Iran Threatens: the ‘Era of Mercy’ is Over

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The Iranian regime announced yesterday that they’re going to be severely cracking down on protesters who use cell phones and email, as technology continues undermining totalitarianism.

The police chief, Ismail Ahmadi Moghaddam, said at a news conference on Friday that those who used e-mail and cellphones to organize protests would be punished even more severely than the protesters themselves.

“After all the evidence we saw on Ashura, our tolerance has come to an end, and both the police force and the judiciary will be confronting them with full force,” Mr. Ahmadi Moghaddam said, according to Iran’s semiofficial news service ILNA.

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247 comments
1 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:43:02am

Thuckin Fugs!

2 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:43:25am

hmmm, will they require proof of using the technology to organize or will having the technology be enough proof?

3 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:43:39am

re: #1 sattv4u2

Thuckin Fugs!

((ummm,,, the regime, not the protesters, obviously))

4 albusteve  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:44:12am

whatever happened to the new round of tough sanctions?...now that Russia and the Chinese have backed away from them...how will BO respond to that?

5 Racer X  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:44:59am

This sucks.

6 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:45:00am

re: #4 albusteve

whatever happened to the new round of tough sanctions?...now that Russia and the Chinese have backed away from them...how will BO respond to that?

Send a strongly worded letter of his own?

7 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:45:18am

Los Angeles has a huge Persian community. We have co workers and neighbors who have been talking with us since the faux election. I really respect the expats opinions. The theocracy must fall.

8 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:45:27am

Six world powers are meeting in New York on whether to impose more sanctions against Iran because of its nuclear program.

Saturday's closed-door talks are aimed at pressuring Iran back to the negotiating table.

The world leaders want Iran to accept a U.N.-backed deal that would send most of its low-enriched uranium overseas for refinement into a higher grade fuel that is needed for a nuclear research reactor. Iran ignored an informal December 31 deadline to accept the deal.

The U.S. state department has said it will push for new sanctions targeting Iran's Revolutionary Guard, among others.

Five of the nations participating in Saturday's meeting - the U.S., France, Britain, Russia and Germany - sent high level diplomats. But participating country China had announced it would send a lower-level envoy.


SNIP

9 filetandrelease  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:45:36am

re: #2 ggt

hmmm, will they require proof of using the technology to organize or will having the technology be enough proof?

Ummm, no, they will need no proof.

10 pvdl1969  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:45:50am

Thugs indeed. This is a frightening development.

11 AK-47%  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:45:56am

I somehow have trouble seeing how Iran can become a serious 21st-century threat when they are so dedicated to maintaining the Middle Ages.

12 filetandrelease  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:47:15am

re: #11 ralphieboy

A medieval mind set and a nuclear bomb. Not a pleasant thought.

13 albusteve  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:47:52am

this revolt will either be shut down or escalate...if it does we may see open assasination/bombings etc...doubling down like this could put more pressure on the people and it will ahve to relieve itself somehow....desperate times and all that

14 wiffersnapper  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:48:13am

Next thing you know, they'll censor their usage of google!

15 albusteve  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:48:43am

re: #8 MandyManners

Six world powers are meeting in New York on whether to impose more sanctions against Iran because of its nuclear program.


SNIP

fail, period

16 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:49:14am

re: #11 ralphieboy

I somehow have trouble seeing how Iran can become a serious 21st-century threat when they are so dedicated to maintaining the Middle Ages.

You need some imagination.

17 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:49:25am

re: #11 ralphieboy

I somehow have trouble seeing how Iran can become a serious 21st-century threat when they are so dedicated to maintaining THEIR CITIZENS TO the Middle Ages.

ftfy,,,

18 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:50:03am

Where's my toy?

19 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:51:02am

It's always darkest before the dawn ...

I think the mullahs are toast. It may get uglier in the short term but regime change is coming.

20 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:51:41am

re: #16 MandyManners

LMAO

21 Donna Ballard  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:51:54am

I for one hope like heck that bunch of genetic defectives (the Iranian Government) gets themselves exorcised very soon, they scare the living daylights outta me!

22 YoungLibertarian92  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:52:12am

If Iran gets the bomb, will Ron Paulians still be spouting their isolationist nonsense?

23 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:52:28am

The more you tighten your grip Grand Admiral Tarkin the more systems will slip through your fingers.

(Paraphrased to the best of my memory)

24 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:52:32am

re: #18 MandyManners

Where's my toy?

Is that a BIC MAC in your pants or are you just happy to see me !?!?!

25 Donna Ballard  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:53:01am

re: #16 MandyManners

You need some imagination.

Oh Mandy I do love your sense of humor! Upding for you!

26 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:53:01am

re: #18 MandyManners

re: #24 sattv4u2

Is that a BIC MAC in your pants or are you just happy to see me !?!?!

WAIT ,, WAIt

I have a better one

DinnerJacket has a SMALL FRY!

27 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:53:49am

Let's send ShortShit back in time to a job more suited for him.

28 Donna Ballard  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:54:00am

re: #18 MandyManners

Where's my toy?

Happy Meal anyone? Another upding for you, Mandy!

29 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:54:25am

These are images I got here over the years.

30 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:54:25am

re: #10 pvdl1969

Welcome, hatchling.

31 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:54:30am

re: #12 filetandrelease

A medieval mind set and a nuclear bomb. Not a pleasant thought.

Research indicates a high probability that their refinement stocks are contaminated - it's back to square one for their enrichment program.

32 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:55:10am

Why I call him ShortShit.

33 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:55:15am

re: #10 pvdl1969

Hello, welcome!

34 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:55:26am

re: #22 YoungLibertarian92

If Iran gets the bomb, will Ron Paulians still be spouting their isolationist nonsense?

If the threat of Iran getting nukes hasn't moderated their position, why would the actuality do it?

35 Donna Ballard  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:55:32am

re: #27 MandyManners

Let's send ShortShit back in time to a job more suited for him.

You are on a roll this morning! Sesame seeds anyone? Upding number three for you!

36 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:56:16am

Two Jew-hating bastards. (This is not a photoshop.)

37 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:56:48am

Seems like I read somewhere that the "resistance" in Iran isn't all that desirable either. Trading one bunch of creeps for another, so to speak.

38 Kronocide  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:57:12am

re: #36 MandyManners

That's Duke isn't it?

39 Donna Ballard  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:57:13am

re: #10 pvdl1969

Thugs indeed. This is a frightening development.

Welcome!

40 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:57:18am

The technology that fits ShortShit.

41 YoungLibertarian92  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:57:29am

re: #34 wrenchwench

Because Ron Paul and his band of Neanderthals are reactionaries, just like the Iranians.

42 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:57:53am

re: #34 wrenchwench

Those guys would make the neocons look good by comparison, the very second Iran could land a warhead of any kind here.

43 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:58:24am

gotta go, have a great day all!

44 filetandrelease  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:58:35am

re: #31 Bobibutu

Research indicates a high probability that their refinement stocks are contaminated - it's back to square one for their enrichment program.


We can only hope.

45 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:59:07am

You make bath-time so much fun!

46 Donna Ballard  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:59:30am

Really gotta go to the pharmacy this time, BBL!

47 albusteve  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 9:59:53am

it's just beyond me why the Saudis, Israelis, Brits, and the US don't just gang up on Iran and take down their nuke capability, even for an extended setback....so easy a caveman could do it...doing nothing will be a disaster in the end

48 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:02:03am

re: #47 albusteve

it's just beyond me why the Saudis, Israelis, Brits, and the US don't just gang up on Iran and take down their nuke capability, even for an extended setback...so easy a caveman could do it...doing nothing will be a disaster in the end

We're hoping he'll unclench his widdle fists.

49 filetandrelease  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:02:34am

At some point, I hope, the regular army will turn against the mullahs. A lot of these regulars have relatives and friends involved in the demonstrations. Is there a breaking point where the army won't stand by and allow ordinary citizens to be brutalized?

50 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:03:27am

re: #47 albusteve

it's just beyond me why the Saudis, Israelis, Brits, and the US don't just gang up on Iran and take down their nuke capability, even for an extended setback...so easy a caveman could do it...doing nothing will be a disaster in the end

Speculation,

As much as the Saudis distrust and don't like Iran, the Saudis can't be on board if the Israelis are involved or they would lose "face" with the other Arab nations (save egypt, perhaps), and without an Arab partner in the venture it will just be percieved as the "west" doing this to protect Israel

51 SteveC  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:03:30am

re: #22 YoungLibertarian92

If Iran gets the bomb, will Ron Paulians still be spouting their isolationist nonsense?

