Overnight Open Thread
Why does the porridge bird lay its egg in the air?
— Uh, Clem
Why does the porridge bird lay its egg in the air?
— Uh, Clem
3 | Mad Al-Jaffee Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:32:28pm |
Hey, new thread! I missed it by a few seconds when I posted in the last one.
PC gone amok again, NAACP thinks that black holes are racist.
4 | reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:32:46pm |
re: #1 dartmydog
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6 | Mocking Jay Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:34:33pm |
re: #3 Mad Al-Jaffee
Hey, new thread! I missed it by a few seconds when I posted in the last one.
PC gone amok again, NAACP thinks that black holes are racist.
I'm not going to defend the card, but... haven't these people ever heard a rap song?
7 | reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:34:45pm |
re: #3 Mad Al-Jaffee
Hey, new thread! I missed it by a few seconds when I posted in the last one.
PC gone amok again, NAACP thinks that black holes are racist.
It does seem a bit silly.
But it's a "talking" card, and I heard it.
It is not clear, and if you didn't know the card was about the solar system, it would sound pretty strange.
9 | freetoken Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:35:26pm |
re: #3 Mad Al-Jaffee
Um, nothing about the NAACP in that link.
10 | Mad Al-Jaffee Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:36:00pm |
11 | reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:36:46pm |
Damn, goddamned frank, you've gifted me with quite a few updings this evening. I appreciate it. What's the deal - you in a particularly good mood?
12 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:37:46pm |
re: #4 reine.de.tout
Hi you!
I hope you are well?
Too funny, about the Shrieking Harpy's troubles with PayPal!
13 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:38:27pm |
re: #11 reine.de.tout
Maybe he's just glad to see you?
*ducks & runs for cover*
14 | reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:39:25pm |
re: #12 Floral Giraffe
Hi you!
I hope you are well?
Too funny, about the Shrieking Harpy's troubles with PayPal!
Truly is hilarious!
I think she's nuts.
I've thought that ever since I saw her "v-log" with her rolling around in the surf while she babbled on about something or other. I always wondered who it was she had filming her. I mean, c'mon. If you want to be taken seriously, you don't put on a bikini and go roll around in the surf, and post it on your blog, ya know?
15 | reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:40:15pm |
re: #13 Floral Giraffe
Maybe he's just glad to see you?
*ducks & runs for cover*
LOL.
It's late, I'm feeling good and a bit - more frisky than usual.
heheheheh.
17 | Mocking Jay Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:41:26pm |
re: #15 reine.de.tout
LOL.
It's late, I'm feeling good and a bit - more frisky than usual.
heheheheh.
*hides!*
18 | cliffster Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:42:33pm |
19 | reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:43:02pm |
re: #18 cliffster
who's there?
You, thank goodness!
I thought I was here all by my l'il ole lonesome.
20 | cliffster Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:43:10pm |
re: #3 Mad Al-Jaffee
Hey, new thread! I missed it by a few seconds when I posted in the last one.
PC gone amok again, NAACP thinks that black holes are racist.
yeah, that's just plain stupid.
21 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:44:23pm |
re: #15 reine.de.tout
LOL.
It's late, I'm feeling good and a bit - more frisky than usual.
heheheheh.
You're looking for Ludwig, or Reginald Perrin, or That's Lord High Monckton to you, for a spanking. They don't seem to be available at this time.
[Reine} Being silly. Hope you are well.
22 | Mad Al-Jaffee Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:44:54pm |
I'm here, for a little while at least.
If any of you have never seen the show Party Down, and you have Netflix, go and watch it online. I watched most of the first two seasons (the season two finale isn't online yet) this week. One of the funniest shows in recent tv times.
23 | freetoken Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:45:38pm |
re: #10 Mad Al-Jaffee
That story just links back to the CBS page as the other one.
Searching the actual NAACP sites brings up nothing.
Doing a google search brings up most links the past two weeks to the usual wingnut sites.
However, the story origination appears to be from June 3 here:
[Link: abclocal.go.com...]
It appears to have been two people from the local Los Angeles NAACP who made that claim. But the national organization didn't seem to take notice.
24 | Spare O'Lake Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:46:22pm |
re: #16 reine.de.tout
knock-knock
anybody here?
Hi there, wassup. I just caught the very end of the last thread - wow, what a malicious person she must be to parrot that kind of scandalous material without any meaningful fact-checking.
25 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:46:26pm |
re: #11 reine.de.tout
Damn, goddamned frank, you've gifted me with quite a few updings this evening. I appreciate it. What's the deal - you in a particularly good mood?
I upding more than I downding in general. But in this case specifically, because I couldn't downding dartmydog, since it might be misinterpreted.
26 | reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:46:45pm |
re: #21 Floral Giraffe
You're looking for Ludwig, or Reginald Perrin, or That's Lord High Monckton to you, for a spanking. They don't seem to be available at this time.
[Reine} Being silly. Hope you are well.
yep, doing well, as I hope you are too!
I like silly!
27 | cliffster Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:47:09pm |
re: #19 reine.de.tout
You, thank goodness!
I thought I was here all by my l'il ole lonesome.
28 | reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:47:37pm |
re: #25 goddamnedfrank
I upding more than I downding in general. But in this case specifically, because I couldn't downding dartmydog, since it might be misinterpreted.
Oh, I wuz just yankin' yer chain a bit, there.
29 | reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:48:25pm |
re: #24 Spare O'Lake
Hi there, wassup. I just caught the very end of the last thread - wow, what a malicious person she must be to parrot that kind of scandalous material without any meaningful fact-checking.
Who? Pamela?
I hope that's who you meant.
I hope you didn't mean me.
30 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:48:34pm |
re: #26 reine.de.tout
I like spankings!
So, there you are!
G'night. Must sleep.
Had a long, fun day.
Be well!
(And do ask for a spanking if it's what you'd like! LOL!
Watch the stalkers get all bent out of shape!)
{{Reine}}
31 | reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:49:51pm |
re: #30 Floral Giraffe
I like spankings!
So, there you are!
G'night. Must sleep.
Had a long, fun day.
Be well!
(And do ask for a spanking if it's what you'd like! LOL!
Watch the stalkers get all bent out of shape!){{Reine}}
Or, buy a cookbook and really watch the heads asplode!
32 | Mad Al-Jaffee Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:50:27pm |
re: #23 freetoken
OK, I stand corrected. I should have said that local NAACP people got a greeting card pulled because of political correctness.
33 | Spare O'Lake Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:51:14pm |
re: #29 reine.de.tout
Who? Pamela?
I hope that's who you meant.
I hope you didn't mean me.
*yawn*
*hic*
*burp*
good night!
34 | Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:51:57pm |
Reading up on the Gus link regarding the Staten Island mosque issue. Since I grew up there I know more about that environment than most. I find myself somewhat conflicted over the issue. I lived all over the Island during my time there, so I know the dynamics of most of the neighborhoods. Midland Beach is a deeply Italian Catholic neighborhood and my own experience was, when I lived there, deeply racist. But that's also true of many neighborhoods across the island. Again, too many stories to tell. And yet there are legitimate reasons for the folks in the neighborhood to be pissed off, both at the Catholic church who is selling the property, and local officials who, to a person, are being cowards. My conflict in this is based in part on the fact that SI'ers were disproportionately effected by 9/11. Every funeral home was packed for months after the attacks (I know, I asked them when I was there just afterward). The emotion there still runs high. I don't have a problem with a mosque on SI. I used to live in a Muslim neighborhood there. This is an issue that strikes close to home as you can imagine.
35 | freetoken Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:57:42pm |
re: #32 Mad Al-Jaffee
Here is what I think has gone on, from a preliminary search:
Two people affiliated with the Los Angeles branch of the NAACP held a news conference to complain about the card. Whatever chip they have on their shoulder, it looks a bit silly from an outsider's perspective. Anyway, KTLA covered it, provided some video. That was on June 3. It was picked up a few other legit news outlets
From there thousands of sites/bloggers who have a chip on their shoulder about the NAACP try to make hay out of the situation, over the following 9 days. From ProteinWisdom to HotAir, and finally to Fox (yesterday), covering this as some sort of "news."
Even searching the LA NAACP website brings up nothing, and as I said above neither does the national NAACP site. Go ahead and double check me - I may have missed something.
My preliminary conclusion is that what was a minor bit of confusion/silliness/poor-thinking by a couple of misguided souls turns out to be a roast-the-Black-organization by the wingnut-o-sphere.
36 | Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:59:11pm |
Hallmark Cards "American Family Association
2008 - American Family Association instituted a boycott of Hallmark Cards for them carrying gay themed cards.
37 | cliffster Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:00:22pm |
re: #35 freetoken
oh good grief. They were being idiots and their idiocy made the news.
38 | Gus Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:02:36pm |
re: #34 Irenicum
Reading up on the Gus link regarding the Staten Island mosque issue. Since I grew up there I know more about that environment than most. I find myself somewhat conflicted over the issue. I lived all over the Island during my time there, so I know the dynamics of most of the neighborhoods. Midland Beach is a deeply Italian Catholic neighborhood and my own experience was, when I lived there, deeply racist. But that's also true of many neighborhoods across the island. Again, too many stories to tell. And yet there are legitimate reasons for the folks in the neighborhood to be pissed off, both at the Catholic church who is selling the property, and local officials who, to a person, are being cowards. My conflict in this is based in part on the fact that SI'ers were disproportionately effected by 9/11. Every funeral home was packed for months after the attacks (I know, I asked them when I was there just afterward). The emotion there still runs high. I don't have a problem with a mosque on SI. I used to live in a Muslim neighborhood there. This is an issue that strikes close to home as you can imagine.
1st Amendment and the Establishment Clause plus there are already mosques in Staten Island.
If we keep moving "ground zero" further out it will never end because I'm sure many would find a reason to justify their objection to building a mosque -- which of course they already do.
I'm glad I moved out West.
39 | Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:02:39pm |
re: #37 cliffster
Maybe the far right wants to get rid of the NAACP through this tactic like they did with ACORN. Paint the whole organization with the actions of a few locals. Nothing would surprise me anymore.
40 | Mad Al-Jaffee Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:03:09pm |
re: #35 freetoken
Maybe I haven't read up enough on it or done as much research as you. But from what I understand, the card was discontinued because of perceived racism. I'll check up more on this when it's not 2:00 AM and I don't feel like it.
+1 to you!
41 | freetoken Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:03:17pm |
re: #37 cliffster
oh good grief. They were being idiots and their idiocy made the news.
Yeah, right. It was a through-away item on KTLA.
Oh, and the tens of thousands of blog posts on this item on the wingnut-o-sphere was to highly this very important issue so very enlightening, no?
42 | freetoken Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:04:37pm |
re: #40 Mad Al-Jaffee
Hallmark is hyper-sensitive to this issue. Some time back they started a campaign to reach out to different communities but especially to the African-American population.
So yeah, any little thing pulls the trigger.
43 | freetoken Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:05:57pm |
re: #41 freetoken
PIMF
Oh, and the tens of thousands of blog posts on this item on the wingnut-o-sphere was to highlight this very important issue, so very enlightening, no?
44 | cliffster Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:07:05pm |
re: #41 freetoken
Yeah, right. It was a through-away item on KTLA.
Oh, and the tens of thousands of blog posts on this item on the wingnut-o-sphere was to highly this very important issue so very enlightening, no?
Yes, it does indeed bring attention to the fact that people are insanely over-the-top sensitive. It might not be a big, national story, but it is a poignant anecdote to a culture overrun by political correctness.
45 | Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:08:41pm |
re: #38 Gus 802
Glad you're still online Gus. Obviously this story hits close to home for me. And you're right, the 1st Amendment and the Establishment Clause is fundamental to what it means to be American. I lived down the street from an Islamic center on SI years ago and had no problem with that. The opposition in this case is based, at least in part, on fear of any "other." Sadly, the folks reacting this way don't remember how their own ancestors were treated exactly the same way generations ago. Some things never change.
46 | Mad Al-Jaffee Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:09:05pm |
Okay, other things. My boss (sort of my boss - as a contractor I have different people I report to, but she is the one I work most closely with) came to my festival gig today. I get along with her most of the time, but she's not someone I would want to hang out with.
She came with her husband and two little kids (2 and 4 years old) and she was so different from at the office. She's not always uptight at work, and we get along, but today she was just really easygoing and fun. It was nice to see her, and her kids are really cute (and they dug our set.)
47 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:09:35pm |
re: #39 Irenicum
Maybe the far right wants to get rid of the NAACP through this tactic like they did with ACORN. Paint the whole organization with the actions of a few locals. Nothing would surprise me anymore.
The black people.
Watch this one.
49 | avanti Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:13:30pm |
Pam's site being called a 'hate site" has brought out some reasonable, and well thought out comments by other blogs/
"This is a fucking outrage. You’ve probably heard this already but, I can’t let this pass. Bowing to pressure from CAIR–the unindicted co-conspirator in Hamas funding–PayPal has pegged Pam Geller’s Atlas Shrugs as a “Hate Site” and will close her account. These same Dhimmi fuckwads have not demanded any such action from the Jihad-spouting sites that use the service. (H/T Classic Liberal and Stacy McCain)
If you use PayPal you might want to send them a (polite) email enumerating the errors of their ways, and canceling your account. If, like me, you are doing this on the cheap and don’t expect remuneration, send them a note (emails available at Pam’s and Stacy’s) telling them to get fucked with the flaming phallus of fail soaked in strychnine for all eternity."
50 | cliffster Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:14:04pm |
re: #46 Mad Al-Jaffee
That's cool. If you work at a place long enough, you're going to make friends with people and have away-from-office relationships with them. I've tried to stay at arm's length from co-workers, but all that does is make you lonely and seem like a dick.
51 | Kragar Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:14:56pm |
re: #49 avanti
I think I will pen them a missive thanking them for being a responsible corporate citizen.
54 | Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:18:39pm |
re: #46 Mad Al-Jaffee
I've been in that situation before. Glad your social situation was pleasant and enjoyable. Most of mine have been the same. It always takes some sense of personalities involved.
55 | Mad Al-Jaffee Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:19:32pm |
re: #50 cliffster
That's cool. If you work at a place long enough, you're going to make friends with people and have away-from-office relationships with them. I've tried to stay at arm's length from co-workers, but all that does is make you lonely and seem like a dick.
Yeah, I have in the past and some of my current coworkers have come out to see my band. I'm still trying to get the cute redhead chick I work with to come see us some time.
One nice thing about today is that my boss new that I needed to take off soon and told me so, but asked me if I could come over and talk to her kids because they liked our music so much. I told her to piss off because I had to go.
Not really. I went over and spent a few minutes with the kids (and told the older one she should get a harmonica soon), and that was really nice.
56 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:20:42pm |
re: #49 avanti
Pam's site being called a 'hate site" has brought out some reasonable, and well thought out comments by other blogs/
"This is a fucking outrage. You’ve probably heard this already but, I can’t let this pass. Bowing to pressure from CAIR–the unindicted co-conspirator in Hamas funding–PayPal has pegged Pam Geller’s Atlas Shrugs as a “Hate Site” and will close her account. These same Dhimmi fuckwads have not demanded any such action from the Jihad-spouting sites that use the service. (H/T Classic Liberal and Stacy McCain)
If you use PayPal you might want to send them a (polite) email enumerating the errors of their ways, and canceling your account. If, like me, you are doing this on the cheap and don’t expect remuneration, send them a note (emails available at Pam’s and Stacy’s) telling them to get fucked with the flaming phallus of fail soaked in strychnine for all eternity."
CAIR, Hamas, Dhimmi, phallus.
All the talking points.
57 | Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:22:50pm |
re: #47 Stanley Sea
I saw so much blatant racism growing up that it sensitized me to the code words that try to hide the obvious ever since. I'm actually grateful for being exposed to it so early on while also being exposed to other communities. I saw the dichotomy before my eyes and it was painfully illuminating. It made me a better person I think.
58 | Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:25:18pm |
re: #55 Mad Al-Jaffee
Ha! It's a good to not be a dick. Glad you did the right thing.
60 | Mad Al-Jaffee Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:26:56pm |
re: #58 Irenicum
Ha! It's a good to not be a dick. Glad you did the right thing.
I would never do what I was kidding about. I love kids, especially when they like my music.
61 | Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:28:01pm |
re: #60 Mad Al-Jaffee
Everything you've already shared shows that.
62 | cliffster Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:29:23pm |
re: #60 Mad Al-Jaffee
hey can you resend that youtube link you shared a little while back, showing your mad skilz? I can't find where I saved it.
63 | Bagua Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:33:42pm |
re: #56 Stanley Sea
CAIR, Hamas, Dhimmi, phallus.
All the talking points.
While the poster is obviously out to lunch about Pammy, CAIR and Hamas are not talking points.
64 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:35:24pm |
re: #63 Bagua
While the poster is obviously out to lunch about Pammy, CAIR and Hamas are not talking points.
You omitted phallus my friend.
65 | Bagua Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:36:51pm |
66 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:37:23pm |
67 | Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:37:34pm |
Belgian vote opens. It could lead to a division of the country by language. In some ways this could be a canary in a political coal mine in Europe. Tribalism tends to triumph in times of uncertainty.
70 | Mad Al-Jaffee Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:41:22pm |
re: #62 cliffster
hey can you resend that youtube link you shared a little while back, showing your mad skilz? I can't find where I saved it.
Which one? ;)
71 | Mad Al-Jaffee Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:43:32pm |
re: #61 Irenicum
Everything you've already shared shows that.
Thanks! I really can get along well with kids because, as a musician, I'm pretty immature. Don't want any of my own, but I'll have a great time hanging out with others.
72 | Bagua Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:50:06pm |
re: #64 Stanley Sea
Are you related to Steven Seagull?
73 | Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:50:35pm |
re: #71 Mad Al-Jaffee
No problem man. As a fellow immature person, I can attest to how important it is to get along with all other critters, human or otherwise, older or younger.
74 | cliffster Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:51:07pm |
75 | Irenicum Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:52:20pm |
Speaking of which, I think I need to watch some Shaun of the Dead. Kick ass humour never gets old.
76 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:52:36pm |
re: #72 Bagua
Are you related to Steven Seagull?
Uh, no. I think he's a warmonger and a former steroid user. So, same genes, but no relate.
79 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:57:18pm |
80 | swamprat Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:57:35pm |
81 | Bagua Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:57:37pm |
re: #78 Irenicum
G'nite kids. As always, see ya on the other side.
There's another side?
.
Good night.
82 | cliffster Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:57:56pm |
83 | Mad Al-Jaffee Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:58:04pm |
84 | cliffster Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:59:20pm |
86 | Bagua Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:08:26am |
re: #79 Stanley Sea
The Clash are definitely warmongers.
But according to wiki (I know nothing about Steven Seagal)
Seagal has described his activism method as "shaming companies into changing," a theme that is visible in such films as On Deadly Ground and Fire Down Below. He has worked with People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) to discourage the fur trade, and has written to the Prime Minister of India to seek increased legal protection for cows. Seagal worked effectively towards saving dogs destined to drown in Taiwan.
In 1999, Seagal was awarded a PETA Humanitarian Award. In 2003, Seagal wrote an open letter to the leadership of Thailand, urging them to enact law to prevent the torture of baby elephants.
Outside of his film work, Seagal has volunteered, lending his voice as a narrator for an activist film project, Medicine Lake Video, which seeks to protect sacred tribal ground near his ranch in Siskiyou County.
In addition to his biological children, Seagal's Tibetan Buddhist beliefs[30] have also placed him in the role of guardian to a Tibetan child, Yabshi Pan Rinzinwangmo. Rinzinwangmo, or "Renji", is the only child of the 10th Panchen Lama of Tibet. Renji studied in the United States at American University, and Seagal was her guardian and bodyguard.
Seagal is also a recording artist and guitarist and the founder of Steven Seagal Enterprises.[4] In addition to his professional achievements, he is also known as an environmentalist, an animal rights activist and a supporter of the 14th Dalai Lama Tenzin Gyatso, and the Tibetan independence movement.
Sounds like a good Seagull to me.
87 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:13:22am |
re: #86 Bagua
Ha. Steven fucking sorry movie guy vs. those damn brit warmongers (1990's !! oooh!!
Bagua, stupid argument.
88 | Bagua Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:19:25am |
89 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:20:34am |
90 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:21:04am |
91 | cliffster Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:25:07am |
re: #88 Bagua
how the hell did the photographer catch that?
92 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:29:47am |
93 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:31:14am |
94 | Bagua Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:31:34am |
re: #91 cliffster
how the hell did the photographer catch that?
Some people have a lot of time to sit around and wait for the perfect photo I suppose.
95 | cliffster Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:34:50am |
what kind of music are balloons afraid of?
POP music!
97 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:37:24am |
re: #95 cliffster
what kind of music are balloons afraid of?
POP music!
Ha, I cannot help it. Firehose, Oddfellows Local 151. It's worth the listen.
98 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:38:09am |
99 | ryannon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:41:51am |
101 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:45:08am |
Sweetness Follows
102 | ryannon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:46:05am |
103 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:47:50am |
104 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:49:21am |
re: #102 ryannon
Please tell me that was Photoshopped.
PLEASE
Nope, those are real conjoined girls, saw a documetary on them. They're pretty cool!
105 | ryannon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:52:51am |
106 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:53:19am |
re: #35 freetoken
This is the oldest polemic approach in the book: you take a couple of extreme moonbats/wingnuts from the opposite camp and hold them up as the very paragons of liberal/conservative thought.
107 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:55:35am |
re: #75 Irenicum
Speaking of which, I think I need to watch some Shaun of the Dead. Kick ass humour never gets old.
I am not a big fan of zombie films or zombie anything, but I think SotD is absolutely brilliant.
108 | ryannon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:57:38am |
re: #104 WindUpBird
Nope, those are real conjoined girls, saw a documetary on them. They're pretty cool!
I literally don't know what to think.
109 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:59:04am |
110 | Bagua Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:00:20am |
You'd think with a collection of 14 albums by Lightnin' Hopkins I'd not have just heard this gem for the first time tonight.
Old Woman Blues
111 | ryannon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:01:24am |
re: #109 Stanley Sea
Think LIFE
No, somehow that just doesn't compute for me. I keep drawing a blank.
112 | ryannon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:04:36am |
re: #110 Bagua
You'd think with a collection of 14 albums by Lightnin' Hopkins I'd not have just heard this gem for the first time tonight.
Old Woman Blues
[Video]
-Lightin' Hopkins
That's a neat portable Victrola as well.
113 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:04:37am |
re: #111 ryannon
No, somehow that just doesn't compute for me. I keep drawing a blank.
bummer.
one day you will encounter.
114 | ryannon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:08:43am |
re: #113 Stanley Sea
bummer.
one day you will encounter.
That's a rank simplification. I'm not denying them the right to exist - and I certainly wish them well.
There are certainly any number of things that would temporarily disrupt your circuits as well - and anyone could say, 'Hey, it's just life.' Among other things,life is respecting other people's limits - or if it's impossible to respect them, at least to understand that we all have limits.
Yeah, it's life. Everything's life.
115 | Bagua Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:08:45am |
116 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:14:00am |
re: #114 ryannon
I can at least hope that they are allowed to live something like a normal life. In other times they would either be locked up away where nobody could see them or put out for display at a freak show.
117 | ryannon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:21:21am |
re: #86 Bagua
I mentioned it before here, but I kept running into Steven Segal in a bar (Rebecca's, designed by Frank Gehry) in Venice West. As a longtime expat on a short visit to California, I had no idea who the hell he was - other than he was a cool-looking dude with a ponytail and an interesting face, always with a small group of people drinking at the bar. I actually figured him for a European.
Anyway, we began to notice each other's presence and one night he sent over a drink. It was a nice gesture, given the context, and since we were apparently on the same wavelength, I didn't feel there was anything equivocal about it. In other words, I didn't feel like the dude was making a move on me.
Being a reserved type, I just thanked him with a nod and went on with my evening at the bar of Rebecca's. He looked like he had enough drinking buddies as it was.
And that's my Steven Segal story.
What I really regret is Rebecca's, which eventually moved up to 6th Street in Santa Monica and lost its edge - as I have mine over the years.
Tempus fugit, as Cato might say.
118 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:21:23am |
Oh give it a try.
119 | ryannon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:22:14am |
re: #116 ralphieboy
I can at least hope that they are allowed to live something like a normal life. In other times they would either be locked up away where nobody could see them or put out for display at a freak show.
True that.
120 | ryannon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:25:18am |
re: #2 Bagua
Heh. I love it.
By the way, the real Poopzilla is snoozing right next to me at this very minute. He likes to be cuddled and petted like a cat, and spends a lot of time eliciting affection from me.
It's early Saturday morning in Paris, the sun has come out after a few days of rain, and life is looking good.
121 | ryannon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:38:36am |
Struggle for Pleasure, by Wim Mertens (audio starts at 0:16)
122 | Bagua Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:40:12am |
re: #120 ryannon
Poopzilla is cool.
I found it charming how folks would take their Pet Birds out to the park in Beijing.
123 | ryannon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:55:47am |
re: #122 Bagua
Poopzilla is cool.
I found it charming how folks would take their Pet Birds out to the park in Beijing.
I've read about that also.
I've got a large wicker basket with a kind of domed cage-like cover (meant for transporting kittens or puppies) that I use to take the 'Zilla with me down to the various neighborhood cafés when I have a beer or an espresso and a cigar. I do this for practical reasons, since my places faces north and he doesn't get the daily sun he should be getting - but I'm both amazed and gratified at how many people stop to say hello and chat with me when they see him. Parisians are notoriously distant, but Poopzilla radiates a kind of charisma that immediately breaks down the barriers. For one thing, he's totally there, whether he's checking out the parade of cars and passers-by on the street or just snoozing with a wing spread way out to catch even more sun. He's not afraid of people, and after a moment of sizing them up, will let them stroke his head or lightly scritch him under his beak. Needless to say, kids just love this.
A friend once said that I saved Poopzilla's ass when I picked him up as a baby and brought him home. I replied that I felt that he had saved mine. He did, and he has. What a blessing.
124 | ryannon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:05:41am |
re: #122 Bagua
Poopzilla is cool.
I found it charming how folks would take their Pet Birds out to the park in Beijing.
I don't know where you were in China, but about ten or twelve years ago, I got this intense feeling about Shanghai and considered picking up and moving over there. As I remember, this was just about the time that the city was waking up after the long colonial slumber - although no one really knew at the time what an amazing place it was going to become.
