John Birch Society Praises Glenn Beck for Promoting Their ‘Ideas’

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The paleo-creepy John Birch Society is congratulating Fox News star Glenn Beck again today, for doing such a good job of promoting their long-discredited conspiracy theories and bigotry: Glenn Beck’s John Birch Society News Hour.

Quotes from the JBS website:

On last night’s TV show Glenn Beck spent most of the first segment of his show discussing how similar the Democratic and Republican parties have become in recent years. To help his audience understand how this has come about Beck used a famous quote from Carroll Quigley’s infamous book Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time, which was published in 1966.

For longtime members of The John Birch Society (JBS) this quote from Quigley and even Beck’s mention of Quigley himself is like encountering an old friend after a long separation. Writers for JBS publications have been quoting from Quigley for over 40 years now. JBS President John F. McManus has almost singlehandedly popularized Quigley’s quote among grassroots constitutionalists during the last couple decades. One example of this is “Beyond the Obama Agenda” by John F. McManus, posted at TheNewAmerican.com on November 25, 2008. Furthermore, The John Birch Society has been selling Tragedy and Hope for over 40 years.

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1 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:46:55am

An endorsement from John Birch is like an endorsement from Vlad the Impaler.

A sane person would see a red flag there.

2 Kronocide  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:52:16am

Beck is a caricature of populist shtick.

3 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:52:33am

re: #1 LudwigVanQuixote

An endorsement from John Birch is like an endorsement from Vlad the Impaler.

A sane person would see a red flag there.

the gap has widened to a chasm....sanity, reason and principle have nothing to do anymore with influence, votes and power....expect the JBS to have a seat at Fox soon

4 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:55:28am

I lament the fact that my parents love Beck and have drank the kool-aid he has been peddling. Even worse they won't listen to reason any more and realize just how bad crazy he is.

5 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:56:04am

re: #2 BigPapa

Beck is a caricature of populist shtick.

Poe's law applies.

6 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:56:28am

I've been aware of the JBS for going on 50 years now. The only time I felt even a twinge of sympathy was when the JBS president, Congressman Larry McDonald, was killed by the Soviets on KAL 007.
JBS naturally went on to demean the episode by claiming that McDonald had been the specific target all along.

7 jamesfirecat  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:56:29am

re: #1 LudwigVanQuixote

An endorsement from John Birch is like an endorsement from Vlad the Impaler.

A sane person would see a red flag there.

Hey, from what I've heard Vlad the Impaler is considered their version of King Arthur down in what used to be Wallachia because he helped keep them from being absorbed by the Turks.

I sir won't have you soil the good name of Dracula by comparing him to the John Birch society!

8 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:57:03am

re: #1 LudwigVanQuixote

That's assuming that people understood just how far out on the fringe the Birchers are. Given just how politically illiterate many Americans are, to expect them to know what the JBS stands for is too much.

But that should not stop us from showing them for what they are.

9 palomino  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:57:15am

re: #1 LudwigVanQuixote

An endorsement from John Birch is like an endorsement from Vlad the Impaler.

A sane person would see a red flag there.

Beck tries to pass himself off as a self-made student of history. But, with respect to the JBS, he's either ignorant or indifferent. Occasionally we should take him at his word, like when he refers to himself as a "clown."

10 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:57:52am

re: #1 LudwigVanQuixote

An endorsement from John Birch is like an endorsement from Vlad the Impaler.

A sane person would see a red flag there.

I expect Beck to immediately reject the JBS endorsement and to distance himself from their organization. I also expect to win a $50 million lottery tonight without buying a ticket.

11 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:59:49am

Beck an Palin and the JBS: vampire fascists leering down the decolletage of Lady Liberty.

12 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:01:33am

re: #11 Cato the Elder

Youtube Video
13 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:01:39am

re: #11 Cato the Elder

Beck an Palin and the JBS: vampire fascists leering down the decolletage of Lady Liberty.

Snogging Shoggoths.

14 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:02:44am

re: #12 lawhawk

[Video]

Whenever he makes that face, I feel generations of my fathers rise up within me. They all say "Cut that out, or I will give you something to cry about!"

15 palomino  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:03:17am

re: #8 lawhawk

That's assuming that people understood just how far out on the fringe the Birchers are. Given just how politically illiterate many Americans are, to expect them to know what the JBS stands for is too much.

But that should not stop us from showing them for what they are.

My dad was an old school ultraconservative. He thought Truman erred by not marching east from Germany into the USSR post-WWII, and that we should have then threatened the "commie bastards" with our nukes to prevent them from ever getting their own. He loved Goldwater, Nixon, even had a soft spot for Joe McCarthy. Yeah, my dad was a proud far right winger, but even HE wouldn't join the JBS because it was too far out there. It's truly a depraved poisonous organization.

16 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:06:06am

re: #6 Shiplord Kirel

Incidentally, it was Larry McDonald who originated this now-familiar aphorism:

"We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box."
17 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:06:33am

re: #11 Cato the Elder

Beck an Palin and the JBS: vampire fascists leering down the decolletage of Lady Liberty.

Speaking only for myself, lumping Palin in with the JBS really stinks.

18 Mocking Jay  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:09:27am

re: #17 Spare O'Lake

Speaking only for myself, lumping Palin in with the JBS really stinks.

She just reads it for the articles.

20 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:10:37am

re: #10 Spare O'Lake

don't you mean he should refudiate the JBS?

21 Winny Spencer  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:11:16am

Agreed jamesfirecat. At least Vlad had some redeeming qualities, while the JBS has none.

That said, the (ironic) JBS song someone posted yesterday is quite catchy.

22 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:15:45am

When you least expect it, crazy John Birchers pop up everywhere. You got to be careful...

Michelle and I were deeply saddened to learn of the passing of Retired Navy Lt. John William Finn, the oldest living Medal of Honor recipient. Our thoughts and prayers are with his family and loved ones at this time. Lt. Finn received the Medal for the heroism he displayed during the attack on Pearl Harbor. Under a torrent of gunfire, Lt. Finn defended his fellow Sailors, holding his position for two hours until the skies went quiet, despite suffering serious wounds. Like many of those who have served our nation with such distinction, Lt. Finn often said that he never intended to be a hero. Instead, he felt that he was simply doing his duty. But his modesty does not diminish his extraordinary conduct – or the incredible example he has set for our men and women in uniform and for all Americans. I had the privilege of meeting Lt. Finn last year, and I was struck by his warmth and humility. As we mark Memorial Day, and pay tribute all who have fallen in defense of this nation, the passing of Lt. Finn is a reminder of the sacrifices that generations have made to preserve the freedoms we hold dear.

The memorial page by the John Birch Society for Lt. Finn... (Google cache)...

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

23 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:15:55am

OT--went to the garage sale. Picked up some K'nex, a wrist band supporting the girl with cancer, various other small items, etc.

Left behind the antique typewriter, mostly because it didn't seem to work. The idea of bringing it home and trying to fix it was fascinating, but I have too many other projects right now.

24 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:16:37am

LOL. The big ad on the right side of LGF right now is for Michele Bachmann.

"Standing Together
Michele Bachmann
And Tea Party
Activists
Across America"

Click Here.

Someone else do the clicking for me, please. She has one of those "I want to suck the blood out of your prostate" smiles.

25 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:17:35am

re: #24 Cato the Elder


On your computer. I've got Barnes & Noble.

What else have you been clicking on, Cato?

26 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:17:45am

re: #21 Winny Spencer

Agreed jamesfirecat. At least Vlad had some redeeming qualities, while the JBS has none.

That said, the (ironic) JBS song someone posted yesterday is quite catchy.

One is a bloodthirtsy vicious parasite which attempts to hide its true nature from the masses.

The other was a knight who fought the Turks.

27 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:17:55am

re: #24 Cato the Elder

She has one of those "I want to suck the blood out of your prostate" smiles.

i think i need to bleach my brain...

28 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:24:25am

What's really sad about this is that nobody cares or even notices anymore. It's just become common place mainstream conservative thought.

29 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:27:46am

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Apparently it's all to be expected because this one time, a Democrat kicked a puppy.

30 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:29:13am

re: #24 Cato the Elder

Call in Buffy!

Image: Buffy-the-Vampire-Slayer-Angel--Avatar-2010-02-25.jpg

31 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:29:34am

re: #29 Obdicut

Apparently it's all to be expected because this one time, a Democrat kicked a puppy.

Fucking puppies.

32 Batman  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:29:35am

God they sound so proud to be so delusional and perverted.

33 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:30:30am

re: #28 Killgore Trout

What's really sad about this is that nobody cares or even notices anymore. It's just become common place mainstream conservative thought.

I disagree. I think most conservatives don't actually pay attention to the JBS, so they don't know what it means.

I know for a fact that the GOP in Oregon has been keeping the 9-12 people away from the Republican candidate for congress.

34 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:32:01am

re: #28 Killgore Trout

What's really sad about this is that nobody cares or even notices anymore. It's just become common place mainstream conservative thought.

I wonder how many Americans have a clue about what the JBS stands for, especially anyone under the age of 50.

35 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:32:38am

re: #28 Killgore Trout

That would be the same mainstream that sees no problem associating with Pat Buchanan.

36 DaddyG  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:32:53am

As a thank you gift the John Birch Society sent Glenn Beck 75 feet of Aluminum Foil and a hat stand.

37 DaddyG  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:33:34am

re: #34 Spare O'Lake

I wonder how many Americans have a clue about what the JBS stands for, especially anyone under the age of 50.


The Society for the Preservation of Wooden Toilet Seats (otherwise known as the Birch John Society)

38 SpaceJesus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:34:01am

fox news is running a series on "honor killings" looks like.

oddly timed?

39 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:34:20am

re: #34 Spare O'Lake

I wonder how many Americans have a clue about what the JBS stands for, especially anyone under the age of 50.

Nope. But the ideas pushed out by the JBS are being mainstreamed.

It doesn't matter if no one knows their name, if their ideas are becoming part of the common GOP lexicon. And they are.

40 darthstar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:34:45am

Wow...the JBS is actually able to use the word "Democratic" in the same sentence as "party"...the Republicans could learn something from them.

41 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:36:37am

re: #33 EmmmieG

I disagree. I think most conservatives don't actually pay attention to the JBS, so they don't know what it means.

I know for a fact that the GOP in Oregon has been keeping the 9-12 people away from the Republican candidate for congress.


I think that's part of the problem. Most Republicans think that Glenn Beck is coming up with these ideas on his own or getting them from reliable places or real research. If they knew that these ideas came from an already discredited conspiracy cult nobody would pay attention. Beck and Fox News give these conspiracy theories real credibility.

42 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:36:47am

re: #38 SpaceJesus

fox news is running a series on "honor killings" looks like.

oddly timed?

gearing up for the the rage-a-thon countdown

43 DaddyG  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:37:09am

re: #38 SpaceJesus

fox news is running a series on "honor killings" looks like.

oddly timed?

Seen the movie "Up"? Squirrel!!!!

44 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:37:26am

OT: Say you want to build a nuclear plant in the US. Say you want to build one where you've already built three other plants.

Now ask yourself how long it will take to build?

Well, in NJ, we're going to have to wait three years before the regulators can determine whether the site is suitable for the fourth plant. Then, throw in the environmental reviews, lawsuits, and other sundry matters, and it might be a decade before a shovel hits the ground.

That's just the proverbial tip of the iceberg on why it is so damned difficult to shift from hydrocarbon based fuel sources to nuclear. Even if we wanted to go nuclear, we can't do so anytime soon - or quickly. President Obama and Congress could do something to clear red tape to expedite the construction of nuclear power plants, but it seems that no one is willing to go there...

45 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:37:53am

re: #7 jamesfirecat

Hey, from what I've heard Vlad the Impaler is considered their version of King Arthur down in what used to be Wallachia because he helped keep them from being absorbed by the Turks.

I sir won't have you soil the good name of Dracula by comparing him to the John Birch society!

Oh, dear God, I just realized. It's way overdue for some overzealous antijihadi to start rehabbing the rep of Vlad Tepes because, after all, he fought the Turks.

46 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:38:00am

re: #43 DaddyG

Seen the movie "Up"? Squirrel!!!

And Basil Marceux.com comes running in looking for dinner.

47 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:38:24am

re: #8 lawhawk

That's assuming that people understood just how far out on the fringe the Birchers are. Given just how politically illiterate many Americans are, to expect them to know what the JBS stands for is too much.

But that should not stop us from showing them for what they are.

My parents just keep blinking at me and saying "The JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY? They're still around?"

48 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:39:13am

re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, dear God, I just realized. It's way overdue for some overzealous antijihadi to start rehabbing the rep of Vlad Tepes because, after all, he fought the Turks.

Vlad Tepes is way overdue to be made into a big-budget, mega-special-effect, bad acting movie.

Or a small art house movie.

Whichever.

49 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:39:47am

re: #9 palomino

Beck tries to pass himself off as a self-made student of history. But, with respect to the JBS, history in generalhe's either ignorant or indifferent. Occasionally we should take him at his word, like when he refers to himself as a "clown."

FIFY

50 DaddyG  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:40:21am

I remember my first discussion with a JBS member. He started out with some innocent sounding populist ideas that intrigued me. When I responded he launched into the heavy stuff and I was suddenly having one of those "oh boy, what kind of discussion have I gotten myself into, no sudden movements, try not to nod too much..." moments.

51 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:41:23am

re: #48 EmmmieG

Vlad Tepes is way overdue to be made into a big-budget, mega-special-effect, bad acting movie.

Or a small art house movie.

Whichever.

OH!! Can they slow down right before every sword swing, then speed up again, because I SOOOOOO love that.

///

52 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:41:54am

re: #48 EmmmieG

I'm all for it so long as the damned vampire doesn't frakking sparkle in sunlight.

53 Mocking Jay  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:42:01am

re: #50 DaddyG

I remember my first discussion with a JBS member. He started out with some innocent sounding populist ideas that intrigued me. When I responded he launched into the heavy stuff and I was suddenly having one of those "oh boy, what kind of discussion have I gotten myself into, no sudden movements, try not to nod too much..." moments.

I can't say that I've ever met one in the wild...

54 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:42:10am

re: #50 DaddyG

I remember my first discussion with a JBS member. He started out with some innocent sounding populist ideas that intrigued me. When I responded he launched into the heavy stuff and I was suddenly having one of those "oh boy, what kind of discussion have I gotten myself into, no sudden movements, try not to nod too much..." moments.

Carry a small shiny object which can be easily thrown to serve as a distraction as you make your break.

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:43:36am

re: #29 Obdicut

Apparently it's all to be expected because this one time, a Democrat kicked a puppy.

And I support shooting that Democrat, but the John Birch Society is still crazy.

56 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:44:33am

re: #34 Spare O'Lake

I wonder how many Americans have a clue about what the JBS stands for, especially anyone under the age of 50.

The only reason I knew about them before Charles started noticing their resurgence is because my father liked to sing the song.

Socialism is the ism dismalist of all!

57 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:46:17am

re: #38 SpaceJesus

fox news is running a series on "honor killings" looks like.

oddly timed?

You mean, like, it wouldn't have happened if the victim's families had been unable to build a mosque in Manhattan, oddly timed?

Otherwise, probably not. It's sort of a natural phenom for a new series. High interest, gory, sympathetic victims.

58 darthstar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:46:53am

PSA: For those who have iPhones and want to crack, hack, or jailbreak them. One of the most popular tools for doing so is a .pdf document you simply browse to online. It takes advantage of a vulnerability in the iPhone's operating system security to unlock the phone(basically, a vulnerability in the iPhone's buffer overflow). So, if you *trust* the hacker who wrote that application to have only put in code to break the ties to AT&T and nothing else, then feel free to do so. But as I work for a software security firm, and we specialize in protecting our customers from releasing software with such vulnerabilities, and after watching people there shudder when this "fix" was brought up in conversation, I'd strongly advise against it.

If you want a smart phone without AT&T, get an Android. If you want an iPhone, stick with AT&T...unless you don't store any personal information on the phone...then you're probably perfectly safe.

59 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:47:19am

re: #23 EmmmieG

OT--went to the garage sale. Picked up some K'nex, a wrist band supporting the girl with cancer, various other small items, etc.

Left behind the antique typewriter, mostly because it didn't seem to work. The idea of bringing it home and trying to fix it was fascinating, but I have too many other projects right now.

If it's any comfort to you, I have an old-fashioned brokeback oscilloscope in my basement that you can have to fix up. Just come over and collect it.

60 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:47:27am

re: #44 lawhawk

OT: Say you want to build a nuclear plant in the US. Say you want to build one where you've already built three other plants.

Now ask yourself how long it will take to build?

Well, in NJ, we're going to have to wait three years before the regulators can determine whether the site is suitable for the fourth plant. Then, throw in the environmental reviews, lawsuits, and other sundry matters, and it might be a decade before a shovel hits the ground.

That's just the proverbial tip of the iceberg on why it is so damned difficult to shift from hydrocarbon based fuel sources to nuclear. Even if we wanted to go nuclear, we can't do so anytime soon - or quickly. President Obama and Congress could do something to clear red tape to expedite the construction of nuclear power plants, but it seems that no one is willing to go there...

Sadly so true.

I posted a link to an article called "Who cooked the planet?"

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

It pretty much says it all.

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:48:03am

re: #46 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And Basil Marceux.com comes running in looking for dinner.

One of my high school friends is currently helping out with a buddy's run for Massachusetts state rep. I posted the Basil Marceaux ad to her as an example of what Tackey probably shouldn't do.

I also suggested he not introduce himself to anyone as Tackey Chan.com.

62 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:49:02am

re: #58 darthstar

I've heard that the phone will revert to the pre-hacked state whenever you access Apple's iTunes or other Apple features. Reverting the phone will also help if you have a software/hardware problem with the phone and need it to be serviced by Apple. Hacking the phone will void the warranty.

63 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:49:29am

re: #59 Cato the Elder

If it's any comfort to you, I have an old-fashioned brokeback oscilloscope in my basement that you can have to fix up. Just come over and collect it.

It was actually my daughter who wanted it--mostly for the cool buttons. I told her about these keyboards:
[Link: steampunkworkshop.com...]

And now she has a want.

64 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:49:40am

re: #39 Obdicut

Nope. But the ideas pushed out by the JBS are being mainstreamed.

It doesn't matter if no one knows their name, if their ideas are becoming part of the common GOP lexicon. And they are.

The reason the name recognition matters is because, without it, one must waste a lot of time and effort identifying and discrediting their slippery, sleazy doubletalk.

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:49:55am

re: #51 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OH!! Can they slow down right before every sword swing, then speed up again, because I SOOO love that.

///

Hell, you think you're kidding....I spent all of 300 muttering, "Oh, great, make the Persian look like the bad guys--compared to the freedom-lovin', baby-exposin', helot-murderin' militaristic freakazoid heroes, why dontcha?"

66 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:50:17am

re: #61 SanFranciscoZionist

One of my high school friends is currently helping out with a buddy's run for Massachusetts state rep. I posted the Basil Marceaux ad to her as an example of what Tackey probably shouldn't do.

I also suggested he not introduce himself to anyone as Tackey Chan.com.

Also, avoid gold fringe at all costs.

67 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:50:49am

re: #38 SpaceJesus

fox news is running a series on "honor killings" looks like.

oddly timed?

Because the propagandists at Fox are the ones covering the story though, people in the middle and the left will dismiss the realities of honor killings and the horrs behind them. Because the MSM doesn't look into such things, people who watch Fox, have something true and horrible to point to when they claim that lefties ignore the realities.

In both cases, the hand wringing and jingoism of Fox coupled with the apathy of the left brig no real recognition of a serious issue.

68 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:51:24am

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

Hell, you think you're kidding...I spent all of 300 muttering, "Oh, great, make the Persian look like the bad guys--compared to the freedom-lovin', baby-exposin', helot-murderin' militaristic freakazoid heroes, why dontcha?"

That movie has given teenage boys something to shout whenever they feel bored, however.

