Trump's Total Ban on Muslims Is Back on His Website

Trump’s Total Ban on Muslims Is Back on His Website

“There is great hatred towards Americans”

PoliticsNovember 2016 • Views: 46,931

Yesterday it was reported in many places that Donald Trump’s page advocating a “total and complete” ban on Muslims entering the US had been removed from his website, and many people took that as a sign that he might be starting to move away from the disgusting bigotry that has characterized his entire campaign.

Well, nope. It must have been a temporary glitch in his website code or database, because today it’s back and the language hasn’t changed a bit.

UPDATE at 11/10/16 12:55:01 pm by Charles Johnson

I asked @realDonaldTrump if he plans to ask Congress to ban Muslims from entering the country. He walked away pic.twitter.com/hnxdDZr8jV

— Kasie Hunt (@kasie) November 10, 2016

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gocart mozart Nov 10, 2016 • 12:36:58pm

MoveOn dot org joins Bernie Sanders in pushing for Rep Keith Ellison D-MN as DNC chair pic.twitter.com/pIT0l8Z6nr

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 12:39:11pm

re: #1 gocart mozart

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Repeating downstairs. I don’t think DNC chair should be someone in office and I’m awfully curious about Sanders pushing him given that Ellison was one of his few supporters. I just don’t know if Keith who has never really done anything like this before would be a good fit for the job. I want to bring the 50 state strategy back too though.

Dr. Matt Nov 10, 2016 • 12:40:16pm

Trump’s America.

“Hey n*****. Pick that up. Keep my streets clean,” said the emboldened white Trump supporter to this Black woman in Indiana. pic.twitter.com/RQjFnbiVRx

— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) November 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 12:41:45pm

re: #3 Dr. Matt

Trump’s America.

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I wish there was something I could do or say to this woman. He really has awakened something really ugly in this country. I’ve never seen racists so emboldened by a Presidential election.

gocart mozart Nov 10, 2016 • 12:41:51pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

I like Ellison, I have no idea how good at organizing he will be but he is from the correct wing of the party, smart and says he will resume 50 state strategy.

lawhawk Nov 10, 2016 • 12:43:12pm

re: #3 Dr. Matt

Seriously, screw Shaun King. His ratfucking during the primaries was unconscionable and beyond the pale. No respect for him at all.

As for the message he is relaying - yes that’s entirely what Trump will have brought to the table. And King played a small part in helping that become a reality.

William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 12:43:37pm

The more I read and the more people I talk to here in Wisconsin there are two things that cost Hillary the election here:

1) Being Anti-Gun. Lots of democrats here that own guns and believed she’d pull an Australia.

2) The FBI director’s letter.

less important in my immediate area but close,

3) Abortion.

HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 12:44:24pm

re: #5 gocart mozart

I like Ellison, I have no idea how good at organizing he will be but he is from the correct wing of the party, smart and says he will resume 50 state strategy.

I like him too and agree with all said. I just don’t know yeah how well he can organize and I really am sketpical about another sitting office holder being chair. Dean did so well since DNC Chair literally was his job. He didn’t have to worry about being governor or anything like that.

Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 10, 2016 • 12:44:40pm

re: #7 William Lewis

So, for the time being the Democrats will need to surrender the Gun Control part.

Mike Lamb Nov 10, 2016 • 12:45:03pm

re: #3 Dr. Matt

Trump’s America.

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Why does she have to play the race card?

Charles Johnson Nov 10, 2016 • 12:45:05pm

re: #3 Dr. Matt

Trump’s America.

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Shaun King is an asshole. He was one of the worst anti-Hillary leftists, spreading all kinds of bullshit and conspiracy theories. Fuck him. He should be apologizing for helping elect Donald Trump because he did.

Dr. Matt Nov 10, 2016 • 12:45:58pm

Hey @SusanSarandon! How many of the 22 mill ppl about to lose the health insurance will u buy policies for? #NarcissiticLimousineLiberal.

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 12:46:41pm

re: #7 William Lewis

The more I read and the more people I talk to here in Wisconsin there are two things that cost Hillary the election here:

1) Being Anti-Gun. Lots of democrats here that own guns and believed she’d pull an Australia.

2) The FBI director’s letter.

less important in my immediate area but close,

3) Abortion.

I don’t understand though regarding abortion. Democrats have been pro-choice on a national level for a while. Maybe you’ve got a point about the guns but I hate to sound condescending, it’s a trap, people get told Dems are going to ban guns and they never have proposed anything close to what is told. Disappointed Comey’s letter had a role too. Fuck him.

Sir John Barron Nov 10, 2016 • 12:47:29pm

re: #8 HappyWarrior

I like him too and agree with all said. I just don’t know yeah how well he can organize and I really am sketpical about another sitting office holder being chair. Dean did so well since DNC Chair literally was his job. He didn’t have to worry about being governor or anything like that.

I’m also hesitant to ascribe some great importance to who the DNC chair is.

Mike Lamb Nov 10, 2016 • 12:47:46pm

re: #9 Ziggy_TARDIS

So, for the time being the Democrats will need to surrender the Gun Control part.

No. I’m sorry but fuck anyone that believes Dems are “coming for your guns”. It’s. Not. Going. To. Happen. I’m not bending to counterfactual bullshit like that. And someone needs to stand up for reasonable gun regulations.

lawhawk Nov 10, 2016 • 12:48:07pm

Whoever runs the DNC next has a huge job ahead of them. Not only reforging the GOTV from the base up, but making sure that candidates get support from the ground level. That’s where winning back Congress and ultimately the WH comes from.

It means making inroads in Middle America and fighting to get back rural areas of places like PA, WI, IN, OH, and even FL. These are Congressional districts you can’t just write off.

Next DNC chair needs to be a full time gig. Someone who is ruthless - and yes - that also means not letting outsiders run on the Democratic party ticket. Sorry Bernie bros. You don’t get to screw over the Democrats again. Bernie was according a privilege to run, and the Democrats got screwed because of it.

Lifelong Democrats were pissed that Bernie got to run without putting in the time and effort in growing the party from within. He doesn’t get a pass, and he certainly didn’t deserve the respect of party insiders.

And Bernie supporters think they could just rule the roost without putting in any of the work and effort either and force their agenda onto lifelong Democrats. That wasn’t going to end well either.

Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 10, 2016 • 12:48:19pm

I asked @realDonaldTrump if he plans to ask Congress to ban Muslims from entering the country. He walked away pic.twitter.com/hnxdDZr8jV

— Kasie Hunt (@kasie) November 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 12:48:30pm

re: #14 Sir John Barron

I’m also hesitant to ascribe some great importance to who the DNC chair is.

I don’t know. I really think Dean helped.

HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 12:49:27pm

re: #15 Mike Lamb

No. I’m sorry but fuck anyone that believes Dems are “coming for your guns”. It’s. Not. Going. To. Happen. I’m not bending to counterfactual bullshit like that. And someone needs to stand up for reasonable gun regulations.

I have to agree with this. I’m sorry but gun owners have to stop falling for the lies that we’re out for their guns. And I agree that someone needs to stand up for reasonable regulation when gun violence is high.

Blind Frog Belly White Nov 10, 2016 • 12:49:31pm

re: #9 Ziggy_TARDIS

So, for the time being the Democrats will need to surrender the Gun Control part.

You know, honestly, I’m not sure how much more we could surrender it than we already have. Generally we advocate positions that >80% of Americans agree with, and yet wingnuts talk as if we advocate rounding up all the guns. We’re advocating positions the NRA itself agreed with 20 years ago, but they’re painted as extreme.

wrenchwench Nov 10, 2016 • 12:49:41pm

To have this phrase:

Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine.

in that document is dripping the irony all over everything.

CriticalDragon1177 Nov 10, 2016 • 12:50:00pm

“Lovely.”

Whomever his Democratic opponent is in 2020 needs to use stuff like this against him.

Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 10, 2016 • 12:50:21pm

The shift in white America between 2004 and 2012, and 2012 to 2016 pic.twitter.com/v7wPD2hZF2

— Nate Cohn (@Nate_Cohn) November 10, 2016

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Sir John Barron Nov 10, 2016 • 12:50:23pm

re: #7 William Lewis

The more I read and the more people I talk to here in Wisconsin there are two things that cost Hillary the election here:

1) Being Anti-Gun. Lots of democrats here that own guns and believed she’d pull an Australia.

2) The FBI director’s letter.

less important in my immediate area but close,

3) Abortion.

Respect the input you’re receiving. But Dems have always had an anti-gun reputation and have always been pro-choice. Not sure why it would be that much different this time. Or was it thought that HRC emphasized these issues too much at the convention or on the campaign trail? The funding of Planned Parenthood emerged this year as a particular aspect of the abortion debate. Was there concern about that?

Belafon Nov 10, 2016 • 12:50:24pm

re: #7 William Lewis

The more I read and the more people I talk to here in Wisconsin there are two things that cost Hillary the election here:

1) Being Anti-Gun. Lots of democrats here that own guns and believed she’d pull an Australia.

2) The FBI director’s letter.

less important in my immediate area but close,

3) Abortion.

In 8 years, Obama never took a gun, and yet they think Clinton would. Talk about having any excuse ready.

Dr. Matt Nov 10, 2016 • 12:50:29pm

re: #7 William Lewis

The more I read and the more people I talk to here in Wisconsin there are two things that cost Hillary the election here:

1) Being Anti-Gun. Lots of democrats here that own guns and believed she’d pull an Australia.

2) The FBI director’s letter.

less important in my immediate area but close,

3) Abortion.

Actual quote before the election from a senior leader at the NIH who is a Catholic Democrat: “I won’t vote for Hillary because she wants to rip babies out of mothers”. Sadly, many Democrats are single issue voters.

Citizen K Nov 10, 2016 • 12:50:32pm

re: #9 Ziggy_TARDIS

So, for the time being the Democrats will need to surrender the Gun Control part.

NRA wins a-fucking-gain. The unassailable juggernaut of politics, ladies and gentlemen.

God, I hate them. I fucking hate them, and I fucking hate how powerless we are against them.

Sir John Barron Nov 10, 2016 • 12:51:22pm

re: #26 Dr. Matt

Actual quote before the election from a senior leader at the NIH who is a Catholic Democrat: “I won’t vote for Hillary because she wants to rip babies out of mothers”. Sadly, many Democrats are single issue voters.

Can’t imagine how Democratic this person can be in there partisan identification.

lawhawk Nov 10, 2016 • 12:52:16pm

re: #26 Dr. Matt

Actual quote before the election from a senior leader at the NIH who is a Catholic Democrat: “I won’t vote for Hillary because she wants to rip babies out of mothers”. Sadly, many Democrats are single issue voters.

And that’s a line Trump used at the debate. An absolute lie, but lies can and are quite effective. Trump uses lies more effectively than any other recent politician.

HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 12:52:26pm

re: #26 Dr. Matt

Actual quote before the election from a senior leader at the NIH who is a Catholic Democrat: “I won’t vote for Hillary because she wants to rip babies out of mothers”. Sadly, many Democrats are single issue voters.

Again, the Democrats have been pro-choice for years. What the hell changed to these people? And I’m sorry but this just stumps me. My own great aunt is like this and she was supporting Democrats in the 80’s when they were pro-choice too.

gocart mozart Nov 10, 2016 • 12:52:34pm

Hot take from @DrJillStein : “Chill my peeps, Trump Presidency not quite as bad as chattel slavery or Native American genocide.”

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William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 12:52:42pm

re: #9 Ziggy_TARDIS

So, for the time being the Democrats will need to surrender the Gun Control part.

They need to forget it period if they ever want to win. Take out GC and you’d have Wisconsin & possibly Michigan in her column.

You want to change gun culture? Do it the same way we changed tobacco use. But having people talk about regulations and bans? The Democrats here in the midwest will vote Republican instead every time.

That’s how Walker won the recall and why Hillary lost.

Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 10, 2016 • 12:52:52pm

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

Blood is draining from my face again.

EPR-radar Nov 10, 2016 • 12:53:07pm

re: #14 Sir John Barron

I’m also hesitant to ascribe some great importance to who the DNC chair is.

I don’t care if it’s from the DNC chair or somewhere else, but the Democratic party absolutely needs to have consistent leadership. The party needs ideological discipline combined with a realistic assessment of the ‘art of the possible’ and also needs to commit at least to credible (D) candidates every 2 years in each and every House district in the nation.

Citizen K Nov 10, 2016 • 12:53:22pm

re: #15 Mike Lamb

No. I’m sorry but fuck anyone that believes Dems are “coming for your guns”. It’s. Not. Going. To. Happen. I’m not bending to counterfactual bullshit like that. And someone needs to stand up for reasonable gun regulations.

re: #19 HappyWarrior

I have to agree with this. I’m sorry but gun owners have to stop falling for the lies that we’re out for their guns. And I agree that someone needs to stand up for reasonable regulation when gun violence is high.

I agree with this on moral grounds, but god help me, it feels like the NRA just never loses. And we could scrub any and all references to gun control, campaign with fucking bandoliers and stroke an AK at every campaign rally, and they’d still be able to get away with accusing us of wanting to steal all their guns.

We’re in the no-win situation far as guns forever.

William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 12:53:57pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

I don’t understand though regarding abortion. Democrats have been pro-choice on a national level for a while.

The fundies came out in record numbers because they want Roe V Wade to get a stake through it’s heart.

Belafon Nov 10, 2016 • 12:54:37pm

re: #32 William Lewis

They need to forget it period if they ever want to win. Take out GC and you’d have Wisconsin & possibly Michigan in her column.

You want to change gun culture? Do it the same way we changed tobacco use. But having people talk about regulations and bans? The Democrats here in the midwest will vote Republican instead every time.

That’s how Walker won the recall and why Hillary lost.

Once again, what gun control? The only gun control being proposed is upping the registration requirements, which is supported by most gun owners. There has been no other gun control. At best, they’re buying to the NRA; at worst, it’s really just an excuse not to vote for a woman.

CriticalDragon1177 Nov 10, 2016 • 12:54:46pm

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Sir John Barron Nov 10, 2016 • 12:54:50pm

re: #32 William Lewis

But having people talk about regulations and bans?

I missed this part. What were Democrats banning? I thought the main thing was closing gun show loop holes, improving background checks, etc.

HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 12:55:05pm

re: #20 Blind Frog Belly White

You know, honestly, I’m not sure how much more we could surrender it than we already have. Generally we advocate positions that >80% of Americans agree with, and yet wingnuts talk as if we advocate rounding up all the guns. We’re advocating positions the NRA itself agreed with 20 years ago, but they’re painted as extreme.

No kidding. I’m sorry to all the LGF gun owners here but I’m tired of lies about our party’s poistion and guns. Most Americans indeed even most conservatives seem to agree with what our positions are. but the fucking assholes at the NRA who constantly lie about our position to drive out the gun vote fuck thisi issue and honestly get a lot peopel including children killed.

wrenchwench Nov 10, 2016 • 12:55:07pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Again, the Democrats have been pro-choice for years. What the hell changed to these people? And I’m sorry but this just stumps me. My own great aunt is like this and she was supporting Democrats in the 80’s when they were pro-choice too.

There’s something about having a woman at the head of everything that makes the freedom to choose an abortion just a step too far. Maybe it was the pledge to end Hyde, giving poor women the same right.

Dr. Matt Nov 10, 2016 • 12:55:23pm

re: #29 lawhawk

And that’s a line Trump used at the debate. An absolute lie, but lies can and are quite effective. Trump uses lies more effectively than any other recent politician.

