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American Family Association: Hitler Was Gay, That’s Why He Was So Evil

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It’s been a week overflowing with right wing xeno- and homo-phobia, and here’s an exceptional example posted at YouTube a few days ago, as the American Family Association’s Bryan Fischer expounds on his theory that Hitler and the Nazis were homosexuals (not the “effeminate” kind, but the special Third Reich kind apparently), and this was the factor that allowed them to be so savage and brutal. Yep, really.

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1 Taqyia2Me  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:17:45pm

Man's inhumanity to man continues apace.

2 efuseakay  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:19:52pm

And the mainstreaming of bigots continues.

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On a side not... some pretty bad news from the deep:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

So not only is the oil still gushing out... it's being mixed with the "drilling fluid".

F.U.B.A.R.

3 Areozol  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:20:27pm

Those guys are obviously exploiting the fact, that chief of Nazi militia, Sturmabtailungen (SA), Ernst Röhm was homosexual.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

4 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:21:14pm

The perpetual well of ignorance and stupidity that never runs dry.

5 Aceofwhat?  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:22:24pm

Wait, but teh ghey are leftists and the Nazis were righ...oh, dang, i'm not using my Little Orphan Annie Glen Beck Decoder Ring...there we go.

it all makes sense now!

*sob*

6 the yankee  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:22:38pm

I bet you $10 that this guy is going to turn out to be gay..

7 middy  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:22:48pm

I'd really like to see his sources.

8 Taqyia2Me  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:23:51pm

re: #7 middy

Take a piece of whole cloth...

9 cliffster  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:24:26pm

wow, this guy is a dick.

10 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:24:36pm

re: #7 middy

I'd really like to see his sources.

I'd like to see go up against Pat Condell...get his ass ripped good

11 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:24:53pm

I hear Hitler gave Mussolini a hummer in his sleep.

12 researchok  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:25:01pm

Lunatics. And psychos.

It seems we've got a bumper crop.

13 efuseakay  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:25:20pm

re: #6 the yankee

I bet you $10 that this guy is going to turn out to be gay..

Sorry... I don't like throwing my money away like that!

14 [deleted]  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:25:37pm
15 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:28:50pm

Martin Bormann, married to Gerda Buch.
Jospeh Goebbels, married to Magda Ritschel.
Hermann Göring, married to Emmy Sonnemann
Heinrich Himmler, married to Margarete Bode.
Adolf Hitler, married to Eva Braun.
Albert Speer, married to Margarete Weber.

16 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:29:41pm

Fischer also implied that he supports the execution/murder of people who fornicate:

Then he complained that the "left wing blogosphere" was distorting his words:

17 The Yankee  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:29:46pm

Texas kids are going to be learning that Nazis were actually gay Islamofascist leftest Iranians who where enforcing socialize medicine on Europe.

18 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:29:58pm

"they persecuted EFFEMINATE homosexuals"

So, Fischer thinks Ernst Röhm was effeminate? He may be sicker than we thought.

19 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:30:38pm

re: #17 The Yankee

Texas kids are going to be learning that Nazis were actually gay Islamofascist leftest Iranians who where enforcing socialize medicine on Europe.

It all stems from evolution, doncha' know.

20 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:31:10pm

re: #16 Charles

Fischer also implied that he supports the execution/murder of people who fornicate:

Did he kill his parents?

21 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:32:06pm

re: #20 darthstar

Did he kill his parents?

NO, no, no. Get your categories straight. Fischer is an asshole, not a bastard.

22 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:32:41pm

re: #21 Shiplord Kirel

NO, no, no. Get your categories straight. Fischer is an asshole, not a bastard.

Okay...well one would assume his parents fornicated at least once.

23 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:33:16pm

re: #16 Charles

Fischer also implied that he supports the execution/murder of people who fornicate:


[Video]

there is no such thing as sexual immorality...only criminal activity

24 Political Atheist  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:34:40pm

re: #16 Charles

Hey ummm OT but yeah I got the video thing to work. Cut and paste was cutting something off. Thanks Again!!

25 [deleted]  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:35:09pm
26 MandyManners  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:35:27pm

re: #16 Charles

Fischer also implied that he supports the execution/murder of people who fornicate:

[Video]

He needs to read John 8 again.

27 The Yankee  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:35:28pm

re: #19 Shiplord Kirel

It all stems from evolution, doncha' know.

Damn I knew I forgot something. Just so many new things about the 1930's version of the Nazis to keep track of.

28 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:36:06pm

re: #26 MandyManners

He needs to read John 8 again.

Do you really think he read it the first time?

29 MandyManners  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:36:38pm

re: #22 darthstar

Okay...well one would assume his parents fornicated at least once.

Married people don't fornicate.

30 MandyManners  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:37:06pm

re: #28 darthstar

Do you really think he read it the first time?

If he did, it didn't sink in.

31 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:37:29pm

re: #29 MandyManners

Married people don't fornicate.

Sure they do...everybody fucks.

32 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:37:36pm

re: #3 Areozol

Those guys are obviously exploiting the fact, that chief of Nazi militia, Sturmabtailungen (SA), Ernst Röhm was homosexual.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

While at the same time they ignore the fact that Hitler had Röhm executed, and then reduced the SA's power. This was done for two reasons:

1: To reassure the Army that it would remain the primary ground combat arm of Germany and that radical changes to its leadership would not happen.

2. To remove those Hitler felt disloyal and advance the SS, which Hitler trusted fully.

The advancement of the SS was ultimately to undermine the Army, which had made a devil's bargain supporting Hitler.

33 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:38:32pm

re: #31 darthstar

This is a matter of definitions. Formication is sex between two people who are not married.

34 cliffster  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:38:56pm

I wonder if Hitler would have had Lyle The Effeminate Heterosexual in his stormtrooper circle?

35 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:39:18pm

re: #29 MandyManners

Married people don't fornicate.


And who says his parents were married when he was conceived?

36 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:40:30pm

re: #35 darthstar

And who says his parents were married when he was conceived?

who's parents?....what are you talking about?

37 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:40:41pm

And I am not lurking. I am trying to come up with something insightful and interesting to say about Geli Raubal.

Unfortunately it appears she wasn't interesting.

Why did so many of the women around Hitler keep trying to kill themselves? She killed herself, and Eva Braun tried repeatedly to kill herself.

38 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:41:26pm

re: #29 MandyManners

Married people don't fornicate.

I have heard that too... a good reason to stay single if you ask me.

39 PAUL_MACDONALD  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:41:49pm

They are really running out of people to scapegoat, aren't they? I never thought I would see the right down there go from Reagan, Buckley and Goldwater to raving nutbars so rapidly.

It was only a few months after Buckley died that these fools began the task of mainstreaming their particular brand of hatred.

40 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:42:10pm

re: #37 EmmmieG

And I am not lurking. I am trying to come up with something insightful and interesting to say about Geli Raubal.

Unfortunately it appears she wasn't interesting.

Why did so many of the women around Hitler keep trying to kill themselves? She killed herself, and Eva Braun tried repeatedly to kill herself.

just dying to be close to the Fuhrer

41 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:42:37pm

re: #38 brookly red

I have heard that too... a good reason to stay single if you ask me.

heh...good one

42 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:42:54pm

re: #40 albusteve

just dying to be close to the Fuhrer

Haha. Probably that dark cloud of evil was overwhelming.