69 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:52:10am

re: #63 EmmmieG

It was actually my daughter who wanted it--mostly for the cool buttons. I told her about these keyboards:
[Link: steampunkworkshop.com...]

And now she has a want.

Give a grrrl a keyboard, and she will write you a thank-you email.

Teach a grrrl how to make her own Steampunk keyboard, and she will support you in your old age.

70 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:52:21am

re: #68 EmmmieG

That movie has given teenage boys something to shout whenever they feel bored, however.

Anchorman was better and more accurate.

"LOUD NOISES! I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!"

71 darthstar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:52:24am

re: #63 EmmmieG

It was actually my daughter who wanted it--mostly for the cool buttons. I told her about these keyboards:
[Link: steampunkworkshop.com...]

And now she has a want.

Now I have a want.

72 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:53:18am

re: #68 EmmmieG

That movie has given teenage boys something to shout whenever they feel bored, however.

Well, just a couple of days ago, I was in a house-rearranging mood, and I asked my husband what he would think about my moving my desk into the living room.

He said, "Keep it in the computer room. I like a more Spartan look for a living room."

I thought about Spartan living rooms. He said, "You're imagining a big hole in the middle of the floor that we can push people into, aren't you?"

I was.

73 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:54:21am

re: #38 SpaceJesus

fox news is running a series on "honor killings" looks like.

oddly timed?

Radical Islam in America is a very sexy media topic these days.
So no, not oddly timed at all.

74 DaddyG  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:54:35am

re: #69 Cato the Elder

Give a grrrl a keyboard, and she will write you a thank-you email.

Teach a grrrl how to make her own Steampunk keyboard, and she will support you in your old age.

In the future Steampunk will be passe. They will be into Siliconpunk by then.

75 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:54:51am

re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, just a couple of days ago, I was in a house-rearranging mood, and I asked my husband what he would think about my moving my desk into the living room.

He said, "Keep it in the computer room. I like a more Spartan look for a living room."

I thought about Spartan living rooms. He said, "You're imagining a big hole in the middle of the floor that we can push people into, aren't you?"

I was.

Or muscular men in red loincloths.

76 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:55:01am

re: #67 LudwigVanQuixote

You know, the "left" has been complaining about the human rights abuses by the Suadis and others since way, way long ago, back when they were told to shut up about it because dealing with such people was necessary realpolitik.

And Saudi Arabia is still our ally, and there are precious few GOP members who have suggested in any fashion that they should not be.

It isn't just the left that's apathetic on this. The source of this madness is Wahabism and other Muslim extremists; we are active trading partners at the least, and allies with most of the nations that export radical Islam.

77 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:55:10am

Birchers and Birthers and Nuts, OH MY!

78 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:55:36am

re: #74 DaddyG

In the future Steampunk will be passe. They will be into Siliconpunk by then.

Retro cellphones which weigh 8 lbs and are the size of a shoebox.

79 webevintage  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:56:04am

re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist


I thought about Spartan living rooms. He said, "You're imagining a big hole in the middle of the floor that we can push people into, aren't you?"

I was.

The perfect thing for unwanted guests.

80 DaddyG  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:56:17am

re: #76 Obdicut
The enemy of the enemy of my crude oil supplier is my friend.

81 DaddyG  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:57:09am

re: #78 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Retro cellphones which weigh 8 lbs and are the size of a shoebox.

Bluetooth devices that actually go on the outside of your head.

82 webevintage  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:57:36am

re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist

I thought about Spartan living rooms. He said, "You're imagining a big hole in the middle of the floor that we can push people into, aren't you?"

I was.

and where else would one keep their man eating tigers/cats if not the hole in the middle of the living room?

83 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:58:03am

re: #74 DaddyG

In the future Steampunk will be passe. They will be into Siliconpunk by then.

No way.

Have you ever handled, bought, owned, or sold the shit they turned out in the Steam Age?

I'm a collector.

The fascination of Steampunk is that you can unite, as the early industrialists did, the latest technology with craftsmanship that goes back thousands of years.

It will never die.

84 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:58:10am

re: #82 webevintage

and where else would one keep their man eating tigers/cats if not the hole in the middle of the living room?

Well, the den, of course.

85 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:00:03pm

re: #83 Cato the Elder

Rush (the band - not the radio entity) went steampunk on their latest tour...

86 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:00:15pm

re: #83 Cato the Elder

No way.

Have you ever handled, bought, owned, or sold the shit they turned out in the Steam Age?

I'm a collector.

The fascination of Steampunk is that you can unite, as the early industrialists did, the latest technology with craftsmanship that goes back thousands of years.

It will never die.

Uniting the beautiful with the functional is an eternal idea.

God does it all the time.

87 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:00:20pm

re: #51 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

I apologize for the crie de couer, but....

THE SPARTANS WORE ARMOR! THE SPARTANS DID NOT WEAR SPEEDOS INTO COMBAT!

While we are at it, the line of heavy infantry, the phalanx was the core of their military doctrine. The first thing we see them do is break their line...

While we are at it - NO ONE EVER MESSED WITH MRS. LEONIDAS!

But the thing that really gets me about hollywood epics is that they are constitutionally incapable of historical accuracy when it comes to the ancient world. I do not understand the lunacy that makes them think that they can improve upon the actual events to make a "better" story.

I do not understand the lunacy that makes them think that insulting our intelligence is somehow acceptable. I mean, do you think that a former Roman general turned gladiator gets to publicly mouth off at the emperor who tried to kill him - and then live for another hour of film? Really?

Or what about Spartacus - possibly the best Rome movie ever - but the Romans did not wear little red skirts, Spartacus did not have big hair, and far from everyone shouting "I am Spartacus" there was a split in his camp. One set wanted to plunder and the other escape. The plunder set was wiped out first. Further, Spartacus and his army made it all the way to the Alps. They could have crossed into freedom. That was his goal. However, his army didn't want to make the crossing and Spartacus could not abandon them. That was the real greatness of the man. He knew they would all die sooner or later, but he could not leave his men. However, apparently Kuprick thought such details would detract from the story.

Then don't even get me started on movies that have Egypt or Greeks in them...

88 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:00:33pm

Mark Williams Is Back In The Tea Party


Well, that didn't take long. Less than three weeks after resigning from the Tea Party Express "to free the tea party movement from any more distraction based on my personal comments or blogs," Mark Williams is back at the helm of a tea party group.

As former TPMer Zachary Roth reports, Williams is a leader of the newly-founded "Citizens for Constitutional Liberty," a PAC "that plans to support conservative candidates and promote grassroots activism among Tea Partiers."

89 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:01:19pm

re: #67 LudwigVanQuixote

Because the propagandists at Fox are the ones covering the story though, people in the middle and the left will dismiss the realities of honor killings and the horrs behind them. Because the MSM doesn't look into such things, people who watch Fox, have something true and horrible to point to when they claim that lefties ignore the realities.

In both cases, the hand wringing and jingoism of Fox coupled with the apathy of the left brig no real recognition of a serious issue.

People on the left don't watch Fox, do they?
Fox is right to report on honour killings and deserve kudos for doing so...unless they attempt to portray all Muslims as perpetrators or as being otherwise complicit.

90 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:01:41pm

re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, just a couple of days ago, I was in a house-rearranging mood, and I asked my husband what he would think about my moving my desk into the living room.

He said, "Keep it in the computer room. I like a more Spartan look for a living room."

I thought about Spartan living rooms. He said, "You're imagining a big hole in the middle of the floor that we can push people into, aren't you?"

I was.

the hard part isn't the death hole, the hard part is a SELF-CLEANING death hole. that's why the Spartans kept theirs outside...it can get a bit gamey in close quarters after the 4th or 5th body, apparently...

91 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:02:40pm

re: #87 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

I apologize for the crie de couer, but...

THE SPARTANS WORE ARMOR! THE SPARTANS DID NOT WEAR SPEEDOS INTO COMBAT!

While we are at it, the line of heavy infantry, the phalanx was the core of their military doctrine. The first thing we see them do is break their line...

While we are at it - NO ONE EVER MESSED WITH MRS. LEONIDAS!

But the thing that really gets me about hollywood epics is that they are constitutionally incapable of historical accuracy when it comes to the ancient world. I do not understand the lunacy that makes them think that they can improve upon the actual events to make a "better" story.

I do not understand the lunacy that makes them think that insulting our intelligence is somehow acceptable. I mean, do you think that a former Roman general turned gladiator gets to publicly mouth off at the emperor who tried to kill him - and then live for another hour of film? Really?

Or what about Spartacus - possibly the best Rome movie ever - but the Romans did not wear little red skirts, Spartacus did not have big hair, and far from everyone shouting "I am Spartacus" there was a split in his camp. One set wanted to plunder and the other escape. The plunder set was wiped out first. Further, Spartacus and his army made it all the way to the Alps. They could have crossed into freedom. That was his goal. However, his army didn't want to make the crossing and Spartacus could not abandon them. That was the real greatness of the man. He knew they would all die sooner or later, but he could not leave his men. However, apparently Kuprick thought such details would detract from the story.

Then don't even get me started on movies that have Egypt or Greeks in them...

So you're trying to tell me that Yul Brenner might have been less than historically accurate in his role as the Pharoah?

92 webevintage  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:02:40pm

re: #89 Spare O'Lake

People on the left don't watch Fox, do they?


I do, but only when Shep is on.

93 researchok  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:03:07pm

re: #67 LudwigVanQuixote

Because the propagandists at Fox are the ones covering the story though, people in the middle and the left will dismiss the realities of honor killings and the horrs behind them. Because the MSM doesn't look into such things, people who watch Fox, have something true and horrible to point to when they claim that lefties ignore the realities.

In both cases, the hand wringing and jingoism of Fox coupled with the apathy of the left brig no real recognition of a serious issue.

Well said.

Still, there is more than apathy. There is a real cognitive redefinition going on here. Far too many on the left refuse to even mildly criticize anything Arab or Islamic. Those nations/cultures are regarded as 'elevated' and morally superior. All criticisms are verboten. Thus, any and all critics are regarded as 'evil'.

This kind of idealization( used in the psychological sense) is at best, dangerous.

If the ugly and violent parts of those cultures are redefined as 'not so bad', then our efforts to confront them are 'not so good'.

94 DaddyG  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:03:59pm

re: #83 Cato the Elder

No way.

Have you ever handled, bought, owned, or sold the shit they turned out in the Steam Age?

I'm a collector.

The fascination of Steampunk is that you can unite, as the early industrialists did, the latest technology with craftsmanship that goes back thousands of years.

It will never die.

I was kidding. I really do like the steampunk and dieselpunk stuff. We have lots of antique furnishings including a few work tools. My g-g-grandfather was a blacksmith and carpenter so a lot of the stuff was his. Two of my favorite pieces are the pump organ and the sharpening wheel (looks like a stationary bike with a large sharpening stone). When I want to sharpen my woods tools I take it out to the front porch and ride while I sharpen my ax, hatchet, mower blades, etc. It really gets me some curious looks.

If I could have my fantasy car it would be a 1930s Marmon V16 or Duesenburg limo.

95 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:04:05pm

re: #76 Obdicut

You know, the "left" has been complaining about the human rights abuses by the Suadis and others since way, way long ago, back when they were told to shut up about it because dealing with such people was necessary realpolitik.

And Saudi Arabia is still our ally, and there are precious few GOP members who have suggested in any fashion that they should not be.

It isn't just the left that's apathetic on this. The source of this madness is Wahabism and other Muslim extremists; we are active trading partners at the least, and allies with most of the nations that export radical Islam.

I can't disagree with any of that, however there is bringing realities to the attention of people and making a passing mention.

You will not find me ever excusing the right for the crocodile tears they shed over our friends the Saudis and you will certainly never see me defend oil dependence.

On the other hand, the fact that they very barbarism of the Saudis and the Wahhabists is played down is one of the reasons that people get away with so much moral ambiguity with regards to both oil and the middle east.

96 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:04:08pm

re: #76 Obdicut

You know, the "left" has been complaining about the human rights abuses by the Suadis and others since way, way long ago, back when they were told to shut up about it because dealing with such people was necessary realpolitik.

And Saudi Arabia is still our ally, and there are precious few GOP members who have suggested in any fashion that they should not be.

It isn't just the left that's apathetic on this. The source of this madness is Wahabism and other Muslim extremists; we are active trading partners at the least, and allies with most of the nations that export radical Islam.

Absolutely correct. America is not only addicted to their oil but has to a great extent also gotten into bed with a lot of them.

97 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:04:42pm

re: #90 Aceofwhat?

the hard part isn't the death hole, the hard part is a SELF-CLEANING death hole. that's why the Spartans kept theirs outside...it can get a bit gamey in close quarters after the 4th or 5th body, apparently...

A little lye, some oil, little fire, its a chore

98 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:04:58pm

re: #93 researchok

Well said.

Still, there is more than apathy. There is a real cognitive redefinition going on here. Far too many on the left refuse to even mildly criticize anything Arab or Islamic.

I've never met any person on the 'left' who is unwilling to criticize aspects of Islam, or Arabs, for that matter.

Can you name such a person?

99 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:05:11pm

re: #89 Spare O'Lake

unless they attempt to portray all Muslims as perpetrators or as being otherwise complicit.

Which you know is exactly what Fox will try to do.

100 DaddyG  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:05:28pm

re: #87 LudwigVanQuixote
Imagine how I feel about "Big Love". At least "Paint Your Wagon" had a sense of humor about the Mormon Polygamists.

101 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:05:31pm

re: #96 Spare O'Lake

Absolutely correct. America is not only addicted to their oil but has to a great extent also gotten into bed with a lot of them.

Not just America, either. Everyone who profits from the oil economy is an enabler of Islamic extremism.

102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:05:39pm

re: #85 lawhawk

Rush (the band - not the radio entity) went steampunk on their latest tour...

Wasn't that tour sponsored by "The Scooter Store"?

103 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:06:45pm

re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No.... that's the Rolling Stones....

104 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:06:49pm

re: #97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A little lye, some oil, little fire, its a chore

Or Mr. Wolf.

105 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:07:09pm

re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Have you made up your mind yet on Dinner For Schmucks?

Like,, No Like ???

106 DaddyG  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:07:19pm

re: #101 Obdicut

Not just America, either. Everyone who profits from the oil economy is an enabler of Islamic extremism.


I'm innocent then. I just go into debt for the oil economy. /

107 researchok  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:07:43pm

re: #98 Obdicut

I've never met any person on the 'left' who is unwilling to criticize aspects of Islam, or Arabs, for that matter.

Can you name such a person?

Well, how about Samantha Powers? She has embraced Bashir's rule in Sudan, despite his indictments by the World Court.

Beyond that, how is possible that Israel/Palestine is an obsession for so many despite the hundreds of thousands of dead and more hundreds of thousands raped in the Congo, Sierra Leonne, etc.

108 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:07:59pm

re: #100 DaddyG

Imagine how I feel about "Big Love". At least "Paint Your Wagon" had a sense of humor about the Mormon Polygamists.


Ever seen the movie Chicago? Ever done the math on the "Mormon" dude mentioned in the cellblock tango song?

It's like 1930, and real Mormons stopped doing polygamy in the 1890's. Now, this guy is supposed to have six wives, which was pretty rare, and usually someone was in his 50's if he ever got to that point.

She killed a 90 year old.

109 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:08:08pm

re: #101 Obdicut

Not just America, either. Everyone who profits from the oil economy is an enabler of Islamic extremism.

Amen to that.

110 DaddyG  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:08:23pm

Cato got me wondering... Who here has a serious Jones for antique tools?

111 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:08:29pm

re: #105 sattv4u2

Have you made up your mind yet on Dinner For Schmucks?

Like,, No Like ???

Thinking I might go see "The Other Guys" this weekend.

112 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:08:59pm

re: #110 DaddyG

Cato got me wondering... Who here has a serious Jones for antique tools?


I have a rock I use to bang things at times ,, does that count !??!

113 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:09:07pm

re: #104 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Or Mr. Wolf.

pretty please...with sugar on top...clean the fucking car/

114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:09:19pm

re: #105 sattv4u2

Have you made up your mind yet on Dinner For Schmucks?

Like,, No Like ???

Liked it. Don't love it, but, liked it a lot.

Saw "The Other Guys" today, tho... much preferred it. Hysterical.

Timing just hasn't been right for Inception.

115 DaddyG  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:09:28pm

re: #108 EmmmieG

Ever seen the movie Chicago? Ever done the math on the "Mormon" dude mentioned in the cellblock tango song?

It's like 1930, and real Mormons stopped doing polygamy in the 1890's. Now, this guy is supposed to have six wives, which was pretty rare, and usually someone was in his 50's if he ever got to that point.

She killed a 90 year old.


I always figured he was from Hurricane, UT.

116 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:09:30pm

re: #111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thinking I might go see "The Other Guys" this weekend.

FVB said he went to see Dinner For and couldn't decide whether he liked it or not

117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:09:55pm

re: #110 DaddyG

Who here has a serious Jones for antique tools?

Soros?

118 DaddyG  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:10:08pm

re: #112 sattv4u2

I have a rock I use to bang things at times ,, does that count !??!


No. The technology has to be older than you are. /

119 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:10:23pm

re: #110 DaddyG

Cato got me wondering... Who here has a serious Jones for antique tools?

Me.

120 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:10:42pm

re: #108 EmmmieG

Ever seen the movie Chicago? Ever done the math on the "Mormon" dude mentioned in the cellblock tango song?

It's like 1930, and real Mormons stopped doing polygamy in the 1890's. Now, this guy is supposed to have six wives, which was pretty rare, and usually someone was in his 50's if he ever got to that point.

She killed a 90 year old.

I assumed it was a joke, that he was a 'travelling bigamist' from Salt Lake City, and she simply blamed it on his being a Mormon.

121 JamesWI  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:10:59pm

OT (since the John Stewart/Prop 8 thread is pretty much dead)

The most common analogy that gay marriage supporters use is usually the case of interracial marriage. However, opponents of gay marriage almost immediately shut down when faced with this, because in most of their minds, being gay is at least somewhat of a choice, while one cannot choose to stop being black. (Apparently to these people, a gay man who does not have sex with men isn't really a homosexual. I wonder, if they consider straight virgins/celibates to be "not really straight. So, I've come up with a thought experiment for those people who consider Judge Walker's ruling a case "an unelected ruling class overriding the will of the people" ala Sarah Palin in that Daily Show clip:

State X passes a law which defines marriage as only being between two opposite sex people of the same faith (or in the case of athiests/agnostics, non-faith). If an inter-faith couple wishes to get married, one spouse must convert to the other's faith and renounce their old religion

First amendment argument for supporters of the inter-faith marriage ban: We're not preventing anyone from the free exercise of their religion. You just can't marry a person of another faith unless one of you converts. (Analogous to the argument of opponents of gay marriage that they are not really anti-gay - "We're not saying there's anything wrong with being gay, and you can continue to engage in homosexual activity as much as you want. You just can't marry another person of the same sex.

Equal Protection Argument - We're not denying any members of any religion the ability to get married. They just have to find someone in their own faith, or have one partner agree to convert to the other's religion. (Analogous to the ridiculous argument: "Gay people can still get married, they just have to marry someone of the opposite sex.

Other arguments? Tradition - historically, marriages were between people of the same faith. In long periods of history, a person of another faith would face death for being a heretic, so it's not like you could marry them. And to this day, many people convert to the religion of their spouse to marry them.

Protecting the marriage/children: Theoretically, a couple who differ on the core fundamental beliefs that shape their worldview would be more likely to fight/split up than one that agrees. As for the children, it would be better if they were not confused by having two different religions, in the house, wondering which parent is going to hell, having to go to two different churches/mosques/etc.

People certainly switch religions much more frequently than switching sexual orientations. So, to opponents of gay marriage who consider Walker's decision as "unjustly overriding the will of the people," would you say the same thing about the courts overturing the inter-faith marriage ban of State X? Why or why not?

122 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:11:03pm

re: #111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thinking I might go see "The Other Guys" this weekend.

If you like Ferrell, you'll love it.

