Romney: Obama Has Let Down These Servants Who Bring Us Our Finger Food

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Speaking at the exclusive River Hills Club in Jackson, Mississippi, where wealthy donors paid up to $50,000 to see him, Mitt Romney pointed at the waiters serving the elite crowd and said Barack Obama has let them down.

Addressing 300 contributors who paid $2,500, $10,000 or $50,000 to hear him speak, Romney acknowledged that the people in the room were well-off compared to many Americans. It was the middle class that had been let down by Obama, Romney said, and he pointed to the wait staff serving finger foods as an example.

“It’s tough being middle class in America right now,” Romney said. “The waiters and waitresses that come in and out of this room and offer us refreshments, they’re not having a good year. The people of the middle class of America are really struggling. And they’re struggling I think in a way because they’re surprised because when they voted for Barack Obama…he promised them that things were going to get a heck a lot of better. He promised hope and change and they’re still waiting.”

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317 comments
1 freetoken  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:01:09pm

Oh, the burden, the burden, how heavy it must be.

2 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:01:37pm

Upstairs people are supposed to look after Downstairs people.

3 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:02:24pm

Oh man. I've waited tables. If there's one thing waiters just fucking love it's being talked about in the third person while they're standing right there.

How utterly goddamned tactless can a guy get.

4 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:03:29pm

Such a patronizing asshole. Screw off, Mitt.

5 Gus  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:04:45pm

Finger food? Seriously? Romney said, finger food?

6 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:05:05pm

If Obama let them down, then Romney's about to toss them off a cliff.
Metaphorically speaking.

7 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:06:12pm

re: #6 Varek Raith

If Obama let them down, then Romney's about to toss them off a cliff.
Metaphorically speaking.

No kidding. He's not fooling anyone when he condescendingly tries to pretend like he gives a damn about those less well off than him.

8 jaunte  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:07:02pm
"The key to financial success, he said, is "economic freedom." Romney regularly contends that Obama's economic policies - which he describes as higher taxes and more regulations - are stifling innovation and entrepreneurship that drive the U.S economy. "

Gabriel Thompson:

"Everyone Only Wants Temps"

My stint doing "on demand" grunt work for one of America's hottest growth industries.

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9 Mich-again  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:07:26pm

You're making this shit up right??

10 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:07:40pm

Fuck you Willard. You think people waiting tables are middle class? You think those people waiting tables think you or your rich buddies give a shit about them? They know better.

11 Gus  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:08:20pm

They were probably "waiters" for the catering company. Normally they don't work for tips at these places save for the bar. Maybe yes, maybe no.

12 Gus  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:08:43pm

They have a terrible website.

13 Mich-again  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:09:06pm

Ha.. I wonder if any of the donors who paid $10,000 tipped their waitress the customary 20%..

14 dragonath  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:10:19pm

re: #12 Gus

Ah, the smell of freshly mulched asshole.

15 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:10:41pm

... and many pubes were thrown in "no charge" that night.

16 jaunte  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:11:28pm
“It’s tough being middle class in America right now,” Romney said. “The waiters and waitresses that come in and out of this room and offer us refreshments, they’re not having a good year."

I doubt being used this way helped convert any of them to Romney voters.

17 freetoken  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:11:29pm

re: #12 Gus

They have a terrible website.

They don't want to pay the little people to work on these things any more than necessary.

18 majii  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:11:31pm

This is another example of how out of touch Romney is. Most of the waiters/waitresses probably have second jobs. Waiters/waitresses don't even make minimum wage, so it's difficult to be classified as middle class if your only job is waiting tables. I remember reading on the Think Progress site that the Romneys only paid their maids @$26,000/yr, and it was in reference to Romney classifying them as earning a middle class wage. Cheap azz.

19 aagcobb  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:11:54pm

The problem for non-college educated men is that the manufacturing jobs which once paid good wages are gone, sent overseas by men like Romney, and they aren't coming back. This problem was papered over by the housing construction boom, but now those jobs are gone, and they aren't coming back either. Giving trillions of dollars in new tax cuts to Romney's buddies won't bring them back, because they will invest that money in new operations abroad. The only things that will help are investment in infrastructure and education, things Romney plans to gut to pay for tax cuts for the 0.01%.

20 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:12:28pm

re: #8 jaunte

From what I've seen, one of the worst practices of those companies is to dangle the prospect of permanent employment after 90 days. The temps work their asses off only to be let go before they are eligable for benefits.

21 Mich-again  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:12:35pm

Mitt should have pointed out the guys who were "Workin at the Car Wash" because I know they could have used that song, its on Kid's Bop.

22 Acemarilllion  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:13:44pm

Middle class servers?

Next up: trip to supermarket for genuine puzzlement by checkout scanner.

23 darthstar  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:14:31pm

I'd like to thank all the little people, but there are so many little people I can't remember their names...Fuck little people...I like BIG people...People with money.
--Romney channeling Lou Reed's "Take No Prisoners" concert...

24 Gus  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:14:41pm

re: #17 freetoken

They don't want to pay the little people to work on these things any more than necessary.

An austere world of penny pinchers and "free men."

25 freetoken  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:15:08pm

re: #12 Gus

They have a terrible website.

The scope of improvements begins with the new 24,000 sq.ft. clubhouse and includes and expanded fitness center, Pool Cabana, new Teen Wing located by our Jr. Olympic sized pool and state-of-the-art Hydro tennis courts.

"Hydro tennis court"... I don't even know what that is. I guess that is proof that I'm just hoi polloi

26 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:15:38pm

re: #22 Acemarilllion

Middle class servers?

Next up: trip to supermarket for genuine puzzlement by checkout scanner.

Man's just a tank ride away from becoming the biggest joke to ever run for the presidency.

27 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:15:48pm

re: #22 Acemarilllion

Middle class servers?

Next up: trip to supermarket for genuine puzzlement by checkout scanner.

Maybe he'll be attacked by applesauce like McCain.

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28 darthstar  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:16:08pm

re: #22 Acemarilllion

Middle class servers?

Next up: trip to supermarket for genuine puzzlement by checkout scanner.

Bush 41 was awed by the food-product-scanning-device thingy in 1992...it didn't work so well for him. When Bush 43 got to a grocery store, he acted like he knew exactly what that thingy with the hologram lighty thing was.

29 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:16:12pm

I like his fantasy that they're surprised and disappointed in Barack Obama. Yeah. That's the ticket, Romney. Don't bother to ask them, though, just speak for them. They fucking love that.

30 darthstar  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:17:43pm

re: #25 freetoken

"Hydro tennis court"... I don't even know what that is. I guess that is proof that I'm just hoi polloi

I've played on asphalt, I've played on clay...I've even played on grass (both the court and the attitude adjuster)...I've never played on hydro.

31 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:17:51pm

re: #29 Obdicut

I like his fantasy that they're surprised and disappointed in Barack Obama. Yeah. That's the ticket, Romney. Don't bother to ask them, though, just speak for them. They fucking love that.

Surprised he didn't bring one of the plebes up and try to "connect" with them by asking them how hard it's been on them, striving to survive after being "let down" by Obama.

32 Mich-again  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:18:13pm

re: #19 aagcobb

The problem for non-college educated men is that the manufacturing jobs which once paid good wages are gone, sent overseas by men like Romney, and they aren't coming back.

Oh I wouldn't say they aren't coming back. A lot of them never left. But as for who to blame for all the offshoring, we all played a part by choosing to buy cheap imports for whatever reason.

33 Gus  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:18:56pm

If we're doing "tradition" then wait staff has always been: actors; artists; cat ladies; MENSA members; the biker lady...

So Romney does this act. He's in the middle of his speech and sees the wait staff and thinks, "I'm doing it for these little people."

34 Gus  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:19:45pm

How about we give Mitt Romney a nice around of applause here.
-- Mitt Romney

35 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:19:49pm

re: #29 Obdicut

I like his fantasy that they're surprised and disappointed in Barack Obama. Yeah. That's the ticket, Romney. Don't bother to ask them, though, just speak for them. They fucking love that.

The more His Mittness speaks, the more he cements the public perception that he's an elitist douchebag. The man is clueless about how life really is for those who aren't fortunate to be in the same social strata as he is and is extremely tone-deaf as hell about the shit that spews from his piehole.

36 darthstar  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:20:32pm

re: #31 Targetpractice

Surprised he didn't bring one of the plebes up and try to "connect" with them by asking them how hard it's been on them, striving to survive after being "let down" by Obama.

Makes me want to take a job working for a catering company so I can get a gig at a Romney event...when he talks condescendingly about 'the help', drop whatever tray I'm holding and shout, "Fuck you, asshole...I'm not your goddamn pet." Then wink at the tables closest to me and whisper, "I'm only kidding...I just want to see how he handles criticism under pressure."

37 aagcobb  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:21:44pm

re: #32 Mich-again

Oh I wouldn't say they aren't coming back. A lot of them never left. But as for who to blame for all the offshoring, we all played a part by choosing to buy cheap imports for whatever reason.

From the article, "Between 1998 and 2007, the share of lower-education men employed in manufacturing fell from 15 to 10 percent."

38 dragonath  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:21:57pm

Romney probably goes to sleep every night dreaming he could run a campaign like William McKinley, hanging out at home and wishing people would come to him.

39 jaunte  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:23:06pm

re: #32 Mich-again

Oh I wouldn't say they aren't coming back. A lot of them never left. But as for who to blame for all the offshoring, we all played a part by choosing to buy cheap imports for whatever reason.

Remember Wal-Mart’s “Buy American” program?

"The real import of the “Buy American” campaign lies elsewhere. Wal-Mart would increase domestic purchasing, but the company used the prospect of such procurement as a hammer to drive down supplier costs, including wages and profits, and to transform these vendors into Bentonville pawns. “One of our big objectives” in the “Buy American” program, a Wal-Mart board member told Walton biographer Bob Ortega, “was to put the heat on American manufacturers to lower their prices.” Wal-Mart recognized that labor costs were much higher in the United States than in Central America or East Asia, but it sought to make up the difference by freezing wages and forcing logistic and production efficiencies on its suppliers. “Our American suppliers,” said Sam Walton, “must commit to improving their facilities and machinery, remain financially conservative and work to fill our requirements, and most importantly, strive to improve employee productivity.”

40 Gus  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:23:52pm

Golf clap.

41 freetoken  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:28:24pm

re: #12 Gus

They have a terrible website.

But... I see that they do have 13 outdoor courts.

42 Gus  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:29:02pm

re: #41 freetoken

But... I see that they do have 13 outdoor courts.

13? Daring.

43 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:30:40pm

I've known middle class servers, who cleared over $60k per year in the mid nineties. They were knowledgable professionals who'd worked their way into the most lucrative night shifts at a fairly high end restaurant.

Point being I don't think the economic class of the waiters is the most important point here. Rather it's Mitt's classless act of using them as captive examples to the point he was trying to make. Just because somebody's being paid to take your order, recommend wine and bring you food doesn't mean they're there to sit idly by while you condescendingly tell everyone what a bad year you think they're having, who you think they voted for and how surprised and disappointed you're sure they are.

