The Door Opens - Update: The Door Closes

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Here’s a midday open thread, with open registration for a limited time.

Read all the rules before you register, and commit them to memory. The short version:

  • Don’t register with a proxy.
  • Don’t register with a throwaway email address.
  • Don’t register more than one account at a time.
  • Don’t be a jerk.
  • Don’t be a troll.
  • Don’t be a sock puppet. Stinky hates sock puppets.
  • Do play nice.

And then everything will be groovy.

UPDATE at 8/20/09 12:10:28 pm:

And the shimmering door of registration opportunity dematerializes again, with 58 hatchlings.

Jump to bottom

1252 comments
1 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:17:41am

Dear Newbies-

Welcome to LGF! If you need something to help break the commenting ice, how about telling us what brought you to LGF? Always an interesting story. Hope you have fun, just remember to play nice.

Sincerely, Sharmuta

2 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:17:56am

Welcome all newbies. Remember, Spell check is you friend.

3 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:18:28am

re: #2 midwestgak

Welcome all newbies. Remember, Spell check is you friend.

hahahahahahhahaaa

4 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:18:55am

I think you can pretty much count on some socks today.

5 brennant  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:19:17am

I am a newb last round, and came here to read a conservative viewpoint without the lunacy.

6 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:19:18am

re: #2 midwestgak

Welcome all newbies. Remember, Spell check is you friend.

It isn't my friend. It keeps telling me I'm wrong.

7 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:19:33am

Trespassers will be violated.

/

8 Czarny_Smok  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:19:52am

Wonder what the survival rate is for newbies...

9 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:20:02am

re: #5 brennant

I am a newb last round, and came here to read a conservative viewpoint without the lunacy.

Welcom brennant. You've come to the right site.

10 KenJen  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:20:05am

Open registration? Is this where I sign up for my free health care?

11 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:20:08am

re: #5 brennant

I am a newb last round, and came here to read a conservative viewpoint without the lunacy.

Oh, we have some loons.

12 Spider Mensch  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:20:31am

re: #5 brennant

I am a newb last round, and came here to read a conservative viewpoint without the lunacy.

heh..don't read the morning overnight threads...lol..is morning overnight thread redundant??

13 Bryntröll  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:20:38am

Cox&Forkum brings a lot of people to LGF..

14 brennant  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:20:39am

Oh there are some, but I would say a small percent... :P

15 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:20:41am

re: #11 debutaunt

re: #5 brennant


Oh, we have some loons.

I KNOW NOTHING...NOTHING!

16 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:21:02am

re: #5 brennant

I am a newb last round, and came here to read a conservative viewpoint without the lunacy.

And you have some problems with lunatics?
/

17 calcajun  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:21:09am

re: #13 Bryntröll

Are the drawing again? I thought they quit?

18 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:21:19am

re: #10 KenJen

Open registration? Is this where I sign up for my free health care?

It will say, Open Bailout Free Stuff Thread.

19 jorline  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:21:20am

re: #5 brennant

I am a newb last round, and came here to read a conservative viewpoint without the lunacy.

You'll get a mixed bag...welcome brennant!

20 Truck Monkey  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:21:32am

I was once a newbie. I remember my first post well. A good bit of snark concerning Linda Ronstadt. Welcome to all who wish to enter. Do play nice.

21 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:21:38am

re: #16 Walter L. Newton

re: #5 brennant


And you have some problems with lunatics?
/

Nothing a shiny object and a good throwing arm can't deal with.

22 brennant  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:21:44am

re: #16 Walter L. Newton

Just tired of the ranting and raving I guess. Tired of nutters like Palin, Paulians etc etc etc...

23 calcajun  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:22:15am

re: #5 brennant

I am a newb last round, and came here to read a conservative viewpoint without the lunacy.

Shame on you for not bringing it with you. Not to worry, though-- plenty of lunacy to go around here.

24 jorline  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:22:22am

re: #16 Walter L. Newton

And you have some problems with lunatics?
/

Not the loons in kilts Walter.
/

25 Bryntröll  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:22:51am

re: #17 calcajun

No i dont think they are drawing again.

Almost everyone i know who reads this page came here through Cox&Forkum originally though.

26 calcajun  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:23:17am

re: #8 Czarny_Smok

Wonder what the survival rate is for newbies...

The same for one-armed Spartan babies?

27 davinvalkri  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:23:49am

re: #5 brennant

I am a newb last round, and came here to read a conservative viewpoint without the lunacy.

Yay! New friend!

28 calcajun  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:23:53am

re: #24 jorline

I wonder what he had under there?/

29 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:24:01am

Someone else needs to offer a bounty on socks today.

30 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:24:40am

re: #26 calcajun

The same for one-armed Spartan babies?

Even less, once Charles opens one of his patented troll-bait/flounce threads (aka evolution, ID, or exposing the idiocy on the right).

31 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:24:45am

re: #29 Dianna

Someone else needs to offer a bounty on socks today.

How much did it cost you the other day?

32 calcajun  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:25:01am

re: #29 Dianna

Someone else needs to offer a bounty on socks today.

Bounty? socks? Laundry puns? perhaps the tide is turning?

33 KenJen  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:25:14am

re: #26 calcajun

re: #8 Czarny_Smok


The same for one-armed Spartan babies?

I watched The 300 last week for the first time. Boy, if I had a dollar for every time the word Spartan was mentioned...

34 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:25:25am

re: #31 debutaunt

How much did it cost you the other day?

$26 total. I paid (on consideration) $2 per sock.

35 brennant  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:25:28am

re: #32 calcajun

Tide? Makes the socks clean and bright...

36 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:25:40am

re: #9 midwestgak

Welcom brennant. You've come to the right site.

btw, the + adds Karma to the lizard you want to upding. hint, hint.

37 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:25:57am

re: #32 calcajun

re: #29 Dianna


Bounty? socks? Laundry puns? perhaps the tide is turning?

What does a pun thread really gain us? We'll just need brain bleach by the time its done.

38 jorline  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:26:11am

re: #28 calcajun

I wonder what he had under there?/

Here?

39 bloodnok  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:26:31am

Welcome sleepers! I look forward to watching some of you make your first comment 4 years from now in an ID thread.

40 Truck Monkey  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:26:59am

re: #32 calcajun

Bounty? socks? Laundry puns? perhaps the tide is turning?

That gives me great cheer. All of us should shout.
/I believe I count the laundry related puns in the 10 words above.

41 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:27:11am

re: #39 bloodnok

Hey- give the beck threads some respect! ;)

42 Lee Coller  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:27:23am

re: #39 bloodnok

Welcome sleepers! I look forward to watching some of you make your first comment 4 years from now in an ID thread.

Or a good idea to bring assault weapons to town hall meetings.

43 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:27:38am

The following Nics are not recommended:

Chuckles
Birther
Nirther
Obamaishitler
Flouncer
Commiehater
Creationistscholar

44 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:27:48am

I'd like to see the LGF Prayer make a return.

45 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:27:59am

re: #43 DaddyG

The following Nics are not recommended:

Chuckles
Birther
Nirther
Obamaishitler
Flouncer
Commiehater
Creationistscholar

Biochemist.

46 brennant  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:28:05am

re: #42 Lee Coller

Or a good idea to bring assault weapons to town hall meetings.

Um... no kidding.

47 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:28:28am

re: #42 Lee Coller

re: #39 bloodnok


Or a good idea to bring assault weapons to town hall meetings.

Ha, "assault weapon". A scary term invented by Josh Sugarmann as part of his own wedge strategy, which has been utterly successful.

/spit

48 bloodnok  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:28:29am

re: #41 Sharmuta

re: #39 bloodnok

Hey- give the beck threads some respect! ;)

Hee hee hee! You know, I really did consider saying "Beck thread" but I am hopeful (if not foolishly optimistic) that he will not be threadworthy 4 years from now.

49 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:28:41am

Interesting...

I just perused the Scotland and Afghan thread, and at the point of posting this comment, not a single one of our progressive Lizard members have chimed in, pro or con on either topic.

Amazing?

No.

50 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:28:42am

re: #43 DaddyG

The following Nics are not recommended:

Chuckles
Birther
Nirther
Obamaishitler
Flouncer
Commiehater
Creationistscholar

Beckfan

51 calcajun  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:28:42am

re: #35 brennant

Not too bright-- they keep getting caught. (sock puppet reference--you'll catch on.)

52 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:28:48am

re: #45 Sharmuta

Biochemist.

ha!...ouch

53 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:28:51am

re: #33 KenJen

re: #26 calcajun


re: #8 Czarny_Smok


The same for one-armed Spartan babies?


I watched The 300 last week for the first time. Boy, if I had a dollar for every time the word Spartan was mentioned...

Yelled more like. The producers of 300 probably had to invest heavily in shamwows to keep the set from drowning in spit.

54 Flyovercountry  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:29:26am

re: #5 brennant

I am a newb last round, and came here to read a conservative viewpoint without the lunacy.

I think you'll find that you'll get plenty of posts from both sides of the dial. Hopefully they'll be well thought out and reasoned arguments. The term I've read more than once is anti-idiotarian. From what I've seen, Charles is serious about the play nice rule.

55 calcajun  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:29:47am

re: #49 Walter L. Newton

Perhaps they DO work?

56 jorline  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:29:55am

re: #43 DaddyG

The following Nics are not recommended:

Chuckles
Birther
Nirther
Obamaishitler
Flouncer
Commiehater
Creationistscholar

LUAP NOR

57 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:30:09am

re: #41 Sharmuta

Hey- give the beck threads some respect! ;)

The Beck-orer has new clothes?

58 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:30:18am

re: #55 calcajun

Perhaps they DO work?

I think they're just ashamed.

59 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:31:02am

re: #43 DaddyG

The following Nics are not recommended:

Chuckles
Birther
Nirther
Obamaishitler
Flouncer
Commiehater
Creationistscholar

Also:

Iamnotasockpuppet
Iveneverbeenbanned
alovetogetwhacked

60 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:31:33am

re: #59 midwestgak

Also:

Iamnotasockpuppet
Iveneverbeenbanned
alovetogetwhacked

ILovePamela

61 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:31:36am

re: #11 debutaunt

Oh, we have some loons.

NO WE DON'T!!

GET OFF MY PHONE!!

GET OFF MY PHONE!!

62 jorline  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:31:42am

re: #43 DaddyG

The following Nics are not recommended:

Chuckles
Birther
Nirther
Obamaishitler
Flouncer
Commiehater
Creationistscholar

BeckNapolitano

63 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:31:55am

And remember, if you don't like the topic of the thread, just state you don't like it and tell Charles what he should post instead. He LOVES that!

/

64 calcajun  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:32:03am

re: #59 midwestgak

alovetogetwhacked

I know a few you could get behind that one.../

65 keithgabryelski  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:32:03am

re: #56 jorline

LUAP NOR

Speaking of that, it is Ron Paul's birthday today.

66 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:32:08am

The Birch Society exposes another conspiracy...
Agent Provocateurs (via google search)

There can be no doubt that among the “friends” we see at such events are scattered among them enemies to make our movement look bad and "extremist," as well as others who never seem to understand how to sell themselves or their positions on the issues. The media will always seek these people out and it is these folks will represent the entire body of people in attendance and who are shown on the evening news. It will not matter if all other attendees are dressed professionally, the media will find that one person who fits the extremist label and focus on him.

For many years our movement has been the victim of individuals and organizations whose primary job it is to embarrass us. Often, it does not come from the Left, it comes from our own government in the form of “informants,” what the media calls government-hired agent provocateurs.

67 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:32:09am

re: #59 midwestgak

re: #43 DaddyG


Also:

Iamnotasockpuppet
Iveneverbeenbanned
alovetogetwhacked

BannedintheLGF
nodrog
gordon2
gordon3
...

68 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:32:11am

If any of you noobs can tap dance, I'm in need of entertainment until 4PM EST.

69 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:32:15am
70 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:32:17am

I am so irritated.

My NAS has fallen off the net. Again. So I have to shut down. Again. So I can synchronize. Again.

I am sooo irate.

71 Truck Monkey  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:32:18am

re: #60 Ward Cleaver

ILovePamela

Or anything related to Atlas and or Shrugged.

72 calcajun  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:32:26am

re: #61 Last Mohican

NO WE DON'T!!

GET OFF MY PHONE!!

GET OFF MY PHONE!!

More tin foil on aisle 5!

73 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:32:42am

re: #62 jorline

re: #43 DaddyG


BeckNapolitano

Iamnotthesockpuppetyouarelookingfor

74 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:32:46am

re: #65 keithgabryelski

Speaking of that, it is Ron Paul's birthday today.

Awww.

75 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:32:48am

re: #2 midwestgak

Welcome all newbies. Remember, Spell check is you friend.

This, from someone who misspelled "gal".

/humor

76 jorline  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:33:16am

re: #65 keithgabryelski

Speaking of that, it is Ron Paul's birthday today.

*spit*

77 Truck Monkey  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:33:25am

re: #68 SasquatchOnSteroids

If any of you noobs can tap dance, I'm in need of entertainment until 4PM EST.

You don't have a staff for that? ; )

78 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:33:27am

re: #65 keithgabryelski

Speaking of that, it is Ron Paul's birthday today.

Haven't seen his long form yet...

79 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:33:31am

re: #71 Truck Monkey

re: #60 Ward Cleaver


Or anything related to Atlas and or Shrugged.

You mean I can't have a sock named "ObamaShrugged"?

Dang.

Is "SpaceMuhammed" still available?

/

80 calcajun  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:33:45am

re: #65 keithgabryelski

God let him have another one, eh? Oh well.

81 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:33:46am

re: #76 jorline

*spit*

you don't like birthdays?

82 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:33:51am

re: #66 Killgore Trout

Who is this "Art Thompson"?

83 Last Mohican  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:33:52am

re: #72 calcajun

More tin foil on aisle 5!

Ah, thanks. That's more like it.

For a minute there, the cars.gov website had gotten inside of me and started controlling my thoughts.

84 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:34:02am

re: #63 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And remember, if you don't like the topic of the thread, just state you don't like it and tell Charles what he should post instead. He LOVES that!

/

Oh yeah, and this "/" is called a sarcasm tag. It generally means that what precedes it is not to be taken seriously.

85 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:34:23am

re: #49 Walter L. Newton

Interesting...

I just perused the Scotland and Afghan thread, and at the point of posting this comment, not a single one of our progressive Lizard members have chimed in, pro or con on either topic.

Amazing?

No.

Activists were given the day off today.

They work very hard participating in organized "blog banks."

86 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:34:52am

re: #84 CyanSnowHawk

re: #63 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


Oh yeah, and this "/" is called a sarcasm tag. It generally means that what precedes it is not to be taken seriously.

In other words it works much the same way as the nics of our loyal liberal posters.

/I kid, I tease...

87 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:34:59am

re: #77 Truck Monkey

You don't have a staff for that? ; )

The staff here makes you weep.
It is a miracle noone has lost an eye yet.

88 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:35:00am

re: #84 CyanSnowHawk

re: #63 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


Oh yeah, and this "/" is called a sarcasm tag. It generally means that what precedes it is not to be taken seriously.

I had tried to put that in, but I think I used some html code in the example so it got removed

89 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:35:05am

re: #84 CyanSnowHawk

re: #63 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


Oh yeah, and this "/" is called a sarcasm tag. It generally means that what precedes it is not to be taken seriously.

My nic should end with one of those.

90 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:35:06am

re: #65 keithgabryelski

re: #56 jorline


Speaking of that, it is Ron Paul's birthday today.

It's also Robert Plant's birthday.


91 jorline  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:35:10am

re: #73 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Iamnotthesockpuppetyouarelookingfor

stockerbloagsockpuppet

92 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:35:17am

More bad user names:

I Heart VB
Darwin Sucks
BNP Forever

93 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:35:23am

re: #71 Truck Monkey

re: #60 Ward Cleaver


Or anything related to Atlas and or Shrugged.

Who's John Galt?

/just listening to the novel now. Completely Unabridged as well.

94 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:35:24am

mmm Chick-fil-a spicy chicken sandwich supreme. Any new lizards yet?

95 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:35:30am

re: #82 Dianna

Mr. Art Thompson is the Chief Executive Officer of The John Birch Society

96 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:35:32am

re: #90 MandyManners

It's also Robert Plant's birthday.

[Video]

Excellent!

97 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:35:36am

It's time to feel that Obama-economic love in NYC. For the first time, the NYC unemployment rate is now above the national average.

The number of unemployed New Yorkers rose to 402,200, tying the highest total for any month in the 33 years on record, according to the department’s figures. The only other time the city had as many unemployed people was in July 1992, in the middle of the last long and deep recession in the metropolitan region.

The July rate, up from 9.4 percent in June, was the highest for the city in more than 12 years. The rise came during a month that unemployment rates for the rest of the state and the nation dipped from their recent peaks: The state’s unemployment rate declined to 8.6 percent, from 8.7 percent in June, according to the Labor Department, and the national rate slipped to 9.4 percent from 9.5 percent last month.

James Brown, an analyst for the department, said the latest data indicate that the recession could take longer to run its course in the city. “Although the national economy is showing some signs of bottoming out, the outlook for the city’s economy remains weak into 2010,” Mr. Brown said.

And as I've noted in the past, it takes some creative math to get those one-month declines, because they no longer treat people who have given up searching for jobs as unemployed - shrinking the pool of people captured in the statistics.

98 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:35:39am

re: #90 MandyManners


Picture of trees, Mandy.

99 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:35:50am

If I could start over again I'd go with Karmawhore

100 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:36:02am

re: #85 Ben Hur

Activists were given the day off today.

They work very hard participating in organized "blog banks."

That's not true. They were very busy this morning until those two thread went up, and they, vanished.

Any surprise?

101 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:36:03am

re: #92 Sharmuta

More bad user names:

I Heart VB
Darwin Sucks
BNP Forever

ViennaGater

102 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:36:13am

re: #71 Truck Monkey

Or anything related to Atlas and or Shrugged.

No, just "Atlas Shrugs," Pam's blog. Ayn Rand's book is still appreciated here.

103 The Left  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:36:29am

re: #1 Sharmuta

Dear Newbies-

Welcome to LGF! If you need something to help break the commenting ice, how about telling us what brought you to LGF? Always an interesting story. Hope you have fun, just remember to play nice.

Sincerely, Sharmuta

Hey!

:)

j/k

104 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:36:32am

re: #91 jorline

stockerbloagsockpuppet

Obiwonsock.

105 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:36:39am

re: #91 jorline

re: #73 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


stockerbloagsockpuppet

lostmygenitalsinfreakyogaaccident

106 calcajun  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:36:47am

re: #90 MandyManners

The kid doin' better today? Rather, are you doin' better?

107 jorline  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:36:53am

re: #81 albusteve

you don't like birthdays?

Only friends...hey, how come you didn't invite me to your party.

/smells under arms

108 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:36:54am

re: #75 Son of the Black Dog

This, from someone who misspelled "gal".

/humor

See what I mean?

109 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:37:03am

re: #95 Killgore Trout

re: #82 Dianna

Mr. Art Thompson is the Chief Executive Officer of The John Birch SocietyBirch John Society

(for the preservation of wooden toilet seats). FIFY

110 PAUL_MACDONALD  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:37:05am

Finally. It's good to be here. The last sane place for the right of centre.

I gave up on HotAir.

111 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:37:06am

re: #95 Killgore Trout

Mr. Art Thompson is the Chief Executive Officer of The John Birch Society

That explains it.

112 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:37:10am

re: #87 SasquatchOnSteroids

re: #77 Truck Monkey


The staff here makes you weep.
It is a miracle noone has lost an eye yet.

Peggy Noonen lost and eye? I didn't know that.

113 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:37:19am

re: #94 turn

mmm Chick-fil-a spicy chicken sandwich supreme. Any new lizards yet?

Speaking of product placement: Fred Myer has whole Coho salmon on sale for $4.99/lbs. I loaded up.

114 Lee Coller  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:37:27am

Open registration started 20 minutes ago, yet I haven't seen a new lizard yet?

Newbies, introduce yourselves.

115 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:37:29am

re: #100 Walter L. Newton

re: #85 Ben Hur


That's not true. They were very busy this morning until those two thread went up, and they, vanished.

Any surprise?

Emergency volunteer committee web conference call?

116 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:37:47am

re: #103 iceweasel

Any update on the links you said you were going to find for me?

117 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:37:48am

re: #110 PAUL_MACDONALD

Finally. It's good to be here. The last sane place for the right of centre.

I gave up on HotAir.

Well, let me be the first to say welcome and E I E I O

118 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:37:49am

re: #110 PAUL_MACDONALD

Finally. It's good to be here. The last sane place for the right of centre.

I gave up on HotAir.

Welcome to LGF!

119 Czarny_Smok  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:37:50am

re: #92 Sharmuta

More bad user names:

I Heart VB
Darwin Sucks
BNP Forever

What do you have against good Aussie beer? VB=Victoria Bitters!

120 jorline  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:37:53am

re: #91 jorline

stockerbloagsockpuppet

how did that a get in there?

121 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:38:10am

Welp, here come the socks. 35 hatchlings, 2 puppets so far.

122 brazilofmux  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:38:24am

I've been lurking here since the Killian documents controversy (2004). After five years, registering seemed to be the polite thing to do.

123 Lee Coller  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:38:37am

re: #110 PAUL_MACDONALD

Finally. It's good to be here. The last sane place for the right of centre.

I gave up on HotAir.

Welcome to LGF?

124 Lee Coller  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:39:01am

re: #123 Lee Coller

Welcome to LGF?

How did that ? get there?

125 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:39:12am
126 davinvalkri  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:39:19am

re: #110 PAUL_MACDONALD

Finally. It's good to be here. The last sane place for the right of centre.

I gave up on HotAir.

Whee! More new friends! Welcome to Little Green Footballs, here under the Denver International Airport! Watch the morlocks, and we're sorry about the rotting troll meat and exploded brain matter...

127 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:39:21am

Eatmysock.

128 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:39:23am

re: #110 PAUL_MACDONALD

Finally. It's good to be here. The last sane place for the right of centre.

I gave up on HotAir.

Welcome. Bar is over there, next to the buffet. → → →
Don't forget to clean up your shells as well.

129 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:39:27am

re: #111 Dianna

From his bio...

Prior to joining The John Birch Society, Mr. Thompson was active in infiltrating Marxist organizations in the Pacific Northwest. He worked with the State Chairman of the American Legion’s Committee on Un-American Activities and the Seattle Police Intelligence Squad’s investigations. He, along with his colleagues, was instrumental in thwarting many terrorist and communist plans in the area


Lol

130 Spider Mensch  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:39:37am

wow..hey walter..it's like beetlejuice..ask about our resident lib/progressives in 3 posts and one shows up...cool..do it again!

131 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:39:40am

re: #92 Sharmuta

More bad user names:

I Heart VB
Darwin Sucks
BNP Forever


Or

GlennBeckRules
BringItOnCharles
WillFlounce4Derision

132 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:39:40am

re: #110 PAUL_MACDONALD

Finally. It's good to be here. The last sane place for the right of centre.

I gave up on HotAir.

Welcome Paul, at the moment you have a 5:1 karma to post ratio. Let's see you try and keep that up! ha.

133 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:39:51am

re: #107 jorline

Only friends...hey, how come you didn't invite me to your party.

/smells under arms

your gift selection stinks

134 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:39:52am

re: #113 Killgore Trout

re: #94 turn


Speaking of product placement: Fred Myer has whole Coho salmon on sale for $4.99/lbs. I loaded up.

Yum, just bought dungeness crab from Safeway.

135 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:39:56am

re: #110 PAUL_MACDONALD

Finally. It's good to be here. The last sane place for the right of centre.

I gave up on HotAir.

AllahPundit will miss you.

136 brennant  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:39:59am

re: #121 Charles

Welp, here come the socks. 35 hatchlings, 2 puppets so far.

Master of puppets.

137 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:40:04am

re: #95 Killgore Trout

Mr. Art Thompson is the Chief Executive Officer of The John Birch Society

So he's not Artie, John's son then.
/

138 jorline  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:40:06am

re: #105 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

lostmygenitalsinfreakyogaaccident

turdinthepunchbowl

139 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:40:24am

re: #112 turn

Peggy Noonen lost and eye? I didn't know that.

This is how rumors get started.

140 calcajun  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:40:24am

Ah...

Time to return to the salt mine.

Later.

141 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:40:31am

re: #113 Killgore Trout

re: #94 turn


Speaking of product placement: Fred Myer has whole Coho salmon on sale for $4.99/lbs. I loaded up.

Is that a grocery store in Portland? Excellent price. Smoke some.

142 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:40:35am

re: #138 jorline

turdinthepunchbowl

StealthDownDinger

143 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:40:52am

re: #124 Lee Coller

How did that ? get there?

It's called "posting." //

144 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:40:57am

re: #129 Killgore Trout

From his bio...


Lol

Sigh.

The worst of it? He probably wrote that himself.

145 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:41:09am

re: #131 Silvergirl

Or

GlennBeckRules
BringItOnCharles
WillFlounce4Derision

Rodan Is Right
Lizards Suck
Chuck Stinks
Bite Me Stinky

146 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:41:14am

re: #121 Charles

Welp, here come the socks. 35 hatchlings, 2 puppets so far.

A matched pair of socks?

147 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:41:16am

re: #117 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LOL

148 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:41:25am

re: #138 jorline

re: #105 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


turdinthepunchbowl

deucepuck

149 Truck Monkey  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:42:04am

re: #141 turn

Is that a grocery store in Portland? Excellent price. Smoke some.

What kind of high comes from Salmon?
/

150 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:42:23am

re: #122 brazilofmux

I've been lurking here since the Killian documents controversy (2004). After five years, registering seemed to be the polite thing to do.

Oh man, a serial lurker. oh noes - welcome

151 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:42:24am

re: #145 Sharmuta

Rodan Is Right
Lizards Suck
Chuck Stinks
Bite Me Stinky

Cutest Savage
Killgore Free Footballs

152 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:42:26am

re: #142 Pianobuff

re: #138 jorline


StealthDownDinger

blueherron

153 The Left  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:42:47am

re: #49 Walter L. Newton

Interesting...

I just perused the Scotland and Afghan thread, and at the point of posting this comment, not a single one of our progressive Lizard members have chimed in, pro or con on either topic.

Amazing?

Not at all.

We've been having a meeting of all Comrades. The two-minute Hate is followed by the Four-Hour Free Love.

We'll get back to you. :)

154 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:42:57am

There are a couple of people previously banned that I'm allowing to re-register, but they'll be monitored.

155 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:43:06am

re: #152 MandyManners

blueherron

Gorden

156 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:43:08am

re: #105 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #91 jorline


re: #73 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


stockerbloagsockpuppet


lostmygenitalsinfreakyogaaccident

Or so I heard, anyway.

Tragic.

157 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:43:10am

re: #151 Pvt Bin Jammin

re: #145 Sharmuta


Cutest Savage
Killgore Free Footballs

Flouncy McFlouncester

158 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:43:14am

re: #136 brennant

For whom the bell tolls? Socks to be them.

159 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:43:30am

re: #154 Charles

There are a couple of people previously banned that I'm allowing to re-register, but they'll be monitored.

Oooh, this could get interesting.

160 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:43:52am

re: #149 Truck Monkey

re: #141 turn


What kind of high comes from Salmon?
/

It tends to make one flakey.

161 The Left  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:44:11am

re: #116 Walter L. Newton

Any update on the links you said you were going to find for me?

Hi Walter! How are you?
Forgive me, I've been really busy. I haven't forgotten though and promise to get back to you.

162 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:44:42am

re: #145 Sharmuta

eeep!

163 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:44:44am

re: #131 Silvergirl

Or

GlennBeckRules
BringItOnCharles
WillFlounce4Derision

And:
Iregisteredin2004too
huffpoismyfriend
reidposisefrank

164 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:44:49am

re: #154 Charles

There are a couple of people previously banned that I'm allowing to re-register, but they'll be monitored.

May we ask which ones?

165 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:44:50am

re: #153 iceweasel

Not at all.

We've been having a meeting of all Comrades. The two-minute Hate is followed by the Four-Hour Free Love.

We'll get back to you. :)

Good. And I am still interested in those links you said you were going to try to find, the ones on the big money behind all the health care protestors.

166 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:44:51am

re: #157 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Flouncy McFlouncester

RowDan

167 brennant  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:44:52am

re: #158 lawhawk

For whom the bell tolls? Socks to be them.

Time marches on...

168 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:44:54am

re: #122 brazilofmux

I've been lurking here since the Killian documents controversy (2004). After five years, registering seemed to be the polite thing to do.

Good lord, I don't think I've ever seen such a high time/comment ratio here.

169 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:44:55am

re: #151 Pvt Bin Jammin

Killgore Free Footballs

Ha!

170 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:45:06am

re: #159 Ward Cleaver

Oooh, this could get interesting.

you can see them with Lizard Vision goggles

171 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:45:15am

re: #164 MandyManners

May we ask which ones?

I think we'll find out sooner or later.

172 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:45:35am

re: #154 Charles

There are a couple of people previously banned that I'm allowing to re-register, but they'll be monitored.

Are we going to have to figure it out for ourselves? That will be fun.

173 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:45:40am

re: #171 Ward Cleaver

With a dead cat flounce?

174 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:45:41am

re: #161 iceweasel

Hi Walter! How are you?
Forgive me, I've been really busy. I haven't forgotten though and promise to get back to you.

Thanks.

175 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:45:48am

re: #132 turn

Welcome Paul, at the moment you have a 5:1 karma to post ratio. Let's see you try and keep that up! ha.

Click on the green football, you'll see what turn is talking about.

176 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:45:50am

Don't you love socks?
Acting like fools?
One who keeps shooting themself,
Right in the foot.
Where are the trolls?
Send in the trolls.

Cerebral farts?
Nonsense I fear.
I thought that you'd read what I post.
If its not clear.
But where are the trolls?
Quick, send in the trolls.
Don't bother, they're here.

177 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:46:01am

re: #164 MandyManners

May we ask which ones?

no...that would be innapropriate imo

178 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:46:04am

re: #172 doppelganglander

Are we going to have to figure it out for ourselves? That will be fun.

Use of the c-word will be a dead giveaway.

179 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:46:13am

re: #169 Sharmuta

LOL That used to show up in google search.

180 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:46:17am

re: #97 lawhawk

It's time to feel that Obama-economic love in NYC. For the first time, the NYC unemployment rate is now above the national average.

And as I've noted in the past, it takes some creative math to get those one-month declines, because they no longer treat people who have given up searching for jobs as unemployed - shrinking the pool of people captured in the statistics.

Lies, damned lies, and government statistics.

181 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:46:22am

re: #154 Charles

There are a couple of people previously banned that I'm allowing to re-register, but they'll be monitored.

You have lizard sized ankle bracelets?

182 pingjockey  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:46:38am

Afternoon lizards! How's it going? Hmmm...allow some oldies to come back, kewl.

183 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:46:39am

re: #154 Charles

Charles, would it be cool to offer a monthly bounty on sock-poppets?

184 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:46:49am

re: #138 jorline

turdinthepunchbowl

LOL {jorline}

185 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:46:52am

I tried to register sarahpalinforever but it keeps telling me Cato the Elder is already take.

///

186 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:47:07am

re: #183 Dianna

Charles, would it be cool to offer a monthly bounty on sock-poppets?

A free pair of tube socks?

187 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:47:16am

re: #163 midwestgak

And:
Iregisteredin2004too
huffpoismyfriend
reidposisefrank


IMissJimmyCarter
I_am_CynthiaMcKinney

188 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:47:37am

re: #145 Sharmuta

Rodan Is Right
Lizards Suck
Chuck Stinks
Bite Me Stinky

Savage World
Savage State
Another cute guy

189 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:47:56am

re: #154 Charles

There are a couple of people previously banned that I'm allowing to re-register, but they'll be monitored.

I think if you have to ban them again, they should first have to meet with an LGF Death Panel.

/

190 pingjockey  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:48:21am

I just wish the black sock hole in my dryer would quit eating my boys socks. I have at least 13 single socks with no sign of their better half anywhere!

191 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:48:23am

re: #181 CyanSnowHawk

re: #154 Charles


You have lizard sized ankle bracelets?

Bracelets? Heck he uses his lizardoid high tech and microchips them.

/*beep beep*

192 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:48:24am

re: #185 SasquatchOnSteroids

I tried to register sarahpalinforever but it keeps telling me Cato the Elder is already take.

///

taken, moron, taken.
Let this be a lesson, PIMF.

193 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:48:25am

re: #187 Silvergirl

re: #163 midwestgak


IMissJimmyCarter
I_am_CynthiaMcKinney

IamCynthiaMcKinneyshairstylist

194 Lee Coller  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:48:29am

re: #189 Occasional Reader

I think if you have to ban them again, they should first have to meet with an LGF Death Panel.

/

Isn't that Stinky and Charles?

195 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:48:30am

re: #187 Silvergirl

IMissJimmyCarter
I_am_CynthiaMcKinney

Son of a Birch

196 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:48:36am

re: #187 Silvergirl

IMissJimmyCarter
I_am_CynthiaMcKinney

RatherWasRight

197 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:48:53am

re: #187 Silvergirl

re: #163 midwestgak


IMissJimmyCarter
I_am_CynthiaMcKinney

Obama is my Copilot

198 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:49:05am

re: #134 debutaunt

re: #113 Killgore Trout


re: #94 turn


Speaking of product placement: Fred Myer has whole Coho salmon on sale for $4.99/lbs. I loaded up.


Yum, just bought dungeness crab from Safeway.

Best crab cocktail anywhere ...

[Link: www.yelp.com...]

Hey Dianna, you ever been there?

199 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:49:14am

re: #185 SasquatchOnSteroids

I tried to register sarahpalinforever but it keeps telling me Cato the Elder is already take.

///

Ooooh... Catoheartsarah

200 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:49:15am

re: #190 pingjockey

I just wish the black sock hole in my dryer would quit eating my boys socks. I have at least 13 single socks with no sign of their better half anywhere!

You didn't start with 7 pairs did you?
/

201 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:49:25am

CatolovesSarah.

202 NospamforMO  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:49:31am

Now I AM someone. Feels great to be here!

203 The Left  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:49:46am

re: #165 Walter L. Newton

Good. And I am still interested in those links you said you were going to try to find, the ones on the big money behind all the health care protestors.

Yeah, I did answer you above about that-- I promise I will, I've just been busy. I also have a health care article DF recommended to me that I have to check out too. I'm not avoiding the topic, I promise-- just a combination of business and laziness on my part.

Plus the meeting of all Comrades, of course. :)

204 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:49:58am

re: #190 pingjockey

I just wish the black sock hole in my dryer would quit eating my boys socks. I have at least 13 single socks with no sign of their better half anywhere!

Do what I did for myself a long time ago. Just buy batches of the same style. That way when one goes missing, or gets too ragged it can be matched up with another one that lost it's mate.

205 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:50:00am

re: #196 Ward Cleaver

RatherWasRight

Shapeshifting LaRouchian

206 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:50:00am

re: #164 MandyManners

May we ask which ones?

Last open registration Charles listed all the newbies. Maybe he'll do it again today.

207 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:50:00am

re: #198 turn

Best crab cocktail anywhere ...

[Link: www.yelp.com...]

Hey Dianna, you ever been there?

No, I don't think so.

208 Truck Monkey  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:50:02am

re: #193 MandyManners

IamCynthiaMcKinneyshairstylist

That would be Buckwheat. Who was it that had the Capitol Dome hair style? Was it Sheila Jackson Lee?

209 pingjockey  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:50:12am

re: #200 CyanSnowHawk

Heh! Why would you think that?! Mwahahaha!

210 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:50:14am

I've toyed with the idea of having a sock named RudeCrudeMcNastyDude.

211 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:50:14am

re: #122 brazilofmux

I've been lurking here since the Killian documents controversy (2004). After five years, registering seemed to be the polite thing to do.

That's OK, I got here then, but lurked a long time before I registered.

212 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:50:17am

re: #139 Silvergirl

re: #112 turn


This is how rumors get started.

Oh, I left off the sarc tag, my bad girl.

213 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:50:33am

re: #141 turn

Is that a grocery store in Portland? Excellent price. Smoke some.

Yeah, It's a local chain. I bought almost $100 bucks worth. I'll fillet them this afternoon, Brine them overnight, then cold smoke them using this method...
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

214 PAUL_MACDONALD  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:50:37am

re: #135 Dianna

He doesn't miss me now, as far as I can tell. Last time I glanced at the comments, it was just unhinged. I gave up trying to use reason and decided to preserve my sanity.

For those that care, and some might (who knows?) I went by Krydor over there.

215 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:50:47am

re: #154 Charles

There are a couple of people previously banned that I'm allowing to re-register, but they'll be monitored.

WRATH!!!

216 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:50:56am

re: #202 NospamforMO

Now I AM someone.

Jesse Jackson? Is that you?

217 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:51:09am

re: #178 Ward Cleaver

Use of the c-word will be a dead giveaway.

Chocolate?

218 pingjockey  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:51:17am

Damn. Laundry bell is the ring of doom.

219 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:51:21am

re: #208 Truck Monkey

re: #193 MandyManners


That would be Buckwheat. Who was it that had the Capitol Dome hair style? Was it Sheila Jackson Lee?

McKinney gets hers done at Fork-in-the-Toaster Salon.

220 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:51:30am

re: #203 iceweasel

Yeah, I did answer you above about that-- I promise I will, I've just been busy. I also have a health care article DF recommended to me that I have to check out too. I'm not avoiding the topic, I promise-- just a combination of business and laziness on my part.

Plus the meeting of all Comrades, of course. :)

Yes, I saw your answer above, we were cross-posting (swing both ways?),

Death to Big Brother!

221 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:51:38am

re: #214 PAUL_MACDONALD

Hopefully hot air's loss will be our gain.

222 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:51:41am

re: #210 MandyManners

I've toyed with the idea of having a sock named RudeCrudeMcNastyDude.

RUhappynow? would be a good sock for you.

223 KenJen  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:51:42am

What do we call a previously banned Lizard that is allowed back?

224 Desert Dog  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:51:45am

re: #202 NospamforMO

Now I AM someone. Feels great to be here!

Welcome, Spam! Well, not welcome to spam the mail, but certainly to Spam the new Lizard!

225 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:51:53am

re: #149 Truck Monkey

re: #141 turn


What kind of high comes from Salmon?
/

If you can manage to keep the shit lit you can really get a buzz. Last time I tried it I was seeing sardines man.

226 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:51:56am

re: #193 MandyManners

re: #187 Silvergirl


re: #163 midwestgak


IMissJimmyCarter
I_am_CynthiaMcKinney


IamCynthiaMcKinneyshairstylist

...and electrician.

227 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:52:00am

re: #210 MandyManners

I've toyed with the idea of having a sock named RudeCrudeMcNastyDude.

Stating the evident again? :)

228 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:52:00am

re: #215 Ben Hur

WRATH!!!

shit...the Wrevenge of God

229 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:52:12am

re: #215 Ben Hur

re: #154 Charles


WRATH!!!

No no no, it's

KHHHAAANNN!

Sheesh, you have to watch that movie again, refresh your memory.

/

230 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:52:14am

re: #210 MandyManners

I've toyed with the idea of having a sock named RudeCrudeMcNastyDude.

rockwieldingprimitive. I think I used that name awhile ago. Back before the sock puppet madness got crazy. It's gotten dusty and lonely.

231 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:52:18am

re: #223 KenJen

What do we call a previously banned Lizard that is allowed back?

Leftovers.

232 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:52:20am

re: #222 DaddyG

re: #210 MandyManners


RUfuckinghappynow? would be a good sock for you.

Slight tweak.

233 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:52:20am

re: #223 KenJen

What do we call a previously banned Lizard that is allowed back?

Whipped.

234 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:52:29am

re: #223 KenJen

What do we call a previously banned Lizard that is allowed back?

be nice

235 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:52:38am

re: #219 MandyManners

McKinney gets hers done at Fork-in-the-Toaster Salon.

For her hair to do that she must have the constitution of Uncle Fester.
Has anyone asked her to hold a light bulb?

236 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:52:45am

re: #154 Charles

There are a couple of people previously banned that I'm allowing to re-register, but they'll be monitored.

Well that is very generous of ya Charles.