43 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:43:30pm

re: #31 darthstar

Sure they do...everybody fucks.

Sex within the confines of marriage is not considered fornication.

44 MandyManners  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:44:26pm

re: #31 darthstar

Sure they do...everybody fucks.

They're not synonyms.

45 MandyManners  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:44:37pm

re: #31 darthstar

Sure they do...everybody fucks.

And, that's not true.

46 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:45:36pm

Speaking of xenophobia...

I was doing some indexing on the 1910 census. We really are a nation of immigrants, aren't we?

Just about every other entry, either the person was from out of the country, or more likely, their parents were.

47 MandyManners  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:45:59pm

re: #35 darthstar

And who says his parents were married when he was conceived?

The first baby can come at any time but, all others take nine months.

48 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:46:14pm

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

Sex within the confines of marriage is not considered fornication.

I know, I know...but I still like the word...why should it be restricted to single people.

49 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:46:22pm

re: #15 Gus 802

Martin Bormann, married to Gerda Buch.
Jospeh Goebbels, married to Magda Ritschel.
Hermann Göring, married to Emmy Sonnemann
Heinrich Himmler, married to Margarete Bode.
Adolf Hitler, married to Eva Braun.
Albert Speer, married to Margarete Weber.

Beards, the lot of them.

50 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:46:25pm

re: #47 MandyManners

The first baby can come at any time but, all others take nine months.

Unless you are in a muslim country, in which case the baby can take up to 3 years.

51 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:46:55pm

re: #46 EmmmieG

Speaking of xenophobia...

I was doing some indexing on the 1910 census. We really are a nation of immigrants, aren't we?

Just about every other entry, either the person was from out of the country, or more likely, their parents were.

Yea... legal immigrants.

52 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:47:42pm

re: #39 PAUL_MACDONALD

They are really running out of people to scapegoat, aren't they? I never thought I would see the right down there go from Reagan, Buckley and Goldwater to raving nutbars so rapidly.

It was only a few months after Buckley died that these fools began the task of mainstreaming their particular brand of hatred.

Buckley was the major barrier for them. As long as he was alive, he had the respect of enough people to read nuts out of the right and consign them to the fringe. Conservatism has no one today of similar stature.

53 MandyManners  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:47:42pm

re: #50 EmmmieG

Unless you are in a muslim country, in which case the baby can take up to 3 years.

?

54 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:47:45pm

re: #48 darthstar

Cool use of language should trump small-mindedness imo :D

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:47:46pm

re: #18 Shiplord Kirel

"they persecuted EFFEMINATE homosexuals"

So, Fischer thinks Ernst Röhm was effeminate? He may be sicker than we thought.

No, no, Rohm was the other kind, the brutal Nazi kind.

Then, the Nazis persecuted the singing, fabulous kind.

Keep up!

56 Aceofwhat?  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:48:00pm

argh, the golf talk from a few threads ago has me feeling itchy. going to the driving range...bbl...

57 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:48:30pm

re: #54 windsagio

err should add, not calling anyone on here smallminded, but it is funny that we have to set aside particular terms for sex for demonification.

58 steve-b  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:48:47pm

More George Rekers research?

59 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:48:54pm

re: #51 Walter L. Newton

Yea... legal immigrants.

Yes. Although, there was a time when there as no legal and no illegal. There were not really laws, whatever the cartoons like to say about the Pilgrims being illegal immigrants.

60 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:49:02pm

re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist

Gives one a new view of 'Springtime for Hitler', doesn't it?

61 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:49:15pm

re: #57 windsagio

err should add, not calling anyone on here smallminded, but it is funny that we have to set aside particular terms for sex for demonification.

demonification?...whoa nellie

62 Mich-again  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:49:18pm

re: #31 darthstar

You need to look up that word because you apparently don't know what it means.

63 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:49:28pm

re: #48 darthstar

I know, I know...but I still like the word...why should it be restricted to single people.

Because that's its definition. I don't like distorting words so that their original meaning is lost.

64 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:49:44pm

re: #61 albusteve

Its a hell of a word!

65 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:49:56pm

re: #63 Dark_Falcon

Definition.

66 Batman  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:50:05pm

Being gay only makes you want to kill people if you're being repressed and ostracized for it. And even then it usually just leads to suicide.

67 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:50:19pm

re: #59 EmmmieG

Yes. Although, there was a time when there as no legal and no illegal. There were not really laws, whatever the cartoons like to say about the Pilgrims being illegal immigrants.

/there are those who say we should have learned from the Indians...

68 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:50:27pm

re: #59 EmmmieG

Yes. Although, there was a time when there as no legal and no illegal. There were not really laws, whatever the cartoons like to say about the Pilgrims being illegal immigrants.

But that time is all gone now... and it's not fantasy land anymore, and there are now laws, and legal reasons, and security factors and all those little annoying things that gets in the way of "can't we all get along"

Tough.

69 b_sharp  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:50:36pm

re: #51 Walter L. Newton

Yea... legal immigrants.

Back then, wasn't everybody legal?

70 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:51:02pm

re: #53 MandyManners

?

In some muslim countries (I'm too lazy to look up which ones) a baby born up to three years after the death of a husband or a divorce is considered to be the child of the man.

It's their way around needing to stone the woman.

71 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:51:18pm

re: #69 b_sharp

Back then, wasn't everybody legal?

Back when?

72 PAUL_MACDONALD  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:51:53pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

Buckley was the major barrier for them. As long as he was alive, he had the respect of enough people to read nuts out of the right and consign them to the fringe. Conservatism has no one today of similar stature.

He was, essentially, the finger in the dike. That so much hatred could be confounded by one man certainly is a testament to him. That they didn't go away speaks to the facade of what the right was when he lived.

My US friends were like "yeah, but that stuff is the public face, you don't want to know the real deal." when Buckley was alive. I didn't think it could be as bad as they said, but it clearly is.

73 Stanghazi  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:51:55pm

re: #71 Walter L. Newton

Back when?

When the phrase on the Statue of Liberty meant something.

74 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:52:08pm

re: #70 EmmmieG

I think that has less to do with islam per se, more to do with the cultures in question... Along with the (correct me if I remember wrong) Old testament thing of brothers fathering kids that 'belong' to the dead elder brother.

75 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:52:16pm

re: #53 MandyManners

?

There's a Muslim legal teaching that holds that a pregnancy can last up to three years.

Probably to prevent too much trouble when men came back from long trips to find a new baby at home.

76 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:52:17pm

re: #71 Walter L. Newton

Back when?

In 1910 there were laws.

I'm just saying that the idea of a culturally homogenous nation isn't exactly true.

77 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:52:17pm

re: #71 Walter L. Newton

Back when?

back in the days when the Bering Straights was the first interstate

78 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:52:23pm

re: #73 Stanley Sea

Ba-zing!

79 b_sharp  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:52:37pm

re: #71 Walter L. Newton

Back when?

1910.

80 pharmmajor  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:52:51pm

Would it be wrong to beat these morons across the head with a frozen turkey?

81 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:53:23pm

re: #73 Stanley Sea

When the phrase on the Statue of Liberty meant something.

you believe we should have unrestricted immigration in terms of numbers?