Yeah. My jaw dropped wide open. Someone so accomplished in science and medicine and yet so fucking ignorant on politics.

lawhawk Nov 10, 2016 • 12:55:25pm

Trump transition website is up; entire financial services section is about intent to “dismantle the Dodd-Frank Act” https://t.co/4ChwwvNXNU

— George Zornick (@gzornick) November 10, 2016

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Dismantling federal regulations on banking and financial industry. Yeah, that’ll help the little guy. That’s a giveaway to people like Trump who don’t pay much attention to the rules.

Blind Frog Belly White Nov 10, 2016 • 12:55:29pm

re: #23 Ziggy_TARDIS

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I don’t know a way to simultaneously appeal to PoCs and exurban white people.

Charles Johnson Nov 10, 2016 • 12:55:39pm

It nauseates me to see that fucking fascist walking around the White House.

Stanley Sea Nov 10, 2016 • 12:56:46pm

I can’t keep up because I’m doing WORK to keep my mind straight.

Aps if posted, but worth it.

Breaking with tradition, Obamas canceled first couples’ photo op with Trumps before first-ever meeting https://t.co/EYnDNRuUxQ

— Catherine Thompson (@KT_thomps) November 10, 2016

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Sir John Barron Nov 10, 2016 • 12:56:53pm

re: #36 William Lewis

The fundies came out in record numbers because they want Roe V Wade to get a stake through it’s heart.

But why is this new or specially relevant to 2016? Obama was, is, pro-choice as well.

HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 12:57:00pm

re: #35 Kryptik in Mourning

I agree with this on moral grounds, but god help me, it feels like the NRA just never loses. And we could scrub any and all references to gun control, campaign with fucking bandoliers and stroke an AK at every campaign rally, and they’d still be able to get away with accusing us of wanting to steal all their guns.

We’re in the no-win situation far as guns forever.

Right, we can’t win on this issue because whatever we do on guns, we’re just called gun grabbers and I’m sorry rural area people but there’s a reason why people in the city want stricter gun laws.

Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 10, 2016 • 12:57:16pm

re: #44 Blind Frog Belly White

Your going to have to find one, or the US is going to going back to Jim Crow for a while.

Blind Frog Belly White Nov 10, 2016 • 12:57:28pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

No kidding. I’m sorry to all the LGF gun owners here but I’m tired of lies about our party’s poistion and guns. Most Americans indeed even most conservatives seem to agree with what our positions are. but the fucking assholes at the NRA who constantly lie about our position to drive out the gun vote fuck thisi issue and honestly get a lot peopel including children killed.

Lies work. That’s the lesson of 2016.

HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 12:57:30pm

re: #41 wrenchwench

There’s something about having a woman at the head of everything that makes the freedom to choose an abortion just a step too far. Maybe it was the pledge to end Hyde, giving poor women the same right.

Yeah maybe.

William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 12:57:36pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

I have to agree with this. I’m sorry but gun owners have to stop falling for the lies that we’re out for their guns. And I agree that someone needs to stand up for reasonable regulation when gun violence is high.

Then get used to losing the presidency. These people want GCA68 & NFA34 repealed. They do not think there is any reasonable regulation ever coming from a Democrat.

CriticalDragon1177 Nov 10, 2016 • 12:58:05pm

re: #31 gocart mozart

.@DrJillStein That’s like saying if you think Trump’s victory was bad, you haven’t heard of Hitler or Stalin.

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Eclectic Cyborg Nov 10, 2016 • 12:58:08pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

It nauseates me to see that fucking fascist walking around the White House.

Better get used to it, we’ve got 4 years ahead of us.

Sir John Barron Nov 10, 2016 • 12:58:54pm

re: #52 William Lewis

Then get used to losing the presidency. These people want GCA68 & NFA34 repealed. They do not think there is any reasonable regulation ever coming from a Democrat.

What are those?

Nyet Nov 10, 2016 • 12:59:20pm

re: #26 Dr. Matt

Actual quote before the election from a senior leader at the NIH who is a Catholic Democrat: “I won’t vote for Hillary because she wants to rip babies out of mothers”. Sadly, many Democrats are single issue voters.

He’s in the wrong party.

William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 12:59:32pm

re: #24 Sir John Barron

Respect the input you’re receiving. But Dems have always had an anti-gun reputation and have always been pro-choice. Not sure why it would be that much different this time. Or was it thought that HRC emphasized these issues too much at the convention or on the campaign trail? The funding of Planned Parenthood emerged this year as a particular aspect of the abortion debate. Was there concern about that?

Hillary was seen as particularly hostile and extreme on both points. The BS about aborting a baby a day before birth? Fundies really really believe that’s true. They also believe she’d pull a gun confiscation like Australia or the UK.

Blind Frog Belly White Nov 10, 2016 • 12:59:39pm

If you thought Trump’s victory was horrendous, you haven’t paid attention to the 500 years of violent oppression against PoC in the U.S.

— Dr. Jill Stein (@DrJillStein) November 10, 2016

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And the Greens wonder why they don’t do better with PoCs.

EPR-radar Nov 10, 2016 • 12:59:52pm

re: #47 Sir John Barron

But why is this new or specially relevant to 2016? Obama was, is, pro-choice as well.

With a SCOTUS seat being held open by a GOP congress, and 4 RWNJs already on the Court, Roe v. Wade was hanging by a thread this election. I can see this seriously motivating the anti-choicers.

Jayleia Nov 10, 2016 • 1:00:34pm

re: #55 Sir John Barron

What are those?

Gun Control Act 1968 and National Firearms Act 1934

Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 10, 2016 • 1:00:50pm

The narrative that this was a rebellion by the economically marginalized is an ennobling lie and should be stamped out immediately. pic.twitter.com/poV8Yix1yZ

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This was a close election. If people keep up dismissing real economic despair, next one won’t be. I’m from Turkey. I’ve seen this movie. https://t.co/fGp10hDDr1

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I think we might need to focus on Economic Policies.

Mike Lamb Nov 10, 2016 • 1:00:53pm

re: #32 William Lewis

They need to forget it period if they ever want to win. Take out GC and you’d have Wisconsin & possibly Michigan in her column.

You want to change gun culture? Do it the same way we changed tobacco use. But having people talk about regulations and bans? The Democrats here in the midwest will vote Republican instead every time.

That’s how Walker won the recall and why Hillary lost.

Why did Obama when in ‘08 and ‘12? His position isn’t appreciably different that HRC’s. As someone said upthread, that was just a built in excuse.

wrenchwench Nov 10, 2016 • 1:01:17pm

re: #54 Eclectic Cyborg

Better get used to it, we’ve got 4 years ahead of us.

That’s a tougher one than ‘get over it.’

CriticalDragon1177 Nov 10, 2016 • 1:01:24pm

re: #58 Blind Frog Belly White

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And the Greens wonder why they don’t do better with PoCs.

There’s literally no comparison between the way we treated people of color today, verses how we treated them pre civil rights movement.

Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 10, 2016 • 1:01:34pm

re: #61 Ziggy_TARDIS

Follow her Tweet-thread.

jaunte Nov 10, 2016 • 1:02:13pm

Despite their friendly meeting, “The president’s views haven’t changed” about President-Elect’s ability to serve, @presssec says

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William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 1:02:25pm

re: #39 Sir John Barron

I missed this part. What were Democrats banning? I thought the main thing was closing gun show loop holes, improving background checks, etc.

She has discussed (probably no more than that but) renewing the “assault” weapon ban. Also various Democratically controlled states had major restrictions on the ballot (California and Washington forex) that they believe she’d try to bring nationally.

Sir John Barron Nov 10, 2016 • 1:02:26pm

re: #60 Jayleia

Gun Control Act 1968 and National Firearms Act 1934

Never heard of them. Why are they important now?

Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 10, 2016 • 1:02:31pm

This ignores large swing to Trump from under $30K group. Trump fused ethno-supremacy with economic populism. Ignore that at your own peril.

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 1:03:12pm

re: #52 William Lewis

Then get used to losing the presidency. These people want GCA68 & NFA34 repealed. They do not think there is any reasonable regulation ever coming from a Democrat.

I understand that but they need to stop falling for fucking lies about guns. I’m sorry Bill. I know you’re a gun owner and I respect you but I’m tired of the NRA getting away with keeping on moving the goal posts on this issue. We’re advocating positions that the NRA once advocated on guns and we still get labeled gun grabbers. And I really think that many of these gun owners need to understand why a lot of people don’t want guns in their schools or places of business. You want ot own one at home? I’m fine with that. I really am but I draw a line when it comes to telling a business they have to allow gun owners to bring their guns in or that we can’t do background checks to ensure people with criminal records can’t get guns. Something just has to give. I’m willing ot listen to ideas but At the same time, I think even if we empathized the gun empathized thing you talked of, they’d just make up some bs for that too.

William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 1:03:27pm

re: #47 Sir John Barron

But why is this new or specially relevant to 2016? Obama was, is, pro-choice as well.

“rip a baby from it’s mother’s womb”

gocart mozart Nov 10, 2016 • 1:04:12pm

I’m also hesitant to ascribe some great importance to who the DNC chair is.
I don’t know. I really think Dean helped.

Doesn’t the chair just set the strategy and has people who implement it?

Mike Lamb Nov 10, 2016 • 1:04:31pm

re: #69 Ziggy_TARDIS

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What were the margins there under Obama, because 12% is a pretty thorough ass-kicking.

CriticalDragon1177 Nov 10, 2016 • 1:05:00pm

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Blind Frog Belly White Nov 10, 2016 • 1:05:01pm

re: #61 Ziggy_TARDIS

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I think we might need to focus on Economic Policies.

Okay, so here’s the problem with that - Reality.

The REALITY is that our manufacturing jobs didn’t go to China and Mexico. Our manufacturing jobs went to automation.

Jose didn’t steal your job, R2D2 did.

Belafon Nov 10, 2016 • 1:05:59pm

re: #71 William Lewis

“rip a baby from it’s mother’s womb”

In other words, these people fell for every lie fed to them, and we’re somehow supposed to make them understand that without making them feel bad for being wrong.

If it wasn’t for the fact that I have kids that would be seriously hurt, I’d say Brownback’s Kansas is just the enema the doctor ordered.

Kragar Nov 10, 2016 • 1:06:16pm

We have an administration coming in to power whose chief goal is punishing Americans who dare to believe differently than they do.

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 10, 2016

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William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 1:06:33pm

re: #68 Sir John Barron

Never heard of them. Why are they important now?

They are the bed rock of what little gun control there is in America. NFA regulates full auto weapons and destructive devices. GCA requires background checks and prohibits mail order sales that don’t go through a licensed dealer.

Franklin Nov 10, 2016 • 1:06:56pm

re: #75 Blind Frog Belly White

Okay, so here’s the problem with that - Reality.

The REALITY is that our manufacturing jobs didn’t go to China and Mexico. Our manufacturing jobs went to automation.

Jose didn’t steal your job, R2D2 did.

To the extent that manufacturing jobs left the US, I read a report that for every job that went to Mexico, 4 more went to China. And that with our without NAFTA, they were going to China anyway.

Sir John Barron Nov 10, 2016 • 1:07:47pm

re: #78 William Lewis

They are the bed rock of what little gun control there is in America. NFA regulates full auto weapons and destructive devices. GCA requires background checks and prohibits mail order sales that don’t go through a licensed dealer.

And we’re supposed to repeal those?

William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 1:07:50pm

re: #76 Belafon

In other words, these people fell for every lie fed to them, and we’re somehow supposed to make them understand that without making them feel bad for being wrong.

If it wasn’t for the fact that I have kids that would be seriously hurt, I’d say Brownback’s Kansas is just the enema the doctor ordered.

Except that even as Kansas is crashing no one there is blaming the GOP or voting differently. They still believe the lies.

HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 1:07:54pm

re: #76 Belafon

In other words, these people fell for every lie fed to them, and we’re somehow supposed to make them understand that without making them feel bad for being wrong.

If it wasn’t for the fact that I have kids that would be seriously hurt, I’d say Brownback’s Kansas is just the enema the doctor ordered.

I mean I’m sorry but we and Hillary tried to educate them on what pro-choice means. WE talked about hpw Planned Parenthood helps many women not just pregnant women with health issues. I want to try to understand people but if they’re just hearing PP and baby killing, then they don’t want to listen.

William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 1:08:29pm

re: #80 Sir John Barron

And we’re supposed to repeal those?

We shouldn’t but I’ve already heard some talk of the new congress doing that.

CriticalDragon1177 Nov 10, 2016 • 1:08:29pm

The Greens weren’t the only third party with something stupid to say during this election. The Florida chapter of the libertarian party posted this on their official tweeter feed the day of the election.

Pick one, Peace or Hillary Clinton? pic.twitter.com/3OkN9VqLOu

— Florida Libertarians (@LP_Florida) November 8, 2016

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So @LP_Florida expects us to believe that if Trump wins, there will be “peace?” https://t.co/w5yoqC3hDY

— CriticalDragon1177 (@CriticalDragon1) November 8, 2016

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gocart mozart Nov 10, 2016 • 1:10:13pm

re: #69 Ziggy_TARDIS

@zeynep
Repeal banking regs, appoint J.P. Morgan head to Treasury and huge tax cuts for 1%: is what they voted for not “economic populism”

— gocart mozart (@gocartmozart1) November 10, 2016

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Jayleia Nov 10, 2016 • 1:10:26pm

re: #68 Sir John Barron

Never heard of them. Why are they important now?

GCA was passed to regulate sales of guns after the assassinations

and the NFA is the big one, that’s the one that limits automatic rifles, actual machine guns, silencers, sawed-off shotguns, grenades, missiles, POISON GAS?!?!

Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 10, 2016 • 1:10:37pm

All the sneering at “economic anxiety”? All the finding of pics of awful racists and labeling it “economic anxiety”? Self-induced blindness.

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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Of course there is a resurgence of racism—an explicit nationalism based on ethno-supremacy. HE TIED IT TO ECONOMIC REVIVAL. This is potent.

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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“But unemployment numbers are low” people need to look at the kinds of jobs people hold. Their fears for the future. Drive outside a city.

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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Anti-racism & protecting vulnerable groups is the priority. I’m an immigrant from Middle East and I work with refugees. I will double down.

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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But globalization, de-industrialization and tech-fueled change wiped out stability from large swathes of US. Sneering at this is ridiculous.

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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I keep correcting this about Turkey. Erdogan runs a populist government. Expanded the welfare state for groups who felt culturally maligned.

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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Trump likely not as talented as Erdogan as a politician. There is no realignment… yet. This is still the country that elected Obama.

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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Keep this up & there will be a realignment. Trumpism will create its Erdogan. It’s a a global wave. Opposition incompetence big part of it.

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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This isn’t a call to ignore the obvious and resurgent racism. It’s to understand that the committed green frogs are a small minority.

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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Stop normalizing the worst of the racists by sneering at very real economic concerns, using totalizing language that lumps it all together.

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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Not just because of feelings. Because you will lose. And lose. And lose. Erdogan on his way to fifth election—will win a super-majority.

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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@zeynep : I don’t want us to dismiss economic despair. It is across racial lines, but this is not why Trump won. Whitelash happened.

— Nancy W. F. H. (@CeCe_23Spalding) November 10, 2016

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Trump tied economic populism to “whitelash”. If you want to win, you tie economic justice to anti-racist coalitions. https://t.co/NOP3jCKy8r

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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@zeynep It’s essential that people don’t dismiss both economic anxiety/structural racism, but also our broken voting systems @MazMHussain

— Andrew Jerell Jones (@sluggahjells) November 10, 2016

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Absolutely. Voter suppression was real. To oppose it: organize to show up for mid-terms to elect state legislatures. https://t.co/RGzvozcD8F

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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@zeynep What do you want to do, be nicer to racists? Is that what you’re suggesting we do? We know they’re racist and that they’re angry.