I rather regret not being there - I lived for several years in southeast Asia and always got on particularly well with the Chinese, who often ran the local businesses. I had a real affinity for them, and it appeared to be reciprocal. I loved their (at least what I took to be) their dry sense of humor and quiet irony: they were expats like me, except that their families had been there for hundreds of years, through good times and bad. They had seen it all, and could still laugh about life....
125 | ryannon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:13:53am |
Wim Mertens, Iris The vocals start at 1:45. Some people will wish they hadn't.
126 | ryannon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:20:37am |
Music for a quiet Sunday morning: Spiritus Sanctus, Hildegard von Bingen, ca. 1150.
127 | ryannon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:32:25am |
Anyone interested in street fashion? Very cool blog.
As for me, bbl - time to do a little shopping at the outdoor food market....
128 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:40:24am |
re: #126 ryannon
Music for a quiet Sunday morning: Spiritus Sanctus, Hildegard von Bingen, ca. 1150.
I live about 10 miles down the Rhine from Bingen. She is quite the local hero hereabouts.
130 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:01:29am |
re: #127 ryannon
I dig street fashion, Hel-Looks is pretty great: [Link: www.hel-looks.com...]
133 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:14:04am |
134 | ryannon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:29:37am |
re: #128 ralphieboy
I live about 10 miles down the Rhine from Bingen. She is quite the local hero hereabouts.
And quite right so - she was pretty phenomenal for her time:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Good wines up your way, a beautiful scenery.
136 | ryannon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:34:07am |
re: #130 WindUpBird
I dig street fashion, Hel-Looks is pretty great: [Link: www.hel-looks.com...]
Yes, it's the same idea - except that the Sartorialist was one of the first and he features people of all ages and conditions, something I find extremely interesting.
But it's no pissing contest here, and thanks for the link.
And make it a point to download or rent "Irreversible" - I have a feeling you'll like it. Darker than that, it doesn't get.
137 | ryannon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:36:40am |
re: #131 Cannadian Club Akbar
Iz not tru. (Apparently) dubunked on the news links above.
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
138 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:52:30am |
re: #134 ryannon
And quite right so - she was pretty phenomenal for her time:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Good wines up your way, a beautiful scenery.
There was a museum exhibition in Bingen based on her book of herbal cures. It showed a hemp plant and her comment: "This is not for the weak-minded".
Like wow, dude...
139 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:20:58am |
Dead thread. You guys been getting into Hildegard's stash again?
140 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:24:18am |
Suspect's mom: Son 'stupid kid,' not a terrorist
The mother of one of the two New Jersey men arrested last week at a New York airport allegedly on their way to fight with an al Qaeda-affiliated group in Somalia says the two men are guilty of stupidity -- but not of the sinister plan described by authorities.
"Anything makes him angry. But he's not a terrorist; he's a stupid kid," Nadia Alessa said of her U.S.-born son, Mahmood.
141 | bloodnok Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:28:47am |
142 | Stonemason Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:30:24am |
re: #140 Killgore Trout
Since I saw him, I warned my son and Carlos," Nadia Alessa said. "But my son say 'Always you say about my friends they are undercover.' "
One wonders why she worried about that all the time if her son was just stupid....
Oh, and stupid people can kill too, stupidity is not a valid defense.
143 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:31:48am |
144 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:33:03am |
the Brits have their knickers in a bunch....
BP oil spill: Obama comments 'not anti-British'
President Obama's comments about the BP oil spill were not "anti-British", the American ambassador to London has said.
Mr Obama angered many in the UK by referring to the multinational company by its old name of "British Petroleum" when making criticisms.
145 | Stonemason Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:36:15am |
re: #140 Killgore Trout
So I kept reading, and then searched for the Islamist Thinkers Society, where I found the following on the front page, in an post distancing ITS from the two utes...
F
irst of all, the protest was not organized by Islamic Thinkers Society nor did it take place on May 23rd. This alone shows the CNN team are simply bigots with under qualified analytical skills.
The description of CNN is spot on!
146 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:38:11am |
re: #144 Killgore Trout
the Brits have their knickers in a bunch...
BP oil spill: Obama comments 'not anti-British'
But ambassador Louis Susman said the president "would have said the same thing" if it had been a US firm
Absolutely he would have
,,, big bidness ,, baaadddd!!!
Repeat after me
"obscene profits"
"corporate greed"
147 | The Left Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:40:13am |
re: #140 Killgore Trout
The NYT has a long piece on them and their past. They remind me of the Columbine killers.
From Wayward Teenagers to Terror Suspects
One was a spoiled child so prone to fits of rage — fights, screamed insults, threats — that his parents began taking him to psychiatrists at age 6 and medicating him in a vain struggle to control his moods. By their count, his short fuse and incendiary tongue forced him to change schools no fewer than 10 times.
The other was arrested three times in less than four months for petty crimes, and seemed like an aimless youth — until he developed a passion for a strict version of Islam that shocked and alienated his Dominican family. Within a few years, he was posting extremist views on the Internet and assailing the United States while predicting its downfall.
Basically, nasty little rageballs, one of whom (as in the Columbine case) is quite possibly a sociopath.
The Atlantic has a great piece as well which is more general:
The Case for Calling Them Nitwits
They blow each other up by mistake. They bungle even simple schemes. They get intimate with cows and donkeys. Our terrorist enemies trade on the perception that they’re well trained and religiously devout, but in fact, many are fools and perverts who are far less organized and sophisticated than we imagine. Can being more realistic about who our foes actually are help us stop the truly dangerous ones?
I think what we've been seeing is what someone in the Wilson Quarterly wrote about last year-- the collapse of global jihad and the shift to fighting local jihad, which means assorted losers, loners, and freaks. Which is both good news and bad news: the collapse of global jihad is good, but local jihad requires different strategy and tactics on our part, and success may be difficult to quantify:
In combating terrorism, therefore, quantity matters as much as quality. But some numbers matter more than others. How many additional American and European troops are sent to Afghanistan matters less than the number of terrorist plots that don’t happen. Success will be found subtly in statistics, in data curves that slope down or level off, not in one particular action, one capitulation, or even one leader’s death. It will be marked not by military campaigns and other events but by decisions not taken and attacks not launched. Because participation in the holy war in both its local and global forms is an individual decision, these choices have to be the unit of analysis, and influencing them must be the goal of policy and strategy. As in crime prevention, measuring success—how many potential terrorists did not join an armed group or commit a terrorist act—is nearly impossible. Success against Islamic militancy may wear a veil.
148 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:41:12am |
re: #147 iceweasel
If "stupid" were to become a valid defense our prisons would be empty within a week!
149 | Stonemason Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:41:34am |
re: #145 Stonemason
And nw I am disgusted that I linked to ITS...right after they claim to be non-violent they stat to defend the taliban.
150 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:42:28am |
re: #139 ralphieboy
Dead thread. You guys been getting into Hildegard's stash again?
fffffffffpppp ... *cough* ... *cough* ... uh, no.
/want some?
151 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:42:52am |
re: #149 Stonemason
And nw I am disgusted that I linked to ITS...right after they claim to be non-violent they stat to defend the taliban.
TRANSLATION
WE are non-violent ,,, but we don't mind that others are violent!
plausible deniability !
152 | lawhawk Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:45:40am |
re: #140 Killgore Trout
A girlfriend of Alessa claims that the trip was actually so that they can get married.
The girlfriend, who identified herself as 19-year-old Siham Abedar, said in an interview in Alessa’s living room that Egypt was his final destination, even though authorities say he intended to join up with a terrorist group in Somalia.“I know it’s not true,” Abedar said through a black veil. “I know he wanted to get married. He wanted to have kids. He wanted to do a lot of things. That doesn’t fit with that life, that kind of life they are explaining, that he wanted to do jihad or whatever.”
Abedar described Alessa as a kind, devout Muslim who liked to work out at a gym and care for his cat, Princess Tuna. A woman present at the 81st Street home, who would identify herself only as Alessa’s mother, said the 20-year-old man pleaded with her to take his beloved pet with him to Egypt. He also packed lots of candy, she said.
Meanwhile, a new study by the London School of Economics finds that Pakistan's ISI is funding the Taliban. That's still more confirmation of the links between the ISI and various terror outfits in the region.
153 | Digital Display Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:54:20am |
I just turned the World Cup back on.. I missed 60 minutes of the ALG-SVN game.. The score is still nil-nil..
Guess I didn't miss much...
Good Morning Lizards!
154 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:55:08am |
re: #153 HoosierHoops
Morning, Hoops. Howzit hangin' bro?
155 | Digital Display Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:57:09am |
re: #154 Gang of One
Morning, Hoops. Howzit hangin' bro?
Good Morning! I'm doing great today..
Hope you are well..
I got the results back from my Doctor the other day
I tested positive for genius!
Who knew?
*wink*
156 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:57:12am |
re: #147 iceweasel
From the Atlantic....
Can being more realistic about who our foes actually are help us stop the truly dangerous ones?
I think it's a real mistake to think the nitwits aren't dangerous. If we had broken up the 9-11 plot it would look silly and we'd think they'd never be able to pull it off. We laugh about the underwear bomber but if he'd been lucky enough to get a proper explosive it would have been very deadly.
There isn't much difference between the fools and the killers. They are often the same people.
157 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:57:31am |
re: #153 HoosierHoops
I just turned the World Cup back on.. I missed 60 minutes of the ALG-SVN game.. The score is still nil-nil..
Guess I didn't miss much...
Good Morning Lizards!
I know that was tongue in cheek, but actually you did
There were some good chances and some pretty set ups
((sorry ,,, been a 'soccer dad" for a long time and have come to appreciate the little things in the game))
158 | Digital Display Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:58:52am |
re: #157 sattv4u2
I know that was tongue in cheek, but actually you did
There were some good chances and some pretty set ups
((sorry ,,, been a 'soccer dad" for a long time and have come to appreciate the little things in the game))
It's pretty bad when I start talking about back line defense at the water cooler.
159 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:59:36am |
re: #156 Killgore Trout
From the Atlantic...
I think it's a real mistake to think the nitwits aren't dangerous. If we had broken up the 9-11 plot it would look silly and we'd think they'd never be able to pull it off. We laugh about the underwear bomber but if he'd been lucky enough to get a proper explosive it would have been very deadly.
There isn't much difference between the fools and the killers. They are often the same people.
spot on ,, hence #148
Stupid does NOT mean not dangerous/ruthless/cunning/deadly
160 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:00:09am |
I have question: Why is England's flag shown on the World Cup sites as the Cross of St. George and not the Union Jack?
162 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:00:50am |
re: #158 HoosierHoops
It's pretty bad when I start talking about back line defense at the water cooler.
heh ,, Algerian player just got a red card
he should have gotten one for that haircut alone!!
163 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:01:17am |
re: #160 Gang of One
I have question: Why is England's flag shown on the World Cup sites as the Cross of St. George and not the Union Jack?
I was wondering the same thing yesterday when they came on the field
164 | Digital Display Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:02:13am |
re: #162 sattv4u2
heh ,, Algerian player just got a red card
he should have gotten one for that haircut alone!!
Wouldn't it be cool if they could red card in Football?
Sorry.. No more tight end for you boys...
165 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:02:48am |
and the world yawns
[Link: www.boston.com...]
Ethnic riots spread in Kyrgyzstan
Ethnic Uzbeks gathered near the Kyrgyz-Uzbek border in southern Kyrgyzstan yesterday to seek refuge from mobs of Kyrgyz men attacking the minority Uzbek community
166 | Boogberg Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:02:49am |
I swear, some cable channels have become damn near unwatchable. Early this morning, I tried to watch a movie on Spike. They would show 7 to 10 minutes of the movie followed by 5(!) minutes of promos and commercials. I actually timed it to be sure.
167 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:03:38am |
re: #163 sattv4u2
I was wondering the same thing yesterday when they came on the field
Does it have anything to do with maybe it is England playing, and not a team made up of players from Northern Ireland and Scotland?
168 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:03:49am |
re: #164 HoosierHoops
Wouldn't it be cool if they could red card in Football?
Sorry.. No more tight end for you boys...
PacMan Jones wouldn't play a quarter per game !
169 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:04:39am |
RS McCain and Gates of Vienna are worried about Paypals dumping Crazy Pam. Bigots are getting nervous.
170 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:04:43am |
re: #167 Gang of One
Does it have anything to do with maybe it is England playing, and not a team made up of players from Northern Ireland and Scotland?
DUNNO ,,hence the "I was wondering the same thing"!!!
171 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:04:54am |
re: #166 Boogberg
I swear, some cable channels have become damn near unwatchable. Early this morning, I tried to watch a movie on Spike. They would show 7 to 10 minutes of the movie followed by 5(!) minutes of promos and commercials. I actually timed it to be sure.
Yah, that's how they stretch a 100-minute movie over three hours of air time. It sux.
172 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:05:45am |
re: #170 sattv4u2
DUNNO ,,hence the "I was wondering the same thing"!!!
So much for my mad comprehenshun skilz, aye?
173 | The Left Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:06:16am |
re: #147 iceweasel
This is also from that NYT article:
At the two public high schools, North Bergen and KAS Prep, Mr. Alessa made an escalating series of threats against students and staff members through 2005 and 2006, saying that he would blow up the school, mutilate gays and punish women who were not subordinate to men, according to officials granted anonymity to discuss confidential matters. Both schools alerted the Department of Homeland Security.
As a 10th grader at North Bergen High, he had to receive his lessons at a local public library under the eye of a security guard, said Paul Swibinski, a school spokesman, because “administrators felt that his presence in school posed a safety threat to other students and staff.”
That guy has been on a watch list since he was 16, obviously for good reason.
This might sound sick, but we're probably lucky they decided to turn ineptly to jihad and get busted. This guy is definitely the type to shoot up or bomb his school even if he hadn't turned jihadi.
Like I said, Columbine. Which is also probably as good a place as any to remind people that one of the original plans of the Columbine killers was to hijack a plane and fly it into the WTC.
In the article linked above the FBI concluded that Eric Harris was a psychopath and was capable of far more damage than they achieved (indeed, they intended the slaughter to be much worse but their pipe bombs failed: they intended to wait in the parking lot til the bombs went off, shoot down the people who survived the bombing as they fled, and murder all law enforcement and emergency personnel who responded.) The FBI said that as bad as Columbine was, in a few years Harris would have been much more dangerous and capable of god knows what.
If these two guys from Jersey hadn't gotten the attention of DHS and had confined their fuckwittery to us shores, who knows what they could have gotten away with.
174 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:06:58am |
re: #166 Boogberg
I swear, some cable channels have become damn near unwatchable. Early this morning, I tried to watch a movie on Spike. They would show 7 to 10 minutes of the movie followed by 5(!) minutes of promos and commercials. I actually timed it to be sure.
I gave up on tv a while ago. The commercials are just too long and frequent and I don't have the attention span to actually make it through a show anymore. It take an hour to watch 40 minutes of program. I watch stuff on Hulu or download torrents.
175 | Digital Display Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:07:47am |
re: #169 Killgore Trout
RS McCain and Gates of Vienna are worried about Paypals dumping Crazy Pam. Bigots are getting nervous.
I was surprised by that...I never read Pam before but she must really be a bigot to lose paypal support..
The stalker blog should be worried now...
176 | What, me worry? Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:07:57am |
re: #169 Killgore Trout
RS McCain and Gates of Vienna are worried about Paypals dumping Crazy Pam. Bigots are getting nervous.
As well they should!!
Good morning, ya'll, btw :)
I was looking at that article and thinking, what 19 yr old walks around in a black bag? How much do you have to hate yourself to wear such a thing? I don't know if these women should be scolded or pitied.
177 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:09:41am |
re: #169 Killgore Trout
RS McCain and Gates of Vienna are worried about Paypals dumping Crazy Pam. Bigots are getting nervous.
Maybe they should set up their own on-line payment business. What could they call it?
178 | The Left Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:10:01am |
re: #156 Killgore Trout
From the Atlantic...
I think it's a real mistake to think the nitwits aren't dangerous. If we had broken up the 9-11 plot it would look silly and we'd think they'd never be able to pull it off. We laugh about the underwear bomber but if he'd been lucky enough to get a proper explosive it would have been very deadly.
There isn't much difference between the fools and the killers. They are often the same people.
I think the Atlantic is spot-on about using their ineptness as propaganda, though. The more they're reviled and mocked rather than feared, the less 'noble' their cause and actions seem to those who might otherwise be inspired or recruited.
This doesn't mean stepping down on law enforcement or security in any way, of course.
179 | Gus Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:10:09am |
re: #177 MandyManners
Maybe they should set up their own on-line payment business. What could they call it?
HatePal™
180 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:10:16am |
re: #177 MandyManners
Maybe they should set up their own on-line payment business. What could they call it?
Extortion.
181 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:10:34am |
re: #175 HoosierHoops
I was surprised by that...I never read Pam before but she must really be a bigot to lose paypal support..
The stalker blog should be worried now...
She aligned with European neo-Nazi parties a few years ago, this has been in the works for a very long time. We here at LGF set off the alarm about where the counter Jihad blogs were headed but nobody wanted to listen.
182 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:11:08am |
re: #177 MandyManners
Maybe they should set up their own on-line payment business. What could they call it?
MoneyFromStupidPeople
184 | Gus Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:15:54am |
re: #183 iceweasel
Heh.
You know. I'm wondering if this isn't all bogus. She still has the Pay Pal buttons up. I just clicked on one and it leads to the contributions page for Pay Pal. She hasn't even pulled those yet as she claims to have been demanded of her.
185 | RogueOne Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:16:31am |
re: #35 freetoken
Here is what I think has gone on, from a preliminary search:
Two people affiliated with the Los Angeles branch of the NAACP held a news conference to complain about the card. Whatever chip they have on their shoulder, it looks a bit silly from an outsider's perspective. Anyway, KTLA covered it, provided some video. That was on June 3. It was picked up a few other legit news outlets
From there thousands of sites/bloggers who have a chip on their shoulder about the NAACP try to make hay out of the situation, over the following 9 days. From ProteinWisdom to HotAir, and finally to Fox (yesterday), covering this as some sort of "news."
Even searching the LA NAACP website brings up nothing, and as I said above neither does the national NAACP site. Go ahead and double check me - I may have missed something.
My preliminary conclusion is that what was a minor bit of confusion/silliness/poor-thinking by a couple of misguided souls turns out to be a roast-the-Black-organization by the wingnut-o-sphere.
1. It was 9 people, led by their chapter president, on June 2, check the video. [Link: abclocal.go.com...]
2. Don't protect stupidity and general craziness just because you might happen to like the organization. There isn't any defense for this that doesn't smell of partisanship. You didn't notice you managed to turn their ignorance into a political attack on the right? This isn't about right or left, this is about 9 old morons who need hearing aids and a sense of humor. The head of my towns local NAACP chapter here is a former neighbor who is a very good guy. He also seems to have more important issues on his plate other than Black Holes.
OTOH, it's nice to see that the black community in LA doesn't have any other pressing problems so they can rally against graduation cards.
186 | What, me worry? Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:17:15am |
re: #184 Gus 802
You know. I'm wondering if this isn't all bogus. She still has the Pay Pal buttons up. I just clicked on one and it leads to the contributions page for Pay Pal. She hasn't even pulled those yet as she claims to have been demanded of her.
I think she was given a cut-off date to remove the hate or remove their service.
188 | Digital Display Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:19:38am |
189 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:20:12am |
190 | Gus Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:20:14am |
re: #186 marjoriemoon
I think she was given a cut-off date to remove the hate or remove their service.
Oh, OK.
191 | Boogberg Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:20:31am |
re: #174 Killgore Trout
I gave up on tv a while ago. The commercials are just too long and frequent and I don't have the attention span to actually make it through a show anymore. It take an hour to watch 40 minutes of program. I watch stuff on Hulu or download torrents.
Yeah they completely wreck the entertainment experience. It has gotten ridiculous over the past few years. Then you have AMC flashing those stupid fucking promos DURING the show.
192 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:23:01am |
re: #184 Gus 802
You know. I'm wondering if this isn't all bogus. She still has the Pay Pal buttons up. I just clicked on one and it leads to the contributions page for Pay Pal. She hasn't even pulled those yet as she claims to have been demanded of her.
she must remove all PayPal logos and forms from her over-the-top anti-Muslim sites atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com, sioaonline.com, and freedomdefense.typepad.com.
Don't know which of her sites you looked at, but the "remove" order is for specific sites. Are the logos still on those sites?
193 | RogueOne Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:24:13am |
re: #174 Killgore Trout
I gave up on tv a while ago. The commercials are just too long and frequent and I don't have the attention span to actually make it through a show anymore. It take an hour to watch 40 minutes of program. I watch stuff on Hulu or download torrents.
I DVR just about everything I'm going to watch just to skip through the commercials. Anyone else notice how every show seems to have a short sad song/montage at the end of every episode?
194 | Gus Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:25:03am |
re: #192 sattv4u2
she must remove all PayPal logos and forms from her over-the-top anti-Muslim sites atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com, sioaonline.com, and freedomdefense.typepad.com.
Don't know which of her sites you looked at, but the "remove" order is for specific sites. Are the logos still on those sites?
All three. Just checked two more and they're all working, or linking to the Pay Pal page.
195 | What, me worry? Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:26:14am |
re: #190 Gus 802
Oh, OK.
If I recall, the letter she posted gave a date.
Of course, if she were to remove the hate, her site would look like this:
"Hi, I'm Pam."
196 | The Left Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:27:42am |
re: #184 Gus 802
You know. I'm wondering if this isn't all bogus. She still has the Pay Pal buttons up. I just clicked on one and it leads to the contributions page for Pay Pal. She hasn't even pulled those yet as she claims to have been demanded of her.
Who knows with Geller. She's probably sleeping off last night's binge-- vodka with a hate chaser.
I think as marjorie said, she has some window for compliance before they'll yank her.
PayPal (like hosting companies) doesn't want to actively drive customers away, so they typically give the siteowner some time to bring the site into compliance with the TOS after they notice a violation. (I think the only exceptions are sites that are criminal: child porn, e.g.)
Of course no matter how hateful (or even illegal), a site can always find hosting somewhere, and some way for cretins to send them money.
197 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:27:51am |
This should be read by every congressperson!
[Link: www.boston.com...]
Firms pass taxes to consumers
Politicians all seem to have the belief that companies pay taxes as if companies fabricate cash out of thin air,,,
Perhaps if we required one to have a real job in the private sector before running for office, we could elect more responsible and competent legislators
198 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:28:26am |
re: #194 Gus 802
All three. Just checked two more and they're all working, or linking to the Pay Pal page.
Thanks ,, well ,, as someone said upthread, there may be a cut off date that hasn't been reached yet
199 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:29:51am |
In the week that the UN Security Council imposed a new round of sanctions on Tehran, defence sources in the Gulf say that Riyadh has agreed to allow Israel to use a narrow corridor of its airspace in the north of the country to shorten the distance for a bombing run on Iran.
To ensure the Israeli bombers pass unmolested, Riyadh has carried out tests to make certain its own jets are not scrambled and missile defence systems not activated. Once the Israelis are through, the kingdom’s air defences will return to full alert.
SNIP
200 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:30:04am |
re: #195 marjoriemoon
If I recall, the letter she posted gave a date.
Of course, if she were to remove the hate, her site would look like this:
"Hi, I'm Pam."
If the hate was gone, maybe she could drive traffic by going topless along with the "Hi, I'm Pam"
201 | What, me worry? Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:32:07am |
re: #200 sattv4u2
If the hate was gone, maybe she could drive traffic by going topless along with the "Hi, I'm Pam"
lol I'm sure she's considered it!
202 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:33:40am |
re: #201 marjoriemoon
lol I'm sure she's considered it!
Well ,, truth be told,,, I've only looked at her site once
I'm willing to give it another look IF that happened !!
//(well ,, maybe several looks!!))
203 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:34:20am |
re: #199 MandyManners
re: #137 ryannon
Iz not tru. (Apparently) dubunked on the news links above.
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
Probably untrue. Why telescope this to ShortShit?
204 | Gus Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:34:45am |
re: #196 iceweasel
Who knows with Geller. She's probably sleeping off last night's binge-- vodka with a hate chaser.
I think as marjorie said, she has some window for compliance before they'll yank her.
PayPal (like hosting companies) doesn't want to actively drive customers away, so they typically give the siteowner some time to bring the site into compliance with the TOS after they notice a violation. (I think the only exceptions are sites that are criminal: child porn, e.g.)Of course no matter how hateful (or even illegal), a site can always find hosting somewhere, and some way for cretins to send them money.
They have another rule that you can't make money off of a crime. Well, I guess this is her problem. She brought it upon herself by taking the low road. A real pro wouldn't have advertised this for the world. In fact she even gave Pay Pal even more evidence that she's a loon by doing so.
205 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:36:10am |
re: #203 Gang of One
Probably untrue. Why telescope this to ShortShit?
If I were either a Saudi or Israeli official I'd deny it whether or not it's been discussed and/ or agreed too
206 | Gus Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:37:16am |
Dear readers. Pay Pal is canceling my account because they think this is a hate site. Please send hate email to Pay Pal voicing your opposition to this decision. Please be as hateful as possible to convince them that this is not a hate site.
Be particularly rude to anyone with foreign sounding names at Pay Pal.
//
207 | What, me worry? Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:37:56am |
re: #205 sattv4u2
If I were either a Saudi or Israeli official I'd deny it whether or not it's been discussed and/ or agreed too
Sounds like one of those nod-nod, wink-wink, nudge-nudge kinda things?
208 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:38:14am |
re: #203 Gang of One
Probably untrue. Why telescope this to ShortShit?
He knows this is coming. The only questions are the date and time.
209 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:39:06am |
re: #205 sattv4u2
If I were either a Saudi or Israeli official I'd deny it whether or not it's been discussed and/ or agreed too
Makes sense ... keep them guessing.
210 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:39:27am |
re: #208 MandyManners
He knows this is coming. The only questions are the date and time.
I think you may be right, Mandy.
211 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:39:56am |
re: #160 Gang of One
I have question: Why is England's flag shown on the World Cup sites as the Cross of St. George and not the Union Jack?