82 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:53:33pm

re: #80 pharmmajor

Would it be wrong to beat these morons across the head with a frozen turkey?

What did the turkey do?

83 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:53:35pm

re: #69 b_sharp

Back then, wasn't everybody legal?

From 1880 to 1924, over 25 million Europeans migrated to the United States.[65] Following this time period, immigration fell because in 1924 Congress passed the Immigration Act of 1924, which favored immigrant source countries that already had many immigrants in the U.S. by 1890.[69]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Up to 1924... still, the fact is it was organized, government sanctioned immigration.

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:54:14pm

re: #74 windsagio

I think that has less to do with islam per se, more to do with the cultures in question... Along with the (correct me if I remember wrong) Old testament thing of brothers fathering kids that 'belong' to the dead elder brother.

Levirate marriage.

85 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:54:22pm

re: #76 EmmmieG

In 1910 there were laws.

I'm just saying that the idea of a culturally homogenous nation isn't exactly true.

not even the good old KSA?

86 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:54:39pm

re: #73 Stanley Sea

When the phrase on the Statue of Liberty meant something.

Right... when it was legal... right?

87 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:54:41pm

BBIAB

88 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:55:02pm

re: #85 albusteve

not even the good old KSA?

The what?

89 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:55:06pm

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

Levirate marriage.

Thanks, I was concerned I had hallucinated the whole thing :D

90 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:55:49pm

re: #88 EmmmieG

The what?

Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

91 Red Pencil  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:55:50pm

re: #51 Walter L. Newton

Yea... legal immigrants.

There were more "legal" immigrants in 1910 because (a) prior to 1926 laws the law ALLOWED more legal immigrants, at least from Europe; and (b) no one looked too closely at whether anyone had broken laws in the process of leaving their place of origin. (Which even then was a no no for "legal" immigrants, if you were going to get technical.) The often ridiculous laws of parts of Europe, for example Tsarist Russia which then included most of Poland, forbad emigration without various permissions which were next to impossible to obtain, so many people left without.

Our turn of the century immigrant ancestors (mine for sure!) were very often "legal" not because they waited 15 years and filled out all the right paperwork, but because the laws were a lot looser then.

92 MandyManners  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:55:57pm

re: #70 EmmmieG

In some muslim countries (I'm too lazy to look up which ones) a baby born up to three years after the death of a husband or a divorce is considered to be the child of the man.

It's their way around needing to stone the woman.

Nifty.

93 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:56:05pm

re: #77 albusteve

back in the days when the Bering Straights was the first interstate

/I can drive to Russia from my house?

94 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:56:48pm

re: #90 albusteve

Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

I was only talking about this country. There are culturally homogenous countries, especially when the penalty for being heterogenous is nasty.

95 b_sharp  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:56:52pm

re: #83 Walter L. Newton

From 1880 to 1924, over 25 million Europeans migrated to the United States.[65] Following this time period, immigration fell because in 1924 Congress passed the Immigration Act of 1924, which favored immigrant source countries that already had many immigrants in the U.S. by 1890.[69]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Up to 1924... still, the fact is it was organized, government sanctioned immigration.

During that time Canada was handing out farm land to all immigrants from Europe and the US, whether that land was part of Treaty grants or not.

96 Stanghazi  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:56:59pm

re: #86 Walter L. Newton

Right... when it was legal... right?

They were welcomed, and it was very easy.

97 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:57:07pm

re: #93 brookly red

/I can drive to Russia from my house?

yes, so could Fred Flintstone
yabba dabba do!

98 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:57:08pm

re: #89 windsagio

Thanks, I was concerned I had hallucinated the whole thing :D

Nope. It's real. Halitza too! Which is the ritual in which the brother can refuse to marry the widow, and then the widow publicly shames him, and THEN they can marry whoever they want.

Tons of fun with marriage law!

99 MandyManners  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:57:31pm

re: #75 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a Muslim legal teaching that holds that a pregnancy can last up to three years.

Probably to prevent too much trouble when men came back from long trips to find a new baby at home.

Convenient.

100 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:57:56pm

re: #94 EmmmieG

Its not limited to what we used to call the second or third world either. Japan occasionally comes out with some nasty stories about what happens to people who are 'too different'

101 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:59:04pm

re: #91 Red Pencil

There were more "legal" immigrants in 1910 because (a) prior to 1926 laws the law ALLOWED more legal immigrants, at least from Europe; and (b) no one looked too closely at whether anyone had broken laws in the process of leaving their place of origin. (Which even then was a no no for "legal" immigrants, if you were going to get technical.) The often ridiculous laws of parts of Europe, for example Tsarist Russia which then included most of Poland, forbad emigration without various permissions which were next to impossible to obtain, so many people left without.

Our turn of the century immigrant ancestors (mine for sure!) were very often "legal" not because they waited 15 years and filled out all the right paperwork, but because the laws were a lot looser then.

Who's disagreeing with you? Like I said above, in simpler language "Up to 1924... still, the fact is it was organized, government sanctioned immigration." I've never had a problem with legal immigration.

102 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 27, 2010 2:59:18pm

re: #99 MandyManners

Convenient.

More convenient than breaking up a good marriage over some hanky-panky while the husband is travelling, I suppose.

There are some equivalents in Italian medical texts from the Renaissance. You don't want to have a crisis you can avoid.

103 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:00:04pm

OT: BTW I guess I need to apologize for being so damn cranky last night, I was stressed out, still not a legitimate reason for taking it out on the people here, sorry. :(

Mom had surgery on her right shoulder first thing this morning, for a compressed nerve and reduced blood flow to her right arm. I am already a "full time home healthcare aide" for Dad, the idea of Mom being laid up too has had me kinda freaked out.

Anyway the surgery apparently went very well according to the doctor but we will not know for at least 48 hours (and as long as three weeks) if she regains any more function in her right arm. Repeated cortisone shots didn't help, so relieving it by surgery was the only possible solution.

If your a praying sort please include Moms rapid recovery in your missives, if not at least wish me luck. I am now the only driver along with doing all the cooking cleaning, dish washing, laundry, shopping, and pretty much everything else.

104 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:01:34pm

re: #102 SanFranciscoZionist

Its amazing how cultures find good excuses to avoid 'inconvenient truths' >>

105 researchok  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:01:54pm

re: #103 ausador

OT: BTW I guess I need to apologize for being so damn cranky last night, I was stressed out, still not a legitimate reason for taking it out on the people here, sorry. :(

Mom had surgery on her right shoulder first thing this morning, for a compressed nerve and reduced blood flow to her right arm. I am already a "full time home healthcare aide" for Dad, the idea of Mom being laid up too has had me kinda freaked out.

Anyway the surgery apparently went very well according to the doctor but we will not know for at least 48 hours (and as long as three weeks) if she regains any more function in her right arm. Repeated cortisone shots didn't help, so relieving it by surgery was the only possible solution.

If your a praying sort please include Moms rapid recovery in your missives, if not at least wish me luck. I am now the only driver along with doing all the cooking cleaning, dish washing, laundry, shopping, and pretty much everything else.

Your mom and dad raised one fine kid.

Hardballing the prayers.