237 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:52:48am

re: #223 KenJen

What do we call a previously banned Lizard that is allowed back?

A monitored monitor?
A re-newed Newt?

238 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:52:49am

re: #223 KenJen

What do we call a previously banned Lizard that is allowed back?

A gecko? (Gets its tail pulled off, scampers away, comes back with new tail)

239 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:52:55am

re: #223 KenJen

What do we call a previously banned Lizard that is allowed back?

Rerun?

240 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:53:03am

re: #227 Walter L. Newton

re: #210 MandyManners


Stating the evident again? :)

thhhpppttt

241 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:53:10am

re: #231 Sharmuta

Leftovers.

ahaa!
2pts

242 Bryntröll  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:53:16am

Some responses from the Swedish ambassador in Tel Aviv, criticizing Aftonbladets allegations of organ trafficking:

Image: 20s10-udfax-271_jp_1001442l.jpg

After receiving criticism from the media, the article is now nowhere to be found...
[Link: www.swedenabroad.com...]

243 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:53:17am

re: #223 KenJen

What do we call a previously banned Lizard that is allowed back?


Lizaretread

244 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:53:26am

re: #223 KenJen

What do we call a previously banned Lizard that is allowed back?

Chastened.

245 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:53:42am

re: #160 MandyManners

re: #149 Truck Monkey


re: #141 turn


What kind of high comes from Salmon?
/


It tends to make one flakey.


And your eyes turn pink too.

246 jaunte  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:54:00am

re: #223 KenJen

What do we call a previously banned Lizard that is allowed back?

Stubby.

247 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:54:01am

re: #202 NospamforMO

Now I AM someone. Feels great to be here!

Welcome nospam. Why did you chose your nic?

248 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:54:05am

re: #154 Charles

There are a couple of people previously banned that I'm allowing to re-register, but they'll be monitored.

Cool..An ankle bracelet!

249 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:54:31am

re: #223 KenJen

What do we call a previously banned Lizard that is allowed back?

Echo Gecko.

250 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:54:55am

re: #248 HoosierHoops

Cool..An ankle bracelet!

Only on the girl lizards. Otherwise, it's just tacky.

251 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:54:57am

I'm a little late to this party, but remember there are rules for this party as posted above, always posted above. Many a commentor got banned for not following the house rules. A restatement:

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*REMEMBER: posting comments at LGF is a privilege, not a right. Abuse that privilege, and your account will be blocked.

Follow them, and you will live long and prosper here. Violate them only at your own account's peril.

252 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:55:00am

dang one phone call and I'm like 100 posts behind. This thread is rocking.

253 Desert Dog  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:55:00am

re: #223 KenJen

What do we call a previously banned Lizard that is allowed back?

Lucky, with a dash of thankful

254 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:55:19am

re: #219 MandyManners

McKinney gets hers done at Fork-in-the-Toaster Salon.

Hairstyling and electroshock treatments all in one!

255 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:55:22am

re: #238 Occasional Reader

re: #223 KenJen


A gecko? (Gets its tail pulled off, scampers away, comes back with new tail)

Skinks do that, too.

256 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:55:36am

You Scare Me

Lou Pritchett

AN OPEN LETTER TO PRESIDENT OBAMA

257 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:55:48am

re: #223 KenJen

What do we call a previously banned Lizard that is allowed back?

Damn lucky.

258 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:55:53am

Dang, the joint is jumping.

259 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:55:57am

re: #248 HoosierHoops

re: #154 Charles


Cool..An ankle bracelet!

Speaking of which... someone was just showing me an iPhone app that uses the location service function to identify registered sex (and other?) offenders within X miles of your location. Complete with photos and a description of their conviction (and, of course, full address).

Is it just me, or is there something 1984-ily creepy about this?

260 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:56:01am

re: #223 KenJen

What do we call a previously banned Lizard that is allowed back?

Temporary.

261 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:56:10am

re: #168 CyanSnowHawk

no sheeot

262 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:56:21am

Here is a great avatar for a newbie.

Spider-Man Lizard

263 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:56:22am

re: #257 midwestgak

re: #223 KenJen


Damn lucky.

AMEN.

264 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:56:26am

I'm not a new lizard but I'll play one for he welocme Karma. /

265 jorline  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:56:34am

re: #184 midwestgak

LOL {jorline}

{gak}...good to see you girl!

As usual I'm in and out.

266 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:56:42am

re: #233 Walter L. Newton

Whipped.

No. Humbled.

267 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:56:47am

re: #259 Occasional Reader

Speaking of which... someone was just showing me an iPhone app that uses the location service function to identify registered sex (and other?) offenders within X miles of your location. Complete with photos and a description of their conviction (and, of course, full address).

Is it just me, or is there something 1984-ily creepy about this?

"It's for the children."

268 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:57:03am

re: #258 MandyManners

I hope Ben Hur's not around.

269 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:57:04am

re: #258 MandyManners

Dang, the joint is jumping.

Try to get it in a firmer grasp between your thumb and index finger.

270 irish rose  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:57:13am

Welcome, hatchinlings!

Pamela is going on about Aqsa Parvez again today.
The manner in which she has exploited this young girls death to self-promote, just makes me want to gag.

271 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:57:13am

re: #242 Bryntröll

Some responses from the Swedish ambassador in Tel Aviv, criticizing Aftonbladets allegations of organ trafficking:

[Link: gfx.aftonbladet-cdn.se...]

After receiving criticism from the media, the article is now nowhere to be found...
[Link: www.swedenabroad.com...]

The Swedish government distanced themselves, not from the article, but from the ambassador's criticism of the article.

The Swedish government distanced itself Thursday from an ambassador's condemnation of an article accusing Israeli troops of stealing Palestinian Authority Arabs' organs. The Swedish Foreign Ministry clarified that, unlike Ambassador to Israel Elisabet Borsiin Bonnier, it does not view the article as “appalling.”

Bonnier's condemnation “was solely the judgment of the embassy, and designed for an Israeli audience,” the ministry said. “However, the Swedish government is committed to freedom of the press.”

A government spokesman confirmed that Sweden's government did not agree with ambassador Bonnier's response. Members of Sweden's Green Party went further, and said Bonnier should be called back to Sweden for having made statements opposing free speech.


The Swedish government apparently thinks jooos are appalling, not antisemitism.
And I think the editor of the "newspaper" thinks the article is accurate:

The editor of Aftonbladet has rejected criticism of the article, and accused his opponents of “using centuries-old anti-Semitic images,” such as that of European blood libels, “in an apparent attempt to get an obviously topical issue off the table.” The editor, Jan Helin, said that “a strong propaganda machine” was behind the appalled reactions to the story.
272 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:57:23am

re: #182 pingjockey

Afternoon lizards! How's it going? Hmmm...allow some oldies to come back, kewl.

Hey ping, what's happening in western WA?

273 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:57:42am

re: #264 DaddyG

I'm not a new lizard but I'll play one for he welocme Karma. /

Quit your whoring. Save it for the LNDT. :)

274 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:57:58am

re: #262 Ben Hur

Here is a great avatar for a newbie.

Spider-Man Lizard

Nice looking. I want to be Spider-Woman so I can have that.

275 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:58:00am

re: #259 Occasional Reader

re: #248 HoosierHoops


re: #154 Charles


Cool..An ankle bracelet!


Speaking of which... someone was just showing me an iPhone app that uses the location service function to identify registered sex (and other?) offenders within X miles of your location. Complete with photos and a description of their conviction (and, of course, full address).

Is it just me, or is there something 1984-ily creepy about this?

I have a link to a site that provides that information.

276 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:58:03am

re: #268 MandyManners

re: #258 MandyManners

I hope Ben Hur's not around.

Caught and smoked.

277 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:58:19am

re: #185 SasquatchOnSteroids

I tried to register sarahpalinforever but it keeps telling me Cato the Elder is already take.

///

You really didn't need the sarc tags on that one SOS

278 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:58:22am

re: #259 Occasional Reader

Speaking of which... someone was just showing me an iPhone app that uses the location service function to identify registered sex (and other?) offenders within X miles of your location. Complete with photos and a description of their conviction (and, of course, full address).

Is it just me, or is there something 1984-ily creepy about this?

You can get that on the web in most places. I found a whole cluster of them staying at an apartment building not far away; presumably, it was being used as transitional housing of some sort. I also remember seeing school buses stop there. That was rather chilling.

279 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:58:37am

re: #269 Occasional Reader

re: #258 MandyManners


Try to get it in a firmer grasp between your thumb and index finger.

Why, you!

280 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:58:43am

re: #267 Dianna

"It's for the children."

BTW, there are some ways in which I approve of the tracking of sex offenders. I also understand that it's really questionable.

I didn't like how it was sold to people, that's all.

281 El fantasma de General Pinochet  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:58:45am

¡Hola lagartos verdes! ¡Soy detrás del sepulcro y alisto para party como su 1972!

282 NospamforMO  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:59:03am

re: #247 midwestgak

re: #202 NospamforMO


Welcome nospam. Why did you chose your nic?

Becasue I don't like listening to BS and tend to filter it out.

283 bloodnok  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:59:09am

re: #281 El fantasma de General Pinochet

¡Hola lagartos verdes! ¡Soy detrás del sepulcro y alisto para party como su 1972!

Que?

284 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:59:20am

re: #271 Kosh's Shadow

The editor, Jan Helin, said that “a strong propaganda machine” was behind the appalled reactions to the story.

Have you guys been using the Appalledness-Generating Rays again?

/personally, I'm finding the Swedish reaction rather appalling

285 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:59:42am

re: #276 Ben Hur

re: #268 MandyManners


re: #258 MandyManners

I hope Ben Hur's not around.


Caught and smoked.

Got the munchies?

286 El fantasma de General Pinochet  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:59:51am

"Hello green lizards. I'm back from the grave and ready to party like it's 1972!"

287 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:59:52am

re: #259 Occasional Reader

re: #248 HoosierHoops


re: #154 Charles


Cool..An ankle bracelet!


Speaking of which... someone was just showing me an iPhone app that uses the location service function to identify registered sex (and other?) offenders within X miles of your location. Complete with photos and a description of their conviction (and, of course, full address).

Is it just me, or is there something 1984-ily creepy about this?

That has been on the web for some time in some states. I really don't mind making the exception about privacy for child predatory crimes where the perp is still serving time or on probation. Where the law has to be careful is when a minor is caught folling around with a nother minor and gets nabbed for statutory. There is a disctinct difference between that and an adult who preys on children.

288 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:59:55am

re: #281 El fantasma de General Pinochet

¡Hola lagartos verdes! ¡Soy detrás del sepulcro y alisto para party como su 1972!

Oh, fun! OR can talk to you in your native tongue while the rest of us pick out a few words here and there!

289 bloodnok  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:00:07pm

re: #286 El fantasma de General Pinochet

"Hello green lizards. I'm back from the grave and ready to party like it's 1972!"

Que?

290 jaunte  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:00:07pm

re: #283 bloodnok

Pinochet zombie is out and ready to rock.

291 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:00:16pm

re: #281 El fantasma de General Pinochet

¡Hola lagartos verdes! ¡Soy detrás del sepulcro y alisto para party como su 1972!

Hello green lizards! I'm back from the grave and ready to party like its 1972!

292 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:00:17pm

re: #283 bloodnok

Que?

he's saying, I want another Taco

293 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:00:24pm

re: #281 El fantasma de General Pinochet

¡Hola lagartos verdes! ¡Soy detrás del sepulcro y alisto para party como su 1972!

Okay, that nic is quite the mouthful. How about El fantasma?

294 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:00:26pm

re: #269 Occasional Reader

re: #258 MandyManners


Try to get it in a firmer grasp between your thumb and index finger.

I'm a bad person. I thought you were refering to something else.

295 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:00:28pm

re: #281 El fantasma de General Pinochet

¡Hola lagartos verdes! ¡Soy detrás del sepulcro y alisto para party como su 1972!

Watch out for spies.

296 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:00:34pm

re: #280 Dianna

BTW, there are some ways in which I approve of the tracking of sex offenders. I also understand that it's really questionable.

I didn't like how it was sold to people, that's all.

Especially since the most common problem is other family members.

297 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:00:47pm

re: #271 Kosh's Shadow


The editor of Aftonbladet has rejected criticism of the article, and accused his opponents of “using centuries-old anti-Semitic images,” such as that of European blood libels, “in an apparent attempt to get an obviously topical issue off the table.” The editor, Jan Helin, said that “a strong propaganda machine” was behind the appalled reactions to the story.

Must be referring to Honest Reporting.

Wow.

The left hates grassroots community organizing, all of a sudden.

Well, aside from Hizballah.

298 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:00:51pm

re: #281 El fantasma de General Pinochet

¡Hola lagartos verdes! ¡Soy detrás del sepulcro y alisto para party como su 1972!

El "google translate" es una ciencia todavía en vías de desarrollo, mi General.

299 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:01:06pm

re: #207 Dianna

re: #198 turn


Best crab cocktail anywhere ...

[Link: www.yelp.com...]

Hey Dianna, you ever been there?


No, I don't think so.

Try it next time you roll through. Well I honestly haven't been there for years but it would surprise me to find out they still don't serve crab cocktails.

300 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:01:33pm

re: #285 MandyManners

Got the munchies?

No, but smoking salmon really gives you the urge to swim upstream and spawn.

301 kcladderman  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:02:01pm

re: #280 Dianna

BTW, there are some ways in which I approve of the tracking of sex offenders. I also understand that it's really questionable.

I didn't like how it was sold to people, that's all.

I also agree I am just not to sure about the scarlet letter approach. Just seems to be a slippery slope.

302 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:02:01pm

re: #281 El fantasma de General Pinochet

¡Hola lagartos verdes! ¡Soy detrás del sepulcro y alisto para party como su 1972!

Your September 11 beat ours by 28 years.

303 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:02:10pm

re: #294 MandyManners

re: #269 Occasional Reader


re: #258 MandyManners


Try to get it in a firmer grasp between your thumb and index finger.


I'm a bad person. I thought you were refering to something else.

Your mind is firmly planted in the gutter isn't it?

/no wonder it's crowded down there...

304 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:02:21pm

no fair, my friggin chick-fil-a got cold trying to keep up with this thread

305 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:02:23pm

Is it just me, or is there some added depth to some quotes today?

306 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:02:23pm

re: #294 MandyManners

re: #269 Occasional Reader


re: #258 MandyManners


Try to get it in a firmer grasp between your thumb and index finger.


I'm a bad person. I thought you were refering to something else.

Is that all you ever think about?

307 El fantasma de General Pinochet  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:02:42pm

re: #293 BlueCanuck

Okay, that nic is quite the mouthful. How about El fantasma?

El fantasma de = "the ghost of"

308 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:02:46pm

I'm waiting for OR to register a sock called AdrianaBaby and start talking to himself.

309 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:02:47pm

re: #281 El fantasma de General Pinochet

¡Hola lagartos verdes! ¡Soy detrás del sepulcro y alisto para party como su 1972!

How's Dita Beard doing these days?

310 Truck Monkey  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:03:01pm

re: #304 turn

no fair, my friggin chick-fil-a got cold trying to keep up with this thread

Microwave it. They do.

311 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:03:05pm

re: #281 El fantasma de General Pinochet

¡Hola lagartos verdes! ¡Soy detrás del sepulcro y alisto para party como su 1972!

I think that's for every man to decide himself General..
?

312 bloodnok  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:03:09pm

Later, Lizards.

313 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:03:14pm

re: #300 Kosh's Shadow

re: #285 MandyManners


No, but smoking salmon really gives you the urge to swim upstream and spawn.


And it makes you flakey.

314 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:03:21pm

re: #213 Killgore Trout

re: #141 turn


Yeah, It's a local chain. I bought almost $100 bucks worth. I'll fillet them this afternoon, Brine them overnight, then cold smoke them using this method...
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Cold smoke, now you are talking KT!

315 jorline  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:03:26pm

hillaryismadlyinlovewithbill
patbuchananlovesjuice
obamapalin12

316 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:03:33pm

re: #289 bloodnok

Que?

You should say that Anaconda Copper rejoices, or something. Or offer him some chicken feed. Or...I'm trying to come up with some more Chilean references, gotten from both sides.

I've got an eye on this one.

317 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:03:36pm

re: #302 solomonpanting

re: #281 El fantasma de General Pinochet


Your September 11 beat ours by 28 years.

Ariel Dorfman penned a deeply schtoopid article with that theme back in the dark days after 9/11. (Long story short; we're responsible for "their" September 11, see, so why are we so upset about ours... etc.)

318 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:03:40pm

re: #305 CyanSnowHawk

Is it just me, or is there some added depth to some quotes today?

I can sewer that might be true.

319 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:04:02pm

re: #304 turn

no fair, my friggin chick-fil-a got cold trying to keep up with this thread

Shoulda' stuffed it down your pants.

320 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:04:31pm

re: #307 El fantasma de General Pinochet

re: #293 BlueCanuck


El fantasma de = "the ghost of"

heh, Okay. I failed french, so spanish is giving me connipitions. So The ghost it is then.

321 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:04:39pm

re: #303 BlueCanuck

re: #294 MandyManners


re: #269 Occasional Reader


re: #258 MandyManners


Try to get it in a firmer grasp between your thumb and index finger.


I'm a bad person. I thought you were refering to something else.

Your mind is firmly planted in the gutter isn't it?

/no wonder it's crowded down there...

Look at how many posts your post goes back to.

322 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:04:40pm

re: #316 Dianna

Or...I'm trying to come up with some more Chilean references

Al'lende you a few of mine, if you want.

323 calcajun  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:04:48pm

re: #154 Charles

There are a couple of people previously banned that I'm allowing to re-register, but they'll be monitored.

They spent some time in the "Happiness Hut"?

324 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:04:50pm

re: #304 turn

no fair, my friggin chick-fil-a got cold trying to keep up with this thread

You can eat chickin or beat chickin but you can't do both at the same time.

325 El fantasma de General Pinochet  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:04:52pm

re: #292 albusteve

he's saying, I want another Taco

La chihuahua de Taco Bell era un agente de Fidel Castro. Lo tenía tiro.

326 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:05:00pm

re: #305 CyanSnowHawk

Is it just me, or is there some added depth to some quotes today?

It's not just me?

327 calcajun  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:05:06pm

re: #310 Truck Monkey

Ew.

328 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:05:17pm

re: #281 El fantasma de General Pinochet

¡Hola lagartos verdes! ¡Soy detrás del sepulcro y alisto para party como su 1972!

Um...Taco Supreme?

329 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:05:27pm

re: #306 Occasional Reader

re: #294 MandyManners


re: #269 Occasional Reader


re: #258 MandyManners


Try to get it in a firmer grasp between your thumb and index finger.


I'm a bad person. I thought you were refering to something else.

Is that all you ever think about?

Why yes, yes it is.

330 Bryntröll  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:05:32pm

Bolt with another World record.

331 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:05:36pm

re: #319 MandyManners

re: #304 turn


Shoulda' stuffed it down your pants.

I repeat; IS THAT ALL YOU EVER THINK ABOUT?!

332 the phantom  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:05:43pm

re: #307 El fantasma de General Pinochet

re: #293 BlueCanuck


El fantasma de = "the ghost of"

Tell me something I don't know.

333 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:05:56pm

re: #321 MandyManners

re: #303 BlueCanuck


re: #294 MandyManners


re: #269 Occasional Reader


re: #258 MandyManners


Try to get it in a firmer grasp between your thumb and index finger.


I'm a bad person. I thought you were refering to something else.

Your mind is firmly planted in the gutter isn't it?
/no wonder it's crowded down there...

Look at how many posts your post goes back to.

Yep, noticed this morning...

/burma shave

334 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:06:06pm

re: #317 Occasional Reader

Ariel Dorfman penned a deeply schtoopid article with that theme back in the dark days after 9/11. (Long story short; we're responsible for "their" September 11, see, so why are we so upset about ours... etc.)

Frankly, Allende did it to himself.

335 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:06:14pm

re: #223 KenJen

What do we call a previously banned Lizard that is allowed back?

damnfrickenlucky

336 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:06:46pm

re: #314 turn

I smoked a bunch of salmon in the spring to get me through the hottest part of the summer. I still have some left but I'll just do another batch since the price was right. I'll probably smoke with pear wood since I have so much of it. Maybe plum wood too. I have some wood from my fig tree but I haven't smoked with it before so I'll experiment on something other that my salmon.

337 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:06:52pm

re: #333 BlueCanuck

That's the way the quote function worked when it was first introduced. I thought Charles had fixed it.

338 irish rose  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:06:56pm

So, which ex lizards were allowed back through the door?

339 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:06:57pm

re: #325 El fantasma de General Pinochet

Lo tenía tiro.

Oy.

Please... for the love of Cervantes... no more internet translation!

340 Truck Monkey  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:07:35pm

re: #330 Bryntröll

Bolt with another World record.

Appropriately named. I like 'her' adams apple and 19' biceps. 'She' is more horse than anything else IMO. Has 'she' had a pee test?

341 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:07:39pm

re: #332 the phantom

re: #307 El fantasma de General Pinochet


re: #293 BlueCanuck


El fantasma de = "the ghost of"


Tell me something I don't know.

I once had a wart which I removed with an Xacto knife, crazy glue and an emory board.

342 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:07:40pm

re: #331 Occasional Reader

re: #319 MandyManners


re: #304 turn


Shoulda' stuffed it down your pants.


I repeat; IS THAT ALL YOU EVER THINK ABOUT?!

Sometimes she goes all McDonalds and thinks about special sauce.

343 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:07:53pm

re: #334 Dianna

re: #317 Occasional Reader


Frankly, Allende did it to himself.


Yep. He went DBS--Death By Stupidity

344 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:07:56pm

re: #331 Occasional Reader

re: #319 MandyManners


re: #304 turn


Shoulda' stuffed it down your pants.


I repeat; IS THAT ALL YOU EVER THINK ABOUT?!

YES.

345 El fantasma de General Pinochet  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:08:02pm

re: #339 Occasional Reader

Oy.

Please... for the love of Cervantes... no more internet translation!

"The Taco Bell chihuaha was an agent of Fidel Castro. I had him shot."

346 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:08:15pm

re: #337 doppelganglander

re: #333 BlueCanuck

That's the way the quote function worked when it was first introduced. I thought Charles had fixed it.

Yeah he did. But he did do another jquery update. Probably removed the previous fix.

347 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:08:16pm

re: #336 Killgore Trout

I have some wood from my fig tree ...

Do you get clothing from it too?

348 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:08:37pm

re: #339 Occasional Reader

re: #325 El fantasma de General Pinochet


Oy.

Please... for the love of Cervantes... no more internet translation!

Lo ciento. I feel so low, I can see into my toe. Lo ciento.

349 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:08:44pm

re: #341 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I once had a wart which I removed with an Xacto knife, crazy glue and an emory board.

That is so something I didn't need to know.

Pace, Mandy.

350 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:08:44pm

re: #341 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #332 the phantom


re: #307 El fantasma de General Pinochet


re: #293 BlueCanuck


El fantasma de = "the ghost of"


Tell me something I don't know.

I once had a wart which I removed with an Xacto knife, crazy glue and an emory board.

That could be an interesting story. Where was the wart?

351 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:08:51pm

re: #347 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Do you get clothing from it too?

The leaves aren't big enough.
/

352 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:09:09pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

Heehee.

353 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:09:17pm

re: #257 midwestgak

re: #223 KenJen


Damn lucky.

haha, you and I think alike jen.

354 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:09:30pm

re: #334 Dianna

re: #317 Occasional Reader


Frankly, Allende did it to himself.

I recall Dorman's article in one part, accused us awful Americans of not trying to understand "the Other" (blahblahblah); and then a few paragraphs later, expressed the hope that 9/11 would cause us to "look at ourselves in the mirror, and re-join the rest of humanity".

You terrible Americans dehumanize others! Oh, and by the way, you're not currently, really human.

Feh. Idiotarian, through and through.

355 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:09:33pm

re: #328 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Um...Taco Supreme?

"You idiots have been in this class for almost a whole school year, and the only Spanish you know is what you learned at Taco Bell... And Beavis can't even get that right! I'm gonna give you little bastards just ten seconds to come up with a sentence in Spanish, and if you can't, you're both going to the principal's office and you're both flunking."

356 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:09:33pm

re: #341 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #332 the phantom


re: #307 El fantasma de General Pinochet


re: #293 BlueCanuck


El fantasma de = "the ghost of"


Tell me something I don't know.

I once had a wart which I removed with an Xacto knife, crazy glue and an emory board.

Obamacare!

357 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:09:34pm

re: #337 doppelganglander

re: #333 BlueCanuck

That's the way the quote function worked when it was first introduced. I thought Charles had fixed it.

IIRC, he did, after comments started taking up yards of thread space.

358 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:09:41pm

re: #345 El fantasma de General Pinochet

re: #339 Occasional Reader


"The Taco Bell chihuaha was an agent of Fidel Castro. I had him shot."

Did you put electrodes attached to a car battery on his nuts first?

359 jorline  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:09:50pm

re: #328 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Um...Taco Supreme?

Bienvenido de nuevo y de partido en general. SNL sigue siendo en la televisión.

360 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:09:52pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

re: #347 pre-Boomer Marine brat


The leaves aren't big enough.
/

Small tree? Or are you braggin?

361 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:09:55pm

re: #337 doppelganglander

That's the way the quote function worked when it was first introduced. I thought Charles had fixed it.

You can still do it manually. Just copy what you want, and put the quotes around it. Put the next inner part inside those quotes, and quote it as well.

362 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:10:15pm

Come out newbies. We want to see your cute baby lizards faces.

363 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:10:18pm

re: #336 Killgore Trout

I smoked a bunch of salmon in the spring to get me through the hottest part of the summer

Now that's a long-term high. At least there's no law against smoking salmon.

364 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:10:22pm

re: #257 midwestgak

re: #223 KenJen


Damn lucky.

I mean gal, you dumb shit turn

365 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:10:48pm

I'm watching the "Organizing for America" rally on Cspan with Obama. Amazing grass roots efforts. The conservatives should take a few pointers from these progressives and learn how to get mom and pop off the couch and out to a rally.

I remember only yesterday, when the progressives only had help from those fringe groups like Move On and some extra petty cash from little Georgie Soros.

But now, from the front door of your neighbors house, to the TV studios across the nation, we see those roots of grass working their magic.

The conservatives need to stop all that big organizing, throw out those astro-truffing mega-conglomerates and give up trying to infiltrate the main stream media and get back to the grass roots like Obama.

(major sarcasm)

366 CommonCents  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:10:55pm

re: #237 Pianobuff

re: #223 KenJen


A monitored monitor?
A re-newed Newt?

I'm all for that. I wish Newt would run again.

367 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:11:02pm

re: #353 turn

haha, you and I think alike jen.

Funny thing turn, I made that post.

368 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:11:20pm

re: #343 solomonpanting

Yep. He went DBS--Death By Stupidity

Well...if he shot himself with an AK-47 (a present from Fidel Castro), as the story goes, then...I don't know.

BTW, someone needs to remind the General's Ghost that the coup was in 1973.

369 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:11:20pm

re: #345 El fantasma de General Pinochet

I had him shot

Er, no. "Lo tenía tiro" doesn't really mean much of anything. It's an overly-literal, word-for-word translation, that comes out as gibberish. Hence, my comment about internet translation.

370 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:11:27pm

re: #356 debutaunt

re: #341 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


re: #332 the phantom


re: #307 El fantasma de General Pinochet


re: #293 BlueCanuck


El fantasma de = "the ghost of"


Tell me something I don't know.

I once had a wart which I removed with an Xacto knife, crazy glue and an emory board.

Obamacare!

I shudder to think what the treatment for hemmerhoids is.

371 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:11:31pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

re: #347 pre-Boomer Marine brat


The leaves aren't big enough.
/

hahahaahahahahhahahaaa

372 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:11:34pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

re: #347 pre-Boomer Marine brat


The leaves aren't big enough.
/

*rimshot*
Good comeback!

373 jorline  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:11:36pm

re: #281 El fantasma de General Pinochet

¡Hola lagartos verdes! ¡Soy detrás del sepulcro y alisto para party como su 1972!

Bienvenido de nuevo y de partido en general. SNL sigue siendo en la televisión.

374 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:11:39pm

re: #361 Kosh's Shadow

Yes, you could. Right now though it's automatic.

/the return of the Burma Shave Quote thread...

375 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:11:58pm

re: #355 ArchangelMichael

re: #328 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


"You idiots have been in this class for almost a whole school year, and the only Spanish you know is what you learned at Taco Bell... And Beavis can't even get that right! I'm gonna give you little bastards just ten seconds to come up with a sentence in Spanish, and if you can't, you're both going to the principal's office and you're both flunking."

I AM THE GREAT CORNHOLIO! DO NOT MAKE MY BUNGHOLE ANGRY!

/lordy, how I miss those guys

376 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:12:17pm

re: #264 DaddyG

I'm not a new lizard but I'll play one for he welocme Karma. /

he karma? I didn't know that stuff was gender specific. My apologies if I ever gave you she karma DG.

377 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:12:39pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

Well shot!

378 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:12:44pm

re: #375 Occasional Reader

I AM THE GREAT CORNHOLIO! DO NOT MAKE MY BUNGHOLE ANGRY!

/lordy, how I miss those guys

I thought I was the only one! *sob*

379 jorline  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:13:02pm

re: #328 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Um...Taco Supreme?

Sorry Kragar...my reply should have gone to the general.

380 CommonCents  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:13:16pm

re: #341 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I once had a wart which I removed with an Xacto knife, crazy glue and an emory board.

What was the glue for?

381 El fantasma de General Pinochet  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:13:26pm

re: #358 MandyManners

Did you put electrodes attached to a car battery on his nuts first?

No. Sus huevos eran demasiado pequeños atar los electrodos a. Waterboarded tan lo con salsa caliente.

382 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:13:59pm

re: #376 turn

re: #264 DaddyG


he karma? I didn't know that stuff was gender specific. My apologies if I ever gave you she karma DG.


Spellcheck is for wusses.

383 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:14:26pm

re: #378 Sharmuta

I thought I was the only one! *sob*

oh no, me too...some of the funniest stuff I've ever heard was on the FNDT

384 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:14:42pm

re: #380 CommonCents

re: #341 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


What was the glue for?


Suture self.

385 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:14:42pm

re: #381 El fantasma de General Pinochet

re: #358 MandyManners


No. Sus huevos eran demasiado pequeños atar los electrodos a. Waterboarded tan lo con salsa caliente.

Extra cilantro in the salsa?

386 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:14:46pm

re: #381 El fantasma de General Pinochet

No. Sus huevos eran demasiado pequeños atar los electrodos a. Waterboarded tan lo con salsa caliente.

You know, I'm starting to think you're not actually the ghost of General Pinochet.

387 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:14:48pm

re: #350 DaddyG

re: #341 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


re: #332 the phantom


re: #307 El fantasma de General Pinochet


re: #293 BlueCanuck


El fantasma de = "the ghost of"


Tell me something I don't know.

I once had a wart which I removed with an Xacto knife, crazy glue and an emory board.

That could be an interesting story. Where was the wart?

Right at the joint where the pinky finger joins the hand. Right hand

388 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:15:06pm

re: #355 ArchangelMichael

"You idiots have been in this class for almost a whole school year, and the only Spanish you know is what you learned at Taco Bell... And Beavis can't even get that right! I'm gonna give you little bastards just ten seconds to come up with a sentence in Spanish, and if you can't, you're both going to the principal's office and you're both flunking."

"And now the
severe beating of
a high school
spanish teacher."

389 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:15:13pm

re: #286 El fantasma de General Pinochet

"Hello green lizards. I'm back from the grave and ready to party like it's 1972!"

I have na idea at the moment, but when I get down there someone will have figured you out no doubt.

390 HelloDare  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:15:16pm

Sickening.

Hundreds await Lockerbie bomber's arrival

HUNDREDS of people awaited for the arrival of the terminally-ill Lockerbie bomber at Tripoli's airport today as Libya celebrated his release from a Scottish prison.

Loudspeakers blared patriotic music as security personnel were out in force at the airport after Abdel Baset al-Megrahi, the only person found guilty of blowing up Pan Am Flight 103, was freed on compassionate grounds.

A source close to the Libyan delegation that accompanied Megrahi said Seif al-Islam, the son of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, was travelling with him.

391 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:15:17pm

Interesting. The new version of jQuery I just installed behaves differently with the reply and quote features. I'll check it out.

392 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:15:24pm
And the shimmering door of registration opportunity dematerializes again, with 58 hatchlings.

Wierod. I would think the shimmering door would rematerialize, closing the door. This way, you end with a blank wall--no door remains...spooky...

393 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:15:38pm

re: #340 Truck Monkey

re: #330 Bryntröll


Appropriately named. I like 'her' adams apple and 19' biceps. 'She' is more horse than anything else IMO. Has 'she' had a pee test?


Bolt is the world's fastest man...

394 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:16:00pm

re: #386 doppelganglander

re: #381 El fantasma de General Pinochet


You know, I'm starting to think you're not actually the ghost of General Pinochet.


Maybe he spent so much time at school on Coup 101, Advanced Coup, Honor Studies Coup, that he sort of skipped all the classes on Spanish Grammar and Composition?

395 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:16:14pm

re: #380 CommonCents

re: #341 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


What was the glue for?

Easier to apply than bandages

396 El fantasma de General Pinochet  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:16:17pm

re: #385 MandyManners

Extra cilantro in the salsa?

Si! Mucho gusto! Y entonces amenazamos darle vuelta en un Chalupa™!

397 doubter4444  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:16:18pm

re: #5 brennant

I am a newb last round, and came here to read a conservative viewpoint without the lunacy.

Welcome the water is brisk.
But refreshing.

398 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:16:36pm

re: #394 Occasional Reader

re: #386 doppelganglander


re: #381 El fantasma de General Pinochet


You know, I'm starting to think you're not actually the ghost of General Pinochet.


Maybe he spent so much time at school on Coup 101, Advanced Coup, Honor Studies Coup, that he sort of skipped all the classes on Spanish Grammar and Composition?

I think it's Dita Beard.

399 kcladderman  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:16:54pm

re: #375 Occasional Reader

I AM THE GREAT CORNHOLIO! DO NOT MAKE MY BUNGHOLE ANGRY!

/lordy, how I miss those guys

They used to show up on the fire department radio late at night. Of course that was before unit id numbers showed up when you transmit.

400 victoroftheapes  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:16:57pm

Oh man! It's been so long since I've posted a comment. I had an account with this nick at some point during the W era and it fell off the earth around 2006. Been trying to get back at it for about a year now but I kept missing the registration periods. I'm just going to institute a long standing preemptive apology for my future copious misspellings.

401 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:17:02pm

re: #394 Occasional Reader

Maybe he spent so much time at school on Coup 101, Advanced Coup, Honor Studies Coup, that he sort of skipped all the classes on Spanish Grammar and Composition?

Maybe he should have taken Chicken Coup.

402 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:17:42pm

re: #396 El fantasma de General Pinochet

re: #385 MandyManners


Si! Mucho gusto! Y entonces amenazamos darle vuelta en un Chalupa™!

You're one sick dictator.

403 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:17:49pm

re: #398 MandyManners

What the hell is a Dita Beard?

404 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:17:54pm

re: #398 MandyManners

I think it's Dita Beard.

I think it's boring

405 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:18:16pm

re: #310 Truck Monkey

re: #304 turn


Microwave it. They do.

Too late. Those spicy chicken sandwiches are really, really spicy.

406 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:18:19pm

re: #401 Kosh's Shadow

re: #394 Occasional Reader


Maybe he should have taken Chicken Coup.

Or moved to California, and taken Little Deuce Coup.

407 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:18:32pm

re: #400 victoroftheapes

Don't worry about misspellings. It happens to all of us eventually. Those that it bothers? Let them get their panties in a bunch.

408 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:18:40pm

re: #400 victoroftheapes

Welcome back victorof.

409 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:18:45pm

re: #401 Kosh's Shadow

Maybe he should have taken Chicken Coup.

I had a chicken koop...party house for the kids

410 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:18:48pm

re: #403 Occasional Reader

re: #398 MandyManners

What the hell is a Dita Beard?

ITT.

411 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:19:18pm

re: #404 albusteve

re: #398 MandyManners


I think it's boring

That's just awlful.

412 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:19:23pm

re: #391 Charles

Interesting. The new version of jQuery I just installed behaves differently with the reply and quote features. I'll check it out.

That's why when I quoted and started to comment the fricking reply got sandwiched between the doohickees

413 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:19:41pm

re: #399 kcladderman

I AM THE GREAT CORNHOLIO! DO NOT MAKE MY BUNGHOLE ANGRY!

/lordy, how I miss those guys

They used to show up on the fire department radio late at night. Of course that was before unit id numbers showed up when you transmit.

"It's 10PM. Do you know where your wiener is?"

414 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:19:55pm

re: #378 Sharmuta

re: #375 Occasional Reader


I thought I was the only one! *sob*

The video where the guy on fire was running down the street and Butthead was making fun of it.

Beavis: "Butthead, if you dont shut up right now, I swear I'll kill you."

415 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:19:57pm

re: #411 MandyManners

That's just awlful.

the boredom?...what's awful?

416 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:20:04pm

Wow..That was the fastest 400 comments I have ever seen.

417 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:20:26pm

re: #319 MandyManners

re: #304 turn


Shoulda' stuffed it down your pants.

Now that really could get spicy! ha

418 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:20:28pm

re: #412 turn

re: #391 Charles


That's why when I quoted and started to comment the fricking reply got sandwiched between the doohickees

Was one named Kennedy?

419 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:20:43pm

re: #340 Truck Monkey

Appropriately named. I like 'her' adams apple and 19' biceps. 'She' is more horse than anything else IMO. Has 'she' had a pee test?

Are you thinking of Caster Semenya?

420 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:21:02pm

re: #415 albusteve

re: #411 MandyManners


the boredom?...what's awful?

You punked my pun!

421 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:21:14pm

Advice to new lizards: always wear clean underwear. You never know when you'll be in an accident! In Latin: "Semper ubi sub ubi."

422 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:21:22pm

Interesting stuff from the Wall Street Journal

The Death Book for Veterans

If President Obama wants to better understand why America's discomfort with end-of-life discussions threatens to derail his health-care reform, he might begin with his own Department of Veterans Affairs (VA). He will quickly discover how government bureaucrats are greasing the slippery slope that can start with cost containment but quickly become a systematic denial of care.

Last year, bureaucrats at the VA's National Center for Ethics in Health Care advocated a 52-page end-of-life planning document, "Your Life, Your Choices." It was first published in 1997 and later promoted as the VA's preferred living will throughout its vast network of hospitals and nursing homes. After the Bush White House took a look at how this document was treating complex health and moral issues, the VA suspended its use. Unfortunately, under President Obama, the VA has now resuscitated "Your Life, Your Choices."

Who is the primary author of this workbook? Dr. Robert Pearlman, chief of ethics evaluation for the center, a man who in 1996 advocated for physician-assisted suicide in Vacco v. Quill before the U.S. Supreme Court and is known for his support of health-care rationing.

"Your Life, Your Choices" presents end-of-life choices in a way aimed at steering users toward predetermined conclusions, much like a political "push poll." For example, a worksheet on page 21 lists various scenarios and asks users to then decide whether their own life would be "not worth living."

The circumstances listed include ones common among the elderly and disabled: living in a nursing home, being in a wheelchair and not being able to "shake the blues." There is a section which provocatively asks, "Have you ever heard anyone say, 'If I'm a vegetable, pull the plug'?" There also are guilt-inducing scenarios such as "I can no longer contribute to my family's well being," "I am a severe financial burden on my family" and that the vet's situation "causes severe emotional burden for my family."

When the government can steer vulnerable individuals to conclude for themselves that life is not worth living, who needs a death panel? ...

Continued at link...

423 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:21:39pm

re: #328 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LOL

424 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:21:46pm

re: #417 turn

re: #319 MandyManners


re: #304 turn


Shoulda' stuffed it down your pants.


Now that really could get spicy! ha

Refried beans help.

425 doubter4444  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:21:53pm

re: #49 Walter L. Newton

Interesting...

I just perused the Scotland and Afghan thread, and at the point of posting this comment, not a single one of our progressive Lizard members have chimed in, pro or con on either topic.

