and an attitude. Add Hair Metal bands most of the time as well. That's what they play on "classic" rock stations at least.

Me? The Who, The Kinks, Blue Oyster Cult. The rest? meh.

(Allmusic.com might have something helpful)

115 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:22:10pm

All I know is, if I was god, there would have been a few more immaculate conceptions...then if the Romans fucked with the son of god, they'd have to deal with his brothers.

116 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:23:07pm

re: #108 ProLifeLiberal

OT, but what bands and artists are considered classic rock?

This will be mildly valuable to know. Exhaustive as possible.

See "Definition of Pornography" - Potter Stewart

117 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:24:14pm

re: #108 ProLifeLiberal

OT, but what bands and artists are considered classic rock?

This will be mildly valuable to know. Exhaustive as possible.

Lynyrd Skynyrd and .38 Special. Everything else never happened.

/

118 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:25:17pm

re: #116 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

See "Definition of Pornography".

Using the whole chicken.

//(Too obscure?)

119 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:25:29pm

re: #102 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a delightful scene in "Lamb", where the young Jesus and John the Baptist meet for the first time. It seems that there's been some conflict between their mothers as to whose son will be Moshiach.

They rapidly agree that it's "Josh", to John's immense relief, because, as he explains, he had no clue how you were supposed to do it.

Ok, on the hold list at the public library.

120 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:27:32pm

re: #119 wlewisiii

Ok, on the hold list at the public library.

Goofy, but endearing.

"The Son of God shall not lie with a woman."

"Does that mean he SHOULD not, or he CAN not?"

"I don't know. Does it make a difference?"

"YES, it makes a difference!"

121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:27:35pm

re: #118 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Just a feather...

Classic Rock is in the eye of the beholder.

122 Girth  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:27:40pm

re: #117 darthstar

Lynyrd Skynyrd and .38 Special. Everything else never happened.

/

Sounds like a couple of guys I play with.

123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:29:07pm

re: #119 wlewisiii

Well worth waiting for. I listened to the recorded book, loved the narrator.

124 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:29:32pm
125 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:30:42pm

re: #118 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Using the whole chicken.

//(Too obscure?)

Not obscure enough. I prefer when they go over my head.

126 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:31:15pm

re: #105 goddamnedfrank

I haven't actually heard Romney affirmatively counter his 2008 platform, in which he favored exceptions in cases of rape, incest, and to save the live of the mother. On the other hand, as has been pointed out it's not an argument that will appeal much to the base so ...

Jon Huntsman also favors the above exceptions. He wasn't exactly a viable candidate, but he wasn't for forcing raped women to carry the resulting pregnancies to term. Same with Tim Pawlenty, who jumped at his own shadow and dropped out way too early.

127 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:33:50pm

re: #115 darthstar

All I know is, if I was god, there would have been a few more immaculate conceptions...then if the Romans fucked with the son of god, they'd have to deal with his brothers.

(rolls neck to make it crack)
"Let's play."

128 Charleston Chew  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:35:59pm

re: #1 Slumbering Behemoth

Again I say, your god is an evil god, Rick.

My God Raped You. Deal With It.

- Santorum 2012

129 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:36:18pm

re: #108 ProLifeLiberal

OT, but what bands and artists are considered classic rock?

This will be mildly valuable to know. Exhaustive as possible.

HAWKWIND

130 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:37:57pm

Romney has endorsed the 'Personhood' movement, which explicitly argues that any abortion at all is murder. In the past, he did say he was in favor of exceptions for rape, incest, or the life of the mother, but nobody has asked him about it for a long time - and he's moved way to the right on every other issue.

The debate moderators are simply ignoring issues like this, but I'd love to hear what Romney says now if he's asked the direct question.

131 Girth  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:40:23pm

Funny thing is that most of the absolute best classic rock is a bunch of British white guys copying old American black guys.

132 Charleston Chew  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:40:46pm

re: #19 celticdragon

It's called "Just World Theory" and it is a serious logical error where people suppose that bad things generally happen to bad people and good people are similarly rewarded. It is rather popular in this country.

It's popular with anyone with more luck than brains. Unfortunately, compassion is a skill an average person isn't really born with, but it is taught at the school of hard knock.

