The Battle of the Fox News Blondes

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Fox News’s Megyn Kelly gets into a raging right wing slap fight with Kirsten Powers, bullying, insulting, and refusing to let Powers speak, when Powers dares to depart from the idiotic Fox News talking points on the New Black Panthers phony scandal. Megyn Kelly actually believes the Justice Department has an official policy against prosecuting cases with black defendants and white plaintiffs. Good grief.

Looking around the right wing blogs, I see that a lot of them think Kelly comes off well in this clip. And the person who uploaded it to YouTube obviously thinks so, too.

What color is the sky on their planet?

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284 comments
1 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:33:11am

Well Me-OWW!

2 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:34:20am

Two blonds enter, one blond leaves! Two blonds enter, one blond leaves!

3 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:35:29am

michael vick went to prison for promoting dog fighting. what is the penalty in Cali for promoting cat fighting? Charles, you might wanna get lawhawk on the phone.

4 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:35:47am

They did it, they threw out a spurious claim to put the DOJ in the position of having to deny it, thus provoking the pre-programmed shouts of righteous rage.

5 garhighway  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:37:16am

Isn’t that supposed to be one of Fox News’s “news” shows? As opposed to their “opinion” shows (O’Reilly, Beck, et al)?

6 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:37:59am
What color is the sky on their planet?

They try not to look at it, lest the US Government’s orbital mind control rays target them. Come ON, Charles, keep up with the times./

7 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:38:36am

Don’t talk over me!

8 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:39:46am

Interesting… congressman Sherman said he was not aware of the case about the Black Panthers… What color is the sky on his planet?.

9 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:39:49am

I saw that live. This is fine entertainment during the day.

10 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:41:28am

re: #9 NJDhockeyfan

I saw that live. This is fine entertainment during the day.

Megan is one passionate lady … and a fellow ‘Cuse alum.

11 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:41:51am

Megyn’s got a short fuse.

12 webevintage  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:42:31am

I guess Kelly is working on her Tea party cred?
Maybe she is hoping to get a show like Bill O….

(really she is part of all that is wrong in this country.)

13 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:42:40am
14 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:42:46am

re: #2 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Two blonds enter, one blond leaves! Two blonds enter, one blond leaves!

Wait…let me get the jello.

15 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:42:46am

re: #10 _RememberTonyC

Megan is one passionate lady … and a fellow ‘Cuse alum.

That seems more like spite than passion to me.

This is bizarre that this is considered worth putting on the air. It’s a crazy argument in the first place, and Megan’s ‘argument’ contains nothing recognizable as actual argument, just assertions and invective.

16 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:43:00am

re: #10 _RememberTonyC

Megan is one passionate lady … and a fellow ‘Cuse alum.

Well, in my eyes she came of like a complete idiot in this clip — and an aggressive, hostile idiot too.

A microcosm of the modern right wing.

17 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:43:46am

re: #16 Charles

Well, in my eyes she came of like a complete idiot in this clip — and an aggressive, hostile idiot too.

A microcosm of the modern right wing.

And she’s supposed to be one of the less partisan spokesmodels on Fox?

18 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:44:04am

It would be a mismanagement of my time to watch it a second time. However, I did kind of enjoy it when I watched yesterday. My reaction:

Hahaha. “Don’t make me cut your mic.”

Ooooh, scary.

I’m glad I have no TV.

19 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:44:09am

re: #14 darthstar

Wait…let me get the jello.

Alright, but we flip a coin to see who gets to be referee.

20 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:44:17am

That was righteous indignation: they have a message here: Obama coddles black criminals. It must be established here and now so it can be expanded upon in future news reports.

21 webevintage  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:45:58am

The “Kirsten Powers Incident” will forever remind FOX Folks of what happens when one goes off the script and dares to question the outrage of the day.
Or forces Megan “with a Y” to stop reading her teleprompter…she will cut a bitch.

22 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:45:59am

re: #15 Obdicut

That seems more like spite than passion to me.

This is bizarre that this is considered worth putting on the air. It’s a crazy argument in the first place, and Megan’s ‘argument’ contains nothing recognizable as actual argument, just assertions and invective.

You want to know why it made it on the air? Simple enough: Two attractive young ladies engaging in a fierce “debate” on live television. Hook, line, sinker.

23 Lidane  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:46:26am

Meanwhile, Sarah Palin tackles immigration on Bill O’Reilly’s show:

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24 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:46:29am

re: #15 Obdicut

That seems more like spite than passion to me.

This is bizarre that this is considered worth putting on the air. It’s a crazy argument in the first place, and Megan’s ‘argument’ contains nothing recognizable as actual argument, just assertions and invective.

An argument isn’t just contradiction.

It can be.

No it can’t. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.

No it isn’t.

Yes it is! It’s not just contradiction.

Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.

Yes, but that’s not just saying ‘No it isn’t.’

Yes it is!

No it isn’t!

Yes it is!

Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.

No it isn’t.

25 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:47:59am

re: #8 Walter L. Newton

Interesting… congressman Sherman said he was not aware of the case about the Black Panthers… What color is the sky on his planet?.

Megan has no proof that “the Justice Department has an official policy against prosecuting cases with black defendants and white plaintiffs.” There has been an allegation made, but nothing proved… but looking over the video above, like I already comment, the real “outrage” is that a standing congressman could actually claim to be unfamiliar with the New Black Panther Party case. I’m not sure which is more bothersome to me, if he is telling the truth or if he is trying to avoid the issue?

26 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:48:03am

OT: The Denver Post Endorses McInnis’ withdrawal

If Scott McInnis cannot be trusted to turn in what amounts to an overpaid term paper — without plagiarizing someone else’s work — there is no way he can be relied upon to guide Colorado through these complicated times.
27 Lidane  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:48:11am

re: #15 Obdicut

Megan’s ‘argument’ contains nothing recognizable as actual argument, just assertions and invective.

In other words, it’s par for the course for Fox News.

28 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:48:52am

re: #25 Walter L. Newton

Megan has no proof that “the Justice Department has an official policy against prosecuting cases with black defendants and white plaintiffs.” There has been an allegation made, but nothing proved… but looking over the video above, like I already comment, the real “outrage” is that a standing congressman could actually claim to be unfamiliar with the New Black Panther Party case. I’m not sure which is more bothersome to me, if he is telling the truth or if he is trying to avoid the issue?

Black President. Black Attorney General. What more proof do you need?
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29 webevintage  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:49:25am

re: #15 Obdicut


This is bizarre that this is considered worth putting on the air. It’s a crazy argument in the first place, and Megan’s ‘argument’ contains nothing recognizable as actual argument, just assertions and invective.

Truth has no place on FOX if there is a chance it will fuck with the narrative that Obama and Holder are scary Black Panther racists out to get the white man.

30 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:50:42am

re: #26 darthstar

OT: The Denver Post Endorses McInnis’ withdrawal

I’m not trying to support McInnis, because there are many reasons that I am not interested in him getting the nomination, but really, the Post would be expected to do otherwise.

And it’s a little premature, to say the least. There are still valid questions on how much he was or wasn’t involved in the plagiarized material… and that information has not been disclosed as of yet.

This is just preemptive politicking by the Post.

31 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:50:42am

re: #25 Walter L. Newton

Why is that outrageous? It’s a very unimportant case.

32 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:50:48am

re: #16 Charles

Well, in my eyes she came of like a complete idiot in this clip — and an aggressive, hostile idiot too.

A microcosm of the modern right wing.

yeah, but i have watched her for years. her total body of work is not usually represented by what this clip contained. she and others need to dial it back a bit. but passion can turn quickly to anger sometimes. it happens to all of us, but she let herself go too far on this one. and if I were her producer, we’d watch that clip this morning before today’s show and make sure there is no repeat. She is better that this …

33 Stanley Sea  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:51:18am

Teaparty billboard in Iowa that compared Obama to Hitler and Lenin taken down.

34 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:52:21am

re: #28 darthstar

Black President. Black Attorney General. What more proof do you need?
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As I said… “…trying to avoid the issue.” You didn’t even address what was my main point of contention in my comment. No surprise.

35 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:52:25am

re: #30 Walter L. Newton

I’m not trying to support McInnis, because there are many reasons that I am not interested in him getting the nomination, but really, the Post would be expected to do otherwise.

And it’s a little premature, to say the least. There are still valid questions on how much he was or wasn’t involved in the plagiarized material… and that information has not been disclosed as of yet.

This is just preemptive politicking by the Post.

He put his name on it. He got paid for it. He was even contracted to write his own material. Blaming a ‘research assistant’ for something you claimed you had no help on in the first place is called lying.

36 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:53:05am

re: #15 Obdicut

That seems more like spite than passion to me.

This is bizarre that this is considered worth putting on the air. It’s a crazy argument in the first place, and Megan’s ‘argument’ contains nothing recognizable as actual argument, just assertions and invective.


Kelly will learn from this. It would not shock me at all if she and Kirsten publicly patched this up and vowed to do better in the future. Powers is a very sane progressive … one of my favorites.

37 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:53:33am

re: #34 Walter L. Newton

As I said… “…trying to avoid the issue.” You didn’t even address what was my main point of contention in my comment. No surprise.

Congressmen aren’t expected to be current on every case in the Judicial System. That’s a non-starter.

38 webevintage  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:53:34am

re: #33 Stanley Sea

Teaparty billboard in Iowa that compared Obama to Hitler and Lenin taken down.

OMG!!1111!!!
Censorship!!!!!!
Freedom of Speech!!!!!
No speaking out against THE ONE!!!!!
/

Malkin now has no reason to write a post on this….

39 Lidane  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:53:48am

re: #33 Stanley Sea

Teaparty billboard in Iowa that compared Obama to Hitler and Lenin taken down.

Already? That was quick.

40 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:53:54am

re: #32 _RememberTonyC

yeah, but i have watched her for years. her total body of work is not usually represented by what this clip contained. she and others need to dial it back a bit. but passion can turn quickly to anger sometimes. it happens to all of us, but she let herself go too far on this one. and if I were her producer, we’d watch that clip this morning before today’s show and make sure there is no repeat. She is better that this …

Note also that the reason for her freak-out — the idea that the Justice Dept. has a policy against prosecuting cases with black defendants and white plaintiffs — is a ludicrous fantasy with absolutely no basis in reality. This isn’t something a little advice from a producer can fix. It’s part and parcel of the garbage Fox News shovels every day, 24/7/365.

41 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:54:27am

re: #33 Stanley Sea

Teaparty billboard in Iowa that compared Obama to Hitler and Lenin taken down.

That’s too bad. It was so over the top that it was bound to help Democrats.

42 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:54:57am

re: #35 darthstar

He put his name on it. He got paid for it. He was even contracted to write his own material. Blaming a ‘research assistant’ for something you claimed you had no help on in the first place is called lying.

You didn’t read my comment carefully, did you. We have a lot of information from one side of the issue. McInnis has only made some general responses to the charges and claims he will be looking into it and delivering more detail very soon. Whether that’s posturing right now, lying, trying to plan a cover up, it’s still not a totally settled issue.

I hope if you ever have to go to court, someone give you a chance to lay forth your arguments before just pulling the switch.

43 Stanley Sea  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:55:05am

re: #38 webevintage

OMG!!1111!!!
Censorship!!!
Freedom of Speech!!!
No speaking out against THE ONE!!!
/

Malkin now has no reason to write a post on this…

The censored themselves!

44 The Curmudgeon  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:55:12am

I love Megyn Kelly! I don’t mind the down-dings. My heart is pure, my cause is just.

45 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:55:23am

re: #37 darthstar

Congressmen aren’t expected to be current on every case in the Judicial System. That’s a non-starter.

Fair answer. I don’t agree, but fair answer.

46 Kragar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:55:27am

I see only one possible way to resolve this issue fairly.

Topless hot oil wrestling.

I will be the impartial referee.

47 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:55:33am

re: #33 Stanley Sea

Teaparty billboard in Iowa that compared Obama to Hitler and Lenin taken down.

Of course it was — the Tea Party pod people are trying their best to look like respectable human beings these days, after the NAACP resolution and all the criticism over their blatant racism and extremism. The national astroturfers probably read the riot act to the North Iowa Tea Party rubes.