Amazing?

No.

Hey, give me a chance, I just got here

426 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:22:02pm

OK, the nested replies shouldn't be a problem any more.

427 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:22:05pm

re: #420 MandyManners

You punked my pun!

no I didn't...I'm not that clever and you know it...must have been an accident

428 victoroftheapes  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:22:14pm

re: #419 CyanSnowHawk

Are you thinking of Caster Semenya?

I wonder what odds Vegas is giving that she turns out to be a he.

429 El fantasma de General Pinochet  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:22:23pm

re: #402 MandyManners

You're one sick dictator.

Muchos gracias señorita!

430 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:22:26pm

re: #421 quickjustice

Advice to new lizards: always wear clean underwear. You never know when you'll be in an accident! In Latin: "Semper ubi sub ubi."

Reminds me of a Bill Cosby joke.
They say to wear clean underwear in case you're in an accident.
I thought that was the definition of an accident.
First you say it, and then you do it.

431 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:22:26pm

But you'll have to reload the page to get the new Javascript code installed.

432 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:22:33pm

re: #419 CyanSnowHawk

It's only going to take a team of experts several batteries of tests and a couple weeks to figure out if she's a he.
Isn't modern technology wonderful?

433 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:22:42pm

re: #330 Bryntröll

Bolt with another World record.

Hey, you got a sekrit identity

434 DisturbedEma  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:23:03pm

re: #390 HelloDare

Compassion for the inhumane. . .irony, you cruel fickle beoych

435 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:23:09pm

re: #406 Occasional Reader

re: #401 Kosh's Shadow


re: #394 Occasional Reader


Maybe he should have taken Chicken Coup.


Or moved to California, and taken Little Deuce Coup.

Or joined Charro in a coochie coochie coup.

436 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:23:11pm

re: #431 Charles

But you'll have to reload the page to get the new Javascript code installed.


Wouldn't be prudent at this time...
/

437 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:23:18pm

re: #416 HoosierHoops

Wow..That was the fastest 400 comments I have ever seen.

You've never been here for a political debate or speech thread?

438 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:23:35pm

re: #422 Pianobuff

There also are guilt-inducing scenarios such as "I can no longer contribute to my family's well being," "I am a severe financial burden on my family" and that the vet's situation "causes severe emotional burden for my family."

If it works out, it can then be applied to other unemployed people.

439 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:23:53pm

re: #407 BlueCanuck

Don't worry about misspellings. It happens to all of us eventually. Those that it bothers? Let them get their panties in a bunch.

It's not so much mis-spellings, except when they make me laugh or mangle the meaning. For me, it's various mangling of usage.

It's "toe the line", not "tow the line", for example.

440 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:23:58pm

re: #427 albusteve

re: #420 MandyManners


no I didn't...I'm not that clever and you know it...must have been an accident

Boring...awlful.

441 victoroftheapes  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:24:45pm

re: #437 CyanSnowHawk

You've never been here for a political debate or speech thread?

Yeah, the pace here is what could easily be described as "breakneck." There's no PED tests for commenter's are there?

442 kcladderman  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:25:11pm

re: #432 Lincolntf

It's only going to take a team of experts several batteries of tests and a couple weeks to figure out if she's a he.
Isn't modern technology wonderful?

Just take it somewhere and get it lost. If it asks for directions shes a woman.

443 theheat  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:25:14pm

re: #22 brennant

Just tired of the ranting and raving I guess. Tired of nutters like Palin, Paulians etc etc etc...

Looks like Cato just found a new playmate ;-)

444 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:25:16pm

re: #429 El fantasma de General Pinochet

re: #402 MandyManners


Muchos gracias señorita!

Que is su opinion de Hugo Chavez?

445 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:25:33pm

re: #437 CyanSnowHawk

re: #416 HoosierHoops


You've never been here for a political debate or speech thread?

Yes..But the zero to 4oo posts set a world's record today.. I posted one line early and was 95 behind..It has slowed down some now..

446 jaunte  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:25:34pm

re: #439 Dianna

It's "toe the line", not "tow the line", for example.

Unless you're contemplating a naval use.

447 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:25:34pm

End of life counseling:

Repeat after me: "I think I'll do myself in to save the Fisc the burden . . ."

448 KenJen  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:25:37pm

re: #439 Dianna

re: #407 BlueCanuck


It's not so much mis-spellings, except when they make me laugh or mangle the meaning. For me, it's various mangling of usage.

It's "toe the line", not "tow the line", for example.

My favorite "I could care less"

449 Simple Voice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:26:22pm

Ah, fresh meat!
(j/k)

450 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:26:26pm

re: #336 Killgore Trout

re: #314 turn

I smoked a bunch of salmon in the spring to get me through the hottest part of the summer. I still have some left but I'll just do another batch since the price was right. I'll probably smoke with pear wood since I have so much of it. Maybe plum wood too. I have some wood from my fig tree but I haven't smoked with it before so I'll experiment on something other that my salmon.

Man you are making turn jealous, I could eat smoked salmon 24/7. My neighbor built a cold smoker but he hasn't fired that think up in a long time. It has a long flexible metal duct from the where the chips smolder and the smoking box. He made that up from a crate IIRC. I'm going to have to bail, bbl.

451 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:26:27pm

re: #422 Pianobuff

Interesting stuff from the Wall Street Journal

The Death Book for Veterans

[snip]

And there you go again, fear-mongering and lies, all lies.
///

452 El fantasma de General Pinochet  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:26:33pm

re: #368 Dianna

Well...if he shot himself with an AK-47 (a present from Fidel Castro), as the story goes, then...I don't know.

BTW, someone needs to remind the General's Ghost that the coup was in 1973.

Correcto. El sentido del tiempo se tuerce para los muertos.

453 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:26:54pm

re: #439 Dianna

It's not so much mis-spellings, except when they make me laugh or mangle the meaning. For me, it's various mangling of usage.

It's "toe the line", not "tow the line", for example.

I saw one this morning from a lizard who shall remain nameless: its'. Is that just hedging your bets because you don't know whether to use its (possessive) or it's (it is)? I will be charitable today and assume it was a typo, but its/it's is a pet peeve of mine.

454 victoroftheapes  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:26:59pm

re: #448 KenJen

My favorite "I could care less"

Silly, but in most cases accurate.

455 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:27:06pm

re: #446 jaunte

It's "toe the line", not "tow the line", for example.

Unless you're contemplating a naval use.

Nah. That's a 'tow-line'.

456 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:27:22pm

re: #448 KenJen

My favorite "I could care less"

road to ho

457 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:27:32pm

The hatchlings' usernames:

ukyank
BothAndWorld
Keelyn
dmon
Beklar
aigle
jmbporter
Streetiebird
deeezle
jock_cagney
Mr_J
Five-Skin
bikers66
Sunray
illiniguy09
NoJoey
PAUL_MACDONALD
Gordon Stands
Stattico
fenrisdesigns
Atanarjuat
Aldo
EyeOnTheWorld
InTheFish
Floppydusk
itsmehoney
El fantasma de General Pinochet
264Tom
NospamforMO
JanglerNPL
Uncle Meat
DP2572
pam364
Hochmeister
sandu
Boris Badenov
saschabab
robaz
Mikenewhamp
PatA
pzaret
spoosmith
paige_madison
mdmntr
mrs. teasdale
paigemadison
leomr
chaosdrew
Luke Blackburn
mikentexas
victoroftheapes
mt3_1234
juanita
mbegej
Kubern21
Surabaya Stew
sconnie
Riptides

458 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:27:52pm

re: #336 Killgore Trout

re: #314 turn

I smoked a bunch of salmon in the spring to get me through the hottest part of the summer. I still have some left but I'll just do another batch since the price was right. I'll probably smoke with pear wood since I have so much of it. Maybe plum wood too. I have some wood from my fig tree but I haven't smoked with it before so I'll experiment on something other that my salmon.

SMOKE WEED.

459 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:27:55pm

re: #439 Dianna

re: #407 BlueCanuck


It's not so much mis-spellings, except when they make me laugh or mangle the meaning. For me, it's various mangling of usage.

It's "toe the line", not "tow the line", for example.

I always imagine water skiers have fallen into Lake Tahoe and the tow line is trailing behind the boat.

460 jaunte  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:28:04pm

re: #455 Dianna

To tow the line is useless, without a dinghy attached.

461 theheat  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:28:19pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

And those informants travel in black helicopters, or on the wings of unicorns.

462 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:28:36pm

re: #414 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #378 Sharmuta


re: #375 Occasional Reader


I thought I was the only one! *sob*


The video where the guy on fire was running down the street and Butthead was making fun of it.

Beavis: "Butthead, if you dont shut up right now, I swear I'll kill you."

Perhaps my favorite B&B moment; they're watcing a video of... gah, what's their name, a really over-the-top, almost farcical heavy metal band... Gwar! That's it. The band is stomping around in grotesque, foam rubber, armor, bellowing and screeching, and Butthead heaves a contented sigh and says, "dude... this is what it's all about."

463 El fantasma de General Pinochet  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:28:38pm

re: #444 MandyManners

Que is su opinion de Hugo Chavez?

Aparezco en su espejo de vez en cuando asustar la mierda fuera de ese asshole comunista.

464 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:28:40pm

re: #367 midwestgak

re: #353 turn


Funny thing turn, I made that post.

we all think alike, ha {gal}

465 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:28:45pm

Obligatory Canadian Content post:

I can see her lyin back in her satin dress
In a room where ya do what ya dont confess
Sundown ya better take care
If I find you been creepin round my back stairs
Sundown ya better take care
If I find you been creepin round my back stairs
Shes been lookin like a queen in a sailors dream
And she dont always say what she really means
Sometimes I think its a shame
When I get feelin better when Im feelin no pain
Sometimes I think its a shame
When I get feelin better when Im feelin no pain

466 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:28:48pm

paigemadison twice.

467 Simple Voice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:29:03pm

I can spell the word aluminum.
I just can't pronounce it without my tongue falling out of my mouth.

468 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:29:10pm
469 jaunte  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:29:11pm

'i't's' all wrong.

470 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:29:13pm

re: #448 KenJen

My favorite "I could care less"

There's nothing wrong with that. Provided one adds, "but it would take an effort, which would negate the point."

I got in trouble for "couldn't care less" with Cato the Elder. I don't quite understand why, since I really meant that I was utterly indifferent to whatever the subject was.

471 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:29:15pm

Gordon's back?

472 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:29:19pm

Five-Skin

Your last nic before this one must have led to some awkward situations.

473 keithgabryelski  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:29:39pm

re: #457 Charles

The hatchlings' usernames:

paige_madison
paigemadison

eh?

474 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:29:45pm

re: #457 Charles

Sock count?

475 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:29:58pm

re: #457 Charles

Gordon Stand? Dare I hope it's our own nodroG returned from the outer darkness?

476 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:30:01pm

re: #457 Charles

paige_madison

paigemadison

Two of 'em?

477 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:30:17pm

re: #213 Killgore Trout

re: #141 turn


Yeah, It's a local chain. I bought almost $100 bucks worth. I'll fillet them this afternoon, Brine them overnight, then cold smoke them using this method...
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

now teh grizzle bear kittehs will starv!

/

478 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:30:24pm

Welcome hatchlings!
Hiya, Lizards!

479 victoroftheapes  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:30:41pm

re: #472 DaddyG

Five-Skin

Your last nic before this one must have led to some awkward situations.

That or it's the ghost of Victor Borge posting.

480 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:30:54pm

re: #464 turn

we all think alike, ha {gal}

{turn}. Wow, that was fun and fast.

481 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:30:54pm

re: #467 Simple Voice

I can spell the word aluminum.
I just can't pronounce it without my tongue falling out of my mouth.

I had a chorus teacher that made us sing Aluminum Linoleum Aluminum Linoleum Aluminum Linoleum Aluminum Linoleum real fast.

482 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:30:55pm

re: #432 Lincolntf

It's only going to take a team of experts several batteries of tests and a couple weeks to figure out if she's a he.
Isn't modern technology wonderful?

When someone like Buck Angel is possible, sometimes you need to test to be sure.

Note, the link is work safe for graphics, but the topic may not be.

483 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:30:57pm

re: #465 Kenneth

What brand of 12-string is that?

484 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:31:16pm

re: #476 MandyManners

paige_madison

paigemadison

Two of 'em?

Wrong email address the first time.

485 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:31:18pm

re: #466 Sharmuta

Not as disturbing as there being a Gordon amongst them.

486 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:31:20pm

re: #463 El fantasma de General Pinochet

Aparezco en su espejo de vez en cuando asustar la mierda fuera de ese asshole comunista.

Como se dice "short shit" en Espanol?

487 El fantasma de General Pinochet  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:31:21pm

Usted debe intentar un vino Chileno agradable. Recomiendo el Carmenere.

488 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:31:25pm

re: #467 Simple Voice

I can spell the word aluminum.
I just can't pronounce it without my tongue falling out of my mouth.

Then you better stay the heck away from molybdenum.

489 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:31:38pm

re: #472 DaddyG

Five-Skin

Your last nic before this one must have led to some awkward situations.

Yeah, he's been cut off before.

490 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:31:57pm

re: #422 Pianobuff

Interesting stuff from the Wall Street Journal

The Death Book for Veterans

If President Obama wants to better understand why America's discomfort with end-of-life discussions threatens to derail his health-care reform, he might begin with his own Department of Veterans Affairs (VA). He will quickly discover how government bureaucrats are greasing the slippery slope that can start with cost containment but quickly become a systematic denial of care.

Last year, bureaucrats at the VA's National Center for Ethics in Health Care advocated a 52-page end-of-life planning document, "Your Life, Your Choices." It was first published in 1997 and later promoted as the VA's preferred living will throughout its vast network of hospitals and nursing homes. After the Bush White House took a look at how this document was treating complex health and moral issues, the VA suspended its use. Unfortunately, under President Obama, the VA has now resuscitated "Your Life, Your Choices."

Who is the primary author of this workbook? Dr. Robert Pearlman, chief of ethics evaluation for the center, a man who in 1996 advocated for physician-assisted suicide in Vacco v. Quill before the U.S. Supreme Court and is known for his support of health-care rationing.

"Your Life, Your Choices" presents end-of-life choices in a way aimed at steering users toward predetermined conclusions, much like a political "push poll." For example, a worksheet on page 21 lists various scenarios and asks users to then decide whether their own life would be "not worth living."

The circumstances listed include ones common among the elderly and disabled: living in a nursing home, being in a wheelchair and not being able to "shake the blues." There is a section which provocatively asks, "Have you ever heard anyone say, 'If I'm a vegetable, pull the plug'?" There also are guilt-inducing scenarios such as "I can no longer contribute to my family's well being," "I am a severe financial burden on my family" and that the vet's situation "causes severe emotional burden for my family."

When the government can steer vulnerable individuals to conclude for themselves that life is not worth living, who needs a death panel? ...

Continued at link...

Doesn't surprise me one bit. And with just a little effort they can push a lot of depressed vets over the edge. Problem solved.

491 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:32:08pm

re: #462 Occasional Reader

Perhaps my favorite B&B moment; they're watcing a video of... gah, what's their name, a really over-the-top, almost farcical heavy metal band... Gwar! That's it. The band is stomping around in grotesque, foam rubber, armor, bellowing and screeching, and Butthead heaves a contented sigh and says, "dude... this is what it's all about."

Is it wrong that I remember the video they actually watched? Not a bad song really.

492 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:32:12pm

re: #457 Charles

The hatchlings' usernames:
(some deleted)
Uncle Meat
Boris Badenov


One Frank Zappa fan, and Boris, but no Natasha Fatale.
Still looking for Moose and Squirrel?

493 jorline  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:32:19pm

re: #466 Sharmuta

paigemadison twice.

No moondancingwithmichaeljackson, but two references to World.

494 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:32:26pm

re: #484 Charles

Wrong email address the first time.

Ah. At first I thought that the paiges would take turns.

495 Simple Voice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:32:31pm

re: #481 DaddyG

I would have fainted on the spot at that request.

496 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:32:31pm

re: #400 victoroftheapes

Oh man! It's been so long since I've posted a comment. I had an account with this nick at some point during the W era and it fell off the earth around 2006. Been trying to get back at it for about a year now but I kept missing the registration periods. I'm just going to institute a long standing preemptive apology for my future copious misspellings.

You and turn are going to get along just fine vic.

497 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:32:33pm

re: #486 MandyManners

re: #463 El fantasma de General Pinochet


Como se dice "short shit" en Espanol?

En Mexico, "chaparro".

/no caca

498 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:32:34pm

re: #467 Simple Voice

I can spell the word aluminum.
I just can't pronounce it without my tongue falling out of my mouth.

You can try switching to the British "aluminium", see if it helps.

(By the way, Brits: We're right, you're wrong. The original word for the metal - per its British discoverer, ironically - was "aluminum".)

499 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:33:15pm

re: #486 MandyManners

Como se dice "short shit" en Espanol?

Maybe: Chaqueta de cena?

500 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:33:17pm

re: #489 OldLineTexan

Yeah, he's been cut off before.

No need to get snippy.

501 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:33:45pm

re: #494 MandyManners

re: #484 Charles


Ah. At first I thought that the paiges would take turns.

Barney Frank will hear of this!

/fishy

502 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:33:47pm

re: #432 Lincolntf

re: #419 CyanSnowHawk

It's only going to take a team of experts several batteries of tests and a couple weeks to figure out if she's a he.
Isn't modern technology wonderful?

Sounds like a job for Bill Clinton. And all it will cost is a plane ticket and a box of cigars./

503 jorline  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:33:52pm

re: #486 MandyManners

Como se dice "short shit" en Espanol?


corto mierda?

504 El fantasma de General Pinochet  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:34:16pm

re: #486 MandyManners

Como se dice "short shit" en Espanol?

Hugo Chavez, Ivo Morales, Ignacio Lula da Silva, es todo los perros comunistas. En mi día, habríamos tomado el cuidado de ellos.

505 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:34:22pm

re: #426 Charles

OK, the nested replies shouldn't be a problem any more.

Yes it worked. Thanks master.

506 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:34:32pm

re: #500 MandyManners

No need to get snippy.

Wouldn't you be if you were clipped like that.

507 victoroftheapes  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:34:40pm

re: #500 MandyManners

No need to get snippy.

I am proud to have joined the classiest site on the net. That said:
He's probably the least Jewish person you'll ever meet.

508 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:35:02pm

re: #479 victoroftheapes

re: #472 DaddyG


That or it's the ghost of Victor Borge posting.

GMTA

509 KenJen  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:35:03pm

re: #470 Dianna

Okay. How about "For all intensive purposes". I hear that a lot.

510 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:35:04pm

re: #483 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You better ask the resident guitar players. I'm not up on that.

511 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:35:19pm

re: #487 El fantasma de General Pinochet

Usted debe intentar probar un vino Chileno agradable. Recomiendo el Carmenere.

(En algun lugar, en el Más Allá, Neruda está llorando a gritos.)

512 irish rose  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:35:38pm

re: #110 PAUL_MACDONALD

Finally. It's good to be here. The last sane place for the right of centre.

I gave up on HotAir.

A very belated welcome, I was out hanging the laundry!
It's good to have you.

513 Simple Voice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:35:41pm

re: #498 Occasional Reader

I also used to pronounce Vietnamese as "Viet-ma-knees".
Yes, I was a constant source of amusement for many of my friends.

514 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:35:55pm

re: #462 Occasional Reader

re: #414 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


re: #378 Sharmuta


re: #375 Occasional Reader


I thought I was the only one! *sob*


The video where the guy on fire was running down the street and Butthead was making fun of it.
Beavis: "Butthead, if you dont shut up right now, I swear I'll kill you."

Perhaps my favorite B&B moment; they're watcing a video of... gah, what's their name, a really over-the-top, almost farcical heavy metal band... Gwar! That's it. The band is stomping around in grotesque, foam rubber, armor, bellowing and screeching, and Butthead heaves a contented sigh and says, "dude... this is what it's all about."

Is that before or after they spray the audience with fake semen?

515 El fantasma de General Pinochet  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:35:58pm

re: #486 MandyManners

Como se dice "short shit" en Espanol?

¿Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? ¿Mierda corta iraní?

516 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:36:11pm

re: #486 MandyManners

Como se dice "short shit" en Espanol?

"El Petizo" would be a good, "free" translation, I think.

517 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:36:36pm

re: #514 OldLineTexan

Is that before or after they spray the audience with fake semen?

FAKE?!

518 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:37:04pm

TIO!

519 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:37:06pm

re: #509 KenJen

Okay. How about "For all intensive purposes". I hear that a lot.

That's one of my favorites. I've seen "Taken for granite" as well. I almost choked on that.

520 ladycatnip  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:37:11pm

To all the new hatchlings, welcome to the Lizard Kingdom!

521 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:37:16pm

re: #514 OldLineTexan

Is that before or after they spray the audience with fake semen?

good grief dood

522 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:37:42pm

We have a hatchling called "spoosmith"? WTH

523 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:38:00pm

re: #513 Simple Voice

re: #498 Occasional Reader

I also used to pronounce Vietnamese as "Viet-ma-knees".
Yes, I was a constant source of amusement for many of my friends.

My Navy vet father-in-law has a completely different pronounciation for Vietnamese. I'd better not type it here.

524 victoroftheapes  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:38:21pm

re: #508 debutaunt

GMTA

Well, I'm flattered, but I think your overplaying my role in this new partnership.

525 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:38:23pm

re: #458 Ben Hur

SMOKE WEED.

Why do you think I could eat smoked salmon 24/7?

526 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:38:23pm

re: #513 Simple Voice

I also used to pronounce Vietnamese as "Viet-ma-knees".

What if the Vietmankees develop nookyular weapons?

527 Simple Voice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:38:28pm

re: #514 OldLineTexan

I'm tempted to link to that photo essay of Zombie's. You know the one...

528 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:38:36pm

If Hurricane Bill lives up to its, uh, billing, it should blow over.

529 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:38:50pm

re: #509 KenJen

Okay. How about "For all intensive purposes". I hear that a lot.

In cyberspace, no one can hear me scream. A good thing, that!

530 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:38:56pm

re: #521 albusteve

re: #514 OldLineTexan


good grief dood

I kid not; the gal that cut my hair twenty years ago was a HUGE fan. Unfortunately, I was already married.

/sigh

531 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:39:29pm

re: #526 Occasional Reader

re: #513 Simple Voice


What if the Vietmankees develop nookyular weapons?

Please sit down, President Bush.

532 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:39:32pm

See you later lizards. Happy posting.

533 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:39:44pm

I have two questions for the old blood and the new.

The LGF questions for healthcare reform are, I think a serious and well thought out set. But I would like to ask one better. What would the right reform policy be? I mean specifics. Numbers - not a whole GAO analysis, but what you would pay for, and how. It's a huge question, and I do not ask it in a flip way. Has anyone here given it serious thought?

My second question is a What If question. Assume for a moment that your worst nightmares come true and a bill resembling the current drafts passes with a Public Option. What can be done to ensure that it does not kill off private insurance. in 2 or 25 years?

534 turn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:39:50pm

Boris Badenov, ha the Rocky and Bullwinkle show. I bet we're about the same age.

535 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:40:07pm

re: #462 Occasional Reader

Perhaps my favorite B&B moment; they're watcing a video of... gah, what's their name, a really over-the-top, almost farcical heavy metal band... Gwar! That's it. The band is stomping around in grotesque, foam rubber, armor, bellowing and screeching, and Butthead heaves a contented sigh and says, "dude... this is what it's all about."

Mutants of GWAR? I saw those guys at Iguana's in TJ. My first and only trip to that third world nation. It was a hell of a show though.

536 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:40:12pm

re: #530 OldLineTexan

the gal that cut my hair twenty years ago was a HUGE fan.

A big fan of being sprayed with...?

Oh... you mean, of the band. I see.

537 KenJen  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:40:16pm

re: #513 Simple Voice

re: #498 Occasional Reader

I also used to pronounce Vietnamese as "Viet-ma-knees".
Yes, I was a constant source of amusement for many of my friends.

I had an ex-boyfriend who thought Alzheimer's disease was called Old Timers disease. I never corrected him.

538 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:41:44pm

Just watched the trailer for "Avatar" and to sum it up, amazingly unimpressive. Another CGI-fest.

539 shiplord kirel  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:42:02pm

re: #513 Simple Voice

re: #498 Occasional Reader

I also used to pronounce Vietnamese as "Viet-ma-knees".
Yes, I was a constant source of amusement for many of my friends.

I've heard that a lot, usually from the same people who wanted to use nuke-ya-lur weapons on them.

540 El fantasma de General Pinochet  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:42:42pm

re: #511 Occasional Reader

(En algun lugar, en el Más Allá, Neruda está llorando a gritos.)

Neruda es un perro comunista también. Espero soy él estoy besando el ano de Stalin en infierno.

541 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:43:11pm

re: #538 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just watched the trailer for "Avatar" and to sum it up, amazingly unimpressive. Another CGI-fest.

See The Hurt Locker, if you haven't already, and if you're lucky enough to have it playing in your area.

542 Simple Voice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:43:44pm

re: #533 Coracle

Those in favor of the public option keep claiming those against the public option are not for competition. I say allow a public option to exist, except it has to turn a profit, just like a regular insurance company has to turn a profit.
Make the government public option compete without a safety net. I am sure private industry would love the opportunity to kick some D.C. ass!

543 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:43:44pm

re: #465 Kenneth

"Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" was better.

544 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:44:22pm

Huckabee does best in head to head w/Obama

Our fifth monthly national survey matching up Barack Obama against some possible 2012 opponents comes to the same two primary conclusions as the other four:

1) Obama leads all comers
2) Mike Huckabee, at least at this early stage, is the strongest GOP candidate

In this particular iteration of the poll, Huckabee comes the closest to Obama that he has yet, trailing just 47-44. That's tightened since the President led 48-42 a month ago.

Huckabee also has the best overall favorability rating of the Republican quartet we tested, at 45/28.

Huckabee is not the most popular candidate among GOP voters though. While 66% of them have a favorable opinion of him, 72% have a favorable opinion of Sarah Palin.

Palin's overall numbers have seen a pretty steep decline in the last month though. Two July surveys we conducted actually showed her numbers slightly improving from pre-resignation announcement levels, to a 47/45 spread. That's now dropped to 40/49. Among Democrats she's gone from 25% with a favorable opinion of her to 15%, and among independents she's gone from 45% to 37%.

In her head to head contest with Obama, Palin is down 52-38 after her 51-43 deficit a month ago had been the closest we have measured for her to date.

After Huckabee Mitt Romney polls the closest to Obama and also has the second best net favorability rating, at 37/34. He trails 47-40 in a head to head. There continues to be one pretty bad piece of news for him in these polls though, which is that he's the least popular of this quartet with GOP voters. Only 52% have a favorable opinion of him, and that lagging popularity with the overall Republican electorate has become a continuous theme in our 2012 surveys.

Newt Gingrich, seemingly the least likely nominee of the bunch, trails Obama 49-41 and has a 33/42 negative favorability rating...

Continued at the link.

545 Simple Voice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:44:25pm

re: #537 KenJen

Haha!

546 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:44:36pm

Illiniguy09 - If you are lurking. I'm an Illini grad from '91

547 keithgabryelski  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:44:43pm

re: #530 OldLineTexan

I kid not; the gal that cut my hair twenty years ago was a HUGE fan. Unfortunately, I was already married.

/sigh

Oh, GWAR is a reasonably fun but macabre show -- ONCE.

Wear something you don't mind being damaged by water sprayed on the audience in the color of various bodily fluids.

Bring a towel and an extra shirt.

And be amused by the spectacle.

/i was 23 the first and last time I saw them.
//I'd bet I'd be bored by a second viewing.

548 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:44:52pm

re: #533 Coracle

I have two questions for the old blood and the new.

[snip]

My second question is a What If question. Assume for a moment that your worst nightmares come true and a bill resembling the current drafts passes with a Public Option. What can be done to ensure that it does not kill off private insurance. in 2 or 25 years?

I try to answer part two of your questions.

Nothing. According to Anthony Weiner, the final goal of the progressive health care proposals is Medicare for all Americans.

S: You’re sitting here advocating for a complete takeover, a government takeover of health care.
W: Only if you think Medicare is a government takeover. Do you?

S: So, Anthony, I figured it out over the break. You actually do want the federal government to take over all of health care.
W: Only in the sense that the federal government took over health care for senior citizens 44 years ago.

S: You want to expand that for all Americans.
W: Correct. I want Medicare for all Americans.

[Link: themoderatevoice.com...]

So, what can be done to assure there is still a private health care industry in 2-25 years, conservatives can continue to do what they have been doing a defeat this whole thing.

Simple.

549 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:45:33pm

re: #542 Simple Voice

Those in favor of the public option keep claiming those against the public option are not for competition. I say allow a public option to exist, except it has to turn a profit, just like a regular insurance company has to turn a profit.
Make the government public option compete without a safety net. I am sure private industry would love the opportunity to kick some D.C. ass!

That sounds pretty cool, but isn't there a prohibition on a government program being for profit? I seem to recall NASA not being allowed - or not allowing itself - some venture that could have put it "in business".

550 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:45:34pm

re: #543 quickjustice

"Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" was better.

his voice tends to drone on and on...he's no John Hiatt as a soloist, who really does a fine job by himself

551 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:45:45pm

re: #544 Pianobuff

Where did they conduct this poll, the Picadilly Cafeteria?

552 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:45:50pm

re: #537 KenJen

And then there is Waldheim's disease, when you get old and forget you were a Nazi.

553 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:45:59pm

re: #548 Walter L. Newton

Weiner's dating Huma. Are you jealous?

554 yochanan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:46:17pm

¿Mierda corta iraní?

WORKS FOR ME will have to ask my daughtinlaw.

555 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:46:26pm

re: #534 turn

Boris Badenov, ha the Rocky and Bullwinkle show. I bet we're about the same age.

But where's Natasha Fatale?

BTW, the series is out on DVD, one set per season.
The stuff I didn't catch as a kid, like the fact that Dudley Do-Right's girlfriend really likes his horse.

556 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:46:26pm

re: #533 Coracle

It's a huge question

Yes, it is, especially for a thread in which we're spitballin' about Beavis & Butthead and the like. But I will say; there is no one big answer to the question; and there are plenty of reform proposals that have been put forward by conservatives over the years (e.g., various kinds of tort reform).

And I don't quite know if you're angling at this, but I reject the notion that we have to have our own Big, Comprehensive Plan in order to be in a position to criticize ObamaCare. One need not have a good plan, in order to recognize a bad one.

557 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:46:49pm

re: #543 quickjustice

I don't like to rank everything. Sundown is a great song. So is Edmond Fitzgerald.

558 Simple Voice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:47:15pm

re: #549 Coracle

Probably so.
But someone is making money in that town.

559 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:47:18pm

re: #538 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just watched the trailer for "Avatar" and to sum it up, amazingly unimpressive. Another CGI-fest.

The overt use of CGI is turing me off. It beginning to look like just what it is, overly done animation.

When used to compliment a scene, fine, and maybe when used in a completely fantasy setting where that sort of "unreal" look works, but for me, other than that, I can't stand it.

560 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:47:22pm

re: #544 Pianobuff

All I can say to this: " This has gone from weak to superweak! Things cannot get any more weak."

Unless they said Jindal...

561 victoroftheapes  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:48:01pm

re: #556 Occasional Reader

Yes, it is, especially for a thread in which we're spitballin' about Beavis & Butthead and the like. But I will say; there is no one big answer to the question; and there are plenty of reform proposals that have been put forward by conservatives over the years (e.g., various kinds of tort reform).

And I don't quite know if you're angling at this, but I reject the notion that we have to have our own Big, Comprehensive Plan in order to be in a position to criticize ObamaCare. One need not have a good plan, in order to recognize a bad one.

I agree. Just because I haven't suggested a lunch plan does not mean that I should eat a turd sandwich.

562 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:48:20pm

re: #553 quickjustice

Weiner's dating Huma. Are you jealous?

I don't even know who Huma is. So no, and probably no again, even if I did know.

563 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:48:33pm

re: #557 Kenneth

I don't like to rank everything. Sundown is a great song. So is Edmond Fitzgerald.

good, not great...on a scale of...
nevermind

564 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:48:34pm

re: #555 Kosh's Shadow

But where's Natasha Fatale?

BTW, the series is out on DVD, one set per season.
The stuff I didn't catch as a kid, like the fact that Dudley Do-Right's girlfriend really likes his horse.

Chestnut Mare

565 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:48:34pm

re: #475 doppelganglander

Gordon Stand? Dare I hope it's our own nodroG returned from the outer darkness?

Gordon Stand. Is that related to a Gordon Setter?

566 yochanan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:48:39pm

re: #544 Pianobuff

way too early for this at least after the 2010 or in 2011 at the earliest.

567 CommonCents  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:48:51pm

re: #549 Coracle

That sounds pretty cool, but isn't there a prohibition on a government program being for profit? I seem to recall NASA not being allowed - or not allowing itself - some venture that could have put it "in business".

I guess that settles it then. No public option is how it should be.

568 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:48:56pm

re: #561 victoroftheapes

I agree. Just because I haven't suggested a lunch plan does not mean that I should eat a turd sandwich.

Unrelated to your post: when I first saw your nic, I was wondering "Where is Theapes? Did he mean Thebes?" I think I've sorted it out now.

569 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:48:59pm

re: #544 Pianobuff

Huckabee does best in head to head w/Obama

Portrait of a dying party.

570 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:49:18pm

re: #559 Walter L. Newton

The overt use of CGI is turing me off. It beginning to look like just what it is, overly done animation.

When used to compliment a scene, fine, and maybe when used in a completely fantasy setting where that sort of "unreal" look works, but for me, other than that, I can't stand it.

Story and characters beat effects and window dressing everytime.

571 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:49:37pm

re: #567 CommonCents

I guess that settles it then. No public option is how it should be.

yes, correct

572 victoroftheapes  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:50:21pm

re: #568 doppelganglander

Unrelated to your post: when I first saw your nic, I was wondering "Where is Theapes? Did he mean Thebes?" I think I've sorted it out now.

I'd have included the spaces but I wasn't sure they were OK and I really wanted to make the ever fleeting registration window.

573 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:50:28pm

re: #570 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Story and characters beat effects and window dressing everytime.

You mean actual acting? No.

574 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:50:28pm

re: #569 Charles

Portrait of a dying party.

If Huckabee's the best they have then, well, like you said.

575 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:50:41pm

re: #562 Walter L. Newton

I don't even know who Huma is. So no, and probably no again, even if I did know.

She's on Hillary's staff. And actually, I think they're engaged.

576 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:50:50pm

re: #570 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Story and characters beat effects and window dressing everytime.

Wait, wait... do you mean to imply, sir, that Waterworld was something less than the greatest film ever made?!

//

577 kcladderman  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:50:54pm

re: #569 Charles

Portrait of a dying party.

We have to do something or it is a Portrait of a Dying country

578 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:51:17pm

re: #563 albusteve

I agree with you about Lightfoot's voice... it's a bit thin and nasel. A little bit now and then is nice, but not a whole cd at once.

579 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:52:00pm

re: #548 Walter L. Newton

I try to answer part two of your questions.

Nothing. According to Anthony Weiner, the final goal of the progressive health care proposals is Medicare for all Americans.

S: You’re sitting here advocating for a complete takeover, a government takeover of health care.
W: Only if you think Medicare is a government takeover. Do you?

S: So, Anthony, I figured it out over the break. You actually do want the federal government to take over all of health care.
W: Only in the sense that the federal government took over health care for senior citizens 44 years ago.

S: You want to expand that for all Americans.
W: Correct. I want Medicare for all Americans.

[Link: themoderatevoice.com...]

So, what can be done to assure there is still a private health care industry in 2-25 years, conservatives can continue to do what they have been doing a defeat this whole thing.

Simple.

From Weiner's Web site:
"Right now, I am working on one of the most important issues facing Americans today – fixing our nation’s broken health care system."

580 jcm  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:52:01pm

re: #559 Walter L. Newton

The overt use of CGI is turing me off. It beginning to look like just what it is, overly done animation.

When used to compliment a scene, fine, and maybe when used in a completely fantasy setting where that sort of "unreal" look works, but for me, other than that, I can't stand it.

IMHO, some of the best CGI recently was in Master and Commander. It lost the Oscar to Star Wars EP3, but like you noted in M&C it was used to complete a scene and wasn't noticeable, the French privateer Archeron was CGI.

581 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:52:08pm

re: #575 wahabicorridor

She's on Hillary's staff. And actually, I think they're engaged.

Oh, now I know who you are talking about. Now why would anyone ask me if I would be jealous, they should be asking Hillary.

582 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:52:24pm

re: #573 Walter L. Newton

You mean actual acting? No.

For a quality story they do.

583 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:52:32pm

re: #569 Charles

Portrait of a dying party.

Charles? The Dems were talking about running Al Gore in 2008 as recently as 2007.

"You'll be stone dead in just a minute. Now get up on the cart!"

584 theheat  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:52:34pm

re: #544 Pianobuff

Great. Huckabilly back from his Israel tour, poised and ready to make America that much fucking stupider and fundier.

I can't stand Palin, either, but Huckabee is way over the edge. I also believe that if Palin got, say, Glenn Beck's spot on Fox, she'd wipe her prim and proper bottom with the likes of that moron. I'd like to see her do it, just to clear that stupid grin off Huckabilly's face.

Regardless, either outcome is most unpalatable to me. I'd just enjoy seeing Huckabilly's nose rubbed in it. From there, Palin can sink or swim on her own.

585 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:52:43pm

Ah, lunch is over. Been a nice thread though. Welcome hatchlings.

586 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:53:08pm

re: #562 Walter L. Newton

Huma is Hillary's executive assistant. Huma is now engaged to Weiner, which means Wiener's wiener is fully engaged! ;-)

587 jcm  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:53:11pm

re: #544 Pianobuff


A squirrel in every popcorn popper!

588 victoroftheapes  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:53:17pm

re: #577 kcladderman

We have to do something or it is a Portrait of a Dying country

All that said, who had even heard of Barack Obama outside of Il in 2005? If we get to 2011 and the best the republicans can offer is Huckabee, worry. It's way to early to tell now.

589 CommonCents  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:53:36pm

re: #569 Charles

Portrait of a dying party.

Some things are better left unsaid. But, as has been mentioned before, these things roll up and down. It wasn't long ago that the Democrats were written off for dead. Their resurgence came when Republican office holders went off the rails. Now the Democrat office holders are doing the same thing. I think the a large portion of the un-political voting class gravitates towards the lesser of two evils at that point in time (heavily swayed by what is in the "news")

590 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:53:43pm

re: #509 KenJen

Okay. How about "For all intensive purposes". I hear that a lot.

Actually read that in a newspaper article the other day.

591 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:53:43pm

re: #576 Occasional Reader

Wait, wait... do you mean to imply, sir, that Waterworld was something less than the greatest film ever made?!

//

Pistols at dawn or shots at dusk?

592 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:54:14pm

re: #581 Walter L. Newton

Oh, now I know who you are talking about. Now why would anyone ask me if I would be jealous, they should be asking Hillary.

HA! I used to know someone attached to the Secret Service at the WH during the Clinton admin. I asked him if there was anything he could dish about Hillary. He said "Yeah. She has better taste in women than Bill".

593 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:54:19pm

re: #587 jcm

A squirrel in every popcorn popper!

or a Czar in every garage?

594 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:54:37pm

re: #583 Dianna

Charles? The Dems were talking about running Al Gore in 2008 as recently as 2007.

"You'll be stone dead in just a minute. Now get up on the cart!"

One great thing about Al Gore is that you get to pick your favorite version, sort of like with Elvis.

Do you want skinny, robotic Gore (circa 1996?) Or fat, always-bellowing Gore (today)?

595 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:54:43pm

re: #580 jcm

IMHO, some of the best CGI recently was in Master and Commander. It lost the Oscar to Star Wars EP3, but like you noted in M&C it was used to complete a scene and wasn't noticeable, the French privateer Archeron was CGI.

Ah, yea, what he said. I've not seen any of this.

I did watch "Defiance" last night. What made it more interesting to me was I was in that general area in North Eastern Poland about 6 years ago, so I had a good feel for where the characters spent a lot of their time.