106 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:01:57pm

re: #103 ausador

OT: BTW I guess I need to apologize for being so damn cranky last night, I was stressed out, still not a legitimate reason for taking it out on the people here, sorry. :(

Mom had surgery on her right shoulder first thing this morning, for a compressed nerve and reduced blood flow to her right arm. I am already a "full time home healthcare aide" for Dad, the idea of Mom being laid up too has had me kinda freaked out.

Anyway the surgery apparently went very well according to the doctor but we will not know for at least 48 hours (and as long as three weeks) if she regains any more function in her right arm. Repeated cortisone shots didn't help, so relieving it by surgery was the only possible solution.

If your a praying sort please include Moms rapid recovery in your missives, if not at least wish me luck. I am now the only driver along with doing all the cooking cleaning, dish washing, laundry, shopping, and pretty much everything else.

Prayers of course, and the best of luck. I am so sorry this happened, and relieved that the surgery went well.

107 goddamnedfrank  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:02:12pm

Apparently some people have been ignoring the first two rules of gay nazi fight club ...

108 MandyManners  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:04:06pm

Time to hit the ball park.

109 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:05:30pm

re: #107 goddamnedfrank

Apparently some people have been ignoring the first two rules of gay nazi fight club ...

I won't ask...

110 tradewind  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:05:39pm

re: #68 Walter L. Newton
Just a drive-by... look, Walter! Hurley and Ben, post-finale.
[Link: www.tv.com...]

111 brookly red  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:06:11pm

re: #108 MandyManners

Time to hit the ball park.

I will spare you the obvious...

112 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:06:24pm

re: #108 MandyManners

Time to hit the ball park.

you learn to love it

113 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:07:58pm

re: #110 tradewind

Just a drive-by... look, Walter! Hurley and Ben, post-finale.
[Link: www.tv.com...]

Thanks... saw this already last night, I think...

114 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:08:19pm

the puke out in Nevada went down....I'll pull the switch myself
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

115 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:08:46pm

Top Kill mud injection in the Gulf temporarily suspended.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

116 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:12:08pm

re: #103 ausador

OT: BTW I guess I need to apologize for being so damn cranky last night, I was stressed out, still not a legitimate reason for taking it out on the people here, sorry. :(

Mom had surgery on her right shoulder first thing this morning, for a compressed nerve and reduced blood flow to her right arm. I am already a "full time home healthcare aide" for Dad, the idea of Mom being laid up too has had me kinda freaked out.

Anyway the surgery apparently went very well according to the doctor but we will not know for at least 48 hours (and as long as three weeks) if she regains any more function in her right arm. Repeated cortisone shots didn't help, so relieving it by surgery was the only possible solution.

If your a praying sort please include Moms rapid recovery in your missives, if not at least wish me luck. I am now the only driver along with doing all the cooking cleaning, dish washing, laundry, shopping, and pretty much everything else.

That's a big burden for one person. Prayers, of course, for your Mom and also for strength for you.

117 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:13:59pm

racism in Mass....fuckers are out of control

The measure, which passed on a 28-10 vote as an amendment to the budget, would bar the state from doing business with any company found to break federal laws barring illegal immigrant hiring. It would also toughen penalties for creating or using fake identification documents, and explicitly deny in-state college tuition for illegal immigrants.

[Link: www.boston.com...]

118 Varek Raith  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:15:23pm

re: #115 darthstar

Top Kill mud injection in the Gulf temporarily suspended.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Don't panic.

.
.
.

Right???

119 Yashmak  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:16:23pm

Perhaps this explains why the Nazis were so eager to conquer France. Nothing to do with Lebensraum afterall. It was all about the fashion.

Man oh man, the idiocy astounds.

120 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:16:52pm

re: #118 Varek Raith

Don't panic.

.
.
.

Right???

They say they need to do some 'tweaking'...there was too much drilling fluid coming out of the top of the well. They're also getting another 15,000 barrels of mud ready to pump down there...and considering adding a junk shot at the same time...in other words, they're crossing their fingers just like we are.

121 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:16:56pm

Democrats had resisted such a sweeping proposal, but spent last evening negotiating today’s measure, shortly after a new polled showed 84 percent of the liberal-leaning state’s voters supported tough immigration rules barring state services to illegal immigrants.

[Link: www.boston.com...]


whoops, that can't be right...the Globe is all fucked up

122 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:17:42pm

Obnoxious.

123 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:17:58pm

re: #117 albusteve

racism in Mass...fuckers are out of control

The measure, which passed on a 28-10 vote as an amendment to the budget, would bar the state from doing business with any company found to break federal laws barring illegal immigrant hiring. It would also toughen penalties for creating or using fake identification documents, and explicitly deny in-state college tuition for illegal immigrants.

[Link: www.boston.com...]

That's a little bit different from asking for a birth certificate if you look foreign.

124 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:18:03pm

re: #122 Gus 802

Obnoxious.

Spot on Steve.

125 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:18:04pm

re: #118 Varek Raith

Don't panic.

.
.
.

Right???

why would anybody trust the Times?....they are totally unreliable

126 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:19:12pm

re: #125 albusteve

why would anybody trust the Times?...they are totally unreliable

Well, the cocksuckers from BP said the same thing in the live news conference, so maybe the NY Times was simply reporting the facts.

127 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:19:18pm

re: #123 darthstar

That's a little bit different from asking for a birth certificate if you look foreign.

what are you talking about....can you be more specific?

128 Gus  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:19:59pm

re: #124 Walter L. Newton

Spot on Steve.

Spot on what Walter? Just because one opposes the Arizona law doesn't mean they're against cracking down on legals the right way and within reason.

129 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:20:04pm

re: #127 albusteve

what are you talking about...can you be more specific?

If I thought it would do any good, sure. But you're on a roll...keep going, you're doing great!

130 Reginald Perrin  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:20:10pm

TV reporter attempts to show how easy it is to break into a car and he only needed 7 takes to get it right.

Epic Fail:

131 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:20:23pm

Gee, I dunno, if I was a narzi I wouldn't be happy to have my heroes being slurred in this fashion...

132 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:20:31pm

re: #126 darthstar

Well, the cocksuckers from BP said the same thing in the live news conference, so maybe the NY Times was simply reporting the facts.

cocksuckers?....when are you gonna drop this new adventure into crass?...you seem absorbed with sex terms

133 Varek Raith  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:21:20pm

re: #132 albusteve

cocksuckers?...when are you gonna drop this new adventure into crass?...you seem absorbed with sex terms

It's not his fault. Too much AFA and FRC articles has an affect on ya!
:)

134 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:21:28pm

re: #129 darthstar

If I thought it would do any good, sure. But you're on a roll...keep going, you're doing great!

what roll?...wtf are you talking about?

135 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:22:55pm

re: #134 albusteve

what roll?...wtf are you talking about?


here

136 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:24:11pm

re: #135 darthstar

here

just talk in plain English...speak your piece

137 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:25:55pm

re: #136 albusteve

just talk in plain English...speak your piece

You equated the legislation regarding state contracts with companies that hire undocumented workers in Massachusettes with racism. I think a shiny object is more than sufficient in reply to that.

138 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:25:57pm

Obama reaffirmed his oppposition to the law, saying it's the wrong approach.

no hint yet what the 'right approach' is....checking the wind here

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

139 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:26:42pm

re: #137 darthstar

You equated the legislation regarding state contracts with companies that hire undocumented workers in Massachusettes with racism. I think a shiny object is more than sufficient in reply to that.