48 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:56:14am

re: #47 Charles

Of course it was — the Tea Party pod people are trying their best to look like respectable human beings these days, after the NAACP resolution and all the criticism over their blatant racism and extremism. The national astroturfers probably read the riot act to the North Iowa Tea Party rubes.

Well, we wouldn’t want them to start acting like respectable human beings.

49 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:56:53am

re: #42 Walter L. Newton

You didn’t read my comment carefully, did you. We have a lot of information from one side of the issue. McInnis has only made some general responses to the charges and claims he will be looking into it and delivering more detail very soon. Whether that’s posturing right now, lying, trying to plan a cover up, it’s still not a totally settled issue.

I hope if you ever have to go to court, someone give you a chance to lay forth your arguments before just pulling the switch.

McInnis has first-hand knowledge of the situation. HE WROTE AND SUBMITTED (okay, he didn’t actually write it, obviously) the plagiarized material. He shouldn’t need to ‘look into it’…that’s called deferring the argument and hoping it will go away.

50 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:57:32am

re: #47 Charles

Of course it was — the Tea Party pod people are trying their best to look like respectable human beings these days, after the NAACP resolution and all the criticism over their blatant racism and extremism. The national astroturfers probably read the riot act to the North Iowa Tea Party rubes.

I’ve mentioned here before that the Teabaggers had a presence at my local 4th of July parade. Their ruse was to hand out pocket copies of the Constitution, courtesy of the Heritage Foundation, to the crowd. It made them seem reasonable and sincere in defending our American rights. Oh, if only the people really knew.

51 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:58:27am

re: #49 darthstar

McInnis has first-hand knowledge of the situation. HE WROTE AND SUBMITTED (okay, he didn’t actually write it, obviously) the plagiarized material. He shouldn’t need to ‘look into it’…that’s called deferring the argument and hoping it will go away.

I still want to hear a final statement from him, which he has not made. I’m funny like that sometimes… don’t worry, I’m not voting for him.

52 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:58:29am

re: #47 Charles

Of course it was — the Tea Party pod people are trying their best to look like respectable human beings these days, after the NAACP resolution and all the criticism over their blatant racism and extremism. The national astroturfers probably read the riot act to the North Iowa Tea Party rubes.

NPR did a story on the Tea Party this morning, and they passed their own resolution condemning racism within their ranks in response to the NAACP. Yes, they’re trying to white-wash their image…ooh, did I say white-wash? Sorry.

53 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:00:44am

re: #52 darthstar

NPR did a story on the Tea Party this morning, and they passed their own resolution condemning racism within their ranks in response to the NAACP. Yes, they’re trying to white-wash their image…ooh, did I say white-wash? Sorry.

Let us make a distinction: I do not believe that Tea Party automatically = Racist, but there are so many prominent racists within their ranks that it is hard to shake the association

54 Linden Arden  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:01:27am

Megyn Kelly is not who she seems to be while on Fox News.

I caught her 45-minute interview with Howard Stern (now on Youtube) and she was engaging and super-polite while Howard did his usual bit of digging for personal info.

And she would NOT talk about her political persuasion.

55 wee fury  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:01:47am

The shrill voices irritate me. So much so — that I cannot listen to the words.

56 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:01:52am

re: #52 darthstar

NPR did a story on the Tea Party this morning, and they passed their own resolution condemning racism within their ranks in response to the NAACP. Yes, they’re trying to white-wash their image…ooh, did I say white-wash? Sorry.

Well of course this is a “do you beat you wife” sort of catch 22, self-generated by the antics of a lot of the Tea Party members… but the left will certainly ride the “they are white washing it” for all it’s worth, not matter if there is actually any sincere attempts on the part of some of these people to correct their wrongs. They’re fucked.

57 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:02:29am

re: #36 _RememberTonyC

Will she learn not to talk about stories that have no basis in fact? Because she seems pretty into that.

58 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:02:39am

re: #40 Charles

Note also that the reason for her freak-out — the idea that the Justice Dept. has a policy against prosecuting cases with black defendants and white plaintiffs — is a ludicrous fantasy with absolutely no basis in reality. This isn’t something a little advice from a producer can fix. It’s part and parcel of the garbage Fox News shovels every day, 24/7/365.

Kelly was clearly over her caffene limit …. she acted in a way that was out of control. Passion run amok. Powers held her own quite well. Kelly seems to have done her homework, but she was on TV, not in a courtroom. Advocacy was on full display.

59 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:02:47am

re: #53 ralphieboy

Let us make a distinction: I do not believe that Tea Party automatically = Racist, but there are so many prominent racists within their ranks that it is hard to shake the association

They embraced the racists and Xian extremists to boost membership in their early days. Now they’ve got the predicted problem of how to control these fringe elements which have loud voices and don’t like taking no for an answer.

60 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:03:35am

re: #58 _RememberTonyC

How had she done her homework, exactly?

61 reidr  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:04:20am

re: #9 NJDhockeyfan

I saw that live. This is fine entertainment during the day.

Aieee! No more news as entertainment! Idiocracy here we come….

62 Kronocide  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:06:35am

Kelley was way too aggressive. The ‘cut your mic’ comment was over the top.

Put up with the facts about this supposed policy, or shut up.

63 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:06:49am

One of our local tea party failed candidates for St. Babs city council got arrested the other night for picking a fight with a bouncer at the EOS Lounge:

During the campaign, he was a staple at Tea Party gatherings, once even delivering a fiery anti-health care reform speech in front of Rep. Lois Capps’ office from the bed of a pickup truck.

It’s got some good stuff in the middle, his friend didn’t cooperate:

After placing Tevis in handcuffs, an officer approached the friend, who was being held on the ground by the bouncer.

The man reportedly refused to give the officer one of his hands and, according to the police report, the officer struck the man in the ribs “several times without response.”

At this point, the report says the officer felt the man reaching for his belt. The officer responded by shooting the man with a Taser. But instead of giving up his arm, the man apparently attempted to stand, at which point the officer activated his Taser three more times. Still, the man refused to be handcuffed.

At some point, another officer, who was described in the police report as weighing 240 pounds, arrived. This officer, the police report notes, issued “several body punches” to the man, who still refused to be handcuffed.

The officer then unleashed “several elbow strikes” to the “upper body” of the suspect, the police report said.

Eventually, the man, whose identity was not released due to the early stage of the investigation, was handcuffed and arrested. He was charged with felony resisting arrest.


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64 Vambo  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:09:36am

re: #25 Walter L. Newton

Megan has no proof that “the Justice Department has an official policy against prosecuting cases with black defendants and white plaintiffs.” There has been an allegation made, but nothing proved… but looking over the video above, like I already comment, the real “outrage” is that a standing congressman could actually claim to be unfamiliar with the New Black Panther Party case. I’m not sure which is more bothersome to me, if he is telling the truth or if he is trying to avoid the issue?

yeah, it’s so outrageous, and crazy. A (Democratic) Congressman not familiar with an obscure case that with overinflated by (Republican) hysteria. Like you, I am trigged.

65 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:09:53am

re: #63 goddamnedfrank

Resisting arrest is never a good idea. Then again, putting yourself in a position where you’re facing arrest isn’t exactly a good idea either.

66 Linden Arden  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:10:40am

re: #62 BigPapa

Kelley was way too aggressive. The ‘cut your mic’ comment was over the top.

Bill-O taught her that.

67 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:11:15am

re: #66 Linden Arden

Bill-O taught her that.

The turd doesn’t drop far from the tail.

68 SteveMcGazi  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:12:35am

I have been distrustful of Republicans ever since the Special Prosecutor on Retainer Kenneth Starr. (Disclosure - I’m registered Republican) I hate that because when I was a young voter, the Republicans were the smart ones. Now the Republicans are the party of anti-itellectualism. The preposterous positions they will assume just to gain power should make anybody with half a brain pause for concern. They HAD power not that long ago. Look what they did with it.

69 reidr  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:16:26am

re: #54 Linden Arden

Megyn Kelly is not who she seems to be while on Fox News.

I caught her 45-minute interview with Howard Stern (now on Youtube) and she was engaging and super-polite while Howard did his usual bit of digging for personal info.

And she would NOT talk about her political persuasion.

I don’t think this was an act. I think this is the real Megyn and that she was being a restrained young “journalist” before. Of course, I have no idea, just a hunch…. But when you’re surrounded by all of the right-wingers at Fox, it’s easy to feel emboldened. The producers are probably fine with her getting riled up and nasty; why, look at those ratings!

70 Flounder  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:16:29am

I hate to post and run, but why is the New Black Panther Party a phony scandal. I haven’t really followed anything this week, or last week for that matter. BTW, my Nikon D90 is in the shop, new dc power board, only $220 to fix.

71 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:16:37am

This whole repulsive spectacle is something that could be properly set to Barber’s Adagio for strings.

It is nothing more than projections at its worst, fueled by racism and fanned by craven opportunists. The meme has always been that black people are getting too uppity, going to far and taking white America from these “innocent” good white folks.

These good white folks and the propagandists that feed them will go to any legnth to create any non-troversy to feed into a false sense of victimization, robbing the true victims of their rightful due.

Shall we really talk about the history of voter intimidation in this nation? Shall we remember Jim Crow laws, or simple hicks beating and murdering black people who dared to want to vote? How many thousands of such cases are there of voter intimidation like that?

Shall we really look at how fair our justice system has been historically to black people? There are still black men in the South serving life sentences for having a joint in the sixties. How many blacks are assumed guilty by white juries in this nation and put on death row or given vastly steeper sentences than they deserved? No compare that to white folks who got a good attorney.

Anyone who thinks that even today the justice system is equal for blacks and whites nationwide is a fool. It is granted better than it ever has been. However, black people have yet to have actual equality in the system and everyone knows this. To claim that they have it better is simple insanity fueled by racism and projection.

The projection is very simple. These white folks are afraid of being treated legally the way they have been accustomed to treating black folks. They don’t like it. I look at that blonde bubble headed evil woman on Fox and I am ashamed to see the naked face of racism is still strong and still cloaked in a “flower” of fancifully wronged, big eyed, white womanhood.

Perhaps that vile woman from Fox would do well to live for a few weeks as a black woman. It would be interesting to see how she feels then.

72 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:16:50am

re: #57 Obdicut

Will she learn not to talk about stories that have no basis in fact? Because she seems pretty into that.

she was like a lawyer arguing a case in court …. her two careers colliding on live TV.

73 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:18:15am

re: #70 Shropshire_Slasher

I hate to post and run, but why is the New Black Panther Party a phony scandal. I haven’t really followed anything this week, or last week for that matter. BTW, my Nikon D90 is in the shop, new dc power board, only $220 to fix.

Because it’s gone from obscurity to THE BIGGEST STORY SINCE NATALIE HOLLOWAY almost overnight. It takes a major network to give a story legs like that.

74 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:18:26am

re: #60 Obdicut

How had she done her homework, exactly?

she knew some facts …. but she then used her knowledge as an advocate as opposed to a disinterested arbiter. this is what TV has become … conflict and disagreement sell. you see it everywhere

75 Kronocide  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:19:08am

re: #68 stevemcg

Now the Republicans are the party of anti-itellectualism.

It seems you are correct. They’ve definitely yanked the chain back hard for the last 30 months.

76 avanti  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:19:11am

re: #8 Walter L. Newton

Interesting… congressman Sherman said he was not aware of the case about the Black Panthers… What color is the sky on his planet?.

Maybe he does not watch Fox ?

77 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:21:14am

re: #76 avanti

Maybe he does not watch Fox ?

That would have been a good answer. I’m sorry, but I don’t watch Fox news…did they manage to solve the problems of bat boy yet?

78 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:21:23am

re: #10 _RememberTonyC

Megan is one passionate lady … and a fellow ‘Cuse alum.

Passionate… If by passionate, you mean ignorant troglodyte propagandist who soullessly distorts facts to feed frenzies in her viewers in a craven attempt to sate the needs of a repulsive and ignorant niche market, sure.