596 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:55:08pm

re: #579 MandyManners

From Weiner's Web site:
"Right now, I am working on one of the most important issues facing Americans today – fixing breaking our nation’s broken world class health care system."

FTFH.

597 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:55:29pm

re: #587 jcm

A squirrel in every popcorn popper!

(That metallic sound you just heard was Dianna sliding a magazine into the tommy gun ... /just warnin' ya)

598 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:55:51pm

re: #578 Kenneth

I agree with you about Lightfoot's voice... it's a bit thin and nasel. A little bit now and then is nice, but not a whole cd at once.

sitting there by yourself with a couple of guitars is very difficult...I know this vid was not the case, but for arguments sake, I have seen Hiatt several times solo and it is a very cool show...he brings alot to the table...mixing with the audience, a good blend of footstomping and ballads...lots of expression etc...a fine player who accompanies himself with expertice...Bonnie Raitt can do it to

599 KenJen  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:56:24pm

re: #576 Occasional Reader

Wait, wait... do you mean to imply, sir, that Waterworld was something less than the greatest film ever made?!

//


I thought The Postman was better.

600 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:56:29pm

re: #595 Walter L. Newton

I did watch "Defiance" last night.

I have to say, that movie didn't quite "work" for me. It's hard to put my finger on why. (In fairness, I was watching it on a tiny screen on an airplane, which always takes something away from the movie.)

601 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:56:31pm

re: #556 Occasional Reader

Yes, it is, especially for a thread in which we're spitballin' about Beavis & Butthead and the like. But I will say; there is no one big answer to the question; and there are plenty of reform proposals that have been put forward by conservatives over the years (e.g., various kinds of tort reform).

And I don't quite know if you're angling at this, but I reject the notion that we have to have our own Big, Comprehensive Plan in order to be in a position to criticize ObamaCare. One need not have a good plan, in order to recognize a bad one.

Yeah. I'm still wet behind the ears here, and don't know how you go about introducing a "new" topic to an "old" thread. I ask forgiveness if I've trod in something incorrectly.

That said, I don't need one big answer. I want an executable answer. If tort reform is part of it, what tort reform? And I think most people here think there are significantly broken parts of healthcare in this country. How do we fix those, even if it's bits and pieces - what are the bits and pieces?

re: #548 Walter L. Newton

I try to answer part two of your questions.

Nothing. According to Anthony Weiner, the final goal of the progressive health care proposals is Medicare for all Americans.

That's really avoiding the question. If you're that there's no possible way of avoiding the death of private insurance if the health bill passes, then I have your answer.

I know that there are individuals - even the president himself who want the end goal to be single payer. The draft bills, if enacted won't do it on the short time scale. So, how do you prevent it in the long timescale? What kind of blocks or checks can be put in place?

602 kcladderman  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:56:34pm

re: #588 victoroftheapes

All that said, who had even heard of Barack Obama outside of Il in 2005? If we get to 2011 and the best the republicans can offer is Huckabee, worry. It's way to early to tell now.

Oh I know I have not given up. Just waiting and hoping. In fact with the current MSM I would almost think it would be unwise for anyone to show their hand this early.

603 yochanan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:56:48pm

frankly i wouldn't vote for obama if he ran against mickey mouse.

604 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:56:51pm

re: #591 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Blunderbusses in hot air balloons over a sewage treatment plant at 1000 yards!

605 jcm  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:57:19pm

re: #597 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(That metallic sound you just heard was Dianna sliding a magazine into the tommy gun ... /just warnin' ya)

*Dives for cover*

Gun shop and Tommy Gun for last when I was there last week, modified for semi of course...

606 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:57:19pm

re: #583 Dianna

Charles? The Dems were talking about running Al Gore in 2008 as recently as 2007.

"You'll be stone dead in just a minute. Now get up on the cart!"

If I remember correctly. This time 4 years ago Republicans were throwing around names like: George Allen, Condoleezza Rice, and Bill Frist as potential candidates in 2008.

It still does not make me feel any better that anyone who isn't a kool-aid drinking kook thinks Huckabee is a good idea.

607 KenJen  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:57:24pm

re: #590 Son of the Black Dog

Actually read that in a newspaper article the other day.

Let me guess? The NYT?

608 CommonCents  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:57:32pm

re: #603 yochanan

frankly i wouldn't vote for obama if he ran against mickey mouse.

What do you mean? He is Mickey Mouse!

609 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:57:33pm

re: #536 Occasional Reader

re: #530 OldLineTexan


A big fan of being sprayed with...?

Oh... you mean, of the band. I see.

Actually, I was assuming both ... hence my disappointment in my unavailability.

/

610 victoroftheapes  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:57:37pm

re: #603 yochanan

frankly i wouldn't vote for obama if he ran against mickey mouse.

I think you do the Honorable Mr. Mouse a grave disservice...

611 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:58:08pm

re: #599 KenJen

I thought The Postman was better.

Better being a relative term.

Book was better.

612 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:58:16pm

re: #601 Coracle

If tort reform is part of it, what tort reform?

Here's what bugs me about the whole 'tort reform' argument.

It can be done at the STATE level - we don't need the Feds to do it.

613 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:58:24pm

Huckabee presents himself well on his television program. He's a slick Baptist preacher of the old school. What other public figure does he remind me of?

614 jcm  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:58:52pm

re: #600 Occasional Reader

I have to say, that movie didn't quite "work" for me. It's hard to put my finger on why. (In fairness, I was watching it on a tiny screen on an airplane, which always takes something away from the movie.)

I noticed that too, it didn't quite work.

I did watch Taking Chance a little while ago.
Must see IMHO.

615 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:58:55pm

*Sigh.*

Nonprofit speak is getting to me again.

The clunking clause "poor, disadvantaged, and underserved women and their families" has just passed before my eyes and been included in a summary.

Do people have any idea how incredibly parodic this sort of writing is?

616 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:59:11pm

re: #597 pre-Boomer Marine brat

re: #587 jcm


(That metallic sound you just heard was Dianna sliding a magazine into the tommy gun ... /just warnin' ya)

Dianna would never use a tommygun for squirrel!

/

617 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:59:12pm

re: #602 kcladderman

Oh I know I have not given up. Just waiting and hoping. In fact with the current MSM I would almost think it would be unwise for anyone to show their hand this early.

I don't even understand how Huck got within the margin of error of Obama, but it is early. Whoever the frontrunner ends up being, I'd rather he/she not be too high profile too early as that person will just get Alinskied anyway. Depending on how Obama is doing in a couple of years, it may not be as easy to sling the Saul.

618 KenJen  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:59:17pm

re: #611 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Better being a relative term.

Oops. Forgot my sarc tag.

619 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:59:53pm

re: #615 Dianna

*Sigh.*

Nonprofit speak is getting to me again.

The clunking clause "poor, disadvantaged, and underserved women and their families" has just passed before my eyes and been included in a summary.

Do people have any idea how incredibly parodic this sort of writing is?

OR is trying for that fellowship in Argentina again, I see.

/

620 jcm  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:00:04pm

re: #616 OldLineTexan

Dianna would never use a tommygun for squirrel!

/

*whew*

Some to take the heat off of me!

621 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:00:31pm

re: #616 OldLineTexan

Alvin York: Cut the bullet in half to save lead, stuff it into the muzzle loader, and pop the squirrel in the head at 100 yards.

622 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:00:47pm

re: #615 Dianna

The clunking clause "poor, disadvantaged, and underserved women

In a somewhat similiar vein, I was revieiwing a document this morning that kept mentioning how such and such an outcome will only be arrived at through "mutual agreement". Is there such a thing as non-mutual agreement?

623 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:00:58pm

re: #616 OldLineTexan

Dianna would never use a tommygun for squirrel!

/

She's a much better hunter than that. What's the capacity on a Tommygun magazine again?
/

624 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:01:02pm

re: #601 Coracle

I'm going to make this simple for you. Pass some tort reform, fix Medicare and Medicaid first, and if you are going to do anything with private health care, sit down with them, go over the problems, see where it can be fixed and tell them to fix it. If they are breaking the law, call them on it, otherwise, leave them alone, the market will take care of it.

625 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:01:09pm

re: #606 ArchangelMichael

If I remember correctly. This time 4 years ago Republicans were throwing around names like: George Allen, Condoleezza Rice, and Bill Frist as potential candidates in 2008.

It still does not make me feel any better that anyone who isn't a kool-aid drinking kook thinks Huckabee is a good idea.

Oh, agreed.

I wasn't saying that Huckabee was a good idea. Just..."Not dead yet!" is something of a thing to keep in mind.

626 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:01:14pm

re: #594 Occasional Reader

re: #583 Dianna


One great thing about Al Gore is that you get to pick your favorite version, sort of like with Elvis.

Do you want skinny, robotic Gore (circa 1996?) Or fat, always-bellowing Gore (today)?

Just some thin and tasteless gruel, please, sir?

627 theheat  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:01:14pm

re: #620 jcm

But if it was a terminally rabid squirrel? Yup. Go for it.

628 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:01:26pm

re: #605 jcm

*Dives for cover*

Gun shop and Tommy Gun for last when I was there last week, modified for semi of course...

In junior high, a classmate's father had an "artillery" model Luger (don't know the proper designation, they were issued to artillerymen.) Verrry long barrel. Had a "pie-plate" magazine somewhat like the Thompson's.

629 victoroftheapes  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:01:43pm

re: #622 Occasional Reader

In a somewhat similiar vein, I was revieiwing a document this morning that kept mentioning how such and such an outcome will only be arrived at through "mutual agreement". Is there such a thing as non-mutual agreement?

The kind where the one party is holding a pistol to the head of the other may qualify...

630 jcm  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:01:53pm

re: #623 CyanSnowHawk

She's a much better hunter than that. What's the capacity on a Tommygun magazine again?
/

30 in a magazine, 50 in the drum IIRC.

631 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:01:54pm

re: #620 jcm

*whew*

Some to take the heat off of me!

I shot a squirrel one time with 0000buck in 12ga...it just vanished, actually disappeared

632 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:01:56pm

re: #598 albusteve

A truly great song by Hiatt:

633 LGoPs  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:02:17pm

re: #559 Walter L. Newton

The overt use of CGI is turing me off. It beginning to look like just what it is, overly done animation.

When used to compliment a scene, fine, and maybe when used in a completely fantasy setting where that sort of "unreal" look works, but for me, other than that, I can't stand it.

Big agreement. used to be that CGI was the 'filler' used to enhance the story. Lately it seems the reverse. a bunch of computer geeks trying to out impress each other with their keyboard skills and then if you're lucky, someone occasionally remembers to try to add a freaking story line...
The new Star Wars trilogy did it for me. It was nothing but CGI and I had a hell of a time trying to decipher the story. Finally gave up.

634 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:02:36pm

re: #601 Coracle

If tort reform is part of it, what tort reform?

Smallish idea; statutory limits on punitive damages.

Bigger idea; adopt "loser pays" (English) system.

635 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:02:37pm

re: #533 Coracle

...

My second question is a What If question. Assume for a moment that your worst nightmares come true and a bill resembling the current drafts passes with a Public Option. What can be done to ensure that it does not kill off private insurance. in 2 or 25 years?

The government plan will become the high cost alternative, insuring the uninsurable and bloated with bureaucracy. Don't mean to keep harping on the VA, but I'd like to see an analysis their cost for services delivered. My guess would be that it greatly exceeds the private sector, even after allowing for differences in the makeup of their patient population. Funny that no one has asked what it costs for the VA to deliver a particular service.

636 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:02:55pm

re: #622 Occasional Reader

Is there such a thing as non-mutual agreement?

Yes- reconciliation by the Dems so they can pass health care reform with 51% of the vote.

637 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:02:59pm

re: #631 albusteve

Why didn't you use a tactical nuke instead? ;-)

638 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:03:10pm

re: #620 jcm

*whew*

Some to take the heat off of me!

Don't mention the popper again, and you're safe.

639 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:03:28pm

re: #601 Coracle

That's really avoiding the question. If you're that there's no possible way of avoiding the death of private insurance if the health bill passes, then I have your answer...

Oh, and yes, you did have my answer. I'll say it one more time. If the progressives get what they want, that will be the end of private health care within a few years.

Why is that so hard to understand. That is what Obama said in the past, and if you read the current version of the proposals, you will see what direction the proposals move toward and statements by Congress people like Weiner is the icing on the cake.

What more proof do you need?

640 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:03:37pm

re: #600 Occasional Reader

I have to say, that movie didn't quite "work" for me. It's hard to put my finger on why. (In fairness, I was watching it on a tiny screen on an airplane, which always takes something away from the movie.)

I found the movie very "stagey," meaning, it didn't look real, it looked like a movie set, a cheap and cheesy set. I have noticed the same thing with other recent movies. Production values are way down. Producers would rather use CGI than build a realistic set.

641 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:03:39pm

re: #621 quickjustice

Alvin York: Cut the bullet in half to save lead, stuff it into the muzzle loader, and pop the squirrel in the head at 100 yards.

squirrel at a hundred yrds?...gimme a break...Crockett couldn't even do that...maybe if it was a 300 pounder

642 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:04:03pm

re: #631 albusteve

0000buck in 12ga

Quadruple-ought buck?!

643 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:04:07pm

re: #552 Kenneth

re: #537 KenJen

And then there is Waldheim's disease, when you get old and forget you were a Nazi.

We called it Waldheimer's.

/

644 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:04:12pm

re: #622 Occasional Reader

In a somewhat similiar vein, I was revieiwing a document this morning that kept mentioning how such and such an outcome will only be arrived at through "mutual agreement". Is there such a thing as non-mutual agreement?

I suppose you could have an agreement shoved down one's throat, a la the Versailles Treaty?

645 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:04:44pm

Brownies and lemonade, anyone?

646 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:04:47pm

re: #633 LGoPs

Big agreement. used to be that CGI was the 'filler' used to enhance the story. Lately it seems the reverse. a bunch of computer geeks trying to out impress each other with their keyboard skills and then if you're lucky, someone occasionally remembers to try to add a freaking story line...
The new Star Wars trilogy did it for me. It was nothing but CGI and I had a hell of a time trying to decipher the story. Finally gave up.

"Pirates of the Caribbean" the third movie, completely fucking incoherent.

647 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:04:49pm

I promise not to bring up Tom Ridge's comments from today.

648 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:04:51pm

re: #622 Occasional Reader

re: #615 Dianna


In a somewhat similiar vein, I was revieiwing a document this morning that kept mentioning how such and such an outcome will only be arrived at through "mutual agreement". Is there such a thing as non-mutual agreement?

The Treaty Of Versailles comes to mind.

649 jcm  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:05:06pm

re: #631 albusteve

I shot a squirrel one time with 0000buck in 12ga...it just vanished, actually disappeared

On a diet?

650 CommonCents  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:05:14pm

re: #638 Dianna

Are you a squirrel fan?

651 victoroftheapes  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:05:39pm

re: #645 Irish Rose

Brownies and lemonade, anyone?

Over the internet? We have this technology?

652 jcm  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:05:42pm

re: #638 Dianna

Don't mention the popper again, and you're safe.

Yes, ma'am!

*nods to the squirrel and backs out of the room*

653 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:05:56pm

re: #632 Kenneth

A truly great song by Hiatt:


his anthem...I've seen him do it with a flat top, very rare...a great song

654 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:06:26pm

re: #640 Alouette

I found the movie very "stagey," meaning, it didn't look real, it looked like a movie set, a cheap and cheesy set. I have noticed the same thing with other recent movies. Production values are way down. Producers would rather use CGI than build a realistic set.

I've been given the impression that CGI winds up being much more expensive then using some of the older techniques. And add to that the digital projection equipment, beefed up sound systems, all the other tech that has to upgrade to follow the advancements, and you have a whole new level of expense.

Think of it as an upgrade to your TV and audio systems. It only gets more expensive.

655 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:06:34pm

re: #645 Irish Rose

Brownies and lemonade, anyone?

I've heard about that Irish Lemonade!
And what is in the Brownies?
*wink*

656 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:06:46pm

re: #650 CommonCents

Are you a squirrel fan?

One last one before I go.

657 jorline  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:06:59pm

re: #579 MandyManners

From Weiner's Web site:
"Right now, I am working on one of the most important issues facing Americans today – fixing our nation’s broken health care system."

From Wiki

In late July of 2009, Weiner succeeded in securing a full House floor vote for single payer health care when Congress returns from its August recess, in exchange for not amending AAHCA in committee markup with a single-payer plan.
Weiner is known to be one of the most "intense" and demanding members of Congress, employing a bully style of management, which includes verbally abusing his staff and demanding round-the-clock devotion from his staff.

Sounds like a prick.

658 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:07:03pm

Later.
Perhaps.

659 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:07:35pm

re: #628 pre-Boomer Marine brat

re: #605 jcm


In junior high, a classmate's father had an "artillery" model Luger (don't know the proper designation, they were issued to artillerymen.) Verrry long barrel. Had a "pie-plate" magazine somewhat like the Thompson's.

A snail drum! Yes, and the proper term is "Artillery Luger", the actual Luger Carbine being another item in the catalog.

660 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:07:41pm

re: #637 quickjustice

Why didn't you use a tactical nuke instead? ;-)

wouldn't chamber quite right

661 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:07:44pm

re: #655 HoosierHoops

I've heard about that Irish Lemonade!
And what is in the Brownies?
*wink*

Pink lemonade, and nutty brownies.
Of course

662 jcm  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:07:45pm

re: #657 jorline

Sounds like a prick.

Well named...

663 CommonCents  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:07:50pm

re: #658 Occasional Reader

Later.
Perhaps.

There's optimism for you.

664 victoroftheapes  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:07:59pm

re: #657 jorline

Sounds like a prick.

He's a congressman. I don't think they come any other way.

665 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:07:59pm

re: #624 Walter L. Newton

I'm going to make this simple for you. Pass some tort reform, fix Medicare and Medicaid first, and if you are going to do anything with private health care, sit down with them, go over the problems, see where it can be fixed and tell them to fix it. If they are breaking the law, call them on it, otherwise, leave them alone, the market will take care of it.

That's barely a pre-amble.
What tort reform fixes.
Fix Medicare and Medicaid how.
Sit down with private healthcare... Who sits with whom, and with what kind of carrot or stick?

666 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:07:59pm

re: #657 jorline

Sounds like a prick.

Sounds like a progressive.

667 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:08:09pm

re: #657 jorline

re: #579 MandyManners


Sounds like a prick.

Goes off half-cocked, I'd wager.

668 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:08:49pm

re: #657 jorline

Sounds like a prick.

A Congressmanzilla.

669 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:09:05pm

re: #667 OldLineTexan

Goes off half-cocked, I'd wager.

Oh, come now.

670 KenJen  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:09:17pm

re: #646 Alouette

"Pirates of the Caribbean" the third movie, completely fucking incoherent.

Have you seen Australia? Pathetic. Except for the shirtless Hugh Jackman scenes.

671 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:09:21pm

re: #659 OldLineTexan

A snail drum! Yes, and the proper term is "Artillery Luger", the actual Luger Carbine being another item in the catalog.

Thanks.

672 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:09:26pm

Amateur Hour at the White House

I just about fell out of my chair yesterday when I read this in the Washington Post.

President Obama's advisers acknowledged Tuesday that they were unprepared for the intraparty rift that occurred over the fate of a proposed public health insurance program, a firestorm that has left the White House searching for a way to reclaim the initiative on the president's top legislative priority.

This confirms a suspicion I have had for some time, and made clear a few weeks ago: Democratic leaders in the White House and on Capitol Hill have only recently begun to take seriously the internal divisions within their own party.

Frankly, I am stunned that they would be caught off guard by this. How could they not have anticipated this? How could they possibly have been surprised that the left and right flanks of the party would not see eye to eye?

It's worth a trip over to look at the map that follows. Markers are placed for designations of 1) Democratic House committee chairmen, (2) House leaders and chairmen closely involved with health care, (3) The top 40 Democratic House members in McCain-voting districts, and 4) Committee chairmen from the McCain-voting districts.

In this case, a picture says 1000 words.

673 jcm  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:09:54pm

re: #667 OldLineTexan

Goes off half-cocked, I'd wager.

I wonder if he has anything in common with J F'n K?

674 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:09:59pm

re: #631 albusteve

re: #620 jcm


I shot a squirrel one time with 0000buck in 12ga...it just vanished, actually disappeared

Prairie Dog Sniping

675 victoroftheapes  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:09:59pm

re: #669 Irish Rose

Oh, come now.

I think the joke I'd like to make would get me banned.

676 CommonCents  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:10:13pm

re: #670 KenJen

Have you seen Australia? Pathetic. Except for the shirtless Hugh Jackman scenes.

How can you be so sure that wasn't CGI too?

677 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:10:24pm

re: #669 Irish Rose

re: #667 OldLineTexan


Oh, come now.

You just won two front-row tickets to a Gwar show.

Erm, congratulations!

/

678 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:10:25pm

Later, lizards.
Be nice to the hatchlings.

679 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:10:33pm

re: #665 Coracle

That's barely a pre-amble.
What tort reform fixes.
Fix Medicare and Medicaid how.
Sit down with private healthcare... Who sits with whom, and with what kind of carrot or stick?

Don't ask me. Ask the experts. I know when a watch is broken, but I can't fix it. That's what we pay taxes for, they work for us.

680 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:10:42pm

re: #667 OldLineTexan

Goes off half-cocked, I'd wager.

At least he's got balls...

681 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:10:44pm

re: #651 victoroftheapes

re: #645 Irish Rose


Over the internet? We have this technology?

BYOBAL

682 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:10:59pm

What is the reason health insurance companines can't operate from state to state and does anyone have any figures as to how much opening up competition would decrease rates?

683 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:11:30pm

re: #680 Kenneth

re: #667 OldLineTexan


At least he's got balls...

Pshaw, he's an empty sack.

684 yochanan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:11:31pm

Master and Commander was the last decent military based movie i have seen in some time.

last samurai was just wrong for historical reasons and too fucking p.c.
it was the Germans who trained the Meiji army it could have been a great movie if they had stuck to the real events which were known.
frankly the evil American who killed the great and wonderful native Americans had nothing to do with the Japanese leaving feudalism and becoming a advanced country in one generation and should have been left on the cutting room floor.

the same with the other movie i hated for p.c. reasons the gangs of new york
it was the Irish gangs that started the draft riots which ended up hanging afro Americans. but Hollywood has to make the pro American gang into the evil one. it was the democrats that were the copper heads and anti war and anti black in the civil war and not the republicans who at this time would more than likely been the flag wavers and not the racists.

685 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:11:35pm

re: #647 Gus 802

I promise not to bring up Tom Ridge's comments from today.

What? What did he say?

SPIT IT OUT!

686 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:11:45pm

re: #639 Walter L. Newton

Oh, and yes, you did have my answer. I'll say it one more time. If the progressives get what they want, that will be the end of private health care within a few years.

Then what will you do if it passes despite best efforts? Give up? Move?

687 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:12:04pm

re: #665 Coracle

That's barely a pre-amble.
What tort reform fixes.
Fix Medicare and Medicaid how.
Sit down with private healthcare... Who sits with whom, and with what kind of carrot or stick?

ckeck out how Texas does it...I posted this morning on the DT...do some research, google...it's all there

688 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:12:15pm

re: #672 Pianobuff

Amateur Hour at the White House


It's worth a trip over to look at the map that follows. Markers are placed for designations of 1) Democratic House committee chairmen, (2) House leaders and chairmen closely involved with health care, (3) The top 40 Democratic House members in McCain-voting districts, and 4) Committee chairmen from the McCain-voting districts.

In this case, a picture says 1000 words.

As you can see, coastal liberals dominate the leadership positions. California has six of the 24 leadership positions I have delineated. Another seven are located roughly within the megapolis that stretches from Washington, D.C. to Boston. Meanwhile, those marginal members are clustered in the South and the Border States, with a few sprinkled across the Great Plains and then into Arizona.

Fuck the fly-overs.

689 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:12:53pm

re: #685 wahabicorridor

What? What did he say?

SPIT IT OUT!

Look right here.

690 zombie  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:13:20pm

Question: Is the Weekly Standard a conservative magazine, or liberal, or what? I swear, I cannot keep these boringly named publications straight.

Also: Is it small-time/medium-time/big-time, or totally a joke?

691 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:13:30pm

re: #686 Coracle

Then what will you do if it passes despite best efforts? Give up? Move?

I'm moving to a real country...Nigeria!

692 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:13:52pm

re: #689 Gus 802

re: #685 wahabicorridor


Look right here.

The L-cubes have a new god.

693 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:13:59pm

re: #684 yochanan

Have you not seen Band of Brothers? It was excellent. (I, too, loved Master and Commander)

694 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:14:05pm

re: #688 MandyManners

As you can see, coastal liberals dominate the leadership positions. California has six of the 24 leadership positions I have delineated. Another seven are located roughly within the megapolis that stretches from Washington, D.C. to Boston. Meanwhile, those marginal members are clustered in the South and the Border States, with a few sprinkled across the Great Plains and then into Arizona.

Fuck the fly-overs.

And sometimes a picture is worth only a few words. ;)

695 victoroftheapes  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:14:46pm

re: #684 yochanan

last samurai was just wrong for historical reasons and too fucking p.c.
it was the Germans who trained the Meiji army it could have been a great movie if they had stuck to the real events which were known.
frankly the evil American who killed the great and wonderful native Americans had nothing to do with the Japanese leaving feudalism and becoming a advanced country in one generation and should have been left on the cutting room floor.

I'd pay good money for a Saigo Takamori movie, as he was ten times more awesome than the noble-savage character Watanabe Ken was playing. That said, Last Samurai had ninjas, and therefore rocked.

696 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:14:53pm

re: #692 OldLineTexan

The L-cubes have a new god.

L-cubes?

It's explosive stuff that's for sure. Some might call it rehashing.

697 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:15:11pm

re: #686 Coracle

Then what will you do if it passes despite best efforts? Give up? Move?

I won't let them force me to take their socialized health care and I won't pay the 2.5 percent of gross adjusted income tax they want me to pay if I don't take their coverage.

Yep, I would rather die then see this country move into the direction of Euro-socialism.

And guess what, I am 56 and I cannot afford health insurance. And the people I work for don't offer any assistance.

I still won't accept socialize health care.

So sue me.

698 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:15:38pm

re: #696 Gus 802

re: #692 OldLineTexan


L-cubes?

It's explosive stuff that's for sure. Some might call it rehashing.

Loony
Lib
Left

699 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:15:58pm

re: #697 Walter L. Newton

I won't let them force me to take their socialized health care and I won't pay the 2.5 percent of gross adjusted income tax they want me to pay if I don't take their coverage.

Yep, I would rather die then see this country move into the direction of Euro-socialism.

And guess what, I am 56 and I cannot afford health insurance. And the people I work for don't offer any assistance.

I still won't accept socialize health care.

So sue me.

I get the top bunk

700 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:16:06pm

re: #607 KenJen

Let me guess? The NYT?

No, local fishwrap.

701 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:16:12pm

re: #698 OldLineTexan

Loony
Lib
Left

Right -- there I go again. //

3XL

702 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:16:24pm

re: #679 Walter L. Newton

Don't ask me. Ask the experts. I know when a watch is broken, but I can't fix it. That's what we pay taxes for, they work for us.

Our "experts" have come up with 1000 page bills, and statements of platitudes and principles. I wouldn't have asked if I thought there was an optimum solution either on the table or offing already.

703 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:16:27pm

re: #669 Irish Rose

Oh, come now.

Here? In front of everyone?

704 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:16:50pm

re: #689 Gus 802

Look right here.

You know what my response to that bullshit is? He was governor of Pennsylvania! I was born and raised there and worked for state gov't during 3 Mile Island. I've seen up close and personal how dirty the state politics can be. If he doesn't know how to play hardball after that education I'm sure as hell not listening to his holier-than-thou whining now.

705 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:17:30pm

re: #697 Walter L. Newton

I won't let them force me to take their socialized health care and I won't pay the 2.5 percent of gross adjusted income tax they want me to pay if I don't take their coverage.

Yep, I would rather die then see this country move into the direction of Euro-socialism.

And guess what, I am 56 and I cannot afford health insurance. And the people I work for don't offer any assistance.

I still won't accept socialize health care.

So sue me.

I sometimes wonder if there will be a labor black market if mandates go into effect.

706 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:17:35pm

re: #690 zombie

The Weekly Standard is conservative, specifically NeoCon.

707 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:18:07pm

re: #706 Kenneth

They were just purchased by a theocrat.

708 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:18:14pm

re: #704 wahabicorridor

You know what my response to that bullshit is? He was governor of Pennsylvania! I was born and raised there and worked for state gov't during 3 Mile Island. I've seen up close and personal how dirty the state politics can be. If he doesn't know how to play hardball after that education I'm sure as hell not listening to his holier-than-thou whining now.

I'll take it with a grain of salt since it's basically a "tell all" for an upcoming book release. He thus has a monetary interest in this.

709 yochanan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:18:16pm

re: #608 CommonCents

What do you mean? He is Mickey Mouse!

mickey was pro American i would venture the hamasshole mouse instead for the zero

at least on Israel Huckabee is better than the zero so if i was between the gov'r and the zero i could support the huckster but i don't intend to even think about it till 2011 at the earliest.

710 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:19:09pm

re: #702 Coracle

re: #679 Walter L. Newton


Our "experts" have come up with 1000 page bills, and statements of platitudes and principles. I wouldn't have asked if I thought there was an optimum solution either on the table or offing already.

It should be left alone.

711 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:19:12pm

re: #707 Sharmuta

Who?

712 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:19:18pm

re: #702 Coracle

Our "experts" have come up with 1000 page bills, and statements of platitudes and principles. I wouldn't have asked if I thought there was an optimum solution either on the table or offing already.

you are lazy...

713 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:19:25pm

re: #657 jorline

He learned at the foot of the master - Chuck Schumer. He is one of Schumer's protegees.

714 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:19:45pm

re: #697 Walter L. Newton


Yep, I would rather die then see this country move into the direction of Euro-socialism.

And guess what, I am 56 and I cannot afford health insurance. And the people I work for don't offer any assistance.

I still won't accept socialize health care.

So sue me.

I wouldn't think of it. If it passes, you'll have troubles enough.

715 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:19:56pm

re: #697 Walter L. Newton

I won't let them force me to take their socialized health care and I won't pay the 2.5 percent of gross adjusted income tax they want me to pay if I don't take their coverage.

Yep, I would rather die then see this country move into the direction of Euro-socialism.

And guess what, I am 56 and I cannot afford health insurance. And the people I work for don't offer any assistance.

I still won't accept socialize health care.

So sue me.

I did not have health insurance five years ago when I fell and broke my ankle, so I walked home on it and self-treated with an ace bandage.

Because of my stubbornness, I will be wearing a brace for the rest of my life.

716 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:19:57pm

re: #702 Coracle

Our "experts" have come up with 1000 page bills, and statements of platitudes and principles. I wouldn't have asked if I thought there was an optimum solution either on the table or offing already.

I don't have to be an expert or have all the answers to know that I don't want the government running the health care of this country. I've worked for the DOE, I know what our government can and can't do and running health care is not one of those things.

But I do know what socialism is, I do know what socialized medicine is, and I do know there is not a country on the face of this planet that has socialized medicine and have the level of expertise that the medical community has in this country.

Done.

717 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:21:04pm

re: #712 albusteve

you are lazy...

Because I want to ask what other people think? That's a new definition for me.

718 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:21:13pm

re: #702 Coracle

Our "experts" have come up with 1000 page bills, and statements of platitudes and principles. I wouldn't have asked if I thought there was an optimum solution either on the table or offing already.

And no, YOUR progressives have come up with 1017 pages of proposals.

Your "experts" can't even distribute a couple of billion of dollars to a couple of thousand car dealers.

719 yochanan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:21:14pm

re: #693 wahabicorridor

band of brothers and private ryan were older i was talking about more current movies.

and being pro american for ww2 is safe.

720 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:21:35pm

re: #705 Pianobuff

I sometimes wonder if there will be a labor black market if mandates go into effect.

I think a lot of people will happily work under the table to avoid yet another tax.

721 CommonCents  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:21:38pm

re: #709 yochanan

mickey was pro American i would venture the hamasshole mouse instead for the zero

at least on Israel Huckabee is better than the zero so if i was between the gov'r and the zero i could support the huckster but i don't intend to even think about it till 2011 at the earliest.

Good point. I stand corrected.

722 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:21:43pm

re: #717 Coracle

Because I want to ask what other people think? That's a new definition for me.

I'll bet...get used to it

723 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:21:45pm

re: #546 DaddyG

Illiniguy09 - If you are lurking. I'm an Illini grad from '91

Everytime CalBear84 posts I get pissed off..Not at him..But Cal.. That was my dream College but I'd couldn't get in..
Maybe I should have climbed a tree and shit on the admissions board

724 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:22:08pm

re: #694 Pianobuff

And sometimes a picture is worth only a few words. ;)

Just like me, short and sweet.

725 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:22:25pm

Afghanistan Assessment
by Frederick W. Kagan & Kimberly Kagan
at The Weekly Standard

(The Kagan's were instrumental in drawing up the Surge strategy for Iraq. They support Gen. McChrystal's strategy for Af'stan.)

726 victoroftheapes  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:22:53pm

re: #723 HoosierHoops

Everytime CalBear84 posts I get pissed off..Not at him..But Cal.. That was my dream College but I'd couldn't get in..
Maybe I should have climbed a tree and shit on the admissions board

You don't do that to get in. You do it when you want tenure.

727 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:23:03pm

re: #715 Alouette

I did not have health insurance five years ago when I fell and broke my ankle, so I walked home on it and self-treated with an ace bandage.

Because of my stubbornness, I will be wearing a brace for the rest of my life.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. I'm stubborn, my position is silly, what?

728 jcm  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:24:06pm

re: #702 Coracle

Our "experts" have come up with 1000 page bills, and statements of platitudes and principles. I wouldn't have asked if I thought there was an optimum solution either on the table or offing already.

The majority of people have health care.
The majority of people are happy with health care.
We have world class health care.
10-12 million is the real number of people who can't afford insurance.

Is our health care system even broken?
Or does it have a few problems?

Why scrape the whole thing and put everyone in a Medicare style system, which is bankrupt, in a $35 Trillion hole, which forces providers to transfer cost to others not on medicare.

Does that even make sense?

Does it make more sense to keep the best parts, tweak the areas that are weak. Just a few areas that could be tweaked without affecting what is currently just fine. Nationwide insurance pools, drop mandates for elective procedures, tort reform, portability, same tax breaks for individuals as for corporations, etc...

Tweak the known problem areas, and see what happens. Instead of a whole sale demolition and rebuilding.

729 capitalist piglet  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:25:09pm

re: #714 Coracle

I wouldn't think of it. If it passes, you'll have troubles enough.

I must need more coffee. All this time, I thought you were arguing for it.

730 shiplord kirel  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:25:10pm

re: #711 Kenneth

re: #707 Sharmuta

Who?


One Phillip Anschutz, media tycoon and barking mad creationist, among other things.

731 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:25:17pm
732 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:25:29pm

re: #718 Walter L. Newton

And no, YOUR progressives have come up with 1017 pages of proposals.

Your "experts" can't even distribute a couple of billion of dollars to a couple of thousand car dealers.

You make (incorrect) assumptions as to who belongs to whom. Watch where you sling your paint.

I asked two honest question, because I want something better than what's on the table. I didn't ask for another lecture about how the current choice under consideration is bad.

733 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:25:43pm

re: #705 Pianobuff

re: #697 Walter L. Newton


I sometimes wonder if there will be a labor black market if mandates go into effect.

Drive by the Home Deopt with a pickup truck and sign that says day labor wanted. You will see that we have a large labor black market right now.

734 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:25:44pm

re: #727 Walter L. Newton

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. I'm stubborn, my position is silly, what?

I'm saying that refusing to get health insurance for yourself may cause some problems later.

Although after hearing my dr. describe the kind of surgery that I should have had 5 years ago, (but didn't), there is no way I could have paid for that without insurance.

735 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:26:20pm

re: #722 albusteve

I'll bet...get used to it

Wow.
Thanks for being so helpful.

736 J.S.  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:26:21pm

CNN is now broadcasting the first videos of the mass murdering getting off the plane in Libya. It's worse than I even imagined. Wolf Blitzer: there are "wild celebrations" taking place. Wild celebrations. It's a "hero's welcome." I hope the Scottish bastards and the EU craven cowards are happy now...are they also celebrating their "triumph?" I consider all of them criminal accomplices.

737 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:26:39pm

re: #731 buzzsawmonkey

Very nice!

738 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:27:21pm

re: #715 Alouette

I did not have health insurance five years ago when I fell and broke my ankle, so I walked home on it and self-treated with an ace bandage.

Because of my stubbornness, I will be wearing a brace for the rest of my life.

That's terrible..They can't operate on it? There must be something they can do..Heck I've seen ankles fixed up pretty good..
Can't they just re-break it and repair it properly?
Be well

739 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:27:22pm

re: #736 J.S.

CNN is now broadcasting the first videos of the mass murdering getting off the plane in Libya. It's worse than I even imagined. Wolf Blitzer: there are "wild celebrations" taking place. Wild celebrations. It's a "hero's welcome." I hope the Scottish bastards and the EU craven cowards are happy now...are they also celebrating their "triumph?" I consider all of them criminal accomplices.

Thank you Scotland, for shitting all over 270 victims of terrorism.

Where is William Wallace when you really need him?

740 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:27:31pm

Health care reform again...

A. Fix Medicare already.
B. Fix Medicaid already.
C. Fix the VA.
D. Rework the ADA so we don't have people co-opting the system.
E. Rework the disability system so we don't have people co-opting the system.
F. Tort reform.
G. Incentives for lowering health care costs.
H. Incentivize nationwide health insurance vs. state health insurance regulations.
I. Immigration reform.
J. Insurance reform negotiations working with the insurance companies.

741 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:27:33pm

re: #732 Coracle

You make (incorrect) assumptions as to who belongs to whom. Watch where you sling your paint.

I asked two honest question, because I want something better than what's on the table. I didn't ask for another lecture about how the current choice under consideration is bad.

you were given honest answers...what do you think of the Texas plan?...they have addressed tort reform, and guess what the outcome was?...did you even look at it?

742 Russkilitlover  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:28:16pm

I don't often get a chance to listen to Rush, but was in the car today when he was on. He ran one of his song parodies to the tune of American Pie.

In Obama's voice:

And tho I lied, lied at every townhall in sight
Drove my Chevy 'cross the country, tryin' to put up a fight.
Them good ole boys were standing right there outside, saying,
This will be the day that it died.
This will be the day Obamacare died.

ROTFL

743 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:28:26pm

re: #732 Coracle

re: #718 Walter L. Newton


You make (incorrect) assumptions as to who belongs to whom. Watch where you sling your paint.

Is it even valid to have it on the table? Why?

I asked two honest question, because I want something better than what's on the table. I didn't ask for another lecture about how the current choice under consideration is bad.

744 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:28:28pm

re: #711 Kenneth

Weekly Standard Sold for $1 Million

Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. has sold The Weekly Standard to Christian conservative billionaire Philip Anschutz — so the magazine's right-wing viewpoint is unlikely to change.

Philip Anschutz

Helped fund the Discovery Institute, a think tank based in Seattle, Washington that promotes intelligent design and criticizes evolution.

745 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:29:05pm

re: #738 HoosierHoops

That's terrible..They can't operate on it? There must be something they can do..Heck I've seen ankles fixed up pretty good..
Can't they just re-break it and repair it properly?
Be well

Surgery is an option, but it is very complex and will require months of recovery and therapy to walk again.

The brace is the more conservative treatment and what I'm going for at this time.

746 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:29:08pm

re: #730 shiplord kirel

I was too slow! Thanks for the help.

747 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:29:25pm

re: #736 J.S.

Disgusting.
So much for all that "respect around the world" Barry was going to restore.

Obama's fellow "citizens of the World" are spitting in his face at every turn.

748 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:29:41pm

re: #644 Dianna

I suppose you could have an agreement shoved down one's throat, a la the Versailles Treaty?

Or like what Obama is trying to do to Israel.

749 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:29:49pm

re: #744 Sharmuta

That's why I call it The Weakly Standard now.