Marky Mark was funny as hell.

123 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:11:25pm

As long as we're talking movies,

Grenades do not explode in a ball of fire.
Automatic weapons run out of ammo.
Talking shit to a superior officer means you're getting court martialed, not being but in charge of a dangerous mission behind enemy lines.

124 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:11:32pm

re: #118 DaddyG

No. The technology has to be older than you are. /

ouch

that was just mean! (albeit, true!!!)

125 researchok  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:11:37pm

re: #119 Cato the Elder

Me.

I know where there is a stash of just those objects. There is an antique/junk shop in Hillsborough NC chock full of that stuff.

126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:13:10pm

re: #123 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And... There's no sex in the Champagne Room.

127 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:13:34pm

re: #110 DaddyG

Cato got me wondering... Who here has a serious Jones for antique tools?

Funny you mention that. I was going through the lab the other day and found some still functioning equipment from the turn of the last century. It was nothing fancy -just a volt meter - however, it was absolutely solid, encased in polished and perfectly fit hardwood and simply charming looking.

I love that stuff.

128 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:14:36pm

re: #122 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If you like Ferrell, you'll love it.

Marky Mark was funny as hell.

Mark Wahlberg is not a bad actor. He's a very likable actor on screen.

129 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:14:41pm

I loved Alvin Lipschitz more than I can possibly say. He was a real artistic guy...sensitive... a painter. But he was always trying to find himself. He'd go out every night looking for himself and on the way he found Ruth, Gladys, Rosemary and Irving. I guess you can say we broke up because of artistic differences. He saw himself as alive and I saw him dead.

130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:15:16pm

re: #128 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Scared the crap out of me in the movie "Fear".

Amazingly sympathetic in Boogie Nights.

131 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:15:39pm

re: #101 Obdicut

Not just America, either. Everyone who profits from the oil economy is an enabler of Islamic extremism.

America should import all its foreign oil from Canada - heck, we're already in bed with eachother anyways.

132 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:17:31pm

re: #130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Scared the crap out of me in the movie "Fear".

Amazingly sympathetic in Boogie Nights.

I liked him in The Big Hit.

133 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:17:49pm

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

Youtube Video
134 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:18:01pm

re: #123 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

As long as we're talking movies,

Grenades do not explode in a ball of fire.
Automatic weapons run out of ammo.
Talking shit to a superior officer means you're getting court martialed, not being but in charge of a dangerous mission behind enemy lines.

That last part doesn't count when you're putting together an entire unit of misfits already court martialed. (see Dozen, The Dirty).

Other movie cliches that simply aren't true:
Guns using silencers aren't silent and they certainly don't make that distinctive twap sound.
Getting shot by a bullet doesn't mean you get flung 20 feet through a plate glass window.

135 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:18:11pm

re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist

I assumed it was a joke, that he was a 'travelling bigamist' from Salt Lake City, and she simply blamed it on his being a Mormon.

Raw nerve for me.

136 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:18:25pm

re: #131 Spare O'Lake

America should import all its foreign oil from Canada - heck, we're already in bed with eachother anyways.

That would mean dismantling the oil markets as they exist. And we do get most of our oil from Canada anyway.

137 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:18:25pm

re: #107 researchok

Huh. Here's Samantha Powers rejecting the idea that suicide bombers who try to kill civilians are equivalent to the US military using cluster bombs against terrorists, making it clear that the Islamic radicals are corrupt and evil.

But if you continue to believe (as I do) that there is a moral difference between setting out to destroy as many civilians as possible and killing civilians unintentionally and reluctantly in pursuit of a military objective, you will indeed find “On Suicide Bombing” disturbing, if not always in the way he intends.

Can you provide her showing support for Bashir? I can't find anything.

138 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:18:54pm

re: #136 LudwigVanQuixote

That would mean dismantling the oil markets as they exist. And we do get most of our oil from Canada anyway.

Well more from there than other places at least.

139 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:19:04pm

re: #126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Except when there was...

140 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:19:10pm

re: #115 DaddyG

I always figured he was from Hurricane, UT.

I knew people from Hurricane. (If you are from Utah, you say "Her-ih-cun")

I just can't remember who right now.

141 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:19:37pm

re: #131 Spare O'Lake

America should import all its foreign oil from Canada - heck, we're already in bed with eachother anyways.

That would make zero difference whatsoever, since oil is fungible.

142 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:19:55pm

re: #140 EmmmieG

I knew people from Hurricane. (If you are from Utah, you say "Her-ih-cun")

I just can't remember who right now.

Emphasis on the "Her"

143 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:20:07pm

re: #135 EmmmieG

Raw nerve for me.

Understandable.

144 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:20:08pm

Next, we'll learn how you say "Tooele."

145 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:20:20pm

re: #134 lawhawk

That last part doesn't count when you're putting together an entire unit of misfits already court martialed. (see Dozen, The Dirty).

True, but thats the premise of the story. In other military movies though...

Lets just say Maverick's ass would have been pushing paper around a shithole desk job long before he got a chance to go to Miramar.

146 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:20:50pm

re: #134 lawhawk

Not being updated anymore, but really funny:

NSULTINGLY STUPID MOVIE PHYSICS

147 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:21:02pm

re: #144 EmmmieG

Next, we'll learn how you say "Tooele."

Lemme guess. Like "twelve" without the "v"?

148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:21:53pm

re: #133 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By the way... SFZ... Did those chicks need a sammich or what?

149 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:22:55pm

re: #144 EmmmieG

Next, we'll learn how you say "Tooele."

Or Mantua, OH

(man-too-way)

150 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:23:20pm

re: #139 lawhawk

Well... some young man's dreams were not crushed....

151 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:23:30pm

re: #147 wrenchwench

Lemme guess. Like "twelve" without the "v"?


Close. "To-will-a."

152 researchok  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:23:36pm

re: #137 Obdicut

Huh. Here's Samantha Powers rejecting the idea that suicide bombers who try to kill civilians are equivalent to the US military using cluster bombs against terrorists, making it clear that the Islamic radicals are corrupt and evil.

Can you provide her showing support for Bashir? I can't find anything.

So she speaks with forked tongue- which in her defense, is nothing new for a politician. She is the administration point person on the issue, at the SD and the UN.

Further, more than anything it is a matter of priorities- and no administration as of late has clean hands.

See this.

153 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:24:08pm

re: #86 EmmmieG

Uniting the beautiful with the functional is an eternal idea.

God does it all the time.

Case in point: the Jindo.

Compact (under 45 lbs.). Resilient. Smart (recognizes up to 3,500 individuals and will only bark if you're not one of them). Fierce (will kill rats, bear, deer, bugs, or thugs, without being asked). Loyal (will cross an entire country and swim a sound to be reunited with a lost master). Cute (goes without saying).

And, if you catch one in the right light, the eyes go green (a sign of great antiquity as a breed, most dogs' eyes go red, like people's).

154 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:24:29pm

re: #146 Obdicut

Not being updated anymore, but really funny:

NSULTINGLY STUPID MOVIE PHYSICS

My least fav movie for that was Mission to Mars - which was touted as having NASA support and such.

Ahhh yes, in space, momentum was not conserved, M&Ms not only defied gravity and became a double helix, but was recognizable as distinctly human DNA by eye - and the woojy we love you nice space aliens were there in all their new age glory.

Some friends argue that the Core was the worst ever. I can see their points. It is a tough, tough call.

I still give the nod to Mission to Mars because the actual movie also moved along at a glacial pace.

155 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:24:59pm

re: #136 LudwigVanQuixote

That would mean dismantling the oil markets as they exist. And we do get most of our oil from Canada anyway.

We've got all you want, if you'll just come up here and help us with the carbon recapture thing. Then you can finally tell the ME petrofascists to go shove it and they can sell their oil to someone else.

156 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:25:05pm

re: #148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By the way... SFZ... Did those chicks need a sammich or what?

Aside from Mama Morton...

157 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:25:18pm

re: #149 Aceofwhat?

Or Mantua, OH

(man-too-way)

How about "Des Plaines" (IL).

Hint. Not like it came from the French or something....

158 researchok  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:25:43pm

re: #136 LudwigVanQuixote

That would mean dismantling the oil markets as they exist. And we do get most of our oil from Canada anyway.

Which proves there is a God.

Can you imagine what it would be like if our principal oil supplier were Mexico or Venezuela?

159 webevintage  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:25:59pm

re: #153 Cato the Elder

Case in point: the Jindo.

That is one fine looking dog...

160 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:26:40pm

re: #155 Spare O'Lake

We've got all you want, if you'll just come up here and help us with the carbon recapture thing. Then you can finally tell the ME petrofascists to go shove it and they can sell their oil to someone else.

Or we could build nuclear solar and wind along with smart grids and not worry about the physical impossibility of burning oil and getting all the carbon. Also, "all we want" would not last much more than a few decades anyway.

161 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:26:45pm

re: #152 researchok

Dude, seriously, the article you linked doesn't mention Samantha Powers at all. It's about Scott Gration.


Can you provide proof for your contention that Powers supports Bashir?

Can you acknowledge Powers' remarks about suicide bombing are an indictment of Islamic terrorism?

162 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:26:46pm

re: #141 Obdicut

That would make zero difference whatsoever, since oil is fungible.

Oil is fungible but at least the ME petrofascists wouldn't have the influence in Washington that they now enjoy.

163 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:27:26pm

re: #158 researchok

Can you imagine what it would be like if our principal oil supplier were Mexico or Venezuela?

Pretty much no different, since oil is fungible.

164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:27:38pm

re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist

Aside from Mama Morton...

What is attractive about being able to count a woman's ribs?

I'll never understand that.

165 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:28:00pm

re: #162 Spare O'Lake

Oil is fungible but at least the ME petrofascists wouldn't have the influence in Washington that they now enjoy.

Sure they would. They could still alter the world price of oil. That's what matters, not whether the particular barrel you're using was pumped out of the ground at place X or place Y.

166 researchok  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:28:01pm

re: #161 Obdicut

Dude, seriously, the article you linked doesn't mention Samantha Powers at all. It's about Scott Gration.

Can you provide proof for your contention that Powers supports Bashir?

Can you acknowledge Powers' remarks about suicide bombing are an indictment of Islamic terrorism?

Yes, I know.

My point is that Powers is the administration point person on this. She is responsible for policy as it regards to Africa.

167 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:28:48pm

re: #157 wrenchwench

How about "Des Plaines" (IL).

Hint. Not like it came from the French or something...

Like 'Baton Rouge' and the Tetons.

We have a lot of French place names in the US which we determinedly pronounce the way we want to pronounce them.

Our accent is probably just as bad on the Indian place names, but there it is.

There's a street in San Francisco called Arguello. That's ar-GWELL-o. On Cabrillo Street, we split, some locals say "Ca-BREE-yo" and others "Ca-BRILL-o")

The rabbi of the Sephardic synagogue off Geary Boulevard, however, says "Ca-BREEL-yo".

168 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:29:11pm

For those curious here is the breakdown of where we get out oil from:

[Link: tonto.eia.doe.gov...]

169 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:29:32pm

re: #164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What is attractive about being able to count a woman's ribs?

I'll never understand that.

Eh, skinny is fashionable.

170 researchok  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:29:36pm

re: #163 Obdicut

Pretty much no different, since oil is fungible.

True- but a nice steady supply from Canada makes 'fungible' more conceptual.

Now, gimme an idea for dinner tonight, say a chicken dish.

171 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:29:43pm

re: #160 LudwigVanQuixote

Or we could build nuclear solar and wind along with smart grids and not worry about the physical impossibility of burning oil and getting all the carbon. Also, "all we want" would not last much more than a few decades anyway.

At the rate you folks are going it's gonna be several decades AT LEAST before you get your alternate sources approved, built and in gear.

172 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:29:50pm

re: #165 Obdicut

And even if we found an alternative source of energy to replace oil, we'd still be relying quite heavily on petrochemicals because we'd have to find alternatives for lubrication and all the other kinds of products that rely on oil and its derivatives.

173 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:30:25pm

re: #168 LudwigVanQuixote

For those curious here is the breakdown of where we get out oil from:

[Link: tonto.eia.doe.gov...]

being of Mediterranean decent, I get most of mine from my hair!

174 researchok  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:30:42pm

re: #167 SanFranciscoZionist

Like 'Baton Rouge' and the Tetons.

We have a lot of French place names in the US which we determinedly pronounce the way we want to pronounce them.

Our accent is probably just as bad on the Indian place names, but there it is.

There's a street in San Francisco called Arguello. That's ar-GWELL-o. On Cabrillo Street, we split, some locals say "Ca-BREE-yo" and others "Ca-BRILL-o")

The rabbi of the Sephardic synagogue off Geary Boulevard, however, says "Ca-BREEL-yo".

Booreetoe.

Showoff. I know Spanish, too.

175 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:31:43pm

re: #171 Spare O'Lake

At the rate you folks are going it's gonna be several decades AT LEAST before you get your alternate sources approved, built and in gear.

Which is the real issue.

We have about a decade to seriously start the process. If we take 30 years to do something 30 years from now, it will much too little much too late.

176 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:32:15pm

The anatomy of a military birther.

I hope they throw the book at him. He should know better than to disobey lawful orders.

177 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:32:24pm

re: #174 researchok

Booreetoe.

Showoff. I know Spanish, too.

Lawss AN-je-less.

178 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:32:36pm

re: #167 SanFranciscoZionist

Some friends moved to Reno, and the one who got a job with the state was instructed not to pronounce Nevada the Spanish way, which was difficult for him because he grew up in a Spanish-speaking home.

179 Kronocide  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:32:45pm

I might have to change my party registration to exGOP.

Next Hawaii ballot will be me wanting to vote for the GOP candidate out of habit but wondering if the GOP candidate is a nutter or not.

180 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:33:27pm

re: #167 SanFranciscoZionist

About those Grand Tetons. Nice tits. They're real... and they're spectacular.

181 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:33:31pm

re: #169 SanFranciscoZionist

Eh, skinny is fashionable.

My mother wrote a college paper looking at art thru the ages, where in times and cultures experience times of plenty, a slimmer figure was held as beautiful, but in eras of poverty and famine, larger figures became more common in art.

She reasoned in hard times, being larger meant one would be considered more well off, more access to resources, and would be held as more desirable in general.

I'll have to see if she still has that lying around somewhere.

182 DaddyG  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:34:07pm

re: #173 sattv4u2

being of Mediterranean decent, I get most of mine from my hair!

Don't we still import a lot of oil from Texas?

/if you think I need it.

183 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:34:09pm

re: #166 researchok

Yes, I know.

My point is that Powers is the administration point person on this. She is responsible for policy as it regards to Africa.

Okay. So your contention she supports Bashir is a statement by an entirely different person who was a special envoy appointed by Obama, but apparently Powers is really in charge.

She's Director for Multilateral Affairs. Does/did Gration report to her?

Can you acknowledge her statement about suicide bombing is an incitement of the tactics of Islamic terrorism?

184 researchok  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:34:13pm

re: #177 SanFranciscoZionist

Lawss AN-je-less.

I met Gwadaloopay from Gwadalhara.

Meegoostah!

185 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:34:14pm

re: #176 lawhawk

Dumbass.

186 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:34:19pm

re: #178 wrenchwench

Some friends moved to Reno, and the one who got a job with the state was instructed not to pronounce Nevada the Spanish way, which was difficult for him because he grew up in a Spanish-speaking home.

Oy.

There's a novel called "The Devil, Delphina Varela, and the Used Chevy", which includes a scene where the elderly lady has been kidnapped by a criminal who keeps talking about going to Sacramento, and she keeps patiently correcting his pronunciation.

187 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:34:35pm

re: #177 SanFranciscoZionist

Lawss AN-je-less.

Mayor Sam Yorty would say "Loss Angle-Iss"

188 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:35:02pm

re: #172 lawhawk

And even if we found an alternative source of energy to replace oil, we'd still be relying quite heavily on petrochemicals because we'd have to find alternatives for lubrication and all the other kinds of products that rely on oil and its derivatives.

That may be true, but processes that don't burn it are not the issue.

Further, we certainly have found alternative sources of energy. They certainly have been shown effective and even make sense economically to build.

Nuclear power is real, so is wind and so is solar. There is absolutely no physical reason that we could not deploy those as our sources of energy.

In fact, just looking at physics and the cost of the bailout - there is no reason we could not have had this nation almost entire shifted over to those sources of energy in five years.

This issue is fear greed and nimby. But mostly is is the choke hold that the fossil fuel industry has on America.

189 Interesting Times  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:36:19pm

re: #181 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

She reasoned in hard times, being larger meant one would be considered more well off, more access to resources, and would be held as more desirable in general.

I've heard this theory before, and it's interesting how modern American lifestyle/diet has turned it on its head - here, it's the poor who are overweight, while the rich (esp. celebrities) are slim and trim.

190 DaddyG  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:36:22pm

utwhey rye uye alkingte boutate?

191 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:36:27pm

When Renee Zellweger had to gain wait for Bridget Jones, she made the stunning observation that to gain weight, you had to eat not just one doughnut, but the whole box.

Yes, sweetie the rest of us know this a little too well.

(Seriously, she thought people gained weight from eating one pastry a day. Oy.)

192 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:36:52pm

Its a well known fact that San Diego, named by the Germans who discovered it in 1904, means "Whale's Vagina"

193 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:37:16pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

Mayor Sam Yorty would say "Loss Angle-Iss"

That's more old-fashioned. Earlier on, Anglos would say "Los An-guh-leez" with a hard g, trying harder to imitate the Spanish pronunciation.

At some point the soft g became more usual.

/Yes, I did my BA thesis on political culture in Mexican California.

194 Kronocide  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:37:35pm

This is rich: Massive Censorship Of Digg Uncovered

A group of influential conservative members of the behemoth social media site Digg.com have just been caught red-handed in a widespread campaign of censorship, having multiple accounts, upvote padding, and deliberately trying to ban progressives. An undercover investigation has exposed this effort, which has been in action for more than one year.

I thought Digg was a cesspool of leftist zealots that got taken over by a ring of right wing zealots. Now there's proof of a conspiracy.

195 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:38:20pm

re: #88 Killgore Trout

Mark Williams Is Back In The Tea Party

Sheesh.

"While I find many of his comments distasteful and do not condone those sorts of messages, it is not my right to take away his Free Speech guaranteed by our First Amendment," writes Mandy Morello, one of the group's founders. "After all The Tea Party is not to pick and choose one's interpretation of these Amendments to suit ones personal opinion."

"He's just our spokesperson. We can't control what he says."

196 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:38:21pm

re: #170 researchok

True- but a nice steady supply from Canada makes 'fungible' more conceptual.

No it doesn't. Fungible is fungible. The Middle East would still profit. It is the rate of consumption of oil that matters, not where we get it from.


Now, gimme an idea for dinner tonight, say a chicken dish.

Chicken adobo:

Get a bunch of garlic (two large clove) and brown in large pot/deep saucepan, using olive or canola oil. Keeping garlic in pot, sear some chicken thighs in the garlic mixture with some cayenne, cumin, and coriander (toasted, preferably). Add to pot a cup of rice vinegar, a little sriracha, a few red chillies, a little molasses, and a half tablespoon of vanilla. Then add soy sauce until thighs are half-covered.

Cook with mixture simmering, turning once, or twice, for about an hour.

Goes great with brown rice-- skim fat from the sauce you've soaked it in and you can use it to moisten the rice.

197 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:38:31pm

re: #165 Obdicut

Sure they would. They could still alter the world price of oil. That's what matters, not whether the particular barrel you're using was pumped out of the ground at place X or place Y.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you one of the lizards who a while back argued strenuously that the Saudis and even OPEC do NOT control the price of oil?
Besides, if you don't buy your oil from them, then you won't need to kow tow to them any more. Just run some more pipelines up here and we'll fill'em for you.

198 DaddyG  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:38:40pm

re: #192 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its a well known fact that San Diego, named by the Germans who discovered it in 1904, means "Whale's Vagina"


Cliff Clavin Quotes

Cheers!