Because the Union Jack is the flag of the United Kindon, which comprises Rngland, Scotland Wales and northern Ireland) made up of the combined flags of England (red cross on white background), Scotland (diagonal white cross on blue background) and Wales (diagonal red cross on white background).
I remember my Scottish wife pointing out a similar error on some McDonald's advertising in 2002 (using the Union Jack for England).
212 | Gus Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:41:11am |
I need a nap. Ergo to sleep.
Later Ice.
Later folks...
214 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:41:45am |
215 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:42:55am |
re: #214 MandyManners
I just hope BHO gets out of the way.
Covertly, no doubt. But what would POTUS say for public consumption?
216 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:43:43am |
re: #178 iceweasel
I think the Atlantic is spot-on about using their ineptness as propaganda, though. The more they're reviled and mocked rather than feared, the less 'noble' their cause and actions seem to those who might otherwise be inspired or recruited.
This doesn't mean stepping down on law enforcement or security in any way, of course.
"Willing to kill oneself in order to kill other innocent people" falls well within my definition of "stupid" but still within the definition of "dangerous".
Let us not forget the Times Square nitwit and how at least his stupidity overrode his dangerousness and resulted in nobody getting hurt.
217 | RogueOne Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:43:52am |
re: #215 Gang of One
Covertly, no doubt. But what would POTUS say for public consumption?
"Israel Who?"
218 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:44:33am |
219 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:44:39am |
re: #177 MandyManners
Maybe they should set up their own on-line payment business. What could they call it?
You could just send her a chicken. I always keep one in my trousers just in case I encounter a cause I support (or need medical attention).
220 | The Left Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:45:24am |
re: #194 Gus 802
All three. Just checked two more and they're all working, or linking to the Pay Pal page.
From the letter she got it looks like she has until the 17th:
In order to comply with the Acceptable Use Policy and avoid the limitation
or closure of your account, you will need to:1. Remove PayPal as a payment option, as well as all references to
PayPal, including the PayPal logo and/or shopping cart, from your
website(s), [Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]2. Submit the online Acceptable Use Policy affidavit.
To appeal your limitation, login to your account and select the "ResolutionCenter" link. On the next page select the "Resolve" button(s) located inthe Steps to Provide More Information section and follow the applicableinstructions.
This is not intended to be an all-inclusive review or list of your Internetsites in violation. Furthermore, the violations of the Policy describedabove are not intended to be an all-inclusive list. It is the
responsibility of the user to ensure that all transactions comply with theAcceptable Use Policy.For more information about the status of your account, please log in to
your PayPal account.We encourage you to login and return your account to good standing as soon
as possible. Failure to respond by 6/17/2010 will result in the further
escalation of this issue.
Since she hasn't removed the links, she's failing to comply with the letter.
My guess is that this is deliberate--she's going to ineptly force them to close her account by refusing to comply with their TOS or go through the appeal process-- thus ensuring lots of foamy posts to come from her, lots of attention from her fellow haters in the wingnutsphere and an outrageous outrage.
Instead of say, contacting paypal and appealing, she's urging people to attack paypal. some of that response is just Pammy being Pammy (e.g., stupid, ragefilled, prone to incitement and shrieking first asking questions later), but I'm certain some of it is another shriek for attention. Oh, and traffic and links.
221 | Digital Display Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:46:34am |
re: #220 iceweasel
Hi Ice! Hope you and Jimmah are well today
222 | The Left Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:47:01am |
re: #212 Gus 802
I need a nap. Ergo to sleep.
Later Ice.
Later folks...
Later, cutie! Always a pleasure.
Have fun all. Off to Central Park with Jimmah! (if it doesn't rain)
223 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:47:01am |
224 | The Left Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:48:44am |
re: #221 HoosierHoops
Hi Ice! Hope you and Jimmah are well today
Just great! Almost out the door. Jimmah was delighted that the US tied England, btw. :)
Love to you and Winston! (we'll call you later i think.)
*smooch*
225 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:50:00am |
re: #220 iceweasel
whatamImissng!?!?
from the letter
Failure to respond by 6/17/2010 will result in the further
escalation of this issue.
from your response
Since she hasn't removed the links, she's failing to comply with the letter
It's not the 17th yet
I am in NO way defending her. I'm asking if I'm missing something. I've been awake for 20 straight hours ,, the last 12 of which at work, so I'm a tad groggy!
227 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:50:44am |
re: #215 Gang of One
Covertly, no doubt. But what would POTUS say for public consumption?
What *can* he say?
228 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:51:48am |
re: #219 ralphieboy
You could just send her a chicken. I always keep one in my trousers just in case I encounter a cause I support (or need medical attention).
Just don't choke it.
229 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:52:11am |
230 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:52:30am |
231 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:52:55am |
Morning, fellow lizards. What's the good word?
232 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:53:44am |
K all ,, the long quiet drive home awaits
GO CELTICS
233 | Digital Display Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:54:45am |
234 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:56:15am |
235 | What, me worry? Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:57:40am |
re: #225 sattv4u2
whatamImissng!?!?
from the letter
Failure to respond by 6/17/2010 will result in the further
escalation of this issue.from your response
Since she hasn't removed the links, she's failing to comply with the letterIt's not the 17th yet
I am in NO way defending her. I'm asking if I'm missing something. I've been awake for 20 straight hours ,, the last 12 of which at work, so I'm a tad groggy!
Well yea, she has until the 17th, until which time she'll shriek and rant and then eventually go out and get a P.O. Box. Good on, Paypal for sure, but I don't think it's going to stop her from being her.
236 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:57:47am |
re: #234 MandyManners
Why won't we give Israel passage over Iraq?
It would probably give the Iraqis a reason to rage.
238 | Sionainn Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:58:54am |
re: #220 iceweasel
Instead of say, contacting paypal and appealing, she's urging people to attack paypal. some of that response is just Pammy being Pammy (e.g., stupid, ragefilled, prone to incitement and shrieking first asking questions later), but I'm certain some of it is another shriek for attention. Oh, and traffic and links.
The funny thing is that all her supporters are going to get from Paypal is a form letter. This is what I got from them when I sent them an e-mail supporting their decision.
"PayPal cannot discuss the specifics of any other PayPal account with you
due to our strict privacy policy. The owner of the PayPal account can
click the "Contact Us" link at the bottom of the PayPal webpage and
contact us to resolve the negative balance or issues with their PayPal
account.
If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us again.
Sincerely,
Deb
PayPal, Acceptable Use Policy Department
PayPal, an eBay Company "
That should tick them off royally. hehehe
239 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:59:18am |
re: #231 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Morning, fellow lizards. What's the good word?
For the non-believers, it's bird. Your text to link...
240 | Digital Display Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:59:25am |
The Little green football prayer list
This day in History…
On this day in 1966, the Supreme Court hands down its decision in Miranda v. Arizona, establishing the principle that all criminal suspects must be advised of their rights before interrogation.
Lord Almighty we pray this morning for the nation of Israel. Hold up their Navy and give them Strength and wisdom. We pray this morning that you grant grace to the men and women serving in the IDF. Hold your people in your strong arms Dear Lord and protect them forever.
We pray today for the Gulf Coast of America and for all those whose lives are affected by the oil spill. We pray for the environment that is being damaged.
We pray for Roi this morning…Because of the Oil spill he may be out of work.. Find him work we pray.
We pray for our Veterans today. [Link: www.drumhike.com...]
Obdicut: My friend Pam, who's ovarian cancer has returned. She's going into chemo again. And she believes in the power of prayer.
Dark_Falcon: His Mother had a stroke..She is getting better.. Please heal her Lord
Jadespring: Dear Lord bring healing to a Sister.. Bring grace and strength to the Family.
We pray for your tender mercies
Wlewisiii: If you would pray as appropriate to your beliefs for John Freuh, his step-mother, my sister Elisabeth & his father Rick, I'd appreciate it.
Dear Lord..We ask you this day you bring healing and grace to SFZ’s Father and Mother-in-law..
Help her in the Job search and finding her a new Career. .
We know your love brings healing and life.
Dear Lord..We pray for SFZ this morning:
Her friend of a friend has a newborn son facing some bad medical issues. Prayers for Grant, son of Jill and Steven, are greatly appreciated.
Ausador: Parents
Irenicum: Lord heal this family and bring comfort to them..
Guanxi88: Best wishes and lizard mojo to my wife's best friend. her father committed suicide not two weeks after her mother succumbed to cancer.
Reine: Health and Family.. Lord we ask you grant Reine’s Daughter a Special blessing..Look after her and grant grace.
gregb - 4 year old son who suffered a head injury last Friday and spent the
weekend in the ICU with some lingering effects all week.Jadespring: Our prayers go out to your sister…May she be healed
Baseballmom57: My God grant grace and healing to her son…
lurking faith… prayers for an aunt
Beekiller: Sister has been diagnosed with Cancer…We pray for a speedy recovery
FBV: Add my friend Jeff. Recently diagnosed with ALS. His family will watch him fade and die over the next three to five years. Wife and two kids (kids are young adults).
Prairiefire: Health for Family and friends
Mcspiff: if you could add my uncle to the list. He went in for surgery today and it didn't go so well. Extra organs had to come out, etc. Still just hearing bits and pieces now. But any prayers would be greatly appreciated.
Alouette’ Dear Father..His name in Hebrew is Pinhas ben Rivka. , and he is in congestive heart failure. He is 91 years old, and a WW2 Pacific vet.
Reloadingisnotahobby: Could add my parents?
They're in their 80's and slipping in to ALZ...Simultaneously
Lizard prayers for Beau Biden.
We pray for all our Troops who have died protecting our Freedom.. Comfort the families Dear Lord this morning…
Give strength to all our Armed Forces serving at home or abroad …America thanks you.
God Bless President Obama and his family…
God Bless Israel.. Continue to bless her with prosperity and strength…The land of Milk and Honey…
Thank you Lord..
Amen
241 | The Left Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:59:36am |
re: #225 sattv4u2
whatamImissng!?!?
from the letter
Failure to respond by 6/17/2010 will result in the further
escalation of this issue.from your response
Since she hasn't removed the links, she's failing to comply with the letterIt's not the 17th yet
I am in NO way defending her. I'm asking if I'm missing something. I've been awake for 20 straight hours ,, the last 12 of which at work, so I'm a tad groggy!
Right, she has til the 17th to comply with the letter. So far she isn't complying or showing the signs of a normal person-- which would be to sign their affadavit, lodge an appeal, etc..
PayPal says 'the matter will escalate' after the 17th, meaning 'limitation or closure of your account'.
My guess is that Pammy is just going to keep posting about it rather than, you know, complying or acting like a normal person. I expect she'll keep hysterically blogging about it instead.
243 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:00:18am |
re: #236 Gang of One
It would probably give the Iraqis a reason to rage.
Why? They'd be taking out a hated enemy. They have more reasons to hate Iran than Saudi Arabia.
Oh, wait. I was using logic. Nevermind.
244 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:00:24am |
Gotta drive 400 miles today. Anybody wanna come?
245 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:01:00am |
re: #234 MandyManners
Why won't we give Israel passage over Iraq?
Because technically, it's not our country anymore. If the Iraqi gov't says "shoot them down," then we have little choice but to do as they say.
246 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:01:13am |
re: #244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Gotta drive 400 miles today. Anybody wanna come?
Will there be beer?
247 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:01:53am |
re: #243 MandyManners
Why? They'd be taking out a hated enemy. They have more reasons to hate Iran than Saudi Arabia.
Oh, wait. I was using logic. Nevermind.
The enemy-of-my-enemy thing.
248 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:02:15am |
249 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:02:17am |
re: #245 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Because technically, it's not our country anymore. If the Iraqi gov't says "shoot them down," then we have little choice but to do as they say.
But, we're the occupiers. Surely that counts for something.
Well, it would be rude, I suppose. Worse than using the wrong fork at dinner.
250 | Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:02:23am |
re: #244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Gotta drive 400 miles today. Anybody wanna come?
Is there pie involved?
251 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:02:52am |
re: #228 MandyManners
Just don't choke it.
I leave my fly open so it can poke its head out for fresh air...
252 | OldnGrumpy Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:02:52am |
Oh yeah....almost missed this one
253 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:03:13am |
254 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:03:37am |
255 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:03:37am |
re: #249 MandyManners
But, we're the occupiers. Surely that counts for something.
Well, it would be rude, I suppose. Worse than using the wrong fork at dinner.
Yeah, on paper, we're the occupying force. In practice, if the boys in Baghdad say "Jump," then the boys in D.C. are going to say "Jump," and the boys in the F-16s are gonna jump.
256 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:04:13am |
257 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:04:16am |
258 | Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:05:12am |
re: #252 OldnGrumpy
I would downding you for the Family Guy clip, but I don't play that way. Instead:
259 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:05:44am |
re: #255 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah, on paper, we're the occupying force. In practice, if the boys in Baghdad say "Jump," then the boys in D.C. are going to say "Jump," and the boys in the F-16s are gonna jump.
re: #256 Gang of One
Yah. Pretty convoluted, neh?
Ahhh, those entangling alliances. I sometimes wonder if Jefferson was right but, I don't think he envisioned such a world as we have now.
260 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:07:34am |
re: #259 MandyManners
Ahhh, those entangling alliances. I sometimes wonder if Jefferson was right but, I don't think he envisioned such a world as we have now.
I don't think Jefferson envisaged a day when the world would look to America for international ass-kicking and redecorating. I think he considered it a good run if America came out as England's equal.
261 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:07:42am |
re: #259 MandyManners
Ahhh, those entangling alliances. I sometimes wonder if Jefferson was right but, I don't think he envisioned such a world as we have now.
Washington, as well. Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.
262 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:07:59am |
re: #258 Mad Al-Jaffee
I would downding you for the Family Guy clip, but I don't play that way. Instead:
[Video]
I believe Jimmy Carter would call this "The Moral Equivalent of a Downding"
263 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:08:31am |
re: #260 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I don't think Jefferson envisaged a day when the world would look to America for international ass-kicking and redecorating. I think he considered it a good run if America came out as England's equal.
We did, yesterday 1 - 1.
//I know ...
264 | firstinla Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:08:55am |
re: #255 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
As I understand "the understanding" a narrow air corridor would be opened that includes Jordan, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. Of course that corridor will probably be only the width of a jet's wingspan and should a jet fly outside the corridor it would be considered a provocation and the jet shot down. I don't think the Saudis are mellowing in their hatred of Israel.
265 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:09:50am |
re: #260 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I don't think Jefferson envisaged a day when the world would look to America for international ass-kicking and redecorating. I think he considered it a good run if America came out as England's equal.
He also would not imagine America dependent on feudal monarchies for its vital resources. he had this notion of self-sufficient citizens in a self-sufficient country.
That was the basic premise behind the sort of freedoms he advocated. Once we toss out the self-sufficiency, we have to open ourself to compromises, a lot of shich are often rather unsavory.
266 | sandbox Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:10:07am |
re: #234 MandyManners
Because Obama needs more time to allow his ineffective diplomacy to fail.
267 | OldnGrumpy Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:11:37am |
re: #258 Mad Al-Jaffee
Awww,I like negative numbers,especially the square root of -2
268 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:12:43am |
re: #264 firstinla
As I understand "the understanding" a narrow air corridor would be opened that includes Jordan, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. Of course that corridor will probably be only the width of a jet's wingspan and should a jet fly outside the corridor it would be considered a provocation and the jet shot down. I don't think the Saudis are mellowing in their hatred of Israel.
Personally, I'm surprised they're being so open in their support of Israel, at least where it concerns turning Iran's nuke program into rubble. Methinks they're building up karma for use later down the road, if not already in talks.
269 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:13:20am |
Intelligence agents arrived at a home owned by Guillermo Zuloaga seeking to arrest him and one of his sons Friday night, but their whereabouts were unknown, defense lawyer Perla Jaimes said.
Zuloaga is president and majority shareholder of Globovision, the country's only remaining channel on the airwaves that is stridently opposed to Chavez.
A court issued the warrant for the businessman and his son, also named Guillermo, citing accusations of illegally keeping 24 new Toyota sport-utility vehicles stored at a home owned by Zuloaga, Attorney General Luisa Ortega said. Zuloaga and his son are charged with usury and conspiracy.
Zuloaga has denied wrongdoing, saying the charges were trumped up in an attempt to intimidate him. Police and soldiers raided his property and found the vehicles in May 2009, but there had been little action in the case for months.
The arrest warrant came a week after Chavez publicly lamented that Zuloaga remained free.
"They caught that man with a bunch of cars in his house and that's a crime - hoarding. And he's free and he has a television channel," Chavez said in a televised speech. He called it a case of "structural weakness" in Venezuela's legal system.
He also is facing other accusations in court, including criminal charges filed earlier this year accusing Zuloaga accusing of making false and offensive remarks about Chavez at a meeting of the Inter American Press Association in Aruba.
SNIP
270 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:14:39am |
re: #269 MandyManners
I wonder if they've bitched about his singing.
271 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:15:45am |
re: #265 ralphieboy
He also would not imagine America dependent on feudal monarchies for its vital resources. he had this notion of self-sufficient citizens in a self-sufficient country.
That was the basic premise behind the sort of freedoms he advocated. Once we toss out the self-sufficiency, we have to open ourself to compromises, a lot of shich are often rather unsavory.
Well, you have to remember that in those days, really up until after World War II, America was pretty self-sufficient for the most part. Wood, coal, iron, food, etc. We imported and exported, same as most any established world power, but when it came down to it, we could go the long haul without both, as we did during the war. It wasn't until after the war, when we realized that them "Ay-rabs" were sitting on a black gold mine that we started convincing them that letting us drill and pump it for them was the way to go.
272 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:15:57am |
re: #260 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I don't think Jefferson envisaged a day when the world would look to America for international ass-kicking and redecorating. I think he considered it a good run if America came out as England's equal.
I wonder what he would think if he were transported in time to today.
273 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:16:37am |
re: #261 Gang of One
Washington, as well. Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.
Trish, you spoke French!
274 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:17:24am |
re: #269 MandyManners
But hey, I'm told that Venezuela is not a communist nation and that the people love Chavez! That he's their democratically elected leader and that any actions he takes is simply to put down the same folks who helped the CIA depose him that one time.
///
275 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:18:15am |
re: #264 firstinla
As I understand "the understanding" a narrow air corridor would be opened that includes Jordan, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. Of course that corridor will probably be only the width of a jet's wingspan and should a jet fly outside the corridor it would be considered a provocation and the jet shot down. I don't think the Saudis are mellowing in their hatred of Israel.
The article states that Saudi jets would not be scrambled. Wouldn't it take them a while to get to the IAF jets?
276 | sandbox Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:19:30am |
re: #268 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
If SA allows IDF fly over to bomb Iran nuke sites, I may have to make an exception for SA women regarding my "Ban the Veil" recommendation for the USA. Hm.........
277 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:19:59am |
re: #271 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Well, you have to remember that in those days, really up until after World War II, America was pretty self-sufficient for the most part. Wood, coal, iron, food, etc. We imported and exported, same as most any established world power, but when it came down to it, we could go the long haul without both, as we did during the war. It wasn't until after the war, when we realized that them "Ay-rabs" were sitting on a black gold mine that we started convincing them that letting us drill and pump it for them was the way to go.
We had the warning shot across our bow in 1973, we have done precious little about it.
278 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:21:06am |
re: #266 sandbox
Because Obama needs more time to allow his ineffective diplomacy to fail.
279 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:21:44am |
re: #268 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Personally, I'm surprised they're being so open in their support of Israel, at least where it concerns turning Iran's nuke program into rubble. Methinks they're building up karma for use later down the road, if not already in talks.
ShortShit scares them shitless.
280 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:23:09am |
re: #279 MandyManners
ShortShit scares them shitless.
The last thing they want is an Islamic Republic to overthrow their cozy little monarchy
281 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:23:23am |
re: #270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I wonder if they've bitched about his singing.
282 | What, me worry? Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:23:27am |
re: #274 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
But hey, I'm told that Venezuela is not a communist nation and that the people love Chavez! That he's their democratically elected leader and that any actions he takes is simply to put down the same folks who helped the CIA depose him that one time.
///
Yep yep, that's why they're all coming to Miami.
Five congressional Republicans Lincoln Diaz-Balart, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Mario Diaz-Balart and Connie Mack of Florida and Jerry Weller of Illinois have asked President Bush to grant temporary legal status to Venezuelans living in the United States illegally."There's no doubt that some people from Venezuela may have very strong claims for asylum," said immigration attorney Ira Kurzban. But "many claims are simply based upon Chavez leading the country toward socialism, which in and of itself is not a basis for asylum," he said.
The Diaz-Balart brothers and Ros-Lehtinen are Republicans (I am not) but I supported them in this 100%.
283 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:26:26am |
re: #274 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
But hey, I'm told that Venezuela is not a communist nation and that the people love Chavez! That he's their democratically elected leader and that any actions he takes is simply to put down the same folks who helped the CIA depose him that one time.
///
I posted a link this Spring about his telling the prols to rise up against the bourgeoisie.
284 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:27:43am |
285 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:27:59am |
re: #277 ralphieboy
We had the warning shot across our bow in 1973, we have done precious little about it.
If you can make heads or tails of our foreign policy post-WWII, you let me know. Personally, I see it as one long "comedy of errors," with us supporting this dictator against that one until our "buddy" decides he's the big fish in the pond, then we start building up his rival to knock him down.
286 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:28:11am |
re: #283 MandyManners
I posted a link this Spring about his telling the prols to rise up against the bourgeoisie.
Like the Saudi Monarch, or Qaddaffi or Saddam Hussein in his day, none of these tinhorn dictators would be in power if not for the money they earn satisfying our oil addiction.
287 | Obdicut Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:29:37am |
re: #285 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
That's a good way of describing it. With every new generation of the CIA/NSA convinced that they can really get it right this time.
288 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:29:41am |
re: #285 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
If you can make heads or tails of our foreign policy post-WWII, you let me know. Personally, I see it as one long "comedy of errors," with us supporting this dictator against that one until our "buddy" decides he's the big fish in the pond, then we start building up his rival to knock him down.
We had it great in the 80's with Iraq fighting Iran, both sides selling their oil at bargain-basement prices, and us having to financial incentive to take to heat any of the warnings we had received in the 1973 embargo.
289 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:30:12am |
re: #283 MandyManners
Chavez rallied the civilian militia at an outdoor speech while marking the anniversary of a failed 2002 coup against him. Organizers estimated about 35,000 militia members in the crowd, which filled a downtown avenue in Caracas.
The president said his opponents would be defeated if they tried another coup, and he vowed to emerge again with a dominant majority in the National Assembly after September elections.
Without giving details, Chavez told the crowd that he believes some people in Venezuela are conspiring to assassinate him.
"If they were to do it ... you know what you would have to do. Simply take all power in Venezuela, absolutely all, sweep away the bourgeoisie from all political and economic spaces, deepen the revolution," he said.
SNIP
290 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:30:27am |
re: #284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
800 miles from Tehran to Riyadh.
I bet they think that's close.
Close enough with drop tanks. Good morning all.
291 | Obdicut Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:30:43am |
re: #276 sandbox
Even if they allow it, Saudi Arabia will still be a foul, oppressive government that suppresses freedom and democracy. It will be a cynical move to allow a religion they hate to be attacked by another religion they hate. It is not in support of Israel.
292 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:30:51am |
re: #280 ralphieboy
The last thing they want is an Islamic Republic to overthrow their cozy little monarchy
Or, nuke Riyadh.
293 | sandbox Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:31:34am |
re: #284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It's probably disinformation. Keep the Mullahs guessing how the operation will go down.
294 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:31:47am |
re: #279 MandyManners
ShortShit scares them shitless.
Same as Saddam did, and the Shah before them. It's like the mob giving us tips and permission to knock off a fast-rising drug dealer in their territory, because it hurts their business. If it weren't for the oil they're sitting on, the oil ticks would have long ago gone the way of disco.
295 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:32:10am |
re: #284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
800 miles from Tehran to Riyadh.
I bet they think that's close.
It is.
296 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:32:53am |
re: #294 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Same as Saddam did, and the Shah before them. It's like the mob giving us tips and permission to knock off a fast-rising drug dealer in their territory, because it hurts their business. If it weren't for the oil they're sitting on, the oil ticks would have long ago gone the way of disco.
It ain't "the oil they're sitting on", it's the revenues they get from selling it to us.
297 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:33:05am |
re: #283 MandyManners
I posted a link this Spring about his telling the prols to rise up against the bourgeoisie.
Man talks a good game, but he's another Castro, another tin dictator who plans to live the high life off the sweat of the workers. The only difference is we long ago lost our appetite for knocking down guys like him, now we polish their shoes and talk about how we'd like them to "moderate" themselves.
298 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:34:03am |
re: #291 Obdicut
Even if they allow it, Saudi Arabia will still be a foul, oppressive government that suppresses freedom and democracy. It will be a cynical move to allow a religion they hate to be attacked by another religion they hate. It is not in support of Israel.
It's better to cover one's ass than to kiss it goodbye.
299 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:34:35am |
300 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:34:38am |
re: #297 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Man talks a good game, but he's another Castro, another tin dictator who plans to live the high life off the sweat of the workers. The only difference is we long ago lost our appetite for knocking down guys like him, now we polish their shoes and talk about how we'd like them to "moderate" themselves.
Heck, we haven't lost our appetite, we are just still digesting the last one we took down in Iraq...
301 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:34:50am |
re: #294 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Same as Saddam did, and the Shah before them. It's like the mob giving us tips and permission to knock off a fast-rising drug dealer in their territory, because it hurts their business. If it weren't for the oil they're sitting on, the oil ticks would have long ago gone the way of disco.
And, it's the Persian v. Arab thingy.
302 | lawhawk Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:35:17am |
re: #280 ralphieboy
The last thing they want is an Islamic Republic to overthrow their cozy little monarchy
The last thing they want is a Shi'a Islamic Republic to overthrow and/or nuke their cozy little Sunni monarchy. It's the ages-old Sunni-Shia schism that keeps coming into play.
And the Saudis will be more than comfortable letting the Israelis take the heat for it since it would play into the Saudi foreign policy and Islamist ideals - that the evil Joos are hell-bent on subjugating and spreading misery and death among the Muslims. But privately, they'll all breath a sigh of relief that someone ended the nuclear threat posed by Iran that no one else has an answer for.
303 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:35:56am |
re: #293 sandbox
It's probably disinformation. Keep the Mullahs guessing how the operation will go down.