— I’m a Lebowski (@CoralSeason8) November 10, 2016

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Not be nice to racists. Create coalitions that are anti-racist & economic-justice oriented, peel away people to it. https://t.co/iQxtLyIY5K

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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Passing around charts (that you are reading wrong) to dismiss role of economic despair/populism in Trump? Factiness. https://t.co/Xiw199w6kO pic.twitter.com/aCeIC6MxjN

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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@zeynep you can make your point without trivialising White Supremacy: ‘resurgent’? ‘the worst of the’?

— Disruptia (@Disruptia) November 10, 2016

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I do not mean to trivialize it. I fear dismissing economic issues is conceding them to white supremacist politics. https://t.co/ezuddR6KqY

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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@zeynep @upuouo Except that non-white despairing people did not vote for trump and his bag of hatred. And btw majority of whites voting for trump r wealthy

— Sarah Leah Whitson (@sarahleah1) November 10, 2016

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Of course not. What I’m railing against is self-induced blindness to realities of the (razor-thin) Trump coalition. https://t.co/uDKehDtpNn

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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@zeynep people on the left very narasstic to think people voted for trump to hurt them. When it was about trying to get more for themselevs

— Jimmy ValenTime (@Jimmyvalentime) November 10, 2016

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Something I heard often from Trump supporters; also academic research long showed. R base wants gov’t to help them. https://t.co/qnjn7EJCEw

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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They (wrongly) think that minorities (and now refugees) get a lot of government help, instead of them. That’s been the propaganda at them.

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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@DemFromCT @zeynep This idea that 70,000,000 people would have voted for Sanders whose never faced a negative attack in his life, is naive.

— I’m a Lebowski (@CoralSeason8) November 10, 2016

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No idea if Sanders could have won. This was a razor-thin election. Clinton almost won. There is no realignment. Yet. https://t.co/QpFvd81FPr

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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I can’t RT this enough. “Data journalism” has misled lots of people, as they developed their “factiness” over truth. https://t.co/Xiw199w6kO pic.twitter.com/MPWIpCyvgL

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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You can’t understand the very real economic despair of much of US with unemployment numbers just like you can’t measure racism with polls.

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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I keep saying it’s a razor-thin coalition, and if people keep dismissing the most peelable portion, it will grow. https://t.co/2jV3zErKqZ

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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I keep saying it’s a razor-thin coalition, and if people keep dismissing the most peelable portion, it will grow. https://t.co/2jV3zErKqZ

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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Also, Trump lost ~half of white women, won half. (Polls have margin of error). All the articles are “Trump won white women!” Self-sabotage.

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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@zeynep Yep, it insults me to have my white women vote stolen from me. Both of my white daughters, my husband and myself voted for Hillary.

— Paola (@V1ewF1nder) November 10, 2016

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Yes. Seen dozens of “it’s the white women” articles when Trump lost half. It just normalizes next round of losing. https://t.co/KfrdnvE1P2

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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@zeynep Those articles also ignore Romney won a higher percentage of white women than Trump, yet still lost.

— Chris Lowrance (@chrislowrance) November 10, 2016

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Yep. “White women gave it to Trump” articles are not only self-sabotage, They ignore the direction of the coalition. https://t.co/hPSz90fgZf

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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Also: my error. I thought Trump was viable since August of 2015. I wrote on his strengths. I also saw lack of organization as fatal. Wrong.

— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) November 10, 2016

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Belafon Nov 10, 2016 • 1:10:43pm

Plus, the NFA was backed by the NRA back in the 30s.

BeachDem Nov 10, 2016 • 1:10:49pm

re: #47 Sir John Barron

But why is this new or specially relevant to 2016? Obama was, is, pro-choice as well.

And interesting that they’d make their super strong showing (81% of white born-again evangelicals) for a sleazy, multiple-times married, admitted adulterer, foul-mouthed, non-religious, lying asshole like Trump.

Sir John Barron Nov 10, 2016 • 1:11:03pm

It’s always helpful to listen to a variety of voices in responding to election results and setting out campaign strategies for the future.

However, I would point out, that after 2012, there was a much discussed “Republican Election Autopsy” or some such that emphasized the need for the party to reach out to Hispanics and other ethnic minorities, and to otherwise moderate its rhetoric. Well, Trump scotched that idea and won anyway.

CriticalDragon1177 Nov 10, 2016 • 1:11:07pm

Here’s another reason Trump’s victory will be bad for America, and bad for the world.

What Will the Trump Presidency Mean for Scientific Skepticism? https://t.co/2l7aKovB2R #skeptic #sweskep #gmo #vaccineswork

— Emil Karlsson (@emilskeptic) November 9, 2016

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goddamnedfrank Nov 10, 2016 • 1:12:12pm

If you thought Trump’s victory was horrendous, you haven’t paid attention to the 500 years of violent oppression against PoC in the U.S.

— Dr. Jill Stein (@DrJillStein) November 10, 2016

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SO unexpected how your overweening sense of moral superiority failed to advance a single fucking thing you publicly pretend to care about. https://t.co/JMWDqLyWng

— Franksgiving (@goddamnedfrank) November 10, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 10, 2016 • 1:12:31pm

Trump is already bored to death. pic.twitter.com/rh5CUHjhbw

— Bob Schooley (@Rschooley) November 10, 2016

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@Rschooley That or they broke it to him that the swamp owns him now.

— Bob Schooley (@Rschooley) November 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 1:12:39pm

I guess my question is the same I had when Anymouse was upset about the Dems not paying much attention to voters in his part of the state. How do we maintain principles while at the same time listen to people who find a lot of our principles an affront to what they believe? I am willing to listen on guns but at the same time, I do think so many gun owners in this country repeatedly fall for the same lies that I’ve been seeing my entire life about guns and the national Democratic Party. Ditto abortion and honestly I’m not willing ot listen on that. We already ban public funding abortion via Hyde. And I’m definitely not willing to compromise at all on LGBT rights.

William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 1:12:44pm

re: #84 CriticalDragon1177

I have a lot of folks I know who scream that Hillary is a war monger and “at least Trump won’t get us in another war”. Yeah right. We’ll be fighting Iran within months to prop up the price of oil and natgas for Boss Putin.

Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 10, 2016 • 1:13:13pm

Trump fans film themselves driving through women’s college and harassing black students https://t.co/uZyc785tWP pic.twitter.com/gxOJYLK5fe

— Raw Story (@RawStory) November 10, 2016

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EPR-radar Nov 10, 2016 • 1:13:42pm

re: #61 Ziggy_TARDIS

IMO, there are some real economic issues in the air that affected this election. The financial sector crashed the economy in 2008 while profiting greatly. There was no punishment for this, and attempts to prevent it from happening again (i.e., Dodd-Frank) are under threat and were never really all that convincing to begin with. Almost everyone thinks the financial sector will do much the same again, the only question being ‘when’. More generally, the US is a plutocracy, which doesn’t sit well with many.

This scenario results in a widespread distrust and contempt for the establishment. Trump told lies about being against the establishment, while Clinton is indubitably an establishment politician. Too many people believed what they wanted to believe and liked (or ignored) Trump’s bigotry.

Sanders’ campaign in the primary was also (IMO) driven mainly by this issue, the difference relative to Trump being that Sanders was willfully obtuse on identity issues where Trump was deliberately malevolent on identity issues.

Charles Johnson Nov 10, 2016 • 1:13:58pm

New Balance itself in consumer cross-hairs after declaring Trump’s election is a move in the “right direction” https://t.co/JpvanqXhQ3 pic.twitter.com/eGtMFBzuZE

— The Boston Globe (@BostonGlobe) November 10, 2016

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What a disappointment. New Balance shoes are my favorite - the best fitting running shoes I’ve ever found. But I’m going to seriously consider buying something else now.

Kragar Nov 10, 2016 • 1:14:21pm

SAUDI PRINCE: “If Trump moves embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, OIC (57 countries) will withdraw ambassadors from Washington.” - @Joyce_Karam

— Conflict News (@Conflicts) November 10, 2016

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William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 1:14:26pm

re: #89 BeachDem

And interesting that they’d make their super strong showing (81% of white born-again evangelicals) for a sleazy, multiple-times married, admitted adulterer, foul-mouthed, non-religious, lying asshole like Trump.

Ayatollah Pence.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 10, 2016 • 1:14:35pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

We are going back to at least the 1960s, rights-wise.

We are going to have to figure out some positions in regards to appealing to these people. One could be trying to promote some sort of retraining program. Republicans will not do that.

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 1:16:12pm

re: #101 Ziggy_TARDIS

We are going back to at least the 1960s, rights-wise.

We are going to have to figure out some positions in regards to appealing to these people. One could be trying to promote some sort of retraining program. Republicans will not do that.

I think Clinton did talk a little about retraining in regards to coal miners. Honestly, I’m stumped. Glad I’m not the one who has to figure this out for the Dems.

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Sir John Barron Nov 10, 2016 • 1:16:28pm

re: #89 BeachDem

And interesting that they’d make their super strong showing (81% of white born-again evangelicals) for a sleazy, multiple-times married, admitted adulterer, foul-mouthed, non-religious, lying asshole like Trump.

The ruling on SSM had to have been a key factor in all this. It wasn’t a major or even peripheral campaign issue. But it had to have played a significant role. Why so many evangelicals backed Trump so early when other more conservative and electable candidates were there to choose from I’ll never know. But evangelicals in particular understand, I think correctly, that they have lost power and influence. How Trump is supposed to be a vessel for their revival I don’t know.

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William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 1:16:41pm

re: #101 Ziggy_TARDIS

We are going back to at least the 1960s, rights-wise.

We are going to have to figure out some positions in regards to appealing to these people. One could be trying to promote some sort of retraining program. Republicans will not do that.

1890’s is more like it.

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Belafon Nov 10, 2016 • 1:17:01pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

What a disappointment. New Balance shoes are my favorite - the best fitting running shoes I’ve ever found. But I’m going to seriously consider buying something else now.

Does anyone else make a running shoe that comes in different widths?

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Charles Johnson Nov 10, 2016 • 1:17:08pm

To “progressives” who disdained Clinton, said no difference if Trump won: watch what happens to net neutrality https://t.co/MnX8kMkfX5

— Norman Ornstein (@NormOrnstein) November 10, 2016

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Sir John Barron Nov 10, 2016 • 1:17:11pm

re: #92 goddamnedfrank

If you thought Trump’s victory was horrendous, you haven’t paid attention to the 500 years of violent oppression against PoC in the U.S.
— Dr. Jill Stein

Well then I’m glad you were in the race to siphon off votes from Clinton so we could elect Drump.

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CriticalDragon1177 Nov 10, 2016 • 1:17:59pm

re: #92 goddamnedfrank

.@goddamnedfrank Off course its everyone else’s fault she didn’t get elected when no 3rd party candidates have been elected in past 100 yrs

— CriticalDragon1177 (@CriticalDragon1) November 10, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 10, 2016 • 1:18:56pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

I think Clinton did talk a little about retraining in regards to coal miners. Honestly, I’m stumped. Glad I’m not the one who has to figure this out for the Dems.

That was the best possible future outcome for the miners.
They aren’t even going to get that now.

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Charles Johnson Nov 10, 2016 • 1:19:10pm

re: #105 Belafon

Does anyone else make a running shoe that comes in different widths?

Probably, but I don’t know for sure at the moment.

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Belafon Nov 10, 2016 • 1:19:59pm

re: #103 Sir John Barron

The ruling on SSM had to have been a key factor in all this. It wasn’t a major or even peripheral campaign issue. But it had to have played a significant role. Why so many evangelicals backed Trump so early when other more conservative and electable candidates were there to choose from I’ll never know. But evangelicals in particular understand, I think correctly, that they have lost power and influence. How Trump is supposed to be a vessel for their revival I don’t know.

And that will be another one where some conservatives are going to go “I didn’t vote for this.” There are plenty of people now who knowingly have children who are gay and are married. When the transgender bathroom thing came up in my home town, even the conservatives here fought against it, one woman specifically because she had a trans child.

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 1:20:07pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

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Sigh so many issues that Obama worked his ass on and the “progressives” just turned their back on because Hillary wasn’t good enough. Hope they’re happy. I’m more upset with them than Trump voters honestly.

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EmmaAnne Nov 10, 2016 • 1:21:11pm

re: #87 Ziggy_TARDIS

Dude - way way way too long.

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 1:21:37pm

re: #111 Belafon

And that will be another one where some conservatives are going to go “I didn’t vote for this.” There are plenty of people now who knowingly have children who are gay and are married. When the transgender bathroom thing came up in my home town, even the conservatives here fought against it, one woman specifically because she had a trans child.

McCrory’s transgender law in NC was very unpopular and yet he nearly won re-election and in fact I think still may not have conceded and the only thing that really caused backlash was the fact it hurt NC’s NCAA backsbetall business which is huge for the state.

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Eclectic Cyborg Nov 10, 2016 • 1:21:45pm

Presidents can resign. Maybe Trump will get bored with it and step aside. Not that Pence is much better, but I do think he has more restraint than Trump does.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 10, 2016 • 1:22:29pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

Yeah, here too. I am going to see what my friends do. If my Best Friend leaves, I will likely follow her.

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CriticalDragon1177 Nov 10, 2016 • 1:23:54pm

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goddamnedfrank Nov 10, 2016 • 1:24:44pm

Not only #NotMyPresident but #NeverMyPresident. Sorry, past performance matters, giving this con man any benefit of doubt is a suckers’ bet.

— Franksgiving (@goddamnedfrank) November 10, 2016

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William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 1:24:49pm

re: #116 Eclectic Cyborg

Presidents can resign. Maybe Trump will get bored with it and step aside. Not that Pence is much better, but I do think he has more restraint than Trump does.

He’ll be too busy implementing theocracy here to worry about anything overseas. Though he’d still go through with the Jerusalem embassy crap since it fits their end times heresies.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 10, 2016 • 1:24:55pm

Someone on the Daily Kos had a point:

However, with Donald Trump in the White House the tables are turned and Republicans are the ones who will be in a defensive position in 2018 as they now control both the White House and Congress and will have to give full account of their agenda and results to voters. In this scenario, Democrats are likely to make significant gains in the 2018 midterm elections.

Then building on that, Republicans will again be on the defensive in the 2020 general election with Trump in the White House. The core of Republican policy is set up to hurt the working and middle classes and benefit the rich and powerful. Ironically, these are the same working class people who voted for Trump. They will inevitably feel disappointed over the next four years as they realize that Trump can’t magically solve their problems.

Going into 2020 Republicans will face die-hard opposition from Democrats, a likely disillusioned white working class GOP base (the manufacturing jobs are never coming back) and an even more diverse electorate than today. All these factors will put them in a very weak position in that election. If Hillary had won this year, Democrats would be the ones on the defensive.

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 1:25:37pm

re: #117 Ziggy_TARDIS

Yeah, here too. I am going to see what my friends do. If my Best Friend leaves, I will likely follow her.

I can’t imagine leaving but I’m not a religious minority or racial minority either. No idea where I’d go too. Not like what I’m seeing in the UK. Still have those Hiberno fantasies of having a place by the sea, writing by day, and being a regular up a small village pub by night.

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William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 1:25:39pm

re: #121 Ziggy_TARDIS

Someone on the Daily Kos had a point:

Somebody’s whistling in the dark.

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 1:26:28pm

re: #121 Ziggy_TARDIS

Someone on the Daily Kos had a point:

I was sort of thinking that too but there are no guarantees.

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Blind Frog Belly White Nov 10, 2016 • 1:27:08pm

Here’s the thing about economic anxiety among the white working class - We didn’t stop manufacturing stuff here. Manufacturing is at or near a record high. What we DON’T have are manufacturing JOBS, mostly because of automation.