750 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:30:13pm

re: #749 ArchangelMichael

The Weekly Ignorable.

751 Russkilitlover  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:30:41pm

re: #735 Coracle

Wow.
Thanks for being so helpful.

You're awful new around here to be so abrasive.

752 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:30:43pm

re: #729 capitalist piglet

I must need more coffee. All this time, I thought you were arguing for it.

Make it a double. I was specifically asking about alternatives. And about how to avoid the worst case scenario if something like the current bill passed. That was the whole point.

753 yochanan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:30:49pm

re: #732 Coracle

i think they should start smaller and fix things that everybody says is broken

1. tort reform
2. ins. company's cherry picking

if you fix just those two things then you can spend a much longer time studing the issue and get it right.

754 shiplord kirel  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:30:50pm

re: #736 J.S.

CNN is now broadcasting the first videos of the mass murdering getting off the plane in Libya. It's worse than I even imagined. Wolf Blitzer: there are "wild celebrations" taking place. Wild celebrations. It's a "hero's welcome." I hope the Scottish bastards and the EU craven cowards are happy now...are they also celebrating their "triumph?" I consider all of them criminal accomplices.

Their English allies at Al Guardian are no doubt weeping for joy as well. The Scots nationalists are trying to suck up to the monumentally arrogant America-hating bigots of the British chatterati. Let them pay a price.

755 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:31:21pm

re: #750 Sharmuta

The Weekly Ignorable.

I see Anschutz was behind Colorado's Amendment 2. That was an embarrassment to say the least.

756 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:31:25pm

re: #743 debutaunt

Sorry. I asked why anything was on the table.

757 yochanan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:31:33pm

re: #739 Alouette

euro land is dead just waiting for the levahah

758 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:32:14pm

re: #734 Alouette

I'm saying that refusing to get health insurance for yourself may cause some problems later.

Although after hearing my dr. describe the kind of surgery that I should have had 5 years ago, (but didn't), there is no way I could have paid for that without insurance.

Now I understand.

Well, no, I will not let the government force me into government run health care, period. If all this crap passes, and there is no way for me to retain or get private coverage, then fine, I won't have it.

759 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:32:38pm

re: #735 Coracle

Wow.
Thanks for being so helpful.

I'm one of the stupidest people on this board, but I rarely go whining to the others to inform me again about a subject that Charles has put multiple threads and millions of words have sliced it and diced it...there is a boatload of information out there but you want to pick on Walter to give you the 'Solution'...he's an actor and a writer and gave you an honest, smart opinion but it's not good enough for you...go figure it out on your own then

760 kcladderman  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:32:50pm

re: #736 J.S.

CNN is now broadcasting the first videos of the mass murdering getting off the plane in Libya. It's worse than I even imagined. Wolf Blitzer: there are "wild celebrations" taking place. Wild celebrations. It's a "hero's welcome." I hope the Scottish bastards and the EU craven cowards are happy now...are they also celebrating their "triumph?" I consider all of them criminal accomplices.

What is just for shits a grins a B-2 did a flyover of their celebration

761 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:33:02pm

re: #741 albusteve

you were given honest answers...what do you think of the Texas plan?...they have addressed tort reform, and guess what the outcome was?...did you even look at it?

In the ten minutes since I read your post about it? No. I will. It'll be even easier if you've got a link you'd be willing to share. Or am I lazy for asking for that?

762 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:33:04pm

re: #736 J.S.

CNN is now broadcasting the first videos of the mass murdering getting off the plane in Libya. It's worse than I even imagined. Wolf Blitzer: there are "wild celebrations" taking place. Wild celebrations. It's a "hero's welcome." I hope the Scottish bastards and the EU craven cowards are happy now...are they also celebrating their "triumph?" I consider all of them criminal accomplices.

All air travel to and from Libya should be shut down. If they want to adore someone who blew up an airplane, they should not get to use them.
Let them walk to another country where they get strip searched, and their luggage emptied and searched, with all electronic devices disassembled.
And this goes for Quadaffi and his entourage triple.

763 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:33:28pm

re: #759 albusteve

I'm more stupider, thank you very much.

764 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:33:30pm

re: #636 DaddyG

Morrissey commented on the U.S. Senate's "budget reconciliation" strategy to sneak through health care "reform" here:

[Link: hotair.com...]

765 zombie  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:33:38pm

re: #706 Kenneth

The Weekly Standard is conservative, specifically NeoCon.

re: #707 Sharmuta

They were just purchased by a theocrat.

Hmmm. OK. They linked to me and I was wondering if that was a good thing or a bad thing, and if it accounted for part of the reason why I was knocked offline for a while.

766 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:34:01pm

re: #732 Coracle

re: #718 Walter L. Newton


You make (incorrect) assumptions as to who belongs to whom. Watch where you sling your paint.

I asked two honest question, because I want something better than what's on the table. I didn't ask for another lecture about how the current choice under consideration is bad.

Doing nothing is better than what's on the table. I don't buy the crisis mode that Rahm and Obama are selling. We do have some issues with spiraling costs and access to insurance but that doesn't take an huge all purpose vaguely worded bill to fix. That takes a few well thought out and researched laws to keep ambulance chasers from bankrupting doctors and enforcement of existing immigration laws to keep from bankrupting emergency rooms. Make the gang bangers, drunk drivers and drug users pay for trauma care too.

767 jaunte  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:34:18pm

re: #728 jcm

I think you have hit on the key feature:
"...forces providers to transfer cost to others not on medicare."

768 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:34:48pm

re: #760 kcladderman

What is just for shits a grins a B-2 did a flyover of their celebration

A B-1 at low altitude.
A B-2 is a stealth aircraft. We want them to know about the flyover.
Maybe it could drop cassette recorders, too.

769 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:35:19pm

re: #751 Russkilitlover

What do you do when someone calls you lazy for asking a question?

770 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:35:42pm

re: #761 Coracle

In the ten minutes since I read your post about it? No. I will. It'll be even easier if you've got a link you'd be willing to share. Or am I lazy for asking for that?

it's on the overnight thread from this morning, or you can google all of that...I don't book that stuff, just post it for discussion if anybody's interested

771 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:35:54pm

re: #745 Alouette

Surgery is an option, but it is very complex and will require months of recovery and therapy to walk again.

The brace is the more conservative treatment and what I'm going for at this time.

I am so sorry...Angle and knee injuries are very painful...
I had a knee blow out once..The weight of a sheet on my leg was unbearable without pain killers...

772 CommonCents  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:35:59pm

More catering to terrorists. This is how we treat our enemies.

A day after meeting with New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, two North Korean diplomats will meet Thursday with community and business leaders in the state to discuss renewable energy initiatives, the governor's office said.

773 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:36:08pm

re: #766 DaddyG

Doing nothing is better than what's on the table. I don't buy the crisis mode that Rahm and Obama are selling. We do have some issues with spiraling costs and access to insurance but that doesn't take an huge all purpose vaguely worded bill to fix. That takes a few well thought out and researched laws to keep ambulance chasers from bankrupting doctors and enforcement of existing immigration laws to keep from bankrupting emergency rooms. Make the gang bangers, drunk drivers and drug users pay for trauma care too.

Yes, if my car is running rough, I don't take a sledgehammer to the engine.

774 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:36:51pm

re: #762 Kosh's Shadow

All air travel to and from Libya should be shut down. If they want to adore someone who blew up an airplane, they should not get to use them.
Let them walk to another country where they get strip searched, and their luggage emptied and searched, with all electronic devices disassembled.
And this goes for Quadaffi and his entourage triple.

Frankly I think some sanctions against Scotland are in order. They were the ones who released this terrorist murderer in the end.

775 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:37:02pm

re: #766 DaddyG

Doing nothing is better than what's on the table. I don't buy the crisis mode that Rahm and Obama are selling. We do have some issues with spiraling costs and access to insurance but that doesn't take an huge all purpose vaguely worded bill to fix. That takes a few well thought out and researched laws to keep ambulance chasers from bankrupting doctors and enforcement of existing immigration laws to keep from bankrupting emergency rooms. Make the gang bangers, drunk drivers and drug users pay for trauma care too.

They're inventing a "crisis" in order to exploit it.

776 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:37:13pm
777 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:37:14pm

In breaking news, has Glenn Beck been placed on forced leave at Fox for his claiming that President Obama is a "racist"?

[Link: www.mediabistro.com...]

778 shiplord kirel  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:37:23pm

re: #762 Kosh's Shadow

re: #736 J.S.


All air travel to and from Libya should be shut down. If they want to adore someone who blew up an airplane, they should not get to use them.
Let them walk to another country where they get strip searched, and their luggage emptied and searched, with all electronic devices disassembled.
And this goes for Quadaffi and his entourage triple.

The Hildabeast is exceedingly pissed over this. Too bad I don't believe in that Arkancide conspiracy crap so near and dear to the hearts of Freepers. This would be a good time to dust it off and get some wet work going.

779 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:37:42pm

The Car Cult is calling.

780 KenJen  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:37:58pm

re: #774 Gus 802

Frankly I think some sanctions against Scotland are in order. They were the ones who released this terrorist murderer in the end.

No more kilts for me./

781 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:38:20pm

re: #776 Sharmuta

In the Irony Department today:

Ex-reporter Jayson Blair now working as life coach

How to Lie 101.

782 jcm  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:38:26pm

re: #731 buzzsawmonkey

They're just trying to serf the public.

The certain have a feud, all over the place.

783 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:38:31pm

re: #752 Coracle

Make it a double. I was specifically asking about alternatives. And about how to avoid the worst case scenario if something like the current bill passed. That was the whole point.

Honestly, from one moment to the next, I have no idea where you are coming from, or what you really want.

I'll summarize my positions one more time. I don't have all the answers for you, but I don't have to be an expert to know when something is broken.

Even though it's broke, I don't want government to take control of the whole industry.

Currently, that is what the progressives (read socialist) want to do, and I don't believe them if they say that don't want socialized medicine, I believe otherwise.

If health care becomes socialized, similar to a Euro model, or the Canadian, or any mixture of all that, I will refuse to belong to any government sponsored plan, even if my health depends on it, and I will refuse to pay any fines as a result.

If I become a poster boy for my opposition, fine. Now, if I didn't answer any of your questions, or you need more detail, then you are going to have to fine the information somewhere else.

784 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:38:38pm

re: #773 Kosh's Shadow

re: #766 DaddyG


Yes, if my car is running rough, I don't take a sledgehammer to the engine.

It depends on what you are trying to accomplish, Kosh.

785 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:38:40pm

re: #774 Gus 802

Frankly I think some sanctions against Scotland are in order. They were the ones who released this terrorist murderer in the end.

Agreed. They'll have special security screening as well. Especially the government figures. Some "Justice Minister"; pandering to criminals minister is more like it.
You know why the Scottish Justice Minister doesn't wear a kilt? It would be too easy to tell he has no balls.

786 Killian Bundy  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:38:50pm

World's first Muslim superheroes, the 99, are headed for British television screens

The world's first Muslim cartoon superheroes have taken the Arab world by storm, and now they are headed for British television screens.

Jabbar, is one of The 99, the world's first Muslim cartoon superheroes
Named the 99, as each possesses one of Allah's 99 attributes, the characters include a burka-clad woman named Batina the Hidden and a Saudi Arabian Hulk-type man named Jabbar the Powerful.

They have proved a hit from Morocco to Indonesia and were recently named as one of the top 20 trends sweeping the world by Forbes magazine.

Now they are being brought to British television by Endemol, the production company behind Big Brother, with a mission to instill Islamic values in children across all faiths.

/hide your Jews

787 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:39:06pm

re: #769 Coracle

What do you do when someone calls you lazy for asking a question?

it's not the question asking...it's the fact that you don't thank anybody that answers you but prefer to go on about how you are not happy with those answers

788 Danny  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:39:15pm

re: #774 Gus 802

Frankly I think some sanctions against Scotland are in order. They were the ones who released this terrorist murderer in the end.

Please exclude single malt!

789 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:39:21pm

re: #776 Sharmuta

In the Irony Department today:

Ex-reporter Jayson Blair now working as life coach

Is he giving speeches where he says "Don't make up stories, or you could be living in a van down by the river"?

790 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:39:33pm

re: #773 Kosh's Shadow

re: #766 DaddyG


Yes, if my car is running rough, I don't take a sledgehammer to the engine.

Not a clunkers for cash fan huh? /

791 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:39:48pm

re: #789 Kosh's Shadow

Is he giving speeches where he says "Don't make up stories, or you could be living in a van down by the river"?

LOL! I miss Chris Farley.

792 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:40:29pm

re: #780 KenJen

re: #774 Gus 802


No more kilts for me./


Don't try to skirt the issue. /

793 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:40:42pm

re: #754 shiplord kirel

Painful as it is, it may be time to boycott Scottish whiskey, woolens, and haggis. The Scottish Executive has disgraced itself, and the pipes have fallen silent.

794 kcladderman  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:40:46pm

re: #768 Kosh's Shadow

A B-1 at low altitude.
A B-2 is a stealth aircraft. We want them to know about the flyover.
Maybe it could drop cassette recorders, too.

I have seen a few B-2 flyovers and I believe they would get the point across.
One of the advantages of living so close to Whiteman AFB

795 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:40:59pm

re: #788 Danny

Please exclude single malt!

I'm switching to Irish whiskey - at least for my next bottle

796 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:41:02pm

re: #786 Killian Bundy

World's first Muslim superheroes, the 99, are headed for British television screens

/hide your Jews

I'm sure the show has a lot of jooo-bashing.
I'm sure it will go over real well in Sweden.

797 victoroftheapes  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:41:07pm

re: #776 Sharmuta

In the Irony Department today:

Ex-reporter Jayson Blair now working as life coach

In one of the Douglas Adams novels ("Mostly Harmless" I think), there is an old crone who lives in a cage and is renowned for telling you how to live your life. Basically, she photocopies her autobiography and tells you not to do what she did.

798 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:41:23pm

OMG

Look at the photo of Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi on the front page of the BBC News.

Warning: this will piss you off.

799 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:41:44pm

re: #790 DaddyG

Not a clunkers for cash fan huh? /

Won't work; I have a 1999 Honda Civic, and get 33+ MPG.

800 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:41:46pm

re: #794 kcladderman

I have seen a few B-2 flyovers and I believe they would get the point across.
One of the advantages of living so close to Whiteman AFB

Rascist!
/

801 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:42:40pm

re: #759 albusteve

I'm one of the stupidest people on this board, but I rarely go whining to the others to inform me again about a subject that Charles has put multiple threads and millions of words have sliced it and diced it...there is a boatload of information out there but you want to pick on Walter to give you the 'Solution'...he's an actor and a writer and gave you an honest, smart opinion but it's not good enough for you...go figure it out on your own then

I've only been around a few weeks, plus a couple before that of checking in here off and on. I've seen several healthcare threads, mostly devodted to picking apart current proposals which is all fine. I have no problem with that (and said so above). I've seen "tort reform" "fix medicare" "fix medicaid" and the like dozens of times, but several posts above is the first time I saw any specific tort reforms mentioned, and I haven't seen any specifics on fixing either medicare or medicaid. I had not exhaustively read too many threads here. If there's some go-to thread for this question, I would gladly go to it.

I'm also not picking on Walter. I was trying to understand his position, and now I do.

802 Gearhead  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:43:03pm

re: #792 DaddyG

Don't try to skirt the issue. /

Don't go tartan something you can't finish.

803 KenJen  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:43:15pm

re: #793 quickjustice

Painful as it is, it may be time to boycott Scottish whiskey, woolens, and haggis. The Scottish Executive has disgraced itself, and the pipes have fallen silent.

What about their terriers? They are sooo cute.

804 yochanan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:43:28pm

re: #774 Gus 802

we should all get in kilts paint our faces blue and go moon the Scottish (or u.k.) embassy
if the lizardettes don't want to do it i will understand.

805 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:44:04pm

re: #804 yochanan

we should all get in kilts paint our faces blue and go moon the Scottish (or u.k.) embassy
if the lizardettes don't want to do it i will understand.

Sounds like a plan. Short of recalling the ambassador which is what should be done.

806 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:44:10pm

re: #803 KenJen

What about their terriers? They are sooo cute.

They freed their terrierists.

807 Danny  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:44:20pm

re: #795 Leonidas Hoplite

I'm switching to Irish whiskey - at least for my next bottle

NO TRUE SCOTSMAN WOULD...oh wait..n/m

808 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:45:00pm

re: #802 Gearhead

re: #792 DaddyG


Don't go tartan something you can't finish.

Stick a pipe in your wind bag and squeeze!

809 kcladderman  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:45:19pm

re: #776 Sharmuta

In the Irony Department today:

Ex-reporter Jayson Blair now working as life coach

Is his class across the hall from the Britney Spears mothering classes.

810 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:45:32pm

Lockerbie bomber returns to Libya, greeted by thousands

TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) - The only man convicted in the 1988 Lockerbie bombing has returned home to Libya to die after Scotland released him from prison Thursday, a decision that outraged some
relatives of the 270 people killed when the jetliner blew up over a Scottish town.

Greeted by thousands... this is bullshit.

811 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:45:34pm

re: #793 quickjustice

Painful as it is, it may be time to boycott Scottish whiskey, woolens, and haggis.

Should I get a new nic?

/I think there's already a boycott on haggis.

812 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:45:57pm

Well, this isn't good:

Tom Ridge: “Politically Motivated” White House Pushed me to Raise Threat Level

US News & World Report says Ridge, in a forthcoming book titled “The Test of Our Times: America Under Siege...and How We Can Be Safe Again,” says he was pushed to raise the security alert on the eve of President Bush's re-election and that he saw the move at politically motivated and worth resigning over.

813 Eowyn2  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:46:09pm

re: #5 brennant

I am a newb last round, and came here to read a conservative viewpoint without the lunacy.


wait until we get a really bad pun thread

814 KenJen  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:46:17pm

re: #808 DaddyG

Stick a pipe in your wind bag and squeeze!

Pleats stop bickering you two.

815 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:46:31pm

re: #810 Gus 802

Lockerbie bomber returns to Libya, greeted by thousands


Greeted by thousands... this is bullshit.


Rich Target Environment... mumble.

816 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:46:52pm
817 beens21  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:47:32pm

I am still amazed at what Bolt has done in the past few days.9.58 and today a

19.19 in the 200m. Usually those records get beat by .01, but he beat his own WR by .11 in the 200.He would have beaten Michael Johnson by 2 meters.

818 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:47:33pm

Gah. I have to say, posting links and using bold, italics, etc. on LGF from IE7 has become truly frustrating.

819 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:47:45pm

Libya crowd cheers Lockerbie bomber
Aug 20 2009

Thousands of Libyan people have greeted Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi on his return to Tripoli.

Some displayed Megrahi's picture on T-shirts while Libyan and Scottish flags were also being waved by members of the crowd at a military airport

Cheered.

Waving Libyan AND Scottish flags.

820 yochanan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:47:54pm

re: #811 scottishbuzzsaw

no need to boycott it is the fucking gov't that did this MOON THE B'TARDS.

821 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:48:38pm
822 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:48:45pm

re: #812 Occasional Reader

Well, this isn't good:

Tom Ridge: “Politically Motivated” White House Pushed me to Raise Threat Level

Isn't good, but really no surprise. At least not for me.

823 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:48:46pm

re: #790 DaddyG

Not a clunkers for cash fan huh? /

I briefly considered using C4C to get rid of my old SUV. The $4500 is a lot more than trade-in value. While I didn't really want a new set of car payments, what pushed the deal off the table for me was that they were going to trash a perfectly good vehicle. They should re-cycle.

824 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:48:54pm

re: #803 KenJen

We'll just rename them all "Angus".

825 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:49:27pm

re: #816 MikeySDCA

Are you saying Tripoli lacks a branch of Rent-a-Crowd? Unlikely.

I think it was "show up and be happy or else."

826 Killian Bundy  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:50:21pm
827 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:50:49pm

re: #812 Occasional Reader

Tom Ridge is a stupid thug. I'm not surprised he joins Scott McClellan in stabbing George W. Bush in the back.

828 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:51:26pm
829 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:51:43pm

re: #826 Killian Bundy

/Reports Megrahi is to fly home on Gaddafi's private jet

President Barack Obama said the decision to free terminally ill Abdel Baset al-Megrahi on compassionate grounds was a mistake and warned Libya not to give him a hero's welcome.

And that's what he got: a hero's welcome. This is an outrage.

830 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:51:49pm

re: #819 Gus 802

Cheered.

Waving Libyan AND Scottish flags.

[took me three tries to quote this text... gah, this is just awful.]

I'd like to know the last time a mass-murdering terrorist made a publicly-known return to his Muslim-majority country of origin and did NOT receive a hero's welcome, come to think of it.

831 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:52:06pm

re: #826 Killian Bundy

Don't kid yourself. There would be no crowd if Qaddafi commanded it. And remember, the bomber was acting as an agent of the Libyan government. He's a patriot in their eyes.

832 Bagua  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:52:10pm

re: #826 Killian Bundy

Yep, he is a hero back home.

833 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:52:16pm

re: #801 Coracle

my apologies...you will learn ten times more by lurking and reading than posting in those complicated threads...every question imaginable will come up and get sorted out...there is no silver bullet to the health insurance issue, but there is an approach that can soften up the rough spots and make them easier to deal with one at a time...that's why I told you to look at Texas and tort reform...some of the reforms are relatively easy to fix and other aspects are far more difficult considering the pandering and issues like the Axelrod problem...asking one person to give you the solution to all this is asking way too much, altho a few people here can come damn close imo...lurking is your friend at LGF

834 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:53:17pm

re: #833 albusteve

I don't want Coracle to lurk. I'm interested in what s/he has to say.

835 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:53:32pm

re: #818 Occasional Reader

I switched to IE8, with a great deal of trepidation, and was amazed at how much better it is than IE7.

Try it, you'll like it! And I am a computer dummy.

836 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:53:35pm

re: #830 Occasional Reader

[took me three tries to quote this text... gah, this is just awful.]

I'd like to know the last time a mass-murdering terrorist made a publicly-known return to his Muslim-majority country of origin and did NOT receive a hero's welcome, come to think of it.

That is true. And this was obviously foreseen.

837 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:53:41pm

re: #823 Son of the Black Dog

I briefly considered using C4C to get rid of my old SUV.

If that doesn't work, just use C4 to get rid of it. (But we want video!)

838 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:53:49pm

Hello all...

I'm thinking of composing an AGW troll hammer, like the one I did for the Creationists a while back.

So here are some first ones:

What is the ideal temperature of the Earth?

First off, average temperatures are a limited way of understanding the problem. A planet with half of it at -100 degrees centigrade over half of its surface and 140 degrees centigrade over the other half has an average temperature of a comfortable 20 degrees. However either, -100 or 140 would kill you very quickly. The issue is that as the average temperature rises, there is a vast amount more heat in the Earth's system and that weather and growing patterns shift to the detriment of people who need food and don't wish to live underwater.

The climate is always changing!

Yes, so what? The point is the notion of a stable cycle in a dynamic equilibrium. In less scientific language, the idea is that the climate of the Earth has many systems in a balance that may wobble around a central mean, but never goes out of certain bounds. We are shifting that balance to a more hot and wet world. The consequences of that shift, if nothing changes, are catastrophic.

But the Sun surely is the cause of it!

This has been ruled out. The fact of the mater is that it takes a certain amount of energy to shift a system as large as the Earth. Solar variations simply do not have enough energy to account for the warming we are directly observing. This is not to say that solar variation has no effect, rather that the effects it does have are too small.

But the Earth wobbles in funny ways!

Yes it does. The Earth's orbit is not a perfect circle and the Earth's axis has little wobbles in it too. However, much like the solar variation argument, this has been ruled out. Again there is not enough of an energy budget to account for what we are observing.

It's all a commie plot - Evil Gorebots are coming to take my stuff!

The world scientific community is not politically motivated. One of the points of thousands of independent observers making thousands of independent analysis is to take things like politics and human preconceptions out of the picture as much as possible. This is part of why science works.

More importantly, political fears about policy are not science. If you are concerned that politicians will abuse the science for their own ends, the best course of action is to learn the science and then to demand more reasonable policies. However, denying the science only takes you out of the discussion.

But thousands of scientists are skeptical, this blog written by some dude in his basement says so!

Cherry picked stuff from actual scientists coupled with the interpretations of cranks without the support of data or peer review are not science. The fact is that tens of thousands of actual scientists are very clear about the reality of the situation. Why not look at what their stuff, peer reviewed and supported by data - has to say.

Some links from reputable sources:

[Link: www.aip.org...]

[Link: scienceblogs.com...]

839 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:53:57pm

re: #827 quickjustice

Tom Ridge is a stupid thug. I'm not surprised he joins Scott McClellan in stabbing George W. Bush in the back.

Wait, wait, wait... what if it is actually true? Is it stupid to tell the truth? Is this stabbing someone in the back or coming clean about the truth? I don't want to see either side playing games like this.

840 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:54:15pm

re: #835 NY Nana

I switched to IE8, with a great deal of trepidation, and was amazed at how much better it is than IE7.

Try it, you'll like it! And I am a computer dummy.

I'm at work at the moment. We don't really get a choice here.

841 Flyovercountry  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:54:49pm

re: #544 Pianobuff

Huckabee does best in head to head w/Obama

Our fifth monthly national survey matching up Barack Obama against some possible 2012 opponents comes to the same two primary conclusions as the other four:

1) Obama leads all comers
2) Mike Huckabee, at least at this early stage, is the strongest GOP candidate

In this particular iteration of the poll, Huckabee comes the closest to Obama that he has yet, trailing just 47-44. That's tightened since the President led 48-42 a month ago.

Huckabee also has the best overall favorability rating of the Republican quartet we tested, at 45/28.

Huckabee is not the most popular candidate among GOP voters though. While 66% of them have a favorable opinion of him, 72% have a favorable opinion of Sarah Palin.

Palin's overall numbers have seen a pretty steep decline in the last month though. Two July surveys we conducted actually showed her numbers slightly improving from pre-resignation announcement levels, to a 47/45 spread. That's now dropped to 40/49. Among Democrats she's gone from 25% with a favorable opinion of her to 15%, and among independents she's gone from 45% to 37%.

In her head to head contest with Obama, Palin is down 52-38 after her 51-43 deficit a month ago had been the closest we have measured for her to date.

After Huckabee Mitt Romney polls the closest to Obama and also has the second best net favorability rating, at 37/34. He trails 47-40 in a head to head. There continues to be one pretty bad piece of news for him in these polls though, which is that he's the least popular of this quartet with GOP voters. Only 52% have a favorable opinion of him, and that lagging popularity with the overall Republican electorate has become a continuous theme in our 2012 surveys.

Newt Gingrich, seemingly the least likely nominee of the bunch, trails Obama 49-41 and has a 33/42 negative favorability rating...

Continued at the link.

Please tell me this isn't so for two reasons. First, I will not be able to vote for Huckebee, physically speaking. Second, why are they running these polls already? We have jumped the shark as a party.

842 yochanan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:54:51pm

re: #836 Gus 802

MURDERING DHIMMI is what they do

it is in the koran

843 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:54:57pm

re: #787 albusteve

it's not the question asking...it's the fact that you don't thank anybody that answers you but prefer to go on about how you are not happy with those answers

I didn't say I wasn't happy with the answers. I honestly thought several proffered responses were not answers to the questions and was interested in clarification before gratitude. I was planning on saying thanks to all before taking off, but if that's not the right protocol, I'll ask everyone's forgiveness.

I am grateful for all the responses so far. It's already been informative for me. I'd like to try and build myself a little list out of this thread and see how it looks all together.

But in the meantime, thanks to:
Wlater, Occasional Reader, Simple VOice, wahabicorridor, Son of the Black Dog, debutaunt, jcm, Gus 802, and you.

And I'm sorry if I've missed someone.

844 Wendya  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:55:22pm

re: #829 Gus 802

And that's what he got: a hero's welcome. This is an outrage.

President Barack Obama says the Libyan convicted in the Pan Am 103 bombing and freed Thursday by Scottish authorities must not receive a hero's welcome upon his return to Libya.


[Link: www.google.com...]

Looks like Libya just told him to piss off.

845 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:56:10pm

re: #843 Coracle

That's kind of you to say thanks, but it's not a standard that's applied to others around here when they ask questions. Just so you know.

846 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:56:14pm

re: #844 Wendya

And that's what he got: a hero's welcome. This is an outrage.


[Link: www.google.com...]

Looks like Libya just told him to piss off.

Well, everyone else has, why should Libya be any different?

847 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:56:29pm
848 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:56:56pm

re: #844 Wendya

And that's what he got: a hero's welcome. This is an outrage.


[Link: www.google.com...]

Looks like Libya just told him to piss off.

No doubt. The video of his return should have an even bigger negative impact and raise my BP. Damn the bastards.

849 Fenris  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:57:19pm

Hatchlings. That's a new one. Wait, is it?

850 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:57:25pm

re: #824 quickjustice

We'll just rename them all "Angus".

You have a beef with them or something?

851 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:57:29pm

re: #837 Occasional Reader

If that doesn't work, just use C4 to get rid of it. (But we want video!)

Would have been the same result for the SUV.
On the one hand I'd be out the $4500.
On the other hand, it would have been a lot more fun.

But I think I'll just drive it a few more years.

852 KenJen  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:57:37pm

re: #846 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, everyone else has, why should Libya be any different?

He can't get no respect.

853 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:57:49pm

re: #839 Walter L. Newton

Wait, wait, wait... what if it is actually true? Is it stupid to tell the truth? Is this stabbing someone in the back or coming clean about the truth? I don't want to see either side playing games like this.

It would help if I could remember when Tom Ridge left the administration. And I can't.

854 jcm  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:58:04pm

re: #844 Wendya

And that's what he got: a hero's welcome. This is an outrage.


[Link: www.google.com...]

Looks like Libya just told him to piss off.

He asked for an open hand...

He just keeps getting slapped with it.

855 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:58:17pm
856 yochanan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:58:21pm

re: #838 LudwigVanQuixote

and killing our econ with cap and tax when the indians and chinese don't is going to help us how?

not expanding nuke power because the greens will not let us proves to me it is more about politics than the env. as nuke power will not ad to global warming at all. It is proven to work were wind mills, solar panels etc are will of the wisps.

857 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:58:23pm

This is a victory for the Islamists.

858 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:58:26pm

re: #846 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, everyone else has, why should Libya be any different?

But... but... they were supposed to like him, because he looks more like them!

/one of the dumber lib talking points I heard in the run-up to the election

859 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:58:36pm

re: #843 Coracle

just post away...nothing ventured, nothing gained...you're okay

860 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:58:52pm

re: #826 Killian Bundy

Here is the vomitrocious news from Sky (UK)

861 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:59:15pm

re: #793 quickjustice

Painful as it is, it may be time to boycott Scottish whiskey, woolens, and haggis. The Scottish Executive has disgraced itself, and the pipes have fallen silent.

O.K...you boycott the scotch, I'll boycott the haggis ;-)

862 CommonCents  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:59:29pm

re: #838 LudwigVanQuixote

Your hot air is overheating the planet. That's my own personal opinion.

863 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:59:35pm

re: #857 Gus 802

This is a victory for the Islamists.

Well, with a bum prostate the 72 virgins ain't going to do him any good when he goes.

/

864 Gearhead  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:59:36pm

re: #847 MikeySDCA

Surprise, surprise.

POTUS has no concept of when to keep his yap shut. He should have just condemned the release and gone back to his waffle. Libya is going to pay attention to what he says only in order to do the opposite.

865 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:59:40pm

re: #839 Walter L. Newton

There is such a thing as loyalty to the boss. If it's true, Ridge should have resigned on the spot. Instead, he hung around, saving the juicy bits to sell his book. Ridge is like McClellan, pandering and smearing his old boss for dollars.

866 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:59:45pm

re: #850 Kosh's Shadow

You have a beef with them or something?

Careful, or the tail of this dog of a pun thread of yours will Wagyu, rather than the other way around.

867 shiplord kirel  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:00:27pm

re: #844 Wendya

re: #829 Gus 802

And that's what he got: a hero's welcome. This is an outrage.


[Link: www.google.com...]

Looks like Libya just told him to piss off.

He needs the kind of welcome we have given so many other terrorist heroes, Hellfire right between the eyes.

868 KenJen  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:00:29pm

re: #863 OldLineTexan

Well, with a bum prostate the 72 virgins ain't going to do him any good when he goes.

/

LOL!

869 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:00:51pm

re: #866 Occasional Reader

Careful, or the tail of this dog of a pun thread of yours will Wagyu, rather than the other way around.

You're just trying to rib me. I can handle a pun thread; I'll steak my reputation on it.

870 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:00:57pm

re: #863 OldLineTexan

Well, with a bum prostate the 72 virgins ain't going to do him any good when he goes.

/

Maybe. I'm willing to bet he lasts longer than 3 months. Even so he deserves to die in prison.

871 victoroftheapes  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:01:05pm

re: #866 Occasional Reader

Careful, or the tail of this dog of a pun thread of yours will Wagyu, rather than the other way around.

Can I call a foul for punning into another language?

872 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:01:07pm

re: #852 KenJen

He can't get no respect.

Got to earn respect. Can't think of anything he's done for it yet that he hasn't pissed on.

873 Bagua  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:01:11pm

re: #838 LudwigVanQuixote

Hello all...

I'm thinking of composing an AGW troll hammer, like the one I did for the Creationists a while back.

So here are some first ones:

What is the ideal temperature of the Earth?

First off, average temperatures are a limited way of understanding the problem. A planet with half of it at -100 degrees centigrade over half of its surface and 140 degrees centigrade over the other half has an average temperature of a comfortable 20 degrees. However either, -100 or 140 would kill you very quickly. The issue is that as the average temperature rises, there is a vast amount more heat in the Earth's system and that weather and growing patterns shift to the detriment of people who need food and don't wish to live underwater.

The climate is always changing!

Yes, so what? The point is the notion of a stable cycle in a dynamic equilibrium. In less scientific language, the idea is that the climate of the Earth has many systems in a balance that may wobble around a central mean, but never goes out of certain bounds. We are shifting that balance to a more hot and wet world. The consequences of that shift, if nothing changes, are catastrophic.

But the Sun surely is the cause of it!

This has been ruled out. The fact of the mater is that it takes a certain amount of energy to shift a system as large as the Earth. Solar variations simply do not have enough energy to account for the warming we are directly observing. This is not to say that solar variation has no effect, rather that the effects it does have are too small.


Cherry picked stuff from actual scientists coupled with the interpretations of cranks without the support of data or peer review are not science. The fact is that tens of thousands of actual scientists are very clear about the reality of the situation. Why not look at what their stuff, peer reviewed and supported by data - has to say.

Some links from reputable sources:

[Link: www.aip.org...]

[Link: scienceblogs.com...]

Simplistic questions deserve simplistic answers. You help raise the standards of both sides by such a response.

But one caution, all the appeals to the: there's thousands of us we know better, do more to alienate than educate.

874 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:01:15pm

re: #863 OldLineTexan

re: #857 Gus 802


Well, with a bum prostate the 72 virgins ain't going to do him any good when he goes.

hahahahahahahahahaha

/

875 yochanan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:01:22pm

the zero is much better at screwing allies.
sometimes i think he almost likes being a wossie to the islamist dog.

876 Gearhead  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:01:32pm

re: #867 shiplord kirel

He needs the kind of welcome we have given so many other terrorist heroes, Hellfire right between the eyes.

Given his illness, he may soon get just that.

877 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:01:32pm

re: #840 Occasional Reader

I'm at work at the moment. We don't really get a choice here.

Too bad...it would be so much easier.

878 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:01:39pm

re: #856 yochanan

and killing our econ with cap and tax when the indians and chinese don't is going to help us how?

not expanding nuke power because the greens will not let us proves to me it is more about politics than the env. as nuke power will not ad to global warming at all. It is proven to work were wind mills, solar panels etc are will of the wisps.

Ummm.. This would be the point I made about, if you don't like the policy, learn the science so that you can push for better policy, but denying the science or going off in a rant only removes you from the discussion.

I'm just curious, someone back me up... How many times have I written that nuclear is an important part of the solution? How many times have I said that we should limit our purchase of Chinese and INdian goods unless they get more green?

Just seriously, how many times have I suggested these things?

But also, those are POLICY questions. They are not SCIENCE questions.

879 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:01:46pm

re: #866 Occasional Reader

Careful, or the tail of this dog of a pun thread of yours will Wagyu, rather than the other way around.

I've sure-loined a lot about puns on LGF...

880 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:01:59pm

re: #862 CommonCents

Your hot air is overheating the planet. That's my own personal opinion.

Why thank you. What was false in what I wrote?

881 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:02:09pm

re: #850 Kosh's Shadow

A beef with "black dogs?" The Scottish Terrier is an ornery little rogue. He's bred to hunt varmints, and varmints he hunts.

882 skiflorida  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:02:56pm

re: #865 quickjustice

Exactly. Ridge is a bitter John McCain wannabe without the honor.

883 truth stick  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:03:09pm

re: #795 Leonidas Hoplite

I'm switching to Irish whiskey - at least for my next bottle

I guess I will have to switch to Bushmills. I really like the original, and the 21 year are my 2 favorites.

884 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:03:28pm

re: #881 quickjustice

A beef with "black dogs?" The Scottish Terrier is an ornery little rogue. He's bred to hunt varmints, and varmints he hunts.

That explains why my in-laws' Scottie is always nipping my ankles...

885 bagua  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:03:55pm

re: #862 CommonCents

Your hot air is overheating the planet. That's my own personal opinion.

That's not really fair, most of the factual stuff Ludwig posts is very helpful, I take issue with some of the Alarmism though.

886 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:03:59pm

I'm getting nauseated flashbacks to the video of the Munich Olympics murderers being given a hero's welcome to cheering throngs in... Algeria, was it?

887 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:04:03pm

re: #833 albusteve

my apologies...you will learn ten times more by lurking and reading than posting in those complicated threads...every question imaginable will come up and get sorted out...there is no silver bullet to the health insurance issue, but there is an approach that can soften up the rough spots and make them easier to deal with one at a time...that's why I told you to look at Texas and tort reform...some of the reforms are relatively easy to fix and other aspects are far more difficult considering the pandering and issues like the Axelrod problem...asking one person to give you the solution to all this is asking way too much, altho a few people here can come damn close imo...lurking is your friend at LGF

Thank you, albusteve. The reason I decided to ask, was because lurking in the last 10 days wasn't giving me the answers I was looking for. I was asking for details I had not seen presented here before. I didn't assume no one had said anything, but if they had, I'd missed them. I also figured it would be cool to have them in a potential "go to" thread for the question. I figured quickly since the first answers to my question weren't "go look at this thread" that there wasn't such a resource available at this time.

888 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:04:29pm

re: #865 quickjustice

There is such a thing as loyalty to the boss. If it's true, Ridge should have resigned on the spot. Instead, he hung around, saving the juicy bits to sell his book. Ridge is like McClellan, pandering and smearing his old boss for dollars.

I don't agree with the "loyalty to the boss" part.

That's sounds like something that someone told me once. He said "You are the most loyal and honest person I have ever met, but that's not your job here. Your job is to make me, your boss, look good."

If he is just pandering and playing this for money, than that's not good either, and I don't agree.

But I still stand by my other statement. If this is true, and Bush had the threat level increased for political reasons, then Bush is an asshole for that.

889 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:04:50pm

re: #849 fenrisdesigns

Hatchlings. That's a new one. Wait, is it?

Hey newbe! Welcome...Is that your art on the website?
is so..jeez...You are really good

890 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:05:09pm

re: #881 quickjustice

A beef with "black dogs?" The Scottish Terrier is an ornery little rogue. He's bred to hunt varmints, and varmints he hunts.

As of today, the breed is hereby re-named "Freedom Terrier".

/

891 jcm  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:05:30pm

Cash-for-clunkers deal ends Monday, U.S. says

The federal government will end its popular cash-for-clunkers progam on Monday at 8 p.m. Eastern, Transportation Secreatary Ray LaHood Department announced Thursday. As of Thursday, the govenment had approved $1.9 billion in rebates covering 457,000 vehicles. The program gives consumers up to $4,500 toward the purchase of a new fuel-efficient vehicle if they turn in an older, less-efficient vehicle. Congress has approved $3 billion for the program, which was designed to clear out inventories of unsold cars, boost auto production, and improve the environment by getting polluting cars off the road.
892 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:05:43pm

re: #886 Occasional Reader

I'm getting nauseated flashbacks to the video of the Munich Olympics murderers being given a hero's welcome to cheering throngs in... Algeria, was it?

