North Korea Going Ahead with Missile Launch

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We’re on final approach to North Korea’s long range ballistic missile test; they’ve begun fueling the multi-stage rocket.

Don’t worry, though; Barack Obama plans to respond with a firm protest to the United Nations.

President Barack Obama told his South Korean counterpart, Lee Myung-Bak, at the Group of 20 nations summit in London today he won’t allow North Korea to drive a wedge between them, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. Obama praised Lee for exercising restraint in dealing with provocations from the North. Both leaders agreed to respond to the launch by registering a firm protest with the United Nations.

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339 comments
1 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:51:08am

I’ve got a bad feeling about this.

2 Wasta  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:51:26am

Maybe he could give them iPods and all would be ok?

//

3 Macker  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:51:34am

And I’ll bet Kim Jong Il will call Оба́ма a b***f*****g c**ks**ker too, just he did with Hans Brix!

4 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:51:50am

And Hillary sharpens her pen for…….a note of disappointment to the UN.

5 Ceemack  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:52:03am
Both leaders agreed to respond to the launch by registering a firm protest with the United Nations.


Yeah, that’ll stop ‘em.

6 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:52:18am

That’s great, he’s praising SK for sucking up to NK like we are. Jerk-wads the whole bunch of them. Oops, did I say that?

7 CIA Reject  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:52:26am

A firm protest with the UN, oh no- not the “Firmly Worded Letter”, oh PLEEZE ANYTHING BUT THE FIRMLY WORDED LETTER ! ! !

/Jackasses

8 phoenixgirl  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:52:28am

a firm protest….wonderful/

9 SalsaNChips  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:52:32am

“…and we will write you a letter — telling you how angry we are!”

10 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:53:13am
Both leaders agreed to respond to the launch by registering a firm protest with the United Nations.

Ball-less ass.

11 phoenixgirl  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:53:22am

i hope it blows up on the pad

12 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:53:30am

The Chinese are watching this with gleeful anticipation.

Barry is going to blink

13 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:54:05am

Hillary promised stiff repercussions.

She’ll air out her pantsuit in their general direction.

14 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:54:50am

This has got to make the Japanese very nervous.

15 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:54:53am

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Chinese are watching this with gleeful anticipation.

Barry is going to blink

He already has. We’re in for a wild ride for the next (hopefully only) 3+ years.

16 brent  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:54:55am

Firmly worded letter alert.

I hope that it’s written on EZ Widers, as I’m sure Kim will roll a big ole fatty with aforementioned letter to celebrate the launch.

17 J.D.  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:55:06am

I guess doing anything about this would require too compricated a pran.

18 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:55:16am

re: #13 JammieWearingFool

Hillary promised stiff repercussions.

She’ll air out her pantsuit in their general direction.

or worse, maybe take it off with the lights on…….

19 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:55:19am

re: #11 phoenixgirl

i hope it blows up on the pad

Me too. I certainly hope it doesn’t travel along its trajectory to Hawaii, with or without a warhead attached. That would be a huge line in the sand (or ocean) that they cross and I am absolutely certain that our President will take huge steps back.

20 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:55:19am

Why wouldn’t North Korea go ahead with their missile launch. What’s going to stop them? Threats from Japan that they might shoot it down? That the US will send a strongly worded letter to the UN, which will shrug its shoulders and say that they can’t do anything anyway?

The chattering classes act as though nothing can be done, and that North Korea is entitled to build nuclear weapons and the missiles to strike at targets thousands of miles away. That’s all done while the North Korean people live under the iron fist of a totalitarian dictatorship that provides nothing but pain and misery to those who can barely scrape by on subsistence and the goodwill of the US, which continues providing food shipments because North Korea can’t even produce enough food for its citizens to eat.

It’s all about priorities. Dictators care little for their citizens, and L’il Kim is no exception. Build nuclear weapons, missiles and tanks, and who cares how many die in the North Korean gulag archipelago for crossing the regime and its network of internal spies.

And now, he’s set to launch a missile capable of reaching Hawaii and crossing Japanese airspace.

21 JohnnyReb  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:55:20am

I hope there is not a warhead of any kind on that thing, let alone a nuke like one article was saying.

22 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:55:23am

the ‘firm protest of death’….the UN is a death machine

23 Desert Dog  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:55:38am

Obama should send Kim Jong Il an iPod with some of his speeches already loaded. That will make it all better.

24 solomonpanting  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:55:58am

It will either land in international waters or be blown out of the sky.

25 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:56:07am

re: #14 Honorary Yooper

This has got to make the Japanese very nervous.

And the Euros since if the launch is successful you can bet the tech will find it’s way to Iran in short order.

26 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:56:48am

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Chinese are watching this with gleeful anticipation.

Barry is going to blink

he’d have to open his eyes to do that.

none are so blind as those who refuse to see.

27 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:57:13am

re: #14 Honorary Yooper

This has got to make the Japanese very nervous.

If I were them, I’d be assembling those A-bombs they have unassembled right about now.

28 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:57:15am

Obama bows to Saudi King.

29 PaxAmericana  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:57:47am

Ah. The strongly worded letter.

30 VioletTiger  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:57:48am

I can’t believe we have such a wimp at the helm.

31 KenJen  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:58:17am

When I heard they were fueling this morning I had an image in my head of a little Kim Jong Il driving his rocket to the local gas station, pre-paying with his credit card and pumping gas into it.

32 That's Mr. President to you  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:58:26am

As I mentioned to Lee Myung-Bak this morning, when Kim Jong-Il “presses the button” he will have to unclench his fist in order to do it.

Smart Diplomacy ® works yet again

33 solomonpanting  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:58:29am

re: #28 pink freud

Obama bows to Saudi King.

Obama appears to be checking the king’s oil dipstick.

34 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:59:02am

From the article:

Also, reminiscent of all those times the US deployed fighter squadrons bristling with missiles to swarm around Cape Canaveral before peaceful Shuttle launches, North Korea has moved several MiG-23’s to the Musudan-ri launch area

South Korea is “monitoring.”

Pacific Fleet nowhere in sight.

35 Macker  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:59:38am

re: #28 pink freud

Obama bows to Saudi King.

Did GWB ever bow to this guy?

36 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 9:59:47am

President Wuss.

37 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:00:03am

better a bucket of room temperature drool collected from the WH press room than this letter.

at least you can rinse out the bucket and use it again.

38 turn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:00:15am

re: #20 lawhawk

Hey LH, are you opposed to the idea of shooting it down or blowing it up on the pad? I don’t want the Norkos to develop this technology but I don’t think that destroying that missile would be a very wise thing to do at this point.

39 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:00:17am

re: #35 Macker

Did GWB ever bow to this guy?

Kissed him.

40 albusteve  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:00:27am

sanction the Norks via the UN…smart move, more innocent people die and Americans will be partially responsible….the longer we stay in the UN the more blood we have on our hands….the UN is a death cult walking the streets of NYC in Brooks Bros suits…killers

41 phoenixgirl  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:00:44am

re: #35 Macker

Did GWB ever bow to this guy?

i think they held hands

42 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:00:45am

re: #35 Macker

0 is a pussy metrosexual. He is a disgrace to men everywhere.

That posture makes my skin crawl.

43 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:00:57am

And if America did the right thing, we’d shoot that baby out of the sky…

I know we won’t… We’ll issue a sternly worrded letter from our friends at the UN… And the Norks will just keep on doing what they do…

44 badger1970  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:00:58am

So who can we give the assists to? China, Bill Clinton, Hillery, Half-bright? Meanwhile I’ll duck and cover.

45 VioletTiger  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:00:58am

re: #27 Nevergiveup

If I were them, I’d be assembling those A-bombs they have unassembled right about now.


I have a feeling the Japanese will act on this.

46 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:00:58am

re: #35 Macker

Did GWB ever bow to this guy?

Danced with him.

47 Desert Dog  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:01:27am

re: #30 VioletTiger

I can’t believe we have such a wimp at the helm.

He cares more about being liked than being respected. When that is your only motivation, you concede the advantage to your enemies.

Obama thinks everyone is rational and reasonable, and if they just listen to his position, they will suddenly see the light and all will be well. That is the fatal flaw of appeasers. That video he sent to Iran had the exact opposite effect he wanted. And, the Norks know they have nothing to fear from Obama, he is weak.

48 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:01:46am

re: #38 turn

Hey LH, are you opposed to the idea of shooting it down or blowing it up on the pad? I don’t want the Norkos to develop this technology but I don’t think that destroying that missile would be a very wise thing to do at this point.

one B2 from Guam, with 1 SDB late at night and presto: a NORK w*rk accident.

then all we do is say “i don no nuttin…”

49 turn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:01:48am

re: #24 solomonpanting

It will either land in international waters or be blown out of the sky.

I’m hoping there is a fairly good chance it blows up on the pad.

50 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:02:17am

re: #11 phoenixgirl

i hope it blows up on the pad

I hope it goes off course and crashes into wherever Kim Jong Il happens to be at the time.

51 kynna  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:02:17am

Sadly, the Obama Way is failing and will not be adjusted, even if thousands die. Leftists don’t typically change their minds and rarely admit they were wrong about anything — which is why, BTW, Roger L. Simon is one of my all time heroes. :D

52 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:03:09am

re: #42 pink freud

0 is a pussy metrosexual. He is a disgrace to men everywhere.

That posture makes my skin crawl.

edited for brevity. %-)

53 pat  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:03:13am

These people are clueless. My much earlier thought, with the Churchill bust, asking why the administration did not go to the protocol office for disposition turn out to be correct: they did not know it existed (via hot air). How dumb is that?

54 solomonpanting  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:03:16am

re: #49 turn

I’m hoping there is a fairly good chance it blows up on the pad.

Unfortunately, I believe the level of expertise has progressed past that phase.
;(

55 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:03:17am

re: #45 VioletTiger

I have a feeling the Japanese will act on this.

That has always been one of the dangers of N.Korea gong nuclear. What will her neighbors do. The same in the Middle East when Iran goes Nuclear. It’s Arab Brothers aren’t going to just sit there. But the Dems and peacenichs don’t get it.

56 KenJen  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:03:38am

re: #46 Russkilitlover

Thank goodness for your avatar. When I’m in a crummy mood I enlarge it and smile. Sappy huh?

57 BignJames  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:03:51am

Hillary should pimp Madelein Albright to Kim.

58 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:03:53am

re: #38 turn

Hey LH, are you opposed to the idea of shooting it down or blowing it up on the pad? I don’t want the Norkos to develop this technology but I don’t think that destroying that missile would be a very wise thing to do at this point.

I’d rather we shot it down after launch and after crossing Japanese airspace. Not sure of our capability for that, though.

Letting it just happen and sending a note to the UN, I believe, would be the worst thing we could do.

I still think that this will end with NK getting a nice influx of cash from the US.

59 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:03:59am

And this isn’t even the international test that Slow Joe Biden predicted. This is just the first batter up in the first inning. It will illustrate clearly, however, the utter fecklessness of this president, I fear. Much more to come.

60 Emerald  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:04:08am

Oh, a firm protest! As long as he’s taking it seriously.

// definitely being sarcastic

61 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:04:22am

My concern is that the missile does not work, goes off course and potentially might impact a population area…

What if it goes off course and approaches Seoul? Tokyo? Do you think the Norks would blow it up?