No. It's 800 miles.
304 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:36:48am |
re: #297 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Man talks a good game, but he's another Castro, another tin dictator who plans to live the high life off the sweat of the workers. The only difference is we long ago lost our appetite for knocking down guys like him, now we polish their shoes and talk about how we'd like them to "moderate" themselves.
305 | OldnGrumpy Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:36:58am |
306 | Digital Display Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:37:09am |
307 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:37:26am |
re: #299 Dark_Falcon
But I thought that the supporters of socialism were gentle little lambs...
//
Riiight. Just like Che.
308 | Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:37:35am |
I thought that part of the first batch of money was so save teachers, firefighters and police officers jobs....
"President Obama urged reluctant lawmakers Saturday to quickly approve nearly $50 billion in emergency aid to state and local governments, saying the money is needed to avoid "massive layoffs of teachers, police and firefighters" and to support the still-fragile economic recovery."
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Yet, at the same time, take teachers for instance, the unions are kicking and screaming about any concessions that would help save any sort of money... but why not... they know they have a sugar daddy with unlimited hands in the publics pocket...
309 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:37:41am |
re: #301 MandyManners
And, it's the Persian v. Arab thingy.
Very true. My last job was working for a sub shop whose owner was from Iran, came over in '73. And personally he was disgusted by it all, the House of Fraud and the Mullahs. And he's got family back home, who he went to visit for a week a couple years ago. So he's always got an ear to the ground on how things are working.
310 | Obdicut Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:39:31am |
311 | firstinla Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:39:36am |
re: #275 MandyManners
I just trust the Saudis on this one.
312 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:39:54am |
Ali Akbar Salehi is quoted by the official IRNA news agency as saying construction will start by the end of the Iranian calendar year in March.
Iran’s government has approved plans for 10 new enrichment facilities that can process uranium gas into fuel for nuclear power plants. The US and other nations fear Iran’s expansion of the technology because it can also be used to make material for nuclear warheads. Iran denies such an aim.
SNIP
313 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:40:24am |
re: #303 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
No. It's 800 miles.
"It's 800 miles to Tehran, we got full tank of gas, 16,000 lbs of bombs, it's night, and we got sunglasses on."
/
315 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:41:37am |
re: #309 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Very true. My last job was working for a sub shop whose owner was from Iran, came over in '73. And personally he was disgusted by it all, the House of Fraud and the Mullahs. And he's got family back home, who he went to visit for a week a couple years ago. So he's always got an ear to the ground on how things are working.
In 1973 it was the Shah still in power, the one that the CIA put up after doing a bit of "regime change" in 1953 when their democratically elected president was threatening to nationlize the oil industry.
316 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:42:01am |
re: #309 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Very true. My last job was working for a sub shop whose owner was from Iran, came over in '73. And personally he was disgusted by it all, the House of Fraud and the Mullahs. And he's got family back home, who he went to visit for a week a couple years ago. So he's always got an ear to the ground on how things are working.
My favorite convenience store owner in Cherry Hills Village was a young man whose family escaped after the Islamists took over. Oh, he hated thsoe people. With a burning passion.
317 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:42:23am |
re: #308 Walter L. Newton
I thought that part of the first batch of money was so save teachers, firefighters and police officers jobs...
"President Obama urged reluctant lawmakers Saturday to quickly approve nearly $50 billion in emergency aid to state and local governments, saying the money is needed to avoid "massive layoffs of teachers, police and firefighters" and to support the still-fragile economic recovery."
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Yet, at the same time, take teachers for instance, the unions are kicking and screaming about any concessions that would help save any sort of money... but why not... they know they have a sugar daddy with unlimited hands in the publics pocket...
That's what a like about Christie of New Jersey: he actually understands the idea of staying within a budget.
318 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:42:27am |
re: #314 firstinla
I just DON'T trust the Saudis on this one.
Looks like we got no choice on this one, we can trust the Iranians even less.
319 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:42:42am |
re: #311 firstinla
I just trust the Saudis on this one.
It's in their interests to go along with this.
320 | What, me worry? Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:43:24am |
re: #302 lawhawk
The last thing they want is a Shi'a Islamic Republic to overthrow and/or nuke their cozy little Sunni monarchy. It's the ages-old Sunni-Shia schism that keeps coming into play.
And the Saudis will be more than comfortable letting the Israelis take the heat for it since it would play into the Saudi foreign policy and Islamist ideals - that the evil Joos are hell-bent on subjugating and spreading misery and death among the Muslims. But privately, they'll all breath a sigh of relief that someone ended the nuclear threat posed by Iran that no one else has an answer for.
The Israelis did it once before, in 1981 in Iraq and put back Sadaam's nuclear ambitions, well... indefinitely.
Apparently though, what I didn't know, Saudia Arabia offered to pay to rebuild the reactor after Israel destroyed it. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
After the attacks, Saudi Arabia trying to contain Iranian Revolution and in its support for Saddam during Iran-Iraq War, offered to pay for the repair of the reactor.[16]
I didn't read that noted PDF file at [16].
321 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:43:27am |
re: #313 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
"It's 800 miles to Tehran, we got full tank of gas, 16,000 lbs of bombs, it's night, and we got sunglasses on."
/
You from Chicago?
322 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:43:51am |
re: #308 Walter L. Newton
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]Yet, at the same time, take teachers for instance, the unions are kicking and screaming about any concessions that would help save any sort of money... but why not... they know they have a sugar daddy with unlimited hands in the publics pocket...
In my school district, there are a fair amount of us teachers in the local rank and file who are extremely displeased with NJEA's arrogance.
323 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:44:19am |
324 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:45:02am |
re: #315 ralphieboy
In 1973 it was the Shah still in power, the one that the CIA put up after doing a bit of "regime change" in 1953 when their democratically elected president was threatening to nationlize the oil industry.
And he had no love of the Shah either. There's a lot of talk about how the younger generation hate the Mullahs, but the older generation is getting there mighty quickly too. It's not like just after the Revolution, when it looked like like things could only get better. 2 decades later, their economy is shitty, their foreign policy is shittier, and the Mullahs can only rant and scream about the "Great Satan" and the "Zionists."
325 | firstinla Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:45:24am |
re: #319 MandyManners
I know some have said the Saudis hate Iran more than Israel. I hope that is true.
326 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:45:58am |
re: #320 marjoriemoon
I didn't read that noted PDF file at [16].
Don't forget that bombing of that facility in Iran's puppet nation, Syria, a few years ago.
327 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:46:00am |
re: #321 Dark_Falcon
You from Chicago?
No, I'm a Navy Brat. The closest I've been to Chicago was during a cross-country trip when I was roughly 3 yrs old.
328 | Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:46:16am |
re: #310 Obdicut
Unlimited hands?
Is it Durga?
I guess I was making a metaphor for Congress... honestly... a local example, there is some program right now, forgot the name, but it's extra federal money for states who's school boards will agree to some standards, some merit type standards, that would require some goals to be met for accepting/winning the money.
Colorado lost out on the first round... the state is reapplying, modifying it's "end of the bargain." Guess what, the teachers union won't support the attempt to get the extra money for the school districts... why... because of the merit aspects of the funding...
"For the children"... my ass.
330 | What, me worry? Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:46:40am |
re: #326 MandyManners
Don't forget that bombing of that facility in Iran's puppet nation, Syria, a few years ago.
Oh yea, that was kinda on the QT too, eh?
331 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:47:15am |
re: #325 firstinla
I know some have said the Saudis hate Iran more than Israel. I hope that is true.
And, if Iran ignores Saudi Arabia with its nukes and only targets Israel, Israel's response will fuck up the neighborhood for a while.
332 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:47:51am |
re: #324 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah. And our current administration can't stop blaming the last administration.
Worlds apart, but much the same.
333 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:47:53am |
re: #330 marjoriemoon
Oh yea, that was kinda on the QT too, eh?
How so?
For some reason, the date of September 16 sticks in my head.
Gonna' Google.
334 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:48:20am |
re: #328 Walter L. Newton
I guess I was making a metaphor for Congress... honestly... a local example, there is some program right now, forgot the name, but it's extra federal money for states who's school boards will agree to some standards, some merit type standards, that would require some goals to be met for accepting/winning the money.
Colorado lost out on the first round... the state is reapplying, modifying it's "end of the bargain." Guess what, the teachers union won't support the attempt to get the extra money for the school districts... why... because of the merit aspects of the funding...
"For the children"... my ass.
You're talking about "Race to the Top," aye? Yeah, it's a joke, like a lot of education "programs" these days. It's like how "Head Start" is in up to its eyeballs in accusations of fraud.
335 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:48:41am |
re: #320 marjoriemoon
I didn't read that noted PDF file at [16].
Actually, one interesting factoid is that the Israelis got lucky. Had they been about 20 minutes earlier in arriving, they would have found the reactor's SAM batteries at full readiness. They likely would have put in a successful strike even so, but the cost would have been much higher.
336 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:48:42am |
re: #333 MandyManners
How so?
For some reason, the date of September 16 sticks in my head.
Gonna' Google.
Mexican Independence Day.
/have 'nother shot of Tequila?
338 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:49:47am |
re: #332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yeah. And our current administration can't stop blaming the last administration.
Worlds apart, but much the same.
To politicians, it's always "somebody else's fault." If it's not the last guy's fault, it's another party's fault, another nation's fault, etc, etc.
339 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:50:11am |
re: #330 marjoriemoon
Oh yea, that was kinda on the QT too, eh?
Good memory you have.
Professor Uzi Even of Tel Aviv University was one of the founders of the Israeli nuclear reactor at Dimona, the source of the Jewish state’s undeclared nuclear arsenal.
“I suspect that it was a plant for processing plutonium, namely, a factory for assembling the bomb,” he said. “I think the DPRK [Democratic People’s Republic of Korea] transferred to Syria weapons-grade plutonium in raw form, that is nuggets of easily transported metal in protective cans. I think the shaping and casting of the plutonium was supposed to be in Syria.”
All governments concerned - even the regime in Damascus - have tried to maintain complete secrecy about the raid.
SNIP
340 | RogueOne Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:50:17am |
re: #285 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
If you can make heads or tails of our foreign policy post-WWII, you let me know. Personally, I see it as one long "comedy of errors," with us supporting this dictator against that one until our "buddy" decides he's the big fish in the pond, then we start building up his rival to knock him down.
They call it a "Realist" foreign policy I guess because it worked real well.//
341 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:50:26am |
re: #327 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
No, I'm a Navy Brat. The closest I've been to Chicago was during a cross-country trip when I was roughly 3 yrs old.
Cool. Your line was from The Blues Brothers, thus meriting the question. I am from Chicago, which is part of why I ask.
342 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:50:39am |
343 | Obdicut Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:50:52am |
re: #328 Walter L. Newton
There's a lot of problems with merit-based pay for teachers. Coming up with a fair metric is an incredible challenge.
Should a teacher be judged on the success of their students? If so, that skews things so that teachers will want to have only good students in their class, and the problem students will be marginalized, expelled, and given to the teachers with the least seniority and pull.
Should a teacher be judged on the comparative success of their students, based on when they entered the class? In that case, teachers have no incentive to teach a student who's already achieving well. In addition, a lot of kids will improve their overall study habits and performance at school thanks to just one teacher who takes the time with them, but all the teachers who had that kid would benefit from it.
It's a very, very tricky problem, and I know of no good merit-based systems.
345 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:51:38am |
re: #338 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
To politicians, it's always "somebody else's fault." If it's not the last guy's fault, it's another party's fault, another nation's fault, etc, etc.
And it takes other forms: during the economic boom under Clinton, Republicans liked to use the talking point that it was thanks to the foundations laid by Reagan in the 80's.
346 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:52:15am |
347 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:52:18am |
348 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:52:32am |
re: #341 Dark_Falcon
Cool. Your line was from The Blues Brothers, thus meriting the question. I am from Chicago, which is part of why I ask.
I was raised on the classics. Blue Brothers is one of my favorite movies, plus such a great source of movie quotes. Damn shame John Belushi is dead.
349 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:52:37am |
350 | Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:52:52am |
re: #334 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
You're talking about "Race to the Top," aye? Yeah, it's a joke, like a lot of education "programs" these days. It's like how "Head Start" is in up to its eyeballs in accusations of fraud.
Well yes... "Race to the Top." I'm not talking about the validity of the program... I'm talking about why our local teachers union won't support Colorado's bid for some money... because to get the money, the teachers and administrators have to be held to some standards that they have to meet...
The teachers union is always trying to buck any process that holds them to standards.
351 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:53:00am |
re: #322 Gang of One
In my school district, there are a fair amount of us teachers in the local rank and file who are extremely displeased with NJEA's arrogance.
True, but that's largely irrelevant. The rank and file is not going to stand up to the leadership in most cases. The threat of being put on a scab list will take the fight out of most people.
352 | RogueOne Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:53:36am |
re: #325 firstinla
I know some have said the Saudis hate Iran more than Israel. I hope that is true.
It isn't. The jews are the cause of all the worlds problems in their eyes but they trust that Israel isn't going to attack them unprovoked. They don't have that trust in Iran.
353 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:53:37am |
354 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:54:12am |
re: #345 ralphieboy
And it takes other forms: during the economic boom under Clinton, Republicans liked to use the talking point that it was thanks to the foundations laid by Reagan in the 80's.
Of course. Same as during the Bush years, we were told that the success in Iraq & Afghanistan was due to the "Clinton military." Politics is a hell of a drug.
355 | What, me worry? Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:54:14am |
re: #339 MandyManners
Yea, it wasn't broadcasted as big news and then there were questions if it ever really happened at all.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, while Israel saves the world from nuclear disasters, the assholes are still screaming, "Destroy Israel! Send the Jews back to Poland Auschwitz!"
F* em.
356 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:56:40am |
re: #351 Dark_Falcon
True, but that's largely irrelevant. The rank and file is not going to stand up to the leadership in most cases. The threat of being put on a scab list will take the fight out of most people.
Perhaps, but enough of us voted a new contract this week that is less generous than previous contracts. We knew that if this contract did not pass muster, further cuts would come ...
357 | RogueOne Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:56:40am |
re: #347 MandyManners
Oil industry?
My sister met a saudi while attending Oklahoma. They've been married 25 years. My sis moved back a couple years ago so the niece and nephew could attend UC.
358 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:56:56am |
re: #355 marjoriemoon
Yea, it wasn't broadcasted as big news and then there were questions if it ever really happened at all.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, while Israel saves the world from nuclear disasters, the assholes are still screaming, "Destroy Israel! Send the Jews back to
PolandAuschwitz!"F* em.
IIRC, Charles had a few threads about it.
359 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:57:29am |
re: #357 RogueOne
My sister met a saudi while attending Oklahoma. They've been married 25 years. My sis moved back a couple years ago so the niece and nephew could attend UC.
Your in-laws are there?
360 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:57:33am |
re: #352 RogueOne
It isn't. The jews are the cause of all the worlds problems in their eyes but they trust that Israel isn't going to attack them unprovoked. They don't have that trust in Iran.
I truly can't imagine the mental disconnect of that.
361 | lawhawk Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:58:23am |
re: #308 Walter L. Newton
A big part of the ARRA of 2009 was transfer payments to the states to help them balance their budgets. That let them avoid making the necessary decisions to cut spending and/or raise taxes (for those states that think that their problems are a lack of a revenue and not an excess of spending - NY, CA, and NJ come to mind). Well, that money is gone, and some states (NY, CA, and NJ again) are in a tough financial bind and now don't have federal money to count on.
So the President is trying to get Congress to go along with another bailout - of the states - with money that the feds don't have to help states that haven't taken a single step to improve their fiscal responsibility by cutting spending as some other states have done. Heck, NY has even gone and made a deal to pay $6 billion in pension fund obligations by... wait for it... wait for it... by taking a loan from the pension fund itself and calling things square.
NY's budget is a disaster (and the process is worse). CA is a horror show. NJ's budget is a mess, but Christie is at least demanding cuts and fiscal responsibility (and sanity).
362 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:58:36am |
Good Morning Lizards.
I'm in Roanoke (waves at FBV) on my way north to DC. I get the keys to our new place tomorrow and our stuff should show up Tuesday. Then the unpacking begins...I hate moving.
Back to lurking...
363 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:00:15am |
re: #361 lawhawk
A big part of the ARRA of 2009 was transfer payments to the states to help them balance their budgets. That let them avoid making the necessary decisions to cut spending and/or raise taxes (for those states that think that their problems are a lack of a revenue and not an excess of spending - NY, CA, and NJ come to mind). Well, that money is gone, and some states (NY, CA, and NJ again) are in a tough financial bind and now don't have federal money to count on.
So the President is trying to get Congress to go along with another bailout - of the states - with money that the feds don't have to help states that haven't taken a single step to improve their fiscal responsibility by cutting spending as some other states have done. Heck, NY has even gone and made a deal to pay $6 billion in pension fund obligations by... wait for it... wait for it... by taking a loan from the pension fund itself and calling things square.
NY's budget is a disaster (and the process is worse). CA is a horror show. NJ's budget is a mess, but Christie is at least demanding cuts and fiscal responsibility (and sanity).
Not to worry. The Feds can just print more money! Problem solved!!
//
364 | RogueOne Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:01:01am |
re: #359 MandyManners
Your in-laws are there?
He's a pilot and flies back and forth from SA to NYC but the sister has been back for a couple years. His family lives there but I'm not sure she'll ever go back.
365 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:01:08am |
re: #360 Gang of One
I truly can't imagine the mental disconnect of that.
No, there is a logic: Israel has no incentive to pick a fight with any other Middle Eastern nation. That is not necessarily the case with Iran.
366 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:01:58am |
367 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:02:03am |
re: #350 Walter L. Newton
Well yes... "Race to the Top." I'm not talking about the validity of the program... I'm talking about why our local teachers union won't support Colorado's bid for some money... because to get the money, the teachers and administrators have to be held to some standards that they have to meet...
The teachers union is always trying to buck any process that holds them to standards.
It's about power. This is a quote from an old HBO series called Arli$$:
"We are invaluable because we determine what top dollar is for our clients. If the League determines what top dollar is, then we become less valuable."
Substitute the words "school district" for "League" and you have the union's reason for being obdurate.
368 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:02:04am |
re: #365 ralphieboy
No, there is a logic: Israel has no incentive to pick a fight with any other Middle Eastern nation. That is not necessarily the case with Iran.
Yes, I see your point.
369 | lawhawk Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:02:26am |
re: #363 rwdflynavy
Right - and that goes to the heart of the problem. The states know that the feds can simply print money - and beg for yet another bailout so that they don't have to impose fiscal responsibility at the state (or local) levels. The feds will simply do what they usually do - and pass the buck literally and figuratively by running up the debt. And that's debt that could be avoided if the states started imposing fiscal discipline.
370 | Digital Display Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:03:17am |
re: #362 rwdflynavy
Good Morning Lizards.
I'm in Roanoke (waves at FBV) on my way north to DC. I get the keys to our new place tomorrow and our stuff should show up Tuesday. Then the unpacking begins...I hate moving.
Back to lurking...
I feel ya brother...It won't be long before the Moving Van shows up here..
371 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:03:18am |
re: #361 lawhawk
A big part of the ARRA of 2009 was transfer payments to the states to help them balance their budgets. That let them avoid making the necessary decisions to cut spending and/or raise taxes (for those states that think that their problems are a lack of a revenue and not an excess of spending - NY, CA, and NJ come to mind). Well, that money is gone, and some states (NY, CA, and NJ again) are in a tough financial bind and now don't have federal money to count on.
So the President is trying to get Congress to go along with another bailout - of the states - with money that the feds don't have to help states that haven't taken a single step to improve their fiscal responsibility by cutting spending as some other states have done. Heck, NY has even gone and made a deal to pay $6 billion in pension fund obligations by... wait for it... wait for it... by taking a loan from the pension fund itself and calling things square.
NY's budget is a disaster (and the process is worse). CA is a horror show. NJ's budget is a mess, but Christie is at least demanding cuts and fiscal responsibility (and sanity).
It's not surprising. Politicians on all levels don't want to be the ones that haul out the sheers and start cutting "vital spending," but digging the hole deeper means that the cuts are simply going to be that more painful down the road. Something's gotta give and it looks like it might be the "recovery."
372 | Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:03:26am |
re: #343 Obdicut
There's a lot of problems with merit-based pay for teachers. Coming up with a fair metric is an incredible challenge.
Should a teacher be judged on the success of their students? If so, that skews things so that teachers will want to have only good students in their class, and the problem students will be marginalized, expelled, and given to the teachers with the least seniority and pull.
Should a teacher be judged on the comparative success of their students, based on when they entered the class? In that case, teachers have no incentive to teach a student who's already achieving well. In addition, a lot of kids will improve their overall study habits and performance at school thanks to just one teacher who takes the time with them, but all the teachers who had that kid would benefit from it.
It's a very, very tricky problem, and I know of no good merit-based systems.
The unions, the school boards and the parents have brought it on themselves. There is no good way to measure merit, because we don't judge students by accomplishment to start with, we measure there worth by the fact that they simply show up to school.
I just went through my first year with a high school senior step critter. The last time I had to pay attention to what was going on in the schools was around 1985.
I was amazed at the total lack of achievement... achievement that was tied to actual accomplishment. You want to be in the school play, show up, you'll get some part, even if you show no obvious talent (one example).
At the awards ceremony a few weeks ago... everybody and his brother was getting some sort of award, "scholarships" (they were payoffs, investments by the collages as far as I was concerned) were given out like candy.
I don't have the desire right now to go into a detailed essay on the topic, but you know what I am talking about.
Bottom line, when you have a educational culture that can't even hold students to competitive achievement, how can you expect to be able to measure any metrics if there are none to measure.
373 | What, me worry? Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:03:29am |
re: #366 MandyManners
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Indeed. In fact, I'm sure I heard about it here first.
374 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:04:23am |
re: #356 Gang of One
Perhaps, but enough of us voted a new contract this week that is less generous than previous contracts. We knew that if this contract did not pass muster, further cuts would come ...
I'm sorry that had to happen, but I thank you for voting for it. There was, in Lady Thatcher's words, no alternative.
375 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:04:47am |
re: #362 rwdflynavy
Good Morning Lizards.
I'm in Roanoke (waves at FBV) on my way north to DC. I get the keys to our new place tomorrow and our stuff should show up Tuesday. Then the unpacking begins...I hate moving.
Back to lurking...
I love moving!
376 | RogueOne Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:04:55am |
re: #372 Walter L. Newton
Sort of the same situation here. My SiL isn't very smart and she doesn't actually try and yet she's still in the top 10% of her class. Something is horribly wrong.
377 | lawhawk Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:05:42am |
And now.. the most important story that the media can cover.
Sarah Palin hasn't had implants. Palin says that they're real. And they're spectacular.
It's the real boob job. The media turns that into a major story, when Palin's policy positions are really the things that people should be questioning.
The real boob job are those in the media that decide that this is a major story.
378 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:05:58am |
re: #364 RogueOne
He's a pilot and flies back and forth from SA to NYC but the sister has been back for a couple years. His family lives there but I'm not sure she'll ever go back.
Has she ever told you how it was for a Western woman in Saudi Arabia?
379 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:06:48am |
re: #373 marjoriemoon
Indeed. In fact, I'm sure I heard about it here first.
I wonder what was there.
380 | ryannon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:07:38am |
381 | Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:08:18am |
re: #361 lawhawk
A big part of the ARRA of 2009 was transfer payments to the states to help them balance their budgets. That let them avoid making the necessary decisions to cut spending and/or raise taxes (for those states that think that their problems are a lack of a revenue and not an excess of spending - NY, CA, and NJ come to mind). Well, that money is gone, and some states (NY, CA, and NJ again) are in a tough financial bind and now don't have federal money to count on.
So the President is trying to get Congress to go along with another bailout - of the states - with money that the feds don't have to help states that haven't taken a single step to improve their fiscal responsibility by cutting spending as some other states have done. Heck, NY has even gone and made a deal to pay $6 billion in pension fund obligations by... wait for it... wait for it... by taking a loan from the pension fund itself and calling things square.
NY's budget is a disaster (and the process is worse). CA is a horror show. NJ's budget is a mess, but Christie is at least demanding cuts and fiscal responsibility (and sanity).
No kidding... just google "layoff police" and you will wonder what the hell the first batch of money was all for... I said it a year ago, that money went into the pockets of administrations, project leaders, engineers, upper management of state and local contractors... it never filtered down to the workers who may have needed the help...
There are 7 1/2 million homes that are eligible for foreclosure in the next 3 months. What did the banks do with all that money... didn't pass it on to help their mortgage holders like they were suppose to do with some of the money.
How come there are layoffs all over the place for public service personal?
The plutocratic underlings, who have learned everything they know from their plutocratic elders in upper levels of government, took advantage of all that money...
382 | Obdicut Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:09:13am |
re: #367 Dark_Falcon
No, that's overly simplistic. As I said in my post above, there's also a real, huge problem in fairly administrating any 'merit-based' system.
383 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:09:47am |
re: #377 lawhawk
And now.. the most important story that the media can cover.
Sarah Palin hasn't had implants. Palin says that they're real. And they're spectacular.
It's the real boob job. The media turns that into a major story, when Palin's policy positions are really the things that people should be questioning.
The real boob job are those in the media that decide that this is a major story.
What in the world?
If I were Palin, I'd have ignored this bullshit.
384 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:10:09am |
re: #377 lawhawk
And now.. the most important story that the media can cover.
Sarah Palin hasn't had implants. Palin says that they're real. And they're spectacular.
It's the real boob job. The media turns that into a major story, when Palin's policy positions are really the things that people should be questioning.
The real boob job are those in the media that decide that this is a major story.
And, that's rank sexism.
385 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:11:07am |
What's next? Asking male policians about penile implants?!
386 | Digital Display Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:11:43am |
re: #375 MandyManners
I love moving!
I hate moving my dear friend....
Did you know there is not a Nationwide insurance agent in Oklahoma?
Not one in the whole state? What the freak is Nationwide insurance is going on here?
I need to change insurance companies. Any suggestions?
387 | RogueOne Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:11:49am |
re: #378 MandyManners
Has she ever told you how it was for a Western woman in Saudi Arabia?