And even if we suddenly brought back a lot of manufacturing from other countries, it wouldn’t pay a middle class income. It would probably pay minimum wage.

And if we DID make manufacturing jobs pay middle class wages, the goods manufactured would be A LOT more expensive. We’d sell fewer of them here, and nothing abroad.

That’s reality.

So, should we lie, and promise the return of Grandpa’s job in the Steel Mill that put your Dad through college? That’s what Trump did. And he didn’t mean a word of it. The ONE TIME he told the truth was when he said ‘our wages are too high’, meaning that it’s nearly impossible for us to compete with the world for low-wage manufacturing jobs.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 10, 2016 • 1:27:12pm

re: #123 HappyWarrior

I think of her as my Big Sister, with all the adoration that comes with it.

She is dual American-Pakistani, but I think I could figure it out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 10, 2016 • 1:28:06pm

Waiting for a possible verdict in the Ray #TensingTrial - several people have told me the pros. off. told employees to go home just bf 4.

— Perry Schaible (@Local12Perry) November 10, 2016

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Looks like the Prosecutor’s office wants to make sure all their employees are safely home before shit hits the fan.

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 1:28:19pm

re: #127 Ziggy_TARDIS

I think of her as my Big Sister, with all the adoration that comes with it.

She is dual American-Pakistani, but I think I could figure it out.

I hear ya. I really in the mean time intend to help people through my job.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 10, 2016 • 1:28:37pm

re: #126 Blind Frog Belly White

Interestingly, minimum wage increases passed in a lot of places.

I am coming to the conclusion that, even though she was ultra-qualified, Clinton was the wrong candidate.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 10, 2016 • 1:28:52pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

It depends on what she does.

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Belafon Nov 10, 2016 • 1:28:58pm

re: #121 Ziggy_TARDIS

Someone on the Daily Kos had a point:

There are some things that we will have to overcome. One of the things that not winning now hurts in the SCOTUS and what the Republicans are about to do with all those “unnecessary” judicial posts that are suddenly necessary. They are going to do some serious damage in a short amount of time.

And, ultimately, it comes down to our will to fight in order to limit the damage.

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goddamnedfrank Nov 10, 2016 • 1:29:07pm

In Pennsylvania, two students at a high school carried a Donald Trump sign and called out “white power” https://t.co/U5iDn2zrcP pic.twitter.com/chZ2wadXBz

— The Boston Globe (@BostonGlobe) November 10, 2016

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School administrators across the country need to adopt a zero tolerance policy towards this shit right fucking now! https://t.co/0wYGvUFlrL

— Franksgiving (@goddamnedfrank) November 10, 2016

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BeachDem Nov 10, 2016 • 1:29:14pm

re: #111 Belafon

And that will be another one where some conservatives are going to go “I didn’t vote for this.” There are plenty of people now who knowingly have children who are gay and are married. When the transgender bathroom thing came up in my home town, even the conservatives here fought against it, one woman specifically because she had a trans child.

And then there are morons like a friend of my BIL’s who voted for
Trump but only because he REALLY likes Pence’s view on things. BTW, this friend is gay.

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Mike Lamb Nov 10, 2016 • 1:29:49pm

re: #87 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’m having trouble taking a lot of what she says seriously. Aside from ignoring actual demographic data from the election, she’s suggesting that Dems made no effort to create a coalition of anti-racism tied to economic justice. That’s garbage.

She needs to show real data that there was a shift towards Trump in the under $30k demographic (although I admit that the aggregate numbers don’t show where the under $30k people went for Trump and whether it had a disproportionate impact on the electoral vote), or her argument is bunk—don’t give me this smug “factiness”.

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EPR-radar Nov 10, 2016 • 1:29:58pm

re: #126 Blind Frog Belly White

Here’s the thing about economic anxiety among the white working class - We didn’t stop manufacturing stuff here. Manufacturing is at or near a record high. What we DON’T have are manufacturing JOBS, mostly because of automation.

And even if we suddenly brought back a lot of manufacturing from other countries, it wouldn’t pay a middle class income. It would probably pay minimum wage.

And if we DID make manufacturing jobs pay middle class wages, the goods manufactured would be A LOT more expensive. We’d sell fewer of them here, and nothing abroad.

That’s reality.

So, should we lie, and promise the return of Grandpa’s job in the Steel Mill that put your Dad through college? That’s what Trump did. And he didn’t mean a word of it. The ONE TIME he told the truth was when he said ‘our wages are too high’, meaning that it’s nearly impossible for us to compete with the world for low-wage manufacturing jobs.

No developed nation on earth appears to have a reasonable response to this over-supply of labor. The US electing Donald Trump is an exceptionally dysfunctional ‘response’ to this situation.

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Mike Lamb Nov 10, 2016 • 1:30:12pm

re: #105 Belafon

Does anyone else make a running shoe that comes in different widths?

Brooks.

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wrenchwench Nov 10, 2016 • 1:30:22pm

re: #87 Ziggy_TARDIS

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Race and class are tough issues to sort out in any case. To compare Turkey and the US in terms of what’s going on with race and class is impossibly tough. She lost me on this one:

No idea if Sanders could have won. This was a razor-thin election. Clinton almost won. There is no realignment. Yet.

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 1:30:38pm

re: #130 Ziggy_TARDIS

Interestingly, minimum wage increases passed in a lot of places.

I am coming to the conclusion that, even though she was ultra-qualified, Clinton was the wrong candidate.

May well have been. I still she was the best and right candidate of all that ran. If Biden hadn’t lost his son, I would have liked him to run but maybe that’s a different reality and the Republicans actually nominate someone like Kasich.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 10, 2016 • 1:30:40pm

re: #135 Mike Lamb

I’m inclined to listen to her for the reason that she is from a country where this already happened, Turkey.

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Franklin Nov 10, 2016 • 1:30:50pm

I pray for safety of this city, but I also pray for justice. Something black men have been denied of in this country #TensingTrial

— ramkiran venkat (@ramkiranvenkat_) November 10, 2016

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teleskiguy Nov 10, 2016 • 1:31:03pm

So many options! pic.twitter.com/59vRBQQG2f

— Funny Or Die (@funnyordie) November 10, 2016

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Decatur Deb Nov 10, 2016 • 1:31:10pm

re: #116 Eclectic Cyborg

Presidents can resign. Maybe Trump will get bored with it and step aside. Not that Pence is much better, but I do think he has more restraint than Trump does.

We’re better off with Trump than Pence. At least he’s incompetent.

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EPR-radar Nov 10, 2016 • 1:31:45pm

re: #134 BeachDem

And then there are morons like a friend of my BIL’s who voted for
Trump but only because he REALLY likes Pence’s view on things. BTW, this friend is gay.

Fucking wow. I’ve heard of chickens voting for Col. Sanders, but gays for Pence is way the hell beyond that.

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Decatur Deb Nov 10, 2016 • 1:31:55pm

re: #123 HappyWarrior

I can’t imagine leaving but I’m not a religious minority or racial minority either. No idea where I’d go too. Not like what I’m seeing in the UK. Still have those Hiberno fantasies of having a place by the sea, writing by day, and being a regular up a small village pub by night.

There is no place for 150 million refugees. This is the last ditch.

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stpaulbear Nov 10, 2016 • 1:31:58pm

I’m finding that I’m not on board with all of the DNC bashing going on here. From everything I saw it seemed like GOTV was strong for this election (especially when compared to the zero effort that was coming out of the Trump campaign).

We were up against a party that lied it’s freakin ass off to an audience that’s been fed lies for so long that they can’t even recognize the truth any more. Trump turned them into a frenzied cult, and the media loved the drama while turning it’s back on how rabid it was all becoming. And then the freakin FBI director drops a cherry bomb in the toilet.

Do the democrats have anybody who’s so willing to shamelessly lie an audience into a frothy euphoria? Obama can do that with the truth, and he worked his damnedest to get people to vote. Did Bernie have that charisma? No. Who from the democratic party is going to go out and make a bunch of absolutely unbelievable promises to an audience that is at least smart enough to not love being lied to. Hillary was trying to run a factual, reasonable, determined campaign while bringing in Obama and Michelle to whip up the crowds. It turned out that truth and hope wasn’t as good a motivator as hate and fear this year. Hate sold. The media didn’t give a shit.

I’m as pissed off as anyone that half of all Americans didn’t freakin bother to vote, but I’m not wanting to lay that all on the DNC. Maybe if they would have promised everybody who came out to vote D free rent for a year, they would have been on equal footing with the freakin false promises that R voters are expecting.

I’m rambling and upset. I’ll quit now.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 10, 2016 • 1:31:58pm

re: #138 wrenchwench

I am not sure it was quite a realignment yet either though.

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EmmaAnne Nov 10, 2016 • 1:32:16pm

I think we are making a mistake taking people’s word for why they voted for Trump. Obama saved the car industry and Trump wanted to let it die and said autoworkers make too much money, and Michigan voted for Trump. They can say it was based on economics, and maybe even think it, but it isn’t true. We are chasing our tails if we act on this erroneous information.

People didn’t vote for Trump because of Hillary’s emails, or gun policies, or pro-choice views. Those are excuses. I know this because how they behave doesn’t match their purported views and their arguments don’t hang together.

Clinton is very much like Obama in her positions. People didn’t change their votes because of her positions - even if they themselves think they did.

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Blind Frog Belly White Nov 10, 2016 • 1:32:26pm

re: #130 Ziggy_TARDIS

Interestingly, minimum wage increases passed in a lot of places.

I am coming to the conclusion that, even though she was ultra-qualified, Clinton was the wrong candidate.

Lies work. The lesson of 2016.

Large parts of the American electorate WANT a candidate who will tell them what they want to hear, even knowing it’s not true. I have no idea how to deal with that.

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 1:32:51pm

re: #134 BeachDem

And then there are morons like a friend of my BIL’s who voted for
Trump but only because he REALLY likes Pence’s view on things. BTW, this friend is gay.

Pence, the most homophobic person ever nominated in the modern era. SMDH.

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BeachDem Nov 10, 2016 • 1:33:04pm

re: #121 Ziggy_TARDIS

Someone on the Daily Kos had a point:

And if what’s past is prologue, all the Republicans will have to do is shout GUNS and ABORTION and none of those disillusioned people will give a crap that they’re a lying bunch of do-nothings.

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EPR-radar Nov 10, 2016 • 1:33:09pm

re: #140 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’m inclined to listen to her for the reason that she is from a country where this already happened, Turkey.

Comparing Turkey and the US is almost certainly a fools errand. The histories are simply far too different.

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wrenchwench Nov 10, 2016 • 1:33:27pm

re: #147 Ziggy_TARDIS

I am not sure it was quite a realignment yet either though.

Yeah, whatever realignment she means. To say Sanders might have had a chance is ludicrous.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut Nov 10, 2016 • 1:33:30pm

re: #43 lawhawk

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Dismantling federal regulations on banking and financial industry. Yeah, that’ll help the little guy. That’s a giveaway to people like Trump who don’t pay much attention to the rules.

It is also consistent with Trump’s own history for high risk lending strategies that have resulted in his multiple bankruptcies. Except the USA doesn’t get to declare Chap 11.

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 1:33:38pm

re: #145 Decatur Deb

There is no place for 150 million refugees. This is the last ditch.

That’s why it’s just that a dream. I don’t really have serious plans to go anywhere and be an Ex-Pat, I’m a stubborn bastard.

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 1:34:14pm

re: #146 stpaulbear

I’m finding that I’m not on board with all of the DNC bashing going on here. From everything I saw it seemed like GOTV was strong for this election (especially when compared to the zero effort that was coming out of the Trump campaign).

We were up against a party that lied it’s freakin ass off to an audience that’s been fed lies for so long that they can’t even recognize the truth any more. Trump turned them into a frenzied cult, and the media loved the drama while turning it’s back on how rabid it was all becoming. And then the freakin FBI director drops a cherry bomb in the toilet.

Do the democrats have anybody who’s so willing to shamelessly lie an audience into a frothy euphoria? Obama can do that with the truth, and he worked his damnedest to get people to vote. Did Bernie have that charisma? No. Who from the democratic party is going to go out and make a bunch of absolutely unbelievable promises to an audience that is at least smart enough to not love being lied to. Hillary was trying to run a factual, reasonable, determined campaign while bringing in Obama and Michelle to whip up the crowds. It turned out that truth and hope wasn’t as good a motivator as hate and fear this year. Hate sold. The media didn’t give a shit.

I’m as pissed off as anyone that half of all Americans didn’t freakin bother to vote, but I’m not wanting to lay that all on the DNC. Maybe if they would have promised everybody who came out to vote D free rent for a year, they would have been on equal footing with the freakin false promises that R voters are expecting.

I’m rambling and upset. I’ll quit now.

No, I’m not really that pissed at the DNC either but I do think new leadership is inevitable.

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MsJ Nov 10, 2016 • 1:34:30pm

re: #38 CriticalDragon1177

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Don’t forget to sign this petition

Add Your Name to Fight Discrimination in the Defense Bill!

Not meaning to pick on you but petitions don’t do shit. The only petition that matters is election day. Thank god for the ACLU but they are going to be named a terrorist organization along with all the others standing in the way of the orange fascist.

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Kragar Nov 10, 2016 • 1:34:46pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

Probably, but I don’t know for sure at the moment.

Plenty of other companies make W running shoes. I’ve got a pair of Reebok’s that are 3 years old and still going strong

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 10, 2016 • 1:35:27pm

re: #146 stpaulbear

You have some great points too. Too few got up and voted, and too many went for Stein and Johnson.

We should have campaigned harder in MI, WI, and PA. Period.

If we won those three, Clinton would be President-elect.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 10, 2016 • 1:35:40pm

Congrats Trump voters, non-voters: You got a guy who may have a white supremacist as chief of staff & chose Kris Kobach for transition team,

— Laffy (@GottaLaff) November 10, 2016

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EPR-radar Nov 10, 2016 • 1:36:03pm

re: #143 Decatur Deb

We’re better off with Trump than Pence. At least he’s incompetent.

There’s also the possibility of exploitable differences between what the Orange Fuhrer wants and what the GOP Congress wants.

It remains true that Trump is the least objectionable of all 17 GOP candidates this cycle on policy issues (because anything is better than the 100.000% vileness of GOP orthodoxy).

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch Nov 10, 2016 • 1:36:13pm

re: #133 goddamnedfrank

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Someone in my husband’s high school physics class started to say something yesterday (he works in a predominantly African American/Hispanic school), and my husband very quickly and quietly shut that shit down before anyone caught on.

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 1:36:18pm

re: #153 wrenchwench

Yeah, whatever realignment she means. To say Sanders might have had a chance is ludicrous.

Republicans have been grinding their teeth to run against an actual honest to God socialist. There’s so much naivete in the people who think we should have nominated Bernie. My brother is one of them. Man, I love the guy and I know he wants to make this world a better place but I really think he just fell in love with Bernie’s message and didn’t see how Republican opps research would have spat Bernie out and had him for breakfast. We IMO lose worse with Bernie at the helm.

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 1:37:10pm

re: #162 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Someone in my husband’s high school physics class started to say something yesterday (he works in a predominantly African American/Hispanic school), and my husband very quickly and quietly shut that shit down before anyone caught on.

Good for your husband.

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Mike Lamb Nov 10, 2016 • 1:37:13pm

re: #149 Blind Frog Belly White

Lies work. The lesson of 2016.

Large parts of the American electorate WANT a candidate who will tell them what they want to hear, even knowing it’s not true. I have no idea how to deal with that.

If Clinton was the wrong candidate, it was largely due to things entirely outside of her control—namely, the long term impact of 30 yeards of witch hunts.

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 1:38:03pm

re: #165 Mike Lamb

If Clinton was the wrong candidate, it was largely due to things entirely outside of her control—namely, the long term impact of 30 yeards of witch hunts.