I think you are a dope....whadya say now?

140 Varek Raith  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:27:19pm

re: #139 albusteve

I think you are a dope...whadya say now?

Pizza, man, pizza.

141 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:27:58pm

re: #131 Spare O'Lake

Gee, I dunno, if I was a narzi I wouldn't be happy to have my heroes being slurred in this fashion...

Could this be a wedge issue between the extreme religious right and the narzis?
Uh...ummm...never mind.

142 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:28:02pm

re: #139 albusteve

I think you are a dope...whadya say now?

Nobody's called me a dope before (seriously). Updinged for originality.

143 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:29:39pm

re: #123 darthstar

The irony is that that's exactly what we should be doing (going after the employers), as compared to nativist posturing.

Its funny that he picked that as an example >>

144 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:29:45pm

re: #142 darthstar

Nobody's called me a dope before (seriously). Updinged for originality.

your absurd notion that brown people will be dragged off the streets in AZ, for no particular reason, and asked for a birth cert is naive, baseless and just dopey....hence you are a dope...grow up

145 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:29:50pm

re: #142 darthstar

Dope!

/may I have one please?

146 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:30:17pm

re: #140 Varek Raith

Pizza, man, pizza.

I didn't know you were a pizza man.
In fact I didn't even know you were a pizza, man.

147 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:30:17pm

re: #143 windsagio

The irony is that that's exactly what we should be doing (going after the employers), as compared to nativist posturing.

Its funny that he picked that as an example >>

hilarious in fact!

148 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:30:55pm

re: #147 albusteve

I'll pick up for darthstar, since he's too nice by half.

Methinks you doth protest too much about anti-mexican racism in the Southwest.

149 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:31:17pm

re: #145 windsagio

Dope!

/may I have one please?

you can even BE one if you want!

150 Varek Raith  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:31:54pm

re: #146 Spare O'Lake

I didn't know you were a pizza man.
In fact I didn't even know you were a pizza, man.

I'm Pizza the Hut.
Big whoop.
Wanna fight about it?!?!
/

151 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:32:20pm

re: #148 windsagio

I'll pick up for darthstar, since he's too nice by half.

Methinks you doth protest too much about anti-mexican racism in the Southwest.

Of course, you live right smack in the middle of it and know better?

152 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:32:43pm

re: #148 windsagio

I'll pick up for darthstar, since he's too nice by half.

Methinks you doth protest too much about anti-mexican racism in the Southwest.

Well, I was about to say something similar, but you did it better than I would have, and without the use of profanity... ;)

153 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:33:03pm

re: #148 windsagio

I'll pick up for darthstar, since he's too nice by half.

Methinks you doth protest too much about anti-mexican racism in the Southwest.

I have not considered racism at all except in response to all you racist baiters...it's not about racism at all, but don't let me pop your idealistic, knee jerk balloon

154 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:33:44pm
155 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:33:57pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

Of course, you live right smack in the middle of it and know better?

children that have sat on their asses in front of a PC monitor half their lives

156 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:34:10pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

Weirdly enough we just had someone at my work lose their job because their green card ran out, or they were just outright illegal (details are vague, employee privacy, etc).

157 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:34:16pm

re: #142 darthstar

re: #145 windsagio

Dope!

/may I have one please?

No dope deals allowed here!

158 Varek Raith  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:35:19pm

re: #157 Spare O'Lake

re: #145 windsagio

No dope deals allowed here!

NARK!!!

159 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:35:21pm

So Walter, having picked your side for the night, are you gonna stick it out, or waffle? ;)

160 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:35:25pm

re: #156 windsagio

Weirdly enough we just had someone at my work lose their job because their green card ran out, or they were just outright illegal (details are vague, employee privacy, etc).

Oh my goodness gracious... you poor thing... did you see it happen? I hope you weren't traumatized. Are you ok... do you need some therapy... how about a hug?

161 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:36:13pm

re: #159 windsagio

So Walter, having picked your side for the night, are you gonna stick it out, or waffle? ;)

I have to go to a senior graduation awards event in an hour or so... I'm just taking pot shots at the easy targets.

162 Varek Raith  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:36:18pm

re: #160 Walter L. Newton

Oh my goodness gracious... you poor thing... did you see it happen? I hope you weren't traumatized. Are you ok... do you need some therapy... how about a hug?

Walter, v.Sissy.
:)

163 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:36:19pm

re: #160 Walter L. Newton

Oh my goodness gracious... you poor thing... did you see it happen? I hope you weren't traumatized. Are you ok... do you need some therapy... how about a hug?

Man I know how this goes~!

First thing, its emotional support and a shoulder to lean on, next thing you know its 6 am, and you're wallowing in regret!

164 Stanghazi  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:36:37pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

Of course, you live right smack in the middle of it and know better?

I do!

165 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:36:44pm

re: #160 Walter L. Newton

Oh my goodness gracious... you poor thing... did you see it happen? I hope you weren't traumatized. Are you ok... do you need some therapy... how about a hug?

heh...ahahaha!

166 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:37:17pm

re: #163 windsagio

Man I know how this goes~!

First thing, its emotional support and a shoulder to lean on, next thing you know its 6 am, and you're wallowing in regret!

Is that what it is... I just thought it was dried up jizz.

167 Varek Raith  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:37:45pm

Lol.

168 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:38:15pm

re: #161 Walter L. Newton

I have to go to a senior graduation awards event in an hour or so... I'm just taking pot shots at the easy targets.

I can just see you and your Wrist Rocket...
Image: daisy-slingshot-b52.jpg

169 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:38:45pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

Of course, you live right smack in the middle of it and know better?


heh, I actually got in a 3 hour long bar conversation with a nice couple (at the Spints Alehouse in SE, for you Portlanders) who had just moved to Portland from Arizona, and boy, they had a lot to say about racism in Arizona. Talked the politics of white retirees selling their homes in more expensive parts of the country, moving to Arizona where land is plentiful and the weather agrees with them, and creating an increasingly hostile political and nativist environment on all fronts for the latinos (legal and illegal) living there.

Just an anecdote! This made me think of it.

170 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:38:59pm

re: #152 darthstar

Well, I was about to say something similar, but you did it better than I would have, and without the use of profanity... ;)

You know your argument really sucks when windbag says it better.

171 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:39:36pm

Chillier in here than usual!

172 Varek Raith  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:39:54pm

re: #168 albusteve

I can just see you and your Wrist Rocket...
Image: daisy-slingshot-b52.jpg

In Boy Scouts we filled up water balloons with gas and fired em at the camp fire with slingshots.

Then we got to play with shotguns.

173 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:40:24pm

re: #172 Varek Raith

In Boy Scouts we filled up water balloons with gas and fired em at the camp fire with slingshots.

Then we got to play with shotguns.

shotguns!
2 pts

174 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:40:29pm

re: #171 WindUpBird

Its my superpower >>

175 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:40:56pm

re: #171 WindUpBird

Chillier in here than usual!

below zero stupid

176 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:44:12pm

re: #103 ausador

Best wishes for your mother's speedy recovery.

177 Varek Raith  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:45:12pm

Did LGF go down for anyone else???
Weird.