The election was solen!! Ron Paul won all the polls on the webs, Every Fucking One. But the Demoncrats and the Rethuglicans took it wayz fromz us'es. Growz ups, peeps - Ron Paul can save us all!

/I'z in youz voten boothz, steelin youz votz!

///

52 albusteve  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:05:18am

re: #49 filetandrelease

At some point, I hope, the regular army will turn against the mullahs. A lot of these regulars have relatives and friends involved in the demonstrations. Is there a breaking point where the army won't stand by and allow ordinary citizens to be brutalized?

they are canon fodder...and I read where the Rev Guard is expanding in size, not good if true

53 albusteve  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:06:46am

re: #50 sattv4u2

Speculation,

As much as the Saudis distrust and don't like Iran, the Saudis can't be on board if the Israelis are involved or they would lose "face" with the other Arab nations (save egypt, perhaps), and without an Arab partner in the venture it will just be percieved as the "west" doing this to protect Israel

true enough....just deny it, any stink would be short lived

54 YoungLibertarian92  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:08:51am

re: #51 SteveC

One straw poll on the internet does not mean he won. Ron Paul has refered to Abraham Lincoln a "murderous tyrant", he associates with unapologetic racists like Lew Rockwell, and most of his supporters come from the intellectually bankrupt Ludwig Von Mises Institute, aka the "Neo-Confederate Civil War Reenactors of America".

55 filetandrelease  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:08:57am

re: #52 albusteve

they are canon fodder...and I read where the Rev Guard is expanding in size, not good if true

The regular army? Against the guard?

Something has to give.

56 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:10:01am

I remember the drills and bomb shelters of the later cold war era. Duck and cover. Kiss my ass goodbye. I really recall the relief as the cold war went away, or largely so. MAD worked on a carefully measured scale of calibrated brinkmanship. We came so close to disaster.

Do we want that again multiplied by 3 or 4 or 5 nuclear nations, run by theocrats? We really are only a few years from a bunch of countries being able to orbit small satellites themselves. That means a possible warhead anywhere along the trajectory. Global.

About this thing-We have the luxury of being beyond reach for now. First for our European allies, and then too soon for us that luxury is going away like a '90s retirement plan.

57 SteveC  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:11:15am

re: #54 YoungLibertarian92

One straw poll on the internet does not mean he won. Ron Paul has refered to Abraham Lincoln a "murderous tyrant", he associates with unapologetic racists like Lew Rockwell, and most of his supporters come from the intellectually bankrupt Ludwig Von Mises Institute, aka the "Neo-Confederate Civil War Reenactors of America".

Someone here does not understand that backslashes means "read with sarcasm!" However, since you are a rookie, we'll let that slide.

58 samsgran1948  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:11:25am

re: #31 Bobibutu

Research indicates a high probability that their refinement stocks are contaminated - it's back to square one for their enrichment program.

I'd like to believe that, Bobi, but I'm not willing to bet my life or the lives of my family and friends on it.

59 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:12:00am

re: #56 Rightwingconspirator

I remember the drills and bomb shelters of the later cold war era. Duck and cover. Kiss my ass goodbye. I really recall the relief as the cold war went away, or largely so. MAD worked on a carefully measured scale of calibrated brinkmanship. We came so close to disaster.

Do we want that again multiplied by 3 or 4 or 5 nuclear nations, run by theocrats? We really are only a few years from a bunch of countries being able to orbit small satellites themselves. That means a possible warhead anywhere along the trajectory. Global.

About this thing-We have the luxury of being beyond reach for now. First for our European allies, and then too soon for us that luxury is going away like a '90s retirement plan.

Don't forget that MAD won't work against ShortShit. He WANTS it.

60 YoungLibertarian92  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:13:14am

re: #57 SteveC

Opps. Sorry dude! My bad! I thought you where a Ron Paul drone. Woops!

61 SteveC  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:14:17am

re: #59 MandyManners

Don't forget that MAD won't work against ShortShit. He WANTS it.

Didn't he say at one time that his mission is to release the Iman/demon/fungus/whatever from the 13th well and end the world?

62 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:14:45am

re: #60 YoungLibertarian92

Opps. Sorry dude! My bad! I thought you where a Ron Paul drone. Woops!

Paulians can't tolerate the atmosphere here--all that oxygen.

63 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:15:12am

re: #61 SteveC

Didn't he say at one time that his mission is to release the Iman/demon/fungus/whatever from the 13th well and end the world?

The Madhi?

64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:15:29am

So, what they have been doing in Iran before is not a crackdown. I'd hate to imagine a "crackdown".

65 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:15:35am

re: #59 MandyManners

I have not. So much so I'm really not wanting to get into domestic politics on this. This topic transcends our internal machinations. Of course I also did not mention who he does give weapons to. The inner conservative in me just yells that stuff stops at the beach.

66 albusteve  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:15:49am

re: #61 SteveC

Didn't he say at one time that his mission is to release the Iman/demon/fungus/whatever from the 13th well and end the world?

yep...picture him in shades and a fedora like the Blues Bros...on a mission from allah

67 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:16:22am

re: #63 MandyManners

The Madhi?

Paul Madib.

68 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:16:25am

re: #64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Read that We Will Get Your Family

69 SteveC  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:16:51am

re: #63 MandyManners

The Madhi?

I think that's it. I actually have desire to look into the well and see!

Once you look into the well, the well looks into you....

70 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:16:55am

re: #65 Rightwingconspirator

I have not. So much so I'm really not wanting to get into domestic politics on this. This topic transcends our internal machinations. Of course I also did not mention who he does give weapons to. The inner conservative in me just yells that stuff stops at the beach.

Anyone who hates Israel.

71 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:17:09am

re: #67 Walter L. Newton

Paul Madib.

Who dat?

72 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:17:32am

re: #69 SteveC

I think that's it. I actually have desire to look into the well and see!

Once you look into the well, the well looks into you...

Where is that well?

73 albusteve  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:17:34am

re: #71 MandyManners

Who dat?

the Dunester

74 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:18:09am

re: #73 albusteve

Dunester?! LMAO

75 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:18:31am

re: #71 MandyManners

Who dat?

Wrong spelling, Paul Muad'Dib

76 sully33  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:18:48am

So are they going to kill people twice now?

77 filetandrelease  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:18:53am

It is official, Coakley is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. She release an add today of Brown's face photo shopped with the world trade center, in an effort to tie him to wall street. What a tasteless idiot. She doesn't deserve to be in the Senate.

78 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:21:20am

re: #77 filetandrelease

It is official, Coakley is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. She release an add today of Brown's face photo shopped with the world trade center, in an effort to tie him to wall street. What a tasteless idiot. She doesn't deserve to be in the Senate.

You mean the wanna'-be senator from Massachusettes?

79 albusteve  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:21:39am

re: #77 filetandrelease

It is official, Coakley is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. She release an add today of Brown's face photo shopped with the world trade center, in an effort to tie him to wall street. What a tasteless idiot. She doesn't deserve to be in the Senate.

the US Senate....100 elite legislators, a few of the most powerful people in the world, and this woman may be part of it...Al Franken...just chew on that

80 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:21:44am

re: #77 filetandrelease

That should be a game ender.

81 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:22:00am

Internet Argument Techniques

82 SteveC  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:22:27am

re: #72 MandyManners

Where is that well?

Nobody's sure. Allah, God, somebody hid both the Imam and the well.

/Maybe Ron Paul hid him.

83 filetandrelease  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:22:31am

re: #67 Walter L. Newton

Paul Madib.


It has always amazed me how Dune resembles the middle east politics. Which when I read it I didn't have a clue.

84 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:23:23am

re: #77 filetandrelease

It is official, Coakley is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. She release an add today of Brown's face photo shopped with the world trade center, in an effort to tie him to wall street. What a tasteless idiot. She doesn't deserve to be in the Senate.

At least her people didn't try to put the word MASSACHUSETTS in the ad and have it misspelled

85 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:23:39am

re: #61 SteveC

Didn't he say at one time that his mission is to release the Iman/demon/fungus/whatever from the 13th well and end the world?

I'm not sure how at face value to take that. Never have been.

I also don't know how closely that ties in with what the men behind him are planning.

86 filetandrelease  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:23:44am

re: #78 MandyManners

You mean the wanna'-be senator from Massachusettes?

That is the one. The Heir apparent.

87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:25:15am

re: #76 sully33

So are they going to kill people twice now?

Exactly what I would have said, had I been more clever.