No better, and probably worse, than a native born saud. I've visited a couple times and it's not a place I would want to live. I would be concerned even having my wife go with me for a week. A lot of the women, especially the older crowd, like it like it is. My sister hated it and they were always supposed to move back to the states but could never justify the move. When the niece and nephew were old enough to attend college she used that as her excuse to finally make the jump.
388 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:12:42am |
re: #386 HoosierHoops
I hate moving my dear friend...
Did you know there is not a Nationwide insurance agent in Oklahoma?
Not one in the whole state? What the freak is Nationwide insurance is going on here?
I need to change insurance companies. Any suggestions?
But, I thought Nationwide as on your side!
No suggestions from me. Have you asked your agent for some?
389 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:13:20am |
re: #385 MandyManners
What's next? Asking male policians about penile implants?!
That's why I always carry a chicken...darn useful birds.
Lay eggs, too.
390 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:13:35am |
re: #387 RogueOne
No better, and probably worse, than a native born saud. I've visited a couple times and it's not a place I would want to live. I would be concerned even having my wife go with me for a week. A lot of the women, especially the older crowd, like it like it is. My sister hated it and they were always supposed to move back to the states but could never justify the move. When the niece and nephew were old enough to attend college she used that as her excuse to finally make the jump.
He wouldn't let her move with the kids before they became adults?
391 | Digital Display Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:14:16am |
re: #388 MandyManners
But, I thought Nationwide as on your side!
No suggestions from me. Have you asked your agent for some?
Yes..My Agent says there are no agents in Oklahoma... Not one
392 | pharmmajor Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:14:25am |
Scientists believe they found the energy source that allowed life to emerge on Earth.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
393 | ryannon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:14:39am |
re: #310 Obdicut
Unlimited hands?
Is it Durga?
Yes, you're right: Durga
Give that man a pack of Ganesh Beedies!
394 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:14:43am |
re: #389 ralphieboy
That's why I always carry a chicken...darn useful birds.
Lay eggs, too.
I'm just gonna' hafta' resist the jokes.
395 | Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:15:03am |
re: #376 RogueOne
Sort of the same situation here. My SiL isn't very smart and she doesn't actually try and yet she's still in the top 10% of her class. Something is horribly wrong.
And since the step critter was graduating and this would be my only year recently that I had to deal with school stuff, I didn't spend a whole lot of time fuming at what I saw, at solidifying my observations, of developing a detailed opinion at what I was seeing.
My comment above was sort of a first look, meta look at what I was seeing. But I know when I am seeing stink... and what I did pay attention to stunk.
I feel a bit sorry for some of these kids... the first time some manager or boss or what ever... gets in their face about their job performance... they are going to be devastated... I see it at work with the teen clerks at the supermarket... as soon as one of them have to be held responsible for their job performance... they crack... it's like you told them to leave the planet...
396 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:15:29am |
re: #391 HoosierHoops
Yes..My Agent says there are no agents in Oklahoma... Not one
She has no suggestions for other companies? It's not as if you're asking for the names of competitors.
397 | albusteve Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:15:36am |
re: #391 HoosierHoops
Yes..My Agent says there are no agents in Oklahoma... Not one
Geico...they are cheap and you can talk to a hu-mon anytime you call them...very nice and efficient people
398 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:16:09am |
399 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:16:25am |
re: #391 HoosierHoops
Yes..My Agent says there are no agents in Oklahoma... Not one
Hoops, are you eligible for USAA (if you ever served you should be)? They are great!
400 | Varek Raith Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:16:57am |
401 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:17:37am |
402 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:18:01am |
re: #385 MandyManners
What's next? Asking male policians about penile implants?!
Why lots of politicians have 'em...just don't ask where they get them implanted!
403 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:19:22am |
Another strange bedfellow for Israel, Chechnya.
Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov’s recent visit to Israel ostensibly was for business or personal interests, but the Chechen leader “is a natural ally of Israel” because of jihadist elements, according to Dr. Dmitry Shlapentokh, associate professor of history at Indiana University South Bend.
Kadyrov disputes claims by Russia and other Chechen leaders that almost all of the country’s Muslim rebels have been eliminated. Dr. Shlapentokh wrote in the Asian Times that Kadryov’s ”unlikely” visit to Israel was a sign of continuing Muslim insurgency in the North Caucasus region neighboring Chechnya.
“Kadyrov, despite his dedication to Islam, is foremost a Chechen nationalist who sees the jihadis who emerged as a major force in 2007 in the Caucasus as his and his country's mortal enemy.” Shlapentokh wrote. “In this sense, he is a natural ally of Israel, [where] anti-Israeli forces are also the enemies of Kadyrov, as well as the Kremlin. It is this that has pushed Chechnya and Israel together, despite their reservations.”
SNIP
404 | What, me worry? Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:19:27am |
re: #385 MandyManners
What's next? Asking male policians about penile implants?!
lol Crazy stuff.
Not to get weird or personal... but there are times of the month were some women actually increase in size, sometimes dramatically. OTOH even if she did have implants, it's no one's damn business.
And I'm no Palin fan.
405 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:19:39am |
406 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:19:52am |
407 | albusteve Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:20:03am |
re: #395 Walter L. Newton
And since the step critter was graduating and this would be my only year recently that I had to deal with school stuff, I didn't spend a whole lot of time fuming at what I saw, at solidifying my observations, of developing a detailed opinion at what I was seeing.
My comment above was sort of a first look, meta look at what I was seeing. But I know when I am seeing stink... and what I did pay attention to stunk.
I feel a bit sorry for some of these kids... the first time some manager or boss or what ever... gets in their face about their job performance... they are going to be devastated... I see it at work with the teen clerks at the supermarket... as soon as one of them have to be held responsible for their job performance... they crack... it's like you told them to leave the planet...
good stuff Walter..and consider the high drop out rates, especially Texas, and the problems with illegal immigrant children in CA that graduate but cannot speak anything close to fluent English....stuff I've posted, and it'd a harbinger of a nationwide crisis
408 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:20:21am |
409 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:20:51am |
re: #404 marjoriemoon
lol Crazy stuff.
Not to get weird or personal... but there are times of the month were some women actually increase in size, sometimes dramatically. OTOH even if she did have implants, it's no one's damn business.
And I'm no Palin fan.
They do look rather round but, I'm with you: it's no one's damn business.
410 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:21:37am |
re: #377 lawhawk
And now.. the most important story that the media can cover.
Sarah Palin hasn't had implants. Palin says that they're real. And they're spectacular.
It's the real boob job. The media turns that into a major story, when Palin's policy positions are really the things that people should be questioning.
The real boob job are those in the media that decide that this is a major story.
MSNBC is being dumb in the same way as Fox News with this one. It's the left's version of an Outrageous Outrage. This bit of celebrity gossip has to be having Sarah Palin doing cartwheels behind closed doors, as it makes her opponents look bad while not doing her any harm at all.
411 | Varek Raith Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:21:50am |
412 | What, me worry? Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:22:51am |
re: #409 MandyManners
They do look rather round but, I'm with you: it's no one's damn business.
There are so many things. If she lost weight in her waist, she could look bustier. She could be wearing a push up bra. It could be hormonal. And why are we talking about Palin's bosom, I want to know lol
413 | RogueOne Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:22:53am |
re: #390 MandyManners
He wouldn't let her move with the kids before they became adults?
When they moved the deal was they would move back in 5 years. When they met he was attending a school to be a mechanic. He managed to move up from there to piloting small aircraft to now doing international routes so his argument on why they should stay was a pretty good one. Besides the money he makes they also had to consider cost of living, government benefits, and his family obligations. He comes from a pretty well off family and they have properties he's expected to help with all over SA.
His family is what I would consider moderate, for saudis, but even then their views are pretty extreme. Not to drag out my sisters dirty laundry but he married a 2nd wife, a saudi womean, less than a year after she moved back with the kids. His family didn't like it, supposedly, but there isn't much they could have done to stop it. His mother was the one who called to tell her even though she was told to keep her mouth shut. My sister has a co-spouse.
414 | Obdicut Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:23:45am |
re: #403 MandyManners
Hopefully this will end some of the strange support that Russia has been getting in its war on Chechnya from those who believed that Chechnya was led by radical Islamicists.
415 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:24:05am |
I'm speechless.
In 2007, Mr. Yousef came to the United States, where he converted to Christianity from Islam and applied for political asylum. The request was denied in February 2009, Mr. Yousef says, on grounds that he was potentially "a danger to the security of the United States" and had "engaged in terrorist activity." His case has automatically proceeded to the deportation stage, and on June 30 at 8 a.m. he will appear before Judge Rico Bartolomei in Homeland Security Immigration Court in San Diego.
Homeland Security is well aware of the author's history, and in fact is using it against him. According to Mr. Yousef, a letter from Homeland Security attorney Kerri Calcador cites passages in "Son of Hamas" as evidence of his connection to terrorist leaders and suggests that the work he did for Hamas while spying for Israel provided aid to terrorists. "At a bare minimum, evidence of the respondent's transport of Hamas members to safe houses . . . indicates that the respondent provided material support to a [Tier I] terrorist organization," the U.S. lawyer wrote.
SNIP
416 | Digital Display Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:26:34am |
re: #399 rwdflynavy
Hoops, are you eligible for USAA (if you ever served you should be)? They are great!
I worked as a civilian for the DOD at MINSY for 20 years...I don't deserve the benefits for service members...
I thought it was surprising there is no coverage for my Beemer in Oklahoma...
Almost Nationwide Insurance
417 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:27:00am |
re: #415 MandyManners
I'm speechless.
They're not deporting him, they're handing down a death sentence.
418 | KDS1 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:27:20am |
re: #415 MandyManners
I'm speechless.
He is very much welcome here in Israel. (however, i'm sure we will not treat him well enough).
419 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:27:23am |
420 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:27:38am |
re: #415 MandyManners
I'm speechless.
Mindless government bureaucracy at work. Coming soon to a health care system near you. Though the bureaucracies of insurance companies are really bad as well.
421 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:28:41am |
re: #413 RogueOne
When they moved the deal was they would move back in 5 years. When they met he was attending a school to be a mechanic. He managed to move up from there to piloting small aircraft to now doing international routes so his argument on why they should stay was a pretty good one. Besides the money he makes they also had to consider cost of living, government benefits, and his family obligations. He comes from a pretty well off family and they have properties he's expected to help with all over SA.
His family is what I would consider moderate, for saudis, but even then their views are pretty extreme. Not to drag out my sisters dirty laundry but he married a 2nd wife, a saudi womean, less than a year after she moved back with the kids. His family didn't like it, supposedly, but there isn't much they could have done to stop it. His mother was the one who called to tell her even though she was told to keep her mouth shut. My sister has a co-spouse.
Oh, dear me.
Reminds me of an NPR article from May, although it's about polygamy in America.
422 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:30:13am |
re: #414 Obdicut
Hopefully this will end some of the strange support that Russia has been getting in its war on Chechnya from those who believed that Chechnya was led by radical Islamicists.
Why is Russia denying Kadyrov's POV?
423 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:31:42am |
re: #422 MandyManners
Why is Russia denying Kadyrov's POV?
Kadyrov is their local satrap, he is there to try and keep Chechnya governable for the Russians.
424 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:33:11am |
re: #417 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
They're not deporting him, they're handing down a death sentence.
If he were a terrorist way back in 2007, why was he allowed in the U.S. in 2007 What's changed between then and now?
425 | RogueOne Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:33:36am |
re: #421 MandyManners
She's in a tough spot. SA is paying for all her expenses, including her house, while she and 2 of the kids are finishing college. If she files for divorce here she'll keep custody of the youngest (12 yr old) but lose all her financial support. She's pretty pissed. He doesn't come around as much anymore but he was here this weekend for my nephews graduation. Fun, fun.
426 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:34:03am |
re: #418 KDS1
He is very much welcome here in Israel. (however, i'm sure we will not treat him well enough).
I'd not feel safe there if I were he but, it wouldn't be due to Israel's treatment.
427 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:34:28am |
428 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:35:18am |
429 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:35:36am |
re: #423 ralphieboy
Kadyrov is their local satrap, he is there to try and keep Chechnya governable for the Russians.
But, Russia is saying that there are no more Islamists while Kadyrov says there are.
431 | Sheila Broflovski Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:35:46am |
Hi honcos!
Anyone know anything about selling domain names? I have a few that I'm not using.
432 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:35:49am |
re: #424 MandyManners
If he were a terrorist way back in 2007, why was he allowed in the U.S. in 2007 What's changed between then and now?
Who can say. All I know is that, at first blush, the moment he lands in any nation other than Israel, his life expectancy clock switches over from years to hours.
433 | Obdicut Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:37:03am |
re: #415 MandyManners
I'm not. Double-agents may be a very necessary thing, but they're still double-agents. They may, in the end, be triple-agents.
And he wasn't our double-agent.
434 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:37:40am |
re: #425 RogueOne
She's in a tough spot. SA is paying for all her expenses, including her house, while she and 2 of the kids are finishing college. If she files for divorce here she'll keep custody of the youngest (12 yr old) but lose all her financial support. She's pretty pissed. He doesn't come around as much anymore but he was here this weekend for my nephews graduation. Fun, fun.
Sounds as if she has a better deal here.
Typically, in Islamic law, a mother, even if she is not a Muslim, can keep custody of her male children until the age of nine and of her female children until the age of seven after which custody goes to the father.
At nine, sons have the right to choose who they wish to stay with, while daughters normally go with their father.
A divorced mother can continue to have custody of her daughter beyond the age of seven depending on the father and what sort of relationship they have.
SNIP
435 | Obdicut Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:37:55am |
re: #420 Dark_Falcon
Mindless government bureaucracy at work. Coming soon to a health care system near you. Though the bureaucracies of insurance companies are really bad as well.
Can you explain why exactly the US government should trust a double-agent of another power?
436 | KDS1 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:37:59am |
re: #426 MandyManners
I'd not feel safe there if I were he but, it wouldn't be due to Israel's treatment.
I think this is the one place he will be safe at. I just don't think he's going to have as good a life as he can have in the U.S.
437 | Semper Fi Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:38:34am |
Good morning lizards,
Sunday is looking good with clear skies. We're looking forward to high 80's today. I'm gonna walk the mall later just to browse. I'm curious about prices. Maybe I'll p-up on something.
Late tv last night I picked up on an interview: School grading for math tests. Seems they're thinking of giving the student some credit for wrong answers. Can't provide any info about it because I shut it down and went beddy. It's getting to where I can't look at this stuff anymore.
I trust everyone is enjoying their day and happy.
438 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:39:03am |
re: #433 Obdicut
I'm not. Double-agents may be a very necessary thing, but they're still double-agents. They may, in the end, be triple-agents.
And he wasn't our double-agent.
But, he was our ally's agent.
439 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:40:19am |
re: #436 KDS1
I think this is the one place he will be safe at. I just don't think he's going to have as good a life as he can have in the U.S.
Wouldn't it be harder to insert an assasin in the US than it would in Israel?
440 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:41:07am |
re: #437 Semper Fi
Good morning lizards,
Sunday is looking good with clear skies. We're looking forward to high 80's today. I'm gonna walk the mall later just to browse. I'm curious about prices. Maybe I'll p-up on something.
Late tv last night I picked up on an interview: School grading for math tests. Seems they're thinking of giving the student some credit for wrong answers. Can't provide any info about it because I shut it down and went beddy. It's getting to where I can't look at this stuff anymore.
I trust everyone is enjoying their day and happy.
Well, that's one way to improve math scores.
441 | Digital Display Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:43:25am |
Goal! Goal! Goal! Ghana Scores!
For gawds sakes I've been watching the World Cup for about 5 hours..
This is the first goal today from any team..
I would really like to change the game
442 | RogueOne Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:43:34am |
re: #434 MandyManners
In order to marry and move to SA she had to covert. Over there he could divorce her with no questions asked (I think he just has to click his heels 3 times//) and they would give him custody of the remaining kid. Luckily they're here right now but there is nothing stopping him from picking her up and flying her back to SA.
443 | KDS1 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:44:36am |
re: #439 MandyManners
Wouldn't it be harder to insert an assasin in the US than it would in Israel?
Wouldn't it be easier to hire an assassin in the US than in Israel? It's not easy to get in to Israel without being verified...
444 | Obdicut Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:44:38am |
re: #438 MandyManners
But, he was our ally's agent.
And Saudi Arabia are our allies too. Should we let a Saudi double-agent live here?
Double-agents may be great, but the one thing they've demonstrated they can do is lie and fool people about their allegiances.
445 | Semper Fi Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:44:48am |
446 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:45:28am |
re: #435 Obdicut
Can you explain why exactly the US government should trust a double-agent of another power?
Because the word of the Mossad that someone is not a terrorist should be taken as good coin. I'm more prepared to accept their finding than those of the CIA.
447 | Gang of One Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:47:16am |
re: #444 Obdicut
And Saudi Arabia are our allies too. Should we let a Saudi double-agent live here?
Double-agents may be great, but the one thing they've demonstrated they can do is lie and fool people about their allegiances.
If the people he outed got capped, he is most likely not a double-agent. No doubt the Israelis considered your POV, and took ample precautions.
448 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:47:17am |
re: #444 Obdicut
And Saudi Arabia are our allies too. Should we let a Saudi double-agent live here?
Double-agents may be great, but the one thing they've demonstrated they can do is lie and fool people about their allegiances.
Israel is a different case than Saudi Arabia. They are actually our friends, the Oil Ticks are only allied with us out of necessity.
449 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:47:34am |
re: #445 Semper Fi
Yes, so it is. Sad isn't it?
We always worked on the principle of partial credit. If you screwed up on step four out of seven then you should get 3/7th of a correct score.
450 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:47:45am |
We Con the World has been taken down.
This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Warner/ Chappell Music, Inc.
Copyright experts we advised with before posting the song told us in no uncertain terms that we were within our rights to use the song because we did so in accordance with the Fair Use Doctrine. The Fair Use Doctrine, copied and pasted below from the US Copyright Office stipulates that it is legal and permissible to use copyrighted material under the fair use doctrine for purposes of parody.
Copyright attorneys also warned us that given our clearly lawful use of the song We are the World, if anyone wished to silence our voices, they wouldn't target us. Instead they would target YouTube. It is YouTube's standard practice to remove any material that they receive even the flimsiest threat for because the company wishes to avoid all litigation.
SNIP
451 | KDS1 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:48:35am |
re: #441 HoosierHoops
Goal! Goal! Goal! Ghana Scores!
For gawds sakes I've been watching the World Cup for about 5 hours..
This is the first goal today from any team..
I would really like to change the game
So far it's really boring. And could someone do something with those vavazula's???
452 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:50:10am |
re: #442 RogueOne
In order to marry and move to SA she had to covert. Over there he could divorce her with no questions asked (I think he just has to click his heels 3 times//) and they would give him custody of the remaining kid. Luckily they're here right now but there is nothing stopping him from picking her up and flying her back to SA.
Is Saudi Arabia a signatory to the Hague Convention? If so, I would imagine that such a move could result in parental kidnapping charges. If the girl has been here at least six months, the state in which she lives has jurisdiction over her.
453 | Semper Fi Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:50:35am |
re: #441 HoosierHoops
Goal! Goal! Goal! Ghana Scores!
For gawds sakes I've been watching the World Cup for about 5 hours..
This is the first goal today from any team..
I would really like to change the game
The fans at the game seem happy. They're singing and carousing while players do a lot of running and such. Maybe they just attend to join the chorus. Somebody here said it yesterday, americans want action and scoring is a result of that action. Sorry to say I haven't developed an appreciation for the sport, my bad, but soccer was just not played when I was young as widely as it is today. I missed out.
454 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:51:15am |
re: #443 KDS1
Wouldn't it be easier to hire an assassin in the US than in Israel? It's not easy to get in to Israel without being verified...
But, the US is a much bigger place. He likely wouldn't be recognized here as easily as he would there if he decided to change his name and move to another region.
456 | ReamWorks SKG Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:52:19am |
re: #6 JasonA
I hope they've never heard of Neil Degrasse Tyson!
457 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:52:22am |
Since we've finally dried out and warmed up here in Portland I can finally transplant stuff out into the garden. My tomatillos survived overnight without being munched to the ground by slugs. Beans and potatoes are starting to grow again. I don't think I have much of a chance of getting many tomatoes this year but I''m going to try anyways.
458 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:52:27am |
re: #453 Semper Fi
The fans at the game seem happy. They're singing and carousing while players do a lot of running and such. Maybe they just attend to join the chorus. Somebody here said it yesterday, americans want action and scoring is a result of that action. Sorry to say I haven't developed an appreciation for the sport, my bad, but soccer was just not played when I was young as widely as it is today. I missed out.
We already been through that: those people are singing and carousing and having a good time because they are nihilist, socialist, existentialist death cultists.
/
459 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:53:06am |
re: #445 Semper Fi
Yes, so it is. Sad isn't it?
Wouldn't it be better to have the students repeat that grade's math?! Or, set up tutoring groups?
460 | Digital Display Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:53:33am |
re: #451 KDS1
So far it's really boring. And could someone do something with those vavazula's???
Ghana Wins! The first African Nation to win a World Cup game!
Germany is up next..I hope they get their asses kicked!
/Whoops did I say that?
461 | Nimed Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:53:38am |
Culture wars!
Kids of lesbians have fewer behavioral problems, study suggests
A nearly 25-year study concluded that children raised in lesbian households were psychologically well-adjusted and had fewer behavioral problems than their peers.
The study, published Monday in the journal Pediatrics, followed 78 lesbian couples who conceived through sperm donations and assessed their children's well-being through a series of questionnaires and interviews.
462 | Obdicut Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:54:07am |
re: #446 Dark_Falcon
Because the word of the Mossad that someone is not a terrorist should be taken as good coin. I'm more prepared to accept their finding than those of the CIA.
Why?
463 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:54:19am |
re: #457 Killgore Trout
Since we've finally dried out and warmed up here in Portland I can finally transplant stuff out into the garden. My tomatillos survived overnight without being munched to the ground by slugs. Beans and potatoes are starting to grow again. I don't think I have much of a chance of getting many tomatoes this year but I''m going to try anyways.
Have I mentioned little bowls of beer for the slugs?
464 | Obdicut Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:54:52am |
re: #447 Gang of One
If the people he outed got capped, he is most likely not a double-agent. No doubt the Israelis considered your POV, and took ample precautions.
No, he is a double-agent. He pretended to work for Hamas while working for the Israelis. That makes him a double-agent. A good one.
465 | RogueOne Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:55:37am |
re: #462 Obdicut
Why?
Because they're the only nation to sit on their hands while taking a SCUD attack because we asked them to.
466 | ReamWorks SKG Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:55:44am |
re: #6 JasonA
I think Hallmark should re-release the card, and this time say "African American Holes"
467 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:56:16am |
re: #452 MandyManners
Is Saudi Arabia a signatory to the Hague Convention? If so, I would imagine that such a move could result in parental kidnapping charges. If the girl has been here at least six months, the state in which she lives has jurisdiction over her.
Those charges would mean less than nothing once he was back in SA. They'd just thumbs their noses at them, and the law as well.
468 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:57:24am |
re: #460 HoosierHoops
Ghana Wins! The first African Nation to win a World Cup game!
Germany is up next..I hope they get their asses kicked!
/Whoops did I say that?
I am an American in Gemany, but tonight I have declared myself an honorary Aussie...
Funny how the Germans congratulated us on our 1:1 showing against Engliand. I tried to explain that we Americans do not recognize "moral victories". It is either win or lose, ties don't count 'cept in horseshoes.
469 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:57:53am |
re: #462 Obdicut
Why?
Because Mossad has proven itself extremely competent, far more so than the CIA. And this is not the sort of thing they would lie to us about. Lying would do them great injury if found out.
470 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:58:14am |
re: #466 reuven
I think Hallmark should re-release the card, and this time say "African American Holes"
Non-white orifices?
471 | KDS1 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:58:54am |
re: #460 HoosierHoops
Ghana Wins! The first African Nation to win a World Cup game!
Germany is up next..I hope they get their asses kicked!
/Whoops did I say that?
You mean the first in this world cup? Lots of african nations won world cups games...
472 | Obdicut Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:59:24am |
re: #465 RogueOne
Because they're the only nation to sit on their hands while taking a SCUD attack because we asked them to.
The Mossad isn't a nation.
re: #469 Dark_Falcon
I'm sorry, but I don't believe either you or I are able to validate the efficacy or trustworthiness of agencies whose entire being is covert and secret.
473 | KDS1 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:00:04am |
re: #454 MandyManners
But, the US is a much bigger place. He likely wouldn't be recognized here as easily as he would there if he decided to change his name and move to another region.
Good point.
474 | lsuchamps03 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:00:30am |
Hey anyone I have a question concerning the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. I have a source that says BP has the ability to immediately stop the gushing well but as part of their contract they will forfeit their lease. The administration knows this and going along. So evidently BP is lying to the American people and the government is covering it up too. Anyone got a whiff of this? Is the contract available to verify this?
475 | Semper Fi Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:01:38am |
re: #449 ralphieboy
We always worked on the principle of partial credit. If you screwed up on step four out of seven then you should get 3/7th of a correct score.
That too was part of their logic as I was clicking off. Maybe I should have stuck with it but many decades ago my sergeant said, "a miss is as good as a mile," unless your shooting bombs.
The thought crossed my mind
2+2=4
If my ans. is 5 maybe partial credit could be applied. But if my ans. is 6 credit would be a little less, etc..
476 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:02:06am |
477 | Nimed Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:02:06am |
re: #468 ralphieboy
I am an American in Gemany, but tonight I have declared myself an honorary Aussie...
Funny how the Germans congratulated us on our 1:1 showing against Engliand. I tried to explain that we Americans do not recognize "moral victories". It is either win or lose, ties don't count 'cept in horseshoes.
Well, it was not just a moral victory, it was a result that increases our chances to make it out of the Group stage. The last (and only) time that happened was 80 years ago!
478 | Sheila Broflovski Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:02:18am |
re: #450 MandyManners
We Con the World has been taken down.
It is a parody, and therefore is "Fair Use."
Anyway it is still on YouTube
479 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:02:43am |
re: #474 lsuchamps03
Hey anyone I have a question concerning the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. I have a source that says BP has the ability to immediately stop the gushing well but as part of their contract they will forfeit their lease. The administration knows this and going along. So evidently BP is lying to the American people and the government is covering it up too. Anyone got a whiff of this? Is the contract available to verify this?