62 turn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:04:28am

re: #48 redc1c4

one B2 from Guam, with 1 SDB late at night and presto: a NORK w*rk accident.

then all we do is say “i don no nuttin…”

I thought they would just use a cruise missile. What’s a SDB?

63 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:04:32am

This whole thing is Bush’s fault. ////

Good Afternoon Lizards!

64 Desert Dog  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:04:50am

re: #55 Nevergiveup

That has always been one of the dangers of N.Korea gong nuclear. What will her neighbors do. The same in the Middle East when Iran goes Nuclear. It’s Arab Brothers aren’t going to just sit there. But the Dems and peacenichs don’t get it.

Japan will have to rearm and go nuclear to counter the Norks. Once Iran gets the bomb, Saudi will have to follow suit as well. It’s a shit-snowball and it’s already rolling…

65 JohnnyReb  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:05:00am

re: #54 solomonpanting

Unfortunately, I believe the level of expertise has progressed past that phase.
;(

I agree. I also think the NK’s do in fact have a few nukes, and that those nukes will actually work. That fizzle test they had was all for show to make people think they could not do it.

66 ilzito guacamolito  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:05:01am

re: #56 KenJen

Thank goodness for your avatar. When I’m in a crummy mood I enlarge it and smile. Sappy huh?

No! I love it too. It looks like my little man when he was a baby.

67 American Soldier  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:05:13am

re: #19 Russkilitlover

Me too. I certainly hope it doesn’t travel along its trajectory to Hawaii, with or without a warhead attached. That would be a huge line in the sand (or ocean) that they cross and I am absolutely certain that our President will take huge steps back.

ROFLMAOPMP
/you did forget the /sarc tag, yes?

68 turn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:05:16am

re: #54 solomonpanting

Sadly, me too.

69 zombie  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:05:21am

The Korean War is not over. Remember that in 1953, all that was agreed to was a temporary ceasefire. Neither side surrendered, neither side won. Technically, the country is still at war.

Because of this, I propose:

North Korea is one of those illusory police states that seem fearsome, but which would crumple at the slightest touch. The best comparable example was the Iraq government and military in 1990 and then again in 2003; they were touted as the most powerful military in the Middle East, and a brutal police state, but when they ran into some real soldiers (i.e. American soldiers), they collapsed in a matter of days like a house of cards.

If we (i.e. the US and South Korea) just crashed in to North Korea and seized Pyongyang in 18 hours (which is all it would take), the North Korean government and army would disintegrate in a flash. Yes, war is horrible, invasions are bad, yadda yadda yadda, but what’s worse in condemning tens of millions of people to live in Hell for their entire lives.

What don’t we liberate North Korea. I suspect there would be tears of joys all over North Korea if we did.

70 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:05:47am

The Norks are threatening more than a strongly worded letter if anyone intercepts the missile:

“If Japan imprudently carries out an act of intercepting our peaceful satellite ballistic missile, our people’s army will hand a thunderbolt of fire to not only interceptor means already deployed, but also key targets,” said a report Thursday by the North’s official Korean Central News Agency that quoted the general staff of its military.


(My edit)

71 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:05:47am

re: #64 Desert Dog

Japan will have to rearm and go nuclear to counter the Norks. Once Iran gets the bomb, Saudi will have to follow suit as well. It’s a shit-snowball and it’s already rolling…

Exactly

72 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:06:04am

I wonder if AQ Khan will be there to watch the test…

73 Erik The Red  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:06:06am

Since when has a strongly worded letter ever worked with the toothless UN?

Does 44 think that since he has ascended to the most powerful position in the world that this will miraculously change?

74 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:06:10am

re: #62 turn

I thought they would just use a cruise missile. What’s a SDB?

Small Diameter Bomb……. cruise missiles they can see coming, which gives them a chance to shoot them down, and removes deniability,

75 newmelleman  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:06:11am

re: #58 Russkilitlover

I still think that this will end with NK getting a nice influx of cash from the US.

Thats a given.

76 Russkilitlover  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:06:15am

re: #56 KenJen

Thank goodness for your avatar. When I’m in a crummy mood I enlarge it and smile. Sappy huh?

That’s why he’s also my screen saver. Glad you like it!

77 realwest  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:06:25am

re: #33 solomonpanting
Ah, actually it looks as if Obama is kissing the King’s ring.
I don’t know why, since with all the money he wants to fund “alternative -1 energy sources”* we won’t be needing any Saudi Oil would we?
.
.
.
.
*alternative -1 energy sources means no nuclear power plants; the ONLY form of alternative energy that has been proven to work.

78 KenJen  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:06:30am

re: #61 tfc3rid

My concern is that the missile does not work, goes off course and potentially might impact a population area…

What if it goes off course and approaches Seoul? Tokyo? Do you think the Norks would blow it up?

Maybe it will be like a Roadrunner cartoon. North Korea is Wiley Coyote.

79 BRUTUS  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:06:40am

re: #28 pink freud

Wow! Charles has to pick this up and run with it!

80 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:06:43am

re: #55 Nevergiveup

That has always been one of the dangers of N.Korea gong nuclear. What will her neighbors do. The same in the Middle East when Iran goes Nuclear. It’s Arab Brothers aren’t going to just sit there. But the Dems and peacenichs don’t get it.

Interesting how the Arabs aren’t nervous about the Israeli nukes, but they are about Iran getting them. They know who they can trust.

81 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:06:59am

re: #69 zombie

I agree… I think it would be a terrific humanitarian story…

however, there is a factor of Red China…

82 turn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:07:03am

re: #58 Russkilitlover

I’d rather we shot it down after launch and after crossing Japanese airspace. Not sure of our capability for that, though.

Letting it just happen and sending a note to the UN, I believe, would be the worst thing we could do.

I still think that this will end with NK getting a nice influx of cash from the US.

I worry they might really make good on their promise to invade the south, all hell would break loose.

83 pat  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:07:09am

re: #61 tfc3rid

My concern is that the missile does not work, goes off course and potentially might impact a population area…

What if it goes off course and approaches Seoul? Tokyo? Do you think the Norks would blow it up?

Have the Norks shown the ability to radio a blowup? I am not aware of such.

84 zombie  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:07:21am

re: #28 pink freud

Obama bows to Saudi King.

And we thought Bush was bad with his sword dance and hand-holding. At least he never bowed like a servant to the Saudis.

The Left mocked Bush incessantly for his friendship with the Saudis. And now look what they’ve voted in: someone who isn’t even a friend of the Saudis, but their inferior.

Change!

85 VegasRick  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:07:26am

“We’re on final approach to North Korea’s long range ballistic missile test”

What could go wong!

86 Buck  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:07:30am

“firm protest with the United Nations” is an oxymoron.

87 Macker  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:07:39am

OK JMSDF…time to earn your pay!

Youtube Video

And for those who want to know what this says, I went to my Go To Guy for linguistics, Amritas:

Maritime Self-Defense Force!
Strongest on the seas!
A steel castle!
Escort ship!
Hunter of the heavens
With eyes that can see for a thousand miles
Patrol plane!
A dolphin that hears all
Submarine!
International service?
Leave it to us!
Air cushion craft!
Helpers of the seas
Rescue lark!
Defending Japan night and day
Its duties never end
Go! Maritime Self-Defense Force

88 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:07:59am

re: #83 pat

Have the Norks shown the ability to radio a blowup? I am not aware of such.

Exactly…

Any launch is too dangerous of a launch…

89 turn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:08:16am

re: #63 Ford_Prefect

Clinton
no sarc

90 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:08:31am

A firm protest?

I guess that’s better than the flaccid protest I was expecting.

91 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:08:37am

re: #86 Buck

“firm protest response with from the United Nations” is an oxymoron.

*

*Could also read.

92 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:08:41am

re: #38 turn

Hey LH, are you opposed to the idea of shooting it down or blowing it up on the pad? I don’t want the Norkos to develop this technology but I don’t think that destroying that missile would be a very wise thing to do at this point.

I think that the US strategy of not doing anything unless it actually threatens the Hawaiian islands or other US bases directly is a sound strategy. We want to collect as much data as possible about the missile and the tech the North incorporated into the missile. Shooting it down or blowing it up on the pad creates an international incident that we know wont go the way of the US and we lose the tech info that we would need. We also don’t want to give away all the details of our own anti-missile systems to keep those looking on guessing as well. As long as the missile doesn’t head towards Hawaii, I believe the US is just going to lodge a protest and let that be it.

All bets are off if that missile makes a bee-line to Hawaii or Alaska or somehow misfires and heads towards Japan. Then, I think we’d see the US or Japanese shoot it down if the North Koreans don’t destroy it with self-destruct first.

93 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:09:18am

re: #69 zombie

The Korean War is not over. Remember that in 1953, all that was agreed to was a temporary ceasefire. Neither side surrendered, neither side won. Technically, the country is still at war.

Because of this, I propose:

North Korea is one of those illusory police states that seem fearsome, but which would crumple at the slightest touch. The best comparable example was the Iraq government and military in 1990 and then again in 2003; they were touted as the most powerful military in the Middle East, and a brutal police state, but when they ran into some real soldiers (i.e. American soldiers), they collapsed in a matter of days like a house of cards.

If we (i.e. the US and South Korea) just crashed in to North Korea and seized Pyongyang in 18 hours (which is all it would take), the North Korean government and army would disintegrate in a flash. Yes, war is horrible, invasions are bad, yadda yadda yadda, but what’s worse in condemning tens of millions of people to live in Hell for their entire lives.

What don’t we liberate North Korea. I suspect there would be tears of joys all over North Korea if we did.

All we’d have to do is have teams of crack chefs grilling steaks and the army would surrender. They might be fed, but not to Western standards.
OK, maybe Korean food, but you get the idea.

94 Lee Coller  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:09:34am

re: #59 Pullus Iulius

And this isn’t even the international test that Slow Joe Biden predicted. This is just the first batter up in the first inning. It will illustrate clearly, however, the utter fecklessness of this president, I fear. Much more to come.

This could escalate significantly if the North Koreans really wanted to test Obama. Japan has threatened to shoot this missile down, NK has threatened to attach Japan should they do that. I don’t know the defensive capabilities of Japan, I do know their offensive abilities are severely limited by their constitution. This could indeed be a significant test for Obama when he finds a third front opened in the “Overseas Contingency Operation.”

Remember, this is only a test.

95 realwest  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:09:36am

re: #69 zombie
Hi zombie - spot on analysis, only problem is when that little “police action” occurred in the early ‘50’s and we (UN forces but mostly US) kicked the NORKS up to the Yalu, Communist China sent something like 500,000 troops in to help the NORKS out because they didn’t want anything like a free society on their very border.
Do you think things have changed sufficiently that Communist China wouldn’t intervene this time?

96 slterry40  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:10:01am

I think Obama is quickly finding out that international dictators aren’t as easily duped as the American electorate.

97 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:10:14am

Strongly-worded letter!

/gaaaaaaah

98 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:10:14am
99 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:10:21am

re: #87 Macker

Where’s Ultraman when we truly need him?

100 Lee Coller  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:10:35am

re: #96 slterry40

I think Obama is quickly finding out that international dictators aren’t as easily duped as the American electorate.

Or the American President.

101 Buck  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:10:57am

re: #35 Macker

Did GWB ever bow to this guy?

GWB did worse…. I somehow remember a kiss.

Most Lizards are “uncomfortable” with the Saudi Royal’s relationship with the Bush’s.