88 filetandrelease  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:25:36am

re: #80 Rightwingconspirator
They already pulled the add, but not in time. She could be running the worst campaign since Gulliani.

89 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:25:39am

re: #77 filetandrelease

It is official, Coakley is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. She release an add today of Brown's face photo shopped with the world trade center, in an effort to tie him to wall street. What a tasteless idiot. She doesn't deserve to be in the Senate.

I'd seen the upraor about that but hadn't looked at the pic until now. From all the outrage I just assumed it was a pic of the planes crashing into the towers. It looks like it could be any tall building. Are all pictures of the pre-911 NY skyline off limits? I can't really get upset about that image, I don't see anything wrong with that.

90 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:26:04am

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Hah! That belongs in every noob inbox upon registration. Or at least the suspicious ones...Thanks, it will be fun to pass along to some friends.

91 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:26:29am

re: #87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Exactly what I would have said, had I been more clever.

nothing to fret about.
You have other qualities we like!

There's your ,, ummm,,,, eerrrrrr ,,, well ,,,, ahhh ,,,

(can I get back to you on this!?!?)

92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:26:51am

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Up-dinged before I even looked at it.

This'll be fun...

93 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:27:03am

re: #82 SteveC

Nobody's sure. Allah, God, somebody hid both the Imam and the well.

/Maybe Ron Paul hid him.

Maybe Paul is the mahdi.

94 ethics  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:28:29am

re: #89 Killgore Trout

I'd seen the upraor about that but hadn't looked at the pic until now. From all the outrage I just assumed it was a pic of the planes crashing into the towers. It looks like it could be any tall building. Are all pictures of the pre-911 NY skyline off limits? I can't really get upset about that image, I don't see anything wrong with that.

For you to use it, or for me, of course not. When you have a state (actually national) exposure, there are enough NYC skylines (hell, use NYSE building, or the Fed building) to use for an ad to get your point across. It's not a crime what she did but terribly stupid.

95 SteveC  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:28:42am

re: #93 MandyManners

Maybe Paul is the mahdi.

My word, Holmes! How cunningly brilliant! :)

96 filetandrelease  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:28:46am

re: #89 Killgore Trout
I think it is tasteless at best. And the idea that maybe they didn't know what skyline it is, well, that boat don't float. It was intentional, and offensive to many, and has been quickly removed.

From a campaign perspective, it was stupid. It will cost her votes.

97 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:28:54am

re: #83 filetandrelease

I hear it will be re-made again. That Arab angle is going to play really weird, as when the book came out it was just a writers way to evoke the exotic aliens desert culture. Nobody knew jihad. My take anyway.

98 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:28:57am

re: #86 filetandrelease

That is the one. The Heir apparent.

She actually used an image of one of the buildings that was destroyed on 9-11? Was she trying to associate him with terrorism?

99 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:30:02am

re: #77 filetandrelease

It is official, Coakley is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. She release an add today of Brown's face photo shopped with the world trade center, in an effort to tie him to wall street. What a tasteless idiot. She doesn't deserve to be in the Senate.

This was Bush's fault. If Bush had not screw up the economy the way he did, there would not be this mad rush for candidates like Coakley to hurry into the task of fixing all the terrible things the Bush administration had done to this country. Actually, it shows a intelligent level of urgency on her part. We need more leaders like this.

100 filetandrelease  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:31:18am

re: #98 MandyManners
Yes, the pic is from Ground Zero, but she was trying to associate him with Wall Street, not terrorizm. It is so stupid I really don't understand it.

101 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:31:21am

re: #89 Killgore Trout

I'd seen the upraor about that but hadn't looked at the pic until now. From all the outrage I just assumed it was a pic of the planes crashing into the towers. It looks like it could be any tall building. Are all pictures of the pre-911 NY skyline off limits? I can't really get upset about that image, I don't see anything wrong with that.

It shows the amateurishness of her campaign. When trying to tie something/one to Wall Street, the typical images are here [Link: images.google.com...] ESPECIALLY this one Image: Wall_street_bull.jpg

To include a picture of buildingsthat were destroyed over 8 years ago is ludicrous

102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:31:24am

re: #89 Killgore Trout

Yeah, but it was dumb.

By the way, anytime I see the NYC skyline in a movie that shows the WTC, it get a chill.

Anytime I see the NYC skyline in a movie without the WTC, I get a chill.

103 filetandrelease  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:31:53am

re: #99 Walter L. Newton
LOL, yes, I see it now.

104 albusteve  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:31:55am

re: #99 Walter L. Newton

This was Bush's fault. If Bush had not screw up the economy the way he did, there would not be this mad rush for candidates like Coakley to hurry into the task of fixing all the terrible things the Bush administration had done to this country. Actually, it shows a intelligent level of urgency on her part. We need more leaders like this.

yes, hurry to the task....another crisis is looming!...somewhere

105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:32:17am

Also, every time I see lower Manhattan, I think she looks like a beautiful woman who had her front teeth knocked out.

106 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:32:51am

re: #104 albusteve

yes, hurry to the task...another crisis is looming!...somewhere

"I must get this cheese to Washington!"

107 Gus  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:33:38am

re: #77 filetandrelease

It is official, Coakley is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. She release an add today of Brown's face photo shopped with the world trade center, in an effort to tie him to wall street. What a tasteless idiot. She doesn't deserve to be in the Senate.

For one, this is an ad by the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee -- the article you link to even states this. The claim that "she" is responsible for this ad is false. This is not even the Martha Coakley campaign, it is separate. The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee more than likely used a stock photo. There is no conspiracy.

108 filetandrelease  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:33:39am

re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Very sad, a solemn analogy.

109 albusteve  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:34:02am

re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Also, every time I see lower Manhattan, I think she looks like a beautiful woman who had her front teeth knocked out.

it really is a striking difference...maybe you have to have seen it with your own eyes, I don't know...but for me it's very moving and just makes me angry inside

110 SteveC  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:34:21am

re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah, but it was dumb.

By the way, anytime I see the NYC skyline in a movie that shows the WTC, it get a chill.

Anytime I see the NYC skyline in a movie without the WTC, I get a chill.

Did you see the original trailer for Spider-Man? Spidey caught the bad guys (Wall street types) by trapping their helicopter in a web built between the twin towers. Needless to say, that disappeared quickly.

111 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:34:39am

re: #107 Gus 802

For one, this is an ad by the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee -- the article you link to even states this. The claim that "she" is responsible for this ad is false. This is not even the Martha Coakley campaign, it is separate. The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee more than likely used a stock photo. There is no conspiracy.

Then she should come out and denounce it, no?

112 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:35:06am

re: #93 MandyManners

Maybe Paul is the mahdi.

Theologically speaking, that would be upsetting on SO many levels, to SO many people.

113 gegenkritik  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:35:10am

More than 20 high-ranking iranian diplomats have resigned in the last weeks, asking for political asylum in the countries where they work. Here's an interview with the retired former iranian consulate to Norway.

I expect this regime to collapse within 2010.

114 albusteve  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:35:39am

re: #110 SteveC

Did you see the original trailer for Spider-Man? Spidey caught the bad guys (Wall street types) by trapping their helicopter in a web built between the twin towers. Needless to say, that disappeared quickly.

from Jersey the city doesn't even look the same...

115 Gus  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:35:47am

re: #111 sattv4u2

Then she should come out and denounce it, no?

I don't know if she did or not. I just woke up. They pulled the ad or that is replaced the background image.

116 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:35:54am

re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah, but it was dumb.

By the way, anytime I see the NYC skyline in a movie that shows the WTC, it get a chill.

Anytime I see the NYC skyline in a movie without the WTC, I get a chill.


I start crying when I see the opening credits of "Spin City". Which is moronic, I freely admit it.

117 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:36:03am

re: #58 samsgran1948

I'd like to believe that, Bobi, but I'm not willing to bet my life or the lives of my family and friends on it.

Nor I, nor I.

118 filetandrelease  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:36:14am

re: #107 Gus 802
Yes, you are right, I am sure she never even saw the add. But are you sure there is no conspiracy?


A stock photo? Sure. Just a little goof.

119 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:37:50am

re: #109 albusteve

The first time I saw it, Bish, I was coming up the New Jersey Turnpike... pulled over at the next exit and bawled like a baby.

120 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:38:12am

re: #115 Gus 802

I don't know if she did or not. I just woke up. They pulled the ad or that is replaced the background image.

"Stock photos" of Wall street are tyipcal to the ones in my #101 links.

Someone deliberatly used the one that is (was) in the ad.