133 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:43:57pm

Social conservatives: prolife for everything but the already-born woman.

134 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:44:17pm
135 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:44:50pm

re: #133 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Um, I think their list is a little bigger than that.

136 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:45:05pm

re: #130 Charles

The debate moderators are simply ignoring issues like this, but I'd love to hear what Romney says now if he's asked the direct question.

Ratings are more important than serious debate questions on issues that could affect a majority of Americans. That's one of the reasons I quit watching these debates a while back. Zero substance.

137 Charleston Chew  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:46:16pm

re: #133 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Social conservatives: prolife for everything but the already-born woman.

For men they're nice enough to give us a choice: poverty, death in combat, incarceration, execution or be born rich.

138 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:46:50pm

re: #130 Charles

The debate moderators are instrumental. John Kings pathetic follow up on the very relevant Gingrich character issues is partially responsible for his surge.

139 Girth  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:48:04pm

re: #133 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Social conservatives: prolife for everything but the already-born woman.

140 Charleston Chew  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:49:38pm

re: #136 Slumbering Behemoth

Ratings are more important than serious debate questions on issues that could affect a majority of Americans. That's one of the reasons I quit watching these debates a while back. Zero substance.

It takes a lifetime of not being the kind of person who'll ask those tough questions to have the career to put you in a position to be asked to moderate a debate.

141 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:51:03pm

re: #114 wlewisiii

re: #116 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #117 darthstar

re: #129 WindUpBird

re: #131 Girth

Thank You. To all of you. I want to get a gift for a friend for her birthday. She has said she would be happy with anything I got her. Right now using FB as a basis. However, this was something that wasn't specific.

Also, any recommendation for Interesting Historical Documentaries or something like that. Preferably on the British Isles or on the United States?

142 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:51:47pm

Topics you can expect to be ignored in tonight's debate: abortion, climate change, evolution, and Newt Gingrich's sleazy personal life.

143 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:53:15pm

re: #142 Charles

Topics you can expect to be ignored in tonight's debate: abortion, climate change, evolution, and Newt Gingrich's sleazy personal life.

Prediction for #1 topic: Mitt's tax returns.

144 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:54:26pm

re: #143 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Prediction for #1 topic: Mitt's tax returns.

And then the subsequent longing for Caymen Island style taxation by the whole lot of them.

145 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:54:44pm

re: #130 Charles

Romney has endorsed the 'Personhood' movement, which explicitly argues that any abortion at all is murder. In the past, he did say he was in favor of exceptions for rape, incest, or the life of the mother, but nobody has asked him about it for a long time - and he's moved way to the right on every other issue.

The debate moderators are simply ignoring issues like this, but I'd love to hear what Romney says now if he's asked the direct question.

Personhoodusa.com says [quoting the Washington Times]:

[...]

Meanwhile, leaders of the personhood movement do not count Mr. Romney as a supporter of their cause because, despite his many pro-life positions, the candidate said in September he would not support a federal personhood amendment.

Maybe that's why he didn't show up for their 'debate'.

146 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:55:23pm

re: #142 Charles

Topics you can expect to be ignored in tonight's debate: abortion, climate change, evolution, and Newt Gingrich's sleazy personal life.

They're debating AGAIN?

I don't talk this much to my husband. What can they have left to discuss?

147 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:55:49pm

re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist

They're debating AGAIN?

I don't talk this much to my husband. What can they have left to discuss?

Just how bad Obama truly is.

/

148 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:56:02pm

re: #145 wrenchwench

Personhoodusa.com says [quoting the Washington Times]:

Maybe that's why he didn't show up for their 'debate'.

Maybe he sees it as a 'states rights' thing.

149 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:56:47pm

re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist

They're debating AGAIN?

I don't talk this much to my husband. What can they have left to discuss?

I think tonight is chili recipes and Civil War revisionism.

151 Girth  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:58:02pm

re: #142 Charles

Topics you can expect to be ignored in tonight's debate: abortion, climate change, evolution, and Newt Gingrich's sleazy personal life.

Of course those will be ignored tonight. It is after all a day that ends in 'ay'.

152 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:58:10pm

re: #150 Amory Blaine

British Members Of Parliament Call For Closure Of Romney’s Cayman Islands Tax Haven

That thudding sound you just heard was Wall Street shitting enough bricks to build a bridge to Europe.