I do think that may be what he means. It wasn’t just right wingers that bought the Clinton lies.

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jaunte Nov 10, 2016 • 1:38:55pm

NEW: Trump team wants to cut rule mandating retirement advisors put clients’ interests above their own https://t.co/WlT2xUiAit

— Justin Miller (@justinjm1) November 10, 2016

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lawhawk Nov 10, 2016 • 1:39:18pm

re: #105 Belafon

Asics does. So does Saucony. I’ve worn by Asics in the past. The Mrs. has worn Saucony.

I stopped wearing sneakers and switched to low-rise hiking sneakers (current pair Oboz).

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William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 1:39:37pm

re: #145 Decatur Deb

There is no place for 150 million refugees. This is the last ditch.

I know. Though I may send my son north as a refugee…

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But for the rest of us, the resistance has to start now. Not just politically but in putting sand in their machines. Hiding your neighbors from the ethnic cleansing. Everyone of us being Mexican and Muslim. It’s time to wear a white rose .

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Charles Johnson Nov 10, 2016 • 1:39:49pm

DNC held its first staff meeting today since Clinton’s loss. This happened. https://t.co/Su3DLDdOhH pic.twitter.com/oDzyeaq1dB

— Jennifer Bendery (@jbendery) November 10, 2016

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This is heartbreaking. @jbendery https://t.co/L7IXPCtIZ3

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EPR-radar Nov 10, 2016 • 1:40:27pm

re: #167 jaunte

What could possibly go wrong with that? Unfuckingbelievable.

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 1:40:32pm

re: #167 jaunte

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So for the PEOPLE! This was a fucking oligarchical grab disguised as a populist movement.

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Bubblehead II Nov 10, 2016 • 1:41:06pm

re: #89 BeachDem

And interesting that they’d make their super strong showing (81% of white born-again evangelicals) for a sleazy, multiple-times married, admitted adulterer, foul-mouthed, non-religious, lying asshole like Trump.

First off Lizards, Sorry about cooking off yesterday. But the “he’s not my President” posts yesterday brought back memories of 2008 when PBO was elected and the great melt down occurred. Seeing the same types of posts just set me off. There is one difference this time around though. In 2008 I was a McCain/Palin supporter but I also vowed I would support PBO if he was elected. In 2012 I was all in for him. This year I supported HRC and she lost to tRump. I may have to acknowledge that he is soon to be my President, but unlike 2008, I can not and will not support him.

That said, to respond to BD’s post. Evangelicals didn’t vote for tRump, they voted for Pence. tRump is still under indictment for felony fraud. If found guilty, he becomes ineligible for the office and Pence becomes POTUS.

If he manages to beat the rap, they will find some other way to remove him. Given his personality and willful disregard for the law he will be impeached and tossed out and we still end up with Pence as POTUS.

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goddamnedfrank Nov 10, 2016 • 1:41:22pm

NEW: Trump team wants to cut rule mandating retirement advisors put clients’ interests above their own https://t.co/WlT2xUiAit

— Justin Miller (@justinjm1) November 10, 2016

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This should end well. https://t.co/chTIenU0dj

— Franksgiving (@goddamnedfrank) November 10, 2016

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William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 1:41:24pm

re: #154 Rocky-in-Connecticut

It is also consistent with Trump’s own history for high risk lending strategies that have resulted in his multiple bankruptcies. Except the USA doesn’t get to declare Chap 11.

Don’t worry, he’ll happily default on the national debt because he’s too economically illiterate to understand what will happen afterwards.

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jaunte Nov 10, 2016 • 1:41:32pm

re: #172 HappyWarrior

Setting free the sharks.

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 1:42:03pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

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The cannibalism begins. Sigh. Maybe she was flawed but I really would like a honest answer for who would have been better. And don’t say Sanders because he just wouldn’t have been.

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nines09 Nov 10, 2016 • 1:42:21pm

re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth

Some innocent white kid will get the shit kicked out of him somewhere for shit like that.

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BeachDem Nov 10, 2016 • 1:42:25pm

re: #135 Mike Lamb

I’m having trouble taking a lot of what she says seriously. Aside from ignoring actual demographic data from the election, she’s suggesting that Dems made no effort to create a coalition of anti-racism tied to economic justice. That’s garbage.

She needs to show real data that there was a shift towards Trump in the under $30k demographic (although I admit that the aggregate numbers don’t show where the under $30k people went for Trump and whether it had a disproportionate impact on the electoral vote), or her argument is bunk—don’t give me this smug “factiness”.

Obama 2012, took 63% of under $30,000; 57% between $30,000 and $50,000.

Hillary took 53% and 51% respectively.

Those two groups represented 36% of this year’s electorate-41% in 2012.

Can’t find a breakdown of income by race/ethnicity.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch Nov 10, 2016 • 1:42:42pm

re: #164 HappyWarrior

Good for your husband.

He’s a keeper, that’s for sure, and he does things in a way that makes the person who did it feel like a piece of crap AND so quietly so no one else knows what’s going on. He’s very mild-mannered, but his kids also know that Mr. W doesn’t put up with shit. Unlike me who’d make a complete spectacle of the situation and myself with my outrage and anger.

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lawhawk Nov 10, 2016 • 1:43:08pm

re: #174 goddamnedfrank

NEW: Trump team wants to cut rule mandating retirement advisors put clients’ interests above their own https://t.co/WlT2xUiAit

— Justin Miller (@justinjm1) November 10, 2016

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There’s that looking out for the little guy that we expected from Trump. It was all about knowing Trump would make sure to step on them. https://t.co/Q2oaoU0PVN

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) November 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 1:43:28pm

re: #180 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

He’s a keeper, that’s for sure, and he does things in a way that makes the person who did it feel like a piece of crap AND so quietly so no one else knows what’s going on. He’s very mild-mannered, but his kids also know that Mr. W doesn’t put up with shit. Unlike me who’d make a complete spectacle of the situation and myself with my outrage and anger.

Yeah, I’d lose my cool too. Really glad he handled it well.

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Stanley Sea Nov 10, 2016 • 1:43:47pm

What makes Trump a different kind of candidate? We talked to @washingtonpost’s @Fahrenthold before America voted. #BriefButSpectacular pic.twitter.com/zF74zY1SvX

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A brief but spectacular take from David Fahrenthold

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Jebediah, RBG Nov 10, 2016 • 1:44:03pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

I have worn them for a long time because they fit my feet really well. If yours are like mine try Saucony - my most recent pair are Saucony and the arches are even better for my feet than New Balance were.

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goddamnedfrank Nov 10, 2016 • 1:44:09pm

Trump’s battleground state political director charged in Oklahoma with 2 counts of conspiracy to commit a felony https://t.co/BoPIyFMttK

— Ben Schreckinger (@SchreckReports) November 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 1:44:43pm

re: #185 goddamnedfrank

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DRAIN THE SWAMP, oh wait this is one of ours? Gooooooooooooo team!

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Decatur Deb Nov 10, 2016 • 1:44:51pm

re: #169 William Lewis

I know. Though I may send my son north as a refugee…

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But for the rest of us, the resistance has to start now. Not just politically but in putting sand in their machines. Hiding you neighbors from the ethnic cleansing. Everyone of us being Mexican and Muslum. It’s time to wear a white rose .

Agree. Unfortunately

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teleskiguy Nov 10, 2016 • 1:45:25pm

re: #181 lawhawk

.@realDonaldTrump has sold all of his people down the river for as long as he’s been alive, he’ll sell out his supporters just the same.

— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) November 10, 2016

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Kragar Nov 10, 2016 • 1:45:28pm

25% of America invested our future in a man with a 40 year history of screwing over his investors pic.twitter.com/C8dkPbWW0l

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EmmaAnne Nov 10, 2016 • 1:45:42pm

re: #146 stpaulbear

I’m finding that I’m not on board with all of the DNC bashing going on here. From everything I saw it seemed like GOTV was strong for this election (especially when compared to the zero effort that was coming out of the Trump campaign).

Agreed. I’ve never seen better GOTV and I have been intimately involved with it since Kerry. I know we all want to find A Thing that went wrong that we can fix. Pick a charismatic candidate! Rework the DNC from the ground up! Listen to red-stater’s concerns and nod understandingly! Stop taking about guns or abortion or race!

There is no magic bullet here, and Democrats have got to stop thinking there is. Republicans win, not because they have a perfect candidate or the RNC is awesome or people love their positions. They win because their voters vote for Republicans every time in every election and they work on this stuff all the time, not every four years. It is boring and hard and I would love to believe that picking the right DNC chair would spare us all that work, but it isn’t true.

I am particularly frustrated by people who think we should have “picked” a “better” candidate than Clinton. That isn’t how it works. People who want to be president run a primary campaign and the party choses from among them. I have seen no evidence that a better candidate than Clinton exists (given that Obama can’t run again) but even if they do - they didn’t want it. They didn’t run. Besides, Republicans run shitty candidates all the time and win. We want to blame it on the candidate because then we don’t have to change anything else.

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wrenchwench Nov 10, 2016 • 1:45:53pm

I will no longer refer to him as Trump, he likes his name in print too much.. I shall henceforth call him Trayf.

— Michael W. Twitty (@KosherSoul) November 10, 2016

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William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 1:46:04pm

re: #187 Decatur Deb

Agree. Unfortunately

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goddamnedfrank Nov 10, 2016 • 1:46:40pm

*fights the air*

@Snowden It needs to be pointed out that neither Clinton nor Obama did a single thing to prevent this very dark potential future

— Ken McCarthy (@KenMcCarthy) November 9, 2016

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BeachDem Nov 10, 2016 • 1:46:58pm

re: #149 Blind Frog Belly White

Lies work. The lesson of 2016.

Large parts of the American electorate WANT a candidate who will tell them what they want to hear, even knowing it’s not true. I have no idea how to deal with that.

And unchallenged lies, shouted through a media bullhorn, work even better.

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Mike Lamb Nov 10, 2016 • 1:47:37pm

re: #174 goddamnedfrank

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So an investment advisor could use my money for the sole purpose of enriching himself? How’s that not theft? More importantly, why would anyone continue to use advisors if that was the case?

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 1:47:38pm

re: #193 goddamnedfrank

*fights the air*

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Enjoy Russia Ed.

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jaunte Nov 10, 2016 • 1:48:00pm

Steve Bannon of Breitbart News is a leading candidate to become Trump’s chief of staff, sources say https://t.co/XAiQW39z4B

— The New York Times (@nytimes) November 10, 2016

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Put aside the moral horror of this for a second - Trump clearly has NO idea what it takes to run the country if he thinks Bannon can be CoS. https://t.co/rTWsAH2hYW

— George Zornick (@gzornick) November 10, 2016

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bratwurst Nov 10, 2016 • 1:48:23pm

Wow…guess we really dodged that whole “World War 3” bullet…right? pic.twitter.com/49Rk4g0OOI

— Clay C. (@ClayC1969) November 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 1:48:50pm

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Jesus Christ. Well I guess that shouldn’t be a surprise.

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EPR-radar Nov 10, 2016 • 1:48:52pm

re: #190 EmmaAnne

Agreed. I’ve never seen better GOTV and I have been intimately involved with it since Kerry. I know we all want to find A Thing that went wrong that we can fix. Pick a charismatic candidate! Rework the DNC from the ground up! Listen to red-stater’s concerns and nod understandingly! Stop taking about guns or abortion or race!

There is no magic bullet here, and Democrats have got to stop thinking there is. Republicans win, not because they have a perfect candidate or the RNC is awesome or people love their positions. They win because their voters vote for Republicans every time in every election and they work on this stuff all the time, not every four years. It is boring and hard and I would love to believe that picking the right DNC chair would spare us all that work, but it isn’t true.

I am particularly frustrated by people who think we should have “picked” a “better” candidate than Clinton. That isn’t how it works. People who want to be president run a primary campaign and the party choses from among them. I have seen no evidence that a better candidate than Clinton exists (given that Obama can’t run again) but even if they do - they didn’t want it. They didn’t run. Besides, Republicans run shitty candidates all the time and win. We want to blame it on the candidate because then we don’t have to change anything else.

I absolutely agree that there was nothing wrong with Clinton as a candidate that could have been fixed with any available alternative.

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teleskiguy Nov 10, 2016 • 1:49:13pm

White House Communications Director Roger Ailes.

You heard it here first.

Mother fuck.

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HypnoToad Nov 10, 2016 • 1:49:13pm

The spell to use for repelling an orange Boggart is: RIDDIKULUS!

Seriously, Trump’s weak point is his malignant narcissism and ego. If individuals, celebrities, organizations, even countries can join forces in marginalizing, shunning and ridiculing him in every way possible, it will eventually get to him even if he maintains a shield of sycophants around him.
Imagine if he lost it and tried to stop, say, nasty editorials and cartoons. Newspapers would only have to leave blank spots on the page with a caption stating that this content was censored by the Trump administration.
Keep up the protests. Make him lose it, make him go all Orwellian to protect his id.

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Decatur Deb Nov 10, 2016 • 1:50:04pm

re: #192 William Lewis

So we steal it back. Wear it and make them ashamed of it.

While on TDY from Vilseck, I drove down to the University and twisted roses through the wrought-iron gates. My Israeli co-worker took the day at Dachau.

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Mike Lamb Nov 10, 2016 • 1:50:16pm

re: #179 BeachDem

Obama 2012, took 63% of under $30,000; 57% between $30,000 and $50,000.

Hillary took 53% and 51% respectively.

Those two groups represented 36% of this year’s electorate-41% in 2012.

Can’t find a breakdown of income by race/ethnicity.

Thanks for those numbers. So then the next question is whether that change represents an actual shift, or was it largely made up in the overall lack of participation in that demographic relative to 2012? Stated otherwise, did the reliably GOP voters in that demographic get out the vote, while the Dem segment didn’t or are was there legitmate crossover?

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nines09 Nov 10, 2016 • 1:50:19pm

re: #198 bratwurst

Now we just get to destroy our own nation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 10, 2016 • 1:51:29pm

I think the very first thing donald might do on Day One^TM is to pardon or pre-emptively pardon Christie.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 10, 2016 • 1:51:58pm

Sam DuBose’s family is leaving the courthouse. They have been told there is not a verdict. Jury deliberating #TensingTrial

— Angenette Levy (@Angenette5) November 10, 2016

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 10, 2016 • 1:52:47pm

Steve Bannon of Breitbart being considered for WH chief of staff —

— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) November 10, 2016

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The Teapot Dome and Ohio Gang ain’t got nothing on the coming most corrupt administration of all time. #NotMyPresident #IHopeHeFails https://t.co/7vxCDpsy2N

— Nathan Obral 🍁😸🍁 (@myronfalwell) November 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 1:52:50pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think the very first thing donald might do on Day One^TM is to pardon or pre-emptively pardon Christie.

Wouldn’t surprise me. Christie is definitely getting some kind of job from this administration. Trump will always have a place for Christie for kneecaping Rubio for him.

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EPR-radar Nov 10, 2016 • 1:52:53pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think the very first thing donald might do on Day One^TM is to pardon or pre-emptively pardon Christie.

Why? What would be in it for Trump to do that? Christie has served his purpose and will be discarded by Trump like a used Kleenax.

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William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 1:53:34pm

re: #203 Decatur Deb

While on TDY from Vilseck, I drove down to the University and twisted roses through the wrought-iron gates. My Israeli co-worker took the day at Dachau.

Thank you for that. At least you understand the meaning I have for that; I wonder about that at other places I try to get a word in edgewise.