199 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:38:58pm

re: #191 EmmmieG

When Renee Zellweger had to gain wait for Bridget Jones, she made the stunning observation that to gain weight, you had to eat not just one doughnut, but the whole box.

Yes, sweetie the rest of us know this a little too well.

(Seriously, she thought people gained weight from eating one pastry a day. Oy.)

I never understood why they were so obsessed with making her chubby. The character weighs 130 pounds through the entire series, except for the part where she goes to prison in Thailand. She's not a big girl.

200 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:39:35pm

re: #189 publicityStunted

I've heard this theory before, and it's interesting how modern American lifestyle/diet has turned it on its head - here, it's the poor who are overweight, while the rich (esp. celebrities) are slim and trim.

But are we in a time of plenty or famine? And look at the various medical and drug treatments and plans used to achieve those looks and the costs associated.

201 researchok  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:40:05pm

re: #183 Obdicut

Okay. So your contention she supports Bashir is a statement by an entirely different person who was a special envoy appointed by Obama, but apparently Powers is really in charge.

She's Director for Multilateral Affairs. Does/did Gration report to her?

Can you acknowledge her statement about suicide bombing is an incitement of the tactics of Islamic terrorism?

Are you seriously contending that our Africa policy is being directed by someone other that at the SD or WH?

Again, her statement re suicide bombing is no more than pro forma. Who in their right mind would come out with a statement that supported suicide bombings? The question is why aren't we hearing about Sudan, Congo, Sierra Leonne, etc?

See this and this.

202 webevintage  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:40:26pm

re: #176 lawhawk

The anatomy of a military birther.

I hope they throw the book at him. He should know better than to disobey lawful orders.

Moron...

203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:40:33pm

re: #181 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"WHADDYA MEAN I CAN'T HAVE ANOTHER SLICE OF PIZZA! I HAVE A PORTRAIT SITTING WITHIN AN HOUR. IF I CAN'T SHOW HIM SOME FLAB, I'M HISTORY!"

204 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:40:39pm

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

/Yes, I did my BA thesis on political culture in Mexican California.

BA thesis? Glad that was not required of me. Good School?

205 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:40:45pm

re: #197 Spare O'Lake

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you one of the lizards who a while back argued strenuously that the Saudis and even OPEC do NOT control the price of oil?

No. Well, they don't control it, but they can affect it.

Besides, if you don't buy your oil from them, then you won't need to kow tow to them any more. Just run some more pipelines up here and we'll fill'em for you.

The US doesn't kowtow to Saudi Arabia. I'm not sure why you always have to be so hyperbolically insulting to the US. What's the point?

The price of oil depends on the supply of oil (and the supply of refineries) and the consumption of oil. If we get more oil from Canada but increase consumption, the net effect is to raise the price of oil, giving more money to the Middle East. If the Middle East, and OPEC, then, artificially restricts the outflow of oil, prices will rise even higher, since oil is fungible.

206 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:40:46pm

re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist

I never understood why they were so obsessed with making her chubby. The character weighs 130 pounds through the entire series, except for the part where she goes to prison in Thailand. She's not a big girl.

In Hollywood, 130 is fat, unless you are 6'5"

207 webevintage  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:41:02pm

re: #195 wrenchwench

"He's just our spokesperson. We can't control what he says."

But there are NO racist in the Tea party movement...none.
/

208 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:41:51pm

re: #181 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My mother wrote a college paper looking at art thru the ages, where in times and cultures experience times of plenty, a slimmer figure was held as beautiful, but in eras of poverty and famine, larger figures became more common in art.

She reasoned in hard times, being larger meant one would be considered more well off, more access to resources, and would be held as more desirable in general.

I'll have to see if she still has that lying around somewhere.

All very reasonable.

But I don't think any culture prior to ours has worshipped the death's-head skin-and-bonesness of anorexia as "beauty" the way ours does.

209 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:43:08pm

re: #175 LudwigVanQuixote

Which is the real issue.

We have about a decade to seriously start the process. If we take 30 years to do something 30 years from now, it will much too little much too late.

Okay, but let's not go where you are heading. It just seems to me that increasing your proportion of imports from Canada NOW should be a no brainer, and as and when you start to wean off of oil then you could cut the ME imports first.

210 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:43:09pm

re: #208 Cato the Elder

All very reasonable.

But I don't think any culture prior to ours has worshipped the death's-head skin-and-bonesness of anorexia as "beauty" the way ours does.

Greg Allman has lost some weight I see

211 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:44:21pm

re: #204 wrenchwench

BA thesis? Glad that was not required of me. Good School?

Mills College. Because I was a transfer, I had to do my thesis in the American History cycle, despite having focused on Early Modern Europe all the way through.

I went to the advisor and said, "Marianne, you know that class I took from you last semester on women in Colonial America? Yeah. That was the first class on American history I took since high school."

She said, "Well, consider that Europe and America are on the same planet."

Somehow I ended up with Mexican California.

212 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:44:29pm

re: #208 Cato the Elder

All very reasonable.

But I don't think any culture prior to ours has worshipped the death's-head skin-and-bonesness of anorexia as "beauty" the way ours does.

Dynastic China comes to mind, with the ritual feet binding. Then we have the corset era, where broken ribs and bruised organs were an everyday occurence for fashionable women.

213 researchok  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:44:51pm

re: #196 Obdicut

Chicken adobo:

Get a bunch of garlic (two large clove) and brown in large pot/deep saucepan, using olive or canola oil. Keeping garlic in pot, sear some chicken thighs in the garlic mixture with some cayenne, cumin, and coriander (toasted, preferably). Add to pot a cup of rice vinegar, a little sriracha, a few red chillies, a little molasses, and a half tablespoon of vanilla. Then add soy sauce until thighs are half-covered.

Cook with mixture simmering, turning once, or twice, for about an hour.

Goes great with brown rice-- skim fat from the sauce you've soaked it in and you can use it to moisten the rice.

That sounds excellent. I have everything but the sriracha (I don't have a clue what that is). My dinner dilemma is over. Thank you.

Now, as for fungability, you are right, of course. I should have been more clear.

If we were to import all our oil from Canada we would not have the same political worries we have now in dealing with Mexico and Venezuela. That is the sense I meant when I said fungible would be conceptual.

Feel free to beat or admonish me again.

214 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:45:30pm

re: #212 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dynastic China comes to mind, with the ritual feet binding. Then we have the corset era, where broken ribs and bruised organs were an everyday occurence for fashionable women.

Some women just had a rib removed. Seriously.

215 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:45:53pm

re: #213 researchok

Beat OR admonish? We can't do both?

216 researchok  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:46:04pm

re: #208 Cato the Elder

All very reasonable.

But I don't think any culture prior to ours has worshipped the death's-head skin-and-bonesness of anorexia as "beauty" the way ours does.

Isabella Rossellini.

No more need be said.

217 researchok  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:46:34pm

re: #215 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Beat OR admonish? We can't do both?

Hmmm...lots about you we don't know....

218 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:46:56pm

re: #216 researchok

Isabella Rossellini.

No more need be said.

Allow me to introduce her weirdest project ever.

219 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:47:10pm

re: #218 SanFranciscoZionist

Allow me to introduce her weirdest project ever.

Sorry, THIS.

220 researchok  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:48:48pm

re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorry, THIS.

I gotta get more cable.

221 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:49:10pm

re: #217 researchok

Hmmm...lots about you we don't know...

I am the ocean, full of life but with uncharted depths and terrible mysteries.

222 researchok  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:49:59pm

re: #221 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I am the ocean, full of life but with uncharted depths and terrible mysteries.

Ice cream and a beer will cure that.

223 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:51:10pm

re: #222 researchok

Ice cream and a beer will cure that.

I prefer beer and chocolate, together. Nothing like a Hershey bar and a ice cold beer at the same time.

224 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:51:34pm

re: #221 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I am the ocean, full of life but with uncharted depths and terrible mysteries.

I am the puddle, barely alive, shallow, and to tread through me is to find dirt and filth

225 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:51:43pm

re: #201 researchok

Are you seriously contending that our Africa policy is being directed by someone other that at the SD or WH?

I would assume Hilary Clinton would be the main architect of Africa Policy, being Sec of State and all.

You have not shown in any way that Powers supports Bashir. I have found quite a bit about Powers drawing attention to the genocide in Darfur.

Who in their right mind would come out with a statement that supported suicide bombings?

Apparently you're skipping over what she wrote. She specifically addressed a charge made by many critical of our efforts against terrorists that we're terrorists too, since we kill civilians during war. She's explicitly rejecting that sort of cultural relativism, and making it clear that the Muslim terrorists are the Bad Guys.

This is your one example of a person on the left, at it's not even successful. I suggest that you revisit your conception of the left as unwilling to criticize anything about Islam or Arabs and see if it matches reality, or is simply hyperbolic.

226 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:51:59pm

re: #205 Obdicut

Sometimes talking to you is like talking to a wall.
Your President has enunciated the goal of ending America's dependence on ME oil within 10 years. So just buy more of it elsewhere, like from Canada, and at the same time you can develop alternate energy sources.

227 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:52:33pm

re: #210 albusteve

Greg Allman has lost some weight I see

LOL. Though he did just have a liver transplant I understand.

228 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:52:45pm

re: #213 researchok

Oh, and skin the thighs! Save the skin for stock or something.

Unless you like wet chicken skin. I don't.

229 freetoken  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:53:23pm

re: #209 Spare O'Lake

Okay, but let's not go where you are heading. It just seems to me that increasing your proportion of imports from Canada NOW should be a no brainer, and as and when you start to wean off of oil then you could cut the ME imports first.

Well, we have no control over where oil was formed or collected.

The problem with imports from Canada is that growth would have to come from the tar sands. Even if we don't look at environmental effects, the process of expanding the tar mining-processing industry is a slow and methodical one. IOW, it's not a thing that can be just turned on.

OTOH, the KSA claims that they have several million barrels per day of spare capacity they could turn on if needed. And, they can produce oil at a fraction of the cost that it takes to convert Canadian tar into useful liquid products.

230 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:53:47pm

re: #226 Spare O'Lake

Sometimes talking to you is like talking to a wall.
Your President has enunciated the goal of ending America's dependence on ME oil within 10 years. So just buy more of it elsewhere, like from Canada, and at the same time you can develop alternate energy sources.

That's nice, Spare.

Everything I said still applies, and you haven't addressed it in the least.

It's good not to rely on Middle East oil for tactical and strategic reasons.

In terms of funding terrorism, it does fuck-all, since oil is fungible.

231 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:54:13pm

re: #225 Obdicut

Apparently you're skipping over what she wrote. She specifically addressed a charge made by many critical of our efforts against terrorists that we're terrorists too, since we kill civilians during war. She's explicitly rejecting that sort of cultural relativism, and making it clear that the Muslim terrorists are the Bad Guys.

This is your one example of a person on the left, at it's not even successful. I suggest that you revisit your conception of the left as unwilling to criticize anything about Islam or Arabs and see if it matches reality, or is simply hyperbolic.

I would say that there are such people on the 'left'. They do not, however, pop up in positions of responsibility working for the federal government.

232 researchok  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:54:18pm

re: #223 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I prefer beer and chocolate, together. Nothing like a Hershey bar and a ice cold beer at the same time.

Chocolate is dessert.

My beer tastes best with a burrito from SF. Sadly. I yet to receive the dozen from SFZ.

Until then, my beer comes with a half pound or better burger.

233 researchok  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:55:47pm

re: #228 Obdicut

Oh, and skin the thighs! Save the skin for stock or something.

Unless you like wet chicken skin. I don't.

Yeah, good idea.

I was going to BBQ but it's too hot. Bow, I want to try your recipe. It really sounds good.

234 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:56:04pm

re: #230 Obdicut

That's nice, Spare.

Everything I said still applies, and you haven't addressed it in the least.

It's good not to rely on Middle East oil for tactical and strategic reasons.

In terms of funding terrorism, it does fuck-all, since oil is fungible.

Fine. So now go ahead and deny that your dependence on ME oil is affecting your foreign policy. I give up.

235 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:56:18pm

re: #231 SanFranciscoZionist

I would say that there are such people on the 'left'. They do not, however, pop up in positions of responsibility working for the federal government.

Sure. They exist. But they're certainly not common. And talking about them ignores much more prominent people like Anthony Weiner, staunch critic of radical Islam and staunch supporter of Israel.

I get more fond of Weiner every day.

I seriously think he could be our first Jewish president.

I know, pipe dream.

236 avanti  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:56:43pm

"Geert Wilders to Speak at SIOA 911 Protest Against the Ground Zero Mega Mosque.


Wilders.

237 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:57:37pm

re: #232 researchok

Chocolate is dessert.

My beer tastes best with a burrito from SF. Sadly. I yet to receive the dozen from SFZ.

Until then, my beer comes with a half pound or better burger.

First you have a beer.

Then you have a beer with your beef.

Then later you have your beer with chocolate.

Dammit man, do I have to spell it all out for you?

238 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:57:38pm

re: #234 Spare O'Lake

Fine. So now go ahead and deny that your dependence on ME oil is affecting your foreign policy. I give up.

Of course it is. But it's our dependence on oil as a whole, far more than our dependence on Middle East oil. We want the Middle East to remain 'stable', even at the price of supporting theocracies like Saudi Arabia, not because the physical oil from their comes to us but because the oil from there goes on the global market and oil is fungible.

You apparently already gave up actually understanding what I'm saying.

239 palomino  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:57:56pm

OT: here's the kind of conservative outreach that will insure the gop does as well with gays as they currently do with blacks. Ann Coulter headlines gay Republican conference.

Keep on alienating all non-white non-heterosexuals, gop. It's a great way to build that permanent republican majority.
/

240 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:58:19pm

re: #235 Obdicut

I get more fond of Weiner every day.

Thats what she said.

241 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:59:42pm

re: #240 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thats what she said.

After she had the pipe dream.

242 palomino  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:00:13pm

re: #235 Obdicut

Sure. They exist. But they're certainly not common. And talking about them ignores much more prominent people like Anthony Weiner, staunch critic of radical Islam and staunch supporter of Israel.

I get more fond of Weiner every day.

I seriously think he could be our first Jewish president.

I know, pipe dream.

I love the guy too, but he's a NY liberal, which has too many negative connotations to Real Americans.

243 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:01:14pm

re: #238 Obdicut

Of course it is. But it's our dependence on oil as a whole, far more than our dependence on Middle East oil. We want the Middle East to remain 'stable', even at the price of supporting theocracies like Saudi Arabia, not because the physical oil from their comes to us but because the oil from there goes on the global market and oil is fungible.

You apparently already gave up actually understanding what I'm saying.

Ah, I get it. So you disagree with Obama's policy of ending US ME oil imports within 10 years...unless you can also end all use of oil within the same time frame.
Are you serious?

244 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:01:15pm

re: #238 Obdicut

Of course it is. But it's our dependence on oil as a whole, far more than our dependence on Middle East oil. We want the Middle East to remain 'stable', even at the price of supporting theocracies like Saudi Arabia, not because the physical oil from their comes to us but because the oil from there goes on the global market and oil is fungible.

You apparently already gave up actually understanding what I'm saying.

unfortunately our foreign policy arguably promotes instability in the ME, if you consider Iran part of the ME

245 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:01:54pm

re: #239 palomino

OT: here's the kind of conservative outreach that will insure the gop does as well with gays as they currently do with blacks. Ann Coulter headlines gay Republican conference.

Keep on alienating all non-white non-heterosexuals, gop. It's a great way to build that permanent republican majority.
/

Sure, the woman who called John Edwards a faggot is the first person I'd call.

246 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:02:47pm

re: #239 palomino

OT: here's the kind of conservative outreach that will insure the gop does as well with gays as they currently do with blacks. Ann Coulter headlines gay Republican conference.

Keep on alienating all non-white non-heterosexuals, gop. It's a great way to build that permanent republican majority.
/

I can only express puzzlement which borders on alarm.

247 jaunte  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:02:51pm

re: #213 researchok

That sounds excellent. I have everything but the sriracha (I don't have a clue what that is).


Tuong Ot Sriracha

248 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:02:58pm

re: #245 SanFranciscoZionist

Sure, the woman who called John Edwards a faggot is the first person I'd call.

CLEARLY she was referring to his smoking habit/

249 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:03:06pm

re: #245 SanFranciscoZionist

Sure, the woman who called John Edwards a faggot is the first person I'd call.

They could call Elizabeth Edwards. I am sure she has called John Edwards many interesting things.

250 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:03:41pm

re: #249 EmmmieG

They could call Elizabeth Edwards. I am sure she has called John Edwards many interesting things.

Yes, but she gets to. :)

251 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:04:06pm

I'm really sorry to go off-topic, but I need to say this now: I hope I never see anyone here say that Autism is not a serious problem. So many people who have its most mild forms say all it is is a different way of thinking. They are so wrong. Again, sorry for being off-topic.

252 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:04:15pm

re: #243 Spare O'Lake

Ah, I get it. So you disagree with Obama's policy of ending US ME oil imports within 10 years...unless you can also end all use of oil within the same time frame.
Are you serious?

No, you don't get it, for no apparent reason.

Every item under his plan for reduction of the oil imports from the ME is about decreasing our oil consumption and building alternative energy.

Yes, it is basically just a semantic ploy by Obama. It's a good way to sell reduction of oil. The effect it will have on the Middle East is to lower the price of oil. And, as I said, tactically and strategically it's good for the US.

What about this don't you get, still?

253 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:04:29pm

Fiddler on the Roof done Lovecraft:

A Shoggoth on the Roof...

Brilliance ensues:

Youtube Video
254 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:05:01pm

re: #251 ProLifeLiberal

Well, I know plenty of people who are functional autistics and, while it's a terrible struggle for them, live very worthwhile lives. So it depends what you mean.

255 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:05:16pm

re: #251 ProLifeLiberal

I'm really sorry to go off-topic, but I need to say this now: I hope I never see anyone here say that Autism is not a serious problem. So many people who have its most mild forms say all it is is a different way of thinking. They are so wrong. Again, sorry for being off-topic.

What brought this on, if you don't mind me asking.

256 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:05:32pm

re: #253 LudwigVanQuixote

Fiddler on the Roof done Lovecraft:

A Shoggoth on the Roof...

Brilliance ensues:

[Video]

I was introduced to that by a Lovecraft-and-musicals fan friend, who was, I'm not kidding, worried that I might find it offensive. Because FotR is, you know, a sacred text of my people.

I assured her that the parts I could understand were funny as hell.

257 theheat  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:05:46pm

re: #38 SpaceJesus

fox news is running a series on "honor killings" looks like.

Deflects the attention from the America Taliban. Sure, we're supposed to be terrified of religious extremists, as long as they're not our own, or the ones on their network.

I'm tired of being a'skeert of every boogeyman paraded before me, while expected to wear rose colored glasses about the horseshit going on in our own country. It's pure horseshit.

258 researchok  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:05:53pm

re: #225 Obdicut

Apparently you're skipping over what she wrote. She specifically addressed a charge made by many critical of our efforts against terrorists that we're terrorists too, since we kill civilians during war. She's explicitly rejecting that sort of cultural relativism, and making it clear that the Muslim terrorists are the Bad Guys.

This is your one example of a person on the left, at it's not even successful. I suggest that you revisit your conception of the left as unwilling to criticize anything about Islam or Arabs and see if it matches reality, or is simply hyperbolic.


See this.

Now I have to go and pretend I'm working.

259 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:06:50pm

re: #210 albusteve

Greg Allman has lost some weight I see

Who?

260 researchok  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:07:04pm

re: #247 jaunte

Tuong Ot Sriracha

That I have!

TY

261 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:07:47pm

Sriracha is absolutely wonderful. I used it last night in a spicy tomato-tuna sauce for pasta. So damn good.

262 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:07:58pm

re: #258 researchok

Your article disproves yourself, dude:

If Samantha Power is advocating for teeth in American policy with regard to Sudan, then unleash her. Fire the feckless, hapless and incompetent instrument of president Obama’s policy, Gen. Scott Gration. Let Bashir face Samantha Power. She possesses all the necessary skill, political and intellectual acumen, supporters, and firepower to defeat Bashir.