79 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:21:55am

re: #76 avanti

Maybe he does not watch Fox ?


it was available elsewhere too. does he not use the internet? is he “anti technology?”

j/k

80 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:22:34am

re: #78 LudwigVanQuixote

Passionate… If by passionate, you mean ignorant troglodyte propagandist who soullessly distorts facts to feed frenzies in her viewers in a craven attempt to sate the needs of a repulsive and ignorant niche market, sure.

Not to mention making Syracuse look like a shit-school by associating it with her. I like the Orangemen during the NCAA tourney.

81 reidr  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:22:36am

re: #68 stevemcg

I have been distrustful of Republicans ever since the Special Prosecutor on Retainer Kenneth Starr. (Disclosure - I’m registered Republican) I hate that because when I was a young voter, the Republicans were the smart ones. Now the Republicans are the party of anti-itellectualism. The preposterous positions they will assume just to gain power should make anybody with half a brain pause for concern. They HAD power not that long ago. Look what they did with it.

Similar story here, though I was never affiliated with any party until 2004. But I always considered candidates from both parties; Republicans had a vague reputation for being serious on the economy and defense, while Democrats were more idealistic. Now I trust Democrats more on just about every issue.

82 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:22:38am

re: #74 _RememberTonyC

What facts? Seriously, aside from the well-trodden facts of the actual incident, she seemed mainly interested in rejecting facts.

Which facts did she know?

83 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:22:39am

I’m out … have a good day everyone.

84 garhighway  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:23:22am

re: #79 _RememberTonyC

it was available elsewhere too. does he not use the internet? is he “anti technology?”

j/k

Maybe he is busy representing his constituents? Being a Congressman?

I am under the impression (from afar) that those guys are pretty busy.

85 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:23:38am

re: #82 Obdicut

What facts? Seriously, aside from the well-trodden facts of the actual incident, she seemed mainly interested in rejecting facts.

Which facts did she know?

i gotta run ….. go back and listen again ….. have a good one.

86 SteveMcGazi  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:23:41am

I’m familiar with the MBPP incident, but I don’t know if I would be ready to discuss it in a town hall, and I’m from Philadelphia. I can’t blame a Congressman from CA punting on that.

88 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:25:01am

re: #76 avanti

Maybe he does not watch Fox ?

And maybe he doesn’t have a staff to advise him, and maybe he didn’t know about the testimony before the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights I think Adams is a whiny, employee who didn’t get his way and now trying to cause trouble), and maybe he didn’t hear about holder dismissing the case, and maybe he didn’t hear about all the buzz about increased cases of public racism, Tea Party stuff and even the NAACP statement… maybe he’s been living on the moon.

If this congress person has no grasp on the recent rise in racist topics in this country… I would be very concerned if he was MY CONGRESSMAN.

You’re supporting an idiot.

89 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:26:00am

re: #86 SteveMcG

I’m familiar with the MBPP incident, but I don’t know if I would be ready to discuss it in a town hall, and I’m from Philadelphia. I can’t blame a Congressman from CA punting on that.

Nor would you really want to discuss it in a town hall. Far better to try and keep the focus on the needs of the local community.

90 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:26:06am

re: #85 _RememberTonyC

I’m sorry, Tony, I listened to it once, paying attention, and I did not hear her bringing facts to the table. I heard her bring distortions and reject facts that were brought to her.

I’ll listen again— painful as it is— but I don’t think I’m going to hear anything different, because i don’t think she did do her homework— if she had, she would have known this was an overhyped incident that the Bush justice department had decided not to prosecute.

91 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:27:06am

re: #88 Walter L. Newton

Your slip is showing, Walter.

92 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:27:55am

re: #88 Walter L. Newton

What are you talking about, Walter?

Why is this an important case, in the eyes of anyone other than the people attempting to hype it up as an important case?

93 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:28:21am

re: #79 _RememberTonyC

it was available elsewhere too. does he not use the internet? is he “anti technology?”

j/k

I assume he has some things to do during the day. At least I hope so.

94 webevintage  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:29:21am

re: #71 LudwigVanQuixote


Anyone who thinks that even today the justice system is equal for blacks and whites nationwide is a fool. It is granted better than it ever has been. However, black people have yet to have actual equality in the system and everyone knows this. To claim that they have it better is simple insanity fueled by racism and projection.

The projection is very simple. These white folks are afraid of being treated legally the way they have been accustomed to treating black folks. They don’t like it. I look at that blonde bubble headed evil woman on Fox and I am ashamed to see the naked face of racism is still strong and still cloaked in a “flower” of fancifully wronged, big eyed, white womanhood.

Perhaps that vile woman from Fox would do well to live for a few weeks as a black woman. It would be interesting to see how she feels then.

Black Power’s Gonna Get You Sucka: Right-Wing Paranoia and the Rhetoric of Modern Racism
dailykos.com

and amen, that was a righteous post LVQ….

95 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:29:34am

re: #87 Killgore Trout

Angle Flip-Flops On Reid Attack: I’m ‘Glad’ He Reposted My Old Website

Right now Angle actually has a slight lead over Reid in polling, but it’s a statistical dead heat (2-3%).

96 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:29:40am

re: #92 Obdicut

What are you talking about, Walter?

Why is this an important case, in the eyes of anyone other than the people attempting to hype it up as an important case?

Exactly. This is a case where there was insufficient evidence to prosecute, and the right is trying to turn it into another acorn sting. The (not racist) rest of America is waking up to the incessant drumbeat of these wackos.

97 harlequinade  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:29:46am

re: #88 Walter L. Newton

Maybe he saw it, treated it as a nontroversy that it is, and focused on other things?

Or this.

re: #90 Obdicut

- if she had, she would have known this was an overhyped incident that the Bush justice department had decided not to prosecute.

Or. This.
re: #89 darthstar

Nor would you really want to discuss it in a town hall. Far better to try and keep the focus on the needs of the local community.

Maybe?

98 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:30:05am

re: #94 webevintage

Black Power’s Gonna Get You Sucka: Right-Wing Paranoia and the Rhetoric of Modern Racism
[Link: www.dailykos.com…]

and amen, that was a righteous post LVQ…

Thank you.

99 Kragar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:30:25am

re: #87 Killgore Trout

Angle Flip-Flops On Reid Attack: I’m ‘Glad’ He Reposted My Old Website

Its like watching a cat chase a laser pointer, she’s all over the fucking place.

100 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:30:38am

That astounding thing is that Angle is even in the running. She’s a flat out kook, who has no business being anywhere near Washington DC.

It’s the Crazy Time in American politics. Kooks ascendant.

101 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:31:41am

re: #90 Obdicut

I’m sorry, Tony, I listened to it once, paying attention, and I did not hear her bringing facts to the table. I heard her bring distortions and reject facts that were brought to her.

I’ll listen again— painful as it is— but I don’t think I’m going to hear anything different, because i don’t think she did do her homework— if she had, she would have known this was an overhyped incident that the Bush justice department had decided not to prosecute.

That does seem to be the key issue here…the DOJ simply wasn’t going to do anything with this, and that policy remained firm under two administrations back to back.

You can certainly disagree with that decision, but the passion that’s being brought to this seems way over the top.

102 SteveMcGazi  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:31:42am

re: #100 Charles

Well, it IS Nevada.

103 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:32:06am

re: #96 LudwigVanQuixote

Exactly. This is a case where there was insufficient evidence to prosecute, and the right is trying to turn it into another acorn sting. The (not racist) rest of America is waking up to the incessant drumbeat of these wackos.

Have you even read a single post of mine? I am totally on your side about the case itself. I have no problem with Holder dismissing it. I thing Megan was stupid as hell claiming what she did, when there was no proof to what she said. I wasn’t even talking about Megan or this video, or the particulars of the case itself. Do you have any idea what my topic really was? Or do you just jump on me for the fun of it?

Knock yourself out. I’m not going to explain it to you.

104 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:32:28am

re: #100 Charles

That astounding thing is that Angle is even in the running. She’s a flat out kook, who has no business being anywhere near Washington DC.

It’s the Crazy Time in American politics. Kooks ascendant.

I just think it’s great the GOP is forced to spend money on her…They should have a televised debate…several, in fact…an soon. Then the people of Nevada can ask themselves, “Do we really want to go there?”

105 reidr  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:32:34am

re: #100 Charles

It’s the Crazy Time in American politics. Kooks ascendant.

But not quite ascendant enough to win a general election, I hope.

106 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:33:02am

re: #105 reidr

But not quite ascendant enough to win a general election, I hope.

No… I don’t think so.

107 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:33:03am

What about the allegation of the whistleblower, namely that there is a de facto DOJ policy of not prosecuting black on white voter intimidation?

108 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:34:03am

re: #103 Walter L. Newton

Well at least you didn’t call me a whore…. Walter, you are, and will continue to be, persona non-grata with me.

109 Linden Arden  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:34:06am

The Bush DOJ dropped any pursuit of a criminal case against the two NBPP men in Jan 09 since there was no “victim”.

The civil side is just as weak, in my non-legal opinion.

110 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:34:20am

re: #97 harlequinade

Maybe he saw it, treated it as a nontroversy that it is, and focused on other things?

Or this.

re: #90 Obdicut


Maybe?

Or maybe because a constituent asked… oh… I know… the voters doesn’t really count.

111 Kronocide  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:34:38am

re: #100 Charles

It’s the Crazy Time in American politics. Kooks ascendant.


It’s the Kookularity!

112 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:34:49am

re: #87 Killgore Trout

Angle Flip-Flops On Reid Attack: I’m ‘Glad’ He Reposted My Old Website

Does that mean she’s dropped her lawsuit/injunction/whatever against him for doing so?

113 SteveMcGazi  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:34:51am

re: #107 Spare O’Lake

There hasn’t even been one election cycle yet. Going by turnouts in ‘09 and the ‘10 primaries, there was nobody to intimidate.

114 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:34:51am

re: #108 LudwigVanQuixote

Well at least you didn’t call me a whore… Walter, you are, and will continue to be, persona non-grata with me.

Then stop addressing me… I cool with that… it will look better for both of us.

115 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:35:59am

re: #107 Spare O’Lake

What about the allegation of the whistleblower, namely that there is a de facto DOJ policy of not prosecuting black on white voter intimidation?

“de facto DOJ policy”? And what voter intimidation? The white people walking by completely unfazed by his presence? The white girl talking on her cell phone a few feet away from him? Ooh, scary black man!

116 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:36:13am

re: #88 Walter L. Newton

And maybe he doesn’t have a staff to advise him, and maybe he didn’t know about the testimony before the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights I think Adams is a whiny, employee who didn’t get his way and now trying to cause trouble), and maybe he didn’t hear about holder dismissing the case, and maybe he didn’t hear about all the buzz about increased cases of public racism, Tea Party stuff and even the NAACP statement… maybe he’s been living on the moon.

If this congress person has no grasp on the recent rise in racist topics in this country… I would be very concerned if he was MY CONGRESSMAN.

You’re supporting an idiot.

If a politician doesn’t know all the facts of a particular case, they will say they’re unfamiliar with it, and would therefore rather not discuss it. You’ve never heard a politician say this before?

Seems like a responsible thing to do. And I don’t see why he should have been expected to know all the details — it’s a phony scandal. He probably has a few more important things on his mind.

117 usufruct  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:36:21am

“Megyn Kelly actually believes the Justice Department has an official policy against prosecuting cases with black defendants and white plaintiffs. “

Yeah, I couldn’t believe that when I heard it either. How is the Obama administration even suppose to respond to things like this?

118 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:36:32am

re: #110 Walter L. Newton

Or maybe because a constituent asked… oh… I know… the voters doesn’t really count.


So a constituent asked, so he should become familiar with the case on the spot?

How would that work?

You’re not making much sense, Walter.

119 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:37:20am

re: #117 usufruct

Great user name.

120 Nimed  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:37:34am

re: #40 Charles

Note also that the reason for her freak-out — the idea that the Justice Dept. has a policy against prosecuting cases with black defendants and white plaintiffs — is a ludicrous fantasy with absolutely no basis in reality. This isn’t something a little advice from a producer can fix. It’s part and parcel of the garbage Fox News shovels every day, 24/7/365.

From what I can gather from the video clip, Kelly is not expressing a personal belief about the DOJ — she is alluding to a sworn testimony from a “DOJ whistleblower”. I confess that, just seeing that clip, I got a better impression of Kelly than of Powers, who was, in fact, being evasive.