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gwangung Nov 10, 2016 • 1:53:35pm

re: #204 Mike Lamb

Thanks for those numbers. So then the next question is whether that change represents an actual shift, or was it largely made up in the overall lack of participation in that demographic relative to 2012? Stated otherwise, did the reliably GOP voters in that demographic get out the vote, while the Dem segment didn’t or are was there legitmate crossover?

And how much of that was due to suppression efforts (we’re talking multi-prong solutions here).

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 1:53:46pm

re: #210 EPR-radar

Why? What would be in it for Trump to do that? Christie has served his purpose and will be discarded by Trump like a used Kleenax.

He has him listed as being considered for a few cabinet spots. I don’t see him discarding Christie.

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Blind Frog Belly White Nov 10, 2016 • 1:54:18pm

re: #165 Mike Lamb

If Clinton was the wrong candidate, it was largely due to things entirely outside of her control—namely, the long term impact of 30 yeards of witch hunts.

And that’s a big part of my frustration. The Right engaged in the Politics of Personal Destruction against her since at least 1992. Lie after lie, witch hunt after witch hunt - all of which found nothing. She’s probably the most thoroughly investigated person in the world, and they keep finding nothing.

Did HRC do some things that hurt her, while themselves being innocent? Oh, yeah. But, my god, the number of times she’s been accused of stupid things on no evidence! And the number of times that innocent things have been misconstrued to be evidence of evil!

I don’t know how to fight that, any more than I know how to fight lying promises to do things that literally cannot be done.

This will sound like mere bitter partisanship, but the Right seems willing to transgress any of the rules and traditions we used to use to keep the country together in order to win. I believe this is their response to demographic inevitability - if you can’t win, cheat.

I’m not sure we can win without being willing to be as dirty as they are, and if we did, would we be any better than they are? And in the end, do I care? Do I have to outdo my enemy in all the things that I despise about him in order to defeat him? Am I willing to do that?

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Rocky-in-Connecticut Nov 10, 2016 • 1:54:29pm

re: #185 goddamnedfrank

The most maddening thing to think about is a Trump administration is going to be filled with the looniest, most abhorrent pay for play bribe-taking sh*tshow this country hasn’t seen since the 1800’s and they are all going to either get a pass from the Trumpsters and likely full Pardons from Trump himself.

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EPR-radar Nov 10, 2016 • 1:54:59pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

He has him listed as being considered for a few cabinet spots. I don’t see him discarding Christie.

Interesting. It seems Christie has important skills, like knowing how to fluff Donald Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 10, 2016 • 1:55:26pm

Sad Cat The Bear may be retired now, but his brother, Sweary Cat Shipley, is here to take up the slack:

“Get me to the White House in January - I’ll shit all over that orange fucker’s chair.” pic.twitter.com/sxRCw8CzEV

— MY SWEARY CAT (@MYSWEARYCAT) November 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 1:55:33pm

re: #216 EPR-radar

Interesting. It seems Christie has important skills, like knowing how to fluff Donald Trump.

He’s your man if you need someone to get back on a plane after you’ve emasculated them on camera!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 10, 2016 • 1:56:04pm

re: #215 Rocky-in-Connecticut

The most maddening thing to think about is a Trump administration is going to be filled with the looniest, most abhorrent pay for play bribe-taking sh*tshow this country hasn’t seen since the 1800’s and they are all going to either get a pass from the Trumpsters and likely full Pardons from Trump himself.

we are living in an alternate reality. these people will be praised as american heroes and patriots, and anything they screw up will be laid at the door of minorities, meddling foreigners and (((bankers)))

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EmmaAnne Nov 10, 2016 • 1:56:16pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think the very first thing donald might do on Day One^TM is to pardon or pre-emptively pardon Christie.

Pretty sure he can only pardon people for federal crimes, right?

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EPR-radar Nov 10, 2016 • 1:56:54pm

re: #214 Blind Frog Belly White

And that’s a big part of my frustration. The Right engaged in the Politics of Personal Destruction against her since at least 1992. Lie after lie, witch hunt after witch hunt - all of which found nothing. She’s probably the most thoroughly investigated person in the world, and they keep finding nothing.

Did HRC do some things that hurt her, while themselves being innocent? Oh, yeah. But, my god, the number of times she’s been accused of stupid things on no evidence! And the number of times that innocent things have been misconstrued to be evidence of evil!

I don’t know how to fight that, any more than I know how to fight lying promises to do things that literally cannot be done.

This will sound like mere bitter partisanship, but the Right seems willing to transgress any of the rules and traditions we used to use to keep the country together in order to win. I believe this is their response to demographic inevitability - if you can’t win, cheat.

I’m not sure we can win without being willing to be as dirty as they are, and if we did, would we be any better than they are? And in the end, do I care? Do I have to outdo my enemy in all the things that I despise about him in order to defeat him? Am I willing to do that?

in a political battle between Lies and Truth, Lies will often win. That’s just a brute fact at this point.

Perhaps this is how democracy is ultimately doomed to fail.

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Jebediah, RBG Nov 10, 2016 • 1:57:10pm

re: #146 stpaulbear

I think you’re right.

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Timothy Watson Nov 10, 2016 • 1:57:19pm

re: #220 EmmaAnne

Pretty sure he can only pardon people for federal crimes, right?

Yes.

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gocart mozart Nov 10, 2016 • 1:58:42pm

@JohnFeehery
He’s lying. He complimented Hillary to which I think he meant. His campaign was a lie. His whole life is lies.

— gocart mozart (@gocartmozart1) November 10, 2016

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William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 1:59:08pm

re: #221 EPR-radar

in a political battle between Lies and Truth, Lies will often win. That’s just a brute fact at this point.

Perhaps this is how democracy is ultimately doomed to fail.

This is how liberty dies

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makeitstop Nov 10, 2016 • 1:59:56pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

He has him listed as being considered for a few cabinet spots. I don’t see him discarding Christie.

He’s being considered to head up the to-be-created Department of Fetching KFC.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 10, 2016 • 2:00:32pm

re: #220 EmmaAnne

Pretty sure he can only pardon people for federal crimes, right?

Bridgegate trials so far have been in federal court.

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EPR-radar Nov 10, 2016 • 2:01:32pm

re: #225 William Lewis

The main way I can stay sane at the moment is thinking about the hoariest old CT trope ever — the conversation between the US president-elect and the real rulers of the nation where the incoming president is told what can and cannot be done.

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teleskiguy Nov 10, 2016 • 2:01:56pm

.@DanaBashCNN reports Trump wants Steve Bannon as chief of staff but others are trying to talk him out of it.

— Katie Hinman (@khinman) November 10, 2016

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Yeah, good luck with that.

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 2:02:49pm

re: #229 teleskiguy

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Yeah, good luck with that.

Ha, yeah he’s going to get it. It’s a position that doesn’t have to be confirmed. Trump’s going to have his way with this one. Man Bannon as Chief of Staff. Jesus.

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BeachDem Nov 10, 2016 • 2:03:38pm

re: #204 Mike Lamb

Thanks for those numbers. So then the next question is whether that change represents an actual shift, or was it largely made up in the overall lack of participation in that demographic relative to 2012? Stated otherwise, did the reliably GOP voters in that demographic get out the vote, while the Dem segment didn’t or are was there legitmate crossover?

Well, right off the bat, they represented 5% less of the overall voting group, and thus far, it looks like voting totals were down this year.

Also, can’t find crosstabs about how much importance those groups gave to economic issues vs. other considerations (they’re probably out there somewhere, but I can’t locate them right now)

Racial/ethnic crosstabs in those income groups would also be enlightening.

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Timothy Watson Nov 10, 2016 • 2:03:39pm

re: #230 HappyWarrior

Ha, yeah he’s going to get it. It’s a position that doesn’t have to be confirmed. Trump’s going to have his way with this one. Man Bannon as Chief of Staff. Jesus.

That or a special adviser to the President, either are equally terrifying.

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 2:04:26pm

re: #232 Timothy Watson

That or a special adviser to the President, either are equally terrifying.

Yes, Bannon is going to have Trump’s ear when he should be a fucking pariah.

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mmmirele Nov 10, 2016 • 2:04:34pm

My mom is 76 years old, legally blind and pretty darn deaf. She voted for Trump. I talked my brother into going on a vacation, so I am spending time at her house so I can keep an eye on her.

She asked me this morning about the election, if there was any more news. I said I didn’t want to talk about it. But then I said, “I have one thing to say and then I won’t talk about it anymore. You voted for a racist, sexist pig and I am disappointed in you.” She tried to give me a “there were two candidates” spiel, but I was having none of it. I told her exactly what a Trump presidency means: it means trouble for women, people of color, immigrants and Muslims. And I didn’t approve of it. Oh yeah, I also told her I was getting a passport. Not that I expect to leave the country, not that I want to leave the country, but if it all turns to shit, I want the option.

It’s hard to talk to my mom—I was doing this through a paper megaphone, but she heard me loud and clear. I feel very alone right now. I’ve always been the liberal in the extended family (both sides are from the South via Arkansas and Oklahoma) but the thought that most of my blood kin voted for the short-fingered vulgarian is upsetting to me.

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KGxvi Nov 10, 2016 • 2:05:01pm

re: #230 HappyWarrior

Ha, yeah he’s going to get it. It’s a position that doesn’t have to be confirmed. Trump’s going to have his way with this one. Man Bannon as Chief of Staff. Jesus.

Could be worse, I’m not entirely sure how it could be worse, but I suspect it could be worse…

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BeachDem Nov 10, 2016 • 2:07:28pm

re: #219 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we are living in an alternate reality. these people will be praised as american heroes and patriots, and anything they screw up will be laid at the door of minorities, meddling foreigners and (((bankers)))

and Obama (and probably the Clintons, because why not?)

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Romantic Heretic Nov 10, 2016 • 2:08:32pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

I wonder why no one has tried this suggestion from Jim Wright.

I’d love to see the pretzels the NRA would twist themselves into trying fight this. “Yes, those are our regulations for gun safety, but we’re against them.”

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Charles Johnson Nov 10, 2016 • 2:08:36pm

Good grief. The NeverHillary crowd is being absolutely fucking insufferable today on Twitter.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 10, 2016

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mmmirele Nov 10, 2016 • 2:09:38pm

re: #36 William Lewis

The fundies came out in record numbers because they want Roe V Wade to get a stake through it’s heart.

Roe will get a stake, but Eisenstadt v. Baird (legalized birth control for unmarried women) and Griswold v. Connecticut (legalized birth control for married women) will also get staked. Remember, these radicals think birth control causes abortions.

And if abortion is outlawed, all that will happen is that the cartels will just move into selling RU486 next to cocaine. And women will pray it’s the real thing, not some fake.

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 2:10:15pm

re: #235 KGxvi

Could be worse, I’m not entirely sure how it could be worse, but I suspect it could be worse…

Could be raining.

It Could Be Worse, It Could Be Raining

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William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 2:10:19pm

Well, so much for that other web site I used to hang out at. Had a berniebro claim that Trumps election will help clean out corruption (say what? I suppose he means in the DNC) and that if the ethnic cleansing happens to a couple of million, well, he’d rather it didn’t but that’s just the price of it. Fuck that, I called him evil, logged out and have no intention of going back.

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 2:11:27pm

re: #238 Charles Johnson

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thedopefishlives Nov 10, 2016 • 2:12:00pm

re: #241 William Lewis

Well, so much for that other web site I used to hang out at. Had a berniebro claim that Trumps election will help clean out corruption (say what? I suppose he means in the DNC) and that if the ethnic cleansing happens to a couple of million, well, he’d rather it didn’t but that’s just the price of it. Fuck that, I called him evil, logged out and have no intention of going back.

Aw, come on, what’s a couple million subhuman pieces of filth when it means we can get our pure ponies back?!

*spit*

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Romantic Heretic Nov 10, 2016 • 2:13:23pm

re: #81 William Lewis

Remembering a cartoon I saw years ago.

It had two men; ragged, hungry; sitting in a wasteland. They were sheltering under a bit of wall still standing where some of the roof remained.

One man is saying to the other, “Did anyone ever tell you you talk like a Commie?”

People will hold on to their lies to the bitter end.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 10, 2016 • 2:13:34pm

re: #234 mmmirele

{{{hugs}}}

I commiserated with an artist friend of mine from Maine earlier this afternoon. It surprised me to learn that she had also evolved from being a conservative as well in recent years. And it broke her heart to find out that her parents went for Cheeto Jesus.

This is going to be more common than we think.

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HypnoToad Nov 10, 2016 • 2:13:58pm

re: #234 mmmirele

Same here. My mom, a retired teacher was all in for Trump. Everything negative about him, no matter what evidence I showed, are “Democrat lies.” She trusts him because he feeds her racist fantasies about restoring the country she knew. Hillary was Satan incarnate due to the drumbeat over the years. So believed the rest of my family…

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BeachDem Nov 10, 2016 • 2:14:06pm

OK—all of the news I’ve seen today thus far has just made me sadder and more depressed, so I’m going to go do my billing, and when the money comes in, I guess I’ll stuff it under my mattress. (Can’t work up the courage to see what my retirement looks like.)

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Nov 10, 2016 • 2:17:08pm

Edward Snowden to stream LIVE at startpage.com Thursday, November 10!
Learn more

The Fuck is this shit?

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thedopefishlives Nov 10, 2016 • 2:20:49pm

re: #248 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

“Edward Snowden to stream LIVE at startpage.com Thursday, November 10!

Learn more

The Fuck is this shit?

Is he going to get a Presidential pardon?

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 10, 2016 • 2:22:05pm

I’ve always loved Jimmy Malone. And he’s not pulling any punches on Twitter today.

It is dangerous for good people to remain silent ,when other people are preaching hate and racism. I will not be silent.

— Jimmy Malone (@malone1057) November 10, 2016

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@malone1057 Like Trump haters dragging old white men out of cars at an intersection beating him because they “suspect” him voting Trump?

— Mike Wrobbel (@fadopub) November 10, 2016

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Like Trump supporters openly beating non Trump supporters at his rallies, waving the confederate flag and holding up racist signs. https://t.co/ieWx0t9fe4

— Jimmy Malone (@malone1057) November 10, 2016

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MsJ Nov 10, 2016 • 2:23:04pm

re: #247 BeachDem

OK—all of the news I’ve seen today thus far has just made me sadder and more depressed, so I’m going to go do my billing, and when the money comes in, I guess I’ll stuff it under my mattress. (Can’t work up the courage to see what my retirement looks like.)

I’m not certain I have the capacity to be more depressed. Or more angry.

Even my coworkers - who never discuss politics - are asking WTF. That’s not including the one who’s going back to Europe.

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Skip Intro Nov 10, 2016 • 2:23:29pm

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teleskiguy Nov 10, 2016 • 2:23:52pm

Great. Trump’s America is going to be so pleasant.

Without fat girls, there would be no protests. pic.twitter.com/Qmd7XE0CJC

— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) November 10, 2016

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William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 2:24:10pm

re: #252 Skip Intro

Your tags aren’t working.

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Timothy Watson Nov 10, 2016 • 2:24:29pm

re: #249 thedopefishlives

Is he going to get a Presidential pardon?

Not until January 20th after noon.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 10, 2016 • 2:24:36pm

re: #249 thedopefishlives

Is he going to get a Presidential pardon?

Trump said he would do that.

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MsJ Nov 10, 2016 • 2:25:17pm

re: #252 Skip Intro

You need [ and ] not < and >. FYI.

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Skip Intro Nov 10, 2016 • 2:26:28pm

Needs more fucking parrots.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 10, 2016 • 2:28:19pm

We’re gonna fight like hell, but we’ve got to retain our humanity and right to laugh and be goofy and celebrate what they hate about us too

— dismay princess (@UnburntWitch) November 10, 2016

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teleskiguy Nov 10, 2016 • 2:28:38pm

I wonder if Trump will implement a 25% tariff on Chinese goods.