It's the exact opposite of what you've been arguing.

263 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:08:24pm

re: #256 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, it is Tradition.

264 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:08:37pm

re: #259 Cato the Elder

Who?

Greg, half of the Allman Bros, with his brother Duane...
blonde haired, white soul, keyboard player

265 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:09:50pm

re: #255 EmmmieG

I myself have a form of Asperger's Syndrome. It makes it really hard to have a social group/friends (I'm a 20 yr old student at OU). Combine that with a non-functional family, and that means I'm emotionally isolated. The friends I do have are drifting away, as they are preparing for marriage and similar. Autism for me just brings pain. I'm sorry for bringing this up.

266 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:11:03pm

re: #265 ProLifeLiberal

Well, if it's any consolation, nobody else I've ever known with Asperger's can write as quickly as you or communicate with emotional cues as well as you can.

So at least know there's a lot people out there on the spectrum who would have taken half an hour to make that last post, erasing it and writing it out over and over.

267 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:11:14pm

re: #256 SanFranciscoZionist

I was introduced to that by a Lovecraft-and-musicals fan friend, who was, I'm not kidding, worried that I might find it offensive. Because FotR is, you know, a sacred text of my people.

I assured her that the parts I could understand were funny as hell.

People who haven't read Lovecraft are missing out.

He wrote six unbelievably creepy stories. He actually wrote hundreds of stories, set in a darkly disturbing and brilliant twisted mythos - but he really only wrote six distinct types of plot. If you are reading any of those six plots for the first time, you will likely get creeped out.

He is simultaneously mad genius and weepy joke. He makes the best fodder for humor.

I think I shall make a mini page...

268 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:12:42pm

re: #265 ProLifeLiberal

I myself have a form of Asperger's Syndrome. It makes it really hard to have a social group/friends (I'm a 20 yr old student at OU). Combine that with a non-functional family, and that means I'm emotionally isolated. The friends I do have are drifting away, as they are preparing for marriage and similar. Autism for me just brings pain. I'm sorry for bringing this up.

Sorry for your pain. One of my friends has two of her sons with autism. Her oldest son, and you do realize he has autism when you are told, served a mission for the Mormon church*, is currently going to college, and has a girlfriend.

*They made him serve the first three months close to home, and when he did just fine, then they sent him across the continent.

269 jaunte  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:13:07pm

re: #260 researchok
I always thought it was an imported Thai item; but it's another fusion food.

270 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:13:11pm

re: #267 LudwigVanQuixote

People who haven't read Lovecraft are missing out.

He wrote six unbelievably creepy stories. He actually wrote hundreds of stories, set in a darkly disturbing and brilliant twisted mythos - but he really only wrote six distinct types of plot. If you are reading any of those six plots for the first time, you will likely get creeped out.

He is simultaneously mad genius and weepy joke. He makes the best fodder for humor.

I think I shall make a mini page...


If I want creepy, I'll go watch a Justin Bieber video.

271 zora  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:14:26pm

re: #245 SanFranciscoZionist

Sure, the woman who called John Edwards a faggot is the first person I'd call.

from the link.

“The gay left has done their best to take all the fun out of politics, with their endless list of boycotts and protests.
“I can promise you, Homocon 2010 will be a hell of a lot more fun than chaining yourself to the White House fence,” concluded Barron.

so they can't understand why the gay left doesn't shut up about being treated like second class citizens. just stunning. they may as well join the tea party.

272 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:14:41pm

re: #267 LudwigVanQuixote

People who haven't read Lovecraft are missing out.

He wrote six unbelievably creepy stories. He actually wrote hundreds of stories, set in a darkly disturbing and brilliant twisted mythos - but he really only wrote six distinct types of plot. If you are reading any of those six plots for the first time, you will likely get creeped out.

He is simultaneously mad genius and weepy joke. He makes the best fodder for humor.

I think I shall make a mini page...

Plus, the whole white upper class antiquarian uncovering the ancient secrets of the dirty filthy mongrel races get old after a while.

273 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:15:48pm

re: #210 albusteve

Greg Allman has lost some weight I see

re: #259 Cato the Elder

How can you "see" the weight someone lost !?!?!

274 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:15:55pm

re: #270 EmmmieG

If I want creepy, I'll go watch a Justin Bieber video.

Or perhaps I could interest you in Justin Bieber’s Favorite Knife Fighting Techniques

275 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:15:56pm

re: #160 LudwigVanQuixote

Or we could build nuclear solar and wind along with smart grids and not worry about the physical impossibility of burning oil and getting all the carbon. Also, "all we want" would not last much more than a few decades anyway.

Or we could just carry on as usual. It's always worked up to now, right?

Of course, there's this. (LGF pages already links it) food riots?! wtf

The world faces an inflationary time bomb as shortages of food threaten to push prices to fresh all-time highs.

A variety of freakish weather conditions across the world has sent the price of staples including wheat, pork, rice, orange juice, coffee, cocoa and tea to fresh highs in recent weeks. Yesterday's decision by the Russian government to ban the export of wheat to protect home consumers saw grain prices jump 8 per cent on the day, on what was already a two-year high.

And this: heat wave claims 16 lives, etc.
Wall Street Journal's Money and Investing section for today carries two front-page lead articles: "Russian Export Ban Raises Global Food Fears", and "China's Corn Buys Stir Up a Debate; Beijing Stays Mum." Wheat prices, according to the one article, are up 45% year to date, and corn and soybeans are also sharply higher. China, according to the other article, has imported 1.2 million metric tons of corn this year from the U.S., more than ten times its grand total from all sources in any given year, going back several years.

The droughts that have brought us to this point may be freakish, going by weather records. But they're not as unlikely as the record would seem to indicate, going by the work of global warming scientists. On any given day, we shouldn't see record heat. But "hundred-year floods"
100+ dead in Kashmir today


figure to come along every twenty years, and "once-in-a-century" heatwaves, every decade or so.

The widespread forest fires in Russia can happen in our own mountain west, and the inroads of the pine beetles just add fuel to the fire-that-is-coming.

We are already paying a price for pushing CO2 levels in the atmosphere higher than is good for us. As we push them yet higher, we must expect to pay a yet higher price. It can get a lot worse.

As to the JBS, conservatism begins, it must begin, with conserving our own physical existence and the physical existence of our habitat. Today's "conservatives" seem to think that the only threat to their Blut und Boden is political/demographic. They live in a double dream world. This political/demographic "threat" is mostly of their own imagining, and all the while, the real threat burgeons before their eyes and ours as they stare in fascination at a smoke and mirrors bogeyman.

276 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:16:15pm

re: #272 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Plus, the whole white upper class antiquarian uncovering the ancient secrets of the dirty filthy mongrel races get old after a while.


Even if it she's played by Angelina Jolie in short shorts?

277 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:16:44pm

re: #273 sattv4u2

It was funny, Steve, I promise.

278 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:16:58pm

re: #274 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Only if it involves Justin falling on his own knife.

279 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:17:29pm

re: #252 Obdicut

No, you don't get it, for no apparent reason.

Every item under his plan for reduction of the oil imports from the ME is about decreasing our oil consumption and building alternative energy.

Yes, it is basically just a semantic ploy by Obama. It's a good way to sell reduction of oil. The effect it will have on the Middle East is to lower the price of oil. And, as I said, tactically and strategically it's good for the US.

What about this don't you get, still?

1. Explain to me why influencing US foreign policy (which you admit) is not simply the flip side of kow-towing (which you deny).
2. Explain the difference between a semantic ploy and a lie.
I need to know this in order to reconsider what I thought was a clear policy statement by Pres. Obama directed to ending oil dependence from ME regimes which do not share America's interests.
3. Explain to me why America cannot reduce its imports of oil from ME sources immediately and offset those reductions by temporarily increasing its imports from non-ME sources until alternate non-oil sources can be developed.

280 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:17:47pm

re: #277 EmmmieG

It was funny, Steve, I promise.

:)

281 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:18:48pm

re: #276 EmmmieG

Even if it she's played by Angelina Jolie in short shorts?

Well, there are exceptions

282 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:19:37pm

re: #279 Spare O'Lake

1. Explain to me why influencing US foreign policy (which you admit) is not simply the flip side of kow-towing (which you deny).
2. Explain the difference between a semantic ploy and a lie.
I need to know this in order to reconsider what I thought was a clear policy statement by Pres. Obama directed to ending oil dependence from ME regimes which do not share America's interests.
3. Explain to me why America cannot reduce its imports of oil from ME sources immediately and offset those reductions by temporarily increasing its imports from non-ME sources until alternate non-oil sources can be developed.

I get the feeling that much of what BO says is a semantic ploy

283 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:19:37pm

re: #276 EmmmieG

My friends are currently obsessed with Angelina Jolie tongue-kissing her brother a while back. Kinda oogy.

284 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:19:59pm

re: #271 zora

so they can't understand why the gay left doesn't shut up about being treated like second class citizens. just stunning. they may as well join the tea party.

Well, I do hope they have a good time.

Actually, I hope they have a good time, and that Ann Coulter says something stunningly inappropriate and gets booed offstage.

285 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:19:59pm

re: #282 albusteve

he has to deal with these bitter clingers, y'know? ;)

286 theheat  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:21:25pm

re: #265 ProLifeLiberal

I'm not trying to trivialize or say I totally understand your situation, but I have observed a couple programs that use animals (horses and dogs) with Autistic and developmentally disabled children, as well as adults, and have seen the results first-hand. Animals can be wonderful companions and connect in ways other people are unable to achieve.

I'd say get a Jack Russell terrier, but that would be cruel to you if you don't appreciate the mindset of a JRT ;-) Mine is a positively dreadful dog, but I'd be lost without her. I also have horses, and I usually prefer their company to people.

287 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:22:12pm

re: #279 Spare O'Lake

Do you not understand the vast difference between 'kow-towing' and 'influencing'? Or in your version of the world, is there really no difference?

2. Explain the difference between a semantic ploy and a lie.

Well, in this case, as I said, ending our dependence on actual oil from the ME is a good strategic idea. I'm not sure what you're not getting about that.

It doesn't do anything about the price of oil-- but the means by which we'd be doing so, reduction of consumption, would. So a semantic ploy in this case is a simplification of a very complex process into an easy-to-grasp concept that is not perfectly accurate but not a lie, either.

3. Explain to me why America cannot reduce its imports of oil from ME sources immediately and offset those reductions by temporarily increasing its imports from non-ME sources until alternate non-oil sources can be developed.

It can. It would not affect the price of oil, which is all that matters when talking about the funding of Islamic extremism in Middle Eastern states.

What don't you get about this last part? You've asked this same question over and over, and I've answered it about four different ways.

If we buy a barrel of oil from Canada for $10, instead of from Saudi Arabia, and Japan buys it from Saudi Arabia instead, Saudi Arabia still makes money.

If instead we get rid of the need for that barrel of oil, and don't buy it anywhere, the price of oil drops and Saudi Arabia has less money.

This is not a tough concept.

288 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:23:12pm

re: #279 Spare O'Lake

1. Explain to me why influencing US foreign policy (which you admit) is not simply the flip side of kow-towing (which you deny).
2. Explain the difference between a semantic ploy and a lie.
I need to know this in order to reconsider what I thought was a clear policy statement by Pres. Obama directed to ending oil dependence from ME regimes which do not share America's interests.
3. Explain to me why America cannot reduce its imports of oil from ME sources immediately and offset those reductions by temporarily increasing its imports from non-ME sources until alternate non-oil sources can be developed.

We can easily cut imports from ME sources immediately, and offset those reductions by imports from non-ME sources. But so what? Those we import from would export less to other countries, which in turn would import more from the ME instead. Upshot? Higher transportation costs for all, but other than that, both ME and non ME oil producers sell the same amount of oil as they would have, and at essentially the same price.

This achieves nothing.

289 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:24:32pm

re: #287 Obdicut

Shorter version of 3: "Oil is a fungible resource"

290 BishopX  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:24:55pm

Also, buying less oil from the ME would probably mean buying more oil from Chavez, which is a BAD THING.

291 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:25:16pm

re: #281 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, there are exceptions

I will say for the record though I think Julie Benz pulled off the look better on Dexter.

292 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:26:21pm

re: #290 BishopX

No it doesn't actually matter ;)

I looked the word up to make sure I was using it right above.

Doesn't matter who you buy oil from, the only thing that's important is increasing or decreasing demand.

293 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:26:56pm

re: #205 Obdicut

The US doesn't kowtow to Saudi Arabia. I'm not sure why you always have to be so hyperbolically insulting to the US. What's the point?

The point is a Democrat is in office, therefore we're doing it wrong

294 deranged cat  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:27:06pm

thank you LGF for teaching me a new word today: fungible. which was used like 100 times in this thread.

295 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:27:08pm

re: #289 windsagio

Shorter version of 3: "Oil is a fungible resource"

He tried that. You see the results.

296 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:27:19pm

Japanese tanker attacked in Persian Gulf

The United Arab Emirates said Friday that a Japanese oil tanker was hit by an explosives-laden dinghy in the Persian Gulf in what would be the first attack in the strategic waterway where millions of barrels of oil are transported each day.

The report — which came days after an al-Qaida-linked group claimed responsibility for attacking the vessel — raised fears about the vulnerability of the Strait of Hormuz, a vital shipping lane for many petroleum exporting countries.

It was the latest in what has been a series of conflicting accounts of what happened to the M. Star supertanker, which was damaged as it entered the Strait of Hormuz, a transit point for about 40 percent of oil shipped by tankers worldwide.

297 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:27:39pm

re: #290 BishopX

Also, buying less oil from the ME would probably mean buying more oil from Chavez, which is a BAD THING.

learn more about the oil market plz

298 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:28:15pm

re: #286 theheat

I'm not trying to trivialize or say I totally understand your situation, but I have observed a couple programs that use animals (horses and dogs) with Autistic and developmentally disabled children, as well as adults, and have seen the results first-hand. Animals can be wonderful companions and connect in ways other people are unable to achieve.

I'd say get a Jack Russell terrier, but that would be cruel to you if you don't appreciate the mindset of a JRT ;-) Mine is a positively dreadful dog, but I'd be lost without her. I also have horses, and I usually prefer their company to people.

A rat terrier has all the benefits of a Jack with none of the "Joe Pesci."

299 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:28:24pm

re: #295 wrenchwench

Damn I admit I dind't read the whole thread, (I tend to skip to the bottom ten).

The whole thing really is Spare hatin' like spare normally hates. Seems to be his Raison d'être.

300 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:28:43pm

re: #294 deranged cat

thank you LGF for teaching me a new word today: fungible. which was used like 100 times in this thread.

cool words never wear out...just wait til 'tribal' pops up in every other post

301 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:29:22pm

re: #297 WindUpBird

OT: New Icon I approve!

OT2: is there any way to get a 300+ k image to scale down to 32k without looking like total ass? I know there isn't with gimp.

302 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:29:23pm

re: #299 windsagio

Damn I admit I dind't read the whole thread, (I tend to skip to the bottom ten).

The whole thing really is Spare hatin' like spare normally hates. Seems to be his Raison d'être.

Obdicut has a kind of patience that is beyond my comprehension.

303 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:29:23pm

re: #299 windsagio

Damn I admit I dind't read the whole thread, (I tend to skip to the bottom ten).

The whole thing really is Spare hatin' like spare normally hates. Seems to be his Raison d'être.

Spare hatin on a Democratic administration, spare hatin on basic market concepts, which he pretends not to understand

thanks, drive through, get your food at the second window

304 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:29:29pm

re: #293 WindUpBird

The point is a Democrat is in office, therefore we're doing it wrong

I don't think party affiliation was mentioned once til now...good job!

305 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:30:10pm

re: #304 albusteve

This is why you're great steve >>

306 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:30:12pm

re: #301 windsagio

OT: New Icon I approve!

OT2: is there any way to get a 300+ k image to scale down to 32k without looking like total ass? I know there isn't with gimp.

Probably use imageready and make it a low color gif? does it have a lot of color or is it mostly monochromatic?

307 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:30:48pm

re: #272 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Plus, the whole white upper class antiquarian uncovering the ancient secrets of the dirty filthy mongrel races get old after a while.

It's interesting, I never saw it like that at all, because all of those white upper class types tend to get eaten by a shoggoth or find out that they are reincarnated eldrich monsters.

308 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:31:05pm

re: #306 WindUpBird

Lotsa color, so I'll forget about it :) Just fun to ask on here for some reason, distracts from the frustration :p

309 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:31:08pm

re: #304 albusteve

I don't think party affiliation was mentioned once til now...good job!

I think I'm pretty familiar with the ususual Spare canards by now

310 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:31:29pm

re: #309 WindUpBird

I think I'm pretty familiar with the ususual Spare canards by now

lol ususual USUAL

311 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:31:54pm

re: #309 WindUpBird

100,000 coincidences! Quit bein' mean!

312 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:31:54pm

re: #279 Spare O'Lake

3. Explain to me why America cannot reduce its imports of oil from ME sources immediately and offset those reductions by temporarily increasing its imports from non-ME sources until alternate non-oil sources can be developed.

Oil is fungible, but it is not entirely identical. If it costs more to develop and process heavy oil from the Canadian tar sands into gasoline than it does to import light sweet crude from Saudi for our refineries, then the invisible hand of the free market is going to save money and buy oil from the ME. Now if you want the US to nationalize the oil industry, we can discuss your inefficient mandate. Otherwise, it is best to cut back on using oil entirely, instead of paying more to buy from less threatening but still inefficient foreign producers.

313 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:32:06pm

re: #305 windsagio

This is why you're great steve >>

and why you're not...just remember when you have to make it personal, it works both ways

314 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:32:31pm

re: #272 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Plus, the whole white upper class antiquarian uncovering the ancient secrets of the dirty filthy mongrel races get old after a while.

You have read the one where the white upper class antiquarian uncovers the ancient secret of the dirty filthy white race, right?

Basically, it says all white people came from vicious giant white apes raping Africans.

315 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:32:36pm

re: #302 wrenchwench

Obdicut has a kind of patience that is beyond my comprehension.

though also the patience sort of is the way he illustrates in perfect detail that Spare doesn't really understand what he's talking about, or is pretending not to understand

316 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:33:39pm

re: #312 goddamnedfrank

Very good point. Fungible after production, but not fungible in terms of production.

317 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:34:04pm

re: #287 Obdicut


1. It's a mere "semantic ploy".
2. Saying that the POTUS used a "semantic ploy" is a nice way of saying he intentionally lied or at least misled the people in a major policy announcement.
3. You said "it can", but you don't think it should be done because the policy is just a "semantic ploy".
Fine, now I understand.

318 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:34:27pm

Build your own 3-d printer.

Mrs. Lawhawk would kill for the upgraded model - it is expected to handle cake frosting.

319 theheat  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:35:03pm

re: #298 LudwigVanQuixote

I'd say mine was defective, except I've seen a million others like her. There should be a recovery program for JRT owners. I've known some nice rat terriers, but I've also seen others that remind me of my dog, but in miniature. I figure, what's the point?

Terrier people get it.

320 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:35:23pm

re: #288 lostlakehiker

We can easily cut imports from ME sources immediately, and offset those reductions by imports from non-ME sources. But so what? Those we import from would export less to other countries, which in turn would import more from the ME instead. Upshot? Higher transportation costs for all, but other than that, both ME and non ME oil producers sell the same amount of oil as they would have, and at essentially the same price.

This achieves nothing.

It acheives Obama's stated policy of ending US dependence on ME oil.

321 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:35:50pm

re: #307 LudwigVanQuixote

It's interesting, I never saw it like that at all, because all of those white upper class types tend to get eaten by a shoggoth or find out that they are reincarnated eldrich monsters.

I always saw it that the cultists, who were usually minorities, worshipped the Old Ones were uncovered by the story protaganist, invariable a white upper class New Englander, who at the climax of the story would realize what was really going on, go insane and/or die horribly.

