Fickle GOP Voters Now Tiring of Newt

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Howard Fineman says Republican insiders are suddenly seeing the hot air leaking out of Newt’s balloon.

The primary reason: the Palin Factor.

Some D.C.-based establishment types were preparing to reconcile themselves to former House Speaker Gingrich, if not outright endorse him, before or after the South Carolina primary last week. But according to one such insider, who asked not to be identified because of her prominent corporate lobbying role, Gingrich fatally said on Jan. 18 — three days before the primary — that he would offer former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin a “major role in the next administration if I’m president.” That one statement scared the accept-Newt, Republican-establishment types. “That sure did it for me, and I think for a lot of other people in town,” the lobbyist said.

UPDATE at 1/28/12 1:53:29 pm

Public Policy Polling says Romney now has a 10-point lead over Gingrich:

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264 comments
1 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:28:06pm

LOL@GOP

2 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:29:08pm

Quick Sarah, endorse Romney! Bestow upon him your Kiss of Deathtm!

3 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:29:27pm

To be honest, I did think that SC just happened a week too early for Mitt.

This has happened over and over, this time it just happened at the exact moment of a primary.

4 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:32:29pm

I wonder who paid for the pop up ad on my screen that says "Sara votes for Newt", with a smiley faced Sara Palin?

5 dragonfire1981  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:32:44pm

And there were people who, right up until the end wanted Palin to run for President. Quite amazing, considering how much of a poison pill she is to the GOP.

6 Kragar  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:32:58pm

Sarah Palin: Now the death of 2 Presidential Campaigns

7 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:34:29pm

I knew that NEWT! wouldn't last, but damn, I wanted him to keep kicking Romney in the balls well into the spring.

(sigh)

8 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:34:29pm

There goes my dream of living on the moon in the 51st state.

9 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:34:31pm

These are the "establishment". What does the base think?

10 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:34:43pm

Newt plays well to the cheap seats in the house, but it's the front-row seats
who really pay the theater's bills

11 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:35:52pm

re: #9 Sergey Romanov

These are the "establishment". What does the base think?

They still love him, but that's not gonna help him in Florida. Or, from all appearances, anywhere but the South. His temporary revival simply isn't sustainable.

12 FreedomMoon  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:37:45pm

re: #8 EmmmieG

There goes my dream of living on the moon in the 51st state.

I'm guessing Newt would allow her to be Governor of the moon. She would do just fine IMO since she has a lot of experience living far from reality.

13 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:38:35pm

re: #12 tacuba14

I'm guessing Newt would allow her to be Governor of the moon. She would do just fine IMO since she has a lot of experience living far from reality.

She really would be able to see Russia from up there...

14 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:38:39pm

re: #4 Naso Tang

I wonder who paid for the pop up ad on my screen that says "Sara votes for Newt", with a smiley faced Sara Palin?

I answer my own question. Newsmax of course.

15 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:41:42pm

Public Policy Polling says Romney has a 10-point lead:

Mitt up by around 10 points on the first round of calls for our Florida poll...this one may end up being a snooze

— PublicPolicyPolling (@ppppolls) January 28, 2012

16 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:42:27pm

re: #15 Charles

Public Policy Polling says Romney has a 10-point lead:

Man. Fickle is right.

17 FreedomMoon  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:42:29pm

When Newt decides to dump Callista, and that will happen if she is to ever fall ill, my money is on Palin as his new mistress. The new-found alliance between the two of them is kind of creepy.

18 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:44:07pm

re: #15 Charles

Public Policy Polling says Romney has a 10-point lead:

At this point, S.C.'s looking like a fluke, which will likely be chalked up to a combination of Newt's dog-whistle and the exit of other candidates leaving many ABR voters reluctant to jump on his bandwagon.

19 Kragar  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:44:23pm

re: #17 tacuba14

When Newt decides to dump Callista, and that will happen if she is to ever fall ill, my money is on Palin as his new mistress. The new-found alliance between the two of them is kind of creepy.

Given Palin's and Newt's rep, who is to say she isn't already?

20 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:44:55pm

re: #5 dragonfire1981

And there were people who, right up until the end wanted Palin to run for President. Quite amazing, considering how much of a poison pill she is to the GOP.

There are people who still want her to run, and think anyone who cringes at the thought is a RINO.

21 Ming  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:45:24pm

Nice to know that "Republican establishment people" realize that it would be very, very bad for the country if Sarah Palin were to have a "major role" in any presidential administration.

Fine, people in the Republican establishment. How about SPEAKING UP?

It frustrates me that more Republicans don't speak up and say that Sarah Palin is not qualified for high office. It's only when it seems that there's a chance she REALLY MIGHT get such an office (e.g. head the Environmental Protection Agency in a Gingrich administration) that they speak up.

22 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:45:50pm

"Man, that sounds like a shitty job. How did you get out of doing it"?

"I Palined it".

23 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:45:53pm

re: #19 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Given Palin's and Newt's rep, who is to say she isn't already?

Newt would be living dangerously with Todd still around...

24 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:48:13pm

Hey Newt, Frank is talking to you:

Frank says:

Number one ain't you... You ain't even number two.

25 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:48:19pm

re: #21 Ming

Nice to know that "Republican establishment people" realize that it would be very, very bad for the country if Sarah Palin were to have a "major role" in any presidential administration.

Fine, people in the Republican establishment. How about SPEAKING UP?

It frustrates me that more Republicans don't speak up and say that Sarah Palin is not qualified for high office. It's only when it seems that there's a chance she REALLY MIGHT get such an office (e.g. head the Environmental Protection Agency in a Gingrich administration) that they speak up.

Because they've got enough trouble without being identified as the part poopers who keep pulling the rug out from under the Very Popular Mrs. Palin, and Newt, The Arouser of the Keepers of Civilization.

Look at the way conservatives who criticized her even AFTER the election got savaged.

Although I think the Bushes were sending a message when Barbara Bush made her poisonous little comment about Sarah. Sarah ignored that, of course.

26 zora  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:49:32pm

re: #9 Sergey Romanov

These are the "establishment". What does the base think?

this makes the base love newt more. based on hot air and the freepers.

27 FreedomMoon  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:50:18pm

This is a pretty effective ad from the Romney camp. Seems like they waited out on this one until the right moment.
Gingrich's ethics violation

28 Kragar  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:52:48pm

re: #23 ralphieboy

Newt would be living dangerously with Todd still around...

Nah, Todd's learned his lesson by now.

29 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:53:09pm

re: #27 tacuba14

This is a pretty effective ad from the Romney camp. Seems like they waited out on this one until the right moment.
Gingrich's ethics violation

Give Mitt some credit for taking credit for the message and not hiding behind his PAC

30 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:54:38pm

re: #8 EmmmieG

There goes my dream of living on the moon in the 51st state.

Phil Plait has a good take down of this moon idea within 8 years, even while he and most of us think it is a valid goal. The bottom line is simply that financially it would destroy NASA by leaving nothing else funded, and technically we couldn't do it the way he describes in that time frame anyway.

Typical Newt pandering.

31 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:56:48pm

What latest results are on Romney v. Obama match-up?

32 Kragar  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:57:01pm

re: #30 Naso Tang

Phil Plait has a good take down of this moon idea within 8 years, even while he and most of us think it is a valid goal. The bottom line is simply that financially it would destroy NASA by leaving nothing else funded, and technically we couldn't do it the way he describes in that time frame anyway.

Typical Newt pandering.

How are we going to put the mirrors into orbit if NASA goes under?

33 zora  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:58:25pm

re: #30 Naso Tang

Phil Plait has a good take down of this moon idea within 8 years, even while he and most of us think it is a valid goal. The bottom line is simply that financially it would destroy NASA by leaving nothing else funded, and technically we couldn't do it the way he describes in that time frame anyway.

Typical Newt pandering.

he had an idea in the 90's that we should make a real jurassic park. he is an idea man and i think most of his ideas suck.

34 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:59:23pm

re: #30 Naso Tang

Phil Plait has a good take down of this moon idea within 8 years, even while he and most of us think it is a valid goal. The bottom line is simply that financially it would destroy NASA by leaving nothing else funded, and technically we couldn't do it the way he describes in that time frame anyway.

Typical Newt pandering.

You've got to increase taxes if you want it.

I know they hate it, but corporations don't do long-lead massive projects. And we are already penny-pinching ourselves into starvation.

35 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:00:47pm

re: #30 Naso Tang

Phil Plait has a good take down of this moon idea within 8 years, even while he and most of us think it is a valid goal. The bottom line is simply that financially it would destroy NASA by leaving nothing else funded, and technically we couldn't do it the way he describes in that time frame anyway.