What's your source?
480 | Semper Fi Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:04:06am |
re: #450 MandyManners
We Con the World has been taken down.
"We Con the World," I thought, was so well done. Enjoyed it immensely and as I recall have over 1m hits.
481 | Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:04:21am |
re: #474 lsuchamps03
Hey anyone I have a question concerning the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. I have a source that says BP has the ability to immediately stop the gushing well but as part of their contract they will forfeit their lease. The administration knows this and going along. So evidently BP is lying to the American people and the government is covering it up too. Anyone got a whiff of this? Is the contract available to verify this?
And what is your source? We tend to link to, and or, clarify sources when making statement like that on LGF.
482 | Nimed Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:04:28am |
re: #460 HoosierHoops
Ghana Wins! The first African Nation to win a World Cup game!
Germany is up next..I hope they get their asses kicked!
/Whoops did I say that?
Good for Ghana! Not rooting for anyone in Germany vs Australia, though. Just hope it's a good game.
483 | Digital Display Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:04:45am |
re: #474 lsuchamps03
Hey anyone I have a question concerning the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. I have a source that says BP has the ability to immediately stop the gushing well but as part of their contract they will forfeit their lease. The administration knows this and going along. So evidently BP is lying to the American people and the government is covering it up too. Anyone got a whiff of this? Is the contract available to verify this?
You don't have shit for a source until you post it...
I have a source that says the Aliens are causing the leak and will destroy DC if it tries to stop it..
So what?
484 | lsuchamps03 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:05:17am |
A friend of mine who was hired as an independent journalist by CNN and says he found evidence in the contract he was able to get. CNN's lawyers said he could not run that story.
485 | Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:05:38am |
re: #483 HoosierHoops
You don't have shit for a source until you post it...
I have a source that says the Aliens are causing the leak and will destroy DC if it tries to stop it..
So what?
Really... stop the leak... destroy DC.
486 | Digital Display Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:05:55am |
re: #482 Nimed
Good for Ghana! Not rooting for anyone in Germany vs Australia, though. Just hope it's a good game.
Go Aussies!
Should be fun!
487 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:06:27am |
re: #472 Obdicut
The Mossad isn't a nation.
re: #469 Dark_Falcon
I'm sorry, but I don't believe either you or I are able to validate the efficacy or trustworthiness of agencies whose entire being is covert and secret.
Fair enough, but they have done right by us in the past. This is not a big deal letting him stay.
488 | KDS1 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:06:35am |
re: #476 MandyManners
It costs very little in legal fees to change your name.
I just think that the islamic organizations have lots of tentacles... It might be more dangerous to live thinking you are safe by changing your name and location, than living under the assumption that someone knows where you are and you must be protected...
489 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:06:52am |
re: #478 Alouette
It is a parody, and therefore is "Fair Use."
Anyway it is still on YouTube
[Video]
Of course it's Fair Use for the sake of parody but, the link you posted is not the same as the one I got either from you or Charles a while back. That video has been removed.
490 | RogueOne Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:06:54am |
re: #472 Obdicut
The Mossad isn't a nation.
My bad, let me rephrase. "Because they're the Institute for Intelligence and Special Operations division for the only nation to sit on their hands while taking a SCUD attack because we asked them to."
Clearer now?
491 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:07:11am |
re: #477 Nimed
Well, it was not just a moral victory, it was a result that increases our chances to make it out of the Group stage. The last (and only) time that happened was 80 years ago!
You see, that is a problem I have with league play over here. It is often in both teams' interest to both get a goal each and then play out the rest of the game to a tie. I have seen matches where they all but stand on the ball to run out the clock.
naturally, England did not want to embarass themselves by playing out to a tie with the Yanks.
(And we would've won if the French Fleet had showed up in time...)
492 | Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:07:19am |
re: #484 lsuchamps03
A friend of mine who was hired as an independent journalist by CNN and says he found evidence in the contract he was able to get. CNN's lawyers said he could not run that story.
If this were true, your "friend" should have NO trouble getting that info printed by someone...
We'll wait for the big scoop.
493 | Sheila Broflovski Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:07:42am |
re: #489 MandyManners
Of course it's Fair Use for the sake of parody but, the link you posted is not the same as the one I got either from you or Charles a while back. That video has been removed.
it's gone viral.
494 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:08:17am |
re: #480 Semper Fi
"We Con the World," I thought, was so well done. Enjoyed it immensely and as I recall have over 1m hits.
The one Alouette posted has around 7,000 so I hope her posting it here will up the number.
495 | lsuchamps03 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:08:35am |
I agree and he knows that. I was just wondering if anyone had heard anything similar to that.
496 | Semper Fi Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:09:25am |
re: #458 ralphieboy
We already been through that: those people are singing and carousing and having a good time because they are nihilist, socialist, existentialist death cultists.
/
How do I undo a downding? Should be a rule for me, never try to upding while laughing. Sorry this happened. Thankfully, the upding was still available.
That was funny.
497 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:09:26am |
re: #488 KDS1
I just think that the islamic organizations have lots of tentacles... It might be more dangerous to live thinking you are safe by changing your name and location, than living under the assumption that someone knows where you are and you must be protected...
You can change your name and location and still live under that assumption.
498 | Obdicut Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:09:39am |
re: #487 Dark_Falcon
Fair enough, but they have done right by us in the past. This is not a big deal letting him stay.
I don't think you or I can really know about crap like this, is all I'm pointing out.
The nature of a double agent is to do various things to convince the people you're pretending to be working for that you're really on their side, while you either pass along info or work up to a large moment of betrayal.
There have been plenty of triple-agents, too.
Does Israel want to let him stay there?
499 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:09:54am |
500 | Digital Display Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:11:45am |
re: #495 lsuchamps03
I agree and he knows that. I was just wondering if anyone had heard anything similar to that.
I just what you to know this..The first Engineer that plugs the leak is a Billionaire in the morning...
There is no conspiracy theory here...
501 | Semper Fi Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:11:56am |
re: #459 MandyManners
Wouldn't it be better to have the students repeat that grade's math?! Or, set up tutoring groups?
Tutoring, I'm a big believer in tutoring. Hopefully, tutoring kicks-in before grade repeat becomes necessary.
502 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:12:12am |
re: #498 Obdicut
I don't think you or I can really know about crap like this, is all I'm pointing out.
The nature of a double agent is to do various things to convince the people you're pretending to be working for that you're really on their side, while you either pass along info or work up to a large moment of betrayal.
There have been plenty of triple-agents, too.
Does Israel want to let him stay there?
I don't know. What I'm saying is that we should not throw out of our country someone who has done so much to hammer Hamas. An enemy of Radical Islam is my ally, if not my friend.
503 | Obdicut Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:12:51am |
re: #490 RogueOne
Yep. So what does that have to do with this?
Has Israel even asked us to let him stay?
504 | lsuchamps03 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:13:33am |
We'll see. I'll try to verify the contract info
505 | Obdicut Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:13:35am |
re: #502 Dark_Falcon
I don't know. What I'm saying is that we should not throw out of our country someone who has done so much to hammer Hamas. An enemy of Radical Islam is my ally, if not my friend.
Not necessarily. He's also making quite a lot of money out of what he did. His motives are unknown.
506 | cliffster Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:13:39am |
David Axelrod on Meet The Press. He was tough! They're going to hold BP accountable! Rawr! Number of times Axelrod said the word, "accountable" - 4,688,967.
507 | Semper Fi Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:14:14am |
508 | Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:15:00am |
re: #504 lsuchamps03
We'll see. I'll try to verify the contract info
Would you please use the reply or quote functions so we know who/what you are responding to...
509 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:15:34am |
re: #506 cliffster
David Axelrod on Meet The Press. He was tough! They're going to hold BP accountable! Rawr! Number of times Axelrod said the word, "accountable" - 4,688,967.
That seems to be all this administration can do about the leak: Mug for the camera and growl about how they're going to beat BP black and blue for this leak.
510 | Nimed Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:15:55am |
re: #491 ralphieboy
You see, that is a problem I have with league play over here. It is often in both teams' interest to both get a goal each and then play out the rest of the game to a tie. I have seen matches where they all but stand on the ball to run out the clock.
naturally, England did not want to embarass themselves by playing out to a tie with the Yanks.
(And we would've won if the French Fleet had showed up in time...)
Wait a minute, I think you're confusing something. That scenario of scoring a goal each and running the clock is very rarely beneficial for both teams (they must be in the group stage of a competition in which some teams are tied for the qualifying position, and the qualification is decided by the highest number of goals).
In England's game against us they were clearly the favorite team (they have much more talented players), so we naturally adopted a more defensive strategy. We got ourselves a good result. If we get a win and a tie against Algeria and Slovenia, we're in the knockout stage, baby!
512 | Nimed Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:17:33am |
re: #498 Obdicut
There have been plenty of triple-agents, too.
Lets hope this guy is a multiple-of-two agent.
513 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:18:28am |
re: #505 Obdicut
Not necessarily. He's also making quite a lot of money out of what he did. His motives are unknown.
So he's making money, good for him. Let him stay does not mean we can't keep him under surveillance. If he does something untoward, then boot him. But not before.
514 | Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:18:52am |
Anyone spray troll stink around here... I smell something?
515 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:19:29am |
re: #514 Walter L. Newton
Anyone spray troll stink around here... I smell something?
*sniff, sniff* Ain't me, I took a shower this mornin'.
516 | lsuchamps03 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:19:46am |
517 | Semper Fi Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:20:33am |
re: #494 MandyManners
The one Alouette posted has around 7,000 so I hope her posting it here will up the number.
Thanks. I'll look for that one.
518 | cliffster Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:21:02am |
519 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:21:07am |
re: #514 Walter L. Newton
Anyone spray troll stink around here... I smell something?
No, I smell some clueless but no Eau de Troll today.
520 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:21:22am |
re: #510 Nimed
Wait a minute, I think you're confusing something. That scenario of scoring a goal each and running the clock is very rarely beneficial for both teams (they must be in the group stage of a competition in which some teams are tied for the qualifying position, and the qualification is decided by the highest number of goals).
In England's game against us they were clearly the favorite team (they have much more talented players), so we naturally adopted a more defensive strategy. We got ourselves a good result. If we get a win and a tie against Algeria and Slovenia, we're in the knockout stage, baby!
I am talking about league play here in Europe (I assume it's the same in the USA) where you standing is determined on a point system, based on how many goals you score (no goals, no points) and whether you win, lose or draw.
All of which I don't understand. Wou win, you win, you lose you lose. Partial credit is for math exams, not competitive sports...
522 | KDS1 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:22:30am |
re: #497 MandyManners
You can change your name and location and still live under that assumption.
True. I hope he did.
523 | Nimed Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:22:54am |
524 | cliffster Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:23:13am |
re: #521 lsuchamps03
Thanks for the help guys.
I'm just getting that out there because it's important. Troll, no troll, whatever, doesn't matter to me. LSU = suck.. that's where it's at.
525 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:23:18am |
Obama To Demand BP Create Liability Account For Spill Claims
Sorry, shareholders, there will be BP blood
Looks like I got out just in time.
526 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:25:28am |
re: #525 Killgore Trout
Obama To Demand BP Create Liability Account For Spill Claims
Sorry, shareholders, there will be BP blood
Looks like I got out just in time.
Oh, yeah. I almost forgot: Why does Obama hate capitalism?
527 | Semper Fi Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:26:14am |
I'm off for the morning. See ya'll later at game time. I like the Laker/Celtic game thread. Hope we have one.
528 | His Favorite Heretic Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:27:18am |
re: #526 Killgore Trout
Oh, yeah. I almost forgot: Why does Obama hate capitalism?
Is that a trick question?
529 | Nimed Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:27:52am |
re: #520 ralphieboy
I am talking about league play here in Europe (I assume it's the same in the USA) where you standing is determined on a point system, based on how many goals you score (no goals, no points) and whether you win, lose or draw.
All of which I don't understand. Wou win, you win, you lose you lose. Partial credit is for math exams, not competitive sports...
When it comes to soccer, I actually just keep my eye on Benfica (a Portuguese team, and my team since childhood). The ties in most if not all European leagues are somewhat penalized -- 3 points for a win, 1 point for tie, 0 points for defeat. A win and a loss is better than 2 ties, so the system rewards teams who take chances.
Do you follow the Bundesliga?
530 | Digital Display Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:28:08am |
re: #527 Semper Fi
I'm off for the morning. See ya'll later at game time. I like the Laker/Celtic game thread. Hope we have one.
See ya at 8pm EST...Have a great day
531 | KDS1 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:29:50am |
re: #529 Nimed
When it comes to soccer, I actually just keep my eye on Benfica (a Portuguese team, and my team since childhood). The ties in most if not all European leagues are somewhat penalized -- 3 points for a win, 1 point for tie, 0 points for defeat. A win and a loss is better than 2 ties, so the system rewards teams who take chances.
Do you follow the Bundesliga?
Why Benfice? Is there a reason?
532 | McSpiff Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:30:34am |
Had this stuck in my head since last night, heard a great cover of it at the bar. Great tune.
533 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:33:25am |
re: #529 Nimed
When it comes to soccer, I actually just keep my eye on Benfica (a Portuguese team, and my team since childhood). The ties in most if not all European leagues are somewhat penalized -- 3 points for a win, 1 point for tie, 0 points for defeat. A win and a loss is better than 2 ties, so the system rewards teams who take chances.
Do you follow the Bundesliga?
Glad you sorted out the point system, but no I do not follow soccer at all, I am just rather surrounded by World Cup madness and trying to cope with best as I can.
I remember first coming to Germany in 1988, going out for a stroll in a suburb of Frankfurt on a Saturday afternoon and finding it a near-deserted ghost town, not even any traffic on the streets.
Then I ducked into a bar and found that the big Germany-Holland World Cup match was underway (Which the Dutch won)
I guess it is much the same in any American town during the Super Bowl or any Midwestern Town during the NCAA finals.
535 | cliffster Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:36:18am |
re: #533 ralphieboy
I guess it is much the same in any American town during the Super Bowl or any Midwestern Town during the NCAA finals.
or a town in Georgia on any given Sunday during the NASCAR race.
536 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:36:19am |
re: #534 RogueOne
Soccer is for those that consider NASCAR too elitist.
Remember:
Soccer moms = bad
NASCAR dads = good
/
537 | OldnGrumpy Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:36:35am |
re: #526 Killgore Trout
Oh, yeah. I almost forgot: Why does Obama hate capitalism?
A-he's poor
-or-
B-he's a socialist
(Hint) He's not poor
538 | Nimed Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:36:40am |
re: #531 KDS1
Why Benfice? Is there a reason?
Why have had Portuguese (double) citizenship since I was 4, and grew up in Portugal (was there from 4 to 16, only coming to the US for more or less 1 month a year). Also, Benfica is my mother's soccer club.
My father, OTOH, made a Knicks fan out of me. :(
539 | His Favorite Heretic Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:36:52am |
re: #533 ralphieboy
I remember first coming to Germany in 1988, going out for a stroll in a suburb of Frankfurt on a Saturday afternoon and finding it a near-deserted ghost town, not even any traffic on the streets.
Then I ducked into a bar and found that the big Germany-Holland World Cup match was underway (Which the Dutch won)
You sure it was a World Cup game? World Cup is played every four years: 1982, 1986, 1990 ...
540 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:36:53am |
re: #534 RogueOne
Soccer is for those that consider NASCAR too elitist.
Non
Athletic
Sport
Centered
Around
Rednecks
541 | McSpiff Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:37:05am |
re: #533 ralphieboy
Canada during the Olympic hockey final this year was bad. Flights were delayed because passengers simply refused to board. Hospitals were using runners to keep everyone updated on the score. Hell, I'm on the other end of the country/continent and they had to get riot police out to clear the main street.
543 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:38:05am |
re: #534 RogueOne
Soccer is for those that consider NASCAR too elitist.
Hey, don't you be dissing Redneck Track and Field!
/
544 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:38:22am |
re: #537 OldnGrumpy
A-he's poor
-or-
B-he's a socialist(Hint) He's not poor
Watch out. It's a trap!
545 | His Favorite Heretic Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:38:23am |
546 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:38:25am |
re: #539 His Favorite Heretic
You sure it was a World Cup game? World Cup is played every four years: 1982, 1986, 1990 ...
Sorry, meant European Cup, that's held on the intermediate years.
547 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:38:40am |
548 | cliffster Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:38:53am |
Looks like the Democratic machine has aligned itself firmly behind blaming Bush for the oil spill. If it weren't for the fact that some people are stupid enough to buy their BS, their antics would be hilarious.
549 | KDS1 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:39:17am |
re: #538 Nimed
Why have had Portuguese (double) citizenship since I was 4, and grew up in Portugal (was there from 4 to 16, only coming to the US for more or less 1 month a year). Also, Benfica is my mother's soccer club.
My father, OTOH, made a Knicks fan out of me. :(
Thats nice (except for the Knicks part.)
550 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:39:51am |
re: #548 cliffster
Looks like the Democratic machine has aligned itself firmly behind blaming Bush for the oil spill. If it weren't for the fact that some people are stupid enough to buy their BS, their antics would be hilarious.
A year later, everything is still Bush's fault. They intend to ride that meme straight into the ground.
551 | KDS1 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:40:27am |
552 | His Favorite Heretic Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:40:39am |
re: #550 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
A year later, everything is still Bush's fault. They intend to ride that meme straight into the ground.
They're still campaigning, dontcha know?!
553 | cliffster Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:40:57am |
re: #540 rwdflynavy
Non
Athletic
Sport
Centered
Around
Rednecks
us rednecks have become a major force here in the USA. A force to be reckoned with, I reckon
554 | researchok Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:42:00am |
I was talking to a friend this AM re the BP spill. He had an interesting take.
He asked: How do you build a neighborhood without fire department? BP and every other oil company in the Gulf pays taxes. How come no government agency was ready to address the disaster?
In most states cars must undergo an inspection each year. If you can't meet certain emissions and safety standards, you fail the inspection. If you don't make the repairs in 60 days the car must be taken off the road How come the feds didn't have a program like that in place? And if they do, who watches the watchers? How is it possible for oil rigs to be deficient for so long? Who issues the 'inspection sticker'? All this is in addition to federal safety standards. Did both the feds and state government fall down on the job?
This is an Obama problem only in the sense it happened on his watch. It his problem and he has to fix it. Blaming others only makes him look weak and in fact empowers BP and the other oil companies. They can get up and say , 'Hey, it's been like this for decades'.
Finally, how is it possible that a Governor who believes he performed an exorcism looks more credible than anyone else?
Food for thought.
555 | Nimed Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:42:03am |
re: #533 ralphieboy
I remember first coming to Germany in 1988, going out for a stroll in a suburb of Frankfurt on a Saturday afternoon and finding it a near-deserted ghost town, not even any traffic on the streets.
Then I ducked into a bar and found that the big Germany-Holland World Cup match was underway (Which the Dutch won)
I guess it is much the same in any American town during the Super Bowl or any Midwestern Town during the NCAA finals.
Eh eh, the ghost town thing must have been a somewhat distressing experience. I love Frankfurt, by the way.
You don't have any memories of the Superbowl?
556 | prairiefire Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:42:52am |
re: #548 cliffster
Looks like the Democratic machine has aligned itself firmly behind blaming Bush for the oil spill. If it weren't for the fact that some people are stupid enough to buy their BS, their antics would be hilarious.
Ok, I'll ask. How is it not President Bush's fault?
557 | His Favorite Heretic Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:45:28am |
re: #556 prairiefire
Ok, I'll ask. How is it not
President Bush'sBP's fault?
Isn't this the real question?
558 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:46:12am |
re: #555 Nimed
Eh eh, the ghost town thing must have been a somewhat distressing experience. I love Frankfurt, by the way.
You don't have any memories of the Superbowl?
Frankfurt is not Germany's prettiest town, but it has a very cosmopolitan flair, its residents are nearly 25% non-German.
Last time I paid attention to the Superbowl was when Joe Namath and the Jets played Johny Unitas and the Colts. (1968?)
My two favorite teams, I was in heaven, it didn't matter to me who won.
But after that I lost almost all interest in organized sports.
559 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:46:37am |
re: #501 Semper Fi
Tutoring, I'm a big believer in tutoring. Hopefully, tutoring kicks-in before grade repeat becomes necessary.
The parents have to step up and arrange it. And, pay for it.
560 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:47:15am |
561 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:47:36am |
re: #554 researchok
The inspection process is one of the things they're working on improving. Despite all the hysteria and complaining I don't think the oil spill is going to reflect poorly on Obama. If he ends up making a serious mistake it will be a problem for him but I don't think he's done that yet. BP and the oil industry are the one that are going to take a hit on this.
562 | His Favorite Heretic Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:47:38am |
re: #559 MandyManners
The parents have to step up and arrange it. And, pay for it.
The kid has to step up to the plate and make an effort.
563 | researchok Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:48:23am |
re: #556 prairiefire
Ok, I'll ask. How is it not President Bush's fault?
The problems were there long before Bush. No clean hands here.
564 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:48:34am |
re: #548 cliffster
Looks like the Democratic machine has aligned itself firmly behind blaming Bush for the oil spill. If it weren't for the fact that some people are stupid enough to buy their BS, their antics would be hilarious.
Gawd, how stupid.
The following is from the Rolling Stone article RWC linked to the other day, note the bolded parts:
like Steiner had urgently tried to alert Obama to the depth of the rot at MMS. "I talked to the transition team," Steiner says. "I told them that MMS was a disaster and needed to be seriously reformed." A top-to-bottom restructuring of MMS didn't require anything more than Ken Salazar's will: The agency only exists by order of the Interior secretary. "He had full authority to change anything he wanted," says Rep. Issa, a longtime critic of MMS. "He didn't use it." Even though Salazar knew that the environmental risks of offshore drilling had been covered up under Bush, he failed to order new assessments. "They could have said, 'We cannot conclude there won't be significant impacts from drilling until we redo those reviews,'" says Brendan Cummings, senior counsel for the Center for Biological Diversity. "But the oil industry would have cried foul. And what we've seen with Salazar is that when the oil industry squeaks, he retreats."
Under Salazar, MMS continued to issue categorical exclusions to companies like BP, even when they lacked the necessary permits to protect endangered species. A preliminary review of the BP disaster conducted by scientists with the independent Deepwater Horizon Study Group concludes that MMS failed to enforce a host of environmental laws, including the Clean Water Act. "MMS and Interior are equally responsible for the failures here," says the former agency scientist. "They weren't willing to take the regulatory steps that could have prevented this incident
And neither Bush nor anyone left over from his administration had anything to do with Salazar's changing of the report after the experts had signed off on it, resulting in actions that aggravated the situation as a whole.
BP, of course, is not being fully forthcoming with information; we expect our government agencies to lead the way in some things, but it's very hard for them to know exactly what to do when they don't have full and complete information.
It's a mess of the highest order.
565 | AK-47% Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:48:42am |
re: #554 researchok
Yes, in one sense our government allowed it to happen by being negligent in oversight, bu nobody made BP take those risks, including making the decisions not to be more careful.
566 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:49:06am |
567 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:49:35am |
568 | Racer X Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:50:33am |
Obama is victim of Bush's failed promises
- Chuck Green
Barack Obama is setting a record-setting number of records during his first year in office.
Largest budget ever. Largest deficit ever. Largest number of broken promises ever. Most self-serving speeches ever. Largest number of agenda-setting failures ever. Fastest dive in popularity ever.
Wow! Talk about change.
Just one year ago. fresh from his inauguration celebrations. President Obama was flying high. After one of the nation's most inspiring political campaigns, the election of America's first black president had captured the hopes and dreams of millions. To his devout followers, it was inconceivable that a year later his administration would be gripped in self-imposed crisis.
Of course, they don't see it as self-imposed. It's all George Bush's fault.
George Bush, who doesn't have a vote in congress and who no longer occupies the White House, is to blame for it all.
He broke Obama's promise to put all bills on the White House web site for five days before signing them.
He broke Obama's promise to have the congressional health care negotiations broadcast live on C-SPAN.
He broke Obama's promise to end earmarks.
He broke Obama's promise to keep unemployment from rising above 8 percent.
He broke Obama's promise to close the detention center at Guantanamo in the first year.
He broke Obama's promise to make peace with direct, no precondition talks with America's most hate-filled enemies during his first year in office, ushering in a new era of global cooperation.
He broke Obama's promise to end the hiring of former lobbyists into high White House jobs.
He broke Obama's promise to end no-compete contracts with the government.
He broke Obama's promise to disclose the names of all attendees at closed White House meetings.
He broke Obama's promise for a new era of bipartisan cooperation in all matters.
He broke Obama's promise to have chosen a home church to attend Sunday services with his family by Easter of last year.
Yes. it's all George Bush's fault. President Obama is nothing more than a puppet in the never-ending. failed Bush administration.
If only George Bush wasn't still in charge, all of President Obama's problems would be solved. His promises would have been kept, the economy would be back on track, Iran would have stopped its work on developing a nuclear bomb and would be negotiating a peace treaty with Israel. North Korea would have ended its tyrannical regime, and integrity would have been restored to the federal government.
Oh, and did I mention what it would be like if the Democrats. under the leadership of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, didn't have the heavy yoke of George Bush around their necks? There would be no ear marks, no closed-door drafting of bills, no increase in deficit spending, no special-interest influence (unions), no vote buying (Nebraska, Louisiana).
If only George Bush wasn't still in charge, we'd have real change by now.
All the broken promises, all the failed legislation and delay (health care reform, immigration reform) is not President Obama's fault or the fault of the Democrat-controlled Congress. It's all George Bush's fault.
Take for example the decision of Eric Holder, the president's attorney general, to hold terrorists' trials in New York City. Or his decision to try the Christmas Day underpants bomber as a civilian.
Two disastrous decisions.
Certainly those were bad judgments based on poor advice from George Bush.
Will the failed administration of George Bush ever end, and the time for hope and change ever arrive?
569 | researchok Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:51:28am |
re: #561 Killgore Trout
The inspection process is one of the things they're working on improving. Despite all the hysteria and complaining I don't think the oil spill is going to reflect poorly on Obama. If he ends up making a serious mistake it will be a problem for him but I don't think he's done that yet. BP and the oil industry are the one that are going to take a hit on this.
Clearly, Obama can't blamed for a system that has been broken for decades.