121 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:39:04am

re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah, but it was dumb.

By the way, anytime I see the NYC skyline in a movie that shows the WTC, it get a chill.

Anytime I see the NYC skyline in a movie without the WTC, I get a chill.

Me too. I'm afraid of heights now. I wasn't when I was a kid.

122 ethics  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:39:15am

re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


Anytime I see the NYC skyline in a movie without the WTC, I get a chill.

I still look for it occasionally on the B train on my commutes (B line goes across Manhattan bridge). :(

123 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:39:20am

re: #116 SanFranciscoZionist

I start crying when I see the opening credits of "Spin City". Which is moronic, I freely admit it.

Same with me with NYPD Blue reruns

They even had an episode with Sipowize (sp?) standing across the harbor looking at where WTC was and crying

124 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:39:38am

re: #107 Gus 802

For one, this is an ad by the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee -- the article you link to even states this. The claim that "she" is responsible for this ad is false. This is not even the Martha Coakley campaign, it is separate. The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee more than likely used a stock photo. There is no conspiracy.

Since the ad was in reference to "Wall Street" corruption, why not a "stock picture" of the typical Wall Street street sign instead.

Bottom line is, you cannot defend the ad, whether Coakley had anything to do with it or not.

Or can you defend it?

125 SteveC  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:39:48am

re: #120 sattv4u2

"Stock photos" of Wall street are tyipcal to the ones in my #101 links.

Someone deliberatly used the one that is (was) in the ad.

If nothing else, you'd think someone would clean out the image files sometime in the past eight years.

126 albusteve  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:40:27am

re: #119 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The first time I saw it, Bish, I was coming up the New Jersey Turnpike... pulled over at the next exit and bawled like a baby.

yes, exactly...

127 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:40:29am

Unfortunate, but very predictable, some of us were wondering why they did not take the extreme measures that they have used previously to block some internet access during the Ashura protests. Now I would venture to guess that they left it usable in order to identify those who were actually using it.

Another North Korea in the making it would seem...

128 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:41:13am

re: #125 SteveC

If nothing else, you'd think someone would clean out the image files sometime in the past eight years.

If nothing else, you would think that some people would stop defending every damn thing the Democrats do, even if it's something as bold and disgusting as using this picture in a anti-brown ad.

129 Gus  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:41:41am

re: #124 Walter L. Newton

Since the ad was in reference to "Wall Street" corruption, why not a "stock picture" of the typical Wall Street street sign instead.

Bottom line is, you cannot defend the ad, whether Coakley had anything to do with it or not.

Or can you defend it?

I'm not defending the ad.

The only thing I can defend is that it probably was some graphics person that just stuck that image into the video.

Nontroversy.

130 captdiggs  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:42:23am

re: #8 MandyManners

Six world powers are meeting in New York on whether to impose more sanctions against Iran because of its nuclear program.


SNIP

Too late.
Especially with China saying point blank that they won't abide by any new sanctions.
Personally, I think the Obama administration knows this and has accepted a nuclear armed Iran which they hope to contain.

131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:42:25am

re: #124 Walter L. Newton

Super-dipshit-dumbhead-ignorant-stupid.

Somebody is looking for a job.

Before the face hits the pavement outside of the door"YOU CAN'T FIRE ME!? I'M A VOLUNTEER!"

132 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:43:09am

re: #129 Gus 802

I'm not defending the ad.

The only thing I can defend is that it probably was some graphics person that just stuck that image into the video.

Nontroversy.

"some graphics person" doesn't give final approval for an ads release

but nice try!

133 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:43:43am

re: #129 Gus 802

I'm not defending the ad.

The only thing I can defend is that it probably was some graphics person that just stuck that image into the video.

Nontroversy.

Sorry, it happened, there for controversy. You can't make it go away now. If they are stupid enough to accept any piece of shit that is handed to them, then they will have controversy.

Oh, so you are depending the idiot graphics person?

134 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:44:21am

re: #129 Gus 802

Gus? Please say it was a moronic thing to do. You have to admit, there's no partisanship in this. It was a bone-headed mistake.

135 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:44:57am

re: #132 sattv4u2

"some graphics person" doesn't give final approval for an ads release

but nice try!

No shit. But, gotta defend someone. Can't just admit it was a bad mistake.

136 Gus  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:45:01am

re: #134 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gus? Please say it was a moronic thing to do. You have to admit, there's no partisanship in this. It was a bone-headed mistake.

That I can agree with.

137 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:45:31am

re: #136 Gus 802

That I can agree with.

Controversy :)

138 filetandrelease  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:45:45am

In an election as close as this one, it may even cost her the race.

139 Gus  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:46:23am

Oh brother... Be back later.

140 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:47:21am

re: #138 filetandrelease

In an election as close as this one, it may even cost her the race.

doubtful

Most people probably didn't even know about/ see/ care about the photo

And those that did already had their minds made up to vote for her or not.

141 SteveC  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:47:23am

re: #138 filetandrelease

In an election as close as this one, it may even cost her the race.

Don't forget, The One is coming to the rescue! As soon as he can get the saddle on his unicorn....

//

142 simoom  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:47:44am

re: #118 filetandrelease

Yes, you are right, I am sure she never even saw the add. But are you sure there is no conspiracy?

A stock photo? Sure. Just a little goof.

Can anyone who thinks it was intentional please describe a motive that makes any sense? First of all very few people would recognize the image for what it is, so I suppose you start off by only sending whatever message you think they were dog whistling to the select few who recognize the architecture in that photo. But once it was discovered and the inevitable outrage was broadcast to the media what was the potential upside?

Our political discourse associates "strong on terror" with the republicans -- it's always treated as a weakness for democratic candidates. Invoking 9/11 and the fear of terror attacks only would strengthen her opponent who has made his anti-terror "toughness" a central part of his campaign (see: having Rudy really hammer away at this when he was stumping for Brown the other day).

143 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:48:07am

We should be assholes and elbows developing anti-missile technology. Might even be a good idea to share it with some of our former enemies.

144 ethics  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:48:29am

re: #107 Gus 802

For one, this is an ad by the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee -- the article you link to even states this. The claim that "she" is responsible for this ad is false. This is not even the Martha Coakley campaign, it is separate. The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee more than likely used a stock photo. There is no conspiracy.

1. No one said it was a conspiracy. I've read (including me saying) it was stupid and in bad taste.
2. I do appreciate the factual statement above though. It does clear her up SOMEWHAT but not entirely. Unfortunately, as we saw with Bush, crap will cling.

145 Lateralis  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:49:01am

re: #99 Walter L. Newton

This was Bush's fault. If Bush had not screw up the economy the way he did, there would not be this mad rush for candidates like Coakley to hurry into the task of fixing all the terrible things the Bush administration had done to this country. Actually, it shows a intelligent level of urgency on her part. We need more leaders like this.

I guess the Democrats have no hand in the economic troubles with the social engineering that was going on in congress pushing loans to people that could not afford to pay them.

146 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:50:02am

re: #113 gegenkritik

Great link, now that I got through some of it. Right on topic.

147 SteveC  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:51:13am

re: #143 Boogberg

We should be assholes and elbows developing anti-missile technology. Might even be a good idea to share it with some of our former enemies.

Maybe we can borrow some from the Israelis

148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:51:51am

re: #142 simoom

I don't think it was intentional at all, there is no way that it was intentional.

That being said, was monumentally olympically stupid.

149 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:52:44am

re: #147 SteveC

Oh no haven't you heard? Being able to defend yourself is provocative. Upsets the balance of power.

///

150 simoom  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:53:15am

re: #148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That being said, was monumentally olympically stupid.

Yup -- played right into his team's messaging.

151 ethics  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:53:51am

re: #147 SteveC

Maybe we can borrow some from the Israelis

Those in the know... how much of that is bluff and how much of it is genuine defensive technology? Everytime I see these defensive systems I am thinking of the Patriot system and how we were told months (if not years) the true odds of it being effective.

152 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:53:52am

re: #145 Lateralis

I guess the Democrats have no hand in the economic troubles with the social engineering that was going on in congress pushing loans to people that could not afford to pay them.

They were only trying to help the people who couldn't afford and shouldn't have been trying to purchase a home. What's wrong with that?

153 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:54:00am

re: #148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

An error in the big leagues can really hurt. Welcome to outrages real, unreal, imagined and unimagined!

154 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:54:17am

re: #150 simoom

Yup -- played right into his team's messaging.

Had nothing to do with 'messaging'

Has EVERYTHING to do with competence!