102 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:11:01am

re: #97 Fat Jolly Penguin

Strongly-worded letter!

/gaaaaaaah

Think he’ll read it before it’s sent ?

103 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:11:02am

Small Diameter Bomb

104 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:11:23am

re: #69 zombie

The big catch to that is the fact that Seoul is within artillery range of the North Koreans just on their side of the DMZ. The South and the US can’t put it past the North to fire on Seoul just to cause mayhem and carnage. It’s a viable threat, and it’s one that has been the main reason no one has decided to end L’il Kim’s regime. The South doesn’t want to test that either - and I don’t blame them. Staring down the barrel of thousands of artillery pieces isn’t a comfortable place to be, which is why the North is akin to an extortionist. Everything they do is to extort something from their neighbors or the US.

105 Macker  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:11:26am

re: #101 Buck

GWB did worse…. I somehow remember a kiss.

Most Lizards are “uncomfortable” with the Saudi Royal’s relationship with the Bush’s.

As am I.

106 pat  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:11:27am

We don’t have any anti-missile ships (there are only 2 that I know of) in vicinity. But the Japanese have been practicing off Hawaii for a couple of years now, and are at about the 50 % level of mission goal.

107 Eowyn2  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:11:46am

If you believe in prayer, please say a quick prayer for our men and women on the 38th parallel.

If you are one of our non-believers, please wish them the best anyway.

108 JohnnyReb  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:11:59am

re: #95 realwest

Hi zombie - spot on analysis, only problem is when that little “police action” occurred in the early ‘50’s and we (UN forces but mostly US) kicked the NORKS up to the Yalu, Communist China sent something like 500,000 troops in to help the NORKS out because they didn’t want anything like a free society on their very border.
Do you think things have changed sufficiently that Communist China wouldn’t intervene this time?

China is about fed up with North Korea. They have pretty much been the only thing keeping the 19 million people there from all starving to death. The ship in train loads of food and oil every day. The only reason they do that is they don’t want those 19 million people coming into China as illegals.

109 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:12:07am

re: #102 SasquatchOnSteroids

Think he’ll read it before it’s sent ?

And will it be addressed to the current president of the UN or the former.

110 itellu3times  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:12:19am

re: #90 Kenneth

A firm protest?

I guess that’s better than the flaccid protest I was expecting.

A pink and purple protest, turgid and intense.

/enuf of that

111 VioletTiger  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:12:30am

re: #70 Kosh’s Shadow

The Norks are threatening more than a strongly worded letter if anyone intercepts the missile:


(My edit)

IMO, they can’t retaliate, they are just testing the waters to see who will call their bluff. Obambi won’t, but maybe our Japanese friends will.

112 Desert Dog  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:12:42am

re: #69 zombie

The Korean War is not over. Remember that in 1953, all that was agreed to was a temporary ceasefire. Neither side surrendered, neither side won. Technically, the country is still at war.

Because of this, I propose:

North Korea is one of those illusory police states that seem fearsome, but which would crumple at the slightest touch. The best comparable example was the Iraq government and military in 1990 and then again in 2003; they were touted as the most powerful military in the Middle East, and a brutal police state, but when they ran into some real soldiers (i.e. American soldiers), they collapsed in a matter of days like a house of cards.

If we (i.e. the US and South Korea) just crashed in to North Korea and seized Pyongyang in 18 hours (which is all it would take), the North Korean government and army would disintegrate in a flash. Yes, war is horrible, invasions are bad, yadda yadda yadda, but what’s worse in condemning tens of millions of people to live in Hell for their entire lives.

What don’t we liberate North Korea. I suspect there would be tears of joys all over North Korea if we did.

Seoul would be destroyed. NK is weak and not as strong as they project themselves to be. And, South Korea and the US could roll over NK in short order. BUT, we know they have thousands of artillery pieces trained on Seoul and not all them could be taken out. Hundreds of thousands of people would die in that conflict. The entire population of NK has been brainwashed to hate the USA and the South…..it would be very, very ugly.

I think we have to wait for Kim Jung Il to die and then try to “persuade” what is left of the leadership to drop those “clenched-fists”.

113 turn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:13:02am

re: #92 lawhawk

Thanks for that

114 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:13:03am

From Team America: World Police, [Link: en.wikiquote.org…]

Hans Blix: Let me look around, so I can ease the U.N.’s collective mind.
Kim Jong Il: Hans, ya-breakin’ my balls here. Hans, ya breakin’ my balls!
Hans Blix: I’m sorry, but the U.N. must be firm with you. Let me see your whole palace, or else.
Kim Jong Il: Or erse what?
Hans Blix: Or else - we will be very, very angry with you… and we will write you a letter, telling you how angry we are.

115 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:13:06am

From Instapundit….
Extreme Sheep LED Art

Youtube Video
116 newmelleman  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:13:07am

re: #110 itellu3times

A pink and purple protest, turgid and intense.

/enuf of that

spitting mad?

117 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:13:17am
118 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:13:36am

re: #109 Ford_Prefect

And will it be addressed to the current president of the UN or the former.

It’s all a coin flip with him, with us in the middle.

119 Macker  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:13:37am

re: #112 Desert Dog

As long as those Clenched Fists don’t turn Muslim.

120 VegasRick  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:13:39am

.

121 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:14:44am

re: #92 lawhawk

I think that the US strategy of not doing anything unless it actually threatens the Hawaiian islands or other US bases directly is a sound strategy. We want to collect as much data as possible about the missile and the tech the North incorporated into the missile. Shooting it down or blowing it up on the pad creates an international incident that we know wont go the way of the US and we lose the tech info that we would need. We also don’t want to give away all the details of our own anti-missile systems to keep those looking on guessing as well. As long as the missile doesn’t head towards Hawaii, I believe the US is just going to lodge a protest and let that be it.

All bets are off if that missile makes a bee-line to Hawaii or Alaska or somehow misfires and heads towards Japan. Then, I think we’d see the US or Japanese shoot it down if the North Koreans don’t destroy it with self-destruct first.


better that it mysteriously blew up late one night in a w*rk accident. what’s the point of having stealth if we don’t use it?

122 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:15:04am

re: #120 VegasRick

.

You can say that again!

123 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:15:16am

re: #69 zombie

Slight difference. Iraq is surrounded by desert, no real population source in range that could not be intercepted via air or ground forces.

Any move against North Korea and Seoul is gone. They have enough convential artillery, rockets and mortars along the DMZ, as well as the concentration north of Seoul to effectively wipe the city off the map before any sort of response could be considered and the only real way to destroy them all quickly would be thru a nuclear weapon, which would also effect Seoul anyways.

124 VioletTiger  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:15:26am

re: #120 VegasRick

.

A pointed remark.

125 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:15:26am

re: #102 SasquatchOnSteroids

Think he’ll read it before it’s sent ?

If it’s anything like his diplomatic gifts, probably not.

126 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:15:27am
President Barack Obama told his South Korean counterpart, Lee Myung-Bak, at the Group of 20 nations summit in London today he won’t allow North Korea to drive a wedge between them…

Oh gee whiz! Does NK want to drive a WEDGE?!
Is THAT all?!
Well, clueless me!
Heck, we’ve got nothing to worry about after all!
I thought it was the entire NK Army!

/ … (jic)

127 redc1c4  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:15:28am

re: #120 VegasRick

.

is that one of Ear Leaders balls under a microscope?

128 Eowyn2  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:15:33am

re: #84 zombie

And we thought Bush was bad with his sword dance and hand-holding. At least he never bowed like a servant to the Saudis.

The Left mocked Bush incessantly for his friendship with the Saudis. And now look what they’ve voted in: someone who isn’t even a friend of the Saudis, but their inferior.

Change!

hey, a little respect here, he needs to humble himself just in case old Soros is too financially constrained to finance his 2012 bid. Its nothing personal.

/

129 The Other Les  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:16:41am

re: #14 Honorary Yooper

This has got to make the Japanese very nervous.

I originally wrote the following about the possible consequences of Hillary being elected President. Of course I was assuming that Hillary would be Beijing’s Bitch. Whereas The Big Zero is merely incompetent:

Imagine for a moment that Hillary Rodham Clinton, someone who could be reasonably expected to be Beijing’s bitch, were elected in 2008.

Would it be safe to assume that any democratic nation on the Pacific Rim would remain safe under a nuclear umbrella controlled by an American President whose party is known to have taken money from the masters of Communist China?

No. Of course not.

If Hillary, or any other Donk, wins the White House in 2008 we can be certain that there will very shortly be new members of the Nuclear Club.

Say hello to a nuclear armed Japan.

Say hello to a nuclear armed South Korea.

Say hello to a nuclear armed Taiwan.

Say hello to a nuclear armed Australia.

Who knows, perhaps the folks governing New Zealand may even pull their collective heads out of their collective asses on matters of national defense.

And all this will happen because all of these nations will have no other choice.

130 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:16:48am
131 quickjustice  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:17:03am

re: #114 quickjustice

In other words, for its foreign policy, the Obama Administration (Hillary) is imitating the U.N. Hans Blix puppet in a Trey Parker movie!

132 solomonpanting  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:17:07am

Commanders: US ready for any North Korean missile

I remember this from last week.

133 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:17:23am

re: #110 itellu3times

A pink and purple protest, turgid and intense.

/enuf of that

Obama’s foreign policy posture is suffering from ED.

134 turn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:17:37am

re: #103 redc1c4

Is a 60 mile standoff range adequate? We would have to be in their airspace to do it, at any rate they would know it was us either way.

135 Strike Hornet  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:17:54am

Hey, don’t underestimate this…Barry is a Lawyer/Law Professor and Lawyers can write very mean and nasty letters when motivated…
Kim Jong-Il has no idea of the hurt that is coming his way…Obama and the UN are very good letter writers!
/asshats

136 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:17:57am

Oh goody!
We can take it out with one of thoughs pesky
“unprovin weapons thingies” the “O” wants to scrap!

137 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:18:05am

OT for a laugh or two.

Enough

Duck!

138 Curt  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:18:17am

re: #106 pat

We don’t have any anti-missile ships (there are only 2 that I know of) in vicinity. But the Japanese have been practicing off Hawaii for a couple of years now, and are at about the 50 % level of mission goal.


I believe I read that the USS McCAIN is on station out that way…and BMD capable.

Wouldn’t that be ironic…if the shot has to be shot….

139 formercorpsman  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:19:03am

re: #28 pink freud

I know things can be blown out of proportion. Certainly, camera shots can portray images that have nothing to do with the reality of situations. I would not know for sure, but it would not surprise me to learn if this is protocol, and previous presidents might have done it.

Parsing this however, with the fact that we surely diverted from the norm with the Queen, and if this is a genuflection with the King, I really want to see some video.

Under those circumstances, if true, is very interesting.

140 itellu3times  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:19:11am

re: #133 Kenneth

Obama’s foreign policy posture is suffering from ED.

I think he took too many of those hope and change pills and after about four hours suffered some permanent damage.

141 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:19:42am

re: #129 The Other Les

Say hello to a nuclear armed Taiwan.

Say hello to the Chinese invading Taiwan before they let that happen. This is yet another consequence of Obama’s stupid foreign policy.

142 Buck  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:19:57am

re: #69 zombie

We are not the only ones who have learned from the Iraq war. Troops melting into the civilian population and attacking with UIDs and behind civilian shields is now taught in military academies….

No thank you.