322 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:37:18pm

re: #317 Spare O'Lake

1. It's a mere "semantic ploy".

No, it's not. It's saying that if someone influences someone, the other person is kowtowing to them. This makes no sense-- you apparently think all influence is total.

2. Saying that the POTUS used a "semantic ploy" is a nice way of saying he intentionally lied or at least misled the people in a major policy announcement.

Um, maybe go back and reread my explanation? I don't know what else to say. You just want to be able to say Obama lied, man, it's pretty clear.

3. You said "it can", but you don't think it should be done because the policy is just a "semantic ploy". Fine, now I understand.

You know, when you find yourself saying that you understand after having show you didn't understand like five times in a row, maybe it's time to consider that you don't actually understand.

Obama's plan is for the reduction of our use of oil. That's a good plan.

It's not nearly enough, though. He is not doing nearly enough on energy independence.

323 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:37:31pm

re: #318 lawhawk

Build your own 3-d printer.

Mrs. Lawhawk would kill for the upgraded model - it is expected to handle cake frosting.

is that the original Edison contraption?

324 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:37:40pm

re: #320 Spare O'Lake

It acheives Obama's stated policy of ending US dependence on ME oil.

The fuck it does, since any ME boycott spikes prices globally.

325 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:37:56pm

re: #314 Obdicut

You have read the one where the white upper class antiquarian uncovers the ancient secret of the dirty filthy white race, right?

Basically, it says all white people came from vicious giant white apes raping Africans.

I read most of his stuff at one point or another.

Now the original Reanimator series of stories was quite good. The Case of Charles Dexter Ward is also a very good peice of work.

326 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:38:05pm

re: #319 theheat

I'd say mine was defective, except I've seen a million others like her. There should be a recovery program for JRT owners. I've known some nice rat terriers, but I've also seen others that remind me of my dog, but in miniature. I figure, what's the point?

Terrier people get it.

West Highland Terrier

Have one now,, had one for 15 years before this one

Have another dog now ,, have had other dogs before

The Westies have THE best dispositions in a dog I've ever had

327 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:38:14pm

Stanford researchers may have found the holy grail on solar cells - the ability to harness light and heat simultaneously in a solar cell.

Using readily available materials, a team of engineers has come up with the first solar technology to combine photovoltaic and thermal electricity generation.

Called "photon enhanced thermionic emission," or PETE, the process uses cesium to more than double existing systems' efficiency levels. PETE devices could be easily incorporated into existing solar collection systems, and they're cheap to boot.

Photovoltaic (PV) cells get less efficient as they get hot, which is one of the biggest problems in solar efficiency. What's worse, silicon -- used in most PV cells -- can only absorb energy from certain parts of the light spectrum. Ultimately, more than half the solar energy hitting each cell is wasted.

The Stanford system exploits the excess heat, turning it into extra electricity.

Researchers led by Nick Melosh, an associate professor of materials science and engineering, coated a piece of semiconducting material with a thin layer of cesium. This allowed the cell to use both light and heat to generate electricity, Melosh says.

328 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:38:50pm

re: #321 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I always saw it that the cultists, who were usually minorities, worshipped the Old Ones were uncovered by the story protaganist, invariable a white upper class New Englander, who at the climax of the story would realize what was really going on, go insane and/or die horribly.

The cultists in Innsmouth are salt of the Earth New Englanders and the creepy old family in Dunwhich (who are the rich white folks) are sleeping with the old ones and making abomination babies during cultic rituals.

I really think you are projecting something unfairly here.

329 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:39:00pm

re: #312 goddamnedfrank

Oil is fungible, but it is not entirely identical. If it costs more to develop and process heavy oil from the Canadian tar sands into gasoline than it does to import light sweet crude from Saudi for our refineries, then the invisible hand of the free market is going to save money and buy oil from the ME. Now if you want the US to nationalize the oil industry, we can discuss your inefficient mandate. Otherwise, it is best to cut back on using oil entirely, instead of paying more to buy from less threatening but still inefficient foreign producers.

The world price of oil is the same for Canadian oil as it is for ME oil (not counting the kickbacks from the sheiks).

330 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:39:26pm

re: #315 WindUpBird

though also the patience sort of is the way he illustrates in perfect detail that Spare doesn't really understand what he's talking about, or is pretending not to understand

what difference does it make to you?...let the two of them debate, either join in or better yet MYOB....constant personal pile on's is something Charles want's avoided...comprende?

331 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:40:02pm

Anyway, I just made a mini page about Sarah Palin's sex life.

332 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:40:31pm

re: #325 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Heh. Love the reanimator series-- so campy and over the top.

333 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:40:36pm

re: #331 LudwigVanQuixote

That's a hell of a line >>

334 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:40:41pm

re: #330 albusteve

what difference does it make to you?...let the two of them debate, either join in or better yet MYOB...constant personal pile on's is something Charles want's avoided...comprende?

The comment you're commenting on is as valid as the comment you're making.

Cosmic.

335 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:41:23pm

re: #315 WindUpBird

though also the patience sort of is the way he illustrates in perfect detail that Spare doesn't really understand what he's talking about, or is pretending not to understand

The question is always 'why does spare spend so much time hating on the US president?'

336 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:43:35pm

re: #328 LudwigVanQuixote

The cultists in Innsmouth are salt of the Earth New Englanders and the creepy old family in Dunwhich (who are the rich white folks) are sleeping with the old ones and making abomination babies during cultic rituals.

I really think you are projecting something unfairly here.

The cultists at Innsmouth originally learned their cultist ways from seafarers bringing back wives and relics from various Pacific Islanders. As for the Whateleys in the Dunwhich Horror, they were shunned as coming from a long line of witches and believed to be inbreeders, not helf in high esteem, but feared.

I never said all his work did this, it was just a common theme in much of his work.

337 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:43:38pm

re: #322 Obdicut

And again you prove my point by choosing to pretend that the stated policy of ending dependence on ME oil within 10 years is not really what he meant.
Unlike you, I am not a mind reader, and am forced to take a clearly enunciated policy statement at face value.

338 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:44:17pm

re: #332 Obdicut

Heh. Love the reanimator series-- so campy and over the top.

The short stories, not the movies.

339 Ericus58  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:46:32pm

re: #327 lawhawk

Stanford researchers may have found the holy grail on solar cells - the ability to harness light and heat simultaneously in a solar cell.

Awesome - hmmmm, wonder if i should by some shares of a mining company for the future....

"One of the world's most significant and rich sources of the metal is the Tanco mine at Bernic Lake in Manitoba. The deposits there are estimated to contain 350,000 metric tons of pollucite ore,[36] with an average caesium content of 24 wt%.[37] Although the stoichiometric content of caesium in pollucite is 42.6%, pure pollucite samples from the deposit at Bernic Lake, Canada contain only about 34% caesium. Commercial pollucite contains over 19% caesium.[38] The Bikita pegmatite deposit in Zimbabwe is mined for its petalite but it also contains significant amount of pollucite. Notable amounts of pollucite are also mined in the Karibib Desert, Namibia, but more than two-thirds of the world’s reserve base is at Bernic Lake, Canada.[37] At the present rate of world mine production, that is between 5,000 and 10,000 kg/yr, reserves will last thousands of years.[2]"

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

340 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:46:46pm

re: #329 Spare O'Lake

The world price of oil is the same for Canadian oil as it is for ME oil (not counting the kickbacks from the sheiks).

You get less gasoline and fewer other valuable fractions from an equivalent volume of extra heavy tar sands oil than from light sweet crude. It is inherently less desirable, less valuable, and has a separate benchmark.

341 Ericus58  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:47:59pm

re: #327 lawhawk

"When used with the heat-conversion process, PETE devices could reach 60 percent efficiency, Melosh says. But as Stanford's news release points out, even 30 percent efficiency would bring solar power in line with the price of oil."

342 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:49:05pm

re: #334 wrenchwench

The comment you're commenting on is as valid as the comment you're making.

Cosmic.

make whatever you want of it...that can always be said for a reply to a nasty post

343 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:49:23pm

Ludwig, Lovecraft's racist world view is a documented fact from his own personal notes and correspondance.

Race, ethnicity, and class

In his personal letters, Lovecraft was explicit and candid in expressing his racism. For example, of the Jews he wrote,

The mass of contemporary Jews are hopeless as far as America is concerned. They are the product of alien blood, & inherit alien ideals, impulses, & emotions which forever preclude the possibility of wholesale assimilation... On our side there is a shuddering physical repugnance to most Semitic types...so that wherever the Wandering Jew wanders, he will have to content himself with his own society till he disappears or is killed off in some sudden outburst of mad physical loathing on our part. I've easily felt able to slaughter a score or two when jammed in a N.Y. subway train.[18]

And in the same letter (No. 60), Lovecraft wrote,

All the issues that were alive in Bible times are dead now - as are the races. The so-called Jews of today are either Carthaginians or squat Mongoloids from Central Asia, & the so-called Christians are healthy Aryan pagans who have adopted the external forms of a faith whose original flabbiness would disgust them.

In "The Call of Cthulhu" he writes of a captured group of mixed race worshippers of Cthulhu:

[T]he prisoners all proved to be men of a very low, mixed-blooded, and mentally aberrant type. Most were seamen, and a sprinkling of negroes and mulattos, largely West Indians or Brava Portuguese from the Cape Verde Islands, gave a colouring of voodooism to the heterogeneous cult. But before many questions were asked it became manifest that something far deeper and older than negro fetishism was involved. Degraded and ignorant as they were, the creatures held with surprising consistency to the central idea of their loathsome faith.

In a letter of January 23, 1920, Lovecraft wrote:

For evolved man — the apex of organic progress on the Earth — what branch of reflection is more fitting than that which occupies only his higher and exclusively human faculties? The primal savage or ape merely looks about his native forest to find a mate; the exalted Aryan should lift his eyes to the worlds of space and consider his relation to infinity!!!![19]

344 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:50:00pm

re: #265 ProLifeLiberal

I myself have a form of Asperger's Syndrome. It makes it really hard to have a social group/friends (I'm a 20 yr old student at OU). Combine that with a non-functional family, and that means I'm emotionally isolated. The friends I do have are drifting away, as they are preparing for marriage and similar. Autism for me just brings pain. I'm sorry for bringing this up.

I've got Asperger's myself man and I'm a few years older than you are. Hang in there.

345 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:50:16pm

re: #324 goddamnedfrank

The fuck it does, since any ME boycott spikes prices globally.

Who said anything about a boycott (unless that is what Obama's policy implies)? America is not obliged to buy oil from any particular nation. In fact, NAFTA requires Canada not to favour its domestic needs over American needs, and requires Canada to charge world prices to its domestic markets. ME oil would simply be sold to other consuming nations would it not?

346 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:51:27pm

re: #342 albusteve

Its always kinda funny when you turn this switch on, its like you expect everyone to forget the way you post 75% of the time :)

347 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:52:30pm

Way I found about the Birchers was finding out that they thought Dwight Eisenhower was a secret Commie. I've heard the story that Buckley lessened their influence within the conservative movement. Don't know how he did that though exactly.

348 avanti  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:52:43pm

Petraeus Tightens Rules of Engagement in Afghanistan.


Petraeus..

349 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:52:59pm

re: #346 windsagio

Its always kinda funny when you turn this switch on, its like you expect everyone to forget the way you post 75% of the time :)

you want to make a thing personal instead of commenting on issues, I will happily oblige you...have you learned nothing here?

350 zora  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:53:37pm

OT: my son has waited til the last minute and has to come up with a project for his senior year research practicum, find a mentor for the research and write a proposal before school starts in 2 weeks. physics and math are his best subjects; however, he has been plagued by laziness and girls and i need to light a fire under his ass. any ideas on areas of research or projects that he can get excited about. his major is engineering.

351 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:54:57pm

re: #350 zora

OT: my son has waited til the last minute and has to come up with a project for his senior year research practicum, find a mentor for the research and write a proposal before school starts in 2 weeks. physics and math are his best subjects; however, he has been plagued by laziness and girls and i need to light a fire under his ass. any ideas on areas of research or projects that he can get excited about. his major is engineering.

take away his phone and car....parental engineering?

352 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:55:35pm

re: #350 zora

OT: my son has waited til the last minute and has to come up with a project for his senior year research practicum, find a mentor for the research and write a proposal before school starts in 2 weeks. physics and math are his best subjects; however, he has been plagued by laziness and girls and i need to light a fire under his ass. any ideas on areas of research or projects that he can get excited about. his major is engineering.

Ask him to solve the equation of how to provide food and shelter for a lazy bum whose mom cuts him off.

///

353 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:56:57pm

re: #352 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Haha yeah, my version was 'remind him how much better it is to be in school than to actually need a job' ;)

354 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:57:04pm

re: #340 goddamnedfrank

You get less gasoline and fewer other valuable fractions from an equivalent volume of extra heavy tar sands oil than from light sweet crude. It is inherently less desirable, less valuable, and has a separate benchmark.

So if tar sands oil is less valuable, then it would be cheaper to buy than light crude, right? Please stop casting red herrings.

355 webevintage  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:57:10pm

What is it about Dem First Ladies that brings out the ugly in conservatives?
[Link: mediamatters.org...]

356 zora  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:57:40pm

re: #351 albusteve

he doesn't have a car, got rid of the phone, can't get rid of the computer (he needs it for lots of summer school work) but i have instituted some strict computer time guidelines.

357 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:58:01pm

re: #350 zora

Are his interests construction, waterways. affordable housing?

358 theheat  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:58:12pm

re: #350 zora

From Maddox: Love your kids? Prove it by beating them. NSFW.

No, I don't actually advocate beating your kids, but it's a funny rant.

359 zora  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:58:55pm

re: #352 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

i like that one.

360 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:59:13pm

re: #355 webevintage

What is it about Dem First Ladies that brings out the ugly in conservatives?
[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Rush is a sorry excuse for a human being. I don't care if he has charities or not. He's a classless dickhead.

361 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 1:59:45pm

re: #355 webevintage

They don't like women much in general?

(No, 'as sex objects' doesn't count)

362 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:00:46pm

re: #360 HappyWarrior

In Little Orphan Annie, especially back in the '20 and '30s, the evil villians would always give money to charities in order to fool the bleeding heart public into thinking they weren't pure evil (which, of course, they were).

363 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:00:58pm

re: #337 Spare O'Lake

And again you prove my point by choosing to pretend that the stated policy of ending dependence on ME oil within 10 years is not really what he meant.
Unlike you, I am not a mind reader, and am forced to take a clearly enunciated policy statement at face value.

Ending dependence on ME oil in ten years is what he meant. But that doesn't mean what you want it to mean.

Do you really think you're not completely obvious in the way you're arguing about this, man?

364 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:01:32pm

re: #354 Spare O'Lake

So if tar sands oil is less valuable, then it would be cheaper to buy than light crude, right? Please stop casting red herrings.

You have to buy more of it because the refineries don't like it and it costs more to produce because it's bound tightly to the sand formation. So the savings aren't there. I'm sorry salesman, but you have a shitty product.

365 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:02:31pm

re: #350 zora

OT: my son has waited til the last minute and has to come up with a project for his senior year research practicum, find a mentor for the research and write a proposal before school starts in 2 weeks. physics and math are his best subjects; however, he has been plagued by laziness and girls and i need to light a fire under his ass. any ideas on areas of research or projects that he can get excited about. his major is engineering.

You're talking to the wrong half of this marriage. I'm not even allowed to install hardware past games, because I've messed up the computer too many times. (It was from Motorola; how was I supposed to know it would do that?)

My husband? Designs motherboards for a living.

On the other hand, robotics are cool.

366 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:02:38pm

re: #355 webevintage

What is it about Dem First Ladies that brings out the ugly in conservatives?
[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Interesting. Rush reads the Obamas living like a Presidential family as an indication that they 'think they're owed something' because they're black.

I read Rush's griping and moaning as an indication that he doesn't think black people deserve to live like well-to-do people.

I wonder which one of us is closer to the truth?

367 theheat  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:02:48pm

re: #360 HappyWarrior

Hamas also has "charities." They're dickheads too. Charity doesn't buy immunity from dickheadedness, particularly when the dickdome is so godawful.

368 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:03:11pm

re: #356 zora

he doesn't have a car, got rid of the phone, can't get rid of the computer (he needs it for lots of summer school work) but i have instituted some strict computer time guidelines.

my weapon of choice with my kids was disappointment...they were crushed if they thought they disappointed me, but that starts when they are preschoolers or so...otherwise I have no clue

369 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:03:57pm

I'm just asking important questions... How else could Sarah Palin have reached prominece without the madness incurring malevolence of the old ones?

Isn't it interesting that I am the only one asking this?

You won't see it asked on the "mainstream" media will you?

Some say that Sarah Palin opened the Necromomicon, learned forbidden knowledge and got a hickey from the madness of the old gods. Some say she is the love slave of Hastur. Others say that she got those breast implants to please the King in Yellow. Others say she spreads her legs for the dark and bloodstained affections of Cthulu cultists in a frenzied attempt to wake the old god from his death like slumber in the sunken city of R'lyeh.

Did you notice that Sarah Palin is in league with the tea parties and we all know that the Boston Tea party took place in a New England bay - just like the one near Arkham where the deep ones dwell? Coincidence? Maybe, but look at the pattern!

And what about her cult? Need I say more?

It is certainly true that when she makes speeches, people are either driven into the cult or rendered insane. Her warbling could well have been learned from the forbidden tongues of the deep ones. However, whether she learned to induce madness from the aftershocks of fellatiating the gibbering appendages of a shoggoth or the orgies of the deep ones is of no matter. The evil effect of her words is clear.

She is obviously the tool of long hidden and malevolent forces which are beyond the imagination of our limited human minds. She has tasted the madness and ecstasy of Kadath and gone over the blasted plains of Leng.

Look at the effect her presence has had on the entire GOP. Glimpses of he dark vistas of the twisted multiverse that rend a man's soul apart and reduce his mind to twisted fragments of broken sanity are the only logical explanation.

Isn't that interesting?

370 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:04:50pm

re: #366 SanFranciscoZionist

Interesting. Rush reads the Obamas living like a Presidential family as an indication that they 'think they're owed something' because they're black.

I read Rush's griping and moaning as an indication that he doesn't think black people deserve to live like well-to-do people.

I wonder which one of us is closer to the truth?

he's just an itch

371 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:04:51pm

re: #369 LudwigVanQuixote

Isn't that interesting?

I'm sorry. Did you say something!?!?!

372 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:06:03pm

re: #367 theheat

Hamas also has "charities." They're dickheads too. Charity doesn't buy immunity from dickheadedness, particularly when the dickdome is so godawful.


Yep truth be that. I listen to what the guy says and it amazes me that people actually like him. Just amazes me that the man has man a fortune off of hating liberals.

373 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:07:59pm

re: #369 LudwigVanQuixote

Or, she found the Messiah Stone.

Doug Stavers plays the mercenary game, and every time he plays he wins: in Africa, Central America, Vietnam or in the USA. Now he's on the biggest hunt of his life: to find and seize a certain object that, incredibly, confers the power of absolute belief on its owner. Christ once wore it. So did Mohammed. The last to own it was Adolf Hitler. The next will rule the world. It's code name is "The Messiah Stone".

374 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:08:10pm

re: #372 HappyWarrior

Yep truth be that. I listen to what the guy says and it amazes me that people actually like him. Just amazes me that the man has man a fortune off of hating liberals.

welcome to AmIdol politics, where pundits mold opinion 24/7 and make millions doing it

375 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:08:23pm

re: #372 HappyWarrior

He at least used to be really good at the whole radio thing. Now, I dunno'. Habit and laziness I presume >>

376 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:09:18pm

re: #373 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Or, she found the Messiah Stone.

booo!, no stone pics....does it glow or vibrate?

377 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:09:33pm

re: #369 LudwigVanQuixote

I'm just asking important questions... How else could Sarah Palin have reached prominece without the madness incurring malevolence of the old ones?

Isn't it interesting that I am the only one asking this?