178 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:45:29pm

re: #177 Varek Raith

Did LGF go down for anyone else???
Weird.

yeah, it hung for me too

179 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:45:42pm

re: #177 Varek Raith

I got distracted, wondered why there were no posts while I was looking away. That would explain it tho' >>

180 Bagua  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:46:01pm

I felt nothing.

181 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:46:07pm

Of course the wingnutosphere is totally misrepresenting history here.

Of course, there was a large homoerotic component to Nazism. Just look at any fetish site.

But Hitler was a prunish prude in all things that didn't serve to magnify his power. Hell, he was a vegetarian. Are the wingnuts going to go after vegans next?

From my posts on a previous thread:

A large number of the leaders and the rank-and-file members of the SA were militant gays, including Erich Röhm, the top guy.

Wiki:

Another hindrance was the more or less open homosexuality of Röhm and other SA leaders such as his deputy Edmund Heines. [4][5] In 1931, the Münchener Post, a Social Democratic newspaper, obtained and published Röhm's letters to a friend in which Röhm discussed his sexual affairs with men. This resulted in a national scandal.

But this was not a mark in their favor with Hitler. In fact, it was one of the main reasons for the Night of the Long Knives.

Hitler used the SA for their street muscle, until he achieved absolute power and the various scandals surrounding them became a liability. Then he ruthlessly slaughtered them and replaced them with the SS, who were even more muscly and kept their sexual proclivities to themselves.

There is a horrific, bloody scene depicting the Night of the Long Knives in Visconti's highly disturbing movie "The Damned".

182 Varek Raith  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:46:29pm

re: #180 Bagua

I felt nothing.

That's what she said!
/easy targets are easy!
//

183 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:46:47pm

re: #180 Bagua

I felt nothing.

Are you watching that live feed right now
They've got the robot arms doing - something -

184 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:46:58pm

re: #177 Varek Raith

Did LGF go down for anyone else???
Weird.

mwahahahaha!

185 Varek Raith  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:47:22pm

re: #184 albusteve

mwahahahaha!

You want get away with that!

186 Varek Raith  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:47:46pm

re: #185 Varek Raith

You want get away with that!

want should be won't

Failedy fail fail!

:P

187 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:47:48pm

re: #181 Cato the Elder

I think the the link with nazism and fetishism is more of an aftereffect, than a cause.

Looking back, they're seen as so evil that they'd do anything. No perversion is too severe!

188 albusteve  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:47:56pm

re: #185 Varek Raith

You want get away with that!

yes I want

189 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:48:12pm

re: #183 reine.de.tout

Are you watching that live feed right now
They've got the robot arms doing - something -

MANTRID ARMS!!1 We're doomed!!

190 Varek Raith  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:48:48pm

re: #188 albusteve

yes I want

Blast my poor spelling!
You got away.

191 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:49:23pm

re: #187 windsagio

I think the the link with nazism and fetishism is more of an aftereffect, than a cause.

Looking back, they're seen as so evil that they'd do anything. No perversion is too severe!

"You're lucky I don't kill you after what you pulled in Berlin!" :D

192 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:49:37pm

re: #183 reine.de.tout

Are you watching that live feed right now
They've got the robot arms doing - something -

Jerking off (I couldn't help myself).

193 Varek Raith  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:49:37pm

BP restarted the top kill.

194 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:50:25pm

re: #192 Walter L. Newton

Jerking off (I couldn't help myself).

*snort*
Walter.
Really, now.

195 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:51:17pm

re: #193 Varek Raith

BP restarted the top kill.

They just showed that robot doing all sorts of things, fiddling with knobs and gauges, etc.

I was thinking it looked like something important was happening.
And, it was!

196 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:51:47pm

re: #192 Walter L. Newton

Jerking off (I couldn't help myself).

Robophilia!

197 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:51:48pm

re: #187 windsagio

I think the the link with nazism and fetishism is more of an aftereffect, than a cause.

Looking back, they're seen as so evil that they'd do anything. No perversion is too severe!

Wrong.

The military-sexual fetish was very strong with these ones, from the beginning.

But of course, military fetishism is not limited to gay people. Why, I know a few posters here who might qualify. Including myself, if I listen to my libtard gun-hatin' friends.

198 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:52:21pm

re: #181 Cato the Elder

Interesting, thanks for the info.
I always find stereotypes laughable...including the stereotypical bitchy and effeminate homosexual male.
This talk of violent, murderous Nazi homosexuals is a fascinating counterpoint.

199 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:52:45pm

re: #197 Cato the Elder

If you can state that so absolutely you can show me info, right? The idea is interesting and I hadn't heard it told that way before.

200 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:52:51pm

re: #180 Bagua

I felt nothing.

You must have been sleeping. /

201 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:54:07pm

re: #197 Cato the Elder

Wrong.

The military-sexual fetish was very strong with these ones, from the beginning.

But of course, military fetishism is not limited to gay people. Why, I know a few posters here who might qualify. Including myself, if I listen to my libtard gun-hatin' friends.

I know a couple people who are into the fascist uniform thing (and they're straight, hah). I never found guns or military uniforms or military hardware sexy.

The hardware at car shows, however...

202 wrenchwench  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:54:15pm

re: #169 WindUpBird

heh, I actually got in a 3 hour long bar conversation with a nice couple (at the Spints Alehouse in SE, for you Portlanders) who had just moved to Portland from Arizona, and boy, they had a lot to say about racism in Arizona. Talked the politics of white retirees selling their homes in more expensive parts of the country, moving to Arizona where land is plentiful and the weather agrees with them, and creating an increasingly hostile political and nativist environment on all fronts for the latinos (legal and illegal) living there.

Just an anecdote! This made me think of it.

When I was about to move to New Mexico from Everett, WA, I told the young lady making my sandwich where I was moving to. She said, "Oh, I used to live there." I asked how she liked it. she said, "I didn't. Too many Mexicans." Her Korean-American boss and I had to make sure we didn't accidentally trade jaws as we retrieved them from the floor.

203 Stanghazi  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:54:25pm

BreakingNews

Senate panel votes to repeal 'don't ask, don't tell' law on gays in the military; vote in House expected later this week - AP

204 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:54:48pm

re: #198 Spare O'Lake

Interesting, thanks for the info.
I always find stereotypes laughable...including the stereotypical bitchy and effeminate homosexual male.
This talk of violent, murderous Nazi homosexuals is a fascinating counterpoint.

What a great punk band name that would make :D

The Murderous Nazi Homosexuals!

205 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:55:26pm

re: #202 wrenchwench

When I was about to move to New Mexico from Everett, WA, I told the young lady making my sandwich where I was moving to. She said, "Oh, I used to live there." I asked how she liked it. she said, "I didn't. Too many Mexicans." Her Korean-American boss and I had to make sure we didn't accidentally trade jaws as we retrieved them from the floor.

hahaha jesus! I remember everett! There used to be a great sci-fi con around there.

206 Lidane  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:55:46pm

re: #29 MandyManners

Married people don't fornicate.

True, but if they've ever had sex in any position other than missionary or had oral sex, they're filthy sodomites and should be stoned to death.

///Fundie logic

207 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:56:24pm

re: #203 Stanley Sea

OH NOES!