Of course, what Kelly neglects to mention is that the testimony comes from J. Christian Adams, one of the famous Bush appointees to the DOJ’s civil rights division.

This is the most informative article I’ve seen on the case so far:
nytimes.com

In testimony before the Commission on Civil Rights, J. Christian Adams, who recently resigned from a voting rights position in the Justice Department’s civil rights division, decried the decision by department superiors in May 2009.
(…)
The Obama administration took office amid widespread allegations that the Bush administration had politicized the civil rights division. Reports by the Government Accountability Office and the Justice Department’s inspector general found that enforcement of certain anti-discrimination laws dropped significantly, and that political appointees systematically steered career jobs to conservatives in violation of civil service laws.

Mr. Adams, a Republican who had previously worked for South Carolina’s secretary of state, was hired in 2005. But he insisted on Tuesday that his political beliefs had had no bearing on his work.

The investigation has divided the commission. In a statement on Tuesday, one of its two Democratic members, Michael Yaki, called it “incredibly shallow, expensive, and partisan” and a “one-sided farce.”

And one of its six conservatives, Abigail Thernstrom, wrote an article published Tuesday in National Review dismissing the New Black Panthers incident as “small potatoes” and warning that the commission’s “overblown attack threatens to undermine the credibility” of conservative criticism of the Justice Department, led by Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr.

121 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:38:12am

re: #108 LudwigVanQuixote

. Walter, you are, and will continue to be, persona non-grata with me.

Very poetic…….
/

122 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:38:17am

re: #117 usufruct

“Megyn Kelly actually believes the Justice Department has an official policy against prosecuting cases with black defendants and white plaintiffs. “

Yeah, I couldn’t believe that when I heard it either. How is the Obama administration even suppose to respond to things like this?

Peals of laughter, maybe.

123 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:38:40am

re: #115 darthstar

“de facto DOJ policy”? And what voter intimidation? The white people walking by completely unfazed by his presence? The white girl talking on her cell phone a few feet away from him? Ooh, scary black man!

Adams is making a lot of claims, but so far, it all sounds anecdotal, and AFAIK, he has nothing to back it up with. If there actually is some kind of inappropriate policy, that will have to be addressed, but in the meantime, no, they really aren’t going to waste resources on this non-starter of a case.

124 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:38:48am

re: #117 usufruct

“Megyn Kelly actually believes the Justice Department has an official policy against prosecuting cases with black defendants and white plaintiffs. “

Yeah, I couldn’t believe that when I heard it either. How is the Obama administration even suppose to respond to things like this?

Like this.

125 harlequinade  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:38:52am

re: #110 Walter L. Newton

I’m going to go with this:
re: #4 ralphieboy

They did it, they threw out a spurious claim to put the DOJ in the position of having to deny it, thus provoking the pre-programmed shouts of righteous rage.

He answers. They shout him down.

126 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:39:07am

re: #117 usufruct

“Megyn Kelly actually believes the Justice Department has an official policy against prosecuting cases with black defendants and white plaintiffs. “

Yeah, I couldn’t believe that when I heard it either. How is the Obama administration even suppose to respond to things like this?

That is actually the point. It is rhetorically equivalent to accusing someone of beating their wife. There is nothing to do except deny the false charge while those who like the person defend him and those that don’t, spread the rumor.

The fact that this rumor is designed to disenfranchise black people while fanning the racist fears of rubes is not lost on GOP strategists. It is also not lost on you or me. However, it is lost on the rubes who begin to think that”where there is smoke, there is fire.”

127 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:40:29am

re: #116 Charles

If a politician doesn’t know all the facts of a particular case, they will say they’re unfamiliar with it, and would therefore rather not discuss it. You’ve never heard a politician say this before?

Seems like a responsible thing to do. And I don’t see why he should have been expected to know all the details — it’s a phony scandal. He probably has a few more important things on his mind.

re: #118 Obdicut

So a constituent asked, so he should become familiar with the case on the spot?

How would that work?

You’re not making much sense, Walter.

Points well made… and it’s possible. I watched his reactions, I wasn’t convinced that he didn’t know about it, sounded more like he didn’t want to address it… but it’s possible that he was simply uniformed or had no knowledge of the case. I go with my first feeling though.

128 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:41:15am

re: #120 Nimed

From everything I’ve read about Adams and his obviously partisan agenda, I’m just not getting a very good reading on the Credibility Meter. Megyn Kelly is promoting his claims as established facts, and so is Fox News — and that’s deceptive and wrong.

129 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:41:33am

Developing:
Suspicious device found in car parked near AMTRAK/NJ Transit station in Newark, NJ.

Police in Newark are using a robot to examine a vehicle containing what appears to be two gasoline canisters connected by wires to a device.

The 1998 Dodge Omni is parked near a railroad overpass in Newark that serves Amtrak and NJ Transit trains. The trains are still running.

Police have blocked off that section of Oliver Street so traffic cannot go under the tracks.

130 harlequinade  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:42:15am

re: #94 webevintage

Both LVQ’s post and that link… I’m stunned. Being a Brit, we look at race stories (generally about the police) and are shocked, but not surprised.

That link both shocked and surprised me.

131 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:42:18am

re: #113 SteveMcG

re: #115 darthstar

So should the allegations of the whistleblower be ignored or summarily dismissed by the DOJ, or should they look into the matter?

132 avanti  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:43:52am

re: #128 Charles

From everything I’ve read about Adams and his obviously partisan agenda, I’m just not getting a very good reading on the Credibility Meter. Megyn Kelly is promoting his claims as established facts, and so is Fox News — and that’s deceptive and wrong.

I’ll just repeat my comments from a few days ago on Megyn/Fox:

“I think I get this now. A scary black guy with a night stick is intimidation, but dispatching state troopers to park outside minority polling places is just a way to look for convicted felons.
The fact that the scary black guy was found to be in the wrong, but received a only a injunction is a national scandal though.
Now the GOP can run ad’s about about the scary (and racist) black guy and get more white votes. Fox is fanning the flames of racism by using one black racist to reinforce scary racial stereotypes on the right. “

133 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:44:19am

re: #131 Spare O’Lake

re: #115 darthstar

So should the allegations of the whistleblower be ignored or summarily dismissed by the DOJ, or should they look into the matter?

The DOJ under President George Walker Bush decided not to prosecute. The DOJ under President Barack Hussein Obama decided to drop the charges altogether. Which DOJ do you suggest we investigate first?

134 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:44:52am

I would think they better produce a memo,a policy revision
page or an e-mail from some one .
Or..STFU! about it!

135 webevintage  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:44:53am

Kelly hypes “explosive new allegations in an infamous case of voter intimidation.” On the June 30 edition of America Live, host Megyn Kelly promised “explosive new allegations” in the Black Panther case and introduced her interview with Adams by commenting: “A Justice Department lawyer giving America Live a dramatic interview today alleging politics and race were to blame for the decision not to pursue serious charges against members of the New Black Panther Party.” Kelly referred to Adams as “one of the lead lawyers who brought and won that case.”

mediamatters.org

136 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:44:56am

re: #128 Charles

From everything I’ve read about Adams and his obviously partisan agenda, I’m just not getting a very good reading on the Credibility Meter. Megyn Kelly is promoting his claims as established facts, and so is Fox News — and that’s deceptive and wrong.

Agreed. But isn’t it far more objectionable for the DOJ itself to ignore the whistleblower’s specific allegations?

137 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:45:28am

re: #131 Spare O’Lake

re: #115 darthstar

So should the allegations of the whistleblower be ignored or summarily dismissed by the DOJ, or should they look into the matter?

That depends. Does he have factual evidence of a racially biased policy? If so, of course they should look into the matter, and take appropriate action.

Interestingly, however, Adams did not come forward with this when the Bush DOJ decided not to pursue the case. I guess he was waiting for a special occasion?

In other words, probably bullshit, and has nothing to do with the business with the Panthers either way.

138 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:45:32am

re: #131 Spare O’Lake

re: #115 darthstar

So should the allegations of the whistleblower be ignored or summarily dismissed by the DOJ, or should they look into the matter?

Oh, by all means — this phony scandal should immediately trigger a giant fishing expedition to find out whether DOJ has an unwritten “de facto” policy of encouraging black racism. I call for Congressional hearings!

139 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:46:25am

I think I’m Poeing my own blog.

140 Kragar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:46:29am

re: #138 Charles

Oh, by all means — this phony scandal should immediately trigger a giant fishing expedition to find out whether DOJ has an unwritten “de facto” policy of encouraging black racism. I call for Congressional hearings!

Can’t we just have a good ole fashioned mob with torches and pitchforks?

141 Interesting Times  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:46:33am

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

The fact that this rumor is designed to disenfranchise black people while fanning the racist fears of rubes is not lost on GOP strategists. It is also not lost on you or me. However, it is lost on the rubes who begin to think that “where there is smoke, there is fire.”

This blog comment from last year sums it up perfectly:

The right-wing resentment he’s trying to stir up will probably work pretty well among a certain part of the population, ironically those who have been most hurt by the conmen and tricksters of Wall Street.

When Santelli says “those people” are getting a free handout from the government, we all know who he’s talking about. He’s not talking about YOU, white blue collar Joe, he’s talking about the shiftless lazy n***ers who got more government welfare in the form of subprime loans from Freddie and Fannie. It’s them lowlife blacks who are causing our problems, white middle class America! Get the rope!

Same as it always was. Turn the angry mob against the poorest and the least able to defend themselves, while you pick the mob’s pockets.

Has it ever NOT worked in this country?

142 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:46:37am

re: #138 Charles

Oh, by all means — this phony scandal should immediately trigger a giant fishing expedition to find out whether DOJ has an unwritten “de facto” policy of encouraging black racism. I call for Congressional hearings!

Can we have Fox spokesmodels as witnesses for the plaintiffs?

143 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:46:58am

re: #129 lawhawk

Why does Chrysler Corp.. hate trains??
Oh ,..wait!
Hope no one gets hurt!!

144 webevintage  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:47:13am

re: #131 Spare O’Lake

re: #115 darthstar

So should the allegations of the whistleblower be ignored or summarily dismissed by the DOJ, or should they look into the matter?

But is he really a “whistleblower” or a GOP activist who “relied on hearsay and charges made by others, rather than firsthand knowledge, in making his allegations.”

145 garhighway  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:47:45am

re: #144 webevintage

But is he really a “whistleblower” or a GOP activist who “relied on hearsay and charges made by others, rather than firsthand knowledge, in making his allegations.”

In this case those terms mean the same thing.

146 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:47:54am

re: #132 avanti

I’ll just repeat my comments from a few days ago on Megyn/Fox:

“I think I get this now. A scary black guy with a night stick is intimidation, but dispatching state troopers to park outside minority polling places is just a way to look for convicted felons.
The fact that the scary black guy was found to be in the wrong, but received a only a injunction is a national scandal though.
Now the GOP can run ad’s about about the scary (and racist) black guy and get more white votes. Fox is fanning the flames of racism by using one black racist to reinforce scary racial stereotypes on the right. “

In other words, pure racism at its most base and two faced. This is part of why I abhor the GOP and Fox in particular. How much craven, hurtful lying and hypocrisy can one take? How many banal justifications for baseless hatred can one take? This is nothing less than politics of division based on racial fears and fueled by a smug sense of false entitlement. The so-called “conservatives” really want to keep black folks in “their place.” It could not be more obvious.

147 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:48:17am

re: #143 reloadingisnotahobby

Yeah, but I think the bomb squad is going to have the last say on the matter.

148 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:48:25am

re: #138 Charles

Oh, by all means — this phony scandal should immediately trigger a giant fishing expedition to find out whether DOJ has an unwritten “de facto” policy of encouraging black racism. I call for Congressional hearings!

How about a calm, controlled, sane, investigation?

149 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:48:45am

re: #139 Charles

I think I’m Poeing my own blog.

Poeing? Just curious, I don’t understand the reference.

150 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:48:47am

re: #148 Spare O’Lake

How about a calm, controlled, sane, investigation?

Is there such a thing anymore?

151 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:48:57am

re: #148 Spare O’Lake

How about a calm, controlled, sane, investigation?