I propose this is China’s problem. They don’t want disruption in economies, especially the USA, Japan and South Korea. Let them know they are in the lead on this…. They want to be a world power…. let them…

Kim Jong-il does not fear the USA, but he does fear China.

143 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:19:58am

re: #94 Lee Coller

This could escalate significantly if the North Koreans really wanted to test Obama. Japan has threatened to shoot this missile down, NK has threatened to attach Japan should they do that. I don’t know the defensive capabilities of Japan, I do know their offensive abilities are severely limited by their constitution. This could indeed be a significant test for Obama when he finds a third front opened in the “Overseas Contingency Operation.”

Remember, this is only a test.

If it had been an actual emergency, you would have found 0bama curled up in the fetal position under his desk.

144 Strike Hornet  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:20:01am

re: #18 redc1c4

or worse, maybe take it off with the lights on…….

Ummmm…no, that is going to far…WE DON’T TORTURE!

145 Curt  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:21:10am

re: #139 formercorpsman

I know things can be blown out of proportion. Certainly, camera shots can portray images that have nothing to do with the reality of situations. I would not know for sure, but it would not surprise me to learn if this is protocol, and previous presidents might have done it.

Parsing this however, with the fact that we surely diverted from the norm with the Queen, and if this is a genuflection with the King, I really want to see some video.

Under those circumstances, if true, is very interesting.

And Photoshop, in the hands of Green Helmet Guy changes the entire world’s (or at least the MSMS’s) opinion….

146 nyc redneck  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:21:14am

o is a very cowardly man when it comes to confronting real danger.
it is easier for him to backdown and not do his job.
it is so obvious that he is not strong and true and brave.
but just a a buffoon, pretending and flailing in his weakness.

147 The Other Les  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:21:28am

re: #69 zombie

Unfortunately the “One” is the one president who won’t do it.

What a Zero.

148 MikeAlv77  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:21:53am

Wonder if I could try that with a mugger..

” Don’t come near me or I will be forced to use my strongly worded letter!”

149 RightMinded  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:22:13am

Anyone else having flashes of Biden’s prediction of Obama’s international “test” once in office? Question is, is the test Obama’s response now before the launch or how Obama responds after this thing is off the launch pad?

150 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:23:37am

re: #149 RightMinded

Anyone else having flashes of Biden’s prediction of Obama’s international “test” once in office?

These are just the pop quizzes. The final exam (Iran) is still coming.

151 The Other Les  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:23:39am

re: #86 Buck

“firm protest with the United Nations” is an oxymoron.

What a bunch of limp…oops…can’t say that.

152 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:24:10am

re: #149 RightMinded
The irony of that……
Something Biden said coming to pass…..Hummmm!

153 Strike Hornet  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:24:37am

re: #31 KenJen

When I heard they were fueling this morning I had an image in my head of a little Kim Jong Il driving his rocket to the local gas station, pre-paying with his credit card and pumping gas into it.

I believe he “filled up” in South Korea…it’s cheaper…

154 realwest  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:24:45am

re: #132 solomonpanting
Hi solomonpanting! I remembered that as well. And I have to say that, other than having that Nork missile hit Hawaii or Japan, the worst thing that could happen would be if Japan and/or the US tries to shoot that missile down…………….and fails.

155 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:24:46am

re: #151 The Other Les

Dicks?
What? We say boob!

156 itellu3times  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:25:14am

re: #134 turn

Is a 60 mile standoff range adequate? We would have to be in their airspace to do it, at any rate they would know it was us either way.

60 miles standoff range … sounds unlikely to me. But anyway, adequate for what? If we just clear 60 miles from the border, that would be a good start!

I like the idea of the loitering bomblets, bigger wings, small engine, smart electronics, … autonomous weapons will revolutionize warfare over the next twenty years or so.

157 The Other Les  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:25:45am

re: #93 Kosh’s Shadow

All we’d have to do is have teams of crack chefs grilling steaks and the army would surrender. They might be fed, but not to Western standards.
OK, maybe Korean food, but you get the idea.

How about a couple of planeloads of White Castle burgers?

158 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:25:46am

re: #65 JohnnyReb

I agree. I also think the NK’s do in fact have a few nukes, and that those nukes will actually work. That fizzle test they had was all for show to make people think they could not do it.

I expect you’re correct about the NORK’s having several working, deliverable nuclear weapons, but I think it would be a mistake to assume that their test was a fizzle. There are too many other things it could have been, perhaps the first stage of a fission-fusion-fission weapon, or an attempt to see just how little plutonium they could get away with using in a tactical nuke.

Assume it worked and act accordingly, but dangerous to assume a fizzle and act on that assumption.

159 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:25:55am

re: #154 realwest

Hi solomonpanting! I remembered that as well. And I have to say that, other than having that Nork missile hit Hawaii or Japan, the worst thing that could happen would be if Japan and/or the US tries to shoot that missile down…………….and fails.

If we hit it on the pad—no way we would fail.

160 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:26:06am

re: #152 reloadingisnotahobby

The irony of that……
Something Biden said coming to pass…..Hummmm!

Makes Biden look like Nostradamus…

161 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:26:37am

re: #154 realwest

That’s why the US should take out the missile on the launch pad. NoKo doesn’t get to test anything and the US doesn’t have to make a public demonstration of their missile defense technology.

162 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:27:40am

But North Korea is just a tiny country….

-Gerlymon

163 VioletTiger  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:27:59am

re: #152 reloadingisnotahobby

The irony of that……
Something Biden said coming to pass…..Hummmm!

Well, any one of us could guess that there would be an international crisis or two or three and Obambi would fail the test. The fact that Biden said it should have made sane people everywhere sit up and think. Sadly, it really didn’t get much airtime in the media.

164 realwest  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:28:10am

re: #141 Kenneth Uh, well I agree with you - with Obama as POTUS, but if we had a POTUS who would “lease” a boomer to the Taiwan government things could get VERY dicey for China.

165 turn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:28:16am

re: #156 itellu3times

60 miles standoff range … sounds unlikely to me. But anyway, adequate for what? If we just clear 60 miles from the border, that would be a good start!

I like the idea of the loitering bomblets, bigger wings, small engine, smart electronics, … autonomous weapons will revolutionize warfare over the next twenty years or so.

To take out the missile from outside their airspace. I like those ideas too, problem is O doesn’t.

166 subsailor68  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:28:22am

Morning all. A bit OT, but thank heavens someone is carrying this story:

The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S.

Probably won’t put a dent in the anti-gun lobby of this country, but anything that makes their job harder just tickles me to death.

167 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:28:59am

re: #162 SasquatchOnSteroids

But North Korea is just a tiny country….

-Gerlymon

Is North Kora smaller than Oregon too? Just like England?

Stealing from the Obama Press Kits…

168 SFGoth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:29:07am

Might as well start calling it the League of Nations. The U.N. is as effective as the LoN was at dealing with Abyssinia.

169 Earick  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:29:10am

re: #123 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

“only real way to destroy them all quickly would be thru a nuclear weapon,”

I disagree! I spent several years in that theater of operation.
We have enough conventional weaponry to remove any threat the NK might try to bring against us.
In one night we could reduce the effectiveness of the NK forces to not much more than a whole lot of foot soldiers sans any military or (more important) food supplies.

Nucs are sooo over rated! What we can do conventionally is just amazing!

170 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:29:11am

Ofer Gamliel, the jailed father of Yair Gamliel, who was wounded in the Bat Ayin terror attack, on Thursday refused to visit his son in the hospital accompanied by prison guards.

The Prison Service on Thursday said it would allow Gamliel to visit his son with wardens chaperoning him and without handcuffs. Gamliel ? who was sentenced seven years ago for participating in a plot to attack a Palestinian girls’ school ? demanded to be released temporarily in order to visit his son

[Link: www.haaretz.com…]

This guy is tad crazy also.

171 solomonpanting  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:29:18am

re: #154 realwest

Hi solomonpanting! I remembered that as well. And I have to say that, other than having that Nork missile hit Hawaii or Japan, the worst thing that could happen would be if Japan and/or the US tries to shoot that missile down…………….and fails.

G’day. Yes, that would be alarming, but have a bit of faith in US/Japanese tech savvy.

172 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:29:23am

re: #138 Curt

I believe I read that the USS McCAIN is on station out that way…and BMD capable.

Wouldn’t that be ironic…if the shot has to be shot….

Utterly OT trivia:
An earlier USS John S McCain, 50’s vintage destroyer leader. Sleek lines. IIRC, the last class of warships built by the Navy which had significant conventional firepower.

173 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:30:04am
174 formercorpsman  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:30:06am

re: #69 zombie

I think you are spot on. They don’t feed themselves. They survive a 3rd world existence.

Going with your premise, I think if we would just start dropping McDonald’s dollar meal double cheeseburgers, with little propaganda notes, you very well could be right.

175 RightMinded  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:30:37am

re: #150 Kenneth

Well, the way Obama has acted so far is only going to give Iran more confidence. That “test” is going to be a doozy.

176 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:31:10am

The NK launch is not a test for Obama.
He is not even present.

177 turn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:31:11am

re: #169 Earick

Earick, is that weaponry in South Korea or would we need to build it up?

178 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:31:39am

re: #169 Earick

“only real way to destroy them all quickly would be thru a nuclear weapon,”

I disagree! I spent several years in that theater of operation.
We have enough conventional weaponry to remove any threat the NK might try to bring against us.
In one night we could reduce the effectiveness of the NK forces to not much more than a whole lot of foot soldiers sans any military or (more important) food supplies.

Nucs are sooo over rated! What we can do conventionally is just amazing!

How much of Seoul still existed afterwards in that scenario?

179 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:31:40am

The army has “a lead” in the search for the perpetrator of the deadly terror attack in Bat Ayin in which 13-year-old Shlomo Nativ was murdered and another boy, 7, was wounded, an IDF officer said Thursday.


Axe-wielding terrorist murders 13-year-old boy in Bat Ayin
“We will do the utmost in order to find him and put him where he belongs,” Lt.-Col. Guy Oshrey, the deputy commander of the Etzion Brigade

[Link: www.jpost.com…]

Well I know where he belongs.

180 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:32:36am

re: #178 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How much of Seoul still existed afterwards in that scenario?

Just stock up on your LG supplies in preparation.

181 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:32:36am

re: #166 subsailor68
But Hillary said…………..SO!
And apologized
!
/

182 realwest  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:32:38am

re: #159 Nevergiveup Well I’m not defending Nork, y’all understand, if we were to hit that missile on it’s launch pad with bombers or cruise missiles, anything like that, then Nork would be able to say that the US committed an act of war against North Korea and - aside from sending their own strongly worded letter to the UN - be somewhat justified in using some or all of that massed artillery they have which can reach Seoul and the US Bases around Seoul.
That’s a pretty dicey situation but I’m not worried about it because Obama will never hit that missile unless it’s clearly headed towards Hawaii and even then……………..who knows?

183 yma o hyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:32:51am

re: #179 Nevergiveup

The army has “a lead” in the search for the perpetrator of the deadly terror attack in Bat Ayin in which 13-year-old Shlomo Nativ was murdered and another boy, 7, was wounded, an IDF officer said Thursday.

Axe-wielding terrorist murders 13-year-old boy in Bat Ayin
“We will do the utmost in order to find him and put him where he belongs,” Lt.-Col. Guy Oshrey, the deputy commander of the Etzion Brigade

[Link: www.jpost.com…]

Well I know where he belongs.