BP will take the hit because they are an easy target, but my friend is right. There is no reason we should have been caught with our pants down. BP and everyone else has payed taxes for decades.
There should have been a fire dept at the ready.
570 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:52:04am |
re: #562 His Favorite Heretic
The kid has to step up to the plate and make an effort.
Yes but, children usually don't have the resources and know-how to arrange their parents' schedules and pay for the tutor.
571 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:52:18am |
re: #561 Killgore Trout
The inspection process is one of the things they're working on improving. Despite all the hysteria and complaining I don't think the oil spill is going to reflect poorly on Obama. If he ends up making a serious mistake it will be a problem for him but I don't think he's done that yet. BP and the oil industry are the one that are going to take a hit on this.
BP should be taking the hit.
There is really no reason to punish the entire oil industry, which has been drilling safely in the gulf for decades.
Some information the Roi put together:
The national media has led the public to believe we were on the edge of our technology and know-how in drilling at 5,000 feet of water depth. This is far from the truth. In the US Federal Waters of the Gulf of Mexico, more than 50,000 wells have been drilled. Of those, more than 4,000 were drilled in waters of more than 1,000 feet, and 700 wells have been drilled in depths greater than 5,000 feet. The offshore drilling industry has the expertise and the experience to safely drill in waters over 10,000 feet. The US Interior Dept has these records.
572 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:52:21am |
re: #568 Racer X
nonsense. When are conservatives going to start using real ideas again? That's not even close to an honest discussion of ideas, problems or solutions.
573 | researchok Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:52:31am |
re: #565 ralphieboy
Yes, in one sense our government allowed it to happen by being negligent in oversight, bu nobody made BP take those risks, including making the decisions not to be more careful.
And that goes to the point of inspections and 'rules of the road'.
575 | Obdicut Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:54:09am |
re: #571 reine.de.tout
Which is also why companies were able to get exceptions, and the like.
576 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:54:24am |
re: #572 Killgore Trout
nonsense. When are conservatives going to start using real ideas again? That's not even close to an honest discussion of ideas, problems or solutions.
Broken promises are true though....any honest discussion on that KT?
577 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:54:33am |
re: #571 reine.de.tout
true, but the oil industry in general is going to face more rigorous inspections and regulation over this. It's going to be a big pain in their ass. Although the oil industry isn't going to go away any time soon this also steps up the efforts for alternative energy.
578 | researchok Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:54:56am |
re: #571 reine.de.tout
BP will take the hit.
When all is said and done though, this debacle was waiting to happen. It was decades in the making- and now the Gulf is being made to pay for bad policies.
579 | albusteve Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:55:21am |
re: #572 Killgore Trout
nonsense. When are conservatives going to start using real ideas again? That's not even close to an honest discussion of ideas, problems or solutions.
you are using the demise of the GOP to veil BOs massive shortcomings....stop it and get some perspective
580 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:55:40am |
re: #575 Obdicut
Which is also why companies were able to get exceptions, and the like.
Not sure I understand.
The safety record led to the granting of exceptions?
Possibly.
581 | Racer X Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:56:10am |
re: #572 Killgore Trout
nonsense. When are conservatives going to start using real ideas again? That's not even close to an honest discussion of ideas, problems or solutions.
Take it up with Chuck Green.
582 | Obdicut Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:56:32am |
re: #580 reine.de.tout
Not sure I understand.
The safety record led to the granting of exceptions?
Possibly.
Yes, that's what I mean. The collective achievement of the industry allowed companies to point to that safety record as a reason to grant exceptions.
583 | cliffster Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:56:55am |
re: #572 Killgore Trout
nonsense. When are conservatives going to start using real ideas again? That's not even close to an honest discussion of ideas, problems or solutions.
The subject of whether the President takes on the role of Chief Political Hatchet for the Democrats is a very viable topic for discussion. Even if Democrats don't like it.
584 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:57:24am |
re: #576 rwdflynavy
Broken promises are true though...any honest discussion on that KT?
This site does a good job.
The Obameter: Tracking Obama's Campaign Promises
I'm not sure how well other presidents did. Remember Bush promising a manned mission to Mars at the State of the Union speech? Politicians often promise some pretty wacky things. I don't think Obama is significantly different one way or the other.
585 | Boogberg Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:57:45am |
Guys, if you haven't seen this yet, give it a watch:
It seems to focus mainly on European anti-Semitism.
587 | McSpiff Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:59:12am |
re: #579 albusteve
you are using the demise of the GOP to veil BOs massive shortcomings...stop it and get some perspective
So what? BO sucks means the GOP gets an automatic pass to the WH?
588 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:59:18am |
re: #586 Killgore Trout
Wingnuts are agitated this morning.
They have a long way to go
MoonBats have been agitated since my youth back in the 60's!
/
589 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:59:19am |
re: #584 Killgore Trout
This site does a good job.
The Obameter: Tracking Obama's Campaign PromisesI'm not sure how well other presidents did. Remember Bush promising a manned mission to Mars at the State of the Union speech? Politicians often promise some pretty wacky things. I don't think Obama is significantly different one way or the other.
Neither do I, but it is worth pointing out that the administration that was all about transparency is not. Criticism of Obama isn't a thought crime.
590 | Racer X Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:59:37am |
At what point do we hold Obama accountable?
Next year? 2012? When?
He and his administration have made some poor decisions yet no one wants to admit or even discuss those. It is still all 'Bush's fault'. See above.
591 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:59:39am |
592 | His Favorite Heretic Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:59:42am |
593 | cliffster Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:00:12am |
re: #586 Killgore Trout
Wingnuts are agitated this morning.
you're right - what is it that triggered those liberal loons to get so frothy?
594 | lostlakehiker Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:00:41am |
re: #343 Obdicut
There's a lot of problems with merit-based pay for teachers. Coming up with a fair metric is an incredible challenge.
Should a teacher be judged on the success of their students? If so, that skews things so that teachers will want to have only good students in their class, and the problem students will be marginalized, expelled, and given to the teachers with the least seniority and pull.
Should a teacher be judged on the comparative success of their students, based on when they entered the class? In that case, teachers have no incentive to teach a student who's already achieving well. In addition, a lot of kids will improve their overall study habits and performance at school thanks to just one teacher who takes the time with them, but all the teachers who had that kid would benefit from it.
It's a very, very tricky problem, and I know of no good merit-based systems.
Half the merit pay should go to the individual teacher, and half to the school as a team.
Teachers should be judged on the difference between the progress their students made, and the progress they might have been expected to make, going on past test scores and overall patterns of progress state wide.
A kid who's already a year ahead ought to be promoted a grade. But say you do have such a kid in your class. You want him to forge ahead another year plus change, so that he makes the kind of high-end progress his record up to now would predict. If he does, that will count into your ratings. A kid who's behind, if he makes even 0.9 year's progress in your year, that's maybe more than might have been expected, so that too will be a plus for you.
Teachers in this kind of a system can vie for the opportunity to teach bright kids, if they think they can get them to learn more than would have normally happened, or to teach slow kids, if they think they can get them to learn more than would have normally happened. Each teacher would be trying to fit his or her particular strengths in teaching style to the kinds of classes he or she got to teach. The principle would be doing the same. When a teacher wins, the school wins, after all.
And if your efforts contribute to some other teacher's high rating, that rating factors into the school average and that helps you. So there's an incentive to cooperate.
Even an imperfect system, if it takes account of differences in student prospects going in so that it doesn't fall into the trap you point out, that the teacher who gets the good students looks good, will be better than system we have now, in which good teachers all too often burn out or bail, while some teachers who have no business in a classroom plug along, setting their kids back half a year with clockwork regularity.
My best teacher in high school quit and moved to college teaching shortly after. Her highest and best use was in high school teaching honors classes, I think, but the system had no way to reward her stellar performance. An imperfect merit pay system, if it bears some visible correlation to 'real' merit, will be acceptable to good and average teachers, and if bad teachers find it intolerable and quit, where is the problem?
595 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:00:42am |
re: #577 Killgore Trout
true, but the oil industry in general is going to face more rigorous inspections and regulation over this. It's going to be a big pain in their ass. Although the oil industry isn't going to go away any time soon this also steps up the efforts for alternative energy.
I've got no problems with stepping up efforts for alternative energy, at a natural pace and flow so that folks who would have gotten jobs with the oil companies are, instead, employed and trained by alternative energy companies and work for them instead.
Also no problem with more rigorous inspections and regulations. Hubby works out there and I want as much assurance as I can get that he is working in conditions that are as safe as possible.
What I take issue with (and get tired of hearing) are:
1. It's Bush's fault, when Salazar had plenty of time and the authority (actually, the obligation) to implement changes.
2. Punishing the entire industry with this moratorium, the order for which was based on information that was made to look as if it was the recommendation of experts, when it was NOT.
3. And I'm mad as hell with BP, for continuing to be less than forthcoming with information, which has a direct effect on the ability of government agencies involved to assess the situation and make proper plans and decisions.
596 | Racer X Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:01:02am |
re: #586 Killgore Trout
Wingnuts are agitated this morning.
I want a moniker too. I call dibs on 'Moderate Whacko'.
597 | Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:01:02am |
re: #586 Killgore Trout
Wingnuts are agitated this morning.
Very agitated. They're all falling in line to support the shrieking harpy, and spewing hatred at PayPal. Apparently PayPal is part of the global jihad.
Yes, they're serious.
598 | researchok Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:01:41am |
I'm sorry, but i really believe BP is only half the problem. Fed policies for decades contributed to the mess.
Pretending otherwise will only insure the problems will remain.
It's like that guy in charge of Arlington. Everyone was pleased to hear he got a letter of reprimand. What was kept quiet was that the letter will be removed from his file in January.
Your tax dollars at work.
599 | prairiefire Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:02:14am |
re: #575 Obdicut
Which is also why companies were able to get exceptions, and the like.
The whole system is slanted towards the oil companies. Salazar is obviously not a progressive crusader.
600 | McSpiff Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:02:26am |
re: #596 Racer X
I want a moniker too. I call dibs on 'Moderate Whacko'.
'Centerist extremist' sounds like a political label, and a Roman wrestler. I like it.
601 | OldnGrumpy Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:02:34am |
Anyone got any change I can count (on)?
I'm an electrician with over 30yrs experience.
I got laid off this year for only the second time in my life(first time was during the Carter administration) and I won't be going back,company went under due to lack of business.
5 months and over 200 job applications later
spare change?
602 | researchok Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:02:38am |
re: #586 Killgore Trout
Wingnuts are agitated this morning.
And why is this morning different from all other mornings?
603 | albusteve Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:02:48am |
re: #587 McSpiff
So what? BO sucks means the GOP gets an automatic pass to the WH?
did I say that?...BO has made his own bed...as for new ideas, there are no new ideas, and the old ones work just fine when implemented...the only new ideas the GOP needs are those to market themselves more effectively....running the govt is just the same old tried and true, mundane ideas
604 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:02:54am |
re: #597 Charles
Very agitated. They're all falling in line to support the shrieking harpy, and spewing hatred at PayPal. Apparently PayPal is part of the global jihad.
Yes, they're serious.
HOLD THE WEDDIN
So in their minds (loose term, I know) the fact that I contributed to LGF for your great work re: muslim extremism I actually HELPED the Jihad !!
I DID NOT KNOW THAT!!
/
605 | His Favorite Heretic Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:03:01am |
re: #592 His Favorite Heretic
No, we're not.
At least not this wing-nut. And Pam Geller is a mean-spirited buffoon.
606 | prairiefire Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:04:12am |
re: #597 Charles
Very agitated. They're all falling in line to support the shrieking harpy, and spewing hatred at PayPal. Apparently PayPal is part of the global jihad.
Yes, they're serious.
They won't be able to buy their Scooby Doo memorabilia on Ebay if they boycott PayPal!
607 | Nimed Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:04:20am |
608 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:04:21am |
re: #605 His Favorite Heretic
At least not this wing-nut. And Pam Geller is a mean-spirited buffoon.
Welcome, fellow wing-nut!
And I agree with you.
609 | cliffster Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:04:33am |
re: #590 Racer X
At what point do we hold Obama accountable?
Next year? 2012? When?
He and his administration have made some poor decisions yet no one wants to admit or even discuss those. It is still all 'Bush's fault'. See above.
It's all politics, all the time.
610 | researchok Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:04:53am |
re: #597 Charles
Very agitated. They're all falling in line to support the shrieking harpy, and spewing hatred at PayPal. Apparently PayPal is part of the global jihad.
Yes, they're serious.
She's in quite the predicament when she puts herself in same category as Revolution Muslim, et all.
611 | McSpiff Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:05:04am |
re: #598 researchok
I'm sorry, but i really believe BP is only half the problem. Fed policies for decades contributed to the mess.
Pretending otherwise will only insure the problems will remain.
It's like that guy in charge of Arlington. Everyone was pleased to hear he got a letter of reprimand. What was kept quiet was that the letter will be removed from his file in January.
Your tax dollars at work.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, because of spent all of 6 minutes looking for a reference and found nothing but… in the fallout of the Exxon Valdez spill, wasn't federal legislation passed that essentially stated that in the future, whatever company caused the spill would ultimately be responsible for cleanup, with the federal government operating in an assisting role? Or am I totally losing my mind?
612 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:05:19am |
613 | His Favorite Heretic Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:05:24am |
614 | firstinla Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:05:51am |
re: #594 lostlakehiker
There is aare two words missing in your long post: parental responsibility.
615 | Varek Raith Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:06:00am |
Yawn.
Obama broke promises.
Yawn.
Bush broke promises.
Yawn.
Lol, stop lambasting the current dude for acting like the past dudes, dude.
Dude.
616 | PhillyPretzel Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:06:42am |
re: #594 lostlakehiker
As a tutor I had a student who demanded a drop in session with no paper to look over, no text book to review, no note book to take notes with and the topper of no pen or pencil to write down notes. He just slouched in the chair and said, "You're a teacher, teach me." I had security throw him off campus. Yes this was a college.
617 | Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:06:44am |
re: #49 avanti
Pam's site being called a 'hate site" has brought out some reasonable, and well thought out comments by other blogs/
"This is a fucking outrage. You’ve probably heard this already but, I can’t let this pass. Bowing to pressure from CAIR–the unindicted co-conspirator in Hamas funding–PayPal has pegged Pam Geller’s Atlas Shrugs as a “Hate Site” and will close her account. These same Dhimmi fuckwads have not demanded any such action from the Jihad-spouting sites that use the service. (H/T Classic Liberal and Stacy McCain)
If you use PayPal you might want to send them a (polite) email enumerating the errors of their ways, and canceling your account. If, like me, you are doing this on the cheap and don’t expect remuneration, send them a note (emails available at Pam’s and Stacy’s) telling them to get fucked with the flaming phallus of fail soaked in strychnine for all eternity."
And that's one of the classier comments. These people are feeling a touch of panic, because they know they're every bit as hateful and deranged as Geller, and they're afraid they're going to be next.
618 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:06:52am |
re: #614 firstinla
There is aare two words missing in your long post: parental responsibility.
There is aare an extra one on yours
((ppsssttt ,, I'd dixie the one thats not spelled right!!))
//
619 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:07:09am |
re: #611 McSpiff
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, because of spent all of 6 minutes looking for a reference and found nothing but… in the fallout of the Exxon Valdez spill, wasn't federal legislation passed that essentially stated that in the future, whatever company caused the spill would ultimately be responsible for cleanup, with the federal government operating in an assisting role? Or am I totally losing my mind?
That's my understanding.
Which is one reason why the effort to cap this thing, and clean it up, is getting messier and messier.
BP has not been totally forthcoming with their information; the agencies involved make their decisions based on the information they have and if they don't have complete information, their decisions will suffer.
620 | cliffster Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:07:31am |
re: #615 Varek Raith
Yawn.
Obama broke promises.
Yawn.
Bush broke promises.
Yawn.
Lol, stop lambasting the current dude for acting like the past dudes, dude.
Dude.
lambasting in general should stop, but this started with the fact that Democrats are going all-in with the idiotic theory that the oil spill is Bush's fault.
621 | researchok Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:07:53am |
re: #611 McSpiff
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, because of spent all of 6 minutes looking for a reference and found nothing but… in the fallout of the Exxon Valdez spill, wasn't federal legislation passed that essentially stated that in the future, whatever company caused the spill would ultimately be responsible for cleanup, with the federal government operating in an assisting role? Or am I totally losing my mind?
I know it's only an opinion but it is interesting.
622 | Daniel Ballard Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:08:04am |
Good morning everybody. Whew D_L threw a surprise b-day party for me yesterday. Great fun, and it was a ton of work for her. I owe that lady.
re: #584 Killgore Trout
I am about to check out that link, but in general one must not confuse proposals with promises. The critics will do that time and again.
623 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:08:31am |
re: #606 prairiefire
They won't be able to buy their Scooby Doo memorabilia on Ebay if they boycott PayPal!
Ruh-roh.
624 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:08:38am |
re: #622 Rightwingconspirator
Good morning everybody. Whew D_L threw a surprise b-day party for me yesterday. Great fun, and it was a ton of work for her. I owe that lady.
I am about to check out that link, but in general one must not confuse proposals with promises. The critics will do that time and again.
Happy Happy!
625 | Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:08:39am |
Among the Geller-supporting comments on wingnut blogs, there's also a serious deluge of hatred directed at little old me again. I'm seeing dozens of Twitter posts attacking me.
626 | Nimed Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:09:07am |
re: #597 Charles
Very agitated. They're all falling in line to support the shrieking harpy, and spewing hatred at PayPal. Apparently PayPal is part of the global jihad.
Yes, they're serious.
Wow. Part of the global jihad. PayPal is not even entitled to the "useful idiot" benefit of the doubt.
627 | His Favorite Heretic Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:09:15am |
re: #617 Charles
And that's one of the classier comments. These people are feeling a touch of panic, because they know they're every bit as hateful and deranged as Geller, and they're afraid they're going to be next.
The Augean Stables known as the wingnut-o-sphere needs to be cleaned out.
628 | researchok Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:09:24am |
re: #619 reine.de.tout
That's my understanding.
Which is one reason why the effort to cap this thing, and clean it up, is getting messier and messier.
BP has not been totally forthcoming with their information; the agencies involved make their decisions based on the information they have and if they don't have complete information, their decisions will suffer.
You're absolutely right. That's why the feds have to be involved.
This isn't about regulation. It is about enforcement.
629 | KDS1 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:09:43am |
re: #620 cliffster
lambasting in general should stop, but this started with the fact that Democrats are going all-in with the idiotic theory that the oil spill is Bush's fault.
Its no one's fault. It was an act of god. Do not blame god again!
630 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:10:11am |
re: #625 Charles
Among the Geller-supporting comments on wingnut blogs, there's also a serious deluge of hatred directed at little old me again. I'm seeing dozens of Twitter posts attacking me.
Surprise, surprise. Birds of feather and all that junk.
631 | cliffster Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:10:47am |
re: #617 Charles
And that's one of the classier comments. These people are feeling a touch of panic, because they know they're every bit as hateful and deranged as Geller, and they're afraid they're going to be next.
not to worry, I'm sure there's some russian payment processing site the spoiled brats can use to support their hate mongering.
633 | Varek Raith Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:11:34am |
re: #620 cliffster
lambasting in general should stop, but this started with the fact that Democrats are going all-in with the idiotic theory that the oil spill is Bush's fault.
It should stop but, it won't. Just like those blaming Obama for the spill and saying it's "Obama's Katrina".
Yawn.
634 | Daniel Ballard Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:11:35am |
re: #632 MandyManners
Thanks very much!
635 | cliffster Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:11:44am |
re: #622 Rightwingconspirator
Good morning everybody. Whew D_L threw a surprise b-day party for me yesterday. Great fun, and it was a ton of work for her. I owe that lady.
Happy birthday to thy!
636 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:11:46am |
re: #625 Charles
Among the Geller-supporting comments on wingnut blogs, there's also a serious deluge of hatred directed at little old me again. I'm seeing dozens of Twitter posts attacking me.
Why? You're not PayPal.
637 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:11:46am |
638 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:12:04am |
re: #625 Charles
Among the Geller-supporting comments on wingnut blogs, there's also a serious deluge of hatred directed at little old me again. I'm seeing dozens of Twitter posts attacking me.
I suspect because what's going on today with Republicans is eerily similar to what went on a few years ago with counterjihad blogs.The Oath Keepers and Alex Jones are today's Vlaams Belang. People don't like being warned.
639 | KDS1 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:12:42am |
640 | cliffster Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:13:13am |
re: #633 Varek Raith
It should stop but, it won't. Just like those blaming Obama for the spill and saying it's "Obama's Katrina".
Yawn.
again, it's all politics, all the time.
642 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:13:32am |
re: #636 MandyManners
Why? You're not PayPal.
Because he shined the light on the roaches and forced them to scatter.
643 | Varek Raith Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:13:34am |
644 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:13:42am |
645 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:15:53am |
re: #622 Rightwingconspirator
Good morning everybody. Whew D_L threw a surprise b-day party for me yesterday. Great fun, and it was a ton of work for her. I owe that lady.
I am about to check out that link, but in general one must not confuse proposals with promises. The critics will do that time and again.
Happy Birthday, RWC!
646 | Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:17:02am |
Even Richard Fernandez at PJ Media is falling in to support Pamela Geller -- a person who deserves NOBODY'S support.
I swear, some days I think the right wing has become possessed by really really stupid demons.
647 | Daniel Ballard Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:17:18am |
re: #645 reine.de.tout
Thanks so much. How is your day going?
648 | McSpiff Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:17:19am |
re: #621 researchok
I know it's only an opinion but it is interesting.
Agree with just about everything in there. The feds totally dropped the ball before the spill.
My question is to what degree (if any) did any existing federal legislation force Obama to essentially follow BP's timetable and plan following the disaster?
649 | cliffster Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:17:31am |
RWC - HAPPY BIRTHDAY from Weird Al
There's garbage in the water
there's poison in the sky.
I guess it won't be long before we're all gonna die..
Happy Birthday! Happy Birthday to you!
651 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:18:04am |
re: #646 Charles
Even Richard Fernandez at PJ Media is falling in to support Pamela Geller -- a person who deserves NOBODY'S support.
I swear, some days I think the right wing has become possessed by really really stupid demons.
Sounds to me like it's time for a good old-fashioned exorcism!
652 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:18:28am |
re: #651 reine.de.tout
Sounds to me like it's time for a good old-fashioned exorcism!
I'll call Bobby ,,, you get the chicken!
653 | Varek Raith Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:18:29am |
re: #651 reine.de.tout
Sounds to me like it's time for a good old-fashioned exorcism!
THE POWER OF ZOD COMPELS YOU!
654 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:19:00am |
re: #647 Rightwingconspirator
Thanks so much. How is your day going?
Going great!
Hot as hell, here.
Yesterday I went to my brother's house to hang out in his pool for awhile.
It was TOO HOT to stay outside even in the pool!
655 | researchok Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:19:25am |
Bumper Sticker of the Day:
"If a man speaks in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong?"
656 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:19:39am |
re: #654 reine.de.tout
Going great!
Hot as hell, here.
Yesterday I went to my brother's house to hang out in his pool for awhile.
It was TOO HOT to stay outside even in the pool!
Thats why I insist my relatives have indoor pools!
/
657 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:19:45am |
re: #655 researchok
Bumper Sticker of the Day:
"If a man speaks in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong?"
Of course.
Was there really any question?
658 | KDS1 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:20:02am |
re: #655 researchok
Bumper Sticker of the Day:
"If a man speaks in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong?"
Yes.
659 | Daniel Ballard Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:20:03am |
re: #646 Charles
That is a hilarious mental picture-Imagine the exorcism. Linda Blairs head spin is great analogue to their thinking.
660 | Daniel Ballard Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:21:08am |
re: #654 reine.de.tout
We have a chamber of commerce day here. I'll be out with the camera again I think.
661 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:21:43am |
re: #657 reine.de.tout
Of course.
Was there really any question?
heheh,, met my wife for dinner last night (she was out doing errands while I was getting ready to for work)
When I got there, I had a folder for with stuff we have to do at the house (proposals from my HVAC guy, housepainter, etc)
Before I even sat down, she said "whatever it is, you're wrong."
662 | Daniel Ballard Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:21:57am |
re: #654 reine.de.tout
Maybe you need a refrigerator for the pool?
663 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:22:44am |
re: #636 MandyManners
Why? You're not PayPal.
Ah, but PayPal is used to donate, subscribe, and distribute cookbook funds!
That proves - well, proves something, I guess!
I should be getting a payment soon, I'll update everybody when I do.
664 | researchok Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:22:48am |
Next Bumper Sticker:
Eight out of ten voices in my head say 'don't shoot'.
665 | cliffster Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:23:21am |
re: #654 reine.de.tout
Going great!
Hot as hell, here.
Yesterday I went to my brother's house to hang out in his pool for awhile.
It was TOO HOT to stay outside even in the pool!
It's toasty here too. Some unexpected good news - the AC was out in my truck, and I thought I was going to be looking at north of $1,000 (or getting rid of the truck and buying a new one). It's been out all winter but I was starting to show up to work drenched in sweat so something had to give. Then a couple of days ago, it started working again.. just like that. Poof. How 'bout that?
666 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:24:05am |
re: #662 Rightwingconspirator
Maybe you need a refrigerator for the pool?
Or a big old block of ice.
Pool water was slightly cooler than body temp.
And the sun was hot.
667 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:24:08am |
re: #664 researchok
Next Bumper Sticker:
Eight out of ten voices in my head say 'don't shoot'.
My alltime favorite was on an old VW bus "hippie van"
This might not be the Mayflower, but your sister came across in it"
668 | Varek Raith Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:25:18am |
re: #664 researchok
Next Bumper Sticker:
Eight out of ten voices in my head say 'don't shoot'.
669 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:25:24am |
re: #663 reine.de.tout
Ah, but PayPal is used to donate, subscribe, and distribute cookbook funds!
That proves - well, proves something, I guess!
I should be getting a payment soon, I'll update everybody when I do.
Hooray!
670 | KDS1 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:25:51am |
re: #663 reine.de.tout
Ah, but PayPal is used to donate, subscribe, and distribute cookbook funds!
That proves - well, proves something, I guess!
I should be getting a payment soon, I'll update everybody when I do.
I was thinking about buying one, just for the cause... But shipment costs might be quite high. Maybe i'll buy it and send to someone in the U.S...