Typical Newt pandering.

Exactly, the level of funding behind the space program just to put the initial Mercury astronauts into orbit, let alone put Apollo 11 on the Moon, would turn most budget cutters hair white. And that was on top of the funding increases to the military for the build-up and Vietnam, domestic programs, etc.

So to hear Newt say that we could build a permanent installation on the Moon in 8 years, relying largely on the private sector, while being able to cut taxes and spending, is the worst sort of pandering imaginable.

36 pinkbunny  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:00:59pm

re: #18 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

At this point, S.C.'s looking like a fluke, which will likely be chalked up to a combination of Newt's dog-whistle and the exit of other candidates leaving many ABR voters reluctant to jump on his bandwagon.

I'm a bit disappointed, I really wanted the GOP Clown show to go on!
Dang and I bought that mega jar of popcorn from CostCo too!

37 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:01:53pm

re: #36 pinkbunny

I'm a bit disappointed, I really wanted the GOP Clown show to go on!
Dang and I bought that mega jar of popcorn from CostCo too!

Save it for the Romney/Obama debates. Those should be a hoot and a half.

38 pinkbunny  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:02:23pm

re: #30 Naso Tang

Phil Plait has a good take down of this moon idea within 8 years, even while he and most of us think it is a valid goal. The bottom line is simply that financially it would destroy NASA by leaving nothing else funded, and technically we couldn't do it the way he describes in that time frame anyway.

Typical Newt pandering.

I have a question, what about the physical effects of being on the moon long term? I'm a huge trekkie fan, but I always wondered how do you solve the physical changes & hardship of being in space?

39 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:05:11pm

re: #38 pinkbunny

I have a question, what about the physical effects of being on the moon long term? I'm a huge trekkie fan, but I always wondered how do you solve the physical changes & hardship of being in space?

The only physical issue that's not solvable is gravity. Unstudied (to the best of my knowledge) is whether 1/6 (lunar) gravity is sufficient to solve the physiological problems that occur in microgravity.

40 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:05:20pm

re: #7 austin_blue

I knew that NEWT! wouldn't last, but damn, I wanted him to keep kicking Romney in the balls well into the spring.

(sigh)

oh, i think newt will be around until super tuesday at the very least

that's six more weeks of mitt-hating-on

41 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:09:07pm

re: #40 engineer dog

oh, i think newt will be around until super tuesday at the very least

that's six more weeks of mitt-hating-on

Yes. And while I think Romney's probably got the job, he's gaffe-prone. That's not good in light of what the recent suffolk poll showed.

(Basically, in Romney v Obama, about half Romney's voters do so because he's running against Obama, not because it's Romney. For Obama, roughly 7/8 of voters are for Obama and only 1/8 are because he's opposed by Romney.)

42 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:09:25pm

re: #38 pinkbunny

I have a question, what about the physical effects of being on the moon long term? I'm a huge trekkie fan, but I always wondered how do you solve the physical changes & hardship of being in space?

On the moon you would weigh less than 20% of earth weight. We know that weightlessness is bad long term due to bone mass loss. We don't know if 20% (without special effort at exercising) would be enough to stabilize at some point.

It might be a good idea to find that out before setting up a 51st state with thousands of people./

As to space, it is not technically difficult to have a long term space station with centrifugal gravity, like in the movie 2001 and others. We just haven't gotten that far to need it yet.

43 Lidane  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:19:52pm

re: #35 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Exactly, the level of funding behind the space program just to put the initial Mercury astronauts into orbit, let alone put Apollo 11 on the Moon, would turn most budget cutters hair white. And that was on top of the funding increases to the military for the build-up and Vietnam, domestic programs, etc.

So to hear Newt say that we could build a permanent installation on the Moon in 8 years, relying largely on the private sector, while being able to cut taxes and spending, is the worst sort of pandering imaginable.

Which is why the only people who think his ideas are sound are economically illiterate wingnuts and freepers. Point that out, though, and you're a liberal plant or a filthy RINO.

44 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:23:48pm

i have to admit that mitt is now a better debater because of newt - he showed on thursday that he has been well trained now to stand up to foul mouthed, lying bullies

but in the fall he will face a polite and relaxed intellectual

oops

45 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:24:03pm

re: #43 Lidane

Which is why the only people who think his ideas are sound are economically illiterate wingnuts and freepers. Point that out, though, and you're a liberal plant or a filthy RINO.

Man, you don't think the private sector could put us on the Moon again!? We're America, we can do anything! Why should the government build all the rockets with my tax dollars?! We just gotta rely upon the free market to respond to the need for Moon rockets!

46 Kragar  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:25:33pm

re: #44 engineer dog

but in the fall he will face a polite and relaxed intellectual

oops

We don't take kindly to those kind in red blooded Christian America, hoss.

47 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:26:35pm

re: #35 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm a bit surprised we haven't heard a chorus of "The Moon Landings Never Happened" from the Truther/conspiratoid contingent of Luap Nor's coterie.

48 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:29:20pm

re: #47 negativ

I'm a bit surprised we haven't heard a chorus of "The Moon Landings Never Happened" from the Truther/conspiratoid contingent of Luap Nor's coterie.

They seem to be too busy with the Birther news this week from Orly.

49 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:36:12pm

re: #48 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I hope she runs into a contempt citation pretty soon. The legal system is not a toy for the use of people with delusions.

50 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:36:43pm

re: #44 engineer dog

i have to admit that mitt is now a better debater because of newt - he showed on thursday that he has been well trained now to stand up to foul mouthed, lying bullies

but in the fall he will face a polite and relaxed intellectual

oops

People don't necessarily listen to polite and relaxed intellectuals. There's a real chance Romney can win both the debates and the election.

51 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:38:00pm

re: #49 Obdicut

I hope she runs into a contempt citation pretty soon. The legal system is not a toy for the use of people with delusions.

I'm surprised she hasn't by this point, but I'm guessing that's more to do with her dragging this thing from state to state.

52 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:42:05pm

re: #49 Obdicut

I hope she runs into a contempt citation pretty soon. The legal system is not a toy for the use of people with delusions.

Possible Random Quotation material there.

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:45:28pm

re: #52 wrenchwench

Possible Random Quotation material there.

I'm talking to a Canadian birther Paulista over at ABL. No, I don't know why.

54 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:47:15pm

re: #50 Sergey Romanov

People don't necessarily listen to polite and relaxed intellectuals. There's a real chance Romney can win both the debates and the election.

romney is not a great debater. and now, instead of sharpening his attack on obama, he is being forced to concentrate on fighting back against newt

he showed on thursday that he can learn to stand up to a bully. but what happens when he faces an utterly different opponent?

fighting back directly isn't the only way to defend yourself. some debaters are good at "fuzzing" the opponent's debating points, or "going soft" so that the opponents blows don't have any impact

so, my point is that mitt is being forced to waste his time learning lessons that won't do him any good with obama

55 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:48:13pm

DailyKos rips Politifact a new one:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Note that when it comes to Romney, they suddenly go into "strict fact-checking, no intepretation of rhetorics" mode.

56 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:49:19pm

re: #54 engineer dog

He is a slick, white not-Obama, without a presidential record to answer for. Win, win, win, win.

57 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:51:09pm

re: #54 engineer dog

romney is not a great debater. and now, instead of sharpening his attack on obama, he is being forced to concentrate on fighting back against newt

he showed on thursday that he can learn to stand up to a bully. but what happens when he faces an utterly different opponent?

fighting back directly isn't the only way to defend yourself. some debaters are good at "fuzzing" the opponent's debating points, or "going soft" so that the opponents blows don't have any impact

so, my point is that mitt is being forced to waste his time learning lessons that won't do him any good with obama

Mittens is getting used to standing up to a bully and lobbing Newt's shit back at him. But he still comes off as rather wooden and smug, which is going to be a sharp contrast to Obama being seen as a friendly and likable guy. It's a bit like the difference between Bush and Kerry: Obama's the guy you could see having a beer with you, Romney's the guy who would insult you for drinking something meant for "poor folks."