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Skip Intro Nov 10, 2016 • 2:28:42pm

re: #254 William Lewis

You folks are quick. Fixed it now.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 10, 2016 • 2:28:47pm

re: #3 Dr. Matt

Trump’s America.

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Fuck Shaun King, he enabled this to happen with his “Bernie or Bust” mentality.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 10, 2016 • 2:29:49pm

re: #253 teleskiguy

Great. Trump’s America is going to be so pleasant.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 10, 2016 • 2:30:29pm

Is there any way we can hide that image of Big Pussygrabber? I almost vomited when I opened LGF.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 10, 2016 • 2:30:51pm

The @HamiltonCntyOH Sheriff office came down and told crowd no verdict tonight in #TensingTrial they say they are staying @Local12 pic.twitter.com/uNH6rzIx7C

— TR Gormley (@McGingeryBeard) November 10, 2016

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Sheriff office came down and told crowd no verdict tonight in #TensingTrial they say they are staying

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Jebediah, RBG Nov 10, 2016 • 2:31:12pm

re: #246 HypnoToad

Everything negative about him, no matter what evidence I showed, are “Democrat lies.”

Even the stuff that came out of his own mouth?
Geez.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 10, 2016 • 2:32:47pm

Trump’s National Security Team is getting the hard core intel briefings today. So the Kremlin is fully up to speed.

— Jeff Gauvin (@JeffersonObama) November 10, 2016

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thedopefishlives Nov 10, 2016 • 2:33:40pm

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump said he would do that.

God damnit. This is why we can’t have nice things.

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Frankie Five Angels Nov 10, 2016 • 2:35:58pm

Okay, so I took a look at Der Furher’s tax proposal, and in it he is proposing getting rid of the personal exemption which is $4050 for those that itemize deductions. Well, that would affect small business owners like myself, and if my tax rate is 25%, that means my taxes would GO UP by $1000 a year (since 25% of 4050 is a grand). Thanks, asshole!

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William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 2:36:18pm

re: #267 Backwoods_Sleuth

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 10, 2016 • 2:36:23pm

“Homosexuality is a lifestyle, it’s a choice, and that lifestyle can be changed.” – Trump transition team’s head of domestic policy pic.twitter.com/SfMcV8qtIb

— Scott Bixby (@scottbix) November 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 2:37:15pm

re: #253 teleskiguy

Great. Trump’s America is going to be so pleasant.

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Lovely. Fuck off Ann.

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William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 2:37:22pm

re: #269 Frankie Five Angels

Okay, so I took a look at Der Furher’s tax proposal, and in it he is proposing getting rid of the personal exemption which is $4050 for those that itemize deductions. Well, that would affect small business owners like myself, and if my tax rate is 25%, that means my taxed would GO UP by $1000 a year. Thanks, asshole!

Yep. Can’t have rich people paying when there is more to gouge out of the poor and middle.

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CuriousLurker Nov 10, 2016 • 2:37:42pm

re: #264 The Vicious Babushka

Is there any way we can hide that image of Big Pussygrabber? I almost vomited when I opened LGF.

THIS. I’m doing my best not to have to hear him or see his disgusting face. I’m not keen on being visually assaulted by giant images of his hateful face here every day.

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KGxvi Nov 10, 2016 • 2:37:44pm

re: #260 teleskiguy

I wonder if Trump will implement a 25% tariff on Chinese goods.

When was the last really good trade war?

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 2:37:54pm

re: #271 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 10, 2016 • 2:38:23pm

re: #271 klys (maker of Silmarils)

My response to Democrats who would sit out and allow this to happen because they’re scared they might not get to keep their guns isn’t fit to print here. No gun is worth other peoples’ lives and rights.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 10, 2016 • 2:38:47pm

re: #271 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Oh great. Ken F—-ING Blackwell.

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 2:39:03pm

re: #277 klys (maker of Silmarils)

My response to Democrats who would sit out and allow this to happen because they’re scared they might not get to keep their guns isn’t fit to print here. No gun is worth other peoples’ lives and rights.

This times a million.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 10, 2016 • 2:39:42pm

Asked if he could have beaten Trump, Bernie Sanders says, “What good does it do now?” https://t.co/6OZtrfIwim https://t.co/crcFo7n2AL

— CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) November 10, 2016

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fuck off bernie.
really, just shut the fuck up.

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Skip Intro Nov 10, 2016 • 2:39:46pm

Oval office remodel, plan 1.

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Bubblehead II Nov 10, 2016 • 2:40:26pm

re: #245 Myron Falwell (no relation)

{{{hugs}}}

I commiserated with an artist friend of mine from Maine earlier this afternoon. It surprised me to learn that she had also evolved from being a conservative as well in recent years. And it broke her heart to find out that her parents went for Cheeto Jesus.

This is going to be more common than we think.

Yep. My family totally disowned me in 2012 when I told them I voted for Obama. Didn’t think to much about then. Figured hey it just politics, went to the usual family get together’s and nothing was said. Then I damn near lost my mate in Jan (pulmonary edema) and none of them called or visited after being informed.

My eldest sister called last week wanting to know if we would be there for the Thanksgiving meal. Got told to Fuck off. If they didn’t care about me or the Mate, I didn’t want anything to do with them.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 10, 2016 • 2:40:40pm

re: #225 William Lewis

Democracy doesn’t die. It goes to sleep, and eventually comes back up.

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EPR-radar Nov 10, 2016 • 2:40:48pm

re: #253 teleskiguy

Dear Ann Coulter,

This would be an excellent time for you to get throat cancer and die from it without ever again speaking a single word to another human being. Bonus points if its complications deny you the use of your hands so that you can’t type.

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jaunte Nov 10, 2016 • 2:40:57pm

re: #280 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sanders protege Zephyr Teachout ran in white, upstate NY district filled w/ lots of “working families”…and lost

— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) November 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 10, 2016 • 2:41:32pm

re: #285 jaunte

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i’m getting sick of this shit. I really am.

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Skip Intro Nov 10, 2016 • 2:41:36pm

re: #280 Backwoods_Sleuth

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fuck off bernie.
really, just shut the fuck up.

Still playing the horse race, eh CNN? Next up, Gary Johnson, then Jill Stein.

No news, all of the time. CNN.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 10, 2016 • 2:42:24pm

The dems need organization and focus on the young. Need a fifty State strategy and tech rehab. I am in for chairman again.

— Howard Dean (@GovHowardDean) November 10, 2016

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EPR-radar Nov 10, 2016 • 2:42:47pm

re: #281 Skip Intro

It’s missing the 9’ tall gold plated statue of Trump, naked and rampant (10” or more). It would be classy.

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thedopefishlives Nov 10, 2016 • 2:42:54pm

re: #288 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah, because there’s no POSSIBLE way that could go wrong.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 10, 2016 • 2:43:19pm

The Ministry has fallen. Death Eaters are about. But, my wizards, together we can defeat the dark tides of bigotry and intolerance. #WandsUp

— George Takei (@GeorgeTakei) November 10, 2016

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JP Chgo Nov 10, 2016 • 2:44:03pm

re: #114 EmmaAnne

Dude - way way way too long.

Honestly. One of the worst ways to read anything.

And repeating the text of the previous tweet makes it even worse.

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Timothy Watson Nov 10, 2016 • 2:44:08pm

re: #288 Backwoods_Sleuth

The dems need organization and focus on the young. Need a fifty State strategy and tech rehab. I am in for chairman again.

Oh my fucking God, I am going to stop now before I say something that gets me banned.

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Jason Munro Nov 10, 2016 • 2:44:38pm

Hey all,
Long time lurker and occasional poster. Just want to say thanks to the LGF community. Like many of you I’m struggling with our current situation. Reading your candid thoughts has been cathartic, and is helping me move forward through the stages of grief. I humbly submit my own, in the hope I might in a small way return the favor.

The biggest heartbreak for me in this whole dumpster fire is that I was wrong to think there are enough thoughtful Americans to not elect an obviously racist conman. I love my country. I believe in the good in people. This has really shaken my faith in both, but I refuse to allow it to be toppled.

Even if I’m wrong, I simply won’t live that way.

When I was 11 my father passed away from a long struggle with cancer. He impressed upon me 2 important lessons:

“Never underestimate the ignorance of the general public.”

This has rung too true for me this week. And this advice was given WAY before the misinformation machine we are pummeled with on a daily basis was commissioned. The second (attempting some levity here, bear with me), was:

“never put anything in your penis hole.”

This particular advice was given after I witnessed him insert a catheter (he was paralyzed from the waist down by this time).

Have heart lizards. Keep fighting for truth, for fairness, for equality, for our kids, for the future. I will. FWIW, I’m listening to some old school punk (Minor Threat, Fugazi, at the moment the Distillers), and it’s definitely helping to dissipate some rage.

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thedopefishlives Nov 10, 2016 • 2:44:50pm

re: #282 Bubblehead II

Yep. My family totally disowned me in 2012 when I told them I voted for Obama. Didn’t think to much about then. Figured hey it just politics, went to the usual family get together’s and nothing was said. Then I damn near lost my mate in Jan (pulmonary edema) and none of them called or visited after being informed.

My eldest sister called last week wanting to know if we would be there for the Thanksgiving meal. Got told to Fuck off. If they didn’t care about me or the Mate, I didn’t want anything to do with them.

I called my older sister earlier this week. She was taking a Facebook break because some dipshit posted a meme about Christians who hate Obama only hate him because he’s black. I was honestly afraid of telling her that I actually kind of like the President and I refused to vote for Trump.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 10, 2016 • 2:44:52pm

re: #87 Ziggy_TARDIS

I really did not need to see eleventy bazillion Tweets from this person. You could have made your point by embedding 4 or 5.

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Skip Intro Nov 10, 2016 • 2:45:54pm

re: #289 EPR-radar

It’s missing the 9’ tall gold plated statue of Trump, naked and rampant (10” or more). It would be classy.

Well, this was only plan 1. I agree with you though. No where near tacky enough for Trump.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 10, 2016 • 2:46:11pm

re: #281 Skip Intro

Oval office remodel, plan 1.

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NEEDS MOAR CHANDELIER & GOLD LEAF!!

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Charles Johnson Nov 10, 2016 • 2:46:48pm

CAUTION: PROFANITY. I shot this video of @realDonaldTrump backer/controversial journalist Charles C. Johnson confronted by critic on subway. pic.twitter.com/Hyx6nZgAWw

— Ethan Harp (@EthanHarpNews) November 10, 2016

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Skip Intro Nov 10, 2016 • 2:46:51pm

re: #291 Backwoods_Sleuth

So now were depending on make believe?

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baileylamb Nov 10, 2016 • 2:49:19pm

re: #35 Kryptik in Mourning

No Trump won bc he turn on and turned out the base. We need to do the same thing. We have a bigger base, we need to motivate and turn them out. Do not apologize for our cause, that’s something ppl respect. We gain respect, we gain back some rural votes.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Nov 10, 2016 • 2:50:35pm

re: #275 KGxvi

When was the last really good trade war?

1756-63.

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Charles Johnson Nov 10, 2016 • 2:51:31pm

Unacceptable, I agree. But have you noticed what’s happening lately on the web site you run? @jack

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 10, 2016

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Stanley Sea Nov 10, 2016 • 2:53:07pm

re: #260 teleskiguy

I wonder if Trump will implement a 25% tariff on Chinese goods.

I thought the number was 35% !!

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 10, 2016 • 2:53:15pm

@Nate_Cohn can you square that with this, which has been going around?https://t.co/6IMDbACW4y

— Christopher Esposito (@crabioscar) November 10, 2016

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re: #296 The Vicious Babushka

Sorry. I like to be thorough.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 10, 2016 • 2:53:41pm

re: #299 Charles Johnson

look at how he can’t stop his leg from twitching.

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MsJ Nov 10, 2016 • 2:55:15pm

re: #280 Backwoods_Sleuth

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fuck off bernie.
really, just shut the fuck up.

Bernie burned the house down with his bullshit rigging and continuing on after there was no way for him to win - all the while tearing down the nominee. Fuck him. He’s been dead to me since then and will be until the day I die.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 10, 2016 • 2:55:39pm

I was stuck in traffic for a FREAKING HOUR because of some car fire on the freeway. Yes I realize that ONE HOUR is a “normal commute” in some places but not in The Motor City. Then I had to go grocery shopping.

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I don’t feel like cooking dinner. Zedushka is on his own. In fact he is a retired old man who is home all day, he should learn to cook (something other than burgers & hot dogs).

I’m having apple pie and ice cream for dinner (yes that same pie I baked on Tuesday but lost my appetite for)

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 10, 2016 • 2:56:02pm

I moved to Argentina, they defaulted. I left, they inaugurated a technocrat. I moved to London, Brexit happened. I moved back to the US…

— Haley Cohen (@hco96) November 10, 2016

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William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 2:56:45pm

re: #302 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

1756-63.

Nah, the Opium Wars of 1839 - 1860. Totally devastated China.

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Skip Intro Nov 10, 2016 • 2:57:00pm

Regarding Steve Bannon as Trump COS, does anybody else remember the outrage over Rev. Wright when Obama won? I sure do.

But bringing in the head of a far right, white supremacist website as COS. Collective yawns from the media.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 10, 2016 • 2:57:11pm

re: #305 Ziggy_TARDIS

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You could have made a page.

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Blind Frog Belly White Nov 10, 2016 • 2:57:28pm

re: #285 jaunte

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Racism/misogyny/xenophobia don’t explain ALL of it. But they explain a LOT.

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Citizen K Nov 10, 2016 • 2:58:44pm

Trump’s fucking cabinet proposals and 100 days promises right out of the gate read like a fucking supervillain’s checklist in a superhero movie. The only way this could get more cartoonish and absurd is if his name was Bob Terwilliger.

I take that back. At least Sideshow Bob had some fucking class underneath his supervillainy.

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MsJ Nov 10, 2016 • 2:58:54pm

re: #294 Jason Munro

Welcome.

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GlutenFreeJesus Nov 10, 2016 • 3:00:06pm

re: #7 William Lewis

The more I read and the more people I talk to here in Wisconsin there are two things that cost Hillary the election here:

1) Being Anti-Gun. Lots of democrats here that own guns and believed she’d pull an Australia.

2) The FBI director’s letter.

less important in my immediate area but close,

3) Abortion.

8 million Democrats didn’t vote. It’s not 1, 2, or 3.

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Stanley Sea Nov 10, 2016 • 3:00:07pm

re: #299 Charles Johnson

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 10, 2016 • 3:00:48pm

re: #316 GlutenFreeJesus

Those played a role too.

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MsJ Nov 10, 2016 • 3:01:01pm

re: #299 Charles Johnson

I can’t make out any of that. Could you maybe summarize?

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 10, 2016 • 3:01:09pm

re: #308 The Vicious Babushka

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 10, 2016 • 3:01:32pm

somebody else who can just fuck off

@TheFix Fixing it for you, “Trump got support from racist sexist bigoted households.”

— think (@thinkkaz) November 10, 2016

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The assumption that “Trump voter = racist” is deeply corrosive to democracy. Also, wrong. https://t.co/vxFE571ILV

— Chris Cillizza (@TheFix) November 10, 2016

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Kragar Nov 10, 2016 • 3:01:38pm

“HEALING CRYSTALS FOR EVERYONE!”
“This is bag of broken bottle shards.”
“IMPERIALIST!” @BlackCatUnloads @TurnVinyl @DrJillStein

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 10, 2016

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MsJ Nov 10, 2016 • 3:01:38pm

re: #300 Skip Intro

So now were depending on make believe?

Why not? Reality is beyond fucked.

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electrotek Nov 10, 2016 • 3:02:45pm

Any story about that white Trump supporter supposedly being assaulted by a black man that is floating around social media?