208 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:56:49pm

re: #205 WindUpBird

It was no Puyallup >>

209 Stanghazi  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:57:31pm
"I'll do everything in my power [to stop the repeal]," said Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), who serves as ranking member on the Armed Services Committee yesterday.
210 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:57:37pm

re: #203 Stanley Sea

BreakingNews

Senate panel votes to repeal 'don't ask, don't tell' law on gays in the military; vote in House expected later this week - AP

Hence the added psycho noise from the social conservatives on gays in the military.

It's not that the AFA and the FRC are trying to stop the bill. They're taking advantage of the story arc. They're in its wake, like the little fishies that follow a whale, trying to grab some of that outraged-bigot donation cheddar when the bill is big news and the issue is on everyone's minds.

Ahhh, people.

211 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:58:20pm

re: #209 Stanley Sea

Aah John, you dip.

212 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:58:56pm

re: #208 windsagio

It was no Puyallup >>

Puyallup is FUCKED. That traffic. That traffic is beyond hell. It's a descent to the UnderHades.

213 avanti  Thu, May 27, 2010 3:59:48pm

re: #96 Stanley Sea

They were welcomed, and it was very easy.

Yep, that how my dad came in from Greece, and my mom from Serbia early in the 1900's. Back in the day, one Greek came in, made a few bucks and brought the rest of the family in. In my fathers case, it was my Godfather that paid for his passage.

214 Varek Raith  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:00:07pm

re: #212 WindUpBird

Puyallup is FUCKED. That traffic. That traffic is beyond hell. It's a descent to the UnderHades.

You keep your damn Prii out my domain!!!
.
.
.
What the hell is the plural for Prius anyway?

215 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:00:57pm

re: #214 Varek Raith

Jalopnik always says Prii. :D

216 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:02:29pm

re: #198 Spare O'Lake

Interesting, thanks for the info.
I always find stereotypes laughable...including the stereotypical bitchy and effeminate homosexual male.
This talk of violent, murderous Nazi homosexuals is a fascinating counterpoint.

Some of them could be bitchy, too.

It takes all kinds to make a Reich.

217 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:02:30pm

so yeah, still can't find anything showing that that the basis of naziism was steeped in sexual fetishism. Anybody else able to help me out?

218 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:02:53pm

Thats right folks Eva Braun was just cover, Hitler was really a queer, ignore all the factual historical evidence, the American Family Association has said so, so it must be true!

I love how these people just rewrite history to suit their own predilections at will and then defend their made up stories as if it were the truth. Gotta admit that takes some large balls, although apparently less and less all the time since the media has basically fallen asleep on the job lately.

219 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:03:13pm

re: #214 Varek Raith

You keep your damn Prii out my domain!!!
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What the hell is the plural for Prius anyway?

Anyone who has one only has one; I suppose there's been no need for a plural of "Prius".

220 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:03:16pm

re: #214 Varek Raith

You keep your damn Prii out my domain!!!
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What the hell is the plural for Prius anyway?

Libmobiles.

221 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:04:05pm

re: #217 windsagio

so yeah, still can't find anything showing that that the basis of naziism was steeped in sexual fetishism. Anybody else able to help me out?

I want to know! all these rock bands adopting Nazi imagery FOR the fetish aspect, I want to see if it's a complete circle :D

222 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:04:13pm

re: #199 windsagio

If you can state that so absolutely you can show me info, right? The idea is interesting and I hadn't heard it told that way before.

A large part of my life as a professional translator has been given over to the study and rendering into English of Nazi documents.

I'm willing to sign you up for my next private seminar, if you're interested.

223 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:04:42pm

re: #218 ausador

Thats right folks Eva Braun was just cover, Hitler was really a queer, ignore all the factual historical evidence, the American Family Association has said so, so it must be true!

I love how these people just rewrite history to suit their own predilections at will and then defend their made up stories as if it were the truth. Gotta admit that takes some large balls, although apparently less and less all the time since the media has basically fallen asleep on the job lately.

Maybe Eva was all Braun.

224 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:05:34pm

re: #219 reine.de.tout

Anyone who has one only has one; I suppose there's been no need for a plural of "Prius".

Of course there is. Try being mobbed by Prii in Boston while driving your un-PC Lincoln.

225 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:06:35pm

re: #220 Spare O'Lake

Libmobiles.

I know ONE person with a Pius personally. And she's a nurse in her 60's who bought a Gen1 Prius and will probably drive it until it's no more.

Libmobile in Portland is usually a battered Volvo 240 wagon, a base Golf GL, or a Subaru Outback with 300,000 miles on it, slathered in bumper stickers. Or, if you're REALLY broke, it's whatever shitbox you can get for $300 a Twymans.

The Prius, you gotta have money for those things. But I can pick up a Volvo wagon for less than I paid for my laptop. And it's a cooler car.

226 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:06:54pm

re: #214 Varek Raith

You keep your damn Prii out my domain!!!
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.
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What the hell is the plural for Prius anyway?

I call them Prii...if I get behind more than two or three of them on the freeway (quite common here in California), I say exactly what you said above.

227 windsagio  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:07:35pm

re: #222 Cato the Elder

I would have gone for the First Down, personally >>

228 avanti  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:08:32pm

John Finn, the last, living WW II Medal of Honor winner died today. Here's what he did to earn it at Pearl Harbor:


In 2009 Finn explained one of the first things he did was take control of a machine gun from his squadron's painter. "I said, 'Alex, let me take that gun'...knew that I had more experience firing a machine gun than a painter."

Finn then found a movable platform used for gunnery training, attached the .50 caliber machine gun, and pushed the platform into an open area, from which he had a clear view of the attacking aircraft. He fired on the Japanese planes for the next two hours, even after being seriously wounded, until the attack had ended. In total, he received 21 distinct wounds, including a bullet through the foot and an injury which caused him to lose feeling in his left arm.

"I got that gun and I started shooting at Jap planes," Finn said in a 2009 interview. "I was out there shooting the Jap planes and just every so often I was a target for some," he said, "in some cases, I could see [the Japanese pilots'] faces."

Despite wounds, he returned to the hangars later that day, after receiving medical treatment, and helped arm the surviving American planes.

For these actions, Finn was formally presented with the Medal of Honor on September 14, 1942, by Admiral Chester Nimitz. The ceremony occurred in Pearl Harbor on board the USS Enterprise (CV-6).

229 wrenchwench  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:09:10pm

re: #222 Cato the Elder

A large part of my life as a professional translator has been given over to the study and rendering into English of Nazi documents.

A worthy task. But not very cheery, I imagine.

230 allegro  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:10:22pm

re: #228 avanti

Clearly not a guy you wanted to piss off.

231 Stanghazi  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:13:24pm

re: #228 avanti

Hand over my heart.

One of the most moving things I've ever seen was a PBS special on the Medal of Honor recipients.

232 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:17:46pm

re: #229 wrenchwench

A worthy task. But not very cheery, I imagine.

Oh, dear Wench.

Here is my longest translation evah.

Done together with two others, because it came out to be almost 1,100 pages.

Sorry the price is so high.

It's chock full of previously undocumented Nazi material on the (mis)treatment of non-Germans under the Third Reich.

There were times, translating this stuff, that I broke down for days and couldn't get back to work.