Nobody likes having opinions ascribed to them, having a room full of strangers told how pitiable their shit is, especially in a situation where they have to just stand there and can't respond. That's an unbelievably fucking rude thing to do to people and anybody with even an ounce of common sense would know that.

44 TooManyJens  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:30:56pm

re: #29 Obdicut

Don't bother to ask them, though, just speak for them. They fucking love that.

Don't be silly. You ask people for their opinions. Wait staff aren't people. They don't even have Swiss bank accounts, for Pete's sake!

45 Gus  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:31:16pm

F12berlinetta or Veyron 16.4?

46 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:33:27pm

Veyron.

47 dragonath  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:34:23pm

Seeing how this was a conservative event in Mississippi, I bet that the servers' "tips" were probably Chick Tracts.

48 jaunte  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:34:28pm

re: #45 Gus

Look, a motorized box of Viagra!

49 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:35:30pm

re: #48 jaunte

Look, a motorized box of Viagra!

You sound jealous.
/

50 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:36:00pm

Never let it be said that Willard Mitt Romney is not for the common people! You know, waiters and nail girls and all of that sort.

51 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:37:34pm

The "help" do not like being made an example. Especially by the rich (usually) cheap fucks. Oh Mitt, you have absolutely no clue.

52 freetoken  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:38:34pm

Speaking of Walmart, I see that they are one of the major sponsors of this season's MasterChef US, and each show makes sure that we viewers know the food came from Walmart. In tonight's episode, they have a "cowboy" commenting on one team's meal, saying "This steak is so tender, I didn't think you could get it at Walmart."

Chintzy, real chintzy.

What a low opinion of American television viewers Ramsey (and Fox) must have.

53 jaunte  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:39:51pm

re: #52 freetoken

What a surprise that the most powerful retailer in America can buy and resell steak.

54 Gus  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:43:03pm

re: #52 freetoken

Speaking of Walmart, I see that they are one of the major sponsors of this season's MasterChef US, and each show makes sure that we viewers know the food came from Walmart. In tonight's episode, they have a "cowboy" commenting on one team's meal, saying "This steak is so tender, I didn't think you could get it at Walmart."

Chintzy, real chintzy.

What a low opinion of American television viewers Ramsey (and Fox) must have.

You ever see the daytime Anderson Cooper show?

55 freetoken  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:43:33pm

re: #54 Gus

No.

56 darthstar  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:43:38pm

re: #51 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

The "help" do not like being made an example. Especially by the rich (usually) cheap fucks. Oh Mitt, you have absolutely no clue.

Went salmon fishing yesterday...90 bucks a person +10 for the pole +7 for each downrigger 2 lb weight you use (you go through about 10 on a good day so $70)...so it comes out to be about 200 bucks for the day. One guy does all the bait prep and fish landing for 16 fishermen (and women and girls). One guy asks us what we're tipping - we said "twenty bucks each" and he said, "That much! Holy cow!" and we pointed out the above mentioned work the guy does and that it was only fair. Don't know how well the deck hand did, but if he didn't make 300 in tips after pulling in 30 keepers and tossing at least as many smaller fish ("shakers")...he got screwed.

57 darthstar  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:44:44pm

Bedtime...nighty-night.

58 jaunte  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:44:50pm

More horrifying food news:

[Link: grist.org...]

"I’ve often said that the only real problem with mashed potatoes is that you can’t get them extruded out of a machine in a 7-11, in the form of a spookily liquid glop with gravy. I mean, what even is the point? "

59 Gus  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:45:06pm

re: #55 freetoken

No.

It's goofy.

60 Gus  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:45:31pm

Just about everything on television is goofy.

61 Cheechako  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:45:54pm

Wow! I didn't think a 50 state sweep could be possible but now I think Mitt's trying to make it happen.

62 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:48:19pm

I wonder when he'll start quoting Kipling and blatt about the white man's burden... Sheesh.

63 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:52:55pm

Am I the only one who thinks Mitt would go bath salts crazy if he woke up broke one morning?

64 sagehen  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:54:39pm

re: #8 jaunte

Gabriel Thompson:

"Everyone Only Wants Temps"

My stint doing "on demand" grunt work for one of America's hottest growth industries.

Temping didn't used to suck.

30 years ago, as a fast typist wtih WordPerfect and MSword (plus spelling and punctuation)... I could go to any city in America, and within 3 days have as much or as little work as I wanted, whatever shifts I wanted, and they paid me about 4 times minimum wage. It was awesome. That was, of course, before everybody and their dog turned computer work into something as basic as knowing how to tie your own shoes.

The best advice my mother ever gave me, and the training she insisted on imposing starting when I was pre-adolescent, turned out to only have one generation of value. "A girl who can type will never never have to wait tables." Hah!!

65 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:00:13pm

Well... I'm out.
Have a good night everyone!

66 freetoken  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:01:22pm

There is so much faux drama in MasterChef US that I wonder what is next - a shoe tying "reality" show?

67 JamesWI  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:02:08pm

A clever comment over at the Yahoo version of this story? What is the world coming to???

Mitt's supporters throw a $50,000 per plate dinner and then Mitt stands there and claims that the fact that his supporters are paying the help minimum wage is Obama's fault.

68 freetoken  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:07:29pm

`I Love Lucy' director Bill Asher dies at 90

The director and producer behind the television classics "I Love Lucy" and "Bewitched" has died. Bill Asher was 90.

[...]

69 Gus  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:10:59pm

re: #68 freetoken

`I Love Lucy' director Bill Asher dies at 90

Can't wait for the next super hero movie to come out. I really love those.

//

70 Mattand  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:11:35pm

What's amazing is that Romney seems to think he operates in Get Smart's Cone of Silence when he's talking at fundraisers and similar functions.

I will not be surprised if he has some sort of public meltdown, or completely avoids debating Obama. You could not paint a more accurate portrait of a man who is used to getting his way, suddenly realizing that people aren't going to do what he wants.

71 Gus  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:13:38pm

re: #70 Mattand

What's amazing is that Romney seems to think he operates in Get Smart
's Cone of Silence when he's talking at fundraisers and similar functions.

I will not be surprised if he has some sort of public meltdown, or completely avoids debating Obama. You could not paint a more accurate portrait of a man who is used to getting his way, suddenly realizing that people aren't going to do what he wants.

His campaign manger, Eric Fehrnstrom, is an asshole. True story.

72 freetoken  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:13:56pm

re: #69 Gus

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73 Gus  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:14:43pm

Asshole.

74 Mich-again  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:14:47pm

re: #70 Mattand

I can not help it if there are stupid people who will misinterpret my words.

75 Gus  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:14:58pm

re: #72 freetoken

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What's that?

76 Gus  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:16:42pm

Lame sideburns. Dorky wannabe glass frames.

77 freetoken  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:18:17pm

re: #75 Gus

The theme song of Bewitched, a show of the now late Mr. Asher.

78 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:19:56pm

re: #72 freetoken

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LOVED that show! TV isn't the same nowadays!
Yes, get off my lawn!

79 Gus  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:23:36pm

re: #77 freetoken

The theme song of Bewitched, a show of the now late Mr. Asher.

Oh yeah. Elizabeth was great.

80 Flavia  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:30:59pm

re: #25 freetoken

"Hydro tennis court"... I don't even know what that is. I guess that is proof that I'm just hoi polloi

Updinged for proper usage of the term "hoi polloi"!!

81 Gus  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:35:28pm

Iran drought part of 'soft war' by West: VP

Love the hat.

82 Gus  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:37:49pm

Woody Allen will some day be long dead and gone. But we will always have the Irans, Venezuelas, Cubas, North Koreas, to make us think... bananas.

83 freetoken  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 11:11:51pm

Another show from Bill Asher:

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84 freetoken  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 11:17:42pm

Another one:

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85 ozbloke  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 11:22:31pm

I'll take Patty Duke and Gidget for 10 please Mr Adjudicator.

Thanks for the memories...

86 labman57  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 11:24:57pm

Mr. Etch-a-Sketch attempts to hit his reset button -- during yet another condescending speech delivered to his ultra-wealthy donors at an exclusive country club -- by proclaiming that his main concern is the well-being of the poor and middle class ... all evidence to the contrary.

Reality Check -- Mitt Romney doesn't worry about the problems of poor people … because there is a "safety net" … which he wants to defund … because people (including single, full-time moms) who depend upon financial assistance such as food stamps lack dignity … because you must be completely self-sufficient to have self-worth … unless you inherited vast wealth … in which case you are inherently highly dignified … because you are a person of power and authority … who gets to enjoy the sheer pleasure of firing people … which Mitt did countless times while running Bain Capital, creating huge profits … for himself and his fellow investors … at the expense of fired workers … who, as a result, often joined the growing ranks of poor people in America … which Mitt doesn't worry about.

87 ozbloke  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 11:30:04pm

re: #86 labman57

Mr. Etch-a-Sketch attempts to hit his reset button -- during yet another condescending speech delivered to his ultra-wealthy donors at an exclusive country club -- by proclaiming that his main concern is the well-being of the poor and middle class ... all evidence to the contrary.

Reality Check -- Mitt Romney doesn't worry about the problems of poor people … because there is a "safety net" … which he wants to defund … because people (including single, full-time moms) who depend upon financial assistance such as food stamps lack dignity … because you must be completely self-sufficient to have self-worth … unless you inherited vast wealth … in which case you are inherently highly dignified … because you are a person of power and authority … who gets to enjoy the sheer pleasure of firing people … which Mitt did countless times while running Bain Capital, creating huge profits … for himself and his fellow investors … at the expense of fired workers … who, as a result, often joined the growing ranks of poor people in America … which Mitt doesn't worry about.

Scathing and accurate, have an upding.

88 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 11:31:58pm

re: #43 goddamnedfrank

That's an unbelievably fucking rude thing to do to people and anybody with even an ounce of common sense would know that.

You know we're talking about Mitt Romney, right?

89 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 11:35:23pm

re: #85 ozbloke

I'll take Patty Duke and Gidget for 10 please Mr Adjudicator.

Thanks for the memories...

"still, they're cousins, identical cousins, and you'll find..."

90 ozbloke  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 11:40:54pm

re: #89 engineer cat

"still, they're cousins, identical cousins, and you'll find..."

They took me back half way through last century, ahh the memories.

Speaking of which didn't see this mentioned today:

Deep Purple keyboard player Jon Lord dies

Jon Lord, the keyboardist and co-founder of British rock group Deep Purple, has died in a London hospital aged 71, his official website says.

He had been receiving treatment for pancreatic cancer since last August.

"It is with deep sadness we announce the passing of Jon Lord, who suffered a fatal pulmonary embolism today, Monday 16 July at the London Clinic, after a long battle with pancreatic cancer," a message on the website said.

"Jon was surrounded by his loving family."

Lord co-wrote many of Deep Purple's songs, including Smoke On The Water, and went on to play with many other bands and musicians during his career, including Whitesnake.