An investigation into what?

152 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:49:26am

re: #149 LudwigVanQuixote

Poeing? Just curious, I don’t understand the reference.

Here. I had to look it up.

153 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:49:31am

re: #136 Spare O’Lake

Agreed. But isn’t it far more objectionable for the DOJ itself to ignore the whistleblower’s specific allegations?

Not unless he has actual evidence. What evidence is he presenting?

154 webevintage  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:49:53am

re: #141 publicityStunted

When Santelli says “those people” are getting a free handout from the government, we all know who he’s talking about. He’s not talking about YOU, white blue collar Joe, he’s talking about the shiftless lazy n***ers who got more government welfare in the form of subprime loans from Freddie and Fannie. It’s them lowlife blacks who are causing our problems, white middle class America! Get the rope!

Same as it always was. Turn the angry mob against the poorest and the least able to defend themselves, while you pick the mob’s pockets.


And that right there is the basis of the Tea Party movement in this country….

155 Kragar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:49:59am

re: #148 Spare O’Lake

How about a calm, controlled, sane, investigation?

Conducted by whom? The people most concerned are the partisan wags who are out for blood and already have their opionions, one way or the other.

156 Kragar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:50:15am

re: #151 Charles

An investigation into what?

Things…

157 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:50:33am

re: #153 SanFranciscoZionist

Not unless he has actual evidence. What evidence is he presenting?

Is the whistleblower blowing a dog whistle?

158 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:50:36am

re: #148 Spare O’Lake

How about a calm, controlled, sane, investigation?

Based on what?

159 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:51:15am

re: #148 Spare O’Lake

How about a calm, controlled, sane, investigation?

Sure, provided it looks at actual racism in politics, like the GOP sending false fliers to of false voting dates to black neighborhoods, or the years of voter intimidation by the GOP or the general racism fanned by the GOP and Fox. While we are at it we can look at the sentencing statistics for conservative judges and GOP appointees across similar cases but with blck and white defendants.

Such an investigation if done in an unbiased manner would not go well for partisans like you. I dare you to look at the stats.

160 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:51:29am

re: #157 wrenchwench

Is the whistleblower blowing a dog whistle?

Well, he definitely intercoursed the canine on this one…(screwed the pooch?)

161 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:51:55am

re: #157 wrenchwench

Is the whistleblower blowing a dog whistle?

I think he’s just whining, actually. But if he’s got something real, by all means, let him lay it out.

162 fizzlogic  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:53:55am

re: #25 Walter L. Newton

… the real “outrage” is that a standing congressman could actually claim to be unfamiliar with the New Black Panther Party case. I’m not sure which is more bothersome to me, if he is telling the truth or if he is trying to avoid the issue?

Perhaps the congressman doesn’t watch Fox News.

163 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:54:01am

re: #151 Charles

An investigation into what?

The allegation of the whistleblower, namely that there is a de facto DOJ policy of not prosecuting black on white voter intimidation? It shouldn’t take very long for the DOJ to properly put the boots to this Adams guy if he is full of crap.

164 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:54:12am

re: #161 SanFranciscoZionist

I think he’s just whining, actually. But if he’s got something real, by all means, let him lay it out.

If he did, he would have already.

165 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:54:33am

re: #162 trendsurfer

Perhaps the congressman doesn’t watch Fox News.

You working the second shift?

166 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:54:34am

Okay…time to write a little code. Play nice everyone.

167 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:54:51am

re: #147 lawhawk

In these parts…a POS Dodge Omni with two gas cans and wires laying loose in the back would be…
A. A mercy killing
B.A POS Dodge Omni with a broken gas gage with
no stereo and speakers.
/

168 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:55:16am

re: #163 Spare O’Lake

The allegation of the whistleblower, namely that there is a de facto DOJ policy of not prosecuting black on white voter intimidation? It shouldn’t take very long for the DOJ to properly put the boots to this Adams guy if he is full of crap.

Perhaps the “whistleblower” can provide something to back up his accusations? Documentation, audio/visual recordings, a fellow witness, something more than just his accusations?

169 webevintage  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:55:26am

re: #159 LudwigVanQuixote

Sure, provided it looks at actual racism in politics, like the GOP sending false fliers to of false voting dates to black neighborhoods, or the years of voter intimidation by the GOP or the general racism fanned by the GOP and Fox.

Wasn’t Rove and his little buddy Tim Griffith (Ugh, running to replace Vic Snyder here in Arkansas) involved in a bit of vote caging?
Of course they were also involved in the whole DOJ scandal here with the firing of Bud Cummings.

170 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:56:38am

re: #136 Spare O’Lake

Agreed. But isn’t it far more objectionable for the DOJ itself to ignore the whistleblower’s specific allegations?

His “specific allegation” is based on a lie, that this case is indicative of the Obama DOJ when, in fact, it was ruled on under the Bush DOJ. Calling him a whistleblower doesn’t make his bullshit any more palatable or lend him any new credibility.

A “de facto policy” must be based on more than one case handled by the previous administration. He offers no proof, at all, just his own sense of white victimhood. There is nothing here to investigate except J Christian’s apparent antipathy towards black men in positions of power.

171 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:57:02am

re: #153 SanFranciscoZionist

Not unless he has actual evidence. What evidence is he presenting?

If I was in charge I would pull the guy in, put him under oath, and ask him to provide any facts in support of his allegations. That would very quickly force Adams to put up or shut up.

172 Nimed  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:57:11am

re: #54 Linden Arden

Megyn Kelly is not who she seems to be while on Fox News.

I caught her 45-minute interview with Howard Stern (now on Youtube) and she was engaging and super-polite while Howard did his usual bit of digging for personal info.

And she would NOT talk about her political persuasion.

My impression of Megyn Kelly is that “she could have been a contender”. She is much smarter than the usual boobs — Hannity, O’Reilly, Cavuto, and of course the morning clowns. Here’s a good example:

Youtube Video

Unfortunately, she chose the dark side.

173 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:57:43am

re: #164 LudwigVanQuixote

Exactly!
If he’s stupid enough to make an
unfounded/un proveable claim…
We’re better off with him no where near the DOJ!

174 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:57:48am

re: #171 Spare O’Lake

If I was in charge I would pull the guy in, put him under oath, and ask him to provide any facts in support of his allegations. That would very quickly force Adams to put up or shut up.

In charge of what?

175 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:58:00am

re: #163 Spare O’Lake

The allegation of the whistleblower, namely that there is a de facto DOJ policy of not prosecuting black on white voter intimidation? It shouldn’t take very long for the DOJ to properly put the boots to this Adams guy if he is full of crap.

It’s already been done. The doj published it’s reason for not pursuing the case. It’s pposted on the doj website and it’s very easy to find. Why investigate this bogus claim further. It’s already debunked, we’re getting into 9-11 truth territory here.

176 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:58:17am

re: #159 LudwigVanQuixote

Definitely. In everything from the sentencing of white and black defendants for identical crimes, to the difference in sentencing for crack vs. cocaine, the justice system still has a lot of institutional racism in it.

177 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:58:39am

re: #171 Spare O’Lake

If I was in charge I would pull the guy in, put him under oath, and ask him to provide any facts in support of his allegations. That would very quickly force Adams to put up or shut up.

He already went before a hearing at the DOJ and presented nothing but his opinion… no facts, no memos. no emails… nothing.

178 garhighway  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:58:58am

re: #163 Spare O’Lake

The allegation of the whistleblower, namely that there is a de facto DOJ policy of not prosecuting black on white voter intimidation? It shouldn’t take very long for the DOJ to properly put the boots to this Adams guy if he is full of crap.

Please.

Think this through. The next GOP talking point (that you would then post here) would be “DOJ clears itself: what a surprise!”. They would then call for an independent prosecutor, because clearly the DOJ cannot reliably investigate itself. The DOJ would appropriately resist that as the obvious waste of time and money that it would be, and then the next talking point would feature the phrase “DOJ cover-up”.

And so on.

Don’t be a sap. This is a bullshit story. It is sole sourced to a Republican political appointee. It is the outrage of the day because it is a slow day.

179 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:59:09am

re: #163 Spare O’Lake

So you actually believe the allegation is credible? And all stemming from an obviously ginned-up, phony scandal over the scary ooga-booga Black Panthers — a fringe group’s fringe group?

The original offender in the phony scandal was served with an injunction, and the Bush administration made the decision not to go any farther. Those are the facts.

That’s why I’m asking, an investigation into what? How do you plan to discover whether there’s a sekrit unwritten policy of helping black people win cases against white people, if not with a ridiculous fishing expedition?

I know the right wing would really love for this to turn into the next ACORN, but it’s not going to happen.

180 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:59:19am

re: #171 Spare O’Lake

Who are you in this fantasy scenario of yours, and why do you have nothing better to do?

181 avanti  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:59:25am

re: #146 LudwigVanQuixote

In other words, pure racism at its most base and two faced. This is part of why I abhor the GOP and Fox in particular. How much craven, hurtful lying and hypocrisy can one take? How many banal justifications for baseless hatred can one take? This is nothing less than politics of division based on racial fears and fueled by a smug sense of false entitlement. The so-called “conservatives” really want to keep black folks in “their place.” It could not be more obvious.

Fox loves to twist the facts to meet their agenda. Voter intimidation cases are far from rare, but little action is ever taken, be it black on white or the reverse. Much is made on Fox about the justice department lawyers refusing to comment on the “whistle blower” knowing full well that they never comment on specific cases.

182 fizzlogic  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:00:05am

re: #165 Walter L. Newton

I didn’t know there were shifts. :)

Heck, I only know about the case because my brother, who lives with me, tunes in to Glen Beck every evening. And I even try to avoid the tv during that time like the plague.

183 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:01:00am

re: #159 LudwigVanQuixote

With all due respect, it would not be for you (or me) to conduct the investigation of the whistleblower’s complaints. I had in mind a rather simple, quick, focused inquiry into the specific allegations…not the kind of deflective witch hunt which you seem to be positing in a feeble attempt to intimidate.

184 avanti  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:01:04am

re: #168 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Perhaps the “whistleblower” can provide something to back up his accusations? Documentation, audio/visual recordings, a fellow witness, something more than just his accusations?

He cites other attorneys, knowing full well that they can’t comment while in the justice department.

185 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:04:00am

re: #148 Spare O’Lake

How about a calm, controlled, sane, investigation?

Teach the controversy.

186 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:04:02am

re: #183 Spare O’Lake

I had in mind a rather simple, quick, focused inquiry into the specific allegations…

In other words, a witch hunt against Dems, while crying false crocodile tears at institutional racism, without looking at the very real institutional racism directed at black people and frequently perpetrated by the GOP and its appointees.

187 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:04:20am

Here’s some papers on the institutional racism in our justice system.

cjr.sagepub.com

informaworld.com

diverseeducation.com


This is a real problem affecting real American citizens every day, and affecting all of us in that it’s our justice system. It is, however, clearly something that shows that blacks are penalized and whites are privileged, so it’s unlikely to show up on Fox news anytime soon.

188 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:04:54am

re: #178 garhighway

Please.

Think this through. The next GOP talking point (that you would then post here) would be “DOJ clears itself: what a surprise!”. They would then call for an independent prosecutor, because clearly the DOJ cannot reliably investigate itself. The DOJ would appropriately resist that as the obvious waste of time and money that it would be, and then the next talking point would feature the phrase “DOJ cover-up”.

And so on.

Don’t be a sap. This is a bullshit story. It is sole sourced to a Republican political appointee. It is the outrage of the day because it is a slow day.

Ayep. Any investigation that does need yield an actionable level of “wrong-doing” will be viewed as incomplete or biased. There will always be one more case, one more file, one more interview that would have provided the “smoking gun.” And by the time that the final investigation was done, the ODS crowd would have already moved on to the next “outrage.”

189 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:05:35am

re: #183 Spare O’Lake

With all due respect, it would not be for you (or me) to conduct the investigation of the whistleblower’s complaints. I had in mind a rather simple, quick, focused inquiry into the specific allegations…not the kind of deflective witch hunt which you seem to be positing in a feeble attempt to intimidate.

Use google, the information is already available. There’s no need to investigate something which is so easily proven false.