58 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:53:33pm

mitt's original plan called for keeping in the middle, dominating easily in the primaries, and developing a middle of the road attack that would tread carefully so that it didn't alienate the left or the right: "the president's a nice guy, but he doesn't have a clue how to run the country"

but newt and sarah aren't gonna allow him to do that. in fact, they've declared him to be the enemy, and are aiming the copious hate reserves of wingnuttia directly at mitt and the republicans who are supporting him and attacking newt. this is much worse that hillary attacking barack, and a textbook plan for losing an election

59 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:55:49pm

re: #56 Sergey Romanov

He is a slick, white not-Obama, without a presidential record to answer for. Win, win, win, win.

oh, he's got plenty to answer for

he's already distracted by answering for it, and neither newt nor the obama campaign is gonna let up on making him answer for it

the fact that mitt stutters everytime he is asked about his taxes is a giant tell for where the most vulnerable part of his psyche is

60 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:56:46pm

re: #57 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Mittens is getting used to standing up to a bully and lobbing Newt's shit back at him. But he still comes off as rather wooden and smug, which is going to be a sharp contrast to Obama being seen as a friendly and likable guy. It's a bit like the difference between Bush and Kerry: Obama's the guy you could see having a beer with you, Romney's the guy who would insult you for drinking something meant for "poor folks."

This.

Obama is charismatic, which I've come to believe is the number one requirement of a president. Romney isn't.

I can't help but think the recent attempted storm by Arizona's Brewer was actually the first of several attempts to reduce Obama's reputation of being, well, a nice guy. An attempt to sour some of his charisma. If so we'll see more such confrontations.

61 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:58:32pm

re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist

You have my sympathy. I've been running to lots of both at NPR lately.

62 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:59:54pm

re: #60 kirkspencer

This.

Obama is charismatic, which I've come to believe is the number one requirement of a president. Romney isn't.

I can't help but think the recent attempted storm by Arizona's Brewer was actually the first of several attempts to reduce Obama's reputation of being, well, a nice guy. An attempt to sour some of his charisma. If so we'll see more such confrontations.

I'm not so sure that it was a hit orchestrated by the party at large, but I'm willing to believe that it was partially her intention to make him lose his cool on camera, even if only to make her the "victim" and thus boost her status amongst the party base.

But if the effort was to make him look anything other than friendly and personable, then it faily miserably. She's the one on camera with a pinched face and pointed finger, while he's got that friendly look on his face we've seen so many times. The GOP's gonna have to try a lot harder to cultivate the "angry black man" image if that's their intent.

63 BeenHereAwhile  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 2:59:55pm

Frank Schaeffer has the best take I've seen on Newt's pandering to the target base of the Republican primary:

[...] What he's really doing is sending signals to 3 overlapping constituencies that now control the Republican Party: The "Pro-Israel" Lobby; The Reconstructionist/Dominionist Lobby and The Conservative Roman Catholic Lobby. [...]

[...] Wanting to outdo the rest of the Republican field on support for the hardliners in the State of Israel Gingrich told America that the Palestinian people are really a fiction an "invented people", illegitimate and don't actually exist.

Not wanting to let the far right down on his purity when it comes to abortion politics Gingrich corrected himself on when "life begins" and got his "position" in line with the American Roman Catholic bishops and declared that when he said it "begins" with the implantation of the fertilized egg in the uterine wall what he really meant was that it begins with fertilization, thus putting himself squarely in the corner with the extremist bishops who would like to lump the pill in with abortion as a means that " destroys a life."

And when it comes to the rule of law Gingrich advocates the arrest of judges that rule against "Christian values."[...]

Subsequent to Schaeffer writing the above, Gingrich is now saying that within 2 hours of becoming president, the US Embassy in Israel will move to Jerusalem.

Schaeffer's writing may offend you, but he's been there & done that. . .

[Link: frank-schaeffer.blogspot.com...]
-Scroll down to "Newt Gingrich the Republicans and the Loony Religious Fringe"-

64 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:00:00pm

re: #59 engineer dog

You're an optimist, and I would be glad to be mistaken.

65 allegro  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:00:27pm

re: #60 kirkspencer

This.

Obama is charismatic, which I've come to believe is the number one requirement of a president. Romney isn't.

I can't help but think the recent attempted storm by Arizona's Brewer was actually the first of several attempts to reduce Obama's reputation of being, well, a nice guy. An attempt to sour some of his charisma. If so we'll see more such confrontations.

He's had a lifetime of practice with this tactic no doubt as people have tried like hell to get him to appear as the "angry black man." I imagine he sees that one coming from miles away. Thus far, AFAIK, he's never stumbled even a little bit, making the aggressor look like an idiot just like Brewer.

66 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:00:58pm

re: #57 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Well put. I can't see Mittens sitting at an MLB/NBA/NFL game and drinking a warm beer and eating a cold hot dog to save his life.

67 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:02:26pm

re: #64 Sergey Romanov

You're an optimist, and I would be glad to be mistaken.

well, i think it will be close all the way

68 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:03:12pm

re: #62 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I think she just wanted to sell her books.

69 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:03:14pm

re: #65 allegro

He's had a lifetime of practice with this tactic no doubt as people have tried like hell to get him to appear as the "angry black man." I imagine he sees that one coming from miles away. Thus far, AFAIK, he's never stumbled even a little bit, making the aggressor look like an idiot just like Brewer.

The man's worked in Chicago, dealt with the politics there. I'm sure that he's faced more scenarios than a few bitchy white women trying to talk down to him in his time there. And Brewer is already viewed, even in her own state, as an self-important idiot.

70 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:03:18pm
I was playing another long anticipated and extremely fun game called Skyrim. Unlike Star Wars: The Old Republic, this game is played entirely offline with computer characters and is thus free of wickedness, or so I believed. Through toil, dedication, and a seemingly endless quantity of soft drinks, I managed to carry my swarthy Dragonborn character to level 31, when he encountered in his wanderings a gentleman forbidding him access to a mine.

With some convincing, my character agreed to clear the mine of monsters and with my steady leadership and quick wits managed to accomplish the task.

Upon emerging from the mine and informing the aforementioned gentleman of the completion of the mission, a new option appeared in the dialog menu for my character to ask him: "Are you interested in me?" I clicked it. Who wouldn't be interested in the Dragonborn on his quest to crush badness into the ground one skull at a time, I reasoned, especially if this was some sort of spy upon whose traits my character pounced with some sort of mental radar-like impulse.

The man then said, "Why wouldn't I be? Are you interested in me?" I was, indeed. A prelude to treachery surely forthcoming, as already I'd slain a number of assailants seeking to prevent my character from saving the world. Was this a Thalmor agent? A member of the Dark Brotherhood seeking to fulfill a contract, perhaps? I licked my lips and hovered my hands over the keys that would deliver this man to his final, magically produced icicle-pierced fate. I clicked "Yes."

I see the reply. "It's settled then. Brief as life can be in Skyrim, at least we'll have each other." Wait, what? This wasn't coup de grace, it was tête-à-tête! The game snuck me into turning gay, and I guess French, somehow? Thanks a heap, Tony "Too Late" Perkins, for your belated warnings about the hidden threat of video game homosexuality.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

71 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:04:03pm

re: #68 Obdicut

I think she just wanted to sell her books.

I think that's a large part of it, but by playing the "victim" because Obama was ticked off about her book, she gets a two-fer: She looks "brave" for standing up to him and she gets people wondering what was in her book that so pissed him off.

72 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:15:22pm

re: #71 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It's all tied up. It's a money-making industry and its political power. It's so bereft of good intentions, much less ethics.

73 allegro  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:16:14pm

re: #71 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I think that's a large part of it, but by playing the "victim" because Obama was ticked off about her book, she gets a two-fer: She looks "brave" for standing up to him and she gets people wondering what was in her book that so pissed him off.

Clearly that worked with wingers, considering her book sales apparently increased considerably as a result. The rest of us just rolled our eyes at what a rude little idiot she is. 'Tis a painful thing to see the state of our country when such behavior makes one a great financial profit.

74 sagehen  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:17:09pm

re: #51 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm surprised she hasn't by this point, but I'm guessing that's more to do with her dragging this thing from state to state.

She has been sanctioned; but her supporters were delighted to donate to pay the $20k she was fined in California.

75 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:17:15pm

re: #73 allegro

Clearly that worked with wingers, considering her book sales apparently increased considerably as a result. The rest of us just rolled our eyes at what a rude little idiot she is. 'Tis a painful thing to see the state of our country when such behavior makes one a great financial profit.

Bullshit sells...always has, unfortunately.

76 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:18:59pm
The worst quest I've seen so far in Skyrim is a Daedric Lord's demand that, in exchange for a suit of heavy ebony armor, I should deceive my companion into accompanying me to a remote mountain peak, where I was supposed to magically trap her, torture her, and then kill her, just to show how ruthless and evil I was.

I passed on that one! I like to play goody-goody characters. But in Skyrim, the factions are all so murky and dark, that you can't help doing things that are ethically questionable. It's for the greater good, I always tell myself, as I kill the 100th idealistic Stormcloak soldier with a big hammer blow to the nose.

by Timaeus on Sat Jan 28, 2012 at 12:09:06 PM PST

77 allegro  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:20:17pm

re: #75 talon_262

Bullshit sells...always has, unfortunately.