So do we!

184 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:33:33am

re: #160 tfc3rid

Makes Biden look like Nostradamus Nostradumbass…

FTFY.

185 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:33:34am
186 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:33:57am
187 realwest  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:34:04am

re: #161 Kenneth
I agree but please see my #182.

188 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:34:32am

re: #183 yma o hyd

So do we!

Yep, in hell, spending an eternity being buggered by Satan.

189 acwgusa  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:34:48am

I really hope the US Military will do what it’s Coward-in-Chief won’t, and destroy the missile.

190 Lee Coller  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:34:49am

re: #182 realwest

Well I’m not defending Nork, y’all understand, if we were to hit that missile on it’s launch pad with bombers or cruise missiles, anything like that, then Nork would be able to say that the US committed an act of war against North Korea and - aside from sending their own strongly worded letter to the UN - be somewhat justified in using some or all of that massed artillery they have which can reach Seoul and the US Bases around Seoul.
That’s a pretty dicey situation but I’m not worried about it because Obama will never hit that missile unless it’s clearly headed towards Hawaii and even then……………..who knows?

And we could just say it was a response to the USS Pueblo.

191 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:35:12am

re: #182 realwest

Well I’m not defending Nork, y’all understand, if we were to hit that missile on it’s launch pad with bombers or cruise missiles, anything like that, then Nork would be able to say that the US committed an act of war against North Korea and - aside from sending their own strongly worded letter to the UN - be somewhat justified in using some or all of that massed artillery they have which can reach Seoul and the US Bases around Seoul.
That’s a pretty dicey situation but I’m not worried about it because Obama will never hit that missile unless it’s clearly headed towards Hawaii and even then……………..who knows?

Maybe maybe not—if the leadership in North Korea wants to stay in power they know the last thing they should do is attack Seoul. I know we and the South are afraid of that and the casualties that would occur, but Those North Korea leaders also have a survival instinct. The game is played both ways.

192 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:35:26am

re: #69 zombie

The Korean War is not over. Remember that in 1953, all that was agreed to was a temporary ceasefire. Neither side surrendered, neither side won. Technically, the country is still at war.

Because of this, I propose:

North Korea is one of those illusory police states that seem fearsome, but which would crumple at the slightest touch. The best comparable example was the Iraq government and military in 1990 and then again in 2003; they were touted as the most powerful military in the Middle East, and a brutal police state, but when they ran into some real soldiers (i.e. American soldiers), they collapsed in a matter of days like a house of cards.

If we (i.e. the US and South Korea) just crashed in to North Korea and seized Pyongyang in 18 hours (which is all it would take), the North Korean government and army would disintegrate in a flash. Yes, war is horrible, invasions are bad, yadda yadda yadda, but what’s worse in condemning tens of millions of people to live in Hell for their entire lives.

What don’t we liberate North Korea. I suspect there would be tears of joys all over North Korea if we did.

That’s the best idea I’ve heard all year.

193 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:35:37am

re: #172 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Utterly OT trivia:
An earlier USS John S McCain, 50’s vintage destroyer leader. Sleek lines. IIRC, the last class of warships built by the Navy which had significant conventional firepower.

The Burke class destroyers are nice ships, too, and are named after someone who deserves it, Arleigh Burke, who was a destroyer squadron commander in WWII, and rose to be Chief of Naval Operations under Eisenhower.
The new class, that got canceled, were named after Carter’s naval chief, Elmo Zumwalt. I’ve heard from people who were in the Navy then, and the only ship that should be named after him is a garbage scow, but it would have to have a politically correct crew.

194 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:35:47am

re: #164 realwest

Yes. Even if nothing dramatic happens following this test, the US will loose repsect in the region. China stand to gain from that. I suspect this is why China has been especially quiet on this NoKo missile launch. Why ruin a good party?

195 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:36:57am

re: #182 realwest

UN resolution has banned NoKo from launching such a missile, even one for civilian purposes. What NoKo is doing is an act of war.

196 realwest  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:37:29am

re: #166 subsailor68
Great comment - reported it to Charles as a possible thread!

197 Rexatosis  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:37:41am

Pres. Obama should be working the Chinese to put an end to this mess. If they don’t agree, we tell them we will help Japan and South Korea go nuclear (the Chinese do not want that, nor do the Russians.). Let the Chinese Army take out North Korea. China solves the ‘lil Kim problem, avoids millions of refugees in China, sees no expansion of US or SK power past the 38th parallel, and avoids a nuclear SK/Japan. Hell POTUS can tell the Chinese we will pony up the food supplies to help China on the humanitarian crisis in NK.

198 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:37:59am

re: #195 Kenneth

UN resolution has banned NoKo from launching such a missile, even one for civilian purposes. What NoKo is doing is an act of war.

Well no so sure an act of war—but a violation of a UN resolution.

199 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:38:39am

So in order to neutralize NK, you have to sacrifice Seoul, and in case anyone didn’t realize.

Seoul is the capital and largest city of South Korea. With a population of over 10 million, It is one of the world’s largest cities.[1]The Seoul National Capital Area - which includes the major port city of Incheon and satellite towns in Gyeonggi-do, has 24.5 million inhabitants[2] and is the world’s second largest metropolitan area.[3]

Which is why NK has been able to use the destruction of Seoul as a bargaining chip for so long. They’re crazy enough not to be bluffing.

200 Earick  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:38:58am

re: #177 turn

48 hour response time anywhere in the world. The first 40 hours are behind the scenes, all nice and quite. The last 8 are just delivery.
Quick response on target anywhere on the peninsula is 7 minutes. At least that was true 10 years ago.

201 rightside  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:39:21am

OT

Honestly, does it get any worse than this?

202 subsailor68  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:39:26am

re: #196 realwest

Great comment - reported it to Charles as a possible thread!

Hi RW! Hope you’re feeling well - and your mom too! Thanks for the thumbs up. It’s a nice thing to have myths debunked!

BBIAB — wife just came home for lunch.

203 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:39:47am

re: #195 Kenneth

UN resolution has banned NoKo from launching such a missile, even one for civilian purposes. What NoKo is doing is an act of war.

The UN wants to send their crack forces to invade.
Unfortunately, they can’t find anyone in the UN who will go to someplace where there isn’t food and someplace comfortable to stay.

204 realwest  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:39:51am

re: #171 solomonpanting
G’day?!? Oh well, I have faith in the US - Japan I’m not so sure about because I’m not very familiar with their capabilities, but I thought the Aegis system was ineffective against ICBM’s because of the height and speed of those ICBM’s, am I incorrect about that?

205 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:40:30am

re: #187 realwest

I read it, and that is a very serious concern. I hope the US military intelligence knows everything they can about the deployment & status of NoKo forces. Even an army in terrible shape can do a hell of a lot of damage.

206 Desert Dog  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:40:47am

re: #160 tfc3rid

Makes Biden look like Nostradamus…

Not really…Obama is such a train wreck waiting to happen, my dog could see this coming.

207 kynna  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:40:51am

I’ve been thinking about a couple of columns that were written in the last 8 years when world anti-American sentiment was so high. The columnists were wondering what the world would be like without the US.

I think we’re seeing what that would be like now. With a completely incompetent and ineffectual administration in the White House and a congress beyond corrupt, we simply can’t do a thing for our allies.

Gonna be along four years — and if we don’t do something about ACORN and the other vote fraud schemers — it’s going to be a long half century.

208 rightside  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:40:57am

re: #204 realwest

Yes, you are. They do have intercept capability.

209 axegrinder  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:41:21am

I know. We just need to give them more money. Let’s send them some of the TARP money. I’m sure they’ll stop being so rascally if just give them enough money./////////////////

210 Macker  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:41:45am

re: #176 Spare O’Lake

The NK launch is not a test for Obama.
He is not even present.

No, but he will vote “Present”.

211 Earick  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:41:49am

re: #192 Taqiyyotomist

Sorry! Tried that! Remember!?!

China is the 800 pound great ape in that room!

212 Wm T Sherman  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:41:51am

re: #74 redc1c4

Small Diameter Bomb……. cruise missiles they can see coming, which gives them a chance to shoot them down, and removes deniability,

Range of a Small Diameter Bomb equipped with the diamond wing attachment is about 60-70 miles. Maybe they could put on longer wings and get more range.

213 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:42:08am

re: #203 Kosh’s Shadow

The UN wants to send their crack forces to invade.
Unfortunately, they can’t find anyone in the UN who will go to someplace where there isn’t food and someplace comfortable to stay.

No brothels in North Korea, so that means the French aren’t interested.

214 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:42:09am
215 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:42:13am

We’ve just always been racist against he Koreans….

/sarc

216 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:42:14am

re: #172 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Utterly OT trivia:
An earlier USS John S McCain, 50’s vintage destroyer leader. Sleek lines. IIRC, the last class of warships built by the Navy which had significant conventional firepower.

She was a pretty ship.

217 alegrias  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:42:28am

China could stop North Korea with a PHONE CALL. (repeating with emphasis a line from a Fox News commentator)

I blame China for this freak show.
I blame China for North Korea’s gulags.

Hell No, I won’t buy Chinese crap ever again.

218 NukeAtomrod  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:42:33am
“If Japan imprudently carries out an act of intercepting our peaceful satellite, our people’s army will hand a thunderbolt of fire to not only interceptor means already deployed, but also key targets,” said a report Thursday by the North’s official Korean Central News Agency that quoted the general staff of its military.

This is a bluff and we should call them on it. Unfortunately, President Obama can’t find his balls.

219 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:42:50am

We’ll see if he has any Pakistan surprises in store for NK.

220 azul93gt  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:43:02am

Not now… Obama is too busy genuflecting to anyone and everyone that will have him.

221 turn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:43:26am

re: #200 Earick

48 hour response time anywhere in the world. The first 40 hours are behind the scenes, all nice and quite. The last 8 are just delivery.
Quick response on target anywhere on the peninsula is 7 minutes. At least that was true 10 years ago.

I have no reason to doubt anything you are saying but I just find it kind of hard to believe we can mobilize to attack NK in 48 hrs. There are some very good arguments being made here for attacking, my gut feel still tells me it wouldn’t be wise. LH said it well in #92.

222 Diamond Bullet  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:43:30am

Through the amazing power of the intertubes, I have managed to locate the prospective text of the forthcoming Strongly Worded Letter (which in diplomatic circles falls between the Irate Telegram and the Breathless Voicemail):

TO: UN General Assembly
FROM: America, United States of
CC: South Korea
RE: Unfortunate timing of peaceful civilian launch of DPRK’s satellite

Dear All:

The United States of America formally protests the unfortunate timing of the DPRK’s prospective satellite launch. As you all know, President Obama and his 500-person entourage are presently traveling amongst the European serfdom. All television and media outlets have already received their transmission orders for coverage of this historical event (even though most are blacked out on scene). Diversion of even a single television camera from President Obama’s historical visit to cover the satellite launch works a great injustice on the citizens of the world by potentially reducing their access to staged press photos of The One. President Obama did not deign to permit the drooling morons of America to elect him just to be upstaged by a rocket launch. If nonetheless some modicum of airtime need be devoted to non-Obama events, we demand that such occur during the 2-3 hour “me time” the President takes every afternoon. End transmission.

223 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:43:49am

re: #201 rightside

OT

Honestly, does it get any worse than this?

