Wednesday Night Stunt Guitar: Joe Satriani w/ Marco Minneman and Bryan Beller - “Satch Boogie”

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Joe Satriani will be featured on a new episode of NPT’s music series Front And Center! This hour long special was filmed recently in New York and will begin airing on October 21st. Check local listings & frontandcenter.com for air times

The new season also includes Counting Crows, Dierks Bentley, Keith Urban, Lady Antebellum, The Fray, Richie Sambora, Richard Thompson, Paul Rodgers, and John Hiatt!

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1 Editor in Chief  Oct 1, 2014 5:34:45pm

Just think how impressive Joe would become if he learned how to play the guitar.

2 Floral Giraffe  Oct 1, 2014 5:35:56pm

Always love a music thread! Thanks Charles!

3 austin_blue  Oct 1, 2014 5:39:25pm

This is how I deal with aging fears,
Still thrashin’ after all these years.

4 WhatEVs  Oct 1, 2014 5:46:35pm

Another day, another…

Black kids arrested for walking down the middle of the street…on a street that has no sidewalks. With a side of tasering a 62 year old woman for… shits and grins, apparently.

m.dailykos.com

5 Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2014 5:49:26pm
6 austin_blue  Oct 1, 2014 5:51:20pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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Oh, snap!

7 lawhawk  Oct 1, 2014 5:53:48pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

CCJ isn’t just anti-establishment. He’s anti-reality. He’s ahistorical and amoral, but most of all, he’s a smear merchant who’s never met a smear he’s not willing to spread.

As he did with the baseless Mike Brown claims.

As he did with spreading the contact information of the patient infected with Ebola.

And the list will go on.

8 wrenchwench  Oct 1, 2014 6:01:06pm

This is barely qualifies as music, but I’m putting it on the music thread.

9 Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2014 6:05:43pm
10 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Oct 1, 2014 6:07:15pm
Counting Crows, Dierks Bentley, Keith Urban, Lady Antebellum, The Fray, Richie Sambora, Richard Thompson, Paul Rodgers, and John Hiatt!

Always love me some RT. Interestingly, I recently read a profile of the Counting Crows singer that mentioned how he suffered from some mental condition which made him stressed about playing concerts (I may be misremembering that somewhat, but I thought it was big of him to talk about it).

11 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Oct 1, 2014 6:07:37pm

The guy on the keyboards is the amazingly amazing Mike Keneally, who got his start as a “stunt guitarist” for Frank Zappa. He has also toured with the likes of Steve Vai and even Dethklok. He has a growing catalog of solo material, almost none of which sounds like any of the above, save Zappa.

Interestingly enough, Beller and Minneman have been in Mike’s band for years. This could theoretically be the Mike Keneally Band with Special Guest, Joe Satriani.

12 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2014 6:08:52pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

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The poor things are gonna need way more plastic sheeting and duct tape…

13 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Oct 1, 2014 6:09:44pm

re: #11 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

He has also toured with the likes of Steve Vai and even Dethklok.

I had no idea that they toured lol.

Love their jingle for Duncan Hills coffee:

Youtube Video

14 b.d.  Oct 1, 2014 6:11:35pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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I take back my previous opinion from the other thread, nail that fearmongering bastard.

15 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Oct 1, 2014 6:12:55pm

re: #13 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I had no idea that they toured lol.

Love their jingle for Duncan Hills coffee:

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Video

There are several concert videos on Youtube, nearly all of them terrible-quality bootlegs, unfortunately. The usual band line-up is Brendan Small (creator of the show), Mike Keneally, Bryan Beller, and Gene Hoglan.

16 WhatEVs  Oct 1, 2014 6:14:49pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

The poor things are gonna need way more plastic sheeting and duct tape…

Diapers come to mind. And Xanax. Lots of Xanax.

17 Kid A  Oct 1, 2014 6:16:21pm

It just got awfully quiet in Pittsburgh.

18 wrenchwench  Oct 1, 2014 6:17:00pm

Later, lizards.

19 EPR-radar  Oct 1, 2014 6:17:56pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

On the other hand, if RWNJs become convinced that Ebola can spread via airborne transmission, maybe they’ll all stop breathing and solve a great many problems all at once.

20 EPR-radar  Oct 1, 2014 6:20:05pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Bingo. The US conservative movement is a synthesis of nearly every form of evil in US politics, and the GOP is its party.

21 Jenner7  Oct 1, 2014 6:20:14pm

re: #17 Kid A

Ouch. My hubby is from NE Ohio and love the Bucs. Glad he’s in class right now.

22 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Oct 1, 2014 6:20:25pm

re: #19 EPR-radar

On the other hand, if RWNJs become convinced that Ebola can spread via airborne transmission, maybe they’ll all stop breathing and solve a great many problems all at once.

(deity) doesn’t love us that much. :(

23 Jenner7  Oct 1, 2014 6:23:04pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

I wonder what it’s like to be married to a scum sucking lying liar dick bag??

24 teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2014 6:23:16pm

Heyooo!

25 BongCrodny  Oct 1, 2014 6:23:52pm

Okay, so I created a new drinking game.

Whenever Chuck C. Johnson threatens to sue someone, I take a drink.

My liver transplant operation is tomorrow.

26 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Oct 1, 2014 6:25:26pm

re: #25 BongCrodny

Okay, so I created a new drinking game.

Whenever Chuck C. Johnson threatens to sue someone, I take a drink.

My liver transplant operation is tomorrow.

It was nice knowing you.

27 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2014 6:26:17pm

re: #24 teleskiguy

heh…just saw that on my TL.

28 b.d.  Oct 1, 2014 6:26:26pm

re: #25 BongCrodny

Okay, so I created a new drinking game.

Whenever Chuck C. Johnson threatens to sue someone, I take a drink.

My liver transplant operation is tomorrow.

He’s going to sue you for making a game about him.

29 Lidane  Oct 1, 2014 6:26:27pm
30 Decatur Deb  Oct 1, 2014 6:28:47pm

re: #25 BongCrodny

Okay, so I created a new drinking game.

Whenever Chuck C. Johnson threatens to sue someone, I take a drink.

My liver transplant operation is tomorrow.

Don’t tell them you’ve been to Liberia. Or Texas.

31 FemNaziBitch  Oct 1, 2014 6:29:17pm

awwwwww!

and
Youtube Video

32 Lidane  Oct 1, 2014 6:29:43pm
33 Decatur Deb  Oct 1, 2014 6:29:57pm

Health and Human Services Public Affairs sources:

hhs.gov

34 lawhawk  Oct 1, 2014 6:31:25pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

One fact, lots of misinformation. It’s the CCJ way.

35 Bubblehead II  Oct 1, 2014 6:31:58pm

Night Lizard. Spent the day in cyber-space Nuff said. Dinner awaits.

Sleep well and may the Deity of your smile down upon you.

36 Stanley Sea  Oct 1, 2014 6:33:41pm

re: #24 teleskiguy

Heyooo!

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updog redeux

37 Belafon  Oct 1, 2014 6:36:32pm

re: #23 Jenner7

38 FemNaziBitch  Oct 1, 2014 6:37:04pm
39 lawhawk  Oct 1, 2014 6:41:04pm


- and that’s the win.

40 FemNaziBitch  Oct 1, 2014 6:42:15pm

Sorry, this is just not cute.

41 FemNaziBitch  Oct 1, 2014 6:42:44pm

I’m not freaking out about Ebola.

42 whitebeach  Oct 1, 2014 6:44:01pm

For this music thread: An old-school piano man, a truly decent human being, and one of the last white politicians ever elected in NW Louisiana who could reasonably be called liberal has left the house. RIP and boogie, Bill Bush. The link, if it works (I don’t do this much), is to a remembrance by a rightwinger, but its tone conveys Bill.

soitgoesinshreveport.blogspot.com

43 Decatur Deb  Oct 1, 2014 6:44:19pm

re: #40 FemNaziBitch

Sorry, this is just not cute.

Looks like it tastes like chicken.

44 FemNaziBitch  Oct 1, 2014 6:44:59pm

re: #43 Decatur Deb

Looks like it tastes like chicken.

ewwwwwww!

45 Belafon  Oct 1, 2014 6:45:10pm

re: #41 FemNaziBitch

I’m giving my kids information and telling them not to freak out about ebola. I also thought about making a shirt with a picture of the virus they keep showing on TV and writing on it “This is probably as close as you will get to ebola.” And I live in the Dallas area.

46 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Oct 1, 2014 6:46:16pm

re: #40 FemNaziBitch

Sorry, this is just not cute.

I actually used to know someone who had an armadillo purse. Interesting accessory.

47 FemNaziBitch  Oct 1, 2014 6:46:38pm

Am posting every day until November 4. Feel free to share on Social Media.

Please

48 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 1, 2014 6:46:39pm

re: #45 Belafon

Mr. Cynic sez the way to get the media to diminish that concern is give them a vaccine to worry about.

49 FemNaziBitch  Oct 1, 2014 6:47:05pm

re: #46 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I actually used to know someone who had an armadillo purse. Interesting accessory.

Did it fold-up into a hard-shelled ball?

50 Single-handed sailor  Oct 1, 2014 6:47:39pm

re: #40 FemNaziBitch

Sorry, this is just not cute.

Maybe not, but of you mount tracks on it it becomes bad-ass.

51 FemNaziBitch  Oct 1, 2014 6:47:52pm

re: #45 Belafon

I’m giving my kids information and telling them not to freak out about ebola. I also thought about making a shirt with a picture of the virus they keep showing on TV and writing on it “This is probably as close as you will get to ebola.” And I live in the Dallas area.

How about —YOU LIVE IN AMERICA—chances are, that is enough to keep you from dying of Ebola.

52 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Oct 1, 2014 6:48:11pm

re: #49 FemNaziBitch

Did it fold-up into a hard-shelled ball?

It was a hard shell with a flap on the top. No legs, IIRC. Perhaps the most interesting accessory I’ve ever seen.

53 Decatur Deb  Oct 1, 2014 6:48:21pm

re: #46 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I actually used to know someone who had an armadillo purse. Interesting accessory.

Armani knock-off from Tijuana?

54 FemNaziBitch  Oct 1, 2014 6:48:38pm

re: #51 FemNaziBitch

How about —YOU LIVE IN AMERICA—chances are, that is enough to keep you from dying of Ebola.

or —You Only Die of Ebola if you life in Africka.

Celebrate! You are an American!

*spit*

55 FemNaziBitch  Oct 1, 2014 6:50:39pm

Now that I am finished with Battestar Gallactica, what should I watch?

56 FemNaziBitch  Oct 1, 2014 6:51:47pm

re: #52 Rev_Arthur_Belling

It was a hard shell with a flap on the top. No legs, IIRC. Perhaps the most interesting accessory I’ve ever seen.

Did a baby Armadillo have to die to make it?

57 FemNaziBitch  Oct 1, 2014 6:52:59pm

Explain this to me:

58 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Oct 1, 2014 6:53:10pm

re: #56 FemNaziBitch

Did a baby Armadillo have to die to make it?

No, it was an adult Armadillo. I hope it was road kill or old age that killed it. I’d hate to think a creature died just for a purse. (This was in Texas, btw)

Edit: And she was a punk/hardcore girl, not someone on the high end of fashion, fwiw.

59 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2014 6:53:47pm

Guess who back threatening the President on Facebook?
Everest Wilhelmson!

60 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 1, 2014 6:53:54pm

re: #55 FemNaziBitch

Now that I am finished with Battestar Gallactica, what should I watch?

Ever watched Blake’s 7?

61 Decatur Deb  Oct 1, 2014 6:53:57pm

Why survival will be better in Dallas:

nytimes.com

62 lawhawk  Oct 1, 2014 6:54:12pm

re: #57 FemNaziBitch

Third war - a war on logic. Because that’s some serious pretzel logic going on there.

63 Stanley Sea  Oct 1, 2014 6:54:28pm

re: #55 FemNaziBitch

Now that I am finished with Battestar Gallactica, what should I watch?

Real time, there is a new show coming on Fox with Anna Gunn. 10 part mystery. Probably like The Killing (which was good)

Here’s the NYT review (Nick Nolte in an ep)

nytimes.com

64 RealityBasedSteve  Oct 1, 2014 6:55:02pm

re: #50 Single-handed sailor

Maybe not, but of you mount tracks on it it becomes bad-ass.

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CURSES YOU FIEND!!!!! I was just getting ready to post my copy of that.

RBS

65 Decatur Deb  Oct 1, 2014 6:55:30pm

re: #58 Rev_Arthur_Belling

No, it was an adult Armadillo. I hope it was road kill or old age that killed it. I’d hate to think a creature died just for a purse. (This was in Texas, btw)

People for the Ethical Treatment of Alligators.

66 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Oct 1, 2014 6:57:14pm

re: #55 FemNaziBitch

Now that I am finished with Battestar Gallactica, what should I watch?

I’ve been enjoying Blacklist. James Spader is a perfect asshole.

67 RealityBasedSteve  Oct 1, 2014 6:57:18pm

Armadillos are the only animal (other than people) that can contract leprosy. I suggest we enroll CCJ in the “Weak and Sickly Armadillo of the Month Club”.

RBS

68 Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2014 6:59:33pm
69 RealityBasedSteve  Oct 1, 2014 7:00:45pm

re: #66 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I’ve been enjoying Blacklist. James Spader is a perfect asshole.

I’m watching Blacklist right now. When I first started watching, I viewed his character as more ‘white collar con-man’. Now I realize that he’s pretty much totally amoral. Much more interesting. In some ways he reminds me of the Blackbeard character that John Malkovich plays. Charming, urban, witty, and will kill you without any hesitation for any reason, or just to make a point.

RBS

70 Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 1, 2014 7:02:53pm

Can you imagine Charles C as a father?

*Sideshow Bob shudder*

71 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Oct 1, 2014 7:03:06pm

re: #69 RealityBasedSteve

I’m watching Blacklist right now. When I first started watching, I viewed his character as more ‘white collar con-man’. Now I realize that he’s pretty much totally amoral. Much more interesting. In some ways he reminds me of the Blackbeard character that John Malkovich plays. Charming, urban, witty, and will kill you without any hesitation for any reason, or just to make a point.

RBS

Yeah, that’s my take, although he does have a soft spot for (spoiler, so I won’t say it). The first couple of eps were hard to get through, but it built up through the season. And the comparison with Malkovich is a good one!

72 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2014 7:05:55pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

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Upchuck will just say the Times stole his scoop.

73 RealityBasedSteve  Oct 1, 2014 7:07:51pm

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

Upchuck will just say the Times stole his scoop.

Upchuck seems to confuse having a scoop with having a poop. Just because you’ve got something on paper doesn’t mean you should go run and show it to everybody.

RBS

74 FemNaziBitch  Oct 1, 2014 7:07:59pm

re: #60 William Barnett-Lewis

Ever watched Blake’s 7?

Not on Netflix

:(

75 FemNaziBitch  Oct 1, 2014 7:09:52pm

I’m gonna try Peaky Blinders, if I hate it, I might have to start with the Star Trek series TOS and just keep on going.

bbl

76 teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2014 7:10:59pm

re: #73 RealityBasedSteve

Upchuck seems to confuse having a scoop with having a poop. Just because you’ve got something on paper doesn’t mean you should go run and show it to everybody.

RBS

ZING!

77 b.d.  Oct 1, 2014 7:11:40pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

I live in DFW and I have to say that all of the officials and local media here are doing a wonderful job of explaining to the populace what the real deal is. There is a certain place in hell for f*ckers like Chuck C and his lying, fear mongering campaign.

78 Stanley Sea  Oct 1, 2014 7:12:43pm

re: #77 b.d.

I live in DFW and I have to say that all of the officials and local media here are doing a wonderful job of explaining to the populace what the real deal is. There is a certain place in hell for f*ckers like Chuck C and his lying, fear mongering campaign.

He was retweeting some RWNJ radio guy from your area. Not going back to see who it was. You probably already know.

79 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 1, 2014 7:14:11pm

re: #74 FemNaziBitch

Not on Netflix

:(

Too bad. It’s one of the top 5 SF TV shows of all time. Perhaps on Amazon?

80 mroop  Oct 1, 2014 7:16:25pm

Redd Volkaert tears it up on Sleepwalk.

Youtube Video

81 b.d.  Oct 1, 2014 7:17:34pm

re: #78 Stanley Sea

I had to go back and look, I’ve never heard of that guy. There are plenty of RWNJ radio guys here but that channel looks like the lowest levels of the minor leagues.

82 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2014 7:19:32pm

The second tweet could explain much about Upchuck:

83 Stanley Sea  Oct 1, 2014 7:22:35pm

re: #81 b.d.

I had to go back and look, I’ve never heard of that guy. There are plenty of RWNJ radio guys here but that channel looks like the lowest levels of the minor leagues.

That’s the extent of Chuck’s research i guess.

84 freetoken  Oct 1, 2014 7:30:40pm

re: #57 FemNaziBitch

Explain this to me:

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Cognitive dissonance arising out of a collapsed worldview.

85 Mike Lamb  Oct 1, 2014 7:30:40pm

It’s amazing to me that Chuck Johnson is so consumed with the profit motive that he’s willing to stoke this kind of fear. He’s trying to incite panic for page clicks. It’s criminal.

86 Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2014 7:31:35pm
87 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2014 7:35:12pm

Get ready for more pearl clutching:

Patient in isolation in Honolulu hospital, officials say Ebola a possibility

The Department of Health has confirmed a patient is currently in isolation and undergoing testing in a Honolulu area hospital.

Officials told KHON2 Ebola is a possibility, however the patient has yet to be specifically tested for the virus.

Officials will not provide any details about the patient or symptoms, but confirms the department is working with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

88 Stanley Sea  Oct 1, 2014 7:36:39pm

Damn IT. Wish Allegro was still here. Just read that Oct is National Pizza Month.

89 Kragar  Oct 1, 2014 7:37:17pm

“Fellow Conservatives”

90 teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2014 7:40:26pm

re: #88 Stanley Sea

Damn IT. Wish Allegro was still here. Just read that Oct is National Pizza Month.

PIZZA CAKE

91 Stanley Sea  Oct 1, 2014 7:43:23pm

re: #90 teleskiguy

PIZZA CAKE

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cray

92 Bear  Oct 1, 2014 7:44:36pm

re: #90 teleskiguy

Where is the pineapple?
//

93 nines09  Oct 1, 2014 7:46:47pm

Joe still has it. I must talk to my fingers.

94 teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2014 7:47:20pm

re: #92 Bear

Where is the pineapple?
//

Loves me some Hawaiian pizza toppings, with jalapeño for spiciness!

Kragar thinks I’m horribly evil for this.

BWAHAHAHA!

95 Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2014 7:49:41pm
96 Kragar  Oct 1, 2014 7:54:32pm

re: #94 teleskiguy

Loves me some Hawaiian pizza toppings, with jalapeño for spiciness!

Kragar thinks I’m horribly evil for this.

BWAHAHAHA!

Pizza toppings consist of pepperoni, sausage, and bacon.