Bullshit, yes, I get that. Hate and rude disrespect - I think this is a newer thing, like a thing I've only seen since the early 1990s.

78 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:21:02pm

re: #66 wlewisiii

Well put. I can't see Mittens sitting at an MLB/NBA/NFL game and drinking a warm beer and eating a cold hot dog to save his life.

Me either, but for completely different reasons. Maybe the hot dog.

I can see him at a spaghetti dinner fundraiser, though.

79 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:23:35pm

re: #76 Sergey Romanov

If they wanted a moralistic game, they need to pop out Skyrim and spool up Fallout 3. For those of us who enjoy not worrying that everything we do will have God smacking our hand or showering us with his grace, we'll keep playing Skyrim.

80 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:24:34pm

re: #79 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Fallout 3 is moralistic? Honest question, haven't played.

81 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:26:12pm

re: #80 Sergey Romanov

Fallout 3 is moralistic? Honest question, haven't played.

It is, or rather, every choice you make comes out as "good" or "evil" by some arbitrary scale. Like how, even if nobody sees you, you still get punished for stealing items marked as "owned."

82 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:29:30pm

re: #81 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It is, or rather, every choice you make comes out as "good" or "evil" by some arbitrary scale. Like how, even if nobody sees you, you still get punished for stealing items marked as "owned."

Well, there goes every adventure or HOG style game made. The rule there is "if it isn't nailed down, take it." Then, they have your character say "I found a screwdriver." No, you didn't find a screwdriver, you stole it.

Still, since at that point I'm usually in a creepy deserted house/amusement park/mental institution/nasty hospital pitting my wits against an evil psychopath, I don't make moral distinctions.

83 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:33:56pm

re: #82 EmmmieG

Well, there goes every adventure or HOG style game made. The rule there is "if it isn't nailed down, take it." Then, they have your character say "I found a screwdriver." No, you didn't find a screwdriver, you stole it.

Still, since at that point I'm usually in a creepy deserted house/amusement park/mental institution/nasty hospital pitting my wits against an evil psychopath, I don't make moral distinctions.

Well, most of the "owned" items are in settlements or in random people's houses, so it's counted as "stealing."

The karma system wasn't really all that popular amongst the fans, especially as several achievements could only be unlocked if you planned out your game to be a serious dick, a neutral non-entity, or an earthly saint. Thankfully, they demoted it for New Vegas and brought back the reputation system from the first two games, so now the only places it matters is in getting certain companions and in the ending slides.

84 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:35:16pm

re: #79 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Even though in some ways it's frustrating, the lack of impact you have in Skyrim on larger events is much more 'realistic' than the "You decide the fate of everyone, everywhere" aspect of Fallout. All the "Fallout" games have a background of 'destiny' to them-- you're 'the chosen one', your descendant is real important, etc.

In Skyrim, you're the Dragonborn, but that and a gold will buy you an Orcish arrow. You're not going to convince anyone to follow you by shouting at them. You get the political power other people give you. At the end, you are possibly in a position to start jockeying for leadership. Possibly.

It's interesting.

85 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:40:09pm

re: #84 Obdicut

Even though in some ways it's frustrating, the lack of impact you have in Skyrim on larger events is much more 'realistic' than the "You decide the fate of everyone, everywhere" aspect of Fallout. All the "Fallout" games have a background of 'destiny' to them-- you're 'the chosen one', your descendant is real important, etc.

In Skyrim, you're the Dragonborn, but that and a gold will buy you an Orcish arrow. You're not going to convince anyone to follow you by shouting at them. You get the political power other people give you. At the end, you are possibly in a position to start jockeying for leadership. Possibly.

It's interesting.

That's another great thing about New Vegas, except with the Independent ending, you don't wind up ruling anything at the end. The NCR treats you as just another soldier, if a very useful one. Same with the Legion, where regardless of whether Caesar or his Legate is ruling, you just end up a high-placed grunt. And you end up as Mr. House's lieutenant and successor in his ending, but there's no guarantee he'll ever die.

86 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:46:04pm

re: #85 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Doesn't anyone still play PONG!?!?

87 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:47:29pm

re: #86 sattv4u2

Doesn't anyone still play PONG!?!?

There's an app for that.

/heh

88 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:49:11pm

re: #42 Naso Tang

On the moon you would weigh less than 20% of earth weight. We know that weightlessness is bad long term due to bone mass loss. We don't know if 20% (without special effort at exercising) would be enough to stabilize at some point.

It might be a good idea to find that out before setting up a 51st state with thousands of people./

As to space, it is not technically difficult to have a long term space station with centrifugal gravity, like in the movie 2001 and others. We just haven't gotten that far to need it yet.

We could tear a page from Heinlein and make the moon a penal colony.

89 Ming  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:50:12pm

re: #25 SanFranciscoZionist

I agree. And yes, I remember that Barbara Bush had said something negative about Sarah Palin. I admire Mrs. Bush for that.

It's breathtaking just how consequential it could be if Gingrich has the opportunity to hold true to what he said, and give Palin a "prominent role" in his administration. If she were (e.g.) Secretary of Energy, or the Department of Health and Human Services, or even "only" the Department of Transportation, she would get to make some very big decisions, that would have real effects on real people.

90 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:51:15pm

re: #87 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

There's an app for that.

/heh

Where on my cell phone (pictured) do I find that ???

Image: 1308386894-43.jpg

91 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:51:55pm

re: #88 Romantic Heretic

Considering Politics in Puerto Rico, being 51 is somewhat unlikely. (For the Moon that is.)

92 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:52:17pm

re: #58 engineer dog

but newt and sarah aren't gonna allow him to do that. in fact, they've declared him to be the enemy, and are aiming the copious hate reserves of wingnuttia directly at mitt and the republicans who are supporting him and attacking newt. this is much worse that hillary attacking barack, and a textbook plan for losing an election

Only a fool fights in a burning house. - Old Klingon proverb

93 darthstar  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:56:12pm

PPP has Romney up by 10 now in Florida...by Tuesday this primary will be a sleeper.

94 darthstar  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:57:09pm

re: #90 sattv4u2

Where on my cell phone (pictured) do I find that ???

Image: 1308386894-43.jpg

Those were cool when they first came out.

95 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:58:50pm

re: #89 Ming

If she were (e.g.) Secretary of Energy, or the Department of Health and Human Services, or even "only" the Department of Transportation, she would get to make some very big decisions, that would have real effects on real people.

Make her Secretary of State. If we're going to jump off the cliff anyway, might as well get a running start so we can do all sorts of fancy gymnastics on the way down.

96 darthstar  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:58:57pm

re: #89 Ming

The biggest decision I want Palin making is whether she appears on Hannity or O'Reilly.

97 aagcobb  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 3:59:19pm

re: #31 Sergey Romanov

What latest results are on Romney v. Obama match-up?

RCP has Obama ahead of Romney by an average of 2.4%. The only Republican ahead of the President is Gene Eric, and he won't be the nominee.

98 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:00:02pm

re: #97 aagcobb

RCP has Obama ahead of Romney by an average of 2.4%. The only Republican ahead of the President is Gene Eric, and he won't be the nominee.

Damn shame too, I loved his being both for and against all the major issues.

//

99 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:00:41pm

re: #95 negativ

Make her Secretary of State. If we're going to jump off the cliff anyway, might as well get a running start so we can do all sorts of fancy gymnastics on the way down.

I'm still hoping for Secretary of State Huntsman.

We could get that whoever is president.

100 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:00:51pm

re: #96 darthstar

I didn't know you had that much confidence in her.
/

101 steve_davis  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:03:16pm

re: #13 ralphieboy

And for approximately 15 or so hours every day, she really would be able to see Russia from her front porch.

102 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:03:17pm

re: #94 darthstar

Those were cool when they first came out.

I still have two of them in my garage ,,, along with one of these
Image: US-West_Old-School_Cell_Phone_Vert_Tan_web.jpg

103 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:04:15pm

re: #102 sattv4u2

I still have two of them in my garage ,,, along with one of these
Image: US-West_Old-School_Cell_Phone_Vert_Tan_web.jpg

Whoa a brick. Haven't seen one of those in ages. About as old-fashioned as you can get before you end up in car phone territory.

104 steve_davis  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:04:26pm

re: #13 ralphieboy

She really would be able to see Russia from up there...

LOL!! Sorry, I didn't read far enough down the thread. I should have known that this readership is way too quick to let a shot like that go by for 100 comments.