Good lord

224 Macker  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:43:58am

re: #203 Kosh’s Shadow

The UN wants to send their crack forces to invade.
Unfortunately, they can’t find anyone in the UN who will go to someplace where there isn’t food and someplace comfortable to stay.

Or have “comfort services” available for the UN peacekeepers.

225 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:44:19am

re: #214 taxfreekiller

speaking of spiders ….

“Michelle meets the Queen”

226 azul93gt  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:44:25am

re: #220 azul93gt

Not now… Obama is too busy genuflecting to anyone and everyone every foreigner that will have him.

227 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:44:42am

re: #207 kynna

Great commment. What would the world without the US be like? We’re finding out now. Wow.

228 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:44:43am

re: #217 alegrias

China is a huge enemy of ours… Too many people are living in a fog when it comes to them…

229 alegrias  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:45:00am

re: #213 Kenneth

No brothels in North Korea, so that means the French aren’t interested.

* * * *
Well if there’s no beer & wurst, don’t expect Germans to show up. Oh wait, Germans get to drink beer & eat pig wurst, yet don’t leave Afghan NATO camp at night, nor to fight.

230 soxfan4life  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:45:22am

re: #218 NukeAtomrod

This is a bluff and we should call them on it. Unfortunately, President Obama can’t find his balls.

Where’s Jimmy Carter when you need him.///

231 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:45:35am

re: #223 SasquatchOnSteroids

Good lord

Cap both of them.

232 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:46:05am

re: #230 soxfan4life

Where’s Jimmy Carter when you need him.///

Blowing some jihadi scum.

233 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:46:08am

re: #230 soxfan4life

Where’s Jimmy Carter when you need him.///

still looking for his balls.

234 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:46:14am

re: #225 pink freud

I think touching the Queen is responsible for today’s market rally. We should touch her a couple times a week.

235 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:46:42am

re: #234 Killgore Trout

I think touching the Queen is responsible for today’s market rally. We should touch her a couple times a week.

Cures scrofula, don’t it?

236 solomonpanting  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:46:43am

re: #204 realwest

G’day?!? Oh well, I have faith in the US - Japan I’m not so sure about because I’m not very familiar with their capabilities, but I thought the Aegis system was ineffective against ICBM’s because of the height and speed of those ICBM’s, am I incorrect about that?

You may be correct.

237 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:46:48am

re: #69 zombie

The Korean War is not over. Remember that in 1953, all that was agreed to was a temporary ceasefire. Neither side surrendered, neither side won. Technically, the country is still at war.

Because of this, I propose:

North Korea is one of those illusory police states that seem fearsome, but which would crumple at the slightest touch. The best comparable example was the Iraq government and military in 1990 and then again in 2003; they were touted as the most powerful military in the Middle East, and a brutal police state, but when they ran into some real soldiers (i.e. American soldiers), they collapsed in a matter of days like a house of cards.

If we (i.e. the US and South Korea) just crashed in to North Korea and seized Pyongyang in 18 hours (which is all it would take), the North Korean government and army would disintegrate in a flash. Yes, war is horrible, invasions are bad, yadda yadda yadda, but what’s worse in condemning tens of millions of people to live in Hell for their entire lives.

What don’t we liberate North Korea. I suspect there would be tears of joys all over North Korea if we did.

And if you remember your history, we had pretty much beaten the North Koreans until China crossed the border. Even then, the tenacity of the US Army and Marines still gave the Chinese a whooping. I agree with Earick here. You can count on at least 1-2 hours of confusion from the Norks. That’s more than enough time to nearly neutralize the threat from the arty pieces. In the meantime, you’ve got strategic bombers coming on station from Okinawa and mainland Japan and carrier groups in the area to clear the way for the ground invasion.

238 Earick  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:46:54am

re: #221 turn

I agree it would not be in our interest to invade. Refer to post #211

China is our concern not NK!
NK is just a nuisance!

239 tfc3rid  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:47:11am

re: #234 Killgore Trout

I think touching the Queen is responsible for today’s market rally. We should touch her a couple times a week.

Kinda like a lucky rabbit’s foot…

240 Cognito  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:47:16am

re: #201 rightside

OT

Honestly, does it get any worse than this?

Good grief, man. Awful.

241 pink freud  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:47:40am

re: #234 Killgore Trout

I think touching the Queen is responsible for today’s market rally. We should touch her a couple times a week.

“we” …? Michelle is not we.

242 turn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:48:00am

re: #231 Ward Cleaver

Cap both of them.

missed that upthread, sick and twisted for sure

243 mfarmer1  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:48:03am

Missile launches aside, I will miss the day when the DPRK disappears into history and we no longer get the daily news from its official press agency.

A gem from today:

Glorification of President Kim Il Sung’s Exploits Called for

Pyongyang, April 1 (KCNA) — Leading newspapers Wednesday editorially say that the revolutionary history of President Kim Il Sung is shining as the history of a peerlessly great man who performed immortal exploits for the country and people, regarding the building of a socialist power as his lifelong mission. They call for eternally glorifying his feats performed in building a rich and powerful country.

Rodong Sinmun says that the exploits performed by the President in building a rich and powerful nation are throwing rays as eternal treasures which guarantee the permanent victory and prosperity of the country.


It goes on:


The President’s cause of building a rich and powerful nation is now being successfully carried out under the leadership of General Secretary Kim Jong Il.


It is the unshakable resolution of the Workers’ Party of Korea to surely open the gate to a great prosperous and powerful nation in 2012, the centenary of birth of the President, by relying on the powerful political and military potentials built in the crucible of the Songun revolution and the indomitable mental power of the army and people of the DPRK.


It is necessary to accelerate the on-going general offensive, regarding the immortal exploits performed by the President for the building of a rich and powerful nation all his life as a lifeline.


We should never forget the undying exploits the President performed by building a power, independent in politics, self-supporting in economy and self-reliant in national defence, on this land where backwardness and poverty once prevailed no matter how much water has flowed under the bridge and making the country widely known as “Chollima Korea” and “heroic Korea.”


It is imperative to push forward the revolution and construction the way the President did, considering his revolutionary idea, the Juche idea as guidelines for life and struggle.


A great leap forward should be effected on all fronts of socialist construction as it was done in the period of great Chollima surge in the post-war days.


It is necessary to sound the general advance on all fronts under the uplifted revolutionary banner of self-reliance provided by the President in the crucible of the anti-Japanese struggle.


Sure to triumph is the drive for building a Juche-oriented great prosperous and powerful socialist nation as there are an eternal cornerstone for building a rich and powerful nation provided by the President all his life and the Songun leadership of Kim Jong Il.


Minju Joson calls for accomplishing the President’s cause of building a rich and powerful nation by intensifying the drive for effecting a new great revolutionary surge.

___________________________________________________

Alas, soon such news items will only be available from The People’s Cube and oh yeah, I almost forgot, the United States of America, given our current path.

244 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:48:10am
245 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:48:42am

re: #217 alegrias

Hell No, I won’t buy Chinese crap ever again.


Good luck with that…may as well throw out your computer. And your car. Heck just go live on Walden pond or join an Amish community.

Seriously it’d be informative to catalog all our posessions accurately, where they were built, where each part was made. I don’t own much, but I’m guessing more than 70% of the individual items that I own are made in China.

246 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:48:55am

re: #216 Ward Cleaver

She was a pretty ship.

She was based at Pearl Harbor while I was in the Islands in the late 50’s. (Dad stationed at Kaneohe Bay.) I loved that ship so much, I took my little camera with me in the car one day when the family was going into the naval shipyard. I covertly snapped a photo of her. My Dad heard the shutter click.

/HOLY SH*T! … I never tried THAT again! … … .. :D

247 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:48:58am

re: #235 Guanxi88

We could touch the Dali Lama and the Pope too. Anyone who dresses funny and lives in a castle.
“Poke a Potentate for Prosperity!”

248 yma o hyd  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:49:16am

While NORK is readying everything for its missile launch, lets not forget that in the meantime the photo of Obowma (hat tip: Ben Hur!) has been seen by all the presidents and prime ministers around the world.
There has been no spin as of yet - and images, as we all know, are more persistent than any words.

So why should Japan not do what it can to take he NORKs down a peg or two? They know Obowma won’t do anything?

Why would the Chinese not wait with their phonecall until the last second, seeing that perhaps there might be more concessions to be had from Obowma?

As for Iran … and the rest of the Ummah … aww, won’t go there as yet …

249 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:49:26am

For comparison purposes:

North Korean Army: Active personnel 1,190,000

South Korean military 735,000

United States Forces Korea 30,000

Of course, quality matter more than quantity. But the US & South Korean forces would have to be prepared to act fast to limit the destruction the North Koreans unleash.

250 Gearhead  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:49:40am

Is Dear Leader low on toilet paper again? The forthcoming ‘strongly worded letter’ could arrive just in the nick of time.

251 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:49:45am

re: #39 Nevergiveup

Kissed him.

Kissing and holding hands with Saudi royals may be distasteful (and it was, GW, it was), but if that’s actually a bow, there, that’s entirely outside American diplomatic protocol as we know it.

252 big L  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:49:57am

Just lie about it and take it out.Wipe it out. Say it was something else.Someone else.

253 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:50:03am

re: #247 Killgore Trout

We could touch the Dali Lama and the Pope too. Anyone who dresses funny and lives in a castle.
“Poke a Potentate for Prosperity!”

Beats every other plan out there for turning things around; it’d be amusing anyway, and it’s impossible to overstate the need for a chuckle in these times of chaos, tumult, and despair.

254 NukeAtomrod  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:50:33am

re: #238 Earick

I agree it would not be in our interest to invade. Refer to post #211

China is our concern not NK!
NK is just a nuisance!

Invade? Why would we do that? Use a cruise missile to blow up the rocket on the launch pad. Then, NK can try to invade us if they want.

255 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:50:46am

re: #249 Kenneth

Keep in mind that most of those forces will probably surrender on sight.

256 rightside  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:51:08am

re: #249 Kenneth

We are instructing some of the South’s military right here and now.

257 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:51:27am

re: #216 Ward Cleaver

She was a pretty ship.

Fate: Sold for scrap December 13 1979.

Sigh. We’ve destroyed so much of our history, so many mounts & homes of so many brave men & women.

258 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:51:32am

re: #254 NukeAtomrod

Invade? Why would we do that? Use a cruise missile to blow up the rocket on the launch pad. Then, NK can try to invade us if they want.

Eh, but their capacity for mischief-making in an economically sensitive region has the potential to turn this world-wide recession into a full-on depression, complete with a raging war in Asia. This, nobody needs.

259 axegrinder  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:51:43am

re: #237 ConservatismNow!

And if you remember your history, we had pretty much beaten the North Koreans until China crossed the border. Even then, the tenacity of the US Army and Marines still gave the Chinese a whooping. I agree with Earick here. You can count on at least 1-2 hours of confusion from the Norks. That’s more than enough time to nearly neutralize the threat from the arty pieces. In the meantime, you’ve got strategic bombers coming on station from Okinawa and mainland Japan and carrier groups in the area to clear the way for the ground invasion.

I hear China has developed carrier busters. Sink in one shot. Times is scary.

260 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:52:08am
261 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:52:13am

re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist

Kissing and holding hands with Saudi royals may be distasteful (and it was, GW, it was), but if that’s actually a bow, there, that’s entirely outside American diplomatic protocol as we know it.