155 SteveC  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:54:33am

re: #149 Rightwingconspirator

Oh no haven't you heard? Being able to defend yourself is provocative. Upsets the balance of power.

///

Dad-gummit, I keep missing memos! We really got to work on this telecommuting and get the bugs ironed out.

156 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:56:02am

re: #142 simoom

Can anyone who thinks it was intentional please describe a motive that makes any sense? First of all very few people would recognize the image for what it is...

I guess you're right, no one noticed what the image was.

157 jaunte  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:56:03am

I don't think the WTC image in the ad means anything about Coakley. Her involvement in the Amirault case is enough to disqualify her judgment to serve in office.

158 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:58:04am

re: #151 ethics

Those in the know... how much of that is bluff and how much of it is genuine defensive technology? Everytime I see these defensive systems I am thinking of the Patriot system and how we were told months (if not years) the true odds of it being effective.

The Patriot system is relatively long in the tooth though. Lots of advances since then.

159 filetandrelease  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:59:25am

re: #142 simoom

Very few people would reconize the photo? That is silly.

Motive? That I have no idea. But a hundred salesman could not convince me it was an accident.

160 Big Steve  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:00:09am

probably old news but I am getting caught up.....I see Charles's item on Danny Glover went up on True Slant.

161 Lateralis  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:00:53am

re: #152 Walter L. Newton

They were only trying to help the people who couldn't afford and shouldn't have been trying to purchase a home. What's wrong with that?

What is wrong with it is they are not helping them by putting them into a situation that is going to lead to them having their home foreclosed on. Help them by providing economic opportunities (jobs) that will ensure they are in a situation to afford a house. Help them by providing education on money management. No one is helped by being put into a situation that is inevitable going to lead to failure.

162 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:00:54am

re: #151 ethics

That was a technological eon ago. Remember our navy hit that satellite? The US Navy rules the anti missile results, time and again.
Excerpt
So far, the system has been successful in 16 out of 19 tests and actual use of the system (in shooting down a space satellite in low orbit). This has caused the navy to shift more resources to equipping ships, already having the AEGIS anti-aircraft system, with software upgrades and the SM-3 anti-missile missiles.

163 gegenkritik  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:01:08am

re: #146 Rightwingconspirator

Many Iranian Diplomats Seek Political Asylum

Ali Akbar Omidmehr, former Islamic Republic’s diplomat who had served as Iranian ambassador in India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan, revealed last night in an interview with Voice of America (VOA) that in addition to the diplomat in Norway, many other diplomats have abandoned their posts and have sought political asylum in the countries where they were serving.

According to Dr. Omidmehr, in the past two weeks alone, five of the Islamic Republic’s diplomats have filed for refugee status in the countries of their diplomatic residence. These five individuals, in addition to Mohammad Reza Heydari, Iran’s Councilor in Norway whose resignation was announced in the media, include 2 diplomats in Germany, one diplomat in France, and one diplomat in the UK. They all have sought asylum along with their families.

Omidmehr explained that the reason such information has not been reported by the media is that in European countries like Germany it is unlawful for the government to make public asylum seekers’ personal information such as their name and nationality. The right to reveal such information is reserved for the applicants themselves. He added that the aforementioned diplomats are still arranging for the security of their families and themselves, and that is why they have not publicly discussed their moves.

Omidmehr also stated that since the beginning of the Green Movement of Iranian people, 27 diplomats in total have abandoned their posts and have sought asylum in Western countries.

164 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:01:55am

re: #152 Walter L. Newton

re: #161 Lateralis

Walter

Aren't you glad Lateralis was here to clear that up for you !?!?!

//

165 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:02:09am

BRB

166 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:03:34am

re: #163 gegenkritik

Good indicator of a regime on the way out.

167 Lateralis  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:03:40am

re: #164 sattv4u2

Maybe if someone would of clarified it with our elected officials a lot of pain and suffering could have been avoided.

168 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:03:43am

Here is the kind of blood that the theocrats in Iran have on their hands.

The sooner they are gone the better.

History will think us culpable if we let them stay much longer.

169 simoom  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:04:04am

re: #154 sattv4u2

Had nothing to do with 'messaging'

Has EVERYTHING to do with competence!

Since the debate a sizable part of Brown's messaging (and also Giuliani's when he was in MA stumping) has been to use her Afghanistan Al Qaeda/Taliban debate blunder to paint her has clueless w/ respect to the war against terrorism. The DSCC not recognizing an image of the WTC plays into that and tees up some really easy outrage fodder.

170 filetandrelease  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:04:19am

re: #113 gegenkritik

More than 20 high-ranking iranian diplomats have resigned in the last weeks, asking for political asylum in the countries where they work. Here's an interview with the retired former iranian consulate to Norway.

I expect this regime to collapse within 2010.

That does not forebode well for the mullahs and appears to be much needed good news.

171 ethics  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:04:30am

re: #162 Rightwingconspirator

That was a technological eon ago. Remember our navy hit that satellite? The US Navy rules the anti missile results, time and again.
Excerpt
So far, the system has been successful in 16 out of 19 tests and actual use of the system (in shooting down a space satellite in low orbit). This has caused the navy to shift more resources to equipping ships, already having the AEGIS anti-aircraft system, with software upgrades and the SM-3 anti-missile missiles.

Thanks for that, really appreciate it.

172 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:04:41am

re: #168 Ojoe

Not after Iraq I would think.

173 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:05:30am

U.S. Economy: Industrial Production, Confidence Climb

Production in the U.S. rose for a sixth consecutive month, consumers gained confidence and price increases slowed, indicating the economic recovery is being sustained into 2010 without generating inflation.

Output climbed 0.6 percent in December for a second month, according to figures from the Federal Reserve issued today in Washington. The cost of living increased 0.1 percent last month, less than the median forecast of economists surveyed by Bloomberg News, and sentiment reached a four-month high in January, other reports showed.

Manufacturers may ramp up production in coming months to rebuild stockpiles and meet rising global demand that’s lifting profits at companies including Intel Corp. The rebound so far has soaked up a quarter of the excess capacity created by the worst recession since the 1930s, giving the Fed scope to keep interest rates close to zero through the first half of the year.

“The economy is on a pretty good track on the recovery side and inflation is not a problem,” said Nariman Behravesh, chief economist at IHS Global Insight in Lexington, Massachusetts, who correctly forecast the increase in consumer prices. “The Fed can be pretty relaxed, at least for the moment, and focus on making sure this recovery is sustainable.”

174 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:06:15am

re: #161 Lateralis

What is wrong with it is they are not helping them by putting them into a situation that is going to lead to them having their home foreclosed on. Help them by providing economic opportunities (jobs) that will ensure they are in a situation to afford a house. Help them by providing education on money management. No one is helped by being put into a situation that is inevitable going to lead to failure.

You need to spend a little more time on Little Green Footballs. And maybe I should apologize. I'm one of those really long time Lizards who has been around so long that most Lizards know when I am being sarcastic or not, you're not a regular, and you missed my point.

I was being sarcastic, I though that was evident by the total lack of any intelligence in my two comments. I was imitating a progressive. I was good, wasn't I, fooled you.

175 filetandrelease  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:06:44am

re: #173 Killgore Trout
More good news. Damn, I might take the afternoon off.

176 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:08:10am

re: #175 filetandrelease

I'm still bracing for a drawback or correction in the market. The recovery so far has been pretty remarkable, almost too good to be true.

177 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:08:32am

re: #169 simoom

Since the debate a sizable part of Brown's messaging (and also Giuliani's when he was in MA stumping) has been to use her Afghanistan Al Qaeda/Taliban debate blunder to paint her has clueless w/ respect to the war against terrorism. The DSCC not recognizing an image of the WTC plays into that and tees up some really easy outrage fodder.

Then all the more reason why it was stupid of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee to include the photo

Dumb + Dumb does not =smart

178 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:09:34am

re: #167 Lateralis

Maybe if someone would of clarified it with our elected officials a lot of pain and suffering could have been avoided.

Yeah ,, because our elected officials ALWAYS do whats right, never what will garner votes!
/(need I)?

179 Racer X  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:09:55am

re: #176 Killgore Trout

I'm still bracing for a drawback or correction in the market. The recovery so far has been pretty remarkable, almost too good to be true.

Any bumps will be minor for the next few years, barring a catastrophe. Things are looking good.

180 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:10:01am

Beans are boiling for the refried beans and chicken is simmering for the enchiladas. Gotta' go get more garlic.

181 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:10:02am

re: #175 filetandrelease

More good news. Damn, I might take the afternoon off.