190 webevintage  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:05:45am

re: #183 Spare O’Lake

With all due respect, it would not be for you (or me) to conduct the investigation of the whistleblower’s complaints. I had in mind a rather simple, quick, focused inquiry into the specific allegations…not the kind of deflective witch hunt which you seem to be positing in a feeble attempt to intimidate.

But there has been one by the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights….
mediamatters.org

191 SteveMcGazi  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:07:52am

re: #179 Charles

So what haoens when you investigate a nontroversy, and find nothing? It becomes a cover up.

192 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:09:30am

re: #183 Spare O’Lake

With all due respect, it would not be for you (or me) to conduct the investigation of the whistleblower’s complaints. I had in mind a rather simple, quick, focused inquiry into the specific allegations…not the kind of deflective witch hunt which you seem to be positing in a feeble attempt to intimidate.

You want to investigate beliefs / teach the controversy.

193 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:11:51am

re: #192 goddamnedfrank

You want to investigate beliefs / teach the controversy.

Fixed.

194 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:13:26am

re: #193 darthstar

Fixed.

Dude, you don’t know that the world really isn’t riding on the backs of elephants who are riding on the back of a turtle. You can’t believe all the propaganda that the industry-controlled media is feedin’ ya! Fight the power!

/*toke*

195 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:14:14am

re: #179 Charles

I don’t know Charles…I doubt it very much. But it seems to me that the administration has a golden opportunity here to nip this racial conspiracy thing in the bud and score some serious political points against the GOP.
Or they can do nothing and risk looking like they’re covering up.

196 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:15:30am

Meet the antiwar Republicans…..


Gingrich: Afghanistan “Won’t End Well”

Sen. Dick Lugar:Cause for Concern in Afghanistan

197 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:16:02am

re: #194 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Dude, you don’t know that the world really isn’t riding on the backs of elephants who are riding on the back of a turtle. You can’t believe all the propaganda that the industry-controlled media is feedin’ ya! Fight the power!

/*toke*

I also know who really put the dinosaur bones in the earth to test us.

controversy.wearscience.com

198 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:16:09am

re: #195 Spare O’Lake

I don’t know Charles…I doubt it very much. But it seems to me that the administration has a golden opportunity here to nip this racial conspiracy thing in the bud and score some serious political points against the GOP.
Or they can do nothing and risk looking like they’re covering up.

Your stupidity annoys me.

199 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:16:37am

re: #195 Spare O’Lake

Or they can do nothing and risk looking like they’re covering up.

To whom will it look like they’re covering it up? People who have no interest in the facts of the case?

What number of hearings would be sufficient?

200 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:16:52am

It’s like arguing with Truthers. Fucking pointless.

201 SteveMcGazi  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:17:03am

re: #195 Spare O’Lake

I had alluded to this above, but if they investigate and find nothing, now they’ve covered it up, which would be worse.

202 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:17:29am

re: #88 Walter L. Newton

How do you fel about the moon landings having been faked, or are you just not paying attention?

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!!11!!!!one!!!!1!!!eleven!!!11!!1

203 Kragar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:17:58am

Just found this handy little web thingee

Oil Spill Meter

204 albusteve  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:19:04am

re: #195 Spare O’Lake

I don’t know Charles…I doubt it very much. But it seems to me that the administration has a golden opportunity here to nip this racial conspiracy thing in the bud and score some serious political points against the GOP.
Or they can do nothing and risk looking like they’re covering up.

doesn’t matter..if it’s not this, it will be something else…for myself, I don’t have much reason to trust anyone….the fact that the DOJ dropped the case is good enough for me, just like the Bill Richardson investigation…disregarding this case the entire govt is more corrupt than not, and add to the equation the rise of the TP and the whole shebang is now a three ring circus

205 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:19:05am

OT:

Device with gas cans, wires found in car in NJ

NEWARK, N.J. — A police bomb squad in New Jersey’s largest city is using a robot to examine a vehicle containing what appears to be two gasoline canisters, wires and some type of device.

Police said earlier Wednesday that the wires were connected to the device, but now say they’re not sure that’s the case.

The Dodge Omni is parked about six car lengths from a railroad overpass in Newark that serves Amtrak and NJ Transit trains. The trains are still running.

Detective Sgt. Ronald Glover says authorities have identified the owner of the car through motor vehicle records and are attempting to contact that person.

Last month, 30-year-old Faisal Shahzad pleaded guilty to a failed bombing attempt using a sport utility vehicle rigged with a homemade bomb in New York City’s Times Square on May 1.

206 ryannon  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:19:59am

re: #203 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just found this handy little web thingee

Oil Spill Meter

Ohh! Shiny!

207 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:22:24am

re: #178 garhighway

Please.

Think this through. The next GOP talking point (that you would then post here) would be “DOJ clears itself: what a surprise!”. They would then call for an independent prosecutor, because clearly the DOJ cannot reliably investigate itself. The DOJ would appropriately resist that as the obvious waste of time and money that it would be, and then the next talking point would feature the phrase “DOJ cover-up”.

And so on.

re: #195 Spare O’Lake

I don’t know Charles…I doubt it very much. But it seems to me that the administration has a golden opportunity here to nip this racial conspiracy thing in the bud and score some serious political points against the GOP.
Or they can do nothing and risk looking like they’re covering up.


It took only 17 comments.

208 Linden Arden  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:24:07am

re: #172 Nimed

My impression of Megyn Kelly is that “she could have been a contender”. She is much smarter than the usual boobs — Hannity, O’Reilly, Cavuto, and of course the morning clowns. Here’s a good example:


[Video]Unfortunately, she chose the dark side.

Thanks for that vid. She was excellent.

And Bill-O was a raving lunatic asshole.

209 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:25:05am

re: #196 Killgore Trout

Meet the antiwar Republicans…

Gingrich: Afghanistan “Won’t End Well”

Sen. Dick Lugar:Cause for Concern in Afghanistan

Damned hippies.

210 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:25:12am

re: #207 Charles

It took only 17 comments.

Sparrow’s a little slow today.

211 Kragar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:26:28am

re: #196 Killgore Trout

Meet the antiwar Republicans…


Gingrich: Afghanistan “Won’t End Well”

Sen. Dick Lugar:Cause for Concern in Afghanistan

Maybe they should have considered that when they were so Gung-Ho about going in for the long haul in the first place.

212 Nimed  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:26:40am

re: #195 Spare O’Lake

I don’t know Charles…I doubt it very much. But it seems to me that the administration has a golden opportunity here to nip this racial conspiracy thing in the bud and score some serious political points against the GOP.
Or they can do nothing and risk looking like they’re covering up.

What exactly are you proposing should be done? Ignoring for the moment Adams’ appointment background/political connections and the fact that even some fellow conservatives are ridiculing this case. He testified that he was told the civil rights section wasn’t interested in “protecting white voters”. I assume that the people he accuses of saying this will deny it. There’s no way to proceed beyond this point.

213 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:26:45am

re: #179 Charles

So you actually believe the allegation is credible? And all stemming from an obviously ginned-up, phony scandal over the scary ooga-booga Black Panthers — a fringe group’s fringe group?

The original offender in the phony scandal was served with an injunction, and the Bush administration made the decision not to go any farther. Those are the facts.

That’s why I’m asking, an investigation into what? How do you plan to discover whether there’s a sekrit unwritten policy of helping black people win cases against white people, if not with a ridiculous fishing expedition?

I know the right wing would really love for this to turn into the next ACORN, but it’s not going to happen.

Just like ACORN, this is bullshit trumped up into some kind of paranoid fantasy.

The ACORN of reality never came close to resembling the ACORN boogeyman of the right wing. The meme is the same here. We are talking about an organization (ACORN) that was (correctly or not) deemed to be too “urban” and “poor” (read: black) for any self-respecting white nationalist republican not to suspect of foul misdeeds.

The NBPP thing is too juicy for the right wing to resist jumping all over, facts be damned. It’s an explicitly black organization. We have a black president. Clearly, there is some kind of connection.

CONSPIRACY!!! RACE WARS!!! BLACKS ARE GOING TO ENSLAVE US!!!

214 Nimed  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:27:42am

re: #209 Shiplord Kirel

Hey, sorry for misinterpreting your comments the other day.

215 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:27:49am

re: #207 Charles

It took only 17 comments.

The man quit over this after a long and distinguished career, and he claims to be willing to name names. Doesn’t that count for anything?
And BTW I didn’t read #178 before posting #195.
But if it makes folks feel better to insult me and call me names just for asking politically incorrect questions, then just go ahead and knock yourselves out.

216 theheat  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:28:35am

I couldn’t watch any more when Megyn Kelly interrupted and said Kirsten Powers didn’t know what she was talking about. I already listened to my Mel Gibson rant for the day, and I can tell this exchange isn’t going to wind up much better. I’m worn out with rude people. This one’s wearing lipstick, is all.

Nobody has the right to act surprised, even a little, when a Fox newsperson goes off into self-righteous, ignorant diatribes. The best you can do is claim you’re watching to document it, but it certainly isn’t surprising. It’s their MO, it’s what they do. Fox holds the distinction of collecting the largest group of wingnuts on one network, so for them to not behave as wingnuts is the anomaly.

On a network comprised of race-baiters, hard right fundies, climate change deniers, birthers, conspiracy wackos, and really pissed off white folks - it’s all the ingredients necessary to make shit soup, and Fox makes the tastiest shit soup on the air. You can’t eat it, then complain it tastes like shit. All you can do is say, “Boy, there sure is a lot of shit in today’s shit soup. Yumm.”

217 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:29:56am

re: #215 Spare O’Lake

Stop it with the victimhood already. Very clear arguments have been made to you that you’re not addressing— such as the fact hearings have already occurred.

If you can’t take criticism, don’t make incredibly flawed arguments.

218 ryannon  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:30:50am

re: #216 theheat

Overt sarcasm.

No soup for you.

219 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:33:28am

re: #215 Spare O’Lake

The man quit over this after a long and distinguished career, and he claims to be willing to name names. Doesn’t that count for anything?

Given that he’s a GOP activist, and after reading the DOJ’s response to his allegations, and knowing that it was actually the Bush administration that decided not to pursue the case, it doesn’t count much for me.

220 Kragar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:34:09am

FCC indecency rule struck down by appeals court

A three-judge panel of the U.S. 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals did not have the power to strike down the 1978 Supreme Court decision that affirmed the FCC’s right to police the airwaves for objectionable content. But it reversed the aggressive stance the agency took starting in 2004 that found even a slip of the tongue that got by network censors was a violation subject to fines for the stations that aired it.

The court said that policy on so-called fleeting expletives was “unconstitutionally vague” and created a “chilling effect” on the programming that broadcasters chose to air. The court echoed complaints from network executives that the FCC’s standards were nearly impossible to gauge, noting that the agency allowed the airing of the f-word and s-word in broadcasts of the World War II movie “Saving Private Ryan” but not in the PBS miniseries “The Blues.”

“Under the current policy, broadcasters must choose between not airing or censoring controversial programs and risking massive fines or possibly even loss of their licenses, and it is not surprising which option they choose,” U.S. Circuit Judge Rosemary S. Pooler wrote in Tuesday’s 3-0 decision. “Indeed, there is ample evidence in the record that the FCC’s indecency policy has chilled protected speech.”

221 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:34:38am

re: #214 Nimed

Hey, sorry for misinterpreting your comments the other day.

Thanks. It’s OK, though, I got a chance to make an important point about letting the opposition define the terms.

222 Linden Arden  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:35:14am

re: #213 Fozzie Bear

Just like ACORN, this is bullshit trumped up into some kind of paranoid fantasy.

I read something by a Breitbart type about how they were going to make the NBPP situation into the 2010 equivalent of Willie Horton.

They’ll hammer the hell out of it.

Sestak-gate is a fail. Blago-gate is a fail.

But race is the old stand-by they like the most.

223 theheat  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:38:37am

re: #220 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The ghost of Frank Zappa will be watching this closely.

Throw a few more shits and fucks out there on the boob tube; it will give the wingnuts and socons a reason to get up itchin’ for a fight every morning. It’s more poison than fluoride.