105 darthstar  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:04:59pm

re: #100 Slumbering Behemoth

I didn't know you had that much confidence in her.
/

I wanted her to disappear from the public consciousness in 2008 but knew that she would hang around the "lamestream media" like a mentally imbalanced sorority girl who put out on a first date and now thinks she's popular because of her magnificent personality.

106 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:06:09pm

re: #103 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Whoa a brick. Haven't seen one of those in ages. About as old-fashioned as you can get before you end up in car phone territory.

Our 1997 Saturn (our "beach" car) still has an old analog cell phone in it (I long ago ripped out the power supply that was mounted in the trunk, but the phone is still there as is the antenna)

107 darthstar  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:09:41pm

re: #93 darthstar

PPP has Romney up by 10 now in Florida...by Tuesday this primary will be a sleeper.

Sorry, Charles...just went upthread and saw you'd posted this.

108 b_Snark  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:11:36pm

(Insert funny one liner here)

(Insert witty, caring and poignant comment here)

(Insert bad pun here)

109 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:12:08pm

re: #108 b_sharp

(Insert funny one liner here)

(Insert witty, caring and poignant comment here)

(Insert bad pun here)

(Insert snarky response here)

(Insert whiny comment about chocolate here)

110 windsagio  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:12:16pm

re: #107 darthstar

Sorry, Charles...just went upthread and saw you'd posted this.

538 also has Romney with 10 points and an 85% chance of winning florida

111 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:13:05pm

re: #109 EmmmieG

(Insert snarky response here)

(Insert whiny comment about chocolate here)

(Insert misogynistic comment about women and chocolate)

(Insert note that it was a joke)

112 Kragar  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:13:33pm

re: #109 EmmmieG

(Insert snarky response here)

(Insert whiny comment about chocolate here)

(insert obscure reference to 80s nerdom here)

113 windsagio  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:13:56pm

a little heavy on the meta you guys (so hard to not put that as a parenthetical)

114 b_Snark  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:14:00pm

re: #109 EmmmieG

(Insert snarky response here)

(Insert whiny comment about chocolate here)

(Insert LOL here)

(Grab chocolate from fridge)

(Insert sounds of eating chocolate here)

115 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:14:11pm

re: #111 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

(Insert misogynistic comment about women and chocolate)

(Insert note that it was a joke)

(Insert standard "Dick Joke" follow up)

116 b_Snark  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:15:18pm

re: #115 Slumbering Behemoth

(Insert standard "Dick Joke" follow up)

(Insert preference for boob joke here)

117 darthstar  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:16:34pm

Parenthetical lot you are. (attempt to hijack with bad pun)

118 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:16:39pm

re: #116 b_sharp

Going for the self-deprecating joke?

119 b_Snark  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:17:42pm

re: #118 Slumbering Behemoth

Going for the self-deprecating joke?

(Insert sound of one hand slapping SB here)

120 darthstar  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:17:53pm

re: #112 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

(insert obscure reference to 80s nerdom here)

Get your leggings off my shoulders.

121 b_Snark  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:18:33pm

re: #120 darthstar

Get your leggings off my shoulders.

Joe, is that you?

122 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:19:02pm

re: #112 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

(insert obscure reference to 80s nerdom here)

(Insert quote from nerdom)

(Insert comment about feeling old before 30)

123 darthstar  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:19:57pm

re: #122 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

(Insert quote from nerdom)

(Insert comment about feeling old before 30)

(Insert comment about wishing I was 30 again)

124 b_Snark  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:20:23pm

{Major threadjack attempt}

125 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:20:24pm

On the nerdom front, my baby brother is now a Doctor Who fan.

This means that four of my six siblings (or at least their families) are now converted.

Oh...and...bow ties are cool.

126 Kragar  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:20:38pm

re: #120 darthstar

Get your leggings off my shoulders.

(insert youtube clip illustrating said reference)

127 darthstar  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:21:09pm

re: #121 b_sharp

Joe, is that you?

Don't try your Saul Alinsky crap with me.

128 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:21:21pm

re: #125 EmmmieG

On the nerdom front, my baby brother is now a Doctor Who fan.

This means that four of my six siblings (or at least their families) are now converted.

Oh...and...bow ties are cool.

Yeah, but leather jackets are cooler.

129 b_Snark  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:21:25pm

re: #125 EmmmieG

On the nerdom front, my baby brother is now a Doctor Who fan.

This means that four of my six siblings (or at least their families) are now converted.

Oh...and...bow ties are cool.

Kids these days.

130 Kragar  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:21:55pm

re: #125 EmmmieG

On the nerdom front, my baby brother is now a Doctor Who fan.

This means that four of my six siblings (or at least their families) are now converted.

Oh...and...bow ties are cool.

We're babysitting my wife's friend 2 month old for the afternoon.

My daughter said her real name is Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All.

131 b_Snark  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:22:40pm

re: #128 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, but leather jackets are cooler.

But Daleks suck.

132 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:23:42pm

re: #123 darthstar

(Insert comment about wishing I was 30 again)

(Insert snark about LGF being an internet retirement home)

133 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:23:59pm

re: #131 b_sharp

But Daleks suck.

Yeah, actually, the Homicidal Shop Vacs are not my favorite.

Give me a good old insectoid villain any time.

134 windsagio  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:24:22pm

re: #131 b_sharp

But Daleks suck.

It's weird seeing the newer stuff mixed with the old stuff from when production values were, well... a LOT lower.

135 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:25:00pm

re: #131 b_sharp

But Daleks suck.

But Cybermen are cool.

136 darthstar  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:25:56pm

re: #133 EmmmieG

Yeah, actually, the Homicidal Shop Vacs are not my favorite.

Give me a good old insectoid villain any time.

Swatterman will protect us.

Image: pknn44l.jpg

137 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:27:08pm

re: #135 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

But Cybermen are cool.

I use Cyberman as an illustration for viruses.

Can't replicate on their own, take over a host and create a factory using the poor host's resources, eventually destroy host.

138 Kragar  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:27:11pm

re: #133 EmmmieG

Yeah, actually, the Homicidal Shop Vacs are not my favorite.

Give me a good old insectoid villain any time.

I'll take the alien mind control scenario any day.

139 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:27:45pm

Peaceful protest update: About 2,000 Occupy protesters take to Oakland streets, threaten to seize vacant building

Oakland police Officer Jeff Thomason says about 10 people were arrested when some in the crowd started throwing objects at police.

Oakland officials said about 250 people were in the group when the protest started around noon Saturday. But KCBS-AM reports the crowd has since grown to about 2,000.

The group was being monitored by dozens of Oakland police officers, as well as officers from nearby police agencies. Police began firing tear gas and flash bang grenades as things began to get out of hand.

They look so peaceful
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

140 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:27:59pm

re: #138 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'll take the alien mind control scenario any day.

The scariest ones are the ones where something innocent and good becomes scary and dangerous.

Angels. Little kids with gas masks on. Libraries.

141 b_Snark  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:28:29pm

re: #138 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'll take the alien mind control scenario any day.

Yeth Mathter. Ath you command mathter.

142 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:29:37pm

re: #140 EmmmieG

The scariest ones are the ones where something innocent and good becomes scary and dangerous.

Angels. Little kids with gas masks on. Libraries.

Are you my mummy?

/

143 Kragar  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:29:38pm

re: #141 b_sharp

Yeth Mathter. Ath you command mathter.

I miss the Master.

Youtube Video
144 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:30:15pm

Just for the record,,, I prefer if there is NOTHING (INSERTED) into me tonight (aside from dinner ,,, orally !!)

NTTAWWT!!!

145 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:33:34pm

re: #139 Killgore Trout

Oh c'mon

It's not like this doesn't happen all the time

You and 1,999 of your closest friends just happen to all go out for a nice leisurely walk,, at the same time,, on the same street ,, with the same shields!!

146 darthstar  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:34:20pm

re: #139 Killgore Trout

Peaceful protest update: About 2,000 Occupy protesters take to Oakland streets, threaten to seize vacant building

They look so peaceful
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Those little anarchy fucktards show up at everything...they'll be in the next pet parade. If you think they're representative of the OWS movement, then you should put extra bars on your windows and add another deadbolt to your door. You won't be safe outside...ever.

147 BongCrodny  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:35:30pm

re: #139 Killgore Trout

Peaceful protest update: About 2,000 Occupy protesters take to Oakland streets, threaten to seize vacant building

They look so peaceful
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

I know I'm threatened when I see shields made from plastic garbage cans!

148 darthstar  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:37:01pm

re: #147 BongCrodny

I know I'm threatened when I see shields made from plastic garbage cans!

Not just any plastic garbage can...Rubbermaid!

149 BongCrodny  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:38:20pm

re: #125 EmmmieG

On the nerdom front, my baby brother is now a Doctor Who fan.