Most of those "heros" were hunted down and killed by Israeli special forces.

893 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:05:49pm
894 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:05:54pm

re: #873 Bagua

Simplistic questions deserve simplistic answers. You help raise the standards of both sides by such a response.

But one caution, all the appeals to the: there's thousands of us we know better, do more to alienate than educate.

Your point is taken to some extent. The deniers would have you believe that the scientific world has some controversy in it about AGW that is not there, much like the ID people would have you believe that there is strong dissent about evolution in the scientific world. This is just false. The reality is that the consensus has formed.

As to the second point. I am a bit personally vexed by the notion that any old person knows as much about science as the actual scientific community who spent actual years working very hard to gain expertise. People who dedicate decades of their lives in the pursuit of difficult and meaningful things deserve respect, not condemnation for actually knowing what they are talking about.

You wouldn't talk that way to a Medical Doctor. Why do you think you have the right to piss on scientists?

895 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:05:56pm

re: #881 quickjustice

A beef with "black dogs?" The Scottish Terrier is an ornery little rogue. He's bred to hunt varmints, and varmints he hunts.

Unfortunately, they let a varmint get away today.

896 Killian Bundy  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:06:29pm

Holy O Turns 'Faith' Healer

Repeatedly invoking the Bible, President Obama yesterday told religious leaders that health-care critics are "bearing false witness" against his plan.

Has he even found a church yet, after seven months?

/what a pompous ass

897 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:07:08pm

re: #886 Occasional Reader

I'm getting nauseated flashbacks to the video of the Munich Olympics murderers being given a hero's welcome to cheering throngs in... Algeria, was it?

Same here. It would lead me to say something I can get banned for.

898 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:07:19pm

re: #845 Sharmuta

That's kind of you to say thanks, but it's not a standard that's applied to others around here when they ask questions. Just so you know.

Thanks. I know I'm special. My mother told me so.

899 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:07:40pm

Yooper, Hoplite, what did I write that was false in any way? Do come out and say?

900 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:07:53pm

re: #891 jcm

Cash-for-clunkers deal ends Monday, U.S. says

And the dealers will get paid in another few months, right?

901 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:08:11pm

re: #898 Coracle

Thanks. I know I'm special. My mother told me so.

yes, I hope she did...she would be right about that

902 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:08:13pm

Contact Kenny MacAskill MSP

This is the MSP that released Abdelbeset Ali Mohmed al Megrahi.

903 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:08:14pm

re: #888 Walter L. Newton

"If this is true", Walter, and Ridge's office was being abused by the President, he should have resigned his office. Despite the disgraceful example of Clinton's cabinet concealing Clinton's lies, there's still the matter of personal honor and self-respect.

If you hang around as your boss lies to the American people, you're a political hack without honor or self-respect.

904 jcm  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:08:19pm

re: #900 Kosh's Shadow

And the dealers will get paid in another few months, right?

If they're lucky...

905 CommonCents  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:08:24pm

re: #880 LudwigVanQuixote

But thousands of scientists are skeptical, this blog written by some dude in his basement says so!

The second half of that statement. There are true scientists who are skeptical. I think it would have been much better had you not implied that anyone who doubts your theories listens to "some dude in his basement".

906 CommonCents  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:09:12pm

re: #885 bagua

That's not really fair, most of the factual stuff Ludwig posts is very helpful, I take issue with some of the Alarmism though.

He does, it was just the one piece that irked me. My statement was a tad inflammatory.

907 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:09:30pm

re: #849 fenrisdesigns

Welcome hatchling!
Upding!

908 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:09:54pm

re: #894 LudwigVanQuixote

Ian Plimer

909 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:10:06pm

re: #886 Occasional Reader

given a hero's welcome to by cheering throngs

GAAAH It took me over a full minute to compose this simple post. Infuriating.

910 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:10:06pm

re: #896 Killian Bundy

A new adjective for President Obama: "sanctimonious".

911 CommonCents  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:10:26pm

re: #886 Occasional Reader

I'm getting nauseated flashbacks to the video of the Munich Olympics murderers being given a hero's welcome to cheering throngs in... Algeria, was it?

I hear you. I think I'll watch "Munich" tonight (for that parts that make me feel good inside).

912 Bagua  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:10:28pm

re: #894 LudwigVanQuixote

Your point is taken to some extent. The deniers would have you believe that the scientific world has some controversy in it about AGW that is not there, much like the ID people would have you believe that there is strong dissent about evolution in the scientific world. This is just false. The reality is that the consensus has formed.

As to the second point. I am a bit personally vexed by the notion that any old person knows as much about science as the actual scientific community who spent actual years working very hard to gain expertise. People who dedicate decades of their lives in the pursuit of difficult and meaningful things deserve respect, not condemnation for actually knowing what they are talking about.

You wouldn't talk that way to a Medical Doctor. Why do you think you have the right to piss on scientists?

Hi Lud,

My point being if one wants to "stoop" to the level of being an educator, one mustn't be overly patronizing about it. Even though you are correct in saying that the experts tend to know better, it makes it harder for the student to learn.

(I absolutely agree that most people comments have nary a clue about what they are talking about, but we are talking politics, policy and education here, not peer review.)

913 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:10:31pm

re: #894 LudwigVanQuixote

Luap Nor is a medical doctor.

914 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:11:16pm

re: #11 debutaunt

Oh, we have some loons.

In that case, spell-check needs to add "loon-acy" to its options, right? {G}

915 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:11:49pm

How can we get the"White House.Gov" site to link to that???
That would be fun!!

re: #893 Ben Hur

916 shiplord kirel  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:11:55pm

re: #862 CommonCents

re: #838 LudwigVanQuixote

Your hot air is overheating the planet. That's my own personal opinion.

I, too, have an opinion but as a scientist I am a lot more interested in facts. I am also a Goldwater conservative of 45 years standing and therefore one of the last people in the world who would distort the facts to advance a left-wing social and economic agenda.
On the best available evidence, and there is a lot of it, anthropogenic global warming is both real and significant enough to require serious action at the policy level. Ludwig has given you some good links to real sources. Read them, and keep in mind the distinction between the science itself and the policy proposals various opportunists have put forward in response.

917 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:12:36pm

re: #899 LudwigVanQuixote

Yooper, Hoplite, what did I write that was false in any way? Do come out and say?

I like alot of your pure science links...I don't agree about the Sun being ruled out in AGW.. I think it can ruled out in it's current cycle...But I think overall the Sun controls a vast amount of our Weather...There are some scientists I agree with from the dailygalaxy and the Universetoday concerning the overall Solar effect..

918 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:12:43pm

I once gave myself tennis elbow patting myself on the back for being so gosh-darned smart, but I was young and healed up quickly.

/

919 yochanan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:13:07pm

the scotland of old would not have returned him in one piece maybe in 4 pieces

europe enjoy your new overlords.

920 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:13:27pm
921 Gearhead  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:13:28pm

re: #896 Killian Bundy

Holy O Turns 'Faith' Healer

Has he even found a church yet, after seven months?

/what a pompous ass

Well, at least he had the good sense to toss out a few key phrases ('bearing false witness', 'brother's keeper') so he could sound "credible."

Fortunately for the ministers it was a phone call, so they could roll their eyes without risking an audit.

922 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:13:44pm

re: #917 HoosierHoops

Changing Sun, Changing Climate?

Hope that helps, {Hoops}

923 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:13:51pm

re: #918 OldLineTexan

I once gave myself tennis elbow patting myself on the back for being so gosh-darned smart, but I was young and healed up quickly.

/

The only difference between a pat on the back or a kick in the ass is about 24 inches

924 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:14:16pm

re: #838 LudwigVanQuixote

Hello all...

I'm thinking of composing an AGW troll hammer, like the one I did for the Creationists a while back.

Watch who you call "troll", troll.

925 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:14:29pm

re: #916 shiplord kirel

I, too, have an opinion but as a scientist I am a lot more interested in facts. I am also a Goldwater conservative of 45 years standing and therefore one of the last people in the world who would distort the facts to advance a left-wing social and economic agenda.
On the best available evidence, and there is a lot of it, anthropogenic global warming is both real and significant enough to require serious action at the policy level. Ludwig has given you some good links to real sources. Read them, and keep in mind the distinction between the science itself and the policy proposals various opportunists have put forward in response.

There needs to be a distinction made between the science and the proposed policies. They're not the same thing.

926 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:14:45pm

re: #921 Gearhead

Well, at least he had the good sense to toss out a few key phrases ('bearing false witness', 'brother's keeper') so he could sound "credible."

Fortunately for the ministers it was a phone call, so they could roll their eyes without risking an audit.

Why are we questioning the faith of Obama? How can we question his faith? We don't know what is in his heart.

927 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:14:56pm

re: #788 Danny

Please exclude single malt!

Actually, I've found that married malt works just as well..

/

928 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:15:01pm

re: #899 LudwigVanQuixote

Yooper, Hoplite, what did I write that was false in any way? Do come out and say?

I didn't care for your condescension, that's why I down-dinged you.

I'm not convinced that AGW is A. Go ahead, call me a 'denier', it'll just make me dig in my heels and not win you over to your side.

I recently read a book titled Cool It by a scientist that does beleive in AGW, but offers up a long list of alternatives to deal with it beside cap-and-trade. While I don't necessarily agree with him, his thoughts on the subject were far more rational and realistic, in my opinion, and I found the book helpful in understanding the issue.

929 Gearhead  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:15:28pm

re: #926 Walter L. Newton

Why are we questioning the faith of Obama? How can we question his faith? We don't know what is in his heart.

For that matter, we don't even know if he has one...

931 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:15:40pm

re: #927 ShanghaiEd

Actually, I've found that married malt works just as well..

/

Did I answer your question?

932 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:15:41pm

re: #898 Coracle

Thanks. I know I'm special. My mother told me so.

I think you're pretty smart and I like smart newbies.

933 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:16:10pm

What about the effects of deep ocean currents? I haven't kept up with the research (hell, there are only 24 hours in a day, and even with my awful sleep patterns, I lose at least four of those trying to sleep).

934 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:16:41pm

re: #885 bagua

That's not really fair, most of the factual stuff Ludwig posts is very helpful, I take issue with some of the Alarmism though.

Some of it is helpful, but some of it is not. His alarmism is a major turnoff though. When he does it, he comes across as no different than one of those evangelical nuts claiming that we should all repent for the end of the world is nigh. There's no solutions, no options, just a "we're all gonna die!" attitude. It's why I do not value his contributions in this area, and why I usually GAZE over his posts.

Yes, we are aiding and abeting the warming of the Earth. How much? Unknown, but being alarmist helps no one. And to claim that humans and only humans are warming the Earth is just as disingenuous as claiming that humans have no effect on the climate and environment what-so-ever. There's more going on here, and we're still learning about it.

935 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:16:41pm

re: #922 Sharmuta

Changing Sun, Changing Climate?

Hope that helps, {Hoops}

{Sharm} what up girl? Did you see the simple models link on that page...
Looks like a great read at bedtime...Thanks

936 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:16:42pm

re: #905 CommonCents

The second half of that statement. There are true scientists who are skeptical. I think it would have been much better had you not implied that anyone who doubts your theories listens to "some dude in his basement".

NO, I am pointing to the failure of the critics to bring peer reviewed stuff with actual data to bak themselves. Most of their stuff comes from denialist sites which are written by non-scientists. These sites have a history of cherry picking and distorting data at best and out and out fabricating at worst. A good sign they are crap is if they feel persecuted by some conspiracy of status quo science or rant about grant money.

As to actual scientists who are skeptical, be very careful. The debates are now about highly technical issues about this or that model or analysis. Almost no-one in the legitimate scientific community doubts the overall picture.

One of the biggest skeptics is Ian Plimer. He has falsified data. He has cherry picked. He has been called out on all sorts of sides by real scientists. These are dreadful accusations to make about any scientist. They are well founded.

The most notable skeptic is Freeman Dyson. Dyson is a very great man. He has stated things that worry him about the present formulation, and many other physicists of equal or greater stature have personally argued with him. However, Dyson is not all of science, and Dyson does not come out and say ludicrous things like CO2 can have no effect. Further, Dyson does not work in the field.

937 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:16:43pm

re: #916 shiplord kirel

The solution to global warming: Miniature nuclear power plants!

[Link: www.physorg.com...]

938 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:16:43pm

re: #929 Gearhead

For that matter, we don't even know if he has one...

I have a heart. I keep it in a bottle of formaldehyde on a shelf.

939 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:17:13pm

re: #933 Dianna

What about the effects of deep ocean currents? I haven't kept up with the research (hell, there are only 24 hours in a day, and even with my awful sleep patterns, I lose at least four of those trying to sleep).

They still don't account for the increased GHG in the atmosphere.

940 Bagua  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:17:31pm

re: #916 shiplord kirel

Read them, and keep in mind the distinction between the science itself and the policy proposals various opportunists have put forward in response.

Exactly,

But the problem being people can not define clear distinctions between the two.

As far as "skepticism," I suppose it's no real secret that I am a bit leaning to the Skeptic side myself, However, I have not yet seen a disputation to the AGW theory that is acceptable, a few Hypothesis to develop and some emerging questions, but the actual disputation has not yet been advanced.

Thus I too find it very insulting to "my" side when I see simplistic disputation being thrown out there just because the poster is a "skeptic."

941 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:17:32pm

re: #920 Gus 802

Now why does that video make the phrase "cluster bombs" pop into my mind.

942 victoroftheapes  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:18:03pm

re: #926 Walter L. Newton

Why are we questioning the faith of Obama? How can we question his faith? We don't know what is in his heart.

Because he's a politician who we dislike, I should think. You're right that we cannot know what is in his heart, though I suspect, based on his past associations, that he worships at Our Lady of the Politically Expedient. I never bought the Muslim rumor for exactly that reason.

943 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:18:14pm

re: #941 Occasional Reader

Now why does that video make the phrase "cluster bombs" pop into my mind.

My guess would be the context. ;)

944 UncleRancher  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:18:33pm

Daum. Again I missed my chance to register a troll.

945 KingKenrod  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:18:48pm

Obama is turning his back on nuclear energy yet again, proving he is not serious about fighting AGW.

If AGW is such a big problem, why is Obama guaranteeing $2 billion in loans to Brazil (and minority Soros-held Petrobras) for oil exploration when he won't guarantee the same amount to a US-owned and operated uranium enrichment plant? Oil causes AGW; nuclear doesn't.

Interesting item at Hot Air.

946 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:19:13pm

site unusable on IE6, even on this faster workstation. cpu pegged at 100% on front and thread pages.

since nobody else is complaining ... maybe time for me to try firefox!?!

947 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:19:13pm

re: #926 Walter L. Newton

re: #929 Gearhead
We have seen his "fruits"! ...Can his heart be far behind??
The Chameleon!!

948 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:19:16pm

re: #942 victoroftheapes

Because he's a politician who we dislike, I should think. You're right that we cannot know what is in his heart, though I suspect, based on his past associations, that he worships at Our Lady of the Politically Expedient. I never bought the Muslim rumor for exactly that reason.

You don't know me very well, do you. I should have used the sarcasm tag, since we have new hatchlings on board today.

I was being sarcastic. Sorry.

949 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:19:47pm

re: #939 Sharmuta

They still don't account for the increased GHG in the atmosphere.

Ah?

The problem with deep ocean currents (when I was still keeping up with oceanography research) was that we don't actually understand what's going on with them very well, and they have a profound influence on...well, pretty much everything.

950 Killian Bundy  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:20:19pm

/too bad they're pretty much useless in Afghanistan

951 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:20:38pm

re: #945 KingKenrod

Also, if AGW is on the verge of killing the planet and wiping out civilization (etc. etc.), why would any proposed "last chance" proposal to fight it exempt such tiny industrial pipsqueaks as, oh, China, and India? So they can "catch up"... in, er, killing the planet... oookay.

952 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:20:47pm

re: #944 UncleRancher

Daum. Again I missed my chance to register a troll.

UncleRancher_Sock_puppet_carrying_heat_and_hungry_for_troll_meat?
/Sorry...Somebody beat you to it

953 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:20:58pm

re: #941 Occasional Reader

Now why does that video make the phrase "cluster bombs" pop into my mind.

Because you are as angry as I am.

Then I remind myself that it's more than possible that a lot of the people in that crowd don't want to be there.

954 victoroftheapes  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:20:59pm

re: #948 Walter L. Newton

You don't know me very well, do you. I should have used the sarcasm tag, since we have new hatchlings on board today.

I was being sarcastic. Sorry.

My apologies. I'll get better at reading the room. To be fair, I would have responded that way even if I thought you were being sarcastic. I'd just have found a way to include a fart joke.

955 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:21:13pm

re: #938 Walter L. Newton

I have a heart. I keep it in a bottle of formaldehyde on a shelf.

Robert Bloch, science fiction writer (he wrote the Wolf in the Fold episode of Star Trek, the one with Jack the Ripper, for those non-science fiction fans) says he has the heart of a little boy.
In a jar on his desk.

956 Bagua  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:21:37pm

re: #924 Son of the Black Dog

Watch who you call "troll", troll.

Yes, I agree with you and Yooper, et. al.,

Lud, you do have a tendency to take the Religious view on AGW, calling the heretics "deniers" and such. Thus, much of your good data gets pushed aside.

I really think it's important to choose between educator and propagandist. Offering the facts and data as you see them without being so judgemental and dismissive of the other side would advance your cause.

957 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:22:08pm

Okay, posting has just become too tortuously slow and frustrating, and I have to finish some things. Hasta luego.

958 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:22:16pm

Here is a starting point for those who want to look into AGW more that's been provided by Freetoken on several occasions, and I'm currently working through:

The Discovery of Global Warming

I started at the top:

Introduction: A Hyperlinked History of Climate Change Science

959 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:22:31pm

re: #908 Walter L. Newton

Ian Plimer

Yes I was waiting for Plimer to show up. He is a fraud and a charlatan.

Michael Ashley has a great review of the nonsense that Plimer publishes.

[Link: www.theaustralian.news.com.au...]

960 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:22:43pm

re: #937 quickjustice

The solution to global warming: Miniature nuclear power plants!

[Link: www.physorg.com...]

If that would truly work and could be mass produced on a meaningful scale at the costs they're saying, that would rock. But it looks like decades out, even on a fast track.

961 Bagua  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:22:44pm

re: #946 itellu3times

site unusable on IE6, even on this faster workstation. cpu pegged at 100% on front and thread pages.

since nobody else is complaining ... maybe time for me to try firefox!?!

Yes it is, I was just using the site on IE and it was so slow I couldn't respond. I switched to FF3.5 and there is very little delay.

962 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:23:03pm

re: #936 LudwigVanQuixote

What critic of AGW would you give an ear to, in the sense that he/she is not politically driven and has a point, even if you think you have data to the contrary?

Are you saying there is not a single reputable scientist that has at least a stable but debatable point against all the tenants of AGW?

963 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:23:15pm

re: #949 Dianna

Still wont account for increases in GHG to the atmosphere.

964 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:24:20pm

re: #958 Sharmuta

Here is a starting point for those who want to look into AGW more that's been provided by Freetoken on several occasions, and I'm currently working through:

The Discovery of Global Warming

I started at the top:

Introduction: A Hyperlinked History of Climate Change Science

Hey I was the one who keeps bringing this!

965 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:24:39pm

re: #945 KingKenrod

You answered your own question: to enrich Soros. Remember, the U.S. Treasury is now the personal piggy bank of every large donor to the Democratic Party. They're not even concealing it except behind the word "stimulus".

966 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:25:17pm

re: #964 LudwigVanQuixote

Hey I was the one who keeps bringing this!

Sorry! I favorited Freetoken, though I know you link them too.

967 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:25:30pm

re: #959 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes I was waiting for Plimer to show up. He is a fraud and a charlatan.

Michael Ashley has a great review of the nonsense that Plimer publishes.

[Link: www.theaustralian.news.com.au...]

And I was waiting for an opinion. I know nothing of this subject, and don't pretend to, and rarely engage in any of this discussion, although I do have a general question of you at re: #962 Walter L. Newton that I would like answered.

968 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:25:31pm

re: #960 Coracle

Read the article. Five years to commercial production of miniature nuclear power plants-- orders being taken now!

969 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:26:11pm

re: #962 Walter L. Newton

What critic of AGW would you give an ear to, in the sense that he/she is not politically driven and has a point, even if you think you have data to the contrary?

Are you saying there is not a single reputable scientist that has at least a stable but debatable point against all the tenants of AGW?

NO, I said that Dyson is a great man and that he is in the minority. Even Einstein was wrong about QM. The point is that science is not about appeals to authority, it is about appeals to evidence.

Einstein was eventually swayed but the facts. Dyson will be swayed byt the facts as well.

970 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:27:02pm

/Did someone say 'haggis'?

971 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:27:16pm

Just stopped in to say "Hey" to the hatchlings.

I hope there aren't any shells on the floor when I come back.

972 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:27:52pm

re: #968 quickjustice

Read the article. Five years to commercial production of miniature nuclear power plants-- orders being taken now!

Yeah - I was looking at the update. I think 5 years is optimistic:

The Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) contacted PhysOrg.com to state that the NRC has no plans to review the Hyperion design in the near future, although the NRC and Hyperion have had preliminary talks. Because the Hyperion design is unique, the NRC expects that it will take significant time to ensure safety requirements. In a response to a letter from October 2008, the NRC stated:
“Hyperion Power Generation is in the early stages of development of this design, and very little testing information is available for this design concept. Hyperion Power Generation has indicated that it will submit technical reports to support a pre-application review in late FY 2009. The NRC cannot engage in any meaningful, formal technical interaction with the potential applicant until we receive those reports. Because of the very limited amount of test data and lack of operating experience available for a uranium hydride reactor, the NRC staff anticipates that a licensing review would involve significant technical, safety, and licensing policy issues.”
973 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:28:12pm

re: #971 ggt

Just stopped in to say "Hey" to the hatchlings.

I hope there aren't any shells on the floor when I come back.

Hurry back ggt!

974 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:28:43pm

re: #962 Walter L. Newton

What critic of AGW would you give an ear to, in the sense that he/she is not politically driven and has a point, even if you think you have data to the contrary?

Are you saying there is not a single reputable scientist that has at least a stable but debatable point against all the tenants of AGW?

I look at AGW after reading both sides that..
Earth's Weather goes in cycles...It's going to cycle no matter what..
My whole life until Gore came along 99% of all people thought it was crazy to think man can control weather...
I'm willing to bet a trillion dollars that a 100 years from now...Man will still be subject to the whims of Elements...
/And the Sun...
//Hi Walter!

975 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:29:07pm

re: #931 Walter L. Newton

Did I answer your question?

Absolutely! Please see my tardy e-mail reply headed your way.

976 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:30:55pm

re: #969 LudwigVanQuixote

NO, I said that Dyson is a great man and that he is in the minority. Even Einstein was wrong about QM. The point is that science is not about appeals to authority, it is about appeals to evidence.

Einstein was eventually swayed but the facts. Dyson will be swayed byt the facts as well.

As I said above, I don't know anything about this subject, and I have nothing to add.

So, you are saying that this Dyson is the only scientist in the world that you consider reputable on the subject of AGW, but wrong.

Or are there other reputable scientist that don't agree with the AGW model you espouse and have a reasonable (but wrong) opinion on the science?

977 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:32:06pm

re: #928 Leonidas Hoplite

I didn't care for your condescension, that's why I down-dinged you.

I'm not convinced that AGW is A. Go ahead, call me a 'denier', it'll just make me dig in my heels and not win you over to your side.

I recently read a book titled Cool It by a scientist that does beleive in AGW, but offers up a long list of alternatives to deal with it beside cap-and-trade. While I don't necessarily agree with him, his thoughts on the subject were far more rational and realistic, in my opinion, and I found the book helpful in understanding the issue.

Where did you ever get that I support cap and trade? I have said here at least 50 times that I don't think it is good policy.

Again, someone back me up on that.

However, you seem to be confusing science and policy yourself.

I repeat. Look at the science and get really educated about it. Then you will have a strong basis to argue for better policies. In the mean time, don't assume that am supporting the present unworkable crap that congress is doing.

If the right were actually not in a state of denial over this, we might have had something useful done. Instead, we got a democratic political deal that doesn't help much.

978 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:32:41pm

This is like asking Ken Miller if there are any reputable scientists that don't agree with the evolutionary model.

979 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:33:08pm

re: #974 HoosierHoops

I look at AGW after reading both sides that..
Earth's Weather goes in cycles...It's going to cycle no matter what..
My whole life until Gore came along 99% of all people thought it was crazy to think man can control weather...
I'm willing to bet a trillion dollars that a 100 years from now...Man will still be subject to the whims of Elements...
/And the Sun...
//Hi Walter!

But you see that's not true. People in the science world began to worry about this being a potential problem as far back as the 1920's

980 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:33:36pm

re: #978 Sharmuta

This is like asking Ken Miller if there are any reputable scientists that don't agree with the evolutionary model.

Well, I'm sorry that I asked!@ Do you mind?

981 Bagua  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:33:37pm

re: #969 LudwigVanQuixote

NO, I said that Dyson is a great man and that he is in the minority. Even Einstein was wrong about QM. The point is that science is not about appeals to authority, it is about appeals to evidence.

Einstein was eventually swayed but the facts. Dyson will be swayed byt the facts as well.

And that's the real point, the facts will prevail. Thus, it is not at all necessary to brand every questioner an immoral denier, nor is it necessary to stifle dissent. Rather, encourage advancement development of the science free and clear of political and media manipulation and you may have some hope of convincing the voters.

982 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:34:25pm

re: #978 Sharmuta

This is like asking Ken Miller if there are any reputable scientists that don't agree with the evolutionary model.

I know absolutely zilch on this subject. I am trying to get educated. I'm sorry I didn't ask the right question.

983 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:34:35pm

re: #962 Walter L. Newton

What critic of AGW would you give an ear to, in the sense that he/she is not politically driven and has a point, even if you think you have data to the contrary?

Are you saying there is not a single reputable scientist that has at least a stable but debatable point against all the tenants of AGW?

Walter, I think there are legitimate criticisms to certain methods, and certain conclusions in different subcategories. Rates and mechanisms, sources of error, fidelity of instruments, all have quibble space, and there can be dissent within disciplines and subdisciplines about which analysis is the most reliable. However the vectors of all the various conclusions all point the same direction, and there is no reputable scientist who can counter all of it with the facts in hand. That is not to say no such person or group can ever come along, but the body of evidence that a new theory would have to explain better is pretty damn big.

And with that, I'm out for a while.
Thanks all.

984 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:34:47pm

re: #974 HoosierHoops

I look at AGW after reading both sides that..
Earth's Weather goes in cycles...It's going to cycle no matter what..
My whole life until Gore came along 99% of all people thought it was crazy to think man can control weather...
I'm willing to bet a trillion dollars that a 100 years from now...Man will still be subject to the whims of Elements...
/And the Sun...
//Hi Walter!

Robert Conquest wrote something about "the ultimate totalitarian dream of controlling the weather."

Whenever I think of AGW or AGC, or "climate change", or whatever, I think of that.

985 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:34:47pm

re: #980 Walter L. Newton

Do you mind?

Not according to my father, I don't.

*rimshot*

986 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:35:29pm

Vunderbar

President Barack Obama says the Libyan convicted in the Pan Am 103 bombing and freed Thursday by Scottish authorities must not receive a hero's welcome upon his return to Libya.

Qaddafi to Obama:

'Kiss my xxx'

Hopenchange!

987 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:35:49pm

re: #985 Sharmuta

Not according to my father, I don't.

*rimshot*

I suspect your father was most honest and correct.

988 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:36:35pm

re: #981 Bagua

re: #969 LudwigVanQuixote


And that's the real point, the facts will prevail. Thus, it is not at all necessary to brand every questioner an immoral denier, nor is it necessary to stifle dissent. Rather, encourage advancement development of the science free and clear of political and media manipulation and you may have some hope of convincing the voters.

It's more fun to shout "Denier" and work your way up to "Nazi", however. I have seen the glee in it personally. No projections needed.

989 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:36:55pm

re: #976 Walter L. Newton

As I said above, I don't know anything about this subject, and I have nothing to add.

So, you are saying that this Dyson is the only scientist in the world that you consider reputable on the subject of AGW, but wrong.

Or are there other reputable scientist that don't agree with the AGW model you espouse and have a reasonable (but wrong) opinion on the science?

No, I sited two examples that the denier blogosphere commonly likes to talk about.

I am saying that there are tens of thousands of scientists who are convinced by the data. The fact that there are still some holdouts, after all of this time is not nearly he point as much as what has happened in terms of all of the evidence that has come in.

In 1990 there was a lot of room left for debate as to weather or not man was the primary driver of the current cycle. There was maybe a 50/50 split in the community. After nearly 20 more years of looking into this, the split is more like 99.9/.1

990 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:37:09pm

re: #844 Wendya

And that's what he got: a hero's welcome. This is an outrage.


[Link: www.google.com...]

Looks like Libya just told him to piss off.

That is seriously Wee Wee'd up!

President Obama is betting on a more successful September than August, when it comes to his bid for healthcare reform.

At an online forum on healthcare held Thursday at the Democratic National Committee (DNC), Obama drew on his own political experience to predict better fortunes next month.

"There's something about August going into September where everyone in Washington gets all 'wee-weed' up," the president said.

Obamics.

991 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:37:15pm

re: #982 Walter L. Newton

I know absolutely zilch on this subject. I am trying to get educated. I'm sorry I didn't ask the right question.

Well- LVQ and I have linked some information where you could start. I myself am learning, but I'm going to learn what the science says, and not the propaganda from folks who mirror the discovery institute.

992 shiplord kirel  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:37:49pm

re: #937 quickjustice

re: #916 shiplord kirel

The solution to global warming: Miniature nuclear power plants!

[Link: www.physorg.com...]

A nifty idea, not least because it would cause far-left luddites to foam at the mouth and fall to the floor in paroxysms of rage. The luddites are not really interested in new sources of energy, of course. They are interested in denying cheap energy to the proles, reserving it for the kind of social and cultural elite they imagine themselves to embody.

Up to a point, I can understand how they feel: It irks me that my Lexus (and my Chevy when it's running) have to share the streets with various louts in crewcab pickups for which they have no real use. I mean, shouldn't they be huffing along behind a wheelbarrow or something? It's downright scandalous that some vulgarian gets to use more energy watching Amercian Idol than I do listening to Gustav Holst. I just wish the luddites were honest about this so their objectives could be evaluated realistically before they are adopted as policy.

993 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:37:58pm

re: #982 Walter L. Newton

I know absolutely zilch on this subject. I am trying to get educated. I'm sorry I didn't ask the right question.

the whole subject had been pimped out for money, power, and probably even sex...I don't trust anybody and I'm not alone...scientist and politicians and flim flam men have wrecked all perspective for ordinary people...I just sit back and watch people fight over the scraps of trust

994 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:38:09pm

re: #979 LudwigVanQuixote

But you see that's not true. People in the science world began to worry about this being a potential problem as far back as the 1920's

Um, remember the attempt to convince people of global cooling in the 1970's.

Those who were trying to promote it were dismissed out of hand. People still had some common sense about such things. Back then, no one bought bottles of drinking water like today. Back then such a thing would have been laughed at.

Wait long enough for people to dumb down and you can sell them anything. IMO.

995 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:38:48pm

re: #979 LudwigVanQuixote

But you see that's not true. People in the science world began to worry about this being a potential problem as far back as the 1920's


I never said scientist didn't study and worry about the environment..Hell dude...I'm sure back in the caveman days they were worried about Weather also...
Maybe the current policy statement of those days was to sacrifice a Virgin or two..
Sometimes it works...Sometimes it doesn't...
/

996 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:39:11pm

re: #981 Bagua

And that's the real point, the facts will prevail. Thus, it is not at all necessary to brand every questioner an immoral denier, nor is it necessary to stifle dissent. Rather, encourage advancement development of the science free and clear of political and media manipulation and you may have some hope of convincing the voters.

Actaully Bagua, that is deeply unfair. I do not mix my politics with my discussions of AGW.

I have always brought the facts and my best understanding of them as a physicist.

If you feel that the facts I have brought are alarmist, you have not been looking at those facts carefully enough. The fact of the matter is that any sane person would be alarmed at the likely outcomes.

997 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:39:22pm

re: #989 LudwigVanQuixote

I asked a simple question, and you go on for three paragraphs, and at the end I don't know what your answer is... I will ask one more time and I just want a simple yes, or no, without the explanation.

Are there other reputable scientist that don't agree with the AGW model you espouse and have a reasonable (but wrong) opinion on the science?

I think you said no, but, then you went on. I just want a yes or no. Please, for the record.

998 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:39:33pm

re: #987 Walter L. Newton

You don't know him or the blood chilling things he says to his children, so enjoy your fantasy.

999 Joshua Cohen  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:39:34pm

Hundreds? No Thousands greet him warmly! "Despite the warning, at the military airport in Tripoli where Megrahi's plane touched down thousands of youths were on hand to warmly greet him. He left the plane wearing a dark suit and a tie and accompanied by Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi's son, Saif al-Islam Gadhafi. They immediately sped off in a convoy of all-white vehicles." He is a fucking hero for these people. Anyone remember the dancing in the ME streets on 9/11? I would not be to surprised if he recovers magically! Life time is 8 years in England...

1000 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:39:48pm

re: #990 Ben Hur

That is seriously Wee Wee'd up!
Obamics.

Weed. That's the problem. That explains where the ideas have been coming from.

1001 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:40:30pm

re: #995 HoosierHoops

Hon- weather and climate aren't the same thing.

1002 Bagua  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:41:20pm

re: #989 LudwigVanQuixote

In 1990 there was a lot of room left for debate as to weather or not man was the primary driver of the current cycle. There was maybe a 50/50 split in the community. After nearly 20 more years of looking into this, the split is more like 99.9/.1

So you assert over and over again. Is science a popularity poll? Were are these polls published?

The "Trust us we're the experts" line doesn't always bring home the bacon.

1003 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:41:55pm

re: #995 HoosierHoops

I never said scientist didn't study and worry about the environment..Hell dude...I'm sure back in the caveman days they were worried about Weather also...
Maybe the current policy statement of those days was to sacrifice a Virgin or two..
Sometimes it works...Sometimes it doesn't...
/

Aha, but you see the science was a bit better founded than that. Even in 1920, they knew what solar spectra were and that CO2 has certain absorption and emission spectra that would make a high concentration of CO2 problematic.

1004 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:41:57pm

re: #991 Sharmuta

Well- LVQ and I have linked some information where you could start. I myself am learning, but I'm going to learn what the science says, and not the propaganda from folks who mirror the discovery institute.

Sharm, what are you talking about. I don't know anyone, I don't read anyone, I didn't even read the link I posted, I just wanted Ludwigs opinion. What propaganda from DI are you talking about? I have never even read a single article or seen a single video from/about the DI. Evolution is another subject I don't get involved with, I'm an atheist, I don't need an explanation.

All I ask is a simple question, and you go into DI and propaganda and what ever. I never asked nor mentioned any of that stuff.

1005 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:41:58pm

re: #1002 Bagua

So you assert over and over again. Is science a popularity poll? Were are these polls published?

The "Trust us we're the experts" line doesn't always bring home the bacon.

That's what the discovery institute says!

1006 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:42:51pm
1007 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:42:53pm

re: #1004 Walter L. Newton

Since you say don't read anyone, I'm not sure if I should bother responding.

1008 Bagua  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:43:18pm

re: #996 LudwigVanQuixote

Actaully Bagua, that is deeply unfair. I do not mix my politics with my discussions of AGW.

I have always brought the facts and my best understanding of them as a physicist.

If you feel that the facts I have brought are alarmist, you have not been looking at those facts carefully enough. The fact of the matter is that any sane person would be alarmed at the likely outcomes.

From your point of view it is unfair, from my point of view I am fair. I have my own mind and my own opinions. I am giving you honest responses.

1009 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:43:42pm

re: #995 HoosierHoops

I never said scientist didn't study and worry about the environment..Hell dude...I'm sure back in the caveman days they were worried about Weather also...
Maybe the current policy statement of those days was to sacrifice a Virgin or two..
Sometimes it works...Sometimes it doesn't...
/

The problem is finding any ...

/

1010 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:43:45pm

re: #984 Dianna

Robert Conquest wrote something about "the ultimate totalitarian dream of controlling the weather."

Whenever I think of AGW or AGC, or "climate change", or whatever, I think of that.


Now...That is a cool name...

1011 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:44:02pm

re: #995 HoosierHoops

I never said scientist didn't study and worry about the environment..Hell dude...I'm sure back in the caveman days they were worried about Weather also...
Maybe the current policy statement of those days was to sacrifice a Virgin or two..
Sometimes it works...Sometimes it doesn't...
/

Aha, but you see the science was a bit better founded than that. Even in 1920, they knew what solar spectra were and that CO2 has certain absorption and emission spectra that would make a high concentration of CO2 problematic.

1012 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:44:20pm

re: #1007 Sharmuta

Since you say don't read anyone, I'm not sure if I should bother responding.

Promise?

1013 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:44:20pm

re: #998 Sharmuta

You don't know him or the blood chilling things he says to his children, so enjoy your fantasy.

sorry for that...

1014 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:44:53pm

re: #1013 albusteve

Thanks.

1015 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:45:22pm

re: #993 albusteve

the whole subject had been pimped out for money, power, and probably even sex...I don't trust anybody and I'm not alone...scientist and politicians and flim flam men have wrecked all perspective for ordinary people...I just sit back and watch people fight over the scraps of trust

that's poetic

1016 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:46:00pm

re: #1008 Bagua

From your point of view it is unfair, from my point of view I am fair. I have my own mind and my own opinions. I am giving you honest responses.

And you're entitled to your opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts. The evidence dictates in science, not opinion.

1017 Joshua Cohen  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:46:18pm

Charles whats wrong?
I get errors of unresponsible scripts all the time

1018 victoroftheapes  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:46:21pm

re: #1009 OldLineTexan

The problem is finding any ...

/

I know a whole bunch!
Oh wait, did you mean female virgins?
Ohhh...

1019 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:46:34pm

re: #1010 HoosierHoops

Now...That is a cool name...

And a really wonderful man.

1020 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:46:54pm

re: #1014 Sharmuta

Thanks.

Sharm, I didn't know your reference was about an abusive father, you added *rimshot* and I thought you were making a joke. I had the same problem as you and I hold no fantasy with jerks like that.

1021 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:46:58pm

re: #1018 victoroftheapes

I know a whole bunch!
Oh wait, did you mean female virgins?
Ohhh...

Yeah, I can find a Star Wars convention, too.

/

1022 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:47:21pm
1023 victoroftheapes  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:47:57pm

re: #1021 OldLineTexan

Yeah, I can find a Star Wars convention, too.

/

I was thinking board gamers, but actually, I think the Star Wars convention is probably a step up.

1024 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:48:12pm

re: #1020 Walter L. Newton

It was a joke. Now you know why I don't mind according to some.

1025 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:48:43pm

re: #1005 Sharmuta

That's what the discovery institute says!

See: Stopped clocks.

1026 Bagua  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:49:07pm

re: #1005 Sharmuta

That's what the discovery institute says!

Damn, I should sue them for infringement!

For the record, I don't know what this "Discovery Institute" is, and I have never sourced or read them. I gather they are some sort of creationist site?

Here's an example for you. When accidentally clicking on some nutter sites, I've often seen a common argument they make, that one should buy gold.

If I were to suggest that one buy gold on completely different grounds, different research, different point of view, do I then rate a comparison to those sites?

I think there is far too much labeling that goes on, leaving every one "pinned and wiggling on the wall" it is possible to discuss issues without always finding a group to put the respondent in to. Yes, it is fair practice in many cases, but not all and it really brings down the discussion.

1027 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:49:23pm

re: #1023 victoroftheapes

I was thinking board gamers, but actually, I think the Star Wars convention is probably a step up.