671 | researchok Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:25:52am |
Two more:
Yes, this is my truck. No, I will not help you move.
Four out of three people have trouble with fractions.
672 | prairiefire Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:26:33am |
re: #622 Rightwingconspirator
A surprise party? So you did not go on a hike? Great!
673 | cliffster Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:27:09am |
re: #664 researchok
Next Bumper Sticker:
Eight out of ten voices in my head say 'don't shoot'.
Plumber's slogan - "We repair what your husband fixed"
Optometrist - "If you don't see what your looking for, you've come to the right place."
Funeral home - "Drive carefully, we'll wait."
674 | Daniel Ballard Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:27:22am |
re: #666 reine.de.tout
Ugh. The longest day is next week I think. Peak sun now. You know it's hot when the pool is too warm that's for sure.
675 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:27:30am |
re: #671 researchok
Two more:
Yes, this is my truck. No, I will not help you move.
Four out of three people have trouble with fractions.
All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.
676 | cliffster Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:27:41am |
re: #671 researchok
Two more:
Yes, this is my truck. No, I will not help you move.
Four out of three people have trouble with fractions.
There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those that know binary and those that don't.
677 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:28:21am |
As Long As There Are Tests, There Will Be Prayer In Public Schools
678 | Ojoe Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:28:38am |
Here are two bumperstickers:
Stop Continental Drift
"Death to all Fanatics"
680 | Daniel Ballard Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:29:01am |
re: #672 prairiefire
Heh. The hike got me out of the way for the setup. The whole courtyard was decorated and everything set up. I thought D_L was texting a lot... We went way up Little Tujunga Canyon and hiked a fire road. Yuccas in bloom big time.
681 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:29:29am |
Haha!
e-mail just now from a friend of mine, who is completely stupid when it comes to computers. She just bought an iPhone and had no clue that she could sync it through iTunes. I had to go to her house and install iTunes and show her what to do. She wrote everything down - step 1, hook up the phone. Step 2, open iTunes. Step 3 - click on phone. Step 4 - Click "sync". LOL
When her printer broke, I went with her to get a new printer and installed it for her.
Her most recent e-mail: If I use the printer to copy something (not print from the computer), does it use ink from the ink cartridge?
LOL! I wonder where she thought the ink came from?
She is otherwise quite smart. Technology, though - is just beyond her ken.
682 | researchok Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:29:59am |
There is plenty of room for all God's creatures. Right next to my mashed potatoes.
683 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:30:23am |
one for each side
Clean up America. Kill a redneck!
and
Buy a gun. Piss off the liberals.
684 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:30:51am |
Maybe you'd drive better if you had that phone shoved up your ass!
685 | prairiefire Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:30:59am |
re: #680 Rightwingconspirator
Heh. The hike got me out of the way for the setup. The whole courtyard was decorated and everything set up. I thought D_L was texting a lot... We went way up Little Tujunga Canyon and hiked a fire road. Yuccas in bloom big time.
So you got to do both! Does 50 feel scary? It used to make me faint to think about it. Now that I'm 48 it is just around the corner!
687 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:31:16am |
re: #670 KDS1
I was thinking about buying one, just for the cause... But shipment costs might be quite high. Maybe i'll buy it and send to someone in the U.S...
Please do!
690 | researchok Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:31:33am |
WARNING: Driver carries only $20 worth of ammunition.
691 | prairiefire Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:31:55am |
re: #681 reine.de.tout
I can remember when the fax machine was a marvel.
692 | Joo-LiZ Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:32:07am |
re: #681 reine.de.tout
Haha!
e-mail just now from a friend of mine, who is completely stupid when it comes to computers. She just bought an iPhone and had no clue that she could sync it through iTunes. I had to go to her house and install iTunes and show her what to do. She wrote everything down - step 1, hook up the phone. Step 2, open iTunes. Step 3 - click on phone. Step 4 - Click "sync". LOLWhen her printer broke, I went with her to get a new printer and installed it for her.
Her most recent e-mail: If I use the printer to copy something (not print from the computer), does it use ink from the ink cartridge?
LOL! I wonder where she thought the ink came from?
She is otherwise quite smart. Technology, though - is just beyond her ken.
I know people like that, as amusing as it can be, I just get exasperated. I like to think of myself as a patient person -- but that sort of cluelessness gets to me.
694 | cliffster Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:32:40am |
re: #681 reine.de.tout
If she's anything like some of my friends/family, there's a note next to her computer:
Steps for Fixing Computer Problems:
1) Call Reine
695 | Cato the Elder Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:33:00am |
re: #677 sattv4u2
As Long As There Are Tests, There Will Be Prayer In Public Schools
And as long as students don't study, they will become atheists after seeing the inefficacy of prayer.
696 | Daniel Ballard Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:33:08am |
re: #685 prairiefire
So you got to do both! Does 50 feel scary? It used to make me faint to think about it. Now that I'm 48 it is just around the corner!
It does not feel scary, but more reflection I guess. I was joking at the party that I'm such an optimist, I had my "mid life" crisis at 50. Pessimists should have that at about 30.
697 | Varek Raith Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:33:22am |
re: #691 prairiefire
I can remember when the fax machine was a marvel.
Gutenberg invented that, right???
/
698 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:33:24am |
re: #670 KDS1
I was thinking about buying one, just for the cause... But shipment costs might be quite high. Maybe i'll buy it and send to someone in the U.S...
I don't know where you are, but if not in the US, yes, shipping could be as much as the book (or more!).
Buy it and send it to someone here - when you order there is a way you can set up a "ship to" address separate from the billing address.
AND NOTE: I see no personal information about purchasers, not names or locations or anything else. You will get an auto-thank-you note, sent by lulu.com, so I won't even know your email address (unless you respond to the auto e-mail, then it does come to me at my email).
699 | researchok Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:33:25am |
Marriage is finding that special person you want to annoy for the rest of your life.
700 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:33:33am |
re: #685 prairiefire
So you got to do both! Does 50 feel scary? It used to make me faint to think about it. Now that I'm 48 it is just around the corner!
C'mon ,, jump in ,,, it's not that bad !!
(56 here)
THE one I dreaded for some reason was 35!
With my family history (maternal male side) non of them lasted past 70. So at 35 I figured "damn ,, it's half over !!)
701 | KDS1 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:34:00am |
702 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:34:11am |
re: #691 prairiefire
I can remember when the fax machine was a marvel.
I can remember the machines that were used before FAX machines. Can't recall what we called that process . . .
Hell, my first job ever was punching cards. Anybody even know what a keypunch card is anymore?
703 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:34:31am |
Geez, all these old folks around. Makes me glad that I'm...*counts on fingers*...26...I think.
704 | PhillyPretzel Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:34:38am |
re: #694 cliffster
There must be a note over my step mom's computer: Call Maddie for help.
705 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:34:44am |
re: #702 reine.de.tout
I can remember the machines that were used before FAX machines. Can't recall what we called that process . . .
Hell, my first job ever was punching cards. Anybody even know what a keypunch card is anymore?
I do,, I do ,, what do I win!?!?!
706 | Varek Raith Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:34:53am |
re: #703 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Geez, all these old folks around. Makes me glad that I'm...*counts on fingers*...26...I think.
Lol, so am I!
:)
707 | researchok Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:35:09am |
If at first you don't succeed, try doing the way your husband told you.
If at first you don't succeed, try doing the way your wife told you.
708 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:35:11am |
re: #703 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Geez, all these old folks around. Makes me glad that I'm...*counts on fingers*...26...I think.
26 !!!
Hell,,, I have things in my freezer older than that!
709 | Cato the Elder Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:35:15am |
Why get married? Just find a woman who hates you and give her a house!
711 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:35:49am |
re: #694 cliffster
If she's anything like some of my friends/family, there's a note next to her computer:
Steps for Fixing Computer Problems:
1) Call Reine
LOL!
Yes, that is exactly what she does!
She lives in another town about 30 minutes away. So it's a good excuse to go visit her, plus she treats me to lunch each time at the local cafe, which has good food and is an interesting place. So it's all good.
713 | Varek Raith Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:35:58am |
714 | McSpiff Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:36:07am |
re: #708 sattv4u2
26 !!!
Hell,,, I have things in my freezer older than that!
And I'm old enough to remember you used that joke on my birthday! :D
715 | researchok Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:36:18am |
Overheard at Starbucks: "I'll have a cafe mocha vodka xanax latte to go please".
716 | KDS1 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:36:23am |
re: #698 reine.de.tout
I don't know where you are, but if not in the US, yes, shipping could be as much as the book (or more!).
Buy it and send it to someone here - when you order there is a way you can set up a "ship to" address separate from the billing address.
AND NOTE: I see no personal information about purchasers, not names or locations or anything else. You will get an auto-thank-you note, sent by lulu.com, so I won't even know your email address (unless you respond to the auto e-mail, then it does come to me at my email).
I'm not worried about that at all. You can have my address and e-mail anytime. I just need to decide where i want to send it...
717 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:36:34am |
Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anywayre: #714 McSpiff
And I'm old enough to remember you used that joke on my birthday! :D
Well,, that stuff is STILL in my freezer !!
718 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:36:44am |
re: #705 sattv4u2
I do,, I do ,, what do I win!?!?!
You just admitted to being old, friend.
Not sure that qualifies you to win anything.
719 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:36:50am |
re: #708 sattv4u2
26 !!!
Hell,,, I have things in my freezer older than that!
Next, you'll tell me to get off your lawn, right?
720 | prairiefire Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:36:55am |
re: #702 reine.de.tout
I do, I do. My first job at McDonald's, I had to write down the order on a pad and cypher the columns of prices to give them their total. Then make change.
Old, old, old, school.
721 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:37:12am |
re: #719 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Next, you'll tell me to get off your lawn, right?
AND TURN DOWN THAT AWFUL MUSIC
722 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:38:19am |
APROPOS for a BLOG
Everyone Is Entitled To My Opinion
723 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:38:49am |
724 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:39:09am |
Also apropos for a blog (in some instances)
Everytime you speak you make someone dumber for listening to you.
725 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:39:51am |
Hey idiot- You're driving a car, not a phone booth
726 | Varek Raith Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:40:17am |
727 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:41:04am |
re: #720 prairiefire
I do, I do. My first job at McDonald's, I had to write down the order on a pad and cypher the columns of prices to give them their total. Then make change.
Old, old, old, school.
Do you know - people have no clue anymore how to make change, unless the machine tells them how much change to get?
Remember when they use to patiently count it out into your hand, rather than than grabbing the change and stuffing it into your hand so they can go on to the next customer?
The other day at Wal-Mart, as I was checking out, I told the cashier I wanted to write the check for $20 over and get cash back. She couldn't add $20 to the total and get the amount right! I was speechless.
728 | researchok Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:42:01am |
729 | Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:42:38am |
re: #727 reine.de.tout
Do you know - people have no clue anymore how to make change, unless the machine tells them how much change to get?
Remember when they use to patiently count it out into your hand, rather than than grabbing the change and stuffing it into your hand so they can go on to the next customer?
The other day at Wal-Mart, as I was checking out, I told the cashier I wanted to write the check for $20 over and get cash back. She couldn't add $20 to the total and get the amount right! I was speechless.
They're not programmed to work like that...
730 | cliffster Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:42:46am |
731 | cliffster Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:43:18am |
732 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:43:26am |
733 | bratwurst Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:44:09am |
re: #477 Nimed
Well, it was not just a moral victory, it was a result that increases our chances to make it out of the Group stage. The last (and only) time that happened was 80 years ago!
Forgetting 2002 are we?
736 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:44:53am |
738 | cliffster Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:45:35am |
739 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:45:55am |
re: #715 researchok
Overheard at Starbucks: "I'll have a cafe mocha vodka xanax latte to go please".
Quit eavesdropping on me.
740 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:46:26am |
Found while searching for Varek's prize:
741 | Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:46:31am |
re: #737 Varek Raith
742 | PhillyPretzel Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:47:09am |
re: #738 cliffster
Physics was not my subject in school.
743 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:47:49am |
re: #729 JasonA
They're not programmed to work like that...
exactly
If the register doesn't "tell" them, they're lost
FUN for me
Buy something, wait till they ring it in (lets say it's $12.37) hand them a $20
Wait till they ring in the $20 THEN hand them twelve cents.
what,,,I like the "deer in the headlights" look!
744 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:48:03am |
745 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:48:14am |
re: #655 researchok
Bumper Sticker of the Day:
"If a man speaks in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong?"
I like men like my coffee, ground up in the freezer.
746 | Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:48:47am |
re: #743 sattv4u2
exactly
If the register doesn't "tell" them, they're lost
FUN for me
Buy something, wait till they ring it in (lets say it's $12.37) hand them a $20
Wait till they ring in the $20 THEN hand them twelve cents.what,,,I like the "deer in the headlights" look!
You need to be careful with that or they might learn something...
748 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:50:02am |
re: #746 JasonA
You need to be careful with that or they might learn something...
Yeah ,, how to use the intercom to call the manager!
750 | Boogberg Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:50:59am |
re: #743 sattv4u2
exactly
If the register doesn't "tell" them, they're lost
FUN for me
Buy something, wait till they ring it in (lets say it's $12.37) hand them a $20
Wait till they ring in the $20 THEN hand them twelve cents.what,,,I like the "deer in the headlights" look!
Lol! I always hated that. Customers think they're helping but they aren't.
751 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:51:09am |
re: #743 sattv4u2
exactly
If the register doesn't "tell" them, they're lost
FUN for me
Buy something, wait till they ring it in (lets say it's $12.37) hand them a $20
Wait till they ring in the $20 THEN hand them twelve cents.what,,,I like the "deer in the headlights" look!
Having worked a modern register during the lunch rush, I gotta tell ya, that's one of my pet peeves. When I've already whacked the $20 button and the computer's already pop the drawer and belched out the receipt, then the customer hands me change to "round it up." It's not that I can't do it in my head, it's that it makes it easier for the till to get screwed up at the end of the shift.
752 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:51:30am |
re: #747 McSpiff
Who uses cash anymore? pfft. Old people.
you rang!?!?
Seriously,,, $20 and under ,, cash more often than not (unless I'm buying something for less and want some cash back!)
More than $20, usually debit
753 | PhillyPretzel Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:51:40am |
re: #744 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Ty. Still puzzled by physics
754 | Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:51:59am |
re: #750 Boogberg
Lol! I always hated that. Customers think they're helping but they aren't.
I never think I'm helping. I just hate carrying loose change.
755 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:52:24am |
re: #750 Boogberg
Lol! I always hated that. Customers think they're helping but they aren't.
No no ,,, I don';t do it to "help"
I do it for my own amusement to see IF they can figure it out!!
(hey ,, I'm old ,, I have so little to look forward too!!))
756 | KDS1 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:52:24am |
If my penis was that short, i'd drive an SUV, too.
757 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:53:26am |
re: #751 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Having worked a modern register during the lunch rush, I gotta tell ya, that's one of my pet peeves. When I've already whacked the $20 button and the computer's already pop the drawer and belched out the receipt, then the customer hands me change to "round it up." It's not that I can't do it in my head, it's that it makes it easier for the till to get screwed up at the end of the shift.
see #755
I don't do it if theres a line behind me
758 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:53:59am |
re: #754 JasonA
I never think I'm helping. I just hate carrying loose change.
That too
I want to end the day with NO pennies in my pockets
759 | Boogberg Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:54:05am |
re: #754 JasonA
I never think I'm helping. I just hate carrying loose change.
Well that's just stupid. :D
760 | Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:54:24am |
re: #752 sattv4u2
omg... I've had people pull out the card for $3 purchases. I just look at them funny while I process it.
Fun fact: those signs that say you must purchase $10, $15, etc. or more to use a credit card? You're not supposed to do that according to your contract with the cc companies.
761 | McSpiff Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:55:35am |
re: #752 sattv4u2
All debit here. Mostly because my bank seems to hide its ATMs on top of the highest mountains and in the darkest valleys. For me to go to another ATM will usually cost me $3.00.
762 | Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:55:44am |
763 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:56:18am |
re: #757 sattv4u2
see #755
I don't do it if theres a line behind me
It's alright, it's not really towards the top of my pet peeves. Those slots are reserved for the real assholes, like the ones who can't be bothered to end their cellphone calls, or think they can haggle about the price, or ask if it's possible to change out something that comes on the sub already for something that costs extra for no cost.
764 | Varek Raith Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:56:23am |
re: #761 McSpiff
All debit here. Mostly because my bank seems to hide its ATMs on top of the highest mountains and in the darkest valleys. For me to go to another ATM will usually cost me $3.00.
Srsly.
My bank's ATMs are equipped with cloaking devices...
765 | cliffster Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:56:30am |
re: #755 sattv4u2
No no ,,, I don';t do it to "help"
I do it for my own amusement to see IF they can figure it out!!(hey ,, I'm old ,, I have so little to look forward too!!))
even better - give them the wrong amount of loose change, so that it rounds up to a weird number. watch head explode
766 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:57:03am |
re: #754 JasonA
I never think I'm helping. I just hate carrying loose change.
Hey man, I hated that movie too, but that's not a good reason to pawn it off on others.
/
767 | Boogberg Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:57:47am |
re: #760 JasonA
omg... I've had people pull out the card for $3 purchases. I just look at them funny while I process it.
Fun fact: those signs that say you must purchase $10, $15, etc. or more to use a credit card? You're not supposed to do that according to your contract with the cc companies.
I didn't know that. I know that each electronic transaction costs the merchant though.
768 | cliffster Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:58:38am |
I'm off for a long run. Wish me luck in not dying of heatstroke.
769 | McSpiff Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:58:48am |
re: #765 cliffster
even better - give them the wrong amount of loose change, so that it rounds up to a weird number. watch head explode
Even funnier when the cashier says "No" to weird amounts of change. I've seen it happen, gets old people all in a tizzy.
770 | Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:59:00am |
re: #767 Boogberg
I didn't know that. I know that each electronic transaction costs the merchant though.
Yes, it does. :(
But I suppose those poor cc companies have to make money somehow...
771 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:59:15am |
re: #763 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
It's alright, it's not really towards the top of my pet peeves. Those slots are reserved for the real assholes, like the ones who can't be bothered to end their cellphone calls, or think they can haggle about the price, or ask if it's possible to change out something that comes on the sub already for something that costs extra for no cost.
#1 on my list (at stores/ malls/ etc) are the people with handicap placards hanging from the mirror for when the person in their family who IS handicapped is in the car parking in the handicapped spot when that person is NOT in the car
772 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:00:08am |
re: #768 cliffster
I'm off for a long run. Wish me luck in not dying of heatstroke.
We'll have a nice Lizard funeral for you!
773 | Boogberg Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:00:21am |
re: #762 JasonA
We need to get rid of the penny dammit!
Yeah I agree. I heard it actually costs more to manufacture and distribute pennies than they're worth. WTF?!
774 | Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:00:38am |
re: #768 cliffster
I'm off for a long run. Wish me luck in not dying of heatstroke.
Sooo... what do you want to die of then?
/
775 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:01:30am |
re: #771 sattv4u2
#1 on my list (at stores/ malls/ etc) are the people with handicap placards hanging from the mirror for when the person in their family who IS handicapped is in the car parking in the handicapped spot when that person is NOT in the car
Or the ones who sit there in the middle of the parking lot, backing up traffic while waiting for minutes on end just to get a spot.
776 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:01:37am |
re: #771 sattv4u2
#1 on my list (at stores/ malls/ etc) are the people with handicap placards hanging from the mirror for when the person in their family who IS handicapped is in the car parking in the handicapped spot when that person is NOT in the car
Actually, the driver could be disabled with something that does not require a wheelchair, such as a heart condition of COPD or arthritis.
777 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:02:18am |
re: #774 JasonA
Sooo... what do you want to die of then?
/
I want to be kidnapped by a roving band of nymphomaniacs
778 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:03:05am |
re: #772 sattv4u2
We'll have a nice Lizard funeral for you!
A Lizard funeral? Is that anything like a Viking funeral?
779 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:04:02am |
re: #775 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Or the ones who sit there in the middle of the parking lot, backing up traffic while waiting for minutes on end just to get a spot.
Or the ones that stop by the curb so they can get out, go to the ATM thats just inside the store, leaving their car running and a six year old in the front seat to "watch" the car
780 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:05:09am |
re: #776 MandyManners
Actually, the driver could be disabled with something that does not require a wheelchair, such as a heart condition of COPD or arthritis.
Not in Georgia, South Carolina or Mass
Handicap PLATES indicate the driver has an affliction
the removable placard indicates someone you DRIVE often does
781 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:05:29am |
re: #778 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
A Lizard funeral? Is that anything like a Viking funeral?
The same, except for the differences
782 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:05:29am |
re: #779 sattv4u2
Or the ones that stop by the curb so they can get out, go to the ATM thats just inside the store, leaving their car running and a six year old in the front seat to "watch" the car
Or the pedestrians who march out into the street, not even taking the time to look both ways, as though they expect cars to stop automatically.
783 | Varek Raith Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:06:14am |
784 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:06:29am |
re: #782 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Or the pedestrians who march out into the street, not even taking the time to look both ways, as though they expect cars to stop automatically.
I don't,, but I have excuses
A) I'm old
B) I don't like people!
785 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:07:33am |
re: #780 sattv4u2
Not in Georgia, South Carolina or Mass
Handicap PLATES indicate the driver has an affliction
the removable placard indicates someone you DRIVE often does
Well, that's cheating.
786 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:07:58am |
re: #782 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Or the pedestrians who march out into the street, not even taking the time to look both ways, as though they expect cars to stop automatically.
Darwin candidates.
787 | reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:08:41am |
788 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:10:46am |
re: #785 MandyManners
Well, that's cheating.
ya think??
Years ago, I was in a mall parking lot
A car pulls into a handicap spot. 4 teens get out. No handicap plates, no placards. I called to them to let them know they just parked in a handicap spot (perhaps they didn't notice,, benefit of the doubt)
I was told "shut up old man, we're only going to be a minute"
Okay ,, so they go into the mall. I proceed to let all the air out of the back right and front left tires (figuring at best they only have ONE spare)
They come out, I look at them and say "NOW you're handicapped!"
789 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:11:09am |
re: #786 MandyManners
Darwin candidates.
Damn skippy. I'd mow'em down if it weren't for the fact that it'd do damage to the front of my SUV.
I view them with the same contempt I do the morons who breeze through a stop sign while driving through a neighborhood, then give you a dirty look if you honk your horn at them in annoyance.
790 | sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:12:01am |
re: #789 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Damn skippy. I'd mow'em down if it weren't for the fact that it'd do damage to the front of my SUV.I view them with the same contempt I do the morons who breeze through a stop sign while driving through a neighborhood, then give you a dirty look if you honk your horn at them in annoyance.
hmmm,,, maybe thats the weird nose I hear coming from under the front of my Explorer!
791 | Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:14:02am |
*sigh* Some of you guys actually seem pretty cool when we're not talking about politics. :P
792 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:17:50am |
re: #791 JasonA
*sigh* Some of you guys actually seem pretty cool when we're not talking about politics. :P
Yeah, at least until I get songs like this stuck in my head:
793 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:18:08am |
re: #788 sattv4u2
ya think??
Years ago, I was in a mall parking lot
A car pulls into a handicap spot. 4 teens get out. No handicap plates, no placards. I called to them to let them know they just parked in a handicap spot (perhaps they didn't notice,, benefit of the doubt)
I was told "shut up old man, we're only going to be a minute"
Okay ,, so they go into the mall. I proceed to let all the air out of the back right and front left tires (figuring at best they only have ONE spare)
They come out, I look at them and say "NOW you're handicapped!"
Nowadays you might get your shit blown away.
794 | Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:18:56am |
re: #792 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
lalalala I can't hear you lalalala
795 | MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:19:11am |
re: #789 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Damn skippy. I'd mow'em down if it weren't for the fact that it'd do damage to the front of my SUV.
I view them with the same contempt I do the morons who breeze through a stop sign while driving through a neighborhood, then give you a dirty look if you honk your horn at them in annoyance.
If everyone who did something stupid were killed, the world would be a lonely place.
796 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:20:30am |
re: #794 JasonA
lalalala I can't hear you lalalala
Hey, at least the reason it's in my head was a good one:
797 | Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:21:08am |
Oh, Target. Have you seen the new FO: New Vegas gameplay trailer?
798 | Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:21:31am |
799 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:28:25am |
re: #797 JasonA
Oh, Target. Have you seen the new FO: New Vegas gameplay trailer?
Gee, how'd you guess? I also saw the pre-order bonuses too. Yeehaw!
800 | Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:29:34am |
re: #799 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Gee, how'd you guess? I also saw the pre-order bonuses too. Yeehaw!
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I hate it when they do that. Four different packs for four different merchants. Ugh.
801 | Donna Ballard Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:30:55am |
Good Morning and Happy Sunday Everyone!
802 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:30:55am |
re: #800 JasonA
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I hate it when they do that. Four different packs for four different merchants. Ugh.
I'm looking at the Gamestop "Classic Pack." Armored Vault 13 Suit and canteen, along with a weathered 10mm pistol and 5 stimpaks.
803 | Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:32:07am |
re: #802 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I'm looking at the Gamestop "Classic Pack." Armored Vault 13 Suit and canteen, along with a weathered 10mm pistol and 5 stimpaks.
I give it a week before I can get all that stuff on FO Nexus anyway.
804 | Donna Ballard Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:33:12am |
re: #791 JasonA
*sigh* Some of you guys actually seem pretty cool when we're not talking about politics. :P
Don't worry Jason, you'll get used to it. Or your head'll explode, which ever comes first! ;-)
805 | Targetpractice Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:34:11am |
re: #803 JasonA
I give it a week before I can get all that stuff on FO Nexus anyway.
Yeah, that's my guess too. But I'm going to reserve the game anyway, namely the Collector's Edition, just as did with FO3, so I might as well stack on the good stuff.
806 | Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:35:00am |
re: #805 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah, that's my guess too. But I'm going to reserve the game anyway, namely the Collector's Edition, just as did with FO3, so I might as well stack on the good stuff.
Must... have... deck of Fallout playing cards...
807 | ClaudeMonet Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:22:56pm |
re: #458 ralphieboy
We already been through that: those people are singing and carousing and having a good time because they are nihilist, socialist, existentialist death cultists.
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And because there's generally nothing else to do while watching and waiting for SOMETHING to happen.