Which protocol does it fall within? I have a guess.

262 realwest  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:53:10am

re: #195 Kenneth
“UN resolution has banned NoKo from launching such a missile, even one for civilian purposes”
WHAT? The UN already has a resolution in place banning such a launch?
I hope you’re right - you almost always are! - but how come I’ve never read about this before and why hasn’t Obama or Gibb’s or even Clinton mentioned this? Or the Japanese?
Seems to me an immediate meeting of the UN Security Council should be held with the end result being that the UN would condone - if not undertake - military action against Nork if it fires off that missile!
Sigh.
Sorry, I forgot (for one brief, blessed moment) that Obama is POTUS.
Sigh.

263 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:53:18am

re: #245 Taqiyyotomist

Good luck with that…may as well throw out your computer. And your car. Heck just go live on Walden pond or join an Amish community.

Seriously it’d be informative to catalog all our posessions accurately, where they were built, where each part was made. I don’t own much, but I’m guessing more than 70% of the individual items that I own are made in China.

We did some work on that last year when I taught a unit on the Industrial Revolution. Cataloguing our in-class stuff, where it was made, and what proportion of it was factory-produced. I think when we looked at what wasn’t factory produced we were left with my wedding ring and a sweater one of the kids’ aunts had knitted—and both of those were made with factory produced materials and tools.

An interesting activity.

264 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:53:23am

re: #243 mfarmer1

As said earlier in this thread, I’m now leaning to dropping crates of food with propaganda. True power comes in the ability to feed the people.

265 NukeAtomrod  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:53:27am

re: #258 Guanxi88

Eh, but their capacity for mischief-making in an economically sensitive region has the potential to turn this world-wide recession into a full-on depression, complete with a raging war in Asia. This, nobody needs.

We don’t need them successfully testing a delivery system for a nuclear warhead either.

266 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:53:49am

re: #262 realwest

“UN resolution has banned NoKo from launching such a missile, even one for civilian purposes”
WHAT? The UN already has a resolution in place banning such a launch?
I hope you’re right - you almost always are! - but how come I’ve never read about this before and why hasn’t Obama or Gibb’s or even Clinton mentioned this? Or the Japanese?
Seems to me an immediate meeting of the UN Security Council should be held with the end result being that the UN would condone - if not undertake - military action against Nork if it fires off that missile!
Sigh.
Sorry, I forgot (for one brief, blessed moment) that Obama is POTUS.
Sigh.

We already know just how much teeth UN resolutions have.

267 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:54:16am

re: #247 Killgore Trout

We could touch the Dali Lama and the Pope too. Anyone who dresses funny and lives in a castle.
“Poke a Potentate for Prosperity!”


In that case, Disney World should be like a mecca for miracle cures.

268 Nevergiveup  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:54:19am

re: #217 alegrias

China could stop North Korea with a PHONE CALL. (repeating with emphasis a line from a Fox News commentator)

I blame China for this freak show.
I blame China for North Korea’s gulags.

Hell No, I won’t buy Chinese crap ever again.

That might be harder to do than you think?

269 NukeAtomrod  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:54:50am

re: #254 NukeAtomrod

Invade? Why would we do that? Use a cruise missile to blow up the rocket on the launch pad. Then, NK can try to invade us if they want.

Besides, China isn’t going to risk a war over these idiots. They’ll just send us a strongly worded letter.

270 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:55:16am

re: #255 ConservatismNow!

Keep in mind that most of those forces will probably surrender on sight.

They’d surrender just to get a decent meal.

271 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:56:35am

re: #252 big L

Just lie about it and take it out.Wipe it out. Say it was something else.Someone else.

Blame the IAF!

272 axegrinder  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:56:45am

re: #266 Hengineer

We already know just how much teeth UN resolutions have.

We are the teeth for the UN. And the financier.

273 Guanxi88  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:57:31am

re: #265 NukeAtomrod

We don’t need them successfully testing a delivery system for a nuclear warhead either.

I’ll give you that; the jitters induced by the enhancement of their capacity to cause harm could have a definite effect, but I’d take another couple years of jitters over full-on war any day. Remember, Seoul is within artillery and rocket range of the DMZ, and we know the NorK’s have the tubes and systems already in place.

274 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:57:41am

re: #255 ConservatismNow!

re: #256 rightside

No doubt about it, the South Koreans have a far more impressive military than the North Koreans. But even a starving army with outdated artillery can kill a lot of civilians if they get the chance.

There has got to be a lot of quiet diplomacy going on right now. China will want to milk this for maximum advantage before leashing NoKo. The US is right to underplay the tension, but the mixed messages & flaccid posture are do not inspire confidence.

275 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:57:45am
276 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:57:51am

re: #257 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Fate: Sold for scrap December 13 1979.

Sigh. We’ve destroyed so much of our history, so many mounts & homes of so many brave men & women.

We sold the Enterprise for scrap.
I haven’t enough spit to do it justice.

277 turn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:58:19am

re: #265 NukeAtomrod

We don’t need them successfully testing a delivery system for a nuclear warhead either.

see #92, we learn more by allowing the launch then we do by trying to prevent it, which I still think would be a mistake at this time.

278 Earick  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:58:46am

re: #272 axegrinder

“We already know just how much teeth UN resolutions have.
We are the teeth for the UN. And the financier.”

Now that is a sick.. but accurate… assessment.

279 axegrinder  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:58:51am

re: #271 Spare O’Lake

Blame the IAF!

What, when Israel is available? It was the Jooooozzz!

280 MikeAlv77  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:58:58am

re: #237 ConservatismNow!

And if you remember your history, we had pretty much beaten the North Koreans until China crossed the border. Even then, the tenacity of the US Army and Marines still gave the Chinese a whooping. I agree with Earick here. You can count on at least 1-2 hours of confusion from the Norks. That’s more than enough time to nearly neutralize the threat from the arty pieces. In the meantime, you’ve got strategic bombers coming on station from Okinawa and mainland Japan and carrier groups in the area to clear the way for the ground invasion.


Except for one little problem

We have a president with NO BALLS!

281 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:59:11am

re: #275 Iron Fist

There are a lot of American businesses that rely on inexpensive Chinese manufacturing to make the products that they sell in the United States. Not buying Chinese (while an admirable goal) will damage the American economy as well. It’s definately harder than you’d think.

A LOT!

282 Randall Gross  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 10:59:28am

Japan has the capability for the takedown, they have two ships and some shore batteries equipped with PAC 3.

[Link: closingvelocity.typepad.com…]

283 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:00:11am

re: #276 pre-Boomer Marine brat

We sold the Enterprise for scrap.
I haven’t enough spit to do it justice.

That’s OK, I’m more of a Star Wars fan than a Trekkie.
///

I’ve been doing a bit of research & there’s a lot of small military history museums within a 90 minute drive of where I live. I should have no problem finding something to do this summer:)

284 MikeAlv77  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:00:50am

re: #260 Iron Fist

Actually, it can get worse than that. Psup3; (polly prissypants) told me about prosecuting a son of a bitch who kept his son chained to a wall in his garage, and only unchained him to have sex with him. Among other such lovely actions. Way more detail that I really wanted to hear. At least the bastard is in lockup now. Personally, I think they should have fried him.

Lethal injection is too gentle a way to execute him.

To Quote the movie heavy metal…

Burings to good for him
Hanging’s too good for him
He should be draw, quartered, then have him cut into little bitty pieces and buried ALIVE!

285 turn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:01:08am

re: #282 Thanos

Japan has the capability for the takedown, they have two ships and some shore batteries equipped with PAC 3.

[Link: closingvelocity.typepad.com…]


Hi thanos, do you think it would be a wise idea to take the missile out? Short answer ok.

286 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:01:26am

re: #262 realwest

In 2006 the UN passed a resolution banning NoKo from testing ballistic missiles.

That August, the six-party talks got under way and 13 months later produced a landmark accord calling for North Korea to abandon its nuclear program in exchange for economic aid, diplomatic recognition and a security guarantee from Washington.

But as the talks dragged on, North Korea in July 2006 test-fired six missiles, one of which U.S. and South Korean officials believe has the potential to strike Alaska. The launch angered even North Korea’s longtime ally and main donor, China, which in an unusual move agreed to a U.N. condemnation.

In October 2006 came an underground nuclear test followed by a U.N. resolution banning any ballistic activity by North Korea. The U.S., South Korea and Japan say that includes sending up satellites since the technology for launching a satellite and a missile are virtually the same.

North Korea is in violation of a UN resolution. Not that that has stopped thugs & dictators in the past.

287 Hengineer  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:03:09am

re: #272 axegrinder

We are the teeth for the UN. And the financier.

While they get to sit back and complain that we actually are their teeth.

288 turn  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:03:10am

bbl - lunch. This has been an interesting discussion, luv LGF. You guys are at least a day or two ahead of prime time.

289 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:03:45am

re: #283 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That’s OK, I’m more of a Star Wars fan than a Trekkie.
///

I’ve been doing a bit of research & there’s a lot of small military history museums within a 90 minute drive of where I live. I should have no problem finding something to do this summer:)

heh … I noticed that you put THREEEEEE sarcs after that!
RATS!
/// .. :D

290 Wilderstad  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:03:50am

Inside North Korea

Youtube Video
291 Tazzerman  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:04:32am

If we truly had any balls, we’d have already launched a salvo of submarine based Tomahawks to obliterate both the missle and the launch facilities each with a big fat (We WARNED YOU) painted on the side.

Now THAT trumps a strongly worded letter from the U.N. any day.

292 rightside  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:04:37am

re: #260 Iron Fist

No shit! Why do they wipe alcohol pads on the site where they give a lethal injection?

293 realwest  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:04:40am

re: #236 solomonpanting
Well I read that article and candidly it seems to me that Ms. Victoria Samson was really reading a BDS induced polemic against Bush and Rumsfeld. Also note that it was written two years ago and reported Aegis was accurate in 8 out of 10 tries.
So I’m still not sure.
Fortunately it doesn’t matter because Obama as POTUS will never allow us to try to knock it down.
Sigh.

294 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:05:15am

re: #262 realwest

Seems to me an immediate meeting of the UN Security Council should be held with the end result being that the UN would condone - if not undertake - military action against Nork if it fires off that missile!

China & Russia would veto any action, proving once again how toothless the UN is. Better to leave the idiots out of it.

Current elected members of the UNSC

Burkina Faso
Costa Rica
Croatia
Libya
Vietnam
Austria
Japan
Mexico
Turkey
Uganda

Oh yeah, Libya!

295 Athos  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:06:29am

re: #286 Kenneth

In 2006 the UN passed a resolution banning NoKo from testing ballistic missiles.

North Korea is in violation of a UN resolution. Not that that has stopped thugs & dictators in the past.

As we’ve learned about the UN over the last nearly 2 decades, other than some posturing and perhaps a strongly worded letter - the UN will do absolutely nothing except try to disguise its irrelevance. This same moral and intellectual bankruptcy seems to fit well into the hypocrisy and bankruptcy demonstrated by numerous countries and NGO’s when faced with real crimes.

Let’s face the facts that this is not just the DPRK testing the new President - but it is also the PRC testing the new President as the PRC, if so inclined, could get the DPRK to stop the test. Only they have that level of influence.

296 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:06:44am

So when do they plan on launching this thing?

297 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:07:16am

re: #296 Taqiyyotomist

Any day now.