Thats it.

97 teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2014 7:57:45pm

Neil Hamburger makes me LOL about every time he tweets! This latest tweet is especially funny.

98 RealityBasedSteve  Oct 1, 2014 7:59:23pm

re: #94 teleskiguy

Loves me some Hawaiian pizza toppings, with jalapeño for spiciness!

Kragar thinks I’m horribly evil for this.

BWAHAHAHA!

I tried that last week, and it was surprisingly good. I’d do it again.

RBS

99 teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2014 8:00:35pm
U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, today issued the following statement about the Ebola diagnosis that was confirmed in Dallas yesterday.

“All of us are deeply concerned about the terrible outbreak of Ebola in Africa and the fact that there is now one confirmed case here in Texas. Our prayers are with those who are suffering. Earlier today I spoke with Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Sylvia Burwell and she offered her assurances that HHS and the CDC are acting vigorously to take every medical step to contain and stop the spread of the Ebola virus,” said Sen. Ted Cruz. “Vigilance is still very much required, but present information seems to indicate that a more widespread outbreak in America remains unlikely. I am proud of our soldiers from Ft. Hood fighting the disease in Africa and the exceptional medical staff we have in Texas working to limit its spread, and I would urge those in the Dallas area and statewide to heed close attention to information being distributed by the medical community.”

100 b.d.  Oct 1, 2014 8:02:04pm

Yep, I’ve about had it with Chuck

101 Belafon  Oct 1, 2014 8:02:30pm

re: #99 teleskiguy

I hate it when aliens replace Republicans with duplicates, even if it’s only temporary.

102 teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2014 8:05:25pm

Ted Cruz’s speechwriter Amanda Carpenter retweeted this:

Looks like some push-back is actually occurring against the UpChuck thinking of Ebola.

103 WhatEVs  Oct 1, 2014 8:10:05pm

To follow-up on Charles’ post above.

104 teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2014 8:10:14pm

re: #100 b.d.

Yep, I’ve about had it with Chuck

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105 goddamnedfrank  Oct 1, 2014 8:19:01pm
106 Kragar  Oct 1, 2014 8:21:49pm

re: #102 teleskiguy

Ted Cruz’s speechwriter Amanda Carpenter retweeted this:

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107 makeitstop  Oct 1, 2014 8:23:24pm

re: #99 teleskiguy

Ted, playing president.

108 teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2014 8:35:11pm

re: #106 Kragar

One of the replies above your tweet. OMFG! Must be a brand new parody account.

109 Mattand  Oct 1, 2014 8:48:14pm

Watching Stephen Colbert rip Bill O’Reilly to tiny pieces is truly a joyous wonder to behold.

110 WhatEVs  Oct 1, 2014 8:51:12pm

re: #109 Mattand

Watching Stephen Colbert rip Bill O’Reilly to tiny pieces is truly a joyous wonder to behold.

Care to share? I wasn’t watching.

111 WhatEVs  Oct 1, 2014 9:00:22pm

I just read that Tracy Morgan is in a wheelchair and might never walk again. That’s so sad.

112 bratwurst  Oct 1, 2014 9:00:33pm

It remains to be seen what election night looks like on a national level, but here in Illinois the GOP has given up. How do I know? Republican gubernatorial candidate Bruce Rauner and Republican congressional candidate Bob Dold are BOTH running ads promoting their pro-choice bonafides.

113 WhatEVs  Oct 1, 2014 9:04:11pm

re: #112 bratwurst

Good. It would break my heart if my home state lost its shit.

Never discount the down-staters, though.

114 Mattand  Oct 1, 2014 9:07:48pm

re: #110 WhatEVs

Care to share? I wasn’t watching.

Colbert roundly shit all over Bill O’s “Let’s hire 25,000 mercenaries to wipe out ISIS” plan last week. Bill, idiot that he is, thought the best course of action was to lash out at Colbert on air.

Colbert basically curb stomped him. Check it out on the CC website tomorrow. Definitely worth it.

115 De Kolta Chair  Oct 1, 2014 9:08:13pm

re: #100 b.d.

Yep, I’ve about had it with Chuck

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Sue it, shoot it, it’s all the same to Chuckles.

116 WhatEVs  Oct 1, 2014 9:08:54pm

re: #114 Mattand

Colbert roundly shit all over Bill O’s “Let’s hire 25,000 mercenaries to wipe out ISIS” last week. Bill, idiot that he is, thought the best course of action was to lash out at Colbert on air.

Colbert basically curb stomped him. Check it out on the CC website tomorrow. Definitely worth it.

Great! Thanks!

I thought it was an interview.

117 goddamnedfrank  Oct 1, 2014 9:20:35pm

118 WhatEVs  Oct 1, 2014 9:31:22pm
119 goddamnedfrank  Oct 1, 2014 9:31:22pm

This one is special:

Nothing sadder than a teenage Republican. Except maybe Boy Scouts trying to sell popcorn and people who liked Entourage.

120 WhatEVs  Oct 1, 2014 9:39:08pm

re: #119 goddamnedfrank

Unless that choice involves a uterus. Then you ,the individual, are irrelevant.

And what’s wrong with either banning plastic bags or legalizing pot?

Tea Party parents raising confused Tea Party kids.

121 goddamnedfrank  Oct 1, 2014 9:49:22pm

re: #120 WhatEVs

Unless that choice involves a uterus.

Or marrying someone of the same gender.

122 sagehen  Oct 1, 2014 9:51:18pm

re: #75 FemNaziBitch

I’m gonna try Peaky Blinders, if I hate it, I might have to start with the Star Trek series TOS and just keep on going.

bbl

Have you seen all of Torchwood?

The first two seasons are case of the week eps with a B-plot season-long arc; season 3 (“Children of Earth”) is 5 hours, one excellent story; season 4 (“Miracle Day”) is 10 hours, one pretty good story (including Americans).

It’s part of the Whoniverse, but you don’t have to have ever watched Doctor Who to enjoy it. It might actually be better if you’re not a Whovian, it’s a much different tone.

123 WhatEVs  Oct 1, 2014 10:00:59pm

re: #122 sagehen

Torchwood is a fantastic series. And I’m not a Dr. Who fan (no jeers, please.)

124 WhatEVs  Oct 1, 2014 10:02:58pm

re: #122 sagehen

Luther is another great series. As is Longmire.

125 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 1, 2014 10:03:17pm

re: #119 goddamnedfrank

Plastic bags get banned because it harms the earth and the atmosphere, but pot is legalized.

Her Tweets suggest that Miss Utt has been smoking plastic bags.

126 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 1, 2014 10:08:54pm

The College Republicans should study the campaign ads in Brazil for creative ideas. nytimes.com

CNN International had a piece on them, too, but there’s no link yet.

One candidate is dressed as a clown. Another, as Jesus.

The presidential race is more serious, pitting the incumbent, Dilma Rousseff, against Marina Silva, an Afro-Brazilian woman from a poor area of the Amazon interior, against each other. Silva is running a strong campaign, but Rousseff is favored to win in this weekend’s elections.

Silva was illiterate until age 16, suffered from malaria and other diseases several times, but was able to get an education. She graduated from university at 26, and became politically active. Her family are rubber-tappers — extracting sap from rubber trees. en.wikipedia.org

If she wins, she’d be Brazil’s first black president, among other firsts.

127 TedStriker  Oct 1, 2014 10:15:12pm

re: #111 WhatEVs

I just read that Tracy Morgan is in a wheelchair and might never walk again. That’s so sad.

And that Wal-Mart’s lawyers are saying that it’s his fault because he wasn’t wearing a seat belt when one of their semis, likely fully loaded, slammed into the rear of the limo bus that he was in, also killing one of his best friends.

128 TedStriker  Oct 1, 2014 10:16:24pm

re: #119 goddamnedfrank

This one is special:

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Nothing sadder than a teenage Republican. Except maybe Boy Scouts trying to sell popcorn and people who liked Entourage.

Hey, don’t be dissing our popcorn!

/

129 WhatEVs  Oct 1, 2014 10:19:09pm

re: #127 TedStriker

And that Wal-Mart’s lawyers are saying that it’s his fault because he wasn’t wearing a seat belt when one of their semis, likely fully loaded, slammed into the rear of the limo bus that he was in.

Despicable. But par for the course.

130 goddamnedfrank  Oct 1, 2014 10:33:23pm

re: #128 TedStriker

Hey, don’t be dissing our popcorn!

/

It makes me feel bad for Boy Scouts when I see their sad faces trying to sell that shit. For one thing, the prices are horrendous. For another, it’s microwave popcorn.

I realize that the Girl Scouts got to the cookies idea first and all, but there has to be some kind of better option for the Boys. Like make the kids go out, stalk and kill their own deer, dry, season and sell the meat as jerky. People would be talking about that shit everywhere if it went down. I don’t even like the Scouts as an org because of the bigotry, but if a bunch of blood stained kids were selling freshly killed wildlife jerky outside the local Albertson’s they’d certainly have my fucking attention.

131 sagehen  Oct 1, 2014 10:40:59pm

re: #130 goddamnedfrank

but if a bunch of blood stained kids were selling freshly killed wildlife jerky outside the local Albertson’s they’d certainly have my fucking attention.

Wild boar is considered a pest species, right? It’s year-round hunting, no license required, so Civics Merit Badge for doing the county a favor by removing however many they take out (and Christian Points because pork).

132 ausador  Oct 1, 2014 10:48:33pm
133 goddamnedfrank  Oct 1, 2014 10:49:02pm

re: #131 sagehen

Wild boar is considered a pest species, right? It’s year-round hunting, no license required, so Civics Merit Badge for doing the county a favor by removing however many they take out (and Christian Points because pork).

Fuck yeah, good call. And make them hunt the pigs with spears as well, Lord of the Flies style. Membership would probably go way up if kids were promised an opportunity the viciously stab something to death and process its corpse for food, and at a profit no less.

134 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 1, 2014 10:49:29pm

The Boy Scouts could sell cookies as long as the cookies had suitably butch names such as Peanut Butter Frags, or Strawberry Head Shots, or Gangrene Mint Thins.

135 Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 1, 2014 10:51:29pm

When I first saw this thread posted I thought it read: “w/ Marco Minneman and Bryan Fischer”

136 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 1, 2014 10:53:52pm

re: #135 Eclectic Cyborg

When I first saw this thread posted I thought it read: “w/ Marco Minneman and Bryan Fischer”

Bryan Fischer doesn’t play an instrument because he is one.

137 The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 1, 2014 11:20:11pm

re: #136 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Bryan Fischer doesn’t play an instrument because he is one.

I didn’t realize “reactionary cockbag” was an instrument.

Brass or woodwind?

138 ausador  Oct 1, 2014 11:25:19pm

I think this would kinda creep me out if I found it while diving and didn’t know what it was…

What the heck?

Jason deCaires Taylor is an English sculptor born in the year 1974, and focuses mainly on underwater contemporary work. Over time, his work develops into coral reefs (artificial). This particular piece of work is located in Cancun, Mexico.

Looks like something they would use as a portal to another dimension in a video game.

139 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 2, 2014 12:23:49am

So, today a video of this Japanese teenage drummer was pushed to my cellphone, and I decided she was worth investigating. I present to you Senri Kawaguchi, age 17.

Youtube Video

She’s been drumming since age 6, and studied under a famous drum master in Japan. As a non-drummer, I think she’s pretty damn good. Maybe some more experienced drummers can weigh in.

The rest of the quartet are pretty good, too.

140 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 2, 2014 12:34:05am

And another video of Senri Kawaguchi, playing with a rock band in Japan.

Youtube Video

141 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 2, 2014 12:46:31am

One more, because I think the guitarist’s technique is interesting. At one point, he uses his watch as a guitar slide.

Yes, he is blind.

A cover of Jeff Beck’s “Scatterbrain.”

Youtube Video

142 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 2, 2014 2:02:20am

re: #102 teleskiguy

Ted Cruz’s speechwriter Amanda Carpenter retweeted this:

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There are a lot of very terrified people out there for her to assuage: Ebola taps into those wellsprings of racism, xenophobia and nameless/faceless fear and rage that the RW has been nurturing for years now.

143 freetoken  Oct 2, 2014 3:13:17am

re: #139 wheat-dogghazi

The saxophonist has had some success herself:
yukikoonishi.com

The keyboard player is on twitter:
twitter.com
and she herself is only 25 now (and that video you posted is from some time back.)

The bass player is harder to find.

144 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 2, 2014 3:48:22am

re: #143 freetoken

The saxophonist has had some success herself:
yukikoonishi.com

The keyboard player is on twitter:
twitter.com
and she herself is only 25 now (and that video you posted is from some time back.)

The bass player is harder to find.

Good bass players are hard to find. We are looking for one to play gigs with us in and around Frankfurt (Germany) if you know of one: Stones, REM, Springsteen, Van Morrison, etc…

145 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 4:19:21am

re: #119 goddamnedfrank

This one is special:

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Nothing sadder than a teenage Republican. Except maybe Boy Scouts trying to sell popcorn and people who liked Entourage.

Inez Feltscher has locked her Twitter account. I guess she was being hit with too many facts.

146 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 4:20:45am

The fog is so thick outside it’s too dangerous to drive.

I’m working from home and I’ll drive in when it clears up.

147 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 2, 2014 4:22:59am

re: #143 freetoken

The saxophonist has had some success herself:
yukikoonishi.com

The keyboard player is on twitter:
twitter.com
and she herself is only 25 now (and that video you posted is from some time back.)

The bass player is harder to find.

So I guessed. Senri’s been performing since she was 6, so there’s a lot of videos of her out there.

148 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 2, 2014 4:26:26am

re: #144 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I thought about taking up bass ages ago, but never followed through.

149 Timothy Watson  Oct 2, 2014 4:30:36am

re: #119 goddamnedfrank

This one is special:

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Nothing sadder than a teenage Republican. Except maybe Boy Scouts trying to sell popcorn and people who liked Entourage.

Uh…and who or what does pot harm? Honestly, how fraking dense do you have to be? Say what you will about libertarians, but at least they’re logically consistent when it comes to marijuana.

150 Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2014 4:36:05am

Same day that the STLC prosecutor’s office announces the investigation complete, this happens:

I’m trying to find a news outlet reporting it, but word on twitter is also that the STLCPD police chief has confirmed no report into the shooting will be released to the public unless A) the grand jury fails to indict or B) the case goes to court.

151 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 2, 2014 4:37:45am

re: #145 Pie-onist Overlord

Inez Feltscher has locked her Twitter account. I guess she was being hit with too many facts.

I’ve heard her name before, probably here at LGF. She’s yet another “conserva-girl” commentator for the RW media, a UVa law school student and “Constitutional conservative.” She’s like Coulter, Ingraham, Cupp and other conserva-girls — facts only get in the way of their narrative.

She likes to wear big eyeglasses with no lenses, like some kids do in Japan and China to look “smart.”

152 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 4:39:05am

re: #151 wheat-dogghazi

I’ve heard her name before, probably here at LGF. She’s yet another “conserva-girl” commentator for the RW media, a UVa law school student and “Constitutional conservative.” She’s like Coulter, Ingraham, Cupp and other conserva-girls — facts only get in the way of their narrative.

She likes to wear big eyeglasses with no lenses, like some kids do in Japan and China to look “smart.”

I made fun of her for a while but then lost interest because she is so freaking lame.

153 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 2, 2014 4:40:58am

re: #152 Pie-onist Overlord

I made fun of her for a while but then lost interest because she is so freaking lame.

I think in some ways she’s still a teenager, and assumes she’s always right. I don’t pay her any attention myself.

154 Timothy Watson  Oct 2, 2014 4:43:54am

re: #151 wheat-dogghazi

She likes to wear big eyeglasses with no lenses, like some kids do in Japan and China to look “smart.”

Or Rick Perry?

155 Varek Raith  Oct 2, 2014 4:53:24am

A squirrel dropped an acorn on my head.
Why?
/

156 Frenchy  Oct 2, 2014 4:53:46am

re: #102 teleskiguy

Re: The first tweet, of course, because HURR HURR GUV. PERRY AND SEN. CRUZ ARE BIG TOUGH MANLY MEN WHO WILL STRANGLE EBOLA WITH THEIR BARE HANDS, NOT LIKE THAT LIMP-WRISTED GIRLY MAN WE GOT IN THE WHITE HOUSE OR IN THESE WUSSY STATES LIKE WASHINGTON AND CALIFORNIA!1!

157 Timothy Watson  Oct 2, 2014 4:55:53am

re: #155 Varek Raith

A squirrel dropped an acorn on my head.
Why?
/

They’re vicious rodents?
/

158 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 2, 2014 4:57:28am

Ebola is spreading so rapidly throughout Africa because they have almost no sort of health care system. Now that it has reached America, the costs of containing and dealing with it could potentially exceed what it would have cost us to help Africa build and equip more hospitals and clinics…

There is a lesson to be learned in there somewhere, but I expect it will be drowned out by all the xenophobic, racist ranting.

159 sattv4u2  Oct 2, 2014 4:58:40am

re: #155 Varek Raith

A squirrel dropped an acorn on my head.
Why?
/

They wanted to see which nut would crack??

160 Frenchy  Oct 2, 2014 4:59:37am

re: #158 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Sorry, but you’re wrong, it won’t be contained. Chuck C. Johnson say it airborne, we’re all gonna die.
//

161 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 2, 2014 5:02:53am

re: #160 Frenchy

Sorry, but you’re wrong, it won’t be contained. Chuck C. Johnson say it airborne, we’re all gonna die.
//

Seriously, though, the more it spreads, the harder is will become to keep Ebola carriers from entering the USA, the costs for security will also be more than what it would cost to train and equip medical personnel in Africa.

We have allowed a humanitarian catastrophe to occur and now it is coming to bite us in the butt.

162 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 5:16:53am

Chuck C. Johnson is a low-rent Glenn Greenwald wannabee, except without Glenn’s charming personality and mad investigative journalism skills and Pierre’s money.

163 Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2014 5:24:21am

re: #155 Varek Raith

A squirrel dropped an acorn on my head.
Why?
/

That’s just Isaac Newsquirrel. Always pulling that shit.

164 Belafon  Oct 2, 2014 5:27:27am

re: #106 Kragar

I was thinking last night: Nothing says ignorant population and poor healthcare - the two conditions necessary for a spread of Ebola - than Texas.

And yes, I live in the state, in the Dallas area. One of my friends that works in a clinic in a suburb got calls yesterday, and my wife, who works in a clinic in the northern part of Dallas, is expecting a rush of calls today.

165 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 5:28:23am

I made it in to work :)

Still thick fog outside but it’s easier to drive in daylight. I could not see the Headquarters building from the freeway. That is some serious thick fog, like driving through smoke.

166 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2014 5:31:07am

The next Ebola strategy is to go for cute.

giantmicrobes.com

167 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2014 5:32:58am

re: #165 Pie-onist Overlord

I made it in to work :)

Still thick fog outside but it’s easier to drive in daylight. I could not see the Headquarters building from the freeway. That is some serious thick fog, like driving through smoke.