Hey, my brother was a D&D head back from the beginning, and he's been married TWICE. To a woman each time, as well.

//

1028 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:49:49pm

re: #1024 Sharmuta

It was a joke. Now you know why I don't mind according to some.

Now I have completely lost you. That's ok, my problem.

1029 Bagua  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:49:51pm

re: #1016 Sharmuta

And you're entitled to your opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts. The evidence dictates in science, not opinion.

Yes Sharmuta, that was my point.

1030 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:50:40pm

re: #1002 Bagua

So you assert over and over again. Is science a popularity poll? Were are these polls published?

The "Trust us we're the experts" line doesn't always bring home the bacon.

You really don't understand how science works. The idea is not popularity. The idea is that the preponderance of evidence causes both the skeptics and the supporters to align their views with the facts as the consensus is reached.

There was a time when people thought that the Earth was flat. The preponderance of the evidence convinced most scientists and then most people that it is indeed round. The existence of a flat Earth Society that claims it has it's own scientists, does not overcome all of the evidence the consensus is bringing.

There is also a matter of what is settled and what is not.

NO one debates - even amongst the legitimate skeptics, men like Dyson, that CO2 is a GHG, or that it has an effect or that the concentrations have risen precipitously in the past century. Dyson argues about the extent of the effect. Pretty much everyone else thinks he is wrong and they come with data and peer reviewed work to make the case.

1031 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:50:41pm

re: #1025 Dianna

See: Stopped clocks.

And the military cuts that success rate in half.

1032 victoroftheapes  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:51:16pm

re: #1027 OldLineTexan

Hey, my brother was a D&D head back from the beginning, and he's been married TWICE. To a woman each time, as well.

//

I'm not sure what the heirarchy is, but I think the D&D guys still outrank the pure board-gamers.

1033 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:51:17pm

re: #1029 Bagua

Yes Sharmuta, that was my point.

So where are your facts to refute Ludwig?

1034 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:51:32pm

re: #1016 Sharmuta

And you're entitled to your opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts. The evidence dictates in science, not opinion.

Yes, but what some of us are talking about is policy, and policy should not be made by the few "experts" for the good of the many. It is something that should be decided upon in a democratic manner. We need constrained policy responses, not unconstrained policy responses.

Anyway, wrt to the facts, there is evidence, and there are computer models. I'll follow the evidence, but I'll keep a very healthy skepticism about the computer models. Those crystal balls are only as good as the assumptions and data put into them.

1035 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:51:51pm

re: #1026 Bagua

Damn, I should sue them for infringement!

For the record, I don't know what this "Discovery Institute" is, and I have never sourced or read them. I gather they are some sort of creationist site?

Here's an example for you. When accidentally clicking on some nutter sites, I've often seen a common argument they make, that one should buy gold.

If I were to suggest that one buy gold on completely different grounds, different research, different point of view, do I then rate a comparison to those sites?

I think there is far too much labeling that goes on, leaving every one "pinned and wiggling on the wall" it is possible to discuss issues without always finding a group to put the respondent in to. Yes, it is fair practice in many cases, but not all and it really brings down the discussion.

They're the latest thing in "creation science." Somehow, when citing a truism, they can always be found having cited same truism.

I'm beginning to say: strawman. Unless it's a very specific claim, made by the Discovery Institute.

1036 shortshrift  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:51:51pm

re: #959 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes I was waiting for Plimer to show up. He is a fraud and a charlatan.

Michael Ashley has a great review of the nonsense that Plimer publishes.

[Link: www.theaustralian.news.com.au...]

And here is a review of Ashley's review:Response...

1037 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:51:51pm

re: #1029 Bagua

Yes Sharmuta, that was my point.

I WAS BLINDED BY SCIENCE!
Always wanted to say that...Now that stupid song is in my head..
/Your head too? Sorry about that

1038 Bagua  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:52:11pm

re: #1030 LudwigVanQuixote

You really don't understand how science works. [...]

You completely miss the point I am trying to make.

1039 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:52:27pm

re: #1030 LudwigVanQuixote

Lud, can I have my simple yes or no to this question?

Are there other reputable scientist that don't agree with the AGW model you espouse and have a reasonable (but wrong) opinion on the science?

Humor me. Yes/no, it would mean a lot to me.

1040 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:52:43pm

re: #1034 Honorary Yooper

Yes, but what some of us are talking about is policy, and policy should not be made by the few "experts" for the good of the many. It is something that should be decided upon in a democratic manner. We need constrained policy responses, not unconstrained policy responses.

Anyway, wrt to the facts, there is evidence, and there are computer models. I'll follow the evidence, but I'll keep a very healthy skepticism about the computer models. Those crystal balls are only as good as the assumptions and data put into them.

But we can't propose constrained trade offs if we're denying the science.

1041 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:52:53pm

re: #1031 OldLineTexan

And the military cuts that success rate in half.

Zulu time? I've never been quite clear on that.

1042 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:53:31pm

re: #993 albusteve

the whole subject had been pimped out for money, power, and probably even sex...I don't trust anybody and I'm not alone...scientist and politicians and flim flam men have wrecked all perspective for ordinary people...I just sit back and watch people fight over the scraps of trust

Science is open to everyone. Rather than take that stance, why not read the actual science from a place like this?

[Link: www.aip.org...]

This is from The American Institute of Physics. I promise it is not bogus. I promise the AIP is not infested with politicians or commies or black helicopters. You will find nothing but clear explanations of hard data from actual scientists with cross links to the journal papers if you wish to dig deeper.

1043 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:54:18pm

re: #1042 LudwigVanQuixote

Science is open to everyone. Rather than take that stance, why not read the actual science from a place like this?

[Link: www.aip.org...]

This is from The American Institute of Physics. I promise it is not bogus. I promise the AIP is not infested with politicians or commies or black helicopters. You will find nothing but clear explanations of hard data from actual scientists with cross links to the journal papers if you wish to dig deeper.

That's the kind of condescending bullshit that will win you scads of converts.

1044 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:54:33pm

re: #946 itellu3times

site unusable on IE6, even on this faster workstation. cpu pegged at 100% on front and thread pages.

since nobody else is complaining ... maybe time for me to try firefox!?!

holey moley, runs a lot better in firefox!

1045 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:54:44pm

re: #1042 LudwigVanQuixote

Science is open to everyone. Rather than take that stance, why not read the actual science from a place like this?

[Link: www.aip.org...]

This is from The American Institute of Physics. I promise it is not bogus. I promise the AIP is not infested with politicians or commies or black helicopters. You will find nothing but clear explanations of hard data from actual scientists with cross links to the journal papers if you wish to dig deeper.

you are over zealous...we've had this discussion

1046 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:55:00pm

re: #1038 Bagua

You completely miss the point I am trying to make.

I think I get it. Calling people deniers because they don't agree with you tends to turn them off and they really aren't interested in anything else you have to say.

1047 Bagua  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:55:05pm

re: #1033 Sharmuta

So where are your facts to refute Ludwig?

Not my point at all Sharmuta, I am not refuting Ludwig, I am discussing the level discourse on the issue as a whole, and commenting on his proposal, and offering my own suggestions so that he meets less adversity.

1048 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:55:17pm

re: #1042 LudwigVanQuixote

Science is open to everyone. Rather than take that stance, why not read the actual science from a place like this?

[Link: www.aip.org...]

This is from The American Institute of Physics. I promise it is not bogus. I promise the AIP is not infested with politicians or commies or black helicopters. You will find nothing but clear explanations of hard data from actual scientists with cross links to the journal papers if you wish to dig deeper.

And where do these scientist get their funding for the different work they do. Universities, private industry, government grants... ?

1049 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:55:40pm

re: #1041 Dianna

Zulu time? I've never been quite clear on that.

No need of am or pm; clear as a bell. And the broken clocks are only right once a day ...

1050 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:56:13pm

re: #1034 Honorary Yooper

Yes, but what some of us are talking about is policy, and policy should not be made by the few "experts" for the good of the many. It is something that should be decided upon in a democratic manner. We need constrained policy responses, not unconstrained policy responses.

Anyway, wrt to the facts, there is evidence, and there are computer models. I'll follow the evidence, but I'll keep a very healthy skepticism about the computer models. Those crystal balls are only as good as the assumptions and data put into them.

And what exactly is your beef with the computer models. Seriously. What is wrong with the computations. They are now good enough to match the actual observed data quite closely. Further, if you do not trust the models, how else are you going to try to look into the future of a complex non-linear system?

For a true stse of the art discussion of the modeling here is this link from Princeton Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Labs.

[Link: www.gfdl.noaa.gov...]

1051 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:56:34pm

re: #1044 itellu3times

holey moley, runs a lot better in firefox!

no shit...Firefox rules, at the moment at least...mine crashes once in a while, but reboots right back to where I was in just a couple of seconds

1052 victoroftheapes  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:56:39pm

re: #1049 OldLineTexan

No need of am or pm; clear as a bell. And the broken clocks are only right once a day ...

Is there a functioning mechanical 24 hour clock? Cause otherwise there just broken.

1053 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:56:52pm

re: #1041 Dianna

Zulu time? I've never been quite clear on that.

24 hour clock, military clock, as used also by many countries.

1054 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:57:16pm

re: #1049 OldLineTexan

No need of am or pm; clear as a bell. And the broken clocks are only right once a day ...

My question was, "Do I have the name right, or am I thinking of something from a science fiction book?" Which isn't what I wrote.

Man, I'm out of it. Sorry.

1055 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:57:40pm

re: #1040 Sharmuta

But we can't propose constrained trade offs if we're denying the science.

Very true. However, there still lies the question of how reliable the models are. What we do need in the policy debate is the facts and the science, and a rough idea of the worst and best that can happen. What we don't need are the doomsayers, the hypocrites, and those who would have us simply go back to being hunter-gatherer cavemen. There are valid and valuable engineering solutions. Some of these are off-the-shelf and ready to go. Some of these are still being tinkered with. What I have a real problem with is those who deny that we can use engineering to do what we need to do to maintain our standard of living while making it cleaner, better, and easier on the environment.

1056 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:57:57pm

re: #1045 albusteve

you are over zealous...we've had this discussion

Really... You don't seem to get the consequences of an eco collapse. That reall is what we are heading for. I think that if you truly grasped the magnitude of the global catastrophe we are facing, you would see that I am more than even handed in my tone.

1057 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:58:52pm

re: #1052 victoroftheapes

Is there a functioning mechanical 24 hour clock? Cause otherwise there just broken.

There's the little non-digital numeric flip-clocks. My Dad had a 24-hour one once. He has a strange sense of humor, and it just tickled him to trot it out on occasion.

1058 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:59:50pm

What am I missing? Was or is there a reason why Obama & Co.(our President, State Dept. & Justice(and lack thereof of all the aforementioned)) didn't/couldn't press the Scott's/UK for extradition of al-Megrahi for trial here in the US?

Hell, we could have tested ObamaCare on the SOB.

1059 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:00:12pm

re: #1056 LudwigVanQuixote

Really... You don't seem to get the consequences of an eco collapse. That reall is what we are heading for. I think that if you truly grasped the magnitude of the global catastrophe we are facing, you would see that I am more than even handed in my tone.

Is there some reason that you don't want to give me a simple yes/no on this question...

Are there other (more than one) reputable scientists that don't agree with the AGW model you espouse and have a reasonable (but wrong) opinion on the science?

1060 victoroftheapes  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:00:36pm

re: #1057 OldLineTexan

There's the little non-digital numeric flip-clocks. My Dad had a 24-hour one once. He has a strange sense of humor, and it just tickled him to trot it out on occasion.

That actually sounds pretty funny. I tend to put my cell phone on 24 hour time and I love it when occasionally I see a look of utter confusion on someone's face when they look at it.

1061 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:01:13pm

Well, I'm out. The commies in black helicopters tell me it's time to go to the youngest girl's junior high open house. Luckily, I didn't wear my tinfoil Nazi hat today, so the brain wave transmissions came in clearly (I have no fillings, you see).

/

1062 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:01:38pm

re: #1056 LudwigVanQuixote

You're an alarmist. Read "Cool It", and calm down. In five years, the miniature nukes roll out, eliminate the need for coal-fired power plants and gas-fueled generators over the next ten years, and maintain our standard of living in a green-friendly way.

We just have to prevent the environmental wackos from derailing the program.

1063 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:01:45pm

re: #1056 LudwigVanQuixote

Really... You don't seem to get the consequences of an eco collapse. That reall is what we are heading for. I think that if you truly grasped the magnitude of the global catastrophe we are facing, you would see that I am more than even handed in my tone.

you don't seem to get the consequences of I don't care...if your 150-200 year time line is correct, altho I don't see how you can know this, then we are all doomed...and I propose to you my carbon footprint is but a fraction of your own...there are no black helocopters, only zealots, on both sides of the issue...there are other things to worry about that preclude alarmism about Miami floating away

1064 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:02:08pm

re: #1055 Honorary Yooper

Very true. However, there still lies the question of how reliable the models are. What we do need in the policy debate is the facts and the science, and a rough idea of the worst and best that can happen. What we don't need are the doomsayers, the hypocrites, and those who would have us simply go back to being hunter-gatherer cavemen. There are valid and valuable engineering solutions. Some of these are off-the-shelf and ready to go. Some of these are still being tinkered with. What I have a real problem with is those who deny that we can use engineering to do what we need to do to maintain our standard of living while making it cleaner, better, and easier on the environment.

What I would like to see is the rational right accept the science and propose constrained trade-offs. Newt Gingrich might be one of the few on the right who gets it. Surely we can swell the ranks on this.

1065 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:02:26pm

re: #1062 quickjustice

You're an alarmist. Read "Cool It", and calm down. In five years, the miniature nukes roll out, eliminate the need for coal-fired power plants and gas-fueled generators over the next ten years, and maintain our standard of living in a green-friendly way.

We just have to prevent the environmental wackos from derailing the program.

They're even derailing wind power, what do you expect them to do for nukes?

1066 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:03:30pm

re: #1065 Kosh's Shadow

Who is derailing wind? That's just not true- more wind farms are coming.

1067 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:03:58pm

re: #1056 LudwigVanQuixote

Really... You don't seem to get the consequences of an eco collapse. That reall is what we are heading for. I think that if you truly grasped the magnitude of the global catastrophe we are facing, you would see that I am more than even handed in my tone.

LVQ, this is exactly the evangelical, over-the-top, doomsaying stuff that really makes me GAZE over anything you have to say. Why is it always a "catastrophe" with you? Maybe it's not a catastrophe. Warming temperatures in Earth's past have not been catastrophic to life living on the planet. Why an "eco collapse"? For the most part in Earth's long history, warmer temperatures have led to blooms of lif, not collaspes. It is usually cooling temperatures (and we're near the bottom right now) that does that.

You show you are a doomsayer on par with the evangelical nut on the street corner holding a sign saying "Repent! for the end is nigh!" with these types of comments. We're not headed for an eco collapse, and we're not going to have a catsatrophe. We will have a change, but it is not the end.

1068 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:04:36pm

re: #1065 Kosh's Shadow

They're even derailing wind power, what do you expect them to do for nukes?

wind power is the most idiotic bust I can think off to go 'green'...until people get serious about nuclear energy there is no hope

1069 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:05:28pm

re: #1067 Honorary Yooper

LVQ, this is exactly the evangelical, over-the-top, doomsaying stuff that really makes me GAZE over anything you have to say. Why is it always a "catastrophe" with you? Maybe it's not a catastrophe. Warming temperatures in Earth's past have not been catastrophic to life living on the planet. Why an "eco collapse"? For the most part in Earth's long history, warmer temperatures have led to blooms of lif, not collaspes. It is usually cooling temperatures (and we're near the bottom right now) that does that.

You show you are a doomsayer on par with the evangelical nut on the street corner holding a sign saying "Repent! for the end is nigh!" with these types of comments. We're not headed for an eco collapse, and we're not going to have a catsatrophe. We will have a change, but it is not the end.

I don't really have anything to add. I just wanted to quote it so people would read it again.

1070 Erik The Red  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:05:38pm

What ever happened to CFC's and the ozone layer? I thought the world was doomed then. Or is that sooo old news?

1071 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:05:41pm

re: #1066 Sharmuta

Who is derailing wind? That's just not true- more wind farms are coming.

Wind turbines taking toll on birds of prey

'Nimbyism' blocking the spread of wind farms

1072 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:06:06pm

re: #968 quickjustice

Read the article. Five years to commercial production of miniature nuclear power plants-- orders being taken now!

Yeah, but read the update. The bureaucrats at the NRC basically say they'll give production approval when Hell freezes over. The company should take their technology and move somewhere that would fasttrack production and installation.

1073 shortshrift  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:06:12pm

re: #1059 Walter L. Newton

Permit me: Nicola Scafetta.
His bio trumps what LVQ has told us of his.

1074 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:06:36pm

re: #1010 HoosierHoops

Now...That is a cool name...

Right up there with Clutch Cargo!

How you doin', HH? I've been AWOL for a while, from LGF, and am trying to gradually reconnect.

1075 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:07:02pm

re: #1070 Erik The Red

What ever happened to CFC's and the ozone layer? I thought the world was doomed then. Or is that sooo old news?

We had the ice age in the 70's and everybody died...
We are now living in the Matrix...

1076 Bagua  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:07:48pm

re: #1050 LudwigVanQuixote

And what exactly is your beef with the computer models. Seriously. What is wrong with the computations. They are now good enough to match the actual observed data quite closely. Further, if you do not trust the models, how else are you going to try to look into the future of a complex non-linear system?

For a true stse of the art discussion of the modeling here is this link from Princeton Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Labs.

[Link: www.gfdl.noaa.gov...]

The model outputs are highly dependent on the inputs, should the modeler make certain assumptions or have certain bias it will be reflected in the results.

The major problem is when you elevate the results of these models as being on par with the raw data, or raw observations which are actually provable.

That is were I believe you often get lost my friend. When you get called out on some worst case disaster scenario based upon a construct/model, you revert to the " Yes, but everyone agree on the GHG properties of CO2"

Apples and Oranges, it is possible to accept the factors that are well known, and have been repeatedly demonstrated under laboratory conditions, but raise questions with some of the more imaginative models which have to date predicted nothing right.

1077 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:08:21pm

re: #1074 ShanghaiEd

Right up there with Clutch Cargo!

How you doin', HH? I've been AWOL for a while, from LGF, and am trying to gradually reconnect.

Hi Ed! Hope today finds you well...

1078 Erik The Red  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:08:27pm

re: #1075 HoosierHoops

Blue or red pill?

1079 DEZes  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:09:39pm

re: #1078 Erik The Red

Blue or red pill?

I took both, what a ride.
///

1080 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:09:39pm

re: #999 Joshua Cohen

Sorry, Josh, but the Arabs were dancing in the streets of Brooklyn on 9/11!

1081 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:10:19pm

re: #1056 LudwigVanQuixote

Really... You don't seem to get the consequences of an eco collapse. That reall is what we are heading for. I think that if you truly grasped the magnitude of the global catastrophe we are facing, you would see that I am more than even handed in my tone.

More alarmism. Just like we had to bailout...everyone. Just like we had to have porkulus. Just like we have to have universal, single-payer, socialist medicine. If all those super-smart, pedigreed policy wonks and politicians managed to put us in a frightful mess, exactly what level of confidence should I have in AGW alarmism?

1082 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:10:29pm

re: #1073 shortshrift

Permit me: Nicola Scafetta.
His bio trumps what LVQ has told us of his.

Thanks. I know NOTHING about the subject, and it seems asking Ludwig will not help me either.

1083 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:10:32pm

re: #1059 Walter L. Newton

Are there other (more than one) reputable scientists that don't agree with the AGW model you espouse and have a reasonable (but wrong) opinion on the science?

You weren't kidding when you said you don't read. I brought up Dyson as the best example of what you are talking about.

re: #1062 quickjustice

You're an alarmist. Read "Cool It", and calm down. In five years, the miniature nukes roll out, eliminate the need for coal-fired power plants and gas-fueled generators over the next ten years, and maintain our standard of living in a green-friendly way.

We just have to prevent the environmental wackos from derailing the program.

I will be one of the first to cheer switching to nuclear. I have only been advocating that for years. However, if you want that to actually happen, you will need to convince the moonbats of the very real fact that AGW is much more threatening than the risks of nuclear power.

The natural people to do this are the folks on the right. However, the folks on the right are full of people like you who say there is nothing to wrry about when they aren't shouting about Al Gore.

You need to see how you are part of the problem and not part of the solution.

1084 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:10:37pm

re: #1066 Sharmuta

Who is derailing wind? That's just not true- more wind farms are coming.

Cape Wind could have been producing energy, but it would ruin Ted Kennedy's view. Or maybe he's afraid he'll run into one of the windmills the next time he drives off a bridge.

There have been fights over other wind farms as well.

1085 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:11:15pm

re: #1078 Erik The Red

Blue or red pill?

I always take both..I always know when I go down the rabbit hole there is a good chance I'll end up home...
Hi Erik!

1086 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:11:17pm

wind turbins are the most unsightly, god awful excuse for generating grid power...heavily subsidized, they make no money...you can pass scores of them across Oklahoma and none of them seem to work except the occaisional slow turn of one or two...there is no back up to store power...people go nuts when they have to listen to the ones that actually work...it's a scam and even Pickens dropped the ball when he found out that Texans are not going to fall for his rip off...jus sayin

1087 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:11:37pm

re: #1072 Son of the Black Dog

Yeah, but read the update. The bureaucrats at the NRC basically say they'll give production approval when Hell freezes over. The company should take their technology and move somewhere that would fasttrack production and installation.

I suggest Israel.

1088 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:11:44pm

re: #1066 Sharmuta

Who is derailing wind? That's just not true- more wind farms are coming.

Ted Kennedy

1089 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:11:54pm

re: #1084 Kosh's Shadow

True, but there are farms coming.

1090 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:13:00pm

re: #1083 LudwigVanQuixote

You weren't kidding when you said you don't read. I brought up Dyson as the best example of what you are talking about.

And evidently you suffer from the same reading disorder that I do since I asked you if there was MORE THAN ONE. You mentioned Dyson and I asked you if there was MORE THAN ONE.

1091 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:13:33pm

re: #1066 Sharmuta

Don't you remember Teddy Kennedy and his buddies killing a wind farm project in the ocean off Martha's Vineyard? "Wind farms for thee, but not for me!"

Hypocrites!

1092 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:13:47pm

we need farms of Hyperions

1093 Bagua  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:13:55pm

re: #1083 LudwigVanQuixote

The natural people to do this are the folks on the right. However, the folks on the right are full of people like you who say there is nothing to wrry about when they aren't shouting about Al Gore.

You need to see how you are part of the problem and not part of the solution.

Again, more rhetoric, Right this, Left that, slogans and beliefs.

Honestly Lud, are you a scientist or a propagandist?

1094 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:14:54pm

re: #1091 quickjustice

And I'm glad because now some folks are going to put farms on their land and laugh all the way to the bank at Teddy.

1095 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:15:03pm

re: #1067 Honorary Yooper

LVQ, this is exactly the evangelical, over-the-top, doomsaying stuff that really makes me GAZE over anything you have to say. Why is it always a "catastrophe" with you? Maybe it's not a catastrophe. Warming temperatures in Earth's past have not been catastrophic to life living on the planet. Why an "eco collapse"? For the most part in Earth's long history, warmer temperatures have led to blooms of lif, not collaspes. It is usually cooling temperatures (and we're near the bottom right now) that does that.

You show you are a doomsayer on par with the evangelical nut on the street corner holding a sign saying "Repent! for the end is nigh!" with these types of comments. We're not headed for an eco collapse, and we're not going to have a catsatrophe. We will have a change, but it is not the end.

Well largely because loosing our coastal cities and not being able to produce enough food for Americans would constitute a catastrophe in most usages of the word. I can not help that you wish to keep your head buried in the sand. I can however hope to get enough people to look at the facts to know that catastrophe is actually even tempered language. The reality of the projections, if we do not change is Boston, NY, Baltimore, Washington, Charleston, GAlveston, New Orelans, Chicago,, SD, MIami, San Fran and others rendered uninhabitable. The reality is not enough food or clean water for our citizens. I am also talking only about America.

So if you wanted more poetic language words like Wrath of G-d come to mind.

NOw how am I so sure about this?

That would have very much to do with all of that peer reviewed science I keep bringing. This is not a joke. This is not a political statement.

1096 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:15:04pm

re: #1093 Bagua

Again, more rhetoric, Right this, Left that, slogans and beliefs.

Honestly Lud, are you a scientist or a propagandist?

I think he's just toying with us. Switching to GAZE.

1097 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:15:16pm

Only Lizards with balls hang out on a thread over a 1000 posts and talk science...Kudo's

1098 J.S.  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:15:29pm

Wow. It's a flying pig moment -- I find I'm in agreement with Jack Cafferty on CNN! (his comments on Lockerbie and Pan Am Flight and the bomber and the "hero's welcome" and "where's the White House on this?" etc., were right on).

1099 Bagua  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:16:06pm

re: #1097 HoosierHoops

Only Lizards with balls hang out on a thread over a 1000 posts and talk science...Kudo's

I thought that made us trolls?

1100 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:16:35pm

re: #1094 Sharmuta

And I'm glad because now some folks are going to put farms on their land and laugh all the way to the bank at Teddy.

on your dime...public tax money to get them up and running and plugged into the grid...you might want to invest in aluminum and copper, maybe you can clean up

1101 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:16:40pm

re: #1086 albusteve

wind turbins are the most unsightly, god awful excuse for generating grid power...heavily subsidized, they make no money...you can pass scores of them across Oklahoma and none of them seem to work except the occaisional slow turn of one or two...there is no back up to store power...people go nuts when they have to listen to the ones that actually work...it's a scam and even Pickens dropped the ball when he found out that Texans are not going to fall for his rip off...jus sayin

As many know, I worked for the National Renewable Energy Lab for 13 years, a DOE lab. The lab was started by Carter over 30 years ago, and they have yet to find a viable and self sustaining renewable source in wind power. And this is the countries premiere research facility for renewable science.

yes, there is good science going on there, but even they are not blind to the problems that exist, and not one scientist in that lab will claim that any answers have been found that will solve our problems.

They are scientist there, not religionist like some scientist.

1102 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:16:45pm

re: #1093 Bagua

Again, more rhetoric, Right this, Left that, slogans and beliefs.

Honestly Lud, are you a scientist or a propagandist?

I was referring specifically to the fellow's policy analysis. Is there a reason you are trying to be so vexing and utterly insulting?

1103 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:17:13pm

re: #1083 LudwigVanQuixote

I'm part of the problem? I suggest you triangulate the issue, rather than shrieking hysterics. How do you triangulate?

If you're speaking to a righty: "We need to move away from dependence on imported oil to reduce Saudi influence in this country."

If you're speaking to a lefty: "The sky is falling! A tidal wave will destroy all our coastal cities if we don't commit mass suicide to limit global warming this instant!"

1104 Bagua  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:17:13pm

re: #1094 Sharmuta

Why does my comment deserve your down ding?

1105 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:17:34pm

Speaking of Teddy (the Swimmer), back when Romney was governor and Kerry was running for president, the Mass legislature changed the law so if a senator needed to be replaced, it would require an election.
Now that Kennedy is nearing the end, he has asked them to change it so the governor can appoint a temporary replacement, because it is just so important that Mass has two Senate votes.
Unexpected consequences bites them in the ass.

I hope Ogonowski runs for Senate.

1106 Syrah  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:18:34pm

re: #1056 LudwigVanQuixote 4.55 billion years of wildly changing climate, from the insufferably hot to the unbearably frigid, with every change in climate a complete and total earth shaking disaster, followed one after another.

1107 J.S.  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:18:34pm

I figure MacAskill is (imo) just another psychopath.

1108 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:18:53pm

re: #1101 Walter L. Newton

As many know, I worked for the National Renewable Energy Lab for 13 years, a DOE lab. The lab was started by Carter over 30 years ago, and they have yet to find a viable and self sustaining renewable source in wind power. And this is the countries premiere research facility for renewable science.

yes, there is good science going on there, but even they are not blind to the problems that exist, and not one scientist in that lab will claim that any answers have been found that will solve our problems.

They are scientist there, not religionist like some scientist.

indeed...a little factoid lost in the shouting...there IS no green revolution as yet no matter how deeply you worship the concept

1109 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:18:58pm

re: #1094 Sharmuta

Wind power isn't economical without huge government subsidies. The people laughing all the way to the bank are laughing at the suckers who pissed away billions in tax dollars on that technology.

1110 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:19:04pm

re: #1090 Walter L. Newton

And evidently you suffer from the same reading disorder that I do since I asked you if there was MORE THAN ONE. You mentioned Dyson and I asked you if there was MORE THAN ONE.

You see this is why I hate posting here. Go be pedantic on someone else's time. I honestly don't know of more than one in the legitimate science world. There may be, but I haven't seen what they have to say in any of the thousands of other journals that say this is real.

1111 J.S.  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:19:47pm

MacAskill is a sick, sick man. What a pathetic piece of s*t...

1112 Bagua  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:20:00pm

re: #1102 LudwigVanQuixote

I was referring specifically to the fellow's policy analysis. Is there a reason you are trying to be so vexing and utterly insulting?

I am not trying to be insulting Lud, I am making an observation based upon reading your comments. It is you that are always getting insulted. You simply do not see how you mix alarmism and political commentary in with science and mix them freely. Anyone who disputes you you call an idiot or denier, then you wonder why I find you judgemental and biased.

1113 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:20:20pm

re: #1104 Bagua

Why does my comment deserve your down ding?

Do you want another one for whining?

1114 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:20:47pm

re: #1099 Bagua

I thought that made us trolls?

Why would you think that?

1115 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:21:24pm

re: #1083 LudwigVanQuixote

I don't think you're interested in dialog at all on this topic. You are convinced you are the smartest person in the room and you know everything there is to know about AGW. Bagua and others have repeatedly pointed out how condescending you sound. Your response usually is something like, "I'm not condescending, you're just too stupid to understand what I'm saying." (I'm paraphrasing, here.)

Frankly, I think you are more interested in being the Official Global Warming Guy of LGF, as evidenced by the way you introduced the topic today: you want to write a "troll hammer" for AGW. Maybe you envision yourself enshrined on the left sidebar next to Nekama and Tilly. I don't know or care who you are. You could be peer reviewed by the Pope for all I care. I just find you very arrogant and condescending on this subject and you will never persuade a person whom you have just insulted.

1116 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:21:42pm

re: #1090 Walter L. Newton

And evidently you suffer from the same reading disorder that I do since I asked you if there was MORE THAN ONE. You mentioned Dyson and I asked you if there was MORE THAN ONE.

You see this is why I hate posting here. Go be pedantic on someone else's time. I honestly don't know of more than one in the legitimate science world. There may be, but I haven't seen them. Not in any of the thousands of other journals that say this is real, and not at any of the colloquia I attend.

1117 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:22:08pm

re: #1106 Syrah

4.55 billion years of wildly changing climate, from the insufferably hot to the unbearably frigid, with every change in climate a complete and total earth shaking disaster, followed one after another.

But this time it's going to affect our species. Hope we're able to adapt.

1118 Bagua  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:22:19pm

re: #1113 Sharmuta

Whatever floats your boat Sharmuta, I asked you a sincere question, it's your choice how to answer.

1119 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:22:49pm

re: #1109 quickjustice

Wind power isn't economical without huge government subsidies. The people laughing all the way to the bank are laughing at the suckers who pissed away billions in tax dollars on that technology.

Take it from someone who worked in for the DOE for 13 years in renewables. You are 100 percent correct.

1120 J.S.  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:23:12pm

Yeah, MacAskill (this slimeball) wants to slant this as an instance of demonstrating his "morality" ! ! -- the "morality" of allowing a mass murder to walk free and be celebrated as a "hero!" Again, just more Euro psychopathy on display.

1121 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:23:26pm

re: #1117 Sharmuta

If the global warming alarmists are correct, we're headed for extinction, and these nothing we can do about it except . . . DRINK!

1122 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:23:51pm

re: #1118 Bagua

You called him a propagandist. He's not.

1123 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:24:56pm

re: #1113 Sharmuta

Do you want another one for whining?

I share Bagua's puzzlement on this one. He was quietly, politely, and in a friendly manner explaining why he was having a problem.

1124 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:25:10pm

re: #1121 quickjustice

If the global warming alarmists are correct, we're headed for extinction, and these nothing we can do about it except . . . DRINK!

pretty much my opinion

1125 Bagua  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:25:25pm

re: #1114 HoosierHoops

Why would you think that?

I get the impression that once there is a new thread, the prior one is considered dead, thus end of discussion. Often it seems only the cranks are left chatting.

1126 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:26:01pm

re: #1110 LudwigVanQuixote

You see this is why I hate posting here. Go be pedantic on someone else's time. I honestly don't know of more than one in the legitimate science world. There may be, but I haven't seen what they have to say in any of the thousands of other journals that say this is real.

You really can't just answer a simple yes or no. Your answer is no. Dyson is the only one you know of. The real answer is Dyson is the only one you will even give a minute of your time to. But Ludwig is not the whole world of climate science. That is evident from the fact that other people on this thread have linked to a few other scientist that are respected, just not respected by you.

You can't answer a simple question, or anyones question here without typing a mini-research paper each time, and you call me pedantic?

Get a clue, Einstein.

1127 Stinky Beaumont  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:26:20pm

Just checking... yes, Internet Explorer is a horrible pig on long threads. Even version 8. Oink.

1128 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:26:36pm

re: #1125 Bagua

I get the impression that once there is a new thread, the prior one is considered dead, thus end of discussion. Often it seems only the cranks are left chatting.

Why would you think that?
/this isn't a crank asking

1129 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:27:23pm

re: #1116 LudwigVanQuixote

He was asking about the name of more than one scientist with whom you do not agree on AGW, but still respect.

One does suspect that there is a problem, and it is not - this time - Walter's.

1130 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:27:26pm

re: #1127 Stinky Beaumont

Just checking... yes, Internet Explorer is a horrible pig on long threads. Even version 8. Oink.

8 is worse than 7...

1131 Bagua  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:27:37pm

re: #1122 Sharmuta

You called him a propagandist. He's not.

Ok, I accept your opinion of my opinion. I just don't like the downdings as they seem punitive rather that advancing a discussion.

1132 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:27:40pm

re: #1116 LudwigVanQuixote

You see this is why I hate posting here. Go be pedantic on someone else's time. I honestly don't know of more than one in the legitimate science world. There may be, but I haven't seen them. Not in any of the thousands of other journals that say this is real, and not at any of the colloquia I attend.

So don't post here if we're not worth your time.

1133 calcajun  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:27:43pm

re: #1116 LudwigVanQuixote

Lud-- remember what Reine and I said yesterday? Just post the links and move on.

Like Jesus said, if they don't accept the message, shake the dust of the town off yer sandals and move on the next one. Don't get yourself worked up--it's not worth it.

1134 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:27:43pm

re: #1126 Walter L. Newton

You really can't just answer a simple yes or no. Your answer is no. Dyson is the only one you know of. The real answer is Dyson is the only one you will even give a minute of your time to. But Ludwig is not the whole world of climate science. That is evident from the fact that other people on this thread have linked to a few other scientist that are respected, just not respected by you.

You can't answer a simple question, or anyones question here without typing a mini-research paper each time,
and you call me pedantic?

Get a clue, Einstein.

windy...I call it windy

1135 Bagua  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:28:41pm

re: #1128 HoosierHoops

Why would you think that?
/this isn't a crank asking

Just it seems to be the case on some of the threads I've been on.

1136 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:28:45pm

re: #1115 doppelganglander

I don't think you're interested in dialog at all on this topic. You are convinced you are the smartest person in the room and you know everything there is to know about AGW. Bagua and others have repeatedly pointed out how condescending you sound. Your response usually is something like, "I'm not condescending, you're just too stupid to understand what I'm saying." (I'm paraphrasing, here.)

Frankly, I think you are more interested in being the Official Global Warming Guy of LGF, as evidenced by the way you introduced the topic today: you want to write a "troll hammer" for AGW. Maybe you envision yourself enshrined on the left sidebar next to Nekama and Tilly. I don't know or care who you are. You could be peer reviewed by the Pope for all I care. I just find you very arrogant and condescending on this subject and you will never persuade a person whom you have just insulted.

No, I am convinced that I am the only one in the room with advanced degrees in physics who actually knows what he is talking about.

There is no dialogue in science. There is no other side. There is no evenhanded. You either look at the facts and analyse them or you are talking crap.

What offends me is the notion that the crap and opinions of others is somehow the equal of hard data and years of actually learning and doing science.

I spent years working on learning and doing science. That means when I bring you hard data and I tell you what the science world is saying, you don't get to presume to tell me what is what. I tell you.

If you find flaws in my science, then you need to bring your own hard data to dispute me.

I am sorry that you find the idea that a Phd in physics might actually know more than you about issues of science than others who do not have science degrees, but that is the reality of it. I can't help your arrogance. Cry me a river.

1137 kcladderman  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:29:01pm

re: #1064 Sharmuta

What I would like to see is the rational right accept the science and propose constrained trade-offs. Newt Gingrich might be one of the few on the right who gets it. Surely we can swell the ranks on this.

How sweet would it be to have Newts Congress back?

1138 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:29:08pm

re: #1127 Stinky Beaumont

Just checking... yes, Internet Explorer is a horrible pig on long threads. Even version 8. Oink.

STINKY!...was up?...fix my machine!

1139 calcajun  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:29:31pm

re: #1097 HoosierHoops

Only Lizards with balls and no jobs or more important things to do hang out on a thread over a 1000 posts and talk science...Kudo's

Needed some clarification.

1140 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:29:36pm

re: #1122 Sharmuta

You called him a propagandist. He's not.

How do we know that?

He's supplied some good links. But...I'm not a climatologist, but I do know statistics, and the NOAA site has some issues on the statistical front. Modeling isn't all that advanced, and we all know it. And he's using the term "ecocollapse", which is, frankly, a propagandist's term.

Evidence of his being/not being a propagandist is mixed.

1141 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:29:36pm

re: #1127 Stinky Beaumont

Just checking... yes, Internet Explorer is a horrible pig on long threads. Even version 8. Oink.

I think I have mentioned this to you a number of times, but yes, even 8 stinks. I am on Safari for 6 months now, and now on DSL in the mountains, and was on the highest speed broadband that Comcast offered, and Safari still rules, and did before.

IE would never, at any speed, in any configuration, work well past about 700 comments.

1142 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:29:41pm

re: #1136 LudwigVanQuixote

No, I am convinced that I am the only one in the room with advanced degrees in physics who actually knows what he is talking about.

There is no dialogue in science. There is no other side. There is no evenhanded. You either look at the facts and analyse them or you are talking crap.

What offends me is the notion that the crap and opinions of others is somehow the equal of hard data and years of actually learning and doing science.

I spent years working on learning and doing science. That means when I bring you hard data and I tell you what the science world is saying, you don't get to presume to tell me what is what. I tell you.

If you find flaws in my science, then you need to bring your own hard data to dispute me.

I am sorry that you find the idea that a Phd in physics might actually know more than you about issues of science than others who do not have science degrees, but that is the reality of it. I can't help your arrogance. Cry me a river.

Thanks for proving my point. I'm done here.

1143 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:29:42pm

re: #1129 Dianna

He was asking about the name of more than one scientist with whom you do not agree on AGW, but still respect.

One does suspect that there is a problem, and it is not - this time - Walter's.

And I said I only know of Dyson. I said that really clearly.

1144 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:29:46pm

re: #1131 Bagua

Ok, I accept your opinion of my opinion. I just don't like the downdings as they seem punitive rather that advancing a discussion.

Dude I got downdinged for telling a grateful dead joke once...Stand up and I'll dust the dirt from your butt and carry on lizard...Doesn't mean we don't like you ...K?

1145 shortshrift  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:29:52pm

re: #1082 Walter L. Newton

As I have said before - directly to LVQ - it is not legitimate to insist that there is no debate by illegitimising the opposition. Obviously, this is not the forum for scientific - mathematical - arguments. Cannot even input the data. LVQ insists that reallio trulio science is settled and then blasts us skeptics for referring to articles which refer to counter (reallio, trulio) science, which are taken care of by ad hominem dismissal - ( they are frauds, not qualified, from lowly institutions, not physicists, not peer-reviewed in acceptable (pro-warming) journals, funded by tobacco...)
And he invariably falls back on being "overwhelmed" by melting caps, gigatons of CO2, certain eco-catastrophe. He does not sound like a scientist as much as a gnostic. He knows that AGW is a fact.