298 rightside  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:07:16am

re: #296 Taqiyyotomist

Could be as early as Saturday.

299 realwest  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:08:20am

re: #259 axegrinder
“I hear China has developed carrier busters. Sink in one shot.”
Link, please?

300 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:08:41am

Ok, thanks.

301 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:08:52am

re: #299 realwest

It was something that was sent out yesterday or the day before

302 godfrey  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:09:15am

Shoot it down. Everyone will be happy but the Norks and their hard lefty boot-lickers.

303 NukeAtomrod  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:10:00am

re: #277 turn

see #92, we learn more by allowing the launch then we do by trying to prevent it, which I still think would be a mistake at this time.

If we destroy it before launch, NK won’t learn anything about it either. And if we do the same to all their future ICBM tests we will prevent them from developing a verified working missile. Then they won’t risk the cost of mass-production of missiles.

The minuscule risk that China might get pissed is worth it.

304 godfrey  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:10:04am

re: #302 godfrey

Oh, and all the bad guys around the world. They’ll be bummed, too.

But we can’t have that.

Unclench, everyone!

305 gmsc  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:10:22am

Note to North Korea: If you’re trying to develop powerful weapons with the goal of destroying America, save your money. The US federal government will beat you to it.

306 Annar  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:10:33am

Wouldn’t it be too bad if a cruise missile were to accidently misfire and inadvertently take out Kimmie’s firecracker on the pad.

307 solomonpanting  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:11:28am

re: #293 realwest

Well I read that article and candidly it seems to me that Ms. Victoria Samson was really reading a BDS induced polemic against Bush and Rumsfeld. Also note that it was written two years ago and reported Aegis was accurate in 8 out of 10 tries.
So I’m still not sure.
Fortunately it doesn’t matter because Obama as POTUS will never allow us to try to knock it down.
Sigh.

Yes, I saw it was an article from two years ago, and this may be a ray of optimism, in that advances may have been made since then. And if 8 out of 10 was the ratio then, another good sign. Can the US deploy more than one anti-missile missile? That would certainly increase the odds.
I have to leave. Post at you later.

308 rightside  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:11:39am

re: #299 realwest

“I hear China has developed carrier busters. Sink in one shot.”
Link, please?


Here.

309 Macker  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:12:27am

re: #282 Thanos

Japan has the capability for the takedown, they have two ships and some shore batteries equipped with PAC 3.

[Link: closingvelocity.typepad.com…]

BANZAI! BANZAI!

310 realwest  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:16:30am

re: #301 ConservatismNow! Um, sorry, but sent out by whom to whom?!

311 axegrinder  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:17:25am

re: #299 realwest

“I hear China has developed carrier busters. Sink in one shot.”
Link, please?

Might be a myth. Here’s the article I read.

[Link: www.usni.org…]

dj

312 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:18:34am

Japanese media coverage of the NoKo missile launch
Japan prepares for North Korea rocket

North launch would be ‘act of provocation’


Japan will condemn North Korea for an “act of provocation” if it launches a long-range ballistic missile and Prime Minister Taro Aso will instruct the government to increase its surveillance, official sources said Wednesday.

Cabinet members would be expected to gather at the prime minister’s office to discuss ways to deal with the launch, should it occur, with the goal of having the U.N. Security Council adopt a new sanctions resolution against Pyongyang, the sources said.

313 realwest  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:18:54am

re: #308 rightside
Ah thank you very much. But isn’t that why Carrier Battle Groups have more than one ship with Aegis ABM systems?!

314 Eowyn2  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:19:25am

time to get to work.

later dudes and dudettes.

315 realwest  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:19:49am

Sorry y’all it’s been grand and educational as usual but I gotta go now!
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

316 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:19:49am

re: #311 axegrinder

That article does not support the opinion this Chinese missile is a myth:

“The Navy’s reaction is telling, because it essentially equals a radical change in direction based on information that has created a panic inside the bubble. For a major military service to panic due to a new weapon system, clearly a mission kill weapon system, either suggests the threat is legitimate or the leadership of the Navy is legitimately unqualified. There really aren’t many gray spaces in evaluating the reaction by the Navy…the data tends to support the legitimacy of the threat.”

317 filetandrelease  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:22:14am

re: #299 realwestIt is a mach 8 missile guided by satellite so it does not have a straight trajectory and can follow a moving target, loaded with enough explosives to cripple a Carrier.

318 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:26:32am

An update on the missile test at DKPR Forum

319 axegrinder  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:27:23am

re: #316 Kenneth

That article does not support the opinion this Chinese missile is a myth:

Agreed. We should react and prepare as if it were fact. However, I wouldn’t put it past the Chinese to prepare an elaborate hoax to shake us up.

dj

320 Sabnen  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:27:31am

re: #217 alegrias

China could stop North Korea with a PHONE CALL. (repeating with emphasis a line from a Fox News commentator)

I blame China for this freak show.
I blame China for North Korea’s gulags.

True and true.

Two things …

First, I wholly agree that North Korea is China’s freak show, their responsibility, their making. I am curious to see if China, wanting soooo badly to be a world power, would be asked to act like one and dismantle the North Korea they have created. This is easily a good vs. evil, light vs. dark situation and if China cannot see the difference they have no right to strut around the world stage. North Korea is a perverse tragedy.

Second, The Obama Administration is operating as if there weren’t 200 years of United States worldly relations and precedent in our past. It’s like every relation is brand spanking new. What treaty? We had a treaty with who about what? What are you talkin’ about? What incursion? Where? We had a Conflict with North Korea? When? Bill Clinton and Madeline Albright had what kind of deal with the North Koreans? The North Koreans broke the Treaty?

This acting like there has been no past makes for instability in world relations. Nations don’t know what will be honored and what will be scrapped with this Administration. Get ready for one crisis after another solved on the fly by an inexperienced President.

I have a bizarre hope (maybe it’s the Spring Fever that’s ravaging my body) that Hillary Clinton will somehow see the danger in the New Nothing Diplomacy and try to put brakes on anything Obama does or doesn’t do, but I’m not holding my breath.

321 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:29:07am

re: #317 filetandrelease

It is a mach 8 missile guided by satellite so it does not have a straight trajectory and can follow a moving target, loaded with enough explosives to cripple a Carrier.

We need to develop our antimissile systems more. Too bad 0 is in office.
And we really need a power source sufficient to power an ABM laser, but small enough to fit on a carrier-launched aircraft. Unfortunately, the shielding for nukes might be too much.
Maybe an ABM Laser ship would be the solution.
(Navy - please go ahead and build it. Just don’t name it after any one in the Carter administration. Or any Jew-haters.)

322 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:29:10am

The Real Dr. Evil

Facinating video of the dictator Kim Jong Il.

323 Kenneth  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:30:20am

re: #319 axegrinder

Possibly. The report says the US Navy is seriously rattled by this (alleged) weapon. It’s no coincidence the Chinese leaked this story a few days before the NoKo missile test.

324 AZDave  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 11:48:33am
Both leaders agreed to respond to the launch by registering a firm protest with the United Nations

I can see Kim Jong Il hiding under his desk, shaking like a leaf at the thought of receiving a “firm protest from the United Nations.”

Yeah, right!

325 BingoBunny  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 12:06:07pm

I Barack Hussein Obama being of sound “dowhopdoda” mind do leave and bequeath all my worldly political skills to who-so-ever survives my apocryphal foreign policy.

/just a guess

326 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 12:10:18pm

Who gives a crap. It Californians don’t care, why should we. Even Charles. It is not supposed to have a nuke warhead. Nothing to see here. Move along.

327 sngnsgt  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 12:15:11pm

Obama will issue a strongly worded speech, that’ll fix ‘em.

328 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 12:19:06pm

Better to worry about stupid things like creationists than North Korea having nukes to hit Cali with. Better to worry about creationists having strongly worded ideas.

329 Pupdawg  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 12:54:38pm

That’ll show ‘em!

330 see bs  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 1:01:46pm

“I object!, Overruled. I strongly object!, Oh then maybe I should reconsider.”

Take a “firm” protest to the UN in one hand and a dump in the other hand and see which one get filled first.

UN… Bah… What a joke.

331 Code Red 21  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 1:09:18pm

If that doesn’t scare the shit out NoK nothing will. I feel them shaking from here.

332 Noam Chumpski  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 1:13:50pm

Sure, why not?

I mean, if I’m Kimmy and I’m looking across the water at Obama and noticing his military budget cuts at the same time he is adding troops to Afghan then I’m thinking, “Hey, now’s the time.”

333 Code Red 21  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 1:22:28pm

re: #170 Nevergiveup

Ofer Gamliel, the jailed father of Yair Gamliel, who was wounded in the Bat Ayin terror attack, on Thursday refused to visit his son in the hospital accompanied by prison guards.

The Prison Service on Thursday said it would allow Gamliel to visit his son with wardens chaperoning him and without handcuffs. Gamliel ? who was sentenced seven years ago for participating in a plot to attack a Palestinian girls’ school ? demanded to be released temporarily in order to visit his son

[Link: www.haaretz.com…]

This guy is tad crazy also.

He might be a tad crazy but he was put in prison instead of being elevated to celebrity status by his fellow citizens, unlike the Palis.

334 RoughRider  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 1:45:46pm

re: #324 AZDave

I can see Kim Jong Il hiding under his desk, …

He’s not hiding. You just can’t see him over it.

335 wiffersnapper  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:33:33pm

“Show me your weapons of mass destruction or else!”
“Or else what?”
“Or else we will get very angry with you, and we will write you a letter showing how angry we are with you”

Not quite verbatim from Team America, but works PERFECTLY here.

336 MJBrutus  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 2:35:53pm

Both leaders agreed to respond to the launch by registering a firm protest with the United Nations.

Phew, that’s a relief. I was afraid he wasn’t going to anything! Relax people. All’s well. All’s well.

337 a5minmajor  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:47:28pm

[Points finger at entire obama administration and laughs]

‘HAAAAHAAHAAHAAAHAAAA! ….pussies.’

I personally can’t WAIT for the launch! The Japanese are gonna shoot that bad boy down with a -patriot- missile they bought from the -previous- administration, and I will play ‘Kimigayo’ in their honor. (that’s the Japanese national anthem)

Thank God at least the Japanese still have some self-respect.

338 Ceemack  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 3:59:01pm

Secretly, the Chinese have to be laughing themselves hoarse over this. North Korea may annoy them, but North Korea’s aggressive behavior and exports of weapons technology to hostile Islamic states makes N.K. a much bigger problem for the U.S.

They’ll be watching how Barry deals with this, and if his response is as flaccid as we’re all expecting it to be, the Chinese may become a lot more confident about things that are nearer to their hearts…like reclaiming Taiwan, for instance.

This launch may be a direct threat to Japan, but it’s also an indirect threat to Taiwan.

The world is just too dangerous a place for us to have the likes of Barry in the White House. Didn’t we learn our lesson after Carter?

339 Seax  Thu, Apr 2, 2009 5:42:04pm

Going by the recent past history Japan will hold it’s breath…
(that is if the thing gets off the ground) as it goes over -
(strongly worded letter to the UN etc) - but if it deviates
they will splash it.
US Military ( and others)will have alsorts of assets that we don’t know about taking data.Wouldn’t surprise if they didn’t know how many rivets
there are on the outer surface skin.
Everybody will learn heaps - except the Norks who will rattle their
sabers and then hold their hands out for money/aid/burgers etc.


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