If there’s an east wind that’s the remains of the playoff dreams wafting in from Pittsburgh.

168 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 5:34:19am

Tigers against Baltimore tonight.

169 Bubblehead II  Oct 2, 2014 5:34:38am

WTFITS. The Harpy is at it again.

Lawsuit filed after ‘Killing Jews’ ads rejected

NEW YORK (AP) — A pro-Israel group sued the city’s transit authority on Wednesday, asking a court to force it to accept a bus advertisement including the phrase “Hamas Killing Jews” after it was rejected on the grounds its display could incite violence.

170 A Mom Anon  Oct 2, 2014 5:35:06am

re: #158 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Perhaps this might change some stupid people’s minds about spending money on our healthcare infrastructure across the board. Maybe some of those rural hospitals that closed can be re-opened and properly staffed, maybe idiots will stop making fun of scientific research (OMG why are we studying fruit flies, in PARIS, FRANCE!!! What a waste of money!) , maybe some of them might try to read and understand actual science.

I know, I know, what most likely will happen is the following:

1-100: Blame Obama for the Obola outbreak!!!
101: Look for magical quack cures on the internet, endorsed by Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.
102: Look to the Drudge Report and The Blaze for health information.
103: Watch as Congress tries to pass laws allowing for internment of anyone from Africa. Or ban flights to and from the continent.
104-eleventy billion: Blame liberals, be scared, be VERY VERY SCARED, make poor decisions based on panic and shitty info, lather, rinse, repeat.

171 Frenchy  Oct 2, 2014 5:35:16am

re: #162 Pie-onist Overlord

Chuck C. Johnson is a low-rent Glenn Greenwald wannabee, except without Glenn’s charming any personality and mad investigative or journalism skills and Pierre’s or any money.

FIFY

172 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 5:35:43am

re: #169 Bubblehead II

WTFITS. The Harpy is at it again.

Lawsuit filed after ‘Killing Jews’ ads rejected

NEW YORK (AP) — A pro-Israel group sued the city’s transit authority on Wednesday, asking a court to force it to accept a bus advertisement including the phrase “Hamas Killing Jews” after it was rejected on the grounds its display could incite violence.

I wish they would not call her a “pro-Israel” group. She is anti-Muslim, period.

173 Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2014 5:36:04am
174 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 5:37:29am

re: #171 Frenchy

FIFY

Or you could also say that Glenn Greenwald is just like Chuck C Johnson, except with a charming personality//->means NOT and wild investigative journalism skillz//—>means NOT and Pierre’s money.

175 A Mom Anon  Oct 2, 2014 5:39:02am

re: #166 Feline Fearless Leader

If I had the money, I would send one of those to every idiot wingnut I know. With a card, “yes, a dirty hippie liberal just gave you Ebola” .Sadly, I’d go broke before I got to them all.

I know, I’m so going to hell for that. It’s not funny, but OMG I’m surrounded by this shit and it’s just making me crazy.

176 Bubblehead II  Oct 2, 2014 5:43:04am

re: #172 Pie-onist Overlord

I wish they would not call her a “pro-Israel” group. She is anti-Muslim, period.

Yep. SPLC has a real nice piece on her.

177 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 2, 2014 5:43:19am

re: #173 Targetpractice

Courtesy of the worst socialist president in the world - evah!

178 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 2, 2014 5:45:33am

As many as 80 people had some contact with man diagnosed in Texas with Ebola virus, officials tell US media

Good luck with that containment thing…

179 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 5:48:24am

AND U KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THEN?
SANTA ANA & THE MEXICANS CAME & TOOK IT!

180 Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2014 5:50:23am

re: #179 Pie-onist Overlord

AND U KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THEN?
SANTA ANA & THE MEXICANS CAME & TOOK IT!

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Hey, remember the Alamo (except that whole part about how the defenders were killed to the last man)!

181 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 5:50:56am

Well, allegedly the Dallas ebola patient threw up on the sidewalk so now they’re trying to find everyone who might have touched that vomit.

ATTENTION PEOPLE! IF YOU LIKE TO TOUCH VOMIT YOU MIGHT HAVE TOUCHED EBOLA VOMIT!!!!!!

182 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 2, 2014 5:51:00am

re: #180 Targetpractice

Hey, remember the Alamo (except that whole part about how the defenders were killed to the last man)!

Mission accomplished!!!

183 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 5:51:17am

re: #180 Targetpractice

Hey, remember the Alamo (except that whole part about how the defenders were killed to the last man)!

Just like the 300 Spartans were all killed by the Persians.

184 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 2, 2014 5:53:11am

re: #181 Pie-onist Overlord

Well, allegedly the Dallas ebola patient threw up on the sidewalk so now they’re trying to find everyone who might have touched that vomit.

ATTENTION PEOPLE! IF YOU LIKE TO TOUCH VOMIT YOU MIGHT HAVE TOUCHED EBOLA VOMIT!!!!!!

Can dogs get ebola?

185 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2014 5:54:09am

Neat. Close fly-by to the office windows by two peregrine falcons just now.

186 Lidane  Oct 2, 2014 5:54:22am

*headdesk*

187 sattv4u2  Oct 2, 2014 5:55:19am

re: #185 Feline Fearless Leader

Neat. Close fly-by to the office windows by two peregrine falcons just now.

Those were pigeons

It’s almost Halloween and they were just trying out their peregrine falcons costumes!!!

188 b.d.  Oct 2, 2014 5:56:03am

re: #179 Pie-onist Overlord

AND U KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THEN?
SANTA ANA & THE MEXICANS CAME & TOOK IT!

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Can we replace that image of a cannon with an image of the Ebola virus?

189 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 2, 2014 5:57:32am

re: #179 Pie-onist Overlord

AND U KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THEN?
SANTA ANA & THE MEXICANS CAME & TOOK IT!

Sshhh! You’re not supposed to have remembered that. It spoils the narrative.

190 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 5:57:54am

re: #186 Lidane

*headdesk*

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He must have watched NCIS: New Orleans last Tuesday night.

191 Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2014 5:59:36am

re: #183 Pie-onist Overlord

Just like the 300 Spartans were all killed by the Persians.

Better yet, I wonder if Sen. Fuckwit would like to be reminded that the Confederates sent the same message to the Union soldiers at Fort Sumter and got the same response back.

192 b.d.  Oct 2, 2014 6:00:15am

re: #179 Pie-onist Overlord

AND U KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THEN?
SANTA ANA & THE MEXICANS CAME & TOOK IT!

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They actually didn’t take it. The cannon was about a foot long, the cannon on that flag is actual size. The Texians buried it and the moron settlers were so drunken and belligerent that the handful of Mexican soldiers that came to get it just left. There was one casualty, one Texian fell off of his horse, more than likely drunk. That’s the story.

193 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 6:02:42am

This is the Stupidest Meme I Have Seen All Day but of course it’s still early:

194 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 2, 2014 6:03:31am

“Liberal vegan” to these people means “FOOD FASCIST”.

I am sure there are some extremists who would have all meat or animal products banned, but for most, it is a matter of personal choice.

195 Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2014 6:03:59am

re: #193 Pie-onist Overlord

This is the Stupidest Meme I Have Seen All Day but of course it’s still early:

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Headdesk

196 b.d.  Oct 2, 2014 6:04:07am

re: #193 Pie-onist Overlord

That’s pretty dumb

197 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 2, 2014 6:04:09am

Good morning lizards!

Here, have a T-Rex covered in Pink Flamingos…

T-Rex under attack by Pink Flamingos

198 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 6:06:38am

re: #194 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

“Liberal vegan” to these people means “FOOD FASCIST”.

I am sure there are some extremists who would have all meat or animal products banned, but for most, it is a matter of personal choice.

I don’t care if people flip burgers or empty garbage cans or assemble Amazon orders, they should all be paid a decent wage.

199 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 6:08:12am

Speaking of “food fascists” last night’s “South Park” episode was HILARIOUS.

Zedushka kept saying “that’s so vulgar, that’s so gross” but HE LAUGHED HIS FREAKING HEAD OFF every time another penis flew off due to gluten-eating.

200 Schadenboner  Oct 2, 2014 6:08:31am

re: #179 Pie-onist Overlord

AND U KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THEN?
SANTA ANA & THE MEXICANS CAME & TOOK IT!

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Between the Alamo and the flag of the War of Southern Treason Texans *do* seem to have a fetish for symbols of their (many, many) ignominious military defeats and political failures, don’t they?

Deeply unhealthy people. It’s a pity that wellbutrin can’t be delivered by crop duster, it might help.

Also, my wife spent a month in San Antonio for work once, the Alamo is pretty goddamn unimpressive.

201 Lidane  Oct 2, 2014 6:08:58am

re: #194 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Honestly the only people I find tiresome are the raw foods types because ZOMG COOKING IZ TEH EBIL and the non-celiac people who avoid gluten to lose weight.

Vegans? Pfft. As long as they don’t come between me and my sushi platter at lunch, we’re good.

202 Lidane  Oct 2, 2014 6:09:48am

re: #199 Pie-onist Overlord

Speaking of “food fascists” last night’s “South Park” episode was HILARIOUS.

Zedushka kept saying “that’s so vulgar, that’s so gross” but HE LAUGHED HIS FREAKING HEAD OFF every time another penis flew off due to gluten-eating.

I still haven’t seen that episode. I would’ve watched it last night but I’ve been sleeping lousy these last few days so I went to bed early.

I’ll catch it tonight.

203 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 6:11:55am

re: #202 Lidane

I still haven’t seen that episode. I would’ve watched it last night but I’ve been sleeping lousy these last few days so I went to bed early.

I’ll catch it tonight.

The “Washington Redskins” episode was also good.

204 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 2, 2014 6:12:10am

re: #201 Lidane

Honestly the only people I find tiresome are the raw foods types because ZOMG COOKING IZ TEH EBIL and the non-celiac people who avoid gluten to lose weight.

Vegans? Pfft. As long as they don’t come between me and my sushi platter at lunch, we’re good.

Americans have an almost infantile fixation on bodily orifices, what comes out of them and what we put into them. That is why any discussion of food and/or sexual preferences almost immediately goes off the rails

I generally do not care about what other people put into their orifices or what comes out of them if it does not affect me directly.

205 b.d.  Oct 2, 2014 6:15:02am

re: #200 Schadenboner

Between the Alamo and the flag of the War of Southern Treason they *do* seem to have a fetish for symbols of their ignominious military and political failures, don’t they?

Deeply, deeply unhealthy people from a social psychopathology standpoint.

Also, my wife spent a month in San Antonio for work once, the Alamo is pretty goddamn unimpressive.

Did you go to the basement?

206 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 6:15:10am

re: #201 Lidane

Honestly the only people I find tiresome are the raw foods types because ZOMG COOKING IZ TEH EBIL and the non-celiac people who avoid gluten to lose weight.

Vegans? Pfft. As long as they don’t come between me and my sushi platter at lunch, we’re good.

I read an article in National Geographic (or maybe it was Smithsonian?) a couple of years ago that the discovery of cooking was a major step in human evolution. Many raw foods are not easily metabolized by the body and require cooking in order to obtain maximum nutritional benefit.

207 Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2014 6:15:49am

So this happened…

Then, right wing stalker…

And left wing stalker…

208 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2014 6:16:44am

Fours teens arrested in case involving slaughter of ~900 chickens at chicken farm.

nbcbayarea.com

I posted a link to the initial report yesterday with my guess that teens and/or alcohol would be involved.

209 urbanmeemaw  Oct 2, 2014 6:18:02am

re: #17 Kid A

It just got awfully quiet in Pittsburgh.

Sorry about the Bucs. While I like the Pirates, I can live with a Giant victory.

Actually, I’m rooting for the generic “Not The Cardinals”. It’s a “Cincinnati Thang”.

210 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 6:18:37am

re: #207 Charles Johnson

So this happened…

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One thing I’ve learned about Twitter is that if you report a stalker Twitter will automatically toss your complaint unless you are the stalkee.

211 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2014 6:18:58am

re: #206 Pie-onist Overlord

I read an article in National Geographic (or maybe it was Smithsonian?) a couple of years ago that the discovery of cooking was a major step in human evolution. Many raw foods are not easily metabolized by the body and require cooking in order to obtain maximum nutritional benefit.

Michael Pollan’s _Cooked: A Natural History of Transformation_ (2013) goes heavily into this thesis. It was an interesting read.

212 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 2, 2014 6:21:25am

re: #211 Feline Fearless Leader

Michael Pollan’s _Cooked: A Natural History of Transformation_ (2013) goes heavily into this thesis. It was an interesting read.

It’s just a shame that the invention of cooking led to the invention of Boiling the Living Snot out of Everything Until it is Nearly Nutitionally Useless and Tasteless.

213 nsmith25  Oct 2, 2014 6:21:46am

Sad here at school today.

One of our Guidance Counselors passed away very unexpectedly last night. She had three kids, one who is a current student at our school. Just a great human being. She helped so many so much. We have only about 800 students, and the school community is close-knit. Being a religious private school, we had a prayer service at the start of the day. Classes are silent. No hustle and bustle in the hallways. Grief counselors present. Just an overall sad day.

214 b.d.  Oct 2, 2014 6:22:36am

re: #207 Charles Johnson

So this happened…

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Must be interesting times at the Charles Johnson hate club conventions.

215 Frenchy  Oct 2, 2014 6:24:19am

re: #193 Pie-onist Overlord

Welp, my head is exploded. And I’m not even vegan, or THAT liberal, honestly.

216 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2014 6:25:30am

re: #212 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It’s just a shame that the invention of cooking led to the invention of Boiling the Living Snot out of Everything Until it is Nearly Nutitionally Useless and Tasteless.

That was the English contribution, wasn’t it?

Pollan pointed out that perhaps the defining characteristic of “man” is not tool use, but that we cook.

The book is divided into sections by the classic elements; fire, water, earth, etc. and he looks at grilling/smoking, braising, baking, and fermenting in the corresponding sections.

217 Schadenboner  Oct 2, 2014 6:25:45am

re: #205 b.d.

Did you go to the basement?

I’d have to ask but I don’t think she did. She was more interested in using her per diem to hunt down the perfect salsa verde.

218 lawhawk  Oct 2, 2014 6:27:49am

Health authorities in Dallas are now reporting that up to 80 people had indirect contact with the patient with Ebola; they’re being monitored and isolated for symptoms, which can develop in up to three weeks after exposure.

“The only people being monitored are the family members,” Thompson told The Dallas Morning News. “Anybody else is being interviewed as possible contacts. That’s what you’re looking at.”
He said there are 80 possible contacts, but health officials have said that only 12 to 18 people, including five Dallas ISD students and three paramedics, have come in direct contact with Duncan.
“If you go to a restaurant and people got sick and there were 50 people who were there, we’d have to interview all 50,” he said. “It doesn’t mean anyone else got sick. If two got sick, we’d have to contact the other 48. In this case there’s possible contact with the family members. But no one has any symptoms.”
Officials said the order to have the family stay put in the Ivy Apartments on Fair Oaks Avenue was issued “out of an abundance of caution” and was hand-delivered to the family Wednesday night.
“We have tried and true protocols to protect the public and stop the spread of this disease,” said Dr. David Lakey, Texas health commissioner. “This order gives us the ability to monitor the situation in the most meticulous way.”

The best way to contain the epidemic is to fight it at its source - and it’s a losing proposition as I’ve pointed out - and which the New York Times makes blindingly clear - the health care infrastructure is all but collapsed in parts of the affected countries of West Africa, and the influx of health experts from the West, China, and Cuba isn’t going to be enough.

219 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 6:31:41am
220 Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2014 6:32:42am

@MonaHol is now having a conversation with the loon who’s impersonating me, apparently thinking it’s me.

221 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 6:33:18am

*LIGHTS DESK ON FIRE*

222 Frenchy  Oct 2, 2014 6:34:08am

re: #219 Pie-onist Overlord

Wait, you tryin’ to tell me that all the good guys with guns we have brandishing their assault rifles in the local TGI Friday’s aren’t just like the heroes who fought in WWII?

223 urbanmeemaw  Oct 2, 2014 6:36:11am

re: #97 teleskiguy

Good grief! Burlington is a “things like that aren’t supposed to happen here” bastion of White World. What IS the world coming to?

224 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 6:37:43am

Wingnuts seriously do not know the difference between “a random bunch of civilians with guns” and “the combined abilities of the entire Allied & Soviet military”

225 Lidane  Oct 2, 2014 6:39:35am
226 lawhawk  Oct 2, 2014 6:40:23am

It’s also interesting watching the conservatives and right wingers attacking Obama over his assurances that Ebola was unlikely to get into the US on flights.

Let’s unpack this shall we?

1) The person who has Ebola was asymptomatic on the flight. He wasn’t feverish, wasn’t vomiting, and wasn’t showing any symptoms. Do we keep that person off the flight to the US, which wasn’t even a direct flight from the region?

2) How many other diseases have symptoms that mimic those of Ebola. I’ll wait. You might have to go through a lot of diseases first - including common colds, the flu, and even malaria.

3) A person is only capable of spreading the disease when the person is symptomatic.

4) It appears that the hospital screwed up - they released him even though he apparently told the intake nurse he’d been in Liberia. That’s a major problem. That failure allowed additional potential and actual exposures.

Those persons are now being monitored for symptoms. That includes family members, who would have been exposed in any event.

5) Shutting down airline travel to the region will have only minimal impacts in the US since there are few direct flights. Stopping even indirect flights will actually have a net negative effect because vital personnel going in-out of the region, let alone food and supplies, to say nothing of Ebola-related containment equipment, testing gear, and samples for further examination would be delayed or detained indefinitely.

The best way to stop the spread of the disease by air means addressing this at the source. I’m spitballing here, but a quarantine period of 3 weeks before leaving the country might be a good idea - that’d give a chance for authorities to definitively clear someone for travel. The problem, as I’ve mentioned before is that there’s so few doctors in the region and the authorities are stretched so thin that it’s tough to get those rules in place.

There’s also a real concern about how waste from Ebola isolation treatment here in the US is being disposed of. The CDC and hospitals are working on setting up a protocol for sterilizing the medical wastes, some of which can contain highly infectious bodily fluids. That includes the use of autoclaves and incineration.

227 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 2, 2014 6:41:31am

re: #224 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts seriously do not know the difference between “a random bunch of civilians with guns” and “the combined abilities of the entire Allied & Soviet military”

And that the combined militaries of Poland, Denmark, Holland, France, Norway and Britian weren’t able to stop them until helped by the US Army & the Red Army?

And that there is a hella difference between one man trained as an LEO taking down one bad guy and multimillions under arms?

228 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 6:41:47am

re: #226 lawhawk

4) It appears that the hospital screwed up - they released him even though he apparently told the intake nurse he’d been in Liberia. That’s a major problem. That failure allowed additional potential and actual exposures.

They probably did not want to admit him since he had no insurance and no ability to pay.