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 10, 2016 • 3:03:04pm

Here’s the first photo of the Melania Trump-Michelle Obama meeting (via WH flickr) pic.twitter.com/K4rNECTLm4

— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) November 10, 2016

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Timothy Watson Nov 10, 2016 • 3:03:22pm

re: #308 The Vicious Babushka

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Jason Munro Nov 10, 2016 • 3:04:53pm

re: #315 MsJ

Thank you

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Dave In Austin Nov 10, 2016 • 3:05:08pm

re: #325 Backwoods_Sleuth

I wonder if they will rip out Michelle’s garden “DAY 1!!/!!”??

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 10, 2016 • 3:05:33pm

re: #328 Dave In Austin

I wonder if they will rip out Michelle’s garden “DAY 1!!/!!”??

I have no doubt about that at all

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Nov 10, 2016 • 3:05:57pm

re: #325 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 10, 2016 • 3:07:16pm

Republicans bitching about protesters clearly have very short memories. I’m old enough to remember countless Tea Party rallies in 2009.

— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) November 10, 2016

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Timothy Watson Nov 10, 2016 • 3:07:50pm

re: #330 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Aaaand…Melania’s sleeveless dress is perfectly OK, I guess?

Of course, she’s white.

(Never mind that neo-Nazis would probably consider her a Slav and therefore non-white.)

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Kragar Nov 10, 2016 • 3:07:56pm

“We just need to reach out and work with Trump and Republicans” pic.twitter.com/KsKPBqYPOz

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 10, 2016

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 10, 2016 • 3:09:29pm

I will support Howard Dean making a comeback.

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Scottishdragon Nov 10, 2016 • 3:10:00pm

re: #146 stpaulbear

Adendum to what you said…and I will aim this at the Berniebros in particular:

Image is what sells a presidency…not issues.

Repeat:

IMAGE SELLS A PRESIDENCY…NOT ISSUES!!!!!!!!!!

American do not vote based on reason, logic or any other sound principle. They vote on vague feelings and image projection.

Trump sold an image of “outrageous outsider!!!!” that took all his lies and used them to further sell his image.

The “liberal” MSM kept pushing the “Hillary is a liar” meme and BENGHAZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!EMAILSEMAILSEMAILS

Exciting image was and never has been Hillary’s strong point. She is the nerdy policy wonk who the cool girls laughed at while they got a c plus in biology lab.

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William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 3:11:03pm

re: #316 GlutenFreeJesus

8 million Democrats didn’t vote. It’s not 1, 2, or 3.

The people I talked to so far are Democrats. All of them. I won’t see any of the Republicans I know until Sunday. These are some of the reasons those people would not vote for Hillary. 1, 2 & 3.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 10, 2016 • 3:11:06pm

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

somebody else who can just fuck off

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 10, 2016 • 3:11:26pm

Biden: Oh boy, his car is here, quick let’s all hide
Obama: Joe pls pic.twitter.com/w0pqxcaS9A

— Mollie Goodfellow (@hansmollman) November 10, 2016

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 10, 2016 • 3:11:57pm

re: #336 William Lewis

The people I talked to so far are Democrats. All of them. I won’t see any of the Republicans I know until Sunday. These are some of the reasons those people would not vote for Hillary. 1, 2 & 3.

I assume they’re happy with this result then?

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HypnoToad Nov 10, 2016 • 3:13:22pm

re: #266 Jebediah, RBG

Even the stuff that came out of his own mouth?
Geez.

Yep, he was “just talking to his audience.” She also was impressed by his “Business skills,” and wouldn’t believe that his fortune was inherited! The failures? More democrat lies…

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William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 3:13:40pm

re: #339 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I assume they’re happy with this result then?

The ones who didn’t want Hillary? Yes. They feel he’ll do less damage. Of course they’re straight, white and already have jobs so privilege is a real thing too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 10, 2016 • 3:14:05pm

re: #338 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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“Let’s be eating Burritos when he turns up”
“Joe”
“And be wearing massive sombreros”
“Joe”
“Ok but what about the orange face paint”
“Joe” pic.twitter.com/0oV5lTGvt4

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TedStriker Nov 10, 2016 • 3:14:39pm

re: #330 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Aaaand…Melania’s sleeveless dress is perfectly OK, I guess?

It will be all the rage among the GOP women.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 10, 2016 • 3:15:28pm

Obama knows his legacy will be destroyed. Most of the good he did will soon be gone. He is now The President Who Preceded Trump.

— Mark Joseph Stern (@mjs_DC) November 9, 2016

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This is entirely false, and proving it false should be a cause to sustain us for the years ahead. https://t.co/GT5AF5byi3

— Teddy Goff (@teddygoff) November 9, 2016

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Blind Frog Belly White Nov 10, 2016 • 3:15:30pm

re: #305 Ziggy_TARDIS

We don’t have the turnout numbers for 2016 yet, and won’t for some days. Literally millions of votes yet to count. We’re on track to exceed 2012 at the moment.

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makeitstop Nov 10, 2016 • 3:15:59pm

re: #306 Backwoods_Sleuth

look at how he can’t stop his leg from twitching.

Scared shitless.

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EPR-radar Nov 10, 2016 • 3:16:06pm

re: #341 William Lewis

The ones who didn’t want Hillary? Yes. They feel he’ll do less damage. Of course they’re straight, white and already have jobs so privilege is a real thing too.

This is why we can’t have nice things. Supposed Democrats becoming totally irrational over their pet peeves (usually some kind of single-issue nonsense like guns).

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 10, 2016 • 3:16:12pm

re: #341 William Lewis

The ones who didn’t want Hillary? Yes. They feel he’ll do less damage. Of course they’re straight, white and already have jobs so privilege is a real thing too.

If their definition of damage is solely limited to guns and abortion, I suggest that the Republican party might be a better fit for them.

You say that if the Democratic party wants to win the Presidency again, we have to give up gun control completely. Maybe roll back what’s on the books already, just to reassure these voters that we’re not out to get their guns. What next? Give up on making sure women have the right to choose? Clearly they don’t like abortion, so we have to make sure they’re catered to there as well, or else we’re never going to see the Presidency again either.

Or we draw the line in the sand and let them be honest about where they fall.

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Jebediah, RBG Nov 10, 2016 • 3:16:52pm

re: #340 HypnoToad

Wow. So I guess Democrats typed up and planted the legal records of his bankruptcy proceedings etc.
I am sorry you have to deal with that. It is really disconcerting to try and talk with someone who is really inhabiting a different universe.

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KGxvi Nov 10, 2016 • 3:17:52pm

re: #338 klys (maker of Silmarils)

re: #342 Backwoods_Sleuth

there is not a small part of me that wants this fictional Joe Biden to be the real Joe Biden.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 10, 2016 • 3:18:06pm

re: #342 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m just going to need more of this for now until forever, okay?

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William Lewis Nov 10, 2016 • 3:20:12pm

re: #348 klys (maker of Silmarils)

If their definition of damage is solely limited to guns and abortion, I suggest that the Republican party might be a better fit for them.

You say that if the Democratic party wants to win the Presidency again, we have to give up gun control completely. Maybe roll back what’s on the books already, just to reassure these voters that we’re not out to get their guns. What next? Give up on making sure women have the right to choose? Clearly they don’t like abortion, so we have to make sure they’re catered to there as well, or else we’re never going to see the Presidency again either.

Or we draw the line in the sand and let them be honest about where they fall.

It’s a rural vs urban issue not Democrat vs Republican one. I get that a lot of folks don’t like that here but it cost this election by losing Wisconsin and Michigan and nearly cost Minnesota (everything non-Twin Cities was red).

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EPR-radar Nov 10, 2016 • 3:21:28pm

re: #348 klys (maker of Silmarils)

If their definition of damage is solely limited to guns and abortion, I suggest that the Republican party might be a better fit for them.

You say that if the Democratic party wants to win the Presidency again, we have to give up gun control completely. Maybe roll back what’s on the books already, just to reassure these voters that we’re not out to get their guns. What next? Give up on making sure women have the right to choose? Clearly they don’t like abortion, so we have to make sure they’re catered to there as well, or else we’re never going to see the Presidency again either.

Or we draw the line in the sand and let them be honest about where they fall.

What I’d like to see the Democrats do is not budge an inch on any of the social issues (guns, abortion etc.) and move significantly left on economic issues (stronger unions, better trade deals, a realistic approach to reducing income and wealth concentration).

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 10, 2016 • 3:25:52pm

re: #352 William Lewis

It’s a rural vs urban issue not Democrat vs Republican one. I get that a lot of folks don’t like that here but it cost this election by losing Wisconsin and Michigan and nearly cost Minnesota (everything non-Twin Cities was red).

Again, I ask: where do you draw the line? When they start pushing on the woman’s right to choose, are you just going to sacrifice that like you’re willing to sacrifice all other urban issues in order to win?

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 10, 2016 • 3:28:41pm

re: #303 Charles Johnson

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Twitter’s failure to enforce their own goddam TOS, thereby enabling this cesspool of hate, makes @Jack borderline complicit.

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Jebediah, RBG Nov 10, 2016 • 3:28:51pm

re: #354 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I am not willing to become them. Choice is one of the lines I personally won’t cross, ever.

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Bubblehead II Nov 10, 2016 • 3:29:24pm

Night Lizards.

I try to end my posting day on a positive note. Not tonight.

Our Sisters and Brothers are dying. By their own hand.
Let us put an end to this.
Let us make it clear they are accepted and loved.

Sarah McLachlan - In the arms of an angel

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CuriousLurker Nov 10, 2016 • 3:31:19pm

So does the Orange Vulgarian’s total ban on Muslims mean we’re going to have the GOP trying to change our laws so we’ll have something similar to Israel’s law? Because if the government starts singling out American Citizens who happen to be Muslim and not allowing them to sponsor their spouses if they come from certain countries, that’s going to start some real trouble.

The Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law (Temporary Order) 5763 is an Israeli law first passed on 31 July 2003 and most recently extended in June 2016. The law makes citizens of Iran, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Libya, Sudan, Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, the West Bank and Gaza Strip ineligible for the automatic granting of Israeli citizenship and residency permits that is usually available through marriage to an Israeli citizen (i.e. family reunification). […]

en.wikipedia.org

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Timothy Watson Nov 10, 2016 • 3:31:34pm

re: #355 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Twitter’s failure to enforce their own goddam TOS, thereby enabling this cesspool of hate, makes @Jack borderline complicit.

Borderline?

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Tigger2 Nov 10, 2016 • 3:31:54pm

re: #338 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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At least hide the silverware.

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teleskiguy Nov 10, 2016 • 3:32:24pm

Couldn’t we at least say that if you believe the earth is 6000 years old you can’t be secretary of education?

— Michael McKean (@MJMcKean) November 10, 2016

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 10, 2016 • 3:32:31pm

re: #356 Jebediah, RBG

I am not willing to become them. Choice is one of the lines I personally won’t cross, ever.

Me either, but apparently it cost us votes in WI among supposed Democrats so I have to ask the question. Because apparently even the fact that CA and WA had gun control measures on the ballot was getting these Democrats jumpy and nervous too, and so we shouldn’t have done that. Either.

So I’m wondering where the line is, and why rural voters get to have all the say and never any need to compromise on their pet issues, or else they’re willing to stand back and assist the Republicans in stomping all over the rights of other Americans.

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gocart mozart Nov 10, 2016 • 3:48:24pm

@TheLeadCNN @CristinaAlesci
Is CNN a potential news organization?

— gocart mozart (@gocartmozart1) November 10, 2016

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gocart mozart Nov 10, 2016 • 3:55:11pm

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

@TheFix
Chris Cillizza, the hack “journalism” you practice is what is deeply corrosive to democracy.

— gocart mozart (@gocartmozart1) November 10, 2016

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters Nov 10, 2016 • 4:03:35pm

re: #241 William Lewis

Why did you leave the site when he’s the asshole?

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters Nov 10, 2016 • 4:04:17pm

re: #296 The Vicious Babushka

I really did not need to see eleventy bazillion Tweets from this person. You could have made your point by embedding 4 or 5.

Or one and a link to a Storify.

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BeachDem Nov 10, 2016 • 4:05:25pm

re: #271 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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And that’s just the tip of the iceberg with the ugliness that is Ken Blackwell.

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BeachDem Nov 10, 2016 • 4:07:31pm

re: #274 CuriousLurker

THIS. I’m doing my best not to have to hear him or see his disgusting face. I’m not keen on being visually assaulted by giant images of his hateful face here every day.

I truly don’t think I can go four months, let alone four years, of seeing/hearing that disgusting pig. Wonder if somebody could come up with a trumpblocker ap to keep his image and voice from appearing?

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BeachDem Nov 10, 2016 • 4:09:26pm

re: #278 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Oh great. Ken F—-ING Blackwell.

One of the most detestable people on the planet. I have said many times to keep an eye on where he is and what he’s doing, because wherever and whatever it is, it will not be good.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters Nov 10, 2016 • 4:13:28pm

re: #364 gocart mozart

@TheFix Who assumed that? 33% follow white nationalists on Twitter. We don’t know what % are sexist. Prob ~30% aren’t racist or sexist.

— (((Jeff Furling))) (@FurlingtonJeff) November 11, 2016

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@TheFix Unless you consider wanting to enslave pregnant women to the state to be sexist. Then maybe .0001% aren’t sexist or racist.

— (((Jeff Furling))) (@FurlingtonJeff) November 11, 2016

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Just stupid.

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BeachDem Nov 10, 2016 • 4:14:27pm

re: #294 Jason Munro

Hi Jason—don’t be such a stranger.

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BeachDem Nov 10, 2016 • 4:28:16pm

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

somebody else who can just fuck off

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According to the exit polling on CNN, Hillary won union households 51-43.

Also—when they start talking about his strong military support—he won veterans 61-34 (which utterly boggles my brain) but she won active 50-45.
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BeachDem Nov 10, 2016 • 4:34:25pm

re: #351 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m just going to need more of this for now until forever, okay?

I agree. That was the first and only thing that made me even smile today.

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BeachDem Nov 10, 2016 • 4:38:44pm

re: #363 gocart mozart

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The Lead CNN ✔ @TheLeadCNN
Are Trump businesses a potential conflict of interest?

Now he asks? Where ya been, Jakey? The rest of us have been asking that for 15 months—and asking to see his fucking tax returns as well. But you and your buddies were busy reading Podesta’s risotto recipe and wondering why Hillary didn’t smile more.

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Jebediah, RBG Nov 10, 2016 • 5:41:28pm

re: #374 BeachDem

No shit! Now they want to innocently look around and wonder what happened. Fuck them as much as possible.

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Hombre McBacon Nov 10, 2016 • 5:59:17pm

re: #299 Charles Johnson

As a person in the Autism spectrum (Asperger’s) I would never mock Chuck’s tics but still think he should just STFU.

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Chrysicat Nov 11, 2016 • 12:18:04am

re: #10 Mike Lamb

Either you tell me you forgot to put that in Wingnut font, or I downding your azz.

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Jay in Oregon Nov 11, 2016 • 9:02:03am

re: #16 lawhawk

Sorry Bernie bros. You don’t get to screw over the Democrats again. Bernie was according a privilege to run, and the Democrats got screwed because of it.

And Bernie supporters think they could just rule the roost without putting in any of the work and effort either and force their agenda onto lifelong Democrats. That wasn’t going to end well either.

It seems like the Bernie supporters were convinced Bernie would have won because Hillary supporters would be forced to vote for him—which is exactly the same reasoning they themselves rejected.

You don’t like how the Democrats run things, you either join up and get your hands dirty or go form your own party. There is no third choice if you want to be taken seriously.

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