224 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:38:49am

re: #222 Linden Arden

I read something by a Breitbart type about how they were going to make the NBPP situation into the 2010 equivalent of Willie Horton.

They’ll hammer the hell out of it.

Sestak-gate is a fail. Blago-gate is a fail.

But race is the old stand-by they like the most.

Racegate?

225 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:39:40am

re: #220 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

FCC indecency rule struck down by appeals court

It’s about fucking time.

226 Kragar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:40:19am

re: #223 theheat

The ghost of Frank Zappa will be watching this closely.

Throw a few more shits and fucks out there on the boob tube; it will give the wingnuts and socons a reason to get up itchin’ for a fight every morning. It’s more poison than fluoride.

Or as Eric Cartman once said, “What’s the big deal? It doesn’t hurt anybody. Fuck-fuckety-fuck-fuck-fuck.”

227 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:40:47am

Hey Charles,

Did you see that Diaper Dave Vitter has joined the birthers? Move over Orly, there’s a new crazy in town.

228 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:42:28am

re: #200 Killgore Trout

It’s like arguing with Truthers. Fucking pointless.

re: #201 SteveMcG

I had alluded to this above, but if they investigate and find nothing, now they’ve covered it up, which would be worse.

I wonder if some portion of the right will ever begin to wake up to the fact that they are being fed one bullshit “scandal” after another, hundreds of them. Each is debunked in turn, but never before a new one is served up to displace the fading one in the public eye. It is so incredibly obvious to any intelligent observer who is willing to follow up on these stories to see the inevitable unwinding of the paranoid narrative that this is manufactured dissent. When, if ever, will the less wonky among us catch up to this?

Will there ever be a point when this kind of delusional fantasy will be viewed with the same skepticism as assertions that the moon landings were faked, or Micheal Jackson was actually a martian?

My answer would be no, the toothpaste (bullshit) has been squeezed out of the tube (the GOP), and now it’s just a waiting game to see how long we wait before we discard the tube.

There is no coming back from this for the GOP. They couldn’t roll back the crazy even if they wanted to. The propagandists are now serving their audience, because their audience is so fucking crazy that they scare everyone sane out of the theater.

Once you decide to fully tap into the fear of “the other” as a strategy at the national party level, there isn’t a way to turn back without self-immolation. Every republican that has tried to roll back the crazy has gotten themselves primaried by loonies. This cannot end well.

229 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:47:17am

“Oh child, those poor Mrunas,” she said, and was off. … the immorality – nobody but J. Grimes Everett knows.”

-Mrs. Merriweather in To Kill a Mockingbird

230 theheat  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:48:37am

re: #226 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I know several members of a local church who won’t watch programs until the church has edited out anything the church deems unsavory. Looks like their edited-program library may be growing. They’re going to need more shelves, and maybe another full-time editor.

My parents let us watch all the shits and fucks there were to be had on TV, in music, and video. Consequently, their children had a more ‘colorful’ vocabulary. And yet, not one of us turned out to be serial killers, animal torturers, spouse beaters, child molesters, schoolyard bullies, or perverts. Not yet, anyway.

231 Linden Arden  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:48:38am

re: #227 darthstar

Hey Charles,

Did you see that Diaper Dave Vitter has joined the birthers? Move over Orly, there’s a new crazy in town.

The working girls refer to him as a “mud-blower”.

Sick, I know.

Thanks, Louisiana! Spitzer resigned and he is a comparable saint!

232 darthstar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:49:18am

re: #231 Linden Arden

The working girls refer to him as a “mud-blower”.

Sick, I know.

Thanks, Louisiana! Spitzer resigned and he is a comparable saint!

That’s a detail I didn’t need to know.

233 Kragar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:50:49am

re: #230 theheat

I know several members of a local church who won’t watch programs until the church has edited out anything the church deems unsavory. Looks like their edited-program library may be growing. They’re going to need more shelves, and maybe another full-time editor.

My parents let us watch all the shits and fucks there were to be had on TV, in music, and video. Consequently, their children had a more ‘colorful’ vocabulary. And yet, not one of us turned out to be serial killers, animal torturers, spouse beaters, child molesters, schoolyard bullies, or perverts. Not yet, anyway.

Why are they watching TV anyways? They should be spending more time reading the Bible. Bunch of good for nothing heretics.
/

234 Linden Arden  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:51:24am

re: #232 darthstar

That’s a detail I didn’t need to know.

Did you see the look on his wife’s face at the presser?

She knew the details.

235 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:52:53am

re: #192 goddamnedfrank

You want to investigate beliefs / teach the controversy.

Godwin pissant.

236 Slap  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:54:44am

re: #215 Spare O’Lake

May I make a suggestion?

Replace your references to the “DOJ incident” with the phrase “Obama Birth Certificate”, and re-read your trail of comments in that light.

Does this shed any light on the negative responses you’re getting?

237 theheat  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:55:26am

re: #233 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We also read more than one book in our lives. We all read early, and read a lot. And spelling - which I’ve sadly lost as I get older and dumber - was practically beaten into us.

My mom still corrects my emails and sends them back to me. And I still feel stupid and deficient about it.

238 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:57:19am

re: #236 Slap

May I make a suggestion?

Replace your references to the “DOJ incident” with the phrase “Obama Birth Certificate”, and re-read your trail of comments in that light.

Does this shed any light on the negative responses you’re getting?

Do you realize how insulting that is to our fellow lizards? There is no way that any more than a couple of folks here would be that knee-jerk and partisan.

239 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:00:24pm

re: #238 Spare O’Lake

Oh please, we’re not idiots. The reason you’re getting shit is

A) calling for hearings when there already have been hearings

B) right on schedule, saying that it’ll look like a cover-up if there aren’t (more) hearings.


The comparison to birtherism is apt; you didn’t actually know the facts of the case, and learning them didn’t change your opinion one whit.

240 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:00:53pm

re: #238 Spare O’Lake

Do you realize how insulting that is to our fellow lizards? There is no way that any more than a couple of folks here would be that knee-jerk and partisan.

When you buy into a conspiracy theory that has never been supported by the evidence available to you all along, you aren’t going to inspire anything but derision from the well informed.

The allegation that the DOJ had any motivation for not prosecuting other than lack of ability to prevail in court has no basis in fact. There is no credible evidence to support it. None. There never has been.

241 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:00:56pm

re: #211 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Maybe they should have considered that when they were so Gung-Ho about going in for the long haul in the first place.

I try to be tolerant of politicians acting like politicians.

In this case, feh, they should be embarassed.

242 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:02:04pm

re: #215 Spare O’Lake

The man quit over this after a long and distinguished career, and he claims to be willing to name names. Doesn’t that count for anything?
And BTW I didn’t read #178 before posting #195.
But if it makes folks feel better to insult me and call me names just for asking politically incorrect questions, then just go ahead and knock yourselves out.

‘Politically incorrect’ has nothing to do with this. There is no there, there.

243 Kragar  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:03:20pm

re: #241 SanFranciscoZionist

I try to be tolerant of politicians acting like politicians.

In this case, feh, they should be embarassed.

If they’ve changed their minds, fine. People are entitled to change their minds. This attempting to make the whole thing Obama’s fault and trying to say they saw this from the beginning is total horseshit.

244 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:05:19pm

re: #230 theheat

I know several members of a local church who won’t watch programs until the church has edited out anything the church deems unsavory. Looks like their edited-program library may be growing. They’re going to need more shelves, and maybe another full-time editor.

My parents let us watch all the shits and fucks there were to be had on TV, in music, and video. Consequently, their children had a more ‘colorful’ vocabulary. And yet, not one of us turned out to be serial killers, animal torturers, spouse beaters, child molesters, schoolyard bullies, or perverts. Not yet, anyway.

A friend describes watching his daughter, toddling size, fall down and go bump. “‘it!” she said in exasperation.

“Thanks, Grandma!” he yelled at his mother.

245 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:05:37pm

So let’s get this straight, the BUSH administration, thought there was nothing to this case, and somehow, over two years later, this Obama’s fault for not diving to reopen a racially charged closed case when he should perhaps be worried about two wars, the economy, the oil spill and putting out all the fires left by eight years of GOP misrule.

The bald faced hypocrisy of it doesn’t even register on the partisans.

Spare, how about the fact that your boy W. didn’t pursue this when it came up? Why is HE not to blame?

246 Slap  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:05:58pm

re: #205 NJDhockeyfan

.I know plenty of people who believe the Omni was an act of Detroit terrorism….////

247 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:07:31pm

A little music that clearly, ohh so clearly, shows the fantasies and the dangers of the teabag movement. They see themselves as the ants.

Youtube Video
248 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:08:23pm

re: #238 Spare O’Lake

Do you realize how insulting that is to our fellow lizards? There is no way that any more than a couple of folks here would be that knee-jerk and partisan.

And you are one of them.

249 Linden Arden  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:09:27pm

re: #245 LudwigVanQuixote

Spare, how about the fact that your boy W. didn’t pursue this when it came up? Why is HE not to blame?

Or that the Bush DOJ dropped any possible CRIMINAL action?

What kind of civil proceeding would result against a guy with a police baton who didn’t assault anyone?

Pure bullshit hyperventilation from the wingnuts.

250 theheat  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:09:53pm

re: #244 SanFranciscoZionist

Kids do repeat the funniest things, and it’s way funnier when they say it.

My horseshoer used to bring his little girl with him, who was a holy terror, and always into mischief the second he’d turn his back. One day she was running back to him after who-knows-what she was in, and she almost tripped over a dog in the barn aisle.

“What happened, Baby?” he asked, sympathetically.

“It was that goddamned dog!” she said, all cross-faced, and pointing.

She was probably two years old.

251 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:10:14pm

re: #231 Linden Arden

The working girls refer to him as a “mud-blower”.

Sick, I know.

Thanks, Louisiana! Spitzer resigned and he is a comparable saint!

A mud blower…. mmm… yummy… Now I am not normally one to judge people on their sexual choices, but that is over any lines my liberalism is capable of embracing.

252 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:12:02pm

re: #228 Fozzie Bear

MJ actually was a martian… Otherwise excellent post.

253 Slap  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:12:14pm

re: #230 theheat

That reminds me of a story from about a year ago about a Christian group’s “news” website. They had installed a filter to either eliminate or replace certain “objectionable” terms (because, you know, knowing that there are words in our language is a horrible burden).

Thus, a victory by sprinter Tyson Gay featured a “modified” headline indicating that “Homosexual wins 200 Meters”.

It still makes me laugh.

254 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:12:49pm

re: #238 Spare O’Lake

Do you realize how insulting that is to our fellow lizards? There is no way that any more than a couple of folks here would be that knee-jerk and partisan.

It’s not insulting to me in the least, because Slap is exactly right. Hell, I’ll go further and say you can exchange this latest “outrage” with any other “outrage” that has cropped up since Jan ‘09 and the arguments will read exactly the same. That we need more investigations, more hearings, need to bump up the case to the next level when the previous investigations fail to turn up something. And that refusal to waste more time and money investigating spurious claims and absolute bullshit constitutes a “cover-up” that looks bad for the Democrats.

“Perhaps you have heard Russian epic of Cinderella? If shoe fits, wear it!”

255 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:13:06pm

re: #249 Linden Arden

Or that the Bush DOJ dropped any possible CRIMINAL action?

What kind of civil proceeding would result against a guy with a police baton who didn’t assault anyone?

Pure bullshit hyperventilation from the wingnuts.

Groundwork is being laid for the scandals of the midterms.

256 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:13:59pm

The GOP is experiencing the beginning of the conflict of the liars and the gullible. The bag party is composed of the gullible who desperately want to believe the lies, but have figured out that something is wrong with the GOP. Among themselves, they say things like “the Bush administration and the GOP congress didn’t deliver conservatism”, and many have even been calling Bush a “closet liberal”.

Besides, wingers are nasty people who turn viciously on anybody that disagrees with them. This is the beginning of the process where the GOP tears itself angrily in two, or maybe many, pieces of mutually recriminating and angrily snarling sects, all claiming the One True Mantle of St. Ronnie and blaming each other for the “failure to deliver conservatism”

Don’t be fooled by their prospects of taking over the House or even the Senate this fall. No matter who is in charge of congress next year, pretty soon all you will see in the GOP is a snarly catfight.