229 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 2, 2014 6:42:00am

re: #225 Lidane

Giving girls free IUDs can cut pregnancy and abortion rates by more than 75%

and increase sinful sluttiness by 2500%

/

230 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 2, 2014 6:42:35am

re: #225 Lidane

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That would make too much sense.

But it would make the basis of an interesting secular “coming of age” ritual like on Beta Colony in the Vorkosigan series.

231 Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2014 6:42:35am

re: #206 Pie-onist Overlord

I read an article in National Geographic (or maybe it was Smithsonian?) a couple of years ago that the discovery of cooking was a major step in human evolution. Many raw foods are not easily metabolized by the body and require cooking in order to obtain maximum nutritional benefit.

A very important book to 70s anthros was “The Raw and the Cooked” by Claude Levi-Strauss. Don’t know how well it has held up.

amazon.com

232 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 6:43:03am

re: #227 William Barnett-Lewis

And that the combined militaries of Poland, Denmark, Holland, France, Norway and Britian weren’t able to stop them until helped by the US Army & the Red Army?

And that there is a hella difference between one man trained as an LEO taking down one bad guy and multimillions under arms?

Because of this fantasy the wingnuts have that a bunch of random civilians with guns could have stopped the Holocaust.

A bunch of random civilians with guns would have volunteered to go and round up Teh Juice! (which they in fact did)

233 Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2014 6:44:58am

re: #210 Pie-onist Overlord

One thing I’ve learned about Twitter is that if you report a stalker Twitter will automatically toss your complaint unless you are the stalkee.

I was told by someone that you can check the box that says you’re an authorized representative of the person, and they’ll then accept the complaint without requiring confirmation.

234 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 6:48:19am

The fact is this is their black and white worldview in action. A gun will stop tyranny blah blah blah. A gun would have prevented the Holocaust. Let’s remember that most of the Nazi’s victims were not Germans and that any foreign military occupation was going to ban firearms. Instead of blaming gun control and evolution for the Holocaust, the wingnuts should actually be looking at the role of scapegoating, age old religious bigotry that went back generations before Darwin, and modern industrial might. Those three things are why the Holocaust happened not because of gun control or Darwin’s theories.

235 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 6:53:12am

re: #234 HappyWarrior

The fact is this is their black and white worldview in action. A gun will stop tyranny blah blah blah. A gun would have prevented the Holocaust. Let’s remember that most of the Nazi’s victims were not Germans and that any foreign military occupation was going to ban firearms. Instead of blaming gun control and evolution for the Holocaust, the wingnuts should actually be looking at the role of scapegoating, age old religious bigotry that went back generations before Darwin, and modern industrial might. Those three things are why the Holocaust happened not because of gun control or Darwin’s theories.

That would require, ya know, actual studying of history and facts.

236 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 2, 2014 6:53:16am

I have a feeling something is going to happen in Hong Kong soon and it’s not going to be good.

237 Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2014 6:53:22am

By the way, I hereby authorize any LGF reader to file abuse complaints at Twitter if they notice stalkers targeting me or Gus or Alouette or any other LGF contributor.

If they contact me to check I’ll confirm it with them.

238 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 2, 2014 6:53:35am

re: #229 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

and increase sinful sluttiness by 2500%

/

In the last episode of Downton Abbey (I confess I’m hooked), Lady Mary is planning a week-long rendezvous with Terry Gillingham. She asks her maid, Anna, to go to the druggist to buy “protection.” The year is 1924. Neither woman uses the actual word; they talk around the issue and point to an illustration in a book. Mary is unmarried, so she doesn’t want to visit the local druggist, but Anna is married (and actually childless so far), so she agrees to go. When she sees the male pharmacist behind the counter, she asks for a woman to wait on her. Anna gives her a fake story about having 6 kids and, worried about health, she wants to prevent another pregnancy. The starchy lady sells her the item and Anna bolts out of the shop without scooping up her change and the instructions for the item’s use.

We’ve come a long ways in 90 years, but some RW prudes would still like to make contraception a source of shame and humiliation, as it was in 1924.

I wondered if the book referred to in the episode was Margaret Sanger’s.

239 lawhawk  Oct 2, 2014 6:54:21am

re: #228 Pie-onist Overlord

Well, if that is the case, then the hospital could be on the hook for a whole lot more now - given all the other potential exposures involved.

And if it can be shown that the issue was insurance, then the hospital broke federal law - Emergency Medical and Treatment Labor Act (EMTLA). EMTLA, passed way back in 1986, prohibits the denial of care to indigent or uninsured patients based on a lack of ability to pay. Hospitals can’t use unnecessary transfers while care is administered, and prevents suspension of care once initiated.

If it can be shown that the hospital basically engaged in patient dumping, then they could be on the hook for some serious liability - civil and criminal.

But this is Texas we’re talking about, and they would prefer if you raise yourself by your bootstraps into your own coffin.

240 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 6:54:26am

re: #235 Pie-onist Overlord

That would require, ya know, actual studying of history and facts.

Yeah I know, I am asking too much of them.

241 Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2014 6:54:40am

re: #226 lawhawk

These posts would make another great page, btw.

242 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 6:55:17am

re: #238 wheat-dogghazi

In the last episode of Downton Abbey (I confess I’m hooked), Lady Mary is planning a week-long rendezvous with Terry Gillingham. She asks her maid, Anna, to go to the druggist to buy “protection.” The year is 1924. Neither woman uses the actual word; they talk around the issue and point to an illustration in a book. Mary is unmarried, so she doesn’t want to visit the local druggist, but Anna is married (and actually childless so far), so she agrees to go. When she sees the male pharmacist behind the counter, she asks for a woman to wait on her. Anna gives her a fake story about having 6 kids and, worried about health, she wants to prevent another pregnancy. The starchy lady sells her the item and Anna bolts out of the shop without scooping up her change and the instructions for the item’s use.

We’ve come a long ways in 90 years, but some RW prudes would still like to make contraception a source of shame and humiliation, as it was in 1924.

I wondered if the book referred to in the episode was Margaret Sanger’s.

Boardwalk Empire set in the same era also dealt with birth control.

243 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2014 6:55:43am

re: #235 Pie-onist Overlord

That would require, ya know, actual studying of history and facts.

That’s assuming they are interested in history or facts as compared to simply using the rhetoric as a support for their preferred power structure and status within that structure.

244 SteveMcGazi  Oct 2, 2014 6:56:41am

re: #55 FemNaziBitch

Now that I am finished with Battestar Gallactica, what should I watch?

Scrubs

245 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 6:57:52am

I am seeing more of my “fixed” meme in the Twitstream than the original one which mocked low-wage workers:

This is the meme before being fixed by me:

246 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 2, 2014 6:58:16am

re: #236 NJDhockeyfan

I have a feeling something is going to happen in Hong Kong soon and it’s not going to be good.

Watching CNN tonight, I heard that the shutdown of major streets in several sections of HK may hurt small shops, once the National Holiday ends tomorrow. Occupy Central may find its popular support waning once people’s pocketbooks feel the pinch.

And the chief exec has no intention of stepping down — rule of law and all that stuff — so the protesters will probably go through with their plans to occupy government buildings at midnight. They’re already surrounding govt buildings now.

247 Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2014 6:58:43am

re: #239 lawhawk

Well, if that is the case, then the hospital could be on the hook for a whole lot more now - given all the other potential exposures involved.

And if it can be shown that the issue was insurance, then the hospital broke federal law - Emergency Medical and Treatment Labor Act (EMTLA). EMTLA, passed way back in 1986, prohibits the denial of care to indigent or uninsured patients based on a lack of ability to pay. Hospitals can’t use unnecessary transfers while care is administered, and prevents suspension of care once initiated.

If it can be shown that the hospital basically engaged in patient dumping, then they could be on the hook for some serious liability - civil and criminal.

But this is Texas we’re talking about, and they would prefer if you raise yourself by your bootstraps into your own coffin.

I get the feeling that the hospital responsible is already getting its ducks in a row to claim he was somehow to blame. That he did answer the question about being from a hot zone, but that he said something or did something to indicate to them that he wasn’t a danger for Ebola. Some way to throw the blame onto him for their actions.

Of course, just on its face, I’m not sure how they’re gonna explain away sending him home with a bottle of antibiotics when they’ve admitted they ran tests and found nothing to indicate a bacterial infection. It certainly hits all the indicators of a “patient dump.”

248 Schadenboner  Oct 2, 2014 6:58:44am

re: #55 FemNaziBitch

Now that I am finished with Battestar Gallactica, what should I watch?

The Wire or maybe Psych?

249 Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2014 7:01:00am

re: #248 Schadenboner

The Wire or maybe Psych?

We’re going through Last Tango in Halifax. It’s a bit soapy, but brilliantly done, and it has classic Land Rovers.

250 SteveMcGazi  Oct 2, 2014 7:01:38am

re: #209 urbanmeemaw

Sorry about the Bucs. While I like the Pirates, I can live with a Giant victory.

Actually, I’m rooting for the generic “Not The Cardinals”. It’s a “Cincinnati Thang”.

Anybody but the Cowboys.

251 b.d.  Oct 2, 2014 7:02:05am

Reality check:

252 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 7:02:16am

re: #239 lawhawk

And if it can be shown that the issue was insurance, then the hospital broke federal law - Emergency Medical and Treatment Labor Act (EMTLA). EMTLA, passed way back in 1986, prohibits the denial of care to indigent or uninsured patients based on a lack of ability to pay.

Hospitals often get around that requirement by “stabilizing” a patient and then discharging as soon as possible.

They will claim that is all they were required to do.

253 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 2, 2014 7:02:25am
254 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 7:04:55am

re: #250 SteveMcGazi

Anybody but the Cowboys.

Somehow I don’t think the Cowboys are a threat to win the World Series. O’s Game 1 is today. Bring on the Tigers.

255 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 7:05:37am

I get the most insane, demented Derp in my timeline from wingnuts who are enraged that their gun control=The Holocaust meme is challenged

256 Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2014 7:05:37am

re: #252 Pie-onist Overlord

Hospitals often get around that requirement by “stabilizing” a patient and then discharging as soon as possible.

They will claim that is all they were required to do.

The funds used to directly reimburse ERs are reduced/eliminated under ACA. Everyone is supposed to be insured. Sucks to be a community hospital if your stupid governor turned down the filthy Yankee Medicaid expansion lucre.

257 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 2, 2014 7:06:33am
258 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 7:07:26am

re: #255 Pie-onist Overlord

I get the most insane, demented Derp in my timeline from wingnuts who are enraged that their gun control=The Holocaust meme is challenged

You really want to piss them off? Point out the role of Luther in shaping Anti-Semitic attitudes in German Christians especially Protestants for generations.

259 Schadenboner  Oct 2, 2014 7:07:31am

re: #257 NJDhockeyfan

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The Chinese are revolting!

…Not really?

260 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 7:08:48am

re: #258 HappyWarrior

You really want to piss them off? Point out the role of Luther in shaping Anti-Semitic attitudes in German Christians especially Protestants for generations.

I pissed off some guy yesterday (his Twitter nic, oddly enough, was Happy Warrior) by pointing out that Luther King Jr. voted Democrat and despised the GOP.

261 Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2014 7:09:06am

re: #259 Schadenboner

The Chinese are revolting!

…Not really?

“Sire, the peasants are revolting!”

“You said it! They stink on ice!”

262 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 7:10:20am

Fucking idiot

263 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 7:11:30am

re: #260 Pie-onist Overlord

I pissed off some guy yesterday (his Twitter nic, oddly enough, was Happy Warrior) by pointing out that Luther King Jr. voted Democrat and despised the GOP.

Heh that’s weird given my user name is in tribute to two democrats. But yeah they get pissed when you point out that MLK expressed disgust with Goldwater and supported LBJ. Now what we do know is MLK’s father was a Republican and supporting Nixon in 1960 but the Kennedy campaign’s actions combined with the Nixon campaign’s inactions when MLK was arrested in 1960 led him to be a Kennedy supporter. The GOP did everything possible in the 1960’s to lose the black vote so they could get the angry white vote.

264 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 2, 2014 7:12:15am

re: #257 NJDhockeyfan

They have also set up first aid stations, and provide water and some snacks. Local businesses and residents have been donating the supplies. All very orderly and polite, but steadfast. They didn’t budge when the cops fired tear gas at them, and the police wisely backed off.

American police and protesters have a lot to learn from Hong Kongers.

265 Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2014 7:13:41am

re: #264 wheat-dogghazi

They have also set up first aid stations, and provide water and some snacks. Local businesses and residents have been donating the supplies. All very orderly and polite, but steadfast. They didn’t budge when the cops fired tear gas at them, and the police wisely backed off.

American police and protesters have a lot to learn from Hong Kongers.

The Long Squat.

266 Bubblehead II  Oct 2, 2014 7:14:05am

Colbert Taking Bill O down.

267 Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2014 7:15:10am

re: #262 Pie-onist Overlord

Fucking idiot

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At this point, it’s almost useless to point out that such laws were passed by the Weimer gov’t, with most actually being overturned by the Nazis with exceptions for Jews. Sort of like if the federal gov’t tomorrow overturned many of the restrictions on gun ownership for all except Muslims. I’m sure these dumbasses would be okay with that.

268 Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2014 7:16:30am

re: #262 Pie-onist Overlord

Fucking idiot

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Before it was over the Nazis issued weapons to damn near every German who could carry them. Didn’t seem to help the Jews.

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269 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2014 7:20:18am

re: #267 Targetpractice

At this point, it’s almost useless to point out that such laws were passed by the Weimer gov’t, with most actually being overturned by the Nazis with exceptions for Jews. Sort of like if the federal gov’t tomorrow overturned many of the restrictions on gun ownership for all except Muslims. I’m sure these dumbasses would be okay with that.

And Germany before that and the various German states pre-empire (1870) has laws restricting gun ownership. Plus the fact that there was paramilitary warfare going on in Germany post-WW1. Vast oversimplification of a complex social and political situation, but par for the course when dealing with the nuance-less rhetoric.

270 Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2014 7:21:15am

In fact, the Weimer gov’t passed such weapon restrictions so that groups like the Nazis couldn’t take up arms against the gov’t. These morons, living now over half a century later, don’t understand that the period in which the laws were passed was one of great turmoil and unrest in Europe due to the Great War and subsequent Depression. Such laws were not intended to keep people from protecting themselves, they were to maintain law and order.

271 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 2, 2014 7:22:46am
272 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 7:22:54am

Well there’s that and that most of the victims of the Holocaust weren’t German. German gun control laws have shit little to do with a Belgian Jew. You want to blame someone for Nazism? Blame the Nazis and their bigotry and expansionism not gun control policies. Of course these same people want to blame evolutionary theory for the Nazis but want to willfully ignore that Anti-Semitism re-enforced by religious dogma and officials had been acceptable for generations before Darwin.

273 lawhawk  Oct 2, 2014 7:23:04am

re: #241 Charles Johnson

Paged.

274 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 7:23:55am

re: #272 HappyWarrior

Well there’s that and that most of the victims of the Holocaust weren’t German. German gun control laws have shit little to do with a Belgian Jew. You want to blame someone for Nazism? Blame the Nazis and their bigotry and expansionism not gun control policies. Of course these same people want to blame evolutionary theory for the Nazis but want to willfully ignore that Anti-Semitism re-enforced by religious dogma and officials had been acceptable for generations before Darwin.

They want to make The Holocaust all about them. Well fuck them.

275 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 7:24:18am

re: #270 Targetpractice

In fact, the Weimer gov’t passed such weapon restrictions so that groups like the Nazis couldn’t take up arms against the gov’t. These morons, living now over half a century later, don’t understand that the period in which the laws were passed was one of great turmoil and unrest in Europe due to the Great War and subsequent Depression. Such laws were not intended to keep people from protecting themselves, they were to maintain law and order.

Right, it actually was chaos where it wasn’t unheard of to hear about a Communist being killed by a Nazi or something like that. It was a hectic time.

276 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 7:25:02am

re: #274 Pie-onist Overlord

They want to make The Holocaust all about them. Well fuck them.

Amen to that. Really, it’s disgusting to me how they co-opt their dislike of gun laws that Obama hasn’t even proposed to a mass genocide that killed millions of people.

277 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 7:25:37am

Still getting a bunch of derp from pissed off gun-fuckers. Ima spare u the idiocy, just a’blockin’ & a’mutin’

278 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 7:26:25am
279 jaunte  Oct 2, 2014 7:26:36am

re: #179 Pie-onist Overlord

Avant Garde designed in 1974, not the appropriate font for a flag from 1836.

280 lawhawk  Oct 2, 2014 7:27:19am

re: #272 HappyWarrior

110,000 160-180,000 out of the nearly 6 million were German Jews. The rest were primarily Eastern European (Polish, Russian, Ukrainian, Baltics, etc.)

And the Nazis actually loosened gun restrictions - except for Jews. The Weimar Republic had strict gun control laws that were passed in part due to the rise of the Nazi party, but when the Nazis took over, they gutted those rules and began instituting harsh rules on Jews.

But more to the point, what was a ragtag group of Jews going to do that entire Russian, Polish, French, British, and Belgian armies couldn’t when Germany made their initial push into both Eastern and Western Europe? Millions of troops couldn’t stop the Nazis until late in the war.

Thousands of tanks couldn’t stop the Nazis - the French had more modern and more tanks than the Nazis did when Germany invaded France. Didn’t help.

The Soviets had more troops than the Nazis, and it was years and millions of lives lost before the Soviets could contain and begin to beat back the Nazis (after the Nazis came within miles of Moscow and had besieged key Soviet cities for years).

281 Eventual Carrion  Oct 2, 2014 7:27:26am

re: #160 Frenchy

Sorry, but you’re wrong, it won’t be contained. Chuck C. Johnson say it airborne, we’re all gonna die.
//

Well then, it’s been nice knowing you guys.

282 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 2, 2014 7:28:55am

re: #270 Targetpractice

In fact, the Weimer gov’t passed such weapon restrictions so that groups like the Nazis couldn’t take up arms against the gov’t. These morons, living now over half a century later, don’t understand that the period in which the laws were passed was one of great turmoil and unrest in Europe due to the Great War and subsequent Depression. Such laws were not intended to keep people from protecting themselves, they were to maintain law and order.

I’ve been reading Barbara Tuchman’s history of WWI, on the recommendation of another lizard. I had no idea how rapacious the Germans were as they marched through Belgium toward Paris. If any Belgium sniped at them, the Germans would kill most of a town’s population and burn it to the ground.

I have a better understanding why the Allies imposed such punishing postwar restrictions on the Germans. It was retribution for barbarism.

283 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 7:29:53am

re: #282 wheat-dogghazi

I’ve been reading Barbara Tuchman’s history of WWI, on the recommendation of another lizard. I had no idea how rapacious the Germans were as they marched through Belgium toward Paris. If any Belgium sniped at them, the Germans would kill most of a town’s population and burn it to the ground.

I have a better understanding why the Allies imposed such punishing postwar restrictions on the Germans. It was retribution for barbarism.