233 avanti  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:21:39pm

War has always been nasty. I was watching a story about medieval catapults. They'd sometimes launch the heads of captured prisoners over the castle walls to make a point.

234 wrenchwench  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:22:58pm

re: #232 Cato the Elder

{Cato}

I won't be buying one, but it's still good to know it's there.

235 Four More Tears  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:23:20pm

re: #232 Cato the Elder

Cato... kind of shocked that you'd put that out there.

236 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:24:46pm

re: #233 avanti

War has always been nasty. I was watching a story about medieval catapults. They'd sometimes launch the heads of captured prisoners over the castle walls to make a point.

Best line from one of the worst movies I ever paid theatre prices to see, "Shutter Island," puts it well...

"There's no moral order at all. There's just this: can my violence conquer yours? "

237 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:25:03pm

re: #235 JasonA

Cato... kind of shocked that you'd put that out there.

Why?

238 Four More Tears  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:27:25pm

re: #237 Walter L. Newton

I thought he was pretty tight-lipped concerning his private info.

239 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:29:12pm

re: #234 wrenchwench

{Cato}

I won't be buying one, but it's still good to know it's there.

Library, my dear. Library. Socialist free library.

re: #235 JasonA

Cato... kind of shocked that you'd put that out there.

I'm one of three translators, and the stalkers already know my real name. So does Robert Spencer.

I'm proud of my work on that book. It was published by Johns Hopkins University Press in association with The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.

Hony soyt ke mal y pense.

240 Stanghazi  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:34:26pm

re: #239 Cato the Elder

I'm one of three translators, and the stalkers already know my real name. So does Robert Spencer.

I'm proud of my work on that book. It was published by Johns Hopkins University Press in association with The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.

Hony soyt ke mal y pense.

Bookmarked, and I will get it from my library.

241 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:40:18pm

re: #238 JasonA

I thought he was pretty tight-lipped concerning his private info.

I know Cato... he slept in my house a few nights... he's ok... don't let him get a hold of your farm animals though...

242 Four More Tears  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:43:24pm

re: #241 Walter L. Newton

I know Cato... he slept in my house a few nights... he's ok... don't let him get a hold of your farm animals though...

I'd think they'd enjoy it, actually...

243 b_sharp  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:56:41pm

re: #142 darthstar

Nobody's called me a dope before (seriously). Updinged for originality.

dope, dope, dope.

3 updings please.

(upding whore)

244 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 27, 2010 4:59:36pm

re: #228 avanti

John Finn, the last, living WW II Medal of Honor winner died today. Here's what he did to earn it at Pearl Harbor:

In 2009 Finn explained one of the first things he did was take control of a machine gun from his squadron's painter. "I said, 'Alex, let me take that gun'...knew that I had more experience firing a machine gun than a painter."

Finn then found a movable platform used for gunnery training, attached the .50 caliber machine gun, and pushed the platform into an open area, from which he had a clear view of the attacking aircraft. He fired on the Japanese planes for the next two hours, even after being seriously wounded, until the attack had ended. In total, he received 21 distinct wounds, including a bullet through the foot and an injury which caused him to lose feeling in his left arm.

"I got that gun and I started shooting at Jap planes," Finn said in a 2009 interview. "I was out there shooting the Jap planes and just every so often I was a target for some," he said, "in some cases, I could see [the Japanese pilots'] faces."

Despite wounds, he returned to the hangars later that day, after receiving medical treatment, and helped arm the surviving American planes.

For these actions, Finn was formally presented with the Medal of Honor on September 14, 1942, by Admiral Chester Nimitz. The ceremony occurred in Pearl Harbor on board the USS Enterprise (CV-6).

A true hero. We were luck to have him.

245 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:04:30pm

re: #243 b_sharp

dope, dope, dope.

3 updings please.

(upding whore)

Updinged, even though it wasn't original.

246 Effy  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:25:00pm

I think everyone knows that on both the far right and the far left we can find many examples of hate speech and bad craziness. Which side's wackos are worse would actually be an interesting discussion. I think that harping on only the bigotry on the far right, and holding it up as an example of what the right wing is, is giving a skewed picture of what conservatives stand for. I would be curious if anyone knows any poll numbers as to what percentage of conservatives, or even what percentage of the religious right agrees with these kind of statements. I know this won't be a popular comment, but I am uneasy with using this kind of stuff to tar so large a group.

247 darthstar  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:27:27pm

re: #246 Effy

I think everyone knows that on both the far right and the far left we can find many examples of hate speech and bad craziness. Which side's wackos are worse would actually be an interesting discussion. I think that harping on only the bigotry on the far right, and holding it up as an example of what the right wing is, is giving a skewed picture of what conservatives stand for. I would be curious if anyone knows any poll numbers as to what percentage of conservatives, or even what percentage of the religious right agrees with these kind of statements. I know this won't be a popular comment, but I am uneasy with using this kind of stuff to tar so large a group.

The problem, Effy, is that the main voices on the Right (the McCains, the McConnells, the Boehners, the Grahams, etc.) are afraid to disagree with the crazy fucks at the AFA or FRC because their followers are almost exclusively Republicans...so yes, they're complicit in this kind of idiocy.

248 Effy  Thu, May 27, 2010 5:51:23pm

re: #247 darthstar

The main voices on the right would be afraid to disagree with expelling all homosexuals from America and saying the Hitler was evil because he was gay (recent examples from here)? Are you really sure? Unless I am not understanding you correctly. I know they are not in favor of legalizing same-sex marriage or having only gay people in the military, but that is hardly the same. You may not agree with them on that stuff, but it is not crazy hate.

249 Effy  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:22:06pm

Quote from John McCain:
We embrace the fine members of the religious conservative community. But that does not mean that we will pander to their self-appointed leaders. [These leaders] are corrupting influences on religion and politics. They shame our faith, our party and our country.

Neither party should be defined by pandering to the outer reaches of American politics and the agents of intolerance whether they be Louis Farrakhan or Al Sharpton on the left, or Robertson or Falwell on the right.

Source: Speech in Virginia Beach, VA Feb 28, 2000

250 Tigger2005  Thu, May 27, 2010 6:23:43pm

re: #249 Effy

Quote from John McCain:
We embrace the fine members of the religious conservative community. But that does not mean that we will pander to their self-appointed leaders. [These leaders] are corrupting influences on religion and politics. They shame our faith, our party and our country.

Neither party should be defined by pandering to the outer reaches of American politics and the agents of intolerance whether they be Louis Farrakhan or Al Sharpton on the left, or Robertson or Falwell on the right.

Source: Speech in Virginia Beach, VA Feb 28, 2000

Who or what has possessed John McCain's mind and body?

251 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 28, 2010 12:41:54am

The logic we are seeing is that homosexuals are an ab(d)omination unto the Lord, they are by nature degenerate perverts, which makes them all the more prone to any other acts of depravity we can think of.

This is also the basis of the arguments against repealin DADT.

The notion of a gay who is quiet, clean, responsible, law-abiding, non-promiscuous and otherwise outwardly "normal" is not part of their thinking.

252 S'latch  Fri, May 28, 2010 10:25:45am

World War II was actually a war between masculine, dominant homosexuals and effeminate, submissive homosexuals? Every one else was just caught in the cross fire? Wow!


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