More...

91 freetoken  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 11:54:05pm

William Asher is responsible for, among many others, this corruption of America's youth:

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92 ozbloke  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:07:40am

re: #91 freetoken

William Asher is responsible for, among many others, this corruption of America's youth:

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Classic

93 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:21:14am

What a fucking douchebag.

94 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:23:19am

re: #91 freetoken

William Asher is responsible for, among many others, this corruption of America's youth:

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Which reminds me...

MST3k 204 - Catalina Caper

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95 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:25:31am

re: #8 jaunte

Gabriel Thompson:

"Everyone Only Wants Temps"

My stint doing "on demand" grunt work for one of America's hottest growth industries.

I somehow think that in an ideal Romney world, the entire US workforce lines up outise the office building like migrants outside a Home Depot. A manager comes and calls for six accountants, three enginers and two IT people, and hires them by the day for eight bucks an hour...

96 Mattand  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:27:18am

re: #94 Kragar

Which reminds me...

MST3k 204 - Catalina Caper

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Rifftrax does Manos! live. Go see this or wallow in the rancid miasma that is your existence.

97 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:29:16am

re: #96 Mattand

Rifftrax does Manos! live. Go see this or wallow in the rancid miasma that is your existence.

Thats right around my birthday. Might have to check it out.

98 Mattand  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:31:47am

re: #97 Kragar

Thats right around my birthday. Might have to check it out.

They do the movie live before an audience and then satellite-broadcast it to theaters throughout our great nation. Saw it last year around this time; I haven't laughed that hard in ages.

A must-ee for all MSTies.

99 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:35:48am

I'm still trying to translate Scottish into English.

"We're invustahgahting a muhrdher din in Edunburrah." I think means that they're investigating a murder down in Edinburgh, but I could be wrong.

100 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:38:50am

re: #99 Kragar

I'm still trying to translate Scottish into English.

"We're invustahgahting a muhrdher din in Edunburrah." I think means that they're investigating a murder down in Edinburgh, but I could be wrong.

My sister-in-law from Glasgow once offered me what I thought was "some tea", but what she really said was some(thing) t(o) ea(t)?

I have learned to listen closely for the grunts and exhalations that remain of the lost and swallowed syllables.

101 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:39:31am

re: #99 Kragar

I'm still trying to translate Scottish into English.

"We're invustahgahting a muhrdher din in Edunburrah." I think means that they're investigating a murder down in Edinburgh, but I could be wrong.

Whit th' hell urr ye gaun oan aboot?

102 freetoken  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:08:12am

Among his very many credits, William Asher also made this show:

MP3 Audio
103 researchok  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:48:12am

Morning, all

104 researchok  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:50:42am

re: #102 freetoken

My brother in law had an orange car.

That sure as hell wasn't why sister married him.

105 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:29:17am

re: #99 Kragar

I'm still trying to translate Scottish into English.

"We're invustahgahting a muhrdher din in Edunburrah." I think means that they're investigating a murder down in Edinburgh, but I could be wrong.

Youtube Video
106 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:31:20am

re: #99 Kragar

I'm still trying to translate Scottish into English.

"We're invustahgahting a muhrdher din in Edunburrah." I think means that they're investigating a murder down in Edinburgh, but I could be wrong.

"Wur investigatin a malkie doon in Embra"

Mair authentic.

107 diamonda2u  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:48:40am

Everytime RMoney opens his mouth, he makes a potential commercial for the Obama campaign.

108 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:14:45am

re: #15 goddamnedfrank

... and many pubes were thrown in "no charge" that night.

It's Jackson, Mississippi, they probably served "Minnie's Special Pie"

109 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:17:38am

Mitt Romney: Lying sack of crap or large bag of douche?

I don't like to see people struggle,but in Mitt's case I'd be willing to watch and giggle while he has to live on 20 grand a year with no help and no contact with his rich ass buddies.

The only reason this fucker is running for office is because he thinks he deserves it more than anyone else. Both he and Ann have said it's their turn. Yeah,well once again I say break out the rusty farm implements and fuck these people. How much money is enough? Seriously,after the first 100 million how much more do you need? What an unlikable asshole.

110 Flounder  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:30:55am

Andy Cuomo's ex had a bad day:
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
Lucky she didn't kill anyone. I hear that Ambien can really mess you up, sleep walking and all. Almost as bad as Chiantix (nightmares!!!)
Good morning y'all!

111 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 5:00:28am

"Not Having a Good Year?" They're getting to see Mitt Romney! They're having a great year!

What an odd thing to say. We've all taken jobs like this at one time or another, for various reasons. Mitt Romney simply doesn't understand "ordinary" people.

112 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 5:03:27am

Mitt Romney's 2006 Financial Disclosure Form shows Mitt invested $1.5 Million Dollars in Iran Oil , but Mitt's Iran Oil Investments, investments that allowed Iran to become a World Oil Supply Leader, were left out of his 2010 Tax Returns, why?

113 Flounder  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 5:46:12am

Hurricane? Typhoon? Plague?
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
Nope, Camp Bisco.
I remember being fat, drunk, stupid and 20 :(

114 Destro  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 5:52:26am

I am trying to figure out how Romney will help busboys and waiters? Up the minimum wage? Nope. Universal health care? Nope. Support them when they unionize to get a better salary or benefits? Nope, unions are evil according to Repubs.

So what the hell will Romney and the friggin Repubs do to help people like them?

Anyone on the right? Anyone?

115 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:03:31am

re: #114 Destro

I am trying to figure out how Romney will help busboys and waiters? Up the minimum wage? Nope. Universal health care? Nope. Support them when they unionize to get a better salary or benefits? Nope, unions are evil according to Repubs.

So what the hell will Romney and the friggin Repubs do to help people like them?

Anyone on the right? Anyone?

THROW MOAR PARTIES!

116 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:16:20am

re: #115 Learned Mother of Zion

THROW MOAR PARTIES!

That's right. "You work 3 jobs, good for you!", at the same time they criticize the people for not spending more time with their kids so they grow up right. Guess the solution is to have the kids clean the toilets and kitchens along with their parent so they can have quality time together.

117 kirkspencer  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:22:18am

re: #116 RayFerd

That's right. "You work 3 jobs, good for you!", at the same time they criticize the people for not spending more time with their kids so they grow up right. Guess the solution is to have the kids clean the toilets and kitchens along with their parent so they can have quality time together.

Well you know, our forefathers had a solution to that. There was the lord of the manor, and there were all the workers who lived in the manor. Or in the case of the less attractive or uncouth in the shanties on the property. Since the children worked right alongside the parents there was plenty of social interaction.

(and I wish ///)

118 darthstar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:31:12am

Mornin' everyone...

119 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:33:01am

re: #118 darthstar

They can get a state ID. The real tragedy is they won't be able to tell if their picture sucks.

/

I lost my ID while traveling. Have to get a new one. This'll be a pain.

120 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:39:39am

re: #116 RayFerd

That's right. "You work 3 jobs, good for you!", at the same time they criticize the people for not spending more time with their kids so they grow up right. Guess the solution is to have the kids clean the toilets and kitchens along with their parent so they can have quality time together.

I remember Rick Santorum once telling us prodly how his grandfather "worked until the day he died".

Just sounds to me like he had a rally shitty pension plan.

121 darthstar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:40:14am

Win

Image: 252606_495057373857054_2018523415_n.jpg

122 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:41:49am
“It’s tough being middle class in America right now,” Romney said

Yeah but aren't they getting all kinds of "free stuff"? /

123 darthstar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:42:14am

re: #122 Bulworth

Yeah but aren't they getting all kinds of "free stuff"? /

Only if they're black. //

124 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:42:58am
“It’s tough being middle class in America right now,” Romney said

"But if you overpaid for your house and you're now underwater, well, sucks to be you."

125 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:43:37am

Well, here we are again, in the morning.

Required morning exercize kitteh.

How are you?

126 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:44:49am

re: #121 darthstar

Win

Image: 252606_495057373857054_2018523415_n.jpg

OMG!!

127 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:45:07am
“It’s tough being middle class in America right now,” Romney said

"But we, and by 'we' I mean these waiters and waitresses people, are all gonna have to tighten our belts and pull ourselves up by our bootstraps."

128 darthstar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:45:46am

re: #125 ggt

Well, here we are again, in the morning.

Required morning exercize kitteh.

How are you?

I'm good...off to accept a job this morning in person. Company #2 was too slow in making an offer, and my efforts to delay company #1 (by asking for an extra 10K) were foiled when they just said, "Yes."

129 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:46:25am

re: #126 ggt

OMG!!

Must be really naughty cuz I can't download it here at the job.

130 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:47:50am

Zimmerman got granted a million dollar bail.

The judge's comments are fucking scathing, though.

Scribd Document
131 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:48:00am
“It’s tough being middle class in America right now,” Romney said

"So I promise all you waiters and waitresses middle class peoples I'm going to get rid of all those government programs that help, I mean hurt you so much. "

132 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:50:02am

re: #112 Learned Mother of Zion

Mitt Romney's 2006 Financial Disclosure Form shows Mitt invested $1.5 Million Dollars in Iran Oil , but Mitt's Iran Oil Investments, investments that allowed Iran to become a World Oil Supply Leader, were left out of his 2010 Tax Returns, why?

Oh My! That should be explosive during the debates.

There are going to be debates aren't there?

133 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:50:56am

re: #128 darthstar

I'm good...off to accept a job this morning in person. Company #2 was too slow in making an offer, and my efforts to delay company #1 (by asking for an extra 10K) were foiled when they just said, "Yes."

CONGRATS!!!!!

(pretend this is a link to the dancing Snoopy gif.)

134 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:54:09am

re: #132 ggt

Oh My! That should be explosive during the debates.

There are going to be debates aren't there?

I thought that was why Steven Tyler quit American Idol - so he could judge the singing competition...

135 darthstar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:56:39am

re: #133 ggt

CONGRATS!!!

(pretend this is a link to the dancing Snoopy gif.)

Next is figuring out how gracefully I want to leave my current company, which screwed me in a major way just a few weeks ago.

136 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:56:50am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. It's going to be a scorcher again today. I was looking through my twitter feed yesterday and noticed someone sent me a link, and it ended up back at the stalker site where they were busy calling me all kinds of names in the book, to say nothing of being a formerly sane poster who's now a Bain troofer.

Unhealthy obsessions by unhealthy folks, I know. But for a site that they repeatedly claim is not relevant, they're spending an inordinate amount of time not only attacking Charles, but those who post here (myself included). I'm rather amused by being called a Bain troofer, considering that Romney himself has made hash of his work and time at Bain. Can I be forgiven for knowing (and noting) what the IRS and SEC would consider to be a responsible person for purposes of tax liabilities and how Romney's name was indicated on any number of SEC filings from 1999 to 2002 as a managing partner?

These clueless folks think I'm accusing Romney of malfeasance, but they ignore that I've done no such thing. I've simply pointed out the inconsistencies with his timeline and what could have happened. Speculated about the terms of that severance deal, but also what the IRS or SEC would think of any of that.