This means that four of my six siblings (or at least their families) are now converted.

Oh...and...bow ties are cool.

My sixteen-year-old niece is a Doctor Who fan!

I was almost embarrassed for her to tell her that I'm also a fan; what could be more uncool than your 55-year-old uncle liking the same things you like?

150 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:38:29pm

re: #148 darthstar

Not just any plastic garbage can...Rubbermaid!

I remember using those can lids as a kid as a sort of poor-man's sled in the winter. Good times.

151 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:39:21pm

re: #149 BongCrodny

My sixteen-year-old niece is a Doctor Who fan!

I was almost embarrassed for her to tell her that I'm also a fan; what could be more uncool than your 55-year-old uncle liking the same things you like?

You have to establish yourself as a "back in the day" fan, and then you're retro cool.

152 zora  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:40:24pm

re: #149 BongCrodny

My sixteen-year-old niece is a Doctor Who fan!

I was almost embarrassed for her to tell her that I'm also a fan; what could be more uncool than your 55-year-old uncle liking the same things you like?

she'll probably think it's cool. btw, i am more excited about the ender's game movie than my kids, ages 14 & 18, who also read the book.

153 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:41:15pm

re: #150 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I remember using those can lids as a kid as a sort of poor-man's sled in the winter. Good times.

I remember Jerry Falvey cracking one over his older brothers head in a ,,, ummm,, dispute over street hockey rules

5 stitches,, But I must say, Kevin (the older brother) never ratted him out!!

154 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:41:56pm

re: #146 darthstar

Do you ever notice that fans of anarchy are usually young men?

Why not old ladies?
Why not more young women?
Why not the disabled?

Oh, right, because those people rely on a stable, law-driven society for their own personal safety. In a state of anarchy, they would all have to find a physically strong person to protect them, and something to offer that person for the protection.

This is only a good scheme if you are the physically strong person, and only as long as you are physically strong.

155 Lidane  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:42:16pm

re: #139 Killgore Trout

Oh, look. Some other douchebags that may or may not be violent:

Secret Service investigating photo of Valley students

Of course, they're not part of OWS, so who gives a shit?

156 b_Snark  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:44:36pm

re: #144 sattv4u2

Just for the record,,, I prefer if there is NOTHING (INSERTED) into me tonight (aside from dinner ,,, orally !!)

NTTAWWT!!!

No endoscope for you eh?

157 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:44:53pm

Earth Declared 'Unprofitable', Shut Down And Sold For Parts

ape infested mudball proved unruly, polluted, and strewn with cheetoes

158 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:45:32pm

re: #156 b_sharp

No endoscope for you eh?

BTDT

159 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:46:34pm

re: #155 Lidane

Nothing prevented you (or anyone else) from bringing it up two days ago!

160 darthstar  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:46:59pm

re: #155 Lidane

Oh, look. Some other douchebags that may or may not be violent:

Secret Service investigating photo of Valley students

Of course, they're not part of OWS, so who gives a shit?

Those are just innocent white boys pretending to kill the black President of the United States. And their governor is a finger wagging douche bag.

161 b_Snark  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:47:21pm

re: #152 zora

she'll probably think it's cool. btw, i am more excited about the ender's game movie than my kids, ages 14 & 18, who also read the book.

Ender's Game was a good first book of a series that went steadily down hill.
I'm curious to see how the movie does.

162 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:47:24pm

I found him. The Republican we need to nominate for president:

[Link: www.oregonlive.com...]

You gotta read the article.

163 darthstar  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:47:52pm

re: #159 sattv4u2

Nothing prevented you (or anyone else) from bringing it up two days ago!

First I saw it.

164 b_Snark  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:49:17pm

re: #158 sattv4u2

BTDT

Same here.

The conclusion of the doctor was that I'm full of shit.

165 Lidane  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:49:28pm

re: #159 sattv4u2

Nothing prevented you (or anyone else) from bringing it up two days ago!

Yes, because it's my job to scour the internet to find every single mention of every possible group of douchebags that may or may not be violent.

I mean, it's not like I have grad school to think about or anything.

///

166 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:49:45pm

re: #163 darthstar

First I saw it.

I recall seeing it either on Yahoos homepage or Drudges 2 days ago

Sick bastards that they are, they're now under a microscope ,, GOOD!

167 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:50:21pm

re: #165 Lidane

Yes, because it's my job to scour the internet to find every single mention of every possible group of douchebags that may or may not be violent.

I mean, it's not like I have grad school to think about or anything.

///

Yet you wanted Kilgore to do it

MMkkaayyy

168 BongCrodny  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:50:58pm

re: #166 sattv4u2

either on Yahoos homepage or Drudges 2 days ago

One could argue that they're both the same. :-)

169 windsagio  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:51:15pm

re: #167 sattv4u2

Yet you wanted Kilgore to do it

MMkkaayyy

more she's calling out his goofy obsession with... certain issues.

170 b_Snark  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:51:28pm

re: #167 sattv4u2

Yet you wanted Kilgore to do it

MMkkaayyy

KT is on a mission.

171 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:51:58pm

re: #169 windsagio

more she's calling out his goofy obsession with... certain issues.

re: #170 b_sharp

KT is on a mission.

Ignore is a powerful tool!

172 b_Snark  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:53:18pm

re: #171 sattv4u2

re: #170 b_sharp

Ignore is a powerful tool!

So am I, but nobody has to use me.

173 Lidane  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:53:45pm

re: #167 sattv4u2

Yet you wanted Kilgore to do it

MMkkaayyy

KT has chosen to obsess about OWS for his own reasons. Doesn't matter what we're talking about around here, we're guaranteed to get some mention of some sort of OWS thing going on.

If he wants to spend all his time obsessing about douchebags that may or may not be violent, at least try to broaden the scope of the search.

174 darthstar  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:53:51pm

re: #166 sattv4u2

I recall seeing it either on Yahoos homepage or Drudges 2 days ago

Sick bastards that they are, they're now under a microscope ,, GOOD!

I'd love to see their parents publicly shamed too. If you want them to regret their actions, you have to make it hurt.

175 windsagio  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:54:11pm

re: #171 sattv4u2

re: #170 b_sharp

Ignore is a powerful tool!

I'm not sure you get the point of discussion threads :p

176 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:54:22pm

re: #173 Lidane

KT has chosen to obsess about OWS for his own reasons. Doesn't matter what we're talking about around here, we're guaranteed to get some mention of some sort of OWS thing going on.

If he wants to spend all his time obsessing about douchebags that may or may not be violent, at least try to broaden the scope of the search.

Wouldn't that be up to him though?

177 Lidane  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:55:15pm

re: #176 sattv4u2

Wouldn't that be up to him though?

Don't care. All I'm saying is that OWS got played out ages ago. It's time for a new whipping post.

178 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:55:30pm

re: #155 Lidane

Oh, look. Some other douchebags that may or may not be violent:

Secret Service investigating photo of Valley students

Of course, they're not part of OWS, so who gives a shit?

Now, now, just some high-spirited boys exercising their Second Amendment rights. What could possibly go wrong? It's not like they are worse than those filthy OWS flea baggers! Perish the thought.

179 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:56:09pm

re: #175 windsagio

I'm not sure you get the point of discussion threads :p

You comment on every post while your logged on?
Me,, I pick and choose what I want too and skip over (ignore) those that I don't

Oh ,, and :p back attchya

180 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:56:18pm

re: #154 EmmmieG

Oh, right, because those people rely on a stable, law-driven society for their own personal safety. In a state of anarchy, they would all have to find a physically strong person to protect them, and something to offer that person for the protection.

At which point the anarchy is over, replaced by brutal despotism.

That's what the stupid kids don't understand. Anarchy is not sustainable, only transitory. :waves at the Anon dipshits:

181 b_Snark  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:57:10pm

re: #179 sattv4u2

You comment on every post while your logged on?
Me,, I pick and choose what I want too and skip over (ignore) those that I don't

Oh ,, and :p back attchya

All right you two, don't make me stop this car.

182 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:57:38pm

re: #181 b_sharp

All right you two, don't make me stop this car.

I WANT ICE CREAM

183 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:58:13pm

re: #181 b_sharp

All right you two, don't make me stop this car.

Lidane looked at me!!

184 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:58:27pm

I don't have a problem with anyone posting stories about OWS, positive or negative. Shit happens, people link it, life goes on.

185 b_Snark  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:59:02pm

re: #182 sattv4u2

I WANT ICE CREAM

Not until after supper.

186 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:59:05pm

re: #182 sattv4u2
::: expressing some Hagen Daz to Sattv ::::

187 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:59:16pm

re: #185 b_sharp

Not until after supper.