Right... over the last two weeks, gas has risen by almost 50 cents in some areas, nothing going on here... move on.

What a bunch of bullshit. This past Thursday the economy took a hat trick, tanking in three different areas, unemployment filings, Xmas sales and housing.

182 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:12:15am

re: #168 Ojoe

Here is the kind of blood that the theocrats in Iran have on their hands.

The sooner they are gone the better.

History will think us culpable if we let them stay much longer.

But what can "we" do? Answer: nothing. The mullahs aren't going to walk away from the regime when they have all the power. No amount of international sanctions is going to threaten them either.

183 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:12:42am

re: #173 Killgore Trout

re: #175 filetandrelease

re: #181 Walter L. Newton

Right... over the last two weeks, gas has risen by almost 50 cents in some areas, nothing going on here... move on.

What a bunch of bullshit. This past Thursday the economy took a hat trick, tanking in three different areas, unemployment filings, Xmas sales and housing.

And driving home last night it was reported that Georgia will be releasing higher than expected unemployemnt numbers with those coming mostly in the manufacturing sector

184 simoom  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:13:51am

re: #156 Walter L. Newton

I guess you're right, no one noticed what the image was.

The first time I read about someone noticing the image was at least a day after the ad had been all over the airwaves here. I must have seen the ad at least 5 or 6 times by that point and it certainly didn't jump out at me (and I've been to that area of Manhattan a number of times in the 90's). I'd guess Brown's opposition research team didn't notice it either based on the time it took for it to hit the blogs (and then the media).

185 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:14:19am

re: #176 Killgore Trout

Meridith Whitney sure made a bad call on JPM. :D

I hope she's wrong about Bank of America as well.

186 Racer X  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:14:41am

The private sector is finding ways to grow business and make money - in spite of what elected officials are doing. In some areas things still look bad - one of my employees just lost his home to foreclosure last week. 2-3 years out I see a full economic recovery. Unless Obama does something really stupid.

187 filetandrelease  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:16:40am

re: #176 Killgore Trout
My business (boats) has been strangely busy the last few months, even through our typical slow season. Provides hope, but it is difficult to be optimistic.

188 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:17:35am

re: #179 Racer X

Any bumps will be minor for the next few years, barring a catastrophe. Things are looking good.

You're probably right. This crisis was pretty tough on me and I'm still feeling the pain so I'm a little cautious but overall optimistic.

189 filetandrelease  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:17:56am

re: #181 Walter L. Newton

Shit, back to work.

190 Buck  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:18:07am

re: #110 SteveC

Did you see the original trailer for Spider-Man? Spidey caught the bad guys (Wall street types) by trapping their helicopter in a web built between the twin towers. Needless to say, that disappeared quickly.

Actually it was actual bank robbers... well dressed, but not wall street types...

191 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:18:27am

re: #184 simoom

The first time I read about someone noticing the image was at least a day after the ad had been all over the airwaves here. I must have seen the ad at least 5 or 6 times by that point and it certainly didn't jump out at me (and I've been to that area of Manhattan a number of times in the 90's). I'd guess Brown's opposition research team didn't notice it either based on the time it took for it to hit the blogs (and then the media).

I don't know how old you are, I don't know exactly where you live, I don't know what circles you run in, but I lived in the New York area for 24 years. The image of those buildings are as much part of my "file" of mental images and the "y" on a New York subway token, as New York pizza, as any cultural meme that I grew up with.

Sorry it says nothing to you. And just because it says nothing to you doesn't mean it doesn't say something to a whole lot of people. Seems like you are trying to speak for, and presuppose how everyone else would have reacted to the image.

What makes you the arbiter of what image means what to who?

192 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:22:16am

re: #185 Boogberg

Meridith Whitney sure made a bad call on JPM. :D

I hope she's wrong about Bank of America as well.

I just checked PJM and noticed ex-lizard zombie is now writing for them.

193 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:22:48am

re: #187 filetandrelease

My business (boats) has been strangely busy the last few months, even through our typical slow season. Provides hope, but it is difficult to be optimistic.

Orders are picking up slightly where I work too. My favorite phrase:

V-shaped recovery :)

194 McSpiff  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:26:08am

re: #191 Walter L. Newton

I don't know how old you are, I don't know exactly where you live, I don't know what circles you run in, but I lived in the New York area for 24 years. The image of those buildings are as much part of my "file" of mental images and the "y" on a New York subway token, as New York pizza, as any cultural meme that I grew up with.

Sorry it says nothing to you. And just because it says nothing to you doesn't mean it doesn't say something to a whole lot of people. Seems like you are trying to speak for, and presuppose how everyone else would have reacted to the image.

What makes you the arbiter of what image means what to who?

For the record, I'm 22 and have never been to New York. I recognized the tower. The look of the windows is distinct in my mind for some reason.

195 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:26:29am

re: #192 Killgore Trout

I just checked PJM and noticed ex-lizard zombie is now writing for them.

Really? Far out. Er, why is Zombie an ex-lizard? Did I miss something?

196 filetandrelease  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:26:38am

I have been involved in more than a few marketing campaigns over the years and when you prepare an add for the media where you are going to be spending thousands of dollars, a lot of thought goes into it by many different people. They knew full well what the back ground picture represented. To assume other wise suggest a team preparing a campaign to run for president of the senior class in high school, not a run for the Senate.

197 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:27:03am

re: #194 McSpiff

For the record, I'm 22 and have never been to New York. I recognized the tower. The look of the windows is distinct in my mind for some reason.

22!?!?!?

I have things in my freezer older than you !!

198 filetandrelease  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:27:04am

re: #193 Boogberg

Orders are picking up slightly where I work too. My favorite phrase:

V-shaped recovery :)

I like that!

199 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:28:10am

re: #195 Boogberg


Er, why is Zombie an ex-lizard?


She decided to pursue a more extreme ODS oriented agenda.

200 McSpiff  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:28:19am

re: #197 sattv4u2

22!?!?!?

I have things in my freezer older than you !!

Aye, I'm but a wee one.

201 ethics  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:28:23am

re: #194 McSpiff

For the record, I'm 22 and have never been to New York. I recognized the tower. The look of the windows is distinct in my mind for some reason.

Haha, I was 22 when I actually worked for Cantor on 103rd floor. :(

202 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:29:18am

re: #194 McSpiff

For the record, I'm 22 and have never been to New York. I recognized the tower. The look of the windows is distinct in my mind for some reason.

My point is made.

203 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:31:22am

re: #182 eclectic infidel

The civilized world should apply force from the outside, or we will get another phrase like "Hitler should have been stopped at Munich."

204 simoom  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:31:26am

re: #191 Walter L. Newton

Sorry it says nothing to you. And just because it says nothing to you doesn't mean it doesn't say something to a whole lot of people. Seems like you are trying to speak for, and presuppose how everyone else would have reacted to the image.

What makes you the arbiter of what image means what to who?

The only point I've been arguing against was the idea that an image of the WTC was included intentionally.

See my first post in this thread here:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/showc/142/8026730

I've said nothing about how anyone should feel about the imagery.

re: #177 sattv4u2

Then all the more reason why it was stupid of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee to include the photo

Dumb + Dumb does not =smart

I also haven't argued it was smart -- in fact I argued the opposite. It's a stupid blunder that played right into Brown's messaging, had no upside for Coakley and almost inevitably was going to spark outrage.

206 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:34:24am

re: #204 simoom

I'm sorry, I guess I get a little off your topic. So, you don't think it was intentional?

207 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:36:55am

re: #205 reine.de.tout

Good grief.
Just what those people need. Aid agencies squabbling.

It's sounding as though the UN wants to be given the credit for running things without actually...running anything. It's all about appearances with them.

208 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:38:15am

re: #199 Killgore Trout

She decided to pursue a more extreme ODS oriented agenda.

I see. Damn, that's too bad. I really enjoyed her photo work.

Oh well. Attitudes change.

209 webevintage  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:39:10am

re: #177 sattv4u2

Then all the more reason why it was stupid of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee to include the photo

Dumb + Dumb does not =smart

Man that was such a bad move.
How hard is it to point out that the guy teabaggers are supporting has no interest in going after Wall Street and big banks without doing something that might cause a last minute nontroversy?

210 McSpiff  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:39:38am

re: #202 Walter L. Newton

My point is made.

For weeks that's all we saw were those towers. We saw footage of them being constructed, we saw footage of life in the towers and we saw footage of them dying. While in no way comparable to how important they were to NYC, the media really made them apart of the global memory. I think anyone using an image of the tower should have their motives seriously examined. To me its about as equally likely as 'accidentally' using an image of 'Battleship Row'.