I know, I've spent more time dealing with the stalkers than I should, but thought it worth sharing...

137 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:57:09am

Morning Lizardim from the bloody hot wild north country. We're on track to break the record for number of consecutive days above 80 degrees, set back in the 1930's, I believe. All the heat must be increasing the derp quotient up here; Tim Pawlenty's name being bandied about as a potential Vice Presidential candidate has energized the lakeside nutjobs in our fair state. Ugh. I'm getting too old to deal with this.

I'm also pondering the best way to politely post on my Facebook that I will absolutely not be voting Republican this fall, whether or not I vote for the President. (I am still undecided there.) I'm sure that will gain a number of strong negative reactions from some Teabagger friends of mine.

138 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:59:17am

re: #137 thedopefishlives

I'm also pondering the best way to politely post on my Facebook that I will absolutely not be voting Republican this fall, whether or not I vote for the President. (I am still undecided there.) I'm sure that will gain a number of strong negative reactions from some Teabagger friends of mine.

As a rule, I keep politics off FB, thats what blogs like this one are for.

139 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:01:14am

re: #138 Expand Your Ground

As a rule, I keep politics off FB, thats what blogs like this one are for.

Yeah, I know. I just cringe whenever my one Teabagger friend goes off on a Nirther-style anti-Obama rant. I'm considering also making some changes to the way I access my Facebook so I don't have to see crap from people like him.

140 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:02:23am

re: #139 thedopefishlives

That might be the best option - or simply scroll past. No sense getting worked up by it.

141 GunstarGreen  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:04:30am

re: #114 Destro

I am trying to figure out how Romney will help busboys and waiters? Up the minimum wage? Nope. Universal health care? Nope. Support them when they unionize to get a better salary or benefits? Nope, unions are evil according to Repubs.

So what the hell will Romney and the friggin Repubs do to help people like them?

Anyone on the right? Anyone?

The answer is always "trickle down" (although nowadays they say "job creators" as they've realized that most people have by now figured out that trickle down is a scam).

This despite the hard data available that real compensation for working-class folks has stagnated for the last thirty years, while real compensation for executives has skyrocketed.

Oh, something's trickling down alright. But it ain't money.

142 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:04:45am

Meanwhile, soon to be GOP presidential nominee Rick Santorum says:

nominating pro-choice VP candidate is “non-negotiable”

143 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:09:10am
I am trying to figure out how Romney will help busboys and waiters? Up the minimum wage? Nope. Universal health care? Nope. Support them when they unionize to get a better salary or benefits? Nope, unions are evil according to Repubs.

So what the hell will Romney and the friggin Repubs do to help people like them?

Anyone on the right? Anyone?

Well that's easy. Universal health care, the minimum wage, and unions all hurt low to middle class people. Who says? Romney and the teabag party say so. That's who.

144 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:10:06am

re: #135 darthstar

Next is figuring out how gracefully I want to leave my current company, which screwed me in a major way just a few weeks ago.

Congratulations. Take the highest possible road, with a subtle demonstration that "they" could not travel it.

145 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:12:35am

re: #135 darthstar

Next is figuring out how gracefully I want to leave my current company, which screwed me in a major way just a few weeks ago.

Congratulations. Generally, I try to be polite and civil even with companies that have mistreated me. That way, I can usually at least salvage some contacts in the industry, and some good references moving forward.

146 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:13:36am

re: #143 Bulworth

Well that's easy. Universal health care, the minimum wage, and unions all hurt low to middle class people. Who says? Romney and the teabag party say so. That's who.

Yes, America was built on rugged individualism and self-reliance.

Which is why we expect individuals and families to negotiate on an individual basis with multi-billion dollar, multinational corporations for things like terms of employment, health insurance and bank loans...

147 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:17:50am

re: #112 Learned Mother of Zion

Mitt Romney's 2006 Financial Disclosure Form shows Mitt invested $1.5 Million Dollars in Iran Oil , but Mitt's Iran Oil Investments, investments that allowed Iran to become a World Oil Supply Leader, were left out of his 2010 Tax Returns, why?

I hardly think a 1.5 MILLION dollar investment "allowed" a multi trillion dollar state industry to "become a World Oil Supply Leader"

148 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:18:57am

Senate Report: HSBC allowed money laundering that benefited terrorists and drug cartels.

A "pervasively polluted" culture at HSBC allowed the bank to act as financier to clients moving shadowy funds from the world's most dangerous and secretive corners, including Mexico, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Syria, according to a scathing U.S. Senate report issued on Monday.

The report [link to PDF here] which comes ahead of a Senate hearing on Tuesday, said large amounts of Mexican drug money was likely to have passed through the bank.

HSBC's U.S. division provided money and banking services to some banks in Saudi Arabia and Bangladesh believed to have helped fund al-Qaida and other terrorist groups, according to an Al-Jazeera story on the report.

HSBC admits to having lax oversight and has apologized, and it's likely that HSBC will end up paying fines to settle the claims that they transferred billions of dollars from Mexican operations to the US; amounts that could only be the result of drug operations.

149 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:19:34am

re: #147 sattv4u2

I hardly think a 1.5 MILLION dollar investment "allowed" a multi trillion dollar state industry to "become a World Oil Supply Leader"

did not "allow", but it certainly helped, even if only to a slight extent. Point is, it will be another political embarrassment and albatross around his neck.

150 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:20:20am

re: #135 darthstar

Next is figuring out how gracefully I want to leave my current company, which screwed me in a major way just a few weeks ago.

^5

But a word of advice. Even though you're hurting from the "screwed me in a major way just a few weeks ", leave on a good note. Don't burn the bridges because you never know who the toll keeper will be next time you and they cross paths. It just may be someone there that you're still okay with

151 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:20:39am

re: #148 lawhawk

Senate Report: HSBC allowed money laundering that benefited terrorists and drug cartels.

HSBC admits to having lax oversight and has apologized, and it's likely that HSBC will end up paying fines to settle the claims that they transferred billions of dollars from Mexican operations to the US; amounts that could only be the result of drug operations.

But they will stil insist that financial regulations are a bad form of government interference...

152 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:20:51am

My morning, hopefully not to disjointed, rant. Inspired by the people on my FB posting political stuff about Obama's "if you own a business, you didn't do it alone" statement.

153 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:22:01am

re: #148 lawhawk

Senate Report: HSBC allowed money laundering that benefited terrorists and drug cartels.


HSBC admits to having lax oversight and has apologized, and it's likely that HSBC will end up paying fines to settle the claims that they transferred billions of dollars from Mexican operations to the US; amounts that could only be the result of drug operations.

But it's SOCIALISM to expect a bank to put aside profit making and look at the ethics of where the money came from and what it is being used for.
///

154 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:24:22am

K Kiddies

Off to beddy by to try to get some shut eye! This overnight stuff is playing havoc with my body clock

155 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:24:37am

re: #153 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

But it's SOCIALISM to expect a bank to put aside profit making and look at the ethics of where the money came from and what it is being used for.
///

Right, but we have to drug test welfare recipients. And before any wingnut says," But we are giving the welfare people our tax money" remember, we are giving the banks and the oil companies our tax money too.

156 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:25:21am

re: #147 sattv4u2

I hardly think a 1.5 MILLION dollar investment "allowed" a multi trillion dollar state industry to "become a World Oil Supply Leader"

Yeah, I took a quick glimpse at that one too. Meh.

157 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:27:19am

re: #156 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I took a quick glimpse at that one too. Meh.

I mean, 1.5 million worth of oil is probably leaked out of a faulty valve on a daily basis. The investment isn't even a "drop in the bucket" in the big picture

158 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:27:21am

re: #156 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I took a quick glimpse at that one too. Meh.

Just another glaring embarrassment. Let him try to attack Obama now for being "sort on Iran"...

159 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:30:09am

re: #157 sattv4u2

I mean, 1.5 million worth of oil is probably leaked out of a faulty valve on a daily basis. The investent isn't even a "drop in the bucket" in the big picture

I think it cost $300M to build a bridge across a little river I live near. Of course, this involved re-routing traffic thru town, sidewalks moved etc.

160 allegro  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:31:30am

Always an excuse... he didn't know... wasn't responsible... technicalities... it was only $1.5 million...

Honest to Pete, y'all. How far are you going to contuinue to defend this guy?

161 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:32:52am

re: #160 allegro

Always an excuse... he didn't know... wasn't responsible... technicalities... it was only $1.5 million...

Honest to Pete, y'all. How far are you going to keep going to defend this guy?

As far as the ridiculous lengths people will go to attack him!

162 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:32:59am

re: #160 allegro

Always an excuse... he didn't know... wasn't responsible... technicalities... it was only $1.5 million...

Honest to Pete, y'all. How far are you going to keep going to defend this guy?

As far as it takes until the debut performance of "Springtime for Romney election.

163 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:34:24am

HE EATS BABIES
HE LEASHED A DOG TO HIS BUMPER WHILE ON THE HIGHWAY
HE'S RICH!
HE OWNS HOUSES

164 allegro  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:35:42am

re: #161 sattv4u2

As far as the ridiculous lengths people will go to attack him!

Ridiculous? Seriously?

I guess I don't see a man's character, work history (yanno, the qualifications he's actually running on), and policy positions ridiculous things to consider for the office and power of POTUS. In fact, they're pretty basic.

165 kirkspencer  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:36:16am

re Romney's Iranian investment, I agree it probably didn't "allow" their dominance.

On the other hand we've had sanctions against doing business with Iran since 1979. They're not absolute sanctions but instead constrain certain industries and put caps on the total amount that can be invested.

Romney's investment skirted but apparently did not cross those sanction lines. He obeyed the letter of the law.

Unfortunately for him, the spirit also matters to the public opinion.

166 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:36:46am

re: #164 allegro

Ridiculous? Seriously?

SEE 163

And only one of those is satire!

167 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:37:29am

re: #165 kirkspencer

probably

Only "probably" didn't!!!?!?

shhheeeeshh

Thanks for making my point!

168 allegro  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:38:28am

re: #163 sattv4u2

HE EATS BABIES
HE LEASHED A DOG TO HIS BUMPER WHILE ON THE HIGHWAY
HE'S RICH!
HE OWNS HOUSES

The particulars that are being defended, however, have not been made up like your list. This IS ridiculous. But you know that. Nice try for a diversion though.

169 William of Orange  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:38:44am

Jon Stewart is BACK!

And boy.... did he deliver!

I think Romney my have wished he wasn't retroactively born!

170 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:39:14am

re: #168 allegro

The particulars that are being defended, however, have not been made up like your list. This IS ridiculous. But you know that. Nice try for a diversion though.

Really!

he's not been attacked for being rich, owning multiple homes and the dog incident! "made up"

heh

171 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:39:58am

Bed time!

WAIT ,,, SATTYS RICH ,, HE HAS A BED!!!