I need to read that. That doesn’t surprise me at all knowing the actions of the German military in Africa though. Hermann Goering’s father was actually involved in a little known genocide there.

284 Frenchy  Oct 2, 2014 7:30:41am

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Amen to that. Really, it’s disgusting to me how they co-opt their dislike of gun laws that Obama hasn’t even proposed to a mass genocide that killed millions of people.

This is what blows my mind, these people are always ranting and raving about gun control, and I think WHAT GUN CONTROL?! We didn’t even get a single meaningful restriction put in place after someone gunned down a classroom full of 1st graders!

285 Schadenboner  Oct 2, 2014 7:33:21am

re: #270 Targetpractice

law and order.

Another two concepts the nihilists of the contemporary American Right aren’t big on.

286 Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2014 7:33:30am

re: #282 wheat-dogghazi

I’ve been reading Barbara Tuchman’s history of WWI, on the recommendation of another lizard. I had no idea how rapacious the Germans were as they marched through Belgium toward Paris. If any Belgium sniped at them, the Germans would kill most of a town’s population and burn it to the ground.

I have a better understanding why the Allies imposed such punishing postwar restrictions on the Germans. It was retribution for barbarism.

They pulled the same shit again, though in the East, in WWII. It’s a large part of the reason why they had to devote so many resources to keeping order in the countries they’d conquered, because the locals who were happy to see the Bolsheviks pushed out were either executed for being Slavs or pressed into service as slaves. In many ways, it’s not surprising that when the Soviets finally returned the favor, they did it with a fervor that is still shocking to this day.

287 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 2, 2014 7:33:56am
288 Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2014 7:34:56am

re: #285 Schadenboner

Another two concepts the nihilists of the contemporary American Right aren’t big on.

Which is a real generational flip. In the 60s, that’s what the RW pushed relentlessly.

289 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 7:35:12am

re: #284 Frenchy

This is what blows my mind, these people are always ranting and raving about gun control, and I think WHAT GUN CONTROL?! We didn’t even get a single meaningful restriction put in place after someone gunned down a classroom full of 1st graders!

Reagan’s record was more gun restrictive than Obama’s but RRCDW.

290 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 7:37:16am

re: #270 Targetpractice

In fact, the Weimer gov’t passed such weapon restrictions so that groups like the Nazis couldn’t take up arms against the gov’t. These morons, living now over half a century later, don’t understand that the period in which the laws were passed was one of great turmoil and unrest in Europe due to the Great War and subsequent Depression. Such laws were not intended to keep people from protecting themselves, they were to maintain law and order.

The wingnuts base their entire gun control meme on this Fake Quote.

291 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2014 7:37:18am

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Amen to that. Really, it’s disgusting to me how they co-opt their dislike of gun laws that Obama hasn’t even proposed to a mass genocide that killed millions of people.

The sad fact is that today’s conservative movement is driven by making shit up and then getting enraged/scared shitless by it. Conservatism has digressed from an ideology to a mental disorder.

292 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 7:38:53am

re: #291 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The sad fact is that today’s conservative movement is driven by making shit up and then getting enraged/scared shitless by it. Conservatism has digressed from an ideology to a mental disorder.

I really hate the so and so ideology is a mental disorder stuff but what conservatism has become and defined by in the Age of Obama is blind rage against any talk of government being used as a positive tool to help people whether it’s someone get health insurance, a college student to help to pay for his student loans, or a woman have more affordable birth control.

293 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 2, 2014 7:39:11am

re: #286 Targetpractice

Those that live by the sword, shall die by the sword.

Wise words, but German leaders in both World Wars felt they were justified in taking over Europe by any means possible, because Germans were “superior.” Tuchman’s book conveys that belief very well. Also, the Kaiser was erratic, emotional and he really could not understand why his sabre rattling leading up to the war made England and Russia so uneasy. Germany truly expected that England would sit by and do nothing after they invaded neutral Belgium toward England’s ally, France.

294 Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2014 7:39:53am

re: #290 Pie-onist Overlord

The wingnuts base their entire gun control meme on this Fake Quote.

As if that’s something new or different.

295 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2014 7:41:55am

re: #282 wheat-dogghazi

I’ve been reading Barbara Tuchman’s history of WWI, on the recommendation of another lizard. I had no idea how rapacious the Germans were as they marched through Belgium toward Paris. If any Belgium sniped at them, the Germans would kill most of a town’s population and burn it to the ground.

I have a better understanding why the Allies imposed such punishing postwar restrictions on the Germans. It was retribution for barbarism.

Part of that was the Germans refighting the last war. They had considerable trouble with French Franc-tireurs in the Franco-Prussian War. Compounded by Belgium Army resistance at the beginning of the war helping to stymie the Schiffelin Plan.

296 Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2014 7:43:19am

re: #290 Pie-onist Overlord

The wingnuts base their entire gun control meme on this Fake Quote.

Excessively factual quote, will do no good.

297 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 7:46:28am

re: #296 Decatur Deb

Excessively factual quote, will do not good.

The Fake Hitler Quote being dissected on that page.

298 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2014 7:47:49am

re: #293 wheat-dogghazi

Those that live by the sword, shall die by the sword.

Wise words, but German leaders in both World Wars felt they were justified in taking over Europe by any means possible, because Germans were “superior.” Tuchman’s book conveys that belief very well. Also, the Kaiser was erratic, emotional and he really could not understand why his sabre rattling leading up to the war made England and Russia so uneasy. Germany truly expected that England would sit by and do nothing after they invaded neutral Belgium toward England’s ally, France.

But all the ethnic groups in Europe thought they were superior to the others.

Though Germany had this odd inferiority complex running though it at both the citizen and leadership level. Late to consolidate into a nation-state, got leftovers in the race for imperial colonies in Asia and Africa. And in the middle position between the other European land powers.

And then Wilhelm shows his independence from Bismarck by undoing everything he’d done to keep France and Russia apart, plus starting a large naval building program*, which is the one thing that will really alarm the UK.

* - Which seems to mainly have been based on jealousy and not any real national need for a large navy.

299 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2014 7:48:08am

re: #292 HappyWarrior

I really hate the so and so ideology is a mental disorder stuff…

Current conservatism:

1) Delusional and detached from reality? Check.
2) Willing to act on their delusions up to and including armed violence? Check.
3) Driven by their delusions to insist on depriving themselves and others of basic human needs? Check.

If it walks like a duck…

300 Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2014 7:49:05am

re: #291 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The sad fact is that today’s conservative movement is driven by making shit up and then getting enraged/scared shitless by it. Conservatism has digressed from an ideology to a mental disorder.

It’s not so much that hardcore RW ideology has morphed into insanity, it’s just that it has been abandoned by the majority that isn’t, in many ways, insane. Explains the link to quack medicine, alien forces, and gnosticism (all of which are not inherently political).

301 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 2, 2014 7:50:07am

re: #295 Feline Fearless Leader

Part of that was the Germans refighting the last war. They had considerable trouble with French Franc-tireurs in the Franco-Prussian War. Compounded by Belgium Army resistance at the beginning of the war helping to stymie the Schiffelin Plan.

Yeah, I got that from the book. The German generals really hated franc-tireurs as ignoble and cowardly, rather ironically.

I’m about halfway through the Tuchman book, still in 1914.

302 Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2014 7:50:46am

re: #301 wheat-dogghazi

Yeah, I got that from the book. The German generals really hated franc-tireurs as ignoble and cowardly, rather ironically.

I’m about halfway through the Tuchman book, still in 1914.

“Guns of August”?

303 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 7:50:49am

re: #299 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Current conservatism:

1) Delusional and detached from reality? Check.
2) Willing to act on their delusions up to and including armed violence? Check.
3) Driven by their delusions to insist on depriving themselves and others of basic human needs? Check.

If it walks like a duck…

Oh I know. Sorry just a little sensitive since I heard so many times liberalism is a mental disorder. Nothin’ personal.

304 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 2, 2014 7:51:15am

re: #302 Decatur Deb

“Guns of August”?

That’s it.

305 urbanmeemaw  Oct 2, 2014 7:54:22am

re: #304 wheat-dogghazi

That’s it.

My father, who was a history major and avid reader, thought Guns of August was the best book on WWI and should be required reading. And he was picky about books and authors he read.

306 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 7:54:44am

Still need to read Guns of August.

307 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2014 7:55:46am

re: #300 Decatur Deb

It’s not so much that hardcore RW ideology has morphed into insanity, it’s just that it has been abandoned by the majority that isn’t, in many ways, insane. Explains the link to quack medicine, alien forces, and gnosticism all of which are not inherently political.

I remember reading a quote to the effect that when politics involves itself with religion, religion returns the favor. In the instance of conservatism, what people believe has come to have as much or more validity as demonstrable fact.

308 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 2, 2014 7:56:45am

re: #298 Feline Fearless Leader

But all the ethnic groups in Europe thought they were superior to the others.

Though Germany had this odd inferiority complex running though it at both the citizen and leadership level. Late to consolidate into a nation-state, got leftovers in the race for imperial colonies in Asia and Africa. And in the middle position between the other European land powers.

And then Wilhelm shows his independence from Bismarck by undoing everything he’d done to keep France and Russia apart, plus starting a large naval building program*, which is the one thing that will really alarm the UK.

* - Which seems to mainly have been based on jealousy and not any real national need for a large navy.

Most of the German navy stayed in port at first. Wilhelm built a navy, but didn’t want to risk his “babies” being sunk by the British navy, which in turn was mighty puzzled why it hardly saw any German ships — at least in 1914.

Wilhelm is a good example of the folly of having an absolute ruler run a country. Reading Tuchman I get the impression of an immature, emotionally unstable aristocrat who was accustomed to getting exactly what he wanted.

309 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2014 7:57:18am

re: #306 HappyWarrior

Still need to read Guns of August.

Between _Guns of August_ and Massie’s _Dreadnought_ you can get a real good view of how politically screwed up Europe was in the 1900-1915 period. Wasn’t a question of “Would there be a war?” as compared to “When will the war start?”

310 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 2, 2014 7:57:37am
311 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2014 7:58:52am

re: #303 HappyWarrior

Oh I know. Sorry just a little sensitive since I heard so many times liberalism is a mental disorder. Nothin’ personal.

I know the feeling well. I’ve heard “You people are sick!” off and on since I was a Berkeley undergrad in 1966.

312 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 7:58:57am

re: #309 Feline Fearless Leader

Between _Guns of August_ and Massie’s _Dreadnought_ you can get a real good view of how politically screwed up Europe was in the 1900-1915 period. Wasn’t a question of “Would there be a war?” as compared to “When will the war start?”

There’s a couple new books out on it. I did read Margaret MacMillian’s IMO excellent Paris 1919. She has a fairly new one about the lead up. She’s an interesting read since she’s David Lloyd George’s great granddaughter I believe. I still don’t know what to make of Wilson and all those Allied leaders.

313 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 8:00:05am

re: #311 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I know the feeling well. I’ve heard “You people are sick!” off and on since I was a Berkeley undergrad in 1966.

Right and then you combine that with being on the autistic spectrum and a little sensitive. Wasn’t trying to chastise you. I just am wary of calling any ideology a mental disorder. I think we both agree that conservatism has run amok with madness in the Obama years though.

314 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2014 8:02:00am

re: #308 wheat-dogghazi

Most of the German navy stayed in port at first. Wilhelm built a navy, but didn’t want to risk his “babies” being sunk by the British navy, which in turn was mighty puzzled why it hardly saw any German ships — at least in 1914.

Wilhelm is a good example of the folly of having an absolute ruler run a country. Reading Tuchman I get the impression of an immature, emotionally unstable aristocrat who was accustomed to getting exactly what he wanted.

And Bismarck is at least partially to blame for that. He puffed up Wilhelm’s ego and need to act that way in an attempt to separate him from his father Frederick. Bismarck was afraid that when Frederick became Kaiser he would start implementing liberal social reforms in Germany. (Frederick was married to Queen Victoria’s eldest daughter, thus Wilhelm’s direct relation to the UK royal family. And Bismarck thought she was a dangerous influence on Frederick, thus the reason to get Wilhelm away from them and thinking “properly” about how to run Germany.)

315 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 8:03:58am

One of the most interesting things I had the pleasure of reading when I was an undergrad were letters by German soldiers during WWI. Many of whom actually were KIA. The early letters are optimistic and booming with national pride but as it becomes apparent that this war won’t be over by Christmas and that it is a very different kind of war, you can definitely see the tone and mindset changing. One thing that always strikes me about WWI is how differently people responded to it. You had some who became complete pacifists because of it and thus wary to get involved in any war and then there was the other side who wanted more. I remember when I learned about WWI in seventh grade having a dream about being in the trenches.

316 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2014 8:05:04am

re: #312 HappyWarrior

There’s a couple new books out on it. I did read Margaret MacMillian’s IMO excellent Paris 1919. She has a fairly new one about the lead up. She’s an interesting read since she’s David Lloyd George’s great granddaughter I believe. I still don’t know what to make of Wilson and all those Allied leaders.

Mix of liberalism, desire for revenge, and the standard realpolitik of all European treaty meetings post-1700. With the imperial empire trend still running strong as well, though the terminology was changing from “colony” to “protectorate” since the reality was that you were establishing economic control without the emigration necessary to eventually replace the current occupants.

317 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2014 8:05:17am

re: #313 HappyWarrior

Right and then you combine that with being on the autistic spectrum…

Brother/Sister! I didn’t know that I was riding that particular rainbow until my own son was diagnosed with autism. Being an Old Guy, I had to learn to stifle the most outward and visible manifestations of the disorder and then find jobs where my autistic tendencies and mild OCD were an asset.

318 Schadenboner  Oct 2, 2014 8:06:53am

re: #288 Decatur Deb

Which is a real generational flip. In the 60s, that’s what the RW pushed relentlessly.

Yeah, but those criminals were all blahs and hippies. Not REAL AMERICANS like us!

319 Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2014 8:07:21am

re: #309 Feline Fearless Leader

Between _Guns of August_ and Massie’s _Dreadnought_ you can get a real good view of how politically screwed up Europe was in the 1900-1915 period. Wasn’t a question of “Would there be a war?” as compared to “When will the war start?”

That’s always been my take on WWI. It happened primarily because everyone expected it to. The expectation led them to basically load the gun and cock it, and rest their collective finger on the trigger so it only took a twitch to fire it.

320 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 8:07:22am

re: #317 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Brother/Sister! I didn’t know that I was riding that particular rainbow until my own son was diagnosed with autism. Being an Old Guy, I had to learn to stifle the most outward and visible manifestations of the disorder and then find jobs where my autistic tendencies and mild OCD were an asset.

Man people like you are pioneers. I don’t know what I would have done in the age before personal computers. I have terrible handwriting and the old library method of research would have been tough as hell on me.

321 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 2, 2014 8:08:10am

re: #312 HappyWarrior

Wilson was firm in his conviction that America would only be a neutral arbitrator among the belligerents. The mood in the States was isolationist, and Wilson’s own religious faith and pacifism further slowed down our entry. Meanwhile, the British Labor Party was in power, and it was also isolationist and pacifist in tenor. Russia was a clusterfuck of weak leadership, corrupt and lazy military leaders, ill-equipped soldiers and disorganized supply chains. And France was similarly disorganized in its reaction to the German invasion.

Germany caught everyone with their pants down.

322 Varek Raith  Oct 2, 2014 8:08:38am

re: #310 NJDhockeyfan

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Sigh.
This is fear mongering.
The chances of that happening are stupidly small.

323 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 8:09:33am

re: #321 wheat-dogghazi

Wilson was firm in his conviction that America would only be a neutral arbitrator among the belligerents. The mood in the States was isolationist, and Wilson’s own religious faith and pacifism further slowed down our entry. Meanwhile, the British Labor Party was in power, and it was also isolationist and pacifist in tenor. Russia was a clusterfuck of weak leadership, corrupt and lazy military leaders, ill-equipped soldiers and disorganized supply chains. And France was similarly disorganized in its reaction to the German invasion.

Germany caught everyone with their pants down.

I thought he Liberals led by Asquith were in power. Anyhow, Wilson is a tough nut to crack for me.

324 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 2, 2014 8:10:05am

re: #319 GeneJockey

That’s always been my take on WWI. It happened primarily because everyone expected it to. The expectation led them to basically load the gun and cock it, and rest their collective finger on the trigger so it only took a twitch to fire it.

And almost everyone expected it would be over in a few months! Even Germany was not prepared for a war lasting four years.

325 Schadenboner  Oct 2, 2014 8:10:35am

re: #309 Feline Fearless Leader

Between _Guns of August_ and Massie’s _Dreadnought_ you can get a real good view of how politically screwed up Europe was in the 1900-1915 period. Wasn’t a question of “Would there be a war?” as compared to “When will the war start?”

I *knew* there was something I could blow an Audible credit on.

Never read Dreadnought, read the Proud Tower/Guns of August series in dead tree back in the day (note: not actually a series, more like two highly complementary works by the same author).

326 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2014 8:12:40am

re: #325 Schadenboner

I *knew* there was something I could blow an Audible credit on.

Never read Dreadnought, read the Proud Tower/Guns of August series in dead tree back in the day (note: not actually a series, more like two highly complementary works by the same author).

Massie wrote a sequel _Castles of Steel_ that covers the naval operations during the war. More happened than just Dogger Bank and Jutland, but those are the major actions and he does a good job covering those battles in addition to being one of the few places I’ve found much detail on the other events and theatres.

_Dreadnought_ itself covers the naval developments and construction races that occurred leading into the war. Along with the necessary political discussion.

327 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 2, 2014 8:14:11am

re: #323 HappyWarrior

I thought he Liberals led by Asquith were in power. Anyhow, Wilson is a tough nut to crack for me.

You’re right. It wasn’t Labor.

In my mind, Wilson and Jimmy Carter are very similar in their approach to the presidency, but I can’t defend my position adequately right now. Both had deep religious faith, and a naive conviction that nations all over the world really just peace. Both were negotiators, at least on the international stage. Neither was a “politician” in the largely negative sense of the word.

328 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 2, 2014 8:15:06am

re: #322 Varek Raith

Sigh.
This is fear mongering.
The chances of that happening are stupidly small.

The press and medical experts spent all day yesterday easing people’s minds about the dangers of ebola and how it’s not airborne. This morning the UN brings back that fear.

329 Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2014 8:15:42am

re: #324 wheat-dogghazi

And almost everyone expected it would be over in a few months! Even Germany was not prepared for a war lasting four years.

Everyone’s plans involved a swift, decisive stab into the enemy’s heart, and the assumption that it would work as planned. Well, Germany’s was more like a swift cut to the enemy’s neck. But still.

None of them really understood the effect of modern weaponry on their old tactics.

330 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2014 8:16:17am

re: #320 HappyWarrior

Man people like you are pioneers. I don’t know what I would have done in the age before personal computers. I have terrible handwriting and the old library method of research would have been tough as hell on me.