You won't see it asked on the "mainstream" media will you?

Some say that Sarah Palin opened the Necromomicon, learned forbidden knowledge and got a hickey from the madness of the old gods. Some say she is the love slave of Hastur. Others say that she got those breast implants to please the King in Yellow. Others say she spreads her legs for the dark and bloodstained affections of Cthulu cultists in a frenzied attempt to wake the old god from his death like slumber in the sunken city of R'lyeh.

Did you notice that Sarah Palin is in league with the tea parties and we all know that the Boston Tea party took place in a New England bay - just like the one near Arkham where the deep ones dwell? Coincidence? Maybe, but look at the pattern!

And what about her cult? Need I say more?

It is certainly true that when she makes speeches, people are either driven into the cult or rendered insane. Her warbling could well have been learned from the forbidden tongues of the deep ones. However, whether she learned to induce madness from the aftershocks of fellatiating the gibbering appendages of a shoggoth or the orgies of the deep ones is of no matter. The evil effect of her words is clear.

She is obviously the tool of long hidden and malevolent forces which are beyond the imagination of our limited human minds. She has tasted the madness and ecstasy of Kadath and gone over the blasted plains of Leng.

Look at the effect her presence has had on the entire GOP. Glimpses of he dark vistas of the twisted multiverse that rend a man's soul apart and reduce his mind to twisted fragments of broken sanity are the only logical explanation.

Isn't that interesting?

Ludwig, are all your medications up to date?

378 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:09:44pm

re: #374 albusteve

welcome to AmIdol politics, where pundits mold opinion 24/7 and make millions doing it

It's not just molding opinion. It's baiting racism and it's beyond disgusting.

379 theheat  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:10:08pm

re: #372 HappyWarrior

He fuels their paranoia and gives out high fives to the hater that dwells inside each of them. He's fat, pompous, cruel, opinionated, and semi-articulate. A lot of people can identify with that. Millions, in fact.

380 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:10:08pm

re: #376 albusteve

booo!, no stone pics...does it glow or vibrate?

I see it does glow!...kewl!

381 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:10:26pm

re: #370 albusteve

he's just an itch

He's just an asshole.

382 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:10:28pm

re: #378 marjoriemoon

He's also been known to bait misogyny...

383 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:11:27pm

re: #376 albusteve

booo!, no stone pics...does it glow or vibrate?

Dude, you've got 2 helicopters, a guy with a gun in one hand and a glowing rock in the other with his shirt ripped open and a hot chick crouched at his knee. What the hell else do you want?

384 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:11:28pm

re: #378 marjoriemoon

It's not just molding opinion. It's baiting racism and it's beyond disgusting.

and entirely legal....the whole lot of them get way more attention than I'm willing to give them

385 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:12:00pm

re: #384 albusteve

They should get attention tho', they're a meaningful force for harm in the US.

386 SpaceJesus  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:12:00pm

re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist

You mean, like, it wouldn't have happened if the victim's families had been unable to build a mosque in Manhattan, oddly timed?

Otherwise, probably not. It's sort of a natural phenom for a new series. High interest, gory, sympathetic victims.


oh no, im sure it could have happened, just that fox is running all these old stories right at this exact moment kind of raises a flag

387 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:12:52pm

re: #276 EmmmieG

Even if it she's played by Angelina Jolie in short shorts?

You know, AJ really never did it for me. Odd face. The lips are a bit too much.

388 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:13:04pm

re: #383 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dude, you've got 2 helicopters, a guy with a gun in one hand and a glowing rock in the other with his shirt ripped open and a hot chick crouched at his knee. What the hell else do you want?

eternal life, of course

389 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:13:12pm

re: #375 windsagio

He at least used to be really good at the whole radio thing. Now, I dunno'. Habit and laziness I presume >>

His "bahhh", pause, "bawhhh", pauses sound awful.

390 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:13:18pm

re: #58 darthstar

PSA: For those who have iPhones and want to crack, hack, or jailbreak them. One of the most popular tools for doing so is a .pdf document you simply browse to online. It takes advantage of a vulnerability in the iPhone's operating system security to unlock the phone(basically, a vulnerability in the iPhone's buffer overflow). So, if you *trust* the hacker who wrote that application to have only put in code to break the ties to AT&T and nothing else, then feel free to do so. But as I work for a software security firm, and we specialize in protecting our customers from releasing software with such vulnerabilities, and after watching people there shudder when this "fix" was brought up in conversation, I'd strongly advise against it.

If you want a smart phone without AT&T, get an Android. If you want an iPhone, stick with AT&T...unless you don't store any personal information on the phone...then you're probably perfectly safe.

As an longtime AT&T customer, I can honestly say that I've had few problems and when I have, they've taken care of it quickly. That said, friends don't let friends buy iPhones. ;-P

Seriously, I own a Tilt 2 (and have owned a Tilt, Cingular 2125, and Audiovox SMT5600, all of them Windows Mobile phones) and I love it, but Android has been looking pretty good to me lately. AT&T's version of the Samsung Galaxy S, the Captivate, is a badass Android phone and I would love to have one...I was able to persuade one of my co-workers into getting the Captivate over the iPhone 4, so I played with it a little.

Man, I want a Captivate...

391 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:13:29pm

re: #363 Obdicut

Ending dependence on ME oil in ten years is what he meant. But that doesn't mean what you want it to mean.

Do you really think you're not completely obvious in the way you're arguing about this, man?

Look man, I started this discussion with a light-hearted, friendly suggestion that America should buy all its oil from Canada. In the course of the discussion I invoked Obama's policy in order to enhance the prospect of increased imports from Canada. You are the one who then started doing cartwheels and backflips in a transparent attempt to transform the stated policy to one of ending all use of oil or all imported oil. When you lead with your chin like that, why complain if someone gently tweaks it? And now, backed by a couple of tools, you choose to accuse me of having engineered the whole discussion into an attack on Obama. But you are wrong...I actually BELIEVE Obama's policy is what he said it was, and it is YOU who is pretending otherwise.
Get it?

392 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:13:45pm

re: #387 Aceofwhat?

You know, AJ really never did it for me. Odd face. The lips are a bit too much.

She looks like an alien.

393 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:14:14pm

re: #387 Aceofwhat?

You know, AJ really never did it for me. Odd face. The lips are a bit too much.

She's a very sexy woman. Unfortunately, English has no concept of a sexy woman who isn't pretty--which Jolie isn't--so she gets described as a raving beauty.

394 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:14:35pm

re: #388 albusteve

eternal life, of course

Well, I do have this Golden Throne, but there are some restrictions to its application.

395 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:14:38pm

re: #393 SanFranciscoZionist

I hate hate hate big lips.

396 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:14:51pm

re: #366 SanFranciscoZionist

Actually, I think that Michelle is nuts to go to Spain right now.

1. If she waits a few years, the girls will be more fun to travel with, and they won't have to travel with seventy Secret Service agents and wait while security checks out everything. Honestly, that looks tedious.

2. It is going to set a lot of people off. For most of those people, it won't have anything to do with color. My kids have swiped my book on this, but during some crisis (WWI, maybe?) Eleanor Roosevelt gave an interview in which she intended to show how she was economizing in her household, but all that came across was that she had 10 servants. She was chagrined, and Frankling laughed at it, but still, the point here is perception.

In politics, it is everything.

397 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:15:05pm

re: #377 SanFranciscoZionist

Ludwig, are all your medications up to date?

Hey... this is turning into some of my best parody on my mini blog. I'm getting Beck, Fox and Palin in one swoop...

398 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:15:22pm

re: #384 albusteve

and entirely legal...the whole lot of them get way more attention than I'm willing to give them

I'm not sure that making racist statements over the air is legal, but he does get away with it. Funny that.

His big, fat, ugly face needs to be called out each time he does it so everyone can see him for what he is.

399 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:15:55pm

re: #364 goddamnedfrank

You have to buy more of it because the refineries don't like it and it costs more to produce because it's bound tightly to the sand formation. So the savings aren't there. I'm sorry salesman, but you have a shitty product.

But you said we charge less for it, so it all evens out...doesn't it?
Also, the technology is evolving.
Also, China wants to buy all we can produce...is that better for you?

400 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:16:39pm

re: #366 SanFranciscoZionist

Interesting. Rush reads the Obamas living like a Presidential family as an indication that they 'think they're owed something' because they're black.

I read Rush's griping and moaning as an indication that he doesn't think black people deserve to live like well-to-do people.

I wonder which one of us is closer to the truth?

Rush surely is the anal love slave of Hastur. He begs his master for more malice in his bottom every full moon on the plains of Leng.

401 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:16:43pm

re: #399 Spare O'Lake

*sigh*

what part of 'it absolutely doesn't matter!' do you not get? >>

402 theheat  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:16:50pm

re: #398 marjoriemoon

Sadly, a lot of his viewers do know exactly what he is. And they like it.

403 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:16:57pm

re: #391 Spare O'Lake

You are the one who then started doing cartwheels and backflips in a transparent attempt to transform the stated policy to one of ending all use of oil or all imported oil.

Except for the part where I didn't do that at all, and instead said Obama wasn't going nearly far enough to reduce our use of oil.-- like this:

re: #322 Obdicut


Obama's plan is for the reduction of our use of oil. That's a good plan.
It's not nearly enough, though. He is not doing nearly enough on energy independence.

You are now just making shit up! Congrats.

But you are wrong...I actually BELIEVE Obama's policy is what he said it was, and it is YOU who is pretending otherwise.

Yeah, lets just pretend that whole bit where you don't understand that Saudi Arabia makes just as much money if the US buys oil from Canada instead didn't happen.

404 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:16:58pm

re: #385 windsagio

They should get attention tho', they're a meaningful force for harm in the US.

which is precisely why I predict, if it goes far enough, the 1st amendment will be front page news....not on the blogs, but in the courts....there is a price to pay for brazen, long term irresponsibility hiding behind the 1st....sooner or later it will take a hit and we'll all be worse off for it...think big

405 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:17:09pm

re: #402 theheat

*most* of those are dying off, luckily.

406 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:17:30pm

re: #398 marjoriemoon

"I'm crushing his big, fat ugly head!"

Youtube Video
407 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:17:52pm

re: #404 albusteve

lol, no that won't happen :p

408 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:18:09pm

re: #395 windsagio

I hate hate hate big lips.

Ooo Chris Cornell has some awesome kissy lips. SMACK!

409 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:18:38pm

re: #387 Aceofwhat?

You know, AJ really never did it for me. Odd face. The lips are a bit too much.

she never did me either....but I'll get by

410 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:18:40pm

re: #408 marjoriemoon

Secret: The reason I'm so hostile to the Rolling Stones is because I hate Mick Jagger's lips.

411 theheat  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:18:57pm

re: #405 windsagio

There's about 20 million each week. It might take awhile.

412 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:18:59pm

re: #396 EmmmieG

Actually, I think that Michelle is nuts to go to Spain right now.

1. If she waits a few years, the girls will be more fun to travel with, and they won't have to travel with seventy Secret Service agents and wait while security checks out everything. Honestly, that looks tedious.

2. It is going to set a lot of people off. For most of those people, it won't have anything to do with color. My kids have swiped my book on this, but during some crisis (WWI, maybe?) Eleanor Roosevelt gave an interview in which she intended to show how she was economizing in her household, but all that came across was that she had 10 servants. She was chagrined, and Frankling laughed at it, but still, the point here is perception.

In politics, it is everything.

I suppose. It's just that Michelle's 'extravagance' has been such a thing for so long that I've stopped taking it seriously. I don't see anyone else in public life cutting back. Including Rush.

413 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:19:22pm

re: #394 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, I do have this Golden Throne, but there are some restrictions to its application.

the double flush type?
dig that!

414 webevintage  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:19:22pm

BTW it is private trip and from what I understand the Obamas are paying for it...except for the security.

415 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:19:29pm

re: #406 prairiefire

"I'm crushing his big, fat ugly head!"

[Video]

I'm pinching your face.

Youtube Video
416 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:19:38pm

re: #406 prairiefire

"I'm crushing his big, fat ugly head!"

[Video]

OMG Their DVDs are on my Hannukah list this year!! (I start early.)

417 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:19:48pm

re: #411 theheat

heh, who knew that the solution to many of our main social problems in the US would actually end up being 'wait it out'?

//

418 theheat  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:19:54pm

re: #408 marjoriemoon

Ditto. I heart him.

419 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:20:10pm

re: #410 windsagio

Secret: The reason I'm so hostile to the Rolling Stones is because I hate Mick Jagger's lips.

Well Mick... he's one ugly dude, I must say, but I do like big ole lips.

420 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:20:26pm

re: #412 SanFranciscoZionist

I suppose. It's just that Michelle's 'extravagance' has been such a thing for so long that I've stopped taking it seriously. I don't see anyone else in public life cutting back. Including Rush.

Key phrase: taxpayer money. Also, I think the griping was louder about Pelosi's plane.

421 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:20:34pm

re: #413 albusteve

the double flush type?
dig that!

No flushing, no movement either. But you will live forever assuming proper mainteance is kept up.

422 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:20:49pm

re: #398 marjoriemoon

I'm not sure that making racist statements over the air is legal, but he does get away with it. Funny that.

His big, fat, ugly face needs to be called out each time he does it so everyone can see him for what he is.

here it has little effect...so look to the GOP, his droolers...Steele and that bunch

423 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:21:55pm

re: #410 windsagio

Secret: The reason I'm so hostile to the Rolling Stones is because I hate Mick Jagger's lips.

secret: he's even less fond of you

424 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:22:34pm

re: #422 albusteve

here it has little effect...so look to the GOP, his droolers...Steele and that bunch

I don't wish to waddle around in the muck and mire, so I yell about him over here.

425 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:22:39pm

re: #354 Spare O'Lake

So if tar sands oil is less valuable, then it would be cheaper to buy than light crude, right? Please stop casting red herrings.

Dude, Frank is killing you. It's less valuable because it's more expensive to process. It's not actually less expensive per gallon of gasoline refined. It's more expensive. And because it's also expensive to produce, if the benchmark drops too low, you'd have to subsidize it.

If we're going to consider subsidies, we should go whole hog and get Pigovian on oil products. Less market distortion, and the proceeds can go to neat tech like the solar cells that Lawhawk just mentioned.

426 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:23:16pm

re: #423 albusteve

secret: he's even less fond of you

I would be pretty much honored if Mick Jagger thought anything about me at all.

427 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:23:30pm

re: #418 theheat

Ditto. I heart him.

Is he a commie? Like for real? Morello is apparently. I know they broke up a long while ago, but Audioslave was a hellofa band.

428 Mocking Jay  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:23:42pm

Homophobic campaign ad alert:

Youtube Video
429 Mocking Jay  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:24:16pm

re: #427 marjoriemoon

Is he a commie? Like for real? Morello is apparently. I know they broke up a long while ago, but Audioslave was a hellofa band.

Gah. Audioslave should have been 10x more awesome with that lineup.

430 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:24:20pm

re: #425 Aceofwhat?

Whole hog and pigovian go together very nicely.

431 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:24:53pm

re: #427 marjoriemoon

Is he a commie? Like for real? Morello is apparently. I know they broke up a long while ago, but Audioslave was a hellofa band.

You do know that Soundgarden is touring again, right?

432 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:24:58pm

re: #388 albusteve

eternal life, of course

atheism is an interesting way to pursue that goal/

433 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:25:06pm

re: #428 JasonA

Oh, my soul.

434 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:25:14pm

re: #403 Obdicut

Yeah, lets just pretend that whole bit where you don't understand that Saudi Arabia makes just as much money if the US buys oil from Canada instead didn't happen.

I never said Saudi would make less - that was a red herring you threw in and which I ignored because it was irrelevant. What I said was screw them, let them sell to someone else but at least they'll have less influence in Washington and at least it will help fulfill Obama's policy(paraphrased).
You really are a piece of work, dude.

435 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:25:45pm

re: #392 prairiefire

She looks like an alien.

And not in a good way.

Alien in a good way = Milla

436 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:26:05pm

re: #370 albusteve

he's just an itch

a tremendously influential itch that can compel the RNC leader to come to him hat in hand on his show and apologize profusely

That's some itch, man!

437 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:26:16pm

re: #431 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You do know that Soundgarden is touring again, right?

No way! For real?? cool beans!

438 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:26:19pm

re: #421 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No flushing, no movement either. But you will live forever assuming proper mainteance is kept up.

fine...I transcend the physical any time I please...pretty groovy, chicks think I'm like 25 again....
mwahahaha

439 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:26:22pm

re: #430 Obdicut

Whole hog and pigovian go together very nicely.

I admit to hoping that someone appreciated that little bit of work. You've made my afternoon-

440 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:26:28pm

re: #395 windsagio

I hate hate hate big lips.

What a stinking racist comment.

441 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:27:10pm

re: #429 JasonA

Gah. Audioslave should have been 10x more awesome with that lineup.

Ya think? They didn't last too long. Broke up right after they played Cuba... I still don't quite get how that all happened.

442 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:27:18pm

re: #440 Spare O'Lake

Man you are such an ass, words can barely encompass it.

443 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:27:27pm

re: #429 JasonA

Gah. Audioslave should have been 10x more awesome with that lineup.

Audioslave was a big band with major label muscle behind it and tremendous mainstream expectations, we weren't going to get a Rage + Louder than Love era Soundgarden, we were going to get a sanitized thing

Still a good band, though!

444 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:27:40pm

re: #440 Spare O'Lake

What a stinking racist comment.

hahaha what

445 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:27:54pm

re: #434 Spare O'Lake

I said:


Not just America, either. Everyone who profits from the oil economy is an enabler of Islamic extremism.

To which your reply was:


America should import all its foreign oil from Canada - heck, we're already in bed with eachother anyways.

I then spent a long time explaining that your response made no sense, since Islamic extremism would still be able to profit and us buying from Canada wouldn't change that.

Are you going to acknowledge you just made up shit in your last post, by the way, or do you prefer to sail on after having claimed I said something I never did?

446 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:28:08pm

re: #440 Spare O'Lake

What a stinking racist comment.

Dude they are talking about Angelina Jolie.

447 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:28:11pm

re: #440 Spare O'Lake

What a stinking racist comment.

man i fucking hate huge toes


I HATE THEM


HATE THEM SO MUCH

putting on my Klan robes now and going to search for toes

448 theheat  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:28:14pm

re: #427 marjoriemoon

I don't think he's a card carrying commie, but he is a leftie along the lines of Eddie Vedder and that bunch. Anti-war, anti-Bush, loves Europe... same ole same ole. (He is religious, though.) I try to ignore artist's and musician's politics, for fear I'd have no one to watch or listen to. Unless they're superfreaky, or supercreepy, then all bets are off.

449 Mocking Jay  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:28:33pm

re: #440 Spare O'Lake

What a stinking racist comment.

I don't like boobies that are bigger than a handful. I'm not a racist for saying that.

450 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:28:38pm

re: #446 LudwigVanQuixote

he knows :p

Also, Mick Jagger.

451 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:28:47pm

re: #426 windsagio

I would be pretty much honored if Mick Jagger thought anything about me at all.

so would I...I rich guy I know has a bar in Santa Fe and he's a groupie....does road trips with VIP passes, the works....hangs out with the band....he gave me a pick Richards used at MSG

452 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:28:48pm

re: #440 Spare O'Lake

What a stinking racist comment.

Um, Spare, 'big lips' really aren't attributes of any particular race.

453 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:29:06pm

Guys, I have a confession


I really really think flat-top haircuts are hilarious

Imma racist

454 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:29:58pm

re: #452 Obdicut

Um, Spare, 'big lips' really aren't attributes of any particular race.

Noted african american singer Steven Tyler had this to say:


ZA ZA ZOOO DABA DOO DEE BOO ZEDOO DE DOO RAG DOLL LIVIN INNA MOVIE
455 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:30:04pm

re: #449 JasonA

I don't like boobies that are bigger than a handful. I'm not a racist for saying that.

You are, however, a boobie-sizist, and I may hunt you down and clobber you to death with my double-Ds.