153 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:58:33pm

re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist

They're debating AGAIN?

I don't talk this much to my husband. What can they have left to discuss?

I don't ever remember this many debates in the past. My guess is that the Republican party thought that all these debates would generate a lot of enthusiasm. They probably planned all this back when they thought the Tea Parties were still going to be around.

154 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:59:09pm

re: #142 Charles

Topics you can expect to be ignored in tonight's debate: abortion, climate change, evolution, and Newt Gingrich's sleazy personal life.

I'm watching "House" and "Alcatraz"

155 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:59:32pm
156 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 2:59:33pm

Romney's clearly hoping to get through the primaries without having to take a clear stand on this issue. Which is unfortunate, because I'm not sure that the financial conservatives are wild about defending this in the general. My Mom and Step Dad visited last week, and even though Mom now claims to be nominally against abortion this was one of the few issues that gave her real pause.

My Step-Dad on the other hand is an atheist who inherited the vast majority of his wealth and who only cares truly about one thing, the prospect of lower taxes for himself. He's pro gay marriage & gays in the military, pro Roe v. Wade, for teaching evolution and the Iraq pullout. If he actually understood the economy he'd likely be for Obama, but he's been brainwashed by Fox News and will sacrifice every other issue simply to lower his personal tax bill, even if it means rewarding the GOP's holding the economy hostage and risking further collapse due to deregulation.

157 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:00:23pm

re: #154 Alouette

I'm watching "House" and "Alcatraz"

This is one of those times when I give thanks for the invention of DVRs.

158 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:00:41pm

re: #145 wrenchwench

Here's the problem, though -- the Mitt Romney of 2012 is all over the map on this issue. In the article he posted at National Review in June, he takes several stances that are inconsistent with each other:

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

For example, he says he wants to repeal Roe v. Wade, but at the same time allow exceptions for rape/incest. But if Roe v. Wade is repealed, abortion becomes illegal again -- so what does it matter whether he says he supports exceptions?

159 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:02:33pm

re: #152 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That thudding sound you just heard was Wall Street shitting enough bricks to build a bridge to Europe.

Obama's been pushing to close overseas tax havens for years. I'm pretty sure it's stalled but it will probably come up again at the next G20. Part of the problem is it would also include Switzerland, that makes a lot of powerful people nervous.

160 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:03:29pm

re: #155 Varek Raith

I've been saving this for you all afternoon. ;)

161 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:04:25pm

re: #142 Charles

Topics you can expect to be ignored in tonight's debate: abortion, climate change, evolution, and Newt Gingrich's sleazy personal life.

Sadly true, at this point I'd sit in for just hard hitting policy questions but those too are scant at best. Given that sad state of affairs (pun intended) I think I'll miss the debate.

163 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:13:30pm

re: #160 CuriousLurker

I've been saving this for you all afternoon. ;)

Awesome.
Thanks.
:)

164 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:14:16pm

re: #142 Charles

Topics you can expect to be ignored in tonight's debate: abortion, climate change, evolution, and Newt Gingrich's sleazy personal life.

LOL @ sleazy!

165 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:16:38pm

re: #158 Charles

Here's the problem, though -- the Mitt Romney of 2012 is all over the map on this issue. In the article he posted at National Review in June, he takes several stances that are inconsistent with each other:

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

For example, he says he wants to repeal Roe v. Wade, but at the same time allow exceptions for rape/incest. But if Roe v. Wade is repealed, abortion becomes illegal again -- so what does it matter whether he says he supports exceptions?

And if he supports exceptions, but won't allow any federal funds to pay for poor women, it might as well be illegal, for the poor women. By approving of the Hyde Amendment he's being inconsistent and selective.

I wouldn't trust anything he said anyway.

166 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:19:17pm

The debate's in Florida, and will have (if the previous debates are any indication) a relatively hostile white audience. The immigration questions will be interesting.

Debate CCXII #242 - Beyond Thunderdome.

Shit...that should be MMXII

167 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:20:09pm

re: #165 wrenchwench

This is the same guy who flip flopped on his first name ...