Throw in being left-handed and being raised mostly by my mom (Dad was a career Navy man) and yes, I’ve lived through some interesting times. My experience of life has led me to want to slap anyone who prates “What does not kill you makes you stronger.”

331 Varek Raith  Oct 2, 2014 8:16:25am

re: #328 NJDhockeyfan

The press and medical experts spent all day yesterday easing people’s minds about the dangers of ebola and how it’s not airborne. This morning the UN brings back that fear.

It’s certainly possible.
However, extremely unlikely.
cdc.gov

332 Varek Raith  Oct 2, 2014 8:17:37am

re: #331 Varek Raith

It’s certainly possible.
However, extremely unlikely.
cdc.gov

JULIE STEENHUYSEN: I have a quick question about, you mentioned briefly mutations. I know there was a study that also showed the virus is mutating some. I’m wondering if you’re following up or what do we know about whether or not this virus has mutated in a way that makes it easier, more transmissible?

TOM FRIEDEN: This is one of the things we’re looking into. In general, the Ebola virus has not changed a lot over the 40 plus years that we’ve known it. So that’s somewhat reassuring. And that it’s not one of those viruses that changes frequently. But that doesn’t guarantee it won’t in the future. So one of the things our laboratory specialists will be doing with the advanced molecular detection initiative is to sequence viruses overtime from individual patients and over time in the outbreak to see if there are changes. That will take some time to do and we’ll have to track it to see if there are changes. But right now we don’t see any evidence that there is a change that would make it more transmissible. On the phone? Next question on the phone?

333 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2014 8:19:56am

re: #329 GeneJockey

Everyone’s plans involved a swift, decisive stab into the enemy’s heart, and the assumption that it would work as planned. Well, Germany’s was more like a swift cut to the enemy’s neck. But still.

None of them really understood the effect of modern weaponry on their old tactics.

And most of the inter-power squabbles since 1815 had been one-on-one fights and fairly short, or simply incidents involving colonial possessions. Plus some minor interference here and there while one power dealt with a side issue such as the Boer War. The exceptions being the Crimean War and the Franco-Prussian War since both involved extended sieges.

334 Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2014 8:20:29am

re: #329 GeneJockey

Everyone’s plans involved a swift, decisive stab into the enemy’s heart, and the assumption that it would work as planned. Well, Germany’s was more like a swift cut to the enemy’s neck. But still.

None of them really understood the effect of modern weaponry on their old tactics.

Generals are always prepared to fight the last war.

335 lawhawk  Oct 2, 2014 8:22:27am

re: #332 Varek Raith

One of the problems on dealing with transmission vector studies is that this current outbreak is larger than all the previous ones - combined.

There’s a lot more variables involved.

On the other side is that health experts have been studying the disease since 1976. They know a lot about how it is transmitted between people, and how to stop that transmission.

So, it is plausible that it could become airborne. But extremely unlikely.

It’s the same thing with influenza. We know that it’s a matter of time before some new strain comes out that might have the same kind of impact that the Spanish Flu epidemic had, but so far it hasn’t done so and that’s with millions of cases annually and new influenza strains forming every year (which is why they have to issue new versions of the vaccine annually to cover the ones that health experts think will be most prevalent for the year).

It’s the same thing with SARS or MERS. There’s a risk that the disease could be transmitted even easier than before, or become more debilitating. But it hasn’t happened.

Yet.

336 Varek Raith  Oct 2, 2014 8:22:28am

The UN is trying to get more help for the outbreak in West Africa. The world’s respone has been… lacking to say the least. I think they’re throwing out the nightmare scenario to get people into gear.

My $0.02

337 Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2014 8:23:30am

re: #336 Varek Raith

The UN is trying to get more help for the outbreak in West Africa. The world’s respone has been… lacking to say the least. I think they’re throwing out the nightmare scenario to get people into gear.

My $0.02

Certainly plausible.

338 Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2014 8:25:29am

re: #336 Varek Raith

The UN is trying to get more help for the outbreak in West Africa. The world’s respone has been… lacking to say the least. I think they’re throwing out the nightmare scenario to get people into gear.

My $0.02

A distinct possibility that’s what’s up, but simultaneously, it’s throwing fuel onto a fire of paranoia that’s already pretty damned big.

339 jaunte  Oct 2, 2014 8:26:03am

A new Alabama regulation, the most radical parental consent law in the country, puts minors seeking abortions virtually on trial, appoints a guardian for their fetus, and could drag family, friends, and acquaintances into court. The law, currently under challenge by the ACLU, went into effect July 1. It allows the court to appoint the embryo or fetus a “guardian ad litem,” which is a person, usually a lawyer, tasked with advocating for the embryo’s interests in court. It also requires that the district attorney appear to represent the interests of the state — which the law explicitly says are “to protect unborn life.” And the DA can call the young woman’s friends, family members, teachers, or employers as witnesses if he deems it necessary.

340 Varek Raith  Oct 2, 2014 8:26:05am

re: #338 Dr Lizardo

A distinct possibility that’s what’s up, but simultaneously, it’s throwing fuel onto a fire of paranoia that’s already pretty damned big.

I know, that’s why I’m so annoyed at this.

341 Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2014 8:27:35am

re: #339 jaunte

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In other words, a stealth “personhood” law.

342 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 2, 2014 8:28:27am
343 Archangelus  Oct 2, 2014 8:28:29am

re: #339 jaunte

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There’s sick and perverted, and then there’s THIS….

344 lawhawk  Oct 2, 2014 8:28:56am

re: #336 Varek Raith

When you see what it’s doing to West Africa - Liberia and Guinea in particular, it’s horrifying. Those high end casualty scenarios don’t seem so far fetched (of 1 million or more cases by end of January) when you see photos of victims lying in pools of bodily fluids, no isolation facilities, and caretakers don’t have access to biohazard containment, increasing the chances they too will fall ill.

345 jaunte  Oct 2, 2014 8:31:19am

re: #341 Targetpractice

Watch the ad litem and legal protection magically disappear when the embryo is born.

346 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 8:37:19am

re: #327 wheat-dogghazi

You’re right. It wasn’t Labor.

In my mind, Wilson and Jimmy Carter are very similar in their approach to the presidency, but I can’t defend my position adequately right now. Both had deep religious faith, and a naive conviction that nations all over the world really just peace. Both were negotiators, at least on the international stage. Neither was a “politician” in the largely negative sense of the word.

That’s actually a good analogy. One that I have never seen before. If you don’t mind, I’d like to hear more when you got the time. No need to rush but I definitely agree with you from what I know about both Wilson and Carter as people. Granted I’ve only read a biography of Wilson and not on Carter. I can’t really think of who Obama would be like.

347 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 8:37:49am

Alabama sure knows how to spend its taxdollars doesn’t it?

348 dholmes32  Oct 2, 2014 8:37:49am

re: #181 Pie-onist Overlord

Well, allegedly the Dallas ebola patient threw up on the sidewalk so now they’re trying to find everyone who might have touched that vomit.

ATTENTION PEOPLE! IF YOU LIKE TO TOUCH VOMIT YOU MIGHT HAVE TOUCHED EBOLA VOMIT!!!!!!

Well, it’s actually a bit more serious than that. Even if you cleaned up that vomit while merely gloved (like most cleaning people are today), it’s very likely you didn’t take all the precautions medics take to avoid Ebola infection. In fact, that’s how the doctors who were flown to the US got Ebola—their protocol wasn’t followed to the letter and they got infected.

If I were that janitor or cleaning lady, I’d be turning myself in to the local infectious disease hospital for observation.

349 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 2, 2014 8:38:21am

re: #344 lawhawk

When you see what it’s doing to West Africa - Liberia and Guinea in particular, it’s horrifying. Those high end casualty scenarios don’t seem so far fetched (of 1 million or more cases by end of January) when you see photos of victims lying in pools of bodily fluids, no isolation facilities, and caretakers don’t have access to biohazard containment, increasing the chances they too will fall ill.

The medical offices in the smaller areas are already full and are turning back people who have the disease. They are going back home to dying (if the make it that far) while spreading the disease the ones that are attempting to help. I don’t think the local people understand the dangers of touching their family or friends who are sick.

350 Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2014 8:38:26am

It’s possible that Ebola will mutate into a variant that only eats idiots. Not likely, but possible.

351 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2014 8:39:28am

re: #339 jaunte

Alabama is one of the states that refused the Medicaid expansion so many of these young women would be unable to get prenatal care that is within their means to pay for it. Once again we see conservative throwing shit at people and then complaining that they stink.

352 Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2014 8:40:33am

re: #350 Decatur Deb

It’s possible that Ebola will mutate into a variant that only eats idiots. Not likely, but possible.

Derp-bonic plague.

//

353 Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2014 8:41:24am

re: #351 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Alabama is one of the states that refused the Medicaid expansion so many of these young women would be unable to get prenatal care that is within their means to pay for it. Once again we see conservative throwing shit at people and then complaining that they stink.

We’re usually much smarter about sucking in Yankee dollars and turning them into Alabama dollars, but our current governor is a bit of a dolt. He’s also an MD.

354 FemNaziBitch  Oct 2, 2014 8:42:11am

It’s Morning.

I woke up with a headache.

I hate headache mornings.

Took allergy meds —will see how it goes.

you?

355 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 8:42:30am

re: #348 dholmes32

Well, it’s actually a bit more serious than that. Even if you cleaned up that vomit while merely gloved (like most cleaning people are today), it’s very likely you didn’t take all the precautions medics take to avoid Ebola infection. In fact, that’s how the doctors who were flown to the US got Ebola—their protocol wasn’t followed to the letter and they got infected.

If I were that janitor or cleaning lady, I’d be turning myself in to the local infectious disease hospital for observation.

If he threw up on the outside sidewalk it’s not likely that anyone really cleaned it up, other than a quick spray with the hose.

356 Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2014 8:43:12am

re: #354 FemNaziBitch

It’s Morning.

I woke up with a headache.

I hate headache mornings.

Took allergy meds —will see how it goes.

you?

Have you been to Dallas?

357 FemNaziBitch  Oct 2, 2014 8:43:45am

re: #339 jaunte

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Cosmo has really stepped-up to the plate on these issues.

Cudos to this publication!

358 FemNaziBitch  Oct 2, 2014 8:44:05am

re: #356 Decatur Deb

Have you been to Dallas?

NO. I have issues with Texas.

359 Romantic Heretic  Oct 2, 2014 8:44:16am

re: #305 urbanmeemaw

My father, who was a history major and avid reader, thought Guns of August was the best book on WWI and should be required reading. And he was picky about books and authors he read.

Tuchman is one of the great history writers of the 20th Century. Also recommended by her is The March of Folly: From Troy to Vietnam It’s a fascinating read about human stupidity in high places and the effects it had on their societies.

360 wrenchwench  Oct 2, 2014 8:44:31am

re: #341 Targetpractice

In other words, a stealth “personhood” law.

The stealthy part is that it targets minors, who already have a hard time dealing with an unwanted pregnancy. Tragic irony is pointed out in the article:

Yet courts require minors to prove their maturity to end a pregnancy — and sometimes the courts refuse to grant a bypass, like in a recent Nebraska case involving a 16-year-old girl who was taken away from her abusive parents and was a ward of the state and asked a judge to allow her to terminate an unwanted pregnancy without the consent of her foster parents. In that case, the court found that the girl wasn’t mature enough to decide to terminate her pregnancy, but she was apparently mature enough to have a baby.

361 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 8:45:00am

Is it just me or do doctors make for whacked out politicians?

362 Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2014 8:45:02am

re: #355 Pie-onist Overlord

If he threw up on the outside sidewalk it’s not likely that anyone really cleaned it up, other than a quick spray with the hose.

A Freeper said something that was scaremongerish, but not really stupid. We don’t want this to get into the Texas bat population.

363 jaunte  Oct 2, 2014 8:45:45am

re: #360 wrenchwench

“…the girl wasn’t mature enough to decide to terminate her pregnancy, but she was apparently mature enough to have a baby”

This is just insane.

364 FemNaziBitch  Oct 2, 2014 8:46:24am

re: #344 lawhawk

When you see what it’s doing to West Africa - Liberia and Guinea in particular, it’s horrifying. Those high end casualty scenarios don’t seem so far fetched (of 1 million or more cases by end of January) when you see photos of victims lying in pools of bodily fluids, no isolation facilities, and caretakers don’t have access to biohazard containment, increasing the chances they too will fall ill.

It pisses me off that the powers-that-be in these countries can’t get their act together. Most are educated people of means. They don’t give a shit about their people.

There is no reason for this.

365 Archangelus  Oct 2, 2014 8:46:38am

re: #363 jaunte

This is just insane.

That’s putting it lightly IMHO.

366 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 8:46:43am

re: #363 jaunte

This is just insane.

Vile.

367 Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2014 8:46:51am

re: #359 Romantic Heretic

Tuchman is one of the great history writers of the 20th Century. Also recommended by her is The March of Folly: From Troy to Vietnam It’s a fascinating read about human stupidity in high places and the effects it had on their societies.

And for the background to Zionism, “The Bible and the Sword”.

368 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 2, 2014 8:50:03am

re: #308 wheat-dogghazi

Wilhelm is a good example of the folly of having an absolute ruler run a country. Reading Tuchman I get the impression of an immature, emotionally unstable aristocrat who was accustomed to getting exactly what he wanted.

I have to find the references again, but I read of another take on Wilhelm: he was actually involved in a rather progressive circle that wanted to reform Germany and make it more democratic, but some of the members of this movement were into the “Greek ideal” of pedophile homosexuality, and WIlhelm was compelled to distance himself from them in order to avoid scandal and out of necessity had to rely on the support of the militaristic, authoritarian German General Staff.

369 lawhawk  Oct 2, 2014 8:51:53am
370 FemNaziBitch  Oct 2, 2014 8:52:05am

re: #363 jaunte

This is just insane.

371 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 2, 2014 8:52:27am

re: #352 Targetpractice

Derp-bonic plague.

//

Repubola?

372 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 8:52:46am

re: #369 lawhawk

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Sometimes I feel like I’ve woken up in the past.

373 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 2, 2014 8:53:31am

re: #370 FemNaziBitch

I’ve said similar things but that’s much better worded. I’ll have to save that.

374 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 8:53:37am

@BarryWirth a parody account mocking wingnuts, was once funny but has now plunged into straight-out racist shit.

Blocked.

375 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 8:53:55am

re: #371 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Repubola?

Teabola

376 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 8:54:04am

re: #370 FemNaziBitch

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She’s absolutely right about that. They’re pro-birth. Not pro-life. They’re the ones who want to cut programs that would help poor kids out because “My taxdollars shouldn’t go to some slut who couldn’t keep her legs crossed.”

377 Schadenboner  Oct 2, 2014 8:54:05am

re: #370 FemNaziBitch

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Seems reasonable to me. I mean, I don’t agree with her about personhood but at least it’s a position consistent with her church’s social teaching, unlike most Katholische Kulturkriegers (and yes, I do get the irony of a catholic culture war).

378 Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2014 8:54:20am

re: #368 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I have to find the references again, but I read of another take on Wilhelm: he was actually involved in a rather progressive circle that wanted to reform Germany and make it more democratic, but some of the members of this movement were into the “Greek ideal” of pedophile homosexuality, and WIlhelm was compelled to distance himself from them in order to avoid scandal and out of necessity had to rely on the support of the militaristic, authoritarian German General Staff.

Fifty years ago, historians were laying it on Bismarck for more-or-less accidentally developing a complex system of alliances and contradictory interests that could barely be understood. It couldn’t be maintained, and sat there waiting for something to tip it over.

379 Varek Raith  Oct 2, 2014 8:54:26am

RICOLA!

380 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 2, 2014 8:55:29am

re: #375 Pie-onist Overlord

Teabola

You win today’s Internet.

381 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 8:55:50am

You know while I definitely do fault him for Munich, I understand what was going through Chamberlain’s mind. WWI was devastating.

382 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 2, 2014 8:56:34am

re: #381 HappyWarrior

You know while I definitely do fault him for Munich, I understand what was going through Chamberlain’s mind. WWI was devastating.

And Britain was not at all prepared to fight a war in 1938. They still were not ready in 1940…

383 FemNaziBitch  Oct 2, 2014 8:56:41am

re: #373 William Barnett-Lewis

I’ve said similar things but that’s much better worded. I’ll have to save that.

Sister Joan is still active. I’ve seen her on C-SPAN and in other interviews. She is one of the “Nuns on a Bus”, IIRC. She don’t take shit from no one and is smart enough and savvy enough to be a contender.

American Bishops hate Sister Joan.

384 wrenchwench  Oct 2, 2014 8:56:58am

re: #380 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

You win today’s Internet.

She won yesterday’s internet with that, too.

385 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 8:57:11am

re: #380 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

You win today’s Internet.

Meh it’s from 2 days ago

386 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 8:57:38am

re: #382 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And Britain was not at all prepared to fight a war in 1938. They still were not ready in 1940…

Right. And while I appreciate Churchill’s wartime leadership, I am not a huge fan of his in the broad scheme of things.

387 Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2014 8:57:40am

re: #381 HappyWarrior

You know while I definitely do fault him for Munich, I understand what was going through Chamberlain’s mind. WWI was devastating.

Chamberlain had no choice. Britain was not prepared for war with Germany and while his French counterpart was also at Munich, the French people were even less enthusiastic about going to war. Whether we wish to admit it or not, in 1938, Hitler really did hold all the cards.

388 b.d.  Oct 2, 2014 8:58:31am

re: #361 HappyWarrior

Is it just me or do doctors make for whacked out politicians?

Rand Paul
Ron Paul
Bill Frist
Tom Coburn
Phil Gingrey
Paul Broun

Yep

389 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 8:58:43am

re: #387 Targetpractice

Chamberlain had no choice. Britain was not prepared for war with Germany and while his French counterpart was also at Munich, the French people were even less enthusiastic about going to war. Whether we wish to admit it or not, in 1938, Hitler really did hold all the cards.

Right there’s that too. Really it’s easy to sit now and point fingers having the benefit of hindsight.

390 FemNaziBitch  Oct 2, 2014 8:58:54am

re: #386 HappyWarrior

Right. And while I appreciate Churchill’s wartime leadership, I am not a huge fan of his in the broad scheme of things.

We are living with the consequences of Churchill et. al.

391 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 8:59:11am

re: #388 b.d.

Rand Paul
Ron Paul
Bill Frist
Tom Coburn
Phil Gingrey
Paul Broun

Yep

Thanks, I had remembered Paul and son, Coburn, but forgot some of the others.

392 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 9:00:05am

re: #390 FemNaziBitch

We are living with the consequences of Churchill et. al.

You’re talking about the ME I presume, right? Churchill’s staunch imperialism is something often ignored. I mean as I said, appreciate what he did and he was a great leader for the time but the myth is bigger than the man.

393 Bulworth  Oct 2, 2014 9:00:14am

re:
#359

Anyone here read The Sleepwalkers, by Christopher Clark? Some very interesting background to WWI, particularly its origins in the Balkins. Although his sympathy towards Germany got so annoying towards the end I half expected to read about how England and France invaded Belgium. Anyway, somewhat of a contrarian take on WWI orgins relative to Tuchman.

amazon.com

394 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 9:00:31am

re: #388 b.d.