211 filetandrelease  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:40:38am

re: #209 webevintage

Exactly. The motive is illusive.

212 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:40:48am

re: #207 SixDegrees

It's sounding as though the UN wants to be given the credit for running things without actually...running anything. It's all about appearances with them.

If I recall correctly, this is similar to what happened after the tsunami.

The UN ordered medical staff 'evacuated" from a makeshift hospital last night, leaving patients unattended, some of whom had just been through surgery. It was obvious the employees did not want to leave but had to. They left Sanjay Gupta in charge of about 25 patients; other people were waiting for treatment, just left in the lurch.

213 filetandrelease  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:42:39am

The UN, showing the world what it is made off, again.

214 webevintage  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:42:39am

re: #212 reine.de.tout

They left Sanjay Gupta in charge of about 25 patients; other people were waiting for treatment, just left in the lurch.

Amazing story.
He and his crew took care of those people all night...

215 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:43:46am

re: #212 reine.de.tout

If I recall correctly, this is similar to what happened after the tsunami.

The UN ordered medical staff 'evacuated" from a makeshift hospital last night, leaving patients unattended, some of whom had just been through surgery. It was obvious the employees did not want to leave but had to. They left Sanjay Gupta in charge of about 25 patients; other people were waiting for treatment, just left in the lurch.



Here's the story.

216 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:45:46am

They can threaten all they want, and I'm sure they'll nail some unfortunates to the wall (literally), but they can't stop the technology. Proxy servers and throwaway phones, baby. Hell, the Soviets couldn't do a thing about samizdat publications and smuggled audiotapes.

217 McSpiff  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:46:00am

re: #212 reine.de.tout

If I recall correctly, this is similar to what happened after the tsunami.

The UN ordered medical staff 'evacuated" from a makeshift hospital last night, leaving patients unattended, some of whom had just been through surgery. It was obvious the employees did not want to leave but had to. They left Sanjay Gupta in charge of about 25 patients; other people were waiting for treatment, just left in the lurch.

Its important to note that the first rule of emergency response is 'Your safety first'. Dead or injured medical personel help no one. Same thing with life guarding, going into an accident scene or collapsed building. Many EMTs can tell stories about being able to see and hear someone without being able to safely reach them. Without being there, I can't comment on how threatened they felt, but I heard of horror stories long before the quake about Haitian gangs.

218 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:47:10am

re: #215 reine.de.tout


Here's the story.

From the story:

Port-au-Prince, Haiti (CNN) -- Earthquake victims, writhing in pain and grasping at life, watched doctors and nurses walk away from a field hospital Friday night after United Nations officials ordered a medical team to evacuate the area out of security concerns, CNN Chief Medical Correspondent Sanjay Gupta reported.

U.N. spokesman Martin Nesirky said Saturday that the world body's mission in Haiti did not order any medical team to leave the Port-au-Prince field hospital. If the team left, it was at the request of their own organizations, he told CNN.

Gupta assessed the needs of the 25 patients, but there was little he could do without supplies. And more people, some in critical condition, were trickling in.

Gupta monitored patients' vital signs, administered painkillers and continued intravenous drips. He stabilized three new patients in critical condition.

. . .


Retired Army Lt. Gen. Russel Honoré, who led relief efforts for Hurricane Katrina in 2005, said the evacuation of the clinic's medical staff was unforgivable.

"We can't be leaning so much toward security that we allow people to die," he said Saturday.

"Search and rescue must trump security," Honoré said Friday night. "I've never seen anything like this before in my life. They need to man up and get back in there."

Honoré drew parallels between the tragedy in New Orleans and in Port-au-Prince. But even in the chaos of Katrina, he said, he had never seen medical staff walk away.

"I find this astonishing these doctors left," he said. "People are scared of the poor."

219 ethics  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:47:56am

“1,736 WOMEN WERE RAPED IN MASSACHUSETTS IN 2008. SCOTT BROWN WANTS HOSPITALS TO TURN THEM ALL AWAY.”

[Link: theplumline.whorunsgov.com...]

220 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:48:32am

re: #210 McSpiff

For weeks that's all we saw were those towers. We saw footage of them being constructed, we saw footage of life in the towers and we saw footage of them dying. While in no way comparable to how important they were to NYC, the media really made them apart of the global memory. I think anyone using an image of the tower should have their motives seriously examined. To me its about as equally likely as 'accidentally' using an image of 'Battleship Row'.

The television show Fringe used an image of the towers in their season finale last year. The use was intentional, and deliberately evocative of 9/11. I don't think anyone had a problem with it.

I'm also having trouble seeing just what was so wrong about the use of the image in this case, other than it being blatantly stupid and misplaced in an ad whose central message targeted Wall Street, which is in an entirely different part of town.

What was the intended message here supposed to have been? What message were the Democrats trying to convey? All this does, as other have pointed out, is make them look like they're not paying attention. If the use of the WTC image was, in fact, intentional, I'm missing the point entirely.

221 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:48:40am

re: #217 McSpiff

Its important to note that the first rule of emergency response is 'Your safety first'. Dead or injured medical personel help no one. Same thing with life guarding, going into an accident scene or collapsed building. Many EMTs can tell stories about being able to see and hear someone without being able to safely reach them. Without being there, I can't comment on how threatened they felt, but I heard of horror stories long before the quake about Haitian gangs.

True. And being victims doesn't make people saints. Which is why an earthquake brings out the National Guard as well as the Red Cross. Both are needed.

222 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:48:43am

re: #217 McSpiff

Its important to note that the first rule of emergency response is 'Your safety first'. Dead or injured medical personel help no one. Same thing with life guarding, going into an accident scene or collapsed building. Many EMTs can tell stories about being able to see and hear someone without being able to safely reach them. Without being there, I can't comment on how threatened they felt, but I heard of horror stories long before the quake about Haitian gangs.

While there is some truth to what you say, the bottom line is that Sanjay Gupta was there with his crew all night long, and into the next morning, incident free.

I'm with Lt. Gen. Russell Honore on this one - people are afraid of the poor.

223 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:50:55am

re: #219 ethics

“1,736 WOMEN WERE RAPED IN MASSACHUSETTS IN 2008. SCOTT BROWN WANTS HOSPITALS TO TURN THEM ALL AWAY.”

[Link: theplumline.whorunsgov.com...]

I don't think the progressives put out this ad on purpose, it was probably some ad agency graphic artist not thinking straight.

Stop trying to blame the Democrats.

224 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:51:06am

GGGAAAAHHHHH!!!

My idiot neighbor just listed her house for sale

$9,000 BELOW comps!

225 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:52:21am

re: #224 sattv4u2

GGGAAAHHH!!!

My idiot neighbor just listed her house for sale

$9,000 BELOW comps!

There goes the neighborhood.

226 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:52:46am

re: #219 ethics

“1,736 WOMEN WERE RAPED IN MASSACHUSETTS IN 2008. SCOTT BROWN WANTS HOSPITALS TO TURN THEM ALL AWAY.”

[Link: theplumline.whorunsgov.com...]

Don't forget puppies and kids

From what I hear, Brown wants to kill all puppies and throw all orphans out into the wintery streets!

(or is that the other way around!?!?)

227 simoom  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:53:28am

re: #206 Walter L. Newton

I'm sorry, I guess I get a little off your topic. So, you don't think it was intentional?

No, I just can't imagine any political upside that would motivate Coakley, or in this case her supporters, to intentionally invoke terrorism and 9/11.

Democratic candidates always have to deal with a conventional wisdom that they are weaker w/ respect to national security and softer on terror than their Republican counterparts. Consequently they usually avoid dwelling on the topic in their advertising. It's also why it's usually the Democrats complaining about 9/11 imagery in Republican ads (for example President Bush's 2004 campaign ads showing ground zero or the 9/11 tribute video that opened the 2008 GOP convention), sure they find it in extremely poor taste, but they also know invoking terror is effective.

Also, based on my read of the campaign, attacking Coakley's competence on terrorism issues has been fertile ground for Brown, especially after Coakley's Afghanistan Al Qaeda/Taliban blunder during the final debate.

228 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:54:43am

re: #225 Walter L. Newton

btw ,, GREAT site if you ever want to "see" what market value is for your (or any) house

zillow.com

229 Buck  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:54:52am

re: #199 Killgore Trout

She decided to pursue a more extreme ODS oriented agenda.

And we think Zombie is a she because?