172 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:41:26am

re: #161 sattv4u2

As far as the ridiculous lengths people will go to attack him!

you can call it "attacking" him, or you can call it "getting a clearer picture of the sort of 'business experience' he says will help him be a better president"

173 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:42:11am

What a fucking tool.

174 gwangung  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:42:43am

re: #170 sattv4u2

Really!

he's not been attacked for being rich, owning multiple homes and the dog incident! "made up"

heh

Sorry, this is ridiculous. Don't insult our intelligence with this.

175 iossarian  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:44:02am

Ah, Iran.

One minute it's the MOST EVIL PLACE IN THE WOOOOORLD!!!

The next it's a perfectly acceptable place to seek high-return investments.

176 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:44:11am

Some people do get overhyped and start to see a smoking gun or felonious intent.

I hardly think this is the case, it is just indicitave of a successful businessman who nonetheless has no business becoming Chief Executive of the USA.

177 allegro  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:46:11am

re: #175 iossarian

Ah, Iran.

One minute it's the MOST EVIL PLACE IN THE WOOORLD!!!

The next it's a perfectly acceptable place to seek high-return investments.

From what we've been seeing, there is no money-making opportunity that hasn't been just fine for Romney. Not a problem for a businessman, I suppose, who can justify any action as being righteous if a profit is made. It is a pretty big issue for a man who wants the job of POTUS and clearly the Romney campaign knows it. So do we.

178 Destro  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:47:02am

re: #177 allegro

From what we've been seeing, there is no money-making opportunity that hasn't been just fine for Romney. Not a problem for a businessman, I suppose, who can justify any action as being righteous if a profit is made. It is a pretty big issue for a man who wants the job of POTUS and clearly the Romney campaign knows it. So do we.

To be a Reagan era corporate capitalist is to be a sociopath.

179 kirkspencer  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:47:05am

re: #167 sattv4u2

probably

Only "probably" didn't!!!?!?

shhheeeshh

Thanks for making my point!

I challenge you to prove it absolutely had no impact in making a difference. Until then probably is the correct word.

180 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:49:02am

re: #169 William of Orange

Jon Stewart is BACK!

And boy... did he deliver!

I think Romney my have wished he wasn't retroactively born!

"worse use of a time machine"

ROTFL

181 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:49:04am

re: #179 kirkspencer

I challenge you to prove it absolutely had no impact in making a difference. Until then probably is the correct word.

one and a half million is an irrelevant sum.

say, could you loan me a million and a half until next thursday?

.

182 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:50:11am

have a great day all!

183 allegro  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:50:30am

There is a monkey looking in my window. A primate peeping tom.

184 kirkspencer  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:52:13am

re: #179 kirkspencer

I challenge you to prove it absolutely had no impact in making a difference. Until then probably is the correct word.

To expand, in no small part it depends on what the actual investment was. If it was cash, then the amount is the amount. If on the other hand it was valued stock, I will remind you that this appears to be how $6000 per year over 30 or so years turns into a $100 million IRA. It might have been 'services valued at' in which case the actual services matter a lot.

Probably it was cash or cash equivalent, and probably it wasn't a keystone investment. I don't know, though, and neither do you.

185 Destro  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:52:34am

re: #176 Expand Your Ground

Some people do get overhyped and start to see a smoking gun or felonious intent.

I hardly think this is the case, it is just indicitave of a successful businessman who nonetheless has no business becoming Chief Executive of the USA.

Romney is claiming he was a figurehead CEO and an absentee owner. In other words, he is the prefect Republican presidential material.

186 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 7:59:48am

re: #165 kirkspencer

re Romney's Iranian investment, I agree it probably didn't "allow" their dominance.

On the other hand we've had sanctions against doing business with Iran since 1979. They're not absolute sanctions but instead constrain certain industries and put caps on the total amount that can be invested.

Romney's investment skirted but apparently did not cross those sanction lines. He obeyed the letter of the law.

Unfortunately for him, the spirit also matters to the public opinion.

Let's bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. Just don't hit my investments.

187 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:01:53am

Until 2002, Mitt's main incentive ws to make money however and wherever possible. After that, it switched to winning elections.

Now it is turning out that the two are somewhat mutually exclusive if studied and compared too closely.

188 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:03:29am

Heh...I'd be willing to bet $10,000 that Mitt lost more votes for asking that if woman if her cookies were from 7-11 than because of supposed attacks from the left.
Wealth doesn't give him the right to be an ass to the people he expects to hire him.

189 allegro  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:04:53am

re: #187 Expand Your Ground

Until 2002, Mitt's main incentive ws to make money however and wherever possible. After that, it switched to winning elections.

Now it is turning out that the two are somewhat mutually exclusive if studied and compared too closely.

It's called "conflict of interest." It appears that a whole lot of Mitt's interests are in direct conflict with the interests of the public he now wants to lead. Blind trust? LOL. Right.

190 Destro  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:05:26am

re: #188 OhNoZombies!

Heh...I'd be willing to bet $10,000 that Mitt lost more votes for asking that if woman if her cookies were from 7-11 than because of supposed attacks from the left.
Wealth doesn't give him the right to be an ass to the people he expects to hire him.

That is the think Mitt forgets. he is not running to be our boss. He is running to be in effect the people's secretary.

191 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:06:37am

Looks like there's some speculation that the VP pick could come soon and that they've already decided.

192 erik_t  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:08:18am

re: #191 HappyWarrior

Looks like there's some speculation that the VP pick could come soon and that they've already decided.

Please, God, be Pawlenty. I need a laugh today.

193 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:08:38am

bbl

194 allegro  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:09:06am

re: #191 HappyWarrior

Looks like there's some speculation that the VP pick could come soon and that they've already decided.

What I find most interesting is not the why of the person Romney picks, but the why of anyone who would join this loser's ticket.

195 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:09:17am

re: #191 HappyWarrior

Looks like there's some speculation that the VP pick could come soon and that they've already decided.

My money's on Portman, he's bland enough and virtually unknown to most of the public.

196 erik_t  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:09:32am

re: #195 Targetpractice

My money's on Portman, he's bland enough and virtually unknown to most of the public.

Who?

/

197 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:10:27am

re: #192 erik_t

Please, God, be Pawlenty. I need a laugh today.

I think he fits the bill. Not sure though.

198 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:13:02am

Portman was the Director of the
office of Management and Budget for W. That may not work in his favor.

199 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:15:16am

re: #198 OhNoZombies!

Portman was the Director of the
office of Management and Budget for W. That may not work in his favor.

Better than others I've heard. Pawlenty would get roasted on a spit for being a loony, Jindal has already made a joke of himself with bits like "volcano research," and Ryan...well, if Romney goes with Ryan, then it's all over but the crying.

200 erik_t  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:17:14am

re: #198 OhNoZombies!

Portman was the Director of the
office of Management and Budget for W. That may not work in his favor.

A candidate's previous experience in government is, uh, not exactly the focus of the Romney campaign. We're more likely to hear about Portman's experience waiting tables as a teenager. SEE, LITTLE PEOPLE, HE UNDERSTANDS YOU!!!1

201 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:18:37am

re: #200 erik_t

A candidate's previous experience in government is, uh, not exactly the focus of the Romney campaign. We're more likely to hear about Portman's experience waiting tables as a teenager. SEE, LITTLE PEOPLE, HE UNDERSTANDS YOU!!!1

That's like "little people, I will crush your heads with my fingers", is it not?
;)

202 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:18:54am

re: #200 erik_t

A candidate's previous experience in government is, uh, not exactly the focus of the Romney campaign. We're more likely to hear about Portman's experience waiting tables as a teenager. SEE, LITTLE PEOPLE, HE UNDERSTANDS YOU!!!1

Ha !!!

203 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:20:06am

And the Romney campaign continues its frantic search for some way to change the subject:

Does President Obama Think You Didn’t Build Your Business? No.

Mitt Romney and an array of surrogates are mocking President Obama for remarks he made defending public investments in infrastructure, accusing him of arrogantly claiming credit for small businesses’ hard work and risk-taking. But it takes an Olympic-level gymnastic leap to make the attack work as advertised.

The Romney campaign is seizing on a specific line the president said at a campaign event in Virginia on Monday: “If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” Or, as a Romney press release blared: “OBAMA, TO BUSINESS OWNERS: ‘YOU DIDN’T BUILD THAT.’”

Willard, buddy, pal, Fox played you for a sucker.

204 iossarian  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:20:14am

re: #194 allegro

What I find most interesting is not the why of the person Romney picks, but the why of anyone who would join this loser's ticket.

Money?

205 iossarian  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:21:05am

re: #203 Targetpractice

And the Romney campaign continues its frantic search for some way to change the subject:

Does President Obama Think You Didn’t Build Your Business? No.

Willard, buddy, pal, Fox played you for a sucker.

I'm sure factcheck will be right along to debunk this claim by Romney, with politico not far behind!

/

206 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:25:07am

And Romney complains about his actual record being scrutinized.

207 erik_t  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:25:16am

re: #205 iossarian

I'm sure factcheck will be right along to debunk this claim by Romney, with politico not far behind!

/

"Since Obama apparently doesn't believe that every small business owner laid brick after brick in the actual construction of their physical place of business, we rate Romney's attack Partially True."

208 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:26:55am

Obama actually raises a very true point that I believe Elizabeth Warren has that the entrepreneur isn't truly the rugged individual. He deserves commendation but he cannot act like it was he alone the reason his business succeeded.

209 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:29:04am

The Free Market is not some ideal state of humanity, it is a human institution, one that requires a functioning physical and legal infrastructure in order to operate the way it is supposed to.

It also requires a healthy, educated and generally law-abiding workforce if entrepreneurs expect to succeed at their undertakings.

Who is going to guarantee that? Private enterprise? They are too busy making money to worry about those details.

210 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:29:51am

re: #208 HappyWarrior

Obama actually raises a very true point that I believe Elizabeth Warren has that the entrepreneur isn't truly the rugged individual. He deserves commendation but he cannot act like it was he alone the reason his business succeeded.

Saying "I succeeded totally without the education I received from the public school system, built my empire without relying on the publicly built and maintained infrastructure, and made my millions without exploiting various and sundry incentives/subsidies/credits in the tax code" should be the sort of thing that pegs even the most cynical voters bullshit-meter.

211 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:30:57am

re: #210 Targetpractice

Saying "I succeeded totally without the education I received from the public school system, built my empire without relying on the publicly built and maintained infrastructure, and made my millions without exploiting various and sundry incentives/subsidies/credits in the tax code" should be the sort of thing that pegs even the most cynical voters bullshit-meter.

Yeah yet alot of people believe that. It's understandable why. We want to believe any success we've had is due to us and us only but it really doesn't work that way.

212 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:31:32am

Interesting, but not surprising on the face of it.

Fewer people see college as a good financial investment
And the survey also found that wealthier people were more likely to see college as a good investment than those who make less money. (Unemployment rate for those with college degrees is 4.1% - though that doesn't address whether they are underemployed of course. But they also have the ability to be underemployed at least.)