Rand Paul
Ron Paul
Bill Frist
Tom Coburn
Phil Gingrey
Paul Broun

Yep

Ben Carson

395 Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2014 9:00:35am

re: #370 FemNaziBitch

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Nuns are vastly underrated as ‘proto-feminists’.

396 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 9:01:04am

re: #394 Pie-onist Overlord

Ben Carson

Yep that was my first thought too.

397 FemNaziBitch  Oct 2, 2014 9:01:24am

Watched Peaky Blinders last night. Good Show. I really enjoyed it. Gave me some insights to the IRA that I knew nothing about.

398 Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2014 9:02:27am

re: #391 HappyWarrior

Thanks, I had remembered Paul and son, Coburn, but forgot some of the others.

Gov Bentley (R) AL

399 ausador  Oct 2, 2014 9:02:33am

re: #193 Pie-onist Overlord

This is the Stupidest Meme I Have Seen All Day but of course it’s still early.

400 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 2, 2014 9:02:38am

Incredible pictures at the link. It gives you an inside look at what’s going on where the Ebloa disease is rampant. The photographer has been Liberia for 5 weeks now.

401 FemNaziBitch  Oct 2, 2014 9:02:40am

re: #394 Pie-onist Overlord

Ben Carson

My Dear Ole’ Dad had a saying about Doctors. He said one only had to pass Med School to be a doctor.

he would say “Those 70 Percenters …”

One has to wonder if a person is really good at being a doctor, why leave the profession?

402 Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2014 9:03:29am

re: #389 HappyWarrior

Right there’s that too. Really it’s easy to sit now and point fingers having the benefit of hindsight.

Most of the hatred towards Chamberlain was the work of his detractors, Churchill amongst the most vocal of them. It’s pretty easy to impugn the character of a dead man, which Chamberlain was by war’s end (died of bowel cancer in ‘40). The ashes of the war hadn’t even settled before Churchill busied himself with his legacy, setting in stone the idea that he’d been the one who’d foreseen the evil of Hitler at Munich and called for Britain to take up arms, only for the “pacifists” under Chamberlain to think they could buy off Hitler with concessions.

403 lawhawk  Oct 2, 2014 9:03:37am

Quick question about page tagging - how do you do the update tag (which I recall isn’t so much a tag as just using the proper word/characters? Forgot how (hard to keep all different tagging conventions straight).

404 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 9:04:02am

re: #398 Decatur Deb

Gov Bentley (R) AL

Yeah I know. Your comment about him made me think of Paul/son, Carson, and Coburn and how there’s a lot of wacky politicians who also are MDs. Ted Yoho btw is a vet so that’s another.

405 lawhawk  Oct 2, 2014 9:04:11am

And for the record, that would be more than 90 incidents where the CDC was contacted regarding possible Ebola infections among patients in the US since the outbreak began.

406 Romantic Heretic  Oct 2, 2014 9:04:44am

re: #387 Targetpractice

Chamberlain had no choice. Britain was not prepared for war with Germany and while his French counterpart was also at Munich, the French people were even less enthusiastic about going to war. Whether we wish to admit it or not, in 1938, Hitler really did hold all the cards.

One of the interesting little points about the Munich Conference is that when it came time to sign the treaty it was discovered all the inkwells in the room were empty. They had to have some clerk fill the wells before they could sign.

I wonder if Chamberlain and Delradier thought, “This can’t be good,” at that point. Herr Schiklegruber’s honesty might have been thrown into doubt by such an oversight.

407 FemNaziBitch  Oct 2, 2014 9:04:47am

re: #392 HappyWarrior

You’re talking about the ME I presume, right? Churchill’s staunch imperialism is something often ignored. I mean as I said, appreciate what he did and he was a great leader for the time but the myth is bigger than the man.

Yeah. I think he fucked-up India as well.

Can’t remember where I learned about that.

408 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2014 9:04:54am

re: #403 lawhawk

Quick question about page tagging - how do you do the update tag (which I recall isn’t so much a tag as just using the proper word/characters? Forgot how (hard to keep all different tagging conventions straight).

UPDATE:
then hit “Enter” twice.

409 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 9:05:15am

re: #402 Targetpractice

Most of the hatred towards Chamberlain was the work of his detractors, Churchill amongst the most vocal of them. It’s pretty easy to impugn the character of a dead man, which Chamberlain was by war’s end (died of bowel cancer in ‘40). The ashes of the war hadn’t even settled before Churchill busied himself with his legacy, setting in stone the idea that he’d been the one who’d foreseen the evil of Hitler at Munich and called for Britain to take up arms, only for the “pacifists” under Chamberlain to think they could buy off Hitler with concessions.

Yeah seems to me that it’s the classic the survivors write history with Chamberlain. I have no great admiration for him fwiw but at the same time, him being the posterboy for “weakness” is propaganda.

410 Schadenboner  Oct 2, 2014 9:05:47am

re: #361 HappyWarrior

Is it just me or do doctors make for whacked out politicians?

Yup.

411 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2014 9:05:47am

If those regions of Africa subject to Ebola had oil there would already be vaccines against against it.

412 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 9:05:47am

re: #407 FemNaziBitch

Yeah. I think he fucked-up India as well.

Can’t remember where I learned about that.

Right.

413 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 9:05:49am

re: #401 FemNaziBitch

My Dear Ole’ Dad had a saying about Doctors. He said one only had to pass Med School to be a doctor.

he would say “Those 70 Percenters …”

One has to wonder if a person is really good at being a doctor, why leave the profession?

My brother-in-law is a doctor. He is also a complete whacko.

414 Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2014 9:06:40am
415 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 9:06:59am

re: #397 FemNaziBitch

Watched Peaky Blinders last night. Good Show. I really enjoyed it. Gave me some insights to the IRA that I knew nothing about.

IRA as in Irish Republican Army? I have a funny story about that. I have a flag of the 69th New York (The famed Irish brigade from the Civil War). Anyhow some guy was working on the house and remarked to my grandmother who knows nothing about Irish American history and lore that I had an IRA flag haha.

416 FemNaziBitch  Oct 2, 2014 9:07:42am

re: #408 Backwoods_Sleuth

UPDATE:
then hit “Enter” twice.

Page Tagging? I don’t even know what that means.

I still can’t do a search within LGF.

417 Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2014 9:07:45am

re: #405 lawhawk

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The reality is that, so long as there’s international travel, the possibility of Ebola patients winding up in the US are greater than zero.

418 wrenchwench  Oct 2, 2014 9:07:53am

re: #414 Charles Johnson

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Got screenshots?

419 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 2, 2014 9:08:35am

re: #411 Higgs Boson’s Mate

If those regions of Africa subject to Ebola had oil there would already be vaccines against against it.

The point is, the costs we are going to see in the USA for containing and treating domestic ebola cases are going to be a lot more than it would have cost us to help Africa build , equip and staff enough clinics and hospitals to limit its spread there.

420 Bulworth  Oct 2, 2014 9:08:48am

re:
#387

It’s astonishing to me how quickly Nazi Germany was able to not only rearm, but to develop the lethal strategy and machinery of modern warfare that so devastated Europe.

Reading in Doris Kearns Goodwin’s No Ordinary Time how the U.S. military still thought in 1940 they would be able to rely on cavalry to win a war.

421 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 9:08:51am

re: #410 Schadenboner

Yup.

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I forgot when being an optometrist made you you an expert on Ebola.

422 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2014 9:09:02am

re: #416 FemNaziBitch

Page Tagging? I don’t even know what that means.

I still can’t do a search within LGF.

I assumed that lawhawk wanted to add an update to his post/page.

423 FemNaziBitch  Oct 2, 2014 9:09:12am

re: #413 Pie-onist Overlord

My brother-in-law is a doctor. He is also a complete whacko.

It’s kinda on the same lines as Engineers who are Creationists.

Metaphysical thinking ability sn’t necessarily required for a science degree. If it were, all would be physicists.

424 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 2, 2014 9:09:37am

re: #393 Bulworth

re:
#359

Anyone here read The Sleepwalkers, by Christopher Clark? Some very interesting background to WWI, particularly its origins in the Balkins. Although his sympathy towards Germany got so annoying towards the end I half expected to read about how England and France invaded Belgium. Anyway, somewhat of a contrarian take on WWI orgins relative to Tuchman.

amazon.com

I’ve read it and I agree with your depiction of a very pro German bias.

After I got done with it I reread Guns Of August and The Proud Tower as brain bleach. I prefer Ms. Tuchman by far.

The discussion of what has been learned about the Serbian government’s involvement in the terrorism that started the war was useful but his trying to blame everything on them and provide absolution to Wilhelm got wearying in the end.

425 FemNaziBitch  Oct 2, 2014 9:09:37am

re: #421 HappyWarrior

I forgot when being an optometrist made you you an expert on Ebola.

My mother told me that optometrists weren’t really doctors.

426 lawhawk  Oct 2, 2014 9:09:43am

re: #422 Backwoods_Sleuth

You’d be correct.

427 wrenchwench  Oct 2, 2014 9:10:25am

re: #417 Targetpractice

The reality is that, so long as there’s international travel, the possibility of Ebola patients winding up in the US are greater than zero.

Which is a reason for us to give maximum support to countries being overwhelmed by Ebola. This reason will should suffice even for those totally lacking compassion for others.

428 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 9:10:36am

re: #425 FemNaziBitch

My mother told me that optometrists weren’t really doctors.

I thought that was what they said about chiropractors. Anyhow, I had a cornea transplant. Helped me out.

429 FemNaziBitch  Oct 2, 2014 9:10:47am

re: #420 Bulworth

re:
#387

It’s astonishing to me how quickly Nazi Germany was able to not only rearm, but to develop the lethal strategy and machinery of modern warfare that so devastated Europe.

Reading in Doris Kearns Goodwin’s No Ordinary Time how the U.S. military still thought in 1940 they would be able to rely on cavalry to win a war.

Ms. Goodwin is an author I really like. Very Readable.

I have a hard time with Tuchman, even in audio, I find myself falling asleep.

430 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2014 9:11:13am

re: #426 lawhawk

You’d be correct.

And I see that it worked. YAY!

431 wrenchwench  Oct 2, 2014 9:11:15am

re: #425 FemNaziBitch

My mother told me that optometrists weren’t really doctors.

Ophthalmologists are.

432 Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2014 9:11:26am

re: #409 HappyWarrior

Yeah seems to me that it’s the classic the survivors write history with Chamberlain. I have no great admiration for him fwiw but at the same time, him being the posterboy for “weakness” is propaganda.

There’s always somebody in the aftermath of a disaster or war who wants to convince others that it was avoidable and “those in charge” screwed things up. When you’re a man who’d spent decades as a political pariah, the appeal of presenting yourself as the one who could have saved millions of lives is too much to deny.

433 Romantic Heretic  Oct 2, 2014 9:11:29am

re: #419 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The point is, the costs we are going to see in the USA for containing and treating domestic ebola cases are going to be a lot more than it would have cost us to help Africa build , equip and staff enough clinics and hospitals to limit its spread there.

Yeah, but that would require thinking ahead, plus being concerned about some blah people on the other side of the universe.

Not gonna happen.

434 FemNaziBitch  Oct 2, 2014 9:11:30am

re: #428 HappyWarrior

I thought that was what they said about chiropractors. Anyhow, I had a cornea transplant. Helped me out.

Cornea transplant done by an optometrist or an ophthalmologist?

435 FemNaziBitch  Oct 2, 2014 9:12:04am

re: #432 Targetpractice

There’s always somebody in the aftermath of a disaster or war who wants to convince others that it was avoidable and “those in charge” screwed things up. When you’re a man who’d spent decades as a political pariah, the appeal of presenting yourself as the one who could have saved millions of lives is too much to deny.

Hindsight is not only better than 20/20, it can predict the future!

436 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 9:12:28am

re: #434 FemNaziBitch

Cornea transplant done by an optometrist or an ophthalmologist?

I don’t remember actually now that you ask.

437 wrenchwench  Oct 2, 2014 9:12:43am

re: #431 wrenchwench

Ophthalmologists are.

I would have lost the spelling bee on that one. Thank you, spell check.

438 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 2, 2014 9:12:44am

re: #433 Romantic Heretic

Yeah, but that would require thinking ahead, plus being concerned about some blah people on the other side of the universe.

Not gonna happen.

It would involve giving FREE STUFF to black people, something that a lot of people have a problem with in America.

439 Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2014 9:12:45am

re: #420 Bulworth

re:
#387

It’s astonishing to me how quickly Nazi Germany was able to not only rearm, but to develop the lethal strategy and machinery of modern warfare that so devastated Europe.

Reading in Doris Kearns Goodwin’s No Ordinary Time how the U.S. military still thought in 1940 they would be able to rely on cavalry to win a war.

IIRC, we disbanded the last non-ceremonial horse cavalry at Ft Riley in 1948. We ran the Ft. Monmouth Pigeon School until the mid-50s.

440 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 9:12:51am

re: #432 Targetpractice

There’s always somebody in the aftermath of a disaster or war who wants to convince others that it was avoidable and “those in charge” screwed things up. When you’re a man who’d spent decades as a political pariah, the appeal of presenting yourself as the one who could have saved millions of lives is too much to deny.

Churchill: The original Captain Hindsight.

441 Bulworth  Oct 2, 2014 9:12:54am

re:
#424

…but his trying to blame everything on them and provide absolution to Wilhelm got wearying in the end.

Yeah, I didn’t quite finish it.

442 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 9:12:58am

re: #420 Bulworth

re:
#387

It’s astonishing to me how quickly Nazi Germany was able to not only rearm, but to develop the lethal strategy and machinery of modern warfare that so devastated Europe.

Reading in Doris Kearns Goodwin’s No Ordinary Time how the U.S. military still thought in 1940 they would be able to rely on cavalry to win a war.

The U.S. military in Afghanistan 10 years ago learned the importance of a horse cavalry. Unfortunately their uniforms and equipment evolved such that fighting on horseback was no longer efficient.

And then there was the Bicycle Infantry:

443 Ace-o-aces  Oct 2, 2014 9:13:11am

re: #414 Charles Johnson

444 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 9:13:59am

I mean I’ll be fair. Churchill was one of the few talking about Hitler but at the same time, as I got at, I do understand why the policymakers wanted to stay out of war. I understand the European isolationists much more than I do the American ones.

445 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 2, 2014 9:14:13am

re: #419 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The point is, the costs we are going to see in the USA for containing and treating domestic ebola cases are going to be a lot more than it would have cost us to help Africa build , equip and staff enough clinics and hospitals to limit its spread there.

The First World nations have, in my opinion, really dropped the ball with disease prevention and cure in the Third World. Once it became possible to easily travel between widely distant parts of the globe the notion of any disease or parasite being a strictly regional problem was obsolete. I’m only surprised that we’re not already seeing things like Chinese Liver Flukes here in the U.S.

446 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 9:16:05am

On the subject of Doris Kearns Goodwin, I loved Team of Rivals. I want to read her book about Taft and TR sometime. I read a book by a James Chace about the 1912 election that was pretty interesting too. I think I’d probably would have voted for Debs perhaps. No way Taft. Would consider TR or Wilson but would probably ultimately side with Gene. There’s something about the Progressives that rubs me a little the wrong way after reading about Tammany Hall and I guess I’m a little biased because I would have been wetter than a day at the beach on the matter of temperance and prohibition. Plus I think the Progressives were a little snobby to immigrants and ethnics.

447 Romantic Heretic  Oct 2, 2014 9:16:26am

re: #420 Bulworth

re:
#387

It’s astonishing to me how quickly Nazi Germany was able to not only rearm, but to develop the lethal strategy and machinery of modern warfare that so devastated Europe.

Reading in Doris Kearns Goodwin’s No Ordinary Time how the U.S. military still thought in 1940 they would be able to rely on cavalry to win a war.

It’s been a standard throughout history; winners fight the last war, losers fight the next one.

Winning meant people like Fuller, Hart and Hobart got sidelined in Britain while in Germany Guderian was able to get the resources he needed to start building Panzer divisions.

Also helpful for Guderian is that Shicklegruber was insane and so thought outside the box. Panzers were just the thing to appeal to Hitler, especially since the professionals mostly looked at them with disdain.

448 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 2, 2014 9:17:05am
449 Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2014 9:17:16am

re: #420 Bulworth

re:
#387

It’s astonishing to me how quickly Nazi Germany was able to not only rearm, but to develop the lethal strategy and machinery of modern warfare that so devastated Europe.

Reading in Doris Kearns Goodwin’s No Ordinary Time how the U.S. military still thought in 1940 they would be able to rely on cavalry to win a war.

Warfare evolved a great deal between 1914 and 1946. Hell, even at the start of WWII, the Wehrmacht was not entirely mechanized. And even with two years to prepare between Munich and the start of the war, the majority of the tanks in use were still light tanks that had been intended to train soldiers while medium and heavy tanks were built. Germany’s early success had more to do with the fact that its enemies were even more woefully unprepared than they were. France had better tanks but not enough men trained to operate them and those that did get used were used piecemeal rather than in massed units.

450 gwangung  Oct 2, 2014 9:17:17am

re: #438 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It would involve giving FREE STUFF to black people, something that a lot of people have a problem with in America.

Mix that with a big heaping of “penny wise, pound foolish” and that’s the Republican Party of 2014 in a nutshell.

451 Bulworth  Oct 2, 2014 9:17:32am

re:
#429

I have a hard time with Tuchman, even in audio, I find myself falling asleep.

I failed to get through much of The Guns of August in book form in college, but finally zipped through it with Kindle a couple years ago. She manages to combine a dramatic style with a lot of dense minutia, which was somewhat distracting and mind-numbing from time to time. But overall I was surprised how much I took to it once I got going.

452 Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2014 9:20:00am

re: #448 NJDhockeyfan

Quarantined woman speaks out on Ebola patient Watch Live Now

If a pretty blonde breaks quarantine and goes missing, Nancy Grace gets a Pulitzer/Emmy/National Book Award.

453 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 9:21:38am

re: #452 Decatur Deb

If a pretty blonde breaks quarantine and goes missing, Nancy Grace gets a Pulitzer/Emmy/National Book Award.

Agh i don’t like her. She’s part why we have this revenge driven culture on criminal justice.

454 Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2014 9:22:36am

re: #451 Bulworth

re:
#429

I failed to get through much of The Guns of August in book form in college, but finally zipped through it with Kindle a couple years ago. She manages to combine a dramatic style with a lot of dense minutia, which was somewhat distracting and mind-numbing from time to time. But overall I was surprised how much I took to it once I got going.

Realized she was a great writer when she made me care about obscure French socialist infighting in “The Proud Tower”.

455 Bulworth  Oct 2, 2014 9:23:27am

re:
#447

Winning meant people like Fuller, Hart and Hobart got sidelined in Britain while in Germany Guderian was able to get the resources he needed to start building Panzer divisions.