1146 Stinky Beaumont  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:30:10pm

If you're experiencing extreme piggishness on long threads with Internet Explorer, it's because you should be using Firefox or Safari instead.

No problem with the Vista version of Firefox.

1147 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:31:03pm

re: #1125 Bagua

I get the impression that once there is a new thread, the prior one is considered dead, thus end of discussion. Often it seems only the cranks are left chatting.

Ha! True enough.

Well, there's a train with my name on it (figuratively!) which will not wait.

Good night!

1148 Syrah  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:32:10pm

re: #1117 Sharmuta

But this time it's going to affect our species. Hope we're able to adapt.

I have no worries about that. We will adapt. That is, unless we manage to snuff ourselves in some war.

1149 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:32:40pm

re: #1056 LudwigVanQuixote

Really... You don't seem to get the consequences of an eco collapse. That reall is what we are heading for. I think that if you truly grasped the magnitude of the global catastrophe we are facing, you would see that I am more than even handed in my tone.

I was reading carefully what you have to say, but you just jumped the shark.

1150 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:32:41pm

re: #1136 LudwigVanQuixote

You need to get a degree in some social skills. Stop dumping on people here just because you are so much smarter. Even when you have been given the opportunity to educate us, you just come back with verbose, windy (for Steve) diatribes and attempt to talk down to us.

For me, that makes anything you say, any informative information you have to pass on WORTHLESS.

IMHO.

1151 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:33:01pm

re: #1136 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah, and on line, I'm the Queen of Numenor.

I don't know your qualifications from a reflection in a pond on a still night.

1152 Stinky Beaumont  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:33:17pm

If you're on a PC, Safari is by far the fastest browser to use for long threads at LGF.

It leaves both Firefox and IE in the dust.

1153 Stinky Beaumont  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:34:33pm

Yep.

1154 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:34:44pm

re: #1146 Stinky Beaumont

If you're experiencing extreme piggishness on long threads with Internet Explorer, it's because you should be using Firefox or Safari instead.

No problem with the Vista version of Firefox.

I'm thinking of doing the upgrade to ff3.5 tonight...I just love Firefox at home..It is the best...But at work we run Oracle and we are only allowed to run IE6...I got 4 20" monitors at work to monitor the GWAN...It is the 4th gate of Hell...Someday...Oracle...I'm looking at you..Someday maybe we could aaa drive into 2009 please?

1155 J.S.  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:35:19pm

Fabulous interview on CNN with the two of the victims -- asking some questions here -- and that creep MacAskill (that f*g bastard, lowlife scum bag and that slime of moral superiority -- this psycopath wouldn't know what "morality" means if it bit in the ass) Some questions the slime should try thinking about -- like the little child who got burned up in aviation fuel on the ground as he was fleeing from the wreckage. (I have to take a break now...)

1156 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:35:30pm

re: #1140 Dianna

How do we know that?

He's supplied some good links. But...I'm not a climatologist, but I do know statistics, and the NOAA site has some issues on the statistical front. Modeling isn't all that advanced, and we all know it. And he's using the term "ecocollapse", which is, frankly, a propagandist's term.

Evidence of his being/not being a propagandist is mixed.

I have shown you links to the pages of the groups that actually run the models and explain their operation. This is complete with the outputs that match observed data.

What, we all know issues with the models? And what issues are those...

As to eco collapse, what do you call a situation where there are mass extinctions and not enough food or clean water. That really is what is coming. Shall I call it something else?

Ok the situation is very dire.

It is wrath of G-d bad.

it is not propaganda to point out that a gun pointed at your head is a very bad thing. You have been given more than sufficient evidence to look at. LOOK AT IT.

1157 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:36:32pm

re: #1140 Dianna

How do we know that?

He's supplied some good links. But...I'm not a climatologist, but I do know statistics, and the NOAA site has some issues on the statistical front. Modeling isn't all that advanced, and we all know it. And he's using the term "ecocollapse", which is, frankly, a propagandist's term.

Evidence of his being/not being a propagandist is mixed.

I have shown you links to the pages of the groups that actually run the models and explain their operation. This is complete with the outputs that match observed data.

What, we all know issues with the models? And what issues are those...

As to eco collapse, what do you call a situation where there are mass extinctions and not enough food or clean water. That really is what is coming. Shall I call it something else?

Ok the situation is very dire.

It is wrath of G-d bad.

it is not propaganda to point out that a gun pointed at your head is a very bad thing. You have been given more than sufficient evidence to look at. LOOK AT IT.

1158 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:37:07pm

re: #1152 Stinky Beaumont

If you're on a PC, Safari is by far the fastest browser to use for long threads at LGF.

It leaves both Firefox and IE in the dust.

Agreed. And I am on a 6 year old fully loaded (for the year 2003) HP.

1159 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:37:34pm

re: #1152 Stinky Beaumont

If you're on a PC, Safari is by far the fastest browser to use for long threads at LGF.

It leaves both Firefox and IE in the dust.

agreed...Safari is even faster than Firefox which is more than adequate but kept crashing on me...Kaspersky and Safari don't like each other, but Safari flies

1160 beens21  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:37:41pm

[Link: dc.indymedia.org...] I wonder if LVQ agrees with this Barrett guy.

1161 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:38:23pm

re: #1149 Son of the Black Dog

I was reading carefully what you have to say, but you just jumped the shark.

You downding almost every thing I have ever said. I am not at all worried about whether you think I have jumped any shark. Tell you what. Prove me wrong.

Bring real evidence and data to make a happier projection.

Prove me wrong.

If you are so certain of yourself, find peer-reviewd literature to do it.

Otherwise just cut the grandstanding.

1162 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:38:45pm

re: #1157 LudwigVanQuixote

It is wrath of G-d bad.

You believe in god?

1163 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:39:10pm

I'm Here! I'm Here! (flies in the door, hair a bit askew). What'd I miss? Cute hatchlings? Cool ones? Annoying ones yet?

1164 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:39:11pm

re: #1158 Walter L. Newton

Agreed. And I am on a 6 year old fully loaded (for the year 2003) HP.

I have an XP Laptop at home...Is Safari good on that platform...I have never even seen Safari...I thought it was Mac...

1165 Syrah  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:39:21pm

Surf-in Safari

1166 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:39:52pm

I love Safari and hate it when I'm on other computers that lack it.

1167 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:40:39pm

re: #1163 ArmyWife

I'm Here! I'm Here! (flies in the door, hair a bit askew). What'd I miss? Cute hatchlings? Cool ones? Annoying ones yet?

Well once Cato the Elder registered a Sockpuppet of I_Love_Sarah_Palin That it was going to be a wild ride...
*wink*

1168 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:40:40pm

re: #1145 shortshrift

As I have said before - directly to LVQ - it is not legitimate to insist that there is no debate by illegitimising the opposition. Obviously, this is not the forum for scientific - mathematical - arguments. Cannot even input the data. LVQ insists that reallio trulio science is settled and then blasts us skeptics for referring to articles which refer to counter (reallio, trulio) science, which are taken care of by ad hominem dismissal - ( they are frauds, not qualified, from lowly institutions, not physicists, not peer-reviewed in acceptable (pro-warming) journals, funded by tobacco...)
And he invariably falls back on being "overwhelmed" by melting caps, gigatons of CO2, certain eco-catastrophe. He does not sound like a scientist as much as a gnostic. He knows that AGW is a fact.

So then prove me wrong. Get the peer reviewed journal entries and hard data that shows I'm wrong.

Do it.

If you are so certain, that should be easy.

You are not a legitimate skeptic. You are some guy typing on a blog with no specific knowledge of the subject.

If you can honestly say that I am overly alarmist, then prove it with science. I dare you.

1169 Syrah  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:40:57pm

re: #1164 HoosierHoops

I have an XP Laptop at home...Is Safari good on that platform...I have never even seen Safari...I thought it was Mac...

It works in XP.

You can download it from Apple.

1170 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:41:25pm

re: #1167 HoosierHoops

OH that jokster! Always in for a laugh that one!

Hiya HH. Good to see you!

1171 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:41:40pm

re: #1164 HoosierHoops

I have an XP Laptop at home...Is Safari good on that platform...I have never even seen Safari...I thought it was Mac...

They have a PC. I am running a 2003 HP, processor speed is 3g, 1 gig ram, P4 hyper-thread. XP Pro. SP2 (SP# doesn't want to install, it bombs).

And I went from Comcast highest speed cable to 1.5mg Qwest DSL here in the mountains.

Runs fine.

1172 Bagua  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:42:17pm

re: #1162 Walter L. Newton

You believe in god?

Ok, the debates turned religious, once again... ;-)

I'm off to an appointment, thank you all for the chat, Ludwig, I look forward to the next round, perhaps we will arrive at some understanding. I'll log on later to reply further.

1173 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:42:23pm

re: #1162 Walter L. Newton

You believe in god?

Wow, you really never have read anything I ever wrote. Just out of curiosity. If I did or not, how would that effect the discussion?

But quick hint... how do I tend to write the word G-d?

1174 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:43:30pm

Mr. Armywife just took the steaks off the grill. I'll try to be back later!

1175 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:43:51pm

re: #1146 Stinky Beaumont

If you're experiencing extreme piggishness on long threads with Internet Explorer, it's because you should be using Firefox or Safari instead.

No problem with the Vista version of Firefox.

XP Firefox is not working so well. I keep getting the 'script running slowly, etc' message. v3.0.13

1176 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:45:59pm

re: #1148 Syrah

I have no worries about that. We will adapt. That is, unless we manage to snuff ourselves in some war.

I don't think we should assume we'll be able to handle the worst. Thanos has made some great points about how this will affect our water and food supply. I don't want to seem like a "alarmist", but it's frightening to think what our great-great-grandchildren will be looking at if we don't start looking seriously at this issue.

1177 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:46:23pm

re: #1127 Stinky Beaumont

Just checking... yes, Internet Explorer is a horrible pig on long threads. Even version 8. Oink.

Once it stopped running a rogue script, it works fine.

1178 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:46:50pm

re: #1168 LudwigVanQuixote

So then prove me wrong. Get the peer reviewed journal entries and hard data that shows I'm wrong.

Do it.

If you are so certain, that should be easy.

You are not a legitimate skeptic. You are some guy typing on a blog with no specific knowledge of the subject.

If you can honestly say that I am overly alarmist, then prove it with science. I dare you.

One doesn't need science to prove you are overly alarmist, your hyperbole, ad hominem attacks, waffling on answering certain questions or certain parts of a question, never actually discussing facts and figures (simply linking to others research) and your whole dismissal of the entire body of scientist who don't agree with you and your fellow believers, that all speaks of a overly alarmist gnostic.

Alarmist is a state of mind, not a scientific state.

1179 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:46:58pm

BBL...Winston and I are going to take a dip and I'll be swimming some laps..
I love you guys!

1180 Syrah  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:47:08pm

There is a real threat to all life on this planet and to any other planet in the universe.

1181 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:47:50pm

re: #1176 Sharmuta

I don't think we should assume we'll be able to handle the worst. Thanos has made some great points about how this will affect our water and food supply. I don't want to seem like a "alarmist", but it's frightening to think what our great-great-grandchildren will be looking at if we don't start looking seriously at this issue.

Thank you. You are so much better at not loosing it than me.

I should probably quit for a while. It is my hope that reasonable folks get real about this and demand better policy than cap and trade, but I am honestly at the point where I can't take these idiots anymore.

1182 kcladderman  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:48:51pm

re: #1142 doppelganglander

Thanks for proving my point. I'm done here.

yea he doesn't think he is the smartest person in the room . He KNOWSit.

1183 horse  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:51:37pm

re: #1180 Syrah

There is a real threat to all life on this planet and to any other planet in the universe.

Yes, but by then we will have hopefully figured out how to cross the membranes into other parallel universes. What fun.

1184 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:52:32pm

re: #1178 Walter L. Newton

One doesn't need science to prove you are overly alarmist, your hyperbole, ad hominem attacks, waffling on answering certain questions or certain parts of a question, never actually discussing facts and figures (simply linking to others research) and your whole dismissal of the entire body of scientist who don't agree with you and your fellow believers, that all speaks of a overly alarmist gnostic.

Alarmist is a state of mind, not a scientific state.

I have answered you multiply. You yourself point out that you do not read.

And would a reasonable person be alarmed if a gun were pointed at them?

Having a gun pointed at you is either a real thing or not. It is demonstrable.

My claim is that the global trends are heading towards a catastrophe. This is a scientific statement in that it is demonstrable and that most people would consider flooded coastlines, loss of trillions in property, lack of food and clean water and the economic collapse that comes with that to be a catastrophe.

So. Either, prove that this is not coming - against the hard data and analysis of the world wide scientific community or stop playing juvenile word games.

Try it.

1185 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:56:01pm

re: #1151 Dianna

Yeah, and on line, I'm the Queen of Numenor.

I don't know your qualifications from a reflection in a pond on a still night.

Then read the journal papers and scientific links you have been given again and again. Do you think MIT or Princeton are suspect?

You seem to believe that there is something wrong with NOOA, and what is that?

The problem with your side is how unbearably full of shit it is.

1186 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:56:11pm

re: #1181 LudwigVanQuixote

It's like Freetoken has said- it's a complex science and not easy to explain or correct where folks are wrong. And just from my toe dipping into the links the two of you have provided has shown me that's true. This is quite complex, and will take some time to study. But you are not alone. Others here take the issue seriously, and others here are learning (like me!). I have a feeling that this issue isn't going to go away at LGF, so you will likely have more time to show the science is sound.

1187 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:57:03pm

re: #1186 Sharmuta

It's like Freetoken has said- it's a complex science and not easy to explain or correct where folks are wrong. And just from my toe dipping into the links the two of you have provided has shown me that's true. This is quite complex, and will take some time to study. But you are not alone. Others here take the issue seriously, and others here are learning (like me!). I have a feeling that this issue isn't going to go away at LGF, so you will likely have more time to show the science is sound.

Did I mention that I do love you really. Honestly.

1188 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:57:21pm

re: #1184 LudwigVanQuixote

I have answered you multiply. You yourself point out that you do not read.

And would a reasonable person be alarmed if a gun were pointed at them?

Having a gun pointed at you is either a real thing or not. It is demonstrable.

My claim is that the global trends are heading towards a catastrophe. This is a scientific statement in that it is demonstrable and that most people would consider flooded coastlines, loss of trillions in property, lack of food and clean water and the economic collapse that comes with that to be a catastrophe.

So. Either, prove that this is not coming - against the hard data and analysis of the world wide scientific community or stop playing juvenile word games.

Try it.

And you don't listen either.

1189 shortshrift  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:57:46pm

re: #1168 LudwigVanQuixote

So then prove me wrong. Get the peer reviewed journal entries and hard data that shows I'm wrong.

Do it.

If you are so certain, that should be easy.

You are not a legitimate skeptic. You are some guy typing on a blog with no specific knowledge of the subject.

If you can honestly say that I am overly alarmist, then prove it with science. I dare you.

Just listen to yourself. "Dare" me, do you? When it has been established time and time again that you will only accept as science the science that you agree with. No data can be sufficiently "hard", no journal sufficiently respected, no peer peery enough to be admissable to you. But your scorn does not wipe out skeptic science. If I present an argument you will dance in glee at my ignorance and send me to read your approved sites , presumptiously taking for granted that I could not have read them, or I would now be a convert.
This is not the forum for scientific analysis.
I find Nicola Scafetta's work supplies some cogent explanation of some of the recent warming. Others - Svensmark - too. With respect to the latter, you have already dismissed it as BS. As I say, you are a gnostic on this issue.

1190 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:58:48pm

re: #1184 LudwigVanQuixote

So. Either, prove that there is a g-d - against the hard data and analysis of the world wide scientific community or stop playing juvenile word games.

1191 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:00:21pm

Recently, Charles has show the deceptive nature of the AGW denialist crowd, and they strike me as no different than the creationists. I decided to quite turning to politicized sites for information, and I'm going to look at peer-reviewed science. This is what Ludwig, Freetoken, Thanos and Charles have been providing for me and all of you as well. I'm sick of being lied to by charlatans, and I'm not interested in the solutions of the left. So I'm going to study the science and think of ways we can be green capitalists.

1192 Syrah  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:01:54pm

re: #1176 Sharmuta

I don't think we should assume we'll be able to handle the worst. Thanos has made some great points about how this will affect our water and food supply. I don't want to seem like a "alarmist", but it's frightening to think what our great-great-grandchildren will be looking at if we don't start looking seriously at this issue.

Does it justify a panic?

1193 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:03:03pm

re: #1095 LudwigVanQuixote

Well largely because loosing our coastal cities and not being able to produce enough food for Americans would constitute a catastrophe in most usages of the word. I can not help that you wish to keep your head buried in the sand. I can however hope to get enough people to look at the facts to know that catastrophe is actually even tempered language. The reality of the projections, if we do not change is Boston, NY, Baltimore, Washington, Charleston, GAlveston, New Orelans, Chicago,, SD, MIami, San Fran and others rendered uninhabitable. The reality is not enough food or clean water for our citizens. I am also talking only about America.

So if you wanted more poetic language words like Wrath of G-d come to mind.

NOw how am I so sure about this?

That would have very much to do with all of that peer reviewed science I keep bringing. This is not a joke. This is not a political statement.

I don't know what there is beyond "jump the shark", but you've reached it. Flooding such as you describe would only occur with the melting of the Greenland and Antarctic ice caps, and no reasonable scenario I've read envisions that. That is Al Gore propaganda.

1194 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:03:12pm

re: #1191 Sharmuta

Recently, Charles has show the deceptive nature of the AGW denialist crowd, and they strike me as no different than the creationists. I decided to quite turning to politicized sites for information, and I'm going to look at peer-reviewed science. This is what Ludwig, Freetoken, Thanos and Charles have been providing for me and all of you as well. I'm sick of being lied to by charlatans, and I'm not interested in the solutions of the left. So I'm going to study the science and think of ways we can be green capitalists.

Good post. Then if you want hard scientist, try...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

1195 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:03:14pm

re: #1189 shortshrift

Just listen to yourself. "Dare" me, do you? When it has been established time and time again that you will only accept as science the science that you agree with. No data can be sufficiently "hard", no journal sufficiently respected, no peer peery enough to be admissable to you. But your scorn does not wipe out skeptic science. If I present an argument you will dance in glee at my ignorance and send me to read your approved sites , presumptiously taking for granted that I could not have read them, or I would now be a convert.
This is not the forum for scientific analysis.
I find Nicola Scafetta's work supplies some cogent explanation of some of the recent warming. Others - Svensmark - too. With respect to the latter, you have already dismissed it as BS. As I say, you are a gnostic on this issue.

No it's really simple. Get peer reviewed literature that proves that the community is wrong and it will be accepted. What is not accepted is half-formed crazy talk from blogs and pompous grandstanders who think that their degree in what ever qualifies them to enter a "debate" about science.

OK. This is how actual science gets done. YOu are making the extraordinary claim that there is nothing to worry about. Prove it with hard data and strong analysis. If you can not. You have nothing.

1196 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:04:10pm

re: #1193 Son of the Black Dog

I don't know what there is beyond "jump the shark", but you've reached it. Flooding such as you describe would only occur with the melting of the Greenland and Antarctic ice caps, and no reasonable scenario I've read envisions that. That is Al Gore propaganda.

Oh really... Then you seem to not be looking at any of the links that have been provided. Greenland is melting as we speak at very alarming rates that are increasing.

1197 horse  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:04:56pm

It looks like the "gun" pointed at us is not quite as big as previously thought. Evidence that global temperature trends are overstated.

And it looks like the CRU has "lost" the original unmodified raw climate temperature data.CRU admition they lost the raw data. How convenient that we now can not go back and and look at the raw data before it was increased via homogenization and other manipulations.

The data says things have been hyped a bit.

1198 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:07:06pm

re: #1194 Walter L. Newton

NO walter, if you want hard science you don't go to wiki. That is only a starting point. If you want hard science you go to Phys Rev Letters, Phys Rev, Science, Nature and others like that. You then also go to places like

[Link: www.gfdl.noaa.gov...]

or

[Link: climate.lanl.gov...]

1199 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:07:17pm

re: #1195 LudwigVanQuixote


pompous grandstanders who think that their degree in what ever qualifies them to enter a "debate" about science.

Wow. Talk about the bunsen burner calling the candle snuffed! LOL

1200 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:08:04pm

re: #1190 Walter L. Newton

So. Either, prove that there is a g-d - against the hard data and analysis of the world wide scientific community or stop playing juvenile word games.

And one other note. Capitalize G-d.

1201 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:09:05pm

re: #1199 Walter L. Newton

Wow. Talk about the bunsen burner calling the candle snuffed! LOL

Yes, Doctorates in things like Physics confer some expertise Walter. What is yours in?

1202 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:09:32pm

re: #1200 LudwigVanQuixote

And one other note. Capitalize G-d.

Answer my question.

1203 horse  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:09:50pm

re: #1201 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes, Doctorates in things like Physics confer some expertise Walter. What is yours in?

Where did you get your physics doctorate?

1204 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:11:36pm

re: #1192 Syrah

Does it justify a panic?

I think it time the constrained stepped up and instead of panic offered reasonable trade-offs. I truly believe capitalism can deal with this issue.

1205 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:12:31pm

re: #1201 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes, Doctorates in things like Physics confer some expertise Walter. What is yours in?

No degree. Worked as a programmer and analyst for over 30 years, my last 13 years was spent working with scientist at the DOE National Renewable Energy Lab in Golden Colorado.

1206 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:12:50pm

re: #1202 Walter L. Newton

Answer my question.

Yes of course I do.

Now, what difference does that make? And further you really are ignorant if you didn't get the spelling.

1207 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:13:49pm

re: #1198 LudwigVanQuixote

NO walter, if you want hard science you don't go to wiki. That is only a starting point. If you want hard science you go to Phys Rev Letters, Phys Rev, Science, Nature and others like that. You then also go to places like

[Link: www.gfdl.noaa.gov...]

or

[Link: climate.lanl.gov...]

I was going to tell Walter about the same thing as this. You and others have provided me links to peer-reviewed science sites, and that's all I'm interested in reading.

1208 horse  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:14:55pm

re: #1204 Sharmuta

I think it time the constrained stepped up and instead of panic offered reasonable trade-offs. I truly believe capitalism can deal with this issue.

Exactly, something like requiring the energy companies to have large carbon sinks that take the same amount of carbon from the atmosphere that their products put in it. Gives them some long-term incentive to have non-carbon emitting energy solutions.

1209 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:15:25pm

re: #1205 Walter L. Newton

No degree. Worked as a programmer and analyst for over 30 years, my last 13 years was spent working with scientist at the DOE National Renewable Energy Lab in Golden Colorado.

OK, then if you have learned enough by osmosis about the actual physics, then looking at the sceince links you have been provided with should be no problem.

Further, if you are in a professional scientific environment, then you should be able to figure out what a real reference is.

1210 shortshrift  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:17:55pm

re: #1195 LudwigVanQuixote

No it's really simple. Get peer reviewed literature that proves that the community is wrong and it will be accepted. What is not accepted is half-formed crazy talk from blogs and pompous grandstanders who think that their degree in what ever qualifies them to enter a "debate" about science.

OK. This is how actual science gets done. YOu are making the extraordinary claim that there is nothing to worry about. Prove it with hard data and strong analysis. If you can not. You have nothing.

No. I have long ago learned that fear is irrational, that people will base their emotions on the slenderest of reeds, that those who are psychologically susceptible to cataclysmic anxiety will always find something to worry about.
I am amused that you should up the ante of catastrophe in order to make people come to their senses. If a poster came on now who said catastrophe was coming next Sunday and the entire continent submerged, would that convert me more persuasively?
If a store said "ten days to Christmas" and another one "two days to Christmas", would I shop in the latter?

1211 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:18:05pm

ok I gotta go. Take care all. I need dinner and I need to take care of the dogs.

1212 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:18:59pm

re: #1197 horse

That report is very fresh and will need peer-review. No offense to the young man or you, but I'm looking for data that's been peer-reviewed so I can trust it's accurate. A lot of denialists come out with reports and after a few months are discredited, but not until it's been spread all over the internet and people believe it to be true.

1213 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:19:09pm

re: #1210 shortshrift

No. I have long ago learned that fear is irrational, that people will base their emotions on the slenderest of reeds, that those who are psychologically susceptible to cataclysmic anxiety will always find something to worry about.
I am amused that you should up the ante of catastrophe in order to make people come to their senses. If a poster came on now who said catastrophe was coming next Sunday and the entire continent submerged, would that convert me more persuasively?
If a store said "ten days to Christmas" and another one "two days to Christmas", would I shop in the latter?

Just look at the actual science then and decide for yourself if the projections constitute a catastrophe.

How about you do that?

1214 dogg  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:20:07pm

Whats up with the Dems in Massachusetts.
Are they actually going to reverse the law they put in to prevent a Governor from naming a senator?

1215 shortshrift  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:23:58pm

re: #1213 LudwigVanQuixote

Just look at the actual science then and decide for yourself if the projections constitute a catastrophe.

How about you do that?

Done. Projections do not constitute a catastrophe. Enjoy your dinner. We can take this up later.

1216 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:24:22pm

re: #1210 shortshrift

If a store said "ten days to Christmas" and another one "two days to Christmas", would I shop in the latter?

That would depend now, wouldn't it? You could peer-review those stores by checking a calendar and then follow the evidence. You know- kind of like a scientist would.

1217 shortshrift  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:28:07pm

re: #1216 Sharmuta

Funny. But I was talking about persuasiveness of urgency, not the truth of when Christmas comes. Analogies - tricky.

1218 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:34:20pm

re: #1217 shortshrift

They're the weakest form of argument.

1219 horse  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:36:51pm

re: #1212 Sharmuta

I understand, but please realize this guy is pretty relevant to the discussion. I consider him a fair broker in the AGW debate. He is an AGW supporter, but focuses on the data and proper analysis. He doesn't appeal to authority or consensus. In other words, a real scientist in the field. His paper is published and will be reviewed and then we can see if his analysis and conclusions stand.

Roger Pielke, Jr.
I am a professor of environmental studies at the Center for Science and Technology Policy Research at the University of Colorado at Boulder. I also have appointments as an Associate Fellow at the Institute for Science, Innovation and Society at Oxford University's Said Business School and as a Senior Visiting Fellow at the Consortium for Science, Policy and Outcomes at Arizona State University. Since 2008 I have also been a Senior Fellow of The Breakthrough Institute, a progressive think tank.

1220 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:39:47pm

re: #1219 horse

I did read his blog post, and he seems legitimate. I would just like to see the work after peer-review is all.

1221 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:43:42pm

re: #1215 shortshrift

Done. Projections do not constitute a catastrophe. Enjoy your dinner. We can take this up later.

Do you really honestly thing that such pedantic word games are even remotely clever?

Ok you are right. If some terrorist group captures you and says they will cut of your head, the projection that it is likely that your empty head actually does get cut off is not itself the same as the act.

However, most would view decapitation as a catastrophic event.

The likelihoods of the current trends are all catastrophic. Look at the actual science and evidence behind it and stop playing insipid word games.

And yes, the big bad physicist who thinks he is smarter than you just called your argument insipid and implied that your head is empty.

Get used to it.

1222 Syrah  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:45:28pm

re: #1204 Sharmuta

I think it time the constrained stepped up and instead of panic offered reasonable trade-offs.

In the context that you have used it here, what do you mean by "trade-offs."

1223 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:48:30pm

re: #1222 Syrah

In the context that you have used it here, what do you mean by "trade-offs."

Just trying to be consistent in terminology. I wouldn't offer a "solution"- that's not a part of my vision. What any trade-offs should be, I can't say at this point.

1224 horse  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:50:06pm

re: #1221 ludwigvanquixote

Again, where did you get your physics doctorate? I ask because most of your arguments are an appeal to authority based on you having a physics phd. Thanks.

1225 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 5:09:38pm

re: #1224 horse

Again, where did you get your physics doctorate? I ask because most of your arguments are an appeal to authority based on you having a physics phd. Thanks.

NO, most of my arguments, are analysis and links to science sites.
Further I keep seeming to be pleading with people to look at the actual data from peer-reviewed sources. Does that really sound like an appeal to my authority?

If you take a mere few minutes to look into my posts you will see that is the case.

As to where I got my credentials, I would rather not post on this board, simply because the science world is small, and I have posted repeatedly that I work in chaos and non-linear dynamics and that I work on problems of fluid turbulence.

When you couple that with all of the other little things about myself I have said over my time here, that would be in essence writing my name, and I honestly do not need my university account flooded with crazy mail.

If you think that I am copping out then I really don't care. You could however, rather than making this about me, look at all of the data I keep linking to. In other words, you could actually try to refute IPCC, (which was a lowball estimate) and all of my colleagues at Princeton, MIT, UCSD, NASA, NOAA and others that I keep linking to.

What is your degree? Where did you get it?

See what I mean?

It really doesn't matter if you doubt me personally. Tell you what...

Go to the following sites. Look at their evidence and tell me I am wrong. I'll give you a hint though if you want my identity... I might just work with some of the people from these places...

[Link: earthguide.ucsd.edu...]

[Link: www.gfdl.noaa.gov...]

[Link: www.aip.org...]

1226 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 5:17:43pm

Ludwig- perhaps you could help Syrah and I. I know in the past you've posted a few examples of ways America could deal with climate change that wouldn't be too costly. Could you list those again for us, please. Thank you.

1227 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 5:18:06pm

re: #1104 Bagua

Why does my comment deserve your down ding?

Trust me. Feel free to tell Sharm to go piss up a rope. re: #1113 Sharmuta

Do you want another one for whining?

Sharmuta - I do believe that means 'whore in Arabic, no? Go piss up a rope.

1228 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 5:25:34pm

re: #1227 wahabicorridor

Pathetic. Pick your own fight, don't bandwagon onto someone else's.

1229 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 5:34:22pm

Man, did I ever miss a conflagration.

Here's some interesting factoids:

NREL Wind section:

... Wind energy is one of the fastest-growing forms of electricity generation in the world. ... Industry experts predict that, with proper development, wind energy could provide 20% of this nation's energy needs.

I'm thinking this is lowball, but I won't argue with NREL right now.

Scientific American Jan '08 Solar's potential is ~69% electricity and ~33% total energy needs by 2050. Cost $420Billion (includes storage, infrastructure, and new transmission backbone, asumes no revolutionary breakthroughs)

Add some nuke plants. Keep strategic coal stations stocked and maintained in case of national emergency or unexpected peak loads. Done. Zero emission, zero fossil power in 40 years. Even forgetting GW issues for a moment, it's about the smartest thing we could do.

1230 Bagua  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 5:35:41pm

re: #1228 Sharmuta

Agreed,

Wahabi - please don't interject irrelevant insults into an otherwise civil conversation. Sharmuta is entitled to an opinion, I merely asked for some clarification which I received so I could better interpret her response.

1231 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 5:43:57pm

re: #1229 Coracle

Thanks, Coracle. I did look for some information on wind farms, but a lot of it was dated. Regardless, I know for a fact more wind farms are coming.

re: #1230 Bagua

Thanks- and I apologize to you for the earlier snark. Someone whined about a ding down from me yesterday, and it's not fair to transfer that to you. I'm sorry.

1232 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 5:46:17pm

re: #1219 horse

Hey Horse,
Most of Pielke's work I can find are about climate policy, as opposed to climate science. Is there anything in particular where he talks about the facts of the science?

1233 Bagua  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 5:47:29pm

re: #1231 Sharmuta

Thank you for that!

1234 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 5:52:08pm

More from NREL (Walter should be pleased)

The Regional Energy Deployment System (ReEDS) (formerly known as the Wind Deployment System or WinDS) model is a computer model that optimizes the regional expansion of electric generation and transmission capacity in the continental United States over the next 50 years. This ReEDS Web site presents an overview of this NREL-developed tool, as well as relevant data and related publications. Site users also will find background on the model as well as a detailed model description. ReEDS is unique among capacity expansion models for its highly discretized regional structure and stochastic treatment of the impact of variability of wind and solar resources on capacity planning and dispatch. Along with numerous independent analyses, ReEDS was used prominently for the 20% Wind Energy by 2030 report and is currently being applied to the Renewable Energy Futures Study—an analysis of how the United States might provide 80% of its electricity from renewable sources.

Complete report (pdf) available via download from linked page.

1235 JHW  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 5:52:23pm

I can't contribute much here, but I'll throw something out that may be of interest re mini-nukes. I live in a county that was part of the WPPS (Washington Public Power Supply) debacle, two unfinished nuke plants and one of the largest bond defaults in history. Our local PUD is investigating mini-nukes. Props to them. Story from a local newspaper, yesterday.
PUD Looks at Nuke Partnership

The technology is discussed here, at Nuscale Power'sof
Corvallis, Oregon homepage.

1236 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 5:55:59pm

re: #1235 JHW


PUD Looks at Nuke Partnership

The technology is discussed here, at Nuscale Power'sof
Corvallis, Oregon homepage.

That's nifty chickens if they can get the program to fly.

1237 horse  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 5:57:34pm

re: #1225 ludwigvanquixote

I would love to look at the raw data. Please point me toward a source that has the raw non-homogenized data that supports this chart (from one of the links you provided) I would be most grateful. That is what it is all about, the raw data and how it was homogenized into the data behind this chart. If someone can show me that data and process, that would mean something to me.

1238 JHW  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 5:59:22pm

re: #1236 Coracle

The page on regulatory jnfo may be self serving but they claim first operational facility in 2015 or 2016.

1239 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 6:14:28pm

re: #1237 horse

I would love to look at the raw data. Please point me toward a source that has the raw non-homogenized data that supports this chart (from one of the links you provided) I would be most grateful. That is what it is all about, the raw data and how it was homogenized into the data behind this chart. If someone can show me that data and process, that would mean something to me.

Here's a link to a more recent report from the same group with additional links to data.

1240 horse  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 6:39:30pm

re: #1239 Coracle

Here's a link to a more recent report from the same group with additional links to data.

Thanks very much, I really appreciate the link. Unfortunately it is only the global and hemispheric anomalies post harmonization rather than actual raw data by country or region.

1241 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 6:52:12pm

re: #1240 horse

This page may be more useful. I believe the zipped files are the gridded data.

Further link sniffing can show you that the hemispheric data accuracy is +/- 0.05°C to two sigma, and further discussions of the data and its analysis.

1242 horse  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 7:29:24pm

re: #1241 Coracle

This page may be more useful. I believe the zipped files are the gridded data.

Further link sniffing can show you that the hemispheric data accuracy is +/- 0.05°C to two sigma, and further discussions of the data and its analysis.

Thanks again, that is more detailed data, but it is still the homogenized anomalies rather than actual raw data (and it was a little surprising how much regional data was missing). I followed some of the links to other sites from this page, such as the Hadley Centre. But again found they do not provide the actual data, just the homogenized quality controlled anomalies. They even make the statement "Most of the station data was given to us under conditions that don't allow us to redistribute it". Not sure why those restrictions are in place, but until we can look at the actual data, it just does not seem reasonable to support one argument over another.

1243 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 8:09:44pm

re: #1242 horse

I understand your desire for the raw data - and its possible the supplying sources would provide it on request. If you really want it, it might be worth asking.

Alternately, you could, and I think should read Jones and Moberg (2003) and Rayner et al. (2003) to see if they make a convincing case for you about data coverage and consistency. I don't know why some source data is non-redistributable, but it's possible it is part of some proprietary data set of I know not what.

1244 CommonCents  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 8:40:47pm

re: #1176 Sharmuta

I don't think we should assume we'll be able to handle the worst. Thanos has made some great points about how this will affect our water and food supply. I don't want to seem like a "alarmist", but it's frightening to think what our great-great-grandchildren will be looking at if we don't start looking seriously at this issue.

As long as I can golf, I'll be okay.

1245 Fenris  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:35:56pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

Dear Newbies-

Welcome to LGF! If you need something to help break the commenting ice, how about telling us what brought you to LGF? Always an interesting story. Hope you have fun, just remember to play nice.

Sincerely, Sharmuta

Ever see a puppy on the outside of a sliding glass door, looking inside longingly with those big brown eyes?

I wasn't anything like that, of course, but wasn't that a nice visual? Actually, I started lurking a month back when I realized there's a scary lot of things here I agree with.

1246 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:36:45pm

re: #1226 Sharmuta

Ludwig- perhaps you could help Syrah and I. I know in the past you've posted a few examples of ways America could deal with climate change that wouldn't be too costly. Could you list those again for us, please. Thank you.

Sorry that I was offline...

Now as to policy, and this is a matter of my opinion about what I think we should do, not a matter of the science behind the threat, I would do the following last year.

1. Start switching over to nuclear power. It is possible with the new ceramics available to construct reactors that can not melt down. This must be a massive, well run, tightly regulated endeavor. It has to be run the way the Navy does it, and not by MBA's who are willing to cut corners to increase profits. I personally do not care if it is a public/private partnership or a completely government run affair. I care that we stop burning fossil fuels as our primary means of generating electricity. I also care that we do it safely.

2. The limitations to solar and wind is battery storage. New batteries are available that solve this problem. We have to get those batteries out there so that electric cars are really practical and we have to give massive tax incentives to homeowners, factory owners and malls to install solar panels. This will not solve all of our energy needs, but it is a low hanging fruit that will cut down individual and business electricity consumption from the grid by a tremendous amount.

3. Stop buying so much disposable crap from Chinese and Indian sweatshops. Use a carrot and stick on them to get them more green.

4. In of themselves, even without the threat of AGW, these things would give America energy independence, staunch the flow of billions of dollars to hostile governments that hate us and improve living conditions for the average American through cleaner air and water. This would create entire industries and tens of thousands of jobs. In the long run, the investment would pay for itself. The only foreign people to be really hurt by theses measures will be the Saudis, the Venezuelans and others like them who hate us anyway. Domestically it will be hard on the oil industry and the coal industry. That can not be avoided.

1247 horse  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:05:33pm

re: #1243 Coracle

I understand your desire for the raw data - and its possible the supplying sources would provide it on request. If you really want it, it might be worth asking.

Alternately, you could, and I think should read Jones and Moberg (2003) and Rayner et al. (2003) to see if they make a convincing case for you about data coverage and consistency. I don't know why some source data is non-redistributable, but it's possible it is part of some proprietary data set of I know not what.

Again, many thanks, great links. I have started reading through their reports. Very interesting to see a bit of their approach in homogenizing the grids as additional data was made available. Still, it is all using previously homogenized data as a basis.

What would really be of value would be to have the raw data for the northern hemisphere from 1977 to present. One would think this to be readily available, as it is in modern times with much better record keeping, especially for EU, North America and Arctic regions. That time period in those geographic regions is the bulk of the 0.5 degrees of warming in the homogenized data; seeing the raw data is pretty important to understand how and why it was modified.

1248 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:14:43pm

re: #1247 horse

You could always try contacting the authors to get through to the original sources. That's the best I have.

1249 horse  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:17:45pm

re: #1246 Ludwigvanquixote

Great post, all sound suggestions I agree with completely. We don't even need to agree on AGW to agree those steps make sense and should be the strategic direction of our nation ASAP. Not to mention that would be some serious infrastructure stimulus that would help the long-term economy.

One final note, though I agree Navy standards and procedures are the best bar none, not all MBAer's are pinchers of pennies and safety. Some nowadays actually believe in sustainability over disposability, and localization over globalization. :)

1250 horse  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:18:59pm

re: #1248 Coracle

You could always try contacting the authors to get through to the original sources. That's the best I have.

That will be my next step. We shall see what happens.

1251 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:38:41pm

re: #1250 horse

Best of luck!

1252 shimoda  Fri, Aug 21, 2009 8:14:12am

Hi all,
and greetings from Finland. As someone stated before, have been lurking here for several years.
Seemed polite to introduce myself. It IS refreshing to read a non-crazy center-right American blog. Even though I probably am more left than most of you. Crazy European Socialist as I am.


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