I WANT SUPPER

188 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:59:36pm

re: #186 PhillyPretzel

::: expressing some Hagen Daz to Sattv :::

U DA MAN!!

189 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:00:18pm

re: #188 sattv4u2
I am a female.

190 b_Snark  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:00:45pm

re: #183 austin_blue

Lidane looked at me!!

Somebody is going to Hell.

191 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:00:46pm

re: #184 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't have a problem with anyone posting stories about OWS, positive or negative. Shit happens, people link it, life goes on.

Of course, this ain't my blog, so... my "no problem" rather counts for shit in this scheme of things.

192 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:01:02pm

re: #188 sattv4u2

U DA FE-MANLE!!

193 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:01:16pm

re: #189 PhillyPretzel

Do you also make pretzels?

194 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:01:23pm

re: #180 Slumbering Behemoth

At which point the anarchy is over, replaced by brutal despotism.

That's what the stupid kids don't understand. Anarchy is not sustainable, only transitory. :waves at the Anon dipshits:

We'd have anarchy briefly, which would give way to the warlord despots. If they could stabilize, then we'd end up with monarchy in the second generation. Sooner or later, enlightenment would hit (only took thousands of years last time), and we'd start getting democratic-republican law-driven government again.

So the anarchists could start calling for anarchy again because they don't like having to follow rules.

In the meantime, mankind has slid back into the dark ages, because only under a fairly law-driven society with protections for the greater part of the population can we have innovation and advance.

195 b_Snark  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:02:02pm

re: #189 PhillyPretzel

I am a female.

That's OK, we don't know what Satt is.

196 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:02:23pm

re: #154 EmmmieG

Do you ever notice that fans of anarchy are usually young men?

Why not old ladies?
Why not more young women?
Why not the disabled?

Oh, right, because those people rely on a stable, law-driven society for their own personal safety. In a state of anarchy, they would all have to find a physically strong person to protect them, and something to offer that person for the protection.

This is only a good scheme if you are the physically strong person, and only as long as you are physically strong.

It's very rare to find an adult anarchist.

197 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:03:06pm

re: #194 EmmmieG

And you play video games. Your husband is a lucky man.

198 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:03:42pm

re: #195 b_sharp

That's OK, we don't know what Satt is.

Pat !

199 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:04:22pm

re: #189 PhillyPretzel

re: #193 Slumbering Behemoth

Do you also make pretzels?

No ,, she's just double jointed in a LOT of places !

200 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:04:57pm

re: #198 sattv4u2

Lemme guess, you're married to Chris?

201 Jimmi the Grey  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:05:53pm

re: #162 EmmmieG

I found him. The Republican we need to nominate for president:

[Link: www.oregonlive.com...]

You gotta read the article.

"You don't have to make a lot of money if you don't spend it. Think about that," Jones says. "We take in lots of money, but we just waste it ..."

"...included Jones as a member and enlisting him to help set the budget for the Oregon Department of Environmental Quality, which Jones didn't care for. Jones knew the agency couldn't be abolished..."

Sounds kinda SOP for the GOP.

202 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:06:03pm

re: #200 Slumbering Behemoth

Lemme guess, you're married to Chris?

Image: Its-Pat.jpg

203 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:06:29pm

re: #197 Slumbering Behemoth

And you play video games. Your husband is a lucky man.

I hope so. Right now he's on youtube looking up how to achieve some challenge on Arkham City.

204 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:07:35pm

re: #201 Jimmi the Grey

"You don't have to make a lot of money if you don't spend it. Think about that," Jones says. "We take in lots of money, but we just waste it ..."

"...included Jones as a member and enlisting him to help set the budget for the Oregon Department of Environmental Quality, which Jones didn't care for. Jones knew the agency couldn't be abolished..."

Sounds kinda SOP for the GOP.

I like when he describes himself as "tighter than bark on a tree."

205 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:08:26pm

re: #170 b_sharp

KT is on a mission.

Thanks for noticing my principled and consistent opposition to violent extremists.

206 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:10:15pm

re: #202 sattv4u2

Image: Its-Pat.jpg

Damnit! I can't find a single picture of Dana Carvey as "Chris".

207 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:11:50pm

re: #205 Killgore Trout

Thanks for noticing my principled and consistent opposition to violent extremists.

Except for your support for violent extremists who pepper-spray women in the face, of course. That kind of fucks up your idea of yourself as being principled. Or rather, it doesn't fuck up your idea of yourself, which is even creepier.

208 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:12:09pm

re: #205 Killgore Trout

I'm sure plenty of armchair psychiatrists will tell you it's obsession.

209 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:14:03pm

re: #208 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm sure plenty of armchair psychiatrists will tell you it's obsession.

Or people that stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night

210 b_Snark  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:14:20pm

re: #208 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm sure plenty of armchair psychiatrists will tell you it's obsession.

Is a recliner an armchair?

211 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:14:48pm

re: #210 b_sharp

Is a recliner an armchair?

By definition, more of a leg chair, no?

212 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:15:24pm

Occupy DC targets presidential dinner for protest

An Occupy DC organizer says they have hundreds of protesters lined up outside a prestigious Washington hotel where President Barack Obama, other political leaders and business moguls are meeting tonight.
The activist group says its members will try to get inside as uninvited guests of the annual Alfalfa Club dinner.

213 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:16:59pm

re: #212 Killgore Trout

the annual Alfalfa Club dinner.
The Master of Ceremonies is shocked !!

[Link: alntv.files.wordpress.com...]

214 b_Snark  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:17:35pm

re: #211 sattv4u2

By definition, more of a leg chair, no?

It definitely gives me a leg up on everyone else.

215 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:18:18pm

re: #214 b_sharp

It definitely gives me a leg up on everyone else.

You're just resting on your laurels

216 b_Snark  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:18:34pm

re: #212 Killgore Trout

Occupy DC targets presidential dinner for protest

I hope they don't go in armed with plastic sporks. It could be a blood bath.

217 b_Snark  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:19:03pm

re: #215 sattv4u2

You're just resting on your laurels

See? I rest my case.

218 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:19:26pm

re: #216 b_sharp

I hope they don't go in armed with plastic sporks. It could be a blood bath.

Only if rare roast beef is on the menu, no?

219 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:20:35pm

You can't even obsess about something these days without someone calling you 'obsessed'./

220 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:23:53pm

re: #219 Jimmah

You can't even obsess about something these days without someone calling you 'obsessed'./

You seem unnaturally interested in my opinions for someone claiming to be against obsessions.

221 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:24:11pm

re: #212 Killgore Trout

Nothing could possibly go wrong with such a brilliant plan.

222 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:24:56pm

re: #220 Killgore Trout

ouch,,,, I was just typing something eerily similar!

223 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:25:57pm

re: #220 Killgore Trout

Remember when this whole blog was 'obsessed' with creationism/evolution? Ah, nostalgia.

224 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:28:24pm

re: #223 Slumbering Behemoth

Remember when this whole blog was 'obsessed' with creationism/evolution? Ah, nostalgia.

Hey, it's all better than that weird "gravel" thing...

225 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:28:48pm

re: #223 Slumbering Behemoth

Remember when this whole blog was 'obsessed' with creationism/evolution? Ah, nostalgia.

They liked him better when he was obsessed with the TP

Oh, what a diffrence a movement makes!

226 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:29:13pm

re: #224 JasonA

Hey, it's all better than that weird "gravel" thing...

HEY ,,, OBEY THE GRAVEL!~

227 b_Snark  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:30:10pm

re: #225 sattv4u2

They liked him better when he was obsessed with the TP

Oh, what a diffrence a movement makes!

Especially when you've been constipated for several weeks.

228 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:31:00pm

re: #227 b_sharp

Especially when you've been constipated for several weeks.

Try that endoscopy thing you were offering me!

229 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:34:08pm

re: #220 Killgore Trout

You seem unnaturally interested in my opinions for someone claiming to be against obsessions.

LOL who is the real obsessive here - is it the person with the blatant OWS obsession, or the person who occasionally comments on that relentless, ongoing obsession?

According to your logic Killgore, it is not, for example, Pamela Gellar who is the obsessive on the subject of Islam but those who occasionally comment on her blatant and never-ending obsession. Yeah they must be the real obsessives.

230 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:38:24pm

re: #229 Jimmah

Your Irony Meter is busted and your sense of humour isn't back from ye olde repair shoppe.

231 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:42:15pm

re: #223 Slumbering Behemoth

Remember when this whole blog was 'obsessed' with creationism/evolution? Ah, nostalgia.