169 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:20:47pm

re: #166 darthstar

The debate's in Florida, and will have (if the previous debates are any indication) a relatively hostile white audience. The immigration questions will be interesting.

Debate CCXII #242 - Beyond Thunderdome.

"We're against illegal immigration...except you Cubans, you're cool."

170 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:22:07pm

re: #169 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"We're against illegal immigration...except you Cubans, you're cool."

Except you Cubans here in the audience...

171 zora  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:22:44pm

re: #150 Amory Blaine

British Members Of Parliament Call For Closure Of Romney’s Cayman Islands Tax Haven

“As a former member of the Treasury select committee, I think it is a disgrace that the Cayman Islands, a tax haven, can enable wealthy corporations and individuals such as Mitt Romney and others in the wealthiest 1% to avoid tax and still be cloaked in secrecy. Meanwhile all across the western world, hard-working people are seeing their living standards and take-home pay stagnate or reduced.
“It reminds me of President Kennedy’s comment in his inaugural speech, ‘pay any price, bear any burden’. Except it’s hard-working, modestly paid majority who are bearing that burden.”

i hope this leaves a mark.

172 pinkbunny  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:22:53pm

re: #166 darthstar

The debate's in Florida, and will have (if the previous debates are any indication) a relatively hostile white audience. The immigration questions will be interesting.

Debate CCXII #242 - Beyond Thunderdome.

I would love it if Brian Williams asked each of the candidates specifically if each of them truly believe that President Obama was born in the US and is a Christian.

It's ridiculous that such a question should be asked, but the GOP has become a ridiculous party.

174 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:23:51pm

re: #172 pinkbunny

I would love it if Brian Williams asked each of the candidates specifically if each of them truly believe that President Obama was born in the US and is a Christian.

It's ridiculous that such a question should be asked, but the GOP has become a ridiculous party.

It's ridiculous that such a question HAS to be asked...again.

175 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:24:53pm

re: #154 Alouette

I'm watching "House" and "Alcatraz"

Debate threads are THE best threads. The only thing I'm going to miss about this lifelong election cycle (sure feels like it) after the Pres is finally elected and we find ourselves with nothing to talk about, are the LGF Debate threads. Much, much fun.

176 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:25:09pm

re: #168 goddamnedfrank

I hope there's a proper police investigation.

177 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:25:36pm

re: #175 marjoriemoon

Debate threads are THE best threads. The only thing I'm going to miss about this lifelong election cycle (sure feels like it) after the Pres is finally elected and we find ourselves with nothing to talk about, are the LGF Debate threads. Much, much fun.

We could always talk about how awesome I am.

178 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:26:03pm

re: #168 goddamnedfrank

Disgusting:

[WARNING: Article contains graphic image of dead cat.]

Creepy. Strange that it's a campaign manager that was targeted and not the politician he's representing. The perpetrator probably knows him personally, maybe even a neighbor.

179 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:26:40pm

From Angryblacklady:

The father of Aden’s opponent, incumbent Republican Congressman Steve Womack, owns and operates a local radio station, and Womack began his career as station manager. And according to the Blue Arkansas blog, Womack’s radio station has broadcast the names and addresses of Ken Aden and his staff.

180 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:28:11pm

re: #176 Obdicut

I hope there's a proper police investigation.

Home surveillance systems are cheap to set up now a days. I don't think I'd get involved in politics without a quality stealthy rig capturing images of all visitors to my property.

181 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:28:56pm

Crap. I've tried several times to post my incredulity and horror at his idiotic, evil statement. Something funny and cutting.

Can't do it. I simply want to do something spectacularly and painfully fatal to the man.

Won't do that. Then I'd be no better than him.

182 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:30:17pm

re: #173 Varek Raith

Tennessee Tea Parties demand textbooks contain no mean things about Founding Fathers

Yeah, because we'd hate to think that the Founding Fathers were human beings, rather than mythological beings who were perfect straight from the womb. *rolls eyes*

183 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:30:44pm

re: #177 Varek Raith

We could always talk about how awesome I am.

We only do that when you aren't here.

184 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:32:04pm

RedState calling for a GOP candidate to step down.

Guess which one?