257 Linden Arden  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:15:16pm

re: #251 LudwigVanQuixote

A mud blower… mmm… yummy… Now I am not normally one to judge people on their sexual choices, but that is over any lines my liberalism is capable of embracing.

I despise the abject hypocrisy of David Vitter. He is beneath contempt.

And to drag his poor wife through it at the press conference. while appealing to Christian values? Disgusting.

Wendy Vitter’s Shame in Full View to Save David

258 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:16:38pm

re: #256 engineer dog

The GOP is experiencing the beginning of the conflict of the liars and the gullible. The bag party is composed of the gullible who desperately want to believe the lies, but have figured out that something is wrong with the GOP. Among themselves, they say things like “the Bush administration and the GOP congress didn’t deliver conservatism”, and many have even been calling Bush a “closet liberal”.

Besides, wingers are nasty people who turn viciously on anybody that disagrees with them. This is the beginning of the process where the GOP tears itself angrily in two, or maybe many, pieces of mutually recriminating and angrily snarling sects, all claiming the One True Mantle of St. Ronnie and blaming each other for the “failure to deliver conservatism”

Don’t be fooled by their prospects of taking over the House or even the Senate this fall. No matter who is in charge of congress next year, pretty soon all you will see in the GOP is a snarly catfight.

And I will be serving popcorn - provided they don’t gain too many seats.

259 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:18:49pm

re: #257 Linden Arden

I despise the abject hypocrisy of David Vitter. He is beneath contempt.

And to drag his poor wife through it at the press conference. while appealing to Christian values? Disgusting.

Wendy Vitter’s Shame in Full View to Save David

I’d just once like to see one of these guys, from either party, step up and tell the press. “My wife’s not here today. She’s such a saint, she said she would appear, when our spin doctors said it would look good. But while I may be an asshole who betrayed our marriage vows with a (hooker, call boy, intern, lobbyist, alligator wrestler), I’m not that much of an asshole. We’re here today because I screwed up, and my wife doesn’t need to stress herself out standing here and looking supportive. I don’t deserve her support. She’s at a spa, getting a seaweed wrap, and then going out to dinner with her sister.

“OK, press, fire away. What do you want to know?”

260 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:19:37pm

re: #257 Linden Arden

I despise the abject hypocrisy of David Vitter. He is beneath contempt.

And to drag his poor wife through it at the press conference. while appealing to Christian values? Disgusting.

Wendy Vitter’s Shame in Full View to Save David

OTOH, isn’t she the one who made the whole speech about how she would NEVER do a Hillary?

261 theheat  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:22:14pm

re: #253 Slap

Thank goodness there are organizations to shield virtuous people from such offensive words, no matter how it alters the facts.

I cannot shake the mental picture I have of people like this rushing to their minister (or whatever), hiding behind that same curtain from The Wizard of Oz, to ask advice on what they should watch on television, listen to on the radio, or what videos to rent. Then they wait for that supposedly divine proclomation they require before doing anything as mundane as turn the television on or off, lest their sensibilities are offended, or they’re downdinged on the pious roster.

262 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:23:04pm

re: #260 SanFranciscoZionist

OTOH, isn’t she the one who made the whole speech about how she would NEVER do a Hillary?

Good point. Karma really is a bitch isn’t it?

263 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:23:15pm

re: #245 LudwigVanQuixote

So let’s get this straight, the BUSH administration, thought there was nothing to this case, and somehow, over two years later, this Obama’s fault for not diving to reopen a racially charged closed case when he should perhaps be worried about two wars, the economy, the oil spill and putting out all the fires left by eight years of GOP misrule.

The bald faced hypocrisy of it doesn’t even register on the partisans.

Spare, how about the fact that your boy W. didn’t pursue this when it came up? Why is HE not to blame?

My “boy W”? Let Bush take the rap for the initial decision - I don’t give a flying shit. What I am interested in is the perception that the whistleblower’s allegations being swept under the rug by the Obama administration…and the obvious denial around here that this is exactly what is happening.

264 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:23:17pm

re: #259 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m tempted to run for office just so I can hold a press conference that says,

“Guys, I’ve had an interesting life. Done drugs, gotten into fights, have a lot of very strange friends. Some commies, some criminals, some crazy folk. Yes, I set of fireworks in Harvard Stadium— it was fun, I’d do it again. Yeah, I slept with her. And her. Ooh, she’ll give you stories— not only does she hate me, but that was during my Drinky McAlky phase. What? No, the love of Jesus hasn’t redeemed me; I’m an atheist. Oh, and stay the fuck away from my wife or I’ll throw you in a lake and then drain the lake so you get covered in that foul-smelling lake mud.”

265 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:24:01pm

re: #263 Spare O’Lake

You started out this thread asking for a hearing.

Turns out there’s been a hearing.

You don’t give a shit.

Why should we give a shit about your tired accusation that LGF is in denial?

266 Linden Arden  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:24:01pm

re: #260 SanFranciscoZionist

OTOH, isn’t she the one who made the whole speech about how she would NEVER do a Hillary?

I don’t know. But she stated in the presser I linked that she had known about his hooker weakness for years.

That’s fine for some.

But this asshole ran and voted as a fucking “family values conservative” for years!

And it chaps my ass he leads his opponent by about 20 points for 2010 reelection.

267 theheat  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:29:00pm

re: #266 Linden Arden

But this asshole ran and voted as a fucking “family values conservative” for years!

Which one? It’s happened so many times, there’s even a word for it: hypocrite. i.e. Some Dude (R-Hypocrite) To be fair, it happens mostly to the R’s because they really soak the “family values” thing for all it’s worth. The Dems that do it (and they do) usually don’t have the family values cred.

268 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:31:06pm

re: #263 Spare O’Lake

My “boy W”? Let Bush take the rap for the initial decision - I don’t give a flying shit. What I am interested in is the perception that the whistleblower’s allegations being swept under the rug by the Obama administration…and the obvious denial around here that this is exactly what is happening.

The Obama administration can’t respond to every partisan hack claiming deep knowledge of something bad happening.

There’s been a hearing. Nothing came of it. No one thinks this is a cover up except the people who wouldn’t be convinced of the administration’s innocence by anything.

269 Linden Arden  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:35:39pm

re: #267 theheat

True. Dems are just as prone to foibles.

Massa “ticklefight”
Spitzer.
Mark Foley (R) resigned.

But a Senator is so powerful. Look at Scott Brown (I am a fan of his).

But Vitter does not belong in the Senate.

270 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:38:34pm

re: #269 Linden Arden

True. Dems are just as prone to foibles.

Massa “ticklefight”
Spitzer.
Mark Foley (R) resigned.

But a Senator is so powerful. Look at Scott Brown (I am a fan of his).

But Vitter does not belong in the Senate.

So when a Dem, comparatively rarely to GOP incidents of this, gets caught with his pecker in the wrong place, the GOP goes ballistic and carries crosses everywhere. When it is one of theirs though - and frequently a much more “colorful” scandal than just having one’s pecker in the wrong plce, like in the wrong place in a public restroom, or mud blowing or whatever, it is now all Christian to forgive.

271 theheat  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:41:38pm

re: #270 LudwigVanQuixote

Usually, the R’s caught with a wandering dick, are the first ones to run to Mr. Wizard behind the curtain at the church for counseling, and are often seen with bibles, quoting scripture, or making obvious appearances at church.

See, the family values R’s just “lost their way.” But Dems were evil cockjugglers to begin with.
//

272 Linden Arden  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:44:15pm

re: #270 LudwigVanQuixote

So when a Dem, comparatively rarely to GOP incidents of this, gets caught with his pecker in the wrong place, the GOP goes ballistic and carries crosses everywhere. When it is one of theirs though - and frequently a much more “colorful” scandal than just having one’s pecker in the wrong plce, like in the wrong place in a public restroom, or mud blowing or whatever, it is now all Christian to forgive.

Double standards abound! You nailed it!

Senator John Ensign asks his parents pay off his subordinates to avoid scandal?

WTF?

I mean ethics are an old subject.


But Republicans benefit from the appearance of ethics while in reality they are the most unethical.

273 Stanley Sea  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:48:04pm

Weigel is guest posting this week on Sullivan’s blog.

This is worth a read - his take on the Megyn Kelly/Booga booga story:

andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com

One of the more jarring passages in Rick Perlstein’s “Nixonland” is his recounting of a popular myth that went around Iowa in 1966, the year of the conservative backlash against the Great Society. The myth was that black gang members on motorcycles were going to head from Chicago to ransack Des Moines. Reading this in 2008, it sounded preposterous, the kind of thing that no one could believe in the country that was about to elect Barack Obama. But Kelly, under the guise of journalism, is working to create a rumor like this in 2010. Watch her broadcasts and you become convinced that the New Black Panthers are a powerful group that hate white people and operate under the protection of Eric Holder’s DOJ. That “Megyn Kelly DESTROYS Kirsten Powers” video that I mentioned begins with her introducing a clip of a town hall meeting with Rep. Brad Sherman (D-Ca.) in which he gets an angry question about whether the DOJ has a policy of not prosecuting African-Americans.

“I am extremely sure that we do not have a policy at the Department of Justice of never prosecuting a black defendent.”

The crowd rises up. “Yes you do!” shouts one voter. When Sherman says he doesn’t know much about the Panther case, the crowd erupts in boos. They’ve been driven to fear and distrust of their DOJ by round-the-clock videos of one racist idiot brandishing a nightstick for a couple hours in 2008.

Congratulations, Megyn.

274 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:51:40pm

re: #265 Obdicut

You started out this thread asking for a hearing.

Turns out there’s been a hearing.

You don’t give a shit.

Why should we give a shit about your tired accusation that LGF is in denial?

There has been no hearing into the whistleblower’s allegations of systemic race-based non-enforcement.

275 palomino  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:52:17pm

re: #131 Spare O’Lake

re: #115 darthstar

So should the allegations of the whistleblower be ignored or summarily dismissed by the DOJ, or should they look into the matter?

The whistleblower’s charges haven’t been ignored. OPR is investigating right now.

276 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:58:08pm

re: #274 Spare O’Lake

You don’t actually know anything about the facts of the matter, and you don’t appear to care about the facts of the matter.

277 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 1:02:01pm

re: #275 palomino

re: #276 Obdicut

I was not aware of the pending OPR investigation. Apparently that is just now getting underway.

278 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 1:03:34pm

re: #277 Spare O’Lake

You weren’t aware of the hearing that already took place, either. You weren’t aware of much, but you were sure to express your concern.

Again: People here aren’t stupid.

279 palomino  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 1:10:23pm

I’m afraid the rabid response from the right on this is all of a piece with the meme that Obama cares more about blacks than whites.

Instances of reverse racism, real or imagined, are hyped to make the administration seem radical and to score points with the base.

The fact that only four guys were involved here doesn’t matter. Like ACORN, this is all meant to frighten—to suggest a new America where whites have lost something in the way of rights or status.

280 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 1:21:07pm

re: #270 LudwigVanQuixote

So when a Dem, comparatively rarely to GOP incidents of this, gets caught with his pecker in the wrong place, the GOP goes ballistic and carries crosses everywhere. When it is one of theirs though - and frequently a much more “colorful” scandal than just having one’s pecker in the wrong plce, like in the wrong place in a public restroom, or mud blowing or whatever, it is now all Christian to forgive.

Never forget, it’s Christian to forgive a fellow Christian. Those fucking liberal commie heathens deserve no quarter, because they are evil, hate God, and want all good white Christian babies to be slaves for the communist agenda.

281 chordata  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 1:21:33pm

The Fox community is outraged by a wooden baton but passes when one of their own shows up with a GUN at a campaign rally.

282 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 1:23:53pm

re: #274 Spare O’Lake

There has been no hearing into the whistleblower’s allegations of systemic race-based non-enforcement.

I demand a hearing to determine why you hate America. /

283 countrockulot  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 1:40:42pm

re: #274 Spare O’Lake

Also, why no hearings on the Jews controlling the banking industry? I heard about that on a blog too!

284 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:04:25pm

Anyone who leaves the cutesy “y” in the name “Megyn” that she got from obviously retarded parents is herself a moron.


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