Just for the comic effect, mind you.

456 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:30:14pm

re: #448 theheat

I don't think he's a card carrying commie, but he is a leftie along the lines of Eddie Vedder and that bunch. Anti-war, anti-Bush, loves Europe... same ole same ole. (He is religious, though.) I try to ignore artist's and musician's politics, for fear I'd have no one to watch or listen to. Unless they're superfreaky, or supercreepy, then all bets are off.

Yea, I'm with ya. He just kept really quiet about his politics. And most musicians are lefties, I guess. Morello was really out there about what he believes. I just always wondered if that's what caused the rift. It never was really explained why they broke up, that I heard about.

457 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:30:31pm

re: #432 Aceofwhat?

atheism is an interesting way to pursue that goal/

it's a crap shoot....rather than deal with all the mortal bolonio, I'll take my chances otherwise

458 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:31:00pm

re: #455 SanFranciscoZionist

You are, however, a boobie-sizist, and I may hunt you down and clobber you to death with my double-Ds.

Just for the comic effect, mind you.

righteous :D

459 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:31:00pm

re: #455 SanFranciscoZionist

Some guys would love to go out that way.

If you get my drift ;)

460 Mocking Jay  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:31:11pm

re: #455 SanFranciscoZionist

You are, however, a boobie-sizist, and I may hunt you down and clobber you to death with my double-Ds.

Just for the comic effect, mind you.

I could think of worse way to go.

461 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:31:17pm

re: #454 WindUpBird

Heh. Yeah, it is funny: Every big-lipped person discussed so far in this thread is white.

Yet somehow, in Spare's mind, saying you don't like big lips is racist.

462 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:31:24pm

re: #432 Aceofwhat?

atheism is an interesting way to pursue that goal/

Actually, the Great Crusade books that Gamesworkshop has been releasing are quite interesting in this respect. The Great Crusade was the Emperor's attempt to tear down the old beliefs of man, opening them to the great secular Imperial truth of science and progess and a united humanity. The original sects which worship him as their God and protector are hunted and exterminated by his troops.

/geek mode

463 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:31:37pm

re: #425 Aceofwhat?

Dude, Frank is killing you. It's less valuable because it's more expensive to process. It's not actually less expensive per gallon of gasoline refined. It's more expensive. And because it's also expensive to produce, if the benchmark drops too low, you'd have to subsidize it.

If we're going to consider subsidies, we should go whole hog and get Pigovian on oil products. Less market distortion, and the proceeds can go to neat tech like the solar cells that Lawhawk just mentioned.

Who said anything about the price of gasoline, BABE? We were discussing the price of crude and that the price of heavy oil is lower than the price of light oil. In other words the price per barrel is adjusted by the market to allow for the higher refining costs, etc.
Okay?

464 albusteve  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:31:52pm

re: #449 JasonA

I don't like boobies that are bigger than a handful. I'm not a racist for saying that.

ditto X 2

465 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:32:47pm

re: #461 Obdicut

My pet theory is that he has the association in his head himself, but knows its not acceptable.

However when he saw me say something it was a chance to snipe!

/kinda southparkian in the lynching flag way.

466 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:32:56pm

It's my most humble opinion that men really don't care, big, small, medium just as long as they're within touching distance.

And with that, I bid you all a fond adieu :>

467 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:33:23pm

re: #427 marjoriemoon

Is he a commie? Like for real? Morello is apparently. I know they broke up a long while ago, but Audioslave was a hellofa band.

Kramer: There are no delicatessens under communism.

Mickey: Whoa! Why not?

Kramer: Well, because the meats are divided into a class system. You've got pastrami and corned beef in one class and salami and bologna in another. That's not right

468 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:34:04pm

re: #440 Spare O'Lake

dude

469 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:34:10pm

re: #456 marjoriemoon

Yea, I'm with ya. He just kept really quiet about his politics. And most musicians are lefties, I guess. Morello was really out there about what he believes. I just always wondered if that's what caused the rift. It never was really explained why they broke up, that I heard about.

Well, Rage Against the Machine wasn't exactly apolitical :D

I think when you have two big personalities in a supergroup, as Audioslave was, it's just hard to make that last. I couldn't care less about Morello's personal politics (or Pantera's, they're conservative for the most part) good tunes are good tunes!

470 Kragar  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:34:13pm

OK, saying you prefer breasts handful size is fine, but don't be hating on big boobs now folks.

Well, except for the silicone medicine ball sized ones. I'm talking real boobs here.

471 theheat  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:34:19pm

re: #456 marjoriemoon

In my mind, the breakup went kind of like this:

Morello: Hey Chris, what's going on with your hair, dude? It used to be cool, and now it's all short and stuff.

CC: WTF do you mean used to be cool?

Morello: You know, like cool. Chicks dug it. You looked like a stud.

CC: My wife made me cut it.

Morello: She didn't want you to look hot?

CC: Don't talk shit about my wife.

Morello: Fine, I'm outta here. Jerk.
/
I'm pretty sure that's how it went.

472 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:34:37pm

re: #461 Obdicut

Heh. Yeah, it is funny: Every big-lipped person discussed so far in this thread is white.

Yet somehow, in Spare's mind, saying you don't like big lips is racist.

At this point, the only thing I can do is laugh, there's just no other response available to me

473 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:34:56pm

You hate big lips? The people for ethical treatment of psychotic socialites would like to have a word with you:

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

474 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:35:22pm

re: #467 Aceofwhat?

And you've got mortadella, which is upper-class bologna.

475 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:35:41pm

re: #471 theheat

Morello: She didn't want you to look hot?

ahahahahahahahahhahaaha!

best line of the week!

476 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:35:47pm

I will repost this when walter is around, but "Slings And Arrows" is a fantastic Canadian TV Series about a regional Shakespeare theater company, starring Mark McKinney and various other talented Canadians:

Youtube Video
477 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:36:03pm

re: #459 windsagio

Some guys would love to go out that way.

If you get my drift ;)

There really is an audience for every style and size of boob.

478 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:36:36pm

re: #463 Spare O'Lake

Who said anything about the price of gasoline, BABE? We were discussing the price of crude and that the price of heavy oil is lower than the price of light oil. In other words the price per barrel is adjusted by the market to allow for the higher refining costs, etc.
Okay?

ok. so it's not cheaper. it's also energy-intensive and expensive to get out of the sand. in other words, below a certain price, you will need to subsidize it if you want to increase its market share beyond what the benchmark price would otherwise produce.

like i said.

479 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:37:00pm

re: #477 SanFranciscoZionist

Naturally!

And like somebody else said, not many guys are gonna go 'Eww! I'm so not touching that thing!'

480 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:37:15pm

for the record, I actually find singers with big lips who overenunciate strangely satisfying to watch, it could be from being a singer (not a good one) myself and watching how the sounds are formed

481 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:37:47pm

re: #478 Aceofwhat?

I actually think the tar-sand reserves will only really be useful once we're past peak production. We need to start thinking of extending the supply now.

482 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:38:20pm

re: #473 EmmmieG

You hate big lips? The people for ethical treatment of psychotic socialites would like to have a word with you:

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Oh, Lord. That can't be any part of the face that woman was born with, can it be?

483 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:39:00pm

re: #449 JasonA

I don't like boobies that are bigger than a handful. I'm not a racist for saying that.

i only like bigger than a handful when the hips are proportionally curved.

slender hips + overlarge boobies = no thanks. i love slender women, and i love curvy women, but disproportional women just don't catch my eye...

484 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:39:01pm

re: #445 Obdicut

You said what I said you said.

485 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:40:41pm

re: #484 Spare O'Lake

not even trying now >>

486 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:41:12pm

re: #484 Spare O'Lake

You said what I said you said.

What you said I said:

You are the one who then started doing cartwheels and backflips in a transparent attempt to transform the stated policy to one of ending all use of oil or all imported oil.

what I actually said:

Obama's plan is for the reduction of our use of oil. That's a good plan.
It's not nearly enough, though. He is not doing nearly enough on energy independence.


Why would you try to lie about something that's right there in black and white, man? How do you expect anyone to believe you?

487 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:41:28pm

re: #446 LudwigVanQuixote

Dude they are talking about Angelina Jolie.

It was a joke, Dude.

488 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:41:40pm

re: #481 windsagio

I actually think the tar-sand reserves will only really be useful once we're past peak production. We need to start thinking of extending the supply now.

i dislike them for some of the same reasons that i dislike ethanol...it requires a ton of energy to get them out.

489 deranged cat  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:43:08pm

not sure if anybody's posted this, but this pisses me off.
[Link: blogs.alternet.org...]

a group called the "Digg Patriots" worked together to down-vote liberal or left-leaning stories, so they wouldn't show up on the Digg homepage. the guy who wrote the story did some great investigative journalism.

490 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:43:13pm

re: #488 Aceofwhat?

Some kinds of ethanol are very effective. Not the ones we're doing en masse right now, of course.

491 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:43:18pm

re: #488 Aceofwhat?

We'll always need petroleum tho', even if we manage to wean ourselves off of it as fuel.

That's why I get so hot and bothered (and annoyed) when people advocate more drilling in *wherever*. More supply so we can waste more now is a terrible idea on a whole plethora of levels.

492 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:43:38pm

re: #487 Spare O'Lake

Respectfully, you are so full of crap :)

493 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:43:43pm

re: #487 Spare O'Lake

It was a joke, Dude.

ah. if that's the case, i recommend that you use a sarc tag the next time. your reputation for popping off makes it impossible, for all practical purposes, to figure out whether you are kidding or not.

494 deranged cat  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:43:45pm

oops. sorry. seems like re: #194 BigPapa got it already. sorry for the repost!

495 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:44:44pm

re: #493 Aceofwhat?

It also leaves him open to the charge that he only realized he'd crossed the line afterwards, and is now shamefacedly trying the "It was just a joke that I called the guy I always berate and mock a racist" defense.

496 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:44:55pm

re: #490 Obdicut

Some kinds of ethanol are very effective. Not the ones we're doing en masse right now, of course.

brazilian sugar cane, for sure. guess what our @#$%@#$ sugar industry has succeeded in keeping tariffs on? (you probably knew that already)

drives me fucking nuts.

497 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:45:21pm

re: #495 Obdicut

It also leaves him open to the charge that he only realized he'd crossed the line afterwards, and is now shamefacedly trying the "It was just a joke that I called the guy I always berate and mock a racist" defense.

i had a dog...and it's name was bingo//

498 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:46:12pm

re: #496 Aceofwhat?

brazilian sugar cane, for sure. guess what our @#$%@#$ sugar industry has succeeded in keeping tariffs on? (you probably knew that already)

drives me fucking nuts.

Some kinds of algae, bacteria, and switchgrass, and hemp are really good, too.

My first indication that Obama was not very strong on the energy front was his endorsement of corn biofuel.

499 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:47:15pm

re: #498 Obdicut

It's like 'clean coal'. You do what you think you have to to keep the wolves at bay.

Yes, its frustrating >>

500 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:47:49pm

re: #491 windsagio

We'll always need petroleum tho', even if we manage to wean ourselves off of it as fuel.

That's why I get so hot and bothered (and annoyed) when people advocate more drilling in *wherever*. More supply so we can waste more now is a terrible idea on a whole plethora of levels.

oh, sure. we use petroleum in all kinds of things. being a fungible commodity, more drilling now will either lower the price or lead other producers to cut back. so, sure, you can have an effect if you really ramp up domestic production...but i think we can have a much greater effect if we tax carbon and fund renewable energy projects.

(can you believe i'm a conservative??)

501 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:48:46pm

re: #486 Obdicut

Read your comments #238 and 252, liar.

502 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:49:06pm

re: #500 Aceofwhat?

You just think you're a conservative :D

--> What I'm more thinking isn't to effect the commodities market, but rather to assure a long-term supply of the stuff. I'm hoping we last a loooooong time on this planet :D

503 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:51:31pm

re: #500 Aceofwhat?

By the way, it's slightly out of date but I'm reading a good book right now-- Ten Technologies To Fix Energy and Climate, by Chris Goodall.

504 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:52:27pm

re: #501 Spare O'Lake

I have. Your point? Please actually demonstrate a lie on my part-- you know, the way I showed how you were lying, by posting what you claimed I said and then what I actually said, showing you were lying about what I said?

Remember that?

Good times.

505 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:53:11pm

re: #493 Aceofwhat?

ah. if that's the case, i recommend that you use a sarc tag the next time. your reputation for popping off makes it impossible, for all practical purposes, to figure out whether you are kidding or not.

I try never to use the sarc tag.
Wasn't it obvious that I was just giving him the gears?

506 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:53:31pm

re: #472 WindUpBird

At this point, the only thing I can do is laugh, there's just no other response available to me

You're never going to win with those thin little bird-lips you've got there.

507 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:53:52pm

re: #501 Spare O'Lake

Read your comments #238 and 252, liar.

Argh, i hate that so much. When we debate, we're here to attempt to prevail on the merits of our logic, not presume that the other is actively attempting to mislead us. Calling someone a liar is one of the most counterproductive things you can do.

508 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:56:17pm

re: #505 Spare O'Lake

I try never to use the sarc tag.
Wasn't it obvious that I was just giving him the gears?

no. it wasn't obvious in the least. you have this thing i'd call a "track record".

and you should always use the sarc tag. one needs to be consistent and skilled to go without it, and i'd grade you as neither.

i have a tremendously high opinion of my literacy and i don't let myself go without it...you need it. trust me.

509 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:56:26pm

re: #505 Spare O'Lake

Ok kids, today's word is Plausible Deniability!

510 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:56:27pm

re: #504 Obdicut

I did not lie and I showed you the proof of what I paraphrased you as having said.

511 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:57:15pm

re: #507 Aceofwhat?

Argh, i hate that so much. When we debate, we're here to attempt to prevail on the merits of our logic, not presume that the other is actively attempting to mislead us. Calling someone a liar is one of the most counterproductive things you can do.

Did it bother you when I was called a liar first?

512 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:57:45pm

re: #510 Spare O'Lake

I did not lie and I showed you the proof of what I paraphrased you as having said.

Wait, what? The proof is what you paraphrase it to be?

513 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:57:56pm

re: #503 Obdicut

By the way, it's slightly out of date but I'm reading a good book right now-- Ten Technologies To Fix Energy and Climate, by Chris Goodall.

does it have LFTReactors? that's my new kick. it's not cold fusion, but it's damn near as dreamy with regard to input cost (low), emissions (none), danger (none), and byproducts (not radioactive).

514 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:58:12pm

re: #508 Aceofwhat?

no. it wasn't obvious in the least. you have this thing i'd call a "track record".

and you should always use the sarc tag. one needs to be consistent and skilled to go without it, and i'd grade you as neither.

i have a tremendously high opinion of my literacy and i don't let myself go without it...you need it. trust me.

Fuck you. When I want your advice on how to post I'll ask for it.

515 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:59:33pm

15 yards for piling on, ankle-biters.

516 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 3:00:18pm

re: #511 Spare O'Lake

Did it bother you when I was called a liar first?

I apologize if i missed it. It would bother me. What i saw was you mischaracterizing something Obdi said, which happens to all of us...whether the fault was Obdi's writing or your reading comprehension is immaterial, the point is to achieve clarity and move along with the debate.

517 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 3:00:45pm

re: #515 Spare O'Lake

You called me racist, dunno how some pushback is 'anklebiting'.

518 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 3:02:03pm

re: #514 Spare O'Lake

Fuck you. When I want your advice on how to post I'll ask for it.

You'd be wiser to take honest advice from your literary betters, but do as you wish. It's your decision.

519 Mocking Jay  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 3:02:10pm

re: #517 windsagio

You called me racist, dunno how some pushback is 'anklebiting'.

He was only joking.

/

(see how this works!)

520 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 3:02:39pm

re: #517 windsagio

You called me racist, dunno how some pushback is 'anklebiting'.

I didn't mean you. You can't even reach my ankles.

521 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 3:02:59pm

re: #519 JasonA

They're always joking once they get caught :D

522 windsagio  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 3:03:26pm

re: #520 Spare O'Lake

You, cato, and mandy should start a band.

523 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 3:07:16pm

re: #522 windsagio

You, cato, and mandy should start a band.

Great idea. We'll call it The Final Frontier. You can't join tho :p >

524 bratwurst  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 3:14:13pm

re: #493 Aceofwhat?

ah. if that's the case, i recommend that you use a sarc tag the next time. your reputation for popping off makes it impossible, for all practical purposes, to figure out whether you are kidding or not.

Classic example: his brave stance that Charles use of the term "teabonics" was also racist.

525 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 3:54:45pm

re: #314 Obdicut

You have read the one where the white upper class antiquarian uncovers the ancient secret of the dirty filthy white race, right?

Basically, it says all white people came from vicious giant white apes raping Africans.

Funny thing is, there might be a seed of truth in there. The first representatives of Homo Sapiens to leave Africa must have been black. Somehow or other, their descendants, the Asians, Europeans, Amerinds, Australian Aborigines, Solomon Islanders, New Guineans, and all, share Neanderthal genes not found in those of pure African stock.

The Neanderthals were bigger than we, and they must have been white, for had they been dark skinned, they would have had trouble with vitamin D deficiency, living in cloudy, high-latitude Europe.

526 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 4:52:11pm

re: #525 lostlakehiker

Somehow or other, their descendants, the Asians, Europeans, Amerinds, Australian Aborigines, Solomon Islanders, New Guineans, and all, share Neanderthal genes not found in those of pure African stock.

Well, they share more. The difference is consistent, but it's not really that big.

And the most likely place the interbreeding took place was the Middle East, so your cloudy part of the theory doesn't really hold up well.

527 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 4:53:12pm

re: #513 Aceofwhat?

does it have LFTReactors? that's my new kick. it's not cold fusion, but it's damn near as dreamy with regard to input cost (low), emissions (none), danger (none), and byproducts (not radioactive).

Yes, in the epilogue-- it's 2 years out of date, so it just says "LFT reactors are better than normal nuclear reactors".

And it makes the point that standardization of reactor design is absolutely necessary.

528 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:27:17pm

re: #526 Obdicut

Well, they share more. The difference is consistent, but it's not really that big.

And the most likely place the interbreeding took place was the Middle East, so your cloudy part of the theory doesn't really hold up well.

If the initial interbreeding took place in the Middle East it means only that Neanderthals had spread there, from elsewhere after evolving, to interact with homo sapiens more recently coming out of Africa.

Skin color and vitamin D is a real issue, although I don't buy legends lasting for 10s of thousands of years.

529 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:30:48pm

re: #527 Obdicut

Yes, in the epilogue-- it's 2 years out of date, so it just says "LFT reactors are better than normal nuclear reactors".

And it makes the point that standardization of reactor design is absolutely necessary.

I'm not sure what is meant by standardization of reactor design here; but if it means standard reactors, we have only a few hundred years of known supply of uranium. Less than oil probably.

The answer lies in fast breeder type of reactors, which can push that to thousands of years I believe, at present use levels.

530 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:24:56pm

re: #529 Naso Tang

I'm not sure what is meant by standardization of reactor design here; but if it means standard reactors, we have only a few hundred years of known supply of uranium. Less than oil probably.

This is untrue.

Unless you mean for 100% replacement of all energy needs, including projected growth of population along current levels.

Then it might be true, but I doubt it.

Thorium reactors really do seem like the best current available deal.

531 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:26:21pm

re: #528 Naso Tang

If the initial interbreeding took place in the Middle East it means only that Neanderthals had spread there, from elsewhere after evolving, to interact with homo sapiens more recently coming out of Africa.

That is a completely unsupported assertion.


Skin color and vitamin D is a real issue, although I don't buy legends lasting for 10s of thousands of years.

Skin color and vitamin D evolve pretty quickly. See the gradients in China.

532 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Aug 7, 2010 1:07:02am

re: #495 Obdicut

It also leaves him open to the charge that he only realized he'd crossed the line afterwards, and is now shamefacedly trying the "It was just a joke that I called the guy I always berate and mock a racist" defense.

SATIRE!!1


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