Also helpful for Guderian is that Shicklegruber was insane and so thought outside the box. Panzers were just the thing to appeal to Hitler, especially since the professionals mostly looked at them with disdain.

Hmmm, fascinating!

At the same time, there were instances, such as at Dunkirk, where Hitler could have crippled, if not knocked out completely, Great Britain. And from my viewing of The World At War, it seems as if the German U-boats could have similarly prevented the U.S. from successfully aiding GB if Hitler had devoted the resources to it, although the U-boats were extremely destructive as it was.

456 Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2014 9:23:45am

re: #453 HappyWarrior

Agh i don’t like her. She’s part why we have this revenge driven culture on criminal justice.

Don’t like her? She’s the poster child for cultural collapse.

457 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 9:24:35am

Reading Robert Service’s Comrades now though. Just got done reading about the COMINTERN and why Communism really never took off here in the US. I always did find it interesting though that Debs did his best in states that are now staunchly Republican and who are filled with voters and politicians who act like Obama is a Marxist.

458 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 9:24:58am

re: #456 Decatur Deb

Don’t like her? She’s the poster child for cultural collapse.

You’re a far more harsh judge than I am heh.

459 Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2014 9:25:34am

re: #455 Bulworth

re:
#447

Hmmm, fascinating!

At the same time, there were instances, such as at Dunkirk, where Hitler could have crippled, if not knocked out completely, Great Britain. And from my viewing of The World At War, it seems as if the German U-boats could have similarly prevented the U.S. from successfully aiding GB if Hitler had devoted the resources to it, although the U-boats were extremely destructive as it was.

Hitler was his own worst enemy. So many of the decisions that ultimately cost Germany the war either began or ended with him. From epic blunders like Operation Barbarossa to his insistence that virtually every aircraft designed be capable of operating as a bomber.

460 Romantic Heretic  Oct 2, 2014 9:25:55am

re: #449 Targetpractice

Warfare evolved a great deal between 1914 and 1946. Hell, even at the start of WWII, the Wehrmacht was not entirely mechanized. And even with two years to prepare between Munich and the start of the war, the majority of the tanks in use were still light tanks that had been intended to train soldiers while medium and heavy tanks were built. Germany’s early success had more to do with the fact that its enemies were even more woefully unprepared than they were. France had better tanks but not enough men trained to operate them and those that did get used were used piecemeal rather than in massed units.

Overlooked, in my opinion, is that the German tanks had much better ergonomic design.

In most French tank there was a one man turret, which housed the tank commander. So he had to command the tank, load and fire the main gun as well as communicate with other tanks using flags. Way too much work for one man, and flags are not a good idea in a battlefield.

German tanks had much better layouts with three or two man turrets. All the commander had to do was command the tanks. Shooting, loading etc. was done by the crew members assigned to it. Plus intercoms and radios made communicating and coordinating much easier.

461 Schadenboner  Oct 2, 2014 9:26:00am

re: #425 FemNaziBitch

My mother told me that optometrists weren’t really doctors.

Optometrists aren’t, Randy is an Ophthalmologist which is a legitimate medical specialty.

462 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 2, 2014 9:26:27am

re: #451 Bulworth

re:
#429

I failed to get through much of The Guns of August in book form in college, but finally zipped through it with Kindle a couple years ago. She manages to combine a dramatic style with a lot of dense minutia, which was somewhat distracting and mind-numbing from time to time. But overall I was surprised how much I took to it once I got going.

Never had a problem with any of her books and never found a bad one in the pile. I first ran into “A Distant Mirror” and then, after learning a bit about her, picked up “The Guns of August”. After that I burned through her oeuvre like there was no tomorrow. Love her style, just love it.

463 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 9:27:28am

re: #461 Schadenboner

Optometrists aren’t, Randy is an Ophthalmologist which is a legitimate medical specialty.

Whoops my bad there. My point though being an ophthalmologist doesn’t qualify him to talk about Ebola as an expert. Any more than my history degree (with modern European as my unofficial speciality) qualify me to talk about sub-Saharan African history.

464 FemNaziBitch  Oct 2, 2014 9:27:29am

I’ve been dealing with so much reality lately, when I read or watch TV, I don’t want anything close to it.

I don’t even want to watch detective shows that are in the current time.

I don’t think I’ll be tackling any non-fiction books for a long while.

465 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 2, 2014 9:27:43am

re: #459 Targetpractice

Hitler was his own worst enemy. So many of the decisions that ultimately cost Germany the war either began or ended with him. From epic blunders like Operation Barbarossa to his insistence that virtually every aircraft designed be capable of operating as a bomber.

Many people claim that Hitler could have won the war if he had listened to his generals, but the fact is that his generals were almost all against starting the war in the first place.

466 FemNaziBitch  Oct 2, 2014 9:28:56am

re: #465 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Many people claim that Hitler could have won the war if he had listened to his generals, but the fact is that his generals were almost all against starting the war in the first place.

IIRC, his generals were not mentally ill.

467 Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2014 9:29:26am

re: #461 Schadenboner

Optometrists aren’t, Randy is an Ophthalmologist which is a legitimate medical specialty.

Even if your home-made certification board isn’t all that legitimate.

468 Romantic Heretic  Oct 2, 2014 9:29:48am

re: #455 Bulworth

re:
#447

Hmmm, fascinating!

At the same time, there were instances, such as at Dunkirk, where Hitler could have crippled, if not knocked out completely, Great Britain. And from my viewing of The World At War, it seems as if the German U-boats could have similarly prevented the U.S. from successfully aiding GB if Hitler had devoted the resources to it, although the U-boats were extremely destructive as it was.

The Kriegsmarine had planned on 300 ocean going submarines; 100 on station, 100 in transit and 100 hundred resting and refitting. They had, as I recall, 57, of which some were meant for coastal defence and so unsuited for the North Atlantic.

That so few boats did so much damage makes me very glad Hitler started the war before Germany was really ready.

469 lawhawk  Oct 2, 2014 9:31:40am

So, the Texas patient had been screened to fly, but somehow it was missed that he had helped a person who had Ebola - direct physical contact with someone with Ebola.

That should have raised red flags in Liberia before he ever set foot on a plane.

The people screening in West Africa have to ask the right questions just as surely as those at hospitals doing intake have to do the same.

Have you come in contact with someone who was sick in West Africa with any of the following symptoms..
When did that contact occur (count days)…

Check for actual symptoms.

If person is not symptomatic, warn person not to fly or alert facilities at destination that person may have been infected, but isn’t symptomatic. Get person medical attention at destination or have person in quarantine in origination country until they clear the incubation window.

470 Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2014 9:32:12am

re: #465 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Many people claim that Hitler could have won the war if he had listened to his generals, but the fact is that his generals were almost all against starting the war in the first place.

Depends on the general. Rule of the thumb was the closer they were to him, the more likely they were either equally batshit insane or so afraid for their lives that they’d agree to send 10,000 men to the Arctic Circle if Der Fuhrer ordered it. Plus too many tried to reinvent themselves after the war as the lone voice of reason to know with absolute certainty.

471 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 9:32:17am

There’s a lot to be grateful for regarding Hitler’s idiocy. The Nazis stupidly did not take full advantage of how much the Soviet Union were despised in the Soviet Union. Yes, there were some collaborators of course but the Nazi hatred of Slavs hurt them big time. I do need to watch more of that Nazi collaborators DVD set I got though. That’s the kind of stuff that interests me actually more than Hitler and the Germans.

472 Bulworth  Oct 2, 2014 9:32:53am

re:
#446

On the subject of Doris Kearns Goodwin, I loved Team of Rivals. I want to read her book about Taft and TR sometime.

I have it and have read about half way through it. While I like it a great deal, it’s a pretty hefty read, especially in hard cover. I believe it is now out in paperback. But yes I enjoy her writing style very much.

I’ve been very surprised to read how well-regarded Taft is in the book, at least through 1906. I don’t know much about him. Interestingly, Taft is one of the presidents still not represented in the very great series of condensed presidential biographies started by Arthur Schlessinger before he died. The Series has produced slim volumes for almost all of the presidents, even George H.W. Bush. I guess they have had a hard time lining up a biographer for Taft, although I understand the Taft book is at least in development.

Anyway, Goodwin’s TR/Taft book also contains great info about the muckracking journalists, such as Ida Tarbell.

473 Schadenboner  Oct 2, 2014 9:33:10am

re: #452 Decatur Deb

If a pretty blonde breaks quarantine and goes missing, Nancy Grace gets a she-boner.

FTFY

474 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 2, 2014 9:33:16am

re: #465 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Many people Almost all of his generals , after the war, claimed that Hitler could have won the war if he had listened to his generals, but the fact is that his generals were almost all against starting the war in the first place.

FTFY. And they were not nearly as good at generalship as they and BH Liddel-Hart would have you believe. The scam worked though and many of them got good jobs as “anti-communists” either in the Bundeswehr or consulting with them.

475 blueraven  Oct 2, 2014 9:33:38am

re: #310 NJDhockeyfan


Not according to the experts

Although experts agree that the risks from Ebola are severe they do not believe the virus could become airborne.

Professor David Heymann CBE, chairman of Public Health England and professor of Infectious Disease Epidemiology at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said no virus transmitted by bodily fluids - as Ebola is - had ever mutated to airborne transmission.

“There has never been a virus transmitted in this manner that converts to a respiratory virus, and there is no evidence that this has ever occurred in the epidemiology,” he said at a discussion programme on the virus in London on Wednesday night. He mentioned HIV and Hepatitis B as example of viruses transmitted by bodily fluids that had “never converted to a respiratory virus”.

Dr Jeremy Farrar, Director of the Wellcome Trust, added that a sense of proportion should be kept when discussing Ebola.
“The chances of Ebola becoming airborne are extremely small. I am not aware of any viral infection changing its mode of transmission. It’s important we retain a sense of proportion and not exaggerate the risks for it changing and becoming airborne,” he told the Telegraph. “There is already enough fear and panic surrounding this epidemic.

476 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 2, 2014 9:34:04am

re: #470 Targetpractice

Depends on the general. Rule of the thumb was the closer they were to him, the more likely they were either equally batshit insane or so afraid for their lives that they’d agree to send 10,000 men to the Arctic Circle if Der Fuhrer ordered it. Plus too many tried to reinvent themselves after the war as the lone voice of reason to know with absolute certainty.

Hitler made a point of running competent generals out of the army through trumped-up scandals and promoting sycophants. And he generally distrusted the Junker class that produced so many of Germany’s officers.

477 Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2014 9:34:54am

re: #469 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

So, the Texas patient had been screened to fly, but somehow it was missed that he had helped a person who had Ebola - direct physical contact with someone with Ebola.

That should have raised red flags in Liberia before he ever set foot on a plane.

The people screening in West Africa have to ask the right questions just as surely as those at hospitals doing intake have to do the same.

Have you come in contact with someone who was sick in West Africa with any of the following symptoms..
When did that contact occur (count days)…

Check for actual symptoms.

If person is not symptomatic, warn person not to fly or alert facilities at destination that person may have been infected, but isn’t symptomatic. Get person medical attention at destination or have person in quarantine in origination country until they clear the incubation window.

Passport Control might work for tips.

478 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 2, 2014 9:35:32am

re: #473 Schadenboner

FTFY

God yes. Unlike many of the teahadi who are simply ignorant, she is actively, joyfully, evil in her intent and her actions. I really think she enjoys destroying people’s lives.

479 FemNaziBitch  Oct 2, 2014 9:35:58am

Reality Check’s collection on the anti-choice movement

480 lawhawk  Oct 2, 2014 9:36:08am

re: #477 Decatur Deb

That one is gratis.

481 Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2014 9:36:14am

re: #468 Romantic Heretic

The Kriegsmarine had planned on 300 ocean going submarines; 100 on station, 100 in transit and 100 hundred resting and refitting. They had, as I recall, 57, of which some were meant for coastal defence and so unsuited for the North Atlantic.

That so few boats did so much damage makes me very glad Hitler started the war before Germany was really ready.

The general order of love that the services got was Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, and then Kriegsmarine. Hitler loved the first, Goering (as designated successor) considered the second his pet project, and the third was viewed more as an afterthought than a serious weapon against Germany’s enemies. For example, part of the reason the Graf Zepplin was never completed was because Goering refused to consider allowing the Kriegsmarine operate aircraft that were not under his direct control. Plus the resources that were going to it were stripped away when time came to launch Barbarossa.

482 FemNaziBitch  Oct 2, 2014 9:37:27am

re: #473 Schadenboner

FTFY

I’m out-of-the-loop, I thought this was Greta’s domain.

483 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 2, 2014 9:37:52am

re: #470 Targetpractice

Depends on the general. Rule of the thumb was the closer they were to him, the more likely they were either equally batshit insane or so afraid for their lives that they’d agree to send 10,000 men to the Arctic Circle if Der Fuhrer ordered it. Plus too many tried to reinvent themselves after the war as the lone voice of reason to know with absolute certainty.

By the end of the war, Hitler refused to resupply his own troops, using all the available rolling stock for KILLING JEWS.

484 Schadenboner  Oct 2, 2014 9:38:38am

re: #478 William Barnett-Lewis

God yes. Unlike many of the teahadi who are simply ignorant, she is actively, joyfully, evil in her intent and her actions. I really think she enjoys destroying people’s lives.

Studio 60, for all its sins, had a really good bit on her, which I have tried and failed to find in the Tubes.

485 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2014 9:38:56am

re: #359 Romantic Heretic

Tuchman is one of the great history writers of the 20th Century. Also recommended by her is The March of Folly: From Troy to Vietnam It’s a fascinating read about human stupidity in high places and the effects it had on their societies.

I am a big fan of _A Distant Mirror_ as well since it was a very good look at the 14th century.

486 Bulworth  Oct 2, 2014 9:40:48am

Looking forward to this book, essentially about WWI’s aftermath and the world it created.

amazon.com

There have been a number of books to come out recently focused on the war’s origins—which makes sense given the 100 year mark of its beginning.

But how WWI ended as it did, and the wide ranging and catastrophic consequences of that end is an equally compelling story.

487 FemNaziBitch  Oct 2, 2014 9:41:21am

It is never a bad time for cuteness:

488 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 2, 2014 9:42:36am

re: #387 Targetpractice

Chamberlain had no choice. Britain was not prepared for war with Germany and while his French counterpart was also at Munich, the French people were even less enthusiastic about going to war. Whether we wish to admit it or not, in 1938, Hitler really did hold all the cards.

While unfortunately not realizing that Germany was even less prepared or capable in 1938. By 1940 Germany’s military position had improved much more than had France’s or Britain’s.

489 FemNaziBitch  Oct 2, 2014 9:44:25am

sign if you wish.

WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO:
light the White House purple in honor of domestic violence awareness month this October.

I spent part of tuesday cutting and tying purple ribbons around the DV shelter for which I volunteer.

490 Lidane  Oct 2, 2014 9:45:56am

re: #461 Schadenboner

Optometrists aren’t, Randy is an Ophthalmologist which is a legitimate medical specialty.

True. But Rand’s opthamology training doesn’t make him an expert in infectious disease.

Rand Paul babbling about Ebola is like that GOP cardiologist (Frist?) babbling about Terri Schiavo’s condition based on videotape.

491 Schadenboner  Oct 2, 2014 9:52:53am

As long as this has turned into a books thread, I recommend Richard J. Evans’ Third Reich Trilogy in the strongest possible terms. An amazing body of work that (and I think this is rare) succeeds in both contextualizing the Third Reich and treating it as a proper historical subject.

As much as I hate the term: serious trigger warning on the third book. Evens doesn’t fuck around, and the Shoah portions are horrifying (even by the standards of the field), especially in audio format.

E: Damnit, I take the time to write complete sentences and miss the end of the thread.

492 HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2014 9:54:11am

re: #490 Lidane

True. But Rand’s opthamology training doesn’t make him an expert in infectious disease.

Rand Paul babbling about Ebola is like that GOP cardiologist (Frist?) babbling about Terri Schiavo’s condition based on videotape.

Yeah it was Frist since he was their party leader in the Senate at the time. Scary to think he looks reasonable compared to Mitch McConnell.

493 ObserverArt  Oct 2, 2014 9:54:36am

Damn, the posts are flying fast today. It’s hard to catch up and try to comment before the comment is already trumped by someone else.

I guess that calls for read only mode while I try to do other things too.

I am growing concerned about Ebola though.

We have an America where people do stupid and dangerous stuff caused by fake outrages. Now that there is a real threat of something happening I expect stupid and dangerous to grow out of control. A total freak out.

Also, it is a climate for the hucksters to come out. How long before we see commercials for Ebola home protection kits for only $2995.00 guaranteed? Or, special herbal Ebola prevention vitamin supplements. Maybe special Ebola-free diets.

I am more worried about the crazy spreading the disease than the disease spreading the way it does naturally.

494 ObserverArt  Oct 2, 2014 9:59:23am

re: #489 FemNaziBitch

sign if you wish.

WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO:
light the White House purple in honor of domestic violence awareness month this October.

I spent part of tuesday cutting and tying purple ribbons around the DV shelter for which I volunteer.

Isn’t October already pink for breast cancer?

Gonna need lighting with color gels that change back and forth or something.

Well…back to work and LGF reading…and staining my outside front entrance that I have been stripping, sanding and repairing, etc. for the last month or three. Gotta beat the oncoming weather. Project has taken way more than I expected…but being a damn wannabee perfectionist of German background makes it tough!

495 FemNaziBitch  Oct 2, 2014 10:05:41am

re: #493 ObserverArt

Damn, the posts are flying fast today. It’s hard to catch up and try to comment before the comment is already trumped by someone else.

I guess that calls for read only mode while I try to do other things too.

I am growing concerned about Ebola though.

We have an America where people do stupid and dangerous stuff caused by fake outrages. Now that there is a real threat of something happening I expect stupid and dangerous to grow out of control. A total freak out.

Also, it is a climate for the hucksters to come out. How long before we see commercials for Ebola home protection kits for only $2995.00 guaranteed? Or, special herbal Ebola prevention vitamin supplements. Maybe special Ebola-free diets.

I am more worried about the crazy spreading the disease than the disease spreading the way it does naturally.

CRAZY SPREADS DISEASE faster than airline travel!

496 Schadenboner  Oct 2, 2014 10:08:02am

...

497 FemNaziBitch  Oct 2, 2014 10:08:57am

I’m a Nightcrawler?

498 Romantic Heretic  Oct 2, 2014 10:14:31am

re: #481 Targetpractice

The general order of love that the services got was Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, and then Kriegsmarine. Hitler loved the first, Goering (as designated successor) considered the second his pet project, and the third was viewed more as an afterthought than a serious weapon against Germany’s enemies. For example, part of the reason the Graf Zepplin was never completed was because Goering refused to consider allowing the Kriegsmarine operate aircraft that were not under his direct control. Plus the resources that were going to it were stripped away when time came to launch Barbarossa.

If a nation is going to fight a world war it has to be prepared to fight at sea.


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