Although, when I tell my mother what we do know about Zombie (The book store, and other hints we got) she is sure that she knows her.

230 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:56:18am

re: #217 McSpiff

Its important to note that the first rule of emergency response is 'Your safety first'. Dead or injured medical personel help no one. Same thing with life guarding, going into an accident scene or collapsed building. Many EMTs can tell stories about being able to see and hear someone without being able to safely reach them. Without being there, I can't comment on how threatened they felt, but I heard of horror stories long before the quake about Haitian gangs.

I agree. However, from what I've heard this was a blanket UN decision to shut down all aid operations on the basis of gunfire. Other governments and agencies have adopted another policy: that of telling it's aid workers to use their own discretion and to act independently based on their own assessments of the situation.

I'm entirely content with the explanation that the UN is, collectively, a cowardly sack of shit, and that they do not compare well at all with most of the other organizations there who are actually rendering much-needed aid.

Let's also not forget that it's the UN which has been in charge of Haiti for the last several years, who are the de facto government whose logistical help in organizing and distributing aid with boots-on-the-ground knowledge of the situation ought to be indispensible, but seems wanting as they have to be dragged out from under their beds to help at all.

If and when an investigation into UN oversight of Haiti, and of it's role in aid distribution during this catastrophe are ever undertaken, my uninformed guess would be that they will make a pack of weasels gleam in comparison.

231 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:56:37am

re: #227 simoom

But of course, you don't know for sure, anymore than I do, right?

232 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 11:57:26am

re: #222 reine.de.tout

While there is some truth to what you say, the bottom line is that Sanjay Gupta was there with his crew all night long, and into the next morning, incident free.

I'm with Lt. Gen. Russell Honore on this one - people are afraid of the poor.

Reine, my initial reaction is to agree. But then, we don't know the details yet, do we? The reports are conflicting - who ordered the staff to leave? The UN? They're "own organizations"? (Would the UN lie to cover their ass? Would a bear shit in the woods?)

It takes a great deal to get caregivers to walk away from people in need of care. Goes against everything they've learned.

Maybe these people were "afraid of the poor" - as in poor, desperate, armed Haitian thugs coming to rob them or worse? Disasters bring out looters and scum, not just saints and victims.

I call the 48-hour rule on this story.

233 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 12:00:10pm

re: #229 Buck

And we think Zombie is a she because?

Although, when I tell my mother what we do know about Zombie (The book store, and other hints we got) she is sure that she knows her.

No reason. Zombie was almost obsessive about it's identity; people use whatever pronoun comes to hand. As seen here, the use of "it" isn't really satisfying, but "his" or "her" would be just as factually incorrect.

234 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 12:01:01pm

re: #232 Cato the Elder

Crap. I must PIMF. Repeat three times before posting.

"Their..."

235 simoom  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 12:01:46pm

re: #231 Walter L. Newton

But of course, you don't know for sure, anymore than I do, right?

I'll agree with that. Divining someone's motivations is a guessing game, and people sometimes decide to do totally irrational things.

236 Racer X  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 12:03:42pm

re: #219 ethics

“1,736 WOMEN WERE RAPED IN MASSACHUSETTS IN 2008. SCOTT BROWN WANTS HOSPITALS TO TURN THEM ALL AWAY.”

[Link: theplumline.whorunsgov.com...]

Thats just despicable.

237 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 12:04:26pm

re: #199 Killgore Trout

She decided to pursue a more extreme ODS oriented agenda.

And to wreck people's careers with anonymous smears.

238 McSpiff  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 12:07:16pm

re: #230 SixDegrees

I've actually discussed a somewhat similar situation with a loss prevention expert. He was working with a rather large home improvement chain, at least on a regional basis. Formerly their policy on staff attempting to stop or apprehend thieves or robbers was that they were under no circumstances to make any attempt to stop them. All they were to do was call the police. But people kept risking their lives, and getting assaulted over $200 power tools. So they had to chance the policy to any attempt to stop a theft or robbery resulted in immediate termination. Because some people are so selfless that they're willing to do the 'right thing'.

Change '$200 power tool' to '10 year old child' and what little sense of self preservation might have been present is now gone. Even when people objectively know that something isn't worth dying for (walking away allows them to treat patients tomorrow, as opposed to getting gun downed along with said child), many times they must be absolutely forced not to risk their lives.

We are much better off with cowardly and living doctors than brave but dead ones. And I have yet to see any evidence that what the UN is doing in Haiti goes against the accept standards and practises for aid distribution.

Its important to note, that at least in Canada, only members of the Canadian Forces can legally be ordered into life threatening situations. Not Police or EMTs and certainly not aid workers. So I take the Gen. comments with that in mind. The situation for those under his command is (I'm assuming) much different from that of the UN official in charge of relief hospitals.

239 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 12:19:07pm

re: #238 McSpiff

Although I generally agree, I will point out that the US Marines and other military forces are there, on the ground, awaiting instructions from those allegedly in charge - in this case, the UN. Hence the emerging squabbling. If the UN needs security forces, all it has to do is ask, and say where they need them deployed. Instead, they seem to be engaging in their usual hand-wringing and refusal to make actual decisions that they might be taken to task for later. The various military forces are, understandably, disgusted at such behavior, see the situation collapsing around them with every passing minute, and are attempting to assert control, only to have permission to do so withheld by a bunch of bedwetters.

Given the UN's past adventures in forced pedophilia over those they were supposed to be aiding, it's all too easy to go just a tiny step further and imagine that the UN's reluctance to cede control in this case may have something to do with an unwillingness to allow external authorities access to people the UN would really rather not have them talking to, as well.

Sorry, that is certainly an over-the-top portrayal of events I have little actual knowledge of. But it's grounded in past UN behavior, and what few facts are beginning to trickle out of Haiti dovetail with it all too easily. I really, really hope I'm wrong about these assumptions, but if the past is an indicator, reality may actually be even worse.

240 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 12:23:36pm

re: #232 Cato the Elder

Reine, my initial reaction is to agree. But then, we don't know the details yet, do we? The reports are conflicting - who ordered the staff to leave? The UN? They're "own organizations"? (Would the UN lie to cover their ass? Would a bear shit in the woods?)

It takes a great deal to get caregivers to walk away from people in need of care. Goes against everything they've learned.

Maybe these people were "afraid of the poor" - as in poor, desperate, armed Haitian thugs coming to rob them or worse? Disasters bring out looters and scum, not just saints and victims.

I call the 48-hour rule on this story.

Ah, yes, probably correct as to 48-hour rule on this story.
Sanjay Gupta was there as it played out and stayed there all night - he reported it was a UN mission and the UN ordered the people out. The UN says no, the orders came from the actual agencies the folks worked for. Much confusion, I'm sure. It was obvious the folks on the busses did not want to leave, but had no choice. What a mess.

241 McSpiff  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 12:32:28pm

re: #239 SixDegrees

Believe me, I've seen more first hand corruption from the UN than most people would believe. But, the second you start making accusations of pedophile towards an organization as large and as diverse as the UN, with the assumption that the UN is putting their own people at risk to avoid having the US Marines be near these pedophiles destroys any credibility you might have had. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and you've presented exactly none.

242 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 12:48:14pm

"Technology continues undermining totalitarianism" is a wonderful phrase.

I can't think of a more fitting end for the totalitarians who count on technology to control, maim and murder to be taken down by average citizens using cellphone cams and free social media tools.

Dictators beware. The web is now the people's nuclear bomb.

243 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 2:09:27pm

re: #223 Walter L. Newton

I don't think the progressives put out this ad on purpose, it was probably some ad agency graphic artist not thinking straight.

Stop trying to blame the Democrats.

Wish I could upding you more. I like your use of clever prose to drive your point home. The clarity and bite are both refreshing.

244 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 2:10:15pm

and now, it's off into the great blue wonder of the East Bay.

245 AK-47%  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 2:51:37pm

Lemme get back to a point that I put up very early in this thread (#11), that Iran is trying to maintain a medieval mindset while developing nuclear capability.

One thing that modern science has shown is that progress is dependent on the free exchange of ideas and information, any government that tries to keep a lid on it, as did Nazi Germany and the USSR, can make some impressive short-term gains but is cutting its own throat over the long term.

246 Fortitudine  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 6:28:51pm

re: #197 sattv4u2

22!?!?!?

I have things in my freezer older than you !!

I have dog tags older than that...

247 allah this  Sat, Jan 16, 2010 7:42:49pm

re: #27 MandyManners

Let's send ShortShit back in time to a job more suited for him.

Tyrantasy Island.


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