[Link: lifeinc.today.msnbc.msn.com...]

213 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:32:53am

re: #211 HappyWarrior

Yeah yet alot of people believe that. It's understandable why. We want to believe any success we've had is due to us and us only but it really doesn't work that way.

Someday we will be able to hatch fully-formed human beings from a retort glass, plug in an education chip and send them on their way to fulfill their potential without anyone's assistance.

Then we can have a truly competitive, Randian World Order.

214 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:34:32am

re: #213 Expand Your Ground

Someday we will be able to hatch fully-formed human beings from a retort glass, plug in an education chip and send them on their way to fulfill their potential without anyone's assistance.

Then we can have a truly competitive, Randian World Order.

Or freeze them for a few years and teach them how to crochet while they're under in order to start reducing their violent tendancies. Though that does exclude teaching them how to use the three shells.

215 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:34:52am

re: #213 Expand Your Ground

Someday we will be able to hatch fully-formed human beings from a retort glass, plug in an education chip and send them on their way to fulfill their potential without anyone's assistance.

Then we can have a truly competitive, Randian World Order.

What a Brave New World that shall be.

/

216 iossarian  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:36:17am

re: #212 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Interesting, but not surprising on the face of it.

Fewer people see college as a good financial investment
And the survey also found that wealthier people were more likely to see college as a good investment than those who make less money. (Unemployment rate for those with college degrees is 4.1% - though that doesn't address whether they are underemployed of course. But they also have the ability to be underemployed at least.)

[Link: lifeinc.today.msnbc.msn.com...]

Kids are having a hard time finding jobs out of college, and I say that as a fully paid-up member of the higher education industrial complex.

Wealthy kids have fewer problems because finding jobs is tightly connected, in the US, to your pre-existing socio-economic status. So it's not surprising that wealthy families continue to see college as a good investment, since in their experience it does in fact appear to "lead to a job".

217 erik_t  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:42:22am

re: #208 HappyWarrior

Obama actually raises a very true point that I believe Elizabeth Warren has that the entrepreneur isn't truly the rugged individual. He deserves commendation but he cannot act like it was he alone the reason his business succeeded.

The very most true point is: why do you hate America???

218 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:43:00am

Sheldon Adelson gives $13 million to Birthright, enabling another 5,000 to attend the program in Israel in upcoming year.

If Adelson's name sounds familiar, it's because he's put up more than $100 million to defeat Obama (after giving $20 million to Newt's failed campaign).

Adelson has opposed the 2-state solution and peace process, so that factors into things some. But considering that the Palestinians themselves are incapable of articulating any kind of proposed peace deal with Israel - mostly because Hamas refuses to recognize Israel's existence, let alone existing in the 1948 Green Line or any kind of negotiated borders, Adelson's concerns are overblown.

There's no peace process without partners in peace, and Israel continues to lack the very partner. Abbas is more than willing to limp along in his quasi state; Hamas is more than willing to continue its operations in Gaza as a quasi state. Neither is fully willing or capable of dealing with the other, and neither is going to make peace with Israel and relent on key issues like right of return or the status of Jerusalem.

There's quite a bit of rhetoric about the US diplomatic position on Israel and the peace process but considering that there's nothing to indicate any breakthroughs or even resumption of low level talks, it's all posturing and trying to sway some subset of American Jews who think that the US is (or has been) selling out Israel.

219 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:47:50am

re: #197 HappyWarrior

I think he fits the bill. Not sure though.

Trump!

220 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:49:18am

re: #219 Bulworth

Trump!

Oh man that would be hilarious but not even Romney is that craven.

221 dragonfire1981  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:49:50am

Does anyone have a simple explanation of the U.S. Small Arms Treaty and what impact it would have on the U.S. as far as the access to information on gun owners?

I've been googling but the only stuff I can find is on right wing sites and those articles are more about UN scaremongering than details about the treaty.

Thanks in advance for the help here.

222 GunstarGreen  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:50:26am

re: #203 Targetpractice

And the Romney campaign continues its frantic search for some way to change the subject:

Does President Obama Think You Didn’t Build Your Business? No.

Willard, buddy, pal, Fox played you for a sucker.

And yet, wasn't it Romney who was just days ago crying about, "Boo Hoo, he attacks me because that's all he's got"? And none of the major players in the media are pointing that out?

I don't get it. I seriously don't get it. I don't understand how people stay continually or near-continually engaged with this horseshit, watching grown adults act like this, and not physically explode with blinding rage.

223 Gus  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:51:26am

re: #221 dragonfire1981

Does anyone have a simple explanation of the U.S. Small Arms Treaty and what impact it would have on the U.S. as far as the access to information on gun owners?

I've been googling but the only stuff I can find is on right wing sites and those articles are more about UN scaremongering than details about the treaty.

Thanks in advance for the help here.

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

224 John Vreeland  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:51:32am

Obama Has Let Down These Servants Who Bring Us Our Finger Food...

...and they are too stupid too see it!

225 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:53:27am
“The waiters and waitresses that come in and out of this room and offer us refreshments, they’re not having a good year.

"Let's take Macacca over there..."

226 dragonfire1981  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:56:06am

Also, something I think is often overlooked:

A lot of the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" people have an outdated model in mind when they preach this mantra.

They still think things are like they were, say 40 years ago when you could get a job running a cash register at a grocery store at 19 and slowly move up the ranks and, if you work hard at it, end up as a company executive by the time you're in your 40s.

But it doesn't work that way anymore. The expendable nature of front line labor and the ever growing glass ceiling means that advancement opportunities are harder to come and by no means a given, even for the hardest workers.

Here's a good example: A former manager of mine did a great job, ran his store well, made good money for the company. Basically he did everything right. He wanted to move up, his manager kept telling him it was only a matter of time and to keep doing this and that in the mean time.

Finally, a position at Regional opened up...and the company hired someone who HAD NEVER WORKED THERE before to take the role instead of my manager who had been busting his ass for FIVE years and knew the company inside and out.

The response he got from them was basically a nicely worded version of: Tough shit.

There are MANY front line employees who bust their asses and have remarkably little to show for it. It's not that we don't (I say we because I'm one of them too) want to move up, it's just that it's so damned difficult to do so, even if you're a model employee.

227 iossarian  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:56:11am

re: #224 John Vreeland

Obama Has Let Down These Servants Who Bring Us Our Finger Food...

...and they are too stupid too see it!

Totally. Just like all those nice black people at the NAACP who just don't understand how King Willard of Romney is the best thing that could ever happen to them.

228 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:56:18am

@realDonaldTrump still spewing birther shit.

229 erik_t  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:56:27am

I sure didn't see this coming.

“I am out of politics, and I haven’t seen any of the ads that you’re talking about,” Clinton said, who has appeared in two Romney ads thus far. “But I have to say it’s a waste of money. Everybody knows I ran against President Obama in 2008, that’s hardly news. Everybody knows we ran a hard-fought campaign and he won. And I have been honored to serve as his secretary of state.”

How is campaign formed? How to generate advertisements?

230 dragonfire1981  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 8:56:58am

re: #223 Gus

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

I did find that and I'm not concerned that this treaty will be a threat to the 2nd amendment, but I'm still not sure how it impacts the gun owner information access.

231 Gus  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:02:02am

re: #230 dragonfire1981

I did find that and I'm not concerned that this treaty will be a threat to the 2nd amendment, but I'm still not sure how it impacts the gun owner information access.

It's not about "gun owners" but arms traders. You would have to find the draft treaty.

232 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:02:47am

re: #230 dragonfire1981

It can't affect anything since there's no treaty. Nothing has been agreed to by the international community, and there's nothing for the Senate to ratify, let alone the President to sign.

Sec. State Clinton can't sign anything either - and she's not able to entangle the US in a treaty in any event; that's not how it works.

The whole idea of a treaty to limit international sales of small firearms (transnational) wouldn't infringe on the US individual's right to buy firearms, particularly since the US right is guaranteed by the US Constitution and an international treaty can't abridge rights guaranteed by the US Constitution.

233 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:03:09am

re: #231 Gus

It's not about "gun owners" but arms traders. You would have to find the draft treaty.

You mean like "Fast and Furious" but on a worldwide scale?

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234 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:08:35am

re: #226 dragonfire1981

You also used to be able to get a job like that and afford a modest place to live and the basics to live on your own. I left high school and went to work at a Goodyear factory that made car and truck dashboards. At 19 I was able to afford a car,a little rental house and take care of myself. Until a "fire of unknown origin"burnt the place up and our jobs were shipped overseas. The place never reopened. That was the last really decent job I had where I could put in 40 hours a week and be ok. From there it was retail for the next 30 yrs. Had decent insurance,but the pay was a joke,40 hours became 36,benefits went away. Oh,and if you had any thoughts of paid vacation too bad for you. Kids leaving school now haven't got a shot at a 40 hr week job with benefits and enough money to be independant,sometimes even with college degrees.

235 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:09:38am

re: #221 dragonfire1981

Does anyone have a simple explanation of the U.S. Small Arms Treaty and what impact it would have on the U.S. as far as the access to information on gun owners?

I've been googling but the only stuff I can find is on right wing sites and those articles are more about UN scaremongering than details about the treaty.

Thanks in advance for the help here.

I have no proof but my general understanding is this involves international gun trade in small arms. Doesn't really effect American gun owners, only international arms dealers.

236 Gus  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:09:42am

re: #232 lawhawk

It can't affect anything since there's no treaty. Nothing has been agreed to by the international community, and there's nothing for the Senate to ratify, let alone the President to sign.

Sec. State Clinton can't sign anything either - and she's not able to entangle the US in a treaty in any event; that's not how it works.

The whole idea of a treaty to limit international sales of small firearms (transnational) wouldn't infringe on the US individual's right to buy firearms, particularly since the US right is guaranteed by the US Constitution and an international treaty can't abridge rights guaranteed by the US Constitution.

Yep. Everything within our borders would stay the same WRT national and state sovereignty. It's not like anyone can willy nilly start trading arms with foreign entities right now either. The treaty would likely never be ratified in congress regardless of whatever respect to in-border sovereignty it may contain. There's also the matter of, for example, arming rebels such as Libya that would affect the acceptance of this treaty.

237 Gus  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:11:42am

But if you say UN treaty some folks will just go bonkers. Doesn't even have to be a UN treaty. Conspiracy central. The UN is taking over and blah, blah, blah.

238 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:12:31am

Nobody cares about this, it's a total non-story, Romney's got nothing to prove...

Poll: 56 Percent Think Romney Should Release Tax Returns For Last 12 Years

...never mind.

239 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:14:40am

re: #234 A Mom Anon

That was the deal where I grew up in Gary: if you did not want to or could not afford to go to college, you could start working at the steel mills, after 20 years, you were earning a salary nearly comparable to a lot of college grads.

240 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:15:57am

re: #218 lawhawk

There's no peace process without partners in peace, and Israel continues to lack the very partner. Abbas is more than willing to limp along in his quasi state; Hamas is more than willing to continue its operations in Gaza as a quasi state. Neither is fully willing or capable of dealing with the other, and neither is going to make peace with Israel and relent on key issues like right of return or the status of Jerusalem.