Those creationists were pretty obsessed they ain't here anymore. I wouldn't say that those who opposed them were in any sense 'obsessed'. Killgore's case with regard to OWS seems very different.

232 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:42:36pm

re: #230 Killgore Trout

Your Irony Meter is busted and your sense of humour isn't back from ye olde repair shoppe.

Wasn't that an Elvis song in one of his movies?

I think it was the one with Annette Funicello

233 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:42:43pm

Perhaps if you stuffed a crumpet in your wallaby ye might cheer up.

234 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:46:45pm

re: #230 Killgore Trout

Your Irony Meter is busted and your sense of humour isn't back from ye olde repair shoppe.

If you were just joking I'm relieved. It would have been a really dumb statement if you weren't. Trouble is there's been quite a few of those from you lately, especially anywhere near OWS material.

235 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:48:33pm

re: #234 Jimmah

If you were just joking I'm relieved.

Are you taking the piss?

236 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:49:24pm

re: #235 Killgore Trout

Are you taking the piss?

I hope he 'members to put the seat back down or else Ice will be FURIOUS!!
/

237 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:51:20pm

re: #233 Killgore Trout

Perhaps if you stuffed a crumpet in your wallaby ye might cheer up.

Substantive thoughtful replies, and so full of good humoured warmth too!

It's a victory for REASON folks.

238 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:52:41pm

re: #237 Jimmah

Substantive thoughtful replies, and so full of good humoured warmth too!

It's a victory for REASON folks.

Was that sarcasm?

239 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 5:54:44pm

re: #237 Jimmah

Substantive thoughtful replies, and so full of good humoured warmth too!

It's a victory for REASON folks.

Thank you. I'm so happy it warmed your cockles

240 sproingie  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:03:10pm

We need to press Mitt on what role he sees for Sarah Palin in his administration. It's a win-win: he disses Sarah, he enrages the teabaggers. He says she gets a post and everyone else jumps ship.

241 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:20:32pm

re: #231 Jimmah

Those creationists were pretty obsessed they ain't here anymore. I wouldn't say that those who opposed them were in any sense 'obsessed'.

I wouldn't say that either. But those creationists, boy did they ever take every opportunity to obsessively call others 'obsessed' whenever they linked stories on creationism or evolution. I don't think they appreciated the irony of that either.

242 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:21:49pm

re: #224 JasonA

Hey, it's all better than that weird "gravel" thing...

PENGUINIST!!!
///

243 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:23:07pm

re: #241 Slumbering Behemoth

It's simply not obsessive to call someone else obsessed. That might be knee-jerk, reflexive, conditioned, unthinking, etc., but 'obsessed' doesn't make any sense in that context.

244 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:24:03pm

re: #243 Obdicut

It's simply not obsessive to call someone else obsessed. That might be knee-jerk, reflexive, conditioned, unthinking, etc., but 'obsessed' doesn't make any sense in that context.

Are we still talking about obsession?

245 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:25:21pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

Are we still talking about obsession?

Who is 'we'?

Are you still claiming to be principled against violence while creepily enjoying videos of women being assaulted?

That's a good one.

246 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:25:51pm

re: #243 Obdicut

I dunno. For a time there, the creationist crew did seem pretty obsessed with calling other people obsessed.

247 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:26:40pm

re: #246 Slumbering Behemoth

I dunno. For a time there, the creationist crew did seem pretty obsessed with calling other people obsessed.

Okay. Call it whatever you want. The English language is crying in a corner again, though.

Poor thing. The interwebs years have been hard on her.

248 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:28:11pm

re: #247 Obdicut

Okay. Call it whatever you want. The English language is crying in a corner again, though.

It did that after the Normans took over Britain. It's gotten much thicker skin since then.

249 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:29:37pm

re: #248 Slumbering Behemoth

It did that after the Normans took over Britain. It's gotten much thicker skin since then.

I had the Normans but I had to give 6 points!

250 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:30:46pm

re: #248 Slumbering Behemoth

It did that after the Normans took over Britain. It's gotten much thicker skin since then.

Nah, that was just like English dating a French guy for awhile and picking up a few phrases from him to throw around.

The niftiest part of that is the food stuff.

Since the Normans were the ruling class, the words for the foods are all french-- beef, mutton, etc. The words for the animals are all from old english-- cow, sheep, etc. Class division wrought in language. Kinda nifty.

251 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:31:28pm

re: #245 Obdicut

Who is 'we'?

You're talking to Kilgore

From where I stand, the two of you qualify as a "we", oui??

252 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:33:41pm

re: #250 Obdicut

Food and history, food in history... whatever... it's all pretty interesting stuff. When my buddy was in culinary school he'd always email me fascinating, trivial tidbits.

253 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:34:48pm

Heh. Frank Says:

I never set out to be weird. It was always the other people who called me weird. -- To the Baltimore Sun, October 12, 1986

254 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:35:47pm

re: #252 Slumbering Behemoth

Food and history, food in history... whatever... it's all pretty interesting stuff. When my buddy was in culinary school he'd always email me fascinating, trivial tidbits.

How could you taste them through e-mail??

255 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:38:02pm

Yo, Killgore! In case you missed this earlier.

Youtube Video

h/t Amory Blaine

256 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:38:43pm

re: #255 Slumbering Behemoth

Yo, Killgore! In case you missed this earlier.

[Video]h/t Amory Blaine

Are you obsessing about Killgore!?!
//

257 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:39:12pm

re: #254 sattv4u2

Through the use of my "mind's tongue". Don't ask, it's a messy and unattractive process.

258 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:39:47pm

re: #257 Slumbering Behemoth

Through the use of my "mind's tongue". Don't ask, it's a messy and unattractive process.

But I bet your local monitor sales person is THRILLED!

259 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:42:49pm

re: #256 sattv4u2

What can I say? I'm obsessed with the obsessions of obsessives. I guess you could say I'm obsessive-compulsive that way.

260 Lidane  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:53:31pm

re: #207 Obdicut

Except for your support for violent extremists who pepper-spray women in the face, of course. That kind of fucks up your idea of yourself as being principled. Or rather, it doesn't fuck up your idea of yourself, which is even creepier.

Yeah, this.

261 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:31:18pm

Cons and confederates are getting exactly what they deserve in Newt/Palin/Santorum, and the rest of the stupid bigots.

They all represent them, quite well.

262 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:39:54am

re: #241 Slumbering Behemoth

I wouldn't say that either. But those creationists, boy did they ever take every opportunity to obsessively call others 'obsessed' whenever they linked stories on creationism or evolution. I don't think they appreciated the irony of that either.

Speaking of irony, Killgore has already stated that his apparently stupid comment was actually just a joke so there's really no need to try to defend it anymore.

263 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:41:53am

re: #261 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Cons and confederates are getting exactly what they deserve in Newt/Palin/Santorum, and the rest of the stupid bigots.

They all represent them, quite well.

The tasty icing on the cake is that they get each other too.

264 labman57  Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:02:02am

The Republican Party's task is to thread a political needle -- find a candidate irrational enough to placate the ideologically self-serving corporate-controlled conservative base as well as the homophobic extremists of the Religious Right, the racist never-say-die birther contingent, and the xenophobic, secession-happy Tea Party loons, yet rational enough to satisfy the rest of America.

The current batch of potential Republican candidates is so pathetically weak and so obsessed with coddling billionaires, religious fanatics, and tea party extremists, Obama needs to be concerned about becoming complacent in his preparations for the 2012 campaign.

Newt "Blame the Media" Gingrich and Mitt "Greed is Good" Romney have been attempting to squeeze through the needle's eye, as evidenced by their commitment to the philosophy of political contrarianism -- if Obama is for it, they will be against it, no matter what it happens to be ... even if it is a policy or program that they once championed. In an effort to garner support from both moderates and tea party/conservative extremists, Mitt has been flip-flopping more frequently than a freshly-hooked fish on land. And it would appear that Romney's Mormon faith can't pass the Republican Party's Christian purity test. With Newt, we get a sanctimonious, hypocritical race-baiter who is long on ego, short on ethics.

Most Americans can only tolerate a limited amount of inane and irrational commentary from our candidates for national office. With Santorum, we would be inundated with a daily barrage of sanctimonious and socially regressive religious doctrine-driven societal intolerance, comic book-level analyses of complex issues, and delusional tripe based on unbridled scientific and historical ignorance of the topics being discussed.

Ron Paul's brand of Libertarianism is so extreme that it borders on anarchism, making him a tea party favorite, but simultaneously completely unappealing to just about everyone else.

Bottom line: The Republican Party, anxiously awaiting the arrival of a rational, viable candidate for the 2012 general election for the presidency, is giving their modern day interpretation of "Waiting for Godot".


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