I do not mean this in the sense that he “failed to put away” Newt. You can’t stop him, you can only hope he falls asleep after talking to himself in containment. I mean this in the sense that Mitt Romney managed to turn himself into even more of a walking caricature in just a handful of weeks. His hamhanded handling of his own corporate past — not to be confused with his hamhanded handling of his political past, which is a given — and his wealth have given voters who were preparing hemlock pies and resigning themselves to voting for a blob of clay with fantastic hair a reason to say, By God, no, I’m not going to eat that hemlock, and I’m not going to vote for this idiot.

Consider that the man who doesn’t even respect the electorate enough to lie to them in a consistent manner about his political beliefs, political formation, policy choices, gosh, the list goes on, does respect them enough to openly condescend to them by telling them that three hundred thousand dollars is basically a pittance.

185 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:32:17pm

re: #181 Romantic Heretic

He's just a pig.
That works for me!

186 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:33:18pm

re: #178 Killgore Trout

Creepy. Strange that it's a campaign manager that was targeted and not the politician he's representing. The perpetrator probably knows him personally, maybe even a neighbor.

That would make the block party a little awkward.

187 Lidane  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:34:29pm

re: #184 darthstar

RedState calling for a GOP candidate to step down.

Guess which one?

So Mitt Romney -- the only GOP candidate who isn't a bugfuck crazy old man (Paul), a religious fanatic (Santorum) or a bomb-throwing asshole that his own party hated enough to drive from office (Gingrich)-- has to fall on his sword?

LOL forever if RedState is stupid enough to think that Romney bowing out will help the GOP in the long run.

188 darthstar  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:36:43pm

re: #187 Lidane

So Mitt Romney -- the only GOP candidate who isn't a bugfuck crazy old man (Paul), a religious fanatic (Santorum) or a bomb-throwing asshole that his own party hated enough to drive from office (Gingrich)-- has to fall on his sword?

LOL forever if RedState is stupid enough to think that Romney bowing out will help the GOP in the long run.

There's a good reason CNN hired Erick Ericksion as an expert...CNN is fucked in the head.

189 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:38:10pm

re: #188 darthstar

There's a good reason CNN hired Erick Ericksion as an expert...CNN is fucked in the head.

Don't forget CNN's own Dana "I like peeing on dead guys" Loesch, who is trying to become the more urine-friendly Ann Coulter

190 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:40:33pm

re: #187 Lidane

So Mitt Romney -- the only GOP candidate who isn't a bugfuck crazy old man (Paul), a religious fanatic (Santorum) or a bomb-throwing asshole that his own party hated enough to drive from office (Gingrich)-- has to fall on his sword?

LOL forever if RedState is stupid enough to think that Romney bowing out will help the GOP in the long run.

It's some blind hope at this point that either Santorum could conceivably win against Newt if Mitt bowed out or that some savior is sitting in the wings, waiting for Mitt's departure before riding in upon a white steed to slay the Newt.

The article itself is hilarious, but the idea that Mitt calling it quits could stop Newt from winning the nomination is far funnier.

191 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 3:43:20pm

re: #189 WindUpBird

Don't forget Dana "I like peeing on dead guys" Loesch, who is trying to become the more urine-friendly Ann Coulter

LOL What do you get when you cross a necrophiliac with a golden shower?

192 JeffFX  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 4:00:16pm

I wish there was a way to raise Rick's IQ 50 points for a day, causing him to realize he's a tiny little man, imagining a nasty god in his own wretched image.

193 Jaerik  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 4:14:12pm

It really sounds like most Evangelicals' God is not a deity I would ever want to believe in. Capricious, cruel, malevolent, and utterly devoid of love unless you're cut of the exact same worldly and political cloth as His believers.

Render unto Caesar, indeed.

194 Egregious Philbin  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 5:50:59pm

Rick is the leader of the talibornagain whackjobs.

Lets just send him to Pakistan.

195 Flavia  Mon, Jan 23, 2012 10:05:08pm

If G-d gifts me with a broken leg, am I supposed to accept it, & not get it fixed? If G-d gifts me with bullet wounds, should I not get the bullets taken out? How about G-d's gift of medical knowledge and a functioning brain? The only thing sicker than a Presidential candidate who wants to FORCE people to insanely pick & choose which gifts from G-d we are to use, is the many followers this slimy jackass seems to have!!!


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