Sounds like the time is ripe for a three state solution.

/

241 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:21:01am

re: #240 wrenchwench

Sounds like the time is ripe for a three state solution.

/

One nation for the Palestinian nuts, one for the Israeli nuts, and the larger third nation for those that just want to co-exist and get along?
/

242 Gus  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:22:03am

re: #241 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

One nation for the Palestinian nuts, one for the Israeli nuts, and the larger third nation for those that just want to co-exist and get along?
/

Tel Aviv

//

243 erik_t  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:22:22am

re: #241 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

One nation for the Palestinian nuts, one for the Israeli nuts, and the larger third nation for those that just want to co-exist and get along?
/

I think the real lesson here is that it's hard to come to an agreement if you can't hash it out over a twelve-pack of delicious adult beverage.

244 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:26:06am

re: #239 Expand Your Ground

That was the deal where I grew up in Gary: if you did not want to or could not afford to go to college, you could start working at the steel mills, after 20 years, you were earning a salary nearly comparable to a lot of college grads.

Unions had something to do with that last part, didn't it?

245 Gus  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:30:52am
246 danarchy  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:32:45am

re: #238 Targetpractice

Nobody cares about this, it's a total non-story, Romney's got nothing to prove...

Poll: 56 Percent Think Romney Should Release Tax Returns For Last 12 Years

...never mind.

Just to play Devils advocate, I think he SHOULD release his tax records, but frankly don't really care much one way or the other. If he did anything illegal I trust the IRS to deal with it, and if he didn't do anything illegal I don't need to see it. Just because people think he should release them, doesn't mean they think it is a huge issue.

247 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:33:26am

From the top:

And they’re struggling I think in a way because they’re surprised because when they voted for Barack Obama…he promised them that things were going to get a heck a lot of better. He promised hope and change and they’re still waiting.

Well, duh. They're waiters. Right now they're waiting on you and your guests. You're promising them that you'll remove regulations that require their bosses to pay them something below minimum wage now, and leave in place tax laws that assume a certain amount of tips and tax them on that regardless of the tipping habits of your cheap friends and self.

"I want to assure you that Mitt does not spend money frivolously," he said, after Romney had finished speaking. "Maybe some people have said he’s cheap, which is good. We’re spending money as intelligently as you can possibly do it. So every one of the dollars that you raise and you give, Mitt treats as a precious commodity for him."

That's from a previous fundraiser.

Romney spoke to a room of people sitting at round tables covered with white tablecloths. Waiters in white tuxedo jackets and black bow ties brought them fruit and yogurt parfaits.

At least they get to wear nice clothes at work.

248 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:33:36am

Actually it's not Romney himself (yet) but Sununu who goes the Full Crazy

249 Gus  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:36:45am

Looks like the Romney camp is executing the full metal wingnut maneuver:

250 Gus  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:37:00am

Concern troll sez you brought that upon yourselves.

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251 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:37:15am

Janet Porter Swears Off Google over Gay Rights Initiative

Earlier this month, Buster Wilson of the American Family Association weighed boycotting Google because of its new “Legalizing Love” campaign “to decriminalize homosexuality and eliminate homophobia around the world.” Today, Janet Porter of Faith2Action in her radio alert said that “While it may be next to impossible to avoid all of the social media that Google owns,” the “Legalize Love” initiative “is one more good reason to have your e-mail and conduct your searches with someone else.” In fairness, Porter should alert listeners to avoid Google rivals Apple, Microsoft and Yahoo for also favoring gay rights causes.

252 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:37:53am

re: #249 Gus

Looks like the Romney camp is executing the full metal wingnut maneuver:

[Embedded content]

Romney campaign today in a nutshell: "LOOK OVER THERE!"

253 Gus  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:38:17am

re: #252 Targetpractice

Romney campaign today in a nutshell: "LOOK OVER THERE!"

Look! A tree!

255 gwangung  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:42:36am

re: #254 Kragar

Rick Perry Asks Obama To Apologize For Holder’s ‘Poll Tax’ Comment

"Look! Over there! Outrage!"

That's really pathetic....

256 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:43:20am

re: #248 Learned Mother of Zion

Actually it's not Romney himself (yet) but Sununu who goes the Full Crazy

[Embedded content]

(h/t to the comments to your embed:)

wiki

Sununu was born in Havana, Cuba, the son of Victoria (née Dada) and John Saleh Sununu, an international film distributor.[1] He is of Palestinian Christian and Greek descent [2]. His father grew up in Jerusalem and his mother was born in San Salvador, El Salvador.[2][3] He is a Maronite Catholic.

Yeah I guess breathing non-American air means you can never be a Real American.

257 SmithCommaJohn  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:43:53am

re: #6 Varek Raith

If Obama let them down, then Romney's about to toss them off a cliff.
Metaphorically speaking.

Don't be so sure.

258 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:44:03am

re: #246 danarchy

Just to play Devils advocate, I think he SHOULD release his tax records, but frankly don't really care much one way or the other. If he did anything illegal I trust the IRS to deal with it, and if he didn't do anything illegal I don't need to see it. Just because people think he should release them, doesn't mean they think it is a huge issue.

There's this ongoing notion that there is some kind of smoking gun out there, some felony crime or felonious intent.

I don't think there is anything like that, there is just a lot of potential for embarrassment and a perceived conflict of interest between a carreer in business (self-service)and a career in politics (public service).

259 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:44:04am

Crazy Uncle Liberty rides again!

Ron Paul Calls On Romney To Release More Tax Returns

Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) tells Politico that he thinks Mitt Romney should release more of his tax returns:

“Politically, I think that would help him,” said the former presidential candidate. “In the scheme of things politically, you know, it looks like releasing tax returns is what the people want.”

Paul becomes the latest high-profile Republican to question Romney’s unreleased tax returns, joining the likes of GOP caucus chair Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX) and Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley.

260 dragonath  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:44:20am

By the way, here's how to become American:

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

"I am amazed at listening to President Obama and Vice President Biden attacking free enterprise in general, and their specific attacks on Bain," Sununu said. "The free enterprise system is the American way of life, and when you attack free enterprise you're attacking the American way of life."

261 ShaunP  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:45:39am

Anyone seen this email? LOL...

262 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:49:01am

re: #260 Fred Galt

By the way, here's how to become American:

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

According to Mitt, patriotism evidently consists of living in an actual French palace under a ministerial deferment while your less fortunate contemporaries are fighting and dying in Vietnam.

263 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:51:29am

It is not a matter of attacking Free Enterprise or those who profit from it. It is a matter of asking whether people whose whole career has been one of enriching themselves - especially when they do so at others' expense - is compatible with a career in public service.

264 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:55:40am

re: #262 Shiplord Kirel

According to Mitt, patriotism evidently consists of living in an actual French palace under a ministerial deferment while your less fortunate contemporaries are fighting and dying in Vietnam.

Well we did inherit Vietnam from the French, so maybe Mitt was just there trying to acquire intelligence. Alas, no intelligence was acquired by Mitt.

265 Gus  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:56:09am

Confederate hashtag trend of the day:

Derp.

266 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:58:58am

Well folks, Mitt would really release his tax records, but...

Romney ‘Simply Not Enthusiastic’ About Releasing More Tax Returns

MItt Romney isn’t wild about releasing any more tax returns because it would give Democrats and President Obama another opportunity to “distort” and “lie” about his record.

“In the political environment that exists today, the opposition research of the Obama campaign is looking for anything they can use to distract from the failure of the president to reignite our economy,” Romney said in an interview with the National Review Online. “And I’m simply not enthusiastic about giving them hundreds or thousands of more pages to pick through, distort, and lie about.”

267 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:59:59am

Now, I would not want to minimize the dangers Mitt faced during his service as a missionary in France. Teaching Mormonism to the wine, tobacco, and coffee loving French cannot be easy and it is not difficult to imagine a rude reception from time to time.
He also didn't live in the palace until his second year there, when he was president of the mission. He evidently shared the spartan accommodations of the lesser missionaries his first year. Even the latter were palatial compared to the average in-country hooch, though.

268 iossarian  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:02:15am

re: #266 Targetpractice

Well folks, Mitt would really release his tax records, but...

Romney ‘Simply Not Enthusiastic’ About Releasing More Tax Returns

Ha ha, even in trying to deflect he reminds us that his tax returns are thousands of pages long.

Um, Mitt, normal people have, like 5 to 10 pages.

269 erik_t  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:03:59am

re: #268 iossarian

Ha ha, even in trying to deflect he reminds us that his tax returns are thousands of pages long.

Um, Mitt, normal people have, like 5 to 10 pages.

He's just trying to save the trees. He thought you damned hippies cared about trees!

270 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:04:34am

re: #266 Targetpractice

Well folks, Mitt would really release his tax records, but...

Romney ‘Simply Not Enthusiastic’ About Releasing More Tax Returns

"And I’m simply not enthusiastic about giving them hundreds or thousands of more pages to pick through, distort, and lie about."

and he is even less enthusiastic about them simply presenting them for what they are...

This is the famous "I lied to you, honey, because I didn't want to upset you with the truth" gambit

271 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:05:56am

re: #267 Shiplord Kirel

I wonder if they laughed at his dessous Mormonique

272 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:06:02am

In the battle of "Explaining why I won't release Tax Returns" Versus "Explaining whats in the Tax Returns", Mitt must have chosen the course he decided would cause the least damage to his campaign.

273 Stanghazi  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:06:35am

re: #258 Expand Your Ground

There's this ongoing notion that there is some kind of smoking gun out there, some felony crime or felonious intent.

I don't think there is anything like that, there is just a lot of potential for embarrassment and a perceived conflict of interest between a carreer in business (self-service)and a career in politics (public service).

My theory is the returns are going to show he paid no taxes. Hubris to think he's not going to have to release them. His dad did.

274 iossarian  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:06:39am

I actually have a leaked copy of Romney's 2008 tax return.

Or at least I will when it finishes downloading!

** Current status, 0.2% of 1.73 TB - ETA March 2015 **

275 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:07:10am

re: #272 Kragar

In the battle of "Explaining why I won't release Tax Returns" Versus "Explaining whats in the Tax Returns", Mitt must have chosen the course he decided would cause the least damage to his campaign.

A choice he is very likely to regret after Obama's latest campaign ad.

276 dragonath  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:07:17am

Man, his returns must be the Love Canal of tax returns. It sure is nice of him to keep up the suspense though.

277 Gus  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:09:07am
278 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:10:10am

Whats in Mitt's Tax Returns?

The final resting place of Jimmy Hoffa?

The secret ingredients to Col Sanders chicken?

The location of Al Capone's other secret vault?

279 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:10:29am

OH NOES!

Zedushka will be heartbroken. We always ate there whenever we visited Toronto.

280 Gus  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:10:49am
281 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:11:12am

re: #278 Kragar

The Black Hole of Calcutta...

282 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:11:57am

re: #278 Kragar

Whats in Mitt's Tax Returns?

The final resting place of Jimmy Hoffa?

The secret ingredients to Col Sanders chicken?

The location of Al Capone's other secret vault?

He's a major shareholder in a Haliburton firm that manufactures fake Hawaiian birth certificates and thermite paint!

283 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:12:05am

Getting to be another ugly week for Mitt.

284 iossarian  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:12:08am

re: #278 Kragar

Whats in Mitt's Tax Returns?

The final resting place of Jimmy Hoffa?

The secret ingredients to Col Sanders chicken?

The location of Al Capone's other secret vault?

The exact barring of /that/ chord halfway through the intro to "Pinball Wizard".

285 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:13:00am

BBIAB

286 Gus  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:14:18am

Burn!

287 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:14:22am

re: #284 iossarian

The exact barring of /that/ chord halfway through the intro to "Pinball Wizard".

I know that one and I will take it to my grave.

288 Gus  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:15:33am
289 iossarian  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:16:34am

re: #287 RayFerd

I know that one and I will take it to my grave.

You should never have confessed. I will track you over land and sea. YOUR SECRET WILL BE MINE.

/actually my geetar-totin' friend assures me that it's not all that odd a chord, it's more to do with the recording/production

290 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:16:42am

Mitt's a train wreck of a candidate.

291 erik_t  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:18:02am

re: #290 HappyWarrior

Mitt's a train wreck of a candidate.

More of a limo wreck. Trains are for the unwashed masses.

292 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:18:06am

re: #278 Kragar

Whats in Mitt's Tax Returns?

The final resting place of Jimmy Hoffa?

The secret ingredients to Col Sanders chicken?

The location of Al Capone's other secret vault?

The location of the Ark of the Covenant.

293 dragonath  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:18:18am

I can't tell if McCain's being vindictive or senile anymore.

Or both.

294 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:18:23am

re: #289 iossarian

You should never have confessed. I will track you over land and sea. YOUR SECRET WILL BE MINE.

/actually my geetar-totin' friend assures me that it's not all that odd a chord, it's more to do with the recording/production

A m7-5 / E

Just to save my ass :-)

295 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:19:03am

re: #286 Gus

Burn!

[Embedded content]

Obama is running rings around these guys. They absolutely do not understand that their shoot-from-the-hip responses are exactly what Team Obama wants them to put out there...

296 Gus  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:19:12am

It's spreading. McCain saying that Palin was the better VP candidate than Romney back in 2008. That's kind of a double or triple whammy. That Palin would be better is even laughable.

Meet the new Republican Party. Crazy as it ever was.

297 iossarian  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:21:23am

re: #294 RayFerd

A m7-5 / E

Just to save my ass :-)

One day someone's going to be looking for that chord via google and they're going to instead find a very interesting conversation about a guy who ran for president but lost because it turned out he'd been dodging taxes and investing money in countries that were threatening to nuke Israel.

298 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:21:50am

re: #258 Expand Your Ground

There's this ongoing notion that there is some kind of smoking gun out there, some felony crime or felonious intent.

I don't think there is anything like that, there is just a lot of potential for embarrassment and a perceived conflict of interest between a carreer in business (self-service)and a career in politics (public service).

This. It all looks shabby, and gets even shabbier, but...it's mostly just embarrassing. Which can be plenty, in politics.

299 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:24:35am

re: #298 SanFranciscoZionist

This. It all looks shabby, and gets even shabbier, but...it's mostly just embarrassing. Which can be plenty, in politics.

"Cover-up is worse than the crime" is the mantra, even when there's no crime. Romney just gives the illusion that he has something to hide, which is enough to get people talking.

300 erik_t  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:24:44am

re: #298 SanFranciscoZionist

This. It all looks shabby, and gets even shabbier, but...it's mostly just embarrassing. Which can be plenty, in politics.

It simply reinforces the perception of Romney's perpetual lack of ability or desire to defend himself from potentially unpopular decisions or statements. He is a walking glass house.

301 iossarian  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:25:55am

re: #300 erik_t

It simply reinforces the perception of Romney's perpetual lack of ability or desire to defend himself from potentially unpopular decisions or statements. He is a walking glass house.

Right, that's the meta-narrative that this is really driving: he can't take responsibility for anything. It's always, "I wasn't there, wasn't my decision, I just took the money."

Great qualities for a president. Not.

302 iossarian  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:26:51am

re: #301 iossarian

Right, that's the meta-narrative that this is really driving: he can't take responsibility for anything. It's always, "I wasn't there, wasn't my decision, I just took the money."

Forgot the other burgeoning Romney classic: "If you only understood how things really work, you'd agree with me."

303 Mattand  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:27:15am

re: #284 iossarian

The exact barring of /that/ chord halfway through the intro to "Pinball Wizard".

re: #294 RayFerd

I didn't think there were any barres in "Pinball Wizard's" intro. Not the way I play it, at any rate. I picked up my version from a copy of the long-defunct, much missed "Guitar for the Practicing Musician."

304 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:28:09am

re: #280 Gus

[Embedded content]

I should be foaming at the mouth, but all I can think of is the episode of "Big Bang Theory" where Sheldon wants to create peace in the Middle East by recreating Israel in the Sonoran Desert.

"If there were a scale replica of the Wailing Wall that was also within easy access of cheap prescription medications and good tacos, could you wail at it?"

"Go away."

305 celticdragon  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:29:42am

re: #95 Expand Your Ground

I somehow think that in an ideal Romney world, the entire US workforce lines up outise the office building like migrants outside a Home Depot. A manager comes and calls for six accountants, three enginers and two IT people, and hires them by the day for eight bucks an hour...

When I worked as a "temp" aircraft mechanic contractor in Mobile, Alabama at STA, the president bitched about how much he was having to pay the workers (who on average were getting about 12 an hour, by far the lowest average in the industry. Contractors got around 18 an hour...still pretty damned low since we had to pay our hotel and food bills out of that, but it pissed off the permanent employees who knew they were getting fucked.)

He openly suggested canning all of the mechanics and hiring a bunch of rent-a-bums for 8 bucks an hour to turn wrenches on customer aircraft (like United 737 and 747 passenger jets)

I half hoped he would actually do it...just to see how fast United and US Airways broke their contracts and ran as fast as they could.

306 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:30:21am

re: #302 iossarian

Forgot the other burgeoning Romney classic: "If you only understood how things really work, you'd agree with me."

Which is a desperately dangerous one.

First, Americans don't like being told other people know shit they don't. We're not impressed, we just feel condescended to.

Second, most people do, at least vaguely, understand how things really work, and it pisses them off.

Romney is deviating from the fantasy that huge buckets of money come to those who work for it, and cracking a door into the reality that huge buckets of money mostly come to those who start with huge buckets of money. This is a BAD idea, politically speaking.

307 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:32:15am

re: #304 SanFranciscoZionist

I should be foaming at the mouth, but all I can think of is the episode of "Big Bang Theory" where Sheldon wants to create peace in the Middle East by recreating Israel in the Sonoran Desert.

"If there were a scale replica of the Wailing Wall that was also within easy access of cheap prescription medications and good tacos, could you wail at it?"

"Go away."

I'll probably get to screaming anger within a few hours.

308 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:33:10am

re: #280 Gus

What the heck are they thinking. Do they really think that expropriating the holiest site in Judaism and remnant of the Holy Temple is going to do them any favors? Who are they appealing to with that stunt?

309 iossarian  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:33:49am

re: #308 lawhawk

What the heck are they thinking. Do they really think that expropriating the holiest site in Judaism and remnant of the Holy Temple is going to do them any favors? Who are they appealing to with that stunt?

"Judeo-Christians".

310 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:34:39am

re: #304 SanFranciscoZionist

I should be foaming at the mouth, but all I can think of is the episode of "Big Bang Theory" where Sheldon wants to create peace in the Middle East by recreating Israel in the Sonoran Desert.

"If there were a scale replica of the Wailing Wall that was also within easy access of cheap prescription medications and good tacos, could you wail at it?"

"Go away."

I don't know what's stupider, this, or Sarah Silverman thinking that she's so hot Sheldon Adelson will switch party affiliation just for some sex acts with her.

311 iossarian  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:38:27am

re: #310 Learned Mother of Zion

I don't know what's stupider, this, or Sarah Silverman thinking that she's so hot Sheldon Adelson will switch party affiliation just for some sex acts with her.

This made me lol.

312 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:42:39am

re: #308 lawhawk

What the heck are they thinking. Do they really think that expropriating the holiest site in Judaism and remnant of the Holy Temple is going to do them any favors? Who are they appealing to with that stunt?

My guess is that pro-life activists in Wichita do not know many Jews, and have never been told that cultural appropriation sometimes offends people, or if they were, they forgot. Most of them are probably from a religious background which wholeheartedly considers itself to be obvious and unchallenged inheritor of all Biblical inheritables.

What I'm not entirely clear on is what the symbolism is supposed to be, here.

313 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:43:09am

re: #303 Mattand

re: #294 RayFerd

I didn't think there were any barres in "Pinball Wizard's" intro. Not the way I play it, at any rate. I picked up my version from a copy of the long-defunct, much missed "Guitar for the Practicing Musician."

Yeah, that chord I gave wasn't a bar either. Just more of a transition, almost discord, I used to get to the G at the ending of the progression. It does have a cute ring (the high E string part of the chord) to it in the descending progression that I liked.

314 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:43:12am

re: #310 Learned Mother of Zion

I don't know what's stupider, this, or Sarah Silverman thinking that she's so hot Sheldon Adelson will switch party affiliation just for some sex acts with her.

She is pretty hot, but I think Sheldon, if he were into that sort of thing, could probably pay much less for just as hot.

315 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:49:31am

re: #314 SanFranciscoZionist

She is pretty hot, but I think Sheldon, if he were into that sort of thing, could probably pay much less for just as hot.

This stunt made me cringe. I remember her stunt from 2008, in which she urged everyone to make "The Great Shlep" to Florida to convince their grandparents to vote for Obama, by threatening them, calling them racists. At that time she made several skits making fun of people with Alzheimer's. Alzmeimer's is just freakin' hilarious, like cancer!

Now her shtick is degrading herself by offering herself as a prostitute. She's only making fun of herself here, but it gives me a sad not a funny.

316 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 11:03:59am

re: #280 Gus

[Embedded content]

From the article:

The plan calls for construction of an elaborate replica of the Western or "Wailing Wall" in Jerusalem, with the addition of 60 Christian crosses symbolizing "60 million abortions" that have allegedly occurred in the United States since 1973.

*blinking* Wuuut?

317 Patricia Kayden  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:45:21pm

Has Romney ever explained what he'll do for the middle class? Lowering taxes for the "job creators", getting rid of business regulations and repealing "Obamacare" doesn't sound like a winning recipe.

I guess if he wins, the Congressional Republicans will cooperate with him on the economy, which is the only positive thing I can see about a Romney White House.


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